00:00:05.000We have a great show for you tonight and a very special guest who will be joining us shortly.
00:00:13.000We will still be doing our call in show for all of our premium members who are asking me.
00:00:17.000We'll be doing our guest, the very special Yusuf, who brought death and destruction to the autistic libertarians and the capitalist shills on Steven Crowder's Change My Mind special.
00:01:08.000Let me just pull you up on the screen here and we can get started.
00:01:11.000Everybody's been dying to have you on the show because we all saw the eternal blowing out of Mr. Steven Crowder, and we appreciate your service to the Nazbol Nation.
00:01:50.000So, I'm a computer science major at the University of Illinois at Urbana Champaign.
00:01:54.000And I would say that my politics are probably conservative and progressive a little bit.
00:02:00.000You know, I think that progressive politics is the right way forward for this country in terms of, you know, raising wages for the working class.
00:02:09.000But that I think the Democrats have gone in the wrong direction with respect to encouraging mass immigration and especially illegal immigration.
00:02:15.000I think that it's actually harming the working class.
00:02:17.000And so we can, I know the conservatives, that's something the conservatives are concerned about.
00:02:21.000So there can be some, I think there could be a coalition forming in that direction.
00:02:37.000All right, I just got an alert from Skype.
00:02:39.000But I think it's a little bit interesting that you describe yourself as a progressive because this is something I think a lot of people on the right have been talking about for a long time since the Trump election.
00:02:49.000Which is that overlap between the far right and people on the left who want to help out the working class, where those interests converge.
00:02:57.000And the reason we're having you on, of course, is because you went toe to toe with Mr. Steven Crowder on the question of socialism.
00:03:04.000And I think there are those critiques from both the left and the right of where capitalism falls short of both of our goals.
00:03:10.000And so could you tell us a little bit about your encounter with Steven Crowder for people that maybe didn't see the whole thing?
00:03:17.000Could you give us a little refresher on what exactly that was all about from your perspective?
00:03:21.000Yeah, so Steven Crowder has a series called Change My Mind where he puts up a statement on a banner.
00:03:27.000And so in that one, it was socialism is evil.
00:03:29.000And the premise of that is that people are going to come from the audience that disagree with him and are going to argue with him to try to change his mind.
00:03:36.000Now, what people were talking about in the debate was that he wasn't necessarily really open to having his mind changed.
00:03:43.000And there were all sorts of debate tactics, like, you know, taking away the mic and, you know, and not allowing me to finish my points that seemed to indicate that it was not so much about changing his mind as about.
00:03:55.000Demonstrating to his audience that his preconceived views are correct.
00:04:00.000And so I think most people who watched the video were able to see that, that that was the case.
00:04:04.000And it seemed like in the comment section, at least people were siding with me.
00:04:26.000But that first guy that you debated, it seems like you went away.
00:04:30.000And I got to say, I have to hand it to you.
00:04:33.000I have to hand you a little bit of respect because for me to watch you sit there and calm and respectfully rebut his points, despite, like you said, yanking the microphone away, and I could see several times getting in your personal space, getting right up in there, pandering to the crowd the whole time.
00:04:51.000I mean, that was, aside from even the debate, the most striking thing to me was just how rude he was, right?
00:04:57.000I mean, he kept saying to you, you know, this is a debate, it's one on one.
00:05:23.000And the point I was trying to make was that if you're a conservative and you're concerned about mass immigration and particularly illegal immigration, it's impossible to miss the fact that the dynamics that are driving this illegal immigration to the United States.
00:05:36.000Is a desire by certain employers to get lower wages, lower wage workers than the kind of workers they have here.
00:05:42.000You know, I like to say that illegal immigration is sort of the counterpart of outsourcing.
00:05:46.000You know, companies that want to get cheaper labor, they can either outsource their factories or they can bring cheaper third world workers into the United States.
00:05:53.000But it's fundamentally the same dynamic.
00:05:56.000And the people that are the big losers at the end of the day, economically speaking, are the working class.
00:06:01.000So if you're a conservative and you're opposed to this sort of mass immigration, illegal immigration trend, You should be siding with the working class and adopting more pro working class politics.
00:06:10.000Exactly, yeah, and I think that's fair.
00:06:12.000And I know a lot of people, a lot of my viewers lean very heavily conservative.
00:06:32.000And I would say I think that's a valid critique.
00:06:35.000Whatever your thoughts are about the broader system, I think what you present to that conversation of this normy idea of capitalism is everything, the capitalism of the free market, that's the hill to die on.
00:06:48.000I think, regardless of the broader ideology, you present an extremely valid critique of capitalism in the 21st century, which is that from both sides, we want to see the working class do well.
00:06:59.000We want the people of the country to do well.
00:07:01.000And either from a demographic or a cultural angle or just plain economic, immigration really does harm that.
00:07:07.000And so you came there, you really challenged him.
00:07:09.000It was great to see him kind of backpedaling.
00:07:12.000And it was clear that he didn't want to change his mind, which is unfortunate.
00:07:17.000Does that mean that you are, would you call yourself mostly a left wing person, or is it just on that economic issue?
00:07:25.000I think that we can distinguish between two aspects of the right.
00:07:29.000Just like, or sorry, on the left, just like the right is really a coalition in the sense that you have neocons, you have Christian conservatives, you've got capitalists who don't necessarily have to agree on all the issues, but simply come together out of political convenience.
00:07:43.000On the left, we have this coalition between your corporate Democrats like Hillary Clinton, SJWs, as they are referred to on the internet, and the old working class of the Democratic Party.
00:07:53.000And these are not necessarily the same thing.
00:07:55.000So, I think when people use the term progressive, they sort of lump all these groups in the same label.
00:08:00.000But in fact, when you look at some of the old progressive activists or working class activists of the past, people like Cesar Chavez, who was an organizer of farm workers in California and other states, and he was saying, look, illegal immigration is harming farm workers in this country.
00:08:16.000They're like scabs crossing the picket line at a union strike, they're lowering wages.
00:08:20.000As recently as 2016, Bernie Sanders, in an interview with Ezra Klein, said that Ezra Klein was proposing open borders, so he's more of the corporate Democrat type.
00:08:28.000And Bernie's like, well, wait a minute, that's a Koch brothers policy.
00:08:31.000You would completely destroy the working class if you just allowed a billion immigrants to come in and had completely open borders.
00:08:39.000So I do think there is a core of the progressive movement, the working class Democrats, that could be peeled away from the left if conservatives were speaking to them in a way that was more to their liking.
00:08:52.000But to do that, I think they would have to drop this emphasis on 100% capitalism.
00:08:56.000And my point is conservatives should drop capitalism because.
00:08:59.000You know, everywhere we see now, conservatives aren't really benefiting from the domination of big business.
00:09:04.000I mean, just look at the controversy over social media and censorship and that sort of thing.
00:09:08.000You know, it really doesn't work for conservatives now to take the 100% capitalist position.
00:09:14.000And that's something we've been talking about on the show for a long time, which is that if conservatives dropped that GDP worship, dropped the free market capitalism, that ideological worship of that, and they appealed to working class Democrats, White working class Democrats, or even any, I think, working class Democrats.
00:09:33.000I think that's one of the ways that you could salvage a state like Texas electorally, is with an economic nationalist message.
00:09:39.000I think Hispanics, blacks, I think a lot of people would be on board with that because, like you said, capitalism doesn't benefit, or at least the free trade, international finance kind of capitalism we've had for 25 years just simply doesn't benefit the vast majority of the electorate.
00:09:55.000And I think that's something that Trump did very successfully.
00:09:59.000You know, I think many conservatives, Reagan worshipers, and even some Bernie people, Said that this is one of the things that Trump did well.
00:10:07.000You know, the way that he appealed to the working class by going after free trade, going after NAFTA, the TPP, talking about health care, for example, where Rand Paul, I think in the second or first presidential debate, said, Oh, you're for socialized health care.
00:10:19.000You said you'd take care of everybody, which is not typical Republican orthodoxy.
00:10:23.000And I wanted to get your thoughts on Trump because I think Trump represents kind of this proto workers' party for the Republican Party.
00:10:31.000He's not all the way there, but I think he kind of introduced the idea.
00:10:40.000I would say that I think that he fell short of a number of his promises.
00:10:45.000You did mention that he was talking about giving health care to everybody, and that's true.
00:10:49.000But unfortunately, he spent the first half of his first term completely going along with the Paul Ryan agenda.
00:10:56.000I mean, he gave a big tax cut to the billionaire class, so people like George Soros got a big tax cut.
00:11:02.000The average Trump voter probably does not get a very large tax cut, and those tax cuts obviously will expire, not for the upper class, but for the middle class.
00:11:09.000And yeah, and also he pushed that healthcare bill.
00:11:12.000But what he didn't do was push aggressively on immigration.
00:11:15.000I mean, there were various bills that were being introduced, like the RAISE Act, which was talking about reducing legal immigration by about 50% and changing the focus of legal immigration from unskilled workers to skilled workers.
00:11:29.000That's something that would have benefited the working class, but he didn't spend nearly as much energy and attention and time pushing that as he did some of the more capitalistic priorities of people like Paul Ryan.
00:11:40.000So I think the Trump Maybe got duped or fooled by his party into thinking that if he gave them their priorities, they would give him his priorities, and they obviously haven't.
00:11:50.000Right, yeah, no, and that's a fair critique.
00:11:52.000And I think a lot of people on this show, a lot of people have said that.
00:11:56.000The fact that we used, and I don't know if you're aware of this, but there is a very specific rule in the Senate, the Budget Reconciliation Act, where the rule is one bill per year, you can pass it with a simple majority in the Senate as opposed to a two thirds majority.
00:12:09.000And we spent that one time that we had, our one off rule on that, to get tax cuts instead of the wall, instead of immigration.
00:12:31.000I think that's been the battle between what we call the white pillars and the black pillars on Trump, is people who say, and I think it's always a fair critique that we did go too hard on the capitalistic type stuff, maybe in a bid to get Koch Brother money, Sheldon Adelson money for the midterms, but that it has been seen as a failure or maybe a betrayal of those more promising things that he was talking about during the election.
00:13:30.000When you look at typical Bernie voters, and especially people that are very entrenched in that movement, there is an enormous frustration with the state of the Democratic Party.
00:13:38.000I mean, the Democrat, if people think the Republican Party is corrupt, the Democratic Party is beyond corrupt.
00:13:43.000You know, they have the super delegates, so they literally give, you know, insiders more votes than ordinary people.
00:13:50.000And there is a clear attempt by the DNC to undermine the viability of basically the election campaign of Bernie Sanders.
00:13:58.000So I do think there is a very substantial element.
00:14:01.000Of Bernie voters that could be persuaded to vote for Trump.
00:14:05.000But the key thing to understand is that I think that they are more into the economic message than the identity politics.
00:14:12.000Hillary Clinton was the big promoter of identity politics.
00:14:15.000She was the one talking about racial justice and that sort of thing.
00:14:19.000And Bernie was taking a much more economic approach.
00:14:22.000So I think that when you look at this phenomenon of former Obama voters that vote twice for Obama going to Trump, the economic message really does influence a lot of people.
00:14:33.000And if you can also hit those points about anti war and anti the big banks, for example, and giving people access to affordable health care, I think a lot of people would be persuadable.
00:14:44.000But in order to do that, there would have to be a fundamental shift within the Republican Party away from this constant appeasement of corporate and capitalistic interests.
00:14:54.000I think that's a fair point because you look at the Democrats, even in some of these primaries leading up to 2018, and there is a lot, a lot of dissatisfaction among progressives in the party.
00:15:07.000Republicans may not be so cognizant of.
00:15:09.000I mean, we hear about blue wave, we hear about Democratic solidarity, and really, for example, in the Texas primary, you saw in some of those races between the Democrats themselves, there's just an outright civil war between the far left people who are there on the issues and the corporate Democratic Party.
00:15:26.000And I look at the state of the Republican Party today, and I look at who they appeal to in their platform, in their optics, in their messaging, and they're appealing to the white, Christian, conservative, in some degree Southern, like evangelical voters.
00:15:41.000And you look at the numbers of people in the country, and that core just is not enough to keep the Republican Party viable in national elections anymore.
00:15:49.000You know, you think about 2020 or 2024, if somebody like Trump isn't running, if it was Ted Cruz, you're not going to be able to compete in the Midwest.
00:15:56.000You're not going to be able to compete in the Rust Belt.
00:15:59.000Sooner or later, you're not going to be able to compete in the Southwest or in the Southeast.
00:16:03.000And so I think that's really the only way that we can compete with the Democrats in the short term, even the long term, is to peel away those progressives.
00:16:12.000And then I would ask, I guess, the secondary question, because I'm a very strong Christian, we're very strong cultural conservatives on the show.
00:16:22.000Is maybe the viability of a party that is culturally conservative?
00:16:25.000Do you think that, you know, maybe we bring in affordable health care, we bring in anti war, we bring in maybe the more progressive economics?
00:16:35.000Or do you think that the cultural conservatism would hurt our chances with the Democrats?
00:16:40.000Is that to what extent does that affect the viability of bringing them over in your mind?
00:16:46.000I do think there is a divide on cultural issues, and that's not something that's going to go away in one election cycle.
00:16:52.000In my personal opinion, I think that emphasizing the economic message would be the best way to go forward.
00:16:58.000And not just an economic message, but what I hear on shows like this is this constant critique of the war in Syria and the sort of pro Israel foreign policy.
00:17:07.000It's like, yeah, I think there are a lot of left wing voters that see things exactly the same way.
00:17:12.000They might not identify the exact cause.
00:17:14.000They might say, oh, it's because of oil, it's because of the military industrial complex.
00:17:17.000But regardless, there is that sort of consensus of like, this is bad.
00:17:21.000And so I do think that there are certain kinds of messages.
00:17:24.000That can unite these different coalitions.
00:17:26.000I don't think that cultural conservatism is necessarily one of those messages, but like all political coalitions, the different factions in a party are not going to agree on everything.
00:17:37.000And so it's more about finding those issues that people can agree on enough to overlook the disagreements.
00:17:44.000Yeah, that's a great point about coalitions because I think too often you get people who have one view of the world and they think that we've just got to get that group of people to be the biggest as opposed to.
00:17:56.000Working with people that are parallel, that are alongside, that agree on certain issues.
00:18:01.000And that's, I think, the best way to do it is to set priorities, is to say, you know, look, Democrats or look, progressives or Green Party people.
00:18:09.000And this is something even Richard Spencer talks about.
00:18:11.000You know, when I was, I saw him at CPAC and we talked about this as well, who many people consider him extreme far right.
00:18:19.000I wouldn't say he's classically more conservative than many people in this country, but he himself said, I think we're seeing a lot of people come around on the left as well, you know, in a weird kind of.
00:18:31.000You know, we hate horseshoe theory, but it kind of does work in this case where we are seeing these two parts come together.
00:18:37.000And I think that's where the future is in the country, where we will trace the new fault line is not between, you know, the old school boomer conservatives and boomer lefties, but between the corporate coastal elites and the more populist, grassroots, working class type people.
00:18:56.000And I think you're right on the money about that.
00:19:26.000But yeah, I mean, I decided to confront Crowder because.
00:19:31.000I just felt that his version of conservatism was, frankly, not good for the country and not even good for most conservatives.
00:19:37.000So I want to get back to a point you made earlier.
00:19:39.000You were talking about the cultural conservative issue.
00:19:42.000And, you know, it just, I just realized, you know, in the 1950s, for example, which most cultural conservatives will point to as being this golden age of conservative values, you know, people forget like the top marginal tax rate on incomes was over 90%.
00:19:55.000You know, this phenomenon of like you have one man taking care of the entire family and having a wife that stays at home and lots of kids, that's very financially expensive.
00:20:03.000And, you know, we're seeing statistics now with like millennials are buying homes at a later time and, you know, are having fewer kids and all these sort of cultural trends that are being driven, at least in part, by, The growing inequality between the working class and the upper class.
00:20:18.000So, I wouldn't even think that conservatism is necessarily a liability.
00:20:22.000It could even be a justification for a lot of these more progressive policies of giving workers a greater ability to live that traditional lifestyle.
00:20:30.000Yeah, well, and that's certainly where I came from on criticizing the free market system.
00:20:35.000People always tell me when I posit a more distributist lens on economics or something that is more geared towards the social good as opposed to an economic good.
00:20:45.000People will always tell me, well, you just haven't read enough Milton Friedman.
00:20:50.000You just haven't read enough Thomas Sowell.
00:20:54.000I was the biggest free market shill that you had ever met when I was in high school.
00:20:58.000And then I came around to understanding, well, my values really are the public good.
00:21:03.000And you said in that debate, you said you defined evil as bad for society.
00:21:07.000And I think I came around, as opposed to that individualist lens, to a conception of the society as we need to support families, we need to support people.
00:21:17.000And Maybe that comes at the cost of economic efficiency.
00:21:20.000And I don't know if I necessarily call myself a socialist.
00:21:23.000I don't think, you know, people might call you a socialist, but they think Soviet Union, they think Venezuela, like you said in the debate.
00:21:29.000But maybe we're just looking at something that's like a social democracy.
00:21:33.000Maybe you have a market economy, but you have certain government or public programs that are there or some kind of a public consciousness in government that you want to support this kind of a society.
00:21:44.000And maybe it has to come at the cost of economic efficiency.
00:21:50.000Yeah, I use the term socialism just because on the right it's become a catch all for any kind of program that benefits the social good.
00:21:57.000So obviously I'm not defending Soviet style central economic planning, but I use the term socialism partly to trigger Crowder and his fans and partly to emphasize that yes, there is a role for government in promoting the social good.
00:22:10.000And if you think that promoting social good is this great evil thing and we're going to call it socialism is terrible, then I'm going to use the word socialism and say that I'm for it and argue why we should support it.
00:22:19.000So it's not so much the word and The words and the semantics that really matter to me.
00:22:23.000It's about the ideas at the end of the day.
00:22:26.000I like that a lot because that's actually a really great answer.
00:22:30.000Because I think a lot of people would say, and a lot of people have said, you know, that that's probably not the best way to go about it because socialism is a dirty word.
00:22:37.000And you know how much money is poured in by these major corporations into Turning Point USA, into Young Americans for Liberty to make socialism the catch all, like you said, for centralized government planning, you know.
00:22:51.000You're for, and I've even heard this when I went to CPAC.
00:22:54.000I've heard this from a Cato Institute scholar who said, and he told, this is not even a joke.
00:22:59.000He said that if we wanted to institute immigration quotas or limitations on immigration, he said that was a Soviet style restriction.
00:23:45.000Yeah, but it's also kind of just this meme that we have online, you know, just to trigger the Charlie Kirks, the diaper wearing people of the world.
00:23:53.000And then I would ask, I guess, the final frontier here, which I'm sure people are dying to wonder maybe you're more, you lean this way in economics and you say that if you want to support conservative ends, culturally and otherwise, you would support these progressive economic measures.
00:24:52.000This is the consensus basically among young people, young hedonists, who it's like they want to smoke pot and have sex and they also don't want to pay taxes and they don't want the corporations to do their thinking for them in economics.
00:25:04.000And I think the answer to that in many ways could be described as socially conservative, fiscally liberal, which people think is counterintuitive.
00:25:12.000But even you reference the 1950s where they had a high marginal tax rate and they had conservative family values.
00:25:18.000I think back in the day, that was the case for the Democrats.
00:25:52.000So, I'll have to jump into the live chat and we'll see what people are saying.
00:25:57.000Maybe we'll get some super chats as we're looking in the live chat.
00:26:00.000Because I know the last time I had JF on and people were asking questions after he had left, I was like, I can't ask him the questions because he went away.
00:26:09.000So, let's see what people are asking about.
00:26:12.000So, people are, I think, very supportive of this.
00:26:17.000They're saying, yes, this is the future.
00:26:19.000People are saying it's national socialism.
00:26:24.000Call yourself a national socialist, or are you?
00:26:26.000I know that's kind of a loaded phrase, but I would say that that particular movement is a historical movement in a particular country in a particular time.
00:26:35.000And so I would say that the views that I'm representing are, in a sense, a form of right wing socialism, which has a long history, actually.
00:26:43.000Otto von Bismarck could be characterized as a right wing socialist.
00:26:47.000I know some Tories back in the 19th century had some more, like One Nation Conservatism, for example, was a right wing socialist movement.
00:27:35.000You know, I think that the Second Amendment, or at least the push to take it away, is really a power move by the government to disarm and disempower citizens.
00:27:45.000And it's really not going to help because we see what's happening in London right now.
00:27:48.000I believe the crime rate with knives is higher than the violence in New York City.
00:28:50.000So I because I happen to agree, I happen to have like the same view on that.
00:28:55.000You're right, and that is that does strike, I think, a very nationalist tone, right?
00:28:59.000I mean, this idea of doing these great projects and not necessarily for those ends in themselves, but about pointing the country in a direction towards a goal, rallying behind something, whatever it is, science.
00:29:13.000Disease, war, you know what, or not war, but, you know, something great.
00:29:50.000I think we have to be careful with that because it could very well turn into a subsidy for corporations.
00:29:55.000So, if you have a universal basic income and everybody's getting some amount of money, there's a danger that that would be used to, for example, lower the minimum wage to zero, for example.
00:30:04.000People say, well, why do we need a minimum wage now if we have basic income?
00:30:07.000But what that would enable is for wages to fall essentially to zero.
00:30:11.000Like you could pay someone, you know, one cents an hour, let's say, and because they're getting their basic income, you know, it's not going to matter to them.
00:30:18.000So, it could turn into a backhanded subsidy for big corporations.
00:30:21.000In the same way that people complain about Walmart workers today getting food stamps and getting all these benefits, and so Walmart can get away with paying them very low wages, I would be in favor of a program, say, to give people that are unemployed some form of assistance, and I don't have a problem with that.
00:30:38.000So, it's just about making sure that it's not subsidizing the big corporations.
00:30:44.000That's a good point because I think a lot of people think about it, and specifically conservatives think about the UBI on the labor side of it.
00:30:51.000They think, well, People are going to get lazy.
00:30:53.000People are going to leech off the system, and there would be no incentive to work.
00:30:57.000But I think very few people think about it in terms of on the corporate side of things that you're right.
00:31:01.000And the way that Walmart functions, its business model is basically subsidized by the federal government because they can pay these outrageously low wages, have these low prices, because the government will be there to provide food stamps and all the rest.
00:31:57.000And it's actually down from an all time high of about 2.2%.
00:32:00.0001% of the undocumented population annually getting deported.
00:32:04.000So I do think that these deportations are, you know, if not counterproductive, at least not effective at all in terms of solving the actual problem, which is the fact that we have so many people in this country.
00:32:15.000I would be much more interested in seeing the US government really going after the employers of these illegal immigrants because ultimately that's why people come here in the first place.
00:32:35.000I mean, he was one of the biggest hires of illegal immigrants.
00:32:38.000And, you know, it just seems to me that, you know, Trump and the Republican Party in general has not taken the right approach to dealing with this problem.
00:32:46.000They should go after the corporations, they should go after big business.
00:32:49.000I think the focus on deportation might actually be very misplaced.
00:32:53.000That's actually funny because, you know, you scour to find something that we might find an issue with, but that's something that actually me and when I was in business, it was.
00:33:03.000When I was in business with James Alsop, that's actually something we fought about a lot on our podcast, Nationalist Review, because I think a lot of people on the far right, their mind is at the place of physical removal.
00:33:14.000And it's very one track, it's very simple.
00:33:17.000You have people, we have to take them and move them out.
00:33:20.000And I always used to say on this show, as a counter to that, in the same way that you did, go after the welfare, go after the jobs, eliminate the incentive for them to come and stay here, and that'll take care of a big part of the problem.
00:33:32.000So I think actually, I think we're on the same page on that one as well.
00:33:35.000It's something that's not talked about enough because you're right.
00:33:38.000The idea of deporting 13 million people is an enormous logistical and fiscal task.
00:34:26.000You know, I think that the right approach is through government regulation.
00:34:30.000You know, unfortunately, there are these companies and they are established.
00:34:33.000And, you know, because of network effects, there's probably not going to be another competitor to Facebook or YouTube or, you know, Google.
00:34:39.000That's going to come and disrupt that market.
00:34:41.000So, really, the only way to do that is through government regulation and actually to appropriate progressive arguments against monopolies, antitrust law, that sort of thing.
00:34:51.000And I think the right way forward would be to treat these tech companies as public utilities.
00:34:55.000You can't turn off someone's water because they have a bad political opinion, let's say.
00:35:00.000And it should be the same thing with access to the internet, access to social media, that sort of thing.
00:35:04.000So, I would take it in a more progressive direction, start using government regulation.
00:35:15.000Like you were saying earlier, I think you brought this up even earlier in the argument against conservatives' embrace of capitalism, where you see people like Ben Shapiro and Steven Crowder, they will defend censorship on Twitter and Facebook effectively by saying, well, we're against it, but our hands are tied.
00:36:23.000I think it's possible that Trump would have had to go more populist if Bernie was in the race, but it's hard to say.
00:36:28.000I think with Trump's existing platform, it would have been hard, but maybe with Bernie in the race, we would have actually gotten universal health care and that sort of thing from Trump.
00:37:04.000Usually, people who are interested in politics like this and have these ideas, they're the autists, you know, and they come on and it's a little bit difficult.
00:44:23.000I don't think you go far enough on the Second Amendment.
00:44:25.000During the Second Amendment debate, when you were confronted about grenades, hand grenades, and rocket launchers, you kind of backed down and said you don't think we should be allowed to own them.
00:45:16.000You know, in that regard, I start to understand the left wing point of view in the sense that do we really trust people to have an RPG and handle that responsibly?
00:45:40.000Well, first, I'll say that destructive devices, as they're classified under the ATF, some people are actually allowed to own those with the proper licensing.
00:45:50.000It's just like fully automatic machine guns.
00:45:52.000There are what you call dealer samples.
00:45:55.000Firearms manufacturers and dealers are allowed to keep them so that they can display them to law enforcement agencies, military groups, things like that.
00:46:36.000I just think that at some point you have to draw the line.
00:46:39.000I just think at some point you have to make a decision in the interest of the public good that, you know, if you are able, even if it's expensive, even if it's difficult to acquire, I mean, with that kind of weaponry, you really could have like a serious.
00:46:58.000Yeah, I mean, a threat to the government, but is that always a good thing?
00:47:01.000You know, on the one hand, I think a semi automatic rifle makes it so that you could be a threat to the government if the government alienated enough people.
00:47:10.000But if you had like five people with RPGs, like they can secede from the country, they could establish their own, you know, I mean, so they could do their own thing.
00:47:21.000Like a real catboy compound up in the world, huh?
00:48:27.000You need people like that on your side.
00:48:29.000I take it, it's great to me that we have people like Joe as opposed to some of the people that congregate a little bit on this side, right?
00:51:55.000They were actually reporting about this a lot on antiwar.com and how there was a big push in the Senate basically to rein in because right now there's, I think there are in Yemen and we are refueling.
00:52:10.000We're working in concert with the United Arab Emirates in Yemen right now to take out Al Qaeda in the south of Yemen.
00:52:18.000And the War Powers Resolution would say that would force the Pentagon essentially to.
00:52:24.000To send all the troops that were not fighting Al Qaeda in Yemen back home.
00:52:29.000Essentially, if they were fighting or helping the Saudi effort in the Yemeni civil war, that would be outside of the bounds of the authorization of force for the war on terror.
00:52:39.000Because, you know, they basically said you can have guys fighting the terrorists in Yemen, you can't have them helping fight the civil war with the Saudis.
00:52:46.000And they said refueling the planes was helping the Saudis.
00:52:49.000And actually, the Pentagon forced all of them to back down on that resolution.
00:52:54.000They forced it so that it's not going to come to a vote, it's basically been dropped.
00:52:58.000Yeah, I think even Mattis wrote a letter or something to address them.
00:53:04.000Yeah, something like, hey, you fellas better not do that.
00:53:10.000Yeah, well, I mean, you know why that is.
00:53:11.000It's because, you know, as much as we'd like to think that Republicans are ideologically consistent on these kinds of things, at the end of the day, the war concerns Saudi Arabia's national security interests.
00:53:25.000Saudi Arabia is heavily invested in our politics and our government.
00:53:30.000And so, on the one hand, you can understand a national security and a strategic interest.
00:53:34.000But on the other hand, you just follow the money.
00:54:02.000I guess it's the youthful presence that's going on right now.
00:54:06.000And it's a different idea, like, especially having Yusuf on earlier, like, it helped me really think about, like, where do I stand on these positions?
00:54:15.000And it's just really changing my politics because, I mean, I'm not just a bloodthirsty neocot anymore.
00:54:22.000I mean, I think a lot of people are realigning because these two parties no longer reflect where I think the two opinions are in America in the sense that the parties are supposed to communicate.
00:54:35.000The most important fault lines in the country.
00:54:37.000And now both of them are corporate and they're the same.
00:54:41.000And on all the important issues, they have the same approach on immigration, on foreign policy, on trade.
00:56:12.000I'm against a war to change the regime in Syria, I'm against a war against Assad, I'm against any kind of major intervention that would escalate into war with Russia.
00:56:23.000But so long as it's a limited one off strike, it doesn't escalate, it doesn't turn into a war against Assad or larger involvement against Assad, I don't think anybody should have too much of a problem unless you're like a moralist in terms of your foreign policy that people dying is the end of the world.
00:57:08.000Well, originally I only had one question, but since the Ruskies are saying that we faked this gas attack now, I guess I'll ask what your hot take is on that.
00:57:20.000But first, I just wanted to know as a Brit, if I was to ever be so lucky to move to the States.
00:57:35.000Yeah, I would say as a Briton moving over to the USA, I would say, you know, it depends on what you want.
00:57:45.000I love where I live because it's my home, and I love my home.
00:57:49.000I love where I live, but I would say it depends.
00:57:51.000There are many different characteristics for all the different places.
00:57:54.000I mean, pretty much if you're interested in urban, it doesn't really matter where you go in the sense that I think really the only difference is maybe the size of the city.
00:58:03.000The weather, but for the most part, the cities are generally the same.
00:58:07.000And demographically, there are a little bit, there's some unique ones like Miami, it's basically like Puerto Rico.
00:58:12.000New York City depends on the neighborhood.
00:59:22.000And it's still 40 degrees, and I want to blow my brains out.
00:59:26.000I want to, you know, become an hero, basically.
00:59:29.000And, but by the same token, I want to have a gun, so it's going to be tough.
00:59:32.000But on the other question about Britain being accused by Russia of having orchestrated the chemical attack in Syria, I definitely wouldn't put it past them.
00:59:43.000It's just difficult to say, only because you have to wonder what is the British military involvement in Syria.
00:59:49.000They don't, as far as the public is concerned, they don't.
00:59:53.000Do not have a presence on the ground in Syria.
01:01:41.000So I had a question on surviving the Black Pillars.
01:01:46.000I feel like the serious situation, I feel like former Trump supporters are blackpilling, you know, like they're shilling, like they're paid to do it.
01:01:58.000Well, you know, I would be the expert in surviving Black Pillars because I'm the number one target besides Trump of the Black Pillars.
01:02:05.000And I think time is our best weapon against the black pillars in the sense that what happens is Trump says something they don't like, and within three days, it's completely proven wrong.
01:02:19.000Within a week to two weeks, it's a joke that anybody even panicked in the first place.
01:02:24.000And this is true with every incident, and every time it appears very hard.
01:02:31.000Every time Trump says something we don't like and the black pill is out in full force, it's a very difficult time.
01:02:37.000In September, When we heard that Trump was going to give up DACA in exchange for no wall funding, he was just going to give it away for free.
01:02:45.000It was a really bad week to be a Trump supporter.
01:03:13.000Unfortunately, we'll have to join the Black Pillars if it does escalate.
01:03:17.000I always hold out, you know, for the sake of.
01:03:20.000Of demonstrating that I'm not ideologically compromised, I always say if it ends up as bad as Black Pillars say, I will be criticizing Trump just as strongly, but we have to wait and see.
01:03:34.000If you're online, it's very easy for that to accelerate and compound and to get more and more panicked, but just wait and see what happens.
01:03:41.000We have no control ultimately over our foreign policy.
01:04:37.000I moved out a long time ago, and so this is actually all my own.
01:04:41.000I have all kinds of Jewish producers who make sure that I'm saying the right things.
01:04:46.000No, but on a serious note, I think in this day and age, people are stupid not to stay with their parents for a little bit longer after high school, only because.
01:04:57.000You look at the cost of real estate these days, and the idea that, and also you look at wages, you look at jobs, and the idea that anybody should be moving out before they're able to start putting down money on a house is ridiculous.
01:05:12.000Like, you know, you see people my age where if they're not my age and they're having the racist show in the basement, which I say that in a joking way, but they're in college.
01:05:23.000And if they're in college, they're paying what, 50 grand for tuition, 30, 40, 50 grand for tuition?
01:05:30.000And that money's just being thrown in the garbage.
01:05:32.000They're not even building equity with that.
01:05:34.000They're paying exorbitant amounts of money for food or booze or drugs or whatever.
01:05:38.000And so the standard procedure is four years, you are just spending all kinds of money.
01:05:43.000You come out of school, tons of money in debt.
01:05:46.000Some people don't pay it off for 20, 25 years.
01:05:49.000And a lot of times you look at college graduates, they're working in food service, they're working in retail, they're not working in these high paying professional jobs that they were led to believe that they would be.
01:06:02.000You know, it's not like if this is a question about me or for anyone else, but I think while people could move out maybe at 19 or 20 or 21, I think it's always better to save your money so that you can buy something and then build equity.
01:06:15.000I think that's a much smarter thing to do financially than to go to school, be throwing your money in the garbage, setting it on fire in the hopes that maybe you pay it off, maybe you get a high paying job.
01:06:26.000And for a lot of people, even going to like a trade school is good.
01:06:29.000But even in that case, save your money, stay at home, save your money.
01:07:23.000It says President Trump announces that a joint military operation with the UK and France is underway in Syria in response to the chemical attacks last week.
01:07:32.000Let's see, actually, because I'm so good at technology, let's see if we could get the statement and watch it live on the air.
01:07:40.000Trump, what would I even type into the YouTube search bar?
01:08:52.000We got the show running live the whole time in the background, but all of a sudden we want to put it live on the air, and suddenly we have a problem with the plugin.
01:10:19.000I'm driving right now, so excuse me, I might crash, kill myself, but it's all worth it to talk to my favorite live show host, Nicholas Quintes.
01:10:29.000My man, my man, where are you driving to?
01:11:16.000When we build the America First compound, once I start my breeding cult in the Western United States, I think we will have, I'll incorporate all kinds of elements.
01:13:24.000Yeah, and he had a popular live streamer, Ice Poseidon, come to his house.
01:13:29.000He promised him that there was going to be girls at his house, and Ice Poseidon got there, and then after 30 minutes left because there was one girl there and like five or six dudes.
01:14:48.000What's your thoughts on Assad's beautiful blue eyes?
01:14:53.000I like Assad, and it's unfortunate that things are the way that they are, but I think that if he was brown, the lids would be like against the war, but since he's like a pure Aryan, they're.
01:15:05.000With killing him, could be to be honest.
01:15:08.000That's the thing, he's literally descendant from Mark Antony and Cleopatra.
01:15:13.000His name means the lion, he's the lion of Damascus.
01:17:35.000War engagement is happening in north and south of Damascus.
01:17:39.000No reports of what's been hit, but many missiles were downed.
01:17:42.000So it looks like early reports are suggesting that it could be possible that Russia has intercepted cruise missiles from the United States.
01:17:51.000WikiLeaks says US, UK, France claim that have launched a combined military attack against Syria.
01:17:58.000All three countries recently visited by Saudi Arabia Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.
01:20:41.000To speak for traditionalism, I would say that it's perfectly all right to be with women and to drink and all that.
01:20:49.000The problem is when that's every night, that's every day, or when it's on the weekends, you get blackout drunk and it's sex, you know, multiple times a week or with loose women.
01:20:58.000I mean, that's when it becomes a problem.
01:21:00.000I don't think anybody has a problem with you having a drink with friends, you go to a party, you have a beer or two.
01:21:05.000But the problem is when you see in this country where people go off to these frat parties and they come out in a stretcher or they come out in a body bag, you know, that's.
01:21:15.000Or you see with many college kids where they're drinking on a weeknight, they're drinking on a Tuesday, a Wednesday, a Thursday, they're smoking pot when they should be studying or doing something like that.
01:21:24.000I mean, that's, I think, where you have to draw the line.
01:21:26.000I don't think anybody would say, some people would say, you shouldn't drink, you shouldn't do any of that.
01:21:32.000And I certainly would be one of those people where, for me, I've personally made that decision, but I don't think there is anything that is totally wrong with having fun.
01:21:42.000It's just you gotta have it in moderation.
01:23:40.000Yeah, basically, I've thought about that.
01:23:43.000I think you know, you had some good points, and I still sort of you know hold that position.
01:23:48.000But basically, what I think I was thinking was that you were, I had a problem with counter signaling, but what my actual problem was with was with you were counter signaling people who I liked, basically.
01:24:05.000And you know, I don't have a problem with counter signaling people.
01:24:10.000That was what I thought I had a problem with.
01:24:11.000So I've sort of changed my stance on that.
01:25:03.000I think Mike Enoch raised this point when you and him debated the optics question, which is like whether you should have those conversations in private or in public.
01:25:13.000And I think that's, you know, maybe I think a little bit more in private, but I get it if they're counter signaling you.
01:25:21.000I get it for like James or for Paul Nathan.
01:25:24.000I certainly get counter signaling those two.
01:25:27.000What was your contention with Richard Spencer originally?
01:25:32.000Well, I believe it was, if we could go back.
01:25:35.000I mean, that's really a complicated one because that one goes way back and there are lots of episodes.
01:25:44.000Take it easy on him, except for the fact that you'll recall I got a pretty unpleasant phone call from him one evening where he had some choice things to say.
01:26:22.000But then obviously there was that clip that came out where he was basically framed as being in favor of child porn or something to that effect.
01:26:31.000And I said, you know, look, and there wasn't so much accusing him of being in favor of that, but I said that you would talk about this so flippantly that you would characterize pedophilia as a character flaw.
01:26:55.000Most of the bridges, most of the relationships have been patched up.
01:26:58.000People have realized they've been silly.
01:27:00.000You know, for the most part, I'm on good terms with just about everybody, with few exceptions that I've fought with in the past.
01:27:06.000And the people I have fought with in the past, it's not because I haven't been unwilling to forgive and forget, it's because they haven't.
01:27:13.000You know, I've had people, red elephants, Enoch, Spencer, all of them, who.
01:27:19.000Back on good terms, back on, I think, a reasonable place.
01:27:24.000But people like James Alsup still busting my balls.
01:27:27.000You know, I still own 33% of the company, and he's still essentially, and this is, I'm not using this in totally strict language, but he has effectively stolen the company and the money.
01:27:42.000I don't mean that in the strict sense of the word, and I have to say that because of legal reasons, but there's a real issue there, and I would be willing to resolve it.
01:27:51.000He's hiding behind lawyers about it, and if that's the way it's going to be, then obviously it makes it tougher to reconcile.
01:27:57.000Tara McCarthy has me blocked on Twitter.
01:29:54.000I still trust Trump, and I think in the end, we'll have to judge what happens once the bombing and all the rest concludes, once we see a resolution to this.
01:30:04.000But that's going to do it for us here on the show tonight.
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