Ali Dawah - July 20, 2016


WHY CHRISTIANITY IS THE TRUTH ｜｜ SPEAKERS CORNER


Episode Stats

Length

34 minutes

Words per Minute

200.25113

Word Count

6,964

Sentence Count

681

Misogynist Sentences

2

Hate Speech Sentences

48


Summary

In this episode, we discuss the differences between Christians and Muslims regarding their belief in the existence of God and their belief that we should all go to Heaven. We also discuss the possibility of an Antichrist and how we should deal with that possibility.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 As a Muslim, I actually believe in my heart that Muslims will see heaven.
00:00:08.580 I don't believe by any stretch of the imagination, Ali, that because you accepted your faith and I accepted mine, that you're going to hellfire.
00:00:19.060 I don't accept that. Do you know why? Let me tell you why.
00:00:21.600 Because Islam has something that is quite interesting that makes me smile.
00:00:28.180 That makes me believe that Allah or Jehovah is still working things out.
00:00:35.420 Is it Allah or Jehovah, yeah?
00:00:36.780 Yeah, I'm making you come...
00:00:37.980 You know, I truly believe and I pray for you that you will accept this stuff.
00:00:40.840 Because you're a Christian. Like I said before, and you are really looking...
00:00:43.580 You know you said to me that you believe that we as Muslims will go to heaven.
00:00:46.220 Yes.
00:00:46.620 May I ask kindly, do you believe that or does the scripture believe that?
00:00:49.980 Or is it just something in your heart that you believe that?
00:00:51.320 No, the scriptures believe it too.
00:00:53.020 Can you show me?
00:00:53.440 But many Christians, no, I'll explain. Many Christians are blind by that.
00:00:58.460 Let me tell you.
00:01:00.180 The way I look at it, Ali, and I'll go back to my point.
00:01:03.160 If God is not interested whether if you...
00:01:06.240 By the way, you want water?
00:01:07.360 No, I'm alright. I'll carry you.
00:01:08.600 Okay.
00:01:09.920 God is not interested whether if you are a Muslim or a Christian.
00:01:15.340 Just listen.
00:01:15.760 God is interested whether if you are a good Muslim or a good Christian.
00:01:21.340 Because let me tell you this.
00:01:23.000 Many people have died before you and I were born in a religion that they held to by faith that they believed in.
00:01:30.740 And if you believe that Allah is a just judge, he will judge according to what you know.
00:01:38.060 Exactly.
00:01:38.400 Right. And I know this as a Christian. That's why I cannot condemn Muslims.
00:01:42.500 But you know, we believe that if the message hasn't reached you, you will be judged on that day.
00:01:49.940 Exactly.
00:01:50.580 Now, the reason why I asked you is why you believe that Muslims go to heaven is because Christians in the scripture in the Bible says otherwise.
00:01:58.120 But you believe that.
00:01:58.940 No, Ali, listen. Those are Christians that have misinterpreted what that means.
00:02:04.540 Okay, but we in Islam, there's narrations as well that say on that day, true Christians and true Muslims and the people of the book.
00:02:13.500 When I mean Christians, this is the term that's given.
00:02:15.760 We're talking about the word Muslim means anyone that submits to the will of Allah is a Muslim.
00:02:21.020 I know.
00:02:21.360 So the thing is, we believe the real Christians who worship God Almighty and saw Jesus as a prophet.
00:02:26.540 Now, the thing is, what you said was that how do we find the truth?
00:02:30.560 Now, here's my point.
00:02:31.220 Yeah, so I believe we need to go back to the scriptures.
00:02:35.420 The scriptures are very important because the scriptures determine us to see if this is the truth or not.
00:02:41.220 But Ali, you're right.
00:02:42.160 But Ali, I want to tell you something.
00:02:43.280 Because how else can we see the truth?
00:02:44.160 No, Ali, I understand.
00:02:45.420 But Ali, would you accept this?
00:02:47.060 You've been a Muslim for a long time, right, Ali?
00:02:49.320 Three and a half more years.
00:02:50.320 Okay, and that's good, right?
00:02:52.060 And I'm saying to you this.
00:02:54.980 Even if you know the whole Quran and don't practice it, it doesn't make you a Muslim.
00:03:01.860 Even if you know the whole scriptures and don't practice it, it doesn't make you a Christian.
00:03:06.860 So for me, what you believe, practice between you and your God, is what will either commend you or condemn you.
00:03:16.180 Now, the point I want to make to you is this.
00:03:20.140 Muslims and Christians agree that prior to the coming of the Messiah, there will be an Antichrist.
00:03:29.940 Yes.
00:03:30.160 Now, I find it so interesting that we waste our time in Hyde Park talking about our differences, but not the Antichrist to come.
00:03:40.260 Because we...
00:03:41.220 That's a very good point.
00:03:42.120 Yes.
00:03:42.880 But let's agree...
00:03:43.680 We'll come to that.
00:03:44.600 But the issue right now, Allah says in the Quran, we should come to common agreement with something that we believe.
00:03:49.520 That comes to common.
00:03:50.320 Yes, right?
00:03:50.840 Now, what I'm saying is, we should both agree that there is only one God, that God is not begotten, even if it is already begotten, there is nothing like Onesim.
00:04:00.800 So do not believe in Imogen.
00:04:01.980 So do not believe anyone that worships Prophet Muhammad.
00:04:04.980 He's not a Muslim.
00:04:06.280 Same with Jesus.
00:04:07.060 The commandment says that, thou shalt not worship anything that is above the heavens.
00:04:12.540 We need to see.
00:04:13.480 He says that.
00:04:14.160 So why do Christians do that?
00:04:16.860 Okay, but...
00:04:17.840 So I understand your point.
00:04:18.980 Do you accept Jesus as a Prophet or an Incarnation of God?
00:04:22.600 Because this is really crucial.
00:04:23.460 I accept Jesus Christ both as a Prophet, Saviour, Incarnation of God, and will rule when He comes.
00:04:32.280 Because His Father is the one that resurrected Him from the grave, and all power is given back to Him.
00:04:38.700 Okay, but, Lord, you need to hear me.
00:04:40.140 Because you said, you said, in the Bible, it says that there is nothing above the sea, below the sea, above the earth, nothing like it.
00:04:47.040 But the moment you say, gee, God Almighty was incarnated, automatically it's something that is on this earth.
00:04:53.200 It contradicts the commandment.
00:04:54.900 Yes, yes.
00:04:55.540 Now, now, that is my first point.
00:04:56.800 So I'm saying, I would be genuinely happy if we come to a common term of worshipping God alone without Him being incarnated.
00:05:02.660 And it comes back to the point of, is the Bible reliable?
00:05:05.440 Because you're opening the book, but we really need to see if it's reliable first.
00:05:09.000 Because if those scriptures are reliable...
00:05:10.520 Yeah, yeah, Ali, Ali, I got you.
00:05:11.540 Ali, in the scriptures in the book of Revelation, it says in the last two verses,
00:05:17.060 He who testified to these things say, yes, I am coming soon.
00:05:22.160 For Christ is coming.
00:05:23.880 Amen.
00:05:24.700 Come, Lord Jesus.
00:05:26.100 Now, listen to the last.
00:05:27.020 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people.
00:05:31.260 Amen.
00:05:31.920 Now, it says here in verse 18,
00:05:35.200 I warn everyone who hears the word of the prophecy of this book.
00:05:39.300 If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.
00:05:45.660 If anyone takes the words away from this book of prophecy,
00:05:49.480 God will take away from him his snare in the tree of life and in the holy city.
00:05:54.540 He won't make it, which I describe in this book.
00:05:58.080 So, my question is this.
00:06:00.960 Christ says that basically,
00:06:04.000 Behold, I'm coming soon.
00:06:05.800 My reward is with me.
00:06:07.380 And I will give everyone according to what he has done.
00:06:11.480 Then here's a key word.
00:06:13.460 I am the Alpha and the Omega.
00:06:17.900 The first and the last.
00:06:19.960 The beginning and the end.
00:06:21.420 It means then that Christ actually pre-existed before his human body.
00:06:28.140 Then again, Paul, what you just said there,
00:06:30.780 if the scripture that you hold in your very hand is not reliable,
00:06:33.840 doesn't that argument fall apart?
00:06:35.420 Because how do we know Jesus actually uttered those words?
00:06:38.660 Because that's why I'm saying let's go to the scripture and see if it's uttered.
00:06:42.120 It did because it was recorded by his disciples.
00:06:44.020 No, no, no.
00:06:44.340 Okay, okay.
00:06:44.820 The question is here.
00:06:45.480 Do you have any evidence that the disciples spoke to Jesus?
00:06:49.200 Do you have any chain of narration?
00:06:50.940 Like, for example, I'll give you something that we have in...
00:06:52.820 They did speak to Jesus.
00:06:53.460 Can I give you an example of something that we have in Islam?
00:06:55.060 They did because Mark wrote...
00:06:56.760 Mark, Mark, which was the first book that Mark wrote.
00:06:59.680 Mark wrote the account of that.
00:07:01.320 No, no, but do you know in the New Jerome commentary of the Bible,
00:07:04.440 it clearly says these names and attributes of these disciples
00:07:07.780 were given by...
00:07:09.980 It's UBS, if I'm not mistaken.
00:07:11.400 I can show you it now.
00:07:12.480 So we have something like this.
00:07:13.740 This is a chain where we know how the Prophet conveyed his message, the Quran.
00:07:18.200 Like, for example, the Prophet conveyed it to Ali ibn Gadiah,
00:07:21.680 Alas ibn Maalik, Abu Hurayrah, Aqbal ibn Zubayyid.
00:07:24.120 Thousand.
00:07:24.540 This is just one chain.
00:07:25.660 And they narrated it to these guys at the bottom.
00:07:27.880 These guys narrated it to them.
00:07:28.980 Are you saying because you don't have a chain to trace
00:07:32.800 how the Gospels were spread from Jesus to the disciples,
00:07:39.680 that it makes the Bible flawed?
00:07:41.940 No, no, no.
00:07:42.620 What I'm saying is,
00:07:43.380 firstly, we need to determine if the Bible is reliable.
00:07:46.060 Number two, was it reliably transmitted?
00:07:48.660 Let me answer that question with the scriptures.
00:07:50.920 The first question.
00:07:51.620 I'm asking the first question.
00:07:52.740 But do you understand?
00:07:53.300 Yes, sir.
00:07:53.900 I'm giving you the first question.
00:07:54.800 The question when you do that.
00:07:55.660 Yes.
00:07:55.960 Because I'm saying, is the Bible reliable,
00:07:57.340 and you're giving me a quote from the Bible?
00:07:59.340 Do you get what I'm trying to say, Paul?
00:08:00.000 Yes.
00:08:00.420 But I have to.
00:08:01.320 But the thing is,
00:08:02.020 how do you know what you're reading is?
00:08:04.000 It's the Bible.
00:08:05.100 Because it's the Word of God.
00:08:06.280 Okay, okay, okay.
00:08:06.780 But what I'm saying is...
00:08:07.560 Given to man.
00:08:08.800 Okay, can the Word of God have errors in it?
00:08:10.540 Like verses added or taken out?
00:08:12.180 Without sounding rude,
00:08:12.940 I'm just trying to say.
00:08:13.720 Can the Word of God have errors?
00:08:15.820 Verses added to be errors?
00:08:16.780 No.
00:08:17.240 Okay.
00:08:17.600 Can we open John 7, 5, 3?
00:08:19.540 Yeah.
00:08:19.720 This is what Bible is this Bible?
00:08:21.840 This is the King James.
00:08:22.980 Okay.
00:08:23.300 Before I go, I want to read something to you.
00:08:25.900 Yeah.
00:08:27.080 Timothy chapter 3, verse 16.
00:08:29.120 All scriptures is God-breathed.
00:08:31.040 That means inspired by God.
00:08:32.660 Yes.
00:08:33.140 And it's useful for teaching, rebuking, correction,
00:08:35.940 and training in righteousness.
00:08:37.380 Okay.
00:08:37.640 So the man of God may be thoroughly equipped
00:08:39.720 for every good work.
00:08:40.840 Okay.
00:08:40.980 So that text, which is like your surah,
00:08:45.320 endorses the authenticity of the scripture.
00:08:48.640 Yeah, but you know in Revelation you read that
00:08:50.040 it said if anyone changes the Word of God,
00:08:51.720 they are damned.
00:08:53.020 That's true.
00:08:53.560 Okay.
00:08:54.020 So let's go to John 7, 5, 3.
00:08:55.900 Your point being what now?
00:08:57.260 I think it's for John 7.
00:09:03.780 5.
00:09:06.580 John 6.
00:09:09.420 3.
00:09:10.980 Jesus' brothers said to him,
00:09:13.680 you ought to leave here and go to Judea
00:09:16.320 so that your disciples may see the miracles you do.
00:09:20.780 Okay?
00:09:21.220 Okay.
00:09:21.920 In the New International Version,
00:09:23.640 it says that the earliest manuscripts they found
00:09:25.660 and the other ancient witnesses do not have it.
00:09:28.340 John 7, 5, 3, 8, 11.
00:09:30.340 So what they have found is that these verses
00:09:32.600 have been added in later.
00:09:34.300 Listen to me.
00:09:34.780 The New International Version
00:09:36.660 was something that was actually concocted
00:09:40.340 by another group of Christian scholars
00:09:42.980 to make the Bible accessible.
00:09:45.620 Okay.
00:09:45.740 Its level of accuracy, as you raised,
00:09:48.320 is point main.
00:09:49.820 Yes.
00:09:50.020 If you go to a Jehovah's Witness Bible,
00:09:52.080 you will not see the accuracy that you get from the King James.
00:09:57.120 If you go to a Bible held by Catholics,
00:09:59.820 you will see that some of the commandments have changed
00:10:02.200 and not also align with the traditional commandments
00:10:05.960 as recorded in the King James.
00:10:08.080 So the key thing that I need to let you understand
00:10:10.940 that I'm using the King James
00:10:13.140 in this discussion with you
00:10:15.000 as a means to explain to you the word of God.
00:10:17.460 You're right.
00:10:17.960 Isn't that a problem?
00:10:20.420 Because the first thing...
00:10:21.080 Problem for who?
00:10:21.800 The problem for the Christians.
00:10:23.400 No, it's not.
00:10:23.960 Because you're seeing that the New International Version
00:10:25.840 has been changed,
00:10:27.600 where it's added in or taken out,
00:10:29.880 where you're seeing in your King James Version,
00:10:32.020 that is not the case.
00:10:33.380 So now I have a problem with different Bibles.
00:10:34.940 For example...
00:10:35.940 Listen, I understand, but I do not heard what I said.
00:10:38.960 The Protestants have 66 books.
00:10:41.180 The Catholics have 73 English.
00:10:43.260 The Orthodox Version has 86.
00:10:45.020 And the Charismatic Version has 76.
00:10:47.260 Do we...
00:10:47.680 You know, in Islam,
00:10:48.320 we don't have that problem with the Quran.
00:10:49.020 It makes it look confusing, doesn't it?
00:10:50.180 No, no, no, but the thing is...
00:10:50.960 Because you only have one Quran written in one language.
00:10:53.960 If I gave you a bottle of water
00:10:55.560 with a drop of poison in it,
00:10:57.380 would you drink that water?
00:10:59.140 Why are you leading me with a question?
00:11:00.960 No, no, no, no.
00:11:01.860 You know that I would not drink poisonous water.
00:11:04.580 Neither would you.
00:11:06.000 Why do you...
00:11:06.580 Thank you, that's good.
00:11:07.880 That's what I understand.
00:11:09.020 Then why do you give your salvation and your life
00:11:11.960 to a scripture that is not reliable
00:11:13.720 and has been changed?
00:11:14.720 Just the way you were rejected,
00:11:15.720 a bottle of water with a poison in it...
00:11:16.580 Let me tell you why.
00:11:17.420 Why is it that...
00:11:18.140 Let me tell you why.
00:11:18.880 Let me tell you why.
00:11:20.280 And because I have a personal relationship with Christ.
00:11:24.560 No, listen, you asked me a question.
00:11:29.180 It's not like I went to church
00:11:31.120 and I believe what my parents believe
00:11:33.680 and I follow their religion.
00:11:35.660 What you're taking out of the equation
00:11:37.180 if I never had a personal relationship
00:11:39.940 with this Jesus...
00:11:41.400 But how do you have a personal relationship?
00:11:43.240 You mean how do?
00:11:44.120 Like what kind of personal relationship?
00:11:45.560 Do you mean you see?
00:11:46.480 No, I don't see it.
00:11:47.560 What do you mean by personal relationship?
00:11:48.540 It's one of faith.
00:11:50.080 Okay, but the thing is,
00:11:51.100 what if somebody,
00:11:51.920 a Satan worshiper comes and says,
00:11:53.140 I have a personal relationship with Satan
00:11:55.000 and I believe I'm happy?
00:11:57.200 That doesn't...
00:11:57.940 I could say, okay,
00:11:58.940 that could make you happy.
00:11:59.640 That's probable.
00:12:00.380 But it doesn't mean it's the truth.
00:12:01.880 No, listen to me.
00:12:02.840 Satan exists,
00:12:03.880 whether you're a Muslim or a Christian.
00:12:04.780 No, no, no, I understand.
00:12:05.440 No, hold on, hold on.
00:12:06.240 And people that worship Satan,
00:12:08.460 right,
00:12:09.060 are actually...
00:12:09.600 Christ even called them,
00:12:10.720 Isa,
00:12:11.340 that you are...
00:12:11.860 You are...
00:12:12.480 You are...
00:12:13.080 You are your father.
00:12:14.860 Uh...
00:12:15.260 Are the children of liars.
00:12:17.060 So the existence of Satan
00:12:18.480 is not something
00:12:20.600 that's up in the sky.
00:12:21.900 It exists.
00:12:22.760 I know, I know, but...
00:12:23.500 But I'm telling you
00:12:24.420 that my relationship,
00:12:26.280 whether if you don't realize it or not,
00:12:28.700 the reason why I stand on the scriptures
00:12:31.220 is not because of what only what I've read.
00:12:34.300 That reinforces my faith.
00:12:36.440 It's because of my relationship
00:12:38.020 with the Lord of the scriptures.
00:12:41.320 Okay, but the thing is,
00:12:42.440 you say he's the Lord of the scriptures,
00:12:44.420 but where did he claim to be reincarnated?
00:12:46.960 You're going back to the Bible,
00:12:47.780 but the Bible, as we saw,
00:12:49.420 is not reliable.
00:12:50.480 So how do you...
00:12:51.160 You rejected a bottle of water
00:12:52.240 with a poison on it.
00:12:53.320 I'm telling you,
00:12:54.080 there is verses added in
00:12:55.240 which maybe has given you
00:12:57.160 the false understanding
00:12:58.340 that Jesus is the Lord
00:12:59.300 and is reincarnated.
00:12:59.660 I think your argument
00:13:00.600 makes probable sense.
00:13:02.720 But the truth about it,
00:13:03.800 Ali,
00:13:04.100 what you need to understand,
00:13:05.660 that in this world,
00:13:07.120 there is truth
00:13:08.040 and there is error.
00:13:09.280 And the point that you have made
00:13:11.240 about the Bible being translated,
00:13:13.480 what you must understand,
00:13:14.880 you're taking out of the equation
00:13:17.180 as if God has not actually
00:13:20.180 had one book
00:13:21.720 that reflects his ultimate truth.
00:13:24.220 And that book
00:13:25.040 is the Holy Scriptures
00:13:26.720 given to us
00:13:28.140 by the disciples
00:13:29.440 and that reflects
00:13:31.260 enough for us to be saved.
00:13:32.620 Paul, you don't know
00:13:34.100 if the disciples
00:13:34.680 met Jesus number one.
00:13:35.800 He did.
00:13:36.700 Why do you disbelieve that?
00:13:37.920 Because I can show you
00:13:38.800 for you to...
00:13:39.120 No, no, no.
00:13:39.700 Don't go back to your chart.
00:13:40.960 No, no, no.
00:13:41.320 You disbelieve...
00:13:42.240 Hold on, hold on.
00:13:43.300 No, no.
00:13:43.880 There is a historical account
00:13:45.360 that Jesus walked the planet.
00:13:47.800 Agreed?
00:13:48.180 I believe that.
00:13:48.840 I believe that.
00:13:49.400 Isn't there a historical account
00:13:50.860 that he was crucified
00:13:51.780 by the Romans?
00:13:52.780 No.
00:13:53.620 Ah.
00:13:54.740 Now I understand.
00:13:55.800 Because in the Quran,
00:13:56.880 you believe that he will come back
00:13:57.920 and he will bear children.
00:13:59.060 No, no.
00:13:59.460 But the thing is, Paul,
00:14:00.540 like, firstly,
00:14:01.400 I understand you're saying,
00:14:02.320 you have this relationship
00:14:03.180 with Jesus.
00:14:04.240 But first,
00:14:04.700 you need to understand
00:14:05.440 if Jesus could even ever claim
00:14:07.140 being reincarnated.
00:14:09.060 Because in the Quran,
00:14:10.220 Allah SWT says,
00:14:11.140 I'm arafat, is it?
00:14:12.260 That the mountains
00:14:13.040 are about to crumble
00:14:13.960 and the earth is about to slip.
00:14:15.220 Jesus told Caiaphas
00:14:16.900 that me and my father are one.
00:14:18.760 Can I finish?
00:14:19.540 Here, but then again,
00:14:20.360 you're going to the scriptures
00:14:21.040 which are not reliable.
00:14:22.520 Because if I said to you,
00:14:23.780 I believe in Harry Potter
00:14:24.820 and I believe it's from God,
00:14:26.500 if I gave you references,
00:14:27.520 you're going to say,
00:14:27.940 Ali, how on earth
00:14:29.860 is that the word of God?
00:14:30.520 Ali, I love your sincerity,
00:14:31.900 but let me tell you
00:14:32.760 what separates you
00:14:33.860 from the truth that I have.
00:14:35.900 But how do you know
00:14:36.380 it's the truth?
00:14:36.760 No, listen,
00:14:37.300 I said that now.
00:14:38.260 I was respecting you.
00:14:39.120 I said the truth that I have.
00:14:40.820 Ali.
00:14:42.260 I'm respecting you.
00:14:43.920 I'm telling you
00:14:44.900 that basically
00:14:46.140 is that it's a question
00:14:47.920 of faith.
00:14:50.300 Blind faith?
00:14:51.260 No, I know Muslims
00:14:52.260 use this word.
00:14:53.300 Would you say
00:14:54.040 that your father Abraham
00:14:55.140 was blind to believe
00:14:56.440 that God would make him
00:14:57.860 a great nation?
00:14:59.320 What do you mean?
00:14:59.820 If God did his promise,
00:15:01.000 then we ask our faith.
00:15:02.320 Yes, but Abraham's faith
00:15:04.000 wasn't born out of a substance
00:15:06.000 that he saw his promise.
00:15:07.440 No, of course.
00:15:07.940 He believed without seeing it.
00:15:09.160 Well, of course,
00:15:09.640 we believe in faith as well.
00:15:10.760 So, therefore,
00:15:11.780 you can't say that.
00:15:12.540 What you're saying is total faith.
00:15:12.820 No, hold on.
00:15:13.520 Hold on.
00:15:13.980 There's faith.
00:15:14.600 There's no such thing
00:15:15.300 as total faith as well.
00:15:16.940 There's just faith.
00:15:17.660 No, no, no.
00:15:18.060 One second.
00:15:18.720 I am not going to cross the road
00:15:20.380 knowing that there's cars
00:15:21.760 coming 50 miles an hour
00:15:22.740 with my eyes closed.
00:15:23.600 That's not faith.
00:15:24.280 That's stupidity.
00:15:25.260 That's got nothing to do with faith.
00:15:26.480 We believe in Islam.
00:15:27.460 That's presumption.
00:15:28.340 Yeah, we believe in Islam.
00:15:29.560 We do the right thing
00:15:30.340 by wearing our seatbelts
00:15:31.440 and then putting our faith in God.
00:15:32.760 What you're talking about, Ali,
00:15:34.180 is not a demonstration of faith.
00:15:36.180 Though you can use it
00:15:37.080 very skillfully
00:15:37.840 to demonstrate faith.
00:15:39.220 That is not faith.
00:15:40.380 Do you think you're going to blind faith then?
00:15:41.660 Ali, listen.
00:15:43.540 When you coin faith like that,
00:15:45.400 you can only conclude
00:15:46.260 what you're saying.
00:15:47.380 I'm saying to you,
00:15:48.380 I want you to look at another one.
00:15:50.740 Let's go back to something
00:15:51.740 that we understand.
00:15:52.560 Abraham listened to God
00:15:55.660 because God told him
00:15:56.620 he was going to make him
00:15:57.220 a great nation, right?
00:15:59.100 But Abraham didn't see the land
00:16:01.260 where he was going to.
00:16:03.320 Would you agree?
00:16:05.540 Agreed.
00:16:06.060 Now, would you say that
00:16:07.480 Abraham's response
00:16:08.840 to leave his country
00:16:10.920 and his father
00:16:11.640 was an act of faith?
00:16:12.980 Yeah, of course.
00:16:13.620 Because of God's revelation.
00:16:14.800 But it wasn't an act of blind faith.
00:16:16.320 No, no, no.
00:16:16.960 But God's revelation.
00:16:17.940 So I put it to you.
00:16:19.380 Now, it's okay.
00:16:20.080 But Paul, did Abraham
00:16:20.940 wake up one day
00:16:22.480 and say,
00:16:22.820 I'm going to go to this land?
00:16:24.340 Nobody spoke to him.
00:16:25.200 No, God.
00:16:25.580 That's not according
00:16:26.140 to the scriptures.
00:16:26.780 No, no.
00:16:27.100 We know that Abraham
00:16:28.000 didn't do that.
00:16:28.640 What did he do?
00:16:29.300 Abraham was told by God.
00:16:31.340 That's what I'm saying.
00:16:31.840 Now, hear my point.
00:16:32.700 Have you been told by Jesus
00:16:33.840 what you believe in?
00:16:34.760 Yes.
00:16:35.300 But is the Bible reliable?
00:16:36.320 Listen to me.
00:16:38.000 I have had a relationship
00:16:39.820 with the only person
00:16:42.700 that I know
00:16:43.480 that saved me.
00:16:45.300 How do you know
00:16:45.760 that's a true picture?
00:16:46.720 Let me tell you why.
00:16:48.180 Because in my 30 years,
00:16:50.680 he has led me,
00:16:51.680 as he led the children of Israel,
00:16:53.400 through the wilderness.
00:16:54.400 Listen to me.
00:16:55.140 The children of Israel
00:16:56.160 were going through the wilderness,
00:16:57.640 but they never know
00:16:58.660 where they were going.
00:16:59.860 But God did that.
00:17:00.460 No, listen.
00:17:01.140 No, no, no, no.
00:17:02.120 As much as God led
00:17:03.480 the children of Israel,
00:17:04.700 he has led me.
00:17:05.820 God, not Jesus.
00:17:07.100 Listen to me.
00:17:08.000 The God that you refer to
00:17:09.460 couldn't be the father
00:17:11.020 because the truth,
00:17:12.580 because it's a mystery
00:17:14.040 for you as a Muslim.
00:17:14.980 So let me explain this to you.
00:17:16.360 When Adam sinned,
00:17:18.800 yes?
00:17:19.100 Yes.
00:17:20.440 The question you must ask yourself,
00:17:22.700 then who,
00:17:25.000 if no man has seen God,
00:17:29.380 because Adam did,
00:17:30.800 so subsequently after Adam,
00:17:33.400 right,
00:17:35.500 who was actually related to man?
00:17:39.600 Because it wasn't God the father.
00:17:41.220 What do you mean by related to man?
00:17:42.420 But God Almighty
00:17:43.420 revealed that in scriptures to us
00:17:45.180 about what happened,
00:17:46.100 about Adam and the sin.
00:17:48.680 That's how he was revealed to us.
00:17:49.560 I'm saying to you
00:17:50.120 that if you study the Torah
00:17:52.380 and understand
00:17:53.320 the sacrificial systems
00:17:55.060 that was incorporated
00:17:57.260 but inspired by God
00:17:59.080 that led us to realize
00:18:01.060 that a land that they were killing,
00:18:03.480 they were killing all these lands
00:18:04.520 for many years,
00:18:05.760 that that land
00:18:06.600 actually represented the Messiah.
00:18:09.500 No, no, no.
00:18:10.000 But the thing is,
00:18:10.420 where do you get that?
00:18:11.320 The Bible.
00:18:11.880 Is the Bible reliable?
00:18:13.080 Yeah.
00:18:13.240 You didn't need to say
00:18:14.940 the Bible,
00:18:15.320 the job of witnesses
00:18:17.220 have a bit on,
00:18:18.080 the new international version.
00:18:19.000 Which one do we trust?
00:18:20.780 Like, ask me the same question
00:18:21.700 with the Quran.
00:18:22.380 Do not trust
00:18:23.400 the ones that I've quoted.
00:18:24.940 Trust this word.
00:18:26.300 But the Jehovah's Witnesses
00:18:27.320 tell me not to trust this.
00:18:28.880 They're misled.
00:18:29.720 Okay.
00:18:30.200 That's the problem we have here.
00:18:31.700 In Islam,
00:18:32.280 we have one Quran.
00:18:33.620 You will never come across
00:18:34.380 a Muslim saying,
00:18:34.940 don't believe that Quran,
00:18:35.880 believe my Quran.
00:18:36.560 We have one Quran.
00:18:37.680 So what I'm trying to say to you,
00:18:38.780 you said to me
00:18:39.960 that you believe,
00:18:40.740 just because of that
00:18:41.500 you believe that the Bible
00:18:42.360 is not true
00:18:42.880 because there's so many counterfeit?
00:18:44.600 Yes.
00:18:45.140 You believe that?
00:18:45.800 That's true.
00:18:46.120 Oh, okay.
00:18:46.600 So what about this point then?
00:18:47.560 Let me give you an analogy.
00:18:48.420 You like analogies.
00:18:49.240 Why is it that you have
00:18:50.960 a $100 bill?
00:18:52.640 Yes.
00:18:52.860 An original $100 bill?
00:18:54.460 Yes, yes.
00:18:54.880 But there are people
00:18:55.580 in this world
00:18:56.200 that will go around
00:18:57.040 and make a fake $100 bill.
00:18:59.460 Okay.
00:18:59.680 Does it make the original
00:19:01.220 $100 bill mute?
00:19:03.340 No, no, it doesn't.
00:19:03.920 But my...
00:19:04.400 So what I want to tell you
00:19:05.500 is that God...
00:19:05.680 But my salvation
00:19:06.480 doesn't rely on a $100 bill.
00:19:08.180 No, hold on.
00:19:08.720 But that $100 bill
00:19:09.820 is only to demonstrate
00:19:12.040 a point
00:19:12.940 that in this world
00:19:14.780 there is the reliable
00:19:16.260 word of God
00:19:17.240 that has been...
00:19:18.540 Nissan
00:19:18.960 that has been counterfeited.
00:19:21.460 That counterfeit
00:19:22.520 doesn't make...
00:19:23.100 So you accept
00:19:23.780 this being counterfeited?
00:19:24.600 Yes.
00:19:25.120 So you accept that
00:19:26.260 you don't have
00:19:26.600 the original manuscript?
00:19:27.160 Just like you walk
00:19:28.040 into certain shops
00:19:29.000 in China
00:19:29.540 you will see
00:19:30.380 counterfeit DG,
00:19:31.940 Parada.
00:19:32.700 Sometimes I wear
00:19:33.920 fake Armani.
00:19:34.520 Thank you.
00:19:35.100 So it doesn't...
00:19:35.480 Keep it down.
00:19:37.380 But what I'm trying
00:19:38.220 to say is...
00:19:38.860 Okay.
00:19:39.360 It doesn't take away...
00:19:40.760 No, no.
00:19:40.980 Okay, I think
00:19:41.340 you got it, Alan.
00:19:41.800 Okay, if you don't
00:19:42.640 have the original manuscript
00:19:43.840 and it's been copied
00:19:44.920 imagine...
00:19:45.420 No, we have it, Alan.
00:19:46.240 You don't have it.
00:19:46.860 Ali, we have it.
00:19:47.780 Please show me
00:19:48.140 I will accept this channel.
00:19:48.720 Ali!
00:19:49.180 Where's the original manuscript?
00:19:49.780 Are you trying to tell me
00:19:50.680 that from Abraham...
00:19:52.340 Hold on.
00:19:52.880 Yeah, you don't have it.
00:19:53.340 From Abraham...
00:19:54.020 Down to the Patriarchs...
00:19:56.340 Yes.
00:19:56.880 We never held the recording?
00:19:58.980 No, you don't have it.
00:19:59.780 It's gone.
00:20:01.040 So the first...
00:20:01.660 Oh, is that right?
00:20:02.580 Yeah, you don't have it.
00:20:03.120 That's why you have
00:20:03.840 these problems with the Bibles
00:20:04.720 because that's why I show you.
00:20:05.500 Now I understand your problem.
00:20:06.400 No, no, but do you understand,
00:20:07.120 Paul?
00:20:07.380 That is the reason
00:20:08.200 why there are so many Bibles
00:20:09.480 because if you have
00:20:10.220 the original one,
00:20:10.940 we have the original Quran
00:20:12.300 and the one we have today
00:20:13.780 is the same as we had before.
00:20:15.620 Not only that,
00:20:16.240 it's been memorized by millions...
00:20:17.520 The Jews have kept
00:20:18.400 the original Torah...
00:20:19.300 No, no, no.
00:20:19.400 It's been...
00:20:20.140 No, don't say that, Ali.
00:20:21.560 That's not disingenuous.
00:20:24.020 If your Bible...
00:20:25.020 Do you believe your Bible
00:20:25.860 is the original?
00:20:27.860 Original what?
00:20:28.600 The original manuscript
00:20:29.460 of the Bible.
00:20:30.680 In the manuscript,
00:20:31.480 I have the original
00:20:32.140 Word of God
00:20:33.320 held in my hand.
00:20:34.120 That is the one.
00:20:35.080 Okay.
00:20:36.040 What about Jehovah's Witnesses
00:20:37.340 and the ones
00:20:37.700 that have the international version?
00:20:38.840 Can't answer for them.
00:20:39.820 I've answered...
00:20:40.300 I told you already.
00:20:40.920 But they are saying...
00:20:41.760 They're claiming the same thing.
00:20:42.780 They are saying
00:20:43.200 we have the original Bible.
00:20:44.020 Yeah, but the problem
00:20:44.700 with the Jehovah's Witnesses
00:20:45.960 is that basically
00:20:46.880 they are arguing
00:20:48.360 that Jesus Christ
00:20:49.620 is a prophet
00:20:51.140 just like you as Muslims.
00:20:53.020 They don't believe
00:20:53.900 in the incarnate
00:20:55.220 Jesus Christ.
00:20:56.660 I know that.
00:20:57.780 Yes.
00:20:58.020 And I realize that.
00:20:59.080 Don't you think
00:20:59.360 I don't know that?
00:20:59.920 Why do they conflict with you?
00:21:00.900 Because you do realize...
00:21:01.620 No, they conflict
00:21:02.300 with the Word of God.
00:21:03.200 They don't conflict with me.
00:21:03.920 Do you believe in the Trinity?
00:21:05.100 No, no, no.
00:21:06.220 The Trinity is not mentioned
00:21:07.300 in the Bible.
00:21:07.860 Okay.
00:21:08.280 But there is Christians...
00:21:08.900 But I do...
00:21:09.400 Hold on.
00:21:09.920 I do believe
00:21:10.720 in God the Father,
00:21:13.120 God the Son,
00:21:14.440 and the Holy Ghost.
00:21:15.480 That's Trinity.
00:21:16.680 That's what you say.
00:21:17.580 Okay.
00:21:18.000 But Paul,
00:21:18.420 you need to understand something.
00:21:20.180 The Trinity is a unique concept
00:21:22.020 that's within Catholicism,
00:21:23.340 which is not like the way I am.
00:21:24.720 What is...
00:21:25.400 You have a Bible
00:21:26.940 which is not reliable.
00:21:28.900 That's being changed.
00:21:29.940 There is many versions
00:21:30.820 and you still are putting
00:21:32.360 your salvation on.
00:21:33.040 I wouldn't know
00:21:33.520 how you do that.
00:21:33.960 I'm endeared to you
00:21:34.600 because of your sin.
00:21:35.000 How did you become
00:21:35.520 so brave like that?
00:21:36.260 Because me,
00:21:36.740 I'm scared to be...
00:21:37.540 Alright, I understand.
00:21:38.540 I understand.
00:21:38.940 The reason why is
00:21:39.760 because just like Peter
00:21:41.000 and all the apostles
00:21:42.740 that died,
00:21:44.060 believing,
00:21:45.420 being crucified,
00:21:47.260 boiled in oil,
00:21:48.500 John was.
00:21:49.580 Do you know why?
00:21:50.900 Because they had an experience
00:21:52.640 with...
00:21:54.060 Hold on.
00:21:54.560 They had an experience
00:21:55.380 with Jesus Christ.
00:21:57.000 And listen to me.
00:21:58.320 And what Muslims
00:21:59.340 will never be able
00:22:00.160 to get their head around
00:22:00.880 is that you can't deny
00:22:02.920 a man's faith,
00:22:04.460 his personal faith,
00:22:05.960 in his relationship
00:22:07.140 with a personal God.
00:22:09.060 My point is this.
00:22:10.420 Okay.
00:22:10.960 I like you.
00:22:11.600 You're a sincere man.
00:22:12.560 Yes.
00:22:13.140 We talked and I believe...
00:22:14.740 Sorry.
00:22:15.260 I believe you're looking
00:22:17.440 for the truth.
00:22:18.340 But what saddens me
00:22:19.420 is that even though
00:22:20.240 I tell you
00:22:20.740 that the scriptures
00:22:21.280 are not reliable,
00:22:22.560 you still insist on seeing
00:22:23.660 you have a relationship
00:22:24.480 with Jesus
00:22:24.960 and you have faith.
00:22:26.560 Now, like I said before,
00:22:27.540 you can't have
00:22:28.040 complete my faith
00:22:28.820 because if I came to you
00:22:29.960 and said I believe...
00:22:30.700 I came to Islam,
00:22:31.760 I started worshipping
00:22:32.460 God Almighty alone
00:22:33.380 and Allah changed my life
00:22:35.380 and made me a better person.
00:22:36.260 That is not evidence
00:22:36.980 to say Islam is the truth
00:22:38.180 because you're doing the same.
00:22:39.280 So did Allah...
00:22:40.420 Did Allah say to you,
00:22:42.020 Ali, I'm here.
00:22:43.920 Did Allah say that to you?
00:22:44.840 Yeah, in the Quran.
00:22:45.480 No, no, no.
00:22:45.920 He said the one
00:22:46.460 who calls upon me
00:22:47.040 I respond to you.
00:22:47.500 No, I said to you personally.
00:22:49.180 Did Allah...
00:22:49.700 No, no, personally.
00:22:50.380 Good.
00:22:50.700 No, personally.
00:22:51.080 Yes, yes.
00:22:51.940 No, personally.
00:22:52.760 Oh, yeah, okay.
00:22:53.640 In the Quran, personally.
00:22:54.260 Firstly, God talking
00:22:55.040 in the Quran.
00:22:55.580 We believe that.
00:22:56.380 He's talking through you.
00:22:57.640 Okay.
00:22:57.900 And that in itself
00:22:58.640 is not correct
00:22:59.360 because every man...
00:23:00.700 Every man has to give
00:23:02.320 an account
00:23:02.740 for the faith within him.
00:23:03.760 I'm joking.
00:23:04.200 You can't answer for Ali.
00:23:05.240 Go, go.
00:23:05.760 Listen, Ali,
00:23:06.460 let me say to you.
00:23:07.540 Abraham was called by God.
00:23:09.160 Yes.
00:23:10.020 And Abraham...
00:23:11.220 Hold on.
00:23:12.260 At that time,
00:23:12.920 he wasn't a prophet.
00:23:13.960 Abraham was an...
00:23:15.180 Actually, his name
00:23:15.860 wasn't Abraham.
00:23:16.940 It's Abra.
00:23:18.760 Okay.
00:23:19.380 Right?
00:23:20.020 And he responded
00:23:22.180 to the call
00:23:23.400 of his maker.
00:23:26.400 And we know
00:23:27.340 if you were to ask
00:23:28.680 Abra or Abraham,
00:23:30.440 where are you going?
00:23:31.780 He would say,
00:23:33.140 I don't know.
00:23:35.060 Abraham was walking
00:23:36.860 by faith.
00:23:38.120 Not just by faith.
00:23:40.060 Hold, hold, hold
00:23:40.720 for one second.
00:23:41.340 Did God speak to him
00:23:42.020 and say to him
00:23:42.300 to go to another land?
00:23:44.160 Was that revealed to him?
00:23:45.640 And?
00:23:46.400 And he has faith
00:23:47.580 and he walked
00:23:47.900 because he believes
00:23:48.520 in God.
00:23:48.860 He had faith.
00:23:49.540 Yes.
00:23:50.280 You're having blind faith.
00:23:51.780 You're telling me
00:23:52.360 I have a relationship
00:23:53.120 with Jesus.
00:23:54.020 I'm asking you...
00:23:55.120 Yeah, I buy him
00:23:55.680 and I'm talking.
00:23:56.960 I'm asking you, yeah?
00:23:58.560 What I'm saying to you
00:23:59.540 is that how is it
00:24:01.240 that you say
00:24:01.720 you have a relationship
00:24:02.520 with Jesus
00:24:03.140 when the scripture
00:24:04.460 that you believe
00:24:05.240 he sent
00:24:06.060 to all his disciples
00:24:07.280 is absolutely corrupted?
00:24:09.580 But you put that aside...
00:24:10.520 No, you keep making
00:24:11.280 this point.
00:24:12.160 Have you ever heard me
00:24:13.880 say that the Quran
00:24:14.520 is corrupted?
00:24:15.360 Because it's not.
00:24:16.140 No, do you know why?
00:24:17.180 Do you know why?
00:24:17.800 Yeah.
00:24:18.540 Because the basis of it
00:24:19.780 is that I know
00:24:20.620 I have the truth.
00:24:22.180 I don't have to define
00:24:23.400 anybody else's religion
00:24:24.400 as corrupted.
00:24:25.280 Prove to me,
00:24:25.820 as a Muslim,
00:24:26.260 I want to follow your truth.
00:24:27.920 Tell me you're all
00:24:28.920 interested in the truth.
00:24:29.700 Go home tonight
00:24:30.360 How do I find the truth?
00:24:31.540 Open your heart
00:24:32.380 and ask Jesus Christ
00:24:33.820 for coming to you.
00:24:34.580 Why don't we ask
00:24:35.480 the God of Jesus?
00:24:36.880 Okay, Paul.
00:24:37.660 Come on to Paul's superior.
00:24:38.940 A person that worships Satan,
00:24:40.520 if he goes home...
00:24:41.180 Don't you agree?
00:24:41.740 Paul, Paul.
00:24:42.340 Say again?
00:24:42.920 Paul, hear me up.
00:24:43.500 Paul, hear me up.
00:24:43.960 If a person who worships Satan
00:24:45.800 goes today and says,
00:24:46.780 Satan, I will worship you.
00:24:49.340 Show me, make my life good.
00:24:50.700 Are you equating...
00:24:51.620 I'm Satan to Jesus.
00:24:53.360 No, I never said that.
00:24:53.780 So why are you using that analogy?
00:24:54.840 Hear me in some...
00:24:55.660 It's a bad analogy.
00:24:56.440 No, no, hear me in some...
00:24:57.100 It's a very bad analogy.
00:24:57.520 It's a bad analogy.
00:24:58.300 I agree.
00:24:58.860 Paul, Paul.
00:24:59.340 Your brother is agreeing.
00:25:00.580 It's a bad analogy.
00:25:01.560 No, no, no, but...
00:25:01.840 We're not equating...
00:25:02.500 It's a bad analogy.
00:25:03.680 Let me finish my sentence.
00:25:04.560 You're implying something.
00:25:05.380 No, no, let me finish my sentence.
00:25:06.660 You're saying...
00:25:07.060 Ali, change your analogy.
00:25:08.240 No, no, no.
00:25:08.860 Paul, if I haven't finished it,
00:25:09.780 you will not understand.
00:25:10.440 You've just cut me.
00:25:11.400 You said you went
00:25:12.300 and you prayed to Jesus
00:25:13.140 and you changed your life.
00:25:14.420 A person who worships Satan
00:25:15.580 will say the same thing.
00:25:16.600 It doesn't mean it's on the truth.
00:25:18.160 Listen to me.
00:25:18.700 Just because...
00:25:19.180 No, but listen to me.
00:25:19.520 Your analogy is wrong.
00:25:20.660 No, no, no.
00:25:20.960 You can't use that analogy.
00:25:22.000 Okay, I go and pray to Muhammad
00:25:23.760 and my life changes.
00:25:25.440 Does that mean
00:25:26.020 me worshipping Muhammad is correct?
00:25:28.520 According to your experience.
00:25:30.020 Well, hold on a second.
00:25:31.220 So that means...
00:25:32.100 That's subjective because...
00:25:33.620 Then that means...
00:25:34.640 I'm going to tell you
00:25:35.220 to come and worship Muhammad with me.
00:25:36.600 Yes.
00:25:37.220 And you're going to come?
00:25:38.320 No.
00:25:38.740 Why?
00:25:39.340 Because I've had a relationship
00:25:40.620 with Jesus Christ.
00:25:41.200 But I have a relationship
00:25:41.860 with Muhammad then.
00:25:42.480 And that's the dilemma.
00:25:43.320 Then how do you know
00:25:43.940 what's the truth?
00:25:44.780 Are you right or me?
00:25:45.860 Here's my point.
00:25:46.700 And that is why
00:25:47.780 when Christ was in
00:25:49.120 the judgment hall
00:25:50.340 and they asked him
00:25:51.680 are you listening
00:25:52.940 in the scriptures
00:25:54.360 in the gospels?
00:25:55.660 No, hold on.
00:25:56.500 You keep going back
00:25:57.060 to that rhetoric question.
00:25:57.740 No, this is the point.
00:25:59.100 No, no.
00:25:59.560 This is the core.
00:26:00.040 No, no, no.
00:26:00.740 Let me go back to the point.
00:26:01.700 This is the crux of the matter.
00:26:01.980 Let me go to the point.
00:26:03.400 Your crux of the matter
00:26:04.640 is that you fail to recognize
00:26:06.700 the authority of the scripture.
00:26:08.420 That's the fact.
00:26:08.720 No, we don't fail.
00:26:09.820 We want to recognize.
00:26:10.900 The Bible fails.
00:26:11.520 No, hold on, hold on.
00:26:12.260 Christ.
00:26:13.520 Yeah.
00:26:14.780 When they asked him
00:26:16.020 who are you the Messiah?
00:26:18.000 Where?
00:26:18.260 Where do you say that?
00:26:18.680 Where?
00:26:18.940 In the scriptures.
00:26:19.720 But where?
00:26:20.040 Hold on.
00:26:20.820 You've already said
00:26:21.720 that you will not accept
00:26:22.860 the authenticity
00:26:23.480 of the gospels
00:26:24.420 because you've already
00:26:25.520 this claim.
00:26:26.560 But you don't accept it.
00:26:27.380 You don't accept it.
00:26:27.820 I accept it.
00:26:28.420 No, didn't you say
00:26:29.060 the protestant
00:26:29.760 and the Jehovah Witnesses
00:26:31.460 they accept different bibles?
00:26:31.640 I said to you
00:26:32.680 that I don't accept
00:26:33.920 certain bibles
00:26:35.000 that are printed
00:26:36.140 in this country.
00:26:37.200 Have you ever
00:26:37.620 heard of this?
00:26:38.860 That doesn't mean
00:26:39.560 that I don't accept this one.
00:26:40.300 Do you accept this one?
00:26:41.280 Yes.
00:26:42.020 Open it.
00:26:42.660 Can I show you problems in this?
00:26:43.780 No, hold on.
00:26:44.620 No, hold on.
00:26:45.600 Stop.
00:26:45.760 The point is
00:26:50.480 when they ask Christ
00:26:51.700 Can we show you the Bible?
00:26:54.120 You see
00:26:54.680 you can preach to him
00:26:56.280 he can preach to you
00:26:56.980 the point is
00:26:57.580 we need to get to the crux.
00:27:00.020 No, I'm going to the crux
00:27:01.180 but the crux
00:27:01.760 is something that
00:27:02.580 you can't digest.
00:27:03.940 Listen
00:27:04.160 because the point is
00:27:05.440 you have a certain way
00:27:06.720 of understanding truth.
00:27:08.000 If you want to listen
00:27:09.160 to the truth
00:27:09.840 you will either listen
00:27:10.920 or you will not.
00:27:12.320 How do you define truth?
00:27:14.200 That's the question
00:27:14.840 they ask Christ.
00:27:15.760 and Christ says
00:27:16.900 and he said
00:27:19.980 and I quote this to you
00:27:21.200 earlier before
00:27:21.780 He doesn't believe he said
00:27:22.880 that's the problem.
00:27:23.640 Remember what I quote it to you before?
00:27:25.020 My children will
00:27:26.040 Right.
00:27:26.880 What did he say?
00:27:27.380 They will know the truth.
00:27:29.240 Okay.
00:27:29.880 My children will know the truth.
00:27:31.260 How do you know
00:27:31.660 you're one of those children?
00:27:34.040 How do you know
00:27:34.600 you're one of those children?
00:27:35.280 Maybe you're the miscarried ones.
00:27:36.240 Maybe the children
00:27:36.820 are the ones that worship God alone.
00:27:38.140 Because
00:27:38.460 that's a good question.
00:27:39.620 Let me give you an answer
00:27:40.700 for my faith.
00:27:41.220 Okay.
00:27:41.540 Because
00:27:41.840 in spite of my
00:27:43.420 in spite of my sins
00:27:45.580 hold on
00:27:46.800 in spite
00:27:47.720 you asked me a question
00:27:48.880 and you need an answer.
00:27:50.800 Right?
00:27:51.800 And let's be that
00:27:52.760 in spite of my sins
00:27:55.080 just like you
00:27:56.340 you said you became a Muslim
00:27:57.340 three years ago.
00:27:58.140 So both of us
00:27:59.340 have something in common.
00:28:00.760 We strayed from the truth.
00:28:02.780 What about yellow?
00:28:04.140 What are you talking about?
00:28:05.000 I
00:28:05.360 I think
00:28:05.800 I hope God guides you.
00:28:08.240 My brother
00:28:08.660 and I hope that the Lord
00:28:10.040 will guide you through.
00:28:11.100 Which Lord are you talking about?
00:28:12.260 Jesus Christ.
00:28:12.860 I worship the Lord
00:28:13.840 that Jesus worshiped.
00:28:14.940 I hope that
00:28:15.780 I want guidance from that Lord
00:28:16.900 not Jesus.
00:28:17.480 I know you don't
00:28:18.240 but I hope
00:28:19.360 as I said
00:28:20.240 that you understand that
00:28:22.220 that my faith
00:28:23.620 is rooted
00:28:24.300 in a divinity
00:28:25.200 that Jesus Christ
00:28:26.260 is the son
00:28:27.400 of the living God.
00:28:28.520 My evidence
00:28:29.400 is based in faith
00:28:30.560 and nothing else.
00:28:31.720 The mountains are about
00:28:32.420 to crumble
00:28:32.820 and the earth is about
00:28:33.520 to split
00:28:33.880 of your statement.
00:28:34.860 You are saying something.
00:28:36.100 Let it split.
00:28:36.900 Call him ya.
00:28:37.560 Call him ya.
00:28:38.400 Let it split.
00:28:39.280 I'm going to finish this.
00:28:40.200 Call him ya.
00:28:40.980 Allah says in the Quran
00:28:42.080 the mountains are about
00:28:43.400 to crumble
00:28:44.040 and the earth
00:28:44.920 is about to split
00:28:46.360 of a statement
00:28:47.320 that you made out.
00:28:48.020 And Jesus said
00:28:49.240 if you love me
00:28:50.640 keep my commandments.
00:28:52.400 Where is the evidence
00:28:53.120 that Jesus is the son of God?
00:28:54.860 The evidence is this.
00:28:55.940 Is the Bible reliable?
00:28:56.920 You shall see.
00:28:57.840 I'm going to give you the evidence.
00:28:59.140 Go on.
00:29:00.920 You shall see
00:29:01.840 the son of man
00:29:02.800 coming in the crowd
00:29:03.860 of great glory
00:29:05.200 on the right hand of God.
00:29:07.320 Okay.
00:29:07.540 Where does it say that?
00:29:07.920 Jesus gave that an answer
00:29:09.160 to his Jewish leaders
00:29:10.880 when he was taken
00:29:11.880 to the judgment hall.
00:29:13.040 They asked him
00:29:13.860 are you the Messiah?
00:29:15.420 And his answer was
00:29:16.600 you shall see me
00:29:18.140 standing
00:29:18.600 on the right hand of God.
00:29:20.200 Last question.
00:29:20.780 Your answer
00:29:21.480 you will see him coming.
00:29:23.720 Is the Bible
00:29:24.120 okay where do you get that
00:29:25.100 story from?
00:29:26.120 In the scriptures.
00:29:27.320 If the scripture is not reliable
00:29:28.460 does that fall apart?
00:29:29.340 As for a Muslim
00:29:30.200 Would it?
00:29:30.440 Would it?
00:29:30.840 Listen.
00:29:31.300 Would it?
00:29:31.480 I'm just asking.
00:29:32.020 Would it?
00:29:32.260 Would your argument fall apart?
00:29:34.860 If I read you
00:29:35.340 Listen to what I'm saying.
00:29:37.620 If I read you
00:29:38.260 If I read you
00:29:39.180 a part of the Quran
00:29:39.820 if the Quran is not from God
00:29:41.560 what about him here?
00:29:42.660 Is it accurate?
00:29:43.360 Can I show you
00:29:43.960 contradictions?
00:29:44.780 Of what?
00:29:45.320 In the Bible.
00:29:45.760 What's your contradictions?
00:29:46.920 Okay.
00:29:50.800 Okay.
00:29:52.440 I hope that everybody
00:29:53.580 comes and realize
00:29:54.840 that in their lives
00:29:56.340 they're supposed to have
00:29:57.060 a personal relationship
00:29:58.060 with their God
00:29:58.720 and that they're true
00:29:59.880 to this calling.
00:30:00.700 I'm just going to show you
00:30:01.620 the contradictions
00:30:02.200 in the Bible.
00:30:03.480 After I show you that
00:30:04.420 if you still say
00:30:04.980 the Bible is from God
00:30:05.760 then I just
00:30:06.560 strike your hand
00:30:07.400 and move away.
00:30:08.380 Okay.
00:30:09.360 Okay.
00:30:09.780 Can you open?
00:30:10.560 No.
00:30:10.840 Open it and tell me.
00:30:11.640 Okay.
00:30:11.980 I need the Bible.
00:30:12.700 Tell me.
00:30:13.140 Open it.
00:30:13.560 Okay.
00:30:13.740 It says
00:30:15.520 for example
00:30:16.160 the first one
00:30:16.760 in that
00:30:17.720 in that count
00:30:18.660 how many
00:30:19.060 sorry
00:30:19.480 just like you
00:30:20.120 quote the surah
00:30:20.800 quote the chapter
00:30:22.900 and the verse.
00:30:23.500 I am.
00:30:23.880 First I need to mention
00:30:24.520 what the topic is.
00:30:25.120 No.
00:30:25.620 Mention the chapter
00:30:26.620 and the verse Ali.
00:30:27.620 I am.
00:30:28.000 If you allow me.
00:30:28.980 Do it first.
00:30:29.840 In that count
00:30:30.520 No Ali
00:30:31.180 do it first.
00:30:32.620 Can you allow me?
00:30:33.720 No Ali
00:30:34.360 why are you so controversial
00:30:37.740 when you're quoting the
00:30:39.440 I swear by God Almighty
00:30:40.840 alone
00:30:41.300 that straight after my sentence
00:30:42.860 I'm going to quote the chapter
00:30:43.620 I swear to God.
00:30:45.140 How many fighting men
00:30:47.520 were found in Israel?
00:30:48.700 In 2 Samuel
00:30:49.580 chapter 24
00:30:50.740 verse 9
00:30:51.800 it says 500,000.
00:30:53.960 In 1 Chronicles
00:30:55.400 chapter 21
00:30:56.300 verse 5
00:30:57.040 it says 470,000.
00:30:59.820 Is that a contradiction?
00:31:00.940 What are you talking about?
00:31:03.860 How many fighting men
00:31:05.340 sorry
00:31:07.380 Ali
00:31:08.480 you read something
00:31:09.380 that you are
00:31:09.980 found in Israel.
00:31:11.740 Listen
00:31:12.000 where is the contradiction?
00:31:13.440 I'll give you the verses.
00:31:15.660 Oh
00:31:16.100 you're saying
00:31:16.980 that the two verses
00:31:17.940 contradict
00:31:18.340 Yeah yeah yeah
00:31:19.120 Oh that's what you're saying?
00:31:20.380 You're assuming
00:31:21.140 that the two verses
00:31:21.960 relate to one event?
00:31:23.360 Yeah yeah yeah
00:31:24.120 Is that what you're saying?
00:31:25.720 I don't believe that.
00:31:26.800 Can you open the shoulders?
00:31:27.820 No no
00:31:28.200 It's in Israel
00:31:29.300 No I say I don't believe that
00:31:31.460 you are
00:31:31.880 you're making that analogy
00:31:32.820 No no but you can't say
00:31:33.520 I don't believe it
00:31:33.980 you need to show me
00:31:34.540 No no I've shown you
00:31:35.860 that these are two separate events
00:31:36.980 You need to prove it to the Bible
00:31:38.240 because it both talks about Israel
00:31:39.240 you need to show me
00:31:39.860 it's another place
00:31:40.360 Israel
00:31:40.680 Israel
00:31:41.480 what do you understand by Israel?
00:31:43.580 Well there's the people of Israel
00:31:44.580 and then there's Israel
00:31:45.260 Thank you
00:31:45.580 so what are you saying
00:31:46.520 it's a contradiction?
00:31:47.040 No no but
00:31:47.340 it's talking about a place
00:31:48.460 not a person
00:31:48.940 I can't say
00:31:49.520 in this place
00:31:51.220 No no
00:31:51.520 Can you open the Bible?
00:31:54.020 Israel is not a place
00:31:55.360 Do you mind if we go through the Bible?
00:31:56.220 No no
00:31:56.540 Israel is not a place
00:31:58.220 in this context
00:31:58.940 Israel is a people
00:32:00.100 No no no
00:32:00.460 Ok alright
00:32:00.900 Argument's sake
00:32:01.960 no problem
00:32:02.700 No problem
00:32:03.380 Ok
00:32:04.140 How old was Isaiah
00:32:05.800 when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
00:32:07.840 In 2nd Kings 8 verse 26
00:32:09.580 it says he was 22
00:32:10.460 In 2 Chronicles 22 verse 2
00:32:13.000 it says he was 42
00:32:13.740 Was he 22 or 42?
00:32:16.160 I don't know
00:32:16.840 I need to look at it
00:32:17.520 Do you want to look at it now?
00:32:18.800 No
00:32:18.980 I need to go and look at that
00:32:19.860 and stumble
00:32:20.160 Ok
00:32:21.400 I don't
00:32:22.000 Listen
00:32:22.560 Ok you have to
00:32:23.500 go through 101 contradictions
00:32:25.160 because there's 101 contradictions
00:32:26.480 And I will go through it
00:32:28.000 Ok
00:32:28.260 And what I'll say to you is
00:32:30.240 that one that you talk about
00:32:31.840 next week when I'm here
00:32:33.240 I will go on the other
00:32:34.480 Ok
00:32:34.760 Because what you want me to do
00:32:36.380 is
00:32:37.160 Yeah
00:32:37.660 Before you do
00:32:39.640 Well let me give you
00:32:40.140 No you've got
00:32:40.680 You've given two
00:32:41.220 I'll give you two now
00:32:42.120 No no no
00:32:42.620 Psalms 19
00:32:43.800 Psalms 19
00:32:45.860 I don't believe the scriptures
00:32:46.280 No no no
00:32:46.900 You don't believe
00:32:47.400 I don't believe the Quran
00:32:48.980 But I still
00:32:49.500 But I still listen
00:32:50.460 I need to
00:32:51.300 Psalms 19
00:32:52.020 The law
00:32:52.580 The law of the Lord
00:32:53.960 is perfect
00:32:54.680 Reviving the soul
00:32:56.040 The statutes of the Lord
00:32:57.460 are trustworthy
00:32:58.280 Making wise the simple
00:33:00.040 The precepts of the Lord
00:33:01.560 are right
00:33:02.260 Giving joy to the house
00:33:03.920 The commands of the Lord
00:33:06.120 are radiant
00:33:06.920 Giving light to the eyes
00:33:08.640 The fear of the Lord
00:33:09.840 is pure
00:33:10.420 Enduring forever
00:33:11.960 What I'm trying to tell you
00:33:13.360 is that the Bible
00:33:14.120 That's not reliable
00:33:15.160 The Bible
00:33:16.040 is the most reliable source
00:33:17.760 of God's will to man
00:33:19.140 Ok
00:33:19.360 You've said that verse
00:33:20.280 Can I say a verse to finish?
00:33:21.640 Yes
00:33:21.960 Ok
00:33:22.320 We're going to finish with this
00:33:23.060 I want to read from
00:33:23.620 Surah Al-Kathirun
00:33:24.540 It says
00:33:26.040 In the name of Allah
00:33:26.860 Bismillahirrahmanirrahim
00:33:27.960 Say
00:33:28.540 O disbelievers
00:33:29.620 People that don't believe
00:33:30.540 in God Almighty
00:33:31.100 I do not worship
00:33:32.640 that which you worship
00:33:33.720 Nor would you worship
00:33:34.960 what I worship
00:33:35.780 And neither am I going to worship
00:33:37.700 that which you have worship
00:33:38.620 nor will you have
00:33:39.660 worshipped the one
00:33:41.020 that I worship
00:33:42.060 For you is your faith
00:33:43.360 and for you is my faith
00:33:44.620 I've called you unto God
00:33:45.920 And on the day of judgment
00:33:47.040 I will stand in front of God Almighty
00:33:49.000 and say
00:33:49.400 O God
00:33:49.820 I believe that there is nothing like you
00:33:51.840 Neither will you begotten
00:33:53.200 nor do you beget
00:33:53.960 And Jesus was your messenger
00:33:55.640 And when Jesus returns back
00:33:57.180 as we believe in the narrations
00:33:58.340 He will break the cross
00:33:59.540 and tell you that
00:34:00.400 He never told you to worship
00:34:01.280 And the Bible says that
00:34:02.380 when Jesus comes
00:34:03.240 Every eye shall see Him
00:34:04.840 and everyone shall call Him Lord
00:34:06.860 They will say
00:34:07.920 Lord, Lord
00:34:08.320 You know, come to us
00:34:08.960 in your name
00:34:09.580 And in your name
00:34:10.680 and He will say
00:34:12.460 Get away from me
00:34:13.460 I never knew you
00:34:14.140 You're quoting scriptures
00:34:15.120 But let's remember
00:34:16.340 that every eye
00:34:17.020 and every knee shall bow
00:34:17.960 and every name
00:34:18.600 to confess that He is Lord
00:34:20.640 never
00:34:23.440 Never
00:34:23.520 What happened?
00:34:23.800 Well이고
00:34:24.700 it's
00:34:25.840 never
00:34:26.940 get away from me
00:34:28.320 A
00:34:28.840 l
00:34:29.380 l
00:34:29.680 l
00:34:30.320 l
00:34:31.160 l
00:34:31.700 l
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