America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - Casual Friday: Reacting to Ye on Piers Morgan | America First Ep. 1084Casual Friday: Reacting to Ye on Piers Morgan | America First Ep. 1084

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00:01:58.000 Good evening, everybody.

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00:02:01.000 My name is Nicholas J. Fuentes.

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00:02:04.000 Very excited to be back with you here tonight on Friday.

00:02:08.000 Casual Friday.

00:02:09.000 And we have a little bit of a different kind of a show for you tonight.

00:02:13.000 Sort of a slow news day, slow news week.

00:02:16.000 So I figured we would react live to the full feature-length Ye interview with Piers Morgan, which just came out today.

00:02:27.000 It's an hour and 40 minutes so it's gonna be a good it's gonna be a long stream it's gonna be a good healthy stream so we'll be live reacting to this like I said it just came out today you might have seen pieces of it or clips from it I think a 16 minute edited version was posted earlier in the week but this is this is the full one that just got posted today so

00:02:54.000 We'll be watching this.

00:02:55.000 People are saying too long.

00:02:57.000 Okay, so what do you want from me then?

00:03:00.000 So we'll be watching this.

00:03:02.000 We will be, uh, take a look at the Super Chats at the end if I feel like it.

00:03:07.000 Probably we will.

00:03:08.000 And maybe we'll take a break in the middle, I'm not sure.

00:03:10.000 But, uh, but that's gonna be the show.

00:03:13.000 Before we get into that, though, I want to remind you to follow me here on Cozy.

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00:03:35.000 I'm gonna get rid of the live chat, because the live chat's just pissing me off, frankly.

00:03:39.000 Let's see.

00:03:44.000 Yeah, normally we don't have live chat on the screen during the show for a reason.

00:03:49.000 Okay, so follow me on all that.

00:03:52.000 What else?

00:03:53.000 You know, there were a few things going on today.

00:03:55.000 If you missed it, Ye got banned from Balenciaga.

00:03:59.000 Balenciaga has cut business ties with Ye after he spent like hundreds of thousands of dollars there. 0.99

00:04:07.000 And I think there was one other development

00:04:12.000 And we may get into that on Monday, just not really enough for a whole show.

00:04:16.000 And then, of course, Donald Trump got subpoenaed by Congress, although we sort of knew that was going to happen earlier this month.

00:04:25.000 So, we may save that for Monday.

00:04:27.000 Not really too much else, though.

00:04:28.000 Sort of a slow day.

00:04:30.000 But it's Casual Friday, you know, I'm not wearing the shirt and tie.

00:04:32.000 And we're going to have more of a casual format, so watch this.

00:04:39.000 And I'm excited!

00:04:40.000 I haven't seen this yet.

00:04:42.000 When did this come out?

00:04:43.000 How many hours ago?

00:04:44.000 What does it say?

00:04:50.000 Seven hours ago?

00:04:51.000 Okay, so it's relatively new.

00:04:52.000 So we'll see.

00:04:54.000 Let's see what the comments say before we get into it.

00:04:58.000 This is one of the most entertaining interviews I've ever watched and it's not made up.

00:05:02.000 It's real people stating their real thoughts.

00:05:06.000 I have not been this entertained in a long time.

00:05:08.000 This has evoked so much in me.

00:05:10.000 You know, honestly, I hope that people realize that the real... I hope you're beginning to understand and maybe beginning to realize that, honestly, the real problem in the world is people.

00:05:24.000 It's that most people are... 1.00

00:05:28.000 Just stupid. 1.00

00:05:30.000 You know, most people are just low IQ. 1.00

00:05:33.000 Because here you've got Ye, who's talking about Jewish media, and all the responses are so low IQ.

00:05:40.000 But then you just get these non-responses, these non-reactions, where they just say, This is entertaining!

00:05:46.000 Wow!

00:05:48.000 Say what you want, but get your popcorn, because it's entertaining!

00:05:52.000 Seriously?

00:06:02.000 That's just the way people are though, I guess.

00:06:05.000 Say whatever you want, it's entertainment!

00:06:08.000 It's like nothing matters, you know, nothing matters to people.

00:06:12.000 Bro, this interview, the gift that keep on giving, I'm dead, y'all.

00:06:19.000 Duh! 1.00

00:06:22.000 Real conversation turned entertaining, haha! 1.00

00:06:26.000 Laughing emoji, it's like women and dumb men. 1.00

00:06:32.000 All right. 1.00

00:06:33.000 Well, okay.

00:06:34.000 So I don't know.

00:06:35.000 I don't know what I expected to see in there.

00:06:37.000 But that's the comments.

00:06:39.000 That's a preview.

00:06:39.000 I guess we'll see.

00:06:41.000 Let's fire it up.

00:06:43.000 Hour and 40 minutes.

00:06:45.000 Let's go.

00:06:45.000 Let me just get set up here.

00:06:46.000 Thank you very much indeed for joining Piers Morgan Uncensored.

00:06:51.000 My first question for you, I guess, is an obvious one.

00:06:54.000 What do you hope to achieve from our conversation?

00:07:00.000 That right there, being uncensored.

00:07:04.000 In American media, it's very censored.

00:07:08.000 It feels like an episode of Black Mirror a lot of times.

00:07:11.000 So, I've put myself across the line, the point of no return, saying, hey, I know they're going to say whatever they want about me.

00:07:22.000 When I bring up the truth, they're going to say, you didn't get enough sleep.

00:07:26.000 It's because of your health.

00:07:28.000 They're going to call me names for my truth, but these experiences that I'm telling you about are factually things that I've went through and things that I refuse to keep going through and things that I'm not going to let my children go through and things that I'm not going to let my peers go through.

00:07:46.000 No pun intended.

00:07:48.000 Well look, we are most certainly uncensored on this show, yay.

00:07:51.000 I want to give you the time and the... Is this going to be here the entire time?

00:07:55.000 It says contains moderately strong language?

00:07:58.000 Is that... Okay, looks like that goes away.

00:08:03.000 Well good for him!

00:08:04.000 Okay, Uncensored, let's go!

00:08:06.000 To really explain yourself, because I think that sometimes soundbites about people, perhaps taken out of context sometimes, can create a very distorted view of what a person really thinks.

00:08:18.000 What do you think, looking back over the last few weeks in particular, what do you think have been the biggest misconceptions about you?

00:08:29.000 Well, I think there's a left agenda to silence anyone that goes against the agenda.

00:08:40.000 Let's go back to Trump running for office.

00:08:44.000 Back in 2015, everyone that was around me in my industry, in the entertainment industry, told me that my life would be over.

00:08:53.000 I would be on the wrong side of history.

00:08:55.000 I've even had threats to my life for wearing the Trump hat.

00:09:00.000 And it even ended up in, you know, destroying my family and also making it where I have to raise my children differently because I actually am a person that's classified as black.

00:09:16.000 You know, I classify myself as Jew, but

00:09:22.000 A person is classified that had been given that title in America as black in America that I'm supposed to stay in a block of a vote.

00:09:31.000 You never heard the term white vote.

00:09:33.000 So why is there a term black vote?

00:09:35.000 How is that? 0.99

00:09:35.000 OK, it sounds just as racist as a black drinking fountain. 0.99

00:09:40.000 And I'm my dad, you know, called me and said, you know, the thing that the left fear about, yay, or makes me the most dangerous is I'm rich. 0.97

00:09:51.000 And that's the point.

00:09:53.000 Tupac told me back in the days, you know, you had to get your money right and then you go to war.

00:09:57.000 So I'm going to war, you know, I don't I don't have I don't have endless resources.

00:10:03.000 I only have like maybe, you know, honestly only

00:10:07.000 Maybe $120 million in my account.

00:10:10.000 But what I'm not going to let happen is, I'm not going to let my kids take over Yeezy someday and have a boardroom telling them what to do and talking behind their back.

00:10:22.000 I'm not going to let that happen to my children.

00:10:24.000 So I have to fight right now.

00:10:27.000 And the other powerful icons in black music, when they were at the top of the game, they didn't fight at that point.

00:10:34.000 They were too afraid of losing whatever they had.

00:10:37.000 So by the time they wanted to make a difference, by the time Bill Cosby wanted to buy NBC, he didn't have the Cosby Show at that time to be able to stand up when they wanted to literally throw him in jail, you know, when they actually did throw him in jail.

00:10:51.000 So people have to understand just the bravery.

00:10:55.000 There's so many people everywhere.

00:10:58.000 I know everyone can relate to being afraid to say what you're going to feel because you feel like you're going to,

00:11:06.000 You know, you're gonna lose something.

00:11:08.000 So whether you agree with me or not, I believe people are going to feel the fact that someone is brave enough to say something.

00:11:17.000 Every day, I do five things that people have been historically killed for.

00:11:22.000 Every day.

00:11:24.000 And it's just, yo, I want to prove, first of all, I am Jew also.

00:11:30.000 The 12 Lost Tribes of Hebrew do the math. 0.98

00:11:34.000 Do your research on it.

00:11:36.000 We have got our culture ripped from us and then told we were just simply void of color, which is another definition for black. 0.99

00:11:44.000 But if we knew we were a culture and knew we were people the way the Jewish people know, then we wouldn't abort ourselves.

00:11:52.000 We wouldn't shoot each other dead in the streets and then rap about it.

00:11:57.000 We wouldn't brag about 1.00

00:12:00.000 You know, having sex with each other's wives. 0.99

00:12:02.000 We would keep our families together and we would do business together. 1.00

00:12:06.000 The most dangerous place for a black person in America is actually in our mother's stomachs. 0.99

00:12:13.000 Because 50% of black deaths a year in America is abortion. 0.99

00:12:20.000 Currently.

00:12:22.000 I mean, I can keep going, but I want to make it, hey, boom, ask me questions.

00:12:27.000 Hey, boom! 0.99

00:12:29.000 It's true, though, and this is something I've talked about on my show a lot.

00:12:32.000 This is an important point.

00:12:36.000 And we actually just went over it with the Darren Beattie interview.

00:12:40.000 I actually want to pull that up because it's relevant.

00:12:46.000 And I've talked about this on my show for a long time, and recently I saw Darren said something similar in this interview he did, which is that

00:12:57.000 When you're talking about regime change, when you're talking about these ideas which are censored and which carry this high social cost to talk about, you know, what you would call the red pill or the third rail type of subjects, there's sort of two ways you can go about it.

00:13:15.000 And the one way is to just talk about it.

00:13:17.000 The one way is that you talk about what's going on.

00:13:21.000 You talk about, for example, the Jewish influence or whatever it is.

00:13:26.000 We're good to go.

00:13:44.000 We're good to go.

00:13:57.000 And a lot of people may say they're doing that sort of conscientiously, and people say that, for example, in politics, that they're going to infiltrate the system, they may agree with me, they may share my views, they agree with me about Jews, they agree with me about race, they agree with me about these kinds of things. 0.59

00:14:17.000 But they know that if they said it, it would be career suicide.

00:14:20.000 They know that if they said it, they'd be ostracized, that they would be targeted.

00:14:25.000 So instead, they pretend they don't have those views, they lie, and their idea is that they're going to work their way up inside the system that they oppose, and then use their influence in the system to bring it down eventually, to empower people that share those views.

00:14:44.000 But what always ends up happening, and this is what Ye just said about Bill Cosby, and this is what he said about himself, is that people will get to that point.

00:14:52.000 He said that, you know, according to Tupac, you gotta get your money right before you go to war.

00:14:57.000 A lot of people will get their money right, they will get to that position, and then, at that point, they've forgotten why they got into it.

00:15:05.000 At that point, they're so afraid of losing what they've built, their money, their fame, their legacy, their reputation,

00:15:13.000 That at your peak, and nobody knows their peak, your perceived pinnacle, when you have real, serious, national, tangible success,

00:15:24.000 They're sort of trapped.

00:15:26.000 They say, well, I don't want to lose what I have.

00:15:28.000 So that big idea that we had at the beginning where we're going to get our money right and we're going to infiltrate and we're going to level up and we're going to rise through the institutions.

00:15:38.000 Well, once they make it, once they get to that point where they have some influence,

00:15:44.000 They say, now I don't want to do that.

00:15:46.000 I'm afraid of losing it.

00:15:48.000 And there's sort of two ideas here.

00:15:50.000 And the first is that, one, all the influence that you can, all the influence that you get through the system is contingent on the system.

00:16:02.000 It is constantly perpetuated by the system.

00:16:06.000 And what do I mean by that?

00:16:07.000 If you climb your way up the ladder inside the system and say, well, you know, I'll blow the whistle on all this when I become powerful, and you get on TV or you get into Congress or something,

00:16:20.000 Well, your power and your ability to blow the whistle, your influence, is contingent on the system that you would oppose.

00:16:28.000 And the day, or the hour, or the minute that you expose yourself as an enemy of the system, the system will withdraw its support for you.

00:16:40.000 The system will withdraw its patronage. 0.99

00:16:44.000 You're not a lord, you're a thief. 0.73

00:16:47.000 Or you rule a fiefdom.

00:16:51.000 Rather, you're not the king, you're a lord, and your land isn't really your land, it's a fief.

00:16:56.000 It was given to you by the king.

00:17:00.000 And so, to the extent that you have influence, to the extent that you have clout, or power, or money, you only have it insofar as it is on loan to you from the real power.

00:17:13.000 So, if you're in Congress, as an example, it's not your seat.

00:17:18.000 That's not your power.

00:17:20.000 Your seat and your power are on loan to you from your donors, from the leader of the party, from the media, from the staff, whoever you're dependent on, whoever you're entangled with and dependent on, your power is on loan from them.

00:17:40.000 And so the second that you go out there and say, now I'm against the system,

00:17:45.000 So much of it is revoked, and it's not to say that you have no influence on your own, but probably 80% of it, 90% of it is contingent.

00:17:55.000 People say, I'm gonna become so powerful, and then they do, and then they turn and oppose the system, and they realize that all that power they thought they had, I infiltrated, I worked my way up the ladder,

00:18:09.000 90% of it has just been taken out of the equation because it was dependent on these entangling alliances and dependencies and donors and things like that.

00:18:21.000 So what does that mean?

00:18:23.000 It means that influence is illusory.

00:18:27.000 It means that people don't have the power they think they have.

00:18:31.000 The people that you think are powerful are not really powerful.

00:18:34.000 That's the conclusion.

00:18:36.000 The conclusion is that all power is centralized.

00:18:41.000 And all power is sort of delegated and loaned out.

00:18:47.000 And if you think you have it, think again.

00:18:51.000 Because of course,

00:18:53.000 If you can't speak out against certain people or a certain thing, if you can't really speak your mind, is it really your influence?

00:19:00.000 If you would lose this, that, and the other, if you really did something independent, if you really did something free, was that really your power to begin with?

00:19:10.000 Is it really yours?

00:19:11.000 Is it yours?

00:19:12.000 No.

00:19:13.000 It's not.

00:19:15.000 And it also, and that's the first thing, the second thing is how they will trap people.

00:19:23.000 They will neutralize people by making them dependent. 0.61

00:19:28.000 It's that dependency which is how they're able to loan out their power but still hold on to it.

00:19:35.000 So that anybody, even like a guy like Donald Trump or Ye, this is why they hate class traitors the most.

00:19:41.000 It's like he said, they hate the rich.

00:19:43.000 They hate rich people that do this.

00:19:45.000 Because people like Ye and Donald Trump

00:19:49.000 I don't know.

00:20:10.000 And Darren said something similar here, which I think I read out on my show at one point.

00:20:13.000 Let's see.

00:20:44.000 I don't know if I'll be able to find it off the cuff here.

00:20:47.000 Let me take a look through here.

00:20:50.000 Here it is.

00:20:51.000 This is my favorite part of the interview.

00:20:54.000 He talks about the failure of populism.

00:20:58.000 And he writes, let's see...

00:21:07.000 He says it's clearly necessary to also cultivate an elite, both cultural and intellectual, and capture the institutions that serve to reinforce your ideas once you get political power so you don't have to find yourself again in the situation where you nominally have government but functionally you're kind of impotent.

00:21:25.000 So he means that we need to create an elite class.

00:21:27.000 We don't just want to win an election.

00:21:29.000 We need to cultivate

00:21:31.000 We're good to go. 0.94

00:21:48.000 But it can also go a bit too far and become ridiculous. 0.62

00:21:51.000 I mean, where is the critique? 0.90

00:21:52.000 Is Trump elite or not?

00:21:54.000 Insofar as it's adjacent to this approach of quietly recapturing the institutions, infiltrating the elites without rocking the boat too much, etc.

00:22:03.000 It can turn into a bit of a LARP and transition into a dangerous acquiescence or quietism that provides comfort to people who are red-pilled but not based, if you know what I mean.

00:22:15.000 To be red-pilled means you know the facts, but to be based means you're a creature capable of withstanding the coordinated social pressures smothering you if you dare to challenge the system publicly and aggressively.

00:22:28.000 Those are very different things.

00:22:30.000 And so I think while there's some truth to this idea, it can also function as a rationalization for people who are constitutionally red-pilled but not based.

00:22:38.000 Such as the tech bros.

00:22:39.000 A lot of these tech people are weak.

00:22:41.000 They don't have what it takes to confront the system.

00:22:44.000 You saw this with Elon Musk trying to buy Twitter.

00:22:46.000 He dipped his toes in the arena and then ran back with his tail between his legs and that didn't really age very well.

00:22:53.000 But nevertheless, you understand the point.

00:22:56.000 He said it all the billions of dollars as soon as he realized what that entails.

00:23:00.000 I'm sorry guys.

00:23:01.000 I'm content to resume my role as a glorified IT support for the regime.

00:23:06.000 So yes, there's value to the elitist message, but there's also a danger and we should be careful in the way we promote it precisely because it is so attractive to certain people who are essentially weak and just want to be reassured there's nothing wrong with inaction.

00:23:26.000 And there was one other part too that I thought was really good, but I don't know if I'll be able to find it right away.

00:23:36.000 But anyway, so the point is, you know, how many people with real power are going to aggressively and directly confront the system like Trump and Ye have?

00:23:49.000 If you don't have people doing that, you can't win.

00:23:53.000 The idea that

00:23:55.000 We learn the truth and we're all just going to hide it and lie about it forever?

00:23:59.000 It's just not going to work.

00:24:01.000 At some point you need somebody to be the tip of the spear like Trump or Ye, and that involves losing things.

00:24:07.000 That involves the immense social pressure, financial pressure, the censorship, persecution, the targeting.

00:24:16.000 At some point, the war has to be fought.

00:24:19.000 At some point, people need to initiate an offensive, as opposed to just playing this game of defensive and maneuvering.

00:24:27.000 So, anyway, I don't want to talk too much over this, but it's a very important point that he makes.

00:24:33.000 And by the way, I just want to add... We're 5 minutes in, 30 minutes into the stream.

00:24:36.000 I just want to add...

00:24:38.000 Everybody is calling him crazy.

00:24:41.000 I'm watching this interview.

00:24:42.000 I watched the first five minutes.

00:24:44.000 He's not crazy at all.

00:24:46.000 Crazy people don't talk this way. 0.75

00:24:48.000 I've talked to crazy people before. 0.98

00:24:49.000 I've talked to people that are manic. 0.94

00:24:52.000 I've talked to people that are actually mentally unwell.

00:24:56.000 This is not an...

00:24:57.000 If you know people like this yourself, you know this to be true.

00:25:02.000 This is not how a manic person talks.

00:25:05.000 If you know anybody that's bipolar, this is not what mania sounds like.

00:25:09.000 Mania does not sound like this at all.

00:25:12.000 So, I know we're only five minutes in, but of course,

00:25:16.000 And this is what they do. 0.82

00:25:17.000 If he were white, they would say he's a Nazi. 1.00

00:25:20.000 If you're white and you talk about Jews, you're a racist Nazi. 1.00

00:25:23.000 If you're black and you talk about Jews, well they can't call you a racist Nazi, so they call you crazy. 1.00

00:25:29.000 They say you're off your medication, you're a lunatic. 1.00

00:25:34.000 So...

00:25:37.000 I'm five minutes in and everything that he's saying is completely coherent It's complete sentences, you know, and I know that maybe that sounds like Oh complete sentences But that's not what a crazy that's not what a person who is completely irrational or having some kind of an episode sounds like so

00:25:58.000 I don't want to jump in too much because here's what I honestly think.

00:26:02.000 I think you have an extraordinary mind.

00:26:04.000 You have a number of extraordinary talents.

00:26:07.000 You're a musical genius.

00:26:09.000 You're a fascinating public figure.

00:26:12.000 What has been interesting to me is to watch the furore which has erupted in the last few weeks over a series of statements that you've made which have caused, as you know, a lot of offence.

00:26:24.000 And I guess before I get into them, I'm just curious as to

00:26:28.000 Whether you think there is a line for free speech, I, listen, I completely agree with you that there is a war against free speech, that people are, you know, treading on eggshells all the time, terrified of expressing honestly held opinions in case they get cancelled.

00:26:42.000 I think we're living in a really insidious era where liberals are behaving like fascists.

00:26:49.000 So on that you have absolutely my agreement, but my question for you,

00:26:54.000 Is, do you believe there are limits to free speech?

00:26:56.000 And if they are, what are they?

00:27:01.000 There are no limits to free speech.

00:27:03.000 It's all context, right?

00:27:05.000 Tarantino can write a movie about slavery where actually him and Jamie, they got the idea from me because the idea for Django, I pitched to Jamie Foxx and Quentin Tarantino as the video for Gold Digger.

00:27:20.000 And then Tarantino turned it into a film.

00:27:22.000 But in that film, he creates a context where Leonardo DiCaprio is allowed to use the word s*** multiple times within that context.

00:27:34.000 So Hollywood's job is to frame things, and they allow what content is accepted and what's not.

00:27:42.000 We have our thoughts.

00:27:45.000 Everyone has thoughts and ideas, and then people try to manipulate your thoughts and ideas.

00:27:51.000 In order for humanity to move forward, we have to be free to think and then to actualize.

00:27:57.000 I like the word actualize better than execute.

00:28:01.000 If you think about it, execute is a negative word.

00:28:03.000 Actualize would be more positive, except for the fact that it has the word act in it.

00:28:08.000 We're good to go.

00:28:25.000 That's a really good point though about Django Unchained.

00:28:29.000 You know it may seem simple but it's like

00:28:55.000 Obviously in that movie you got a white guy saying the n-word so it's not it's not the word in itself.

00:29:00.000 It's not it's not He's a character in a movie saying those things and that's a major Hollywood production But he can say those things because of the context because we know it's a movie and because there's a certain narrative and so on and so forth And so what he's saying is really they're just banning

00:29:20.000 They're banning the context.

00:29:22.000 They're banning a certain message.

00:29:23.000 It's not actually the words in themselves.

00:29:25.000 It's not actually the speech.

00:29:29.000 It's the meaning behind it.

00:29:30.000 It's really more about how they don't want certain ideas.

00:29:34.000 It's not about sensitivity.

00:29:36.000 And, well, you can't say this because this is offensive.

00:29:39.000 Well, we can say words that are offensive and there can be offensive statements.

00:29:44.000 It's just about for what, towards what, is the problem.

00:29:48.000 When you say you're more Matisse than Picasso, as somebody who's a fan of Matisse and Picasso actually, I spent a lot of time in in Santa Fe where they all used to paint together.

00:29:48.000 That's a good point.

00:29:58.000 Why do you say Matisse?

00:29:59.000 What is it about Matisse that you feel an affinity with?

00:30:05.000 I think I feel like Drake is more Picasso and Ye is more Matisse.

00:30:09.000 When we talked about

00:30:11.000 When me and Drake went to do the show last year for prison reform and to bring awareness to the incarceration of Larry Hoover, I sent him articles about the relationship of Matisse and Picasso and the need for these people.

00:30:33.000 You need to have that, you know, I need to go into the bar and 0.97

00:30:39.000 Go to Starbucks.

00:30:41.000 That's a form of a modern-day bar, right?

00:30:44.000 And just hear Drake's song playing back-to-back.

00:30:47.000 And Drake needs to go into that same Starbucks just in a different city and see people wearing Yeezys.

00:30:53.000 And it puts us both back into the studio.

00:30:57.000 You know, God sets up these almost similar characters, these doppelgangers.

00:31:02.000 It makes me really realize God has a sense of humor.

00:31:05.000 Like, why is John Galliano and Marc Jacobs the exact same human being?

00:31:12.000 Just just place in a different place or why does God have it where Bernard Arnault cannot purchase Gucci, not even through the Chinese market?

00:31:23.000 God does this to remind us that we are not God, because when you take people like Elon Musk and Bernard Arnault and Trump or Jack Ma,

00:31:37.000 I think so.

00:31:55.000 And to make the world a better place, there's, you know, 1% of the world are placed in power, and 99% of the world are the audience.

00:32:04.000 So that 1% of the world, this idea of a United Nations, this is the world that needs to come together.

00:32:10.000 This is the world that, I mean, here's the obvious go-to, Biden doesn't listen to Elon Musk.

00:32:16.000 The President of the United States does not have meetings with Elon Musk.

00:32:22.000 That is

00:32:24.000 Hey, here, come, come, come, come get me. 1.00

00:32:26.000 That's f****** retarded. 1.00

00:32:30.000 I know I'm not supposed to say that, Biden, but that's f****** retarded, Biden. 1.00

00:32:36.000 And, and I've, you know, it's, um... 0.98

00:32:41.000 And obviously, because I've been deemed with mental health, all this, I have the right to use whatever words that I like to use.

00:32:47.000 Well, that's interesting.

00:32:48.000 Ask another question.

00:32:49.000 Well, yeah, let me ask you on that.

00:32:51.000 So you just said something very inflammatory about President Biden.

00:32:54.000 It will, as you know, offend a lot of people.

00:32:57.000 And it will particularly offend people who work in mental health.

00:32:59.000 You say you should not use a word like retarded.

00:33:03.000 But you say that because you yourself have had mental health issues, 0.77

00:33:07.000 That entitles you to use that kind of word as an insult.

00:33:11.000 Now I would say that's an arguable point.

00:33:13.000 I've had, my issue, my issue is I've had mental health allegations.

00:33:19.000 So do you believe that you have any form of mental illness?

00:33:25.000 I believe that I suffered from exhaustion.

00:33:29.000 I believe that I suffered from exhaustion.

00:33:32.000 I suffered from being lied to constantly by the people around me.

00:33:37.000 And I believe those things can drive anyone to a point of maximum exhaustion.

00:33:44.000 But I also believe that I'm extremely brilliant, and I'm here to make the world a better place, and I'm tired of the left media trying to pick on me.

00:33:55.000 And y'all picked on me enough, and y'all finally touched the person that's not gonna stand, that's not gonna take it anymore.

00:34:04.000 And that's part of the reason why I'm on Uncensored, because what they'd like is for me to be quiet.

00:34:11.000 Interesting thing about racism and cancel culture, it's kind of similar, right?

00:34:17.000 Racism works on itself.

00:34:20.000 I can go into the Gucci store at age 18, and I just assume that people think that I'm about to steal, so I buy more things.

00:34:29.000 With cancel culture, when I brought Marilyn Manson on stage with me when he was dealing with allegations, my stepbrother Marilyn was canceling himself.

00:34:40.000 What they had so many people comment on my White Lives Matter t-shirt, there's people who are saying right there on Fashion Week, when are you going home?

00:34:47.000 I'm so afraid.

00:34:49.000 People thought I was going to cancel myself.

00:34:51.000 I'm not going to cancel myself.

00:34:54.000 I'm going to keep on delivering what I feel, because guess what?

00:34:58.000 It's very split opinions, by the way.

00:35:01.000 If I talk to a black person that makes under a million dollars a year, they really are—they really relate to the George Floyd comments and feel hurt that I would even

00:35:18.000 Uh, bring it up and question the approach.

00:35:21.000 They have multiple documentaries on the death of JFK, but we're just supposed to believe this one media outlet version that preyed on our trauma and our pain.

00:35:34.000 And then, if I talk to rich black people, uh, or white people, Jew or Catholic or atheist,

00:35:43.000 They're really into the Jewish media comment because it affects their business interests.

00:35:50.000 Okay, well let me... That's... Wow.

00:35:54.000 That's... Dude.

00:35:56.000 This is our guy, man. 1.00

00:35:58.000 How can anybody say that this guy is crazy or dumb? 0.99

00:36:04.000 I am constantly impressed. 1.00

00:36:06.000 I am constantly amazed.

00:36:09.000 Because, and it's true, everybody just says, oh he's a rapper, or he's just another rapper, he's just an entertainer or something.

00:36:17.000 That is actually such an insightful comment, and it's true!

00:36:22.000 Because I saw that on social media.

00:36:26.000 Of course, it was the, well, the affluent people, but also white people, and obviously Jews, 0.90

00:36:34.000 I don't know.

00:36:52.000 You looked at, like, even when I was on No Jumper, when I was on No Jumper with Adam22 and AD and Flaco and Sneeko, but the three on the host, the three that were hosting it, they didn't even really want to talk about the Jewish stuff.

00:37:08.000 I mean, they did, and they kind of conceded.

00:37:10.000 They didn't even really care about that.

00:37:11.000 They were like, oh, yeah, because I'm, like, known as an anti-Semite.

00:37:14.000 I'm, like, known as a Holocaust denier.

00:37:16.000 That was not even, like, contentious to them at all.

00:37:19.000 At all!

00:37:20.000 You remember when I was talking with Adam, he was like, oh yeah, well, they cancelled them.

00:37:27.000 It's not even worth arguing about it because they proved it was true because he called out the Jewish media and then the Jewish media cancelled them is basically what he said. 0.90

00:37:36.000 And we talked about the Holocaust. 0.60

00:37:38.000 And they were just sort of unfazed by that.

00:37:42.000 But what they were bothered by were my remarks about race and race mixing.

00:37:47.000 And I noticed that all the black people on Twitter had a problem, and on YouTube too, on the YouTube comments.

00:37:57.000 What was notable to them were the comments about George Floyd, not about the Jewish media.

00:38:03.000 And it's true. 0.56

00:38:07.000 And of course, why is that the case?

00:38:11.000 It has to do with socialization.

00:38:15.000 The Jews obviously have an ethnic interest, you know, and so there's the distinctly Jewish component.

00:38:21.000 But why would white liberals be more upset about the Jewish remark?

00:38:24.000 Because they were socialized and indoctrinated in school with the Holocaust education and this white supremacy stuff. 0.63

00:38:31.000 The shadow of Hitler casts a longer shadow on the minds of the white man and the Jew.

00:38:37.000 Than the shadow cast by slavery and Jim Crow and the KKK in the consciousness of the black people in America.

00:38:50.000 So that's actually really insightful.

00:38:51.000 That's interesting.

00:38:53.000 He's right.

00:38:53.000 Let me just pick you up on the two things you've mentioned.

00:38:56.000 The first one is what you said about George Floyd.

00:39:00.000 And the reality of that, it's not a media interpretation of how he died, because the Hennepin County Chief Medical Examiner concluded that Floyd died from cardiopulmonary arrest.

00:39:12.000 His heart stopped, complicated by the way the police restrained him and compressed his neck.

00:39:17.000 Now, he also said there were other contributing

00:39:19.000 What makes you believe that person?

00:39:42.000 Well, why would a coroner lie?

00:39:43.000 What makes you believe that?

00:39:45.000 Why would a coroner lie?

00:39:46.000 Because he could get paid to lie.

00:39:48.000 Because he could get paid to lie because he's talking in the press.

00:39:50.000 I watched it for eight minutes.

00:39:51.000 The majority of the press.

00:39:52.000 Right, but I watched it for eight minutes.

00:39:54.000 Now tell me this.

00:39:55.000 Have you seen the Candace Owens BLM documentary?

00:39:58.000 I have watched...

00:40:00.000 Uh, some of that documentary.

00:40:01.000 But here's what I would say to you.

00:40:02.000 When you watch that video of George Floyd... No, it's not a but.

00:40:05.000 It's not, it's not, it's not... Well, I haven't watched the whole thing.

00:40:07.000 I need you to watch.

00:40:09.000 I know.

00:40:09.000 I know what you said about... I want you to... I know Candace.

00:40:11.000 Wait, I'm gonna finish.

00:40:13.000 La, la, la... Sorry, I... You don't know what that means, do you?

00:40:16.000 I know what it means.

00:40:18.000 La, la, la means be quiet and let me finish.

00:40:21.000 You can interrupt my question.

00:40:22.000 So, with the BLM...

00:40:25.000 No, I wasn't finished.

00:40:26.000 You're pressing agenda.

00:40:27.000 You haven't seen the whole thing.

00:40:29.000 I don't have an agenda.

00:40:30.000 I just read you what the coroner said.

00:40:34.000 So we can have 20 different perspectives on how JFK died, but us as black people, not only can we only vote one way, we're not allowed to have any other perspectives, and that the area for George Floyd, where he passed, the murder rate is up 50%, and nothing, this is so-called movement, but it didn't move blacks anywhere.

00:40:56.000 Right, now listen, I will say there are legitimate questions about the Black Lives Matter movement, no question.

00:41:04.000 But on the specific point about how George Floyd died, I don't think it's in question about what actually killed him.

00:41:11.000 It was that police officer with his knee on his neck.

00:41:15.000 It isn't.

00:41:16.000 It isn't question.

00:41:17.000 I'm questioning.

00:41:18.000 Well, you can question it, but what you're questioning is a coroner report.

00:41:21.000 Hey, do you have friends that were killed by police officers?

00:41:25.000 Do you have friends that were locked up?

00:41:27.000 Do you have friends, do you have people aborting half your race? 1.00

00:41:31.000 No.

00:41:31.000 So I am the black person with the black experience that's worth 11 billion dollars and is the most influential person on the planet.

00:41:38.000 And I am questioning it.

00:41:39.000 Okay.

00:41:40.000 And I have a right to question it.

00:41:42.000 Absolutely.

00:41:42.000 You can't tell me, you can't tell me, you can't tell me with your accent that me as an American, Jew, black person, that I cannot question that death and question the means he had.

00:41:55.000 That was put on camera to traumatize.

00:41:57.000 I'm not saying you can't question it.

00:41:58.000 I'm not finished.

00:41:59.000 La la la la means let me finish.

00:42:02.000 Okay.

00:42:02.000 I'm not finished talking.

00:42:04.000 So we can't,

00:42:06.000 I cannot see because you distract my thoughts and then you try to make me look like a crazy person and you feel you have the right to cut me off and I've proven you guys don't want it with me.

00:42:18.000 This is like Terminator 20.

00:42:20.000 You've never seen this before.

00:42:22.000 You've never seen this before.

00:42:24.000 So I want no one to play with me.

00:42:26.000 I have the right to question because that videotape was used to traumatize my people and force us into the Democratic vote.

00:42:37.000 Hey, George Soros, you're a real competitor.

00:42:40.000 I respect you.

00:42:42.000 I'm worth more money than you and I have more influence than you and have, you know, Piers Morgan from a different country saying, well, the, uh, I'm not going to do an English accent because that would be racist.

00:42:57.000 Fine!

00:42:58.000 I know you can do that.

00:42:59.000 As I said to you, the show is uncensored, yeah?

00:43:02.000 You can say what the hell you like, right?

00:43:04.000 But that doesn't mean I can't pick you up on a few things, right?

00:43:07.000 You accept that?

00:43:10.000 I accept that, but you try to say it is unquestionable because this one Dr. Fauci said this.

00:43:17.000 I know it wasn't Dr. Fauci, but I'm just giving an example where we hear from even Google.

00:43:22.000 Like, people feel like, you know, if you Google it, it's factual.

00:43:27.000 There's so much non-factual information about me

00:43:32.000 On Google.

00:43:32.000 But then I still believe Google.

00:43:34.000 And people pay to get certain information to the top of Google.

00:43:39.000 But this is good.

00:43:40.000 This is keep going.

00:43:41.000 Where else you want to go with it?

00:43:42.000 Here's where I want to go.

00:43:43.000 The civil rights lawyer Lee Merritt responded to what you said about George Floyd's death and said,

00:43:48.000 While one cannot defame the dead, the family of George Floyd is considering suit—which they're now doing, as you know, they're suing you for $250 million—for Ye's false statements about the manner of his death.

00:43:59.000 Claiming Floyd died from fentanyl, not the brutality established criminally and civilly, undermines and diminishes the Floyd family's fight.

00:44:09.000 So what is your response to that?

00:44:13.000 Well, anybody who loses a loved one, my heart goes out to them.

00:44:19.000 Any race, my heart goes out to the pain of that.

00:44:23.000 I have a theory about it.

00:44:25.000 Now, this is not a fact.

00:44:27.000 This is a feeling that I have.

00:44:29.000 In the documentary, George Floyd's two roommates said that George kept saying, they want a tall guy like me.

00:44:38.000 They want a tall guy like me.

00:44:41.000 So for me, I'm a creative, right?

00:44:43.000 I can, like, make a dinosaur out of a femur, right?

00:44:47.000 So if I'm making a dinosaur out of a femur, and I'm looking at a documentary that says George Floyd was telling his two roommates they want a tall guy like me, and on the day of his death,

00:45:03.000 He prayed for eight minutes.

00:45:05.000 They said he prayed longer than he ever prayed.

00:45:08.000 What do you think me, as a creative mind, the beautiful mind, right?

00:45:12.000 The sensitive mind.

00:45:13.000 What do you think I feel could have happened in that situation?

00:45:18.000 All right, well, honestly, if I'm being honest with you, I would say that because of your brilliant, beautiful, creative mind, as you put it, and I don't dispute that at all, you've got an extraordinary mind.

00:45:28.000 And I can see that in the way that you conduct interviews.

00:45:31.000 You go off on very long tangents, but they're sort of fascinating.

00:45:34.000 I find it fascinating to listen to you.

00:45:36.000 I'm not saying you don't have a right to question... Sort of, quite.

00:45:38.000 These are like Capote-level fascinating tangents.

00:45:42.000 No, they're not.

00:45:42.000 They're not.

00:45:43.000 I'm just saying it's a way you conduct yourself, and I think that's very interesting.

00:45:47.000 What do you mean?

00:45:48.000 Oh, it's not?

00:45:49.000 Why?

00:45:50.000 Why is it, oh, it's not Capote level?

00:45:56.000 If you would like me to compare you to Truman Capote, I am happy to do that.

00:46:01.000 If you want to be known as the new Capote, I'm with you.

00:46:05.000 I'm not going to question your talent.

00:46:06.000 Your talent to me is completely unquestionable.

00:46:09.000 Answer the question about the femur to the dinosaur on this situation.

00:46:15.000 I'm just going to ask you this.

00:46:17.000 No, you're not.

00:46:17.000 You're going to know.

00:46:18.000 I didn't finish my question.

00:46:20.000 Well, hang on.

00:46:21.000 You've got to answer my question first.

00:46:22.000 You can't tell me what questions to ask you.

00:46:24.000 You accept that I'm the interviewer.

00:46:26.000 No, I said answer my question.

00:46:29.000 No, I'm interviewing you too.

00:46:30.000 Well, you can't interview me.

00:46:31.000 It's my interview.

00:46:34.000 You're Bono.

00:46:35.000 I'm interviewing you too.

00:46:37.000 See, that's the way we rap. 0.56

00:46:38.000 You get it?

00:46:38.000 You gonna say it?

00:46:39.000 No, no.

00:46:39.000 Let me just put this to you.

00:46:41.000 So, no, no, no, no.

00:46:41.000 You're trying to avoid something.

00:46:42.000 You're trying to avoid something.

00:46:43.000 No, no, no, no.

00:46:44.000 La, la, la, la, la, la, la.

00:46:46.000 That's quite a phrase.

00:46:47.000 You're interrupting me now.

00:46:48.000 I'm gonna get back to it.

00:46:49.000 I'm gonna get back to it.

00:46:50.000 Alright, you can, but let me ask you this.

00:46:51.000 Because you haven't answered my question.

00:46:52.000 Here's my question for you, which you haven't answered.

00:46:54.000 No, I'm not answering.

00:46:56.000 Don't answer my question.

00:46:58.000 I'm not answering anything.

00:46:59.000 I'm going back to my original question in a way, which is simply this.

00:47:03.000 I'm not saying you don't have a right to question how George Floyd died, but given the world watched that horrifying video of that policeman's knee on his neck, and given that is what the coroner said caused his death, albeit he had other underlying conditions including fentanyl intoxication,

00:47:20.000 When the family sees someone like you, who's hugely influential, you're known around the world, questioning how their loved one died, they find that very hurtful.

00:47:30.000 Well, look at what they do.

00:47:32.000 Here's the amazing thing.

00:47:36.000 If you have the contrary opinion, I just want to pause and just interject and acknowledge this is what's happening.

00:47:44.000 If you have the contrary opinion, they shut you down, and they call you names, and they cancel you.

00:47:51.000 You know, Ye set on the drink champs that he doesn't think George Floyd died from the police.

00:47:58.000 And he gets

00:47:59.000 Disavowed.

00:48:00.000 They attack him in the press.

00:48:01.000 They cancel him.

00:48:03.000 Balenciaga splits with him.

00:48:05.000 So he does this interview to clear the air, or whatever it is, and then they're gonna do the debate.

00:48:10.000 Then they say, oh, okay, well, let's do the debate then.

00:48:13.000 Oh, okay, so let's do the debate then on whether George Floyd died.

00:48:17.000 And here Ye is explaining, well, what I meant by it is this.

00:48:20.000 I think it's interesting that, you know, the rich cared more about the Jew media comment, and the black people and the poor people cared more. 0.78

00:48:27.000 about the George Floyd comment.

00:48:30.000 He said, and

00:48:32.000 If you look at what's happening in the neighborhood the crime rate is way up and nobody cares about that and so the black trauma was weaponized against black people to achieve a certain political result and what do you think about these details in the documentary which you didn't even watch which you didn't even see the other position we're not allowed to have another and and so he sees and then he throws it back and said you know what do you make of my argument and Pierce throws it back and it's just 0.67

00:48:59.000 It's just this emotional blackmail stuff.

00:49:03.000 Well, you're so powerful, you're so famous, and the poor family, they're so hurt by this.

00:49:10.000 This video where the knee is on his poor neck for... Like, don't you understand that they don't have any arguments?

00:49:19.000 They don't want to argue.

00:49:20.000 They cancel you.

00:49:22.000 And then, when they begin to argue, they just retreat back into this sort of emotional gaslighting.

00:49:29.000 He gets cancelled for his initial contrary opinion, and then they get into it.

00:49:34.000 Then Piers Morgan is goaded into debating the subject, and then remembers, oh yeah, we can't debate this, and retreats back into hurt.

00:49:47.000 Oh, the family, the victims, the trauma, the hurt feelings. 1.00

00:49:56.000 And that's just bullshit. 0.98

00:49:58.000 You know, because if they're going to have a discussion, then have the discussion, which entails a back and forth. 0.99

00:50:06.000 And that means that you need to hear what the other person says, and understand it, and then respond to the substance of what was said.

00:50:14.000 And so Ye says, and he's making, I think, valid, cogent, relevant points, which are what?

00:50:25.000 That if the murder rate went up where George Floyd was killed, after all was said and done, and there's no coverage about that, then was that really about the well-being of black people?

00:50:37.000 If the movement was intended to advance the cause of black welfare, the welfare of the black people, then how could you say that it achieved that if black people are worse off in that neighborhood afterward?

00:50:53.000 And what's more, there's a political agenda clearly, and the other side hasn't even heard the contrary argument.

00:51:01.000 You know, the mainstream peers hasn't even seen, oh well I saw part of it, oh well I don't really know what you're talking about anyway, aren't you just, don't you just feel guilty about the hurt feelings you're causing with your questions?

00:51:16.000 Our whole, the whole political conversation is like this.

00:51:20.000 It's just about victims.

00:51:23.000 It's just about weaponizing sensitivity, weaponizing victimization, whether it's Sandy Hook or George Floyd or the Holocaust.

00:51:37.000 Don't you dare ask questions because what if you hurt people's feelings? 1.00

00:51:42.000 You're a monster, you're a bully, you're a nasty person. 1.00

00:51:49.000 You're wrong. 1.00

00:51:50.000 No, I'm not.

00:51:50.000 Here's why.

00:51:51.000 Now you're hurting everybody's feelings, and now you're defaming people.

00:51:56.000 Now we're going to sue you for $3 trillion.

00:51:58.000 Why they're now suing you for it.

00:52:00.000 And my question for you is, do you understand the pain that sometimes your comments can cause?

00:52:05.000 See? 1.00

00:52:06.000 Fuck that! 1.00

00:52:07.000 You understand the pain your comments can cause? 1.00

00:52:10.000 We live in a... We live in the world.

00:52:13.000 We live in a society.

00:52:15.000 We cannot not have important discussions because of sensitivity.

00:52:21.000 Which, by the way, the sensitivity is a conditioned response.

00:52:25.000 When he says, your comments are hurting people's feelings, that sensitivity is a conditioned, programmed response by the media.

00:52:37.000 There are a lot of things that cause hurt feelings.

00:52:39.000 So many things cause hurt feelings.

00:52:42.000 And there are things that should cause hurt feelings.

00:52:47.000 But we only hone in on and focus in on that and draw attention to it when it's things that the media doesn't want us to talk about, that the powerful don't want us to talk about.

00:52:57.000 And I know I'm, you know, this is not really necessarily groundbreaking stuff, but it's important to break out of the, to stop being manipulated and break the cycle to recognize the emotional manipulation at work.

00:53:11.000 That's all, they always go to, these are the new words, they say hurt,

00:53:16.000 Harm.

00:53:17.000 Harm is a big one.

00:53:18.000 You hear this a lot.

00:53:18.000 They talk about harm, harm prevention, and causes harm.

00:53:23.000 There's this new, like, sociology vocabulary that all these faggots use now, where they say hurt, and harm, and trauma, and all these kinds of things. 1.00

00:53:35.000 Instead of using words like, you know, certainty, and truth, and veracity, and... Instead of talking about the strength, 0.98

00:53:45.000 Like this circumstance with George Floyd's family.

00:53:46.000 Now I'm gonna ask you a question again.

00:54:15.000 With my imagination, if you see, when you see in the documentary that George Floyd's two roommates said, he said, they want a tall guy like me, they want a tall guy like me, and that he prayed extra long on the day of his passing, where do you think that takes my beautiful mind?

00:54:35.000 I think it can take you to a place where you want to believe something which may not be true.

00:54:41.000 I'm not saying it's not, I'm just saying all the evidence points... You didn't answer it.

00:54:44.000 Well, I'm giving you an honest answer.

00:54:45.000 You didn't answer it.

00:54:46.000 My honest answer is I think that they... That wasn't honest, that was a...

00:54:50.000 That was a political... No, my honest belief, my honest belief is... Hey, what do you guys do?

00:54:56.000 I mean, people in the newsroom, what are they doing?

00:54:58.000 They're like cringing right now?

00:54:59.000 They're like, whoa, we never experienced this before.

00:55:03.000 We never experienced a black entertainer that won't be threatened by the media to back down from his opinion. 1.00

00:55:12.000 Yeah, I think you misstate me.

00:55:13.000 You misstate me for somebody who's going to be like the others.

00:55:16.000 I have a show called Uncensored for a reason.

00:55:18.000 I'm giving you a platform for a reason.

00:55:20.000 But you're pressing an agenda.

00:55:22.000 No, no, I'm not.

00:55:23.000 You're perfectly entitled to your opinions.

00:55:25.000 You're pressing your agenda.

00:55:26.000 You're lying now.

00:55:27.000 Do you accept you may not always be right? 0.98

00:55:29.000 I just called you a liar.

00:55:32.000 How does that make you feel? 0.97

00:55:33.000 That's fine if you think I'm a liar.

00:55:34.000 That's fine. 1.00

00:55:37.000 No, you're a liar. 0.88

00:55:38.000 You're pressing the agenda of the pain and trauma and trauma economy that is pressed on my people by the left. 0.99

00:55:49.000 Actually, the trauma I think that was implemented to George Floyd was from a vile, white, racist police officer who kneed him to his death.

00:55:59.000 And I agree with the coroner's findings because I don't see any reason why the coroner would invent that.

00:56:04.000 So that's my belief.

00:56:05.000 If you want to challenge that and you don't believe it, that's entirely your right.

00:56:08.000 I have a question. 0.97

00:56:11.000 Who do you think are the biggest vile, white, racist? 0.97

00:56:16.000 The media. 0.97

00:56:18.000 You think the media's racist?

00:56:19.000 I like how he asks, who do you think are the biggest racists?

00:56:25.000 The media.

00:56:28.000 Asks it and answers it.

00:56:31.000 I was going to say something about...

00:56:35.000 Oh yeah, you know they always do this trick where they say, well I'm giving you a platform so you're not really censored.

00:56:43.000 Do you really believe in your heart of hearts that the purpose of this interview, the purpose of getting gay on the platform,

00:56:51.000 is to allow him to address this?

00:56:55.000 Do you think that there's any scenario where Piers is going to allow the conversation to go in a direction where Piers is going to change his mind?

00:57:05.000 Or where the show is going to be perceived as being sympathetic or positive towards Ye?

00:57:12.000 They always do this.

00:57:14.000 But whenever they give you a platform, it's always just about guilt tripping and browbeating

00:57:21.000 Like this.

00:57:22.000 Pushing this, well what about the victims?

00:57:25.000 Won't engage with what Ye is saying.

00:57:27.000 Won't engage with the counter-argument.

00:57:30.000 But just this constant pushing of, you're given to delusion.

00:57:36.000 You're giving yourself over to believe something that's not true.

00:57:39.000 I'm not even going to engage with that.

00:57:42.000 No, I haven't seen the documentary.

00:57:44.000 No, I don't even care what's in it.

00:57:46.000 You're telling me what's in it?

00:57:47.000 I'm not even going to engage with that.

00:57:49.000 I'm going to pretend like I didn't hear it.

00:57:51.000 What do I think about that?

00:57:53.000 I think you're trying to believe something that I've already presumed isn't true.

00:57:57.000 What do you think about all the harm and suffering you're causing?

00:58:02.000 It's just like straight-up mind control.

00:58:04.000 It always is.

00:58:05.000 These platforms are not there, and Piers Morgan is the king of this.

00:58:09.000 They are not there to give a fair hearing.

00:58:11.000 They are not there for anybody to be sympathetic to the person that is on the receiving end.

00:58:17.000 They are there to reinforce the whatever, the canceling, the particular narrative that they want to push.

00:58:30.000 And that's always how it goes.

00:58:32.000 The person in this role is never open-minded.

00:58:35.000 And they'll always say, well, I'm trying to ask tough questions.

00:58:40.000 It's not tough questions.

00:58:41.000 Tough questions are reasonable.

00:58:43.000 Tough questions are reasonable questions that a reasonable person would ask.

00:58:48.000 And if there's a reasonable answer, they'll engage with a reasonable answer.

00:58:52.000 This is not a tough question.

00:58:53.000 This is the battering ram.

00:58:59.000 Which is completely one-sided.

00:59:02.000 Asking tough questions doesn't mean that you're not going to accept an acceptable answer, that you're unwilling to engage with or accept a reasonable answer.

00:59:14.000 I would understand if peers were playing devil's advocate and asking that and said, oh okay, well let's explore that, let's go into that.

00:59:23.000 But you see, the whole approach is dismissive.

00:59:26.000 Oh, I didn't watch that documentary.

00:59:27.000 Anyway... Oh, uh, I don't care what you just said.

00:59:31.000 Anyway, I'm gonna ask my first question again.

00:59:35.000 You can't ask me questions.

00:59:36.000 Anyway... And it's just about swatting that down and just reinforcing the frame.

00:59:43.000 Let's bring it back to the frame I like.

00:59:45.000 How about all the people's feelings you hurt?

00:59:48.000 What about that George Floyd prayed and said they want a big guy?

00:59:52.000 Yeah, I don't care about any of that.

00:59:53.000 Anyway, let's go back to the first question.

00:59:56.000 How about all the people's feelings you're hurting?

01:00:01.000 That's not tough questions.

01:00:03.000 That's not holding somebody accountable.

01:00:05.000 That's pressing an agenda.

01:00:08.000 That's being insistent on framing the conversation in a certain way and disarming Ye with charm and pretending to be friendly and saying, oh yeah, you're funny, oh sure, you're such a genius, oh yeah, you're like Capote.

01:00:24.000 Anyway, tell me about all the people's feelings you're hurting and how you believe things that aren't true.

01:00:30.000 And I'm just gonna dismiss everything you say.

01:00:32.000 Even though you're a genius, I'm just gonna dismiss everything you say and not really take it seriously.

01:00:37.000 It's so dishonest.

01:00:41.000 What?

01:00:42.000 Please, next question. 0.94

01:00:44.000 Please don't ask me any retarded questions. 0.99

01:00:47.000 Let me go to the next furore, which has been around you in the last couple of weeks, which is your attacks. 0.78

01:00:54.000 Is that British for theory?

01:00:58.000 Is that British for theory?

01:01:01.000 What's theory, bro?

01:01:03.000 Is that British for theory?

01:01:04.000 You actually have quite a good British accent.

01:01:09.000 Let me ask you, if I can, about the allegations that you have made anti-Semitic comments.

01:01:15.000 And in particular, when you said on Instagram, I'm a bit sleepy tonight, but when I wake up, I'm going DEFCON 3 on Jewish people. 0.98

01:01:22.000 Now, many people who are Jewish found that deeply offensive.

01:01:26.000 They wanted to know, what did you mean by going DEFCON 3 on Jewish people?

01:01:31.000 Because DEFCON 3, as you know, is a heightened state of awareness for military action.

01:01:36.000 So, what did you mean by that?

01:01:38.000 Here's your chance to clarify what you meant by DEFCON 3 on Jewish people.

01:01:48.000 Well, thank you for allowing me to say what I meant due to the fact that I was blocked by Jewish people after I said that. 1.00

01:01:58.000 I wasn't actually allowed to say what I was about to say.

01:02:03.000 But what I was going to say is, I was going to talk about all of the contracts

01:02:10.000 All of the misdealings that I dealt with as an entertainer, being that I'm an entertainer, I've been wronged so many times by Jewish businessmen. 1.00

01:02:23.000 And the reason why I say people, if a black man is caught in the car with drugs or a gun, 0.55

01:02:31.000 And there's three other black guys in the car with him. 0.98

01:02:33.000 Guess what? 0.98

01:02:34.000 They're all going to jail.

01:02:36.000 So the reason why I say people is, I want those businessmen's wives and fathers, mothers, grandmothers, and kids to ask them, why is Ye so mad?

01:02:48.000 I don't

01:03:06.000 If you look at a picture of her at age 14, this person is beautiful, like one of the most beautiful people that God has ever created, right?

01:03:17.000 And if any man did her wrong at a young age, she would get to the point where maybe she would

01:03:25.000 You've heard that terminology, right?

01:03:27.000 So I'm at a point where I'm frustrated, I have the right to my anger, and I'm saying that people need to fix it.

01:03:36.000 I'm not going to fix what I feel until what I'm feeling is fixed.

01:03:41.000 You're not just going to shut me up and say... No, I'm not going to shut you up.

01:03:44.000 Can I respond to what you just said? 0.98

01:03:48.000 My problem with what you've said, I'll be straight with you, is if I, as a white man, posted tomorrow on my Instagram, I'm a bit sleepy tonight but when I wake up I'm going DEATH CON 3 on black people, what would you think? 1.00

01:04:02.000 Do you? 0.99

01:04:03.000 No, no, if I said black people, what would you think?

01:04:06.000 If that was what I posted. 0.79

01:04:07.000 Well, did you accept that black people, you accepted that black people are Jew?

01:04:11.000 No, no, no.

01:04:12.000 I'll come to that in a moment.

01:04:14.000 On the specific though, if I simply said, in other words, all black people, was the implication of what I said, I would get rightly cancelled, I would get rightly vilified and abused.

01:04:25.000 You, I suspect, would be outraged by a white person saying such a thing, because you wouldn't make any distinction about whether I was talking about certain black business people I'd fallen out with or whatever.

01:04:36.000 You would think I was judging an entire populace by the colour of their skin.

01:04:40.000 You are, by saying Jewish people, on Jewish people, you're not saying Jewish businessmen, accountants, whatever, that you've had a problem with.

01:04:49.000 You're basically saying in that statement, all Jewish people, which is why it caused such offence.

01:04:54.000 And I'm curious whether you even, as you wrote those words, understood what Jewish people actually would feel when you said that, and didn't make any specific references to any individuals.

01:05:08.000 Maybe they would feel how all my people have felt. 0.97

01:05:12.000 Maybe they would feel the pain of when a black artist looks up and they've completely been raped by five Jewish businessmen. 0.99

01:05:24.000 And there's multiple accounts of this happening. 0.99

01:05:26.000 Why does the fact that they're Jewish have anything to do with it? 0.99

01:05:28.000 Maybe they would feel like that.

01:05:30.000 But why would you say again?

01:05:31.000 It just so happens they are.

01:05:32.000 Well, OK, but I wouldn't... Why categorise them according to their religious faith, their ethnicity?

01:05:39.000 Why would you do that?

01:05:40.000 Why can't you just describe them as business people that you've dealt with?

01:05:44.000 That's fine, but what you're doing by saying Jewish people, these constant tirades, yay, against Jewish people...

01:05:51.000 Wait, why are you calling it a tirade?

01:05:52.000 That sounds like you haven't... I think it's a tirade.

01:05:55.000 Where's the tirade?

01:05:56.000 That was just... That was a tweet.

01:05:57.000 It was a tweet.

01:05:58.000 It's not just a tweet, is it?

01:05:59.000 And you asked me to explain it.

01:06:01.000 And that... Have you felt my pain yet?

01:06:04.000 You haven't felt my pain.

01:06:05.000 I've... You don't want to feel my pain.

01:06:07.000 I'm just... No, hang on.

01:06:07.000 You don't hold accounta... La, la, la, la, la.

01:06:10.000 You don't hold accountability.

01:06:12.000 To my pain, you're being a Karen.

01:06:14.000 I'm talking about my own accountability to the pain.

01:06:17.000 I'm not a Karen and I'm not going to cancel you and I'm not going to uncensor you.

01:06:20.000 I'm simply going to challenge you on what you're saying.

01:06:24.000 I think you don't understand the pain that you've been causing with some of these comments and I think that one in particular I can understand.

01:06:30.000 Oh my God!

01:06:31.000 God forbid, God forbid one comment could cause

01:06:37.000 It is so true when he says, uh, I'm not on a tirade, that's always what, it's always those weasel words, that's always how they get you, where they go,

01:07:07.000 You're on a rant!

01:07:08.000 You're on a tirade!

01:07:12.000 He put out three tweets or three posts.

01:07:15.000 The Instagram post and two tweets.

01:07:18.000 Tirade!

01:07:19.000 Tirade?

01:07:21.000 And that's how they get ya.

01:07:22.000 It's true. 0.99

01:07:23.000 Deplorable, shameful, unacceptable, and thank God the world is beginning to move to a better place about the way it has treated black people like you. 1.00

01:07:32.000 However, however, one form of racism doesn't justify another. 0.98

01:07:37.000 One form of racism doesn't justify another.

01:07:40.000 I'm not cutting you off, I'm finishing my sentence so you can respond.

01:07:43.000 One form of racism, one form of racism, it is racism when you say I'm going deaf-blind for hearing Jewish people.

01:07:50.000 That's racism!

01:07:51.000 No it's not!

01:07:54.000 It is!

01:07:55.000 I thought you had a platform where I could explain how I felt.

01:07:59.000 You don't care about how I feel, you just want to shut me up.

01:08:02.000 You don't want me to say out loud what my people have been going through.

01:08:05.000 I do.

01:08:06.000 Or do you?

01:08:07.000 I do.

01:08:07.000 I'm very happy to do that.

01:08:08.000 So what have my people have been going through?

01:08:10.000 What led me to that point?

01:08:14.000 What led me, a person, a successful, influential, extremely attractive person, to get to that point?

01:08:26.000 I am not doubting for a moment that you will feel genuine pain about the racism against you and other black people in America.

01:08:35.000 Not for one second would I deny that.

01:08:38.000 Racism by who?

01:08:39.000 Racism by who?

01:08:40.000 By anybody.

01:08:41.000 I think any form of racism is wrong.

01:08:43.000 Any form of racism is wrong.

01:08:45.000 I didn't say Def Con on anybody though.

01:08:48.000 Let's go.

01:08:48.000 Oh, given the fallout...

01:09:10.000 What's with the fallout?

01:09:11.000 Do you care about the hurt you cause Jewish people? 1.00

01:09:14.000 What fallout?

01:09:15.000 Well, you were removed from social media.

01:09:18.000 Wait a second, you're not allowing me to talk, Chris.

01:09:24.000 Oh, I thought it was the same person.

01:09:30.000 He's American, I'm British.

01:09:40.000 So the thing is, I want to bring joy to the world.

01:09:45.000 I'm a composer, right?

01:09:47.000 And this is a symphony.

01:09:48.000 Our life is a symphony.

01:09:49.000 We have so many beautiful ideas, but I feel the anti-Semite has been a wall, a cloak, that allows Jewish businessmen

01:09:59.000 Boom.

01:10:00.000 I'll only be the police officer that says, hey, this guy with the gun is the only person going to jail.

01:10:07.000 I'll be the first person that does that in history, right?

01:10:10.000 So look, no one else in this car riding with the guy with the gun and the drugs is going to jail.

01:10:17.000 Are you happy?

01:10:18.000 I'll play by rules that are not played by for my people.

01:10:21.000 Just for the sake of this conversation, right?

01:10:24.000 I don't want you playing by any... That makes you happy, right?

01:10:26.000 I don't want you to say things just to make me happy.

01:10:28.000 That's what colonizers do, is give us rules.

01:10:31.000 I'm not trying to colonize you.

01:10:32.000 That's what colonizers do, is give us rules.

01:10:33.000 I'm not trying to colonize you.

01:10:33.000 I'm not trying to censor you.

01:10:35.000 All I'm saying to you is, when you use a phrase, yay, like, I'm going death-con-free on Jewish people... Did you hear what I just said, though? 1.00

01:10:42.000 Yes, I did.

01:10:43.000 We're past that.

01:10:43.000 We're past that in conversation.

01:10:44.000 Hang on.

01:10:45.000 We're not past it.

01:10:45.000 Did you hear what I just said?

01:10:47.000 We're not past it unless you prepare to- Are you happy that I said I'll focus on- Let me explain what I- Let me explain.

01:10:51.000 Are you happy that I said- I know.

01:10:53.000 I heard what you- Woah, brother!

01:10:55.000 Why are you talking over me?

01:10:57.000 Yay?

01:10:57.000 Let me get- Why- Let me respond.

01:10:59.000 Yay?

01:11:00.000 Chris?

01:11:00.000 Yay?

01:11:01.000 I'm Chris.

01:11:02.000 Let's respond.

01:11:03.000 Let me respond, right?

01:11:04.000 I'm simply saying what you've just said is not what you said on your Instagram post, and you know it, right?

01:11:10.000 If you have a problem with particular businessmen who happen to be Jewish, that is a concern for you!

01:11:13.000 And you know it!

01:11:14.000 And you know it!

01:11:15.000 And you know it!

01:11:16.000 And you know it!

01:11:17.000 And you know it!

01:11:18.000 And you know it!

01:11:19.000 And you know it!

01:11:20.000 And you know it!

01:11:21.000 And you know it!

01:11:22.000 And you know it!

01:11:23.000 And you know it!

01:11:24.000 And you know it!

01:11:25.000 And you know it!

01:11:25.000 And

01:11:26.000 I was in a position where I've been hurt, and this is the way I had the right to express myself.

01:11:32.000 The point of this interview is for you to question me, and then for me to answer and say, okay, even though the same rules do not apply to my people, if a person with a gun or drugs is pulled over and has four, three other people in the car, they're all going to jail.

01:11:48.000 I'm not going to apply that to Jewish people for the sake of this conversation.

01:11:52.000 Isn't that what you wanted?

01:11:54.000 But you know what you did?

01:11:55.000 You tried to civil rights me.

01:11:56.000 You tried to pull me back to a week ago.

01:11:59.000 But we're here today.

01:12:01.000 There's been plenty of conversations and commentary since that.

01:12:05.000 But you want me to go back to 1960.

01:12:07.000 You want me to go back to seven days ago.

01:12:09.000 Alright, let me jump in.

01:12:11.000 Here's what I want you to do.

01:12:12.000 I want you to reflect... Okay, so have we grown?

01:12:14.000 Have we grown?

01:12:14.000 Here's how we grow, yeah.

01:12:16.000 Here's how we grow.

01:12:18.000 I want you to reflect... No, have we grown?

01:12:20.000 Have we grown?

01:12:20.000 You're not in charge of my growth.

01:12:22.000 You're not in charge of my growth, Chris.

01:12:24.000 But here's how we grow.

01:12:26.000 I'm about to suggest to you how you may grow if you choose to grow this way.

01:12:31.000 And you can ignore me.

01:12:32.000 You can ignore me.

01:12:34.000 Pierce, how much money are you worth?

01:12:37.000 Not as much as you, sadly.

01:12:40.000 Exactly, so take my advice, maybe you'll get richer.

01:12:43.000 I would love to take your business advice.

01:12:45.000 Why would I listen to you?

01:12:46.000 Why don't you hear what my advice is and then work out if I'm wrong?

01:12:51.000 Can we do that deal?

01:12:52.000 You haven't given me any credit or a moment of reflection for the comparison that I made, the brilliant, if I do say so myself, comparison that I made to the cops pulling over one black person and locking everyone up. 0.59

01:13:07.000 I understand what you're saying.

01:13:08.000 Having issues.

01:13:09.000 Wait a second, I wasn't done with the sentence.

01:13:12.000 La la la.

01:13:13.000 My tweet, referring to all Jewish people, I said, for the sake of this conversation, I will refer to the business people who have destroyed me and my people and my fellow creatives. 0.99

01:13:26.000 But you didn't even accept that I gave you that.

01:13:28.000 You tried to push me back into 1960.

01:13:30.000 No, I didn't.

01:13:31.000 You tried to push me back into last week.

01:13:34.000 No, I didn't.

01:13:34.000 Okay, do you accept that example that I gave you?

01:13:37.000 I understand completely the example you gave me.

01:13:40.000 I think all racism is wrong.

01:13:41.000 So I just feel that we've grown.

01:13:43.000 I would like you to reflect... I feel we've grown.

01:13:45.000 Do you feel we've grown?

01:13:46.000 If you've now changed what you wanted to say originally, my question for you is, do you now regret saying... I update every day.

01:13:54.000 ...death gone free on Jewish people?

01:13:55.000 Are you sorry you said that?

01:13:56.000 No.

01:13:57.000 I think it matters.

01:13:59.000 You should be.

01:13:59.000 Absolutely not.

01:14:00.000 You should be.

01:14:01.000 Absolutely not.

01:14:02.000 Yeah, but yeah, you should be.

01:14:03.000 Absolutely not.

01:14:05.000 Are the people... See, and that's...

01:14:08.000 This is what it's about.

01:14:11.000 I want to give you a platform to express yourself and respond.

01:14:15.000 You need to apologize.

01:14:16.000 You should feel bad.

01:14:18.000 You need to apologize about what you said.

01:14:20.000 Wait a minute.

01:14:20.000 You said last week, I demand an apology.

01:14:22.000 You need to feel sorry. 0.99

01:14:24.000 Jewish businessmen that led me to that place, are they sorry for the way they've raped my people? 1.00

01:14:29.000 I don't know who you're talking about in particular, but I don't know why you keep having to say... And then it's always, oh, I don't know what you're talking about. 0.96

01:14:35.000 I don't know what you're talking about.

01:14:36.000 I'm not even... You know, because Ye says, aren't you interested in what got me to this point and who did this to me?

01:14:41.000 The Jewish people that did this to me? 1.00

01:14:43.000 Totally dismissed.

01:14:45.000 Not part of the narrative.

01:14:46.000 Not part of the frame.

01:14:48.000 Yeah, just forget that.

01:14:50.000 What is the fact that they're Jewish got to do with anything?

01:14:52.000 Why do you keep doing that?

01:14:53.000 What do you mean?

01:14:54.000 They're the Jewish businessmen that did that. 0.86

01:14:56.000 They're business people.

01:14:57.000 That's what they did.

01:14:58.000 Why do you keep saying Jewish business people?

01:15:00.000 Why do you keep using their religion, their ethnicity?

01:15:04.000 Why do you keep doing that?

01:15:05.000 Let me update it then.

01:15:06.000 Okay.

01:15:07.000 Okay, so I'll say this. 0.98

01:15:09.000 Would it be, would I have grown into the box you want me to go on if I say to specify the business people that have raped my people that just so happen to be Jewish? 0.80

01:15:24.000 By doing what you've just done, I find that I'm not even Jewish and I find that offensive. 0.70

01:15:28.000 Why do you keep having to do that?

01:15:30.000 I don't think you get it at all.

01:15:31.000 I don't think you understand the offence you're causing when you keep using their religious background, their ethnicity, as a stick to beat them with.

01:15:40.000 Why would you do that?

01:15:42.000 So what are you more concerned about?

01:15:44.000 Getting the richest black man of all time to kowtow? 0.54

01:15:48.000 Because it's not gonna happen.

01:15:49.000 I don't want you to kowtow. 1.00

01:15:50.000 You can do what the hell you like. 1.00

01:15:51.000 You're gay. 1.00

01:15:52.000 You're a billionaire. 1.00

01:15:53.000 You can do what the hell you want.

01:15:54.000 I'm just saying to you that I don't think you quite understand.

01:15:58.000 When you talk about... Okay.

01:16:00.000 Can I finish?

01:16:01.000 It's not, uh, multi... multi... You're a multi-billionaire.

01:16:04.000 Okay, well, congratulations.

01:16:05.000 But that doesn't change the fact that when you insult the Jewish people and say you're going death-torn free on the Jewish people, that is as racist as anything you say you've been through and any pain that you've experienced.

01:16:15.000 It's the same thing.

01:16:16.000 Racism is racism.

01:16:19.000 And you know that, I think, don't you?

01:16:24.000 Yeah, obviously.

01:16:24.000 That's why I said it.

01:16:27.000 So you said it knowing it's racist?

01:16:31.000 Yes.

01:16:32.000 I fought fire with fire.

01:16:34.000 I'm not here to get hosed down.

01:16:35.000 At least that's honest.

01:16:36.000 It's a different type of freedom fighter.

01:16:37.000 That's honest.

01:16:38.000 Alright.

01:16:38.000 You were racist because you knew it was racist but you decided to do that because people have been racist to you.

01:16:44.000 Is that your position?

01:16:45.000 No.

01:16:47.000 First of all, I can't... What is the beginning?

01:16:49.000 Read the whole tweet.

01:16:52.000 I'm sure you have it in front of you.

01:16:53.000 Somebody in your office has it.

01:16:55.000 Get him a coffee and a yay tweet!

01:16:58.000 What do you want to know?

01:16:59.000 The whole tweet?

01:17:02.000 I want you to read it out loud, sir.

01:17:03.000 I'm a bit sleepy tonight, but when I wake up, I'm going DEFCON 3 on Jewish people. 1.00

01:17:07.000 The funny thing is, I actually can't be anti-Semitic because black people are actually Jew.

01:17:11.000 Also, you guys are toying with me and trying to blackball anyone who opposes your agenda.

01:17:16.000 That was the exact tweet.

01:17:19.000 I like reading that whole thing.

01:17:21.000 I can't be anti-Semite.

01:17:23.000 I love Jewish people.

01:17:24.000 I work with Jewish people.

01:17:25.000 Yo, watch this.

01:17:26.000 Watch this.

01:17:27.000 Some of my best friends are Jewish.

01:17:29.000 Right.

01:17:30.000 So you know how that sounds.

01:17:30.000 How many times have you heard that statement?

01:17:32.000 Of course.

01:17:33.000 Of course.

01:17:34.000 Wait, wait, have we ever heard that term before?

01:17:38.000 Some of my, but the funny thing is they are.

01:17:41.000 I work with Dove Charney that got kicked out of his company out of American Apparel.

01:17:47.000 I work with this guy every day.

01:17:49.000 He's like my twin.

01:17:51.000 He's one of my favorite people.

01:17:53.000 We're gonna open up all of the music industry contracts, all of the publishing deals, all of the athlete deals, all of the acting deals, all of the mortgages.

01:18:16.000 Of course I'll be judged by that because when people come into power

01:18:46.000 People get judged.

01:18:47.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:18:48.000 There's nobody that gets judged more than a straight, white male.

01:18:53.000 The straight, white male has the least amount of a platform to even speak.

01:18:59.000 A straight, white male can't say, my wife hurt me today. 0.88

01:19:02.000 Because people will say, well, you're hurting women. 1.00

01:19:04.000 A straight, white male can't say, hey, a black employee didn't come in to work on time. 0.98

01:19:10.000 Because then people will say, you're racist. 0.97

01:19:13.000 White male can't speak on a homosexual person because they'll say you're homophobic. 0.69

01:19:20.000 And so I empathize with the position of the straight white male.

01:19:27.000 Our guy.

01:19:27.000 And part of the reason why I empathize with that position is because I know that I'm headed to that position.

01:19:35.000 And what position that is?

01:19:37.000 Top power position.

01:19:39.000 Okay.

01:19:39.000 That's the top power position where you get all the rocks thrown.

01:19:43.000 That's the thing.

01:19:44.000 I have friends, right, that will like, you know, actually that's the reason why I'm going to be a good leader someday because I'm really empathetic. 0.91

01:19:53.000 But I call black people out on their stuff. 1.00

01:19:56.000 I call white people out on their stuff because we're all people.

01:20:00.000 We're actually only one species.

01:20:02.000 And in order to whether it's my friends texting me like bro you got to get in the gym you're looking chubby in the photo you know it's like we have to hold each other accountable to what's actually happening and it's so much is based on you did that tweet wrong so what I will say is

01:20:19.000 I feel that my words demand more sensitivity for the frequency that I'm operating at and the amount of people that I'm communicating to.

01:20:30.000 And I take that responsibility right now.

01:20:33.000 But I will also say everything happens for a reason.

01:20:36.000 Because if it had been perfectly worded in English,

01:20:41.000 Because there's nothing whiter than English itself, right?

01:20:44.000 I'm already not speaking in my mother tongue, right?

01:20:46.000 So, if I had perfectly worded it in the most sensitive way, then we wouldn't be here right now.

01:20:54.000 Now we're opening up the conversation.

01:20:56.000 I'm not allowed to say whether or not I'm running for office in 2024, but I'll tell you what, if the left, let's say the left,

01:21:04.000 The left would have never supported me anyway.

01:21:08.000 And now I've got to call to attention, I am who you should support.

01:21:13.000 The left did not allow Trump to be president.

01:21:16.000 They treated him like he wasn't even the president.

01:21:19.000 So even then he won, he was losing half of the American people every day and it divided the country.

01:21:26.000 What I'm saying, whoever goes into office for British media, for American media, we must support our leaders.

01:21:35.000 And not just run this hyper-negative—you know what I will—and black people hate when I apologize for this. 0.97

01:21:41.000 When I see people like John Legend and Chrissy Teigen talk down on the president, I'm like, wow, that kind of sounds like me.

01:21:49.000 That kind of sounds like the telethon.

01:21:51.000 I opened up this level of disrespect towards our leaders and people were happy.

01:21:58.000 Ah, and the left saw that and say, well, let's just have every celebrity do what Ye did at the telethon.

01:22:04.000 So I take responsibility for that moment.

01:22:07.000 I just want to give every Jewish person

01:22:07.000 And you know what?

01:22:10.000 A big hug.

01:22:12.000 Also, I'm envious of the Jewish people. 0.99

01:22:14.000 I'm envious of how they don't abort their children.

01:22:17.000 I'm envious of how they don't shoot each other in the streets and then rap about it.

01:22:21.000 I'm envious of how their families stay together.

01:22:24.000 I'm envious that they turn their phones off on Friday night and the family comes together.

01:22:28.000 I'm envious of how they do business together.

01:22:30.000 And I want that for the darker Jews. 1.00

01:22:32.000 I want that for the black people. 0.99

01:22:34.000 I want that.

01:22:35.000 We need that.

01:22:36.000 God said we should remove the word want, right?

01:22:38.000 We're gonna have that.

01:22:39.000 And this is the beginning of it.

01:22:41.000 But it seems to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that you are acknowledging, as you've just acknowledged that it was wrong to say what you said about President Bush when he said he doesn't care about black people, and that may have encouraged all this disrespect towards presidents since.

01:22:54.000 I think it's an interesting point you made.

01:22:56.000 It does seem to me, Ye, talking to you, that even if it's hard for you to admit this, that you do regret the wording of that tweet which caused all the problems, and you wouldn't phrase it that way again.

01:23:07.000 Am I right?

01:23:09.000 I would tell my dad that.

01:23:11.000 My dad loved the White Lives Matter t-shirt because what audacity does a black man have to wear the exact same t-shirt that a white man could wear? 0.90

01:23:22.000 You know, and my dad was a Black Panther.

01:23:25.000 I mean, we have a water purification center.

01:23:28.000 You know, he's like the original Steve Jobs.

01:23:31.000 He's the educated version of me, right?

01:23:33.000 And he liked

01:23:35.000 Both of those things.

01:23:36.000 But he said, you know, yeah, he even calls me now.

01:23:39.000 He's like, yeah, you've got to be more sophisticated with your wording.

01:23:45.000 And that wording, like I said, I'm a bit sleepy and it lacked the sophistication needed

01:23:53.000 To be the true conductor that I am.

01:23:56.000 Because it's the conductor's job to bring people together.

01:24:00.000 And that was divisive.

01:24:02.000 Right.

01:24:02.000 Which is not who I want to be.

01:24:04.000 Right.

01:24:04.000 So we... You know, so I'll tell you that.

01:24:06.000 I'm not looking... And also, let me... Well, sounds like you agree... Sounds like you agree with me.

01:24:11.000 Do you agree with me then?

01:24:13.000 I want to, I want to talk, okay, let me, let me say that I'm just thinking right now what's on my heart is the idea for people who do actually have severe mental health issues, you know, the word retarded for, you know, there's parents that have children who actually are mentally ill and that word

01:24:35.000 is really offensive.

01:24:38.000 Right.

01:24:38.000 To those people.

01:24:39.000 So why are you there?

01:24:40.000 And, and just because, yeah, just because I was, I was feeling, um, uh, uh, well, it's a couple of reasons.

01:24:52.000 Because people call me retarded. 0.56

01:24:54.000 They treat me like I'm retarded. 0.95

01:24:57.000 Uh, and so I embrace it. 0.99

01:24:59.000 It's like, you call somebody an a** so much, they say, I'm a**. 1.00

01:25:03.000 You call somebody a bitch so much, they say, I'm a bitch. 1.00

01:25:05.000 You call somebody a retarded so much, you say, I'm retarded. 1.00

01:25:08.000 Like, I was exhausted, and I embraced the idea of having a serious mental health issue.

01:25:18.000 But Noah, I mean, not Noah, Noah also, but Moses was basically on speed when he was doing what he did.

01:25:26.000 Let me ask you, yeah, I mean, look, out of interest, out of interest, how much sleep do you get at night?

01:25:35.000 I'm not here to talk about how much sleep I get.

01:25:38.000 I don't owe you that.

01:25:39.000 You've literally just been talking about... How much sleep do you get at night?

01:25:42.000 I had about five and a half hours last night, actually.

01:25:45.000 Not very much.

01:25:47.000 But you're the one that's raised this issue.

01:25:49.000 And I probably had the same.

01:25:50.000 Right.

01:25:51.000 My question is only because... I probably had the same, but what... It's only because you've been talking about you don't believe you have a mental illness.

01:25:56.000 You think it's lack of sleep.

01:25:57.000 So I think it's an obvious question to ask, well, how much sleep do you get?

01:26:00.000 Are you constantly sleep deprived?

01:26:02.000 Is that one of the reasons perhaps sometimes, as you say, you feel sleepy and you shoot from the hip verbally and you say stuff that maybe when you're rested, you wouldn't say it the same way.

01:26:12.000 Would that be fair?

01:26:14.000 Tell me what's...

01:26:16.000 Okay, no, it's not fair because what's more important?

01:26:21.000 The pain and the truth of what I'm talking about and what led me to that tweet or the tweet itself?

01:26:27.000 I think both can be true.

01:26:30.000 The problem you have is, I think you've acknowledged that the wording of the tweet was offensive.

01:26:36.000 Yes, I understand, but you know the damage it caused.

01:26:39.000 I understand that that was offensive.

01:26:41.000 And I think that you have accepted that you probably shouldn't have phrased it that way.

01:26:46.000 No, you as a white person are so stuck on the idea that what I said was offensive, which is a very Karen approach.

01:26:57.000 You're not sticking on the fact, you have not unpacked what happened with those contracts.

01:27:03.000 I've said that, but you didn't ask me another question about it.

01:27:06.000 That means there's an agenda inside of your platform.

01:27:09.000 Absolutely not.

01:27:09.000 I have repeatedly said to you,

01:27:11.000 I'm sure, I do not disbelieve that you've had contract business issues with various managers, accountants and so on.

01:27:19.000 My argument is that when you do... Just me?

01:27:21.000 Or other me's?

01:27:23.000 I'm sure many other artists in the music business.

01:27:25.000 Yeah, of course.

01:27:26.000 You know why you're sure?

01:27:28.000 Because you don't care to do the research because it doesn't affect you.

01:27:31.000 No, it's because you said... Have you done any research?

01:27:34.000 No.

01:27:34.000 Yeah, let me explain to you.

01:27:36.000 I'm not doubting what you're saying.

01:27:37.000 You don't care.

01:27:38.000 I do care.

01:27:39.000 You don't care about me.

01:27:40.000 You don't care about my people.

01:27:43.000 I care about me.

01:27:44.000 I care about my people.

01:27:45.000 So as for me to stand up, and God forbid, I step on someone's toes while I'm at it.

01:27:50.000 It's not someone's toes.

01:27:51.000 You stepped on... That's so... Dude.

01:27:55.000 He's our guy, man.

01:27:56.000 He just...

01:28:01.000 I mean he says it in such and and it's he doesn't even say it in an extremely technical way but he's so articulate at the same time saying kind of what I said earlier which is

01:28:17.000 One, hung up on regret, remorse, the hurt you caused, the hurt feelings.

01:28:22.000 Here we are, we're like 30 minutes, 30 minutes stuck on, admit it, you hurt their feelings, okay, so you regret it, you regret it, right?

01:28:30.000 It's like a struggle session.

01:28:32.000 And Ye kind of gave him what he wanted, he reflected on it.

01:28:35.000 During this interview, just over the past 15 or 20 minutes, he said, well, it was divisive and he said it was, um,

01:28:45.000 It was maybe lack the sophistication of somebody that wants to be a leader.

01:28:48.000 He goes, so maybe I wouldn't have said it that way, and blah blah blah.

01:28:54.000 And Pierce is hung up on, but you hurt people's feelings, you hurt people's feelings, and all this.

01:29:00.000 And yeah, he's right.

01:29:00.000 That is a very white thing.

01:29:02.000 That is a very white Karen thing.

01:29:03.000 It's true.

01:29:06.000 And also,

01:29:09.000 He's not interested in any other dimension of the conversation, to say, you know, what did he mean by Jewish businessmen?

01:29:17.000 We're not even, that part of the conversation, like I said, is just being dismissed.

01:29:21.000 Not interested in that.

01:29:23.000 Not interested in it, and didn't research it, like Yeh said, didn't look into it, because it doesn't concern him.

01:29:29.000 And it's true. 0.56

01:29:30.000 Do you think Pierce cares about Yeh, or do you think he cares about enforcing some kind of, again, an agenda, or a particular attitude?

01:29:44.000 And when Ye said, I'm here to fight for my people, I care about me, I care about my people, I don't care about stepping on toes, that's Trump, that's Ye, that's me, that's anybody over the past six years that's been called a certain name or something for trying to tell the truth.

01:30:02.000 It's not about hate, it's not about malice, it's not about trying to go out there and make people feel bad.

01:30:09.000 It's about telling the truth in an environment which we're all aware of with these social pressures.

01:30:17.000 And if it's not phrased in a perfectly sensitive way, then people get hung up on the remorse.

01:30:24.000 Uninterested in the meaning.

01:30:26.000 Uninterested in the meaning behind the message.

01:30:29.000 So, very well said.

01:30:30.000 We love Ye.

01:30:31.000 He's a man.

01:30:33.000 ...on the entire Jewish people's toes, with a very deeply inflammatory tweet, which I think you've now accepted you shouldn't have phrased that way.

01:30:40.000 It's taken a bit of time to get there, but I think you've accepted that, right?

01:30:45.000 Have you accepted that you've put no effort into understanding how I got there?

01:30:53.000 I don't think, I don't think, honestly, honestly, I don't think there is any, no I'm not, I'm not, no I'm not, because here's the thing, I don't doubt you have, no it's not, no it's not, oh come on, yay, don't,

01:31:13.000 It's not white-sided.

01:31:15.000 I'm not doubting you've had business issues.

01:31:17.000 I'm saying the way to respond to that is not to go public to millions of people and say you're going DEF CON 3 on Jewish people.

01:31:26.000 Millions of people have had DEF CON 3 on their contracts.

01:31:29.000 You didn't say that.

01:31:33.000 Millions of people.

01:31:34.000 Well, I opened it up.

01:31:35.000 Now, I didn't, but now I'm saying it now.

01:31:37.000 Okay, so now what I think you should say, I think you should say to the Jewish people, I'm sorry for the offensive language I used in that tweet.

01:31:45.000 I wouldn't do that again.

01:31:47.000 This is what I really meant.

01:31:48.000 I think people would respect you if you said that.

01:31:50.000 I don't know why you can't just say that.

01:31:51.000 You know what I'll say it?

01:31:57.000 When I sit down with the people who write out the contracts for the NBA and for the NFL and for professional music and for acting contracts, we need to go to the top lawyers, the top execs, the owners of the stadiums, the owners of the football teams, and the owners of the record labels, and we're going to put them all in one room, and we're going to read every

01:32:20.000 Let's go top 10 in each one of these categories, right?

01:32:23.000 Let's read Michael B. Jordan's contract.

01:32:25.000 Okay, but why would any of that?

01:32:26.000 Okay, but why would any of that?

01:32:28.000 Why would any of that?

01:32:28.000 Bro!

01:32:29.000 Hey, bro!

01:32:29.000 Hey, hey, bro!

01:32:30.000 I ain't finished!

01:32:31.000 I ain't finished my sentence.

01:32:32.000 I didn't finish my brilliant idea.

01:32:33.000 Nothing you're saying has anything to do with... Hey, boy!

01:32:36.000 Hey, boy!

01:32:37.000 Hey, boy!

01:32:37.000 Don't call me boy!

01:32:38.000 Don't finish what I told you.

01:32:41.000 Don't treat me like a boy then.

01:32:42.000 I'm gonna finish my sentence and my idea.

01:32:44.000 Nothing you're saying has got anything to do with the tweet.

01:32:46.000 You're not, okay?

01:32:47.000 Cool.

01:32:50.000 Bro, I was in the middle of a sentence, boy.

01:32:52.000 Okay, so I thought you were going to laugh.

01:32:56.000 So awesome, dude.

01:32:58.000 I like how Pierce gets mad.

01:33:00.000 The media's not used to being treated like that. 1.00

01:33:02.000 The media's... Look at this fucking face. 1.00

01:33:05.000 Right? 1.00

01:33:05.000 Look at the seethe. 1.00

01:33:06.000 That's a seething face.

01:33:09.000 He's trying to hold it in.

01:33:10.000 He's trying to hold it in. 1.00

01:33:12.000 Fuck the media. 1.00

01:33:13.000 Because this is how they act. 1.00

01:33:16.000 They do that.

01:33:16.000 They bully you.

01:33:17.000 They push you around.

01:33:18.000 They're insincere.

01:33:19.000 They lie to your face. 1.00

01:33:22.000 And then they treat you like a bitch. 1.00

01:33:27.000 And if you give it back, they get all offended. 1.00

01:33:29.000 What about civility?

01:33:31.000 That's awesome.

01:33:32.000 He goes, Ayo!

01:33:35.000 Ayo! 0.99

01:33:35.000 I ain't finished! 0.99

01:33:37.000 That's awesome.

01:33:38.000 Allow me to finish my sentence?

01:33:41.000 Yes.

01:33:43.000 If you then answer my question.

01:33:46.000 Okay, so I'm going to tell people when I would apologize for the tweet.

01:33:50.000 This is what has to happen first.

01:33:53.000 I need all of the top executives in Hollywood.

01:33:58.000 I need the top executives at the NBA and at the NFL.

01:34:01.000 We'll do those two sports specifically.

01:34:04.000 And I want the top executives in music dealing with publishing, dealing with like Spotify and Apple Music and Universal Music and all the top execs.

01:34:17.000 Let's do like five top execs there.

01:34:19.000 And I want to look at the top 10

01:34:22.000 Earners in each one of those fields contracts openly.

01:34:26.000 We want to compare and contrast the contracts and then once we open that conversation and we need to do it on a platform live with lawyers asking questions and we'll and we'll have the top lawyers like a Johnny Cochran Robert Kardashian level legal team, you know looking at all of these contracts together after that moment happens, then I

01:34:51.000 I will say I'm sorry.

01:34:55.000 Okay, if that's your position.

01:34:58.000 Interview adjourned.

01:35:00.000 Love you.

01:35:02.000 Okay, that's the end of the interview.

01:35:12.000 I mean, I just get the feeling from you.

01:35:14.000 So what happened?

01:35:15.000 What is this now?

01:35:20.000 Did he come back?

01:35:24.000 I guess he came back?

01:35:26.000 That's funny.

01:35:28.000 ...character.

01:35:29.000 Brilliant in many ways.

01:35:31.000 Fascinating, like I say.

01:35:32.000 Compelling.

01:35:34.000 You have a huge appeal to millions of people around the world.

01:35:37.000 It just seems to me that occasionally your mouth gets you into trouble and that perhaps on reflection sometimes you look back and wish you hadn't said things.

01:35:45.000 Is that accurate?

01:35:47.000 That's what Paul Gosar said about me, isn't that right?

01:35:50.000 That's what Paul Gosar said about me, which was kind of not a nice thing to say.

01:35:56.000 Didn't he say that?

01:36:05.000 He's got a... He's got a problem with his mouth.

01:36:10.000 Didn't Paul Gosar say that about me?

01:36:13.000 The representative?

01:36:18.000 You can't even find it.

01:36:20.000 Oh, here it is.

01:36:38.000 Nick's got a problem with his mouth.

01:36:41.000 Said Paul Gosar.

01:36:42.000 The young people are being misled.

01:36:45.000 We should try to mentor.

01:36:46.000 You're not gonna mentor me.

01:36:48.000 I've given up on dealing with him.

01:36:50.000 He's got a problem with his mouth.

01:36:51.000 Yeah, that was offensive.

01:36:54.000 I was very insulted by that remark.

01:36:56.000 But it's just kind of funny to hear it from peers and then hear it from Paul in the same way.

01:37:01.000 Kind of funny.

01:37:03.000 Nah.

01:37:04.000 Not really.

01:37:07.000 Because...

01:37:09.000 The things I say are on behalf of God.

01:37:14.000 Like, it's not always Godly, because I'm a man, but God is definitely using me.

01:37:21.000 You're Catholic faith?

01:37:23.000 What's your background?

01:37:24.000 I am Catholic, yeah.

01:37:29.000 Well, we're working for God here, and it's just like with black people now, with entertainment, we're coming into wealth, but all the other 0.99

01:37:38.000 You know, black people with anywhere near my amount of wealth. 1.00

01:37:46.000 Would never cross the lines of, you know, taboos inside of the media that I would, that actually we used to in rap.

01:37:55.000 All these words, we used to say these, so it's all these like words that are being removed from our vocabulary, words that evoke emotion.

01:38:04.000 Don't you feel like the salt is being taken out of our food?

01:38:09.000 You know, look at Dune.

01:38:10.000 The people who control the salt controlled all the money.

01:38:13.000 And people are trying to control the salt and it's salt in our language.

01:38:18.000 That's why I'm I will not apologize for having a bit of salt in my words.

01:38:27.000 I will say hey, this can be improved on but it's like hey, look, I'm an update you're looking at.

01:38:34.000 The God's iPhone 100.

01:38:38.000 We are God's iPhone, right?

01:38:40.000 If you think about it, we're his favorite creation.

01:38:43.000 We were made in his image and we need updates and society capitalism media and thought police have been stopping us from our updates.

01:38:57.000 We have to have a thought and then we have to

01:39:01.000 Actualize it.

01:39:02.000 I like the word actualize better than execute, because execute's a negative word.

01:39:05.000 We discussed this.

01:39:07.000 We have to actualize.

01:39:08.000 There's so many, think about, you know, for a homosexual kid, age 12 at school, not wanting to say out loud how he felt or feeling like if he said how he felt, he would get bullied.

01:39:25.000 Or what if he said how he felt and then somebody said, you said the way you felt.

01:39:30.000 And what your experience was in the wrong way.

01:39:33.000 Now, you need to apologize.

01:39:35.000 We're fine that you felt that way, but you need to apologize for the way you said it.

01:39:39.000 But just having the courage to do it in the first place would be, you know, that's the thing that needs to be given credit.

01:39:48.000 Like, yeah, you know what?

01:39:49.000 We'll say in these past two weeks, I made a big splash.

01:39:52.000 Because the first time you dive in the deep end, you're not going to look like an Olympic swimmer.

01:39:57.000 But we're going to have to learn how to swim.

01:39:59.000 And I've dived in the deep end.

01:40:02.000 OK.

01:40:02.000 I think I understand what you're saying.

01:40:04.000 Let me ask you about your family, Yeh.

01:40:06.000 Lots of speculation, of course, constantly.

01:40:10.000 If you understand what I'm saying, could you translate what I'm saying?

01:40:14.000 Yes.

01:40:15.000 I want you to translate what I said.

01:40:17.000 And then let's move on to the next question.

01:40:18.000 OK.

01:40:19.000 Let me attempt to translate.

01:40:20.000 What did I mean by that?

01:40:21.000 I think what she meant was that you are not afraid to ruffle feathers.

01:40:26.000 You're not afraid to cause trouble where you feel it's justified.

01:40:29.000 You're not afraid to call people out who you think deserve to be called out.

01:40:33.000 But then occasionally,

01:40:35.000 That's not what he said!

01:40:58.000 Do you think that we can move forward as a civilization without there being any offense?

01:41:05.000 Because one person's truth can be the other person's lie.

01:41:09.000 I think it entirely depends.

01:41:12.000 Honestly, part of me wants to say yes to that but I do think there is a line and we should all be mindful of the line and the line to me is I don't think any form of racism or perceived racism should ever be tolerated.

01:41:25.000 Perceived racism?

01:41:26.000 I don't think that is free speech.

01:41:27.000 Do you understand that perceived racism is anything that has to do with race?

01:41:34.000 Racism is already overly broad and subjective.

01:41:37.000 Perceived racism is literally infinite.

01:41:41.000 That means you just can't talk about people.

01:41:44.000 As long as there are people, and as long as they are in different races, they take the form of different races, then you cannot talk about human beings without crossing the line of perceived racism.

01:42:00.000 Barely racism, but perceived racism even more. 0.81

01:42:05.000 What a goof. 0.94

01:42:08.000 The question is, can you move society forward without offending people?

01:42:12.000 No!

01:42:13.000 You can't!

01:42:15.000 It is impossible.

01:42:16.000 That's a yes or no question, by the way.

01:42:18.000 How could you move society forward without offending people?

01:42:24.000 And then he says, well, no, but there's a line somewhere, and the line is, I would draw the line of racism.

01:42:30.000 Why?

01:42:31.000 What is perceived racism?

01:42:36.000 Literally anything could be perceived as racism.

01:42:40.000 How can you talk about slavery without being perceived as a racist on either end?

01:42:51.000 We have to talk about it.

01:42:52.000 We have to talk about the dynamics between groups.

01:42:55.000 We have to talk about the history of the groups.

01:43:00.000 How can you talk about the state of things, which is the state of peoples,

01:43:06.000 You know, you can't then make any value statements at all about the group behavior or disparities.

01:43:13.000 Even if you were to say, like, black people are underperforming, that could be perceived as racist.

01:43:18.000 Can we not say that? 0.54

01:43:20.000 Unreal.

01:43:21.000 But that is ultimately what these therapeutic liberals believe, is that we can move society forward without hurting anyone's feelings.

01:43:29.000 Ever.

01:43:29.000 It's just hate speech.

01:43:30.000 And I think one of the problems with what you said about the Jewish people was the more generic way that you phrased that sentence.

01:43:36.000 People didn't understand you were talking about specific business people you'd have a problem with.

01:43:41.000 They thought you genuinely meant you were going DEFCON 3 on all Jewish people.

01:43:44.000 No we didn't.

01:43:45.000 And they took that to be a blatant form of anti-Semitism.

01:43:48.000 I didn't just explain!

01:44:09.000 But what I really mean is, I don't want it to be settled.

01:44:12.000 I don't want, I don't want, I don't want to be forgiven by Jewish people until we get to what the problem really is. 1.00

01:44:23.000 I don't want, you know, like Elon, he got on Twitter, he said, I talked to Ye, he took it to heart.

01:44:29.000 And I liked my boy standing up for me, but I was like, but the fight isn't done though.

01:44:36.000 Everybody, white media, left media, they just want to squash the fight.

01:44:41.000 They want to keep the pain of George Floyd going, right, but they don't want the pain of our representatives.

01:44:50.000 What did Elon Musk say to you about the tweet, out of interest?

01:45:01.000 It's vague to me right now.

01:45:02.000 I don't want to misquote him.

01:45:04.000 What was the general point of what he was saying?

01:45:12.000 It's vague to me.

01:45:13.000 It's truly vague to me.

01:45:14.000 You know, I'm an honest person.

01:45:15.000 I'll tell you what it was.

01:45:16.000 What I keep on saying, it's just always about this tweet.

01:45:19.000 It's so much more.

01:45:21.000 If you look back at this interview and it's like a direction arrow, it's more in the direction of fixing the statement than fixing the problem.

01:45:31.000 And that's my problem.

01:45:32.000 I understand.

01:45:33.000 But I would say to that, I think they're two different things.

01:45:36.000 And you can fix both, actually.

01:45:38.000 And I accept that part of what you were trying to do and the point you were trying to

01:45:42.000 Okay.

01:45:43.000 He says, well we could do both.

01:45:44.000 Okay, but it's one hour of you're pushing your agenda.

01:45:47.000 They always do this. 1.00

01:45:49.000 They always just fucking lie. 1.00

01:45:51.000 I hate that. 1.00

01:45:52.000 I hate the journalists and these minders and handlers.

01:45:57.000 They always do this weasel stuff where, because that is like such an eloquent way to say it,

01:46:03.000 And he's right.

01:46:04.000 Rather than get to the bottom of it, rather than, let's talk about it, let's just cards on the table, what did you mean by it, what do you mean Jewish businessman, what's in the contracts, what oppression are you talking about, etc, etc.

01:46:17.000 Let's talk about it.

01:46:18.000 It's hung up on, are you sorry, are you sorry, are you sorry, the tweet, the tweet, what you said, this is what people thought about what you said.

01:46:28.000 And then Ye calls him out and, you know, so he's meta, you know, he's in it, commenting on the interview in the interview.

01:46:35.000 And Pierce goes, well, we could talk about both.

01:46:38.000 Are you really interested in both?

01:46:39.000 Or are you clearly just interested in one aspect of it?

01:46:43.000 But that's what they always do.

01:46:45.000 Hollow words, insincere.

01:46:48.000 That's why I hate them.

01:46:50.000 It's not because they disagree.

01:46:51.000 I don't hate people that disagree with me.

01:46:54.000 I really don't.

01:46:56.000 The people that I hate are not the people that disagree with me.

01:47:00.000 They're not the people that think that George Floyd died because of the cop.

01:47:05.000 They're not the people that think Jews aren't really in power.

01:47:08.000 It's the people that are so insincere and refuse to even entertain and make an effort at properly understanding what we're saying.

01:47:21.000 Because they don't care about us.

01:47:22.000 And they don't care about what we have to say.

01:47:30.000 That's the worst part.

01:47:33.000 And that's Pierce this entire time.

01:47:35.000 Like, I'm gonna be your friend, I'm giving you a platform.

01:47:38.000 We can talk about that. 1.00

01:47:40.000 But first, shut the fuck up and apologize, bitch. 1.00

01:47:45.000 And I'll interrupt you and, you know. 1.00

01:47:48.000 We can talk about both.

01:47:49.000 Well, are you really interested in both or are you just saying that to

01:47:55.000 We're good to go.

01:48:14.000 Move the conversation along so that he can regain his position and continue the offensive.

01:48:20.000 Continue drilling him.

01:48:22.000 That's what they always do.

01:48:24.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, we could talk about both.

01:48:26.000 Anyway, apologize.

01:48:27.000 Anyway, back to the statement. 1.00

01:48:32.000 And that's why you have to be an asshole. 1.00

01:48:33.000 That's why you have to be disagreeable. 1.00

01:48:38.000 Like when Ye calls him boy and makes it awkward and interrupts him and throws him off his balance.

01:48:43.000 That's what that is.

01:48:44.000 You kind of have to be... You have to be disagreeable.

01:48:48.000 Because even though Piers is being polite, what he's doing is very hostile.

01:48:53.000 Even though Piers is being civil and polite, he is hostile.

01:48:58.000 And he is treating Ye like an adversary.

01:49:02.000 It's adversarial.

01:49:04.000 And this is how they prey on good-hearted people like Ye or Trump or whoever, Alex Jones, Tucker, me.

01:49:13.000 They play on your agreeableness.

01:49:15.000 They play on your good faith that you look at the interviewer and say, Hey, how are you doing?

01:49:19.000 Yeah, well, this is what I meant by it.

01:49:20.000 And you know, I just want to be understood.

01:49:23.000 And that's they prey on your agreeableness.

01:49:26.000 That's why you can't act like these people are your friends.

01:49:29.000 You gotta treat them like they're enemies, because they are.

01:49:33.000 That's how they're treating you.

01:49:34.000 They're putting on a charm offensive.

01:49:38.000 They're waging a war on you, and part of the tactic is to be charming.

01:49:43.000 Part of the tactic is to charm you, to placate you.

01:49:49.000 And so that's why you need to put your walls up and realize it's meant to disarm.

01:49:53.000 That's why you have to put your walls up and realize you're in a hostile, you're in a threat environment.

01:50:01.000 So... I completely understand it because you've explained it in more detail.

01:50:06.000 On Elon Musk, there is a suggestion that when he gets control of Twitter, which seems likely now, that he will bring you back, he'll bring Donald Trump back.

01:50:14.000 Do you think that would be right?

01:50:19.000 It'll be lit.

01:50:22.000 Do you think it's wrong that you and Trump have been banned from these platforms?

01:50:29.000 Actually I was talking to Trump a couple days ago and he was like, I'm not gonna do his voice right, but he was saying

01:50:39.000 You know, I had 277 million followers and the next day I had nothing.

01:50:44.000 And that related to, you know, Mark Zuckerberg meta.

01:50:49.000 You know, Mark Zuckerberg thinks he is the government.

01:50:55.000 These tech companies feel they're more powerful.

01:50:59.000 And I would say...

01:51:14.000 Listen, I agree with you and I'll tell you why.

01:51:16.000 I think it's completely inconsistent that companies like Facebook and Twitter allow people like the Ayatollah of Iran, for example, to remain on the platform, or Taliban people to be on the platform, but they don't allow an American president.

01:51:32.000 That seems to me completely ludicrous.

01:51:35.000 Is that the issue at hand? 0.71

01:51:37.000 Is the inconsistency?

01:51:38.000 Think about what he's saying.

01:51:41.000 The problem is the inconsistency that some leaders are allowed, but not others.

01:51:46.000 So if Twitter banned the Ayatollah and the Taliban, then it would be okay? 0.95

01:51:51.000 Or is the problem about the relative influence of private enterprise in America over the public, over the government?

01:52:01.000 And I'm going to say I'm going to simp a little bit for the government.

01:52:05.000 The government as an institution should be supreme because the government represents or should represent the public, particularly in America.

01:52:15.000 Private interest is private or corporate, it's individuals.

01:52:24.000 The government is representative, in theory,

01:52:28.000 And should be, and should be made to align with this.

01:52:31.000 The government is representative of all, of the public, of the sovereign people, the nation of America.

01:52:40.000 The government should be supreme.

01:52:43.000 Not to say the government should dominate private enterprise, but it should be able to.

01:52:48.000 The government should be supreme over private enterprise.

01:52:53.000 The government should be supreme over

01:52:57.000 Corporate and private matters, at least in terms of its jurisdiction.

01:53:04.000 Not to say that it should wield that all the time or in a domineering or heavy-handed way, but that's what Ye is talking about is how insane is it that the tech company is more powerful than the elected president, than the executive, the chief executive,

01:53:24.000 We're good to go?

01:53:33.000 would outmatch the elected government, the head of government, the head of state of the Republican, Constitutional, Federal, National government.

01:53:43.000 That's what's wrong here.

01:53:45.000 And Piers jumps in and says, I agree. 1.00

01:53:47.000 They're totally hypocritical. 0.99

01:53:49.000 That's not the issue at hand. 0.99

01:53:51.000 Piers jumps in, I agree. 0.99

01:53:53.000 They're being hypocritical. 0.96

01:53:55.000 That's not the problem. 0.93

01:54:08.000 So anyway...

01:54:12.000 Yes, and this is part of the 100-year plan that they have books on about, you know, China's takeover of America after losing the Industrial Revolution.

01:54:28.000 Now, let's talk about business people.

01:54:30.000 We won't refer to their race.

01:54:33.000 And by the way, I'll tell you, as a Jew person, a person that has a lot of Jewish friends, it's not a race, it's a people.

01:54:40.000 Right.

01:54:41.000 And every Jewish homeboy I know is going to be like, yo, yeah, that's right. 0.87

01:54:49.000 But it's hard to attract, it's hard to influence patriotism on capitalists.

01:54:59.000 And it's a responsibility for us as Americans to retake our power in media,

01:55:07.000 To retake our power in our schools, to retake our power in our farms, to retake our power in our medicine, in our hospitals, to revitalize the country.

01:55:18.000 Because America invented rock and roll at the end of the day.

01:55:24.000 We have the inventions.

01:55:27.000 America created Apple.

01:55:28.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:55:29.000 Like, we created the platforms that the world

01:55:32.000 Uh, that the world runs on now, and we've allowed the business people in these companies to sell us, and whatever the term is, sell them in a handbag, whatever it is, for cheap.

01:55:44.000 And Americans are God-fearing, for the most part, God-fearing Christian people, and we're not cheap, and we can't be sold for cheap, and we're here to stand up

01:55:56.000 And say, you gotta honour who we are, our families.

01:56:00.000 You gotta honour our God, Jesus Christ.

01:56:03.000 Let's go!

01:56:04.000 Next subject, next subject.

01:56:05.000 Can I ask you something?

01:56:07.000 Let me ask you something else.

01:56:08.000 I want to ask you about your family.

01:56:10.000 Because you mentioned families there.

01:56:12.000 A lot of stuff has been written about you and your family.

01:56:15.000 A lot of it fuelled by you, by Kim, by others.

01:56:20.000 Where are things now with your family?

01:56:22.000 What is your relationship like with Kim, with your kids?

01:56:28.000 Uh uh Kim has Zionist media handlers surrounding her all in and out her Hulu TV show all in and out her her family all in and out the house that I created for my family but God is alive

01:56:51.000 The devil is a defeated foe and Kim is a Christian woman and she's not here just to have content up on adult channels. 0.83

01:56:59.000 She's not here just to have that last interview magazine cover.

01:57:04.000 If you look at the two interview magazine covers, look at the one when I was there and look at the one when I'm not there and that's the reason why this Tuskegee experiment of such that's happened to the black community 1.00

01:57:16.000 Where they took the fathers out of the home and the leaders out of the community and have torn apart the community.

01:57:24.000 Now they've seen that's worked and they're doing that to America.

01:57:27.000 They're attempting, they're trying.

01:57:29.000 I mean that interview, the interview magazine cover you're talking about I think is the one where she was basically semi-naked in front of the American flag and I thought that was pretty distasteful actually. 0.88

01:57:40.000 It was about the American dream and I thought well if that's the American dream we're all screwed.

01:57:44.000 I mean in America. 0.74

01:57:48.000 And I agree with that.

01:57:49.000 And I didn't feel the platform to voice my opinion because I want to... It's always like, hey, this is your kid's mother.

01:57:58.000 But it's time where the leader's like, I'm still the priest of that home, Chris.

01:58:02.000 I'm still the priest of that home.

01:58:05.000 They want to make it this matriarch society, all that. 1.00

01:58:08.000 But I am the priest of this home and God is alive.

01:58:11.000 I am the living Robert Kardashian.

01:58:14.000 And I'm going to stand up for what God would want as a Christian.

01:58:19.000 And then people say as a Christian, Oh, you're not supposed to curse.

01:58:22.000 You're not supposed to have righteous indignation.

01:58:24.000 But I do.

01:58:25.000 You know, Christians had swords also. 0.94

01:58:27.000 Christians got guns. 0.99

01:58:28.000 I tell you that.

01:58:29.000 You know, so I'm going to stand up for what I believe in.

01:58:43.000 I mean, John Legend is distancing himself from me and buying more Christmas sweaters in the middle of the spring also, so I'm not saying that, you know, they're making the right decisions.

01:58:54.000 She's being influenced, you know, but I guarantee you what's not finna happen, we not finna see her in one of them John Legend Christmas sweaters no time soon.

01:59:03.000 But do you talk to her?

01:59:04.000 Are you still in touch with her?

01:59:05.000 Wait a second, don't you think it's like, don't you think it's like funny to like make a joke out of stuff sometimes?

01:59:10.000 Don't you think like God has a sense of humor?

01:59:12.000 Of course!

01:59:13.000 But watch this, God, God, when I got married I bought this house, I like, you know what I'm saying, I did this tour and spent all the money I had on this house to like surprise Kim and give her this house that she wanted, that Lisa Marie Presley used to own.

01:59:28.000 And then I got the house, and then I put all this money into renovation, and then there goes the neighborhood.

01:59:36.000 Drake moves down the street five blocks, and that's when I knew God was funny.

01:59:41.000 But watch, this is where God is even funnier.

01:59:43.000 Here goes like Louis C.K.

01:59:45.000 Part 2 level, because Louis C.K.

01:59:47.000 is the funniest man alive.

01:59:49.000 Uncancel him now, right?

01:59:51.000 So, the... And he was funnier before he's canceled, because all he would do is type of jokes that you'd get canceled on, right?

01:59:58.000 So, uh... Uh, so, um, I got an office in, you know, outside of Crenshaw, like, in an opportunity zone.

02:00:09.000 And this office, 57,000-square-foot office, is the one that Tucker Carlson came to visit me at.

02:00:14.000 And I look out the window, and whose office is being built?

02:00:18.000 A brand-new one.

02:00:19.000 The Skims office!

02:00:21.000 It's like, who's writing this stuff?

02:00:23.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:00:24.000 Like, God is funny.

02:00:26.000 So that's the thing.

02:00:27.000 We always got to be like, we got to be funny.

02:00:30.000 We got to have a sense of humor, like, you know.

02:00:33.000 But yeah, let me ask you, let me ask you.

02:00:35.000 There's a lot.

02:00:36.000 But are you, are you sad that you're getting divorced?

02:00:39.000 Are you sad the relationship came to an end?

02:00:47.000 That happened two years ago.

02:00:48.000 We got divorced two years ago.

02:00:54.000 Are you sad that you're no longer together?

02:00:57.000 That you're divorced?

02:01:02.000 We'll always be together.

02:01:07.000 She dresses exactly like me.

02:01:09.000 What do you mean?

02:01:09.000 Like, my kids are me.

02:01:10.000 You know, there's no person that you'll ever get with that will influence her more than God and then her priest on Earth, which is me.

02:01:22.000 You know, whether it's the Skims clothing line, the designers, the architects, all those people.

02:01:28.000 You got the Clintons, the left, utilizing what we built together to try to use her as an influence 1.00

02:01:37.000 for the Black culture and the word culture in general for the next elections.

02:01:42.000 They need those 300 million followers from Kylie and Kim on their side going into their election as they push trauma culture to the Black people again, as they claim anything, any of my questions of business dealings to be anti-Semitic comments,

02:02:00.000 And push, you know, Kim to, you know, as a billionaire mother of a lawyer and a mother of four Jew black children. 1.00

02:02:13.000 We're good to go.

02:02:33.000 All right.

02:03:03.000 Music directed at children, inside a content through Disney, on Hulu, which is Disney also, and in so many branded commercials to confuse children and to sexualize our children way too early before they can even make their own decisions about their life.

02:03:21.000 You make some very interesting points again.

02:03:23.000 Just to clarify one thing though, you are actually divorced, are you?

02:03:26.000 Because my understanding was that you weren't actually divorced yet.

02:03:31.000 Do you see again how he just refuses to let the conversation go in a place that he doesn't want it to go?

02:03:38.000 That's what it means when you're pushing an agenda.

02:03:41.000 You know, Ye's talking for 20 minutes about all these different things and it's, uh, were you sad when you got divorced?

02:03:47.000 You are divorced, right?

02:03:50.000 So, what is that, man?

02:03:51.000 That's just straight up... That's straight up pushing an agenda.

02:03:57.000 You know, I ask God the same question some mornings.

02:04:01.000 Am I divorced, God?

02:04:03.000 Am I divorced?

02:04:04.000 Because I may be divorced on paper, but I'm not divorced of the idea of being the protector of not only this person who is so influential.

02:04:15.000 Imagine Kim

02:04:18.000 Making all of her decisions that she does publicly.

02:04:21.000 You know, grown folks business is grown folks business.

02:04:23.000 Never know what could happen with a little sippy sippy or whatever.

02:04:26.000 But, you know, all the decisions that she makes publicly being based on an audience of one.

02:04:33.000 And Pierce, what audience do you think I'm saying that is?

02:04:36.000 Well, you.

02:04:39.000 No, not me.

02:04:40.000 For us, as Christians, right?

02:04:45.000 Who is our audience?

02:04:46.000 We have an audience of one.

02:04:47.000 Well, you mean God?

02:04:50.000 God.

02:04:51.000 So picture this world, envision this world.

02:04:53.000 Here's another one.

02:04:54.000 This is past my whole, this is past what I'm saying about having the heads of the football teams and the basketball teams and the music industry opening up their contracts the way I do, right?

02:05:05.000 Picture the most influential woman on the planet, which is Kim Kardashian, right? 0.97

02:05:14.000 And I got this one thing I want to definitely say in an interview.

02:05:18.000 Picture the most influential person on the planet, the most influential woman on the planet, performing in public only for that audience of one, for God. 0.95

02:05:31.000 Imagine the overwhelmingly positive effect that that will have on the planet and

02:05:39.000 Mark these words, it will happen someday.

02:05:42.000 And I had this thing, I had this like, you know, of course I'm divorced and this is like a funny thing I thought.

02:05:50.000 Being that her name is no longer West,

02:05:55.000 Would you like that?

02:06:23.000 Everything is up to God, and God has proven to me many times that it's not about what I want or what I would like, it's just up to Him on what He sees fit.

02:06:41.000 You know, David had to tend to the sheep.

02:06:43.000 Do you still love Kim?

02:06:50.000 I absolutely love, I'll love her for life.

02:06:54.000 And I will protect, oddly enough, I'll actually protect her.

02:06:58.000 Because when I call out things that I feel are wrong, you know what I'm saying, when I make products, like, say the difference between me and Bernard Arnault, like say, watch, Elon Musk, every product, the reason why Elon Musk is like a Steve Jobs is,

02:07:15.000 If he makes a flamethrower, he would use that flamethrower.

02:07:18.000 If he makes a Cybertruck, he would use that Cybertruck.

02:07:21.000 Me, if I make some 3D printed boots, you know, I'm gonna have the 3D printed boots on.

02:07:29.000 Wow.

02:07:29.000 I love those.

02:07:29.000 And wear them every day.

02:07:30.000 Can I get a pair of those?

02:07:33.000 Absolutely, sir.

02:07:34.000 Tucker liked them also.

02:07:36.000 These boots are a hit.

02:07:37.000 Love those.

02:07:37.000 Yes.

02:07:38.000 They look fantastic.

02:07:40.000 Would you like to one day... Thank you very much, sir.

02:07:42.000 Do you think, given that you've got all these kids together,

02:07:46.000 Would you like one day to get back with Kim, do you think?

02:07:48.000 Do you feel like you've gone through a very tumultuous period, but that actually the love underneath it all, between two people, remains?

02:07:57.000 And would you like to get back together?

02:08:05.000 Those thirst traps still be fire.

02:08:10.000 Is that a yes?

02:08:11.000 Do you understand what I said?

02:08:12.000 Do you understand that language right there?

02:08:13.000 I think so!

02:08:14.000 I think so!

02:08:15.000 You better explain it to me!

02:08:20.000 What do you think those thirst traps still be fire mean?

02:08:22.000 Can you explain that to me?

02:08:24.000 Well, with my rather creative British mind... Explain what those thirst traps still be fire... I would imagine it means... With your creative, brilliant British mind... I would imagine it means you still fancy your ex-wife.

02:08:35.000 Is that right?

02:08:40.000 You know, I would prefer to not be put on this.

02:08:45.000 I would never I would prefer to not be put.

02:08:49.000 On the spot.

02:08:53.000 On these kind of questions, what I could say is.

02:08:57.000 God is a God is alive and he places people he placed David in.

02:09:11.000 God had David tend to the sheep knowing that one day he would prepare him to fight Goliath.

02:09:18.000 So I believe that that day of me fighting Goliath has been this past two weeks.

02:09:26.000 The media is Goliath and there would be no chance of having a civil civilization or civil

02:09:35.000 Uh, democracy in America without me challenging the media two years out from the election.

02:09:42.000 Because this thing that I'm challenging may be setting myself up to one day be able to be president, or it's, uh, maybe for the other president.

02:09:50.000 But regardless, we have to have some decency in America as the thought leaders and the content that we put out.

02:09:58.000 And that's how God is using you now.

02:10:01.000 You keep talking about the media as if somehow it's the media that's created all this furore in the last two weeks.

02:10:06.000 But you have said other things which, in my opinion, the media couldn't ignore.

02:10:11.000 You know, you suggested in your interview with Tucker Carlson that Gap, for example, the clothing wear company, had prior knowledge of the Ivalde shooting, which is obviously completely insane.

02:10:23.000 Why would you say that?

02:10:24.000 And then why would you be surprised if the media then react to it?

02:10:27.000 They're bound to.

02:10:31.000 What I'm saying is that was worded.

02:10:33.000 That might have been worded in a way that the media could take in the wrong way.

02:10:42.000 But I thought it was really interesting the amount of people at Gap.

02:10:47.000 We had a we had a release that was happening and the amount of people at Gap that were rallying around this as a media moment.

02:10:58.000 If they didn't know

02:11:01.000 About that, where there's theories.

02:11:04.000 You can't say that the theories about 9-11 are completely insane.

02:11:09.000 No, that's just the person I am.

02:11:10.000 I'm that kind of person.

02:11:11.000 Well, look, you're perfectly entitled to have theories. 0.63

02:11:13.000 I think most of them are completely insane.

02:11:15.000 But on this specific one, Ye, on Ivalde, you even suggested that Matthew McConaughey, you even suggested that Matthew McConaughey may have, it was all a bit weird that he was speaking so early about it, when in fact he came from Ivalde and spoke very passionately after this atrocity.

02:11:32.000 So, I think people who read these comments are like, what are you talking about?

02:11:37.000 No, okay, so I'm not... What I'm saying is...

02:11:44.000 I definitely feel there was a major media push around that to create trauma and fear culture because the amount of people, and this is not to be in any way, I care about people who have passed away and have lost loved ones.

02:12:02.000 20 kids were shot dead in a classroom.

02:12:05.000 20 children were shot dead.

02:12:08.000 No one in the media is putting any sort of trauma into that.

02:12:10.000 That is the trauma.

02:12:11.000 Well, the 20 kids are killed in school in one mass shooting.

02:12:13.000 As far as I'm aware, it's never happened in your hometown, has it?

02:12:31.000 Yeah, it does.

02:12:33.000 At least 14 kids are killed in Chicago.

02:12:36.000 I didn't finish, I didn't finish.

02:12:38.000 Let's not do this again.

02:12:44.000 At least 14 kids are killed in Chicago every week and there's no media push around it.

02:12:55.000 And that's my issue.

02:12:56.000 When I was at Gap, there was no media push around the killings.

02:13:01.000 In Chicago.

02:13:02.000 And let me explain something.

02:13:04.000 I agree with you.

02:13:06.000 I completely agree.

02:13:07.000 My youngest son has recently been at the University of Chicago for a year.

02:13:10.000 And there were two students shot in that time.

02:13:13.000 I completely agree that there is never enough attention given to all the slaughter from gun violence in Chicago.

02:13:20.000 Completely agree with you.

02:13:21.000 What I can't agree with is any suggestion by anyone at GAP or Matthew McConaughey or anybody else had any prior knowledge of what happened at Ivaldo.

02:13:30.000 Of course they didn't.

02:13:34.000 What I'm saying is, I'm not saying they did, but with the amount of attention that went... Understand, I was jealous, once again.

02:13:42.000 You feel me?

02:13:43.000 I'm jealous that so much attention went in this direction, but doesn't go into the direction of Chicago when the same thing and the same amount of people... That's what you should say.

02:13:56.000 I'm not finished.

02:13:57.000 Yeah, but it comes down to the way you phrase yourself.

02:13:59.000 Bro, hey, hey, I just said it!

02:14:02.000 Like I just said, you're not always going to say the things the right way, but at least I have the bravery to open the conversation.

02:14:09.000 Your first sentence isn't your last sentence.

02:14:12.000 My first rap that I told wasn't my last rap that I told.

02:14:16.000 And now that's the whole point.

02:14:18.000 It's said.

02:14:19.000 Once it's said, accept that it was said.

02:14:21.000 I am the iPhone 20, right?

02:14:23.000 I'm growing.

02:14:24.000 I'm a hybrid.

02:14:25.000 I'm updating.

02:14:27.000 Okay.

02:14:27.000 Yes.

02:14:46.000 I feel, I feel like the George Floyd was a premeditated murder.

02:14:54.000 That's my feeling based off of, and we never got to that in the beginning, but that's my feeling based off of the information I saw in the documentary.

02:15:03.000 I think it was a premeditated murder.

02:15:06.000 I agree, but not for the reason you think.

02:15:08.000 I think it was premeditated in the sense that that policeman didn't give a damn about George Floyd's life, stuck his knee on his neck for eight minutes and killed him.

02:15:15.000 So I know we don't agree about that.

02:15:17.000 I don't want to go back over that.

02:15:19.000 I want to ask you about something different.

02:15:24.000 I think the policeman was involved with it too, but not in the way that you think about it.

02:15:28.000 I think he was involved in a different way.

02:15:31.000 I think he was also part of the setup.

02:15:36.000 Look, we're not going to agree about that.

02:15:39.000 He's been moved!

02:15:41.000 He's been moved!

02:15:42.000 I need you to watch the documentary and we can talk offline and then talk online again. 0.81

02:15:47.000 Because what's not fair is for a white martyr like JFK 0.62

02:15:53.000 To be analysed a hundred different ways, but then for a black martyr like George Floyd, for us to only accept the one way.

02:16:01.000 That's like us only accepting the one way for the black vote.

02:16:04.000 Like I said to you... We have the opportunity to look at it different ways.

02:16:07.000 Like I said to you, you are completely entitled to challenge anything, frankly.

02:16:12.000 And I'm equally entitled to come back to you and say what I think.

02:16:14.000 That's what a democracy is about.

02:16:16.000 Let me ask you before it's too late, I want to ask you one thing about your... No, no, I got...

02:16:20.000 I don't want to keep going back to that same issue.

02:16:22.000 Look at the disparagement right there.

02:16:25.000 But look at the disparagement because I still had an idea.

02:16:28.000 I don't like the word point.

02:16:29.000 I had an idea that you didn't embrace right there.

02:16:32.000 The martyr JFK, we analyzed his death a hundred different ways, right?

02:16:39.000 But with George Floyd, he died that way and then it's white people telling super brilliant successful black people 0.98

02:16:47.000 You, okay, you have the right, you're, it's literally like on some, Black Lives Matter, like, your life matters, like, oh, your idea matters, but then shut up, and we're not gonna go back to it. 0.90

02:16:57.000 No, we're gonna unfold it.

02:16:59.000 I need you to watch that documentary, and I want us to talk line by line.

02:17:05.000 I wanna do, because look, I think that we're a good conversation, and now within the next two years, we need to talk a lot of times, right?

02:17:11.000 I would love to do that.

02:17:12.000 We need to have this kind of thing.

02:17:13.000 Honestly, I would honestly, I honestly.

02:17:14.000 But we should unpack

02:17:16.000 Listen, let me say to you, I've wanted to interview you for years.

02:17:20.000 I genuinely mean it when I say I think you're one of the most brilliant, talented people that I've seen in the public sphere.

02:17:27.000 And you have a lot of fascinating ideas and you're incredibly creative and you're completely entitled to your views.

02:17:34.000 But I'm entitled to mine.

02:17:35.000 And I think we've had some really, really interesting exchanges, actually.

02:17:39.000 I want to just talk to you quickly before we finish about your kids and about you as a father.

02:17:45.000 What kind of

02:17:46.000 Kids, do you want them to be?

02:17:48.000 What kind of values do you want to instill in your children?

02:17:54.000 I want my kids to finish their education.

02:17:57.000 I know that my album was called The College Dropout, but when I look at the way, you know, just like you said, your kids are in the University of Chicago.

02:18:08.000 We need the education.

02:18:09.000 That's another thing to be jealous about.

02:18:12.000 You know, the Muslims have the Koran, right?

02:18:16.000 And Jewish people also have their holy books, but

02:18:23.000 They have the education.

02:18:27.000 And once we have the education and we have the strong black minds, we need to pull them together.

02:18:37.000 There hasn't been

02:18:38.000 We're good to go.

02:18:55.000 As far as a first launch, right?

02:18:57.000 We sold 80,000 sim players back in February and we went off the Apple platform and now we're coming with the next generation that has a projector in it and it's coming with 4,096 movies.

02:19:09.000 I did that because my Amiga computer had 4,096 colors when I was in seventh grade and also you can download films without having to use an Apple product.

02:19:18.000 So I called this guy and we're working on finishing up elements of the deal

02:19:22.000 And he's using emotional bullying and like his shoulders are down.

02:19:26.000 You could tell on the call.

02:19:27.000 He says, well, because of your comments, we're not going to be able to hire people.

02:19:31.000 It's the people that we need.

02:19:34.000 And I said, well, well, how many people do we have working for us?

02:19:37.000 He said 60.

02:19:38.000 And we have 40 part time.

02:19:40.000 I said, well, how many Jewish people do we have?

02:19:42.000 He said, well, I don't know.

02:19:43.000 I don't know.

02:19:44.000 Well, you have some.

02:19:45.000 And I said, well, do we have black people working for you?

02:19:47.000 He said, yeah.

02:19:48.000 I said, how many?

02:19:48.000 He said two.

02:19:50.000 And I said, you're telling me we can't find 60 black engineers?

02:19:55.000 Well, yeah.

02:19:56.000 And see, that's where that comment that got me into so much trouble forced me to look at myself as a black, as the richest black man since Manson Munson, right?

02:20:06.000 With multiple tech companies.

02:20:08.000 And where am I kicking the tires inside of my own company to ensure that I'm hiring my people?

02:20:14.000 Because Chinese people

02:20:16.000 I think so. 0.71

02:20:37.000 I have to go and ensure that I'm hiring the brightest black minds to my black-owned tech company.

02:20:45.000 You know, Kamala is our never again.

02:20:48.000 We're never gonna just hand something over just because we like the way this person looks and we have the emotional connection because she was a Delta and my mom was a Delta.

02:20:57.000 She got 96% of the black female vote.

02:21:00.000 You would have thought Drake was running.

02:21:02.000 And we haven't seen her, really honestly, since.

02:21:06.000 And you know, I want to say something about the left.

02:21:08.000 The left, you guys got to sit with me. 0.99

02:21:10.000 Your current administration that these guys put up, they shit the pot on this one. 0.99

02:21:15.000 They should have got Bernie, but Bernie had too much of a conscience, and so you got a guy with no conscience. 0.98

02:21:22.000 Instead of getting Bernie Sanders, you guys got weakened at Bernie's.

02:21:26.000 And you know,

02:21:28.000 That you don't like where we're at right now.

02:21:30.000 So we got to have a conversation going in.

02:21:33.000 I don't disagree with you about President Biden or Kamala Harris for that matter.

02:21:39.000 Let me ask you about someone we haven't mentioned Vladimir Putin and what he's been doing in Ukraine.

02:21:44.000 What is your view of that?

02:21:49.000 I do not believe in war.

02:21:53.000 And I believe that there is ways that America could have avoided this war.

02:22:01.000 But Biden has money.

02:22:06.000 Biden has reasons for us to be at war right now for selfish reasons.

02:22:12.000 And what I would like to do without giving you too much information, I would like to speak with my political advisors to give you the exact, exact information.

02:22:24.000 I'm not going to, hey, watch this one, Pierce.

02:22:26.000 I'm not going to shoot from the hip on this one, especially talking about war and things as sensitive as Ukraine and the Russian war.

02:22:36.000 No, no.

02:22:37.000 We already got that, um, the R-E-T-A-R-D comment earlier that maybe we could work on that I feel like is going to be massively offensive and I really do... Alright, now that one I do apologize to people that I offended earlier in the interview on that comment.

02:22:52.000 Maybe we could look at scrubbing that if we, if we, if we deem... Well actually, actually I would say, I would say that

02:22:58.000 It's an uncensored interview.

02:23:00.000 You said something which you've now wished you hadn't said and you've apologized.

02:23:04.000 I actually think that says a lot about you, right?

02:23:07.000 That shows you've got that ability to be self-aware, to understand when you cross a line.

02:23:12.000 I think someone like you, with all your energy and creativity and your passion, you're going to say stuff.

02:23:18.000 You know what I think?

02:23:35.000 You know what I think I'll go ahead and do?

02:23:39.000 I feel that I've given the platform... That's like such a... That's like just training you.

02:23:45.000 That's just another form of manipulation and conditioning. 1.00

02:23:49.000 When you act in the way that people like you to act, then they give you praise like you're a fucking dog. 1.00

02:23:56.000 Actually, I think you're... Wow! 1.00

02:23:57.000 I'm so impressed with you!

02:23:59.000 Good job! 1.00

02:24:01.000 You know, the whole interview is a total asshole. 0.99

02:24:05.000 And then he gets the apology he was finally looking for, and then it's, well, good job, little guy, with the patronizing... That's how they get you. 0.99

02:24:15.000 And I think by holding the idea of an apology hostage is not godlike.

02:24:21.000 Correct.

02:24:22.000 I feel like we have to free... Yeah, you know, and I think that's the point that you've been making, and because we sat down and had this conversation, you know,

02:24:32.000 I will say I'm sorry for the people that I hurt with the DEF CON, the confusion that I cause.

02:24:39.000 I feel like I cause hurt and confusion.

02:24:42.000 And I'm sorry for the families of the people that had nothing to do with the trauma that I had been through and that I use my platform where you say hurt people hurt people.

02:24:53.000 And I was hurt.

02:24:55.000 I was frustrated.

02:24:56.000 I was frustrated that Gap hadn't opened stores.

02:24:59.000 I was frustrated that I spent time with a gentleman who I love, love, love, him, his wife, his kids, David Simon, and to open stores.

02:25:08.000 And then he called Bob Martin at Gap and said, I'm not going to open the stores.

02:25:13.000 And I've just been frustrated.

02:25:15.000 I just want to open my widow stores. 1.00

02:25:17.000 And I want to say that it's wrong to hold an apology hostage.

02:25:22.000 And I got to let go of that and free, you know, free myself of the trauma and say, look, I'm just going to give it all up to God right now and say to those families that are hurt, you know, I really want to give you guys a big hug.

02:25:37.000 And I want to, uh, I say, I'm sorry for hurting you in my comments.

02:25:42.000 And I want to word it and not a president, not in like a political way, but in a presidential way, which means what I knew a president to be when I was growing up in a sincere way.

02:25:53.000 You know how people give those kind of, I want to give an apology and you're like, but did you, you know what I'm saying?

02:25:58.000 Like, no, it has to be, I want to go to every person's grandmother,

02:26:05.000 and grandfather and every person's son and daughter aunt and uncle and give them a hug and say you know what i've been hurt and i do want you to talk to your boys i do want you to talk let's go to the people that are in power the people who do own the black voice let's go

02:26:30.000 Let's go! 1.00

02:26:32.000 I want to give all the Jewish, all those people's families a hug and tell them, hey, talk to your fucking Jews that own the Black Voice. 1.00

02:26:44.000 And we're back. 1.00

02:26:45.000 And we're back.

02:26:47.000 We're back.

02:26:49.000 I want to apologize to their families, but seriously, the families need to talk to the Jews that run the media and tell them what's up. 1.00

02:26:57.000 Which a lot of Jewish business people do.

02:27:01.000 I want to be able to sit at the table with the contracts.

02:27:04.000 I want my people to sit at the table with the contracts.

02:27:07.000 I do want all of this, but I'm not going to hold my apology hostage until I get that.

02:27:12.000 I'm going to start by taking accountability for my actions and the lack of sophistication in my wording.

02:27:19.000 Like I said, I was sleepy and it was taken.

02:27:22.000 I was sleepy.

02:27:23.000 In a way that I didn't mean to be taken, it definitely calls some attention.

02:27:27.000 But I don't want the conversation to go away just because I came to you guys and said, you know, I understand how I hurt you and I'm sorry for the pain that I've caused and the confusion that I caused.

02:27:40.000 Now that is saying, right?

02:27:42.000 But I don't want the conversation to go away that we are still in a place where these contracts are still f***ed up. 0.98

02:27:52.000 My people are still getting screwed. 0.92

02:27:55.000 This has to be opened up. 0.97

02:27:57.000 And I'm not asking for a promise.

02:28:00.000 But it would be a beautiful world as I release the pain that I've caused, and the pain that I have in me, that grudge that I was holding, that you guys, some of you guys, one, two of you guys, step up and say, let's look at these contracts.

02:28:15.000 Let's make it not be a known fact that the music industry is treacherous.

02:28:22.000 Because some of my kids do music.

02:28:24.000 I don't want them to step into a treacherous place.

02:28:27.000 I want it to be better for them than it was for me.

02:28:30.000 So I want us to sit down and come together and really work on that.

02:28:33.000 Would that make sense to you, Pierce?

02:28:35.000 You know what, Ye?

02:28:36.000 If you'd simply said that in your tweet, I don't think there would have been any problem.

02:28:40.000 And I'm very, very pleased, actually, that we've got to a place where you felt able to say that.

02:28:45.000 And I think it was sincere.

02:28:47.000 But we still have a problem!

02:28:49.000 That's my point!

02:28:50.000 No, no, I get it.

02:28:51.000 I get it.

02:28:52.000 But what you've now done, you've now explained the context of the problem.

02:28:56.000 And you also issued a sincere apology to people who were rightly offended by the way you phrased what you said.

02:29:01.000 So I think that's a good place to finish the interview.

02:29:05.000 And I'm very glad you got there.

02:29:09.000 Okay, but it's not finished.

02:29:12.000 The idea is not finished.

02:29:14.000 That there's still a problem.

02:29:14.000 I understand.

02:29:16.000 I understand.

02:29:17.000 No one's going to be in any doubt there's a problem.

02:29:19.000 And by the way, I'm sure there is.

02:29:21.000 I'm sure a lot of the contracts in the music business are rigged against people like artists like yourself.

02:29:27.000 I'm sure of it.

02:29:28.000 It's always been the case.

02:29:29.000 From Elvis onwards.

02:29:31.000 I get it.

02:29:32.000 Would you, would you help me and my people?

02:29:35.000 Would you help me and my, my athletes?

02:29:37.000 I got so many athletes that go to my school, that are, like all the guys that are on Donda are headed to the NBA, right?

02:29:45.000 Could you help us make these contracts better for our people by call, calling attention, by just allowing me on your platform, right?

02:29:45.000 Could you help me?

02:29:53.000 And let's look at some of the things and point these things out.

02:29:56.000 Could, could we work together on that over the next couple of years?

02:29:59.000 Very happy to do that.

02:30:00.000 Yeah.

02:30:00.000 Very happy to do that.

02:30:01.000 I think we should talk more after.

02:30:03.000 It's taken a long time to get here.

02:30:04.000 I've thoroughly enjoyed our conversation.

02:30:06.000 It's been two hours.

02:30:08.000 It's been free rolling.

02:30:09.000 It's been occasionally challenging.

02:30:11.000 But we've got to a place where I think it's a good place.

02:30:14.000 And I've really enjoyed it.

02:30:15.000 So thank you very much indeed, Ye, for sparing me the time.

02:30:18.000 All right.

02:30:20.000 You know I'm going to feel like I lost my stone I was holding.

02:30:26.000 Yeah.

02:30:28.000 Yeah.

02:30:29.000 But I had to give it up to God.

02:30:30.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:30:32.000 Yes.

02:30:33.000 You know, you're going to be bragging at dinner tonight like, yo, I talked to Ye. 0.98

02:30:38.000 No one could do it.

02:30:40.000 No one could do it.

02:30:41.000 I did it.

02:30:42.000 And you know,

02:30:45.000 I'm giving you this, and I'm gonna pray that you, as a fellow believer in Christ, will help me to expose all the wrong that's still currently happening to my people, specifically in the entertainment industry, because I'm an entertainer, just to start with.

02:31:02.000 I'm very happy to hold anyone to account who is behaving improperly, honestly.

02:31:08.000 And I'm absolutely certain that that entertainment business is riddled with people who try it on and exploit people.

02:31:15.000 And I would be very happy to help you to expose that.

02:31:19.000 But for now, I've got to leave it.

02:31:20.000 Yay.

02:31:20.000 We've had two hours.

02:31:21.000 It's been remarkable.

02:31:23.000 Thank you very much for your time.

02:31:26.000 Peace.

02:31:29.000 All right.

02:31:31.000 Peace.

02:31:34.000 I like how I kept calling him Chris even throughout.

02:31:39.000 All right.

02:31:40.000 Well, there you go.

02:31:41.000 That's the yay Piers Morgan interview.

02:31:44.000 Yeah, that's fine.

02:31:48.000 That was long.

02:31:57.000 He got what he wanted and then he cut the interview off. 1.00

02:32:01.000 And Piers Morgan's a scumbag. 1.00

02:32:03.000 It's a shame. 1.00

02:32:04.000 That's what they do.

02:32:05.000 They reel you in with these tactics.

02:32:09.000 Oh, you apologized.

02:32:10.000 Good job.

02:32:10.000 Think you got another one in there for me?

02:32:13.000 Okay, sorry for the other thing.

02:32:15.000 Wow, you did it.

02:32:16.000 Thank you.

02:32:17.000 Okay, interview over.

02:32:19.000 That was the interview.

02:32:20.000 It was one hour of demanding that he apologize, and then it was another hour of invasive questions about his family.

02:32:28.000 Until he got what he wanted.

02:32:30.000 That's a struggle.

02:32:31.000 It's literally a struggle session All right So yeah, I don't I would not count on Piers Morgan going out of his way to platform yay and Get those contracts opened But alright, let's take a look at our super chats How about this edit though?

02:32:52.000 I want to keep playing this

02:32:54.000 You guys see this at it?

02:33:27.000 How many runners do you got on call? 0.92

02:33:28.000 All day, n***a. How long they keepin' with call? 0.99

02:33:31.000 All day, n***a. Take you to get this fly? 1.00

02:33:34.000 All day, n***a. Tell your P.O. 1.00

02:33:37.000 how high on your night? 0.98

02:33:39.000 All day, n***a. Nobody know I'm stakin' the shot? 1.00

02:33:45.000 All day, n***a. Stop, stop, stop, stop. 1.00

02:33:49.000 All day, n***a. This shit ain't n***a. 1.00

02:34:12.000 We good to go. 1.00

02:34:43.000 So epic yeah, that's never gonna get old to me

02:35:06.000 You think we could get him at AFFPAC?

02:35:08.000 That would be the dream.

02:35:09.000 Could you imagine if we could give him a platform at AFFPAC 4?

02:35:13.000 Not all day.

02:35:17.000 Talk about all day.

02:35:19.000 Could you imagine Keynote Speaker at AFFPAC 4?

02:35:22.000 We gotta meme that into reality.

02:35:27.000 Yay at AFFPAC 4.

02:35:28.000 AFFPAC 5.

02:35:31.000 That would be nuts.

02:35:33.000 And it seems it seems not impossible anymore.

02:35:35.000 It seems like it would have been a possible a year ago now It seems totally real now.

02:35:39.000 It seems like absolutely possible So we got to make it happen.

02:35:43.000 But all right, let me take a look at our super chats.

02:35:46.000 Let's see what we got here I'll just play these real quick

02:35:56.000 It's a good book.

02:35:56.000 It's a good book, but not really for beginners.

02:35:59.000 Because what Spengler tried to do with that book is create a new field of knowledge, a study of civilizations.

02:36:22.000 Because he's not an historian and he's not a philosopher.

02:36:24.000 He was trying to create a new discipline that was holistic and studied all aspects of a civilization.

02:36:33.000 And in Decline of the West, that's exactly what he does.

02:36:37.000 He describes some of the different civilizations that have existed in a way that other people don't write about.

02:36:45.000 And he talks about a lot of technical things about other disciplines that if you're not already educated to some extent, you're not going to get as much out of it.

02:36:56.000 So like, for example, he talks about architecture, and he talks about cathedrals, and he talks about fine art, he talks about Rembrandt, and he talks about Mozart, and he talks about calculus.

02:37:09.000 and Faust and you're not really gonna get everything out of it if you don't know what Faust is if you don't know Gerta if you don't know if you don't know what calculus is if you don't know what a flying buttress is so I would say that Spengler is definitely a little bit more advanced that's what I would say somebody spamming some do we even have mods in this frickin live chat or what

02:37:39.000 do not spam so yeah mods asleep anyway so I wouldn't I wouldn't recommend it for a beginner but it's a good it's an excellent book Dimitri sent $3 likes dr. Martens wants to shave his head likes utilitarian clothing is Nick becoming a skinhead WTF this is truly the best timeline

02:38:04.000 Well, and he's the only one that even stands a chance because he's just mastered these sophist verbal tricks, you know.

02:38:27.000 Kyle sent three dollars.

America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - October 22, 2022

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