America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - America First Ep. 1093America First Ep. 1093

00:01:32.000 Good evening everybody.

00:01:33.000 You are watching America First.

00:01:35.000 My name is Nicholas J. Fuentes.

00:01:37.000 We have a great show for you tonight.

00:01:38.000 Very excited to be back with you here tonight on Thursday.

00:01:42.000 We have a lot to talk about tonight.

00:01:44.000 A lot to get into.

00:01:47.000 And rather than doing a conventional show, we actually have a special guest joining us tonight.

00:01:53.000 And sort of spur-of-the-moment thing, but we're excited to welcome him back here on the show.

00:01:59.000 We'll be joining Sneako in just a second on a call here.

00:02:04.000 And time permitting, we may talk about some things with him, and we may cover a few news stories after our discussion, but we're about to jump on a call with him.

00:02:15.000 So let me just get

00:02:18.000 setup let me get on my headset and get on discord and we'll drag him in here let me let me get this all situated and then we'll drag him in all right just give me one second and we'll get set up here okay just give me one sec let me take a look do okay

00:02:47.000 Um, and then how do I do this again?

00:02:49.000 I'm trying to remember how I did it with the camera.

00:02:51.000 I'll just jump in the call and then I'll figure it out in a sec.

00:02:57.000 Hello?

00:02:58.000 Can you hear me?

00:02:59.000 Yeah, I can hear you, I can't see you.

00:03:01.000 Yes, here, I'm trying to fix that.

00:03:03.000 Give me one sec, let me just... Damn, Nick, you're on Black People Time! 0.99

00:03:07.000 Ha, yeah, for real. 1.00

00:03:09.000 Yeah, um, let me just pull this out, and then do this, and then...

00:03:16.000 What's up, Cozy?

00:03:17.000 O7's in the chat. 1.00

00:03:17.000 Shout out to all the Kruipers, man. 1.00

00:03:19.000 I stayed up. 1.00

00:03:21.000 Nick!

00:03:21.000 There we are.

00:03:22.000 Hey! 0.99

00:03:22.000 Hey. 0.99

00:03:23.000 How you doing?

00:03:24.000 How are you doing?

00:03:24.000 I'm good.

00:03:25.000 I'm good.

00:03:26.000 I'm tired.

00:03:26.000 I've been streaming for a while.

00:03:27.000 We were watching some degenerate alcoholic content, but it's funny.

00:03:31.000 I don't know what you think about, like, Steve Will Do It and all that.

00:03:33.000 Oh, yeah.

00:03:34.000 Never been a huge fan of that kind of stuff.

00:03:37.000 You're real into... He's with the NELF guys, right? 0.94

00:03:41.000 Yeah, I've been hanging out with them a little bit.

00:03:42.000 They're in the area.

00:03:43.000 Plus, they're a fellow Rumbler.

00:03:45.000 So, I'm gonna support people on this new platform.

00:03:49.000 And, I didn't know you stream on Rumble, too.

00:03:51.000 Yeah, yeah, I started multi-streaming on Rumble.

00:03:54.000 You know, just because you want to get as much crossover.

00:03:56.000 Obviously, this is my main platform.

00:03:59.000 But, yeah, I saw.

00:03:59.000 So, was today, or yesterday, was that your first stream on Rumble?

00:04:03.000 Yesterday was my first stream.

00:04:05.000 Today's day two and I'm just going strong.

00:04:06.000 Been streaming for four and a half hours.

00:04:07.000 I'm gonna keep on trying to run it up on this free speech platform.

00:04:11.000 I thought you were banned on here.

00:04:12.000 I just assumed that you were banned on everything except for Cozy.

00:04:15.000 No, yeah.

00:04:15.000 I mean, so the thing with Rumble and with some of these other platforms is...

00:04:20.000 They do have a terms of service.

00:04:22.000 You know, Trump got signed on to Rumble, I think, at the beginning of this year, or maybe sometime last year.

00:04:28.000 And for him to come on the platform, they forced them to adopt this, like, big TOS.

00:04:33.000 And they haven't banned me yet, but it includes all the things that Twitter includes, that Instagram includes.

00:04:40.000 And so, out of an abundance of caution, it's like, well, I don't want to take the same chance with an alt platform as with the mainstream platform, with the, you know, the hate speech terms of service, that aspect of it.

00:04:51.000 So, I'm kind of one foot in and one foot out.

00:04:55.000 To do a podcast.

00:04:56.000 I was thinking about people that I could do a Spotify podcast with.

00:04:59.000 And I was thinking, yo, it would have been great.

00:05:00.000 And Chad, I texted Nick yesterday.

00:05:02.000 I'm like, let's do a Spotify podcast.

00:05:04.000 How did you get banned?

00:05:05.000 I thought that was a free speech platform.

00:05:06.000 How did you get banned on Spotify?

00:05:09.000 So, you know, they were calling on Spotify to ban Ye and take all his music off.

00:05:13.000 And they came on and said, well, we really can't ban his music because his music isn't hateful.

00:05:18.000 They said we can only ban hateful

00:05:21.000 I do!

00:05:40.000 Twitch, Twitter, TikTok.

00:05:41.000 I'm still good on Instagram, good on Rumble, and good on Spotify.

00:05:45.000 But yesterday I watched someone made a documentary called The Devastating Demise of Sneeko.

00:05:50.000 Yeah!

00:05:50.000 A leftist with he, him.

00:05:52.000 And that was a big hit to my career, first talking to you.

00:05:57.000 Even then, they were talking about how you're using me to spread your anti-Semitic white supremacy, how I went down the alt-right pipeline,

00:06:23.000 I did my show I started my show February 2017 and that was August 2017 and you know the way that it was advertised at the time was that it was anti-immigration it was about

00:06:35.000 The Robert E. Lee Monument.

00:06:36.000 They were going to rename the Robert E. Lee Park and the Robert E. Lee Monument in Charlottesville around the University of Virginia.

00:06:44.000 And so, I thought that it was going to be like a mainstream event.

00:06:48.000 I was told that Faith Goldie was going to be there, and she used to work for The Rebel. 0.61

00:06:51.000 The Rebel is like this Jewish publication in Canada. 0.83

00:06:54.000 They were very, like, soft. 1.00

00:06:57.000 Gavin McInnes was, I thought, was going.

00:06:59.000 I was told Sam Hyde was going.

00:07:03.000 So, I was under the impression, because they called it Unite the Right, I was under the impression like all the right-wing people are going to be there, and then I went there and, well, not all those people were there.

00:07:12.000 Faith Goldie was there, but then she got fired for being there, and some people never showed up. 0.98

00:07:19.000 So, you know, I was never on board with the, you know, Richard Spencer and Mike Enoch.

00:07:23.000 I was never really with that crowd, but I wound up there.

00:07:27.000 You know, protesting immigration.

00:07:29.000 What are your thoughts on that?

00:07:30.000 Are you... Do you think differently of me because you know that, that I was at Charlottesville?

00:07:36.000 Depends on how much you supported it and how much, like, you... If you didn't know what it was gonna be about, were you there burning swastikas and, like, with the flags and shit? 0.96

00:07:46.000 No, no, the, um... So, there were two main events, the Friday was the night before, they did the Tiki Torch thing, and that's where they said, you know, Jews will not replace us, and I wasn't even in the city, I flew in the Saturday morning. 0.94

00:08:00.000 I don't know.

00:08:16.000 Got to my hotel at 11.

00:08:18.000 By the time I left my hotel, they had dispersed the main rally.

00:08:22.000 So I was there for probably like two or three hours, just sort of like looking for what was going on.

00:08:28.000 The riot police had already shut off all access to Lee Park.

00:08:33.000 And so I met up with a few people that I knew at the time.

00:08:36.000 James Alsa, Brittany Venti I saw there, and some other people.

00:08:41.000 You're a fan of Robert E. Lee?

00:09:05.000 Well, I'm a northerner, so Robert E. Lee doesn't mean very much to me.

00:09:09.000 You know, Robert E. Lee really means more to southerners, but... And I do like Robert E. Lee for what it's worth, but it's not like I'm a fanboy or something.

00:09:19.000 But I am against the destruction of all these monuments.

00:09:22.000 I'm against the renaming of the parks and the buildings and military bases.

00:09:27.000 What do you feel about all that?

00:09:28.000 I think it's a part of history.

00:09:32.000 And but I'm definitely not a fan of the Confederacy, but I don't think that they should get rid of history.

00:09:38.000 But also celebrating these people who are probably for slavery is not the best idea.

00:09:43.000 No.

00:09:45.000 Well, with Robert E. Lee, he in particular is a sort of remarkable figure because he said that he agreed with the cause of the North, but he fought for the South because that was his home.

00:09:56.000 That was what he considered to be his nation.

00:09:58.000 He felt an affinity for, I think he was from what, Virginia?

00:10:02.000 Again, I'm not even really a Civil War history buff or anything, but

00:10:08.000 You're afraid of this type of stuff because you've been at a lot of the biggest protests and the biggest gatherings that most of the mainstream is against.

00:10:38.000 So, do you think about the long-term consequences of this stuff?

00:10:43.000 Because if you're truly America First, isn't it better to not associate with these types of events?

00:10:50.000 Like what?

00:10:51.000 Like Charlottesville and what else?

00:10:54.000 And January 6th, obviously you didn't know that it was going to end up like that, but Charlottesville especially.

00:10:59.000 Well, with Charlottesville, again, it was about, as far as I was concerned, it was about a few things, which was anti-immigration, and it was against this tie to remove all the statues.

00:11:12.000 And if you look at where this thing is going, I would probably say, do we have to defend necessarily every single one?

00:11:21.000 In a vacuum, maybe not.

00:11:23.000 But, as always, them going after these particular, oh, this Confederate General or Nathaniel Bedford Forrest, where exactly do you draw the line as to who is necessarily the most defensible?

00:11:34.000 I don't know.

00:11:36.000 But then they go for George Washington the next day, then they go for Thomas Jefferson, then they go for... Right, that's a different story.

00:11:42.000 People who are supporting the Confederacy, I can understand them getting rid of that statue.

00:11:46.000 That makes sense to me because of the direction of the country and being anti-slavery. 0.67

00:11:50.000 That makes sense.

00:11:51.000 The Founding Fathers, I don't think you can put in the same category as people who wanted to secede from the nation.

00:11:56.000 If you're America First, why are you in support of people who are literally anti-America?

00:12:00.000 They're trying to leave the country.

00:12:02.000 Because it's part of our heritage as a country.

00:12:04.000 It's part of our heritage as a nation.

00:12:06.000 And there's something about respecting the nation.

00:12:09.000 You know, because I got here, my family got here four or five generations ago.

00:12:13.000 My family got here after the Civil War.

00:12:16.000 And so to me, because I see what you're saying and I get it.

00:12:18.000 It's not like I'm not hearing you, but...

00:12:21.000 You know, my family got here after the initial colonies were established in the 17th century, after the founding, after the Civil War, which was the deadliest war in American history.

00:12:33.000 What is it for me, who, again, ancestors got here after all that, to say, actually, America's not about that. 0.79

00:12:41.000 Like, these Confederates aren't real Americans.

00:12:43.000 The Confederates were on the American continent for hundreds of years. 0.53

00:12:46.000 The Southerners were there for hundreds of years.

00:12:48.000 We may not agree with the cause or

00:12:50.000 They literally were rebelling against the country.

00:13:16.000 Well, but you have to ask yourself, what is the country?

00:13:18.000 They were rebelling against the central government, which they saw as dominated by the North and by industry and by manufacturing, as against the agriculture.

00:13:28.000 I'm not in favor of the cause of the Confederacy, not in terms of slavery by itself, or in terms of some of these other arguments about states' rights or whatever.

00:13:37.000 I'm through and through to support Lincoln and how he centralized the federal government.

00:13:43.000 But, by the same token, to say that they weren't part of America, you know, Georgia was one of the initial colonies.

00:13:51.000 Slavery was baked into the Constitution.

00:13:53.000 Again, not to say that it's okay, but to say that, you know, because they took arms against the federal government, that that means that they're anti-American.

00:14:01.000 Is it anti-American that Donald Trump didn't accept the result of the election?

00:14:05.000 Is it anti-American that, you know, people have protested things over time?

00:14:10.000 That people say they have a right to bear arms in the event that

00:14:13.000 Is that erasing history or is that just not honoring?

00:14:16.000 Because having a statue of people who wanted to secede from the country

00:14:43.000 Is actively honoring people who are against the ideas that the country still represents right now.

00:14:49.000 There's a difference between celebrating these people and erasing history.

00:14:53.000 That's a statue I can understand removing.

00:14:57.000 What do you think about the confederate flag?

00:14:58.000 I don't think anybody should wave the confederate flag.

00:15:01.000 And it's ironic to me that the people in the South that are very pro-America wave a flag that's literally anti-American.

00:15:10.000 Um, I support it, and again, I don't wave the confederate flag.

00:15:14.000 Yeah, totally.

00:15:16.000 As a Northerner?

00:15:17.000 Yeah!

00:15:18.000 But the flag represents slavery.

00:15:21.000 I don't think it does necessarily represents it.

00:15:23.000 That's not what it represents to the people in the South.

00:15:26.000 I don't think that people in the South or elsewhere, because now you have people, you have conservative like country type people flying everywhere in the North, in the West.

00:15:35.000 It's not just a Southern thing.

00:15:37.000 It represents... The only reason that they wanted to secede from the country was slavery was the biggest issue that made them want to secede.

00:15:44.000 Well, the antagonism about slavery was really about what kind of government we had, and to what extent the federal government had a right to overrule the laws that are passed by the states.

00:15:59.000 You know, I mean, slavery happened to be the substance of it, but fundamentally it was about... Isn't that enough for me to be like, no, if the flag, the substance is based on slavery, no, that flag should not be waived.

00:16:13.000 I just think that a lot of these arguments are sort of subversive.

00:16:17.000 I think that for the most part, because, you know, you said earlier, you have to draw the line between the Confederates and the Founding Fathers.

00:16:25.000 Well, the Founding Fathers owned slaves.

00:16:27.000 So would you say that the Founding Fathers owned slaves, that's morally reprehensible, America fought a war to end slavery, so we need to tackle the monuments of all the slave owners?

00:16:36.000 No, that's not what I'm saying, because the basis of the American flag is that it represents freedom.

00:16:41.000 And the basis of America.

00:16:43.000 The confederate flag is based around slavery specifically.

00:16:47.000 That's the leading issue for wanting to secede from the country.

00:16:50.000 The confederate flag, can you not say represents slavery?

00:16:55.000 I don't think it does, no.

00:16:56.000 And I don't think that people that fly it today do that in support of slavery.

00:17:01.000 And I'm with you because I'm not, believe me, I'm not pro-Confederate or anything like that.

00:17:09.000 I'm a northerner, I'm not culturally, I don't relate to the South at all.

00:17:14.000 I don't own a Confederate battle flag.

00:17:16.000 I would never fly that.

00:17:17.000 It's not part of my culture.

00:17:18.000 It's not part of my political sort of culture.

00:17:22.000 But I think that, and I'm speaking on behalf of people that do, who are not just in the South, I think they fly that as a symbol of rebellion against the elite, against the central government, against Washington.

00:17:33.000 It's more about rebellion.

00:17:35.000 And in the same way that George Washington owning slaves doesn't discredit his entire legacy and his status as an American,

00:17:47.000 So too does necessarily the business of slavery totally poison the cause of the Confederacy or the battle flag or these particular generals.

00:17:56.000 You could say Robert E. Lee was a great man even if he fought for a cause that maybe necessarily you don't agree with.

00:18:02.000 The same is true of the flag.

00:18:03.000 Maybe the flag can represent other things and it means actually a lot even to black people who fought on the side of the Confederacy in the Civil War. 0.71

00:18:11.000 So people would be allowed to fly the Nazi flag? 0.88

00:18:15.000 Should they be allowed to? 0.86

00:18:17.000 Yeah, that's protected by the First Amendment.

00:18:17.000 Yes.

00:18:20.000 Okay, but in Germany, it's illegal.

00:18:24.000 And it's pretty understandable why, because it represents... I think it's pretty comparable to the Confederate flag.

00:18:31.000 I guess I understand it, but do you support people waving the Nazi flag?

00:18:36.000 What do you think about that?

00:18:38.000 No, I don't support people waving the Nazi flag, but... Why do you support the Confederate flag, but not the Nazi flag?

00:18:47.000 Because the Nazi flag isn't from our country, you know, and the Nazi flag represents something that's particularly German.

00:18:54.000 If you look at National Socialism, National Socialism is a very specifically German philosophy.

00:19:00.000 It's altogether separate from the other kinds of fascism on the continent at the time.

00:19:06.000 And so for us to fly that here, it'd be like, it's like when these tankies are flying a communist flag, like a hammer and sickle flag.

00:19:14.000 I don't think it'd be appropriate to fly that here either.

00:19:16.000 Or even a Russian flag. 0.97

00:19:18.000 I make a joke sometimes out of flying a Russian flag, but I would never do a rally and have Russian flags flying because it's foreign, it's not from here.

00:19:26.000 The Confederacy is 0.78

00:19:28.000 And put another way, in Russia, they don't apologize for the legacy of Stalin. 0.64

00:19:32.000 They don't apologize for the legacy of communism.

00:19:34.000 I like that about Russia.

00:19:48.000 They all recognize that Stalin was brutal and that communism was bad and that it killed lots of people and it was horrible, but they're also not going to sort of attack themselves and their own history and say, oh, we're so sorry, that was the worst thing ever.

00:20:03.000 They choose to focus on the good aspects of their history, and the bad things they're acutely aware of, but they're not going to allow that into the consciousness and poison their own identity.

00:20:13.000 And I feel like Germany, it would probably be better if they did something similar to that, because in Germany, they're committing suicide as a country because of guilt over the Nazis. 0.53

00:20:23.000 America's committing suicide as a nation because of guilt over slavery. 0.52

00:20:29.000 I don't understand that statement.

00:20:33.000 How are they committing suicide because of guilt over slavery?

00:20:46.000 Crime is surging in every major city.

00:20:49.000 Carjackings are surging in every major city.

00:20:51.000 What does that have to do with the Confederate flag?

00:20:53.000 Here's what it has to do with it.

00:20:55.000 Because two years ago, during BLM, you had all these people out there protesting and saying George Floyd had a knee on his neck because the cops are the new KKK and it's an extension of slavery.

00:21:05.000 And so because we were trying to placate people and because we were trying to appease or ameliorate our bad history,

00:21:13.000 We decided that we were going to not have law and order.

00:21:16.000 We decided that we were going to not have the backs of the police.

00:21:19.000 And now it has this terrible outcome and we're all supposed to live with that because we feel bad about bad things that our ancestors did or other people's ancestors did 150 years ago.

00:21:31.000 And so, as a country, it's very poisonous to have this constant refrain about our original sin, our country was never perfect, our country was not good.

00:21:40.000 It's something that's very damaging to this American consciousness.

00:21:45.000 It's a good way to overlook the police, but how does that affect Germany?

00:21:50.000 How is Germany committing suicide?

00:21:52.000 That's a situation where I can understand why they ban that flag and why they try to ban that ideology after what happened.

00:21:58.000 Because now, they've gone too far. 0.65

00:22:01.000 And now, any German that is too right-wing, any German that says, like, we should kick refugees out, they had, during the Syrian refugee crisis, like, millions of people coming. 0.91

00:22:11.000 An influx of immigration, right.

00:22:12.000 Yeah, and you couldn't be against it, because you were then perceived as xenophobic.

00:22:16.000 As a Nazi.

00:22:16.000 Which was like the Nazis.

00:22:18.000 And so it's like, you know, countries have like an immune response.

00:22:22.000 There is a healthy amount of xenophobia, because a country is your home, and a country is the people that are similar and like you, and so when people that are not like you come in, they could start messing up your stuff.

00:22:33.000 And so there's a healthy immune response that says, whoa, whoa!

00:22:36.000 You know, this isn't a Muslim country, this isn't Syria, this isn't Afghanistan, this is Germany. 0.66

00:22:41.000 I don't think so.

00:22:57.000 Migrants, corporations, banks can come in and basically just have their way with you, because anybody that says, we're a nation, we want to assert our identity, we want to assert our interests, they say, whoa, well, remember slavery? 0.51

00:23:09.000 Remember the Hitler?

00:23:10.000 Remember Stalin?

00:23:11.000 Remember?

00:23:12.000 That's always how they browbeat a nation into submission, so.

00:23:15.000 And how do you combat things like racism, very clear racism, because whether, I don't know what you're going to say about that, but slavery,

00:23:24.000 How do you combat those ideas without fully embracing the guilt?

00:23:31.000 How do you balance that?

00:23:32.000 Because after the Civil War, you need to completely change the philosophy of the country.

00:23:37.000 You need to change the way that black people are viewed as property.

00:23:41.000 How do you balance that? 0.92

00:23:43.000 And then not have this guilt that fucks up immigration?

00:23:45.000 Because you're completely on the side of, oh, this guilt fucks up the police. 0.99

00:23:49.000 Bro, you can't have black people being treated like property. 0.99

00:23:53.000 You need a balance.

00:23:54.000 What's that balance look like to you?

00:23:56.000 Which I think is important because if you're gonna go into the future of politics, you're only looking at the country as a whole and immigration and all these topics, but you're excluding a big portion of the population.

00:24:10.000 Which is who?

00:24:10.000 Black people?

00:24:11.000 Yeah.

00:24:13.000 Well, I would say that it depends on the context.

00:24:16.000 I would probably be more in agreement with you, and Catholics historically were, 150 years ago when there were attitudes that were very negative towards black people in the country.

00:24:27.000 But I would say now, that's fundamentally different.

00:24:30.000 I don't think there is a very substantial racist element in America anymore.

00:24:36.000 And if there is, I think it's very marginal, and I think it's blown out of proportion.

00:24:41.000 And I say on my show, I make it a point to distinguish what I'm in favor of and what I'm against.

00:24:46.000 And here's what I'm in favor of.

00:24:48.000 I think that everybody should be treated, and I said this at my speech at AFPAC too, which is our big conference.

00:24:53.000 I said every person, regardless of their race, should be treated with respect, dignity, equal rights.

00:25:00.000 Um, and, and what I'm against is cruelty, prejudice, discrimination.

00:25:04.000 I would never say, oh, you're black, I'm gonna treat you differently, you're black, I'm gonna discriminate against you, I'm gonna be mean to you, I think differently about you. 0.99

00:25:13.000 But we've gotta get specific, because what they say is, you're racist. 0.97

00:25:17.000 And what does racist mean?

00:25:18.000 If you ask 50 people, you're gonna get 50 different answers.

00:25:21.000 Some people say that if you have too many white people in a given room, 1.00

00:25:24.000 It's about oppression and all that bullshit. 0.99

00:25:54.000 We need to start tearing down monuments and we're gonna change the names of parks. 0.98

00:25:59.000 In some cases by mobs, in some cases the government doesn't even do it.

00:26:02.000 Like during 2020, it was just people getting in the city and just knocking it down and throwing it in the river.

00:26:09.000 We can't have a country that's run by mob rule like that.

00:26:13.000 And certainly I don't think that who should have a statue should be dictated by the passions of a mob.

00:26:19.000 Yeah, and again, I understand that.

00:26:36.000 In terms of somebody like Robert E. Lee or Nathaniel Bedford Forrest, I think that's a better example.

00:26:40.000 Because Nathaniel Bedford Forrest, who was in the Ku Klux Klan, he's another one that they try to defend the statue.

00:26:46.000 And that one, I don't know.

00:26:47.000 It's like there's a gray area.

00:26:49.000 How does it make people feel?

00:26:50.000 That statue should be taken down, in my opinion.

00:26:54.000 That should not be up.

00:26:55.000 We should not celebrate these people.

00:26:56.000 The statue is celebrating these people.

00:26:59.000 I would say that it's it's tricky because and I say that as somebody who listen I'm not it's not like I'm somebody that would be totally welcome in that era I'm Italian and Irish and Catholic the Ku Klux Klan hated all those people it's tricky because

00:27:17.000 Once you start that process again, if you say, well, you're in the Ku Klux Klan, so obviously your statue's got to go.

00:27:24.000 Well, you fought for the Confederacy, so obviously your statue's got to go.

00:27:28.000 Well, George Washington owned slaves.

00:27:30.000 Are we really going to say, well, you fought for the side that owned slaves and you owned people?

00:27:35.000 And you're going to say that owning people is so much better than

00:27:39.000 Not owning people, but fighting to own people.

00:27:42.000 You know?

00:27:42.000 And so it's... The problem is it completely pulls the rug out from under our whole history.

00:27:47.000 Because, unfortunately, the world is built on slavery, genocide, war.

00:27:54.000 There's a difference between erasing history and then honoring...

00:28:00.000 The core philosophies of a Ku Klux Klan member are base and hatred.

00:28:23.000 So, if we don't support that and we don't celebrate that, then it should be taken down.

00:28:28.000 Was Thomas Jefferson's core philosophies pro-slavery?

00:28:31.000 No.

00:28:32.000 It was freedom of speech.

00:28:34.000 So we can keep that up.

00:28:35.000 Well, but see, Thomas Jefferson, although you're right, you should read some of the things he had to say about slavery. 0.79

00:28:42.000 None of the Founding Fathers believed that blacks and whites should live together in America on an equal basis.

00:28:48.000 I know that, I know that. 0.63

00:28:49.000 And even some of my favorite people like Malcolm X I really look up to, he thought the same things, that they shouldn't live together, but their core principles weren't based in that.

00:28:59.000 It was, though.

00:29:01.000 It was, though.

00:29:01.000 They did not believe.

00:29:03.000 Washington and Jefferson and even Lincoln.

00:29:05.000 Abraham Lincoln said, if I could win the Civil War without freeing a single slave, I would do that.

00:29:10.000 You know, so is Abraham Lincoln's core principle about having political equality for black people? 0.76

00:29:16.000 Or was it about holding the Union together under a strong central government?

00:29:20.000 I'm just trying to challenge maybe your preconceived notions about these people.

00:29:24.000 The point is that the past is filled with sins.

00:29:27.000 The past is filled with

00:29:29.000 With these kinds of attitudes and

00:29:31.000 And you could go back to the Bible and you'll find people slaughtering other nations and slaughtering other villages.

00:29:37.000 And again, where do you draw the line?

00:29:39.000 That's true, but shouldn't you also consider how people idolize these people today?

00:29:45.000 If you keep a KKK statue up, what does that do today?

00:29:49.000 That gives people an idol to look at who support the KKK.

00:29:53.000 If you look at the idea of how Abraham Lincoln is represented today, now I'm seeing how that's erasing history because

00:29:59.000 Yeah, maybe people misrepresent Abraham Lincoln if he didn't even care about slavery in the first place.

00:30:05.000 But you gotta realize that most people are not going to look at history correctly.

00:30:12.000 They have a different representation today, and maybe that's more important to look at how the Normies are going to look at these people rather than what they represented at that time.

00:30:21.000 If people think that Abraham Lincoln was

00:30:25.000 Pro-freedom of the slaves, then maybe we should let that go.

00:30:29.000 Maybe the preservation of history is not as important as you're making it out to be because just, if you're being realistic, most people are not gonna look back at it correctly.

00:30:38.000 History's always changing.

00:30:39.000 History's always written by the victor.

00:30:41.000 But the and here's the thing, though, is I'm not a southerner, and I'm I don't have any particular affinity for Robert E. Lee or for not a part.

00:30:50.000 I have a general affinity because I think that he's a great general.

00:30:53.000 So he's he has admirable traits in that way.

00:30:56.000 But for the people of the South, it means a lot to them.

00:30:59.000 And if you look at the history of the reconstruction.

00:31:03.000 A lot of these towns in the South, they cobbled together what meager resources they had.

00:31:07.000 Their entire nation was destroyed.

00:31:10.000 Their land was destroyed. 0.90

00:31:12.000 Like, the war happened in the South, not in the North, so all their wealth was destroyed, and then they were occupied militarily by the North for decades and by carpetbaggers.

00:31:21.000 And so a lot of these cities, they would cobble together their meager resources and build statues commemorating their brothers, commemorating their fallen, their heroes, their civic leaders, their ancestors.

00:31:32.000 And so, that is part of their identity, it's part of the fabric of who they are and what it means to be a southerner or an American to them.

00:31:40.000 And the point is, you can't find anybody before the year 2000 that isn't extremely problematic.

00:31:49.000 You could point a finger at any monument, Martin Luther King Jr., or Lincoln, or Washington, or Jefferson, and the same standards that you're applying to Nathan Bedford Forrest or Robert E. Lee,

00:32:01.000 They're somewhat arbitrary, because you could point the finger and say equally terrible things about Columbus, about Washington, about whoever.

00:32:08.000 And so the question is, are we going to look at Columbus and Washington and others and say, are they a product of their time?

00:32:14.000 Are they, you know, part of history?

00:32:17.000 We recognize that they're, you know, as everybody is, they're men in time and we're going to recognize their role in our history and their role in the fabric of our country.

00:32:25.000 Or are we going to have this totalizing view of, if you don't have the morality of the United Nations after 1991,

00:32:32.000 I don't think so.

00:32:51.000 Murder and war and slavery and and Again, if you point to me and say here's a group that's killing people or doing horrible things today I'd be the first to go out and say that's that's no good and that needs to go But taking down these statues.

00:33:05.000 They won't tell you that they want them all to go They start with Nathan Bedford Forrest and what they don't tell you is they hate all of Western civilization They want Columbus to go they want Washington to go they want it all to go and who do they want to build statues of pedophiles Marxists

00:33:20.000 Freaks.

00:33:20.000 They're their own problematic people.

00:33:22.000 So, you know, that's where it's not just about having a museum.

00:33:27.000 My point is that if you want to be successful in politics, part of the truth needs to be compromised.

00:33:35.000 That's an uncomfortable reality.

00:33:36.000 And you see how being as truthful as you are, you see like the restriction that you have.

00:33:43.000 So you're the most canceled person, like you're on a no fly list, everything like that.

00:33:48.000 If you don't compromise some of these beliefs, you just will never be successful in politics.

00:33:56.000 Some of these statues just need to be removed so that you can compromise for the normies, and so that you can make people feel better.

00:34:03.000 I know that you want to go completely down the truth, and you don't want to compromise history, and some of these people, everybody represents these bad things, but in order to be successful, and in order to win the popular vote, it's just never gonna work.

00:34:19.000 Well, you know, people have told me that a lot about the practicality of it.

00:34:23.000 And for right now, I see myself as sort of the second or the third wave here of people that have been trying to set the country on the right course for a long time.

00:34:32.000 And right now, people just need to know the truth.

00:34:35.000 People just need to wake up.

00:34:37.000 And I am less interested in... They won't.

00:34:41.000 They won't.

00:34:41.000 The vast majority of people won't.

00:34:43.000 So you need to wrap up the red pill in seven layers of ham to feed it to the vast... There's so many people in this country.

00:34:51.000 There's so many different races. 1.00

00:34:52.000 It's just never going to work like that.

00:34:54.000 Think about how many people you're alienating by fully sticking to this.

00:34:58.000 Just some things you can't do.

00:35:02.000 It's just not going to work.

00:35:03.000 And I understand that you don't want to compromise.

00:35:06.000 I relate to you on that level, but

00:35:08.000 You just have to and it's the mistakes that we've both made and that's why we're ending up on these alternative platforms.

00:35:15.000 Can't you admit that if we had compromised a little bit more and if we had watered it down for the vast majority of people then

00:35:23.000 What's more important would end up in the minds of people.

00:35:27.000 We can stick to what's really important and how I could really reach the level of people that I wanted to reach and you could probably reach the level in politics that you wanted to reach if you had compromised some of these uncomfortable truths.

00:35:39.000 No, and I think that's a very dangerous conceit because here's the thing, if you're

00:35:45.000 What is going on right now is not passive, it's active.

00:35:48.000 America is being ruined.

00:35:49.000 We have an elite that hates us, and we have an elite that is wrecking the country because they are putting their own best interest at the expense of the interest of the country.

00:35:58.000 They're doing what's good for them, not what's good for America. 0.97

00:36:01.000 They're corrupt.

00:36:02.000 And so, to me, it's a very dangerous idea that if we just played nice, and if we just, like you said, compromised, and softened the truth, and wrapped it up... Played nice completely, but just...

00:36:14.000 A little bit!

00:36:16.000 I don't regret anything that I did to get cancelled and end up on Rumble, but it would have been better for the truth if I had...

00:36:27.000 Maybe stream some of it on YouTube and then some of the other stuff on a different platform because ultimately having access to everybody is more valuable than being fully truthful.

00:36:38.000 That's part of the uncomfortable truth is that not everybody is ready to hear it.

00:36:44.000 Not everybody is going to and you need to compromise a little bit to be successful and to reach everybody that you could reach.

00:36:52.000 Because now think about how many people, every time somebody makes a documentary about me, they bring up how you're a Nazi, they bring up how you're a white supremacist, and then immediately a lot of people that would relate to you or could hear your message are alienated because they hear these words and they're turned off.

00:37:06.000 And a lot of people are just not ready to hear the truth.

00:37:09.000 And the amount of power that all the matrix platforms and the amount of brainwashing that people are hearing, it's just, you can't fight against that without compromising a little bit.

00:37:20.000 Unfortunately, it's unavoidable.

00:37:21.000 I agree with you that you've got to be strategic.

00:37:23.000 I agree with you that you've got to be tactful and you've got to have a concern about logistics and things like that.

00:37:28.000 But, and this is what I was trying to get at, you're going against the system.

00:37:33.000 The system is going to punish you.

00:37:35.000 It's unavoidable that if you're telling the truth in any capacity, they're going to try and strip that from you.

00:37:41.000 Your access to the platforms, your access to

00:37:44.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:38:04.000 Explicitly submit and bend the knee and say, I surrender to Zog, I surrender to Moloch, you know, I'm not a Groyper, I am not an anti-Semite, I am not those things. 0.96

00:38:15.000 And at a certain point there's this time for choosing where you gotta say, the pain box, the social backlash, the whatever that comes with confronting the system, it's baked into the cake. 0.63

00:38:26.000 It's our job to, well maybe not so much you, cause, and here's the thing, I always said this about you and Tate,

00:38:31.000 This isn't really your job, in the sense that I don't think you see yourself as a political actor, I think you see yourself as an entertainer, and to some extent a truth teller.

00:38:40.000 I mean, I'm a political guy.

00:38:42.000 And insofar as I'm a political guy, it's a political problem that we've got to push through censorship and media control and all these kinds of things.

00:38:51.000 And if it were so simple as just being tactful and just kind of playing it close to the chest, well, people have been doing that for a long time.

00:38:59.000 But we've got to be bold and tell the truth and and there are going to be there's going to be misunderstanding and there are going to be consequences but it's our job to push past that you know because you get the most flack when you're flying over the target.

00:39:11.000 We can't stop flying over the target because we get flack.

00:39:14.000 And I understand from your perspective

00:39:16.000 And I told you this.

00:39:17.000 When you got banned on YouTube, what did I say?

00:39:19.000 I said, don't have me on your show.

00:39:21.000 I said, you keep your platforms.

00:39:23.000 I said, you go on Twitch and you just play it as safe as possible.

00:39:27.000 I mean, I didn't tell you to go and be a martyr.

00:39:27.000 Right?

00:39:29.000 For doing nothing.

00:39:30.000 I got banned on Twitch for eating a salad. 1.00

00:39:32.000 Part of the compromise, and I realize this today because my first stream on Rumble, I was saying faggot. 1.00

00:39:37.000 I said faggot maybe like 50 times. 1.00

00:39:38.000 Faggot, faggot, faggot, faggot, faggot. 1.00

00:39:40.000 And then I started thinking about the long term. 1.00

00:39:42.000 So, what's more beneficial is having more people on Rumble, having more of the normies trickle into here, and wrapping in a little bit of ham. 0.99

00:39:49.000 And my chat started saying, faggot, faggot, I'm telling you, like, it's better to not say this word, so that more people, because, like, think about how many people are just gonna be alienated by that. 0.99

00:39:57.000 Think about how many people are just not gonna, so, that's a compromise. 1.00

00:40:01.000 That's the same compromise I could see in some of the statues.

00:40:05.000 Like, maybe,

00:40:07.000 Yes, it's not.

00:40:07.000 It's just a word.

00:40:08.000 It doesn't mean that much.

00:40:10.000 It doesn't mean I'm homophobic.

00:40:12.000 It's just a fun word to say.

00:40:14.000 But you've got to think long term.

00:40:17.000 And if I want more people to come to the Rumble, if I want to reach more people, it's like, okay, do I have to say this word?

00:40:22.000 That's the same thing as taking down a KKK statue.

00:40:27.000 Well, the problem is that the people that want to take down the KKK statue, I guarantee that the majority of people that want to see that statue go, they also want to see Robert E. Lee go, and I'm sure they want to see Columbus go, and probably half of them want to see Jefferson go.

00:40:42.000 So it's like, there's this conceit in politics where you make compromises to

00:40:48.000 Try to win over people that fundamentally disagree with you and never will agree with you and in doing so you'd sacrifice all the people that do agree with you because I guarantee you that all the people that mostly agree with me support the monuments being up and all the people that fundamentally disagree with me want the statue to come down.

00:41:05.000 So should I go out there in an effort to appeal to people that think America was founded by slave owners and there's a poison pill from the very beginning?

00:41:12.000 Should I make a compromise to win them over, which I never will, and in the process lose the support of the people that do agree with me?

00:41:20.000 People that say, oh, I can't believe you'd sell out American history, blah blah blah.

00:41:24.000 So, and I'm not trying to shut you down, because I agree with you.

00:41:27.000 Like, I'm not saying that you shouldn't be thoughtful about your approach.

00:41:31.000 I'm not saying that you shouldn't, you know,

00:41:35.000 We're good to go.

00:41:57.000 Uh, it's really, it works in a counterintuitive way.

00:42:00.000 That's how Republicans have always thought, is like, let's bend over backwards to win over these black voters, and they never win them over!

00:42:06.000 And in the process, they just lose their white voters, which are dutifully ready to show up and cast their vote.

00:42:12.000 And it's like, and that's just how it happens to break down for Republicans in particular.

00:42:16.000 And it's like, that's not to say that we shouldn't have a party that black people can be a part of, but it is to say, why are we creating a Platinum Plan and the First Step Act

00:42:25.000 If blacks aren't really even going to vote for us, and in the process we lose all the white people that voted for law and order, you know?

00:42:30.000 So it's... that's why I say it's tricky. 0.59

00:42:32.000 That's why I say it's not as simple as... Why can't you apply that same logic?

00:42:35.000 If you were telling me before I got my Twitch ban, you were saying, don't have me on, play it safe.

00:42:40.000 Why can't you apply that exact same logic to your political approach?

00:42:44.000 Because I think we're trying to do two different things.

00:42:47.000 You know, because me, my whole life was always sort of set up to be this way in a certain sense.

00:42:55.000 I'm anti-social.

00:42:56.000 I'm an eccentric person.

00:42:59.000 I'm an antagonist.

00:43:00.000 That's my personality.

00:43:02.000 And what I set out to do from the beginning was to be provocative.

00:43:06.000 And I knew this was coming.

00:43:07.000 I knew this was coming from day one.

00:43:08.000 And I knew that I could survive it and handle it and live with it.

00:43:11.000 And I think that you're somebody who, you know, you're more mainstream, you're more of a cultural figure.

00:43:17.000 And so somebody like you, does it make sense?

00:43:20.000 Is it the hill to die on that you want to defend little old me, you know, or a particular view?

00:43:25.000 It's a question of what you're trying to accomplish.

00:43:27.000 Yeah, probably not.

00:43:28.000 Yeah.

00:43:30.000 Yeah, it was good to talk to you, though.

00:43:32.000 I've been streaming for five hours.

00:43:33.000 I'm tired as hell.

00:43:35.000 Shout out to Cozy.

00:43:36.000 Thanks for this conversation.

00:43:37.000 I think this is good.

00:43:37.000 We should get more discussions like that.

00:43:39.000 Just don't be on Black People Time next time. 1.00

00:43:41.000 Yeah, I'm sorry about that.

00:43:43.000 That's racist.

00:43:44.000 You gotta watch your approach.

00:43:46.000 Alright, good talking to you, man.

00:43:49.000 See ya.

00:43:51.000 Alright.

00:43:52.000 Okay!

00:43:55.000 Well, there you go.

00:43:56.000 That was our conversation with Sneeko. 1.00

00:43:57.000 Just don't be on Black People Time next time. 1.00

00:44:00.000 Okay, I just pulled up my stream there on accident. 1.00

00:44:03.000 Alright!

00:44:03.000 Okay, well, that was different.

00:44:05.000 Let me just get a sip of water here.

00:44:10.000 All right.

00:44:11.000 Well, that was our conversation with Sneeko.

00:44:13.000 Good to have him on for a chat.

00:44:17.000 He's right.

00:44:18.000 He's calling me out for being late.

00:44:20.000 I had a bad day, okay?

00:44:21.000 I had a long day.

00:44:25.000 But it's true.

00:44:25.000 I should have been on time.

00:44:27.000 So, anyway.

00:44:28.000 Yeah, that was an interesting conversation.

00:44:31.000 People are saying L. No, no, no.

00:44:33.000 It's not an L. It's not an L. Listen, it's okay. 0.94

00:44:37.000 It's okay.

00:44:38.000 I prefer that. 1.00

00:44:40.000 You know, because he's honest, and if I were only his friend when he comes on and agrees with me, I would be an asshole. 0.99

00:44:49.000 You know? 0.99

00:44:50.000 If I was like, oh, you know, Sneko's only cool when he comes on and says, oh yeah, you're totally right about everything, I would be a total douchebag. 0.94

00:45:00.000 You know?

00:45:01.000 So... And for what it's worth, I get where he's coming from.

00:45:06.000 I get it.

00:45:07.000 And I think a lot of people feel similarly.

00:45:10.000 I think that what he said tonight is actually closer to maybe how your average mainstream person in America feels about those things, and maybe probably most black people.

00:45:25.000 So to hear that perspective, to hear his point of view, I don't think he's out of line.

00:45:30.000 I don't think he's wrong to say any of that.

00:45:31.000 I think it's an interesting conversation.

00:45:33.000 I think he's right.

00:45:35.000 To some extent.

00:45:37.000 But I do think you have to balance these different considerations.

00:45:40.000 Like I said, we've been having these kinds of conversations for years on the show.

00:45:44.000 When I went to Charlottesville, we were having this conversation about monuments and about that first wave.

00:45:49.000 Because there was that first wave back in 2017 when they were coming for all the monuments.

00:45:54.000 And then there was that second wave with George Floyd.

00:45:57.000 So this has been a cultural phenomenon for some time.

00:46:01.000 And I think actually it's maybe the more

00:46:06.000 Um, apparent?

00:46:10.000 I think it's maybe more apparent and it's maybe a little bit more obvious to say, oh well, he was in the KKK, of course we want to take a statue down.

00:46:17.000 And of course, I think we all understand what people mean by that.

00:46:21.000 I think we all understand when people say, we want to take down the statue of Nathaniel Bedford Forrest, I don't think anyone among us is going to say, among us, I don't think anyone among us is going to say, that's totally unreasonable, I have no idea why you're saying that.

00:46:34.000 Of course we get it.

00:46:36.000 Of course we get it.

00:46:37.000 Of course we understand the premise.

00:46:39.000 I think everybody understands that.

00:46:44.000 But you have to interrogate.

00:46:45.000 You have to go a little bit deeper.

00:46:46.000 And I think it is a little bit more counterintuitive.

00:46:49.000 And maybe, and this is why I'm trying to play devil's advocate here and give our side, is maybe it's a little bit more counterintuitive.

00:46:56.000 I don't know.

00:47:18.000 Why do they build ornate architecture?

00:47:21.000 Why do they build palaces? 0.96

00:47:22.000 Why do they build great train stations?

00:47:25.000 Why do we build the Statue of Liberty?

00:47:27.000 Why do we build the tallest building in the world?

00:47:29.000 Why do we have statues?

00:47:31.000 Why do we have holidays?

00:47:32.000 Why do we have heroes?

00:47:33.000 Why do we name our holidays after particular heroes?

00:47:36.000 These are questions that are actually interesting and it gets to the idea of what is a nation and what is our national identity?

00:47:43.000 What does it mean to be an American?

00:47:46.000 There are people that would say, well, the Confederacy took up arms against the United States.

00:47:50.000 It's anti-American. 0.68

00:47:52.000 And again, I think all of us would understand that premise.

00:47:56.000 I don't think, again, any one of us would say, oh, I totally don't understand that.

00:48:00.000 I totally don't understand where they're coming from.

00:48:04.000 You understand the argument.

00:48:05.000 You get where they're coming from.

00:48:07.000 If the Confederates took up arms against the sovereign federal government of the United States, which is the current government, then why would we support their battle flag?

00:48:16.000 And the question is, what does battle flag mean?

00:48:18.000 And what did it mean to them?

00:48:20.000 What did it mean to them then?

00:48:21.000 And what does it mean to them now?

00:48:24.000 And then you have to ask yourself about principles.

00:48:27.000 If the, if the standard, if the principle is that Robert E. Lee supported a political cause, a lost political cause that was against our current regime,

00:48:39.000 Does that mean that he's not an American?

00:48:41.000 Does that mean he's not a patriot?

00:48:42.000 He's not a part of American identity?

00:48:44.000 It begs the question, what is American identity?

00:48:47.000 And is American identity wrapped up in the particular regime?

00:48:51.000 Is it wrapped up in the particular flags and squabbles?

00:48:54.000 There have been a lot of civil conflicts in the history of the nations, in the history of the world.

00:48:59.000 There were Russian communists fighting Russian monarchists. 0.53

00:49:05.000 And a lot of the communists were Jews, for what it's worth, but a lot of them were Russians.

00:49:10.000 And would you say that some of the biggest communists in Russia were not real Russians?

00:49:18.000 I don't think you could say that.

00:49:21.000 Just the same that you couldn't say that the monarchists weren't Russians.

00:49:24.000 And that's why I look at Russia as the example. 0.58

00:49:27.000 Russia has found a way to assimilate all the sort of schizophrenic or contradictory aspects of its history into its identity.

00:49:35.000 And they're able to draw a continuous thread through all of it. 0.81

00:49:38.000 And that's why I use the example of Stalin. 0.50

00:49:40.000 Stalin was a brutal dictator who forced a famine that killed millions, and the collectivization of agriculture is what did that, and he stubbornly persisted in it, even though the results were disastrous from the outset.

00:49:57.000 And I think almost anybody would say that Stalin is in hell, that he was an atheist, that he died in the war.

00:50:04.000 Marxists really cared about Marxist theory.

00:50:08.000 But Russia has found a way to create a thread between Peter the Great, and Catherine the Great, and Nicholas II, through Stalin, through the others, through to the present day.

00:50:21.000 And what do they say about Stalin?

00:50:22.000 They say that he industrialized Russia.

00:50:25.000 He gave Russia the nuclear arsenal.

00:50:28.000 He defeated Hitler. 0.89

00:50:30.000 Because Germany, the rise of Germany, was a menace to the continent of Europe. 0.91

00:50:35.000 And I don't, I say that in a neutral way. 0.90

00:50:38.000 I say that in a neutral way that just speaks to the dynamic of rising German power on the continent.

00:50:46.000 The rise of Germany in the second and third wave of the Industrial Revolution completely reoriented the balance of power in Europe and threatened to destabilize a century of peace, which was established after the Napoleonic Wars. 0.64

00:51:00.000 And it posed a real threat to Russia, as we know, particularly Hitler's Germany.

00:51:07.000 And so I don't say he defeated the Nazis because the Nazis are, oh, they're like the boogeyman under the bed, but Russia and Germany have this historical rivalry.

00:51:18.000 And so Putin tells a story about Stalin that he brought Russia from a agricultural country to an industrial country, from a non-nuclear country to the preeminent nuclear superpower, and who defeated the age-old adversary of Russia. 0.54

00:51:36.000 And from a Russian perspective, those are all good things.

00:51:40.000 And of course the Russians know about communism.

00:51:42.000 Of course the Russians don't want to repeat communism.

00:51:44.000 Of course they understand better than we do.

00:51:48.000 But it was funny, I talked to a Russian journalist, I'm not going to say who, but I talked to a Russian journalist in Florida earlier this year and

00:51:59.000 And I said, what do you think about Joseph Stalin?

00:52:02.000 And she said, Joseph Stalin killed my family.

00:52:06.000 He took everything my grandparents had and he put them in prison.

00:52:11.000 And I'm like, oh, so you don't like Stalin?

00:52:13.000 And she goes, well, it's just complicated.

00:52:15.000 She goes, it's complicated. 1.00

00:52:17.000 Joseph Stalin put her fucking grandparents in the gulags and took all her shit, took all her grandparents' shit, and she said, well, it's complicated. 1.00

00:52:26.000 She said, 1.00

00:52:27.000 He punished my family, but he has this complicated legacy. 1.00

00:52:33.000 And that's what I like about Russia.

00:52:35.000 They see themselves as a family.

00:52:37.000 They still see a coherent national identity that they all participate in.

00:52:41.000 And they understand that history is messy and complicated and there are forces outside of the control of individuals.

00:52:50.000 And so do you apologize for Stalin for the rest of your life?

00:52:55.000 And do you focus in on the bad and say, well, Stalin was horrible, well, the historic sin of communism, and we're going to apologize to Africa, and we're going to apologize to the Middle East, and we're going to apologize to Central America and Asia?

00:53:08.000 Or do you recognize that these ideas and these ideologies are things that possess peoples and nations, and what matters are the peoples and nations more than the ideas, sometimes, and the particular flags or regimes or whatever?

00:53:23.000 And the Confederacy, then,

00:53:25.000 Represents not the cause of slavery, actually, to me.

00:53:30.000 Someone who's not a Southerner, by the way.

00:53:34.000 The flag, the battle flag of the Confederacy, and the memory of the Confederacy, as I'm sure any Southerner would tell you, and anyone who flies that flag would tell you, it's not about owning people.

00:53:45.000 It's not about the chattel slavery of Africans or blacks.

00:53:50.000 It is about their identity.

00:53:52.000 It is about their distinct

00:53:54.000 Cultural identity.

00:53:55.000 You could say they're distinct sub-national identity, which is unique and is distinct and has its own history and has its own way.

00:54:04.000 The agricultural society of the antebellum South is completely different than the North.

00:54:14.000 And who am I, as somebody again who my ancestors came here four or five generations ago from Italy and Ireland and Mexico, who am I to come in here through Ellis Island or through Texas and start finger wagging and saying, you're not a real American.

00:54:28.000 The people that fought and bled, the people that fought and bled.

00:54:34.000 In Tennessee, in Virginia, and all across the country over the course of the Civil War, the people that watered the soil with their blood and the blood of their fathers, the people that settled this land initially and fought the Indians and built the first settlements and that made a civilization here, and then they fought a civil conflict about the direction of that and what it was going to be like, it matters less the particulars of that struggle or the substance of that

00:55:04.000 Issue at the time, it matters more their distinct national identity.

00:55:11.000 That they were fighting.

00:55:13.000 And that they were fighting as Southerners, side by side, under that flag.

00:55:17.000 It's not my identity.

00:55:18.000 It's not my nation.

00:55:21.000 Before I went to Charlottesville, I had never been to that part of Virginia!

00:55:25.000 Before I went to Charlottesville, I think I had been to D.C.

00:55:28.000 one time in 8th grade.

00:55:30.000 And went to Arlington, Virginia on that trip.

00:55:33.000 So I don't, as far as I can recall, I don't think I ever had even been to Virginia before Charlottesville.

00:55:40.000 With the exception of a field trip in 8th grade and a college visit my senior year of high school.

00:55:48.000 So I show up to Charlottesville with the Robert E. Lee monument, the Robert E. Lee statue of a foreigner.

00:55:52.000 I've never been to North Carolina. 0.97

00:55:54.000 I've never been to South Carolina.

00:55:56.000 I'm not a southerner.

00:55:57.000 You all know that.

00:55:59.000 You all know that for better or for worse.

00:56:01.000 But in spite of that...

00:56:04.000 I will defend their identity.

00:56:06.000 I will defend their heritage.

00:56:07.000 I will stand up and speak out, even though it's not mine, and even though, as you know, I cannot relate to it.

00:56:14.000 I can't eat grits, and I can't do it, okay?

00:56:18.000 I can't ride a horse or wear the cowboy hat and do all that.

00:56:21.000 I can't do that.

00:56:22.000 I am not a farmer, as you know.

00:56:24.000 I'm not an outdoorsman.

00:56:25.000 I can't go hunting and fishing, and I'm a Catholic, not a Protestant.

00:56:29.000 In spite of this, 0.74

00:56:32.000 They are completely a part, obviously, of the American fabric, cannot remove them from the American fabric.

00:56:43.000 Their story, their history, their culture, their way of life, their heroes, their flag, their lost cause.

00:56:50.000 Sort of this quixotic lost cause, their struggle.

00:56:54.000 And to say that, well, they took arms against the federal government, well, who cares?

00:56:59.000 When all is said and done, the particular causes of those days wither and die away.

00:57:05.000 What remains is the blood, what remains is the flag, and the buildings, and the holidays, and the culture, and the memory, and those things.

00:57:13.000 And those are the things that are worth preserving as statues. 0.80

00:57:17.000 And honestly, I understand how black people might feel a certain way about that.

00:57:25.000 I think I understand that.

00:57:29.000 I can't fully understand though because I'm not black and it is important for white people to recognize that That we don't have that and I'm not listen. 1.00

00:57:38.000 I'm not trying to go faggot leftist mode here. 0.96

00:57:40.000 I'm really not but lately I've been trying to have a little bit of understanding because I've been talking to sneak go and I talked to these other guys and I've been talking to black people and I 0.95

00:57:53.000 Um, and for what it's worth, although I disagree with them fundamentally on a lot of things, and we come from very different walks of life, and although I'm not going to go full leftist mode about it, it is important, it is important, generally, generally, to listen to other people and to try to understand where they're coming from.

00:58:14.000 Now,

00:58:15.000 That doesn't mean that they're gonna get away with murder, literally.

00:58:20.000 That doesn't mean that we're gonna chalk up everything to, you just don't understand, you didn't grow up as a black man in America.

00:58:28.000 I'm not saying that that means that we can't have our own opinion on these things and we can't exercise reasonable judgment about what they're saying.

00:58:39.000 But, but, but, you know, put yourself in the shoes of a black person

00:58:45.000 Their ancestors were literally brought over here as slaves. 0.99

00:58:48.000 That kind of sucks, doesn't it? 0.97

00:58:51.000 And believe me, you've heard what I've said on the matter on this show for years. 0.99

00:58:57.000 I know, I know, I know.

00:58:59.000 We can't let the guilt over slavery hold us back. 0.63

00:59:02.000 And I know that the Jews ran the slave trade.

00:59:05.000 And I know that slavery actually wasn't even as cruel as people make it out to be.

00:59:11.000 You know, when you watch this stuff like 12 Years a Slave, it totally ignores the reality that most of the institution of slavery was actually somewhat magnanimous, was actually somewhat benevolent.

00:59:26.000 And if you look at the

00:59:28.000 People in the South and their slaves. 0.99

00:59:30.000 It doesn't excuse the fact that they owned people. 0.91

00:59:33.000 I don't think that's okay. 0.61

00:59:35.000 That they owned people on the basis of them being black and they were designated in a legal category as second class or not human.

00:59:42.000 I don't think that's okay, obviously.

00:59:45.000 But the idea that this was a relationship that was based on malice or based on cruelty or anything like that, I think that flies in the face of what slavery really was.

00:59:58.000 But nevertheless, in spite of all that, how does it feel then to be a black person and your story in America is you were brought here as a slave, and your ancestors were literally owned by white people, and we can debate about the historical record about the KKK and these kinds of things, and I think it's a little bit more complicated than most people understand actually.

01:00:23.000 Again, I say that not as somebody that would support racial killing or racial violence.

01:00:31.000 I'm obviously against that.

01:00:35.000 But there's sort of a complicated history there with Reconstruction and the particular political situation between the end of the Civil War and the beginning of the 20th century.

01:00:45.000 Without getting into the weeds on all of that, the point is,

01:00:51.000 We can be reasonable and we can be rational and we can understand the facts while also being empathetic to how other people feel.

01:00:58.000 The question though is, are we going to ruin our country?

01:01:03.000 Are we going to, are we going to fundamentally destroy the monuments of some people so that other people can feel better?

01:01:14.000 And maybe the part that I agree with with Sneko on is that there should be some kind of a compromise.

01:01:22.000 I think that some kind of a compromise is okay, but I would be on the side of, I would be against destroying monuments.

01:01:32.000 The compromise for me would be, you want to create a monument to Frederick Douglass?

01:01:38.000 Then fine.

01:01:39.000 You want to create a monument to Martin Luther King Jr.?

01:01:43.000 Then fine.

01:01:43.000 You want to create a monument to Malcolm X?

01:01:47.000 Then okay.

01:01:49.000 That would be, rather than, let's tear down the statues of all the transgressors, which we'd tear down all of them, I would say if there's a give on the other side, then maybe you say, alright, let them have their Malcolm X statue, let them have, because I wouldn't be in favor of an MLK statue, I wouldn't like that, but they would.

01:02:10.000 So maybe that's the compromise, I don't know.

01:02:14.000 People are saying it's so over.

01:02:16.000 No, it's so over.

01:02:17.000 It goes back to what is, uh, you know, what do we really believe?

01:02:29.000 Because people say, well, they never compromise and see that that's the kind of mentality that I don't really like this reflexive and it's tricky.

01:02:41.000 Because Sneko, I can tell, is a good guy, who means well, and he is sincere.

01:02:47.000 And for a guy like Sneko, I would say, yeah, you're obviously arguing in good faith, and I can meet you halfway, and I'm empathetic.

01:02:56.000 It's tough, because he's a friend of mine.

01:02:58.000 And so when he says that, I take what he says seriously, and I listen to what he says, and I don't agree with it.

01:03:05.000 But I say, hey, well, he's my friend, and I do have respect for him, and he's an American.

01:03:11.000 I think he's patriotic.

01:03:15.000 So it's hard for me to just slam the door and say, nope!

01:03:21.000 Nope!

01:03:21.000 No, you're just wrong.

01:03:22.000 You just don't get it.

01:03:23.000 No, we're keeping the monument.

01:03:25.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:03:26.000 But on the contrary, you do have all these people.

01:03:29.000 You do have a lot of people that are not good faith.

01:03:31.000 You do have a lot of, and that's what I was trying to spell out.

01:03:34.000 Is that you have a lot of people that are bad faith.

01:03:37.000 That they want to see all the monuments go. 0.99

01:03:38.000 They hate white people. 1.00

01:03:40.000 They hate America. 1.00

01:03:41.000 They hate our history.

01:03:42.000 They don't just hate Nathan Bedford Forrest.

01:03:44.000 They don't just hate the KKK.

01:03:46.000 They hate George Washington.

01:03:47.000 They hate Lincoln.

01:03:48.000 They hate Nixon.

01:03:49.000 They hate Trump. 0.91

01:03:51.000 They hate me. 0.51

01:03:52.000 They probably hate you, you know?

01:03:54.000 And so it's not so so that makes it tricky because

01:04:00.000 Because there is a side that doesn't want to compromise and that's probably the vocal and maybe even the dominant position on the other side is they want all the monuments to go and they're willing to do it outside the law.

01:04:12.000 They're willing to go out there and just topple it with a lynch mob and kill cops and harass white people on the street as they did during BLM. 0.52

01:04:24.000 And so when you look at it like that, you're like, hell no, we're not taking any monuments down. 0.93

01:04:28.000 What are you talking about?

01:04:29.000 But then you do get people that are well-meaning, I think, who are arguing in good faith, who, you know, it probably does offend their conscience to some extent, and they can't get over slavery and these kinds of things because it's deeply offensive to them.

01:04:48.000 So that's where it becomes a tricky issue.

01:04:50.000 Now the idea about the political viability of it, I obviously disagree.

01:04:54.000 I obviously don't see the argument that we should take the monuments down.

01:04:59.000 And in my ideal America, there wouldn't be monuments to MLK, but there would be to Robert E. Lee.

01:05:04.000 Full disclosure.

01:05:07.000 The question concerning political feasibility, now that I just totally disagree with.

01:05:11.000 That I'm just totally against.

01:05:13.000 I think that

01:05:15.000 And I've said this a lot lately on the show.

01:05:19.000 I think it's basically gaslighting to say that, you know, you can't win if you tell the truth.

01:05:25.000 If you tell the truth, you're gonna lose. 1.00

01:05:27.000 You gotta couch it, you gotta hide it, you gotta bury it in irony, because people are stupid. 1.00

01:05:31.000 It's like, well, it's because people are stupid that you gotta tell them the whole truth. 1.00

01:05:37.000 Believe me. 1.00

01:05:38.000 You think you know what average IQ is?

01:05:40.000 You don't.

01:05:42.000 Everybody who watches this show maybe thinks that they're around average or a little bit above average.

01:05:49.000 But if you're watching this show, if you're really interested in politics, if you're interested in deep politics, you're probably not average IQ.

01:05:57.000 You want to see average IQ and people that cluster around average IQ?

01:06:01.000 Go to a YouTube comment section.

01:06:03.000 Watch an advertisement on TV and realize that an average IQ person is going to find it funny.

01:06:10.000 Watch a GEICO commercial and realize that your average IQ person is going to say, that guy got hit in the head with a coconut!

01:06:18.000 That's your average IQ.

01:06:21.000 So on the question of the monuments, I actually do think it's a little bit tricky because I'm not a southerner and I'm not black, so I really don't have a dog in that fight.

01:06:31.000 I'm an American. 0.61

01:06:34.000 And as somebody that's neither a southerner nor black, I would say, why don't we just have black monuments and southerner monuments?

01:06:41.000 And we can have Columbus too, and we can have all the monuments of all the constituent peoples in America, so long as they're not totally against what we believe.

01:06:51.000 But on the question of that's going to hold you back from politics, my mom tells me this.

01:06:57.000 You know, a lot of people tell me this.

01:06:59.000 And frankly, in no disrespect, but it's people that haven't been doing this for as long as I have and haven't been in it.

01:07:06.000 I've lived it.

01:07:07.000 Okay, now I'm not black and I'm not a southerner, but I am a political dissident.

01:07:12.000 And maybe more so than anybody.

01:07:15.000 And I've been doing this for... I've survived a lot longer than other people.

01:07:19.000 I survived longer than Richard Spencer.

01:07:21.000 I survived longer than all the big names from 2017.

01:07:24.000 I made it out, and they didn't, as dissidents.

01:07:28.000 And I know all the big ones, too, and I have all their respect.

01:07:32.000 So I do know what I'm talking about here, and this is my wheelhouse, and I can give you an expert testimony on this.

01:07:40.000 And I will say with all due respect,

01:07:43.000 That people that say that you've just got to compromise, I think they just don't know what they're talking about.

01:07:50.000 And it's counterintuitive, and it's probably not apparent from the outside looking in, but as somebody that has been through it, and went to Charlottesville, and lived through that, and lived through that response.

01:08:02.000 And for what it's worth, Sneko's gotten some pushback, but we're talking about he lost a YouTube channel.

01:08:07.000 And Rumble existed!

01:08:08.000 And God bless!

01:08:09.000 Good for him, I'm glad!

01:08:11.000 He got banned from YouTube and God bless, he lives in a time when Rumble is just right there for him to stream on right after.

01:08:17.000 That didn't exist when I got banned from YouTube.

01:08:19.000 There was no Rumble, there was no Odyssey, there was no Cozy, there was nothing!

01:08:24.000 There was DLive, which was... totally not the same.

01:08:30.000 Um, and again, I'm not trying to say that to undermine him, I'm not trying to say that to be a dick, but I'm saying...

01:08:39.000 But I am saying listen up now.

01:08:40.000 Now listen up because this is my lived experience.

01:08:44.000 I've been a canceled guy for many years.

01:08:47.000 I've seen a lot of it.

01:08:49.000 And I've known the people involved.

01:08:52.000 I've been in it on the platforms, in the movement.

01:08:56.000 I've known people in the administration.

01:08:57.000 I've known people in the furthest parts of the dissonant right.

01:09:00.000 I've been to the conferences.

01:09:02.000 I know all the big names.

01:09:03.000 I talk to them all the time.

01:09:04.000 So I know what I speak here.

01:09:07.000 And I will tell you that the conceit that if you just moderate your views that you'll go farther, it's one of the biggest misconceptions.

01:09:17.000 And I understand why people think that.

01:09:19.000 I totally get it.

01:09:20.000 I thought that way once, too, at the very beginning.

01:09:25.000 But as somebody that is extremely successful in this space, as somebody that has survived and has been able to carry over a large audience to a dissident platform, and build a dissident platform, and build a conference, and probably the most successful dissident in America who is not compromised, I will tell you that it is a total misconception that if you just didn't say this, if you just didn't say it like that, then you could avoid the worst of the consequences.

01:09:53.000 It doesn't work like that.

01:09:57.000 And you look at all the... It doesn't matter how big or small.

01:09:59.000 It doesn't matter what walk of life they come from.

01:10:02.000 You can say that about anything.

01:10:04.000 If only Kanye didn't say that thing about George Floyd during that interview.

01:10:08.000 If only he didn't say Jewish media.

01:10:10.000 If only he didn't say slavery was a choice.

01:10:12.000 If only he didn't wear the MAGA hat.

01:10:14.000 Then what? 0.98

01:10:16.000 If only Trump didn't say illegals are rapists. 0.99

01:10:19.000 If only he didn't call for a Muslim ban. 1.00

01:10:21.000 If only he didn't say grab him by the pussy. 1.00

01:10:22.000 If only he didn't say shithole country. 1.00

01:10:24.000 If only he didn't... Then he'd be fine.

01:10:27.000 If only Alex Jones didn't do Sandy Hook.

01:10:29.000 If only he didn't... debate David Duke.

01:10:33.000 If only Tucker Carlson didn't make those comments on the shock jock show.

01:10:36.000 If only Matt Walsh never said that, uh, 16 year olds, you know, it's not, you know, that's not the end of the world or whatever he said about that.

01:10:46.000 You could say that about anybody.

01:10:47.000 You could say that about literally anybody.

01:10:50.000 If only they didn't go here, say this, associate with this one.

01:10:54.000 And it's like Kanye said, who invented cancel culture? 1.00

01:10:57.000 The Jews.

01:10:59.000 Well, that's not what he said.

01:11:00.000 He said, who do you think invented cancel culture?

01:11:01.000 And the implied answer was Jews. 1.00

01:11:05.000 They run the media. 1.00

01:11:06.000 They control the ADL.

01:11:08.000 They run Hollywood, okay.

01:11:10.000 They run the financial sector.

01:11:12.000 The idea that you're gonna pull a fast one, the idea that you're gonna have access to their system while undermining it in a really clever way, it's been tried before. 0.98

01:11:24.000 But what happens is fundamentally they draw a line and they say, are you our bitch or are you against us? 0.99

01:11:30.000 And I'm not willing to say I'm a bitch. 1.00

01:11:33.000 That's a difference. 0.98

01:11:35.000 You can create this calculated ambiguity, right?

01:11:42.000 Which is to say you create this air of uncertainty about what your real views are.

01:11:46.000 You couch your real message in layers of ham.

01:11:49.000 You obfuscate it.

01:11:50.000 You obscure your message.

01:11:52.000 I've heard that before.

01:11:54.000 But eventually what they'll do is they'll draw a line.

01:11:56.000 They'll draw a firm, fine line and they'll say, are you with us or are you against us?

01:12:02.000 And I will tell you a hundred thousand percent, everybody that's in the system has to get on their knees at some point and swear their loyalty. 0.80

01:12:12.000 Everybody's got to bitch out. 1.00

01:12:14.000 Everybody that's not punished. 1.00

01:12:18.000 And it will happen to them. 0.95

01:12:19.000 If it hasn't happened already, we'll have to bitch straight up. 1.00

01:12:25.000 This idea that you can maintain that for a long time while telling the truth,

01:12:31.000 And your audience understands what you're saying, eventually they're going to yank the leash. 1.00

01:12:38.000 Because look, again, people are stupid. 1.00

01:12:41.000 You can't be very subtle with what you say. 1.00

01:12:45.000 And so, you cannot say something that your audience is going to hear that the Jews and the elites are not going to hear. 0.82

01:12:53.000 And when they hear it, they're not going to like it.

01:12:55.000 They're going to want you to lose your platform.

01:12:59.000 So this idea that you can maintain this game forever, where you're your dog whistling, you're maintaining this coy message, but also you're down low or whatever, doesn't work.

01:13:10.000 And they don't like that.

01:13:11.000 Eventually they yank the leash.

01:13:15.000 People are saying, El, what's the El for?

01:13:20.000 Press L if you're loyal to Nick.

01:13:21.000 Okay.

01:13:22.000 I thought you were saying L to me. 1.00

01:13:24.000 Eventually, they yank the leash and they say, are you our bitch or are you not? 1.00

01:13:28.000 And people say, yes, yes I am. 0.99

01:13:30.000 And take a look at Ye. 0.84

01:13:31.000 Ye's going off on the Jewish media and everybody that has a job in Khan Inc. 0.71

01:13:36.000 can't talk about it.

01:13:37.000 They can't.

01:13:38.000 Candace Owens can't have him on her show.

01:13:42.000 Now how effective can she be? 1.00

01:13:43.000 This is an opportunity.

01:13:45.000 This is a world historical moment.

01:13:47.000 An opportunity when we can wake people up. 0.67

01:13:50.000 When black people really are waking up on this.

01:13:52.000 And other people too.

01:13:53.000 But specifically black people because Ye is speaking their language here.

01:13:58.000 And Candace Owens could be at the front lines talking about Jewish power, but she works for Ben Shapiro. 0.67

01:14:03.000 And I like Candace Owens! 0.88

01:14:04.000 I think she's courageous.

01:14:05.000 I think she's brave.

01:14:08.000 But she works at Daily Wire, and we know the restrictions that comes with, and so she can't be fully in defense. 1.00

01:14:14.000 When Ye got his deal canceled by Adidas, she said, well, Adidas can cancel whoever they want, but they better pay him.

01:14:20.000 What?

01:14:21.000 They can cancel whoever they want? 1.00

01:14:23.000 No, they fucking can't. 1.00

01:14:24.000 That's a totally horrible society. 1.00

01:14:26.000 They didn't cancel them, the ADL canceled them.

01:14:30.000 And I know she knows that.

01:14:32.000 And again, I think she's more courageous than most, and I like her.

01:14:36.000 We know that on some level she can't really fight side-by-side as a soldier of Ye because of who her boss is.

01:14:46.000 And that just goes back to the Yank the Leash.

01:14:52.000 Now, some people can do that, and I think it's a real debate.

01:14:57.000 As always, in any political movement, you always have that debate about tactics, about how pure, how extreme, what are the tactics?

01:15:05.000 You always have that debate.

01:15:06.000 They have that debate in the Middle East, they have that debate in Russia, they have that debate everywhere in the world.

01:15:12.000 Where you've got politics and you've got sides.

01:15:15.000 You've got people in either side saying that we should be more explicit or more implicit.

01:15:20.000 We should be more aggressive.

01:15:21.000 We should be more conservative.

01:15:23.000 We should use more extreme tactics.

01:15:25.000 We should not use extreme tactics.

01:15:28.000 If we do certain things, it's going to create an equal response.

01:15:31.000 If we don't do things, we're not going to advance.

01:15:34.000 That's always a debate.

01:15:36.000 I'm a radical.

01:15:37.000 I'm an extremist, okay?

01:15:38.000 I like that.

01:15:41.000 I like that, uh, you ever see that movie, the Star Wars movie, Rogue One?

01:15:45.000 And I don't like that movie, but I really like the character that's played by, uh, what's his name?

01:15:53.000 Who's that black guy?

01:15:56.000 I forget his name, the actor.

01:15:59.000 But he plays Saw Gerrera.

01:16:02.000 And I remember on Star Wars they go, Saw Gerrera, he's a terrorist!

01:16:06.000 He's an extremist! 0.98

01:16:07.000 He's a radical! 0.80

01:16:07.000 And I like to think of myself as that! 0.80

01:16:10.000 I like, not like I'm a terrorist, but I like to think of myself as Saw Gerrera.

01:16:15.000 Where I'm like, too radical for the rebels.

01:16:17.000 I'm too radical for the rebel alliance.

01:16:20.000 Boyega, no, Forrest Whitaker, that's right.

01:16:23.000 With the weird eye.

01:16:27.000 I like to think of myself as the guy where even the rebels are like, he's an extremist!

01:16:33.000 And they go to my cave dwelling with my loyalists and I've got my robot suit.

01:16:41.000 I like to think of myself like that.

01:16:44.000 So, I'm like Saw Gerrera.

01:16:48.000 That's who I really identify with.

01:16:51.000 And anyway, I haven't seen Clone Wars or Rebels, so I don't know the whole lore.

01:16:56.000 I only know I'm from Rogue One and from the new show, Andor.

01:17:03.000 But in any case, I definitely believe that more aggressive tactics are called for right now.

01:17:11.000 And that you have to face the pain box.

01:17:13.000 You have to face the social repercussions.

01:17:16.000 Yeah, I will be misunderstood.

01:17:18.000 Yeah, a lot of people aren't going to get it.

01:17:19.000 But you know what?

01:17:20.000 A lot of people are.

01:17:22.000 And if I can inspire

01:17:24.000 Intelligent people.

01:17:25.000 If I can inspire thousands of intelligent young men to get involved and be more clean-cut than me, then I'll have done my job.

01:17:34.000 I don't see it as my job to be the sanitized functionary that is going to actualize this on the policy level every day.

01:17:44.000 I don't see... I see myself as the icebreaker.

01:17:48.000 I see myself as the giant ship.

01:17:50.000 The giant, unstoppable, ice-breaking ship that breaks the ice.

01:17:57.000 Okay?

01:17:57.000 That smashes through the ice.

01:17:59.000 That allows the other ships to go through.

01:20:51.000 Okay, let me just take a look here.

01:21:05.000 All right, I think I'm back.

01:21:07.000 Sheesh.

01:21:11.000 Let me see.

01:21:11.000 We good?

01:21:12.000 All right.

01:21:15.000 Oh man, it just gets better and better, man.

01:21:21.000 I had such a long day today, too.

01:21:23.000 You know, I didn't sleep last night and I had these service guys coming over to do work on this thing at 8 a.m.

01:21:36.000 They said the window was 8 a.m.

01:21:37.000 to 12 p.m.

01:21:40.000 Okay, so I finished my show last night at like 2 or 3.

01:21:44.000 I said, I'm not going to be able to wake up at 7 to get the call if they show up at 8.

01:21:48.000 So I said, I'll just stay up.

01:21:50.000 So I stayed up.

01:21:52.000 I waited 8, 9, 10, 11, 12.

01:21:54.000 The window is 8 to 12.

01:21:58.000 They were supposed to be here for 2 hours.

01:22:00.000 Well, they get here at 1245.

01:22:06.000 And again, I'm thinking they're gonna be here for two hours.

01:22:09.000 They leave at 7 o'clock!

01:22:12.000 They were here for six and a half hours!

01:22:16.000 I have not eaten one thing since 7 a.m.

01:22:19.000 this morning.

01:22:21.000 And I haven't slept since yesterday.

01:22:23.000 So, so they wrapped up and I still had a few more things to do.

01:22:29.000 And then I slept for like two hours and I woke up at 11. 0.82

01:22:34.000 And then I yelled that, oh, you're on colored person time. 0.92

01:22:37.000 I know! 0.94

01:22:38.000 I didn't want to be late tonight, but I had a long-ass day.

01:22:41.000 That's why I missed the Yoba stream.

01:22:43.000 Because they're drilling and they're doing stuff, and I gotta be here and it's loud.

01:22:48.000 So... Ugh, such a long day.

01:22:51.000 And then my internet. 0.98

01:22:55.000 And then my fucking internet goes out at the very end. 0.98

01:22:57.000 And I haven't even eaten anything. 0.98

01:22:58.000 Oh, I've taken a few sips of this and I haven't eaten since, uh...

01:23:03.000 I haven't eaten in 17 hours.

01:23:09.000 So anyway, um...

01:23:12.000 So I see my role as different.

01:23:14.000 There are plenty of people that are playing it safe.

01:23:16.000 There are Tucker Carlson's out there.

01:23:18.000 That already exists.

01:23:19.000 There already are people that are giving a fraction of the right message and so on.

01:23:25.000 My job is, even if it's just to wake people like Sneako up, that's what they never understand.

01:23:29.000 They never understand my impact. 0.98

01:23:32.000 I always get this, I will wake somebody up, you know, or people like me, and they get it, and then they'll go, oh, but other people are, I get it, but other people are too dumb to get it. 0.97

01:23:42.000 So you gotta dumb it down for all those other people? 0.98

01:23:44.000 It's like, but you get it!

01:23:45.000 But you get it!

01:23:46.000 If you get it, clearly something- I did something right.

01:23:49.000 You know, thousands and thousands and thousands of people will get it, and then they'll say, well, but all these other people aren't gonna get it.

01:23:56.000 It's like, well, you're- not everyone's gonna like you.

01:24:00.000 But the goal is that you win people over, and if you can influence influencers, then somebody else is gonna say it in the right way.

01:24:07.000 I can only be me.

01:24:09.000 I can only live authentically.

01:24:12.000 Okay?

01:24:14.000 Listen, I'm smart.

01:24:17.000 I'm not that clever.

01:24:18.000 I can't put a performance on every day.

01:24:22.000 I'm not an actor.

01:24:23.000 I'm a real human being. 0.88

01:24:25.000 And I know that people might say, oh, that's cheesy or that's naive or foolish, but it's just true.

01:24:31.000 I'm not that guy. 1.00

01:24:33.000 If I were that guy, I'd be a fucking congressman. 0.99

01:24:35.000 I'd be on Fox News. 1.00

01:24:36.000 I'd be in Turning Point.

01:24:38.000 Whatever.

01:24:39.000 Shucking and jiving in the big house for the man.

01:24:42.000 But that's not me.

01:24:43.000 That's not on my heart.

01:24:45.000 I can't do it.

01:24:45.000 To be that guy.

01:24:47.000 I'm not an actor.

01:24:48.000 I loathe insincerity.

01:24:50.000 I loathe... You know, I can't do this show the way that I do it if I'm holding something back.

01:24:59.000 You know?

01:25:01.000 The idea that I could go live every night and spill my guts to you and tell you about my eccentricities and make the risky jokes that I do or other jokes and give you this political commentary and these higher ideas and my feelings about God or about the world, I couldn't do that if I was not an open,

01:25:23.000 If I was not an open book, wearing my heart on my sleeve, if I wasn't a real human being.

01:25:27.000 The idea that I could just flip a switch and just sort of just sand it down around the edges and present something sanitized and totally corporate and people go, well I'm not saying to do that.

01:25:38.000 It's like, well you kind of are.

01:25:40.000 You kind of are.

01:25:42.000 I can't focus on making people happy and focus on

01:25:47.000 Being a certain persona and be me!

01:25:49.000 I can't do both!

01:25:51.000 I can either focus on expression, I can either focus on authentic expression and express myself as authentically and precisely and in the most artistic way possible, but I can't do that if I'm holding something back.

01:26:07.000 I can't do that if I'm withholding something and saying, well, but I'm not going there, but I'm lying to you, but I'm really whatever.

01:26:19.000 So, that's not who I am.

01:26:21.000 Some people can do that.

01:26:22.000 Some people, that's their strong suit.

01:26:25.000 That's not my temperament.

01:26:26.000 That's not my personality.

01:26:28.000 I gotta play to my strengths.

01:26:29.000 And what's my strength?

01:26:31.000 I'm the Nutcracker.

01:26:32.000 I'm the Nutbuster.

01:26:33.000 Okay?

01:26:33.000 I'm the Nutcracker.

01:26:35.000 I'm the Ballbreaker.

01:26:36.000 I'm the Ballbuster.

01:26:37.000 The Nutbuster.

01:26:38.000 Okay? 0.99

01:26:40.000 I'm that nigga, and it's my job to come on here tough and strong and heavy and provocative and fucking loud and bombastic. 0.99

01:26:49.000 That's who I am. 0.95

01:26:52.000 And it's not going to be for everybody, and yeah, it's maybe not even going to be for most people.

01:26:58.000 But the hope is that it's going to be the song, it's going to be the prophetic song that is going to inspire maybe the people that can do that, that are a little bit more

01:27:10.000 I never set out to be the leader of anything.

01:27:15.000 I only set out to tell the truth.

01:27:29.000 I set out to correct a record and say there's a big part of the story that everybody's missing and people can do with that information what they want.

01:27:37.000 The style is provocative, it's punchy, because it's interesting to me.

01:27:43.000 It is a little edgy and it is spicy, you know, because to me that's flavorful.

01:27:50.000 I'm not... I could go on and I could do the NPR thing, believe me, I'm capable of it.

01:27:55.000 It's boring to me.

01:27:57.000 I like it funny.

01:27:58.000 I like it interesting.

01:27:59.000 I like it real.

01:28:00.000 I like it raw.

01:28:01.000 I like it exciting.

01:28:03.000 And that's my style.

01:28:04.000 And the substance of it is the truth.

01:28:07.000 And I can cater to a particular audience like on No Jumper or whatever else.

01:28:13.000 I'm perfectly capable of being charitable in a particular conversation, but as far as my show, it's a project.

01:28:20.000 It's a project of self-expression, so... Anyway, so that's that.

01:28:24.000 I guess we'll move on to take a look at our Super Chats.

01:28:26.000 That's, uh... You know, I don't really have time to cover anything else here, so we're gonna move on.

01:28:32.000 We'll take a look at our Super Chats and see what you have to say about the conversation.

01:28:37.000 But, um...

01:28:42.000 But yeah, I thought it was an interesting conversation, but um... Yeah, I obviously disagree.

01:28:50.000 I obviously disagree, but that's okay.

01:28:52.000 You know?

01:28:54.000 And like I said at the beginning, it's a sign that we are friends, I think, and that we respect each other, that we can disagree.

01:29:04.000 And, you know, and I'm not trying to bludge.

01:29:06.000 I'm not trying to beat him down and say, well, actually, I'm just trying to tell him my, cause you know, he was kind of asking me some tough questions.

01:29:13.000 He was kind of probing me a little bit, which I'm fine with.

01:29:15.000 I'm a big boy.

01:29:16.000 I've been doing this for six years.

01:29:18.000 Of course, I've, you know, I've got answers for it, but I'm not trying to beat him down and say, actually, I'm right.

01:29:23.000 I'm right.

01:29:24.000 I'm trying to listen.

01:29:24.000 I'm trying to see where he's coming from.

01:29:27.000 Um, and I do disagree.

01:29:29.000 And, and what I would say is that it seems like,

01:29:33.000 You know, maybe it's getting to him a little bit, the censorship. 0.52

01:29:37.000 And people are talking trash about him, and I get it.

01:29:39.000 It's a very difficult thing.

01:29:40.000 I went through it too. 0.99

01:29:42.000 And, um, you know, there was this big nasty video that some asshole just made about him, calling him, saying that I was using him and I'm this evil guy. 0.99

01:29:51.000 And, and it was his big demise. 0.99

01:29:55.000 And I, I, I get it.

01:29:56.000 That's like psychological warfare, man.

01:29:58.000 It's not fun.

01:29:59.000 It's not pleasant, it's not easy, and so, I get it, you know, I've been there.

01:30:05.000 To lose all your platforms in a few months, to go from being the fan favorite to being attacked relentlessly like that, it sucks.

01:30:14.000 And I told them this, I said, I told them, I told them by text, because you know, people are always telling me, you know, you're reckless or whatever.

01:30:22.000 And I'm not gonna spill the beans on our private conversations, but my advice to him, even on the stream when he started to get censored, I said, don't die on this hill.

01:30:32.000 I said, you're an entertainment streamer.

01:30:35.000 Just don't talk about this stuff.

01:30:37.000 You don't need to.

01:30:37.000 That's my, I'm doing that.

01:30:39.000 That's my job.

01:30:40.000 I already exist.

01:30:42.000 Your job is to be funny.

01:30:43.000 Your job is to be entertaining.

01:30:46.000 And, and to the extent that, you know, you're going to wake people up on, on a cultural level, like Andrew Tate did to some extent.

01:30:54.000 Um, you know, but by all means, but, you know, but you're not doing yourself or anybody else.

01:31:01.000 In other words,

01:31:03.000 Nobody expects you, nobody would say that you have an obligation to go and sabotage your own platform and get censored on everything, you know, because you want to talk about conspiracy theories this week.

01:31:17.000 That's not, not everybody is going to do that, you know, so.

01:31:23.000 So I told him when all that was going on, I said, I said, play it safe.

01:31:27.000 Don't violate the TOS.

01:31:28.000 I said, you should delete your stream with me.

01:31:30.000 You should probably just delete all your streams.

01:31:33.000 Don't lose your YouTube.

01:31:34.000 It's like your biggest asset.

01:31:35.000 But you know, I told him to be, I said, he said, you know, I don't really want to talk to you on stream anymore.

01:31:40.000 I said, and you shouldn't.

01:31:41.000 I said, stay as far away from me as you can, because it's going to cause problems for you, whatever.

01:31:49.000 So I mean, I get it.

01:31:50.000 I get it.

01:31:50.000 And I understand maybe he's having second thoughts or maybe he's questioning.

01:31:55.000 You know, I get it.

01:31:56.000 He's taken a look back at the past couple months and he's thinking about it critically.

01:32:01.000 He's thinking, who really is this Nick guy?

01:32:04.000 What did I really get myself involved with?

01:32:07.000 I get it, you know, and all I can do is just be honest about it and tell him what I believe and where I'm coming from and, you know, and he's his own man, he's his own guy and he's got his own independent, he's got his own life and he's got his own experience and he's got his own thoughts and everything so I'm not, you know.

01:32:30.000 But that's sort of my read on it.

01:32:32.000 I think that he's maybe looking back at the past few months, and it's like I predicted. 1.00

01:32:37.000 He's probably looking at me and thinking, who the fuck is this guy? 0.96

01:32:40.000 I was on TikTok, I was blowing up, now they confiscated my money on YouTube, now I'm banned from everything. 1.00

01:32:47.000 Who the fuck even is this guy? 0.99

01:32:49.000 Who the fuck even is this racist? 1.00

01:32:51.000 And man, I should have never said all that stuff. 0.99

01:32:55.000 You know, I get it.

01:32:59.000 But I would hope that he doesn't buy too much into that because, you know, you know, because I think what he did was was courageous.

01:33:09.000 I think it was brave.

01:33:11.000 And I think that we have got to be part of this generation that's going to lead the charge.

01:33:17.000 You know, look at Kanye.

01:33:18.000 He's our hero, man.

01:33:20.000 Kanye is our hero.

01:33:21.000 Look at what Kanye is doing.

01:33:24.000 He has lost Adidas.

01:33:26.000 He has lost Gap.

01:33:27.000 He has lost billions.

01:33:29.000 Look at everything that you think you have something to lose, you think I have something to lose.

01:33:33.000 Look at what he had to lose.

01:33:35.000 And he forfeited it all.

01:33:37.000 And same thing with Trump.

01:33:39.000 And all these guys.

01:33:42.000 So, and if Snitko's having second guesses, here's what I'll say.

01:33:46.000 I never have.

01:33:48.000 Because I look at these guys and I say it's a worthwhile cause.

01:33:53.000 God gives and God takes away.

01:33:56.000 Ashes to ashes and dust to dust.

01:33:58.000 We're not taking anything with us when we leave here.

01:34:01.000 You know?

01:34:04.000 The Lord giveth, the Lord taketh away.

01:34:07.000 Everything that I have, everything that I built up, is from God.

01:34:11.000 And if I lose it all, well, God can take it all away.

01:34:16.000 I was dust.

01:34:17.000 I was ashes and dust.

01:34:20.000 And that's where we're all going.

01:34:22.000 Without the life of the Spirit, without the Father.

01:34:26.000 And when I look at Trump, and when I look at Ye, and when I look at other people like that, I see that.

01:34:35.000 And I'm willing to put it all on the line, too.

01:34:37.000 And money, money, fame, status, you know, all these other things, all these other surrogate or secondary things that we're working towards, I just don't care about them.

01:34:48.000 I don't.

01:34:49.000 If I cared about money, I wouldn't do this.

01:34:52.000 I haven't been making any money in the last two years.

01:34:55.000 I've been, you know, because this site costs a fortune to run.

01:34:59.000 And, you know, so, and it's not easy with our payment situation.

01:35:05.000 I was never in it for the money, and I was never in it for the power, and I was never in it to be liked, and I was never in it for people to become fans.

01:35:14.000 I was in it because I wanted to tell the truth and I wanted to express myself and show everybody what's true. 0.81

01:35:22.000 And I know it's not easy, and I know it sucks.

01:35:25.000 And not everybody's going to be all the way committed because not everybody wants to be a political martyr or whatever.

01:35:31.000 But for what it's worth, I think it is valuable that people like Sneeko and Tate and Yay and others, who I all see in a similar category, are doing the right thing.

01:35:42.000 Trump has sort of lit a fire in all of us in a certain way, and he's this nuclear bomb of inspiration that has started this whole universe here.

01:35:50.000 And so Sneeko being on Rumble, I don't think it's the worst thing in the world.

01:35:56.000 Obviously it'd be better for him money-wise that he was on YouTube, but is it better for humanity if everybody's a slave to YouTube?

01:36:03.000 That's the question.

01:36:05.000 That's the question.

01:36:06.000 People are always saying, don't ruin your life, don't ruin your prospects, don't ruin your money, play it safe, don't go against the system.

01:36:15.000 And yeah, that'll probably be better for people now in a limited way, in a narrow way, but is that better for humanity?

01:36:23.000 That YouTube and the ADL have all this power and the power of fear?

01:36:27.000 Is it better for humanity that everybody's afraid and everybody's sensitive and everybody doesn't want to speak out and everybody's so ignorant?

01:36:35.000 At a certain point, somebody, even if just one person, has got to stand up.

01:36:40.000 Alone.

01:36:43.000 And be the one to give it up.

01:36:45.000 Be the one to go, like I did, to Seville, or to January 6th, or create cozy, or do AFPAC, or say the things you're not supposed to say, or go on Rumble, or talk about the Jewish media, or run for president as Trump did in 2015.

01:37:01.000 The question is, what can we do for humanity?

01:37:05.000 What can we do for society?

01:37:07.000 What can we do for America, as opposed to what we can do for ourselves?

01:37:12.000 And that doesn't mean be suicidal.

01:37:14.000 That doesn't mean be a kamikaze.

01:37:16.000 You still gotta be smart.

01:37:18.000 But what can we do as individuals to better humanity?

01:37:24.000 What can we do as individuals to better America?

01:37:26.000 That's the question.

01:37:29.000 So anyway.

01:37:31.000 So that's that, but it's an interesting, it's a thought-provoking conversation.

01:37:36.000 I'm glad he came in there and asked about that, because he kind of challenged me, you know?

01:37:39.000 He challenged me.

01:37:40.000 I wasn't really ready for that.

01:37:41.000 I thought he was going to come on and we were going to talk about Kyrie Irving, which we will now talk about tomorrow.

01:37:46.000 I had that planned for tonight, but Sneeko wanted to, you know, we were going to do a collab last minute, so I will talk about Kyrie Irving in the latest tomorrow.

01:37:55.000 I thought we were going to

01:37:56.000 Chat about that.

01:37:58.000 I texted him, I said, hey, is there anything you want to get into tonight?

01:38:00.000 He said, no, let's just chat.

01:38:02.000 And he came in here like, you were in Charlottesville, what's that all about?

01:38:05.000 I'm like, whoa!

01:38:07.000 Not like I'm not open and ready, and hey, I like it.

01:38:11.000 It's thought-provoking.

01:38:12.000 It forces all of us to think.

01:38:14.000 Here's the last thing I'll say, then we'll get on into the super chats.

01:38:17.000 Don't be afraid to think.

01:38:20.000 Don't be afraid to be challenged.

01:38:22.000 You know, I saw a lot of people in the live chat, I was a little bit disappointed.

01:38:26.000 Sneeko was voicing his opinion, and a lot of people were saying, oh, L Sneeko, oh, it's over, whatever.

01:38:32.000 I was a little bit disappointed.

01:38:34.000 You know, because free thinking means that you've gotta challenge yourself, and other people should challenge you.

01:38:47.000 So, yeah, I mean, I don't agree with it.

01:38:51.000 But there's nothing wrong with... I don't think it's... I don't think we should be afraid of sitting down and talking to somebody, even if they're just playing devil's advocate, or even if they believe it.

01:39:03.000 To argue and to suss it out.

01:39:05.000 I think it's valuable.

01:39:06.000 Because for him to ask those questions and say, you know, where is the line?

01:39:09.000 And he asks good questions.

01:39:12.000 That's why he's very good.

01:39:13.000 Because if you notice, whenever he does a guest appearance, whether he's interviewing or they're technically the interviewer, he's asking the questions.

01:39:24.000 That's how you know he's a smart guy.

01:39:27.000 Because people that are curious and people that ask good questions,

01:39:32.000 And then listen to the answer?

01:39:34.000 That's a very high IQ activity, actually.

01:39:38.000 And so whenever, and I always find myself like, on the back foot, I always find myself rambling and giving answers, and I want him to talk, you know, he's like a guest on my show, I want him to talk, but he just, you know, he's asking me, what do you think about this?

01:39:50.000 What about this?

01:39:50.000 What about that?

01:39:51.000 Well, what do you say if someone says this?

01:39:54.000 he's got a very that's that's I would call that like the tinkering mind you know it's sort of like concepts are like a Rubik's Cube and you're kind of like shifting it around and seeing you know does this solution work does that solution work what if we went this way what if I tried this pattern that's it that's a sign of a high IQ so

01:40:15.000 Um, so I actually appreciate that.

01:40:16.000 I'm actually glad we had the conversation because then it forces me to like, well, oh yeah, let me, let me revisit this one.

01:40:23.000 Let me think through it.

01:40:24.000 Let's, let's suss out what, what we're really debating here.

01:40:28.000 What do we mean when we say these things?

01:40:29.000 What do we mean by America?

01:40:31.000 What do we mean by a monument?

01:40:32.000 Why do we have monuments?

01:40:34.000 Let's, let's compare and contrast with the legacy of other countries and its contemporary political impact.

01:40:40.000 You know, it's, it's interesting to get back into that.

01:40:42.000 So, um,

01:40:45.000 So anyway, so those are good talk, good conversation, good show.

01:40:52.000 That's better, you know, because I could go on the show and just talk about the, you know, the same stuff that we all agree on every night, you know, or we can have actually an interesting conversation with someone who's smart and who's good faith and who disagrees.

01:41:06.000 It's valuable.

01:41:07.000 So anyway, so I appreciate it.

01:41:10.000 I like it.

01:41:10.000 All right.

01:41:11.000 Well, let's take a look at our Super Chats.

01:41:13.000 Let's see what we got here.

01:41:15.000 Let's see.

01:41:21.000 Okay.

01:41:22.000 Let me pull up our Super Chats.

01:41:28.000 All right.

01:41:33.000 Yeah, let me know what you think.

01:41:33.000 Let me know what you think about that conversation and everything.

01:41:40.000 Africa Mance is just saying Stiko had 3k but Cozy Chat was flying way faster. 0.82

01:41:45.000 Bots, by the way. 1.00

01:41:46.000 Yeah, yeah, I know, right?

01:41:47.000 Everybody says that.

01:41:48.000 Well, not everybody.

01:41:49.000 You got, you know, Sour Grapes, Destiny, and others. 0.58

01:41:53.000 They can't win the argument, so then months later they go, well, I just think he's gay and his views are bonded. 0.68

01:41:58.000 Oh, really?

01:41:59.000 You know, you weren't saying that in the Russia debate.

01:42:03.000 I wonder what happened in the interim, you know? 1.00

01:42:06.000 You started to lose the initiative and then it turned out that it was all fake and gay the whole time. 1.00

01:42:11.000 Oh, okay. 1.00

01:42:13.000 So, yeah, but it just goes to show.

01:42:16.000 Anyway, but I want to hear, what is your take on all that?

01:42:19.000 I thought it was a good stream, actually.

01:42:20.000 Good content.

01:42:22.000 Johnny Kroon sent $4. 0.99

01:42:23.000 I'm sorry for the stupid duck joke last night. 0.99

01:42:27.000 Forgive me? 0.98

01:42:27.000 Okay, that's even more cringe than the joke. 0.98

01:42:32.000 Yeah, I'm aware of Bone Thugs-n-Harmony.

01:42:34.000 I'm not a huge fan.

01:42:35.000 Probably pissing.

01:42:55.000 Pragmatic Culture sent $10.

01:42:58.000 Been loving all your off-the-goop rants these last shows.

01:43:01.000 Please never get back on a normal sleep cycle, King.

01:43:04.000 Thank you.

01:43:05.000 Yeah, it's a product of mania.

01:43:07.000 It's a product of manic-depressive episodes.

01:43:15.000 Manic-depressive mood cycles and mood swings based on adrenaline.

01:43:20.000 So yeah, thank you.

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America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - November 04, 2022

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