00:18:38.000So, the demographic argument, when you and I got into it, where I think you guys are way off the mark, is that you're assuming race equals votes for Republicans, and by the numbers, electoral math irrefutably proves it doesn't.
00:18:51.000Well, I think it might be a little bit of a misunderstanding because I actually agree 100% with everything you just said.
00:18:57.000And actually, our big criticism of Charlie Kirk is based on understanding these numbers.
00:19:02.000I think Sam Francis, Jira Taylor, Ann Coulter, a lot of these people have been saying for decades that.
00:19:08.000V. Dare talks a lot about this that if you are the GOP and you're targeting white voters, obviously a small increase in the white vote is going to yield big votes.
00:19:17.000It's going to yield a much more favorable outcome as opposed to a drastic increase in the votes from blacks or minority communities.
00:19:25.000By its name, minority, there's less of them.
00:19:29.000But I think the question about demographics, and this is something Charlie Kirk said as well, is he said, well, if whites vote Republican, then why did the, I think it was three out of the five whitest states go for Democrats in the 2016 election?
00:19:41.000I think it's sort of missing the point in the sense that you brought up one of the clips from my show in particular where I said that I would take 3 million illegal immigrants from Europe.
00:19:54.000And so I think the misunderstanding stems from this.
00:19:58.000I didn't mean that like I'm pushing for that to happen.
00:20:02.000I meant that in the sense that when we think about demographics, when we think about our country and we think about who's coming here, to me it matters a lot less if they have their papers than it does.
00:20:14.000And, you know, even if we did bring over European socialists, and even they were in favor of big government, I much prefer big government French, English, German, whatever, than big government Hispanics.
00:20:24.000Frankly, maybe even these, you know, so called natural conservative Hispanics.
00:20:29.000And what would you have to say in response to that if I've cleared that up?
00:20:32.000See, that's where we completely part ways.
00:20:34.000That's where we completely part ways, and I'll tell you why.
00:20:36.000And maybe this stems from coming out of law enforcement.
00:20:40.000I don't look at it through the lens of race, I never have, man.
00:20:43.000I was on the street with, Black cops, Hispanic cops, the bullets coming at you, the bad guys coming at you, they didn't give a shit what race you were.
00:20:53.000And I've watched in Florida in particular, in Florida in particular, Donald Trump is president today because of crossover minority voters.
00:21:02.0001.6%, that was the vote disparity in Florida that put Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton, arguably gave Donald Trump the White House.
00:21:10.000Those weren't white Floridians up in the north, northern part of the state panhandle.
00:21:51.000Where the Democrats have fucked up is where they think that these voters are only identity politic voters.
00:21:58.000We don't need 50, 60, 70% of black voters.
00:22:02.000We need 4%, 5%, 6% to keep this country red forever.
00:22:07.000That's where I think you guys fuck up with your messaging.
00:22:09.000You're alienating people, and you're going to drive these voters back to the Democrats.
00:22:14.000Well, I'll answer the point about Florida.
00:22:16.000I would say, and this is another rebuttal that I've heard from Ben Shapiro in particular and a couple of others.
00:22:23.000Is about the Cubans in Florida or Haitians.
00:22:25.000This is a new one I've heard, but wouldn't you say that Cubans and Haitians are sort of a very specific example?
00:22:31.000Wouldn't you say it's very particular?
00:22:33.000Because when I hear something like that, it's hard for me not to find it somewhat disingenuous in the sense that, you know, Cubans who came to Florida obviously, in most cases, were fleeing the Fidel Castro regime and largely are voting Republican because of the legacy of cold warriors like Ronald Reagan because they're anti communist.
00:22:51.000Haitians had a particular grievance against Hillary Clinton because of her foundation's work in Haiti.
00:22:56.000Wouldn't you say, though, that when you look at blacks voting, for example, 91% for Democrats across the board in 2016 or Hispanics, I think a little bit.
00:23:05.000Listen, the Democratic Party, by and large, still owns the black vote.
00:23:09.000Listen, I've been called racist for 10 years on air for using FBI crime data reconciled against U.S. Census data to point out crime stats.
00:23:41.000We know that black men, 18 to 24, are about 5% of the population, but they're responsible for about 10 to 11% of all murders, meaning they commit murder at a rate 22 times their representation in the population.
00:23:55.000Now, I use that data on air not to make a point about race, but to make a point about a public health and a public safety epidemic.
00:24:04.000Now, I can argue that away because it's crime data, and I can actually convert.
00:24:10.000Working and law abiding, law respecting, civil order respecting black voters, Hispanic voters with that message.
00:24:16.000Where I've departed from what you guys are doing with your messaging is when you're just making it about race for race's sake without any data to support it and also without that follow up message of, hey, we're not trying to alienate you.
00:24:31.000We're saying we know there's a problem in the community, but we want to embrace everybody that's not part of the problem.
00:24:37.000We want to bring them into the conservative fold.
00:24:39.000I think you guys are pushing people back to the blue, back to the other side.
00:24:43.000Oh, I understand that concern, but I would say that when blacks are voting 91% Democrat, I mean, who are we worried about alienating?
00:24:50.000Like Diamond and Silk, you know, the 3% that vote Republican?
00:24:56.000You only have the cards consistently 4% of that vote to turn states red and to keep states red.
00:25:04.000I just think that, I mean, blacks are one part of the equation, but I mean, to me, the much more obvious concern is the Hispanic migration in Texas, Arizona, Virginia, we saw it had a big impact.
00:25:14.000Florida, it's a lot more Mexicans pouring into Florida as opposed to.
00:25:18.000And wouldn't you say, I mean, I look at the 21st century, there's not one presidential election where Hispanics voted more than 35% for Republican.
00:25:26.000To me, that's a little more concerning.
00:25:27.000And so when you see that, and it's generally speaking, now it's not just Mexicans and Hispanics, but it's also Asians are comprising a bigger proportion of the immigrants that are coming over.
00:25:38.000Listen, I think that's a valid point, right?
00:25:40.000We may disagree on the messaging, but we're all concerned about Texas.
00:25:44.000Any Republican, any conservative that says they're not concerned about Texas because of migration over the southern border and those people historically voting Democrat.
00:27:24.000So that's why I'm a hardliner on the border.
00:27:27.000And let's face it, The bullshit stories you hear about, oh, well, no, you got to do sanctuary cities because illegals won't report to the police because they're afraid of the.
00:27:54.000When you've only got 700,000 law enforcement officers, and maybe at any given time, 20,000, 25,000 of them are tasked with immigration, and they've got to go out and round up 20 million people, it's never going to happen.
00:28:25.000But to bring it back a little bit more towards race and demographics, I think we're totally on the same page when it comes to illegals.
00:28:31.000And yeah, I mean, it's a huge, just a pure logistical problem of how do you get 20 million people who aren't supposed to be here out of the country.
00:28:38.000I just don't think the resources exist for that.
00:28:49.000So, just to bring it back a little bit more towards race, I mean, so to me, there's a lot of common ground on the border and on immigration.
00:28:57.000The divergence seems to be around race.
00:28:59.000And I think this is where a lot of Republicans, a lot of, you know, when I say traditional, I mean conventional Republicans, would diverge from us is that I would describe myself as a race realist.
00:29:28.000So I believe everybody's equal before God.
00:29:30.000But that said, you said, well, where you guys mess up is you believe in race for race's sake.
00:29:36.000Now, I wonder because you were a police officer in New York City and you brought up some of these disparities in crime statistics.
00:29:43.000Some of the things that I look at as a young man is I look at the fact that if you look in the south side of Chicago, Or you look at the black neighborhoods in New York City or Baltimore or the black neighborhoods in LA or Little Mogadishu in Minneapolis, to me it looks like Africa.
00:31:38.000They move to more affluent suburbs or more affluent parts of Manhattan, of Chicago, of Los Angeles, and their value set, their lifestyle becomes more Western.
00:32:15.000You can always have people that don't want to work.
00:32:17.000You're always going to have people that aren't that smart.
00:32:20.000One of the things I've always hated is when you go into an elementary school and they tell the kids, oh, you can be president of the United States.
00:32:54.000The reason why I don't find that very compelling, you said that more, I think you made this contention at some point, you said that more people assimilate than don't, or have at least in American history.
00:33:06.000I would find that across the board, if you look at the different races, I think if anything, people are diverging in terms of culture, in terms of group identity, then assimilating.
00:33:15.000You know, I see the rise of, you know, what was it?
00:33:18.000Columbus Day was a couple of months ago.
00:34:30.000Well, but I think more to the point is the fact that, as you said, you've always had violence.
00:34:36.000You've always had this sort of militancy.
00:34:39.000And to me, this speaks to the fact that the country has always been racialized, that these divisions have always been racial.
00:34:45.000You know, you say that, well, we are just in it for race for its own sake.
00:34:49.000You know, the counterexample you made for groups assimilating was Irish and Italians who happen to be European.
00:34:54.000You know, I don't disagree with you that America did have big waves of immigration Germans and Irish and Italians and so on.
00:35:02.000And it seems like the ones that are the most successful were the ones that were closer to the English settlers, which created the dominant culture.
00:35:09.000And the ones that have been the least successful are the ones that are farther out from that.
00:35:13.000You know, and people have said in the past, well, if Irish and Italian were once considered not white or once considered not part of the English, you know, wasp culture.
00:35:22.000But became white and became assimilated.
00:35:24.000Well, a Nigerian can too, or a Brazilian can too, or an Indian can too.
00:35:30.000But I would say that probably an Italian is closer to an Englishman than a Nigerian is.
00:35:35.000And the difference is not insignificant.
00:36:00.000When Italians got off the boat at Ellis Island, when Irish got off the boat at Ellis Island, they said, We want to live a lot better here than we did there.
00:36:08.000The problem, I think, when you find these people coming from Latin American countries is they're saying, We'll come here and we'll take the lowest common denominator of job we can find.
00:36:16.000The Irish and the Italians weren't content with that, right?
00:36:19.000Well, they either went into politics, they started taking over their local wards and districts and cities, and they took over the police departments and the fire departments, and then they assimilated into the political machine that was run by the WASPs.
00:37:19.000And if I'm not mistaken, I'm pretty sure Cubans are something like 80% genetically European.
00:37:24.000I don't know if I'm not going to say that for a fact because I just saw that recently.
00:37:28.000But I think for me, the problem with that is I don't disagree that there are non whites or there are so called minority groups.
00:37:36.000Or individuals, or in certain areas where they can be ambitious and exceptional and all that.
00:37:41.000My problem becomes the idea that that degree of assimilation or that sort of striving that you described, that exceptionalism is universal or that it's inevitable.
00:37:51.000You know, my issue is the expectation that, well, if the Italians came here and did it, if the Italians came here and they possessed that American rugged individual spirit, well, you know, we can bring over people from Nicaragua and it's universal and we can expect the same thing.
00:38:05.000And if it doesn't show up in one, two, three, or four generations, well, We just need more Republican outreach.
00:38:11.000No, And let me tell you something where I'd agree with you, and I've said this publicly on Twitter.
00:38:16.000When you talk about, when the president talked about shithole countries, people make a country, right?
00:38:22.000So there's clearly a problem in Guatemala, Mexico, Nicaragua, Honduras.
00:39:39.000You're a young guy, you're sharp, you're good on camera, but then you got these lunatics out here who, like basement dwellers, living on mom's couch, insulting, sitting here insulting me.
00:39:48.000So all they're doing is me, I don't give a shit.
00:39:52.000I was getting refrigerators thrown off roofs at me in the Bronx at 22 years old.
00:39:56.000But not everybody in media is like that.
00:39:59.000A lot of people are going to look at this shit when you ask them to debate you, and they're going to say, eh, I don't want to deal with this nonsense.
00:40:06.000And I think that's where you got jammed up with some of these debates you tried to do, and when you tried to take this to the next level.
00:40:12.000Because, look, I'm going to say this, but I've said you and I talked online privately, and I'm not going to betray things we spoke about.
00:40:44.000So, I mean, you can't really take that seriously.
00:40:48.000Yeah, no, and I hear, and I do apologize only because I am the host and you are a guest on the stream, and so I do feel a little bit embarrassed when people get a little out of hand.
00:40:59.000I never saw anybody write the word rape this much in capital letters.
00:42:48.000I know I can come off that way on Twitter, and certainly, if you look at some of my followers.
00:42:52.000But to me, the sort of counter to that is people like me who have my views have been treated so badly by the mainstream and by the establishment.
00:43:02.000And some have been saying, myself included, we've been saying that if you think that you can censor these views, and I'm not saying you, I'm saying establishment types and media types, if they think they can censor, Reactionary opinions or far right wing opinions, what they're going to get is just a lot of ugliness.
00:43:22.000You know, these people are not going to go away.
00:43:31.000I'm reading this stream and I'm kind of joking about it.
00:43:33.000And I see the memes out there on Twitter and I'm saying a lot of what I'm saying tongue in cheek.
00:43:38.000But it's not going to be taken seriously, right?
00:43:40.000And so you get to the point where you want to take your platform and your voice to the next level to get your message out.
00:43:46.000And what's going to happen is the mainstream people are going to paint you and say, this kid Fuentes is the next iteration of David Duke and his followers are only this.
00:44:39.000Well, I mean, to me, the rub is that the deplatforming, the censoring, and all that has already happened.
00:44:46.000And it's not, I don't think, for example, that Cassie Dillon got me, and I don't want to drag you into this, but I'm aware that Cassie Dillon got me banned from CPAC.
00:44:55.000This was years ago, and it had nothing to do with my followers, you know?
00:44:58.000I mean, point being, though, I've attracted so much hate from the establishment.
00:45:05.000Not even because of my followers, but just because of my views, because of the things I say, the questions I ask.
00:45:10.000And so that is why the Groypers, the sort of fanatical, aggressive following, is sort of necessary.
00:45:16.000You know, when we bring this, you know, this energy to a Charlie Kirk event and it's rambunctious and it's loud and it is, you know, a little bit pointed, you know, I see that as sort of a reckoning.
00:45:26.000I see that as necessary in the sense that, you know, if they think that they can silence us and they can make a video and it says, oh, Nick is alt right, don't listen to him and so on, we're sort of aggressively asserting our opinions out there.
00:45:39.000In sort of a blood sports debate type fashion.
00:45:42.000It's a very like guerrilla strategy, but in my opinion, it's the only thing that works to sort of break through.
00:45:48.000It does, but I'll tell you this, and this is me tooting my own horn.
00:45:52.000I speak to people on both sides of this thing, right?
00:45:54.000I speak to the mainstream people, but one of the reasons I did this with you today is when you and I got into our thing on Twitter, Milo texted me and he said, Now you're really misunderstanding this movement.
00:46:53.000You're not the first person to tell me about the Groypers and everything, the fire, the flame, but it is a very young movement, young in the sense that it's not been around long, and almost everybody in it's an adolescent, you know, or 20 years old or something like me.
00:47:06.000So I think it just kind of goes with the territory.
00:47:09.000Yeah, listen, you've got a following, right?
00:48:34.000I know some of the audience gave you a hard time, and I gave you a little hard time on Twitter, but I think everybody appreciates that you came on, had the conversation, which was a lot of integrity and backbone.
00:56:26.000It was my mission to humiliate, you know, Nick Funches annihilates, or was it to have a competent, perfunctory conversation, but to demonstrate to others who might be watching what we're about, right?
00:56:41.000That we're good people, normal, right?
00:56:43.000So, look, I'm just like a tactical genius.
00:56:47.000I don't have to sit here and baby talk and explain everything through to you.
00:56:51.000You're just going to have to trust me.
00:56:52.000You're just going to have to trust the plan that I'm executing perfectly, that I'm just executing on this highest caliber that exists.
00:57:00.000I'm not going to be able to explain every little four dimensional chest move.
00:57:03.000Everybody thought I was simping when I was hanging out with Kathy Zhu.
01:44:06.000I got a duster and I cleaned out all my shelves and my computer, wiped down my monitors, wiped down my boom arm, and I took a couple of phone calls, did my debate, showered, shaved, all that.