00:00:29.000Should be very easy, actually, if you've been following me on Twitter, if you've been following this exchange.
00:00:34.000And I'll keep it brief for people that aren't following the Twitter drama so closely that want to hear about the news and the current events.
00:00:42.000It's worth talking about very briefly because I'm sure I'll be talking about it in the future with other people on this show or on other shows.
00:00:51.000But if you were watching on Twitter shortly before this program began to air, just a moment ago, I had tweeted last night that a good test for optics for the right wing, a good test for rhetoric.
00:01:05.000Basically, a litmus test for what we should be pursuing in terms of our politics.
00:01:10.000A good litmus test is will this be something that we could sell?
00:01:14.000Is this something that would be palatable to a blue collar Catholic white guy in Wisconsin?
00:01:21.000And I say this for a variety of reasons.
00:01:24.000I hear a lot of the LARPing on the religious side, on the historical side, on the political side from the alt right.
00:01:30.000For example, I hear about white Shinto from Eli Mosley and a little bit to a lesser extent James.
00:01:38.000And they talk about how we're going to adapt a Japanese racial folk religion to America, and that is supposed to supplant Christianity.
00:01:46.000And I think to myself, a good way to rule out things like this, a good way to rule out things like some of the rhetoric we hear from the more extreme elements, from Adam Wofford and from the siege crowd, is to think if I were talking to somebody in Janesville, Wisconsin, if I were talking to somebody like Paul Nealon, would this be palatable?
00:02:07.000Could they defend this to somebody at the lunch table?
00:02:10.000Could they defend this to their family at the dinner table or at Thanksgiving?
00:02:15.000Is this something that a regular, everyday American could buy?
00:02:18.000And I use the example of a white, blue collar, Catholic Wisconsinite because you look at the voting block, which will be important to us in the future nationalists, conservatives, white people.
00:02:31.000And electorally, the most important block and the most significant block for us, the greatest room for growth, is consolidating a white vote, consolidating an implicit and borderline explicit white vote.
00:02:46.000It's in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Iowa, Minnesota.
00:02:50.000These are the votes that we can take away from the Democrats.
00:02:53.000These are the votes we can take away from the liberals.
00:02:56.000These are the people who are prime for a turn, prime to be convinced to our side.
00:03:02.000These are people who, whether they sway right or left on economics, whether they sway right or left on foreign policy or trade, they have the fundamentals down of what the country's culture should look like.
00:03:15.000Should it be like the 1960s or should it be this atheist, pagan, degenerate hellhole like the 2010s have been, like the cosmopolitans want it to be?
00:03:29.000And Richard Spencer responds something to the effect that these Wisconsin blue collar Catholic people have not influenced culture, social policy, social norms for the past century.
00:03:41.000And thus we should not be appealing to them but rather to other people.
00:03:46.000And Mike Enoch jumps in, and some other people jump in.
00:03:49.000And I understand where they're coming from.
00:03:52.000And I respect what they're trying to do.
00:03:54.000I understand what they're trying to do.
00:03:56.000They are aiming, and Mike Enoch said this on the same thread they are aiming for a cultural transformation.
00:04:01.000Their vision is not so much electoral, it's not so much concrete political, like they want to see certain policies passed, but it's more of this qualitative shift.
00:04:13.000And it's an ambitious project in the zeitgeist, in the culture at large.
00:04:19.000That's why they're trying to appeal to young people.
00:04:20.000That's why they go to the college campuses and they try to appeal to young people because they understand that young people will be the future.
00:04:27.000Young people, Generation Z is more traditional.
00:04:40.000But my beef, and we've talked about it for the past few days on this show since Wednesday of last week, and that's why I'd like to get off of it in a moment.
00:04:48.000The challenge is this we have a very short window in terms of all the concrete things that these people would like to ignore or they don't think are a priority.
00:04:59.000For example, Richard Spencer might not care what the Wisconsinites think.
00:05:03.000Might not care if he makes these people uncomfortable.
00:05:07.000But you have to consider that in 2016, Donald Trump won the election and Hillary Clinton didn't.
00:05:14.000Because the white, blue collar voters in Wisconsin and people like them in Michigan and in Ohio and in Iowa and in North Carolina and in all other places across the country voted for Donald Trump, voted for Steve Bannon's economic nationalism, his America First agenda.
00:05:31.000Might be civic nat, you know, might be civ nat, cucky kind of stuff, but that's what won.
00:05:36.000And by virtue of Donald Trump winning that election in those states, winning those electoral votes, instead of seeing war in the Middle East, instead of seeing the TPP, instead of seeing higher taxes, instead of seeing nationalized health care, instead of seeing the legalization of 40 million illegal immigrants, instead of the acceleration of our electoral winter in places like Texas, Arizona, Nevada, Florida, and on and on and on, we are seeing somebody who is committed to building a wall.
00:06:28.000So I don't think there's a significant disagreement in terms of the goals, because I think the goals are separate.
00:06:35.000If we were trying to do something like Spencer is, which is a post American identitarian project, I would say he's doing it well.
00:06:43.000I would say he's doing what he intends to do, and I'm doing what I intend to do.
00:06:49.000So I don't think that that means we should, you know, there's like fighting going on.
00:06:54.000I don't think it's like there's this civil war.
00:06:56.000I don't want people to think like I'm the antithesis to Spencer, and I'm like, I don't want people to think like it's Spencer versus me for control.
00:07:04.000Like, that's not at all what I'm going for.
00:07:06.000I think we genuinely are after separate things, and for the same reason.
00:07:19.000But I don't think there's too much overlap in terms of what we're trying to accomplish and how to accomplish those things.
00:07:24.000I really think we're pursuing separate ends.
00:07:26.000And it's a matter of, you know, what do the people think is the priority here?
00:07:32.000Is it something that we can afford to give up on that we just concede the House, the Senate, the White House to the Democrats for 100 years?
00:07:40.000Is that a concession we're willing to make?
00:07:43.000In the hopes that we can change the culture through college tours?
00:07:46.000And I'm not even, I'm not trying to say that in a loaded way.
00:07:50.000I don't, I genuinely don't know because we've seen in the past that cultural movements are very impactful on politics.
00:07:56.000We know that politics is downstream from culture and planting these seeds in the short term is important.
00:08:01.000But, you know, of course, I come from the other side that once we see that electoral winter happen, once we see this demographic winter start to unfold, it's irreversible.
00:08:16.000And as much as we would like to see a cultural transformation, as much as we would like to see people.
00:08:22.000Be sympathetic to casual Roman salutes, perhaps, and we can work on that.
00:08:28.000In the meantime, tax policy is important.
00:08:31.000In the meantime, immigration policy is important.
00:08:34.000So that's the last we'll say about optics for this week.
00:08:37.000I know I promised yesterday that would be the last optics talk, but, you know, like I said, just when I think about it, they drag me back into the optics conversation.
00:08:44.000But there are some current events which I think are pursuant to this conversation.
00:08:49.000I think they're very important, but it'll be a nice change of pace to talk about something other than optics.
00:08:54.000I know some people don't enjoy that as much as others, but one of the major developments, of course, that we saw today was with Jeff Flake.
00:09:03.000Senator Jeff Flake from Arizona announced this afternoon that he would not be seeking re election in the 2018 GOP primary.
00:09:59.000I'm trying so hard to give it a fair hearing, you know, and, you know, maybe we'll hear these guys out, but it's impossible.
00:10:07.000I'll read you a little excerpt here from Jeff Flake's speech.
00:10:11.000He says, quote, reckless, outrageous, and undignified behavior has become excused and countenanced as, quote, telling it like it is when it is actually just reckless, outrageous, and undignified.
00:10:25.000And when such behavior emanates from the top of our government, It is something else.
00:10:50.000For 30 years, they didn't give a damn about anything.
00:10:53.000Didn't give a damn about the plunder of our resources through high taxes, through bad trade deals.
00:10:59.000Through the devaluation of our currency with the Federal Reserve.
00:11:03.000For 30 years, they didn't care about the invasion of our country from the South, from the East, from the West by the Third World invaders.
00:11:10.000They didn't care about the double standard that the middle class pays how much in taxes every year?
00:11:15.000We give something like 40% in taxes every year.
00:11:18.000And these people that wash up on our shores, they get free education, they get free health care, they get free everything.
00:11:24.000They get Social Security, and they haven't paid into the system at all.
00:11:27.000For 30 years, they've been silent on everything.
00:11:30.000They've been silent on everything their constituents cared about.
00:11:33.000The deaths of their constituents' children at the hands of radical Islamic terrorists, at the hands of illegal immigrants or just plain regular immigrants, at the hands of drug abuse that is imported from Mexico.
00:11:46.000But God forbid, God forbid, we finally get a real leader in the White House who is willing to stand up to all of that, willing to stand up and give a voice to the voiceless, give a voice to the constituents that have been subject to the worst elements of this hostile, occupied regime.
00:12:04.000And now, at long last, our politicians stand up and now they have a big problem.
00:12:10.000Now they're going to give their grandiose speeches.
00:12:13.000Now they have passion in their voices.
00:12:38.000Honestly, I am so, you know, when people talk about things that are going on, when people talk about the drugs and the gangs and the crime and the terrorists, it makes me mad.
00:12:47.000But more than anything, it makes me mad because we have people that we elect in our own government.
00:12:52.000Who we pay every year 40% of our income.
00:12:55.000And they go to Washington, D.C. on our dime and they get to wear their big fancy suits and they get to go to these dinners and they get to live like royalty and they screw us over.
00:13:07.000They are directly responsible for the deaths of our children, for the sacrifice of our brothers and sisters overseas.
00:13:14.000And finally, finally, when they stand up to say something, it's about democracy, it's about platitudes, it's about useless words and rhetoric.
00:13:24.000Politicians are to be regarded as men who have learned to talk and not to act.
00:13:58.000That's why this guy wouldn't be able to win in Arizona.
00:14:02.000He goes on to say, after he gives his big dramatic speech in the Senate, he goes on to say that, oh, you know, I wouldn't run because it would be a very narrow path of victory for me.
00:14:12.000He says, a traditional Republican like myself, I love when they give in the traditional.
00:14:32.000And he knows that he couldn't win on that platform.
00:14:35.000He knows that Donald Trump has shifted the center so far to the right for our people, for white America, for centrists, for Republicans, that to just be George W. Bush, he wouldn't stand a chance.
00:14:49.000Not a chance in hell could he win a state like Arizona being pro immigration.
00:14:56.000I mean, we get mad at the politicians who do this kind of stuff to us, but shame on us for not realizing.
00:15:02.000The bountiful, political, fertile ground there is for us to plant our seeds when you have guys like Jeff Flake, when you have guys like Steve Bannon.
00:15:52.000Do you think that moves the needle at all?
00:15:54.000Do you think Eminem's little rap song at the BET Awards, do you think that moved the needle at all for these people?
00:16:01.000You think the Russia stuff, you think if they talk about Paul Manafort a little bit more, that's going to move the needle in these swing states?
00:16:11.000People don't care about that because people care about the issues.
00:16:15.000As things get worse before they start to get better, as people like Donald Trump rise up, people like Paul Nealon and others, these insurgent candidates, we stand to gain everything.
00:16:26.000And that's why we have to be especially prudent in our messaging and in our tactics to not squander what we have in front of us.
00:16:38.000Four years ago, Mitt Romney runs unabashedly pro immigration, unabashedly pro legal immigration, and probably.
00:16:46.000Pro pathway to citizenship would have given these people a full pathway to citizenship.
00:16:51.000Four years ago, John, or four years before that, rather, John McCain, same thing.
00:16:56.000In the same year, 2008, you had a President George W. Bush, a Republican, who let in, in the first five years of his presidency, more immigrants than ever before in American history.
00:17:07.000Eight million immigrants in the first five years of his presidency.
00:17:10.000Four million, and this is telling, four million legal, four million illegal, and those are the illegals we know about.
00:17:17.000Do you not understand that in a matter of, what was it, 15 months of the 2016 election, Donald Trump made it impossible?
00:17:26.000He made it impossible for a moderate pro immigration Republican to win a Senate office in a safe Republican seat.
00:17:34.000Do you not understand the significance of this?
00:17:37.000That Marco Rubio was the favorite to win in the Republican primary.
00:17:42.000Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, and Ted Cruz, these were the favorites.
00:17:49.000But so let's say Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush are the favorites.
00:17:52.000Marco Rubio sponsored the Gang of Eight bill, which supported amnesty.
00:17:56.000Jeb Bush had a Mexican wife and he was speaking Spanish to everybody.
00:18:00.000Do you not understand the significance that these people were supposed to be the successors to George W. Bush?
00:18:07.000These were the people that were supposed to be the reaction to eight years of Marxism with Barack Obama and in a matter of 15 months, economic nationalism, whatever you want to call it, Steve Bannon, Donald Trump.
00:18:20.000They took that and made it unwinnable.
00:18:23.000In 15 months, they made it impossible for a Republican to run on that.
00:18:30.000That's the power of the movement we're talking about.
00:18:32.000That's the power of the optics, the rhetoric, the strategy that we have before us that people want to turn their nose up at and say, you know, not good enough.
00:20:47.000$100 that Trump would win after the GOP primary in July of 2016.
00:20:53.000I bet another $100 that Trump would win on 9 11 of 2016 when Hillary Clinton fainted in New York City.
00:21:01.000And I bet another, I think I bet $150 additionally on October 12th, the night of the second debate, after Donald Trump told Hillary Clinton she would be in jail if someone like him would be in charge of the law in this country.
00:21:16.000I was right when I said, Donald Trump would appoint conservative Supreme Court justices.
00:21:20.000I was right when I said that Donald Trump wasn't going to war in Syria.
00:21:23.000That the missile strike in April of this year, the single, or rather, it was 52 missiles that were fired on one airport in Syria, that that was a display of force to Xi Jinping, who was staying at Mar a Lago that weekend.
00:21:37.000I was right when I said that Donald Trump was not going to enshrine DACA in law, and that just got shot down last week.
00:21:42.000And I was right with President Trump on the refugee resettlement, and that is a perfect segue into the next topic here.
00:21:50.000It was announced today that as a result of the 120 day ban on refugees expiring, we remember the second travel ban that went into effect after it was upheld by the Supreme Court a couple of months ago.
00:22:04.000That expired today so that refugees could resume coming in.
00:22:08.000And Donald Trump on the same day passed a memo or a memorandum that banned refugees that do not have higher level security screening from Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Mali, North Korea, Somalia, South Sudan, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen.
00:22:28.000The people that have supported President Trump, the people that have been in line with Bannon and Trump and American nationalism and have not lost hope in the implicit, we've been winning every day.
00:24:36.000And moreover, the people are not willing to do what it takes to affect change in the way that they want to see it.
00:24:43.000You know, they point to like, Other cultural movements like the Frankfurt School, for example.
00:24:48.000But the Frankfurt School wasn't influential because they were doing rallies and they were holding thousand man rallies where people get killed.
00:24:56.000They weren't like holding college speaking tours where there were massive protests and they were suing people.
00:25:01.000No, no, they were infiltrating academia.
00:25:08.000They were infiltrating, they had their own country, you know?
00:25:11.000So this idea that like we're rivaling anything that happened before and like that's some kind of parallel, I'd like.
00:25:18.000Maybe I'd like to see that kind of strategy play out, but I'm not seeing it play out.
00:25:22.000I'm seeing a hybrid of two things, and it's failing.
00:25:26.000So we have to look at the things that are working.
00:25:29.000Donald Trump, Steve Bannon, the alt light, we can change them for the better, but we have to be reasonable.
00:25:36.000We have to be pragmatic about how we're going to change that.
00:25:40.000It's not a big leap to go from these alt light guys and the Steve Bannon and the Donald Trump to some of the things we're saying, so long as we're tactful about saying them.
00:25:49.000You know, you can watch my speech from a couple of weeks ago at US Inc., where I talk about immigration.
00:27:27.000Just in and of itself, I mean, aside from the optics talk, I think it's a good thing that we see that President Trump really is our guy.
00:27:35.000You know, if we could divorce it from trying to lecture people about why, you know, that's exemplary of good optics, just in the politics of itself, Donald Trump has proven that he is absolutely our guy.
00:27:48.000And I'm very tired of hearing people like doubt him and get blackpilled about him or say like, you know, he's against us.
00:27:55.000Because I hear that all the time from people I know, and every time they get proven wrong.
00:28:00.000You know, everybody who said that he was going to turn his back on us with immigration.
00:28:07.000The magnitude of that, like how intense the depression was on the right wing when the supposed DACA deal was struck between Trump and Pelosi and Schumer.
00:28:19.000I mean, all we had was a statement from Chuck Schumer that evening.
00:28:22.000Nothing confirmed, no deal, no legislation, which is what I said, by the way.
00:28:27.000And everybody from alt light to alt right was jumping the bandwagon, jumping ship.
00:28:45.000And I said, look, you know, if there's legislation, if there's a bill and he supports it and people in Congress support it, it'll be time to panic.
00:28:55.000I said, but I don't think that's the case.
00:28:57.000I said, look, he ran on this platform.
00:29:00.000I said, he's been talking about these issues for 40 years.
00:29:04.000I don't think he's going to quit them because he got a little bit of good press coverage.
00:29:08.000And everybody said, oh, Nick, you're young and naive.
00:29:11.000You're young and idealistic and optimistic.
00:29:14.000You're too young to see the black pills that I've seen.
00:29:17.000Donald Trump has gotten a taste of good press coverage with the bill he passed with Democrats for relief for Hurricane Harvey, and therefore he is definitely cucking on DACA.
00:29:27.000And I said, you know, that's not convincing.
00:29:47.000I suppose there is some merit in maybe playing dumb to an extent, maybe pretending like you don't see it, because obviously that creates public pressure for the president.
00:29:58.000And certainly people should voice their concerns.
00:30:00.000It should be, you know, if you're going to go down this road, which is what the rhetoric suggests, based purely on the things he says, we would not support you.
00:30:10.000We would kick you out in the midterms and in the general election.
00:30:13.000But I think that if people keep it in the back of their heads that, That is just contrary to the facts, and we shouldn't get carried away with ourselves.
00:30:21.000I think that'd be a major benefit because, you know, he's more than proven himself by now in the things he says and the things he's done.
00:30:28.000I mean, do you think it's like a coincidence that Steve Miller shot down the DACA deal?
00:30:34.000Do you think it's a coincidence that, like, rogue White House aide Stephen Miller torpedoed the grand bargain on immigration between Trump and Schumer and Pelosi?
00:30:43.000Or do you think it's much more reasonable that Trump.
00:30:49.000And he did it just to service the destruction of Luther Strange in Alabama and the ascendancy of Steve Bannon and Roy Moore.
00:30:57.000And the same is true with the refugee development today.
00:31:00.000And it's funny, too, because I see what the mainstream media, I see The Hill does a report for today, and they say the refugee program continues.
00:31:08.000Donald Trump passes an executive order, and refugees can start coming in the country again.
00:31:13.000And if I saw just that, and I know a lot of people see just that from the mainstream media, And they say, whoa, Donald Trump has cucked.
00:31:23.000But then you see from the Washington Examiner, or you see from the Daily Caller, that actually, at the same time that the refugee program supposedly resumed, he put a complete halt on all refugee resettlement from 11 or 10 Muslim countries plus North Korea indefinitely.
00:31:43.000You know, do you see how the mainstream media manipulates people with that?
00:31:47.000And do you see how some people on the right allow themselves, maybe deliberately, to be manipulated by that to service their own agenda, to service their own business?
00:31:57.000Because if anybody paid like 15 minutes of attention to the story, if they just Googled, literally, if you Google refugees today, both stories will come up and you'll find that, you know, if you're a refugee from Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Mali, Somalia, South Sudan, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen, I mean, those are like the worst Muslim countries.
00:32:18.000I would maybe throw in like Algeria, maybe Morocco, maybe Indonesia, I don't know, maybe Pakistan, not sure.
00:32:27.000But these are all the significant Muslim countries that is even better, in my opinion, than the original travel ban.
00:32:33.000Because if you remember, the original travel ban was seven countries, and then the revised travel ban was six countries.
00:32:41.000And so Donald Trump extended it to 11 countries, and that's not even in the news.
00:34:09.000The one more topic we have before we will get into super chats, the last thing we'll get into before we check out our live chat is the situation with Kid Rock.
00:34:21.000I saw today on the Howard Stern program, Kid Rock told everybody he's not running for Senate.
00:34:27.000And I don't know about you guys, I'm a little mad about that because he made us all believe he was running and everybody believed him.
00:34:34.000You know, remember at that concert, he had a podium, he had the American flag stuff.
00:34:39.000And he was telling everybody all he was doing this like political, like Muhammad Ali poem thing.
00:34:46.000And he was polling, I think, higher than most Republicans in the GOP primary for Michigan.
00:34:52.000And then he tells us today on Howard Stern, like, you're an idiot if you thought I was running, which I'm kind of glad about, but at the same time, a little pissed about.
00:35:00.000On the one hand, it's he should have never like said he was going to run, in my opinion, because, you know, in a way, Donald Trump set kind of a bad precedent that he was like a Hollywood guy.
00:35:19.000So, in a way, he sort of set this false precedent that celebrities can and should run and they'd be successful, which is wrong.
00:35:27.000Because Donald Trump, if you look at the skill set that he had, he was a businessman, he was a billionaire.
00:35:33.000He, you know, when you run a private company, which is different than a publicly traded company, different than a corporation, when you run a private company, it is a lot like being the chief executive of a country.
00:35:45.000You know, you think of the roles of executive as sort of parallel, both in a company and with a country, in the sense that.
00:35:52.000They have to have a good eye for talent.
00:35:53.000They have to be good with organizational skills.
00:35:59.000They have to get people to stick to a timeline.
00:36:02.000They have to be able to take responsibility or assign responsibility.
00:36:06.000They have to be strategic in their thinking.
00:36:08.000That's why a billionaire owner of a private real estate company who's dealt with politicians and contractors would be a good fit for the chief executive of a country because you see the same skill set that's required.
00:36:22.000That's all the difference in the world between.
00:36:24.000A rock star who does drugs and has sex with groupies and is an artist, basically.
00:36:32.000So, on the one hand, I was a little bit glad because I was a little bit skeptical of Donald Trump and him winning only because you do set that bad precedent that celebrities will want to run.
00:36:44.000And it had nothing to do with the fact that he was a celebrity, but more that he was a good executive of a private company.
00:36:50.000But then on the flip side, you wanted to see that just because it would be a slap in the face to the establishment.
00:36:56.000It would take all the prestige, all the, you know, all the pomp out of being a congressman, which would have been great.
00:37:03.000You know, it's a, you know, John McCain is no different than Kid Rock.
00:37:08.000All these people who have been so polite about it are clowns.
00:37:11.000You know, if they're sitting alongside Kid Rock, it would just make it a big joke, which is what it's become.
00:37:16.000So on an accelerationist level, I would have liked to see that.
00:37:19.000But beyond that, it was just kind of deceptive and misleading.
00:37:23.000I wasn't thrilled with it that he said he wasn't going to run.
00:37:26.000Wouldn't that be funny, though, if he did win?
00:37:29.000You know, he was running and he did win, and he got into the Senate and, you know, he was making speeches or something while he was being Kid Rock.
00:38:12.000Yes, well, you know, I'd like to be consistent.
00:38:14.000I think people appreciate the consistency of this show.
00:38:17.000I think what you have with this sort of fringe right and even the alt light is a lot of it's a lack of follow through with a lot of these groups.
00:38:26.000It's a lack of consistency, it's a lack of professionalism.
00:38:30.000And I hope that just by the very virtue of, you know, being on time and wearing a suit and having a show that's a little bit put together.
00:38:38.000I can inject, I don't know, a modicum of seriousness, of professionalism to this movement, because a lot of these guys, it's just sort of ad hoc.
00:38:46.000You know, a lot of these projects have just sort of fallen through.
00:38:49.000There's not really a lot of regularity, there's not really a lot of consistency, you know, and I think that's kind of embodied by Periscope, where it's like sometimes you do it, sometimes you don't.
00:38:59.000Sometimes it's now, sometimes it's then.
00:39:01.000Sometimes it's morning, sometimes it's night, you know, or you're in a t shirt or whatever.
00:39:05.000So glad you appreciate the consistency.
00:39:33.000Look, James told me if you want to be mad at somebody, if you want to see some world class passing the buck, James told me last week, he said, If you retweet the links, I'll post your shows on Spreaker every night.
00:41:26.000And I think that's what I'm getting at.
00:41:27.000I think that's what many people are getting at is you can have people be against all immigration.
00:41:32.000You could have people be for a white supermajority in the United States and not necessarily be for liberal use of racial slurs and not necessarily be in support of rallies where people get shot.
00:41:45.000By literal Nazis who talk about how they love Hitler and throw up the Roman salute.
00:41:51.000So, yeah, we should speak the truth, but optics do matter, and especially for a fledgling movement like this.
00:43:10.000If you're not in the Discord group already, jump in the Discord group and whatever it is, we could make a separate chat and you could post them in there or something.
00:43:18.000But yeah, I mean, that would be great as long as the optics were good and they weren't taking our message and putting it in a bucket of poop like some of these other guys do with the optics stuff that they do that they just don't care about.
00:43:48.000It is difficult with the demographic situation for older people, that issue in particular, because they do not understand the gravity of it.
00:43:58.000They do not understand the reality of it because it is not relevant to them, it is not a present concern for them.
00:44:06.000When you talk to them about how this will not be a white majority country, That doesn't compute to them.
00:44:13.000They grew up in a country that was white, that had always been white.
00:44:17.000They grew up in a country where casual racism was everywhere and on television.
00:44:21.000So when you tell them, hey, in 50 years, I'm going to be discriminated against for being white, we're going to be a minority in our own country, that number one, it doesn't make any sense to them because that's just not what they know.
00:44:33.000That's like telling them about flying cars and robots.
00:44:53.000We think about being middle aged and having a 20 year old kid and then being killed in the streets of some major city because the demographics are not as they are now.
00:45:03.000I mean, it's a reality for us that our kids will be a minority in their schools, in their city, in whatever else.
00:45:11.000So that's why it's especially difficult to convince them.
00:45:17.000You know your parents better than I do.
00:45:18.000You have to appeal to them in ways that make sense.
00:45:21.000For example, say if demographics don't matter, would it be okay if 100 million Africans immigrated to America and there was just a majority black country?
00:45:35.000You have to take it to the logical extreme, I think, for people to see why, in principle, it's no good.
00:45:41.000People understand there's something intuitively wrong with that.
00:45:44.000And also show them the Trans Pacific Partnership that Paul Ryan supported.
00:45:48.000Trans Pacific Partnership, the litigation that it created, that it allowed the precedent for, it would have corporations that would be able to sue sovereign governments if they impeded their sales.
00:46:01.000I mean, you could watch my video with Paul Nealon.
00:46:23.000Because people are boring or they're trolls, and I don't like being rude to people.
00:46:27.000But look, you know, I have a show, and people watch it because it's entertaining, because I do this thing every day, and I have been doing it every day like a hundred times in the however many months this show's been around.
00:46:40.000People that call in that they want to, they think it's their moment to shine.
00:47:52.000And so, there's a reason why I do my show.
00:47:55.000If I didn't know how to talk, I wouldn't be doing a show.
00:47:57.000But people call in and they think, you know, you got some old Joe Schmo who doesn't want to talk to his wife about this stuff or doesn't want to talk to his kids about this stuff.
00:48:06.000And I don't know, maybe the postman's tired of hearing them.
00:48:09.000So he says, I'm going to call up the station and I'm going to give him a piece of my mind.
00:48:51.000A lot of the modern Republicans don't like the national park stuff because they're these like neoliberal big business at any cost just because it spites lefties.
00:49:02.000You know, the National Park Service is one of the great acts of a president, in my opinion.
00:49:07.000You have the speak softly, carry a big stick.
00:49:11.000I mean, he kind of reshaped foreign policy.
00:49:14.000I mean, his adaptation of the Monroe Doctrine, I think, set a pretty Healthy precedent for what an American nationalist foreign policy would look like, what a non interventionist foreign policy would look like.
00:49:27.000Not isolationist, but a non interventionist.
00:49:35.000You know, I've been very much against monopolies as I've drifted farther to the right, more of an NRX as opposed to a libertarian position.
00:50:56.000And I think that reflects in his speaking style, which is, I don't think it's totally equipped to handle the task of what needs to be the movement.
00:51:09.000I think that's good for an intellectual, for a thought leader, which I think is what he is.
00:51:13.000But I don't know if he's angling to be a politician.
00:51:16.000I would say that what he's doing is good for what he wants to do.
00:51:19.000But if you're trying to be a politician, I would say that style would be generally ineffective.
00:51:24.000And I don't know if that's anything to do with, I think he's just not going for that.
00:51:28.000Like a populist, you think of a populist like an Oswald Mosley, you think of a populist like William Jennings Bryan, like Donald Trump, where it's bombastic.
00:51:37.000It's simple, it's loud, it's authentic, it's genuine, and more importantly, it keeps it simple and concise.
00:51:47.000He's a smart guy, and it comes off I don't know if it comes off as the populist message, but then again, I don't think he's going for a populist message.
00:51:55.000So I don't know if it's autistic, and it doesn't annoy me.
00:51:59.000I think it's interesting, but I just don't think it's suited to what a political populist movement would look like, if that's fair.
00:52:07.000I don't know if that's a fair analysis there.
00:52:23.000I almost went into something about Chuck Johnson, but no, you mean Greg Johnson.
00:52:27.000Don't know who that is, so no thoughts on Greg Johnson.
00:52:32.000Cool Apple says Would you agree that more an intellectual looks into politics, the more they understand the need for a relatively authoritarian government?
00:52:41.000Not necessarily, because you have intellectuals that are libertarians.
00:52:46.000It's just a matter of what is your opinion of human nature.
00:52:50.000It's a matter of are you a progressive or are you a traditionalist?
00:52:54.000A progressive says, and liberals in particular believe, that men are like destined to be free and through freedom they will become better and society will become better and everything can get better.
00:53:08.000And traditionalists say, more or less, we are subject to destiny, we are subject to fate, subject.
00:53:16.000Excuse me, to cycles of history subject to human nature, and freedom is not really a determinant in that.
00:53:24.000I think there's this weird, like liberals and political science people today have a systematic view of history.
00:53:33.000They have a things become view of history where they see causal relationships as opposed to the more Faustian politician or political thinker who sees history as organic, as natural, as just sort of happening.
00:53:49.000And whether it's free, whether it's not, it's going to happen no matter what, and things will play out the way they will.
00:53:58.000So it's really just a matter of your temperament.
00:54:01.000I think it kind of depends on what kind of person you are, what kind of thinker you are, which way you go down that route.
00:54:07.000You know, some people, I think intellectuals tend more towards authoritarianism because they recognize things that are true, and they probably are more stubborn in their convictions.
00:54:17.000And therefore, that lends itself to an authoritarian worldview that things.
00:54:21.000Should be this way, and people like me should say so, and people like me should enforce it.
00:54:27.000That's like the fatal conceit, as Bastiat would say, or Hayek would say.
00:54:34.000Whereas equally smart libertarians would say, well, nobody knows the answer, and therefore nobody can dictate.
00:54:40.000So I don't know if it's really so much one way or the other, but I get what you mean.
00:54:45.000Undefined says George Lincoln Rockwell's White Power, Chapter 12, is eye opening.
00:54:50.000Yeah, and what happened to George Lincoln Rockwell?
00:55:14.000And it didn't turn into anything significant at all.
00:55:17.000And at a time when it could have, at a time when it should have, you know, he was preaching white power at a time when people might have agreed with that as opposed to now.
00:55:59.000People look at even to an extent Mosley.
00:56:01.000I mean, you can admire the talent of Mosley and want to emulate the emotive style of Mosley, but you have to recognize at the end of the day that the black shirts lost.
00:56:13.000I'm not like we're trying to do the same things, but you see people who claim to be a part of our movement that celebrate these characters.
00:56:21.000And besides the fact that we don't agree with them ideologically, we're not socialists.
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