Ali Dawah - April 10, 2020


WHO IS GOD & DO ANIMALS HAVE SOULS？ - SIKH & MUSLIM


Episode Stats

Length

16 minutes

Words per Minute

222.14806

Word Count

3,661

Sentence Count

404

Misogynist Sentences

3

Hate Speech Sentences

12


Summary

In this episode, we talk about the difference between the souls of the animals and the angels, and how they differ from our own souls. We also talk about halal vs. non-halal meat and why halal meat is not allowed to be killed.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 In Sikki, the souls of the animals is similar to the souls of the human.
00:00:06.040 So the difference between me and God is I have to be here to hear this conversation.
00:00:09.580 He doesn't.
00:00:11.140 Yeah, because you're explaining that he doesn't have to be anywhere,
00:00:13.180 but we're saying he's everywhere and anywhere, but he's not at one point either.
00:00:16.860 He's everywhere and anywhere.
00:00:18.040 It's true that if you stun the halal meat, it's not halal anymore.
00:00:20.560 Yeah, because in this country they stun the meat, don't they?
00:00:22.440 Yeah, because they kill it.
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00:00:36.900 Here's the, in Sikki, the souls of the animals is similar to the souls of the human.
00:00:43.180 Okay.
00:00:43.480 It's like a, what do you call it, brief way of saying it, right?
00:00:47.180 Yeah.
00:00:47.600 In Islam, is that similar or not?
00:00:50.380 And why?
00:00:50.860 Not why, but generally.
00:00:52.880 We don't believe it's, I don't think we believe,
00:00:56.440 do they have souls?
00:00:58.080 Yes.
00:00:58.380 Are they souls like ours?
00:00:59.400 No.
00:01:00.280 Because we have free will.
00:01:02.300 So for example, you have the angels,
00:01:04.160 you have the humans and you have the animals.
00:01:06.300 Yeah.
00:01:06.720 The animals react based on instinct.
00:01:10.120 Instinct.
00:01:11.520 Angels do as they're told.
00:01:12.900 They have no free will.
00:01:15.140 What we believe makes us different and unique
00:01:17.400 is that we are, we can be better than the angels or worse than the animals.
00:01:20.800 If we act on our desires, I want this, I want that.
00:01:23.320 What's the difference between you and an animal?
00:01:24.340 The animal does the same thing.
00:01:25.100 If you want to be better than the angels,
00:01:27.000 then you obey God based on,
00:01:29.060 not because you have no free will and you're forced to like the angels,
00:01:32.320 but because you want to.
00:01:34.220 So with us, animals are different.
00:01:36.780 They don't have a free will.
00:01:38.080 Do you get it?
00:01:39.200 In that context.
00:01:40.360 So they act on instinct.
00:01:41.500 So in that context, animals have great rights.
00:01:43.940 You can't abuse an animal.
00:01:45.120 We have hadith from Banu Israel, from the children of Israel.
00:01:49.060 There's certain things that we take from their sayings.
00:01:51.140 There was a woman who helped, she was a prostitute.
00:01:53.680 She would commit a sin, but she helped the dog by getting her shoe and putting it down the wheel and fed the dog.
00:01:59.700 And she, her sin was forgiven.
00:02:01.440 And then we know of a woman who tortured a cat and she was doomed to the hellfire.
00:02:05.160 So you are not allowed to harm animals.
00:02:07.860 So their souls feel pain?
00:02:09.580 Well, it's not a matter of if they feel pain or not, but you're not allowed to make them suffer.
00:02:13.080 Of course they feel pain, but you shouldn't make them suffer for no reason.
00:02:16.180 Even when it comes to sorting an animal, it has to be done in a specific way.
00:02:20.660 You have to be gentle, close their eyes, don't sharpen your knife so that it's immediate death.
00:02:25.080 Other animals don't see it, you know, it has to be, you know.
00:02:29.760 What about in seetism, how does it work for a certain animal?
00:02:33.500 It's a slow jatka.
00:02:34.860 If you get a sharp sore, you'll behead it really quickly.
00:02:38.360 So it's from the neck, straight?
00:02:40.160 From the neck top.
00:02:40.880 Okay, with us we do it there.
00:02:42.800 Which seems a lot slower.
00:02:44.300 I've seen videos on it, it's a lot slower because you've got to drain the blood out.
00:02:46.380 Which seems a lot slower there.
00:02:47.200 But the thing is, what it is, is both of them, the jugular vein is gone.
00:02:50.860 With you guys, one, the spine is gone as well.
00:02:52.940 Yeah, us is quicker.
00:02:53.400 Yeah, with us, for example, it's like, if you, because the jugular vein, as long as the jugular vein is cut, that's it.
00:02:59.660 Do you get it?
00:03:00.000 Yeah.
00:03:00.500 So, yeah, from that aspect, it's like that.
00:03:05.240 But like we know, as soon as the blood and the oxygen doesn't go to the brain, you're gone.
00:03:09.640 Yeah.
00:03:10.240 Is it true that if you stun the halal meat, it's not halal anymore?
00:03:12.800 Yeah, because in this country they stun the meat, don't they?
00:03:14.680 Yeah, they say if you stun it.
00:03:17.620 And the animal dies, you're not allowed to eat dead animals if they're not slaughtered.
00:03:23.040 So they have a different opinion of...
00:03:24.740 Okay, apply to this time because the technology stunt did not exist.
00:03:27.900 No, no, yeah, but the thing is, if you're stunning it to death, you can't eat the animal.
00:03:31.540 Yeah, right.
00:03:32.120 But if you're stunning it and it's not dead, it's still alive, there's a different opinion where it says, okay, you cut the throat while it's still alive, but it's stunted.
00:03:39.180 So how do you think Islam, so do you think Islam can be applied to the modern world we live in?
00:03:44.780 Because times are very much different.
00:03:45.800 Yeah, yeah, no, definitely.
00:03:46.600 Because at the end of the day, it depends what we're living in.
00:03:50.460 If we're living in times of where certain things are okay, but just because they're made okay doesn't mean it's okay.
00:03:55.400 You know, do you get it?
00:03:56.520 Like, for example, I don't know, certain things.
00:03:58.500 So Islam is there for all times.
00:04:00.600 It's not for their specific times.
00:04:01.940 It's just our subjective things have changed, our perception, our morals have changed.
00:04:06.860 So that's why we look at Islam as something abnormal.
00:04:09.080 It's not abnormal.
00:04:09.980 We have become abnormal.
00:04:10.820 Do you think Islam is the final religion around?
00:04:16.360 We believe that.
00:04:17.000 We believe it's the final religion around.
00:04:18.280 What evidence is to say you're the final one?
00:04:20.040 Because I'm sure, you go back to my first question, really.
00:04:23.360 Yeah.
00:04:23.560 You said there's some revelations that have happened.
00:04:26.320 It's not been a revelation that said...
00:04:29.360 Is that...
00:04:30.360 Islam explicitly says that the prophet is the final messenger.
00:04:34.300 Any evidence about it that he's the final messenger?
00:04:36.320 And not just him claiming he's the final messenger.
00:04:38.480 Sorry to offend you.
00:04:39.100 Say that again?
00:04:39.580 Is there any evidence about it that your prophet is the definite final messenger?
00:04:42.260 No, no, no.
00:04:42.520 Of course.
00:04:42.960 That's what I said.
00:04:43.980 We don't...
00:04:44.560 We start at the beginning.
00:04:44.900 Yeah, you talk at the beginning.
00:04:45.520 Yeah, yeah.
00:04:45.880 There's many reasons.
00:04:47.380 So we look at his character, who he was.
00:04:49.980 We look at what he came down with.
00:04:52.300 We look at his prophecies.
00:04:54.080 Yeah?
00:04:54.540 So we access all of this stuff.
00:04:57.200 Because we can't just believe any topic.
00:04:58.760 I'm a prophet.
00:04:59.600 Oh, okay.
00:05:00.140 But everyone's a prophet.
00:05:01.240 Yeah.
00:05:01.700 Do you get it?
00:05:02.300 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:05:02.520 So there's stuff that he's come with.
00:05:04.880 We observe his character.
00:05:06.860 The revelation that he's come with, that was given to him.
00:05:10.300 And the people that followed him.
00:05:12.020 Yeah.
00:05:12.260 The prophecies that he made.
00:05:13.980 The predictions that he made.
00:05:15.600 So all of this is assessed.
00:05:17.800 And if this is assessed, and we don't find any flaws in it,
00:05:22.240 the question that needs to be asked is, okay, what else can this be?
00:05:24.880 Is he a man, for example?
00:05:26.140 If he was a man who was a liar, the pagan Arabs offered him everything.
00:05:30.540 We'll give you money.
00:05:31.420 We'll give you a woman.
00:05:32.480 We'll give you whatever you like.
00:05:34.400 Stop your message.
00:05:35.520 Did he state he was the final message of life?
00:05:37.520 Yeah, of course.
00:05:38.060 He has the final message of life.
00:05:38.740 Well, that's what we say.
00:05:39.460 The prophet is the final message of life.
00:05:41.080 And did he perform miracles or not?
00:05:43.120 I can't get my head around miracles personally.
00:05:45.600 Yeah, he did.
00:05:46.460 Would that make him divine then?
00:05:47.540 He'd teach him to perform miracles.
00:05:49.220 Okay.
00:05:49.540 No, he wouldn't.
00:05:50.160 See, that's the thing.
00:05:50.960 Because I don't think it was divine.
00:05:52.140 I didn't realize the power of God.
00:05:52.980 No, that's good.
00:05:54.120 That's good.
00:05:54.440 That's what Islam is.
00:05:55.460 We don't believe that divinity belongs to anyone except God Almighty.
00:05:58.560 So, the thing is that miracles are done via the permission of God.
00:06:03.580 No prophet comes and says, oh, here you go.
00:06:05.000 That's a miracle.
00:06:05.540 It's done with the permission of God.
00:06:07.000 This is where Christians went astray because they'll see Jesus do miracles.
00:06:10.940 They'll be like, oh, that's God.
00:06:12.380 He's God.
00:06:12.820 He must be God.
00:06:13.420 But we're saying, well, Moses parted the sea.
00:06:17.100 Different prophets are different miracles.
00:06:18.860 They do it with the permission of God.
00:06:20.840 Why is it that Jesus all of a sudden does it himself?
00:06:23.480 So, that's why we say that miracles, for example, we believe the biggest miracle is the Quran.
00:06:30.660 The Quran is a living miracle where you can analyze it.
00:06:33.280 You can see.
00:06:34.320 Do you get it?
00:06:35.060 If it's not from God, you'll find errors, contradictions.
00:06:38.200 So, the Quran is itself something that you can test.
00:06:40.620 But if a Christian comes to an atheist, the atheist is going to say, how can I test that Jesus did this and this?
00:06:45.500 How do I know?
00:06:46.180 I wasn't there.
00:06:47.280 But with the Quran, it's here.
00:06:48.480 Test it.
00:06:49.620 There's some tests that we can't perform.
00:06:52.000 Well, yes.
00:06:52.480 So, for example, if you're not an Arabic-speaking person, you're not going to be able to meet the challenge of bringing something like it because you don't speak Arabic.
00:06:57.780 Like you said, there's some things that we debate about free will that we can never test ourselves.
00:07:01.660 Well, of course.
00:07:02.200 Without free will, it goes back to the attribute of God.
00:07:04.480 So, do you not admit that there's some still blind people?
00:07:07.540 No, no, no.
00:07:08.080 Of course, of course.
00:07:08.900 Because if it's absolute blind faith, that's wrong.
00:07:12.040 But if there's a certain question that's being answered, a lot of them are being answered.
00:07:16.180 And there's certain elements where this is actually, like, if you know everything about God, if God knows everything, and you want to know everything God knows, then what's the difference between you and God?
00:07:27.520 Do you get it?
00:07:27.900 So, there's things that you should know.
00:07:31.120 But if someone comes and says, yeah, faith, faith, faith, flipping out, the whole religion is faith.
00:07:34.200 Is there nothing?
00:07:34.860 Do you get it?
00:07:35.160 But Islam says no.
00:07:36.280 That's what Allah says in the Quran.
00:07:37.280 Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth, and in the alternation of the night and day, there are signs for those who think.
00:07:50.220 So, Allah is saying, use your intellect, look around, yeah?
00:07:53.120 In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and in the alternation of the night and day, there are signs for those who think.
00:07:57.620 So, God is not telling you blind faith, yes, I believe.
00:08:00.400 Ask questions.
00:08:01.360 But there's certain things that you're not going to know, that are unseen.
00:08:03.840 Do you not claim that Islam has the whole truth?
00:08:05.480 No, no, no, we claim Islam has the absolute truth, but what we're saying is, if you're, no, no, no, but there's certain truths that you're not aware of, which can be that, for example, where is God?
00:08:16.280 So, is that a question that makes Islam false if I don't answer it?
00:08:19.140 No, it's the attribute of God.
00:08:21.120 What's, what's, what's, what's, we don't believe that.
00:08:24.240 We don't, we don't, we believe his knowledge is everywhere, but we don't believe he is everywhere.
00:08:28.440 We think his knowledge is part of his properties, therefore it's part of his, yeah, of course, but he doesn't need to be here to know.
00:08:35.780 This discussion, so Allah says in the Quran, that if there's two of you, he's the third.
00:08:40.180 If there's three of you, there's the fourth.
00:08:42.240 Meaning that he knows what we're talking about.
00:08:45.240 He knows everything that's happening.
00:08:47.640 Atoms.
00:08:48.880 He knows, but he doesn't need to be here to know that.
00:08:51.020 His power is that, he doesn't require, I have to be here to hear.
00:08:53.940 He doesn't need to be here to hear.
00:08:55.160 What we do is that we think he's everywhere.
00:08:57.160 We think it's causing everything to happen.
00:08:58.780 Yeah, we say he can do that without being here.
00:09:01.380 He can cause that without being here.
00:09:03.780 He can, he can say, you know what?
00:09:05.700 Like everything, anything that the most smallest, he's aware.
00:09:09.780 He doesn't need to be here.
00:09:11.020 I have to.
00:09:12.380 So the difference between me and God is I have to be here to hear this conversation.
00:09:16.000 He doesn't.
00:09:16.420 Yeah, because you're explaining that he doesn't have to be anywhere, but we're saying he's
00:09:20.180 everywhere and anywhere, but he's not at one point either.
00:09:23.280 He's everywhere and anywhere.
00:09:24.460 Exactly.
00:09:24.880 Do you get it?
00:09:25.080 But what we're saying is that we believe.
00:09:27.280 Mathematically.
00:09:27.660 It's easy to explain.
00:09:28.080 Mathematically.
00:09:28.400 Yeah, but we're saying that he doesn't require, if we say he needs to be everywhere or he is
00:09:33.680 everything, then I'm going to say, for example, in toilet.
00:09:36.380 Is God in toilet?
00:09:37.820 Well, like, it's God's manifest.
00:09:40.360 It's hard to explain really.
00:09:41.520 Yeah, yeah.
00:09:42.020 I'm still not trying to get my answer.
00:09:43.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:09:43.240 But we're coming from, we're saying that.
00:09:44.540 Your view, Allah, it's not going to be able to explain that.
00:09:47.960 My view, God can't explain that.
00:09:49.320 Yeah, yeah.
00:09:50.140 So, yeah, with us, it's like, we don't believe, okay, there's dirty place on earth.
00:09:53.420 Is God there?
00:09:54.080 Is he there?
00:09:54.740 So we just say, we believe the way we praise him and glorify him is to acknowledge that he's
00:10:00.960 aware of everything, but he's not in the creation.
00:10:04.160 He's out of the creation.
00:10:04.920 Yeah, okay, he's part of his creation.
00:10:05.420 Yeah.
00:10:08.880 That's the thing I'll talk to him about, like, our ideas of God are still pretty different.
00:10:12.160 Like, we believe God's everywhere and within everything.
00:10:15.020 We don't believe everything has God's power within us.
00:10:17.460 I could be correct if I'm wrong here, from Sikhs, but.
00:10:19.300 Yeah.
00:10:19.800 But the thing is, like, what would I say is, is that there's, there's, there's, we should
00:10:25.260 come to a common agreement wherever the truth is.
00:10:28.920 So, I would say, does God need to be everywhere to know things?
00:10:34.700 Does God have to be here?
00:10:35.940 Is this God, like, does this need to be God?
00:10:39.040 Do you get it?
00:10:39.440 Why?
00:10:39.720 Assuming God, like, needs to.
00:10:41.560 So, that's really where they're putting it.
00:10:42.960 That makes sense.
00:10:43.660 From my point of view, that's assuming that God needs to, has the concept of knowledge
00:10:47.500 we do.
00:10:48.580 God could just have a different concept of knowledge.
00:10:50.900 We do.
00:10:51.460 Exactly.
00:10:52.120 Well, exactly.
00:10:52.680 But does he need to be in the creation?
00:10:54.460 That's what we say.
00:10:55.040 We don't believe.
00:10:55.880 Because we think he is the creation.
00:10:57.260 That's the difference.
00:10:57.800 But if he's the creation, then the creation had a beginning.
00:10:59.800 Are you going to record it?
00:11:00.860 I'll just sit properly.
00:11:01.740 Do you get it?
00:11:02.400 The creation had a beginning.
00:11:03.740 We believe God didn't have a beginning.
00:11:05.280 But then you get the whole idea where God had the beginning.
00:11:07.100 Like you said, you get the infinite loop of God.
00:11:08.500 You get the infinite loop of God.
00:11:09.300 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:11:11.560 If he's in the creation, is God infinite or finite?
00:11:16.060 We believe he's infinite.
00:11:17.740 If he's infinite, then he can never be in the finite.
00:11:20.740 It wouldn't.
00:11:21.580 Imagine if...
00:11:21.940 Your idea of infinity is really confusing.
00:11:23.580 Well, infinite is no beginning or no end.
00:11:26.840 Depends on your defining.
00:11:27.920 No beginning or end.
00:11:29.040 Because you can find zero and keep going forever.
00:11:30.700 That's what you're infinite.
00:11:31.100 No, no, no.
00:11:31.540 But what we're saying is there was no beginning and there was no end.
00:11:33.680 There was not a point of beginning.
00:11:34.920 There was not a point of end.
00:11:36.680 We sort of say that he was timeless, a god, a terror.
00:11:40.240 Yeah, yeah.
00:11:40.580 But the universe came about from the beginning.
00:11:43.260 Yeah, exactly.
00:11:44.100 That's what we're saying.
00:11:44.460 Is he still a part of the creation of the universe?
00:11:46.400 No, no, no.
00:11:47.000 He gave rise to the universe.
00:11:48.520 Yeah, you think he's a part of it.
00:11:48.900 But he's not a part of it.
00:11:50.980 Yeah, we differ on that.
00:11:51.700 Yeah, exactly.
00:11:52.460 So what we're saying is that he's not a part of it because he gave rise to something.
00:11:55.660 So how can he be a part of something that he gave rise to?
00:11:58.380 Because he's infinite.
00:11:59.200 The universe is finite.
00:12:00.080 It was given rise to.
00:12:00.920 So then how can that finite thing be a part of it when it's infinite?
00:12:05.140 Infinite things can become finite.
00:12:07.360 How?
00:12:07.800 It's really great to think of mathematics.
00:12:09.620 It's like when you take limits of functions.
00:12:13.280 It's a finite.
00:12:14.560 You get infinitely close to something and you eventually close to something that's finite.
00:12:18.640 It's a mathematical concept.
00:12:19.560 I think math is...
00:12:20.520 There's something called potential infinite.
00:12:22.900 But it's not infinite.
00:12:24.120 Because I believe math is the only real truth in the world.
00:12:26.480 Not really, because math is an abstract thing.
00:12:30.620 It's not something...
00:12:31.020 You can't have mathematics.
00:12:32.460 It's something that is abstract.
00:12:34.380 It's a necessary fact.
00:12:37.180 Yeah.
00:12:37.880 Do you get it?
00:12:38.300 But it's not a necessary being.
00:12:40.940 Do you get it?
00:12:41.340 So we use math...
00:12:41.940 There's only thing that can be proved true, though, in my opinion.
00:12:44.820 You agree.
00:12:45.540 But how could math, for example, in mathematics,
00:12:49.560 you can say, oh, there's infinite pi.
00:12:52.780 But in the real world, does that exist?
00:12:54.580 No.
00:12:54.960 It depends on your view, math.
00:12:55.960 Do you think math is a part of nature?
00:12:58.180 No, no, no.
00:12:58.880 It's something that's abstract.
00:13:00.200 It's not something that we can empirically see.
00:13:02.280 It's something that we use to measure.
00:13:05.080 It's a tool.
00:13:05.940 However, there is certain things that, for example...
00:13:08.900 I believe in both.
00:13:09.740 It's a part of nature.
00:13:10.680 Can zero...
00:13:11.440 Zero, mathematically, can zero give rise to one?
00:13:15.060 Zero plus zero.
00:13:16.700 Can zero plus zero ever be one?
00:13:18.180 Yeah, that's what we know.
00:13:19.160 It's not everything that we know.
00:13:20.120 Exactly.
00:13:20.620 So then there is certain laws, even in mathematics.
00:13:23.240 Zero meaning nothing can give rise to one.
00:13:25.960 Zero is...
00:13:26.560 It depends on each one.
00:13:27.260 Zero is being nothing.
00:13:28.140 It could be a place other.
00:13:29.160 What I'm trying to say is, in my personal views,
00:13:31.520 I think math is both a way of humans describing nature,
00:13:34.740 but also the way nature functions and works.
00:13:38.740 I think it's the only universal truth out there
00:13:40.520 that we can all agree on.
00:13:41.760 Because when you prove math is true,
00:13:43.360 it's true forever.
00:13:44.520 No, no, of course.
00:13:45.540 That's why there are truths in maths.
00:13:48.260 Zero can never equal one.
00:13:50.220 Infinite can never be finite.
00:13:53.120 Mathematically, it's finite, yeah.
00:13:54.500 And infinite doesn't exist in the real world.
00:13:56.380 In mathematics, it doesn't exist.
00:13:57.720 It doesn't exist in the real world.
00:13:58.580 Not really.
00:13:59.480 It's really close.
00:14:00.680 No, but see, that's the thing, infinitely close.
00:14:02.400 That's not infinite.
00:14:02.960 Because infinite is not a quantity.
00:14:04.800 But I'm trying to say infinite...
00:14:05.520 It's a concept.
00:14:06.680 Well, yeah, there you go.
00:14:07.540 So that's why it's a real concept.
00:14:09.640 Is your idea of infinity take away two
00:14:11.480 with still technically infinity if you...
00:14:13.020 Not really, because if you take away from infinite,
00:14:15.000 it's not infinite anymore.
00:14:15.680 If you add to infinite, it's not infinite anymore.
00:14:17.240 No, infinite is going forever,
00:14:18.560 so there's no concept of additional.
00:14:19.900 Yeah.
00:14:20.420 But that's my point.
00:14:21.760 So if infinite has no beginning or end,
00:14:23.740 you can't add or take away from it.
00:14:25.540 So we believe God is eternal.
00:14:27.660 We believe we're thinking about math and infinity.
00:14:29.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:14:29.500 Hurt your head.
00:14:30.040 Yeah, so the thing is,
00:14:30.900 we're just saying that we just believe God is eternal.
00:14:33.040 There is nothing like it,
00:14:33.840 and he cannot be finite.
00:14:35.580 Because he goes against his whole essence.
00:14:37.360 Yeah, we say God is infinite as well.
00:14:38.640 We can believe he can manifest that
00:14:40.140 and find out for what he chooses to.
00:14:41.920 Because you have infinite time,
00:14:42.860 you have finite subsets of that time.
00:14:44.980 Sort of, technically, mathematically speaking.
00:14:47.200 No, it's...
00:14:47.820 Because I heavily think math is the only truth.
00:14:50.700 That's my personal views.
00:14:51.880 No, no, I respect that, but...
00:14:52.940 That's not a secret.
00:14:53.660 That's just my teacher's comments.
00:14:55.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:14:55.320 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:14:55.500 Yeah, we just,
00:14:57.900 we can't equate our reality to God's reality.
00:15:00.380 Like, we live in time.
00:15:01.280 God is bound to time.
00:15:02.540 Because I think God communicates to us to math,
00:15:04.680 because that makes the most sense to me.
00:15:05.960 Well, of course, mathematics tells us order,
00:15:07.600 it shows us pattern.
00:15:08.440 It tells us some mathematical pattern in the Quran.
00:15:10.020 My friend keeps telling me about that.
00:15:11.000 Well, you can't, I would say it's a bit...
00:15:14.280 Yeah, it's like people just finding things
00:15:15.580 that it's not really there.
00:15:17.020 Yeah, so the thing is,
00:15:17.800 it's a bit stretching it.
00:15:18.640 So, but the thing is,
00:15:19.480 it's like mathematics is used,
00:15:20.900 we see it at the order in the universe.
00:15:23.060 It helps us to understand God.
00:15:25.200 It understands us to show the magnificence of God.
00:15:27.480 Do you get it?
00:15:28.120 And then we say God is so magnificent,
00:15:29.540 He's eternal,
00:15:30.100 that He cannot be in His creation.
00:15:31.740 We see He's eternal,
00:15:33.740 but He can be a power of His creation,
00:15:34.760 because He's a creation.
00:15:35.440 Yeah, and I think that's really different.
00:15:36.580 Yeah, that's probably a big thing.
00:15:37.720 But we agree with the disagree.
00:15:39.980 Yeah, we agree with the disagree.
00:15:41.540 Also, I learned that Islam was very spiritual.
00:15:44.200 There is, there is, there is spirituality.
00:15:46.060 But I have a change shifted.
00:15:47.460 Yeah, yeah, yeah, there is.
00:15:48.560 But I listen to a lot,
00:15:49.160 so some people...
00:15:49.820 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:15:51.020 Oh, is it?
00:15:52.320 Maybe put jump in the stuff.
00:15:53.420 Oh, that's cool.
00:15:53.880 That's good, man.
00:16:01.440 You should have to be spiritual.
00:16:03.260 Any more questions?
00:16:04.480 Not really.
00:16:06.060 Thank you, man.
00:16:06.580 It's a pleasure, man.
00:16:07.040 I'm really happy to meet you, man.
00:16:08.100 If you have any questions, come.
00:16:09.160 If you come London, come speak.
00:16:11.220 Am I more handsome?
00:16:13.060 Yeah.
00:16:15.300 You see that?
00:16:17.240 This is how we have discussions.
00:16:18.480 Nicely with our Sikhs.
00:16:19.900 Brother in humanity,
00:16:21.180 you know,
00:16:21.680 learning from each other,
00:16:22.620 mathematics.
00:16:23.020 Till next time.
00:16:24.960 Asalaamu Alaikum.
00:16:25.540 We need to eat some chicken though.
00:16:26.420 I'm certain people knew of that.
00:16:28.180 Genuinely speaking.