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00:01:47.000And rather than doing a conventional show, we actually have a special guest joining us tonight.
00:01:53.000And sort of spur-of-the-moment thing, but we're excited to welcome him back here on the show.
00:01:59.000We'll be joining Sneako in just a second on a call here.
00:02:04.000And time permitting, we may talk about some things with him, and we may cover a few news stories after our discussion, but we're about to jump on a call with him.
00:02:18.000setup let me get on my headset and get on discord and we'll drag him in here let me let me get this all situated and then we'll drag him in all right just give me one second and we'll get set up here okay just give me one sec let me take a look do okay
00:04:22.000You know, Trump got signed on to Rumble, I think, at the beginning of this year, or maybe sometime last year.
00:04:28.000And for him to come on the platform, they forced them to adopt this, like, big TOS.
00:04:33.000And they haven't banned me yet, but it includes all the things that Twitter includes, that Instagram includes.
00:04:40.000And so, out of an abundance of caution, it's like, well, I don't want to take the same chance with an alt platform as with the mainstream platform, with the, you know, the hate speech terms of service, that aspect of it.
00:04:51.000So, I'm kind of one foot in and one foot out.
00:05:52.000And that was a big hit to my career, first talking to you.
00:05:57.000Even then, they were talking about how you're using me to spread your anti-Semitic white supremacy, how I went down the alt-right pipeline,
00:06:23.000I did my show I started my show February 2017 and that was August 2017 and you know the way that it was advertised at the time was that it was anti-immigration it was about
00:07:03.000So, I was under the impression, because they called it Unite the Right, I was under the impression like all the right-wing people are going to be there, and then I went there and, well, not all those people were there.
00:07:12.000Faith Goldie was there, but then she got fired for being there, and some people never showed up.
00:07:19.000So, you know, I was never on board with the, you know, Richard Spencer and Mike Enoch.
00:07:23.000I was never really with that crowd, but I wound up there.
00:07:30.000Are you... Do you think differently of me because you know that, that I was at Charlottesville?
00:07:36.000Depends on how much you supported it and how much, like, you... If you didn't know what it was gonna be about, were you there burning swastikas and, like, with the flags and shit?
00:07:46.000No, no, the, um... So, there were two main events, the Friday was the night before, they did the Tiki Torch thing, and that's where they said, you know, Jews will not replace us, and I wasn't even in the city, I flew in the Saturday morning.
00:09:05.000Well, I'm a northerner, so Robert E. Lee doesn't mean very much to me.
00:09:09.000You know, Robert E. Lee really means more to southerners, but... And I do like Robert E. Lee for what it's worth, but it's not like I'm a fanboy or something.
00:09:19.000But I am against the destruction of all these monuments.
00:09:22.000I'm against the renaming of the parks and the buildings and military bases.
00:09:45.000Well, with Robert E. Lee, he in particular is a sort of remarkable figure because he said that he agreed with the cause of the North, but he fought for the South because that was his home.
00:09:56.000That was what he considered to be his nation.
00:09:58.000He felt an affinity for, I think he was from what, Virginia?
00:10:02.000Again, I'm not even really a Civil War history buff or anything, but
00:10:08.000You're afraid of this type of stuff because you've been at a lot of the biggest protests and the biggest gatherings that most of the mainstream is against.
00:10:38.000So, do you think about the long-term consequences of this stuff?
00:10:43.000Because if you're truly America First, isn't it better to not associate with these types of events?
00:10:54.000And January 6th, obviously you didn't know that it was going to end up like that, but Charlottesville especially.
00:10:59.000Well, with Charlottesville, again, it was about, as far as I was concerned, it was about a few things, which was anti-immigration, and it was against this tie to remove all the statues.
00:11:12.000And if you look at where this thing is going, I would probably say, do we have to defend necessarily every single one?
00:11:23.000But, as always, them going after these particular, oh, this Confederate General or Nathaniel Bedford Forrest, where exactly do you draw the line as to who is necessarily the most defensible?
00:11:36.000But then they go for George Washington the next day, then they go for Thomas Jefferson, then they go for... Right, that's a different story.
00:11:42.000People who are supporting the Confederacy, I can understand them getting rid of that statue.
00:11:46.000That makes sense to me because of the direction of the country and being anti-slavery.
00:12:02.000Because it's part of our heritage as a country.
00:12:04.000It's part of our heritage as a nation.
00:12:06.000And there's something about respecting the nation.
00:12:09.000You know, because I got here, my family got here four or five generations ago.
00:12:13.000My family got here after the Civil War.
00:12:16.000And so to me, because I see what you're saying and I get it.
00:12:18.000It's not like I'm not hearing you, but...
00:12:21.000You know, my family got here after the initial colonies were established in the 17th century, after the founding, after the Civil War, which was the deadliest war in American history.
00:12:33.000What is it for me, who, again, ancestors got here after all that, to say, actually, America's not about that.
00:12:41.000Like, these Confederates aren't real Americans.
00:12:43.000The Confederates were on the American continent for hundreds of years.
00:12:46.000The Southerners were there for hundreds of years.
00:12:50.000They literally were rebelling against the country.
00:13:16.000Well, but you have to ask yourself, what is the country?
00:13:18.000They were rebelling against the central government, which they saw as dominated by the North and by industry and by manufacturing, as against the agriculture.
00:13:28.000I'm not in favor of the cause of the Confederacy, not in terms of slavery by itself, or in terms of some of these other arguments about states' rights or whatever.
00:13:37.000I'm through and through to support Lincoln and how he centralized the federal government.
00:13:43.000But, by the same token, to say that they weren't part of America, you know, Georgia was one of the initial colonies.
00:13:51.000Slavery was baked into the Constitution.
00:13:53.000Again, not to say that it's okay, but to say that, you know, because they took arms against the federal government, that that means that they're anti-American.
00:14:01.000Is it anti-American that Donald Trump didn't accept the result of the election?
00:14:05.000Is it anti-American that, you know, people have protested things over time?
00:14:10.000That people say they have a right to bear arms in the event that
00:14:13.000Is that erasing history or is that just not honoring?
00:14:16.000Because having a statue of people who wanted to secede from the country
00:14:43.000Is actively honoring people who are against the ideas that the country still represents right now.
00:14:49.000There's a difference between celebrating these people and erasing history.
00:14:53.000That's a statue I can understand removing.
00:14:57.000What do you think about the confederate flag?
00:14:58.000I don't think anybody should wave the confederate flag.
00:15:01.000And it's ironic to me that the people in the South that are very pro-America wave a flag that's literally anti-American.
00:15:10.000Um, I support it, and again, I don't wave the confederate flag.
00:15:21.000I don't think it does necessarily represents it.
00:15:23.000That's not what it represents to the people in the South.
00:15:26.000I don't think that people in the South or elsewhere, because now you have people, you have conservative like country type people flying everywhere in the North, in the West.
00:15:37.000It represents... The only reason that they wanted to secede from the country was slavery was the biggest issue that made them want to secede.
00:15:44.000Well, the antagonism about slavery was really about what kind of government we had, and to what extent the federal government had a right to overrule the laws that are passed by the states.
00:15:59.000You know, I mean, slavery happened to be the substance of it, but fundamentally it was about... Isn't that enough for me to be like, no, if the flag, the substance is based on slavery, no, that flag should not be waived.
00:16:13.000I just think that a lot of these arguments are sort of subversive.
00:16:17.000I think that for the most part, because, you know, you said earlier, you have to draw the line between the Confederates and the Founding Fathers.
00:16:25.000Well, the Founding Fathers owned slaves.
00:16:27.000So would you say that the Founding Fathers owned slaves, that's morally reprehensible, America fought a war to end slavery, so we need to tackle the monuments of all the slave owners?
00:16:36.000No, that's not what I'm saying, because the basis of the American flag is that it represents freedom.
00:17:18.000It's not part of my political sort of culture.
00:17:22.000But I think that, and I'm speaking on behalf of people that do, who are not just in the South, I think they fly that as a symbol of rebellion against the elite, against the central government, against Washington.
00:17:35.000And in the same way that George Washington owning slaves doesn't discredit his entire legacy and his status as an American,
00:17:47.000So too does necessarily the business of slavery totally poison the cause of the Confederacy or the battle flag or these particular generals.
00:17:56.000You could say Robert E. Lee was a great man even if he fought for a cause that maybe necessarily you don't agree with.
00:18:03.000Maybe the flag can represent other things and it means actually a lot even to black people who fought on the side of the Confederacy in the Civil War.
00:18:11.000So people would be allowed to fly the Nazi flag?
00:19:18.000I make a joke sometimes out of flying a Russian flag, but I would never do a rally and have Russian flags flying because it's foreign, it's not from here.
00:19:48.000They all recognize that Stalin was brutal and that communism was bad and that it killed lots of people and it was horrible, but they're also not going to sort of attack themselves and their own history and say, oh, we're so sorry, that was the worst thing ever.
00:20:03.000They choose to focus on the good aspects of their history, and the bad things they're acutely aware of, but they're not going to allow that into the consciousness and poison their own identity.
00:20:13.000And I feel like Germany, it would probably be better if they did something similar to that, because in Germany, they're committing suicide as a country because of guilt over the Nazis.
00:20:23.000America's committing suicide as a nation because of guilt over slavery.
00:20:55.000Because two years ago, during BLM, you had all these people out there protesting and saying George Floyd had a knee on his neck because the cops are the new KKK and it's an extension of slavery.
00:21:05.000And so because we were trying to placate people and because we were trying to appease or ameliorate our bad history,
00:21:13.000We decided that we were going to not have law and order.
00:21:16.000We decided that we were going to not have the backs of the police.
00:21:19.000And now it has this terrible outcome and we're all supposed to live with that because we feel bad about bad things that our ancestors did or other people's ancestors did 150 years ago.
00:21:31.000And so, as a country, it's very poisonous to have this constant refrain about our original sin, our country was never perfect, our country was not good.
00:21:40.000It's something that's very damaging to this American consciousness.
00:21:45.000It's a good way to overlook the police, but how does that affect Germany?
00:22:01.000And now, any German that is too right-wing, any German that says, like, we should kick refugees out, they had, during the Syrian refugee crisis, like, millions of people coming.
00:22:18.000And so it's like, you know, countries have like an immune response.
00:22:22.000There is a healthy amount of xenophobia, because a country is your home, and a country is the people that are similar and like you, and so when people that are not like you come in, they could start messing up your stuff.
00:22:33.000And so there's a healthy immune response that says, whoa, whoa!
00:22:36.000You know, this isn't a Muslim country, this isn't Syria, this isn't Afghanistan, this is Germany.
00:22:57.000Migrants, corporations, banks can come in and basically just have their way with you, because anybody that says, we're a nation, we want to assert our identity, we want to assert our interests, they say, whoa, well, remember slavery?
00:23:12.000That's always how they browbeat a nation into submission, so.
00:23:15.000And how do you combat things like racism, very clear racism, because whether, I don't know what you're going to say about that, but slavery,
00:23:24.000How do you combat those ideas without fully embracing the guilt?
00:23:56.000Which I think is important because if you're gonna go into the future of politics, you're only looking at the country as a whole and immigration and all these topics, but you're excluding a big portion of the population.
00:24:13.000Well, I would say that it depends on the context.
00:24:16.000I would probably be more in agreement with you, and Catholics historically were, 150 years ago when there were attitudes that were very negative towards black people in the country.
00:24:27.000But I would say now, that's fundamentally different.
00:24:30.000I don't think there is a very substantial racist element in America anymore.
00:24:36.000And if there is, I think it's very marginal, and I think it's blown out of proportion.
00:24:41.000And I say on my show, I make it a point to distinguish what I'm in favor of and what I'm against.
00:24:48.000I think that everybody should be treated, and I said this at my speech at AFPAC too, which is our big conference.
00:24:53.000I said every person, regardless of their race, should be treated with respect, dignity, equal rights.
00:25:00.000Um, and, and what I'm against is cruelty, prejudice, discrimination.
00:25:04.000I would never say, oh, you're black, I'm gonna treat you differently, you're black, I'm gonna discriminate against you, I'm gonna be mean to you, I think differently about you.
00:25:13.000But we've gotta get specific, because what they say is, you're racist.
00:26:56.000The statue is celebrating these people.
00:26:59.000I would say that it's it's tricky because and I say that as somebody who listen I'm not it's not like I'm somebody that would be totally welcome in that era I'm Italian and Irish and Catholic the Ku Klux Klan hated all those people it's tricky because
00:27:17.000Once you start that process again, if you say, well, you're in the Ku Klux Klan, so obviously your statue's got to go.
00:27:24.000Well, you fought for the Confederacy, so obviously your statue's got to go.
00:28:49.000And even some of my favorite people like Malcolm X I really look up to, he thought the same things, that they shouldn't live together, but their core principles weren't based in that.
00:29:31.000And you could go back to the Bible and you'll find people slaughtering other nations and slaughtering other villages.
00:29:37.000And again, where do you draw the line?
00:29:39.000That's true, but shouldn't you also consider how people idolize these people today?
00:29:45.000If you keep a KKK statue up, what does that do today?
00:29:49.000That gives people an idol to look at who support the KKK.
00:29:53.000If you look at the idea of how Abraham Lincoln is represented today, now I'm seeing how that's erasing history because
00:29:59.000Yeah, maybe people misrepresent Abraham Lincoln if he didn't even care about slavery in the first place.
00:30:05.000But you gotta realize that most people are not going to look at history correctly.
00:30:12.000They have a different representation today, and maybe that's more important to look at how the Normies are going to look at these people rather than what they represented at that time.
00:30:21.000If people think that Abraham Lincoln was
00:30:25.000Pro-freedom of the slaves, then maybe we should let that go.
00:30:29.000Maybe the preservation of history is not as important as you're making it out to be because just, if you're being realistic, most people are not gonna look back at it correctly.
00:30:39.000History's always written by the victor.
00:30:41.000But the and here's the thing, though, is I'm not a southerner, and I'm I don't have any particular affinity for Robert E. Lee or for not a part.
00:30:50.000I have a general affinity because I think that he's a great general.
00:30:53.000So he's he has admirable traits in that way.
00:30:56.000But for the people of the South, it means a lot to them.
00:30:59.000And if you look at the history of the reconstruction.
00:31:03.000A lot of these towns in the South, they cobbled together what meager resources they had.
00:31:12.000Like, the war happened in the South, not in the North, so all their wealth was destroyed, and then they were occupied militarily by the North for decades and by carpetbaggers.
00:31:21.000And so a lot of these cities, they would cobble together their meager resources and build statues commemorating their brothers, commemorating their fallen, their heroes, their civic leaders, their ancestors.
00:31:32.000And so, that is part of their identity, it's part of the fabric of who they are and what it means to be a southerner or an American to them.
00:31:40.000And the point is, you can't find anybody before the year 2000 that isn't extremely problematic.
00:31:49.000You could point a finger at any monument, Martin Luther King Jr., or Lincoln, or Washington, or Jefferson, and the same standards that you're applying to Nathan Bedford Forrest or Robert E. Lee,
00:32:01.000They're somewhat arbitrary, because you could point the finger and say equally terrible things about Columbus, about Washington, about whoever.
00:32:08.000And so the question is, are we going to look at Columbus and Washington and others and say, are they a product of their time?
00:32:17.000We recognize that they're, you know, as everybody is, they're men in time and we're going to recognize their role in our history and their role in the fabric of our country.
00:32:25.000Or are we going to have this totalizing view of, if you don't have the morality of the United Nations after 1991,
00:32:51.000Murder and war and slavery and and Again, if you point to me and say here's a group that's killing people or doing horrible things today I'd be the first to go out and say that's that's no good and that needs to go But taking down these statues.
00:33:05.000They won't tell you that they want them all to go They start with Nathan Bedford Forrest and what they don't tell you is they hate all of Western civilization They want Columbus to go they want Washington to go they want it all to go and who do they want to build statues of pedophiles Marxists
00:33:36.000And you see how being as truthful as you are, you see like the restriction that you have.
00:33:43.000So you're the most canceled person, like you're on a no fly list, everything like that.
00:33:48.000If you don't compromise some of these beliefs, you just will never be successful in politics.
00:33:56.000Some of these statues just need to be removed so that you can compromise for the normies, and so that you can make people feel better.
00:34:03.000I know that you want to go completely down the truth, and you don't want to compromise history, and some of these people, everybody represents these bad things, but in order to be successful, and in order to win the popular vote, it's just never gonna work.
00:34:19.000Well, you know, people have told me that a lot about the practicality of it.
00:34:23.000And for right now, I see myself as sort of the second or the third wave here of people that have been trying to set the country on the right course for a long time.
00:34:32.000And right now, people just need to know the truth.
00:35:08.000You just have to and it's the mistakes that we've both made and that's why we're ending up on these alternative platforms.
00:35:15.000Can't you admit that if we had compromised a little bit more and if we had watered it down for the vast majority of people then
00:35:23.000What's more important would end up in the minds of people.
00:35:27.000We can stick to what's really important and how I could really reach the level of people that I wanted to reach and you could probably reach the level in politics that you wanted to reach if you had compromised some of these uncomfortable truths.
00:35:39.000No, and I think that's a very dangerous conceit because here's the thing, if you're
00:35:45.000What is going on right now is not passive, it's active.
00:35:49.000We have an elite that hates us, and we have an elite that is wrecking the country because they are putting their own best interest at the expense of the interest of the country.
00:35:58.000They're doing what's good for them, not what's good for America.
00:36:02.000And so, to me, it's a very dangerous idea that if we just played nice, and if we just, like you said, compromised, and softened the truth, and wrapped it up... Played nice completely, but just...
00:36:16.000I don't regret anything that I did to get cancelled and end up on Rumble, but it would have been better for the truth if I had...
00:36:27.000Maybe stream some of it on YouTube and then some of the other stuff on a different platform because ultimately having access to everybody is more valuable than being fully truthful.
00:36:38.000That's part of the uncomfortable truth is that not everybody is ready to hear it.
00:36:44.000Not everybody is going to and you need to compromise a little bit to be successful and to reach everybody that you could reach.
00:36:52.000Because now think about how many people, every time somebody makes a documentary about me, they bring up how you're a Nazi, they bring up how you're a white supremacist, and then immediately a lot of people that would relate to you or could hear your message are alienated because they hear these words and they're turned off.
00:37:06.000And a lot of people are just not ready to hear the truth.
00:37:09.000And the amount of power that all the matrix platforms and the amount of brainwashing that people are hearing, it's just, you can't fight against that without compromising a little bit.
00:38:04.000Explicitly submit and bend the knee and say, I surrender to Zog, I surrender to Moloch, you know, I'm not a Groyper, I am not an anti-Semite, I am not those things.
00:38:15.000And at a certain point there's this time for choosing where you gotta say, the pain box, the social backlash, the whatever that comes with confronting the system, it's baked into the cake.
00:38:26.000It's our job to, well maybe not so much you, cause, and here's the thing, I always said this about you and Tate,
00:38:31.000This isn't really your job, in the sense that I don't think you see yourself as a political actor, I think you see yourself as an entertainer, and to some extent a truth teller.
00:38:42.000And insofar as I'm a political guy, it's a political problem that we've got to push through censorship and media control and all these kinds of things.
00:38:51.000And if it were so simple as just being tactful and just kind of playing it close to the chest, well, people have been doing that for a long time.
00:38:59.000But we've got to be bold and tell the truth and and there are going to be there's going to be misunderstanding and there are going to be consequences but it's our job to push past that you know because you get the most flack when you're flying over the target.
00:39:11.000We can't stop flying over the target because we get flack.
00:39:14.000And I understand from your perspective
00:39:40.000And then I started thinking about the long term.
00:39:42.000So, what's more beneficial is having more people on Rumble, having more of the normies trickle into here, and wrapping in a little bit of ham.
00:39:49.000And my chat started saying, faggot, faggot, I'm telling you, like, it's better to not say this word, so that more people, because, like, think about how many people are just gonna be alienated by that.
00:39:57.000Think about how many people are just not gonna, so, that's a compromise.
00:40:01.000That's the same compromise I could see in some of the statues.
00:40:17.000And if I want more people to come to the Rumble, if I want to reach more people, it's like, okay, do I have to say this word?
00:40:22.000That's the same thing as taking down a KKK statue.
00:40:27.000Well, the problem is that the people that want to take down the KKK statue, I guarantee that the majority of people that want to see that statue go, they also want to see Robert E. Lee go, and I'm sure they want to see Columbus go, and probably half of them want to see Jefferson go.
00:40:42.000So it's like, there's this conceit in politics where you make compromises to
00:40:48.000Try to win over people that fundamentally disagree with you and never will agree with you and in doing so you'd sacrifice all the people that do agree with you because I guarantee you that all the people that mostly agree with me support the monuments being up and all the people that fundamentally disagree with me want the statue to come down.
00:41:05.000So should I go out there in an effort to appeal to people that think America was founded by slave owners and there's a poison pill from the very beginning?
00:41:12.000Should I make a compromise to win them over, which I never will, and in the process lose the support of the people that do agree with me?
00:41:20.000People that say, oh, I can't believe you'd sell out American history, blah blah blah.
00:41:24.000So, and I'm not trying to shut you down, because I agree with you.
00:41:27.000Like, I'm not saying that you shouldn't be thoughtful about your approach.
00:41:31.000I'm not saying that you shouldn't, you know,
00:41:57.000Uh, it's really, it works in a counterintuitive way.
00:42:00.000That's how Republicans have always thought, is like, let's bend over backwards to win over these black voters, and they never win them over!
00:42:06.000And in the process, they just lose their white voters, which are dutifully ready to show up and cast their vote.
00:42:12.000And it's like, and that's just how it happens to break down for Republicans in particular.
00:42:16.000And it's like, that's not to say that we shouldn't have a party that black people can be a part of, but it is to say, why are we creating a Platinum Plan and the First Step Act
00:42:25.000If blacks aren't really even going to vote for us, and in the process we lose all the white people that voted for law and order, you know?
00:42:30.000So it's... that's why I say it's tricky.
00:42:32.000That's why I say it's not as simple as... Why can't you apply that same logic?
00:42:35.000If you were telling me before I got my Twitch ban, you were saying, don't have me on, play it safe.
00:42:40.000Why can't you apply that exact same logic to your political approach?
00:42:44.000Because I think we're trying to do two different things.
00:42:47.000You know, because me, my whole life was always sort of set up to be this way in a certain sense.
00:44:50.000If I was like, oh, you know, Sneko's only cool when he comes on and says, oh yeah, you're totally right about everything, I would be a total douchebag.
00:45:07.000And I think a lot of people feel similarly.
00:45:10.000I think that what he said tonight is actually closer to maybe how your average mainstream person in America feels about those things, and maybe probably most black people.
00:45:25.000So to hear that perspective, to hear his point of view, I don't think he's out of line.
00:45:30.000I don't think he's wrong to say any of that.
00:45:31.000I think it's an interesting conversation.
00:46:10.000I think it's maybe more apparent and it's maybe a little bit more obvious to say, oh well, he was in the KKK, of course we want to take a statue down.
00:46:17.000And of course, I think we all understand what people mean by that.
00:46:21.000I think we all understand when people say, we want to take down the statue of Nathaniel Bedford Forrest, I don't think anyone among us is going to say, among us, I don't think anyone among us is going to say, that's totally unreasonable, I have no idea why you're saying that.
00:48:07.000If the Confederates took up arms against the sovereign federal government of the United States, which is the current government, then why would we support their battle flag?
00:48:16.000And the question is, what does battle flag mean?
00:48:24.000And then you have to ask yourself about principles.
00:48:27.000If the, if the standard, if the principle is that Robert E. Lee supported a political cause, a lost political cause that was against our current regime,
00:48:39.000Does that mean that he's not an American?
00:49:21.000Just the same that you couldn't say that the monarchists weren't Russians.
00:49:24.000And that's why I look at Russia as the example.
00:49:27.000Russia has found a way to assimilate all the sort of schizophrenic or contradictory aspects of its history into its identity.
00:49:35.000And they're able to draw a continuous thread through all of it.
00:49:38.000And that's why I use the example of Stalin.
00:49:40.000Stalin was a brutal dictator who forced a famine that killed millions, and the collectivization of agriculture is what did that, and he stubbornly persisted in it, even though the results were disastrous from the outset.
00:49:57.000And I think almost anybody would say that Stalin is in hell, that he was an atheist, that he died in the war.
00:50:04.000Marxists really cared about Marxist theory.
00:50:08.000But Russia has found a way to create a thread between Peter the Great, and Catherine the Great, and Nicholas II, through Stalin, through the others, through to the present day.
00:50:30.000Because Germany, the rise of Germany, was a menace to the continent of Europe.
00:50:35.000And I don't, I say that in a neutral way.
00:50:38.000I say that in a neutral way that just speaks to the dynamic of rising German power on the continent.
00:50:46.000The rise of Germany in the second and third wave of the Industrial Revolution completely reoriented the balance of power in Europe and threatened to destabilize a century of peace, which was established after the Napoleonic Wars.
00:51:00.000And it posed a real threat to Russia, as we know, particularly Hitler's Germany.
00:51:07.000And so I don't say he defeated the Nazis because the Nazis are, oh, they're like the boogeyman under the bed, but Russia and Germany have this historical rivalry.
00:51:18.000And so Putin tells a story about Stalin that he brought Russia from a agricultural country to an industrial country, from a non-nuclear country to the preeminent nuclear superpower, and who defeated the age-old adversary of Russia.
00:51:36.000And from a Russian perspective, those are all good things.
00:51:40.000And of course the Russians know about communism.
00:51:42.000Of course the Russians don't want to repeat communism.
00:51:44.000Of course they understand better than we do.
00:51:48.000But it was funny, I talked to a Russian journalist, I'm not going to say who, but I talked to a Russian journalist in Florida earlier this year and
00:51:59.000And I said, what do you think about Joseph Stalin?
00:52:02.000And she said, Joseph Stalin killed my family.
00:52:06.000He took everything my grandparents had and he put them in prison.
00:52:11.000And I'm like, oh, so you don't like Stalin?
00:52:13.000And she goes, well, it's just complicated.
00:52:17.000Joseph Stalin put her fucking grandparents in the gulags and took all her shit, took all her grandparents' shit, and she said, well, it's complicated.
00:52:37.000They still see a coherent national identity that they all participate in.
00:52:41.000And they understand that history is messy and complicated and there are forces outside of the control of individuals.
00:52:50.000And so do you apologize for Stalin for the rest of your life?
00:52:55.000And do you focus in on the bad and say, well, Stalin was horrible, well, the historic sin of communism, and we're going to apologize to Africa, and we're going to apologize to the Middle East, and we're going to apologize to Central America and Asia?
00:53:08.000Or do you recognize that these ideas and these ideologies are things that possess peoples and nations, and what matters are the peoples and nations more than the ideas, sometimes, and the particular flags or regimes or whatever?
00:53:25.000Represents not the cause of slavery, actually, to me.
00:53:30.000Someone who's not a Southerner, by the way.
00:53:34.000The flag, the battle flag of the Confederacy, and the memory of the Confederacy, as I'm sure any Southerner would tell you, and anyone who flies that flag would tell you, it's not about owning people.
00:53:45.000It's not about the chattel slavery of Africans or blacks.
00:53:55.000You could say they're distinct sub-national identity, which is unique and is distinct and has its own history and has its own way.
00:54:04.000The agricultural society of the antebellum South is completely different than the North.
00:54:14.000And who am I, as somebody again who my ancestors came here four or five generations ago from Italy and Ireland and Mexico, who am I to come in here through Ellis Island or through Texas and start finger wagging and saying, you're not a real American.
00:54:28.000The people that fought and bled, the people that fought and bled.
00:54:34.000In Tennessee, in Virginia, and all across the country over the course of the Civil War, the people that watered the soil with their blood and the blood of their fathers, the people that settled this land initially and fought the Indians and built the first settlements and that made a civilization here, and then they fought a civil conflict about the direction of that and what it was going to be like, it matters less the particulars of that struggle or the substance of that
00:55:04.000Issue at the time, it matters more their distinct national identity.
00:56:32.000They are completely a part, obviously, of the American fabric, cannot remove them from the American fabric.
00:56:43.000Their story, their history, their culture, their way of life, their heroes, their flag, their lost cause.
00:56:50.000Sort of this quixotic lost cause, their struggle.
00:56:54.000And to say that, well, they took arms against the federal government, well, who cares?
00:56:59.000When all is said and done, the particular causes of those days wither and die away.
00:57:05.000What remains is the blood, what remains is the flag, and the buildings, and the holidays, and the culture, and the memory, and those things.
00:57:13.000And those are the things that are worth preserving as statues.
00:57:17.000And honestly, I understand how black people might feel a certain way about that.
00:57:29.000I can't fully understand though because I'm not black and it is important for white people to recognize that That we don't have that and I'm not listen.
00:57:38.000I'm not trying to go faggot leftist mode here.
00:57:40.000I'm really not but lately I've been trying to have a little bit of understanding because I've been talking to sneak go and I talked to these other guys and I've been talking to black people and I
00:57:53.000Um, and for what it's worth, although I disagree with them fundamentally on a lot of things, and we come from very different walks of life, and although I'm not going to go full leftist mode about it, it is important, it is important, generally, generally, to listen to other people and to try to understand where they're coming from.
00:58:15.000That doesn't mean that they're gonna get away with murder, literally.
00:58:20.000That doesn't mean that we're gonna chalk up everything to, you just don't understand, you didn't grow up as a black man in America.
00:58:28.000I'm not saying that that means that we can't have our own opinion on these things and we can't exercise reasonable judgment about what they're saying.
00:58:39.000But, but, but, you know, put yourself in the shoes of a black person
00:58:45.000Their ancestors were literally brought over here as slaves.
00:58:59.000We can't let the guilt over slavery hold us back.
00:59:02.000And I know that the Jews ran the slave trade.
00:59:05.000And I know that slavery actually wasn't even as cruel as people make it out to be.
00:59:11.000You know, when you watch this stuff like 12 Years a Slave, it totally ignores the reality that most of the institution of slavery was actually somewhat magnanimous, was actually somewhat benevolent.
00:59:45.000But the idea that this was a relationship that was based on malice or based on cruelty or anything like that, I think that flies in the face of what slavery really was.
00:59:58.000But nevertheless, in spite of all that, how does it feel then to be a black person and your story in America is you were brought here as a slave, and your ancestors were literally owned by white people, and we can debate about the historical record about the KKK and these kinds of things, and I think it's a little bit more complicated than most people understand actually.
01:00:23.000Again, I say that not as somebody that would support racial killing or racial violence.
01:00:35.000But there's sort of a complicated history there with Reconstruction and the particular political situation between the end of the Civil War and the beginning of the 20th century.
01:00:45.000Without getting into the weeds on all of that, the point is,
01:00:51.000We can be reasonable and we can be rational and we can understand the facts while also being empathetic to how other people feel.
01:00:58.000The question though is, are we going to ruin our country?
01:01:03.000Are we going to, are we going to fundamentally destroy the monuments of some people so that other people can feel better?
01:01:14.000And maybe the part that I agree with with Sneko on is that there should be some kind of a compromise.
01:01:22.000I think that some kind of a compromise is okay, but I would be on the side of, I would be against destroying monuments.
01:01:32.000The compromise for me would be, you want to create a monument to Frederick Douglass?
01:01:49.000That would be, rather than, let's tear down the statues of all the transgressors, which we'd tear down all of them, I would say if there's a give on the other side, then maybe you say, alright, let them have their Malcolm X statue, let them have, because I wouldn't be in favor of an MLK statue, I wouldn't like that, but they would.
01:02:10.000So maybe that's the compromise, I don't know.
01:02:17.000It goes back to what is, uh, you know, what do we really believe?
01:02:29.000Because people say, well, they never compromise and see that that's the kind of mentality that I don't really like this reflexive and it's tricky.
01:02:41.000Because Sneko, I can tell, is a good guy, who means well, and he is sincere.
01:02:47.000And for a guy like Sneko, I would say, yeah, you're obviously arguing in good faith, and I can meet you halfway, and I'm empathetic.
01:02:56.000It's tough, because he's a friend of mine.
01:02:58.000And so when he says that, I take what he says seriously, and I listen to what he says, and I don't agree with it.
01:03:05.000But I say, hey, well, he's my friend, and I do have respect for him, and he's an American.
01:03:54.000And so it's not so so that makes it tricky because
01:04:00.000Because there is a side that doesn't want to compromise and that's probably the vocal and maybe even the dominant position on the other side is they want all the monuments to go and they're willing to do it outside the law.
01:04:12.000They're willing to go out there and just topple it with a lynch mob and kill cops and harass white people on the street as they did during BLM.
01:04:24.000And so when you look at it like that, you're like, hell no, we're not taking any monuments down.
01:04:29.000But then you do get people that are well-meaning, I think, who are arguing in good faith, who, you know, it probably does offend their conscience to some extent, and they can't get over slavery and these kinds of things because it's deeply offensive to them.
01:04:48.000So that's where it becomes a tricky issue.
01:04:50.000Now the idea about the political viability of it, I obviously disagree.
01:04:54.000I obviously don't see the argument that we should take the monuments down.
01:04:59.000And in my ideal America, there wouldn't be monuments to MLK, but there would be to Robert E. Lee.
01:05:42.000Everybody who watches this show maybe thinks that they're around average or a little bit above average.
01:05:49.000But if you're watching this show, if you're really interested in politics, if you're interested in deep politics, you're probably not average IQ.
01:05:57.000You want to see average IQ and people that cluster around average IQ?
01:06:21.000So on the question of the monuments, I actually do think it's a little bit tricky because I'm not a southerner and I'm not black, so I really don't have a dog in that fight.
01:06:34.000And as somebody that's neither a southerner nor black, I would say, why don't we just have black monuments and southerner monuments?
01:06:41.000And we can have Columbus too, and we can have all the monuments of all the constituent peoples in America, so long as they're not totally against what we believe.
01:06:51.000But on the question of that's going to hold you back from politics, my mom tells me this.
01:06:57.000You know, a lot of people tell me this.
01:06:59.000And frankly, in no disrespect, but it's people that haven't been doing this for as long as I have and haven't been in it.
01:07:43.000That people that say that you've just got to compromise, I think they just don't know what they're talking about.
01:07:50.000And it's counterintuitive, and it's probably not apparent from the outside looking in, but as somebody that has been through it, and went to Charlottesville, and lived through that, and lived through that response.
01:08:02.000And for what it's worth, Sneko's gotten some pushback, but we're talking about he lost a YouTube channel.
01:09:20.000I thought that way once, too, at the very beginning.
01:09:25.000But as somebody that is extremely successful in this space, as somebody that has survived and has been able to carry over a large audience to a dissident platform, and build a dissident platform, and build a conference, and probably the most successful dissident in America who is not compromised, I will tell you that it is a total misconception that if you just didn't say this, if you just didn't say it like that, then you could avoid the worst of the consequences.
01:10:16.000If only Trump didn't say illegals are rapists.
01:10:19.000If only he didn't call for a Muslim ban.
01:10:21.000If only he didn't say grab him by the pussy.
01:10:22.000If only he didn't say shithole country.
01:10:24.000If only he didn't... Then he'd be fine.
01:10:27.000If only Alex Jones didn't do Sandy Hook.
01:10:29.000If only he didn't... debate David Duke.
01:10:33.000If only Tucker Carlson didn't make those comments on the shock jock show.
01:10:36.000If only Matt Walsh never said that, uh, 16 year olds, you know, it's not, you know, that's not the end of the world or whatever he said about that.
01:11:12.000The idea that you're gonna pull a fast one, the idea that you're gonna have access to their system while undermining it in a really clever way, it's been tried before.
01:11:24.000But what happens is fundamentally they draw a line and they say, are you our bitch or are you against us?
01:11:30.000And I'm not willing to say I'm a bitch.
01:11:54.000But eventually what they'll do is they'll draw a line.
01:11:56.000They'll draw a firm, fine line and they'll say, are you with us or are you against us?
01:12:02.000And I will tell you a hundred thousand percent, everybody that's in the system has to get on their knees at some point and swear their loyalty.
01:12:19.000If it hasn't happened already, we'll have to bitch straight up.
01:12:25.000This idea that you can maintain that for a long time while telling the truth,
01:12:31.000And your audience understands what you're saying, eventually they're going to yank the leash.
01:12:38.000Because look, again, people are stupid.
01:12:41.000You can't be very subtle with what you say.
01:12:45.000And so, you cannot say something that your audience is going to hear that the Jews and the elites are not going to hear.
01:12:53.000And when they hear it, they're not going to like it.
01:12:55.000They're going to want you to lose your platform.
01:12:59.000So this idea that you can maintain this game forever, where you're your dog whistling, you're maintaining this coy message, but also you're down low or whatever, doesn't work.
01:23:32.000I always get this, I will wake somebody up, you know, or people like me, and they get it, and then they'll go, oh, but other people are, I get it, but other people are too dumb to get it.
01:23:42.000So you gotta dumb it down for all those other people?
01:23:46.000If you get it, clearly something- I did something right.
01:23:49.000You know, thousands and thousands and thousands of people will get it, and then they'll say, well, but all these other people aren't gonna get it.
01:23:56.000It's like, well, you're- not everyone's gonna like you.
01:24:00.000But the goal is that you win people over, and if you can influence influencers, then somebody else is gonna say it in the right way.
01:25:01.000The idea that I could go live every night and spill my guts to you and tell you about my eccentricities and make the risky jokes that I do or other jokes and give you this political commentary and these higher ideas and my feelings about God or about the world, I couldn't do that if I was not an open,
01:25:23.000If I was not an open book, wearing my heart on my sleeve, if I wasn't a real human being.
01:25:27.000The idea that I could just flip a switch and just sort of just sand it down around the edges and present something sanitized and totally corporate and people go, well I'm not saying to do that.
01:25:51.000I can either focus on expression, I can either focus on authentic expression and express myself as authentically and precisely and in the most artistic way possible, but I can't do that if I'm holding something back.
01:26:07.000I can't do that if I'm withholding something and saying, well, but I'm not going there, but I'm lying to you, but I'm really whatever.
01:26:52.000And it's not going to be for everybody, and yeah, it's maybe not even going to be for most people.
01:26:58.000But the hope is that it's going to be the song, it's going to be the prophetic song that is going to inspire maybe the people that can do that, that are a little bit more
01:27:10.000I never set out to be the leader of anything.
01:27:29.000I set out to correct a record and say there's a big part of the story that everybody's missing and people can do with that information what they want.
01:27:37.000The style is provocative, it's punchy, because it's interesting to me.
01:27:43.000It is a little edgy and it is spicy, you know, because to me that's flavorful.
01:27:50.000I'm not... I could go on and I could do the NPR thing, believe me, I'm capable of it.
01:28:54.000And like I said at the beginning, it's a sign that we are friends, I think, and that we respect each other, that we can disagree.
01:29:04.000And, you know, and I'm not trying to bludge.
01:29:06.000I'm not trying to beat him down and say, well, actually, I'm just trying to tell him my, cause you know, he was kind of asking me some tough questions.
01:29:13.000He was kind of probing me a little bit, which I'm fine with.
01:29:42.000And, um, you know, there was this big nasty video that some asshole just made about him, calling him, saying that I was using him and I'm this evil guy.
01:29:59.000It's not pleasant, it's not easy, and so, I get it, you know, I've been there.
01:30:05.000To lose all your platforms in a few months, to go from being the fan favorite to being attacked relentlessly like that, it sucks.
01:30:14.000And I told them this, I said, I told them, I told them by text, because you know, people are always telling me, you know, you're reckless or whatever.
01:30:22.000And I'm not gonna spill the beans on our private conversations, but my advice to him, even on the stream when he started to get censored, I said, don't die on this hill.
01:30:32.000I said, you're an entertainment streamer.
01:31:03.000Nobody expects you, nobody would say that you have an obligation to go and sabotage your own platform and get censored on everything, you know, because you want to talk about conspiracy theories this week.
01:31:17.000That's not, not everybody is going to do that, you know, so.
01:31:23.000So I told him when all that was going on, I said, I said, play it safe.
01:31:56.000He's taken a look back at the past couple months and he's thinking about it critically.
01:32:01.000He's thinking, who really is this Nick guy?
01:32:04.000What did I really get myself involved with?
01:32:07.000I get it, you know, and all I can do is just be honest about it and tell him what I believe and where I'm coming from and, you know, and he's his own man, he's his own guy and he's got his own independent, he's got his own life and he's got his own experience and he's got his own thoughts and everything so I'm not, you know.
01:34:22.000Without the life of the Spirit, without the Father.
01:34:26.000And when I look at Trump, and when I look at Ye, and when I look at other people like that, I see that.
01:34:35.000And I'm willing to put it all on the line, too.
01:34:37.000And money, money, fame, status, you know, all these other things, all these other surrogate or secondary things that we're working towards, I just don't care about them.
01:34:49.000If I cared about money, I wouldn't do this.
01:34:52.000I haven't been making any money in the last two years.
01:34:55.000I've been, you know, because this site costs a fortune to run.
01:34:59.000And, you know, so, and it's not easy with our payment situation.
01:35:05.000I was never in it for the money, and I was never in it for the power, and I was never in it to be liked, and I was never in it for people to become fans.
01:35:14.000I was in it because I wanted to tell the truth and I wanted to express myself and show everybody what's true.
01:35:22.000And I know it's not easy, and I know it sucks.
01:35:25.000And not everybody's going to be all the way committed because not everybody wants to be a political martyr or whatever.
01:35:31.000But for what it's worth, I think it is valuable that people like Sneeko and Tate and Yay and others, who I all see in a similar category, are doing the right thing.
01:35:42.000Trump has sort of lit a fire in all of us in a certain way, and he's this nuclear bomb of inspiration that has started this whole universe here.
01:35:50.000And so Sneeko being on Rumble, I don't think it's the worst thing in the world.
01:35:56.000Obviously it'd be better for him money-wise that he was on YouTube, but is it better for humanity if everybody's a slave to YouTube?
01:36:06.000People are always saying, don't ruin your life, don't ruin your prospects, don't ruin your money, play it safe, don't go against the system.
01:36:15.000And yeah, that'll probably be better for people now in a limited way, in a narrow way, but is that better for humanity?
01:36:23.000That YouTube and the ADL have all this power and the power of fear?
01:36:27.000Is it better for humanity that everybody's afraid and everybody's sensitive and everybody doesn't want to speak out and everybody's so ignorant?
01:36:35.000At a certain point, somebody, even if just one person, has got to stand up.
01:36:45.000Be the one to go, like I did, to Seville, or to January 6th, or create cozy, or do AFPAC, or say the things you're not supposed to say, or go on Rumble, or talk about the Jewish media, or run for president as Trump did in 2015.
01:37:01.000The question is, what can we do for humanity?
01:37:41.000I thought he was going to come on and we were going to talk about Kyrie Irving, which we will now talk about tomorrow.
01:37:46.000I had that planned for tonight, but Sneeko wanted to, you know, we were going to do a collab last minute, so I will talk about Kyrie Irving in the latest tomorrow.
01:38:34.000You know, because free thinking means that you've gotta challenge yourself, and other people should challenge you.
01:38:47.000So, yeah, I mean, I don't agree with it.
01:38:51.000But there's nothing wrong with... I don't think it's... I don't think we should be afraid of sitting down and talking to somebody, even if they're just playing devil's advocate, or even if they believe it.
01:39:13.000Because if you notice, whenever he does a guest appearance, whether he's interviewing or they're technically the interviewer, he's asking the questions.
01:39:34.000That's a very high IQ activity, actually.
01:39:38.000And so whenever, and I always find myself like, on the back foot, I always find myself rambling and giving answers, and I want him to talk, you know, he's like a guest on my show, I want him to talk, but he just, you know, he's asking me, what do you think about this?
01:39:51.000Well, what do you say if someone says this?
01:39:54.000he's got a very that's that's I would call that like the tinkering mind you know it's sort of like concepts are like a Rubik's Cube and you're kind of like shifting it around and seeing you know does this solution work does that solution work what if we went this way what if I tried this pattern that's it that's a sign of a high IQ so
01:40:45.000So anyway, so those are good talk, good conversation, good show.
01:40:52.000That's better, you know, because I could go on the show and just talk about the, you know, the same stuff that we all agree on every night, you know, or we can have actually an interesting conversation with someone who's smart and who's good faith and who disagrees.