00:03:50.000I was going to make fun of you for your boomer level understanding of technology, but then I just had technical issues of my own right then.
00:03:59.000That's what happens, you know, because look, I like to think I've gotten better at the technology, but, you know, it's just, I think it's the technology itself sometimes, right?
00:05:25.000And that's what we want to preserve, David.
00:05:27.000That's what we're trying to preserve on the show.
00:05:30.000So the first thing I wanted to talk to you about, I want to get into just general, because I'd like to have you on for a debate in the future.
00:05:36.000I know the first time I reached out to you, I said, Do you want to debate?
00:05:39.000There wasn't really anything pressing at the time.
00:05:42.000So, this will just be kind of an introduction.
00:05:55.000And so, you're obviously, for people who may not be aware, Faith Goldie, Red Ice, Millennial Matt all got kicked off of PayPal this week.
00:06:03.000They got their account suspended because of hate speech or something to that effect.
00:06:09.000And I saw that you were out there saying, well, this is hypocritical because.
00:06:13.000All conservatives are about the free market.
00:06:15.000All conservatives are about this standard argument about discrimination and that kind of thing.
00:06:22.000And so just tell us a little bit about your takes on that issue.
00:06:26.000Well, I think it's basically, as far as I'm concerned, like when you're engaging in this sort of online politics stuff, you're not owed a check for it.
00:06:41.000And no organization owes you some, like, Owes you a service to fund yourself.
00:06:49.000As far as I'm concerned, like Patreon has no legal responsibility to facilitate transactions.
00:06:59.000So, as far as I'm concerned, if they don't want you on there, then they don't have to have you on there.
00:07:20.000Stripe has the right to suspend those services.
00:07:23.000But I guess then we get into several questions, which is ought they to?
00:07:27.000Ought they serve people, even if they disagree with their political positions?
00:07:32.000And if not, if you say they ought not to serve people like Faith Goldie, Red Ice, and whomever, what do you think the limits are to that kind of discrimination?
00:07:40.000Because I look at something like that where I know a lot of people would say they've got the right to, but if you are, if we're in the internet age, And there are a select few amounts of payment processors which are out there, constitutes either a monopoly or an oligopoly.
00:07:56.000Do you not think that those kinds of services, it is in the interest of the public that they should serve people and not discriminate based on viewpoint?
00:08:07.000I think that when you're dealing with stuff like this, you've got to understand that this isn't just about specifically political viewpoint.
00:08:18.000This is about, and you can't entirely blame them for taking down people with certain social views.
00:08:29.000Like, Patreon doesn't just take down right wingers.
00:08:31.000They take down, like, different, like, anti FUG groups who are interested in doxing and all that stuff.
00:08:38.000They, so it's not just like they have a terms of service.
00:08:43.000You kind of agree to that terms of service when you go up.
00:08:47.000And as far as I, like, from what I can tell, they just don't like the idea of having to fund certain groups because those groups are, you know, Causing harm.
00:09:00.000And as far as, like, I think at this point, like, how do you really tell a business, okay, you have to now fund me because even though funding me is going to harm your profits, it's just not going to happen.
00:09:20.000This is like, you can not like it all you like, you cannot like it, but this is capitalism.
00:09:41.000I mean, it is capitalism, but I think the mistake you and many of your compatriots on the left have is that everyone on the right is gung ho about the free market.
00:09:52.000And I think many people who watch this show are not.
00:09:54.000I mean, certainly there are a lot of more conventional type people, but I think that it is in the interest of the state.
00:10:00.000To uphold the public interest, the public good.
00:10:02.000And that means that, and I understand the argument that says that, well, PayPal should not fund, but it's really PayPal which is facilitating the funding.
00:10:10.000They actually make money off of the funding of these different organizations.
00:10:14.000And anyway, I think that it's a nice idea to say, well, they should be able to pick and choose.
00:10:20.000But the problem becomes when their terms of services can basically be manipulated according to whatever preferences the owner or owners of PayPal are or have.
00:10:32.000Can they say one day, for example, that they will ban all left wing people, that they will ban all black people, they will ban all, you know, pick and choose any group?
00:10:40.000Twitter affirmed, and this is not PayPal, this is Twitter, but Twitter affirmed in their lawsuit with Jared Taylor, they said, we uphold, or rather, we reserve the right to ban any group for any reason based on their race, based on immutable characteristics, which are outlawed in the Civil Rights Act.
00:10:59.000So for you, if you say, well, this is capitalism, that's how it goes.
00:11:04.000How comfortable would you be if that were extended to people that maybe you care for and don't want to see someone?
00:11:10.000I'm not actually entirely comfortable with it being thrown around willy nilly.
00:11:14.000I just think that there are certain situations.
00:11:17.000And when it comes to, as far as I'm concerned, when it comes to social media and stuff, I think it's entirely pointless to engage in this sort of mass trying to create these terms of service that shut down different political views.
00:11:35.000As far as I'm concerned, because this shit hits left wingers as well.
00:11:40.000And a lot of us know this is that for every white genocide video that gets taken down, there's a video criticizing the white genocide stuff that gets taken down.
00:11:52.000Any YouTuber that's done something against the alt right, they've been mass flacked.
00:11:59.000So, as far as I'm concerned, I think it's an inherent problem with having bots deal with stuff like that.
00:12:04.000But I think there's a significant difference between your access to social media and your access to presenting a message and your right to make money from a crowdfunding website.
00:12:18.000And I can understand why crowdfunding sites would be concerned with the idea of funding groups that are.
00:12:31.000Like, they can be a bit shady at times.
00:12:33.000And I'm not necessarily saying any specific group is, but when you deal with certain white nationalist groups, they do tend to have ties to former neo Nazi groups.
00:12:46.000They tend to be tied to violence and stuff like that.
00:12:50.000So I just don't think it's a good idea.
00:12:53.000I can understand why it wouldn't be a good idea, like, even morally, for them to start.
00:12:58.000Funding them or facilitating the funding.
00:13:00.000There is nothing stopping you from going, send checks to me.
00:13:29.000I think the idea of money being considered free speech is stupid.
00:13:33.000And I think the American legal system doesn't agree with it either because they don't consider that there are lots of different financial things you can't pay someone for, but you can do.
00:13:46.000So if I can say what I want, but the only way that I can say it is basically to other people interpersonally, I can't go online, can't go on a newspaper, and I can't feed myself.
00:14:05.000But then, in terms of, all right, so let's say you're on social media, but if you can't make money from it, if you're not able, and you're fired from your job as well, because, I mean, this is a reality.
00:14:14.000You could say, oh, well, we're not responsible for that, but that is what's happening.
00:14:18.000People make it so that, in my case and many other people's cases, some people more so, it becomes impossible to hold or express certain views without being basically sanctioned and embargoed economically for the most part, with the exception of.
00:14:33.000If you have some kind of connection, some kind of a private thing.
00:14:36.000And really, we get back to not what is legal or apropos in a free market system, but what is in the public interest.
00:14:44.000Is it in the public interest that if somebody expresses a dissident view, that they are able essentially to be sanctioned?
00:14:50.000Now, you could say, and I think it's in the interest.
00:14:52.000I think it's going to happen anyway, to be honest.
00:15:09.000But then at the very least, people should be able to make content or make these kinds of statements and have people give them money.
00:15:16.000And remember, it's not even like PayPal is funding them directly.
00:15:19.000They're only facilitating the transfer of money across long distances so that it's not, you have to write out a check, put it in the mail, and send it.
00:15:26.000I mean, effectively, it's a matter of expediency.
00:16:07.000But you know, the thing is that, and this is something with the alt right and just sort of far right groups online, is that unfortunately no one likes you.
00:16:44.000You look at, for example, Tucker Carlson.
00:16:47.000Tucker Carlson is seen by many, even left wing people like yourself, as an avatar, if not a lighter version, but an avatar of our kinds of.
00:16:55.000Nationalistic views, and he's wildly successful on Fox News.
00:16:59.000Donald Trump, in many ways, he is a wildly successful dog whistling crypto fascist.
00:17:04.000As far as I'm concerned, well, you guys, the only way you guys can ever get popularity is by pretending not to be as extreme as you actually are.
00:17:13.000Because, okay, well, hold on a second.
00:17:17.000So you go from your views are not popular to, well, okay, your views are extremely popular, but you just have to keep them quiet because otherwise things like PayPal happen.
00:17:52.000To be honest, if anything, especially with politicians and elected officials, they seem to present themselves as more left wing than they actually are.
00:18:45.000He wasn't saying anything like that in 2008 when he was running.
00:18:48.000And look, the point is not to say, the point is simply to say, you say, oh, well, Tucker Carlson can only become popular because he's dog whistling.
00:18:56.000People don't like your views if you really represent them.
00:18:58.000Well, that's a matter simply of optics, which is my favorite, or rhetoric.
00:19:02.000But to pretend that both sides don't play that game.
00:19:18.000So it's pretty common that a lot of right wing voices recently have just come out as ethno nationalists when they've been pretending to be civic nationalists for the past several months.
00:19:50.000I think if you brought up somebody like a Donald Trump, like a Tucker Carlson, the people we've been talking about who are mainstream, popular, they don't have to misrepresent their views.
00:22:00.000Number one, because we didn't have a massive illegal problem.
00:22:03.000And when we did, we just shipped them out in massive numbers.
00:22:06.000We didn't have, since the 65 Immigration Act, we didn't have people pouring across the border like we do now in the last 35, 40 years or so.
00:22:15.000So I think you have to recognize that the context has changed a little too.
00:22:17.000But, you know, all of this is to say, you say our views are not popular.
00:22:23.000People want to give Faith Goldie money.
00:22:25.000People want to support us financially, support us online.
00:22:29.000If they didn't, PayPal wouldn't need to shut us down, but they do.
00:22:32.000And so I think that you're saying, well, you know, PayPal doesn't have to cater because that's a free market baby.
00:22:39.000I think it almost goes against your ideology, which is supposed to be about what's in the public interest, not what's the rules in capitalism, right?
00:22:46.000I mean, don't you think there's a public interest in that?
00:25:19.000The only people that Twitter bans on the left are people who are like the most over the top, the most explicit in terms of violence, or they say a swear word or something.
00:25:29.000You know, they ban an Antifa person planning a terror attack.
00:25:31.000On our side, you have to, oh, well, aren't they doing this?
00:26:44.000And he didn't get banned because he posted a fake tweet.
00:26:48.000He got banned because he was tweeting at Leslie Jones.
00:26:51.000And as a result of what he was tweeting, His followers did.
00:26:54.000Now, I've seen it happen before where people explicitly say, Go after this guy, go after that guy, and I report them and they don't get kicked off for targeted harassment.
00:27:03.000And Milo, wait, wait, but Milo didn't say that.
00:27:05.000Milo just tweeted at them and as a result of him tweeting at her, people tweeted.
00:27:09.000It's not like he called them and he got kicked for targeted harassment anyway.
00:30:33.000The substance of the 14 words is effectively that White Lives Matter.
00:30:36.000It's saying we have to secure the existence of our people, we need to make sure that our people are still here, and a future for our people.
00:30:44.000If you said, hey, To a black person, do you think it's important that we secure the future for black people and a future for black children?
00:30:51.000Do you think that would be a controversial thing to say?
00:30:55.000Well, there's a difference between our people.
00:30:58.000In that context, you're talking about securing the existence of the white race and keeping racial purity.
00:31:06.000That's what the actual implications of those words were.
00:31:08.000When the guy who made them, the guy who came up with that phrase, that was what he meant by it.
00:31:23.000I think the substance is much more important, you know, because we look at what's happening to, and this is what they're explicitly saying about the European population.
00:31:32.000They're talking about in the future, there won't even be any white people.
00:31:35.000I mean, they celebrate this in Canada.
00:31:37.000They say there's a government sponsored video where they say the future is beige and that kind of stuff.
00:31:43.000I mean, so if we're talking about context.
00:31:46.000As cringy as that video was, that's because normies don't understand biology.
00:31:52.000Like dominant and recessive genes, there's never going to be zero white people until the human race starts dying out.
00:31:58.000Well, let's talk about in 2100 when it's predicted that in Canada, white people will be 23% of the population just based on current projections.
00:32:07.000Well, in 100 years, they will have gone from about 100 to 23.
00:33:07.000Well, it's not just lower birth rates, it's mass immigration, high fertility rates.
00:33:11.000The subsidization of higher birth rates and race mixing.
00:33:14.000I mean, if that were happening, do you think people would so cavalierly say, well, you know, black people will be a very, very tiny minority, you know, a small, small fraction of what they are now in 100 years, globally, not just within one country.
00:33:38.000Well, I don't think you're being entirely honest.
00:33:40.000The further left you go, like, the more anti Israel and, um, Like you go anyway.
00:33:45.000So, like, this whole idea that suddenly we'd be okay with, we would just not be okay with Jews, less Jews existing because they didn't have kids and start race mixing or something sounds anti Semitic to me.
00:34:03.000As far as I know, Jews actually do marry out more, like statistically more than white people do.
00:34:10.000I'm not totally sure about that in America, but I mean, regardless of that fact, if you have a Jewish wife, The child is considered Jewish anyway.
00:34:17.000Yeah, well, that's exactly the problem then.
00:34:19.000So you've got a different way of defining what Jew is.
00:34:22.000It's sort of like this weird amalgamation of ethno religious identity.
00:34:27.000So it's not something that can really be considered the same thing.
00:34:45.000Ceases to exist, and instead of by 2100 there being 9 billion Africans as there's projected to be, there's 9 billion Europeans, and blacks are a tiny.
00:34:55.000I mean, don't you think there would be a big public outcry?
00:34:57.000Don't if that were the case, don't you think there probably would be some people?
00:35:00.000But I'm okay, some people are hypocrites, doesn't matter, doesn't change the fact that as far as I'm concerned, wouldn't I?
00:35:09.000It wouldn't bother me if none of it's all being done with just general, um, if it's all being done because of people's choices and um, and because like.
00:35:20.000Through completely harmless means, then that's fine by me.
00:35:32.000Well, you know, here, and I think this is really just it.
00:35:35.000And this is something I think a lot of people don't understand.
00:35:38.000There are a great deal of people like yourself who really don't care if white people go away.
00:35:43.000You think that, and I hope I'm not putting words in your mouth, but you think that the ancestry, the culture, the tradition, you think if all that goes away, as long as it's through, I guess, choices, and I don't know who chose to make it this way, but through voluntary choices.
00:35:58.000It's not necessarily the ancestry, culture, and tradition going away that's.
00:36:05.000It's just, well, why do we have to attach ourselves to this ancestry, culture, and tradition when we can just take the good parts and get away with the bad stuff?
00:37:27.000I mean, you're looking at a very particular cross section in history, which is anomalous, don't you agree, where America is the unipolar power.
00:37:36.000I think you're going to look at a very different situation as China and other powers rise.
00:37:40.000Additionally, I don't think you're going to have it as you've had it in this country for the last 20 years and the next 20 years.
00:37:46.000I think it's going to break down to a severe extent.
00:37:47.000And anyway, let's say, and let's look at these two things, because this is what progressives will argue.
00:37:52.000They'll say, well, people are healthier and we're more wealthy and there's less war, and all of that's true.
00:37:58.000But I guess that's dependent on what you value.
00:38:01.000I think that if you look at where we are as a society, if that were what we valued, we wouldn't see the suicide rate at an astronomical rate.
00:38:08.000We wouldn't see drug abuse at an astronomical rate.
00:38:10.000You wouldn't see all the social ills that you have now, where by and large, a progressive might say that the quality of life has gone down, but.
00:38:18.000By the actions of the population, quality of life has dipped quite significantly.
00:38:24.000I think a lot of that is to do with sort of the way the wealth has managed to start coalescing.
00:38:34.000And the fact that what we're seeing now is we're seeing technology sort of start taking over quicker than we can catch up with it.
00:38:46.000And I think what, and we're in a momentary situation where the internet has become like practically.
00:38:53.000Extremely easy for everyone to access.
00:38:56.000You can't really stop someone from going on the internet nowadays.
00:38:59.000You can stop them from being on certain sites and posting on social media from a certain identity or whatever, but you can't stop someone from being online.
00:39:07.000And I think the next couple generations are sort of the first generations to grow up online.
00:39:14.000And I think as we continue to learn how to best effectively live online, we will.
00:39:43.000You could look at some of the data regarding very specific things.
00:39:47.000But by and large, I think if you look at the kind of lives people were living 100 years ago, I don't know anybody could say that this is an improvement.
00:39:55.000I mean, certainly you are a progressive.
00:39:57.000Are you a socialist or are you a communist?
00:40:01.000I'm actually a filthy social democrat.
00:40:03.000There's a lot of people who are kind of mad that I'm not a communist.
00:40:07.000Well, and certainly you, as a social democrat, I imagine would say that there's a lot wrong with a society that we, at least in America, you're in school, you go into college, you're in debt, and you're basically a debt slave then for your entire life.
00:40:21.000As far as I'm concerned, I think that the actual solution to a lot of these problems is sort of pushing forward with sort of left-wing social democratic platforms.
00:40:31.000Because if you look, Throughout, if you look in the West, then the best, the most happy countries in the Western world are socially democratic nations.
00:40:59.000Because, well, and that's just the point, though.
00:41:01.000Those kinds of systems, which are more, I think, definitely more traditional.
00:41:07.000Are only possible in societies that are homogeneous.
00:41:09.000They're only possible in societies where, in Sweden, for example, and I've read extensively about their welfare system, the reason that it was able to go better than in most countries.
00:41:18.000It's a big misconception that it's flawless and it's stellar and all the rest, but the reason it was able to work there better than in most countries and why they were so optimistic about it is because they are so close to one another in culture and ancestry.
00:41:32.000I mean, they virtually see everyone in the country as part of an extended family.
00:41:36.000And that's where you're able to get it to work somewhat better than in other countries.
00:41:40.000And all I'm saying is, This progressive ideal.
00:41:43.000I'm not saying I'm not like a Luddite.
00:41:45.000Well, there's some primitivist streak perhaps in me from reading Kaczynski, but barring the medicinal and technological improvements which have happened the last 200 years, I don't think you could point to any other way, shape, or form in which the quality of life is better now than it was back then, barring those technological improvements and changes which are in medicine and in other things.
00:42:09.000And so, as a progressive, you say, well, we can pick and choose the old things which are bad.
00:42:15.000You really can show that people are doing better now.
00:42:20.000And you've also got to remember that, as much as you're talking about things like suicide rates, suicide rates are not necessarily unaffected by those technological improvements as well.
00:42:33.000The fact that a young person can understand that suicide even is an option, that's something that people do learn younger nowadays.
00:42:42.000They don't know about suicide unless they have internet access.
00:43:14.000But I think the idea that just attaching these to some kind of racial, like, Some kind of racial demographic thing just misses the point entirely.
00:43:26.000Well, here's how you can tie it very easily.
00:43:29.000We find that the suicides are almost all accounted for by deaths of desperation, which means loneliness or that kind of thing, effectively.
00:43:39.000I mean, we see that the highest increases are in white middle aged men, and that's because they've seen their customs, traditions, and communities collapse.
00:44:47.000Well, this is a tradition that we don't like.
00:44:50.000This is part of the thing, though, that we're living much longer now.
00:44:54.000So the idea of being in a marriage for as long as people seem to, like your entire life, it seems to be a bad, not necessarily as good an idea.
00:45:37.000And they're gonna go and get married to someone that they're, that, They're just horny for not someone that they actually think they're going to have a long term relationship with.
00:45:45.000Ah, well, and then they get divorced and it ruins lots of lives.
00:45:53.000Well, and also, but hey, also, you know what else we got rid of which should be reinstated is the idea of arranged marriages to some extent.
00:46:00.000Maybe there'd be more prudence in the decisions if the parents were involved.
00:46:25.000If you want this idea of some kind of cultural practice of parents setting you up with kids, yeah, okay, go and tell that to young people that their parents are going to go and find people.
00:46:46.000We've gone down this rabbit hole, and it's the civilizational wide problem where this kind of thinking has led to a society which is completely disjointed, without a foundation, so confusing, we're always coming up with solutions to answer the problems that the previous solutions created.
00:47:03.000And it's just a tremendous folly where people say, Well, we have to fix this problem, and the fix then becomes the new problem.
00:47:35.000Now, certainly, I don't agree with all this hype about China, but the ascendant powers in the world, whether they be Russia, China, Hungary.
00:47:46.000China is increasing in economic power and stuff, but.
00:47:51.000I don't think their populace is exactly happy.
00:47:55.000They have terrible workers' rights there.
00:48:27.000But if we're looking at, by and large, the entire society and the societies which are ascendant in this century, the ones that are being held together, it's ones that are held together by those traditional values.
00:48:38.000I mean, look at the countries that are now thriving compared to Western Europe, for example.
00:48:43.000Western Europe, which is collapsing into anarchy and there's mass immigration and all the rest, the ones that are thriving in contrast to them are the ones that are re embracing.
00:48:59.000You look at these societies which are thriving, which don't have those problems.
00:49:05.000And they're the ones that are embracing tradition in every case.
00:49:09.000And you can laugh it up, but I don't think it'll be an exaggeration to say that in 50 years, Eastern Europe, Asia will be doing far better than Western Europe, than England, than the countries that have rejected all these things.
00:52:08.000And I think, again, that's something to do with socially democratic reforms because Big Pharma is involved with a lot of money in politics.
00:52:59.000And maybe not 100 years ago is relatively arbitrary, but if we're looking at it as a continuum, things from 200 years ago to 100 years ago to present, it has been a downward trend.
00:53:17.000With time, there is investment, there is, you know, people are able to create more wealth, there's more people, and that's a given effectively.
00:53:24.000But if you're trying to say that by and large, we look at what we value in a society, or at least what I value, Which is that people are satisfied, not necessarily happy, but they are fulfilled, that they are satisfied, that they believe that their life matters.
00:53:36.000It has gone from, and probably rightly believe their lives matter.
00:53:41.000It goes from 200 years ago all the way down now, where people are just these soulless consumption units.
00:53:49.000And regardless of what you attribute it to, you see it in the suicide rates, you see it in the drug abuse, you see it in all the horrible things that are happening.
00:57:59.000Now, there's been a huge phenomenon going around the internet, and it is The Bronze Age Mindset, the book which has shaken the world by The Bronze Age Pervert, of course.
00:58:11.000I just ordered it this week, it just arrived this morning.
00:58:15.000And I wanted to book The Bronze Age Pervert, I really did, but he can't do it for reasons of anonymity.
00:58:38.000And so next Friday, in the place of Bronze Age Pervert, representing him, and they'll discuss answers beforehand, they'll discuss questions beforehand, we will be having on the legendary Mike Ma.
00:58:52.000And he will be serving as a representative for Bronze Age Pervert.
00:58:56.000We'll be talking Bronze Age mindset, among other things.
01:03:22.000And all the people seven months ago, nothing.
01:03:25.000And all the people like two or three months ago who were saying half term president, one term president, amnesty done, all this stuff, nowhere to be found, right?
01:05:29.000Well, I'd say I have two basic questions.
01:05:33.000The first one is regarding your guest, and it seems like there are two very key things that he doesn't really seem to believe in.
01:05:48.000Now, obviously, the biggest one is you know, he's probably an atheist or something like that.
01:05:52.000But one thing that he seems to believe is that, uh, you is what you phrased is he believes in this sort of buffet that in order to be free, you don't need to have any responsibilities.
01:06:10.000And the second one is that, uh, is that simply not feeling pain or not feeling any type of hindrance is an improvement when.
01:06:22.000And he said this particularly when he said, Oh, but there used to be kids in factories.
01:06:29.000Well, even though that was a bad thing, people still had their key values, and that was a very character building thing to go through at that time.
01:06:44.000So I guess my first question really is how can you convince someone like that to really To start believing more in that type of self determination and maybe even in God eventually?
01:07:03.000Well, it's difficult because I'm getting kind of some kind of weird feedback.
01:07:07.000I don't know if it's my headphones or what, but it's difficult because we've been so thoroughly indoctrinated into modernism that I think that is the reaction of almost anybody to perennialism, to traditionalism, is to say, you know, well, of course it's better now.
01:07:23.000They had bad things 100 years ago, like war and slavery and, you know, this and that.
01:07:31.000We're not saying that at any time anything was perfect.
01:07:33.000In fact, We're arguing quite the opposite.
01:07:35.000We're saying that things can never be perfect, but we're making the wrong trade offs.
01:07:40.000And so, people like David Sherrod, they want to throw out, like you say, they want to throw out that old wisdom and adopt the buffet style where I like this thing, this thing makes me feel good.
01:07:51.000This thing doesn't hurt so much, so I like it.
01:07:54.000And they will be very quick to point out when things were more structured, when things were more functional, when things were more viable, they had a better chance to stand the test of time.
01:08:04.000I'd like to point out and critique the little things.
01:08:06.000You know, I'm not exactly a defender of the Industrial Revolution, but let's take it a step back and say, what about farmers?
01:08:13.000Was it a better lifestyle for children to be on a farm where they were getting up early, working all day, they lived a wholesome life that is on the land, and they knew what they were eating, and they went to church on Sunday, and they were getting a great education, in some sense, better than the education kids are getting now?
01:08:29.000If you look at the totality of it, the whole picture, as opposed to this gotcha of, oh, well, there was something bad going on.
01:08:36.000There's horrible things happening now that they don't point to.
01:08:40.000They like to minimize the bad things happening now drug epidemic, suicide epidemic, rampant degeneracy, families collapsing.
01:09:10.000If a society cannot complete its main task, its most primordial objective, which is to sustain itself, I mean, in that sense, it's not even like a living organism.
01:09:23.000And that's how you define life, is something that's able to sustain itself and reproduce.
01:09:42.000Oh, I just wanted to say, like, for example, if you want to be an Olympic level swimmer, 99.9% of your life is just going to be eat, sleep, and train.
01:09:53.000But you are free to pursue that type of choice.
01:09:57.000And if you do want to have a society that doesn't have divorce, that, you know, has any type of basic values, you do need to have some very, very strict societal rules.
01:10:12.000And it seems that the guest mainly was kind of spurking out that, oh, but then you're not really free.
01:12:03.000There are, and you realize it when you become a pundit, it's very easy to fall into the trap of being a mouthpiece for an agenda or for an ideology.
01:12:14.000It's very easy once you become comfortable on air to go on and just let the talking points do it for you or to come on and just do your part to further an agenda or to smell your farts and think they don't stink like Cenk Uger does.
01:13:33.000It's a double whammy because you know, Italians are very expressive and they talk a lot, they talk with their hands, and then the Mexican side is like the you know, you know, and I can make that joke because I'm Mexican, they have that sing songy, fast cadence, you know, so it's the combination that creates the Nick Fuentes mentality, the Nick Fuentes delivery.
01:13:55.000I don't know what the Irish does, I don't drink, so maybe the Irish part isn't activated.
01:14:01.000Let's see, we'll bring in American Caesar.
01:14:36.000One of my friends is a Ben Shapiro-like kind of guy, and he's been slowly coming into the Nick Fuentes show every now and then, and he's liking the takes.
01:14:47.000So I want to know: what do you see as the best route?
01:14:52.000Well, I think you're right on the money in terms of comedy.
01:14:58.000And the reason being is because comedy disarms people.
01:15:03.000If you make a joke, and this is a big part of what red pilled me with Sam Hyde, because when you're watching a video and it's just funny, you know, either it's delivered in a funny way or it makes a point that is true and it's exaggerated to the point where it becomes humorous, it disarms you in a way that you say, well, this is funny, this is making me feel good, and you're not even aware that you're being convinced or persuaded.
01:15:26.000That's some of the strongest kind of persuasion there is.
01:15:28.000The worst, absolute worst thing you can do is overtly, explicitly, and aggressively try to convert people by saying, and I've said this before on the show, confronting people and telling them either implicitly or explicitly, you are wrong.
01:15:44.000You know, if you come up and say, hey, did you know this?
01:16:12.000And so, actually, when you go about it from that option or from that route, people actually become more defensive because now they're being attacked.
01:16:37.000So, you know how to communicate with them, and you know, family has to talk about these issues from time to time and just start asking questions based on their values, you know.
01:17:19.000Because it's very easy for people when they don't get the answer or the response they don't like, or if they get a response or an answer they don't like, to then very quickly go on the offense.
01:17:32.000But if you stay committed to a very, you know, you have to play the long game, slow and steady, and just always be planting those seeds, asking those questions, making those observations, like, hmm.
01:17:42.000You know, America's not going to be a white country in 100 years.
01:17:46.000I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing, but I don't know, I guess.
01:17:50.000You know, just start planting the seeds, little things like that, making observations.
01:17:55.000And I think that's how you get people around.
01:17:57.000Unless you're really good like me, then you could be aggressive.
01:18:02.000You're totally right on the Gen Z. Both my younger brothers, Gen Z kids, completely ahead of the curve compared to where I was at that age.
01:19:55.000But once we can put together a formula, an approach, and everybody's a little bit different, but if we can put together something, That is truly effective, and that's what I think I do on Twitter every day test out talking points, rhetoric, buzzwords, that kind of thing.
01:20:08.000We will arrive at a case that is very effective for our viewpoint.
01:20:47.000Because the way I see it, China's like a majority atheist country where they have abortion, like so much abortion because of the two child policy.
01:20:57.000I don't see how it could be traditionalist.
01:20:58.000Well, their traditions are different than our traditions.
01:21:01.000I mean, that's just as simple as that.
01:21:03.000I mean, they're not a Christian country, obviously, but they don't have a Christian heritage.
01:21:07.000They are atheists, I'll grant you that.
01:21:10.000I mean, for centuries and millennia, actually, their stated values and their core values have been Confucian or more philosophical, as opposed to something that is based on monotheism.
01:21:23.000And so, if you're looking at the physiognomy of Sinic civilization versus Western civilization, God did not play the same role in the development of the two countries.
01:21:33.000And so, that's not to say that we should embrace a traditionalism that is atheist or anything like that, but it is to say that.
01:21:41.000And don't get me wrong, China is not a perfectly traditionalist country, but by and large, they are guided, or at least they believe they are guided, by their Confucian traditions, their Han Chinese traditions.
01:21:53.000You know, Xi Jinping's a great example of this.
01:21:55.000He's made his stated policy making China culturally more traditional.
01:22:01.000And they're developing very rapidly in the East, but by and large, most of the country remains very traditional.
01:22:10.000Is that a good answer, or would you disagree?
01:22:14.000That's a good answer, but what do you think about the Red Army, where the little kids would go around like burning down temples and stuff?
01:22:20.000Well, there's a great example of progressivism.
01:22:23.000You know, if you had the Cultural Revolution under Mao Zedong, if that's what you're referring to, the 1960s, that was an example of progressivism.
01:22:30.000And what happened was that it was a disaster.
01:22:33.000The Cultural Revolution was so bad, that's what got Mao Zedong kicked out of power.
01:22:38.000And so before he died, he wasn't even ruling the country, at least in anything but name.
01:22:43.000And so I think China, compared to the Soviet Union, The Soviet Union, they had a cultural revolution that never ended.
01:25:33.000This was mentioned to me by somebody, a very smart friend of mine, but I totally forgot the term.
01:25:38.000It's called like the fourth turning or the fourth migration or something, where they talk about how populations grow.
01:25:45.000And they say that, well, populations follow these three trends through from agriculture through to the Industrial Revolution.
01:25:53.000And the fourth big trend, or it's the fourth or the fifth, will be the people from the southern hemisphere moving into the north and taking over.
01:26:03.000Tropical people, you know, all the people that are at the equator or south of the equator, people who tend to have lower IQs, they will all be rising up into the north and they will be taking over our countries and the future will be not a fun time.
01:26:20.000And you see this all over the place, whether it's the Hispanics moving into America, whether it's the Africans moving into North Africa, Sub Saharan Africans moving into North Africa.
01:26:30.000North Africa used to be like European.
01:26:33.000You understand that that was the Carthaginians or, you know, That was the Romans back in the day.
01:27:06.000Yeah, regarding David Sherat, basically, I think sort of his ideology, well, not just him, but like progressives in general, when you think about it, Like the Chinese Revolution or the Khmer Rouge, they're always treating it like it's the end of history.
01:28:02.000And in the case of David Schrott, I arrived here 20 years ago, but I know all that experience, all that wisdom, all that bloodshed and fighting and experience.
01:28:25.000They don't recognize the folly because they're in it.
01:28:28.000And this is the case for the revolutionaries in France, the revolutionaries in Russia, the Khmer Rouge, the Chinese, all these different cases where it's happened the revolutionary, utopian ideologies.
01:28:39.000In every case, they think, we've got it figured out.
01:29:29.000They did experiments and stuff like that, and it's recorded.
01:29:32.000And look at all the things they built over the past thousands and thousands of years the agrarian revolution, and that was like, what, 10,000 years ago?
01:29:43.000We're the same now, basically, as they were before, but people are thinking, oh, we've evolved past all this need for nationalism.
01:29:52.000And yeah, just like bring all the Somalis in.
01:29:56.000They'll acclimate to us, we'll teach them, we'll have our utopia.
01:30:01.000And I've heard people even say this, like, oh, the next step of humanity will be really enlightened when the world is finally, when everybody's mixed and there isn't really a nation.
01:30:16.000Actually, somebody said it, I don't remember verbatim, but he was in his 60s or something.
01:30:21.000He was like a boomer that was really progressive and he thinks, yeah, we need to mix everybody.
01:30:26.000We need to open the borders and stuff like that.
01:30:42.000That's what's toxic about the boomer, is that once they have no idea what's happening because it's outside their experience and they won't endure it.
01:30:51.000And number two, even if you can convince them it's happening, they don't care because they're going to be dead soon.
01:30:56.000And that's, I've literally heard this from my family members.
01:30:59.000I'm not going to name names, but I've had family members, none of the ones who watch this show, and this is why I'm saying it, who have said, I don't care what's going to happen to your generation.
01:31:21.000And, you know, they say that kind of tongue in cheek, but that's basically the mentality.
01:31:25.000My generation, like, we have a very big reason to be concerned because we're going to bear the consequences and our children will in a big way, in ways that are going to suck horribly, ruin our lives.
01:31:37.000So, them, it's like they may see it for a second, they may be around to see the very beginning of what happens.
01:31:43.000But that's why you're not going to find a lot of sympathy among them.
01:33:59.000And then number two, there's not even an attempt to debate at a higher level, at an advanced level, where they're reframing the argument or they're offering new offensives or they're taking my arguments and turning them.
01:35:53.000So, I think you hit the nail on the head talking about it just boiling down to, and you know, that David guy being a pretty smart guy, but it was just such a difference in values.
01:36:04.000Is there any value in debate after that?
01:36:06.000Do you think that there's any way you can shift that for people, or do you think that's something you're kind of just born with and due to upbringing, or what?
01:36:15.000I think it is productive so long as you understand the difference in values.
01:36:20.000The problem that we see is that people will debate, and at once it's a debate about whatever it is, policy or about a political position.
01:36:30.000But always it reduces to those fundamental differences in value, of which it's very difficult to convince people.
01:36:36.000I think as long as you understand those two differences or that fundamental difference, Then it can be a productive conversation, exploring, well, which is something that we should value versus something we shouldn't.
01:36:49.000Once you have an argument about that, I think it's much more efficient.
01:36:52.000You know, it's kind of like beating around the bush, or not beating around the bush, rather, once you get it down and reduce it to those fundamental principles.
01:37:00.000Because, for example, me and David could go back and forth about whether or not immigration is a good thing.
01:37:06.000But of course, immigration is a good thing for him because he values economic productivity and efficiency and the welfare of people.
01:37:15.000Well, I guess if we believe in the welfare of people, then it could go either way.
01:37:19.000But I mean, pick and choose a different issue.
01:37:21.000And if there's different values, then you'll arrive at understandably different conclusions that can concurrently be correct based on those values.
01:37:29.000If, you know, for example, if I like pizza and he likes a hamburger, you know, we could go back and forth arguing is pizza better or hamburger better?
01:37:37.000But if I get a pizza, it's going to be good for me.
01:37:40.000If he gets a pizza, it's going to be bad for him.
01:37:49.000And so, as long as you understand going into it that those are different values and fundamentally those will not change between the debaters, I think you can have a productive conversation.
01:38:00.000But you got to understand those things.
01:38:03.000So, like you said, it's not going to change between the debaters.
01:38:06.000Like, do you think that there's any, like, do you basically think that you're just convincing people, you know, based on their fundamental values, like people who are watching?
01:38:15.000Do you think that you're just trying to convince them that for what they have, your side is better?
01:38:21.000Kind of shape that for people who haven't thought about it so much or what?
01:38:25.000I think it's really more so about people who haven't thought about it, at least in our case, because I think in 99% of cases, people, and this is really more about shaping the conversation for the next generations, older people basically have most of their values set in stone.
01:38:41.000And politics is different than like an intellectual debate.
01:38:44.000In a political debate, your job is to convince people that your policy prescriptions or your platform is in their interest too.
01:38:53.000And sometimes we do this with liberals.
01:38:54.000We say, classical liberals, we'll say, well, you might not agree with us on.
01:38:59.000The value of the white race, but it will in the end be more conducive to what you like, which is free speech and the Second Amendment, and you would die on a hill for that.
01:39:09.000On an intellectual level, for the most part, people have their value set.
01:39:13.000But for the younger generation, we've got to have them rediscover what all people, I think, really value, what all people really yearn for, which is the spiritual, which is the traditional.
01:39:24.000You know, I think if you would pull a young person or maybe somebody who's miserable now, I think you'd find if you really got to an honest answer, most people would say, Family, friends, that sense of belonging, which many people cannot articulate.
01:39:38.000And so for many people, it's just a matter of maybe rediscovery in some sense.
01:39:43.000But I mostly do it for the benefit of younger people.
01:39:47.000It's mostly younger people watching the show.
01:39:49.000It's trying to convince people, at least from my position, that all these values that they're trying to convince you are good and virtuous and should be considered the highest are vapid and empty and wrong without our values.
01:40:02.000And so I guess it's really more of a task for people who are still developing.
01:40:07.000Yeah, I really just think so many more people than are on our side politically hold these values.
01:40:17.000Like, so many people care about community and the family and religion and stuff, or they don't accept what life is when you follow no religion to a logical conclusion.
01:40:30.000That I think if that pathway to showing that this is what you have is these really degenerate things of the left, if that was there, I think far more people would be on our side.
01:41:16.000So it is still a matter of convincing for a lot of people, but if people are set in their ways and these are their stated values, I mean, there's some people, I think the two people in the arena that are not going to change their minds, but we still are correct.
01:42:03.000We've got Graham who says, Why is it bad to allow different ethnicities to preserve their ethnicity and their cultures in their respective homelands?
01:43:23.000That their ideas can remain in the mainstream.
01:43:26.000That's the only reason that their ideas remain popular, is because they rely on censorship and all those other tactics to get people to not even consider them.
01:43:36.000If people sat down and they considered the ruling ideology versus our ideology, one which says we are going to fundamentally destroy all the foundations of the country, there is no one race, there is no one religion, no one language, no one culture, we're not going to have any of that, versus someone who says, A society is better the more homogeneous it is.
01:44:40.000Following David's advice, I will be using online banking to make all further contributions.
01:44:45.000The standard fee on international transfer is $29, but that's a small price to get my commentslash question to you within two to four workdays.
01:46:50.000Korea, the economy, the tax law, like literally everything I wake up, there's a new thing to be vindicated about.
01:46:56.000For example, today we saw that Israel has come to an agreement with Russia and America that they will allow Assad to stay in power.
01:47:06.000Now, just five months ago or four months ago, they were saying Trump is going to invade Syria and he'll be at war with Russia too and they'll have regime change for Israel.
01:47:17.000I mean, that's what they were saying four months ago.
01:47:20.000And today they're saying America and Russia have ended.
01:47:25.000John Bolton, who they cried bloody murder over when he was brought into the National Security Council, is personally inviting Putin to the White House for a meeting.
01:47:33.000Israel, Russia, and Trump all conspire to allow Assad to remain in power, so there's no regime change.
01:47:40.000And then what else happened this week?
01:47:42.000We found out that the National Guard on the border has apprehended an additional 10,000 illegal immigrants as opposed to before.
01:47:49.000We found out that under the new tax law, we actually brought in more revenue with tax cuts in June than we did in any other June in history.
01:47:58.000Coach Redpill said the new tax law is going to create an outstanding deficit because it's cutting taxes too much.
01:48:06.000And we brought in more tax revenue, just like I said it would.
01:48:11.000And he could go down the list, on and on and on.
01:53:58.000It's better to be miserable, but to know the truth than to be sedated and to think you're having a good time because those people are not having a good time.
01:56:27.000Jake Destabia, to what degree do you agree with Kaczynski's psychological assessment of lefties, where he mentions their inferiority complex and over socialization?
01:56:42.000He says it's the most prominent and the most prolific form of mental illness in the world.
01:56:48.000And I agree with that very strongly because it does not jive with anything we know to be true about people.
01:56:57.000Except that it satisfies mediocrity, basically.
01:57:00.000I mean, that's the people that want equality are people who are sad, people who are below average, or people who think that other people are below average and are, you know, want to save them and do good for them and they empathize with them and all that.
01:57:16.000So I think it's very true because you don't find a lot of lefties in rural areas where people are not over socialized in urban environments and all that.
01:57:52.000Problematic White Knight says, Hope this is not too far off topic, but Razorfist has made a video about communism in Hollywood, even factually names a few of them.
01:58:02.000Then today goes after skeptics, socialists, and neocons.
01:58:05.000Sounds like he could be a good guest for you one day.
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