America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - Embrace the State feat. Lucian Wintrich | America First Ep. 216

00:00:06.000 Good evening, everybody.

00:00:07.000 You're watching America First.

00:00:08.000 My name is Nicholas J. Fuentes.

00:00:10.000 We've got a great show for you tonight.

00:00:12.000 Joining us today is the New York City Bureau Chief from the Gateway Pundit, but I'm sure you probably know him by now.

00:00:19.000 Pretty famous, and a good friend of mine, Mr. Lucian Wintrich.

00:00:22.000 How's it going, big guy?

00:00:24.000 Wonderful, Nick.

00:00:25.000 How are you?

00:00:26.000 Thank you so much for having me on one of the few shows that I haven't been on yet.

00:00:32.000 So I was scared that you were scared that this might heat up too much.

00:00:39.000 Yeah, no, well, I know there is a lot of disagreement, and I am glad to point that out because, as we were just talking about a moment ago, I think on both sides, we're going to take a little heat for this show.

00:00:51.000 I know a lot of people say, Nick, how could you?

00:00:54.000 This guy is a New York socialite and that kind of thing.

00:00:58.000 And I know on your side, people are going to be like, how could you be on the Nazi show or whatever?

00:01:04.000 But that's okay. 0.51

00:01:05.000 But that's okay.

00:01:06.000 Sometimes we have to ruffle little feathers, right?

00:01:08.000 We, I mean, that, you know, isn't that the job of any sort of pundit or journalist?

00:01:15.000 We're supposed to be asking the questions, challenging other opinions.

00:01:20.000 That's right.

00:01:21.000 That's right.

00:01:22.000 It's about asking the tough questions.

00:01:22.000 It's what it's all about.

00:01:24.000 Now, speaking of tough questions, I see you've got a lot going on there.

00:01:29.000 I do like the headset a lot.

00:01:32.000 You're reporting on a sports game.

00:01:34.000 It's kind of exciting.

00:01:35.000 Yeah.

00:01:35.000 Oh, well, thank you.

00:01:36.000 Yeah.

00:01:36.000 No, see, I don't prefer the headset.

00:01:39.000 I had one of these.

00:01:41.000 I had one of these little guys, one of these little Bluetooth speakers.

00:01:45.000 There's some knife marks on there, but it just really wasn't working out for me.

00:01:51.000 It kept falling out, and the signal was real shy.

00:01:54.000 I got all kinds of connections going on, Bluetooth things, so there was a lot of interference on this.

00:02:01.000 So I had to opt for the wired, the Turtle Beach.

00:02:04.000 This is what I use for Fortnite gaming.

00:02:06.000 So it is exciting.

00:02:08.000 Thank you.

00:02:09.000 Yeah, you know, my younger brother plays at Fortnite.

00:02:12.000 You should.

00:02:13.000 Find his appetite.

00:02:14.000 You know, I don't understand how video games work these days.

00:02:17.000 They've, after Super Mario on Super Nintendo, I sort of, I don't know, they're too confusing.

00:02:24.000 So you're like Gavin McInnes then.

00:02:26.000 You're like, well, you know, Spyros, the second they became 3D, I don't know if you remember Spyros the Dragon for the original PlayStation, that confused me too much.

00:02:34.000 It was too dimensional.

00:02:37.000 You're showing your age.

00:02:38.000 It's kind of funny because, you know, you're, I read about you and it's like you're one of the youngest White House press corps people and all that, but now there is a new, Generation Z, which is rising and now dissenting against the millennials. 0.76

00:02:54.000 If you could, you know, the young punks.

00:02:56.000 It's funny because you and like Gavin and, you know, that kind of crowd are like, you know, we're the new punk rock or anything.

00:03:03.000 But then the Generation Z comes up and it's like, we're setting punk rock on fire.

00:03:07.000 We're burning it all to the ground. 0.99

00:03:09.000 Well, you know, I think possibly that characterization could very much be correct.

00:03:16.000 I almost see a lot of us as.

00:03:19.000 A merger between, you know, punk rock.

00:03:24.000 I don't know if I have used that term before.

00:03:26.000 So maybe if you took Archie Bunker or any 1950s character and merged it with, yeah, he was somebody cool today.

00:03:39.000 See, I don't even know.

00:03:39.000 Maybe I'm just more in line with the 1950s and that sort of way of life.

00:03:44.000 Perhaps.

00:03:45.000 Perhaps.

00:03:45.000 I got to tell you, I don't really understand.

00:03:48.000 You're getting a little bit of echo there.

00:03:49.000 Can you turn your volume down a bit?

00:03:54.000 There we go.

00:03:54.000 Okay.

00:03:55.000 But yeah, no, I think you're right.

00:03:57.000 There aren't a lot of cool people anymore.

00:03:57.000 I know what you mean.

00:03:59.000 You think about cool people from the 60s, from the 50s, they don't make them like that anymore.

00:04:05.000 Steve McQueen, Clint Eastwood.

00:04:07.000 Who is there?

00:04:08.000 Seth Rogen?

00:04:09.000 Give me a break. 0.68

00:04:10.000 Yeah, I mean, these people are terrible.

00:04:10.000 No change.

00:04:12.000 Seth Rogen, the people are idolizing. 0.58

00:04:14.000 Here's this fat stoner who acts by saying everything in this monotone voice, and everything he says is supposed to be hilarious. 0.88

00:04:25.000 It's sad. 0.97

00:04:27.000 I will say, I think culture, everything.

00:04:30.000 Everything being promoted by mainstream media, by Hollywood, by a lot of millennials is terrible content.

00:04:41.000 I will say, with a few exceptions, sometimes they hit the nail on the head.

00:04:46.000 This new Amy Schumer movie, have you seen that?

00:04:49.000 No, no.

00:04:50.000 So she's taking some sort of spin class, right? 1.00

00:04:56.000 She's Amy Schumer, fat, ugly, slob, right? 1.00

00:05:00.000 Unfunny. 1.00

00:05:01.000 She's taking a spin class, she hits her head.

00:05:04.000 After hitting her head, she thinks she's gorgeous, right?

00:05:08.000 She looks in the mirror, all of a sudden she perceives herself to be gorgeous.

00:05:12.000 And most of the movie is about how people walk into the desk she's sitting at at work. 1.00

00:05:20.000 They say, Oh, wow, you fat, ugly slob. 1.00

00:05:23.000 I think I'm in the wrong building. 1.00

00:05:24.000 She says, No, no, no.

00:05:25.000 You're just, you're probably intimidated.

00:05:27.000 I'm beautiful.

00:05:29.000 So the messaging, I think, is right. 1.00

00:05:32.000 I'm scared that young women, young, fat, Slovenly women are going to be trying to hit their heads because of it. 1.00

00:05:40.000 But, you know, some stuff gets it right. 1.00

00:05:44.000 No, I get what you mean.

00:05:44.000 Yeah.

00:05:45.000 That Amy Schumer, you know, correct me if I'm wrong. 1.00

00:05:48.000 Women are not funny, okay? 1.00

00:05:50.000 With few exceptions. 1.00

00:05:51.000 Few, few exceptions.

00:05:53.000 And it's not just Amy. 0.85

00:05:54.000 She's kind of the punching bag, and deservedly so. 0.66

00:05:57.000 I think she should be a literal punching bag in some cases. 1.00

00:06:00.000 But you see so many of these women comedians. 1.00

00:06:02.000 There was this new special on Netflix, for example, where it was this ugly lesbian, and she gets up on, she's Australian or whatever. 0.84

00:06:10.000 And she gets up, and all the people that are writing this up are like, It's not funny, but that's okay. 0.62

00:06:16.000 It's not supposed to be funny.

00:06:17.000 She's a comedian, but she's also making you think.

00:06:20.000 And to me, it's like, Just get these people off the stage.

00:06:22.000 We don't need them.

00:06:23.000 We don't want them. 1.00

00:06:25.000 And with Fat Women in general, I don't want to see them, not even in comedy. 1.00

00:06:28.000 I don't want to see them anywhere. 1.00

00:06:29.000 They're in these magazines and television shows and whatever.

00:06:33.000 Who needs them?

00:06:33.000 We want to see the good looking people.

00:06:35.000 There are two terrible Australian female comics right now. 1.00

00:06:38.000 There's the one with the fanny pack who dances on stage, Demi Lardner. 0.98

00:06:44.000 There's the other one with the Netflix special, and it's supposed to be this comedy special. 1.00

00:06:48.000 She goes on a 15 minute rant about how she was raped and how she's a stronger person because of it.

00:06:57.000 I'm not a man hater. 0.98

00:06:58.000 Don't call me a man hater, but I'm critical of men because I was raped. 0.72

00:07:02.000 How is that stand up?

00:07:04.000 How is any of it stand up? 1.00

00:07:06.000 And then the little lesbian bouncing around in the fanny pack. 1.00

00:07:09.000 None of it's funny. 1.00

00:07:10.000 Demi Lardner.

00:07:11.000 We love Demi Lardner. 0.99

00:07:13.000 She's hilarious.

00:07:14.000 I have to say.

00:07:15.000 She's probably one of my favorites. 1.00

00:07:17.000 She proved to me that women were funny. 1.00

00:07:18.000 You know, dad's Google history. 1.00

00:07:21.000 Classic bit.

00:07:22.000 But I want to get into the news with you.

00:07:25.000 You know, we're going to be talking about her 50 years later, like we talk about Lenny Bruce.

00:07:31.000 I think you're right.

00:07:31.000 I think it just might do it.

00:07:33.000 And the secret stash bit.

00:07:35.000 Classic, classic.

00:07:36.000 I know Carlton Autism is a big fan of that one online.

00:07:39.000 But I want to get into the news with you to get a little topical here, if we can arrest this conversation.

00:07:47.000 And get into what everybody's talking about, which is Infowars.

00:07:50.000 And I want to know your take on it because my take, as basically an authoritarian, and like there's a lot of libertarian people who are like, well, in this case, we have to let the government interfere.

00:08:02.000 I say, no, let the state and like glorify the state.

00:08:05.000 Let the state go in there, smash these companies up, regulate the hell out of them, or nationalize them or something.

00:08:12.000 What do you see as the solution to this censorship problem, which we see with Infowars?

00:08:17.000 You know, I think the free market, first of all, it is terrifying.

00:08:22.000 I believe the market will correct, but there are a handful.

00:08:29.000 This is a very complex issue.

00:08:31.000 Obviously, my end answer is going to be let the market correct.

00:08:37.000 You guessed it there.

00:08:40.000 Here's the thing, though InfoWars, what are they going to do next?

00:08:44.000 Gateway Pundit was basically thrown off of Facebook.

00:08:51.000 We exist there, but a fraction of where we were before.

00:08:55.000 Um, Breitbart, a number of day, uh, yeah, Ben Shapiro's good old daily, whatever it is, uh, whatever it's called, that seems to be doing well.

00:09:03.000 I wonder why.

00:09:04.000 Um, but all these other publications, uh, they're being shadow banned and blacklisted or just thrown off the platform entirely.

00:09:15.000 So, okay, wait, that comes down to those publications pulling in a lot less money, right?

00:09:20.000 Viewers do translate to money.

00:09:22.000 Um, I mean, if nobody's reading something or looking at something, it's not going to exist for very long.

00:09:32.000 That's what scares me basically that a lot of these incredible independent publications and news sources like Infowars, like Breitbart, like The Gateway Pundit are going to go under because the SJW mobs have infiltrated major tech and have directed these companies to work, I believe, against those companies' larger interests.

00:09:53.000 Does that make sense?

00:09:55.000 Yeah.

00:09:55.000 I get where you're coming from, but I guess my question to you I'm still getting a little echo.

00:10:01.000 Do you have headphones or something?

00:10:04.000 Here, how's that?

00:10:05.000 I can put on headphones.

00:10:06.000 How's that, though?

00:10:07.000 Let me test, test.

00:10:09.000 Okay, good.

00:10:09.000 Good.

00:10:10.000 Yeah.

00:10:12.000 But so I guess my question to you would be what do you see as the tech company's endgame? 0.76

00:10:17.000 Because on my show, what I talk about is if you look at these transformations that have happened, not just in political media, but in Hollywood, in television, in the WWE, where they made the first ever women's pay per view, the decisions that they're making are decisions that nobody wants. 0.51

00:10:36.000 Like the NFL is introducing. 0.63

00:10:38.000 Male cheerleaders now, or male dancers into their coverage or whatever, to their football games.

00:10:43.000 These are changes that nobody wants, that nobody's paying to see, nobody wants, but yet they do them anyway.

00:10:49.000 And you say, well, that works against their interest, which is to make money.

00:10:52.000 Do you think that at the end of the day, the interest of a Mark Zuckerberg, a Jeff Bezos, or whoever is to make money, or do you think there's some kind of political agenda that's going on?

00:11:03.000 Well, I think it's money and power.

00:11:06.000 Do they really have.

00:11:10.000 Deep set political agendas?

00:11:13.000 I doubt it. 0.99

00:11:13.000 I mean, if you read Mark Zuckerberg's leaked early AIM transcripts where he's saying, These fools, right? 0.99

00:11:22.000 They're giving me all their information. 0.97

00:11:25.000 Do I think he's an adamant leftist?

00:11:27.000 No. 0.98

00:11:29.000 I think he's sort of a self interested prick. 0.94

00:11:32.000 I think a lot of these people are self interested pricks and capitalists. 0.65

00:11:36.000 And that's throughout history, those people do tend to do well, right?

00:11:40.000 In managing companies.

00:11:42.000 Because they're looking out for self interest.

00:11:43.000 I think we're in a tricky situation.

00:11:47.000 I mean, can you imagine if US Steel or Pittsburgh Plate and Glass or Carnegie or Vanderbilt, if they had to deal with these social justice warriors or the, oh my God, babies?

00:12:02.000 I had an ACLU Mexican run up to me today and in this broken accent yelled, Will you sign this to reunite babies with their families?

00:12:12.000 It's like, first of all, this is wildly inaccurate.

00:12:16.000 Second of all, I was actually picking up lumber, so I was busy.

00:12:21.000 I'm redoing cabinetry.

00:12:23.000 Ah, very good.

00:12:24.000 So, you know, the entire thing right now is such a joke.

00:12:29.000 I really do.

00:12:30.000 I preferred it back when the issues that the left were arguing were a little bit more reasonable. 0.99

00:12:38.000 Like, okay, women should have the right to vote. 1.00

00:12:41.000 Should they? 1.00

00:12:42.000 I mean, that's still up for debate, but that's a more reasonable thing to argue about, right?

00:12:49.000 Right.

00:12:50.000 Now, yeah, now what we're having is what? 1.00

00:12:54.000 Black people can say, kill white people. 1.00

00:12:58.000 I mean, we had that case, right? 1.00

00:12:59.000 The new New York Times editor who was hired, the Asian Rod. 0.76

00:13:05.000 Yeah, Sarah Jong. 0.87

00:13:05.000 Right. 0.87

00:13:07.000 Sarah Jong.

00:13:09.000 Do you remember some of her tweets?

00:13:11.000 Oh, yeah. 0.97

00:13:12.000 I mean, she said that when white people post online, it's like a dog peeing on a fire hydrant. 0.99

00:13:12.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

00:13:18.000 She said that the only reason there wasn't a genocide against white people is because. 1.00

00:13:22.000 People of color were too timid for that. 1.00

00:13:24.000 I mean, they just, just a sampling.

00:13:27.000 And the rationalization was that she was fighting back against the racism that she experienced on a daily basis. 0.99

00:13:35.000 Asians don't experience any fucking racism in America. 1.00

00:13:40.000 That is such an asinine, absurd thing to say that I think only happened maybe 10 years ago. 0.99

00:13:48.000 All of a sudden, Asians who earn more than whites in America, or actually, yeah, out of all the races in America, Asians are earning the most. 0.92

00:13:57.000 They're getting the best educations, going to the best schools.

00:14:01.000 There's no, they're not being killed by actually at nearly the same rate as whites or blacks by police officers.

00:14:09.000 A police officer sees an Asian, they walk away. 1.00

00:14:13.000 They're like, oh, they're probably going to a cello lesson. 0.89

00:14:16.000 And yet all of a sudden, Asians have, certain Asians have decided, oh, well, I would love to keep my high standing in society while claiming minority oppression. 0.93

00:14:29.000 I'm going to sort of just steal what black people are saying and apply it to myself. 0.98

00:14:35.000 It's ludicrous. 0.99

00:14:36.000 It's so frustrating and it's so weird that it seems to have this support among smug white liberals. 0.99

00:14:44.000 They're like, oh, yeah, maybe Asians are oppressed too.

00:14:48.000 Well, and that's, I think, what underlies the entire system is the anti white, because you see that that's what's accepted all over the place.

00:14:48.000 Right.

00:14:55.000 You compare, and this was, I think, a beautiful juxtaposition.

00:14:59.000 Or perhaps just a striking juxtaposition.

00:15:02.000 The last week we have Sarah Jong of the New York Times, and she's saying horrible, overtly racist, anti white things.

00:15:10.000 She keeps her job, and is the New York Times punished?

00:15:13.000 No.

00:15:13.000 Is there any outcry?

00:15:15.000 Everybody forgets about it.

00:15:15.000 No.

00:15:16.000 Well, at least in the mainstream, it goes away for the most part.

00:15:19.000 This week, Infowars kicked off of Apple, Spotify, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTube, you name it, and they can't even point to a single violation, a single area.

00:15:30.000 I mean, they've been allowed on those services.

00:15:32.000 For years and years and years, and overnight they decide, oh, they have egregiously violated the terms of services, no strikes, no warnings, you're just gone.

00:15:41.000 And then you really start to understand, well, what's really going on here?

00:15:46.000 If open racism against white people is tolerated and there's no repercussion, but if you just have a certain political bent or maybe you bring attention to certain issues, well, you're unwelcome.

00:15:56.000 I think that shows you exactly what's going on here.

00:16:00.000 And then my reaction, I am a bit more of a statist.

00:16:03.000 You say, let the market correct itself.

00:16:05.000 My interpretation of this then is that these forces have amassed, they've consolidated, and they're in all the major institutions of power academia, Wall Street, Silicon Valley, media.

00:16:18.000 I mean, you name it, they're all over the place.

00:16:20.000 And they're rushing, they're racing to get control or get back control, rather, of the government so that they could use all these different levers and mechanisms to create their vision to make this happen.

00:16:34.000 And to me, I see the only viable path forward as using the state.

00:16:37.000 We've just got to get there quicker and use it more efficiently and faster to prevent that from happening.

00:16:42.000 I mean, do you agree with that in the short term, in the long term, or not at all?

00:16:47.000 Again, I mean, the major thing that scares me are these potentially great sources for news and content in America going under because of all these bans and because they're being booted off of all these platforms.

00:17:06.000 In terms of the future, I mean, listen, if.

00:17:10.000 InfoWars has a massive audience, right?

00:17:14.000 It'll be curious to see what they go after next.

00:17:16.000 And as you sort of pointed out, this all did happen in a short time span.

00:17:22.000 These tech companies were obviously coordinating.

00:17:27.000 Part of the reason for that probably was because they'd be losing revenue.

00:17:31.000 These companies make money by free money for just hosting these programs.

00:17:38.000 And they made this weird conscientious effort to kick InfoWars off.

00:17:44.000 I think other companies right now are probably quite honestly courting InfoWars.

00:17:51.000 And based on the traffic they bring in and the viewership they bring in, I mean, I think it's terrible that these companies have done this.

00:18:03.000 And it's a complete sort of Orwellian action.

00:18:09.000 It's also terrifying for me as a.

00:18:13.000 Conservative journalist, right?

00:18:15.000 Working at a publication that has been met with just a fraction of what happened in InfoWars, I'm still hesitant about the state moving in.

00:18:25.000 I mean, Nick, what do you think happens after the.

00:18:28.000 Okay, so say the state pushes regulation, right?

00:18:33.000 And how would you see that regulation exactly?

00:18:36.000 Some kind of internet bill of rights or something to that effect?

00:18:43.000 So it would be regardless of what platform you run.

00:18:49.000 If it involves communication, all communication needs to be allowed.

00:18:55.000 Yeah, as long as it doesn't violate any laws.

00:18:58.000 But I think that those regulations should be determined by the state and not arbitrarily by these companies.

00:19:05.000 Now, what about.

00:19:07.000 See, that still gets tricky, though.

00:19:11.000 And, you know, quite honestly, I could argue this both ways.

00:19:15.000 It's such a.

00:19:18.000 Are you really dead set on that one opinion, or could you easily see the other side of the argument?

00:19:24.000 No.

00:19:25.000 I mean, so here's my take on it.

00:19:27.000 I used to be a libertarian for a long time, and I said the market will sort it out and all that.

00:19:33.000 But then I really took a long, hard look, and I said, well, these people are ready, willing, and able to forego the money in pursuit of market domination and in pursuit of these larger political goals.

00:19:45.000 I don't think that we're going to see info wars on like Hulu or Netflix anytime soon.

00:19:51.000 I think that what's happening is like a gangsterization where you see there is collusion in this oligopoly market or oligopolistic market, and they're just going to force.

00:20:02.000 Conservative or right wing opinion into a ghetto, and gradually that ghetto will get bigger and bigger.

00:20:06.000 It started with like just the stuff that we all agree is not good, like the KKK or the neo Nazis, and then it was like edgy alt right stuff, like Daily Stormer and alt right.com, and now it's Infowars, and then maybe tomorrow it's Breitbart and Gateway Pundit.

00:20:23.000 I don't know how far it goes to the right, but I have a strong feeling that the market incentives are not working here because there really isn't competition possible.

00:20:32.000 If I wanted to start, like, I'm gonna start the alternative to Twitter.

00:20:36.000 Like, good luck with that.

00:20:38.000 You know, if I wanted to start the alternative to a major ISP, a major hosting or domain company or a payment processor, it's like good luck jumping through all the regulatory hurdles and getting the funding.

00:20:49.000 And it's just impossible.

00:20:50.000 So we need the state.

00:20:52.000 We have to embrace guns and coercion to go in there and force these people to stand down.

00:20:58.000 That's the only way I see it happening.

00:21:01.000 I mean, okay.

00:21:02.000 So I, and I don't want to sound like I'm shifting opinions here, but I, you know, I personally have been very conflicted.

00:21:10.000 About this specific issue for nearly a year now.

00:21:18.000 But okay, if we're just looking at the companies that we communicate through Facebook, Twitter, what's another one?

00:21:28.000 Google Hangouts, right?

00:21:30.000 Sure.

00:21:34.000 This is almost like if we were just talking, if this wasn't being broadcast right now, it'd be the equivalent of us making a call, right?

00:21:42.000 You and I talking on the phone.

00:21:45.000 Correct?

00:21:45.000 Right.

00:21:46.000 So, I mean, you could argue imagine if ATT had a voice recognition set up for certain conversations. 0.99

00:21:53.000 If somebody said, I like President Trump, or I don't know, any number of fucking things, or even said the faggot or the N word or anything like that, and ATT just ended the call. 0.99

00:22:12.000 That would be a huge problem, right? 1.00

00:22:16.000 They're limiting communication.

00:22:18.000 So, you could look at what's going on here with the major tech companies like that and say, absolutely, the government should step in.

00:22:29.000 What I would want to see if the government stepped in was a bill that did not allow the government to increase its control of the tech industry.

00:22:42.000 Because, say, in a couple of years or after another presidential term, after Trump wins again, Then we have a Democrat in power, right?

00:22:53.000 And all of a sudden they use the control that the government now has in the tech industry to just churn out their message.

00:23:01.000 And then we do go, not only, yeah, it would be full propaganda and pandemonium.

00:23:10.000 Well, I mean, my problem with that argument, because that used to be my argument for a long time, which is, well, if we build up excessive regulations, well, that'll be fine when a guy who we like is in power, but when a guy who we don't like comes into power, well, then it's going to be really bad for us.

00:23:26.000 I think there has to be a certain resignation to the fact that this is the way that politics operates now.

00:23:31.000 I mean, we effectively let Democrats do this whenever they get in power anyway.

00:23:37.000 Look at what Barack Obama did.

00:23:38.000 He created DACA.

00:23:40.000 With an executive order.

00:23:41.000 And when Trump tries to get rid of it, they say, oh, no, no, no, you can't do that.

00:23:45.000 The federal judges are going to veto that.

00:23:46.000 So the way I see it is that both parties are racing now, are in a dire race as to who can prevent the other from an absolute domination or takeover.

00:23:58.000 And really, the left is poised to do that.

00:23:59.000 If the left gets into power and they were going to do this with Clinton, they're going to do this after Trump or they'll try to do it after Trump.

00:24:07.000 We have to stop that from happening.

00:24:09.000 It's not like, well, if we just reduce government and we play by the rules.

00:24:13.000 Well, then they'll come in and they'll respect the rules.

00:24:16.000 I mean, they'll, in my view, I think they'll do it anyway.

00:24:20.000 And we're moving towards that the way we are.

00:24:22.000 I think the libertarian argument basically says be complacent, be concerned with the size of government as opposed to the activity and the competence of government when government's been a fantastic thing.

00:24:33.000 You don't want a large, overreaching government.

00:24:36.000 I mean, I've made this argument before about the left.

00:24:41.000 Obama, you know, he took more executive actions than any other president.

00:24:46.000 He overstepped his power.

00:24:48.000 Under Obama, the government swelled.

00:24:52.000 Under Bush, it swelled too, to be honest.

00:24:55.000 Under Trump, it's kind of staying at a nice level.

00:24:58.000 No, it's growing.

00:25:00.000 It's growing.

00:25:02.000 Go ahead.

00:25:03.000 I mean, defense is growing.

00:25:03.000 It's growing.

00:25:05.000 The deficit's almost like a trillion dollars.

00:25:07.000 It's growing.

00:25:08.000 It's still not as bad as Obama or Bush, right?

00:25:12.000 Yeah, I would agree with that.

00:25:14.000 I would agree with that.

00:25:19.000 Okay, so.

00:25:20.000 What makes this particularly tricky is you know, you absolutely know that these tech giants are talking to the left, and the left is saying, okay, well, we're going to give you these sort of, what do you call it, back table, back corner conversations.

00:25:37.000 We'll give you more leniency if you say ban our opposition from your platforms.

00:25:43.000 I mean, this is a strategy that's been used in other countries too with media, right?

00:25:49.000 So, you can still make more money.

00:25:49.000 Right.

00:25:51.000 We'll give you more freedom if you just do our bidding here.

00:25:56.000 Because there's a lack of transparency.

00:25:58.000 Actually, tell you what then.

00:25:59.000 Okay.

00:26:00.000 New argument.

00:26:01.000 How about just more transparency?

00:26:03.000 How about regulated transparency in the tech sector?

00:26:08.000 So, they didn't actually fully explain why InfoWars was banned from any of those platforms.

00:26:14.000 They said what it was bullying.

00:26:16.000 I think the one excuse was bullying, right?

00:26:19.000 Right.

00:26:20.000 So, wouldn't you be happy with more transparency?

00:26:23.000 And if the consumer could see what exactly happened that led to that, if that was exposed, then I don't think that would happen anymore.

00:26:33.000 Sure.

00:26:34.000 I don't care.

00:26:35.000 They don't care. 0.66

00:26:35.000 I mean, well, and here's why it's because most normies, most of these NPCs that constitute the majority of the population are like, oh, that crazy guy got kicked off. 0.66

00:26:46.000 Like, whatever.

00:26:47.000 I mean, do you think that people are going to stop using YouTube, Apple, and Spotify because they're like, Taking a stand for this vitamin salesman.

00:26:56.000 I mean, the humble water filter salesman.

00:26:59.000 It's not going to happen.

00:27:00.000 That's why we have to have the state come in.

00:27:04.000 I mean, I've just fundamentally shifted away from the idea that the state has to be small or necessarily bad.

00:27:11.000 That's a totally Reagan esque idea.

00:27:13.000 And if you look, Trump really hasn't embraced that either.

00:27:15.000 I mean, he's cut regulations and all that.

00:27:18.000 But what Trump has embraced is like a post Reagan republicanism where we're not concerned with the size of government.

00:27:25.000 We're concerned with is it efficient?

00:27:27.000 Is it competent?

00:27:28.000 Is it executing the will of the people?

00:27:30.000 And as long as that's happening, I'm fine with it.

00:27:32.000 Because the government, Silicon Valley was born of the government.

00:27:35.000 Because of Air Force contracts.

00:27:37.000 How much technology and economic growth is driven by the military and military innovation and defense spending?

00:27:44.000 You have to embrace that when the government commits to something and does it competently.

00:27:49.000 Are we really, are we really, I mean, that's the what is it, broken window fallacy.

00:27:54.000 You can't say military spending or like wartime spending is really growing the economy.

00:28:03.000 Well, it causes innovation.

00:28:04.000 We're losing money.

00:28:05.000 It causes innovation because the military says, well, you know, we need to figure out.

00:28:10.000 How we can better adapt to these fighting conditions.

00:28:13.000 And so you look at the innovation that gets, like the computer.

00:28:16.000 The only way the military makes us money, like quite honestly, is when military technologies become slightly obsolete and they're able to sell them to the private sector who then turn them into products.

00:28:31.000 Right.

00:28:31.000 That's what I'm referring to is the innovation that's brought about by research.

00:28:34.000 I'm not talking about war, I'm against war, but I'm talking about when you have, I'm saying that the military research and development leads to great innovation.

00:28:43.000 And that's a good example of, The state, which is not always a horrible thing.

00:28:47.000 Reagan made it out like, oh, government's evil.

00:28:52.000 Bulletproof wallpaper.

00:28:53.000 What's that?

00:28:55.000 The military, they have bulletproof wallpaper now.

00:28:58.000 Hey, doesn't that sound fun?

00:28:58.000 There you go.

00:29:00.000 I think so.

00:29:02.000 Sure.

00:29:04.000 They were instrumental in developing the computer and in all kinds of things.

00:29:08.000 The state built the Hoover Dam, the highways.

00:29:11.000 We could build a great wall.

00:29:12.000 That's a good thing.

00:29:13.000 I'm so exhausted with this.

00:29:15.000 Oh, well, you don't like the government.

00:29:17.000 Do you like roads?

00:29:19.000 Yeah, the roads.

00:29:20.000 Fraction.

00:29:22.000 Such a.

00:29:23.000 And by the way, if you go to a city like New York, we have multiple roads here. 0.99

00:29:28.000 The same fat slobs are working on those roads for 15 years since I moved to New York seven years ago, doing nothing, just directing traffic around the damage because the government really sucks. 1.00

00:29:45.000 And right now, you know, between unions, we have the government's. 1.00

00:29:49.000 Uh, uh, uh, jerking off with the unions.

00:29:54.000 Um, no, nobody's really getting anything done. 0.85

00:29:57.000 Like, if roads were adopted by the private sector, I mean, I think that would be more efficient, right?

00:30:03.000 If there were companies that were responsible for the maintenance of roads, would actually get done right now.

00:30:09.000 The taxpayer is forced to give up their money, right?

00:30:13.000 The government gets to sit around, uh, say how it's spent, see how they could spend it to increase their own power.

00:30:22.000 I'm shocked that you have so much faith in the individual.

00:30:25.000 I mean, I thought you were a little bit more cynical or Nietzschean.

00:30:29.000 Opposite.

00:30:30.000 I don't have faith in the individual.

00:30:32.000 That's the thing, as I think that, and I agree with you that government is incompetent right now.

00:30:37.000 That's a big problem.

00:30:38.000 But you've seen that when Trump gets in, and Trump is a very competent person.

00:30:43.000 Yes, I will say, somebody in your chat made a very funny joke.

00:30:46.000 They said, then what if the company said, no racist can use this road?

00:30:51.000 There you go.

00:30:51.000 That's true.

00:30:52.000 What if they cut off your utilities and all the rest?

00:30:55.000 I mean, that's the problem.

00:30:56.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:30:57.000 We just need a man of action to get in control of the state, make it competent, clean out the corruption and all that.

00:31:04.000 That's kind of the problem this resignation that government will never work.

00:31:08.000 Government can never be good.

00:31:10.000 We have to resign ourselves to the free market.

00:31:13.000 And to me, the free market is.

00:31:15.000 Markets are useful for allocating resources, but they're not the end all be all.

00:31:20.000 There is a role that has to be played by government.

00:31:23.000 I wouldn't say that I'm like a full fledged statist or anything like that, but there has to be a serious.

00:31:28.000 Counter reformation against this zealotry, this Randian, Reagan zealotry that says, you know, we have to just give everything away to corporations and to all the rest.

00:31:40.000 I don't think that's the ticket.

00:31:42.000 I mean, you know, you say, and I will say, I am, and I, not to bring this up in an obnoxious way, I am older than you here.

00:31:53.000 I've worked for larger private corporations, I've worked for small companies.

00:32:01.000 I'm making a solid amount now for the first time in a while.

00:32:07.000 And I've paid taxes throughout all this.

00:32:10.000 You would not believe how much I pay in taxes.

00:32:17.000 You would faint.

00:32:18.000 It's probably at least, yeah, I don't even want to give a rough number, but it's sickening.

00:32:25.000 And where does this money go?

00:32:27.000 To things that I don't necessarily, and the majority of Americans don't really condone.

00:32:34.000 Sure.

00:32:35.000 Give me roads.

00:32:36.000 I would love beautiful roads.

00:32:36.000 I'm fine.

00:32:39.000 Okay.

00:32:40.000 Do I really want to be throwing missiles on Syria?

00:32:44.000 Do I really want to?

00:32:47.000 Not necessarily.

00:32:50.000 I mean, they're just thing after thing.

00:32:54.000 What we paid for, I think we paid the government of Peru or something like that to test the intelligence of some sort of animal, some sort of animal or bug.

00:33:08.000 Why did I pay for that?

00:33:10.000 I was talking to a friend in the State Department about that. 0.84

00:33:13.000 I forget what it was, but it was, again, something asinine and it was around 100 million. 0.94

00:33:19.000 But it's insane. 0.63

00:33:22.000 The entire thing to me is really insane.

00:33:24.000 And because there's so little oversight, I mean, what?

00:33:27.000 The Pentagon lost billions of dollars recently.

00:33:30.000 You go to any of these individual government agencies and they say, oh, well, we can't account for this ton of money.

00:33:39.000 Scary and it's sickening, and that is why we're in debt.

00:33:42.000 I mean, Nick, if you had a bank account, if your bank account was the bank account of the American taxpayer combined, right, you'd be running around, you'd forget what you were buying, or you wouldn't.

00:33:59.000 You'd be completely moral, you'd open your checkbook, right, and do the balancing and say, Here you go, I'm buying you a road, America, you're welcome.

00:34:09.000 You wouldn't buy any new suits.

00:34:14.000 Well, I mean, sure, we can agree that there is excess, and I've conceded that.

00:34:18.000 I'm not defending the state as it exists now.

00:34:22.000 I'm saying that we need to rethink the way that we look at the state because you're right.

00:34:26.000 The government that we have now is corrupt, the government that we have now is excessive and unaccountable, and all those things.

00:34:33.000 But that's why we need to fundamentally rethink the way that we think about our relationship with the state.

00:34:39.000 This thinking that, well, it could never work, we could never have accountability.

00:34:45.000 There have been governments that have worked before.

00:34:47.000 In this country and in America.

00:34:49.000 A Plato's Republic scenario where we breed the best, most moral people to uncertainty the government who we know won't waste our money or get in bed with major tech industries.

00:35:08.000 I mean, that's the only way that I see this large statism that you're pitching working.

00:35:17.000 If we isolate and breed that class of human being, But how does that book end?

00:35:25.000 I think it sort of crumbles.

00:35:27.000 I mean, people still, you know, free will does exist for the most part, and people are corruptible.

00:35:34.000 It's not large statism.

00:35:37.000 What I'm saying is that the state has a role.

00:35:39.000 And if we get competent people to play its role, that's what we want.

00:35:43.000 We don't want to say, well, we just have to give up on it.

00:35:46.000 It could never do it.

00:35:47.000 And therefore, we'll just settle for something which is not good.

00:35:51.000 I mean, we look at, for example, the tech industry is a perfect example of this.

00:35:55.000 We say, well,.

00:35:56.000 Government can't regulate.

00:35:57.000 Government's slow.

00:35:59.000 Ah, we'll just let him self regulate, but that doesn't work.

00:36:01.000 So I'm not saying, well, the government should be totalitarian and should have everything.

00:36:06.000 And I've just told you, I'm not defending the state of affairs, but I'm saying that we as conservatives have to rethink how we look at it.

00:36:12.000 It doesn't have to be all encompassing for us to say that we should have an expectation that government will be competent instead of small.

00:36:20.000 I'm fundamentally not concerned with the size and scope of government.

00:36:24.000 How do you even determine that?

00:36:26.000 Percentage of government spending as a percentage of GDP, or they'll say it's the amount of public employees, or they'll say it's the amount of federal departments.

00:36:36.000 We, you know, the state has grown so much, the society has grown so much.

00:36:40.000 To me, that's basically a lost cause at this point.

00:36:43.000 And this is Trump, by the way.

00:36:44.000 This is what Trump does.

00:36:46.000 We have to just make it work, we just have to make it competent.

00:36:49.000 Trump didn't come into office saying, We're going to privatize health care.

00:36:53.000 He said, We're just going to take care of everybody.

00:36:55.000 He didn't say, We're going to have free trade.

00:36:57.000 He said, I'm going to make good deals.

00:37:00.000 How do you make the post office or the EPA, which shouldn't exist in the first place, or any number of these other government organizations competent?

00:37:11.000 How would you actually do that?

00:37:12.000 You find competent people and you have accountability.

00:37:15.000 Look at Donald Trump.

00:37:16.000 Donald Trump is ushered in accountability.

00:37:18.000 He's brought in.

00:37:19.000 It's not because, I mean, Donald Trump is approaching it as sort of approaching it.

00:37:25.000 He was at the beginning.

00:37:26.000 I don't know what he's doing now.

00:37:27.000 He's sort of frustrating me recently.

00:37:30.000 But for the most part, I think he approaches it as a private company, which very few presidents before him have, right?

00:37:39.000 And I think, okay, then look at the government as a private company.

00:37:42.000 You're providing a service.

00:37:44.000 Say the service is, yeah, roads and keeping us safe.

00:37:48.000 Those are the, I mean, keeping us safe, I think, is the primary.

00:37:51.000 I'm not wild about the excesses spent on the military, but we need to keep ourselves secure.

00:38:02.000 So, yeah, roads and keeping this, if governments are basically our internet fee or whatever, our service fee for that, that's not really the case, though, Nick.

00:38:16.000 And once we get out of those realms, then we have all these other departments and branches that are incompetent and that we can't actually change because many of these departments now are unionized, you realize.

00:38:33.000 Crush the unions.

00:38:33.000 Sure.

00:38:34.000 We need a vigorous national spirit and revitalization to happen.

00:38:39.000 I'm sorry, but I just don't agree with this idea that, well, we can't make it work.

00:38:44.000 And by the way, you go to the private sector.

00:38:48.000 Is the private sector a place where people really have pride in their work and it's great quality?

00:38:53.000 I mean, you make it out, and this is what free market people do everything is so wonderful in the private sector.

00:38:58.000 Yeah, not really, but you can easily fire, for the most part, unless it's a unionized company, you can easily fire people.

00:39:04.000 And again, if you've ever, and this is such an almost trite example to use, but if you've ever, have you ever milled a package or even tried to buy stamps at the post office?

00:39:14.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, it's brutal. 0.92

00:39:15.000 There's this lady who works in my post office. 1.00

00:39:17.000 She's a Bitch, and I got to deal with her every time I go. 1.00

00:39:20.000 It's horrible. 1.00

00:39:21.000 So, okay, so you get that.

00:39:23.000 And, and, um, I mean, listen, private companies will, they'll also occasionally have employees like that. 0.96

00:39:30.000 Um, you get a cuntie enough or a, a, enough cuntie customers to complain to the manager, that person's fired. 0.97

00:39:37.000 Everybody in the world could explain, uh, complain about that woman at your post office. 1.00

00:39:42.000 She's there for life. 1.00

00:39:43.000 She's gonna, you're gonna see her at what when she's 80 years old, still working there.

00:39:48.000 And that's, that's the unfortunate reality of a lot of these government jobs.

00:39:52.000 It's more realistic to me that we are able to change that than that we can change the nature of the private sector.

00:39:59.000 I mean, look at the things that the private sector has touched, like television, for example, like buildings.

00:40:06.000 Wouldn't it be great if government was vanguarding our transition to hyper capitalism, where on television you didn't have all this lewd media, where the architecture wasn't these big glass boxes?

00:40:18.000 Wouldn't it be great if the government said there has to be standards, the buildings have to be built classically and beautiful, or they have to be some kind of style, but they can't be ugly?

00:40:27.000 And on television, we're not going to have this kind of stuff happening on TV.

00:40:30.000 And don't you wish there were some kind of standards enforced?

00:40:33.000 I feel like, and I didn't feel like this for a long time until I started to understand that there was more to life than cheap, efficient products.

00:40:42.000 If there was more quality, if there was more of an art to things delivered by government regulation.

00:40:48.000 Most people, I have the belief that the majority of people in government are incredibly incompetent.

00:40:54.000 And obviously, what you just said draws parallels to.

00:41:02.000 To certain regimes that did have some beautiful buildings.

00:41:08.000 But if you looked at the actual quality of life, okay, so there was what?

00:41:14.000 There was some questionable innovation during wartime that did fuel a few technologies forward.

00:41:26.000 Architecture.

00:41:27.000 The architecture was more brutalist than classical, in my opinion.

00:41:37.000 And I mean, listen, if we had ideally, ideally, companies and architects would design buildings to last rather than just figure out how to make a glass square.

00:41:52.000 I think those things are awful.

00:41:54.000 And, you know, they're going to be ripped down in 20 years and replaced with something else.

00:41:58.000 I do miss the age when we would design buildings and, you know, Products that were supposed to last 50 years or 100 years, and we could pass them down.

00:42:12.000 I mean, a lot of the stuff I buy, I'll hunt down antique versions of it just because I know it'll last longer.

00:42:24.000 Should the government really enforce that?

00:42:29.000 What's the buyer beware in Latin?

00:42:33.000 Carpe diem?

00:42:35.000 No, I'd escaped you right now.

00:42:39.000 So, you know, I believe, I sort of do believe, I believe in that.

00:42:45.000 I mean, I think an intelligent buyer, that's why poor people stay poor. 0.99

00:42:50.000 They're buying a shit $5 fan, it breaks in a week, they have to replace it. 0.99

00:42:57.000 And that's a weekly expense of theirs. 0.99

00:42:59.000 And a more intelligent person saves up for a decent quality product, and they end up having more money in the long term.

00:43:07.000 You know, I just bought a refrigerator with an ice maker.

00:43:10.000 So, I'd have to stop walking to the bodega for ice.

00:43:14.000 Investments.

00:43:15.000 Very good.

00:43:16.000 But that's consumerism.

00:43:18.000 I think if we could turn back.

00:43:19.000 Okay, so actually, this is, I think, a solid argument against what you said.

00:43:23.000 Yes.

00:43:24.000 This sort of rampant consumerism did start to get us out of the Great Depression, if you remember.

00:43:31.000 So, previously, it was this notion you buy women, buy this one pair of stockings, or buy this one fan. 0.53

00:43:41.000 Because it will last you a lifetime. 0.52

00:43:43.000 These stockings won't rip.

00:43:45.000 This fan you can pass down to your grandkids.

00:43:47.000 It's made of cast iron or steel.

00:43:52.000 Then during the Great Depression, largely the way that was reversed was the government and ad industries in America who said, okay, we need to change the pitch here.

00:44:06.000 Buy this because it's the newest thing we have, or buy this because it comes in this box.

00:44:13.000 We don't need that anymore.

00:44:15.000 We really don't. 0.95

00:44:15.000 Now we have a shit ton of nonsense, a ton of beautiful boxes. 0.95

00:44:23.000 It's sort of pointless, but we've never figured out a way to go back to this more quality mindset or traditional mindset, quite honestly. 0.91

00:44:37.000 I mean, I think that would solve a lot of problems, but again, that's not the government saying you have.

00:44:44.000 Do and they do have standards.

00:44:46.000 They're manufacturing standards, right?

00:44:47.000 They're workplace standards.

00:44:49.000 But I think it's something cultural.

00:44:52.000 It's something that you and me and everybody else who has any sort of platform should be pushing for.

00:44:59.000 True.

00:45:00.000 I just think the government plays a big role.

00:45:02.000 I mean, there's a perfect example of this.

00:45:04.000 You look at a city like Washington, D.C., or a city like Paris.

00:45:08.000 Do you want to know why Washington, D.C., and Paris don't look like London or New York City?

00:45:13.000 It's because the government says, You can't build above a certain height because if you build above a certain height, then you're not able to see the monuments.

00:45:21.000 And in Paris, you're not able to see the historical downtown and the Eiffel Tower and all that.

00:45:26.000 And as a result, it's beautiful.

00:45:28.000 And I'm not saying government should manufacture and nationalize things, but there is a place.

00:45:33.000 And I think you can agree that where there are negative market externalities, where the market has shortcomings, the government has a role to play.

00:45:42.000 And we can get competent people in there.

00:45:44.000 If there is somebody like Donald Trump, Who introduces a vigorous national revival where people are taking pride in their country, taking pride in their work, where there is accountability?

00:45:55.000 It starts at the top down, and we can make it happen, and we could make up for those areas.

00:45:59.000 It's not going to happen if we resign ourselves to this world where everyone's out for themselves.

00:46:04.000 We're all atomized individuals.

00:46:06.000 We can't count on anybody.

00:46:07.000 That's, first of all, that's human nature.

00:46:07.000 That's human.

00:46:09.000 And second of all, this, this, that's not human nature, Nick.

00:46:15.000 No, no, I think you've seen many societies.

00:46:18.000 That have a more communitarian ethic and as a result are stronger.

00:46:22.000 Look at Scandinavia.

00:46:23.000 The reason that, and I'm not going to say the government healthcare work in Scandinavia.

00:46:27.000 It's a tiny, homogenous country. 0.96

00:46:29.000 Yes, yes. 0.99

00:46:31.000 And because they had.

00:46:32.000 We're a massive.

00:46:34.000 Okay, you can't see.

00:46:37.000 A lot of what you're saying is so leftist, and I don't really.

00:46:41.000 Homogeneity is leftist?

00:46:43.000 I thought they wanted diversity.

00:46:46.000 Okay.

00:46:47.000 Oh, look at Scandinavia. 1.00

00:46:48.000 Look at these Nordic. 1.00

00:46:50.000 Well, no, no. 1.00

00:46:50.000 You've got to give me a chance to finish what I'm going to say. 1.00

00:46:54.000 It's not what you think.

00:46:55.000 What I'm going to say is in Scandinavia, I'm not saying that healthcare worked there, socialized health, because it didn't.

00:47:02.000 It started to fail very quickly.

00:47:04.000 But it did work a lot better.

00:47:05.000 It worked a lot better than in many other countries initially because there was. 1.00

00:47:10.000 It's a healthy, tiny, all white country. 0.98

00:47:12.000 They eat a lot of fish and carrots.

00:47:15.000 Because there was a strong communitarian ethic and because people felt as if they were family.

00:47:20.000 And if we had a vigorous revival of the national spirit in the country, a communitarian ethic like that, the state could competently execute the will of the people.

00:47:30.000 But it can't do that when we've resigned ourselves to atomization.

00:47:35.000 Scandinavia for a while.

00:47:38.000 We had Minnesota, if you're aware of what Minnesota went through, right?

00:47:45.000 Are you referring to the Somali immigration now, or are you talking about what it was doing?

00:47:50.000 I believe it was Minnesota.

00:47:51.000 It was one of those Nordic states.

00:47:56.000 And yeah, you know, there was a mass immigration from those countries there.

00:48:03.000 Again, tight knit communities.

00:48:05.000 Then there were Somali refugees. 1.00

00:48:08.000 That were brought into the environment. 1.00

00:48:11.000 All of the sudden, child rape gangs, welfare went up, or welfare started basically, became a thing.

00:48:22.000 That is sort of, I don't know.

00:48:25.000 I mean, that's what happens. 0.94

00:48:27.000 You can't, and by the way, those actions, let's take more people in from other, and it's not about the Somali refugees being black or white or whatever else. 0.97

00:48:38.000 Being from a certain culture that takes a long time to assimilate. 0.97

00:48:43.000 Oh, I don't know about that.

00:48:46.000 I personally, you know, I think you can, as well, I believe in assimilation personally.

00:48:56.000 I don't believe in this leftist thing where you plop as many people down in a country for votes and don't worry about the consequences or what's going on right now, say that we shouldn't assimilate them because their culture is better.

00:49:13.000 Even though they were escaping it to come here, right?

00:49:16.000 Well, is it about culture, though?

00:49:18.000 I mean, and also, is it even a left wing thing?

00:49:20.000 I mean, the Koch brothers want to bring them in here.

00:49:22.000 Paul Ryan, George Bush, they want to bring them in here for cheap labor.

00:49:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:49:29.000 You know, that is an issue.

00:49:32.000 And that's where the government should intervene.

00:49:36.000 Yes, yes, we're embracing.

00:49:39.000 But that's specifically, that's not a regulatory thing.

00:49:44.000 It's, again, A matter of our own well being.

00:49:49.000 And when you have, I mean, most large Western countries do go through periods of where there's an influx in immigration, followed by you sort of got to tap it off, tapered off. 0.99

00:50:05.000 Right now, where I think we need to end all of it for a while. 0.99

00:50:09.000 Yeah.

00:50:10.000 A lot of the policies that were put in place, I think, put us in a very dangerous situation that.

00:50:10.000 Agreed.

00:50:21.000 I don't know if we'll fully be able to climb out of it or how long it will take to climb out of it, but the very last thing we should be doing is allowing hordes of new immigrants to come in. 1.00

00:50:33.000 Not only hordes of new immigrants, but specifically saying we want the shittiest immigrants in the entire world to flood our country. 1.00

00:50:42.000 Yeah, I'm in agreement with that totally. 1.00

00:50:44.000 And that's part of the problem we bring in exactly right the waste of the world.

00:50:50.000 I mean, and we look, you know, I think we disagree in a big way about. 1.00

00:50:54.000 The problem with these immigrants, I mean, you say it's culture. 1.00

00:50:57.000 To me, it's who they are. 1.00

00:50:59.000 They don't belong here.

00:51:00.000 They just simply don't.

00:51:02.000 And to me, I do want to push back on this a little bit to challenge the notion that this was ever a good idea. 0.85

00:51:09.000 We see that Somalia, Haiti, Detroit, I mean, we could take a sample across many continents and we find that people from sub Saharan Africa, they're not doing so hot. 0.99

00:51:23.000 You know, if you could show me, like, well, in this neighborhood, It's flourishing, and in this neighborhood, they're not so good. 0.99

00:51:29.000 But over here, they're kind of in the middle, but universally.

00:51:32.000 And the same is true with, I think, most people, is that there doesn't seem to be a lot of variability when you look around the world according to these different tribes.

00:51:40.000 I mean, do you think that race doesn't exist?

00:51:43.000 Do you think it's totally arbitrary and it's all culture?

00:51:46.000 Is there a balance?

00:51:47.000 Obviously, it's not arbitrary.

00:51:50.000 I do think there are more biological differences between men and women than there are between races.

00:51:58.000 Oh, yeah.

00:51:59.000 Well, in some cases, sure.

00:52:02.000 In some cases.

00:52:05.000 I mean, yeah, such being said, you know, I think for the most part, you know, IQ exists.

00:52:13.000 I've, yeah, you know, this is a touchy, a relatively touchy subject, so I'm trying to think about how to address it.

00:52:22.000 Fair. 0.69

00:52:25.000 I would say, you know, I would say if you take a young. 1.00

00:52:30.000 You need a real youngin, we'll say a one year, a half year old from Pakistan, a Pakistani boy, throw him in an Asian tiger mom household, and I bet he would achieve far better than nearly everybody in his country. 1.00

00:52:56.000 And you disagree? 0.99

00:52:57.000 And I think for that reason, yeah, regardless of race, everybody in his country.

00:53:04.000 I would think that they would achieve more, but I would think that certain variables just can't change, like IQ, for example.

00:53:12.000 So I think they would achieve higher, but I don't think you would change the fundamental difference.

00:53:18.000 But I agree with the premise that, oh, I'm not saying that culture doesn't exist, and it's all, I'm just saying it's kind of a combination.

00:53:25.000 To me, the problem is in and of itself the degradation of the homeless.

00:53:30.000 Okay, then here's another argument for you.

00:53:33.000 If you believe that every.

00:53:39.000 Every race in existence, right, has a. 0.95

00:53:44.000 We'll just simplify it.

00:53:45.000 We'll say it has a very specific IQ.

00:53:49.000 So, and we'll make up colors so I can't be quoted in a terrible way.

00:53:55.000 So, purple people have IQs of 90, orange people have IQs of 110.

00:54:06.000 Actually, wait. 1.00

00:54:07.000 Those orange people, man.

00:54:09.000 Well, you know, orange can also be, I'm sure they'll say, I mean, somebody else.

00:54:13.000 Yeah.

00:54:14.000 Purple.

00:54:16.000 I'll say green have 120, and then blue, right?

00:54:25.000 They have 140. 1.00

00:54:27.000 If you have a country that just exists of purple people, then they'll be killing themselves. 1.00

00:54:36.000 They'll be fucking goats and children, beheading people, doing drugs and shitting in the street, right? 1.00

00:54:44.000 If you have a country just of green people, they might be hammering out metal in. 1.00

00:54:51.000 Odd shapes trying to sell it. 1.00

00:54:53.000 And then just blue people, they'd be sitting around bitching about how they're marginalized on Twitter. 0.89

00:55:02.000 But when you combine the purple and the green and the blue, then you have the shitty people who can say, deliver Postmates.

00:55:13.000 And the green people who can bang out metal for the blue people who tell them what shapes to make it.

00:55:21.000 That's an interesting take. 0.63

00:55:23.000 I mean, that's.

00:55:24.000 See, see, I mean, maybe that would be okay.

00:55:28.000 I'm getting a little echoed out here.

00:55:31.000 See, see, is it.

00:55:33.000 Did you change something?

00:55:34.000 Doesn't that sound like a solid country?

00:55:35.000 No, because the problem is look, actually, if you look at any of the empirical data, ranked societies, the ones that you're describing, work better.

00:55:46.000 If there's diversity and there's ranking, they tend to be more stable.

00:55:51.000 But the problem becomes when they're not ranked and everyone's told, no, actually, you're all equal.

00:55:55.000 You can all be astronauts. 0.60

00:55:57.000 Well, then what you get is conflict because the purple people, or who is at the bottom is the purple. 0.99

00:56:03.000 They'll be like, well, we're stuck. 1.00

00:56:05.000 We can never be successful.

00:56:07.000 And so there'll be a lot of resentment.

00:56:10.000 And the people at the top will feel bad.

00:56:12.000 And then there's color more.

00:56:13.000 This again, this comes down to the media. 1.00

00:56:16.000 People, listen, there are low IQ blacks and whites and. 1.00

00:56:22.000 I haven't really met a low IQ Asian, to be honest, but I'm sure they, I also have it, you know, they're one of the tiniest groups of people here. 1.00

00:56:33.000 Maybe I will one day. 1.00

00:56:35.000 I haven't even actually seen a Down syndrome Asian before. 1.00

00:56:38.000 Maybe they take care of that back over there. 1.00

00:56:40.000 No vaccines. 0.98

00:56:42.000 But yeah, what I will say is there's this push in America right now that even if you're a complete dipshit, You should be making $150K a year and being in control of a number of different things. 0.95

00:57:01.000 And that is being pushed by leftist narratives and the mainstream media. 0.83

00:57:08.000 Would you agree with that?

00:57:11.000 That everybody should be free healthcare, free roads, free whatever else you want, regardless of skill, regardless of intellect.

00:57:25.000 And that sits okay for you?

00:57:28.000 Well, to me, that's not really the problem.

00:57:31.000 To me, the problem is not even this idea that, well, conflict between groups of people comes from the fact that there's an asymmetry between expectation and reality.

00:57:42.000 The problem is that these groups identify with themselves, and that's intrinsic to them.

00:57:48.000 And when they're competing in the same borders for the same resources, they see it not as a competition between individuals, but between groups.

00:57:56.000 And so perhaps white people, because they're, or the green people, because they're altruistic and they don't have an in group preference, they can more easily see, well, if this person is doing better than me, well, good on him.

00:58:07.000 He's smarter than me.

00:58:08.000 But when other groups say it's because of their race, these groups, and that group has more of this and that, and then there's conflict, that breeds instability.

00:58:18.000 It breeds a low trust society, which destroys communities.

00:58:23.000 And to me, it's the homogeneity in and of itself, which is worth preserving because then you get high trust, stability.

00:58:29.000 You don't have to have in group preference.

00:58:31.000 I will say, not to buy into some of the stuff that you not so subtly hint at, but one of the things that I say to, I actually. 0.96

00:58:42.000 Infuriated a black girl who was over my apartment a couple weeks ago.

00:58:50.000 She was talking about what was it? 1.00

00:58:54.000 All these, what are some of these stupid buzzwords? 1.00

00:58:57.000 Privilege, right? 1.00

00:58:59.000 White privilege.

00:59:00.000 And what's another one?

00:59:03.000 Yeah, you know, there are all these words under the general framework of intersectionality and how certain groups are just purely kept down.

00:59:13.000 Right.

00:59:13.000 And I pointed out to her that.

00:59:17.000 That whole, actually half of it, and I forget the other woman's name, but half of these terms, even intersectionality and privilege and the way they're used, were created by white Jewish women. 0.85

00:59:34.000 And then appropriated by these black professors to basically say, oh, listen, the reason you're not achieving is because of this nonsensical framework where there's this ether. 0.79

00:59:49.000 Holding you down, but you have every right to be Zuckerberg yourself. 0.99

00:59:56.000 I mean, I think that points out some of the insanity of the entire thing.

01:00:01.000 I really don't think that it's in these invariant ways, like, okay, you can't say it's in the nature of black people to feel oppressed by white people and demand that they're paid a billion dollars.

01:00:15.000 Whereas white people, they don't say, that's sort of what you said, that white people will sit back and say, oh, well, you know.

01:00:21.000 I understand Mark Zuckerberg.

01:00:23.000 He did this out of his dorm room.

01:00:25.000 He's where he is for a reason. 0.99

01:00:27.000 He's a prick, but whatever. 0.99

01:00:28.000 Say it again. 0.97

01:00:32.000 Well, I mean, there are genetic differences in terms of how we see groups.

01:00:36.000 Historically, whites have not had a strong in group preference, they have been more altruistic as opposed to other groups.

01:00:44.000 And the fundamental problem I'm trying to get at here is not, I mean, forget about the United States, for example, which has an historical legacy and cultural effects and everything else. 0.64

01:00:55.000 Just take it in the abstract.

01:00:57.000 Like, let's say I live in my house with my family and I open my doors and say, okay, people can come in and live here with me.

01:01:06.000 Well, if I see all the guests as, well, they're just other, they're extended family.

01:01:12.000 Well, I'm not going to be, if they're, you know, rummaging around in the fridge and taking food, I'm like, oh, stop rummaging around in the fridge, you know, Darnell, you know, you're taking all the food, or Joe, whoever, you know, hey, you're taking all these resources.

01:01:25.000 You as an individual should be held responsible.

01:01:27.000 You know, it's really great that Bob is doing so great in his work.

01:01:30.000 Well, what happens if the people that are coming into the house, families, say, Well, it's not really about me.

01:01:36.000 It's about my family versus your family.

01:01:39.000 And then two families come into the same house and they start fighting each other because they're like, You know, this family's always doing this and we can't live like this anymore.

01:01:47.000 We have to fight them.

01:01:48.000 That's the problem.

01:01:50.000 But you know, that happened in that, was it a quiet place?

01:01:54.000 That happened in one horror movie.

01:01:56.000 But the point is, and it's empirically true. 1.00

01:01:59.000 That when there is ethnic diversity, the country becomes less stable. 1.00

01:02:04.000 It always is the case. 1.00

01:02:05.000 Social trust, even within in groups, goes down.

01:02:08.000 They found that even among groups that are like each other, they trust each other less when there is more diversity around them.

01:02:16.000 That's the effect that it has.

01:02:17.000 Even, and this is all Robert Putnam.

01:02:20.000 He showed that in North Dakota.

01:02:21.000 There's a natural, listen, Nick.

01:02:23.000 I mean, I think that's silly, but you're, I think it's true, but you're taking it to crazy places.

01:02:28.000 Like there's, if you, a kindergarten classroom, if two kids, Regardless of race, they are wearing the same colored shirt.

01:02:41.000 They'll flock to each other and say, Oh my God, red shirt.

01:02:46.000 Incredible. 1.00

01:02:47.000 Yeah, but kids are dumb. 0.99

01:02:49.000 You're my best friend for the year. 0.99

01:02:51.000 I mean, obviously, we're going to find comfort in familiarity.

01:02:55.000 I mean, but to say that, yeah, all the purple shirts and the blue shirts and the green shirts should be isolated, I think is silly. 1.00

01:03:09.000 And just not even thinking about race, but thinking about IQ, because they're stupid fucking white people. 1.00

01:03:17.000 There are very intelligent black people. 1.00

01:03:21.000 Asians just, for the most part, all seem smart, but nobody really wants to have sex with them. 1.00

01:03:32.000 I mean, that's just sort of the environment we're living in. 1.00

01:03:36.000 And we need various people to perform various tasks.

01:03:41.000 Well, but okay, I mean, this is textbook. 0.99

01:03:44.000 What's happening here is you see the low IQ immigration as not a problem because, well, they will just fulfill the labor. 0.95

01:03:53.000 They will just work. 0.99

01:03:55.000 And that, see, to me, that's more cruel.

01:03:58.000 I think it's better that you have a level playing field within a society where there's trust and there's traditions and all the rest, and they can rise and fall within their own country as opposed to coming here and messing with our thing.

01:04:10.000 We had a Pretty good thing going, and now people are messing it all up.

01:04:15.000 And when do you think America was led astray?

01:04:17.000 When did we actually?

01:04:19.000 1965, the Hart Cellar Act.

01:04:23.000 And why?

01:04:24.000 Because the Hart Cellar Act allowed that there were no quotas on immigration, it introduced chain migration, all kinds of horrible things.

01:04:32.000 That was introduced by Kennedy, right?

01:04:35.000 Well, he was a big proponent of it in the Senate.

01:04:39.000 By President Kennedy, Senator Kennedy.

01:04:41.000 I feel like, yeah, Senator Kennedy.

01:04:44.000 Yeah, well, so it was the Hart Seller Act by the senators Hart and Seller.

01:04:48.000 They put it forward, and you saw that from 65 onward.

01:04:52.000 Yeah.

01:04:55.000 Okay, wait a second.

01:04:56.000 Okay, I actually, what's funny is the Immigration and Nationality Act of 65.

01:05:05.000 Okay, Hart Seller.

01:05:07.000 Yeah, in 65. 0.63

01:05:09.000 That was the Kennedy one.

01:05:10.000 No, it wasn't the Kennedy one.

01:05:12.000 No, no. 0.51

01:05:13.000 The Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act. 0.93

01:05:17.000 Was the shittiest one.

01:05:19.000 No, this look. 0.87

01:05:22.000 If you look at the 65 Immigration Act and what the provisions of it actually are, this is what gave birth to family based chain migration.

01:05:31.000 And this is how we got.

01:05:32.000 And you can look at the figures.

01:05:34.000 From 65 onward, the composition of immigration changed from nearly 80% European to 50% Hispanic in short order.

01:05:43.000 And every year, the number of immigrants goes up.

01:05:45.000 And what these people are, it's not like there's anything wrong with these people. 1.00

01:05:48.000 The problem is that.

01:05:50.000 They come in here and they erode the coherence of the nation.

01:05:54.000 Yeah, you're right.

01:05:55.000 Okay, you got me on that one.

01:05:57.000 Yeah.

01:05:58.000 And that's the problem.

01:05:59.000 We're not saying we don't like these people.

01:06:01.000 I fully agree with you there.

01:06:03.000 Wasn't this supposed to be, if I remember this correct?

01:06:08.000 Okay, tell me if I'm wrong here.

01:06:11.000 Prove me wrong.

01:06:11.000 I easily could be wrong.

01:06:13.000 So, this was the thing that was it supposed to be temporary?

01:06:17.000 Was this another bill that was supposed to be temporary?

01:06:20.000 I have a vague.

01:06:22.000 No, no.

01:06:23.000 Hart Seller was intended to not change.

01:06:27.000 I mean, like the deceptiveness of it was that Ted Kennedy said this won't increase immigration and it won't change the kind of immigrants coming here.

01:06:34.000 But it's a pitch ban for it.

01:06:36.000 Right, yeah, but it did the opposite.

01:06:37.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:06:39.000 Who he also what he drowned that woman.

01:06:42.000 That's right, that's right.

01:06:44.000 Real winners, fantastic guy, right?

01:06:46.000 Um, so okay, yeah, yeah, so yeah, it started off as immigration and nationality act.

01:06:53.000 Um, you can bring if you immigrate here, you can bring your parents, or if your parents immigrate here, they can bring you, right?

01:06:58.000 Right, right, the general premise, and now we have, um, by way of the same bill, uh, distant aunts and fifth cousins, and uh.

01:07:10.000 Entire villages and towns moving to America.

01:07:16.000 Right.

01:07:17.000 So that was, again, the government acting, right?

01:07:20.000 And they're saying, oh, just very close relationships.

01:07:24.000 You need to be close to your family.

01:07:26.000 They liberalized immigration.

01:07:27.000 And then the government saying, the leftists in the government saying, oh, let's broaden this.

01:07:33.000 Now that it's a bill, let's make it bigger.

01:07:37.000 What?

01:07:38.000 So you're saying that liberalizing immigration is an expansion of government? 0.94

01:07:42.000 They're saying we're going to bring in.

01:07:44.000 That we're going to get rid of the national origins quota and reduce the amount of control over half the process.

01:07:50.000 You're saying that's an expansion of big government?

01:07:52.000 I think that's government overreach.

01:07:53.000 I think if the original bill was close familial relations, right?

01:07:58.000 And national origins quotas. 0.84

01:08:00.000 Say it again. 1.00

01:08:01.000 And national origins quotas, saying we don't want people from the third world. 1.00

01:08:08.000 And say, so wait, you're saying, wait, repeat that. 0.96

01:08:11.000 I'm sorry, I missed it.

01:08:12.000 So in national origins quotas that were introduced in the 20s and they had immigration laws like this in the 40s, they said, We're going to restrict the amount of people from Latin America, from Africa, from Asia. 0.80

01:08:22.000 We're going to let in Europeans.

01:08:23.000 And we got rid of the national origins quotas.

01:08:26.000 And so, how could you say that getting rid of a directed, controlled immigration system in favor of a laissez faire, liberal immigration system is expansionist?

01:08:36.000 Why did they do that, Nick?

01:08:38.000 Okay, so if this was the original, the purported purpose, right, of the Immigration Nationality Act was to bring in very close familial relations.

01:08:50.000 Which was then expanded and expanded by the government.

01:08:53.000 The reason they, it wasn't them relinquishing control, they had full control over what they were doing.

01:09:01.000 They were trying to pull those people in for the votes.

01:09:05.000 You disagree with that?

01:09:06.000 No, I just don't see how that's an expansion of government power.

01:09:09.000 I don't, it's not like they took on more.

01:09:11.000 If anything, they regulated the process less.

01:09:14.000 They said, we're going to direct, they said, well, the state should not determine the, because it's not like, again, Why did it turn into Hispanic immigration?

01:09:22.000 It's not because they were deliberately importing Hispanics.

01:09:25.000 It's because Hispanics are across the border.

01:09:27.000 And so, therefore, it made it a lot easier for them to come here than anybody else. 0.86

01:09:31.000 But to say that, again, then this is the same argument Adam Kokish made in our debate that liberalizing trade was an expansion of government.

01:09:40.000 It was a government.

01:09:41.000 I mean, at this point, you have to acknowledge that that's kind of a very technical thing to say and not true, right?

01:09:51.000 If they're opening up immigration, if they're saying we will no longer decide.

01:09:54.000 Now I tell you something that's not true.

01:09:58.000 It's not true.

01:09:59.000 It's not true.

01:10:00.000 And the point that you made is you said, well, when did America stop being great?

01:10:05.000 Or when was it good?

01:10:07.000 When should we return to?

01:10:08.000 The point being is, I have Mexican heritage.

01:10:12.000 And people are like, oh, he hates Mexicans, but he is one. 0.96

01:10:14.000 No, you have the wrong premise. 0.99

01:10:16.000 I don't dislike these people.

01:10:18.000 I don't think they're bad.

01:10:19.000 I don't think they're worse.

01:10:21.000 I think we're all equal before God.

01:10:22.000 I really do. 1.00

01:10:23.000 But I think that when you introduce people who are different into the country, this is empirically true. 1.00

01:10:30.000 They make the society worse. 1.00

01:10:31.000 They erode social trust.

01:10:33.000 They create instability.

01:10:35.000 They cause conflict.

01:10:37.000 You know what?

01:10:40.000 I relatively agree with that.

01:10:42.000 If you fully open up the floodgates, which America has, Germany has, a number of other countries, England, not just London, England itself has.

01:10:56.000 Yeah, I mean, if you have it, we'll use my little kindergartner example again.

01:11:01.000 You have a group of friends, five friends.

01:11:04.000 You can occasionally trickle in a new person to that class or that group. 0.53

01:11:09.000 But if you say, okay, Somalia, any child you have can join this class, and all of a sudden it's 50 50, this original group, and then Somalians, then you're going to have these sort of segregated cultures within that same classroom. 0.97

01:11:26.000 So I agree with that, but I absolutely wouldn't say, from now till the end of time, let's end immigration. 0.99

01:11:38.000 Let's regulate it. 1.00

01:11:40.000 Well, I will say, let's regulate it better.

01:11:43.000 Let's do better with it rather than having certain people in our government say, who are the shittiest people we can bring in who will vote for us, maybe.

01:11:55.000 Have them say, who will add to this country, who is already ideally partially assimilated to Western culture and Western society and won't cause a problem.

01:12:08.000 We shouldn't be having to.

01:12:10.000 What, assemble entire task force, task forces in various states to hunt down gang members that were imported from the South, many of whom have paperwork.

01:12:25.000 They're not all illegal, right?

01:12:27.000 Right.

01:12:30.000 It's insane.

01:12:33.000 It's a problem.

01:12:34.000 I just, I don't think, I think you're reaching an extremist.

01:12:39.000 Well, why do you have to let in anybody?

01:12:41.000 Why do you have to let in anybody?

01:12:42.000 You're like, you're like, You know, I for whatever reason today, I'm running on little kid examples. 1.00

01:12:49.000 Uh, but um, yeah, you're like the little kid who had a piece of uh very dark chocolate ones, you took a bite and you spit it out.

01:13:00.000 You said, This tastes bitter, I don't like chocolate. 0.80

01:13:04.000 No, I just see a country like Japan, which has no immigration basically forever, and they're tiny country, Nick. 0.99

01:13:14.000 You're talking about tiny, why do we have to bring in immigrants because we're a bigger country? 0.99

01:13:18.000 How does that change it? 1.00

01:13:19.000 Anything.

01:13:20.000 They barely let in immigrants in China.

01:13:23.000 I mean, Poland's thriving.

01:13:26.000 Hungary, Poland. 1.00

01:13:27.000 We don't need them. 1.00

01:13:28.000 Why do we need them?

01:13:30.000 And you know, I'm a little bit more than half Polish.

01:13:37.000 No, I love it.

01:13:39.000 I love it.

01:13:40.000 My people are safe.

01:13:41.000 They're not importing terrorists and gangs.

01:13:43.000 Yeah, that's wonderful.

01:13:45.000 But it's a tiny country and it's a very cute vacation spot.

01:13:50.000 You can't do that.

01:13:51.000 That's their home.

01:13:52.000 It's our home. 0.83

01:13:55.000 America is our home. 0.94

01:13:56.000 We don't want to bring in people who are going to make it even marginally worse.

01:14:00.000 I mean, why is it that a small country gets a home and gets communities?

01:14:05.000 It's, I guess, well, luck.

01:14:09.000 I guess I will extend a little bit of agreeableness because I've been trying to work on that.

01:14:15.000 I'm a very disagreeable person.

01:14:16.000 I took the test, I scored in the zeroth percentile for agreeableness.

01:14:20.000 And so I'm trying to work on it a little bit.

01:14:22.000 Now, I'll admit, I guess I'm an extremist.

01:14:26.000 If you think that homogeneous communities are extreme, hey. 1.00

01:14:30.000 But. 0.58

01:14:31.000 You know, they listen.

01:14:33.000 I mean, they're a ton of homogenous community, homogeneous, homogenous, right?

01:14:40.000 No, it's the reverse.

01:14:41.000 They're different words, but homogeneous is correct in the context of demographics.

01:14:46.000 Well, this is like solutions.

01:14:46.000 Okay.

01:14:50.000 Well, wow, Nick, you're you may be teaching me things, but I still don't know if that's correct, or maybe everybody except for you has mispronounced it.

01:15:01.000 With me and to me.

01:15:03.000 A lot, it's a common misconception.

01:15:06.000 I got corrected on it by my friend.

01:15:09.000 Listen, I mean, you've gone, where did you grow up?

01:15:12.000 I grew up in, yeah, suburbs of Chicago.

01:15:16.000 Okay.

01:15:17.000 Suburbs of Chicago, you went to private or public?

01:15:21.000 Public.

01:15:23.000 Okay.

01:15:24.000 Who did you go to school with? 0.89

01:15:25.000 You went to, I assume, the Hispanics.

01:15:29.000 A lot of Hispanics in Chicago. 0.78

01:15:30.000 No one.

01:15:32.000 In my suburb, it was almost like 98% white.

01:15:36.000 And a few sprinklings of pepper.

01:15:38.000 Oh, sure, sure.

01:15:39.000 Right.

01:15:40.000 Okay.

01:15:41.000 So, those black kids who you went to school with, they lived in the same suburb, right?

01:15:47.000 Oh, yeah.

01:15:48.000 Did you feel unsafe because those kids are there? 1.00

01:15:51.000 Did you feel, okay, you're a dipshit because you're black? 1.00

01:15:54.000 No, that's a little bit of a straw man. 1.00

01:15:57.000 One of them was my best friends, actually, in first grade.

01:16:00.000 One of my best friends was one of the only black kids in the class. 0.92

01:16:03.000 However, yeah.

01:16:04.000 And you know what?

01:16:05.000 Say it with me. 1.00

01:16:06.000 We also had a Peppering of other races at the private schools I went to. 1.00

01:16:13.000 We all got along fine. 1.00

01:16:15.000 It was a beautiful community.

01:16:18.000 I will say it wasn't until I went to a school with busing organized by the government because they said these people from the ghetto, they're only in the ghetto because they're not really going to school in the suburbs.

01:16:32.000 So I did two years of high school, or no, a year and a half of high school at a public school. 0.65

01:16:38.000 And all of a sudden, we have these kids bust in from the ghetto. 0.92

01:16:42.000 Largely black, a few, I will say, in that case, a few peppered whites. 1.00

01:16:46.000 All of the kids were shit. 1.00

01:16:48.000 Shit human beings. 1.00

01:16:51.000 No sense of social interaction or, I mean, they'd be screaming honky at the white people, pushing white people up against lockers. 1.00

01:17:01.000 You're like, wow, this is our first time.

01:17:03.000 This is an interesting experience, this assimilation.

01:17:11.000 So that is sort of what's going on right now, I will say, in terms of our immigration. 0.59

01:17:16.000 We're bussing people in from the ghetto. 0.62

01:17:18.000 But if just a few people, again, a little peppering, a few people came in and didn't feel like they could glob onto each other and maintain a backward or sort of backwards ideas, then that would have gone, I think that experiment would have gone better.

01:17:40.000 Well, here's the thing.

01:17:40.000 Right?

01:17:42.000 If you take the high IQ people from the ghetto and bust them in. 0.98

01:17:45.000 But why even bother with. 0.96

01:17:48.000 I mean, we have to do these analogies, but I mean, let's just look at it.

01:17:52.000 Why do we need anybody in?

01:17:54.000 One, two, three.

01:17:56.000 I mean, you've already agreed that opening the floodgates is bad.

01:18:00.000 A lot is better, but still bad.

01:18:03.000 The little is better.

01:18:05.000 Listen, we imported Einstein.

01:18:08.000 Oh, here we go.

01:18:11.000 Oh, we imported Einstein.

01:18:12.000 So I think that was a very special consideration.

01:18:15.000 Well, maybe we'll give an exception to Einstein.

01:18:17.000 Maybe we'll give an exception.

01:18:19.000 And I don't know.

01:18:20.000 I mean, we could look at the theory of relativity.

01:18:22.000 That's had some not so good effects on the physiognomy of our civilization.

01:18:26.000 But, I mean, maybe Tom Sowell, you know, if he.

01:18:30.000 Climbs his way out of, you know, I wouldn't bring him in.

01:18:33.000 I wouldn't be having this conversation if my grandfather didn't immigrate here in, what was it, the late 40s or early 50s? 1.00

01:18:43.000 Where did he immigrate from?

01:18:44.000 Africa? 0.98

01:18:47.000 Oh, Poland. 1.00

01:18:48.000 Okay.

01:18:49.000 Well, actually, technically, London.

01:18:52.000 Well, but that's the thing. 1.00

01:18:53.000 All immigrants are not equal because they're not the same.

01:18:57.000 It's simply, and it's not because Europeans are better.

01:19:00.000 I don't believe that.

01:19:04.000 But America was founded as a European descended country.

01:19:09.000 And therefore, you bring in Europeans, they will be able to assimilate into a European descended country. 0.87

01:19:14.000 I don't believe that other groups can. 0.97

01:19:16.000 And you see it today. 0.99

01:19:17.000 Africans have been on this continent for 500 years, and they're now reversing the assimilation that they under. 0.90

01:19:26.000 If there ever was assimilation, they are now reverting back to tribalism.

01:19:31.000 And people say, well, we just have to fight back against that.

01:19:35.000 Because it's evacuated by the media neck.

01:19:38.000 Oh, it's just that.

01:19:39.000 You don't think the media has a major hand in this?

01:19:42.000 You don't think that people want to assimilate and want to do.

01:19:46.000 Want to work within sort of Western civilization and Western culture if the media weren't encouraging them not to?

01:19:46.000 They don't.

01:19:53.000 So do they just have no agency?

01:19:55.000 The media just controls them?

01:19:57.000 I mean, that's kind of.

01:19:58.000 I think for the same reason that I think you have a slightly angry white boy mentality because the media every day, you wake up and you.

01:20:06.000 Again, not to bring this up, but you're younger than me. 0.99

01:20:09.000 So you go onto BuzzFeed and Huffington Post or just see those stories and they say, you suck because you're a white person. 1.00

01:20:16.000 And I think a lot of people see that shit and it pisses them off and it does breed sort of that general frustration. 1.00

01:20:26.000 It's like, okay, well, you know what? 1.00

01:20:28.000 If I suck because I'm a white person, then maybe I just want to hang out with a bunch of sucky white people. 1.00

01:20:35.000 Like, I think that's a. 1.00

01:20:38.000 I don't know.

01:20:39.000 I didn't.

01:20:40.000 A quite honestly understandable viewpoint.

01:20:43.000 But again, it's bred by what I've seen culture and the media push.

01:20:49.000 I don't think it's a rational.

01:20:53.000 I see you biting your lips here.

01:20:55.000 Yeah, because I know you disagree.

01:20:59.000 You're in here.

01:21:01.000 Or maybe you're turned on by this confrontation.

01:21:04.000 Oh, yeah.

01:21:07.000 Well, it's just, I don't understand.

01:21:10.000 Like, what's the missing piece of the puzzle here?

01:21:14.000 The data sets that different people living together, even within races, even between Nords and Swedes, lower social trust, creates instability. 0.75

01:21:24.000 And so, to me, it's like if it makes life marginally worse, why would we bring in a single person? 0.96

01:21:32.000 And you say, well, it's not that bad.

01:21:34.000 It's mitigated if they're in small doses, or, you know, this kind of like suggesting.

01:21:40.000 Tell you what, I agree with that.

01:21:42.000 Let's both agree that after we've brought in such an influx of shitty people, the equivalent of like people from the ghetto, let's only bring in good people.

01:21:53.000 Well, yeah, let's no, let's just bring in people that are gonna not rock the boat, which is to say, bring in people. 0.97

01:21:59.000 No, I don't want, I don't want, I don't even want shitty, boring people who don't do anything.

01:22:04.000 Boring, uh, this is what we're at a solid people who do say, uh, who come here, I want to work for Uber. 0.95

01:22:12.000 We don't need any of those.

01:22:14.000 Um, we need high IQ people or, or, uh, we need doctors and scientists and people in tech who will lower social trust. 1.00

01:22:21.000 All the Asians who come to here for school on scholarship, then go back to China. 1.00

01:22:27.000 We need them back here, or they shouldn't be allowed to keep going to school here. 1.00

01:22:30.000 Why do we want them here, though?

01:22:32.000 Why do we let them come here?

01:22:35.000 Because visit, and then they got to go home.

01:22:38.000 They're hijacking our education. 1.00

01:22:41.000 Let them get an education.

01:22:42.000 Look, if you want to help other people, by all means, let them come here, pay.

01:22:46.000 They can be tourists, but then get the hell out and make your own country great so we don't have to keep bringing them in here.

01:22:51.000 I just, why?

01:22:53.000 It doesn't make sense.

01:22:54.000 Even if they're high IQ, they still lower social trust.

01:22:58.000 They still are different.

01:23:00.000 They still.

01:23:01.000 Are going to decrease that homogeneity.

01:23:04.000 Why can't everyone just stay where they are? 0.52

01:23:06.000 Why do they have to come here?

01:23:07.000 Why is that a given?

01:23:08.000 Why is it that we have to bend over backwards to find ways for people to come here? 0.92

01:23:12.000 Can't they just stay out? 0.98

01:23:13.000 We've got a great country, and it was not broken, and we tried to fix it.

01:23:20.000 I obviously totally disagree with this. 1.00

01:23:23.000 As somebody who's dated two mulattoes, I very much disagree. 0.99

01:23:29.000 Actually, well, one and a half mulattoes, one was only a quarter.

01:23:35.000 I really disagree with this.

01:23:38.000 Yeah, what?

01:23:39.000 We will immigrate just based on race?

01:23:41.000 That's sort of what you're suggesting? 0.98

01:23:43.000 Yeah, national origins quotas.

01:23:46.000 I mean, we'd have merit as well.

01:23:46.000 And also merit.

01:23:48.000 At this point, we should. 1.00

01:23:49.000 But I mean, bringing in people from Sub Saharan Africa, I look at the whole of Sub Saharan Africa and I say, no, thank you. 1.00

01:23:57.000 Why? 1.00

01:23:58.000 Why?

01:23:59.000 We look at it.

01:24:00.000 Can we find one success story from Cape Town to.

01:24:04.000 What would be in Nairobi? 0.73

01:24:07.000 Or is that Kenya?

01:24:09.000 There's not one success story where I could point to and say, oh, give me that. 0.99

01:24:13.000 Bring some of that over here.

01:24:15.000 And the same is true from the south of Chile all the way up to Durango.

01:24:22.000 I say, yeah, we've got enough.

01:24:25.000 We've got enough of what's going on there.

01:24:28.000 Let's just hold, let's have a holding position and just, you know, work with what we got.

01:24:35.000 But anymore, Just why?

01:24:37.000 Why do we have to bring in more people, Lucian?

01:24:39.000 What are they going to give to us?

01:24:41.000 People in general?

01:24:43.000 Listen, I'm saying regardless of race, as long as they're high IQ, I have a problem with the low IQ people being brought in, which I think is a message that has been relatively echoed by our president.

01:25:00.000 I am shocked.

01:25:01.000 Let's shift gears for a second because I feel like we're going back and forth now.

01:25:04.000 Part of it, I'll just say, aside from his initial, you know, I also had a long day.

01:25:18.000 I went to a lumber warehouse. 0.99

01:25:20.000 I swear to God, I'm the only faggot who does his own renovations. 1.00

01:25:24.000 I bought a jigsaw, a multi tool, and a circular saw this week. 0.99

01:25:31.000 Very good.

01:25:32.000 I built a bed.

01:25:33.000 Crash?

01:25:33.000 And then I also built cabinetry.

01:25:36.000 Huh.

01:25:37.000 I'm a Renaissance man.

01:25:41.000 You like that?

01:25:42.000 I do.

01:25:43.000 I do like that.

01:25:45.000 I should be able to go to any country, right?

01:25:47.000 Well, I'm saying that to these other people.

01:25:50.000 And then while I'm reporting and working, as long as we're just moving around and, you know, that's, yeah, no, I think that's true. 0.74

01:26:02.000 Transnational.

01:26:03.000 You know, that's the life.

01:26:05.000 I find endless enjoyment.

01:26:09.000 And that is one of the reasons I love Trump, to be honest.

01:26:12.000 Aside from his initial outline, which he really didn't, what do you call that?

01:26:17.000 Proposal?

01:26:19.000 Pitch.

01:26:20.000 Right.

01:26:20.000 Do you remember the policy papers he laid out when he was running?

01:26:25.000 Which one?

01:26:27.000 The platform, I guess, platform, his platform.

01:26:29.000 Oh, yeah, sure.

01:26:30.000 Yeah.

01:26:30.000 The party.

01:26:31.000 So did you read that?

01:26:33.000 No, not the whole thing.

01:26:34.000 I know there's some weird stuff in there.

01:26:36.000 I read the whole thing.

01:26:38.000 I highlighted all the stuff I loved.

01:26:41.000 I remember this because finally he was more or less the only candidate when we got down to shoot.

01:26:50.000 Maybe around March, I was like, you know what?

01:26:53.000 I'm full blown Trump right now.

01:26:54.000 Right.

01:26:55.000 And I obviously, whenever he released that, I went through the platform.

01:27:03.000 I realized that I agreed with a good 90% of it.

01:27:12.000 And, you know, that's when I, and then, you know, the tweets, his tweets.

01:27:18.000 Yeah.

01:27:18.000 Massive bonus.

01:27:19.000 So he called, he was that shitty. 0.97

01:27:22.000 Basketball player, which one the one on the apprentice? 0.98

01:27:27.000 Well, no, I guess this is still a race.

01:27:29.000 We should move on from LeBron James, LeBron James. 1.00

01:27:32.000 So it's like, yeah, LeBron James is a dipshit. 1.00

01:27:36.000 Yeah, um, interviewed by Don Lemon, another dipshit. 1.00

01:27:39.000 I like Mike. 0.98

01:27:41.000 No, that was I mean, I love this, right?

01:27:44.000 He's so fun.

01:27:45.000 That's why I got on the Trump train initially, was because I didn't even agree with him that much.

01:27:50.000 But then I started, I saw the media just get he would just keep winning all the primaries.

01:27:55.000 And every time the media would be like, oh, yeah, here we go again.

01:27:59.000 And at a certain point, I was like, I love him.

01:28:01.000 I just, I love that he wins and he makes the people that I hate mad.

01:28:06.000 So that's what brought me over.

01:28:08.000 Well, we, oh, yeah, I mean, that continuously.

01:28:13.000 What's what manifested from those tweets were what everybody calling Trump racist.

01:28:22.000 Right?

01:28:24.000 Isn't that, isn't that kind of amazing when you can have. 1.00

01:28:31.000 A newly recruited editor for the New York Times saying, kill white people. 1.00

01:28:36.000 Trump calls two people stupid, who, you know, he's called so many people stupid. 1.00

01:28:42.000 And the worst insults was still, I mean, I sort of fell in love with Trump during the Rosie O'Donnell feud. 1.00

01:28:50.000 He called her a fat pig and a number of other things, and he won.

01:28:54.000 It was an incredible, it was one of my favorite celebrity feuds. 0.96

01:29:01.000 You know, it's just, I want to take a pee break.

01:29:03.000 So if we could maybe put up a break.

01:29:07.000 A quick break.

01:29:08.000 It's been an hour and a half.

01:29:09.000 Usually we only go an hour.

01:29:11.000 So if you got to go pee, why don't we just call it?

01:29:14.000 And I'm not like kicking you off.

01:29:16.000 Usually we only go about an hour.

01:29:18.000 So it's been.

01:29:19.000 No, well, I appreciate the extra half hour.

01:29:21.000 For sure.

01:29:22.000 Do you have any, you know, I can hold, I'll pretend this is an episode of what's that terrible Western show with robots, Westworld?

01:29:33.000 I don't watch that show.

01:29:34.000 I don't watch television.

01:29:35.000 I don't recommend it, but we'll pretend it's an episode of those.

01:29:37.000 Do you have any final thoughts?

01:29:41.000 No, I mean, I think we've laid it all out on the table there.

01:29:46.000 It's been a good conversation because normally I bring on people who basically see eye to eye on most things.

01:29:51.000 So I think it was a good conversation on the nature of the state, on immigration, and pretty natural.

01:29:57.000 So we went all over the place, which was refreshing and fun.

01:30:01.000 How about you?

01:30:01.000 Do you have any closing thoughts?

01:30:04.000 You know, I just think you're a great guy, Nick.

01:30:07.000 I think you're real cute over there.

01:30:09.000 You're a real intellectual.

01:30:11.000 Thank you.

01:30:12.000 I like the suit, I like the tie.

01:30:16.000 Your chat, though, your chat's a little aggressive.

01:30:20.000 A little bit, a little bit.

01:30:24.000 I think that I'm going to have to, I have very hurt feelings because of this chat.

01:30:29.000 I'm going to have to meditate.

01:30:32.000 I think your chat shaped my sense of self.

01:30:39.000 I don't really know who I am anymore. 0.56

01:30:40.000 They're saying die of AIDS and buy Jew. 0.89

01:30:44.000 I apologize on their behalf. 0.99

01:30:46.000 I mean, those things.

01:30:47.000 You know, Nick, those things, I have a very stone cold face.

01:30:51.000 I'm a professional, but those things hurt.

01:30:55.000 Understandably so.

01:30:58.000 But they're going to, I'm going to be, my bed's right here.

01:31:03.000 This is a studio apartment.

01:31:07.000 Well, it's very tasteful, I will say.

01:31:07.000 Very nice.

01:31:09.000 Thank you.

01:31:10.000 Well, and then there's my kitchen.

01:31:12.000 More tasteful than mine.

01:31:13.000 So I am going to be making myself a very large sandwich and crying myself to sleep tonight.

01:31:19.000 After reading some of these comments.

01:31:21.000 But very easy walk for me, too.

01:31:25.000 Only five feet.

01:31:26.000 There you go.

01:31:29.000 Well, enjoy the sandwich, big guy.

01:31:32.000 And do you have any?

01:31:33.000 Where can we find your continent things?

01:31:35.000 Give us your Twitter at where we can find your latest projects and everything.

01:31:41.000 My latest projects.

01:31:43.000 I am developing, I actually have a meeting about developing a.

01:31:49.000 A lot of this is in the works, so I don't necessarily want to pitch it.

01:31:54.000 But there is, I believe in the free market.

01:31:58.000 I think that there is a demand, a much needed demand for good conservative and right wing content, right?

01:32:06.000 You and I have talked about this a couple of days ago.

01:32:10.000 So there are multiple projects being developed right now that are being kept under the wraps because investors are involved.

01:32:22.000 Look forward to those in the next couple of months.

01:32:25.000 Speaking at an Ivy League university in the fall.

01:32:29.000 I'm not going to name the university so it doesn't get canceled before the talk happens.

01:32:33.000 Fair enough.

01:32:34.000 But that's also coming up.

01:32:36.000 Read the Gateway Pundit.

01:32:39.000 Wonderful publication, one of the best.

01:32:42.000 Very concise.

01:32:43.000 You know, there are. 1.00

01:32:45.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

01:32:46.000 You know, this girl from a socialite magazine in New York, she met me at. 0.99

01:32:55.000 Judge Janine Pirro's book signing a month ago, and she likes FaceTiming me and telling me I'm cute, which is wonderful.

01:33:04.000 But it's too frequent, far too frequent.

01:33:11.000 But yeah, you know, I don't know.

01:33:13.000 Set up Google Alerts for me.

01:33:14.000 Follow me on Twitter.

01:33:16.000 Be nice to me in your chats.

01:33:19.000 All right.

01:33:22.000 Well, it's been fun having you, big guy.

01:33:24.000 I'll let you get to the sandwich in the FaceTime.

01:33:27.000 It was great having you on.

01:33:28.000 Very fun conversation.

01:33:30.000 And thanks for doing it.

01:33:31.000 We'll have to do it again.

01:33:32.000 Nick, your chat keeps saying he needs to, he needs to, I need to keep going.

01:33:36.000 They're saying he needs to keep going.

01:33:39.000 He needs to keep the show running.

01:33:43.000 What are they saying?

01:33:44.000 Could you close some chat?

01:33:46.000 Stephanie said so nice.

01:33:48.000 He's so nice.

01:33:49.000 Say it again.

01:33:50.000 You're frozen right now on the Hangouts.

01:33:54.000 Whoops.

01:33:56.000 There we go.

01:33:57.000 All right.

01:34:02.000 Well, I got to get to questions.

01:34:03.000 Yeah, it's looking like the video is all frozen up.

01:34:06.000 Okay.

01:34:09.000 Well, take it easy, big guy.

01:34:10.000 Thanks for coming on.

01:34:11.000 All right.

01:34:14.000 All right, bye bye.

01:34:16.000 I don't know what's going on.

01:34:17.000 I think we lost some of the video towards the end.

01:34:21.000 But what a fun show, fun conversation.

01:34:25.000 Great to have him on.

01:34:26.000 You know, he's a big deal.

01:34:27.000 He's a gateway pundit and fun, New York kind of a personality.

01:34:33.000 We don't have a lot of New York kind of people on the show.

01:34:35.000 Usually we have a lot more.

01:34:37.000 It's actually kind of an international presence.

01:34:39.000 We got on an Australian, Canadians, and so.

01:34:44.000 But a good conversation.

01:34:45.000 I think very fun.

01:34:46.000 We talked about government.

01:34:47.000 We talked about immigration and good to have a little bit of a back and forth.

01:34:52.000 You know, usually it's a lot of agreement, which because most of the time people are either far to the left and they disagree so they don't want to come on or they're just a little bit to the right or rather a little bit to the left and they're on the right and they don't want to come on because of my reputation or whatever.

01:35:11.000 So it's always fun and nice for a change when you get somebody who's able to come on and have a debate, have a A little bit of a back and forth.

01:35:19.000 So we appreciate him coming on.

01:35:21.000 And we're going to get into your super chats and stream labs.

01:35:25.000 So don't go anywhere.

01:35:26.000 We'll be covering those.

01:35:29.000 And we'll see what people are saying.

01:35:31.000 We'll see how people are thinking of the show so far.

01:35:35.000 I've been seeing some very positive reactions.

01:35:37.000 People are saying, although people might not agree with Lucian totally, I think people appreciate he's being a good sport.

01:35:46.000 And there's a funny banter going on.

01:35:50.000 We've got.

01:35:50.000 So let's see.

01:35:52.000 A stream lab from Young Jack who says, This is a message for Mrs. Fuentes.

01:35:56.000 If this isn't Mrs. Fuentes, you can go ahead and turn this off.

01:36:00.000 Ma'am, I just want to say what a nice young son you've raised.

01:36:03.000 You have a lot to be proud of, and I can see where he got his good looks from.

01:36:07.000 Wow.

01:36:08.000 Well, thank you very much.

01:36:10.000 I went ahead and read it anyway.

01:36:12.000 You know, what are you going to do?

01:36:14.000 Joe the boomer says, Nick, listen, they are coming for me in the Daily Brap.

01:36:18.000 I know everyone thinks you're next on the chopping block. 0.79

01:36:21.000 But the truth is, the Daily Brap with me at the helm, Joe the Boomer, is a far larger threat to the Globo Homo agenda.

01:36:29.000 But don't worry, Nick.

01:36:31.000 I wait, who's.

01:36:32.000 And then it looks like it cut off.

01:36:35.000 Very funny.

01:36:36.000 Comical Streamlab from Joe the Boomer of the Daily Brap, which is very fun.

01:36:43.000 A very fun running gag in the Discord server.

01:36:47.000 Not annoying.

01:36:48.000 It's not annoying.

01:36:49.000 It's just funny.

01:36:51.000 Joe, please stop tagging me in your Instagram pictures.

01:36:55.000 So, I don't have to hide them.

01:36:57.000 No, I'm kidding.

01:36:58.000 He's fun.

01:36:59.000 It's actually pretty fun.

01:37:00.000 I went on the other day.

01:37:01.000 I went on.

01:37:02.000 There's a little sub community that's grown on my Discord, and now they've branched off, and now they do their own podcast called The Daily Brap.

01:37:11.000 It's fun.

01:37:12.000 I watch it sometimes.

01:37:13.000 You know, I like the live stream.

01:37:15.000 The live stream makes me feel not so alone all the time.

01:37:18.000 The problem is, I resign myself into my office to playing things, you know, Civ 5 or Fortnite, or I'm reading, and I always feel kind of alone.

01:37:27.000 I always feel kind of.

01:37:28.000 And it's not even like.

01:37:30.000 I enjoy socializing.

01:37:31.000 It's just, I feel like I should be.

01:37:34.000 You know, it's always that kind of thing where even if you prefer to be doing your own thing, it's like you feel like, oh, well, should I be?

01:37:42.000 Should I?

01:37:42.000 It wouldn't be better if I were out and about.

01:37:45.000 But when I have the live stream going, I feel like I have the best of both worlds.

01:37:49.000 I could be doing my own thing, and I've got some banter going on.

01:37:54.000 You know, you feel like it's live, it's fun.

01:37:57.000 So I kind of like it.

01:37:59.000 It's kind of cool.

01:38:00.000 Anglo Celtic Rebel says I've been a bit busy these past few nights, so I haven't been able to watch your shows this week.

01:38:07.000 But I'm trying to make up for it by being a premium member and giving some shekels tonight.

01:38:12.000 Hashtag $1Nationalism.

01:38:15.000 Keep up the good work.

01:38:16.000 Big guy.

01:38:17.000 Well, thank you very much for the dollary dues.

01:38:20.000 Don't worry about it.

01:38:20.000 You know, watch the show.

01:38:22.000 It's on every night.

01:38:24.000 So go ahead.

01:38:24.000 Don't watch the show.

01:38:25.000 You know, I guess I'll be fine with no viewers and you'll just leave me at the mercy of the establishment.

01:38:31.000 Yeah, no, don't worry about it.

01:38:34.000 I only joke.

01:38:36.000 I'm only joking.

01:38:37.000 Travis Bickle says America belongs to the Slavs. 0.94

01:38:41.000 Submit. 0.99

01:38:41.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:38:43.000 Doubt. 1.00

01:38:44.000 If anything, America belongs to the Italians because. 1.00

01:38:47.000 The Italians discovered America. 0.97

01:38:49.000 Okay, so if there were no Italians, you wouldn't even know where you were. 1.00

01:38:53.000 Okay, all these Anglos and Nords and Celts and Slavs. 0.98

01:38:59.000 They, you know, Slavs be like, what is America? 0.95

01:39:02.000 Because there was no Amerigo Vespucci without the Italians, there was no Christopher Columbus. 1.00

01:39:08.000 So you're welcome. 1.00

01:39:10.000 You're welcome.

01:39:11.000 Peter Teft says, great guest, very persuasive.

01:39:14.000 I think Lucian had some of your viewers ready to hang up.

01:39:17.000 Their knickers.

01:39:18.000 JK, you are right, Nick.

01:39:20.000 We need 360 wins with government and business.

01:39:23.000 For example, private firm in Fargo erects a building that blocks NPR's radio signal.

01:39:29.000 There you go.

01:39:30.000 Very good.

01:39:31.000 John Shepard Smith, keep up the good work.

01:39:33.000 Thank you.

01:39:33.000 I will.

01:39:35.000 Ultra American says, have a few burgers on me.

01:39:38.000 Love and appreciate your hard work.

01:39:40.000 Never stop.

01:39:40.000 Well, thank you very much for the generous Streamlabs.

01:39:43.000 I'll have more than a few with that.

01:39:45.000 I'll take a couple of trips.

01:39:46.000 So thank you very much.

01:39:48.000 It's great to see because there have been a lot of super chats coming in since the Infowars thing.

01:39:53.000 I very much appreciate it.

01:39:54.000 I really do.

01:39:55.000 Because, you know, the show relies totally on contributions.

01:39:59.000 We don't have sponsors.

01:40:00.000 We don't sell anything.

01:40:03.000 We don't have donors.

01:40:05.000 Well, you know, I mean, it's primarily on the Streamlabs, the super chats, the premiums, and other donations.

01:40:12.000 So I really do appreciate the generosity.

01:40:16.000 Let's take a look at our super chats.

01:40:18.000 Cosmic Doggerin says, I'd like to debate Lucian 2.

01:40:22.000 But we'd have to be naked in bed also.

01:40:24.000 Okay, all right.

01:40:28.000 Can we try and restrain ourselves a little bit, please? 0.90

01:40:31.000 This is a Catholic program.

01:40:33.000 I bring him on, you know, because he's got connections.

01:40:37.000 I know I bring him on because he's fun and we like to talk about politics.

01:40:42.000 But that said, you know, we don't condone everything that goes on, which I think is fair.

01:40:48.000 That's why we're able to bring out all kinds of guests from all different walks of life, and it's okay because they're guests.

01:40:54.000 Ian Weber says, they haven't been able to watch the show live a lot this summer because I'm usually working or stopping terrorists.

01:41:01.000 I thought I'd stop by for a second to show support.

01:41:04.000 Keep up the good work, Nick.

01:41:05.000 Thank you, brother.

01:41:07.000 Much appreciated.

01:41:08.000 Dwellers says, regarding censorship, when you tape a man's mouth shut, he can now only resolve with his hands.

01:41:17.000 Love the show.

01:41:18.000 God bless.

01:41:19.000 It's true.

01:41:20.000 Take away the pen, you have the sword.

01:41:22.000 So that's what they say.

01:41:24.000 Running Wild says, Wind Chime Nationalism, 1433.

01:41:27.000 Hey.

01:41:28.000 Very good, yes.

01:41:30.000 Al Sabadi says, MTOR caveat equals buyer beware.

01:41:34.000 There you have it.

01:41:35.000 I think it's backwards, though, right?

01:41:36.000 Isn't it caveat, MTOR?

01:41:38.000 Diego Alonso says, We need a book, The Statist by Nick Fuentes.

01:41:43.000 Soon!

01:41:44.000 I'm becoming a statist.

01:41:46.000 I hear the arguments I make, and the libertarian in me from years and years ago is like, How could you say that?

01:41:46.000 I hate to say it.

01:41:54.000 But I've become grown now.

01:41:56.000 I'm no longer a high schooler.

01:41:59.000 Now I understand that you need the state, you need to have the government.

01:42:03.000 And look, we're not saying totalitarianism, we're not saying anything like that.

01:42:09.000 Simply that.

01:42:10.000 We need government to be competent.

01:42:13.000 We need men of action in charge who can make government work efficiently.

01:42:18.000 Don't worry about the size, worry about the efficiency, the competence.

01:42:22.000 You know, people, oh, we need small government.

01:42:24.000 Where are we going to shrink it?

01:42:26.000 Right?

01:42:27.000 Where are we going to shrink it?

01:42:28.000 And in what capacity?

01:42:29.000 By how many dollars?

01:42:30.000 And how do we, you know, let's just accept that we are effectively an empire.

01:42:35.000 Even within our own borders, we're an empire presiding over occupied peoples.

01:42:40.000 You think the people in the south side of Chicago want to be governed?

01:42:43.000 No, they don't.

01:42:44.000 So.

01:42:45.000 We can't have the same Republican government we had 200 years ago.

01:42:48.000 It just simply doesn't work that way.

01:42:50.000 And so we have to accept that, optimize it for what we're working with, which is a very different population, a very different system, economy, technology, all the rest, and have it work in the interest of the public good.

01:43:04.000 That's what we want.

01:43:05.000 Michael Jones says, You guys killed this.

01:43:07.000 Lucian was a good sport.

01:43:09.000 Good talk, TBH.

01:43:10.000 See, I enjoy those kinds of comments.

01:43:10.000 Hilarious show.

01:43:13.000 Positivity, that's what we like.

01:43:15.000 Billy says, here's five bucks.

01:43:17.000 Buy a Pat Little shirt to support his jaywalking.

01:43:20.000 Yes, I will get right on that.

01:43:22.000 Yes, we've got to support the Little Revolution, right?

01:43:26.000 Josh Williams says, everyone donate to Nick.

01:43:28.000 Yes, much appreciated.

01:43:31.000 See, when you say it, it's okay.

01:43:32.000 When I say it, it's e bagging, right?

01:43:35.000 And looks like that's everything.

01:43:37.000 We're going to call it tonight.

01:43:38.000 It's been an hour and 45 minutes.

01:43:40.000 You know, look, we dragged on for an hour and a half.

01:43:43.000 And it's like, sheesh, all right, already.

01:43:48.000 Hour, hour and a half.

01:43:50.000 We're at an hour and 45 now, clocking in very late.

01:43:54.000 Long nights.

01:43:54.000 I'm earning it.

01:43:55.000 You know, I'm earning the living tonight, right?

01:43:57.000 That's all right.

01:43:58.000 It was fun.

01:43:59.000 Good show.

01:44:00.000 But we're going to call it a night for now.

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01:44:58.000 We're on the air Monday through Friday, 7 p.m. Central, 8 p.m. Eastern Standard Time.

01:45:03.000 I'm Nicholas J. Fuentes.

01:45:04.000 This was America First.

01:45:05.000 We have a very big guest coming on the show on Thursday.

01:45:09.000 Ashton Witty will be joining us.

01:45:12.000 And that should be a fun one.

01:45:13.000 If you thought this one was fun, wow, we're in for a treat on Thursday.

01:45:17.000 Our good friend Ashton Witty.

01:45:19.000 You may know her as Ashton Birdie.

01:45:21.000 Very fun.

01:45:23.000 She's been having a tough time this week, but we're going to try and Help her work through some of these things and talk about the issues, news of the day. 0.54

01:45:29.000 So, should be a good show.

01:45:31.000 Friday, I won't be here, and Monday, I won't be here.

01:45:34.000 I'll be in Washington, D.C., making great deals, meeting with some important people.

01:45:39.000 Hey, you know, your fellow's moving up in the world.

01:45:41.000 Let's put it that way.

01:45:42.000 I ditched my old friends to hang out with, let's just say, cooler people.

01:45:47.000 And so I won't be here Friday and Monday, but we will have Ashton Birdie on Thursday.

01:45:52.000 I'll be here tomorrow.

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01:45:54.000 Thanks to everybody who watched the show.

01:45:56.000 Thanks to everybody who streamed Labs, Super Chatted, all our premium members, and everybody else.

01:46:02.000 Thank you, guys, and we will see you tomorrow.

01:46:04.000 Until then, have a great rest of your evening.

01:46:10.000 Americanism, not globalism, will be our credo.

01:46:17.000 It's going to be only America first.

01:46:22.000 America first. 0.99

01:46:26.000 The American people will come first once again. 0.99

America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - August 07, 2018

Embrace the State feat. Lucian Wintrich | America First Ep. 216

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