00:00:42.000I was going to go out and distribute these Papa John's flyers, but the buddy who I was going with got new dogs or something, so he didn't want to go all the way downtown.
00:01:00.000And I believe the first time that we spoke, because you've never been on the show, but the first time that we spoke was on that Lauren Southern stream with Destiny, correct, back in the fall?
00:01:11.000Yeah, that would be reaching back there, but I believe that's the first one, yeah.
00:01:18.000Well, yeah, like I said, it's the first time we've really interacted kind of one on one here.
00:01:22.000I know you're more of like a YouTuber, I'm more on like the proper political side of Twitter.
00:01:27.000But one of the first things I want to talk to you about, just really briefly, I don't want to spend too much time on it, but we were both on the Ralph Retort stream last week or two weeks ago.
00:01:37.000It was Ralph Retort, and he was having on Paul Nealon, and I think Patrick Little was on there briefly.
00:01:43.000And I know I jumped on there, everybody I think saw, and it got pretty nasty pretty quickly with me.
00:02:03.000Yeah, I thought it was very cordial with Mr. Nealon.
00:02:07.000But yeah, just listening to his answers and kind of hearing about his political stances, I found it a little strange that he would consider himself a counter-Semite and then have a Jewish manager.
00:02:17.000And then, you know, advocate kind of a core white family unit.
00:02:20.000And then he's married to a Mexican woman.
00:02:39.000And what I'm just fascinated by is the fact that we've got this internet coalition.
00:02:43.000I think this is what you were stressing on that show we have this large internet coalition.
00:02:50.000Of largely anonymous people, you know, and especially during the 2016 election on 4chan, on Reddit, on the various image boards and social media, there was a real political force.
00:03:00.000I mean, you look at a guy like Ricky Vaughn in the case of Paul Nealon, it's a pretty good contrast where somebody like Ricky Vaughn, who is anonymous, was able to affect this great, great political change as one individual anonymous Twitter account.
00:03:15.000And I thought it was just a very interesting compare and contrast between the people that are out there and their basically poll incarnate.
00:03:23.000And they consist of all the memes, all the talking points, all the, you know, some of the absurdities and paradoxes of it.
00:03:31.000And I just thought that was a very interesting contrast the effectiveness and the look of what it's like in real life running for office as these two candidates were or what it was online.
00:03:41.000I mean, do you think there is something about the fact or the nature of being anonymous, of being online, that in this day and age is more effective politically?
00:03:50.000Because I just thought that was a very interesting idea that you kind of brought up with him.
00:03:54.000Well, yeah, I mean, I break my answer down into two parts.
00:03:57.000One, yeah, I think anonymity online definitely played a crucial role.
00:04:00.000It's a large factor in, I guess you could call it propagandizing.
00:04:30.000If you're identified and you try to do a lot of what was done, You're just going to get hammered into the fucking dirt.
00:04:36.000I mean, we saw that with the kid that tweeted out it was like a wrestling gift that was altered.
00:04:41.000It had Trump in there, and CNN was right on him saying that if you do this, we're going to release your information and write up a story on you.
00:04:48.000But because you promised not to do it anymore, we're going to sweep it under the rug.
00:05:36.000And I think when you were talking to him, you brought that up, didn't you?
00:05:39.000You said, you know, People were out door knocking for you.
00:05:41.000They were getting your message out there.
00:05:42.000And then you kind of changed stances after we kind of got your name out there to the point where that 15% that was built up might be jeopardized now if you were to run in the future.
00:05:56.000I know the people that I was one of the door knockers and I knew the people that were among them and the people we were knocking on the doors of.
00:06:03.000I know the new message would probably not appeal as explicit as it is, right?
00:06:26.000But, you know, again, 1% in California with the message that he had is that, in my opinion, a victory considering what he's fucking dealing with in that particular state.
00:06:38.000Yeah, it was an interesting experiment.
00:06:40.000And, you know, I do think a lot of it had to do with.
00:06:43.000The fact that he ran as a civil rights advocate.
00:06:45.000You know, because I imagine in a state like California, it's obviously the largest state, I think, by population and a large minority population.
00:06:54.000Well, I don't even think it's fair to call the minority in California the majority.
00:06:58.000You know, it's a minority white state running as a civil rights advocate.
00:07:02.000I think that that was actually an intelligent, a clever kind of a trick, but definitely an interesting experiment.
00:07:08.000And I bring it up the nature of anonymity and these kinds of things because I think that's a big part of people like your effectiveness.
00:07:16.000And other YouTubers, other people that are making change, because you see what people are up against, like myself and others who are out there and we've got our faces out.
00:07:26.000Once you kind of manifest in the real world, once you can be identified and you have liabilities and things that people can look after or go after, I think it becomes a much different equation in terms of how you're able to parse out your message.
00:07:41.000I mean, do you think that's a big part of it?
00:07:58.000Once you kind of come out and you kind of askew and throw away the anonymity, whether it's willingly or unwillingly, anonymity is almost like virginity.
00:08:09.000You know, once you get fucked, there's no one fucking it.
00:08:12.000So once it's out there, it's done with.
00:08:15.000But yeah, no, I find anonymity to be an important, integral part of the internet.
00:08:20.000I mean, it has been since its inception from message boards to image boards and onward.
00:08:26.000I mean, it's always been something that has allowed people to speak freely.
00:08:29.000And when you take that away, It just seems like a bad idea to me.
00:08:33.000I know a lot of social media platforms, a lot of conglomerates and corporations want to strip it away.
00:08:38.000Facebook and the Twitters and all of them want as much information as they can get.
00:08:42.000If you want a Gmail account, you need to give them your phone number.
00:08:47.000And before that, it was an address and a name and just ridiculous amounts of information because for some reason they're terrified of the idea of an anonymous user base.
00:08:55.000I mean, you can see this in comment sections on websites, from news sites to even scientific journals, where they've either done away with anonymous comments.
00:09:04.000Or they're asking for a real ID identification to actually be able to post comments now on certain websites.
00:09:12.000And I don't think we should be pushing it along.
00:09:15.000I think we should be dragging our feet as much as we can and enjoying it while we can because 10 years from now, 20 years from now, kids growing up on the internet will probably look back and be like, holy shit, you could be anonymous online.
00:09:28.000And I think why that's so integral is because of how the system is.
00:09:32.000Well, we know that's why it's so integral because.
00:09:36.000We are in a place such that if you go against the mainstream, and even it's gotten to the point where, and this is something I think you explore in a lot of your videos, if you're not on board with things that are absolute lunacy, that things 10 years ago would have been thought ridiculous, you're the subject of ridicule among peers, among employers, among other kinds of people.
00:09:56.000And so it's almost a necessity to express a dissident opinion.
00:09:59.000And I really wanted to get into this kind of a subject because we're at a point right now, and this is kind of the broader topic I wanted to talk to you about, is we're at a point right now where This dissident movement, and I don't even want to describe it as right wing or left wing, but just really kind of dissent against whatever like neoliberal kind of postmodern atmosphere we're in, where we're kind of at a weird place in this area of dissent.
00:10:25.000I think this is something a lot of people are feeling because, in many ways, I think we were all unified in 2016, and people like yourself, people like me, people like even Neil, and people like the alt right or the alt light or even ostensibly establishment right wing people.
00:10:46.000We were all against that kind of thing.
00:10:49.000And now it feels like there's a lot of confusion.
00:10:52.000It feels like people call it infighting, people call it counter signaling or punching right or whatever, but there isn't really a clear idea of what the direction is, what we're going for.
00:11:03.000And so I look at somebody like yourself where I don't think you're necessarily a totally political person.
00:11:09.000I think all of your, most of your YouTube content is for entertainment, it's for humor.
00:11:14.000And I see how you interact with JF and others, and it's mostly just about how do we get laughs?
00:11:23.000But we're forced, people like yourself are forced, I think, to almost take like a quasi political stance in this day and age, right?
00:11:32.000And so I just want to kind of get an idea, pick your brain a little bit about what you think the state of this movement, if you could even call it that, is right now.
00:11:40.000Because I'm feeling like we're very confused at the moment.
00:11:44.000Well, I would hesitate to call it a movement or even use.
00:11:48.000Sorry, I've got a bit of a cold, so you have to bear with me.
00:11:52.000I mean, you've got so many different groups that kind of came together to accomplish a pretty specific set of goals around 2015, 2016.
00:12:00.000You saw a really hard pushback against SJWs, which I think we kind of saw in multiple ways.
00:12:07.000But you also saw kind of a push in politics.
00:12:09.000You know, Trump represented this idea that he was an establishment, he was going to drain the swamp.
00:12:14.000And so you had all these different groups kind of come together from, you know, an image board like 4chan to something like Reddit, where it's more user based and, you know, there's more ID tied to it.
00:12:25.000It's these different communities kind of commingling to accomplish something.
00:12:28.000And then once that thing has been accomplished, infighting usually is going to take place.
00:12:32.000I don't want to comment on it because I don't identify as it.
00:12:36.000And it would feel kind of dickish for me to sit here and say, well, you guys should do this and you guys should do that when I'm not you guys, sitting here and chastising you or giving you pointers on what to do.
00:12:45.000But I think you'll find more cohesion, I guess, as the next election cycle kicks in.
00:12:51.000And people will set aside whatever their differences are for that moment, at least to do something.
00:12:57.000But I think it speaks to the perceived threat of this kind of super hyper liberal SJW leftist mentality that these kind of groups could even come together in the first place.
00:13:09.000And now that they're kind of dissipating a little bit, I think it kind of signals that at least there might be a bit of a shift taking place where even regular people at this point now recognize that, you know, holy shit, these liberal professors are fucking crazy.
00:13:24.000These students that are coming out of universities are a little nutty.
00:13:27.000Corporations have taken it too far with their policies.
00:13:30.000And I think that that's made people relax a little bit because now they don't feel like we have to put up a unified front and go after this because now more people are recognizing the same shit they recognized years in advance.
00:13:42.000I guess that would be my take on that.
00:13:44.000I do feel like there is kind of an opening.
00:13:47.000And this is something I saw or something I've been seeing a lot people kind of reanalyzing the Trump election, reanalyzing 2016, and saying, you know, it wasn't so much about Trump.
00:14:00.000Political impetus for somebody like Trump in the sense that people were outraged about immigration, people were outraged about trade, but generally it was just an anti establishment.
00:14:11.000It was just a negation of what was happening as opposed to a positive vision of, well, it's, I mean, don't get me wrong, I love Trump, but I feel like generally speaking, it was more of a cultural rejection of the establishment.
00:14:24.000And I think that's a good way that you phrase it in terms of where even regular people were saying, we don't want this hyper liberal system and And if that makes us bedfellows with the right wing, if that makes us bedfellows with these people who are saying extreme things on image boards, well, you know, we're all kind of working against the same people.
00:14:43.000We all, you know, the enemy of the enemy is my friend, sort of a deal.
00:14:45.000And I do think that we are making a shift in a big way.
00:14:50.000It's kind of difficult, though, because you see that there is a shift taking place.
00:14:54.000And by the same token, while I think people are moving away from this kind of political correctness, social justice mentality, by the same token, I think there is.
00:15:04.000Like a counter reaction or a counter revolution by the establishment that's taking place.
00:15:10.000And I think you've covered a lot of these topics.
00:15:11.000You talk about like the bully hunters.
00:15:13.000You talked about, I saw your Pokemon video about the Bulbapedia or that Pokemon thing.
00:15:20.000Do you feel like there's like a counter reaction happening against that?
00:15:24.000I feel like there's almost this frenzy on the part of the left because they sense that this is happening.
00:15:30.000Yeah, I mean, they're trying to claw and dig their way back.
00:15:33.000Yeah, I mean, I think they notice a shift taking place too.
00:15:37.000Well, I mean, as they put it, the resistance, you know, this ridiculous notion of we're going to fight conservatism or the alt right or anything that's not us tooth and nail on any platform that we can.
00:15:50.000But I think when you start to see a cultural shift take place, whether it's to the left or to the right, once that begins, you can't undo it.
00:15:57.000And the left can kick and scream all they fucking want.
00:16:00.000But once it kind of starts to do that shift, you've got a good, I'd say, decade of breathing room as that shift takes place.
00:16:07.000I mean, they could go march in the fucking streets.
00:16:09.000Antifa can dress in black and break windows.
00:16:11.000They can throw tantrums on universities, but I think the general populace has become familiar enough now with it that they just look at it with almost kind of a disdain or disgust.
00:16:21.000And I think the kids growing up, you know, younger ones in elementary and junior high kind of look at it and they're like, we don't want to be like that.
00:16:29.000These people are the ass end of every joke on the internet.
00:16:31.000We don't want to be made fun of to that degree.
00:16:34.000Well, yeah, no, that's what really gives me hope.
00:16:50.000I was very either late millennial or earlier Generation Z.
00:16:54.000So I still kind of remember what it was like before the ubiquity of the internet.
00:16:58.000But I think older people tend to look at Hollywood.
00:17:01.000They tend to look at television, legacy media.
00:17:04.000But if you look at what's on the internet, whether it's someone like PewDiePie or the various Twitch streamers or the kind of things that they're consuming, it's not necessarily political, but it is.
00:17:15.000As you're describing this kind of cultural resistance to just the horrible things that are happening on the left that are just obviously objects of ridicule.
00:17:23.000So, I mean, do you see the same kind of hope for Generation Z that I do?
00:17:27.000Do you see the same trends or do you think that's kind of a myth?
00:17:31.000Well, I think when you start to do generational analysis, right, one of the things that always fascinated me is a lot of people like to blame the boomers, but I think a heavy burden should be laid on the shoulders of Gen X.
00:17:42.000I think Gen X, you know, the latchkey kids, that kind of generation, We were almost apathetic.
00:17:47.000They kind of just fucking tuned everything out.
00:17:50.000And so they weren't as active or empathetic as they should have been to the current climate and just kind of let things metastasize into this overgrowth of cancer that really just overtook the millennials.
00:18:06.000I mean, I see a lot of crazy stuff happening.
00:18:08.000If you look at gaming, if you look at something like Overwatch that has a ton of players, I mean, they're banning toxic players.
00:18:14.000They're setting up policies where if you say something mean about somebody outside of the game, they'll ban you.
00:18:19.000You know, you look at a platform like Twitch where most of these kids go to watch their content, and, you know, a Twitch streamer is basically held at gunpoint.
00:18:26.000They're a hostage to the terms of service that are on that platform.
00:18:30.000So I think that Gen Z is aware of that as they watch these, you know, different content creators that they like, and they watch because, you know, they're not really doing anything political.
00:19:08.000And it's interesting because as somebody who's Generation Z, you can kind of see the difference where online the behavior is somewhat different, at least for my class, you know, people around my age, than the in real life behavior.
00:19:21.000Because a lot of, you know, it's tough because I know a lot of people who watch this show.
00:19:25.000Many of them are Generation Z, and they'll say, well, some of their friends are very PC, but some of their friends are not so PC.
00:19:32.000I tend to see online, it's very much uniform that it's against, and IRL, it's a little bit different.
00:19:39.000But anyway, I think we've talked enough about that subject.
00:19:41.000What I really wanted to pick your brain about this week this is the hot topic on everyone's mind, which is the James Gunn thing and all that's going on in Hollywood.
00:19:54.000I mean, how perfect is it that we find out the Rick and Morty television show, the two co creators?
00:19:59.000And I think everybody could kind of see this if you knew Dan Harmon, if you've ever seen him before, you know, that they were going to be these kinds of sickos.
00:20:34.000Playing VR or doing something weird like that.
00:20:37.000My personal opinion is I don't think they're pedophiles.
00:20:41.000I think it's just really shitty, edgy humor.
00:20:45.000Now, what I do find interesting, and I think this plays a lot into what we're seeing right now, is for a very long time on the internet, if you made a joke that was even a little bit racist or homophobic or transphobic, and you're on the right, what's going to happen?
00:21:01.000They're going to track down where you fucking work.
00:21:03.000They're going to track down your name and they're going to get your ass fired.
00:21:06.000They're going to try to just ruin your life.
00:21:10.000And now I see that being turned around on them.
00:21:12.000It's like using the same rules of war, right?
00:21:15.000The right was subjected to this for years on social media platforms.
00:21:18.000If you told something that was a little off color, but it was just a joke, no, no, you're a racist, you're a homophobe, you're a transphobe, we need to deal with you.
00:21:33.000And they're finding these examples of, if it is humor, humor, and saying, oh my God, look how terrible this is.
00:21:38.000These people make cartoons that kids can watch, they work for a big corporation, they shouldn't be allowed to do that.
00:21:43.000And I see all these leftists bitching about it.
00:21:45.000And I'm like, where was your outrage when that was happening to people on the right?
00:21:49.000I didn't see you standing up for Milo Yiannopoulos when he was making edgy jokes at McGillagorilla, what the fuck her name is from Ghostbusters.
00:22:24.000No, people should be aware that people in media, Hollywood, TV, movies, cartoons, all of that, they're scared shitless right now.
00:22:33.000After that Me Too stuff, they are looking over their fucking shoulder.
00:22:37.000So if you find anything that's even remotely questionable, they're going to shit bricks.
00:22:43.000So it kind of makes me curious if people are going to start digging through celebrity timelines and Instagrams and Facebooks.
00:22:48.000Because I'm sure you'd find all sorts of shit on there.
00:22:51.000But I mean, even a more recent example, wasn't it Roseanne Barr made an edgy joke, a racist joke, and her fucking show was stripped away from her?
00:22:59.000So, you know, I don't have a lot of sympathy for Dan Harmon bitching that people tried to get his show ripped away from him for making, you know, a baby fucking joke.
00:23:08.000You know, it seems what's good for the goose is good for the gander, right?
00:23:13.000I mean, I saw somebody, some journalist, some effing journalist who said, She was like, Oh, well, when right wing people were making jokes and Nazi jokes, the right was like, Oh, it's just humor.
00:23:28.000Because every time we do it, whether it's Roseanne Barr or even if it's somebody, you know, I think back to like 2012, Mitt Romney, he said like binders full of women.
00:23:37.000And do you remember how people seized on that?
00:23:40.000Like to me, that was like, to me, a perfectly appropriate phrase, by the way.
00:23:44.000But let's say you're some kind of political consultant, it's like, well, it doesn't sound quite right, you know.
00:23:49.000But they took that and they made it on Wikipedia now as one of the major blunders of the election.
00:23:53.000You look at that, you look at things that we say which are completely innocuous, and these people are making jokes of like where Dan Harmon is.
00:24:01.000Is simulating the rape of a baby where James Gunn, Michael Ian Black, and it's not like a few jokes in these cases, it's like 30, 40, dozens upon dozens of jokes about molesting children.
00:24:13.000We call them out, we get them fired, and then they suddenly cry foul.
00:25:13.000But, well, no, that's a great point that you make about dog whistling because I can't tell you how many times, because I watch my language very carefully.
00:25:23.000Like when I was in elementary school, if you called African Americans black, you were called a racist.
00:25:30.000This was the environment I grew up in.
00:25:33.000And so I watch very carefully what I say.
00:25:35.000But I can't tell you how many times I've gotten an interviewer.
00:25:38.000Or somebody who's filming me for something, or some journalist tell me, well, you might not say bad things, but are you aware that the people watching your show are racist?
00:25:48.000Or, well, the KKK said the same thing like 20 years ago?
00:25:52.000Or, you know, people who are racist might like your content.
00:25:55.000And then when it comes around with these people and they're making jokes about molesting children in the case of Justin Roiland, drawing pictures of children's genitals, it's all in good humor.
00:26:13.000Apocalypse and all the YouTubers were flipping out about the loss of revenue because these advertisers had seen videos that were extremists, as they put it.
00:26:20.000And they wanted to censor what they were, they were not, I shouldn't say censor.
00:26:23.000They just wanted to have more say over what they advertised on and wanted to be sure that certain things were taken off the platform.
00:26:29.000So it amazes me that a company like a Nike or Adidas or a Pepsi or a Coke would have that much say in YouTube.
00:26:37.000But then when I'm thinking of, you know, Harmon and the advertisers on his show, where's their outrage that he's posting baby rape videos?
00:26:44.000You know, where are they saying, hey, wait a minute now?
00:26:47.000If we can't let that alt writer put up a risque video on YouTube, we probably shouldn't be backing and supporting financially the guy putting up the baby rape videos.
00:26:57.000Well, and even with Rick and Morty, the perfect example is Sam Hyde, where Sam Hyde's Million Dollar Extreme was on Adult Swim, and they were wildly successful in their first season.
00:28:13.000If it wasn't, they're a boomer and they're making jokes about how Obama was a Muslim socialist, you know, that kind of thing.
00:28:19.000And so you look at that case where, and obviously there were extenuating circumstances there, but just on the face of it, where Sam Hyde, there's hidden swastikas, which is.
00:28:29.000Total nonsense, but they say, oh, it's a racist show.
00:29:18.000You know, I probably would have continued thinking Tom Goes to the Mayor is pretty good if I didn't encounter what Tim Heidecker was like outside of his media that he creates, because he's kind of an asshole.
00:29:28.000And it kind of ruins the content, the media that he creates, because then I think.
00:30:24.000I can't remember what it was, but it was a guy that worked kind of like an extra on, I think, Lost Boys and another movie that he worked on.
00:30:31.000But he talked about it being kind of almost prolific in the industry.
00:30:35.000I think even Yiannopoulos commented on it, saying that he'd been to some Hollywood parties and seen younger boys, teenage boys, at these.
00:30:46.000You know, it most definitely is something that goes on.
00:30:48.000There's most definitely a culture related to it.
00:30:51.000I really thought with the Me Too thing, we were going to see it break into that, but I guess it's too entrenched to really be dragged out into the light just yet.
00:31:00.000You know, this is why people for years have been making jokes about Dan Schneider.
00:31:24.000Kind of related to the pedophile culture in Hollywood, I think we're at the point where everybody's making jokes about it because everybody assumes it's true.
00:31:31.000And eventually something's going to cascade that out and we're going to be like, wow.
00:31:34.000You know, I never would have thought so and so was involved in this because I'll tell you, a year ago, I never would have thought that Kevin Spacey would be sitting next to a guy, you know, a valet and whipping his cock out and saying, boy, it looks big, doesn't it?
00:31:47.000But, you know, color me shocked it fucking happened.
00:31:52.000Well, I mean, That's the thing, I think everybody knows that it's going on.
00:31:57.000And it's a weird thing that you bring up where it is this double think of it.
00:32:02.000Once you know it's happening, but at the same time, you exist in a state where you're not totally convinced or maybe not totally conscious of it.
00:32:09.000I don't think it really hits home with a lot of people.
00:32:35.000I mean, I'm really terrified that one day we're going to find that like half the members in Congress and people in government and people in Hollywood and all over the place.
00:32:45.000Because to me, I think about the actors, and I don't mean actors in the sense of people who act in films, I mean like individuals in these institutions.
00:32:54.000I think of these actors as people who are eccentric.
00:32:58.000As people who have lots of power, people who have lots of clout.
00:33:01.000And you think of the kind of individual who's in these positions, and you think, well, they have pretty eccentric tastes in many cases.
00:33:10.000And so you think about these different characters where they get off on the power, they get off on this weird kind of stuff, they basically run the world.
00:33:18.000And I think it's almost impossible that there wouldn't be that kind of parallel thing going on child trafficking, human trafficking, because these people who are in these positions say, well, I should have whatever I want.
00:33:29.000And of course, that's going to include.
00:33:31.000Sex and maybe it's maybe it's like just women, you know, as was the case with me too, or maybe it could be a little bit more evil than that.
00:34:07.000You look at a McCully Culkin who looks like a zombie, a walking corpse.
00:34:11.000When you look at these people and their drug issues and their sex issues and their broken home lives and eccentric behavior and mental illnesses, is that really just a result of fame and money?
00:34:23.000Are they being exposed to predators that are basically taking advantage of them every single day?
00:34:28.000And you'd have to imagine the kind of psychological impact that would have on you that you're famous for being on TV or in a movie, but every time you look at that TV show or that movie, You remember the guy that got you the job who you had to have sex with, who molested you.
00:34:42.000And I could imagine that driving you crazy by the time you're 18 or 20.
00:34:50.000It would be one thing if it was a few isolated cases of child actors going off the rail, but it's, I mean, it's literally every single one.
00:34:57.000And it's a very interesting transformation.
00:34:58.000This is something I've noticed in particular where it always follows exactly the same pattern, which is to say that there is this period of they're a childhood actor, they're doing great, particularly with Disney.
00:35:13.000This happened to Miley Cyrus, Selena Gomez, Taylor Swift, all the rest, where they hit the mature phase, and then it's a BDSM music video.
00:35:21.000In every case, how many times have you seen, and I've seen it enough times where I've noticed it, that it goes from sweet young girl making music to suddenly there's rubber involved, there's a whip, there's a BDSM thing.
00:35:35.000And to me, that can't be a coincidence.
00:35:37.000I mean, it's a little bit of a signal flare for you, is it?
00:35:40.000I mean, yeah, Miley Cyrus, didn't she have a music video where she dressed up as a baby and talked about kinky sex?
00:35:46.000Yeah, and that was, and the reaction to that was really funny because if I remember right, when that first came out, the dislikes were just massive.
00:35:54.000And the amount of comments from her fans were like, What is what's going on?
00:35:58.000And you know, it was just another produced music video that was in line with her transformation from wholesome, uh, you know, American teenager to just drug abusing degenerate as an adult.
00:37:10.000So, you know, you put that together and you're like, Wait a minute.
00:37:12.000You just told one guy you don't have a basement.
00:37:14.000And then he told another reporter you do.
00:37:16.000And you've got all these people that think you're in the middle of a child porn empire.
00:37:20.000Maybe get your story straight before going on the evening news.
00:37:22.000And you want to have people showing up with a gun outside your restaurant thinking that you're running a child porn empire.
00:37:28.000Oh, and that was my only conviction during the Pizzagate thing, I don't think anybody knew exactly what was going on there, but it just.
00:37:35.000There were so many things that did not add up.
00:37:37.000And that was one of the biggest things for me.
00:37:40.000It was a BBC interview where he said, Oh, we don't even have a basement.
00:37:43.000And then in a totally separate interview, he said, We get our tomatoes shipped in and we like do something with them every day in the basement.
00:37:50.000And I was like, Something's so wrong here.
00:37:53.000And then what I found out just recently was that did you know this?
00:37:56.000The guy that went in with the gun in the police report said that he went in, he found a computer, and then he shot the hard drive.
00:38:04.000He ruined the hard drive in one of their computers.
00:38:43.000Because I find that funny and they should know better.
00:38:46.000But with stuff like this, where you're looking at it and there's some legitimately weird stuff going on, I didn't really come down hard on people because it's like, okay, well, he's giving conflicting statements.
00:38:54.000Okay, well, they've got art that's really bizarre.
00:38:57.000You know, they're posting pictures of some really weird shit.
00:39:00.000And, you know, maybe it's completely innocent, but it sure as shit looks guilty.
00:39:04.000So I didn't really begrudge people for looking into it.
00:39:52.000And despite that, the entire media, with the exception of Fox News, and there's also one other very interesting exception about Fox News, if you look at who runs it, which differentiates it from the rest of media, where I said, you know what?
00:40:06.000If there's like mass cover up going on with the media, with the government, I mean, we see it's happening and they're telling us it's not.
00:40:14.000At that point, I really started to buy into stuff about Pizzagate, about Las Vegas, about all these other things.
00:40:19.000Do you find yourself believing in conspiracy theories or do you find that generally it's just a lot of nonsense?
00:40:55.000And they don't really have a clear, concise answer.
00:40:58.000But the truth is, that has happened before.
00:41:01.000The United States government, using assets outside of the country, intentionally poisoned people with medicine to study the effects of syphilis on them.
00:41:09.000It happened to a group called, I think it was like the, it was a group of African Americans, Tuskegee, something.
00:41:43.000But the government has done some really wild stuff before because it furthered their goal because they wanted to get information or they wanted to test something out.
00:42:12.000And who would be more reliable, your own government or some wacky guy on the internet?
00:42:17.000But for me, it all really fell apart when they eliminated the benefit of the doubt.
00:42:22.000Once you lose the benefit of the doubt for the media, for the government, once you understand.
00:42:27.000Either by historical evidence or you look at something happening now that the government or the media is willing and able to lie or inflict terror attacks on their own people or inflict disease on their own people, then I think it's a totally different ballgame.
00:42:41.000I think it really just changes the way people think.
00:42:43.000So it's not so much like, well, I'm a conspiracy theorist now, so much as it is, well, we have to give a fair hearing to the government story and to the alternative theory.
00:42:53.000And that really changed it all for me, as I said, we can no longer believe everything that we hear from the establishment.
00:43:00.000Well, I think a lot of people that have used the internet at this point, regardless of the generation, have kind of started to take on the idea that the onus is on them, that you can't really trust anything anymore, whether that's media, the government, other users on the internet, a social media platform, because it always seems like we're getting lied to about something.
00:43:17.000So it's not really far fetched to think that a lot of people doubt what they're told, regardless of who the source is or what the information might be.
00:43:25.000Sometimes that leads them to believing foolish shit, but a lot of the times it's not a harmful thing to be doubtful or to want to look into it.
00:43:33.000I mean, you really are responsible for yourself for figuring out stuff.
00:43:36.000You can't take anybody or anything at face value anymore.
00:43:39.000We get lied to constantly by everybody.
00:43:42.000You really have to put the effort in to find the information yourself, parse through it, and come to your own conclusion.
00:43:48.000So that's kind of the stance I take on it.
00:44:38.000I guess I believe in Round Earth for the sake of argument.
00:44:42.000But yeah, that's the world we live in right now.
00:44:44.000They said the word of the year in 2016 was post truth.
00:44:47.000And I think that's really where we are.
00:44:49.000You can't trust anybody, trust not even yourself.
00:44:52.000But yeah, I always found that amusing that a lot of prominent figures on the left tried to poke fun at that people's mindsets.
00:45:00.000You had Stephen Colbert saying things like truthiness or truthfulness or whatever it was, his little take on that, or John Oliver and all the others.
00:45:07.000You know, all these people believe anything and they don't believe the truth and all of this.
00:45:11.000But you look at the mindset now after it's developed for a few years, and you've got world leaders and the heads of corporations saying things like fake news.
00:45:18.000So I think it's kind of proliferating.
00:45:20.000You know, I think it's reaching more people that, you know, we get lied to quite a bit and maybe not just take everything at face value.
00:45:30.000I mean, that's the thing I'll talk to my friends, I'll talk to my family, and I'll present them with my views on certain historical events or Tragedies, you know, whatever.
00:45:40.000And I, well, it didn't quite happen the way they say it did, you know?
00:45:43.000And people say, what are you talking about?
00:47:13.000So, you know, I don't know how you can look at that or listen to somebody like, I think it's Applebaum and others who brought this information forward and be like, yeah, no, that's trustworthy.
00:48:54.000Is there an appropriate degree of segregation that must occur?
00:48:57.000What is your take on this as kind of not an ideological person?
00:49:00.000What would you say about the woman question?
00:49:03.000Oh, I would say, as a blanket statement, Women ruin everything.
00:49:10.000It seems that whatever group they become a part of, the focal point of that group deviates from what it was originally set out to be about and to be only and solely about the woman.
00:49:21.000Now, that's not to say that women can't be funny or can't be smart or can't lead in some capacity or even be a part of a movement.
00:50:00.000I'm sure you'll know who it is once I say the quote.
00:50:03.000But he's sitting there with her and, you know, he's been defending her against all the attacks and he's on her side.
00:50:09.000And during the middle of the stream, she looks into her little camera and says, I'm a fourth generation Holocaust survivor.
00:50:16.000And the look that he got on his face, it was like five seconds that he went through nearly every emotion to, Why have I supported this woman?
00:50:24.000to, Holy shit, I look like a massive idiot right now.
00:51:01.000We respect women and we want women to do well.
00:51:04.000But when they enter into male domains, video games, wrestling, you know, whatever, and all these different examples, politics, streams, now that's not to say that there's not exceptions.
00:51:15.000That's not to say that there aren't women who excel in these fields.
00:51:19.000And the reason we have to kiss ass and say that kind of thing is because they will bitch us out if they, oh, are you saying that women, well, what about me?
00:52:09.000And so, when that dynamic is not understood, when that dynamic is not respected, the natures of the two components are not respected and affirmed, you have all hell break loose.
00:52:32.000The shitlords, internet people who are honest because it's obvious and we see it and it's kind of funny.
00:52:38.000But we're the only ones that are willing and able to affirm that because so many people are beholden because they've put it on the pedestal, like you say.
00:52:46.000Well, yeah, I mean, I think we're dealing with a culture of confusion.
00:52:49.000I think a lot of people have forsaken traditional values, the concept of a traditional home life.
00:52:55.000You have men and women competing in the same spaces and it just creates an animosity.
00:54:34.000Maybe the ACLU would cover it, but there are other groups where it's all the only reason we know those people that we celebrate in a month or in a day or a week is.
00:54:44.000Well, they were for the advancement of their own people.
00:54:54.000It's basically like a group, I don't even know, like group therapy or like a group delusion where we pretend we say, hello, you're just as good as this as everyone else, you know?
00:55:05.000And it's, well, we all know it's bullshit.
00:56:15.000I'm personally a fan of the idea of the nuclear family the nice little suburban home, the white picket fence, the 2.3 kids, and the barbecues on Saturdays.
00:56:30.000But it's something that's kind of slipped away.
00:56:32.000And I mean, we look at modern society with high divorce rates, with unhappy people everywhere, because the emphasis on what a relationship is and the roles that people play in that relationship have been downplayed or, you know, just pushed aside.
00:57:01.000Maybe, maybe being a housewife and a mother and raising children and doing that isn't terrible.
00:57:07.000I don't know how people because there's this weird thing that goes on in the 21st century where people tend to look at the white picket fence nuclear family that you describe and they look at it very cynically and and they always use that as an example of what do you want to go back to the 50s?
00:57:23.000What do you want to go back to white picket fence and all that?
00:57:25.000I'm thinking, hell yeah, who thinks that what we have now is preferable to what we had then?
00:57:32.000In terms of you look at the cities, the cars, the architecture, family life, and you, oh, but this is preferable where people are getting blackout drunk.
00:57:56.000It's because they don't want to face the reality of what that, you know, the lifestyle that they're currently living in is like.
00:58:01.000It's almost a sanitized version that's presented to them.
00:58:03.000I think the best example of that would be.
00:58:05.000If you go back and watch, I know this is very weird, but if you go back and watch the very first reveal of the Nintendo Switch, there's a scene where she takes her Nintendo Switch and it's like an urban environment.
00:58:24.000Now go to a real city and see if anybody's doing that.
00:58:27.000You know, when you break apart the family unit, when everybody's just loving this new urbanized ideal of what our life should be, it's nowhere near the fantasy that's presented to most people.
00:59:16.000And we're driving around in our rustic Beetle from the 1960s, Volkswagen Beetle, and having a picnic, and we're taking pictures with an old camera.
00:59:36.000Or not, they're just alone drinking wine with their friends, and then they wake up, their mom's been calling them, and they're $100,000 in student loan debt and they don't have a job.
01:00:04.000Was that the one where the chick guilt tripped people after killing herself by sending out answering machine or machine messages about how guilty they were for this?
01:00:13.000Yeah, she set up an elaborate, like, I don't even know.
01:00:16.000I'm watching, I'm thinking, this is absurd.
01:00:21.000I just love the fact that's so narcissistic.
01:00:23.000I love the fact that this chick wanted the final word so bad she kills herself and then sends out messages blaming everybody that nobody can respond to.
01:00:39.000Well, and the best is that she sets up this like elaborate plan that unfolds over the course of it's like dominoes falling down, and finally the plan is revealed.
01:00:50.000And I'm watching this where there's like these teenagers and they're in high school.
01:00:53.000Does anybody remember any high schoolers being remotely that interesting, intelligent?
01:00:59.000They have something to say, give me a break.
01:01:01.000People kill themselves because they get made fun of because, like, they have a silly hat.
01:01:06.000Or if they got caught sleeping with this person.
01:01:09.000You know, the idea that, oh, they put together this highly sophisticated Rube Goldberg machine of voicemails and photographs.
01:01:26.000She's dead after all, but for some reason it works out just fine.
01:01:30.000Well, that's the funny part, too, is, you know, the whole point is why would you even go to that kind of trouble if you're not even going to get the satisfaction to see it all?
01:01:40.000I think people forget that when you die, it's like the story stops there.
01:03:09.000What was your stance on how the church, the Pope, handled their issue with pedophilia, kind of the cover up that took place over 50 years?
01:03:16.000I mean, what is your position on that?
01:03:18.000Oh, it was a very disappointing thing to see.
01:03:20.000I think what the Catholic church has really seen since Vatican II, if you want to really get into context, I think a lot of people are disappointed the way the church handled that.
01:03:32.000I don't mean that as a cop out, but I mean, you got to remember, I became like a conscious human being in like 2012.
01:03:37.000That's when I started, oh, this is, you know, I'm in the world, you know.
01:03:41.000But looking back, it's very unfortunate.
01:03:43.000It's disappointing the way that was handled.
01:03:46.000And the Catholic Church has been a tremendous disappointment in everything they've done for 50 years.
01:03:51.000What they've done for 50 years is tried to accommodate the modern world, is tried to accommodate people's sensibilities in this day and age.
01:03:58.000And that's largely separate from pedophilia, but I think it gets at the same point that it's unfortunate that the church leadership has failed the doctrine.
01:04:08.000The human beings who are fallible, who are sinners, that run the church, have really, I think, let down and been a disappointment for Catholics who want to see the doctrine spread.
01:04:19.000I'm a Catholic not because I'm the biggest fan of Pope Francis and Pope Benedict and all these people.
01:04:24.000I'm a Catholic because I believe that Jesus Christ established the church.
01:04:29.000By building the church on the rock, which was Peter, and that his successors are the vicars of Christ on earth.
01:04:34.000And so that's what brought me to the Catholic faith, was realizing that and thinking about that system.
01:04:38.000But then I see the leadership and I say it's been in many ways a big letdown for people that want to see Catholicism spread without these horrible distractions, without these horrible missteps and cover ups and the appeal to modernism.
01:06:13.000We, the believers, know that God is real.
01:06:16.000The faith comes in that if God tells us one thing and we don't understand it or it's hard for us to wrap our heads around, we have to have faith that it is correct and carry it out.
01:06:26.000In the case of the Protestants, they have to have stronger faith and say, Christ established a church.
01:06:33.000He would protect that church from error.
01:06:34.000He would protect that church from Going against what he would want in matters of doctrine.
01:06:39.000But they saw some of the corruption that went on.
01:06:41.000And I don't deny that there was corruption, I don't deny that there have been popes who have not been the best representatives of Christ and his message.
01:06:52.000I mean, there's a lot of people nowadays, they call them, what do they call them?
01:06:56.000Sede Vacantists, where they say, well, all the popes have been false popes going back 100 years or 200 years or whatever.
01:07:03.000And it really has to be about faith that if you believe in Christ, you believe in his word, you believe in his church, well, you have to stick with the church even in times where you don't agree with everything that's going on, even though there's corruption.
01:07:14.000And there's been corruption in the church for 2,000 years, but it's never interfered with the doctrine.
01:07:39.000I don't believe that's totally part of the Catholic doctrine.
01:07:43.000So I'm not a subscriber to that book or the prophecies in there.
01:07:48.000I just don't think it's legitimate, but I guess we'll see what happens, right?
01:07:51.000I know there's some pretty harrowing prophecies about what's to come, and I know there is a lot of people will say there's a lot of congruence.
01:08:02.000I believe because, you know, like I said, I'm a big believer that Christ lived, died, was resurrected, and that his word, his doctrine has been protected.
01:08:11.000And I understand there's always this kind of rush to say, well, there's similarities here, and people read into kind of these doomsday prophecies.
01:08:17.000I don't totally buy into that kind of thing, but I guess we'll see what happens, right?
01:08:21.000I mean, do you buy into the Malachi stuff or no?
01:08:25.000I'm not Catholic, so I guess it wouldn't be fair to give too much of an opinion on this because, again, who cares what a Protestant thinks, right?
01:08:37.000I think a lot of what he says goes against doctrine and dogma.
01:08:40.000I think a lot of what he says goes against the church and just the faith itself.
01:08:44.000He's made some statements I've heard others explain away, but they resonate false with me, I guess.
01:08:52.000Him talking about just, you know, anybody can get into heaven, basically, and shit like that irks me when it comes to the cornerstone of the Christian faith.
01:10:31.000If he spoke in his powers as infallible, if he contributed to the magisterium and he.
01:10:38.000He was invoking his powers of infallibility, and he said something that went against doctrine or scripture, overturned pre existing doctrine.
01:10:47.000I would have to say it would really cause a crisis of faith because the whole point of why we believe in the papacy is because the doctrine has apostolic succession.
01:10:57.000It's never been reversed, it's been changed, it's been tweaked, but it's never been reversed.
01:11:02.000And if something was reversed, if he spoke against scripture, if it was something that was wrong, obviously that would throw into question the foundation of the religion, which is that the Pope is infallible, that he is truly the vicar of Christ.
01:11:16.000So if that happened, And people say all the time, well, he said this, he said that.
01:11:50.000Yeah, I think in the first episode, if I remember, I was like the first or second episode, he talked about the problem with the modern church being that it's trying too hard to net people in, that it's becoming too open door, that it's tolerating everything rather than adhering to its traditional values and viewpoints.
01:12:05.000So his solution to that was to close the doors, to make it mysterious again, to cut off access to people.
01:12:11.000That's why he wouldn't appear in public and do things like that.
01:12:24.000You know, as a Christian, you look at that character.
01:12:26.000He's not exactly Christ like, but that kind of leadership, that kind of tone, I think is what's necessary for the Catholic Church at this point because it's true.
01:12:34.000Since Vatican II, and that's the correct diagnosis, we have been too willing to appease, to appeal to the modern world, to a satanic world order.
01:12:45.000You know, if Christ saw what was going on today, he would be turning over tables like he did in the temple.
01:12:50.000He would be doing what he did in that case.
01:13:35.000Well, you know, I always have to clarify in case I ever want to run for president, I can't go after Mormons too hard.
01:13:44.000But it's a little bit hocus pocus to me.
01:13:46.000As a Catholic, I mean, you look at the Joseph Smith and the stuff that went on, and they can become gods and they have to wear the special underwear.
01:13:55.000And maybe it's because I don't understand it totally.
01:13:58.000You know, granted, I haven't read the Book of Mormon in its entirety, but it's.
01:14:03.000I can't really wrap my head around it.
01:14:06.000There's some wild stuff in there about Native Americans being Jews from Egypt 6,000 years ago.
01:14:12.000Just some really crazy stuff in that book.
01:14:15.000I've read a little bit of it for a laugh.
01:16:30.000Who knows how to rebuild something like that?
01:16:32.000I mean, you need it to happen, I guess, piece by piece, but you certainly can't do it if you don't speak the same language, if you're not from the same place, don't have the same mannerisms, God, et cetera.
01:17:25.000It's kind of interesting because I was reading some article earlier in the week about how comedians are having like a political responsibility now, which I don't think is true, by the way.
01:17:36.000They said people like Stephen Colbert and others, John Oliver, now have to be political as well as comedians.
01:17:42.000And I think the corporate stuff is very vapid, but I think there is something to be said about the humorists like Jim.
01:17:49.000And I think the new wave of true to form humorists, people on the internet, I think are becoming that way.
01:17:56.000I think there's, there's, It has to be some element of intuitive understanding, of incisive wit about what's going on in some political context to make jokes that are relevant to people.
01:21:31.000Look, if you're Catholic, which I am, and you're aspiring to marriage and not just degenerate casual sex, you're not going to want to touch that kind of arrangement.
01:24:55.000Jeff 2 says It seems like the Fed joke gets thrown around a lot, but if the Feds are paying attention and infiltrating our movement, do you think they'll really let us get off the ground politically?
01:25:05.000Or will people like you end up like Rockwell or Long?
01:25:09.000Yeah, no, I don't think I'll ever end up like Rockwell.
01:25:18.000But no, there are Feds in the movement.
01:25:21.000I don't know any of them who are feds, but we know that there have to be feds because we know that the federal government does infiltrate right wing movements.
01:25:28.000Somebody sent me a text which said that the FBI or the CIA or some intelligence agency had thousands of people embedded in the Proud Boys.
01:25:37.000Now, he showed me all the evidence for it.
01:25:41.000Showed me that the FBI agent gave him his card and sent him an email and bought him lunch and told him about the extent of their operation.
01:25:50.000And I don't know, maybe that was just a very elaborate hoax.
01:26:01.000If we understand as axiomatic that that's happening, then all we have to do is think who is most likely to be the federal agent?
01:26:08.000Is it the people saying become a threat to the establishment?
01:26:12.000Or is it the people saying dox yourself, dox yourself, show everybody how extreme you are, say the bad word a little bit louder for everybody?
01:28:42.000You want to put yourself in a position where you're not one of those people in those depressing birthday photos.
01:28:48.000Where it's like their grandma's lighting the candles for them and they're 21 years old and there's no party, there's no friends, and there's like a weird family situation.
01:28:57.000So it's like an aunt that's there and it's dark and you have a bad haircut.
01:31:09.000It's not really so much, there's not really a finality to it.
01:31:12.000It's kind of always going to be in flux for the foreseeable future.
01:31:17.000Made by Milk says Jim is spot on with the consideration towards Generation Z. When their favorite guy gets booted for saying try hard sevens in the chat, I don't know what that means.
01:32:17.000And I always think about it in terms of young men should like action, should like being unfiltered, being honest, being tough, being cool, not caring what people think.
01:32:28.000I mean, the archetype of a man is like a Clint Eastwood, a Steve McQueen.
01:32:32.000These days, the archetype of a man is like Seth Rogen it's like a chuckling, drugged out doofus who has all the right opinions and is nice to his girlfriend.
01:33:08.000You know, people say I'm a bridge burner, but if you don't cross me, if you don't attack me, if you don't give me a reason, I'm a very loyal person.
01:33:16.000And even with Paul Nealon, he was doing things that were reprehensible.
01:33:19.000And all I did was offer, well, I said I can't really stand by some of the things he said.
01:33:40.000I didn't see any reason to attack him.
01:33:42.000Cloudstar says I was one of Tim Heidegger's biggest fans, but I suspected later that he might have a dark side, and then he went full cuck.
01:34:11.000Mel Gibson said something which was not so bad, in my opinion, and got totally ruined.
01:34:16.000And these people are rapists, and they get off scot free in many cases.
01:34:21.000Mushroom says, Hey, Nick, what's the difference between Fox and other MSM corporations?
01:34:26.000Well, if you look at the top big six media corporations and you look at who owns them, there's one crucial distinction between the owner of Fox, who I believe is Rupert Murdoch, and the others.
01:34:37.000For example, Bob Iger, who's one, and all the others.
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