Ali Dawah - September 15, 2024

＂WHY DON'T YOU WALK NAKED？＂ - MUSLIM & ATHEIST DEBATE

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In this episode, I speak with two sisters, Faizal and Sarah, about their journey of leaving Islam and how they came to the realization that there is more to life than what they thought. We discuss the importance of self-awareness and the role of the mind in our daily lives.

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00:00:00.000 But making women cover up for things that God naturally gave them is inherently sexualizing. 0.74

00:00:04.220 No, no, no. Okay, then why don't we walk around naked?

00:00:06.360 That's just decency and modesty.

00:00:08.120 With the restrictions that Islam places on it, like covering your entire mouth. 1.00

00:00:11.300 Where does morality come from?

00:00:13.220 Because what you've said is now, for example, who decides, 0.98

00:00:15.980 okay, argument, why can't a woman not show her nipples? 1.00

00:00:19.080 A man can go topless. 0.99

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00:00:37.760 So what's your name?

00:00:38.640 Faizal.

00:00:39.140 Faizal and sister?

00:00:40.760 Faizal.

00:00:41.380 Oh, Faizal and Faizal.

00:00:42.940 Yeah.

00:00:43.420 Sorry.

00:00:44.540 No, sorry, what is Sarah?

00:00:46.200 Sorry.

00:00:46.500 Sarah? Okay, nice.

00:00:47.180 Okay, so let's start off with, okay, let's do a question each other.

00:00:51.780 What? You said you was a Muslim.

00:00:53.540 Yeah.

00:00:53.980 Used to be.

00:00:54.760 Used to be, yeah.

00:00:55.600 Yeah, sure.

00:00:55.960 What caused you to, I was not Muslim 11 years ago.

00:00:58.940 I came to Islam 11 years ago.

00:01:00.300 Oh, okay.

00:01:00.820 Yeah, yeah.

00:01:01.320 So I believed, I always believed in God, but I had no religion.

00:01:04.060 Yeah, I mean, wait, what was your question, sorry?

00:01:06.460 So basically, what caused you to leave Islam?

00:01:09.720 Just that I just didn't really ever really believe in it.

00:01:12.280 When I was ever practicing it, ever, whenever I go to mosque or pray and stuff,

00:01:15.640 I just didn't really, like, believe in it in the sense of, like, I didn't really actually

00:01:19.380 believe there was an Allah up in the, like, up there, like, a God in general.

00:01:23.640 Yeah.

00:01:23.760 And when I became older, I just started to question it more and question some of the practices,

00:01:27.220 I guess, and, like, see how other people are treated in other Middle Eastern countries.

00:01:31.460 Like, in the Middle East, you know how it's illegal to be gay, like, adultery, being punished

00:01:34.980 by stoning.

00:01:36.180 And so I just didn't really agree with that.

00:01:37.640 And I thought that was very implicated in the way they implemented Syrian law.

00:01:40.540 And overall, the concept of Islam, just something that I didn't really agree with, I didn't

00:01:43.780 really practice.

00:01:44.600 So I just thought, why would I believe in something I don't practice I actually believe in in my

00:01:48.680 heart?

00:01:49.000 So it's interesting, because the thing is, I was in a similar place in the sense where

00:01:52.260 I always believed in a higher power.

00:01:54.340 But...

00:01:54.620 It's like agnostic.

00:01:56.000 I was...

00:01:56.400 No, I believed in God.

00:01:57.580 Yeah.

00:01:57.740 So I was a theist.

00:01:58.660 I was a theist, yeah.

00:01:59.520 Yeah.

00:01:59.700 So I was a theist, but to me, I was like, what's the purpose of life?

00:02:02.860 It's like, this very place, I used to come clubbing every week myself.

00:02:05.880 Partying, all that kind of stuff.

00:02:06.920 But I came to a point where I was like, there's more to life.

00:02:09.100 I can't just be living my life like this.

00:02:11.020 I mean, my socks have more of a purpose.

00:02:12.820 Can you imagine my socks have a purpose?

00:02:14.100 I don't have a purpose.

00:02:15.060 I was like, this is...

00:02:15.720 It's not good.

00:02:16.660 Okay.

00:02:17.200 I mean, it's not a really nice thing to say by yourself.

00:02:19.000 No, but it's a very important thing to say.

00:02:20.660 Because as a human, like, you don't need to have a purpose.

00:02:22.500 You're just in here to help people and be nice.

00:02:24.520 Like, why do you have a purpose?

00:02:25.360 But that is a purpose.

00:02:26.620 So what you said there about helping people is a purpose, correct?

00:02:30.400 Okay, but nothing to do with religion.

00:02:31.880 You don't need religion to be good. 1.00

00:02:32.980 It's a lot more to do with nature and empathy.

00:02:34.680 We can come to that.

00:02:35.360 But the point is this.

00:02:37.420 Myself, when I look at myself, I believe I'm designed.

00:02:39.880 I'm complex in design, yeah?

00:02:41.500 When I look at my socks, my socks are also designed.

00:02:43.800 Maybe not as complex as myself, but I was asking myself, how could my mere socks have

00:02:49.020 a design, have a purpose, have a designer, but me as a human being who's far more complex

00:02:54.200 in design, who can think for himself, make decisions, has a will, I'm just here randomly

00:02:59.260 and I don't know what I'm doing.

00:03:00.520 Nah, I was like, I can't accept that.

00:03:01.900 So that's when I started looking for my purpose.

00:03:03.740 Now, your question, I think, would you say you came from more of a cultural background

00:03:08.060 where Islam was just told to you to just pray, without explanation?

00:03:11.780 I would definitely say that.

00:03:12.720 I would definitely want to say that, like, living in London as well, probably also influenced

00:03:16.780 me more than what, if I lived in Saudi Arabia, I'd probably be more of a Muslim then.

00:03:20.440 I'd probably come to a different conclusion in Saudi Arabia.

00:03:23.100 Not necessarily.

00:03:24.120 Well, probably.

00:03:24.700 Because if you live in London, can I just, if you live in London, you're exposed to more

00:03:28.820 people, you're exposed to more belief.

00:03:30.360 There's not really, like, an incentive to practice compared to Saudi Arabia, where they

00:03:34.100 implement an Islamic State and the national religion there is Islam.

00:03:37.440 Compared to here, where it's more Christianity, it's more secular.

00:03:39.540 So there would be a difference in whether you come to believe in Islam.

00:03:41.820 That would impact that, don't you think?

00:03:43.060 Okay, let me tell you something.

00:03:44.140 Let me know if I'm wrong.

00:03:44.760 Now, this argument, which it is partially true, that your environment can have an impact

00:03:49.840 on your decision-making factors, which I'm going to come to later.

00:03:52.720 I was born in the UK.

00:03:54.540 Yeah. 0.54

00:03:54.740 My family hates Islam. 1.00

00:03:56.680 Hates Islam. 1.00

00:03:57.540 Like, deep, deep hatred. 0.96

00:03:58.820 Because of some issues back in the days.

00:04:00.960 I became a Muslim.

00:04:02.660 With all of those factors around me.

00:04:04.100 Yeah.

00:04:04.200 Cubbing, partying, all that kind of stuff.

00:04:05.460 I mean, I'm not saying that can't be true.

00:04:06.740 No, no, no.

00:04:07.200 So my argument is the following.

00:04:08.160 There are people in Mecca, you know Mecca, where we do pilgrimage, that have not gone and

00:04:12.700 performed pilgrimage once.

00:04:14.520 Yeah.

00:04:14.700 You live in the city, bro.

00:04:16.440 The Kaaba is 10 minutes away from you, but they have not, they haven't gone to Hajj, let 1.00

00:04:23.000 alone, they don't even pray.

00:04:24.500 So to me, partially true and partially not, in the sense, your external factors can have

00:04:28.900 an influence too, yes.

00:04:29.580 But ultimately, if you are someone who is seeking the truth, if they put you in an island full

00:04:34.300 of atheists, you will believe in God. 0.89

00:04:37.160 So partially, I agree, and partially not.

00:04:39.600 It's one's determination in finding the truth.

00:04:41.700 But then if you're put in a land of Muslims, you might not end up believing in God anyway. 1.00

00:04:45.400 So isn't that...

00:04:45.820 Good.

00:04:46.180 So that's my point.

00:04:47.000 When I'm mixing Saudi Arabia, majority Muslim, there are atheists there. 0.99

00:04:50.420 That's the case here as well.

00:04:52.180 Okay, good.

00:04:52.520 In London, there are Muslims.

00:04:53.200 So you know there's a difference between believing in God and believing in religion.

00:04:55.940 Because we believe in a creator.

00:04:56.980 Believing in religion is a whole different thing. 0.52

00:04:58.680 Well, I believe...

00:04:59.580 Sarah?

00:05:00.240 Sarah?

00:05:00.860 Sarah, yeah.

00:05:01.360 Sarah.

00:05:01.540 I believe you do follow a religion.

00:05:04.260 No, I believe in God.

00:05:06.120 No, no, no.

00:05:06.580 I believe you follow a religion as...

00:05:08.340 Would you say you're atheist?

00:05:09.860 No, I believe in God.

00:05:11.320 Atheist, but you don't believe in God.

00:05:11.980 So you believe in God?

00:05:13.180 You're a theist.

00:05:13.780 I believe in God, but I don't believe in religion.

00:05:15.340 It's like agnostic.

00:05:16.320 Agnostic is like... 1.00

00:05:17.360 Agnostic is when you make you... 0.96

00:05:18.100 No, no, no.

00:05:18.760 Agnostic is more like there's a power there.

00:05:20.200 I don't know what it is.

00:05:20.960 Agnostic is more of a personal God.

00:05:23.140 Yes.

00:05:23.640 Okay, good.

00:05:23.980 So are you a...

00:05:25.760 I would say I'm an atheist, yeah.

00:05:27.100 Okay, you're an atheist.

00:05:27.580 So, I believe that both of you follow a religion.

00:05:30.920 How?

00:05:31.440 Let me make my argument, yeah?

00:05:32.820 If I asked you, how do you believe this universe came to me?

00:05:36.320 Evolution, natural selection, big man theory, science.

00:05:39.040 It's Mother Nature.

00:05:39.840 Brilliant.

00:05:40.580 So, that, to you, what you've done is...

00:05:43.800 The difference between me and you is the following.

00:05:45.240 I believe there is a creator that has the will that brought this into existence.

00:05:49.220 You believe it's natural selection.

00:05:51.660 Yeah.

00:05:52.020 Random chance.

00:05:53.340 And evolution that brought it.

00:05:54.460 So what you called God is Mother Nature.

00:05:56.700 I call God of who he is.

00:05:58.460 So you're giving the credit to Mother Nature.

00:05:59.820 I'm giving the credit to God.

00:06:01.060 Now, when it comes to how you live your life, let me ask you a question.

00:06:03.720 Do you drink alcohol?

00:06:05.360 Not really, no.

00:06:07.080 Occasionally?

00:06:08.240 No.

00:06:08.900 Okay, that's good.

00:06:09.740 Do you eat pork?

00:06:11.460 No.

00:06:12.100 Okay.

00:06:12.660 So, what is your dietary like?

00:06:14.460 Can you eat any kind of food?

00:06:16.920 I usually...

00:06:17.680 I don't really, like, think about it.

00:06:19.020 I just, like, take...

00:06:19.980 I tried to...

00:06:20.440 I've tried to eat healthier recently, but, like...

00:06:22.040 So, can I quickly say something?

00:06:22.820 Like, I think you're trying to, like, get an answer, like, that he might drink alcohol.

00:06:27.040 But alcohol, though, I know there are some benefits to alcohol.

00:06:29.600 Like, just like there's some...

00:06:30.640 Like, you're eating junk food.

00:06:32.300 Junk food also is really bad for you.

00:06:33.560 But, like, in moderation, it's actually bad.

00:06:35.840 Like, I think even atheists, they would agree that too much alcohol is bad for you.

00:06:38.800 No one's, like, arguing that it's...

00:06:40.320 But, like, to completely cut it off is, like...

00:06:42.540 And music is also haram as well.

00:06:44.560 Which, it literally, like, helps people get out of depression.

00:06:47.740 Like, help them cope with, like, rape and stuff like that.

00:06:49.860 So I don't understand why something is so beautiful.

00:06:51.660 That brings the whole community...

00:06:52.800 Music is one thing that brings people together.

00:06:54.640 And food.

00:06:55.180 So, like, why would that something...

00:06:56.800 So, I'm going into a different topic of people, like...

00:06:58.500 No, no, I think you made a valid point.

00:06:59.440 The reason I asked that was when I...

00:07:01.220 Because my argument was to prove that you follow a religion.

00:07:03.020 Which was that...

00:07:03.940 No, not that...

00:07:04.400 Look, when you look at alcohol, there's new studies that show

00:07:06.180 any kind of alcohol is harmful for you.

00:07:08.500 Not only that it plays a direct result in breast cancer.

00:07:11.480 Alcohol.

00:07:11.960 Even...

00:07:12.360 Too much alcohol.

00:07:13.360 No, no, no.

00:07:13.960 Not just any bit.

00:07:14.920 Well, I feel like alcohol in general can increase that, but...

00:07:17.080 Recent studies, you can check in science journalism, you can check it, that any kind of alcohol

00:07:22.680 has been established now as...

00:07:24.040 Not even, you know, like, oh, I just have...

00:07:26.580 Every...

00:07:27.320 All kind of alcohol has been determined as harmful to you.

00:07:29.140 You know why?

00:07:29.600 Because nobody starts with just...

00:07:31.140 I'm just going to have one.

00:07:31.980 It always leads to that.

00:07:33.060 But that's not my argument.

00:07:33.760 My argument is the following.

00:07:34.900 To your lifestyle, you can...

00:07:36.700 If you want, you can drink alcohol.

00:07:38.200 I am told alcohol is not permissible.

00:07:39.860 If you want, you can eat any kind of meat.

00:07:41.940 I am told not to eat pork.

00:07:43.520 The difference is not in many...

00:07:45.460 It's not that different.

00:07:46.260 Which is why I'm mentioning this.

00:07:47.700 You follow a way of life.

00:07:49.340 I follow a way of life.

00:07:50.360 Well, it's mainly the issue that follows a way of life.

00:07:51.960 I don't really follow a way of life.

00:07:53.000 I just live my life.

00:07:53.520 And we don't, like, disrespect people.

00:07:54.160 There's a difference between...

00:07:54.920 Sorry, there's a difference between...

00:07:56.100 Islam is, like, very... 1.00

00:07:56.900 Like, Islam is, like, a set of foundational principles.

00:07:58.440 It's not Islam, but Muslims. 1.00

00:07:59.520 Muslims are very... 1.00

00:08:00.160 It can be very... 0.54

00:08:01.100 Yeah.

00:08:01.440 They can be judgmental.

00:08:02.480 Judgmental.

00:08:02.680 I feel like that comes from the religion itself.

00:08:06.160 And I feel like the difference between a religion and someone who doesn't believe in a religion

00:08:08.780 is that there's no restrictions on you when you live a...

00:08:10.940 When you are an atheist, there's no restrictions on what you can do.

00:08:13.660 So you're nobody living a certain way of life.

00:08:15.680 You're not restricted.

00:08:16.800 You're just living life, not living a certain set of standards.

00:08:18.760 That's my point.

00:08:19.660 So you not having standards is your way of life.

00:08:22.840 Us having standards that we cannot do is my way of life.

00:08:25.480 We both have a way of life that has different terms and conditions.

00:08:29.040 That's my argument.

00:08:30.020 When somebody comes and says, you are a Muslim, you follow a religion,

00:08:33.120 I say, hold on a second.

00:08:34.060 As an atheist, you also follow a religion.

00:08:36.320 That's not the same thing as religion anyway.

00:08:38.520 It's a way of life though.

00:08:39.900 That's not the same thing as religion.

00:08:40.940 That's like saying, if you're a vegetarian, that's a way of life,

00:08:43.440 but they don't believe in...

00:08:44.300 That doesn't mean they believe in like a plant god, does it?

00:08:47.060 No, no, it's not.

00:08:47.880 But the thing is, they are following a way of life.

00:08:49.800 My argument is the following.

00:08:51.460 We have the creation telling us what to do,

00:08:53.960 and then we have the creator telling us what to do.

00:08:56.280 My argument is that when people come to this impression

00:08:58.640 and think that as Muslims, we follow a god,

00:09:01.560 and they don't, I'm like, okay,

00:09:03.280 because Allah tells us in the Quran,

00:09:04.240 have you seen the one that has one master

00:09:06.660 compared to the one who has multiple masters?

00:09:09.060 What does that mean?

00:09:09.920 That means, for example,

00:09:11.240 would you agree that your societal pressures,

00:09:15.080 peer pressure, the things that you watch,

00:09:17.120 have an impact on your decision-making factors?

00:09:19.720 Yeah.

00:09:20.160 That's the case.

00:09:20.640 Good.

00:09:21.260 So that means you are not actually necessarily free.

00:09:23.340 When you come and say, I'm an atheist,

00:09:24.400 I choose to do A.

00:09:25.700 I say, not really,

00:09:26.500 because when I was not a believer in any religion,

00:09:29.600 let me tell you something.

00:09:30.300 The way I dressed was impacted by my society.

00:09:33.420 It wasn't because I wanted to,

00:09:35.220 it was because I believed I looked good in something,

00:09:37.760 which, like, I always give this example,

00:09:39.600 I had this specific jumper that I believed I looked really good in.

00:09:41.640 I used to go to the clubs here,

00:09:42.640 there used to be a penthouse club up there, yeah?

00:09:44.760 I used to wear this jumper that was so uncomfortable,

00:09:47.840 but I used to wear it because I believed I looked good in it.

00:09:49.940 I would go and do extra hours and work.

00:09:51.960 Why?

00:09:52.300 So I can fund a specific lifestyle.

00:09:54.580 Why?

00:09:55.060 Because of opposite gender, etc.

00:09:56.680 So was I actually free?

00:09:58.640 No, I wasn't.

00:09:59.260 External factors were playing a role in the way I dress,

00:10:02.100 the way my hair looks,

00:10:02.880 the way I go gym,

00:10:03.820 and all of these factors.

00:10:05.040 So when we come and say,

00:10:06.460 oh, I'm free,

00:10:07.380 not necessarily.

00:10:08.320 The difference is the following.

00:10:09.580 One follows the creation,

00:10:11.300 one follows the creator.

00:10:12.460 Now when I follow the creator,

00:10:13.840 Islam,

00:10:14.200 which we'll come to,

00:10:14.740 let's get an argument to go there,

00:10:16.380 if God exists because you're an atheist,

00:10:18.140 is that Allah tells me,

00:10:19.940 this is what you can do,

00:10:21.000 this is what you can't do.

00:10:22.160 I'm like, that's good,

00:10:22.780 because before,

00:10:23.640 I used to follow multiple people.

00:10:25.320 Girls, 0.91

00:10:26.680 peer pressure,

00:10:27.580 trying to be rich,

00:10:28.340 trying to be that,

00:10:29.040 now I have...

00:10:29.740 Real girls are real, 0.99

00:10:30.920 that's something,

00:10:31.540 technically you can see them.

00:10:32.880 God, like,

00:10:33.500 if you're being genuinely honest,

00:10:34.860 there's not a million percent

00:10:36.400 that you know about God.

00:10:37.540 I mean,

00:10:37.820 it's so hard to believe in it.

00:10:38.300 You're right,

00:10:38.780 there's not a million percent,

00:10:39.480 there's a billion percent.

00:10:40.080 What we can see is what's there.

00:10:42.340 No, okay,

00:10:43.120 sister,

00:10:43.360 let me give you an example.

00:10:44.100 Sorry,

00:10:44.260 let me give you an example.

00:10:44.820 Sorry, forgive me.

00:10:45.440 Let me give you an example,

00:10:46.260 just a section on this.

00:10:47.400 Are you telling me that

00:10:48.380 you only believe in things you see?

00:10:50.640 I'm not saying that.

00:10:51.740 Okay, so I'll ask you a question.

00:10:53.160 Do you see...

00:10:53.560 I mean, something like God,

00:10:54.640 you'd have to, like,

00:10:55.280 really have some mass...

00:10:56.360 Because, you know,

00:10:56.700 there's so much rules in Islam,

00:10:57.960 there's something that's so, like,

00:10:59.400 restrictive.

00:11:00.140 I need something absolutely,

00:11:01.540 like, tangible for me to see,

00:11:02.620 to believe in it.

00:11:03.220 Okay, so...

00:11:03.620 For a man,

00:11:04.300 you could dress like that,

00:11:05.100 but I can't just, like,

00:11:05.820 I can't wear trousers,

00:11:06.400 I can't wear...

00:11:06.700 There's lots of...

00:11:07.260 No, no, I have to cover,

00:11:07.880 I have to cover from my neighbor to my knee.

00:11:08.960 I need a source, yeah,

00:11:09.380 that's...

00:11:09.980 I have to.

00:11:10.380 It's not serious,

00:11:10.880 it's the UK.

00:11:11.560 No, no, no, no.

00:11:12.140 It's not serious,

00:11:14.220 that's weird,

00:11:14.580 I don't have to wear a job,

00:11:15.680 I have to...

00:11:16.380 It's a women's, like, body, 1.00

00:11:18.220 I'm sorry,

00:11:18.820 why doesn't the God,

00:11:19.900 why doesn't the, like,

00:11:20.540 Quran focus on the fact 0.99

00:11:21.360 that men need to, like, 0.92

00:11:22.660 control themselves,

00:11:24.300 not just, oh,

00:11:25.080 lower your gaze,

00:11:25.700 it's nothing.

00:11:26.520 Maybe put the emphasis on them,

00:11:28.520 maybe, like,

00:11:29.120 gay education. 0.94

00:11:30.360 Why is all the... 0.98

00:11:31.020 Islam is the only religion, 1.00

00:11:33.480 no, I believe the Western 0.99

00:11:34.260 will sexualize this woman. 0.99

00:11:35.840 The Western woman is the one, 1.00

00:11:36.860 every time.

00:11:37.860 Let me tell you something.

00:11:38.400 But making women cover up 0.98

00:11:39.980 for things that God

00:11:40.700 naturally gave them

00:11:41.360 is inherently sexualizing.

00:11:42.340 No, no, no,

00:11:42.880 okay, then why do we

00:11:43.700 walk around naked?

00:11:45.500 Because we cover up.

00:11:46.800 That's just decency and modesty.

00:11:48.560 Okay.

00:11:48.960 Kids, decency, modesty.

00:11:50.800 Okay, why is that wrong?

00:11:52.780 They were born naked.

00:11:54.660 Do you get it?

00:11:55.360 So where does...

00:11:55.640 But even then,

00:11:56.200 with the restrictions

00:11:57.160 that there's not places on it,

00:11:58.340 like covering your...

00:11:59.020 Where does morality come from?

00:12:01.180 Because what you've said is now,

00:12:02.480 for example,

00:12:03.160 who decides,

00:12:03.940 okay, argument,

00:12:04.760 why can't a woman 1.00

00:12:05.440 not show her nipples? 0.99

00:12:07.080 A man can go topless. 1.00

00:12:08.420 I mean,

00:12:08.680 there's different reasons, but...

00:12:09.680 I mean, of course,

00:12:10.340 because men can do

00:12:11.100 whatever they want.

00:12:11.960 Okay, but why?

00:12:12.720 So this is Western society, though. 0.98

00:12:13.740 Because women sexualize men 1.00

00:12:14.740 who have a shirtless. 0.89

00:12:16.500 So why...

00:12:17.200 How is that?

00:12:17.620 I don't understand.

00:12:18.560 And also,

00:12:19.060 lesbians can see girls 0.99

00:12:20.160 wear hijab, 0.90

00:12:20.780 but they're also sexualizing men. 0.99

00:12:22.680 So I don't really understand

00:12:23.360 that as well.

00:12:23.400 Also, times change over time.

00:12:24.400 It used to be,

00:12:25.040 100 years ago,

00:12:25.660 it used to be that women 1.00

00:12:26.540 can wear trousers,

00:12:28.500 for example,

00:12:28.960 but now in Western society,

00:12:30.060 they can.

00:12:30.600 So environment,

00:12:31.260 and the times change over time,

00:12:32.420 so that can also factor

00:12:33.200 into why they...

00:12:33.960 It doesn't have to be religion.

00:12:35.580 It can mainly just be...

00:12:36.460 My argument is the following.

00:12:37.500 Let's first just deal

00:12:38.360 with it one by one.

00:12:39.100 You said about seeing God.

00:12:40.460 Are you telling me that,

00:12:41.480 for example,

00:12:41.960 what you see,

00:12:42.660 touch, feel, taste, hear

00:12:43.580 is the only things

00:12:44.380 you believe in?

00:12:44.980 Because I'll ask you a question.

00:12:46.040 Can you see your consciousness?

00:12:48.100 No.

00:12:48.800 But do you believe

00:12:49.360 you're conscious?

00:12:50.580 Yes, but that's something

00:12:51.500 that's like proven.

00:12:53.120 How is it proven?

00:12:53.660 It's proven by scientific

00:12:54.720 studies of the brain.

00:12:56.300 Yeah, it is.

00:12:57.560 Prove to me any scientist.

00:12:58.620 Scientists have a big

00:12:59.440 question mark.

00:13:00.180 Because as soon as you get

00:13:00.680 hit in the head by a bullet, 0.99

00:13:01.800 you die. 1.00

00:13:02.700 No, but still,

00:13:03.220 there's a big connection.

00:13:04.020 Is it connected to the brain?

00:13:04.880 There's a whole discussion

00:13:05.600 called the heart.

00:13:06.160 There's a whole book

00:13:07.540 written on called

00:13:07.980 The Heart Problem of Consciousness.

00:13:09.340 Is it connected to the brain

00:13:10.100 or not?

00:13:10.320 Let me just make this argument.

00:13:13.180 It's the following.

00:13:13.800 For example,

00:13:14.300 you do know that

00:13:14.820 our cells renew itself.

00:13:15.780 All of our cells in our body.

00:13:16.760 Yeah.

00:13:17.180 Okay, then why don't we

00:13:18.000 become somebody else

00:13:18.680 when the cells in our brain

00:13:19.640 renew itself?

00:13:19.840 But that's not how cells work.

00:13:21.400 Cells over time.

00:13:22.300 They renew themselves.

00:13:23.180 Yeah.

00:13:24.000 So then why don't I

00:13:24.600 become somebody else?

00:13:26.280 Because that's not how

00:13:26.760 cells would work.

00:13:27.560 They don't just make you

00:13:28.600 become a whole entire person.

00:13:29.740 You're the same person.

00:13:30.460 You're just shedding cells

00:13:31.120 over time.

00:13:32.100 And that's just a

00:13:32.700 normal human process.

00:13:33.480 It's not going to make you

00:13:35.840 become a whole person.

00:13:38.100 That whole different person.

00:13:38.680 But if my consciousness

00:13:39.280 is connected to my brain

00:13:40.060 and my brain are made out of cells

00:13:40.980 and if cells renew itself,

00:13:42.420 my argument is that

00:13:43.060 consciousness,

00:13:43.600 there's a whole discussion

00:13:44.400 on it that it's connected

00:13:45.180 to the brain.

00:13:45.800 My point is this.

00:13:46.460 There are things we believe

00:13:47.260 in that we don't see.

00:13:48.140 Dark matter.

00:13:49.020 Dark matter is something

00:13:49.840 that we cannot see,

00:13:50.700 touch, feel, taste or hear.

00:13:51.860 But we see the effects of it.

00:13:53.020 Well, scientists study

00:13:53.800 dark matter and they

00:13:54.700 come to conclusions about it.

00:13:56.380 So we get our information

00:13:57.220 from them.

00:13:57.720 That's the same thing.

00:13:58.840 Sorry?

00:13:59.240 What's the conclusion

00:13:59.720 they came to?

00:14:00.180 That we cannot observe it.

00:14:01.900 We can't observe it.

00:14:02.860 But we see the effects of it.

00:14:04.080 We see the effects

00:14:04.540 but we don't know

00:14:05.620 that God exists.

00:14:07.200 We can see the effects

00:14:07.880 of dark matter

00:14:08.440 but we don't know

00:14:09.580 that God exists himself

00:14:10.600 to see his effects

00:14:12.420 on our world.

00:14:13.180 We do because

00:14:13.620 we are the effect.

00:14:15.220 So when I say

00:14:15.660 we can't see dark matter.

00:14:15.960 But you can't just say it

00:14:16.560 without any proof.

00:14:17.660 I am.

00:14:18.260 I'm using science

00:14:18.960 as an example

00:14:19.480 that they cannot observe

00:14:20.460 dark matter.

00:14:21.000 Look, they cannot see

00:14:21.840 dark matter.

00:14:22.480 They cannot touch dark matter.

00:14:23.600 They cannot smell dark matter.

00:14:24.700 They cannot hear dark matter.

00:14:25.840 They cannot feel dark matter.

00:14:27.020 But they believe

00:14:27.700 dark matter exists.

00:14:29.080 Answer the question.

00:14:29.840 Can we see God?

00:14:30.520 I don't really think

00:14:31.080 that's how it works.

00:14:32.000 I'm going to be honest.

00:14:32.580 No, but that's not

00:14:33.080 that's a fact.

00:14:34.320 We cannot see dark matter.

00:14:34.600 That's not really

00:14:35.080 how science works.

00:14:35.900 Science is supposed

00:14:36.560 to be observable.

00:14:38.020 No, but that's my point.

00:14:39.080 That's what I'm seeing.

00:14:39.920 In science literature

00:14:40.880 there's deduction as well.

00:14:42.500 Yes?

00:14:42.800 So the point is that

00:14:43.700 they come to the fact

00:14:44.780 that they see the effects

00:14:45.780 of dark matter

00:14:46.480 even though they don't

00:14:47.520 observe it with their five senses

00:14:48.380 because like you said

00:14:49.000 science is all about observing.

00:14:50.360 Even though they don't

00:14:51.400 they see the remnants of it.

00:14:53.320 It's the same with God.

00:14:54.340 You don't see

00:14:54.800 touch, feel, taste, or hear God.

00:14:55.880 You're placing the effects

00:14:56.840 of the world on God

00:14:57.820 when you don't know

00:14:58.280 if it's God doing that

00:14:58.940 in the first place.

00:14:59.460 No, but I have evidence for that.

00:15:00.660 The first thing I'm mentioning

00:15:01.340 You can't just say

00:15:01.720 our world is the evidence though

00:15:02.880 because that's just

00:15:03.540 No, of course I can.

00:15:04.640 That's like, okay

00:15:05.320 so I could say

00:15:06.040 I could say the Christian God

00:15:07.260 is the same thing.

00:15:08.020 He's the reason for this.

00:15:09.320 So the gods are helping us.

00:15:10.780 There's multiple different gods.

00:15:11.900 There's a really strong evidence

00:15:12.680 that God exists.

00:15:13.020 Yeah.

00:15:13.760 Firstly

00:15:14.080 It is all loving.

00:15:15.120 It really should be helping you.

00:15:16.000 Firstly, we have to agree

00:15:17.360 that just because you don't see

00:15:18.460 something doesn't mean

00:15:19.040 it doesn't exist

00:15:19.520 because I gave the example

00:15:20.580 of consciousness and dark matter.

00:15:22.080 Two things that we don't see

00:15:22.940 what we believe exists.

00:15:23.720 Yeah, but there's no evidence

00:15:24.700 that God exists.

00:15:25.460 There's none.

00:15:25.840 But to be consistent

00:15:27.620 we accept consciousness

00:15:29.120 and dark matter

00:15:30.020 exist without us observing it.

00:15:31.660 There's studies done on both.

00:15:33.040 There's studies done on both.

00:15:34.060 That

00:15:34.300 To observe the results of them

00:15:35.560 and then to see

00:15:36.140 like what they can

00:15:37.100 There is not a single study

00:15:38.240 that is done on dark matter

00:15:39.280 or consciousness

00:15:39.820 that's to say

00:15:40.540 that we can see it.

00:15:41.840 Zero.

00:15:42.620 Yeah, but you can look

00:15:43.340 inside the brain

00:15:43.900 to see how the brain works

00:15:44.920 and how it practices

00:15:45.540 You can put wires

00:15:46.700 in the brain and see

00:15:47.460 We can see our brain

00:15:48.160 and we can see how

00:15:49.540 different parts of the brain

00:15:50.800 interact with each other

00:15:51.800 and how they create

00:15:52.760 our consciousness.

00:15:53.220 You can't do that with God.

00:15:54.140 You can't study God.

00:15:55.300 When you put

00:15:55.880 When they see

00:15:56.500 put things in your head

00:15:57.640 and they see

00:15:58.340 how your brain activity works

00:15:59.500 I am talking about

00:16:00.660 consciousness.

00:16:01.360 It is immaterial.

00:16:03.060 Consciousness is immaterial.

00:16:04.600 Dark matter is immaterial.

00:16:06.140 What I'm saying is

00:16:06.760 we see the effects of it.

00:16:08.040 Now, I'm saying

00:16:08.920 can we see God?

00:16:09.860 No.

00:16:10.160 Can we touch God?

00:16:10.940 No.

00:16:11.220 Can we feel God?

00:16:11.900 No.

00:16:12.080 Can we taste God?

00:16:12.720 No.

00:16:13.240 But we still

00:16:14.100 if we're consistent

00:16:15.460 if you accept dark matter

00:16:16.980 and consciousness

00:16:17.500 without seeing

00:16:18.100 touching, feeling, tasting

00:16:18.860 or hearing

00:16:19.140 why is there a double standard

00:16:20.700 when it comes to God?

00:16:21.380 I don't think that's really how it works.

00:16:21.940 Dark matter is a whole other thing.

00:16:24.080 And especially when

00:16:25.160 dark matter and consciousness

00:16:26.280 are different processes

00:16:27.700 that there are studies

00:16:29.200 done in them

00:16:29.620 and there are ways

00:16:30.660 to physically see them

00:16:31.560 if you think of

00:16:32.140 the consciousness

00:16:32.540 in the brain.

00:16:33.000 There is no...

00:16:33.820 Okay, well,

00:16:34.300 disagree.

00:16:34.880 No, no, no,

00:16:35.560 not disagree.

00:16:36.060 There is not a single study.

00:16:38.020 I'm just genuinely...

00:16:39.060 Not just to win an argument.

00:16:40.540 Genuinely,

00:16:41.260 there is not a single study

00:16:42.880 that says...

00:16:42.960 So all the studies...

00:16:43.960 There is not a single study

00:16:45.080 that says we can observe dark matter.

00:16:46.160 So all the studies

00:16:46.540 on the brain

00:16:47.160 on how that works,

00:16:48.360 how that...

00:16:48.900 How people when...

00:16:50.860 I feel like there's a lot of things.

00:16:51.800 No, I know,

00:16:52.440 but in order for us

00:16:53.420 to establish everything

00:16:54.740 when it comes to morality,

00:16:55.920 how dressing, etc.,

00:16:56.640 it all starts here.

00:16:57.640 My point is this.

00:16:58.860 You guys believe

00:16:59.660 in things you don't see

00:17:00.540 but when it comes to God

00:17:01.580 you say no.

00:17:02.000 Because people study them

00:17:03.200 and they observe the effects of them

00:17:04.500 and they study them.

00:17:05.460 We can see like...

00:17:06.140 For the consciousness, for example,

00:17:07.360 we can be inside the brain

00:17:09.080 and see how different...

00:17:09.900 I'm talking about consciousness.

00:17:10.620 I'm not talking about the brain.

00:17:11.340 But consciousness is from the brain.

00:17:12.440 No, it's not.

00:17:12.880 That's what I'm saying.

00:17:13.400 Why would it be from the brain?

00:17:14.460 That's my point.

00:17:15.160 That's what I'm saying

00:17:15.780 is that consciousness...

00:17:16.940 There's a whole discussion

00:17:17.640 called the hard problem of consciousness.

00:17:19.260 It is not...

00:17:19.720 There's a whole discussion about it.

00:17:21.140 Big scientists are discovering.

00:17:22.720 My argument is the following.

00:17:23.980 Just because you cannot see something

00:17:25.800 does not mean it doesn't exist.

00:17:27.620 That's the first premise I'm making

00:17:29.220 so we can move on.

00:17:30.520 Me proving God.

00:17:31.120 God proving God is very easy for me.

00:17:33.080 The first thing I'm trying to establish is this.

00:17:34.840 We as human beings

00:17:35.780 believe in things we don't see.

00:17:37.420 Well, not all of us.

00:17:39.180 No?

00:17:39.840 I mean...

00:17:40.560 No, no.

00:17:40.740 We have to...

00:17:41.500 Like gravitational force.

00:17:43.320 There are many things that we...

00:17:44.500 It's like human things.

00:17:45.240 You can...

00:17:45.480 I understand.

00:17:46.320 But let's be consistent.

00:17:47.120 I'm saying,

00:17:47.740 if we're going to apply that to other places,

00:17:49.540 why is it when it comes to God?

00:17:50.660 No, I have to seem to believe.

00:17:51.820 But you don't deal with other things.

00:17:52.840 Because God is demanding so much stuff.

00:17:54.920 God matters.

00:17:55.720 It's a choice.

00:17:56.260 And then when he says he's creating everything,

00:17:58.540 and we have to follow his book,

00:17:59.680 we need to see evidence that he exists.

00:18:02.340 Okay, good.

00:18:02.840 Your holy book is not enough for that.

00:18:04.400 Perfect.

00:18:04.700 That's like saying...

00:18:05.320 That's the same argument as Christians. 1.00

00:18:07.180 As Christians saying the same thing.

00:18:09.040 I'm not saying that.

00:18:09.860 I'm saying,

00:18:10.640 let's be consistent.

00:18:12.180 We don't see consciousness.

00:18:13.860 We believe in it.

00:18:14.840 We don't see dark matter.

00:18:15.840 We believe in it.

00:18:16.560 So therefore, with God,

00:18:17.640 when we don't see it,

00:18:18.700 you cannot deny him.

00:18:19.800 Now I can prove to you,

00:18:21.120 God exists.

00:18:21.840 Okay, prove it.

00:18:22.340 Okay, so the first thing we establish is

00:18:24.260 that if we don't see something,

00:18:25.300 it does not mean it doesn't exist.

00:18:26.420 Now I'll prove to you God exists.

00:18:28.160 For example,

00:18:28.980 number one,

00:18:29.760 do you have a mobile phone?

00:18:31.980 Yes.

00:18:32.960 Can I...

00:18:33.440 Do you mind if you take it out?

00:18:35.340 I'll take mine.

00:18:36.120 Okay, no problem.

00:18:36.560 It's fine.

00:18:37.220 I'm not...

00:18:38.020 It's London, you know.

00:18:39.080 We don't want to get our friends.

00:18:40.440 I'm on YouTube.

00:18:41.280 Like here, yeah.

00:18:41.680 Okay.

00:18:42.320 I'll give you a phone case.

00:18:43.700 It's an example, yeah?

00:18:44.520 This phone case,

00:18:45.100 does it have a shape?

00:18:46.220 Yeah.

00:18:46.960 Okay.

00:18:47.620 Does this have a design?

00:18:49.440 Yeah.

00:18:49.920 Okay.

00:18:50.180 Does it have a purpose?

00:18:51.360 Yes.

00:18:51.840 Okay, good.

00:18:52.340 Am I more complex in design

00:18:55.780 or this case?

00:18:58.240 Um, you.

00:18:59.500 Okay.

00:19:00.180 So, did you go...

00:19:01.560 Did we go to the factory

00:19:02.440 to see this phone case made?

00:19:04.920 No.

00:19:05.500 Okay.

00:19:06.080 But we do believe that it's designed

00:19:07.380 and it has a purpose

00:19:08.060 and it has a shape.

00:19:08.620 Because there's video evidence

00:19:08.920 before other phone cases

00:19:11.080 being made in factories.

00:19:12.300 That's what the case we've got, though.

00:19:13.320 Okay.

00:19:13.640 Did you go to the factory?

00:19:14.680 Well, we could.

00:19:15.100 But there's video evidence

00:19:16.100 before a factory.

00:19:16.920 We know how factory production works.

00:19:18.320 We have the extensive prior knowledge

00:19:20.140 of how factories work

00:19:20.940 and how they make phones.

00:19:21.840 We don't have the extensive prior knowledge

00:19:23.240 of how God works

00:19:24.060 and if he even exists.

00:19:25.000 So, there's video evidence of that.

00:19:26.540 We have video evidence of factories

00:19:27.600 and there's no video evidence of God.

00:19:28.780 And we can go to the factory

00:19:29.660 to see that.

00:19:30.000 Yeah, we can go to that.

00:19:30.540 We really need to see videos.

00:19:31.580 Did you guys go to the factory?

00:19:32.560 But we could.

00:19:33.080 That's the thing.

00:19:33.400 But we could, though.

00:19:34.400 Could is in the future.

00:19:35.740 I'm talking about now.

00:19:36.920 Potential.

00:19:37.320 I actually did work in a factory.

00:19:38.660 Okay, good.

00:19:39.220 So, you have experience in the factory.

00:19:40.840 Okay, and so that's...

00:19:41.560 Yes, sir, I have.

00:19:42.180 Okay, so are you telling me

00:19:43.380 that if you did not work in a factory,

00:19:44.780 you would deny that this has a design?

00:19:46.260 So, let's suppose you never saw a factory,

00:19:47.840 you never worked in a factory,

00:19:48.700 you walk and you say this on the phone

00:19:49.800 and go,

00:19:50.340 it just came from nothing.

00:19:51.660 Or would you say it has a design?

00:19:53.660 We would say,

00:19:54.900 I have extensive prior knowledge

00:19:56.160 of factories

00:19:57.120 and videos of factories

00:19:58.180 and being taught about factories

00:19:59.220 and what they are.

00:19:59.720 I said if you did not,

00:20:01.220 I said if you did not,

00:20:02.660 would you deny this has a design?

00:20:04.220 If you didn't have it.

00:20:05.180 Okay, good.

00:20:05.620 You would use your intuition

00:20:06.840 and your rational faculties

00:20:08.380 to come to common factors,

00:20:09.920 conclusions,

00:20:10.700 which is,

00:20:11.220 has a shape,

00:20:11.900 has a design,

00:20:12.560 has a purpose,

00:20:13.220 has a designer.

00:20:13.920 But then that's the same thing

00:20:14.840 with part of us.

00:20:15.420 There's other reasons for this design,

00:20:17.220 like natural selection,

00:20:18.020 evolution.

00:20:18.580 I'm going to come to that.

00:20:19.480 The purpose and the design

00:20:21.320 could be from that,

00:20:21.980 not God.

00:20:22.640 I'm going to come to my argument

00:20:23.920 why that has to be God.

00:20:25.100 My argument is the following.

00:20:26.680 If not having prior knowledge

00:20:27.880 does not deny this design,

00:20:29.780 neither you go into the factory.

00:20:31.160 Going to the factory means

00:20:31.880 I will go.

00:20:32.860 But right now you believe

00:20:33.920 it's a design without going,

00:20:35.500 which means you're using

00:20:36.640 your rational faculties

00:20:37.740 to come to conclusions

00:20:38.560 this has a design.

00:20:39.920 And I said,

00:20:40.720 are you more complex

00:20:41.560 in design or this?

00:20:42.480 So my argument is the following,

00:20:43.660 to be consistent.

00:20:44.600 If we're going to look at this

00:20:45.740 without going to the factory

00:20:47.260 or potentially going to the factory

00:20:48.820 and accept that it has a design,

00:20:50.900 you are far more complex

00:20:52.240 in design.

00:20:53.120 So the conclusion is the following.

00:20:54.500 If this is design,

00:20:55.480 you have to be designed

00:20:56.360 because you're far more complex.

00:20:57.860 Well, no,

00:20:58.280 because we have video evidence

00:20:59.320 of how the design of that

00:21:00.180 is made in the first place.

00:21:01.040 No, but I said to you...

00:21:01.620 I don't think that's a good example.

00:21:02.560 Like God in a phone case.

00:21:03.440 It's not...

00:21:03.940 I don't think that's very comparable

00:21:04.940 to God.

00:21:05.960 One second, guys.

00:21:06.840 Look, I'm saying to you,

00:21:08.080 if you did not go to the factory...

00:21:09.200 No, no, no.

00:21:10.080 Wait.

00:21:10.400 No, no, no.

00:21:11.000 Look, I'm saying...

00:21:11.680 Okay, so I'm saying that

00:21:13.600 if you had no prior knowledge

00:21:14.780 or no future knowledge

00:21:15.760 of going to the factory,

00:21:16.540 you've never been to the factory

00:21:17.480 and you haven't gone to the factory

00:21:18.620 in this very moment of time,

00:21:20.020 using our rational,

00:21:20.960 logical faculties,

00:21:21.700 we will come to a conclusion

00:21:22.740 this has a design.

00:21:23.920 I'm saying,

00:21:24.760 as human beings,

00:21:25.660 your eye is far more complex

00:21:26.900 in design

00:21:27.240 than this mere phone case.

00:21:28.720 So, if that's the case,

00:21:29.880 your eye has to have a designer.

00:21:31.560 But that designer

00:21:32.520 is natural evolution

00:21:33.700 and natural selection.

00:21:34.480 Okay, good.

00:21:34.860 So now we've done...

00:21:35.600 You've accepted

00:21:36.080 that there's a designer,

00:21:37.040 but you're saying

00:21:37.480 that it's natural evolution.

00:21:38.820 Yeah, okay.

00:21:39.080 Okay, another example

00:21:40.740 I just want to give

00:21:41.200 a supporting argument

00:21:41.860 why there is design

00:21:42.840 is your DNA.

00:21:43.920 Do you know your DNA?

00:21:44.680 A single strand of DNA

00:21:45.420 has more information in it

00:21:46.520 than every single book

00:21:47.260 on this planet.

00:21:48.060 Yeah.

00:21:48.640 Okay, if there's information

00:21:49.780 it requires intelligence.

00:21:51.460 You know you're not explaining

00:21:52.120 God exists.

00:21:52.600 You're not explaining

00:21:52.840 why Islam exists. 0.98

00:21:54.360 No, no, no.

00:21:55.160 Islam is a whole different discussion 1.00

00:21:56.200 because right here...

00:21:56.820 It's the whole thing about Islam. 0.90

00:21:58.500 No, I know,

00:21:58.860 but Islam will come to you later 1.00

00:21:59.760 because he's an atheist.

00:22:00.620 He doesn't believe it.

00:22:01.200 For me to go to Islam, 0.99

00:22:01.960 he's going to say,

00:22:02.460 like he said,

00:22:03.100 I don't want to go to your book.

00:22:03.880 He said, rightly so, 1.00

00:22:04.420 he would say,

00:22:05.000 you're going to try

00:22:05.460 to prove to me

00:22:06.020 God exists with the Quran. 0.99

00:22:06.920 You don't even believe

00:22:07.340 the Quran is from God.

00:22:08.580 No.

00:22:09.040 Good.

00:22:09.360 That's why.

00:22:09.680 So what I'm trying to do is

00:22:10.400 your atheist,

00:22:11.080 you believe about it.

00:22:11.920 He's not.

00:22:12.280 So I want to cater for him.

00:22:13.520 So we're on the same page

00:22:14.460 then we can both go to Islam.

00:22:16.240 So my argument is the following.

00:22:17.360 If there's information,

00:22:18.380 information requires intelligence,

00:22:19.540 correct?

00:22:20.580 Yeah.

00:22:21.060 Good.

00:22:21.320 So the reason why

00:22:21.920 you look the way you do

00:22:22.660 and the way I do

00:22:24.020 is DNA.

00:22:24.720 It's information.

00:22:25.700 Now,

00:22:26.820 you said that

00:22:27.760 that is evolution.

00:22:29.660 Evolution is what?

00:22:30.940 Evolution is don't take

00:22:31.660 God out of the picture.

00:22:32.260 Evolution talks about

00:22:33.100 in a certain amount

00:22:34.500 of time.

00:22:35.240 Like if you give it

00:22:35.640 an infinite amount of,

00:22:36.760 well,

00:22:37.080 certain amounts of time,

00:22:38.040 there is a chance

00:22:38.780 this can happen.

00:22:39.440 But where did the first cell

00:22:40.320 come from?

00:22:41.100 Sorry?

00:22:41.580 The first cell.

00:22:42.960 First cell?

00:22:43.580 That first cell that

00:22:44.180 replicates self,

00:22:44.960 et cetera.

00:22:45.640 Where did this come from?

00:22:46.040 Because the first cell

00:22:46.540 is a very complex thing.

00:22:47.960 I mean, true.

00:22:48.800 But it would have been

00:22:49.280 billions and billions

00:22:49.880 of years ago.

00:22:50.660 But then that's just it.

00:22:51.540 Why are you putting God

00:22:52.180 into evolution

00:22:53.080 and natural selection

00:22:53.640 in the first place?

00:22:54.460 Is there evidence

00:22:55.040 that he was ever

00:22:55.540 implicated into,

00:22:56.900 like if you're saying

00:22:57.620 there's the reason,

00:22:58.620 designer behind evolution

00:23:00.100 and natural selection,

00:23:00.920 you'd have to prove that

00:23:01.680 you ever did design

00:23:02.540 in the first place?

00:23:03.280 It has to be.

00:23:03.660 Because the thing is,

00:23:04.080 the first cell is designed.

00:23:05.640 It's made up complex things.

00:23:06.340 Like you said,

00:23:06.760 it could have been chance,

00:23:07.380 like it could have been

00:23:07.840 chance for the first time.

00:23:08.760 Chance?

00:23:09.100 What does it mean by chance?

00:23:09.900 Because chance is something

00:23:10.640 that is very random.

00:23:11.640 And in science,

00:23:12.200 you don't really have chance

00:23:12.920 because, for example,

00:23:13.920 if I flip the coin

00:23:14.640 and I said heads or tails,

00:23:16.460 as a scientist,

00:23:17.140 if I knew all the factors,

00:23:18.520 I would know exactly

00:23:19.280 the results.

00:23:19.740 There is no chance

00:23:20.520 in science

00:23:20.940 because science deals

00:23:22.200 with what is known.

00:23:23.480 If we know all the factors

00:23:24.620 when throwing a dice,

00:23:25.680 the angle you throw it,

00:23:26.440 the temperature,

00:23:27.220 the weather,

00:23:27.900 all that kind of stuff,

00:23:28.660 we will know

00:23:29.280 the exact results.

00:23:30.580 We only call it chance

00:23:31.700 because we just made

00:23:33.340 this word up.

00:23:33.740 There is no chance

00:23:34.220 in science.

00:23:34.800 So to me,

00:23:35.660 when we talk about

00:23:36.440 the universe,

00:23:37.400 did the universe come

00:23:38.220 from nothing or something?

00:23:40.080 I mean,

00:23:40.280 it gave them something.

00:23:41.140 Okay,

00:23:41.420 what is that thing?

00:23:42.760 Because the universe

00:23:43.360 has all done.

00:23:44.040 Can I ask who created God

00:23:45.400 to cancel that?

00:23:46.260 Because I know

00:23:46.780 you say God can't,

00:23:47.800 but it makes no sense.

00:23:49.140 Okay,

00:23:49.460 so before we come to

00:23:50.920 who created God,

00:23:51.800 we need to establish

00:23:52.440 if God exists.

00:23:53.320 My point is this,

00:23:53.940 I've used...

00:23:54.500 I keep going on about this.

00:23:55.300 I feel like,

00:23:55.520 we want to know about Islam

00:23:56.540 and my value of this.

00:23:57.520 I understand,

00:23:58.180 but he's an atheist.

00:23:59.160 I need to prove God to...

00:23:59.820 Are you trying to convert here?

00:24:00.660 We can still talk about Islam

00:24:01.740 without talking about God.

00:24:02.600 No, no, we have to

00:24:03.500 because you know why?

00:24:04.100 It's me talking about Islam

00:24:05.160 is I need to prove God exists

00:24:07.620 then I can talk about

00:24:08.420 moral arguments and morality.

00:24:09.620 You don't have to prove God exists

00:24:10.060 for us to talk about

00:24:10.720 the rules and practices

00:24:11.540 of the Quran.

00:24:12.440 Well, of course,

00:24:12.840 then I need to show you

00:24:13.480 why Islam is the truth 0.53

00:24:14.340 and not Christianity 0.92

00:24:14.940 or not any of them.

00:24:15.680 But I feel like we're

00:24:16.280 just going on a tangent here

00:24:17.060 which is going to be talking about.

00:24:17.600 Not really,

00:24:18.060 because the thing is

00:24:18.580 I've provided evidences

00:24:19.980 which you didn't deny

00:24:20.700 about the design,

00:24:21.680 about the information,

00:24:22.280 in the DNA.

00:24:22.600 Yeah, but then you're

00:24:23.060 implicating on it anyway

00:24:24.100 when there's no evidence

00:24:25.080 for God being implicated

00:24:26.020 to that in the first place.

00:24:26.920 And if there was a creator

00:24:27.720 and designer for everything,

00:24:28.920 then who's the creator

00:24:29.520 and designer for God?

00:24:30.460 Well, that's my point

00:24:31.040 because we say that

00:24:31.960 God is the necessary being.

00:24:33.800 Well, you're just saying

00:24:34.700 that to say it.

00:24:35.440 Then how do you know?

00:24:36.260 Where's the evidence

00:24:36.780 that God is a necessary being?

00:24:38.540 No, but that's my argument.

00:24:39.480 So what I'm saying is

00:24:40.180 that I showed you

00:24:40.700 the design argument

00:24:41.380 from yourself.

00:24:42.260 I used the DNA information.

00:24:43.560 Information requires intelligence.

00:24:45.220 I showed you that

00:24:45.940 the form case that we have,

00:24:47.760 you're far more complex.

00:24:48.940 Those are evidences

00:24:49.620 to God existing.

00:24:50.620 Now you're asking me

00:24:51.560 who created God.

00:24:52.760 It's evidence for

00:24:53.440 factory production,

00:24:54.620 DNA, evolution.

00:24:56.060 No, no, evolution

00:24:56.760 is a blind process.

00:24:57.600 How does blind process

00:24:58.200 give order?

00:24:59.440 Well, I mean, I get that,

00:25:00.700 but still, how does that

00:25:02.000 prove the existence of God?

00:25:02.780 Okay, can zero equal one?

00:25:04.600 No.

00:25:05.340 Okay, so something

00:25:06.380 began the universe.

00:25:09.580 Because it cannot

00:25:10.100 come from nothing.

00:25:10.680 Can something come from nothing?

00:25:11.700 But then where did God come from?

00:25:12.840 Okay, that's my point.

00:25:14.720 Because that just keeps going.

00:25:16.200 No, no, no, no, no,

00:25:17.360 I can answer that.

00:25:18.520 What came from the person

00:25:19.240 that created that person?

00:25:20.080 Okay, for the person

00:25:20.660 that created that thing.

00:25:21.120 Good, then we will never be here.

00:25:22.420 That's my point.

00:25:23.080 So do you accept

00:25:23.900 that we have to have

00:25:24.760 a power source

00:25:26.040 that created everything?

00:25:27.200 Yeah, but it doesn't

00:25:27.640 have to be God.

00:25:28.420 Okay, what is it?

00:25:30.200 I'm not sure.

00:25:30.960 No one really knows.

00:25:31.640 No, no, no.

00:25:32.500 Logically and rationally,

00:25:33.320 if something,

00:25:34.060 for example,

00:25:34.720 if I show you a painting,

00:25:36.380 by looking at a painting,

00:25:37.360 there are certain things

00:25:38.140 that you can know

00:25:38.480 about the painter.

00:25:39.280 Number one,

00:25:39.620 that the painter exists.

00:25:40.440 You've never seen him.

00:25:41.260 Number two,

00:25:41.960 he's drawing.

00:25:42.620 You know he had the will to paint.

00:25:44.340 Number three,

00:25:44.820 he's good at painting.

00:25:45.920 There's so many attributes

00:25:46.840 that you can give to that painter

00:25:48.160 by just looking at the painting.

00:25:49.440 So when I look at you

00:25:50.480 and the way you're created,

00:25:51.740 your mouth, 0.74

00:25:52.220 your tongue,

00:25:52.600 your eyes, etc.

00:25:53.100 You cannot come and tell me

00:25:53.880 evolution randomly

00:25:54.980 all of a sudden

00:25:55.740 put your teeth in your mouth.

00:25:56.980 So lucky.

00:25:57.780 And your digestive system...

00:25:58.680 That makes more sense

00:25:59.220 than unlock the painter.

00:26:00.120 Okay, let me get this right.

00:26:01.660 Okay, okay.

00:26:02.420 That makes more sense

00:26:03.120 that an evolution,

00:26:04.380 a first self,

00:26:05.140 randomly no order,

00:26:06.260 came from nothing,

00:26:07.260 popped into existence,

00:26:08.380 gave us order so much

00:26:09.380 that my legs are in its right place,

00:26:10.980 my eyes are...

00:26:11.940 But let me tell you what I'm saying.

00:26:13.460 How does that make more sense?

00:26:14.360 Why are you just assuming

00:26:15.060 that humans have a purpose

00:26:16.040 on this planet?

00:26:16.580 Of course.

00:26:17.260 Why does it really have to be true?

00:26:19.340 Would it create people

00:26:20.140 just by asking to worship people?

00:26:21.220 No, no, but your argument is...

00:26:23.760 Your question,

00:26:24.920 why God did something?

00:26:25.760 I'm trying to prove God exists.

00:26:27.140 And so far,

00:26:27.760 I've given evidence

00:26:28.360 that you guys haven't rebuked.

00:26:29.300 All you ask me is...

00:26:30.200 It doesn't really make sense.

00:26:31.040 It really doesn't make sense.

00:26:31.940 Okay, so God,

00:26:33.140 a creator exists,

00:26:34.440 gives order,

00:26:35.020 but the universe

00:26:36.300 kept popped on that.

00:26:37.000 Why is that?

00:26:38.600 What do you think

00:26:39.280 about all the other religions

00:26:40.260 like Christianity?

00:26:40.940 That's what I'm saying.

00:26:42.820 I'm coming to that.

00:26:44.020 The reason why I'm going to tell you

00:26:45.220 why I'm not Christianity

00:26:45.820 is because of this.

00:26:46.480 They make the same arguments as you, though.

00:26:46.980 No, they don't.

00:26:47.580 Let me tell you why.

00:26:48.120 Because they believe Jesus is God.

00:26:49.360 We don't believe man is God.

00:26:50.460 Yes?

00:26:50.800 So that's why I...

00:26:51.440 Then they just say...

00:26:52.620 No.

00:26:52.820 They just make the same arguments.

00:26:53.780 Look, look.

00:26:54.720 I can make an...

00:26:55.880 Look, I've shown you

00:26:56.640 a couple of arguments

00:26:57.320 why God exists.

00:26:58.240 Yes?

00:26:58.760 Which is that

00:26:59.200 it cannot come from nothing.

00:27:00.880 The universe cannot come from nothing.

00:27:01.920 It's an impossibility.

00:27:02.920 You don't have any proof of God.

00:27:03.800 You're just saying it's God.

00:27:04.280 It has to be God

00:27:05.820 because there is no other explanation.

00:27:06.700 It doesn't have to be.

00:27:07.580 There can be another...

00:27:08.240 We don't know for sure.

00:27:09.240 How do you know for sure it's God?

00:27:10.820 Because from nothing,

00:27:12.120 nothing comes.

00:27:12.880 But you don't know it's God for sure.

00:27:13.840 Okay.

00:27:14.660 How do you know for sure?

00:27:15.820 Okay.

00:27:16.220 Did our universe begin to exist?

00:27:18.320 Sorry?

00:27:18.840 Did our universe begin to exist?

00:27:20.380 Yes, at some point.

00:27:21.000 Okay.

00:27:21.220 So then that means

00:27:21.800 a being gave rise to it.

00:27:23.260 Willed it.

00:27:23.660 Maybe not God.

00:27:24.600 One second.

00:27:25.000 Okay.

00:27:26.160 If somebody will something,

00:27:27.540 they have the power of will.

00:27:28.640 Meaning,

00:27:29.220 they decided

00:27:30.060 for the universe

00:27:30.680 to begin to exist.

00:27:32.260 So that's an attribute.

00:27:34.200 Wait, can you repeat that?

00:27:35.380 That's an attribute.

00:27:36.260 The universe began to exist,

00:27:37.660 meaning

00:27:37.940 something

00:27:38.820 or some being

00:27:39.780 will the universe to begin.

00:27:41.380 Yes, but how...

00:27:42.300 Good.

00:27:42.400 Do you have any proof that's God?

00:27:43.860 Okay.

00:27:44.260 You said yourself,

00:27:45.300 some being.

00:27:45.900 It doesn't have to be a being.

00:27:46.840 Let's not call it God.

00:27:47.780 Does this thing

00:27:48.580 have the power of will?

00:27:50.760 I mean,

00:27:51.700 yes.

00:27:52.440 Okay, good.

00:27:53.240 Is there information

00:27:54.020 in our universe?

00:27:55.020 Yeah.

00:27:55.620 Then that means

00:27:56.200 if there's information

00:27:56.860 in our universe,

00:27:57.540 that that thing,

00:27:58.420 whatever it is,

00:27:59.040 has to have knowledge.

00:28:01.340 I mean,

00:28:02.560 I guess.

00:28:03.280 Okay.

00:28:03.640 I guess it depends on how you...

00:28:04.420 Is there power in our universe?

00:28:06.040 Yeah.

00:28:06.540 Okay, that means that being

00:28:07.800 or whatever it is

00:28:08.660 that willed it,

00:28:09.480 has knowledge,

00:28:10.180 has also power.

00:28:11.780 Yeah.

00:28:12.120 Okay, good.

00:28:12.720 So that is who we call Allah.

00:28:14.080 But then it couldn't...

00:28:14.880 But that's who we call Allah.

00:28:15.460 There might not be a being.

00:28:16.640 It might be a thing.

00:28:17.540 It might have been

00:28:17.860 like the Big Bang.

00:28:18.800 It might have been

00:28:19.580 what created the universe.

00:28:20.400 No, no, no.

00:28:20.640 One second.

00:28:20.900 Big Bang is a material thing.

00:28:22.460 I'm telling you before the Big Bang.

00:28:23.680 But it doesn't have to be a being.

00:28:24.960 You said yourself

00:28:25.340 it could be something.

00:28:25.940 Okay, but I said to you

00:28:26.680 that something...

00:28:27.020 Big Bang, that's something.

00:28:27.720 Okay, look.

00:28:28.100 That's something

00:28:28.660 that has willed it,

00:28:30.440 has knowledge,

00:28:31.720 has power,

00:28:32.820 is Allah.

00:28:33.680 Well, it depends on how

00:28:34.360 you define power and knowledge.

00:28:35.860 The Big Bang has power

00:28:36.880 but it might not have

00:28:37.400 the knowledge.

00:28:38.100 It might have just created everything.

00:28:38.920 Big Bang does not have power

00:28:40.100 on its own.

00:28:40.740 Big Bang started at one point.

00:28:42.060 It created the entire...

00:28:43.000 No, it didn't.

00:28:44.120 What came before the Big Bang?

00:28:45.260 That and it's not would be power.

00:28:45.780 My friend,

00:28:46.160 it's like me giving you 50 pounds 0.98

00:28:47.300 and you fank the 50 pounds. 0.78

00:28:48.260 I gave you it.

00:28:49.260 You're giving credit

00:28:49.800 to the 50 pounds,

00:28:50.540 not me.

00:28:51.160 I'm saying the Big Bang...

00:28:53.020 There's a difference

00:28:53.380 between the 50 pounds

00:28:54.060 and you

00:28:54.380 and the Big Bang and God.

00:28:55.580 No, but the comparison

00:28:56.340 I'm giving is

00:28:56.820 it's like me giving you 50 pounds

00:28:57.860 and you're like,

00:28:58.200 50 pounds, thank you very much.

00:28:59.320 I'm like, I gave you it.

00:29:00.400 You're giving the credit

00:29:00.880 to the wrong place.

00:29:01.780 No, that reminds me.

00:29:02.840 No, no, I actually

00:29:03.200 want to say something.

00:29:03.620 That reminds me.

00:29:04.300 Sorry, sorry, sorry.

00:29:05.340 You know how,

00:29:06.020 you know when something

00:29:06.540 good happens in your life,

00:29:07.480 you thank Allah.

00:29:08.520 When something bad happens

00:29:09.100 in your life,

00:29:09.320 you thank Shaitan.

00:29:10.280 No, we don't thank Shaitan.

00:29:11.060 We thank Allah.

00:29:11.760 No, I'm not saying

00:29:12.340 when something bad happens,

00:29:13.500 you say it's because of Shaitan.

00:29:16.120 No.

00:29:16.760 Well, I mean Allah. 0.96

00:29:17.220 Because Allah says in the Quran

00:29:24.380 Did you take the credit from me

00:29:25.160 because you're the one

00:29:25.580 who did the work? 0.69

00:29:26.780 Allah did not help you. 1.00

00:29:27.200 Did what work?

00:29:27.980 I did, look.

00:29:28.680 You did the work.

00:29:29.380 You're the one

00:29:29.680 who got me some out of that.

00:29:30.800 No, I didn't.

00:29:31.520 Let me tell you something.

00:29:32.180 Let me tell you something.

00:29:32.840 Look, let me tell you something

00:29:33.780 because I did not,

00:29:35.300 I didn't wake up and say

00:29:36.280 I want my eyes to be working,

00:29:38.080 my heart.

00:29:38.680 I didn't create myself.

00:29:39.960 God created me

00:29:40.540 so why would I give credit

00:29:41.320 to myself when it's...

00:29:41.980 You're just implicating God

00:29:42.460 into the process of making you.

00:29:43.680 No, because I have,

00:29:44.400 because I have many,

00:29:45.640 I have many...

00:29:46.360 You're implicating yourself

00:29:47.280 into all these different processes

00:29:48.440 that make up you.

00:29:49.320 No, no, but...

00:29:49.840 There's no evidence

00:29:50.280 that God was there

00:29:50.880 in the process of making you.

00:29:52.280 No, no, but that's why I give you...

00:29:53.500 You're just saying,

00:29:53.820 that's like a Christian saying

00:29:55.000 oh, God was there to make me.

00:29:56.620 That Christian God

00:29:57.180 was there to make me.

00:29:58.000 That's like you saying

00:29:58.640 the Muslim God was there

00:29:59.480 to make me.

00:29:59.700 No, no, not the Muslim God. 1.00

00:30:00.440 The reason why I told you

00:30:01.320 a being who has a will,

00:30:02.360 who has power,

00:30:02.980 who has knowledge

00:30:03.540 has to have these attributes

00:30:04.840 because they are in the universe

00:30:06.040 so he has to be the all-knowing.

00:30:07.720 He has to be the all-powerful.

00:30:08.900 He has to have a will.

00:30:09.720 He doesn't have to be any of you.

00:30:11.340 Okay, how could something

00:30:12.780 give rise to something

00:30:13.960 that it doesn't innately happen?

00:30:16.040 Because of adaption

00:30:17.400 and evolution over time.

00:30:17.960 No, what does that mean?

00:30:18.940 Yeah, because we were

00:30:19.480 all to have different features.

00:30:20.080 You don't even know what that means.

00:30:20.800 What do you mean by adaption?

00:30:21.740 No, no, you're making words

00:30:22.820 that you don't even know

00:30:23.320 what it means.

00:30:23.720 What do you mean by adaptation?

00:30:25.260 What does that mean?

00:30:25.840 Just over time,

00:30:26.520 humans evolving.

00:30:27.320 What does that mean?

00:30:27.860 Look, if I had an empty cup here

00:30:29.160 and I said give it

00:30:29.740 an infinite amount of time,

00:30:30.620 we would have a Ferrari.

00:30:31.600 The components to make a Ferrari

00:30:32.720 are not in the cup.

00:30:33.580 Time is irrelevant to the equation.

00:30:34.960 So what I'm saying

00:30:35.440 is the following.

00:30:36.400 That that thing we're talking about,

00:30:38.280 the reason we call it Allah

00:30:39.440 and not the Christian God 0.97

00:30:40.340 or any other God

00:30:40.920 is the reason.

00:30:41.760 Christians believe Jesus is God.

00:30:43.420 We say God cannot be a man. 0.63

00:30:45.500 So we say that's the reason

00:30:46.640 why that cannot be God.

00:30:48.040 The Hindus come and say 1.00

00:30:48.860 we believe in one million gods.

00:30:50.080 The God of power

00:30:50.820 and the God of this

00:30:51.560 and the God of that.

00:30:52.140 We say no,

00:30:52.780 God has to be one.

00:30:54.020 Which you ask,

00:30:54.980 why is God one but not ten?

00:30:56.380 Because if there was

00:30:57.040 more than one God,

00:30:57.720 Allah says in the Quran,

00:30:58.420 there would have been chaos.

00:30:59.400 Because there would be

00:30:59.840 gods fighting with each other.

00:31:01.200 That's why God has to be one.

00:31:02.700 So my argument,

00:31:03.960 let me tell you why.

00:31:04.480 Then why is there

00:31:05.120 more last than yours?

00:31:06.240 Let me tell you why.

00:31:07.160 This is my final argument

00:31:07.980 which solidifies

00:31:09.440 exists.

00:31:09.840 It's an argument

00:31:10.180 from contingency.

00:31:11.160 There are three types

00:31:11.920 of existence.

00:31:13.780 There's impossible existence,

00:31:15.840 there is necessary existence

00:31:17.020 and there is contingent existence.

00:31:19.420 For example,

00:31:20.260 an impossible existence

00:31:21.140 is a triangle square.

00:31:22.880 It cannot exist.

00:31:24.220 Am I right?

00:31:24.980 Because a triangle has three sides

00:31:26.180 and a square has four sides.

00:31:27.760 So you cannot have

00:31:28.520 a triangle square.

00:31:29.820 Would you agree?

00:31:30.460 Yeah.

00:31:30.820 Good.

00:31:31.080 So we're left with two possibilities.

00:31:32.640 A necessary existence

00:31:33.940 and a possible existence.

00:31:36.240 Me and you,

00:31:37.260 we are contingent beings.

00:31:38.280 We depend on other things

00:31:39.500 for our survival.

00:31:40.180 Am I correct?

00:31:40.940 Yeah.

00:31:41.100 Okay, good.

00:31:41.560 So what we say is the following.

00:31:43.120 We cannot have

00:31:44.100 an infinite regress

00:31:45.600 of dependent things.

00:31:47.020 So,

00:31:47.520 I depend on food

00:31:48.880 and food depends on

00:31:49.960 this

00:31:50.800 and our planet depends

00:31:51.680 on the gravitational force

00:31:52.940 and the universe

00:31:53.820 and the sun

00:31:54.420 and da da da da da.

00:31:55.020 You cannot have

00:31:56.120 an infinite regress

00:31:57.220 of dependent things.

00:31:58.660 That's why I said

00:31:59.320 it all has to stop

00:32:00.300 at one point

00:32:00.740 which is the necessary being

00:32:01.760 because he is independent,

00:32:03.420 self-sufficient

00:32:03.940 and he is the one

00:32:05.180 that begins on.

00:32:06.080 Otherwise,

00:32:06.800 we would never be here

00:32:08.200 if you said,

00:32:09.500 well,

00:32:09.620 who created God?

00:32:10.680 Who created God?

00:32:11.440 We would have a fallacy

00:32:12.300 of infinite regress

00:32:13.040 which goes on forever

00:32:13.800 and we would never be here.

00:32:14.980 That's the reason why

00:32:15.700 you need to have

00:32:16.100 a necessary being

00:32:16.800 that is independent,

00:32:17.940 self-sufficient

00:32:18.400 and is not composed of pieces.

00:32:20.300 That's my argument

00:32:21.280 because otherwise

00:32:22.360 you have an infinite regress

00:32:23.480 of independent things.

00:32:24.380 That's just another argument,

00:32:25.160 a supporting argument

00:32:25.760 for God exists.

00:32:27.040 Now,

00:32:27.280 if you accept that

00:32:27.900 then I can move on to Islam. 0.95

00:32:30.400 Okay.

00:32:31.080 No,

00:32:31.280 I think it's a very valid argument

00:32:33.640 from necessary,

00:32:34.200 from design,

00:32:35.000 from information,

00:32:35.680 intelligence

00:32:36.040 that God exists.

00:32:37.480 There's no other explanation.

00:32:38.380 Alright.

00:32:39.360 But you're on board,

00:32:40.120 you believe anyways,

00:32:40.740 but...

00:32:41.240 No, no,

00:32:41.520 I believe that God exists

00:32:42.580 but that he left us.

00:32:44.000 I can't...

00:32:44.420 Why would he leave us?

00:32:44.940 What kind of God is that?

00:32:45.980 What kind of purpose

00:32:46.680 of God is that? 1.00

00:32:47.260 He witnesses all this shit 1.00

00:32:48.580 that's going on 1.00

00:32:49.260 and he manages.

00:32:51.500 Hasbro,

00:32:51.940 he created us,

00:32:52.600 he can choose to do it.

00:32:53.940 No,

00:32:54.240 so this is...

00:32:54.600 I just want to claim

00:32:55.160 that he's all loving God

00:32:55.780 if he's like not.

00:32:56.540 Good.

00:32:57.060 This is why

00:32:57.620 when I talked about the being,

00:32:59.020 another attribute

00:32:59.640 we give to God Almighty,

00:33:00.860 Allah,

00:33:01.180 is he's the all wise

00:33:02.820 because there are evil things

00:33:04.240 that happen on earth.

00:33:04.940 I'll give you an example.

00:33:06.240 My child,

00:33:07.400 three years old,

00:33:07.920 doesn't know anything

00:33:08.400 about fire.

00:33:09.600 There's a fire

00:33:10.080 and I see her running 0.92

00:33:11.800 and I'm like,

00:33:13.060 the closest thing to me

00:33:14.440 is my leg.

00:33:15.100 Got long legs. 1.00

00:33:16.020 I'm going to kick my child 1.00

00:33:17.120 and divert them from the fire. 1.00

00:33:19.500 To my child,

00:33:20.240 do you not think

00:33:20.840 they are seeing fire

00:33:21.960 as something they can play with?

00:33:23.300 I kicked her. 1.00

00:33:24.680 Does she think I'm evil? 0.72

00:33:28.620 No.

00:33:29.420 Why not? 0.99

00:33:29.780 I just kicked her. 1.00

00:33:30.400 She was going to play with fire. 0.99

00:33:31.540 She's a child.

00:33:31.960 She believes in you.

00:33:33.360 You're their guardian. 0.85

00:33:34.540 No, but I kicked her. 1.00

00:33:35.420 Yeah, but they don't understand.

00:33:36.800 That's my point.

00:33:37.520 Is she not going to say,

00:33:38.200 Dad kicked me

00:33:38.740 and start crying?

00:33:40.340 They hurt because of the pain

00:33:41.420 but they don't understand it.

00:33:42.520 Good,

00:33:42.720 but are they not going to cry

00:33:43.500 and say,

00:33:43.860 why did God...

00:33:44.840 Yes, they will.

00:33:45.900 Okay, good.

00:33:46.240 Yes, they will.

00:33:46.840 But what was my intent?

00:33:48.180 Her intent was

00:33:48.880 to get them out of danger.

00:33:50.600 Good.

00:33:50.860 So just because

00:33:51.560 they don't have the wisdom

00:33:52.520 in what I was doing,

00:33:53.940 they saw me as

00:33:54.900 Dad is evil

00:33:55.900 but Dad saved your life.

00:33:57.340 The point is the same with God.

00:33:58.600 I mean, if the child's going to move on

00:33:59.300 they're not going to think

00:33:59.700 that Dad is evil like that.

00:34:00.940 It's a bit of...

00:34:01.360 No, no.

00:34:01.620 The comparisons are very like

00:34:03.360 affirmed to God,

00:34:04.840 affirmed to God

00:34:05.480 and then...

00:34:05.900 That's completely different.

00:34:07.640 I mean, they work

00:34:08.420 because you didn't contend against it.

00:34:09.740 That's not evil

00:34:10.420 about how God's...

00:34:11.240 I never said my daughter

00:34:12.540 is going to know me

00:34:12.960 as evil for the rest of her life.

00:34:13.820 I'm going to say

00:34:14.120 in that moment of time

00:34:14.640 she's going to be sad.

00:34:15.020 Dad doesn't understand

00:34:15.120 they're not going to think of evil.

00:34:16.240 Evil's going to be trying it.

00:34:17.380 Okay, all right.

00:34:17.760 No problem.

00:34:18.040 Dad hurt me.

00:34:19.320 Dad is...

00:34:20.020 Don't call it evil.

00:34:20.980 What do you want to call it?

00:34:21.560 Okay, the point is, yeah.

00:34:23.200 The point is

00:34:23.800 they're going to move on from it.

00:34:25.580 They're going to move on from it.

00:34:26.420 It's just that I didn't say

00:34:26.980 they're going to remember

00:34:27.560 for the rest of their life

00:34:28.380 because when they grow up

00:34:29.420 they're going to know

00:34:30.000 why I did it.

00:34:30.900 My point is the following.

00:34:31.780 You said there are bad things

00:34:32.880 happening on earth.

00:34:33.720 That's called the problem of evil.

00:34:34.880 You're saying if God exists

00:34:36.320 why is he letting it happen?

00:34:37.780 And my point is this.

00:34:38.680 We have the pixel.

00:34:39.780 He has the picture.

00:34:40.900 Just because you don't know

00:34:42.020 why a certain thing happened

00:34:43.000 doesn't mean it's bad.

00:34:44.200 How many times in life

00:34:45.080 I've gone through stuff

00:34:45.800 which was terrible

00:34:47.240 but it was the best thing

00:34:48.200 that ever happened to me

00:34:48.800 because Allah says in the Quran

00:34:49.820 you might hate something

00:34:51.120 which is good for you

00:34:51.900 and you might love something

00:34:52.760 which is bad for you.

00:34:53.320 How many times... 0.99

00:34:54.140 What about child rape? 0.97

00:34:54.940 Is that good? 0.97

00:34:56.260 No.

00:34:57.120 Dude, these are innately evil.

00:34:58.320 I'm seeing sometimes...

00:34:59.520 Why did Allah allow that

00:35:00.040 to happen to someone?

00:35:00.860 Is that like a test or trial?

00:35:02.620 Why did Allah allow it 1.00

00:35:03.680 to happen to a child

00:35:04.320 who's just been born?

00:35:05.080 Okay, good.

00:35:05.600 So what I'm seeing is

00:35:06.140 has Allah said 0.99

00:35:08.100 raping a child is good? 0.99

00:35:09.540 No.

00:35:10.040 No, but why is he allowing

00:35:10.920 that to happen?

00:35:11.320 Why would he test a child like that?

00:35:12.800 Okay, good.

00:35:13.100 Why do you create people

00:35:13.800 who think like that?

00:35:14.440 Okay, good.

00:35:15.120 What I'm saying to you

00:35:15.660 is the following.

00:35:16.560 There are people who go through

00:35:17.500 different difficulties in life.

00:35:18.580 Rape, murder, killing, cancer,

00:35:21.000 natural disasters, etc. 0.99

00:35:22.660 Yeah?

00:35:23.100 And there are two types of people.

00:35:24.780 There are people who take lessons

00:35:25.820 out of the stuff

00:35:26.480 that they went through

00:35:27.020 and there are people

00:35:28.000 who rebel against it.

00:35:29.340 Why did this happen to me?

00:35:30.900 Why did that?

00:35:31.580 I've seen people

00:35:32.160 in both spectrums.

00:35:33.720 There are those who said

00:35:34.260 you know what?

00:35:34.700 I went through this specific thing in life

00:35:35.900 it was traumatic for me.

00:35:37.240 It really made me question

00:35:38.160 but it made me better

00:35:39.520 and more of a closer relationship

00:35:40.680 with God.

00:35:41.000 But that can happen with a child. 0.99

00:35:42.780 If a child gets raped 0.94

00:35:43.620 how does that make them better?

00:35:44.600 That gives them trauma

00:35:45.220 for the rest of the life.

00:35:45.920 No, no, no, no.

00:35:46.140 Give them learn things

00:35:47.160 into the way as well.

00:35:47.680 What I'm saying is this.

00:35:49.720 God hasn't commanded anyone

00:35:51.000 to rape anybody. 0.81

00:35:52.200 If a person does that evil 0.95

00:35:53.580 that is the reason why

00:35:54.480 to your world view

00:35:55.380 as an atheist

00:35:56.300 you have no explanation

00:35:57.820 for a disabled person.

00:35:59.040 You have no explanation 0.99

00:35:59.700 for the child that got raped.

00:36:00.920 What justice can you give

00:36:01.960 that person by saying

00:36:02.820 sorry guys

00:36:03.640 it's evolution.

00:36:04.620 Not only that

00:36:05.020 our brains are made from evolution

00:36:06.160 you're going to say

00:36:06.540 you know what?

00:36:07.120 You can't even blame anybody

00:36:08.080 because the evolution process

00:36:09.040 That can't be an explanation.

00:36:10.240 How?

00:36:11.820 Because just over time.

00:36:12.820 From an atheistic perspective.

00:36:14.000 So how?

00:36:14.680 From an atheistic perspective

00:36:15.560 our brains have evolved.

00:36:16.760 How could you even trust

00:36:17.960 your brain that you're here?

00:36:18.580 How do you know

00:36:18.860 we're not in the matrix?

00:36:20.200 I mean there are people

00:36:20.800 who believe that

00:36:21.440 but then we just look around us

00:36:22.680 and we just observe

00:36:23.380 everything anyway.

00:36:24.100 Okay good.

00:36:24.420 So what I'm talking about

00:36:25.160 this is why morality

00:36:26.120 has to come from God

00:36:27.040 answering your questions

00:36:27.640 about Islam.

00:36:28.500 When we talk about morality

00:36:29.660 we don't have objective morality

00:36:31.420 we have subjective morality

00:36:32.840 which means the following

00:36:33.600 you asked about clothing.

00:36:34.880 Morality is based on

00:36:35.880 our empathy

00:36:36.400 and our humanity anyway.

00:36:37.680 In what way?

00:36:40.120 Like if you see a starving person

00:36:41.720 on the street

00:36:42.200 you will help them.

00:36:43.180 Not everyone.

00:36:44.000 Well not everyone sure

00:36:44.880 because everyone's different

00:36:45.840 different personalities

00:36:46.580 but our basic empathy

00:36:47.980 that like most people have

00:36:49.180 and some people might not have it

00:36:50.860 because of their

00:36:51.560 you know there might be psychopaths

00:36:52.880 they might be

00:36:53.400 they just might be

00:36:54.440 not morally inclined

00:36:55.540 because of whatever's going on

00:36:56.500 in their life.

00:36:56.940 But where did they get

00:36:57.440 their morality from?

00:36:58.020 Like for example

00:36:58.540 today we're living at a time

00:36:59.400 where they want to make

00:36:59.940 incest legal.

00:37:01.440 Do you believe incest is moral?

00:37:02.980 No.

00:37:03.520 Okay why?

00:37:05.040 Because of the harm

00:37:05.800 it can do to the future child

00:37:06.840 and the fact that

00:37:07.380 What harm?

00:37:08.100 If they use protection?

00:37:09.200 Defects above

00:37:09.840 Protection.

00:37:11.080 Protection.

00:37:11.620 A brother and sister

00:37:12.940 have an intimacy

00:37:13.560 they use protection.

00:37:14.660 How is that?

00:37:15.280 Protection is not

00:37:15.760 going to protect everything

00:37:16.900 it's not going to make you

00:37:17.820 Yeah.

00:37:18.620 Not get what?

00:37:19.220 They're not going to have children?

00:37:20.200 No.

00:37:21.300 It's just the fact

00:37:22.060 that you're related

00:37:22.640 that it would just be

00:37:23.540 just be wrong

00:37:24.340 because it's two people

00:37:25.100 who have similar DNA

00:37:26.080 but they love each other.

00:37:28.020 I wouldn't really

00:37:29.080 classify it as love.

00:37:29.980 Why not?

00:37:30.780 Because now

00:37:31.200 see what's happened

00:37:31.920 now subjectively

00:37:32.680 like would you

00:37:34.140 forgive me

00:37:35.260 it's personal

00:37:35.840 sexual orientation

00:37:36.880 are you straight?

00:37:38.260 Thank you.

00:37:39.020 Yeah.

00:37:39.840 Okay so

00:37:40.500 my argument is the following

00:37:41.900 there are people

00:37:42.460 who are gay

00:37:42.860 and they say 0.83

00:37:44.240 I love men

00:37:45.120 okay

00:37:45.820 so we say

00:37:46.780 then why do you not

00:37:47.900 support incest rights

00:37:49.260 for a brother and sister

00:37:50.320 to marry each other

00:37:50.920 that's not the same thing though

00:37:52.460 to compare people

00:37:52.600 that love each other

00:37:53.100 to adult

00:37:53.660 consenting adult

00:37:54.480 to

00:37:55.300 I think it's more

00:37:56.000 disrespectful for the community

00:37:57.060 that if two men

00:37:57.760 love each other

00:37:58.420 people that are illegal

00:37:59.240 right

00:37:59.760 why illegal

00:38:00.480 who decided to be illegal

00:38:01.520 oh sorry legal

00:38:02.480 illegal

00:38:03.120 it's illegal

00:38:03.700 it's illegal

00:38:04.640 what is homosexialogy

00:38:05.880 actually for harm

00:38:06.580 what does it harm

00:38:07.080 of course

00:38:07.980 for example

00:38:08.920 straight people

00:38:09.720 like 1.00

00:38:09.960 those who have sex 0.91

00:38:13.180 outside of marriage

00:38:13.880 correct

00:38:14.220 that's why we believe

00:38:15.200 the nuclear family

00:38:16.040 is what we're talking about here

00:38:17.160 but people have the nuclear family

00:38:18.320 without believing in a religion

00:38:19.260 they can be atheists

00:38:20.360 not necessarily

00:38:21.200 because the reason why

00:38:21.920 today what we have

00:38:22.500 what we have is

00:38:22.760 there's tons of people

00:38:23.200 who have nuclear families

00:38:23.980 who are atheists

00:38:24.420 no no no

00:38:25.260 of course

00:38:26.280 that's what I'm saying

00:38:26.760 you need objective morality

00:38:27.940 to have your morals

00:38:28.740 otherwise you have subjective morality

00:38:30.020 other people see morality

00:38:30.580 differently

00:38:30.960 that's the thing

00:38:31.820 do you see one thing

00:38:32.520 that a baseline morality

00:38:33.320 can come from

00:38:34.100 cultural background

00:38:35.900 who you are as a person

00:38:37.740 it can even be in some ways

00:38:38.800 biological

00:38:39.180 like mirror neurons

00:38:40.020 like that kind of stuff

00:38:40.740 there is no evidence

00:38:41.400 biologically about someone

00:38:42.360 being that

00:38:42.860 but what I'm saying

00:38:43.320 is the following

00:38:43.680 you are talking about

00:38:44.720 subjective things

00:38:45.360 I told you about incest

00:38:46.260 you said no

00:38:46.580 how could it be

00:38:47.100 but a person

00:38:48.020 there are people in courts

00:38:48.900 in Europe

00:38:49.360 they are trying to fight

00:38:50.400 for incest rights

00:38:50.980 so they're saying

00:38:51.800 how come your love is love

00:38:53.240 when you marry a man 0.60

00:38:54.000 or a woman or a woman

00:38:54.840 but my love to my daughter

00:38:56.020 or my love to my sister

00:38:57.400 or my brother

00:38:58.060 you're denying my love

00:38:59.300 do you see my point

00:39:00.400 because

00:39:00.720 first of all

00:39:01.700 Darren and my

00:39:02.360 Darren Dwar

00:39:02.880 he watched the child

00:39:04.280 grow up

00:39:04.740 that's

00:39:05.460 that's demented

00:39:06.120 okay

00:39:06.320 you can say

00:39:07.260 these people are loving each other

00:39:08.360 why is demented about that

00:39:09.420 I actually want to know

00:39:10.020 why is demented

00:39:12.560 that a brother and sister

00:39:13.580 love each other

00:39:14.060 and they want to have intimacy

00:39:14.760 they grew up

00:39:15.380 like they grew up with each other

00:39:16.380 that's what made them

00:39:17.500 love each other more

00:39:18.120 but do you see

00:39:20.380 where are you coming from

00:39:21.080 and society comes up

00:39:21.700 with standards by itself

00:39:22.600 anyway

00:39:22.860 that's the problem

00:39:23.940 when society comes to an argument

00:39:25.440 but you don't need religion

00:39:25.700 to do that

00:39:26.220 yes you do

00:39:26.740 let me tell you why

00:39:27.360 for example

00:39:28.140 Allah says in the Quran

00:39:29.100 he tells us

00:39:29.820 the people who can marry 0.85

00:39:30.660 and the people who cannot marry

00:39:31.420 in today's time

00:39:32.660 when you don't have a guideline

00:39:34.400 and a way of life

00:39:35.300 that's why I was saying

00:39:35.880 I have a way of life

00:39:36.760 you have a way of life

00:39:37.580 you have a way of life

00:39:38.260 if you don't need God

00:39:38.820 for that way of life

00:39:39.440 you do

00:39:40.000 because if you don't

00:39:40.640 this is the reason why

00:39:41.280 today they're trying to

00:39:41.940 leave you guys incest 1.00

00:39:42.620 why do atheists live 1.00

00:39:43.940 and only that

00:39:44.380 and by the way

00:39:45.000 pedophilia as well

00:39:45.640 incest is like a big thing 1.00

00:39:46.560 in Muslim countries by the way

00:39:47.680 sorry what is that

00:39:48.280 incest is a big thing 1.00

00:39:48.840 in Muslim countries 0.84

00:39:49.540 okay what do you mean by incest

00:39:50.920 I'm just

00:39:51.220 incest 0.92

00:39:52.020 no

00:39:52.380 what's incest 0.89

00:39:52.880 what's the definition of incest

00:39:53.780 it's marrying someone

00:39:54.840 that you're related to

00:39:55.940 it's dating someone

00:39:56.580 who's defined that

00:39:58.240 for example

00:39:59.340 you're marrying your first cousin

00:40:00.300 how is she defined it

00:40:01.080 the laws

00:40:01.480 okay good

00:40:02.060 but that's my issue

00:40:02.700 but that's my issue

00:40:03.540 when you say society decides it

00:40:05.020 society is decided

00:40:06.120 from a subjective source

00:40:07.140 which is the brain

00:40:07.680 which they do not know

00:40:09.100 this is why I said to you

00:40:09.700 God is the all knowing

00:40:10.480 no it is the brain then

00:40:10.900 no God

00:40:11.480 no that's my argument

00:40:13.020 the subjective

00:40:13.640 people who don't believe in God

00:40:15.340 where do they get

00:40:16.360 their morality from

00:40:17.080 they observe

00:40:18.340 they think oh this is good

00:40:19.540 but we know

00:40:20.460 the harms

00:40:21.020 for example pornography

00:40:21.720 pornography is legal correct

00:40:22.700 yeah

00:40:23.560 it is one of the biggest

00:40:24.400 disasters on human history

00:40:25.740 and what it does

00:40:26.540 to human beings

00:40:27.220 okay

00:40:27.660 there are people like

00:40:28.360 Ted Bundy

00:40:28.740 who's going to do

00:40:29.180 a massive killing spree

00:40:30.440 because he saw

00:40:31.080 a pornographic magazine

00:40:32.080 when he was young

00:40:32.620 and God is watching that

00:40:33.700 and not getting involved

00:40:34.900 God

00:40:35.780 okay

00:40:36.300 God

00:40:36.920 no no no no

00:40:37.780 that's the point

00:40:38.920 that's why I said

00:40:40.020 that being

00:40:40.600 has to be the all wise

00:40:41.980 because there are things

00:40:43.080 that we don't understand

00:40:44.140 and just because

00:40:44.860 we don't understand

00:40:45.420 doesn't mean it's wrong

00:40:46.060 because there's a day of judgment

00:40:47.000 for your world view 0.97

00:40:48.140 a child that was raped 0.98

00:40:48.920 how could you give them

00:40:49.500 justice in this life

00:40:50.160 no way

00:40:51.440 okay

00:40:52.380 and how's that going to

00:40:52.960 bring them back anything

00:40:53.660 and for being counselling

00:40:55.380 and trying to

00:40:55.940 we have been a different

00:40:56.640 back to the side

00:40:57.220 good

00:40:57.660 good

00:40:58.260 but the point is

00:40:59.140 knowing that this hell

00:40:59.560 is not going to help them

00:41:00.360 cope or anything like that

00:41:01.340 that might not happen

00:41:03.140 if you punish someone

00:41:04.160 right now

00:41:04.680 they can see it

00:41:05.700 it's definite

00:41:06.440 we punish them

00:41:07.320 but like

00:41:07.920 telling them

00:41:09.000 there might be hell

00:41:09.820 it might be on the day

00:41:11.100 of judgment

00:41:11.440 okay good

00:41:12.280 that's my point

00:41:13.360 so we're saying

00:41:14.080 from our world view

00:41:14.860 there is justice

00:41:15.780 in the hereafter

00:41:16.540 there's this world

00:41:17.680 if you look at this world

00:41:18.380 just by our life

00:41:20.120 that we live here

00:41:20.700 nothing will make sense

00:41:21.760 that's why

00:41:22.640 God makes sense

00:41:23.680 to everything

00:41:24.480 morality

00:41:25.040 all this stuff

00:41:25.820 otherwise you have

00:41:26.520 subjective people

00:41:27.300 like for example

00:41:28.180 they're trying to

00:41:28.480 legalize pedophilia

00:41:29.060 and what do you define

00:41:31.400 as a legal age

00:41:32.000 in the UK it's 16

00:41:32.980 in France they made it 15

00:41:33.980 you go to

00:41:34.580 America it's 14

00:41:35.540 12

00:41:35.840 so where do you

00:41:37.020 I think in America 0.68

00:41:37.320 it's like 18

00:41:38.420 isn't it

00:41:38.840 no no no

00:41:39.520 in Turkey

00:41:40.600 in certain countries

00:41:42.140 but in certain states

00:41:43.200 with parents who

00:41:43.860 consider you can get

00:41:44.280 married at 12

00:41:44.780 there was 250,000

00:41:46.240 I mean I don't agree

00:41:46.840 with that

00:41:47.100 but then we have

00:41:47.640 studies on the brain

00:41:48.980 and the psychology

00:41:49.600 to understand

00:41:50.060 where someone can get

00:41:50.680 what I'm saying

00:41:52.600 is the following

00:41:53.100 when we don't have

00:41:54.500 God

00:41:54.860 we are all over the place

00:41:56.580 because we're trying

00:41:57.420 to find truth

00:41:58.060 we aren't always

00:41:58.420 all over the place

00:41:59.120 because in London

00:42:00.060 right now

00:42:00.620 in Britain right now

00:42:01.740 which is very secular

00:42:02.480 look at London

00:42:03.860 right now

00:42:04.240 are we all over the place

00:42:05.240 is London all over the place

00:42:06.600 is London all over the place

00:42:10.220 the reason why

00:42:11.800 the people who don't

00:42:12.360 and do believe in God

00:42:13.060 but the people who

00:42:13.760 don't believe in God

00:42:14.600 aren't always

00:42:15.280 all over the place

00:42:15.860 and it can even be

00:42:16.760 the people

00:42:17.140 it can even be

00:42:18.100 the people

00:42:18.340 what about

00:42:19.600 what about

00:42:20.060 what about

00:42:21.420 the Islamic countries

00:42:22.180 where they are

00:42:22.640 all over the place

00:42:23.220 and there are people

00:42:23.660 facing persecution

00:42:24.520 for being gay 0.86

00:42:25.520 for having adultery 0.86

00:42:26.960 for doing

00:42:28.060 things that

00:42:29.120 those countries

00:42:29.640 don't see as right

00:42:30.300 so what about

00:42:31.060 the people that

00:42:31.480 are suffering

00:42:31.780 and being all over

00:42:33.440 the place

00:42:33.700 in those countries

00:42:34.300 ok so the reason

00:42:35.180 is because

00:42:35.660 Islam deals with 1.00

00:42:36.440 protecting the

00:42:36.880 communal rights

00:42:37.340 as a whole

00:42:37.720 so for example

00:42:39.040 do you believe

00:42:39.480 drinking alcohol

00:42:40.200 casually is ok

00:42:41.200 yeah

00:42:42.260 why

00:42:42.720 because

00:42:43.980 because in this country

00:42:45.820 culture

00:42:46.800 and what people

00:42:47.380 want to do

00:42:47.740 we just believe

00:42:49.080 that if alcohol

00:42:50.020 in a limited

00:42:50.980 in like a tiny

00:42:52.340 like you know

00:42:53.180 restrained amount

00:42:53.840 not like you're

00:42:54.340 becoming an alcoholic

00:42:54.960 yeah

00:42:55.440 restrained amount

00:42:56.440 you know

00:42:56.820 occasionally that's ok

00:42:57.820 good so what you've

00:42:58.700 done is by society's

00:42:59.880 standards and peer

00:43:00.600 pressure and other

00:43:01.300 cultural things

00:43:02.300 you've decided that

00:43:03.580 someone just having

00:43:04.200 a little glass here

00:43:04.900 and also we can

00:43:05.620 just see the effects

00:43:06.500 of alcohol in the

00:43:07.100 brain on the liver

00:43:07.740 so we know that

00:43:08.660 in certain quantities

00:43:10.420 it can be ok

00:43:11.140 but in a large amount

00:43:12.200 it can just be

00:43:12.720 good so recent studies

00:43:13.720 recent studies show

00:43:15.180 opposite

00:43:15.560 the recent studies

00:43:16.160 show that any

00:43:17.020 form of alcohol

00:43:17.840 is not good for you

00:43:18.440 recent studies you

00:43:19.400 can check it

00:43:19.840 why

00:43:20.300 because let me

00:43:21.200 ask you a question

00:43:21.680 somebody drinks

00:43:22.580 and then they

00:43:24.060 swerve and hit

00:43:25.080 four people

00:43:25.540 which happens a lot

00:43:26.480 I was watching a

00:43:26.960 documentary a couple

00:43:27.940 of days ago

00:43:28.400 drink driver

00:43:29.480 but one second

00:43:31.320 what was it

00:43:31.740 that's like we're

00:43:32.580 saying

00:43:32.820 that moderation

00:43:34.720 that moderation

00:43:35.620 that guy started

00:43:36.320 I'm sure he didn't

00:43:36.840 wake up one day

00:43:37.340 and said I'm

00:43:37.620 going to have

00:43:37.840 four vodkas

00:43:38.320 he started with

00:43:39.420 a glass

00:43:40.020 and that glass

00:43:40.680 led to another

00:43:41.180 glass

00:43:41.500 and another glass

00:43:42.180 drinking more

00:43:47.860 is though

00:43:48.360 it's like

00:43:49.480 eating a lot

00:43:50.340 of junk food

00:43:50.780 let's do that

00:43:51.340 Faisal

00:43:52.020 that's my point

00:43:54.200 my point is this

00:43:55.220 what Islam does 1.00

00:43:56.220 is the following

00:43:56.680 prevention

00:43:57.660 is better than

00:43:58.580 cure

00:43:58.960 instead of saying

00:44:00.300 hey look guys

00:44:00.780 Islam says 0.87

00:44:01.500 no no no

00:44:01.980 my friend

00:44:02.560 one person

00:44:03.680 no

00:44:04.520 this is what

00:44:05.100 I'm saying

00:44:05.480 you're behind a

00:44:07.080 casino

00:44:07.380 do you know

00:44:08.220 how many lives

00:44:08.700 get to show

00:44:09.020 about a casino

00:44:09.420 do you know

00:44:09.900 how many men

00:44:10.280 commit suicide

00:44:11.240 because they

00:44:11.900 spend their

00:44:12.380 wealth

00:44:12.820 on

00:44:13.300 they go here

00:44:14.440 a woman 0.57

00:44:15.160 but the whole

00:44:15.480 point is the

00:44:15.940 law gives them

00:44:16.440 that we will

00:44:17.260 to do that

00:44:17.700 but that's

00:44:18.260 the point

00:44:18.840 the point is

00:44:19.720 this is why

00:44:20.760 Islam

00:44:21.260 this is why

00:44:22.160 Islam

00:44:22.520 I believe

00:44:23.340 is the truth

00:44:23.700 of religions

00:44:24.280 because God

00:44:25.580 tells you

00:44:26.360 what is good

00:44:27.260 for you

00:44:27.560 before you

00:44:28.020 test trial 1.00

00:44:28.620 and kill 1.00

00:44:29.100 yourself 1.00

00:44:29.500 casino

00:44:29.940 there's certain

00:44:30.700 things in religion

00:44:31.380 that you might

00:44:31.860 believe aren't

00:44:32.280 good for you

00:44:32.620 anyway

00:44:32.860 let's talk about

00:44:33.440 what is good

00:44:33.880 for you

00:44:34.180 casino

00:44:34.600 going and gambling

00:44:35.560 a man who

00:44:36.520 has kids at

00:44:37.200 home

00:44:37.500 goes and takes

00:44:38.380 his life savings

00:44:39.160 and wastes it

00:44:40.460 in under 10

00:44:41.220 minutes

00:44:41.540 is that good

00:44:42.420 or bad

00:44:42.680 okay

00:44:43.680 yes it can be

00:44:44.380 bad

00:44:44.520 but someone

00:44:44.840 on the fifth

00:44:45.960 side

00:44:46.240 with Islam

00:44:46.860 someone

00:44:47.220 has their

00:44:47.920 sexuality

00:44:48.780 their orientation

00:44:49.740 that can be

00:44:50.940 bad for them

00:44:51.340 too

00:44:51.540 there's loads

00:44:52.320 of mental

00:44:52.640 health consequences

00:44:53.500 for doing that

00:44:54.000 we will come

00:44:54.500 to that

00:44:54.840 my argument

00:44:55.400 is let's deal

00:44:56.080 with what

00:44:56.720 God says

00:44:57.580 drinking alcohol

00:44:58.740 is it good

00:44:59.780 or bad

00:45:00.000 it's the biggest

00:45:00.520 poison on earth 0.66

00:45:01.520 that is legal

00:45:02.100 you know how many

00:45:02.920 people go to

00:45:03.360 NHS

00:45:03.660 liver cancer

00:45:04.420 breast cancer

00:45:05.300 which is caused

00:45:05.800 by that by the way

00:45:06.600 I think it's really

00:45:07.060 funny because they do

00:45:07.560 a march for breast

00:45:08.480 cancer and they go

00:45:09.060 and drink the

00:45:09.380 ceremony with wine

00:45:09.900 which causes the

00:45:10.740 breast cancer

00:45:11.140 it doesn't cause

00:45:12.060 you just to have

00:45:12.720 a glass of wine

00:45:13.600 I'm making an argument

00:45:14.840 that if you have

00:45:15.580 junk food

00:45:16.080 too much of it

00:45:16.760 you'll have to do

00:45:17.320 the same thing

00:45:17.720 I'm sorry

00:45:18.740 9.36

00:45:21.300 do you mind if we

00:45:22.100 go off to

00:45:22.860 do you want to go

00:45:23.400 to the quick place

00:45:24.160 now

00:45:24.380 yeah

00:45:24.740 do you mind if we

00:45:25.820 we're going to go

00:45:26.220 to the quick place

00:45:26.820 that's fine

00:45:27.140 yeah that's fine

00:45:27.880 bye bye

00:45:28.220 bye bye

00:45:28.380 alright well thank you

00:45:29.780 bye bye

00:45:30.220 bye bye

00:45:30.340 yeah so anyways

00:45:33.980 there you can see guys

00:45:35.400 we're trying to make

00:45:37.040 some nice discussions

00:45:38.200 but yeah look

00:45:39.100 you know what

00:45:39.400 this is this issue

00:45:39.960 you know we're

00:45:40.340 trying to make

00:45:40.740 arguments for why

00:45:42.000 God exists etc

00:45:42.760 I mean you can't

00:45:43.940 really force people

00:45:44.460 if somebody doesn't

00:45:44.900 want to believe

00:45:45.200 they don't want to

00:45:45.540 believe you know

00:45:45.940 and I was there

00:45:46.540 having a discussion

00:45:47.080 a dialogue

00:45:47.520 trying to prove to

00:45:49.340 them but it's just

00:45:49.960 like one after another

00:45:50.520 bang bang bang bang

00:45:51.140 and then before I

00:45:51.840 can answer it

00:45:52.400 we're gonna go

00:45:53.000 why

00:45:53.620 because it makes

00:45:55.000 sense it makes

00:45:55.440 logical explanation

00:45:56.360 it makes sense

00:45:56.840 so anyways I ask

00:45:58.420 Allah to guide them

00:45:59.760 inshaAllah

00:46:01.000 the prophet

00:46:01.800 said whoever

00:46:03.520 builds a masjid 0.93

00:46:04.400 for the sake of

00:46:04.960 Allah Allah

00:46:05.760 will build for

00:46:07.240 him a similar

00:46:08.460 house in Jannah

00:46:09.480 on that day

00:46:10.660 where Allah

00:46:11.120 tells us

00:46:12.300 that our books

00:46:13.020 will be given

00:46:13.520 and every little

00:46:15.120 atom weight

00:46:15.820 of good deed

00:46:16.280 you've done

00:46:16.680 we'll be there

00:46:17.520 and imagine

00:46:18.460 you see a mountain

00:46:19.500 and you're like

00:46:20.360 what a lucky person

00:46:21.380 which righteous

00:46:22.400 person

00:46:22.920 and Allah says

00:46:24.260 this is for you

00:46:25.040 for me

00:46:25.720 yes

00:46:26.420 what did I do

00:46:27.440 you allowed

00:46:28.860 people to pray

00:46:29.540 you built a masjid 0.95

00:46:30.580 I never had the money

00:46:31.420 to build a masjid 0.99

00:46:32.020 oh Allah

00:46:32.320 you helped

00:46:33.660 you gave towards it

00:46:34.860 and Allah gives you 0.75

00:46:35.560 the reward

00:46:36.000 of as if you've built it

00:46:37.380 donate now guys

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00:46:44.380 destinies

00:46:45.320 when the world

00:46:45.840 to take

00:46:46.140 you

00:46:46.740 and you

00:46:47.620 can see

00:46:48.440 people

00:46:49.080 know

00:46:49.380 what about

00:46:50.620 identify

00:46:50.840 as a

00:46:51.660 a

00:46:53.160 attack

00:46:54.120 on the

00:46:54.700 country

00:46:55.620 as a

00:46:56.220 most apparently

00:46:56.620 I can see

00:46:58.640 that

00:46:59.220 what about

00:47:01.140 the

00:47:01.700 thing

00:47:02.360 will

00:47:02.940 you

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