America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - September 28, 2023


Elon Musk vs Ben Shapiro Twitter Space


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour and 4 minutes

Words per Minute

132.983

Word Count

8,604

Sentence Count

572

Misogynist Sentences

3

Hate Speech Sentences

21


Summary

Elon Musk and Ben Shapiro join forces to discuss the Anti-Defamation League's campaign against him, and how they can work together to protect free speech in the face of increasing censorship and pressure from third parties like the ADL and the legacy media, multinational institutions, and left-wing interest groups. And then, in the second half of the conversation, Rabbi Dr. Meir Lamb joins the conversation to discuss how anti-Semitism affects speech issues, and to answer some questions from esteemed Jewish leaders in the Jewish community. The conversation was recorded live on the Elon Musk/Ben Shapiro social media accounts, and will be posted on the website of Ben Shapiro's new show, "The Ben Shapiro Show," which will be available on all major podcasting platforms, including Vimeo, YouTube, and Podchaser, wherever you get your news and information. You won't want to miss this one! Thank you to everyone who contributed to this episode, and thank you to Ben Shapiro for coming on the show and for all the questions he answered. We really appreciate all of the questions and the time he spent on this one, and we can't wait to do more of this in the future. -Nick and I hope you enjoy it! -The Best Fiends -Ben Shapiro and Nick Fuentes Thanks to our sponsors: and Good Morning America for sponsoring this episode. If you liked it, please leave us a five star rating and review on Apple Podcasts! and we'll be looking out for you in the next week for the next episode of Good Mythical Podcasts episode. Thank you for listening to the podcast in the Badger's "Good Morning America" and The Badger and Good Mythology podcast, Good Morning Podcasts. Good Luck, Good Luck! -The Good Morning, Bad Morning, and Good Life, Good Blessings, and Much More! -Rabbi Dr. Ben Shapiro - Thank You, Sarah Goodness, Sarah Badalot, Sarah Goodspeedy, and much more! - The Good Morning Goodness Good Day, - Sarah Goodnight, Sarah, Good Night, and Thank You! - Thank you, Sarah and Sarah Good Luck - - Cheers, Sarah & Good Morning God, Good Day - Good Luck & Good Night - Bless You, Cheers - Love, Bless You - Rachel Goodnight - Timestaffing,


Transcript

00:00:14.000 We're good.
00:01:14.000 Hey, what's going on?
00:01:17.000 It's me, Nick Fuentes.
00:01:18.000 We're gonna be covering the Elon Musk, Ben Shapiro Twitter space.
00:01:24.000 It's live right now, so I'm just gonna jump in here.
00:01:26.000 Elon Musk, who asked if we could come together for what's sure to be a fascinating and meaningful conversation.
00:01:31.000 One of the things that nobody can deny about Elon is that he's willing to speak publicly on pretty much everything, and tonight is no exception.
00:01:37.000 Now, most of you have probably seen by now that Elon Musk is at war with the Anti-Defamation League, the ADL.
00:01:43.000 It's a group that was once dedicated to fighting anti-Semitism in non-partisan fashion.
00:01:47.000 Of late, they've become significantly more partisan in their progressive politics, to say the least.
00:01:52.000 Like a lot of progressive interest groups, the ADL would love more controls on dissemination of speech at X. They, like a lot of other organizations, are doing so by pressuring advertisers to move their dollars away from the platform.
00:02:02.000 Well, a few weeks ago, Musk posted on X saying that the ADL has been trying to kill his platform, falsely accusing him of being anti-Semitic,
00:02:09.000 They said that if this continues, he said that, that he will have no choice but to file a defamation suit against them, which is obviously pretty funny considering it's the Anti-Defamation League.
00:02:18.000 Now, as I said on my show when this was unfolding, Elon happens to be right on the merits here.
00:02:22.000 The legacy media, multinational institutions, left-wing interest groups,
00:02:25.000 They have been converging on Elon's X as a supposed source of rising hate speech, and they've been doing so in really opportunistic fashion from pretty much every angle.
00:02:35.000 Until Musk took over X, they were largely running things in terms of which messages to silence or quash.
00:02:41.000 These institutions are generally in favor of more censorship, more restrictions on speech.
00:02:46.000 That censorship has often been used to shut down not merely material we all agree is gross or violent or despicable, but to shut down a bunch of material that doesn't actually meet with approved narratives, whether we're talking about COVID or transgenderism or foreign policy.
00:02:58.000 These organizations get what they want on a lot of other platforms like YouTube and Facebook, but they're not getting it at Axe, which is one of the reasons why they're very, very angry.
00:03:05.000 So for the first part of this conversation, Elon Musk and I are going to discuss what it takes to preserve free speech,
00:03:10.000 While battling activist third parties, pushing censorship, dictating what is considered, quote-unquote, brand safe for advertisers.
00:03:15.000 And then, in the second half of this conversation, Rabbi Dr. Lamb is going to lead a discussion about how the ADL and anti-Semitism affect speech issues, discuss Elon's feelings and experiences regarding Judaism more broadly, and then we'll open it up to some questions from a few esteemed leaders in the Jewish community.
00:03:30.000 So, that's enough from me.
00:03:32.000 Without further ado, Elon, welcome to your own website.
00:03:36.000 Really appreciate it.
00:03:43.000 Okay, so we're waiting on Elon.
00:03:44.000 He hasn't responded yet.
00:03:47.000 Am I rate limited?
00:03:48.000 I can't even see... I can't even load any more fucking tweets.
00:03:52.000 I'm rate limited.
00:03:53.000 All right, where's Elon?
00:04:03.000 Is this still going on or is my account glitched?
00:04:12.000 Where is he?
00:04:19.000 Did I get kicked?
00:04:23.000 Dude.
00:04:24.000 Unfortunately, I think you inadvertently muted me.
00:04:30.000 Well, I mean, that'd be a first, muting you on your own side.
00:04:32.000 So why don't we jump into the issue?
00:04:36.000 I just wanted to say that your preamble was spot on.
00:04:41.000 I couldn't have said it better myself.
00:04:43.000 That is exactly the situation.
00:04:46.000 And it's absurd.
00:04:47.000 I mean, first of all, we've actually been tracking the hasty issues, anti-Semitic or otherwise, and they've gone down since the acquisition, objectively.
00:04:58.000 Um, and we've had multiple third parties, uh, unrelated to us, uh, do, uh, this, their own analysis for the full data dump, and they've concluded the same thing.
00:05:09.000 So that's also important.
00:05:10.000 Uh, so let's just, it's important to start off with some important facts.
00:05:14.000 And if someone else is, has, uh, is looking at the, um, you know, the, the, the,
00:05:19.000 This is insane, man.
00:05:46.000 You know, we had complete access to everything.
00:05:52.000 Really, there was like no health bar, nothing.
00:05:53.000 He didn't even have to clear with me who he talked to beforehand.
00:05:57.000 And I think he might, you know, he's a pretty smart guy.
00:05:59.000 He might have picked on it.
00:06:00.000 He might have figured it out, you know, if I was anti-Semitic.
00:06:04.000 It's just freaking absurd.
00:06:08.000 You know, and like a little sort of, you know, a few sort of
00:06:13.000 I actually went to Hebrew preschool, Rachel Spiro, in South Africa when I was a kid.
00:06:19.000 Now, I don't know if I'm genetically Jewish or what, maybe somewhere, but I would say I'm aspirationally Jewish, let me put it that way.
00:06:33.000 Don't inspire us too hard.
00:06:34.000 It's not that fabulous.
00:06:35.000 I'll tell you some other crazy stuff.
00:06:36.000 My name, Elon, is actually a very Israeli name.
00:06:37.000 It's like being called Bob in Israel.
00:06:39.000 My father took me to Israel when I was 13.
00:06:40.000 Basically, you put this backpack together.
00:07:02.000 Jewish-adjacent.
00:07:05.000 I went to Israel, went to the wall, went to Masada.
00:07:09.000 I've been to Masada twice.
00:07:10.000 I don't know if any people can say that.
00:07:14.000 Oh my gosh!
00:07:17.000 This is crazy!
00:07:19.000 It's a little rusty, but it's pretty good.
00:07:20.000 I propose at some point we just wish to do a round.
00:07:31.000 So I want to ask you a couple of questions definitionally.
00:07:34.000 So first, I would like to ask you sort of your definition of what free speech is supposed to look like on the platform absent pressure.
00:07:42.000 So obviously, you've done a lot in terms of free speech.
00:07:45.000 You've personally intervened in cases like for our outlet, What Is A Woman?
00:07:49.000 to get rid of restrictions on speech.
00:07:51.000 But what exactly should speech look like, especially in sort of gray areas?
00:07:56.000 We all sort of agree on no child abuse, no terrorism, no threats of violence, no incitement.
00:08:00.000 When it gets to things like hate speech, which has a variable definition, where do you draw the line?
00:08:05.000 No, I think that's a very interesting question and a difficult one to solve.
00:08:09.000 It's not one with a very easy answer, especially with regard to the exact line of what is or isn't hate speech.
00:08:18.000 Because one person's hate speech is another person's free speech much of the time.
00:08:27.000 Wow, dude!
00:08:27.000 He's like being held at gunpoint!
00:08:28.000 They're like holding a gun to his head!
00:08:49.000 That's the general principle.
00:08:50.000 And I think it's the right principle.
00:08:54.000 So in the US, we're able to be much more free of speech.
00:08:57.000 This is crazy!
00:08:59.000 That's less so where we have the choice of either providing the edge platform or it being shut off or throttled.
00:09:08.000 And I do believe also generally, like if there is someone harboring, you know,
00:09:17.000 Oh my gosh, dude!
00:09:18.000 Oh my gosh.
00:09:18.000 This is crazy.
00:09:46.000 It's potentially false.
00:09:48.000 It is false.
00:09:49.000 Wow.
00:09:50.000 And so, you know, then you have all this hidden anti-Semitism, anti-you-name-it.
00:09:57.000 You know, I think actually it often is better that somebody says something and then gets dunked on, frankly.
00:10:01.000 This is who's in the space.
00:10:02.000 Or is corrected.
00:10:04.000 This is who's in the space.
00:10:07.000 And, you know, like the question, you know, and actually, frankly, it's one of the things I like about the United States, you know, and we need to make sure this remains the case.
00:10:15.000 I don't think so.
00:10:30.000 As far as I'm clear, that's something that is bad.
00:10:34.000 But actually, everyone else has way more dirty laundry.
00:10:38.000 They just don't show you.
00:10:42.000 So when we talk about, you know, anti-Semitism, for example, appearing on Twitter, you mentioned things like slurs or incitement to violence, or for example, one of the textbook pieces of definition of anti-Semitism is statements that the state of Israel should be obliterated, things like that.
00:10:57.000 But when it gets to, you know,
00:10:59.000 If that stuff is out there, you basically have three choices now.
00:11:03.000 One is that you ban it.
00:11:05.000 Two is that you limit its reach.
00:11:07.000 You've talked about freedom of speech versus freedom of reach.
00:11:09.000 And I kind of want to drill down with you on what that means.
00:11:12.000 And then third is demonetization.
00:11:14.000 And I wanted to ask you, you know, what standards of demonetization ought to be used?
00:11:18.000 So I suppose that it's the latter two parts that would be amazing in terms of clarity would be the freedom of speech, not reach and demonetization.
00:11:26.000 Yeah.
00:11:26.000 Well, first of all, just going backwards a little bit, demonetization, I should preface this by saying we do lots of dumb things, but these dumb things, as the saying goes, one should not attribute to malice that which easily can be explained by incompetence.
00:11:47.000 So we do lots of foolish things, and we want to fix that.
00:11:51.000 And a bunch of these foolish things have been in place for a decade, and I can't fix them all at once.
00:11:55.000 Um, but we are fixing them.
00:11:57.000 Um, so for example, there's, there's a list.
00:11:59.000 I think, um, Chai Raycheck was pointing out, just like fixing the system.
00:12:05.000 Um, you know, uh, and, and I've looked at this list and it's some of the terms of the list.
00:12:10.000 I'm like, look, if that's a bad word, I I'm clearly, um, I need to look up, get Urban Dictionary or something, you know, because I didn't realize it was a bad word.
00:12:19.000 That list needs to be trimmed.
00:12:20.000 That's the sort of, Hey,
00:12:24.000 uh real quick before we go on everybody at this guy on twitter if you have a twitter account get on twitter at this guy and say why is nick fuentes banned from the front page on rumble i'm one of the biggest streams on rumble right now and i'm not on the front page they took me off the front page i've been live
00:12:46.000 For 15 minutes now, I'm not on the front page.
00:12:49.000 I have 3,000 viewers.
00:12:50.000 Everybody add Chris Pavlovsky and say, hey, why is Nick Fuentes not on the front page on Rumble?
00:12:56.000 This is ridiculous.
00:12:57.000 Happened last night, too.
00:12:58.000 They said they fixed it, but it's still this way.
00:13:02.000 It's like one sort of article in a sort of medium-sized newspaper is enough to, you know, sometimes
00:13:11.000 I mean, strategically speaking, what do you do about that?
00:13:15.000 Obviously, we've had experiences with organizations like the Global Alliance for Responsible Media.
00:13:37.000 That have tried to leverage advertisers against, for example, our platform.
00:13:41.000 I know that those same groups are meeting with X trying to determine quote-unquote advertising standards.
00:13:48.000 How do you maintain free speech principles in the face of attempts to do what the ADL or GARM have been attempting to do, sort of control what sort of speech is allowed?
00:13:58.000 Yeah, well, we're really trying to hew close to the law in the country, like in the United States and other countries.
00:14:06.000 So that's our general principle.
00:14:09.000 And for banning things entirely, if something is illegal, well, it's legal.
00:14:15.000 And that needs to be banned or suspended or whatever, cut out.
00:14:21.000 That's, I guess, sort of fairly obvious.
00:14:26.000 Just to continue on the advertising front, though, we right now sort of have a binary on-off switch, which is silly.
00:14:34.000 Because there is a spectrum of advertiser bravery, or advertisers not being sensitive to things that actually don't matter.
00:14:44.000 So I think we should have really degrees of advertiser safety, kind of like you've got, you know, movies.
00:14:53.000 You know, you don't have like a go or no-go for movies.
00:14:57.000 You've got like sort of, you know, all ages, PG-13, you know, your sort of R and X and all that sort of stuff.
00:15:04.000 X-rated, hilarious.
00:15:05.000 Is there like a notepad that I can just write on, on a browser?
00:15:15.000 So... So this is who's in the space.
00:15:16.000 I just want to get it all down.
00:15:18.000 Actually, with a cross-tier, where the, you know, the sort of, the sort of safest, safest, as so-called in Corsair... Advertisers who want the safest sort of situation can have that, but then
00:15:33.000 You can just go all the way up to even advertising next to not-safe-for-work stuff.
00:15:39.000 Even if it's something pretty spicy, as an advertiser, you should be able to say, well, I don't mind.
00:15:46.000 That's fine.
00:15:49.000 That will cost less per impression or ultimately per sale of whatever they're trying to sell.
00:15:58.000 That real estate is not as sought after.
00:16:03.000 That's
00:16:19.000 We'll take it all, including the NSFW.
00:16:21.000 Fine.
00:16:21.000 No problem.
00:16:22.000 Who cares?
00:16:23.000 That'll be a higher return than having all these stringent requirements.
00:16:26.000 For the actual line where it's more dubious, it's legal, but it's still hateful.
00:16:50.000 You know, the way we're trying to deal with this right now is algorithmically, which is that if we show people content that makes them want to leave the system and if they're getting sort of hammered with hate speech, probably they will not like that.
00:17:11.000 Now, the algorithm is supposed to be showing posts on the X system that
00:17:19.000 are interesting, informative, funny, and otherwise useful to people on the system.
00:17:26.000 Now, it doesn't always succeed at that, but that is the goal.
00:17:29.000 So, you know, obviously if we just hammer people with hate, they're going to leave the platform, and that's, you know, we'll lose that sort of customer, I guess.
00:17:39.000 And yeah, so that's sort of the basic situation.
00:17:43.000 And as I mentioned, the view count, where you say like, okay, how many
00:17:48.000 HB's views have been pre and post the acquisition and they've dropped by at least 30% and I think they're continuing to decline just because we've made the algorithm better.
00:18:03.000 More transparent.
00:18:03.000 I mean, I've certainly gotten rid of a lot of the bots, and that's helped an enormous amount.
00:18:07.000 I remember that same ADL that's targeting you now declared me the single greatest recipient online of anti-Semitism in 2016, and I will say that that has dropped markedly since 2016, including after you took over.
00:18:21.000 I did want to ask you, Elon, about one of the issues that's coming up that generally goes to free speech and
00:18:27.000 And you have this, as I mentioned at the top, combination of both private organizations, some of which fundraise, some of which make money off of calling for censorship, and governments that are putting pressure on social media platforms in order to do the work that they really are not legally allowed to do, certainly in the United States.
00:18:44.000 And so how can you stand up and what sort of pledges can you make to users of Twitter with regard to these sort of backdoor pressure attempts by both advertisers?
00:18:54.000 I mean, I think that your sort of great dated sphere, it helps.
00:18:58.000 It's not going to totally overcome, obviously, the power of great consortiums of advertisers who decide that they are, for example, only going to check the box on safe advertising.
00:19:08.000 And they're not going to broaden out the spectrum, but price differentials hopefully will make a difference there.
00:19:11.000 But when it comes to government, what do you do?
00:19:15.000 Our policy is to resist with any intentions to get censorship to the maximum degree allowed by law.
00:19:23.000 But in the U.S., by far the biggest pressure comes from essentially, I say, fairly far left activist groups.
00:19:37.000 Did I miss anybody?
00:19:43.000 There's a whole bunch of them, and they'll write whatever, 16 activist groups, whatever, you know, wherever's a pack.
00:19:52.000 But what they're trying to do there is really oppose left, often extremely far left values.
00:20:03.000 on X and other platforms, under the guise of hate speech, but it is in fact a matter of politics, or of views that I think the general public would consider to be somewhere between far left and extreme left.
00:20:22.000 It's really disturbing, frankly.
00:20:32.000 I mean, yes, and you've been, the attack to you, you've been a target many times.
00:20:41.000 So, and actually the thing you mentioned, which is like, it's like for me, I'll say like, they're like, oh, there's all this hate speech.
00:20:51.000 And I said, well, I haven't seen any.
00:20:53.000 Well, okay.
00:20:55.000 Then, you know, like the BBC reporter where he was like, oh, the platform is filled with hate speech.
00:20:59.000 There's so much hate speech, you can't believe it.
00:21:01.000 And I said, well, name one example.
00:21:03.000 And he couldn't.
00:21:03.000 And I'm like, well, so if there's so much hate speech, you can't name a single example, not even one.
00:21:10.000 What's top of the list?
00:21:11.000 Oh, nothing.
00:21:11.000 I can't even think of anything.
00:21:13.000 The overweening panic is obviously political in nature.
00:21:16.000 I mean, the fact that you're heterodox politically is clearly one of the driving forces here.
00:21:21.000 And that brings me to one final question before I hand it over to Rabbi Lamb.
00:21:25.000 And that has to do with some of the other social media platforms.
00:21:28.000 So Russell Brand, who obviously is a super controversial figure, but has also come under significant accusations with regard to sexual assault, rape, all the rest.
00:21:37.000 He was recently demonetized on YouTube for the accusations that have not even resulted in an arrest as of yet.
00:21:45.000 What do you make of social media platforms demonetizing
00:21:49.000 People for things they're doing offline that have not resulted in, for example, criminal charges as of yet.
00:21:56.000 Yeah, I absolutely think we should not.
00:21:58.000 It should be.
00:21:59.000 First of all, I mean, there's there's two process.
00:22:01.000 I mean, Russell Branding, I actually checked, by the way, with some friends of mine who work closely with him, women that work closely with him.
00:22:11.000 And they said he was actually a gentleman and had a very nice and they did not feel
00:22:18.000 Especially on movie sets, if something's happening on a movie set, news travels fast.
00:22:25.000 And people I know say, no, this is not the post-Russell Bryant, it's not a bad guy.
00:22:33.000 And then, separately, even if something did happen, there needs to be, obviously, a conviction here.
00:22:45.000 It can't be.
00:23:04.000 But we can't have that.
00:23:08.000 Anyone can be accused at any time of false charges and we can't be destroying their lives on the basis of potentially false accusations.
00:23:26.000 Has anyone even filed charges in the Russell Brand case?
00:23:31.000 My understanding is not at this point.
00:23:33.000 I believe the police have been soliciting for actual evidence at this point, seeing if they can bring charges, but I don't believe the charges have actually been filed.
00:23:41.000 So, Elon, I want to hand it over to you.
00:23:43.000 It's a layer of outrageous, you know.
00:23:45.000 I do want to hand it over to you.
00:23:48.000 He doesn't even have charges, guys.
00:23:50.000 This is crazy.
00:23:51.000 And now Russell has obviously been rattling the cage, you know, of the powers that be.
00:23:59.000 And these alleged accusations from people we don't know, where there's not an actual lawsuit, why now?
00:24:10.000 Because these things happened many, many years ago.
00:24:16.000 Why now?
00:24:17.000 And it seems like an odd coincidence that it's happening when Russell is really great at gaining traction, questioning a lot of the conventional wisdom,
00:24:33.000 I think we're running out of conspiracy theories that didn't turn out to be true.
00:24:43.000 For those out there in the conspiracy theory community, we really need some more material.
00:24:47.000 What have we got left here?
00:24:52.000 Conspiracy theorists of the world, please get creative.
00:24:56.000 We need more material.
00:24:57.000 Okay, here.
00:24:59.000 So at this point, I want to hand it over to Rabbi Lamb to talk, Elon, with you more about Judaism and faith and anti-clericalism.
00:25:06.000 Rabbi Lamb, thanks so much for taking up the time here.
00:25:08.000 Ben, thank you so much.
00:25:11.000 Elon, I don't know how far you got in Hebrew preschool, but the communities that Ben and I grew up in, we'd call you Balabias.
00:25:18.000 You're the owner of the house that we're a guest in right now.
00:25:20.000 So thank you for having us and for engaging.
00:25:23.000 Especially because the topic we're in the middle of discussing is a critical one.
00:25:28.000 And I'll tell you the funny thing is that I kind of think in some crucial ways this whole topic is to an extent like a red herring.
00:25:33.000 It's a distraction from the conversations serious Jewish people of all backgrounds should be having.
00:25:38.000 And what I mean by that is
00:25:39.000 On the one hand, combating antisemitism is critical.
00:25:43.000 I mean, the Holocaust is still in living memory, for crying out loud.
00:25:46.000 But organizations like the ADL, whether they mean to or not, make it seem like that's literally all the Jewish people are about.
00:25:53.000 Fighting antisemitism.
00:25:54.000 But here's the thing.
00:25:56.000 Like, here's the thing.
00:25:57.000 Like, we are the stewards of quite literally the most influential tradition of wisdom in the history of humanity, beginning with the Hebrew Bible.
00:26:05.000 I mean, like the best-selling book of all time.
00:26:07.000 And those ideas form the backbone of Western civilization.
00:26:10.000 They're at the absolute foundation of the American experiment.
00:26:13.000 So when I reflect on this topic as a whole, the question to me is less whether the ADL is good or bad, or maybe just, like, irrelevant, but more... They definitely have an impact on advertisers, I can tell you that.
00:26:25.000 Right, right, right.
00:26:26.000 So I guess, like, Jewishly, but irrelevant, but more, my question is, how is it possible that we ended up in a situation where the vast majority of human beings, certainly in the US,
00:26:36.000 Oh, yeah.
00:26:59.000 This is enraging.
00:27:16.000 Yeah, I agree.
00:27:16.000 Totally.
00:27:17.000 Yeah, visit Israel.
00:27:17.000 Yeah.
00:27:38.000 Like, in many important ways, you're probably the standard-bearer in our day of the scientific revolution.
00:27:45.000 You're one of the living heirs of figures like Francis Bacon, Isaac Newton, William Harvey, and it's not an accident that all those figures placed the Hebrew Bible and its commentaries at the center of their work, and they all studied the Hebrew literature quite seriously.
00:27:58.000 And in particular, one of the things they admired about the Bible is the revolutionary idea that human beings are created in the image of God, like in the book of Genesis.
00:28:07.000 Because God is a creator, he's an inventor as it were, and so too are we charged with doing the same.
00:28:12.000 We have to be creative, we have to be innovative.
00:28:14.000 So my question for you is,
00:28:16.000 Like, we normally think of faith or biblical religion on the one hand and technological progress on the other as incompatible, or at least, like, intention.
00:28:23.000 There's like a whole Silicon Valley episode about this, but is it possible... Yes.
00:28:27.000 I believe they said being religious is borderline illegal in Silicon Valley.
00:28:31.000 Right, right, exactly.
00:28:32.000 But, like, is it possible that that's, like, a weird quirk of the 20th century?
00:28:35.000 But like, is that maybe like a weird quirk of the 20th century?
00:28:38.000 Like, we really want a robust culture of innovation and technological creativity, so you've said in the past that we need a new philosophy of the future, so would a theory of the human person bearing the divine image of a creative god, of an inventor god, fit that bill?
00:28:52.000 Like, should people in 2023... I mean, it really speaks to my heart, I'd say, because as someone who loves sort of inventing and technology and discovering out
00:29:02.000 I mean, discovering the truths of the universe, creating wonderful new things that didn't exist before, wonderful new technologies that help people.
00:29:12.000 You know, I think sometimes I hear among absurd things, people saying like, oh, the world today is so terrible.
00:29:21.000 You really should read history, okay?
00:29:26.000 Because it's awesome.
00:29:30.000 Let me tell you, you don't want to be in Masada, you know, when the Romans were besieging it.
00:29:34.000 That wasn't fun, at all.
00:29:36.000 Right, the people who actually started on Masada only got to go there once, that was it.
00:29:42.000 Exactly, one way trip, you know.
00:29:45.000 No, they were super badass and that's why they're celebrated today.
00:29:48.000 Like I said, I was there and I encouraged people to visit Masada and to visit Israel and to visit the various holy sites and see these incredible places for themselves.
00:29:58.000 I've done that twice.
00:30:01.000 I think, just sort of speaking broadly, I think it is good to have a sense of wonder about
00:30:14.000 The universe about this incredible existence that we have.
00:30:19.000 Um, I think it is, uh, I think we should be trying to understand it more, trying to understand creation.
00:30:28.000 Um, and we should be building beautiful and amazing, uh, technologies that make our lives better and also allow us to explore the incredible work.
00:30:44.000 A Jewish pro-Israel organization established in 2007 holds an annual Champions of Jewish Values Awards Gala and is honored Corey Booker, Ted Cruz, Ron DeSantis, Tulsi Gabbard, Ed Royce, Ron Dermer, David Freeman, Eve Harvey, Caitlyn Jenner, Dr. Oz, Janine Biro, Kamala Anderson, Ben Kingsley, Sean Penn,
00:31:08.000 This guy, Jon Voight, Ken Gerson, Brett Stephens from Jerusalem Post, Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Barry Madolson, Sheldon Adelson, Steve Mnuchin!
00:31:19.000 Oh my gosh, Evander Holyfield!
00:31:26.000 Man, Sean Spicer of the Trump administration.
00:31:29.000 Yes.
00:31:43.000 And it was because the Founders looked to Deuteronomy and saw that it lays out a vision for political order, which all the great political thinkers of the Renaissance called the Eastern Republic.
00:31:52.000 Now, Deuteronomy's vision of society is based on four elements, of which the American Founders really explicitly borrowed three, right?
00:31:59.000 There's chief executives with limited powers, there's teachers of the law, there's a legislature,
00:32:03.000 And then there's, of course, but there's a fourth element in Deuteronomy that's missing from the American system, and that's the prophet.
00:32:09.000 And you can see why the Founders left that out, because it's an engineering nightmare, right?
00:32:13.000 Like, practically speaking, it's not something you can build into an institution.
00:32:16.000 It's spontaneous.
00:32:17.000 It's like a force that's meant to critique institutions or all of society itself from the outside.
00:32:24.000 And that's
00:32:24.000 Actually, precisely why profits are so important.
00:32:27.000 Like, healthy societies need a mechanism for reflection and critique from the outside.
00:32:30.000 So, you need profits, but you can't build them.
00:32:32.000 So like, from an engineering perspective, how do you get them?
00:32:36.000 So, my question to you, Elon, is this.
00:32:38.000 If I were making the case for the importance of social media... One of the rabbi's daughters followed up on her father's theme, when she was 28, she opened a boutique.
00:32:46.000 I know, I agree.
00:32:47.000 Instead of relying on just a plain free speech argument, we could also say, like, hey, if we're ever going to identify those crucial voices of outside critique...
00:32:54.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:32:55.000 You gotta kiss a lot of frogs before you get to Prince.
00:33:21.000 I don't know what to say except that I agree with what you just said.
00:33:26.000 When Jewish gay couples tell me they have never been attracted to members of the opposite sex and are just alone, I tell them, you have 611 commandments left.
00:33:36.000 That chick should be busy.
00:33:37.000 Now go create a kosher home.
00:33:40.000 Too much homophobia.
00:33:42.000 The biggest threat doesn't come from gay marriage but from divorce.
00:33:46.000 The reason for the abolition was to help turn, you know, formerly known as Twitter, now X, into being a positive force for civilization.
00:34:00.000 And I felt it was increasingly a negative force.
00:34:04.000 Wow, what a great guy.
00:34:28.000 That's one of the guys on this panel.
00:34:29.000 It wasn't because I thought, well, this is a great way to make tons of money and make my life easier.
00:34:36.000 I was fully aware that the acquisition of Twitter was financially dubious.
00:34:42.000 Now, at the end of the day, we work with other investors, so I'm going to make sure that ultimately it does pay off for those investors.
00:34:50.000 I've been coming into it thinking, wow, I've got a real gold mine of actual
00:34:57.000 Money here, that's not the case.
00:34:59.000 Best case scenario, Twitter historically has been a non-profit, essentially.
00:35:03.000 Non-profit and they didn't make profit.
00:35:09.000 They're supposed to make profit.
00:35:10.000 I was just going to say, we need to turn it into a for-profit PH.
00:35:20.000 And I was also aware that I was going to get a massive amount of flack.
00:35:23.000 Well, mission accomplished there.
00:35:26.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:35:28.000 Just to be clear, we have been pretty dumb, slash deluded.
00:35:36.000 Freedman has claimed that the moral way to fight a war is to destroy their holy sites, kill men, women, children, and cattle.
00:35:53.000 Of course we're good.
00:35:55.000 And increasing them so.
00:35:56.000 Something that is useful and entertaining and for the civilization.
00:35:59.000 That's the intention.
00:36:02.000 I'm glad you brought up this point because the goal is not merely to break even, which would be sort of stopping hate speech.
00:36:09.000 It's increasing positive speech and increasing things that you learn.
00:36:15.000 No, no, sometimes those things that one learns are sort of unpleasant truths.
00:36:18.000 And this is a Jewish agency.
00:36:20.000 So this guy is in the space, chairman of the Jewish agency.
00:36:24.000 But, you know, so that's the goal.
00:36:28.000 That's the aspiration, to make something as useful, entertaining, and in the
00:36:33.000 This guy runs a Jewish settlement that was created by the Jewish Agency.
00:36:37.000 This is on the Jewish Agency.
00:36:39.000 The Jewish Agency for Israel was a subsidiary of the Jewish Agency Free State Lobby for Israel.
00:36:56.000 You know, our Bible had this crazy idea in it.
00:36:58.000 It was the idea of a Sabbath.
00:37:00.000 Like, one whole day a week where nobody worked.
00:37:02.000 The idea was ludicrous to the Roman Empire, right?
00:37:06.000 Now, in the end, like, jokes on Tacitus because the Roman Empire collapsed, you know, just like a meme on TikTok.
00:37:14.000 Sabbath is absurd, by the way.
00:37:15.000 Billions of people across the globe.
00:37:16.000 So, like, scoreboard.
00:37:18.000 But, aside from that, I'm curious what you, you're like one of the most productive people on the planet by any, like, objective measures.
00:37:23.000 So, I'm curious what you think about a revolutionary institution like the Sabbath.
00:37:28.000 It's like a regular recurring day of turning work off to focus on core values, like Rabbi Jonathan Sackler called the Continental Times.
00:37:34.000 Is that an underrated, overrated, properly rated idea in a high productivity society?
00:37:39.000 What do you think?
00:37:42.000 I think the general principle of a day of rest is a good one.
00:37:46.000 It's a principle that I can't say that I particularly adhere to.
00:37:50.000 And this guy runs a holocaust.
00:37:54.000 My ratio is more like, well, if I take three days off per year, that seems about right for me.
00:38:00.000 People are saying to mute the space.
00:38:01.000 But I think for most people it is a good thing.
00:38:07.000 And in the modern era, somewhat have extended that to the weekend, effectively two Sabbath days.
00:38:17.000 You know, there's a word for it called the weekend.
00:38:20.000 Right.
00:38:20.000 Mission creeped.
00:38:22.000 Yeah.
00:38:23.000 So in fact, it would seem that one society has not really thought this out as a good idea, but decided we need to double down on that.
00:38:32.000 So, you know, and I think that's generally good.
00:38:35.000 And I mean, I think if we think about the sort of what's the sort of overall optimization of, you know,
00:38:46.000 It's really saying area under the curve of human happiness.
00:38:50.000 So if you take all the humans and their average happiness and how much happiness is that?
00:38:56.000 And looking also into the future so that we're not, you know, because obviously one can do things that make one happy in a very short term.
00:39:03.000 Let me lower this for a sec so you guys can hear me.
00:39:05.000 So...
00:39:08.000 One of the guys on the space is Rabbi Manicham Margolin.
00:39:15.000 He's the chairman of the European Jewish Association.
00:39:21.000 This is the mission statement of the European Jewish Association.
00:39:25.000 To strengthen Jewish identity and expand Jewish activities in Europe.
00:39:29.000 To defend Jewish interests in Europe.
00:39:34.000 That's it?
00:39:36.000 So, please, both you and Ben, feel free to chime in.
00:39:41.000 Now, in order for us to be able to hear all of our distinguished guests, we will do it one guest at a time.
00:39:48.000 One technical request to all of the speakers.
00:39:51.000 After your introduction... Hang on, so we got some guests.
00:39:55.000 We'll listen and hear what the guests have to say.
00:39:57.000 So that you can be heard.
00:40:00.000 There we go.
00:40:01.000 Our first guest is President Reuven Rivlin.
00:40:04.000 President Rivlin served as Israel's 10th president, and he is currently a member of the steering committee of the European Jewish... Is Rabbi Cooper speaking perhaps?
00:40:14.000 Or... I don't know who... President of Israel asking a question now.
00:40:19.000 Yeah, President Rivlin.
00:40:20.000 Hello.
00:40:20.000 Yeah?
00:40:22.000 Yes, I'm here.
00:40:23.000 Good evening to all of you from Jerusalem and Elon.
00:40:26.000 I feel at home once I call you Elon because Elon is a very popular name in Israel.
00:40:33.000 Yes.
00:40:36.000 Okay, do you hear me?
00:40:37.000 If you hear me, I can go on.
00:40:38.000 In fact, after listening very carefully to your words, I have only one question because we are facing the same problems in Israel.
00:40:51.000 I don't know if you know, but throughout my career as a politician, as a member of the government, as a member of Knesset, and as the Speaker of the Knesset, the President of the Knesset, and at the end, a leader of the 10th President of Israel after Shimon Peres, I all my life fought for civil liberties, including
00:41:19.000 Free speech, civil rights, and also a view as a cornerstone of a free society.
00:41:29.000 You know, I think I would like to ask you a question, and it is quite a tough question.
00:41:37.000 Where do you actually draw the line?
00:41:40.000 Unfortunately, as we all know, antisemites are using free speech
00:41:49.000 All over the world, they are spreading hatred, racism, they are spreading really bad feelings one to each other.
00:42:05.000 So my question to you, Alan, is what will be, in your eyes, the case in which
00:42:15.000 Would also we consider and agree, agree together as a person, if a person should not be banned or censored
00:42:29.000 By his words, because sometimes in Israel also, we run and we wish to run and we believe that we can run a Jewish democratic state, but we have along with us the Palestinians and people, the Arab-Israeli people, and sometimes
00:42:49.000 There are people in Israel who really believe that a Jewish democratic state means democracy only for the Jews.
00:42:58.000 And that is something that we are fighting very, very hard and very, very seriously against those thoughts.
00:43:06.000 And we are discussing many times where to draw the line.
00:43:14.000 Yeah, I know.
00:43:15.000 I'm open to ideas here.
00:43:20.000 I think we're drawing the line currently, maybe not in the best place, but it's not terrible.
00:43:26.000 As Ben Shapiro is saying, his personal experience has actually improved.
00:43:36.000 I'm aware of that old trope of, I have a Jewish friend.
00:43:40.000 I don't have a Jewish friend.
00:43:41.000 I think probably I have twice as many Jewish friends as non-Jewish friends.
00:43:45.000 That's why I think I have so much respect.
00:43:47.000 I think I am Jewish, basically.
00:43:48.000 And they use the Xplatform, and I was like, do you guys see anything?
00:43:55.000 And they're like, nope.
00:43:57.000 It's like, okay, well at least you want to look at things statistically, and then also just confirm that there's not some statistical errors with seeking as many anecdotal points as possible.
00:44:10.000 So I think we're actually in a terrible place, and if we want to get to a better place, then like I said,
00:44:19.000 optimizes for the good of humanity collectively.
00:44:24.000 And I also mentioned, like, if somebody does express some antisemitic views, within reason, I think you sometimes want to have that be said so that they can hear the counterpoints.
00:44:36.000 And if they never hear the counterpoints, then they're going to just be hidden antisemites.
00:44:40.000 And that's not going to do it.
00:44:42.000 That's perhaps worse.
00:44:44.000 A prominent example being Kanye.
00:44:50.000 I've talked to Kanye or Ye many times.
00:44:54.000 He says he's very Christian.
00:45:01.000 There's a reason why Judeo-Christian is often one word.
00:45:04.000 It's based on a lot of the same things.
00:45:07.000 One of the principles of Christianity is love thy neighbor like thyself.
00:45:15.000 You know, basically have empathy for others.
00:45:17.000 And turn the other cheek, which is, do not hold a grudge or seek revenge, because... Yeah, Jews never do that.
00:45:26.000 If you do an eye for an eye, an eye for an eye turns the whole world blind, as the saying goes.
00:45:31.000 Jews never hold a grudge.
00:45:32.000 There is actually great wisdom to forgiveness, in order to stop the cycle of retribution.
00:45:40.000 And this is generally something I would encourage.
00:45:44.000 Everyone throughout the world to think about is the natural instinct is revenge, retribution.
00:45:52.000 But then you get retribution, then they get retribution on you, and you have this endless cycle.
00:45:57.000 And we want to try to break some of these endless cycles of retribution.
00:46:00.000 And that's part of the challenges.
00:46:03.000 That's at the heart of many of the challenges that Israel faces, is this feeling, these strong feelings of retribution.
00:46:12.000 Among the Palestinians and whatnot.
00:46:18.000 So I think those similar principles are very wise.
00:46:20.000 I can't say I've been... I think I've made some progress there, to be frank, with the A. So that's perhaps better than just completely excluding it.
00:46:38.000 You try to get to the bottom of where is this coming from?
00:46:41.000 Frankly, I wasn't clear on where it was coming from in his case, but I did try to say that if you believe in Christian values, then you should act according to them.
00:46:55.000 And so, basically, can we turn an anti-Semite into someone who is at least neutral, if not pro?
00:47:02.000 Oh my gosh!
00:47:03.000 Absolutely!
00:47:05.000 I really believe that you, as a real somebody, a self-made man by all meanings, and be appreciated by the whole world, can do a lot by defining, of course, and the help to draw a line in order to find the way, in order to make the real definition when we can allow it, when we are talking about
00:47:34.000 Civil rights about free speech and when we are talking about incitement and that goes also in all over the world, all over the world and all over the free world.
00:47:46.000 We would appreciate really discussing those matters with you because I really believe that you can help a lot.
00:47:54.000 In order to bring to the whole humanity into sense.
00:47:59.000 And we are looking forward to see you in Israel, because you are doing so much.
00:48:03.000 And we are doing something in Israel that could help the entire world.
00:48:08.000 And I hope to see you one of these days in Israel.
00:48:12.000 And God bless you.
00:48:13.000 God bless you.
00:48:14.000 Thank you.
00:48:15.000 God bless you, too.
00:48:17.000 Thank you.
00:48:17.000 We'll now move to Rabbi Abraham Cooper from the Simon Wiesenthal Center.
00:48:21.000 Rabbi Cooper, please.
00:48:25.000 Oh my god.
00:48:25.000 Rabbi Cooper, please unmute yourself.
00:48:27.000 And these are just some of them.
00:48:28.000 These are just some of them.
00:48:34.000 Let's see.
00:48:34.000 Where do we go from here?
00:48:35.000 Okay.
00:48:37.000 Rabbi Cooper.
00:48:39.000 Okay.
00:48:42.000 I hear a very quiet voice.
00:48:46.000 Okay.
00:48:48.000 Is that me?
00:48:49.000 Perhaps.
00:48:53.000 OK.
00:48:55.000 Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, please, go ahead.
00:49:00.000 Hi, Ilan.
00:49:01.000 Can you hear me?
00:49:01.000 Can you hear me well?
00:49:02.000 Yes, no problem.
00:49:04.000 OK.
00:49:04.000 First of all, let me just tell you, I served as rabbi at Oxford University for 11 years and therefore hosted presidents, prime ministers, captains of industry.
00:49:13.000 I say this sincerely.
00:49:14.000 There's a famous Talmudic expression that words that emanate from the heart penetrate the heart.
00:49:17.000 You can't fake sincerity.
00:49:19.000 I have probably never heard as nice a compliment about the Jewish people as the two words, aspirationally Jewish.
00:49:29.000 I think you are indeed aspirationally Jewish.
00:49:31.000 I'm going to respectfully disagree with my dear colleague, Ben Shapiro.
00:49:35.000 I think being Jewish is a wonderful thing.
00:49:37.000 Yeah, I agree.
00:49:39.000 We are creatively disruptive.
00:49:41.000 There are people who are catastrophically destructive, the Hitlers, the Stalins, and they hate those who are creatively disruptive.
00:49:50.000 And you are a creative disruptor.
00:49:52.000 Now, so instead of putting you in the defendant's chair, and that you have to
00:49:58.000 That you have to defend against false accusations of antisemitism, which is itself very unfair, and that happens to Israel all the time.
00:50:04.000 Israel has to deny that it's a Nazi regime.
00:50:09.000 Let me say the exact opposite.
00:50:11.000 My apologies.
00:50:14.000 Isn't that amazing?
00:50:15.000 Yeah, so it's not fair to put you in the defendant's chair.
00:50:17.000 That's what your opponents are seeking to do, so that you spend all your time... You know, in politics they say that defending is losing.
00:50:23.000 Sure.
00:50:25.000 Let me rather talk about some of the creative disruption in terms of Jewish values that you, as a non-Jew who is aspirationally Jewish, is bringing to the world.
00:50:36.000 I'm very into values that run the World Values Network.
00:50:38.000 Together with the richest black man in America, Robert Smith, the biggest black philanthropist, we created Values University to get people like you to do short videos, talk about your foremost values.
00:50:48.000 There are three things that I wanted to quickly discuss.
00:50:51.000 I'll go through them and then we can discuss them one by one.
00:50:53.000 I love your emphasis on large families and many children.
00:50:56.000 Yes, so important.
00:50:58.000 I believe it is the last prejudice in society that you can look down at people who have a lot of kids as backward, as neanderthalic.
00:51:08.000 Yeah, I know, it's terrible.
00:51:11.000 Yes, in fact, as you know, yes, I have many children, as did Father Abraham.
00:51:19.000 So I'm like, hey guys, I'm actually super pro-human, pro-humanity, I love humanity, and I think it makes me sad when I suspect perhaps some people don't love humanity.
00:51:32.000 Like, you know that there's an extinctionist movement?
00:51:34.000 Like, there's a guy on the front page of the New York Times,
00:51:37.000 Literally quoted as saying there are 8 billion people in the world and he wished it would be better if there were none.
00:51:41.000 That's an actual movement.
00:51:43.000 There's an explicit extinctionist movement, which is like saying genocide to all of humanity, which is so crazy I don't even know where to start.
00:51:54.000 And it somewhat has people concluding, mostly implicitly, but sometimes explicitly, that humanity is a blight on the face of the earth that must be extinguished.
00:52:07.000 Things that Hitler would agree with, except he's more selective.
00:52:16.000 This is total madness.
00:52:20.000 We should be expanding the scope and scale of consciousness.
00:52:24.000 We should be extending to the stars.
00:52:26.000 We should be an exciting, space-faring civilization, and to explore and understand the wonders of creation.
00:52:36.000 Well, and the very first commandment of the Bible, of course, is to have kids, to appreciate the innocence of children, to appreciate the creativity, the fascination, and everything that you said before about not having revenge in hearts.
00:52:48.000 Our children, unlike Freud, who saw them as these tiny little narcissists, in Judaism we believe that there's this beauty to kids.
00:52:57.000 I have to tell you that the view
00:53:00.000 The photos of you bringing your beautiful little son X to the meeting with Erdogan.
00:53:05.000 Now, I'm not here to put you into an uncomfortable position.
00:53:08.000 Erdogan is not, you know, a big Jewish favorite.
00:53:10.000 He's called us Nazis and Hitler, and he tries to be this strong man, and suddenly you come to this meeting with him holding this beautiful baby, and it's so disarming.
00:53:19.000 Like, you're not ashamed to bring your son, your baby son,
00:53:22.000 I think people, maybe if they haven't had kids, don't realize that kids are the source of the greatest happiness.
00:53:52.000 You know, I think for the best yard people, they really love their children.
00:53:56.000 And when you love something, you derive happiness from their happiness.
00:54:00.000 So, you know, it's when my kids are happy, that makes me happy.
00:54:07.000 Unfortunately, when my kids are sad, it also makes me sad because it's not all, you know, good.
00:54:11.000 But if my kids are happy, you know, it warms my heart and it makes me happy.
00:54:21.000 So I actually tell friends, I have many friends who have no children, or perhaps only one, and I really, I'm constantly urging them to at least have one or two, ideally three if possible.
00:54:36.000 And in fact, I do this so frequently that people already know the subject matter when I'm about to say something.
00:54:52.000 Instead of organizations like the ADL criticizing you, you have done more to promote this idea of children.
00:54:58.000 You have to understand how important this is for Jews especially.
00:55:01.000 We are not a proselytizing faith.
00:55:02.000 We don't have an army of missionaries.
00:55:04.000 So unless we have large families, the Jewish people disappear.
00:55:07.000 There were 20 million, 18 million Jews before the Holocaust.
00:55:10.000 6 million were murdered.
00:55:11.000 That still left 14 million.
00:55:12.000 We haven't grown at all in those 80 years.
00:55:15.000 We're still at 14 million.
00:55:16.000 Really?
00:55:17.000 Yeah, that's it.
00:55:19.000 Because the Jewish birth rate is so low.
00:55:22.000 Well, that's sadder than I thought a human could feel.
00:55:26.000 As a father of nine children myself, it was very heartbreaking.
00:55:31.000 The next thing I wanted to go to quickly is
00:55:33.000 So that's the first thing, Jewish values, kids.
00:55:35.000 The second is, I was amazed at your conversation with Prime Minister Netanyahu, who I've, thank God, known for 34 years at Oxford.
00:55:42.000 He used to come to speak to my students all the time.
00:55:44.000 You have a right to kind of take credit for whatever might happen between Israel and Saudi Arabia, because the reason why MBS is probably thinking that he has to really get, in all the Gulf states, the Abraham Accords, moving away from a petrodollar economy is because of Tesla, you know, killing gas
00:56:03.000 And more than any other consideration, I think MBS and the sheiks of Abu Dhabi and Dubai and Bahrain and of course Morocco and Morocco doesn't have the same kind of oil, but they're all thinking
00:56:23.000 You know, it's funny you mention that.
00:56:24.000 I wouldn't say it was, like,
00:56:54.000 I did actually.
00:56:57.000 Well, let's put it this way.
00:56:59.000 I was well aware that it would change the geopolitical power balance.
00:57:07.000 Countries that had a lot of oil obviously would not be as powerful in the future as in the past if we have a sustainable energy economy that is using electric vehicles.
00:57:19.000 And so, you know, that's rather obvious, is that if you change to a sustainable energy economy, then oil becomes less important.
00:57:34.000 Now, I don't think oil becomes
00:57:36.000 There's always going to be some role for oil.
00:57:37.000 Everybody like my stream, by the way.
00:57:39.000 Everybody like the stream.
00:57:40.000 If you're watching, smash the like button.
00:57:44.000 Remember to like the stream.
00:57:46.000 So it's not going to completely disappear, but it will shift the power balance.
00:57:50.000 And that is already happening to some degree.
00:57:53.000 I just don't even know what the space is at this point.
00:57:57.000 And yeah, it might have played a role.
00:58:01.000 I should say also that generally what I have met with world leaders,
00:58:06.000 For what, you know, as much as my opinion is worth, I've generally encouraged them to have a peaceful dialogue with other countries, and I've encouraged heads of state to reach out, not through, you know, their sort of foreign ministry necessarily, or it's often, you know, somebody three levels down in the foreign ministry, but to reach out head of state to head of state directly.
00:58:35.000 Well, I truly believe the rise of electric cars, which is synonymous with you, is the principal reason why the Gulf states...
00:58:49.000 Okay, we will now move to the next speaker to... I think we might have lost you.
00:58:55.000 We will now move to the next speaker to Natan Sharansky, the chair of the... Apologies, I think we probably need to make some tweaks to the UI on this.
00:59:02.000 ...of the combating antisemitism.
00:59:03.000 So the Mic On, Mic Off thing isn't completely intuitive.
00:59:06.000 We will now move to Natan Sharansky.
00:59:07.000 Natan Sharansky, please.
00:59:11.000 Okay, thank you.
00:59:13.000 Welcome everybody and Elon, of course, for this opportunity.
00:59:17.000 Look guys,
00:59:19.000 As some of you know, I was born and lived and fought in the Soviet Union, where it was clear that there is no freedom of speech and a lot of anti-Semitism.
00:59:32.000 And it goes well together.
00:59:34.000 Soviet dictatorship would not permit any freedom of speech.
00:59:40.000 It will do everything that there will be no Jewish or any other identity.
00:59:47.000 Their religion was opium for the people.
00:59:51.000 And it was clear that anti-Semitism is needed for the dictator to control its own people.
00:59:56.000 So they need external and internal enemy.
00:59:58.000 And so Jews are very good internal and external enemy.
01:00:03.000 So for me, anti-Semitism was a natural part of the dictatorship.
01:00:08.000 But then when I moved into the free world, went out of prison and became a member of the Israeli government,
01:00:16.000 I was surprised to find out that anti-Semitism on the left and the right can be part of the free world, the world of free speech.
01:00:25.000 And of course the big shock was when 20 years ago the so-called Durban Conference, the first conference against racism, became the conference of agreeing that there is one
01:00:41.000 This is Rabbi Shmueli, I don't know if this is right.
01:00:47.000 I don't know what the fuck to hate science!
01:00:50.000 Dude, Twitter fucking sucks!
01:00:51.000 It fucking sucks!
01:01:01.000 Not only is it like apparently run by Jews entirely now, but also if you don't have an account because the Jews won't let you have one, you're rate limited and you can't fucking see anything.
01:01:12.000 Really?
01:01:12.000 What is this?
01:01:14.000 Okay, there we go.
01:01:16.000 So this is Rabbi Shmuley who's on the space.
01:01:20.000 This is two days ago.
01:01:22.000 Uncancelled.
01:01:23.000 Kanye has a new album, new collab, still makes millions.
01:01:28.000 Somebody leaked another never-released album on Yom Kippur.
01:01:33.000 It's like another Yom Kippur War, I guess.
01:01:35.000 Another sneak attack.
01:01:37.000 And last month, Travis Scott performs with him in Rome.
01:01:40.000 Kanye is releasing new music, working with top-tier artists, and making tens of millions from his deals with Adidas.
01:01:47.000 His cancellation feels like a month-long pause.
01:02:06.000 Seriously?
01:02:12.000 Alright.
01:02:15.000 I don't know what keeps happening.
01:02:17.000 I just keep disconnecting for some reason.
01:02:18.000 That's so weird.
01:02:27.000 Difficult.
01:02:30.000 Can we, between these two extremes, looking for the algorithm, or looking for removing the persons who are speaking anti-Semitism, can we do something like algorithm with
01:02:45.000 Yeah, I believe that's what we currently regard.
01:03:15.000 There's quite a long list, I'm not sure of the exact number of terms, but it's a very long list of terms that are, you know, I think, unequivocally anti-Semitic, and those terms are, you know, could cause the algorithm to basically not promote posts that have those terms.
01:03:37.000 You know, I think one can sort of get into some very fine-grained debates, like, well, you know, is this, does this term, should this term... You know, so, it's not like there's a, you know, there's a bit of a, there's some things for sure are sort of more black and white, some which are a grey area.
01:03:56.000 I think the general bias thus far has been, even if it's in the grey area, that it has diminished reach.
01:04:03.000 That's the current situation.
01:04:06.000 So, I think there is some value to not being draconian, meaning that if someone does sort of express views that could be considered anti-Semitic, that there's, you know, on our platform publicly, that there's then an opportunity for people to convince that person to change their mind, or present facts that they're perhaps not aware of, or rebut absurdities that they currently believe.
01:04:38.000 Well, you know, from my experience, I was asking my students, try to, you have some