00:00:21.000We're going to try and get Faith Goldie on the program either this week or next week.
00:00:26.000We have someone to come on and talk about Richard Wagner either this week or next week, and many other good guests lined up.
00:00:32.000It's going to be A very exciting couple of weeks here on America First.
00:00:36.000So, thank you everybody for joining us this week again.
00:00:41.000Now, before I get started, I want to say quickly a brief shout out, a brief thank you to everybody that's donated to me.
00:00:47.000I didn't think anybody would be donating, but all kinds of people have been donating to my PayPal on my website, to my Patreon that you can find on my Twitter, by the way.
00:00:57.000And really, it's just been very encouraging to see because, you know, I don't do this for money, obviously.
00:01:02.000There's not a lot of ad revenue in doing a show that gets about 1,000 views per episode, there's not a lot of money in.
00:01:08.000Bancing women, conservathots on Twitter all day.
00:01:13.000You know, so I'm not in it for the money.
00:01:14.000I do it because I care, because, you know, we have to fix this country.
00:01:19.000And if people aren't out there doing it, it's not going to get done, obviously.
00:01:33.000And then another real quick thing before we get into the news of the day and some of the things I've been saying on Twitter and Things that are going on with Gab and with DACA and North Korea.
00:01:46.000But before we jump into the news, the current events, I saw something today on Twitter which was very disturbing, to say the least.
00:01:54.000I saw, and this was supported by, I think the Associated Press was the source for this, but somebody tweeted that high schoolers today, high schoolers in 2017, are more anxious than insane asylum patients from the 1950s.
00:02:30.000When we see a number like that, when you really put, I think, a face to it, you put a number to it, and you really get a quantitative grasp of this condition that I think we all understand, that I think we all have felt for a very long time, this anxiety of our time.
00:02:48.000And I think you can see this really in all aspects where we are longing for the past.
00:02:53.000And me and James Alsup covered this a little bit on Nationalist Review over the weekend.
00:02:58.000We do a podcast and we were talking about this over the weekend how we watch our old television shows.
00:03:03.000We watch Leave It to Beaver, The Wonder Years, Andy Griffith's show.
00:03:09.000And we look at the 1950s or the 60s or the 70s, even the 80s, and we say that America made a lot more sense back then.
00:03:19.000There was something about those times which.
00:03:22.000Although there were other things going on, which were, of course, unsavory and blot on our history things, it was a time that made sense.
00:03:29.000It was a time that, you know, you knew your direction in life.
00:03:33.000You knew your place in the country, in the society.
00:03:37.000And I think you could see this all over the place where a lot of young people and adolescent people are looking to old movies, old music, old things, and even Donald Trump's slogan when he ran for president, make America great again.
00:03:51.000I think what was implicit in that, I think what was really.
00:03:55.000Underlying that slogan and its appeal was that we're all sort of in limbo right now.
00:04:00.000We're in this age of anxiety where we don't know where we're going.
00:04:04.000We don't know what we're doing anything for anymore.
00:04:35.000I'm scrolling through the timeline and I say, you know, wow, there's something really broken about the status quo.
00:04:41.000And I think what we can learn from that, I think what's constructive about talking about that and realizing that is then we can start to convince people and using those feelings, which are pretty universal, I think we could start to convince people that radical change is necessary.
00:04:57.000Because if you go up to your regular person, if you're in like McDonald's or you're in Wendy's and people are enjoying whatever the hell they're eating, you know, the chili, I'm not going to pretend I don't enjoy it too, but people are sitting there and they're eating and they don't want to be bothered.
00:05:13.000If you go up to somebody and say, hey, look, we need radical change in the country because homosexuals and there's absurdities and transvestites are roaming the streets, you come off as kind of a crazy person.
00:05:25.000But I think if you carry out this message, which appeals to this disenfranchised, disillusioned population, which is to say, look, this isn't working for anybody.
00:05:45.000And I think that's what's constructive about talking about it is to say, you know, to your average person, your average regular Joe who's not interested in metaphysics or politics or Evola or anything like that, to say, you know, look, don't you think something's wrong?
00:05:59.000Don't you feel like 20 or 30 years ago, it was just better in an indescribable way?
00:06:18.000And if there's time, we'll talk about North Korea.
00:06:21.000But before we get into the current events, I have to get into some of my comments today or over the weekend on Twitter, where last night in particular, as many in the alt right know, Hunter Wallace was saying some pretty controversial stuff.
00:06:35.000Hunter Wallace of the Occidental Observer.
00:06:39.000Now, I don't think I've ever met Hunter Wallace personally.
00:06:43.000We've been following each other on Twitter for a while.
00:06:46.000But he was saying basically that the American aesthetic, and this is an argument I think that's been going on in the alt right for some time.
00:06:53.000Hunter Wallace said that the American aesthetic might be off putting to normies and people in the alt right.
00:07:00.000Because he said, in his own words, that the American flag represents to many people in this movement a hostile regime.
00:07:07.000The American flag represents a hostile regime.
00:07:10.000That wants to get rid of our people and combat our interests and all of that.
00:07:16.000I think we can all understand where that's motivated, where the motivation is there.
00:07:21.000Because certainly people that look at the American government and who controls the American government and the American Congress and where two thirds of our congressmen go every year for a conference to hear from certain lobbyists from certain countries.
00:07:34.000So we can understand where he's coming from that the U.S. government probably isn't a friend of ours.
00:07:39.000I think it's a totally separate issue when you're talking about the flag, but you understand where he's coming from.
00:07:45.000And I said yesterday, I believe, last night, that the alt-right is not going to be a mass political movement.
00:07:55.000And a lot of people said I was punching right.
00:07:57.000A lot of people said I was criticizing the alt right or I was hitting people that got me where I was.
00:08:02.000And I want to clarify before we go further into the subject, I'm not punching the alt right.
00:08:20.000You know, if you have a kid and he's playing T-ball, And he's not swinging the bat correctly, you know, he's chopping at it or he's swinging five seconds too soon.
00:08:30.000If you go up and you say, hey, buddy, you know, you really, you got to choke up and you got to make sure your knuckles align, nobody would say you're punching your kid.
00:09:05.000And I'm not saying that that's because there's bad people in the alt right.
00:09:09.000I'm not saying that's because the alt right hasn't been working hard because these people have made incredible sacrifices for what they believe in.
00:09:16.000I mean, really, Richard Spencer is a very wealthy person.
00:09:19.000And, you know, I think a lot of what he does is for his own publicity.
00:09:23.000But the foot soldiers, the people that are on the ground organizing these things, Doing work behind the scenes.
00:09:29.000I mean, these are people that are making really tremendous sacrifices.
00:09:32.000Even if you don't agree with them, I mean, they're sacrificing friends, loved ones, employment opportunities, all kinds of social capital in America to do tireless, thankless work for what they think is right for the country.
00:09:46.000So, you know, that's not a criticism of the people in the movement.
00:09:51.000But it is to say that when you look at the alt right, when you look at Charlottesville, when you look at the sacrifices that are being made, it's hard for me to see after Charlottesville.
00:10:02.000Where we're all basically on the same page as to what the problem is.
00:10:06.000We're all basically on the same page in that we read the same books, we go on the same websites, we share the same memes, we share the same jokes.
00:10:13.000It's basically the same network, same organizations.
00:10:17.000What are people waking up and doing today or tomorrow to further the agenda?
00:10:22.000With Republicans and Democrats, they have student organizations on campuses and they're growing rapidly and they're doing things.
00:10:28.000And with political organizations, they're winning elections and they're fundraising and they're setting things up like that.
00:10:35.000But with the alt right, you hear a lot of talk about ideas and philosophy, and that's necessary.
00:10:41.000And the alt right is necessary for that.
00:10:45.000But I think that if you want to get that off the ground, if you want to turn that into pragmatic outcomes, you have to create a parallel organization to fix these problems, to address these in a palatable way to a mass audience, for mass appeal.
00:11:00.000And many people turn their noses up at that.
00:11:02.000They say, we're appealing to normies, we're cucking.
00:11:14.000But beyond that raising awareness, there's not really a game plan for how we're going to shift the Silverton window, how we're going to do it besides the offensive means and the rallies.
00:11:25.000And so that's why I propose that we take it in a new direction.
00:12:59.000That wouldn't be a problem if you didn't have the mass immigration, mass immigration of foreign born immigrants.
00:13:05.000And the problem with this is that you bring over, and we know this, you bring over millions of people, and depending on what country they're from, they can have a birth rate that's 2.5 or 7 or 8, depending on the country.
00:13:18.000And so naturally, this problem is one of two variables.
00:13:39.000There's much talk on the alt right about the ethnostate, about physical removal, and there's memes, and they are memes, they are fantasies.
00:13:47.000Most of the talk about this issue from the alt right is a little bit too much for regular, normal people.
00:13:56.000And, you know, if you don't believe that, go on Reddit or go on Twitter and, and, Look at some of the alt light accounts, and these are people that may agree with the problem but don't agree with the rhetoric.
00:14:08.000If you look at the solution to the problem, there are only two ways to combat this, which is the demographic deficit.
00:14:14.000Solution number one is you can increase the native birth rate through these following means, or you can decrease the foreign birth rate or decrease the amount of foreign born immigrants through these following measures.
00:14:27.000That's the only way that you're going to solve it is changing those variables, is either increasing this number or decreasing this number.
00:14:36.000And my proposal for a parallel political movement or political organization or something that's more palatable is to focus on things that combat these problems, which, by the way, does not involve talk about the Holocaust or Israel or the JQ or race realism or bell curves or anything like that.
00:14:58.000And I'm not saying that, I'm not saying those things pejoratively or as an epithet.
00:15:04.000I'm not saying, I'm not making a judgment call on the content of those.
00:15:09.000I'm not making a judgment call on the content that the alt-right talks about with those issues.
00:15:14.000I think the alt-right will continue to talk about those issues, and there's a place for that.
00:15:18.000But if we want to see pragmatic change, none of the policies that would combat this problem actually involve talk about any of that.
00:15:27.000How do we increase the native birth rate?
00:17:24.000But if we want to build the groundwork for a lasting movement, this, this right here is the best thing that we can do.
00:17:31.000Imagine, if you will, in the next 20 years, all of this political and social capital that the alt right had was dedicated to building an economy, building really a social form of capitalism where families could get started right out of college, get started in their early to mid 20s, having big families in homes with stable jobs, and they could afford all of their expenditures.
00:17:55.000And in addition to that, you had all sorts of voluntary organizations and associations in the country that encouraged things like physical fitness, classical virtues, classical education, religion, community, some degree of racial consciousness or community consciousness, civic consciousness.
00:18:15.000If you had these two components where you had really an enormous social movement, a voluntary social movement by the alt-right to get these kinds of ubermensch that we need to rebuild civilization.
00:18:28.000And we talk all day long about World War II vets and World War I vets, how tough and strong and heroic they were.
00:18:35.000Imagine if you had a social movement that was cultivating the character of those people and a political movement that was making it affordable for all of those people to be having big families.
00:18:45.000White birth rate goes from 1.1 or 1.3 to 2 to 2.5.
00:19:04.000For all these people that think that we can achieve these Herculean things and we can make leaps and bounds because of how great we are, that's the way to do it.
00:19:14.000You know, if you really believe in identity politics, there's your solution right there.
00:19:18.000And then while we're doing that, that's how we combat the decreasing native birth rate problem.
00:19:24.000How do we combat the foreign birth rate problem?
00:19:27.000Well, it's exactly what Donald Trump is doing.
00:19:29.000You do the RAISE Act, you cut legal immigration by 50% or more over the next 10 years.
00:19:36.000If we get Pressure on the West Wing to do that, pressure on Congress to do that, you're halfway there.
00:19:42.000You get him to deport illegal immigrants, DACA, all of that.
00:19:45.000Beyond just the removal of people or stopping the addition of people, some of the simplest things that we can do is ending welfare, ending birthright citizenship.
00:19:55.000People don't realize that a lot of the immigrants are coming here and staying here because they get welfare.
00:20:01.000And I think people are starting to understand, if you're watching this, that it's a very simple problem to solve.
00:20:06.000People dream up these grand designs of physical removal and all these other wacky things.
00:20:12.000How to do it, the blueprint for how to do it is all right here.
00:20:19.000If we create a system that instead of incentivizing the increase of this and the decrease of this, but flip that and we got the inverse, the problem is solved.
00:20:29.000You don't need to be waving certain banners.
00:20:31.000You don't need people to be rethinking certain historical events.
00:20:35.000It's a simple matter of what are you willing to do to get where you want to go?
00:20:41.000Because if we achieve these very boring things, this is a boring agenda.
00:20:49.000It's not very self indulgent, admittedly.
00:20:51.000You know, I would love to be having certain debates right now about certain things.
00:20:56.000I'd be having the time of my life being as edgy and transgressive as I can be.
00:21:00.000And I think people understand at a certain point that I'm not saying everything that I believe for certain reasons.
00:21:08.000But if we build this infrastructure, if we build these social movements, if we build the economic system, if we make the necessary reforms, We pay attention to the boring stuff.
00:21:19.000We're talking about ending welfare, ending all sorts of things that are propping up these communities, these different groups, the foreign born population.
00:21:27.000If we do all of that, problem solved, problem is over.
00:21:31.000And then all of the tertiary, ancillary stuff about historical events and everything else, that will all come later.
00:21:39.000Once you cultivate and you make a civilization that is worthy of those conversations, that is worthy of those questions, Then and only then can we answer them.
00:21:50.000Then and only then can we talk about them.
00:22:07.000But I've looked at these problems for a very long time.
00:22:09.000I've looked at what has been done so far by this movement.
00:22:13.000And without trying to step on anybody's toes and without trying to, Nullify the sacrifices or to minimize the sacrifices and achievements of this movement and the people in it so far.
00:22:25.000I would just like to make that modest proposal that all of this is within our grasp and through very tenable, very tenable things that we can grasp today and tomorrow.
00:22:37.000And that was my biggest problem, I think, with this movement I believed in all of these things, but at the same time, I said, you know, I don't really understand what the plan is.
00:22:46.000I don't know how we're going to get there.
00:22:47.000You see Richard Spencer on television and, you know, I disavow, he's admonished and all that.
00:22:52.000But you see people in this movement and they go on television and they talk about these things, and it's great for raising awareness.
00:23:00.000But I think beyond raising awareness, there's not a whole lot that's being done.
00:23:04.000And we're being routed everywhere right now on the internet, on social media, in business.
00:23:09.000I saw a guy in Minnesota who his bar is closing down because the local newspaper found out he donated like $100 to David Duke's Senate campaign, and everyone in his bar quit.
00:23:22.000And I don't see Just by this raising awareness in this little echo chamber.
00:23:27.000And I think we get caught up in it because we're online and we only interact with people that agree with us, that we think this is a major movement that's about to overthrow the country.
00:23:38.000Unless you're planning on overthrowing the government in the next 10 to 15 years, we have to win elections.
00:23:48.000And, you know, unless you're talking about overthrowing the government or secession or anything like that, which are incredibly outlandish.
00:23:56.000And if, you know, you have an idea for how we're going to do that, I'd love to see it.
00:23:59.000But unless you have an idea of how we're going to overthrow the federal government and secede, which I think is beyond the grasp of anybody in the country today, we have to win elections.
00:24:19.000I know a lot of people were getting on my case saying I was, you know, trying to co op the movement or trying to slap my brand on it or recreate the alt light or, you know, nothing of the sort.
00:24:31.000And I think people that have been paying attention to some of the winks and things and my show and what I say implicitly that I am only trying to help this movement get where it needs to go.
00:25:14.000If I'm like, if this is a naked power grab or something like that, let me know.
00:25:19.000Or if you think that's smart and we can do that, let me know.
00:25:23.000I think that's something that if we really put our minds to it and we focused and we were disciplined, this problem is solved in 25, 50 years.
00:25:47.000It's possible, so long as maybe we stop a few less podcasts about certain things and a few more community action, apolitical organizations, things like that.
00:25:59.000I think that pragmatic end of it has to be achieved.
00:26:35.000They all want to be the next revolutionary.
00:26:39.000And I understand the need for it because it's a political problem.
00:26:43.000But I think, you know, just as with a war effort, not everyone is a soldier.
00:26:46.000You need engineers, you need nurses, you need paramedics, you need.
00:26:51.000You know, people that are coordinating logistical things.
00:26:54.000I think just as in any good war effort, you have multiple components, same with the alt right.
00:26:59.000So that starts with people, instead of directing their forces towards the political, going to the gym, getting physically fit, advancing the cause of classical education, doing what you can to form these sort of apolitical, voluntary organizations.
00:27:22.000I have no experience with like fraternal.
00:27:25.000Organizations with adults, but I think that is the trajectory that we need to be on.
00:27:31.000I think, you know, if we set that as the general blueprint, as the general path to how we're going to do it, I think people on the ground can figure out the rest.
00:27:41.000Go to your church and volunteer and get to know the people in your community.
00:27:45.000And then, I don't know, maybe start a book club with the people in your community or, you know, start some physical fitness class for people in your community.
00:27:53.000Hang up flyers in the local restaurant or in the local bulletin.
00:27:59.000And it's funny because a lot of people in the alt right talk about this.
00:28:02.000A lot of people that are paleoconservatives and whatever, they talk about this loss of community, and then they're incels or they're neats, you know, and they're at home and they're on the computer and whatever.
00:28:13.000We sort of have to become what we are.
00:28:32.000I think we all are a little bit guilty of that, where we all have this vision and we all want to be the intellectuals, but nobody wants to be the soldiers.
00:28:39.000We have to be soldiers in peacetime, I suppose that's a way to put it.
00:29:07.000They can take away your reach on Twitter or Facebook or YouTube, but they can't stop you from going to church and saying, Hey, Bob, how are your kids?
00:29:37.000Volunteering for a political organization or volunteering to run for public office to combat these things, to combat welfare and to combat measures that impoverish middle America and the middle class.
00:29:49.000I mean, all of those things we can do if we have the will.
00:29:53.000We complain about how white people are getting beat up and everything, and we complain about how they hate us and they think we're weak and they're turning us into soylent men.
00:30:04.000We have to stop all this victim stuff.
00:30:07.000Take our destiny back, take control of our fate.
00:30:10.000And it's something as simple as what I just said.
00:30:12.000You don't have to go out tomorrow and throw down $20,000 and start a massive infrastructure.
00:30:18.000It's something as simple as you go to Mass on Sunday.
00:30:20.000You go to Mass on Sunday and you say, hey, to the guy sitting next to you or to the lady sitting next to you, and you start building a social infrastructure.
00:30:29.000It's all in our grasp, it's all in our reach.
00:30:34.000The black pill says, Donald Trump isn't solving immigration and nobody will solve immigration.
00:30:40.000The white pill is saying it doesn't matter if Donald Trump serves one term or two terms or he gets impeached or anything else, because tomorrow I'm going to go to church and I'm going to rub shoulders and shake hands with all the people in my community, and we will refuse to let our country go to hell.
00:31:34.000Again, you know, I just said, I just said, I respect the people in the alt right and their sacrifices and what they've done and everything else.
00:31:43.000But I think we all have to understand that that has its function, and we need something whose function, which the sole function of it, is to build, is to build those institutions and that infrastructure.
00:31:55.000The job of the alt right, as far as I'm concerned, is raising awareness, being a resource.
00:32:02.000We need a parallel organization that asks the question, that gets people to the point where they are strong and they have chiseled faces and they're not 500 pounds and they don't watch television.
00:32:13.000And when we get people to a point where they are human beings again, the alt right will be there for them to say, this is what's going on.
00:32:21.000But, of course, disavowed, admonished, and all of that.
00:32:27.000A lot of people call that optics cucking because if you want to create a viable political movement, you don't want to be affiliated with people that are blacklisted.
00:32:52.000So look, if you think I'm wrong, if you have a substantive, if you have like a really cutting question where you're like, this Nick guy, he's full of it.
00:33:22.000And none of those involve what's going on in the alt right.
00:33:25.000Now, the alt right awakened me to the problem and all of that.
00:33:28.000But if we're going to solve this logical problem, it's just about those variables and what we can do through systems and incentives to get those to increase and decrease, respectively.
00:33:57.000You know, we could spend all day talking about tactics.
00:34:00.000And Lord knows the people in the alt right love to talk, which I love that about them, that they'll talk like with a fixation and obsession and a focus on topics at length and in great detail.
00:34:12.000It's really, you know, you don't see that with.
00:34:15.000The alt light or with the establishment right, the GOPE.
00:34:18.000You know, Cassie Dillon, her Twitter is, look at my dog, Game of Thrones.
00:34:22.000I'm a ditzy girl and I'm watching Game of Thrones.
00:34:35.000It shows me that people are thinking and, you know, we're breaking it down and that's what makes us stronger.
00:34:40.000I think that sort of makes the case for what we're doing that we will come back stronger and bigger and better than all these others because we're embracing.
00:34:50.000You don't have the Will Nardis and the Cassie Dillons and the Alex Sears who like to go on their podcasts with less than like 50 viewers, by the way, and say, and they just do a circle jerk basically of, yeah, the leftists are at it again.
00:36:04.000So Andrew Englund, he reposts this meme from Twitter making fun of Heather Hare, which is the woman that, you know, died so tragically in Charlottesville, going to punch and kill Nazis.
00:36:13.000You know, people pretend like that's not even a factor in it.
00:36:16.000Like she came there to be a revolutionary.
00:36:19.000She came there to kill political dissidents, basically, or stood in march with people that were there to do that.
00:36:25.000And then there was violence, and everyone wants to pretend now that that was like a peaceful demonstration and they came there to fight racism.
00:36:33.000With lead pipes to kill people, to kill political dissidents, and then one of theirs gets killed in what looks like somebody who hit the gas because he was being attacked by people with weapons, and then all of a sudden it's, do you condemn the death of Heather Hare?
00:36:49.000Like, well, I mean, yeah, of course we condemn all tragedies, all deaths, but by the same token, I mean, if you're going to put yourself in that position where you're going to be so brave and stand against bigotry and racism and you're going to go and kill political dissidents, and then something happens, it's like, well, you know, tragic, but.
00:37:12.000But so on Gab, Andrew Anglin posts this meme of Heather Hare, and Andrew Torba, who's the founder of Gab, and he's the, I guess, he's some kind of moderator there, he replies to that meme and says that unless Andrew Anglin takes it down in 24 hours, it's going to get deleted, and presumably Andrew Anglin gets kicked off of Gab.
00:37:38.000They said, you know, Gab is the free speech platform, and now.
00:37:41.000Seemingly, they're censoring Andrew England.
00:37:44.000And everyone's tweeting the hashtag, get off Gab, Gab exit, blah, blah, blah.
00:37:48.000And it turns out, and this is just the final piece of the puzzle, it turns out to everyone's surprise, which I think a lot of people weren't that surprised, but it turns out that the domain registrar, the people that, if you go on like gab.com, the people that register that domain, gab.com, as being owned by Andrew Torba, they sent a message to Gab and said, unless this post is taken down in 48 hours,
00:38:15.000Your domain gets confiscated so that Gab gets destroyed and they have to move it to a completely other domain registrar.
00:38:22.000And then they would have gotten destroyed there and it would have been cat and mouse until there's no more Gab.
00:38:27.000And so now, normally, what happens with this company, the domain registrar, usually they give people a 15 day notice.
00:38:33.000So usually they say, you have 15 days to get rid of bad content or else we're confiscating your domain.
00:39:01.000He could have DM'd Andrew Anglin and said that.
00:39:04.000He could have explained it to the community before he did it.
00:39:07.000I mean, he could have handled it better, sure.
00:39:09.000But I think we all understand the problem that this is just basically impossible to have a free speech platform or to have true free speech on the internet anymore.
00:39:20.000And I think to a certain extent, while we can criticize Andrew Torba's handling of it, and certainly it's not great timing after he just got all kinds of money from all kinds of investors buying stock in Gab and they're throwing their money at Gab and Gab is expanding, you know, certainly it's a bad time for them all of a sudden to decide, actually, we censor people.
00:39:42.000But I think we have to look at the root cause of the problem, which is you just cannot say certain things on the internet anymore.
00:39:48.000It's tough to grapple with, it's infuriating.
00:39:52.000It feels like we've been neutered, like we've been castrated, because there's nothing we can do about it right now.
00:39:57.000But at the end of the day, that's the problem.
00:40:00.000You know, you look at Daily Stormer, which got chased out of every domain, got chased off of the dark web or the deep web.
00:40:08.000And now this problem with Gab, you saw last week with James Alsop on Liberty Conservative.
00:40:13.000You just cannot say certain things on the Internet anymore.
00:40:16.000And I don't think that's Andrew Torba's fault.
00:40:23.000Implement blockchain or Ethereum or anything like that.
00:40:28.000And I think a lot of people are looking for a punching bag, but I would say that we should just think about this very carefully.
00:40:34.000Before we go after Gab and we destroy it and we take a dump all over it, I think it's important that we say, and people are angry about it, but it's important to take a step back and say, who's on our team and who isn't?
00:40:48.000Is Andrew Torba the guy to get upset at?
00:41:00.000And then this happens, and it was pretty poorly handled.
00:41:03.000But if you look at it in the grand scheme of things, I think it would be a bit of a mistake to say we're going to throw away this whole platform where you can get away with so much more on Gab than you can on Twitter.
00:41:13.000And, you know, it's just this one instance.
00:41:15.000I think we have to look at it a little bit more strategically where we have to say, you know, Gab is there.
00:41:21.000It's not perfect, but it cannot be perfect under the present conditions.
00:41:26.000Another thing we have to focus on, you know, we talk about the demographic things, but another component is, If we can figure out a way to get blockchain going, to get this sort of Internet 3.0 going, I think that would change the whole game.
00:41:40.000But until that point, it's really unreasonable, I think, to put all the sole oneness of this situation on the people at Gab or the people at Liberty Conservative and say you're cucking to corporate interests.
00:41:53.000I mean, really, do you want the whole alt right to just be completely exterminated from the Internet?
00:41:59.000I don't know if that's the best solution.
00:42:03.000All I am suggesting is a little bit of trepidation before we make a huge judgment, make a condemnation of somebody who I think a lot of people think is doing a great service.
00:42:58.000I have never lived in a country where you have freedom of speech, where you cannot say what's on your mind unless you face extremely Unreasonable consequences.
00:43:08.000And they say all the time well, you're not protected from the consequences of your speech.
00:43:13.000You're not protected from the consequences of hate speech.
00:43:16.000Does anybody think it's a reasonable consequence that a guy in Minnesota loses his entire business, loses all of his employees, because a paper went and dug into his financials and published it for everyone to see that he made a small contribution to a political campaign that most people didn't even understand, don't even understand the guy?
00:43:35.000I mean, does anybody think that's reasonable?
00:43:37.000Does anybody think that's a culture of free speech?
00:43:40.000I just, it really disturbs me that people can continue to make the case that free speech is just something.
00:43:47.000That occurs in the absence of government censorship.
00:43:58.000That's so good because it's so true, right?
00:44:01.000All these people, the Ben Shapiro's of the world, they say unless the government is violating your First Amendment rights, it's free speech.
00:44:11.000What the founders knew and what the founders wrote in the Bill of Rights and the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, what they wrote in the Declaration specifically was that we are endowed.
00:44:22.000By our Creator with unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
00:44:27.000And of course, all of those rights, life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, are enshrined and protected and acknowledged by the Bill of Rights.
00:44:34.000But if you break it down, if you break it down for what it really means, what it means is not that these rights come from government or these rights purely exist in the absence of government, but that they're given by God, that you have a God given right to free speech.
00:44:49.000And, you know, people on the alt right are very cynical about the Constitution or of natural rights doctrine.
00:44:57.000What it means is that it is right and it is just that we have free speech.
00:45:02.000That God, whether or not we have a despotic God who's going to go down and change it on the ground, he gave us this right that it is just and it is ethical and moral that we have these freedoms and these liberties.
00:45:17.000And so it is up to the people and to the government to create a society or a culture that's conducive to exercising those.
00:45:24.000And there's a utilitarian justification.
00:45:27.000There's That pretty ontological justification.
00:46:36.000If people in the highest levels, and Lord knows what has happened when people at the highest levels say what they actually think or feel and the consequences that ensue.
00:46:46.000And it's really just a troubling thing.
00:46:48.000And I don't think that we are going to have a free society.
00:46:52.000I think we are incapable of having the open society.
00:46:56.000And that's what all the liberal philosophers talk about.
00:46:58.000You know, you talk about classical liberals, all the liberal philosophers talk about the open society.
00:47:05.000That is not possible in a heterogeneous society.
00:47:11.000And I talked about this on Twitter, which is to say that if you are in a state of perpetual conflict, if you are in a state of perpetual civil war, essentially, of different factions and tribes vying for control of the country, you cannot have speech.
00:47:29.000You know, because if white people say certain things, if white people have a certain racial consciousness or a racial identity, this poses a latent threat.
00:47:40.000Because if white people organize and they see themselves as a group, guess what?
00:47:45.000That is the biggest, most powerful group in the country.
00:47:50.000And, you know, when I say the most powerful group in the country, I don't mean really the most powerful group in the country, but I mean in terms of sheer size and numbers.
00:47:59.000That if white people were allowed by the free speech codes to organize and say, we are all in this together, we are the white community, that would be the community to destroy all communities.
00:48:13.000It would be in a position to destroy every other community if it were inclined.
00:48:18.000And that is why you don't have free speech.
00:48:21.000Because if you were to say those things, if you were to say things to rally this community, to create this consciousness, it would create, in the eyes of certain minority groups, an unacceptable, latent threat to their existence.
00:48:36.000You know, it's like if you're in a bus, okay, I'm coming up with all these great analogies on the fly.
00:48:43.000If you're on a bus and you're a white guy, okay, and you're one white guy and everyone else on the bus is black, and maybe you're on a road trip for a really long time, you're on like a 30 hour road trip and you're one white guy and everyone else is like 100 black guys on the bus.
00:49:00.000Now, would you prefer that they saw themselves as individuals where they could unite in different combinations with you, where you could team up with the strongest faction because it's based on ideology and things like this?
00:49:14.000Or would you prefer that it's 99 against one?
00:49:17.000And maybe they're nice to you, but maybe they're not.
00:49:20.000If they see you as the enemy, if they see you as a problem or a parasite or evil, you're done.
00:49:27.000And that essentially is the problem of heterogeneity in the country.
00:49:32.000Because if you have this group, the strongest group, having this racial consciousness, whether they're benevolent or they want to kill you, they could always kill you.
00:49:52.000And white people can mix and match with different groups.
00:49:55.000And whites can vie for the black vote, and they can vie for the LGBT vote, and they can vie for the Hispanic vote.
00:50:02.000But they will have to, in their ideological camps, hook up and create posses with racial groups.
00:50:10.000You have destroyed the threat of white America, the strength of white America, the sovereignty of white America.
00:50:17.000And that's why you don't have free speech.
00:50:20.000If you had a country that was homogeneous and you didn't have.
00:50:24.000A tribal, ethnic, racial, religious faction vying for control of the country, you would have speech where people would be talking about ideas and how we could have this country do better because you're talking about individuals within one group.
00:50:38.000But when you have multiple groups, the unit becomes groups instead of individuals.
00:50:42.000And whether you like it or not, they're playing by group politics.
00:50:46.000And that's why they're shutting you down.
00:50:48.000That's why no other group can be accused of being racist.
00:50:53.000And that's why they say that racism is institutional power.
00:50:57.000Plus, discrimination and hate and everything else.
00:51:00.000And what they're saying very explicitly is we cannot be racist because we are weak and we are small.
00:51:07.000And in no way, shape, or form could we threaten you, but you could threaten us.
00:51:12.000And that's why they have to, that's why white people have to shut up about it.
00:51:16.000And so until that day, until that day where everybody's on the same page and you get rid of that group association, that group identification, you'll never have this ideological country, which we once were.
00:51:30.000You won't have a country that's determined by.
00:51:33.000Monetary interests or fiscal interests, or different incentives and different interest groups that could propel the country forward based on policy and based on things instead of people, unless you have one group or you destroy group identification, which I think is impossible and undesirable.
00:51:55.000And it's no coincidence that it's only our countries, right?
00:51:58.000It's only these countries that are up for debate like this.
00:52:02.000I don't think anyone in any country in the world.
00:52:05.000Is accused of being a racist outside of this one, right?
00:52:08.000The Chinese, there was like a full article I was reading on Twitter the other day in a Chinese paper saying how Jewish people control the United States of America.
00:52:18.000Nobody said, look at how anti Semitic the Chinese are.
00:52:22.000You know, I have, I know of several people that have gone to China who are very black, like very dark skinned black, and they get completely ostracized, not in a vindictive way, but.
00:52:35.000When they're walking through the streets, everyone's looking at them, pointing at them, people take pictures with them.
00:53:05.000Power and heterogeneity than it has to do with anything else.
00:53:08.000I think it's all pretty much laid bare when you understand this, when you understand that mindset.
00:53:14.000If you put yourself in the mindset of a minority person, a minority group, you are going to, without even consciously doing it, create a worldview and an ideology that serves your interests.
00:53:27.000I mean, you can look at any group of people and they don't, the self hating mindset, to a certain extent, without heavy propaganda, which we see with white people, It's impossible, right?
00:53:41.000Where people create a worldview that's based on their interests.
00:53:46.000That's why most Hispanic conservatives are pro immigration.
00:53:50.000That's why you'll find very few people that aren't ethnically white in the alt right.
00:53:56.000Even though you're looking at bell curves, even though you're looking at statistics, you look at race realism, for example, even though these are statistics that are basically.
00:54:09.000Not debatable that this is the data, this is what the data shows that this is this bell curve, this is that bell curve.
00:54:15.000You ever notice that only people who are benefited by that believe in that?
00:54:20.000And I'm not saying that that delegitimizes those studies, but it is to say that people construct their worldview based on their interest.
00:54:27.000And when you look at these minority groups that want white people to not have racial consciousness, it's motivated by a group strategy, it's motivated by self interest, whether consciously or unconsciously.
00:54:39.000And until, like I said, until you have a country that is homogeneous or identifies as homogeneous, you will never have free speech.
00:54:50.000And that's what's required for an open society, is that everybody's on the same page.
00:54:55.000And that's why, when we go up against these basic conservatives who say, You've embraced identity politics, we embrace it reluctantly.
00:55:03.000We would love it if our countries weren't being invaded.
00:55:06.000We would love it if our countries weren't being controlled at the highest levels.
00:55:11.000That would be great if we didn't have to play identity politics, if we could be left in peace and talk about economics and literature and things like that.
00:55:24.000But because we have people pouring in that hate us, that want to kill us, that want to change our country, we reluctantly have to play that game.
00:57:03.000The white, if they convince white people that we are all individuals who don't have culture, who don't have roots, you know, you saw that video where the guy says, We're white, we don't have an effing culture.
00:57:14.000If they convince us that we are these rootless, lame, boring people and our people are evil and, you know, it doesn't matter if you're German or Italian, you're effing white, you know, that's what they tell us.
00:57:29.000Well, then you're weak compared to the black community or the Latino community.
00:58:31.000You know, if you don't believe in communities, disband all of your communities.
00:58:35.000If we're all just Americans, if we're all just individuals, if you believe that, Then, why do you still have all these racial based organizations that are advocating for racial interests?
00:59:53.000All the jobs that immigrants occupy presently could be filled by college students, kids in high school.
01:00:01.000I mean, we look at youth unemployment and it's at record numbers.
01:00:05.000We look at all the kids that are getting into college.
01:00:07.000If our young people were making money, were making capital, getting work experience in low skilled work, if that was available to them, that would be a net boon again to the people in our country.
01:00:17.000So, you know, they're doing the jobs whites won't do.
01:00:29.000You know, they pretend like whites turn their noses up at those jobs.
01:00:33.000No, those jobs just become uneconomical when you have Obamacare and Medicare and Social Security and minimum wage and how many different state and local taxes.
01:00:42.000It just becomes, it's not economical to employ those kinds of people when you have to pay so much for the labor.
01:01:09.000We need people to be busboys and whatever else, and you can make a decent living.
01:01:14.000And then you get a little bit of capital, and then, you know, you could work your way up.
01:01:19.000You could get a nice union job, you could get a factory job.
01:01:22.000Then there's the trade component, too, where if We weren't competing with Vietnamese slave labor or Indonesian slave labor with child sweatshops.
01:01:32.000You could have a decent living, a decent blue collar living in manufacturing, building cars, or on a factory line.
01:01:41.000But because, you know, again, we have this stupid trade program with the TPP and with NAFTA and some of these other free trade agreements, we have blue collar workers in Wisconsin who are supposed to be able to afford a house.
01:01:56.000And kids and everything, and a car and transportation and fuel and energy and all of that.
01:02:02.000He's going to have to pay for all of that to have the same job that some Vietnamese kid could be doing for pennies in the jungle.
01:02:10.000And by the way, he could live off those pennies.
01:03:14.000You know, and all these women, especially conservathots, conservathots on notice, they have this penchant to talk about how they want men like they used to make them.
01:03:24.000All the conservathots want big, beefy, strong men who can pick them up and they're physically fit and they have abs and they can provide for them and they open the door for them.
01:03:33.000But at the same time, they want to work.
01:07:00.000And, you know, if you get into a debate about Sargon of Akkad, I'm not going to say, like, I know God is real and you're an idiot because you don't.
01:07:08.000I'm going to say, you know, haven't you thought about this?
01:07:13.000How can you be so certain that that is the right case if you can't explain X, Y, and Z?
01:07:17.000You know, that's really what I try to do.
01:07:19.000And even with Will Nardi, I would point these things out where he would say, I believe in individuals and I don't believe there's differences between groups.
01:07:27.000And I would say, okay, but then how do you explain this?
01:08:48.000But what we do have is a small group of people, actually a relatively large group of people, that are highly motivated to do what needs to be done.
01:08:56.000And so what you need to do is change the incentives, change the systems.
01:09:00.000But, you know, people talk about this propaganda, propaganda.
01:09:30.000What you want to do, and I'm not saying this in a combative way, like particular to you, the person who's asking the question, but what people want to do, and it's very lazy and self indulgent, is they want to say, I'm just going to say everything I believe.
01:09:45.000I'm going to tweet everything I believe.
01:09:46.000I'm going to make videos about what I believe.
01:09:49.000You have to think about strategy, you have to think about tactics.
01:09:54.000It's the easiest thing in the world to tweet what you believe without strategy, without rhetoric, without doing it artfully.
01:10:02.000It's the easiest thing in the world to say certain things on Twitter or to make certain propaganda videos about certain people.
01:11:15.000The great compromise which formed our Congress, which was that you have a House for the states in the Senate and a House for the people in the House of Representatives, that's dead since the 17th Amendment.
01:11:38.000You know, democracy was never the goal, and democracy is dumb.
01:11:43.000I mean, we've been over this on the show before that democracy means if 50% plus one of the population or its representatives endorse something, it's okay, and that's policy.
01:11:55.000There's nothing inherently virtuous or right or utilitarian about that.
01:11:59.000In fact, the bigger the country, the less utilitarian.
01:12:02.000So I think we ought to move more towards an aristocratic, monarchical form of government.
01:12:10.000Something that is a lot more like the founders had in mind, which is a little bit more centralized, but then you also have the reintroduction of federalism.
01:12:17.000You have some component of an aristocracy that cares about the interests of the country.
01:12:22.000We just have to make sure that doesn't get infiltrated by internationalist cosmopolitans.
01:12:29.000Bill Matzing, I'm glad you cleared up the implicit explicit issue tonight and in your nationalist review talk on nations' different traditions.
01:13:01.000I don't care what documentaries you can show me.
01:13:04.000I don't care what figures you could show me.
01:13:06.000I don't care, you know, what the evidence is if we're talking about pragmatism.
01:13:12.000I care because I care about the truth.
01:13:15.000But if you're trying to create a political movement, and that's what's necessary to win elections, to pass policy, to get results, attaching your movement to the most toxic, hated symbol in the country, and then trying to add that, reforming and revitalizing that image as a part of your goals, it just doesn't make any sense.
01:13:37.000We're going to save our people and we're going to save our country.
01:13:42.000And we also have to, before we do any of that, we have to give a facelift to the most hated symbol in the country.
01:16:18.000But again, any small organizations that you can form that encourage those virtues like discipline, character, integrity, courage, all of those things, responsibility, the answer would always be yes, in my opinion.
01:16:34.000Alexios Urban, the biggest problem is people on our side not organizing in person.
01:17:15.000I mean, we need that to a certain extent because it builds morale, and, you know, there's that idea of camaraderie and support and all of that.
01:17:23.000But if we're going to advance the cause, we've got plenty of morale building.
01:17:28.000We've got plenty of chat rooms and forums and podcasts and conventions and rallies and things.
01:17:35.000And so I would say that it's not a matter of organizing our guys in person wherever they are, few and far between, but creating more of them, getting them to advance our interests.
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