00:00:26.000Thank you so much for having me on one of the few shows that I haven't been on yet.
00:00:32.000So I was scared that you were scared that this might heat up too much.
00:00:39.000Yeah, no, well, I know there is a lot of disagreement, and I am glad to point that out because, as we were just talking about a moment ago, I think on both sides, we're going to take a little heat for this show.
00:00:51.000I know a lot of people say, Nick, how could you?
00:00:54.000This guy is a New York socialite and that kind of thing.
00:00:58.000And I know on your side, people are going to be like, how could you be on the Nazi show or whatever?
00:02:26.000You're like, well, you know, Spyros, the second they became 3D, I don't know if you remember Spyros the Dragon for the original PlayStation, that confused me too much.
00:02:38.000It's kind of funny because, you know, you're, I read about you and it's like you're one of the youngest White House press corps people and all that, but now there is a new, Generation Z, which is rising and now dissenting against the millennials.
00:02:54.000If you could, you know, the young punks.
00:02:56.000It's funny because you and like Gavin and, you know, that kind of crowd are like, you know, we're the new punk rock or anything.
00:03:03.000But then the Generation Z comes up and it's like, we're setting punk rock on fire.
00:07:36.000I know Carlton Autism is a big fan of that one online.
00:07:39.000But I want to get into the news with you to get a little topical here, if we can arrest this conversation.
00:07:47.000And get into what everybody's talking about, which is Infowars.
00:07:50.000And I want to know your take on it because my take, as basically an authoritarian, and like there's a lot of libertarian people who are like, well, in this case, we have to let the government interfere.
00:08:02.000I say, no, let the state and like glorify the state.
00:08:05.000Let the state go in there, smash these companies up, regulate the hell out of them, or nationalize them or something.
00:08:12.000What do you see as the solution to this censorship problem, which we see with Infowars?
00:08:17.000You know, I think the free market, first of all, it is terrifying.
00:08:22.000I believe the market will correct, but there are a handful.
00:08:40.000Here's the thing, though InfoWars, what are they going to do next?
00:08:44.000Gateway Pundit was basically thrown off of Facebook.
00:08:51.000We exist there, but a fraction of where we were before.
00:08:55.000Um, Breitbart, a number of day, uh, yeah, Ben Shapiro's good old daily, whatever it is, uh, whatever it's called, that seems to be doing well.
00:09:22.000Um, I mean, if nobody's reading something or looking at something, it's not going to exist for very long.
00:09:32.000That's what scares me basically that a lot of these incredible independent publications and news sources like Infowars, like Breitbart, like The Gateway Pundit are going to go under because the SJW mobs have infiltrated major tech and have directed these companies to work, I believe, against those companies' larger interests.
00:10:12.000But so I guess my question to you would be what do you see as the tech company's endgame?
00:10:17.000Because on my show, what I talk about is if you look at these transformations that have happened, not just in political media, but in Hollywood, in television, in the WWE, where they made the first ever women's pay per view, the decisions that they're making are decisions that nobody wants.
00:10:38.000Male cheerleaders now, or male dancers into their coverage or whatever, to their football games.
00:10:43.000These are changes that nobody wants, that nobody's paying to see, nobody wants, but yet they do them anyway.
00:10:49.000And you say, well, that works against their interest, which is to make money.
00:10:52.000Do you think that at the end of the day, the interest of a Mark Zuckerberg, a Jeff Bezos, or whoever is to make money, or do you think there's some kind of political agenda that's going on?
00:11:47.000I mean, can you imagine if US Steel or Pittsburgh Plate and Glass or Carnegie or Vanderbilt, if they had to deal with these social justice warriors or the, oh my God, babies?
00:12:02.000I had an ACLU Mexican run up to me today and in this broken accent yelled, Will you sign this to reunite babies with their families?
00:12:12.000It's like, first of all, this is wildly inaccurate.
00:12:16.000Second of all, I was actually picking up lumber, so I was busy.
00:13:27.000And the rationalization was that she was fighting back against the racism that she experienced on a daily basis.
00:13:35.000Asians don't experience any fucking racism in America.
00:13:40.000That is such an asinine, absurd thing to say that I think only happened maybe 10 years ago.
00:13:48.000All of a sudden, Asians who earn more than whites in America, or actually, yeah, out of all the races in America, Asians are earning the most.
00:13:57.000They're getting the best educations, going to the best schools.
00:14:01.000There's no, they're not being killed by actually at nearly the same rate as whites or blacks by police officers.
00:14:09.000A police officer sees an Asian, they walk away.
00:14:13.000They're like, oh, they're probably going to a cello lesson.
00:14:16.000And yet all of a sudden, Asians have, certain Asians have decided, oh, well, I would love to keep my high standing in society while claiming minority oppression.
00:14:29.000I'm going to sort of just steal what black people are saying and apply it to myself.
00:14:36.000It's so frustrating and it's so weird that it seems to have this support among smug white liberals.
00:14:44.000They're like, oh, yeah, maybe Asians are oppressed too.
00:14:48.000Well, and that's, I think, what underlies the entire system is the anti white, because you see that that's what's accepted all over the place.
00:15:16.000Well, at least in the mainstream, it goes away for the most part.
00:15:19.000This week, Infowars kicked off of Apple, Spotify, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTube, you name it, and they can't even point to a single violation, a single area.
00:15:30.000I mean, they've been allowed on those services.
00:15:32.000For years and years and years, and overnight they decide, oh, they have egregiously violated the terms of services, no strikes, no warnings, you're just gone.
00:15:41.000And then you really start to understand, well, what's really going on here?
00:15:46.000If open racism against white people is tolerated and there's no repercussion, but if you just have a certain political bent or maybe you bring attention to certain issues, well, you're unwelcome.
00:15:56.000I think that shows you exactly what's going on here.
00:16:00.000And then my reaction, I am a bit more of a statist.
00:16:03.000You say, let the market correct itself.
00:16:05.000My interpretation of this then is that these forces have amassed, they've consolidated, and they're in all the major institutions of power academia, Wall Street, Silicon Valley, media.
00:16:18.000I mean, you name it, they're all over the place.
00:16:20.000And they're rushing, they're racing to get control or get back control, rather, of the government so that they could use all these different levers and mechanisms to create their vision to make this happen.
00:16:34.000And to me, I see the only viable path forward as using the state.
00:16:37.000We've just got to get there quicker and use it more efficiently and faster to prevent that from happening.
00:16:42.000I mean, do you agree with that in the short term, in the long term, or not at all?
00:16:47.000Again, I mean, the major thing that scares me are these potentially great sources for news and content in America going under because of all these bans and because they're being booted off of all these platforms.
00:17:06.000In terms of the future, I mean, listen, if.
00:17:10.000InfoWars has a massive audience, right?
00:17:14.000It'll be curious to see what they go after next.
00:17:16.000And as you sort of pointed out, this all did happen in a short time span.
00:17:22.000These tech companies were obviously coordinating.
00:17:27.000Part of the reason for that probably was because they'd be losing revenue.
00:17:31.000These companies make money by free money for just hosting these programs.
00:17:38.000And they made this weird conscientious effort to kick InfoWars off.
00:17:44.000I think other companies right now are probably quite honestly courting InfoWars.
00:17:51.000And based on the traffic they bring in and the viewership they bring in, I mean, I think it's terrible that these companies have done this.
00:18:03.000And it's a complete sort of Orwellian action.
00:18:15.000Working at a publication that has been met with just a fraction of what happened in InfoWars, I'm still hesitant about the state moving in.
00:18:25.000I mean, Nick, what do you think happens after the.
00:18:28.000Okay, so say the state pushes regulation, right?
00:18:33.000And how would you see that regulation exactly?
00:18:36.000Some kind of internet bill of rights or something to that effect?
00:18:43.000So it would be regardless of what platform you run.
00:18:49.000If it involves communication, all communication needs to be allowed.
00:18:55.000Yeah, as long as it doesn't violate any laws.
00:18:58.000But I think that those regulations should be determined by the state and not arbitrarily by these companies.
00:19:27.000I used to be a libertarian for a long time, and I said the market will sort it out and all that.
00:19:33.000But then I really took a long, hard look, and I said, well, these people are ready, willing, and able to forego the money in pursuit of market domination and in pursuit of these larger political goals.
00:19:45.000I don't think that we're going to see info wars on like Hulu or Netflix anytime soon.
00:19:51.000I think that what's happening is like a gangsterization where you see there is collusion in this oligopoly market or oligopolistic market, and they're just going to force.
00:20:02.000Conservative or right wing opinion into a ghetto, and gradually that ghetto will get bigger and bigger.
00:20:06.000It started with like just the stuff that we all agree is not good, like the KKK or the neo Nazis, and then it was like edgy alt right stuff, like Daily Stormer and alt right.com, and now it's Infowars, and then maybe tomorrow it's Breitbart and Gateway Pundit.
00:20:23.000I don't know how far it goes to the right, but I have a strong feeling that the market incentives are not working here because there really isn't competition possible.
00:20:32.000If I wanted to start, like, I'm gonna start the alternative to Twitter.
00:20:38.000You know, if I wanted to start the alternative to a major ISP, a major hosting or domain company or a payment processor, it's like good luck jumping through all the regulatory hurdles and getting the funding.
00:21:46.000So, I mean, you could argue imagine if ATT had a voice recognition set up for certain conversations.
00:21:53.000If somebody said, I like President Trump, or I don't know, any number of fucking things, or even said the faggot or the N word or anything like that, and ATT just ended the call.
00:22:18.000So, you could look at what's going on here with the major tech companies like that and say, absolutely, the government should step in.
00:22:29.000What I would want to see if the government stepped in was a bill that did not allow the government to increase its control of the tech industry.
00:22:42.000Because, say, in a couple of years or after another presidential term, after Trump wins again, Then we have a Democrat in power, right?
00:22:53.000And all of a sudden they use the control that the government now has in the tech industry to just churn out their message.
00:23:01.000And then we do go, not only, yeah, it would be full propaganda and pandemonium.
00:23:10.000Well, I mean, my problem with that argument, because that used to be my argument for a long time, which is, well, if we build up excessive regulations, well, that'll be fine when a guy who we like is in power, but when a guy who we don't like comes into power, well, then it's going to be really bad for us.
00:23:26.000I think there has to be a certain resignation to the fact that this is the way that politics operates now.
00:23:31.000I mean, we effectively let Democrats do this whenever they get in power anyway.
00:23:41.000And when Trump tries to get rid of it, they say, oh, no, no, no, you can't do that.
00:23:45.000The federal judges are going to veto that.
00:23:46.000So the way I see it is that both parties are racing now, are in a dire race as to who can prevent the other from an absolute domination or takeover.
00:23:58.000And really, the left is poised to do that.
00:23:59.000If the left gets into power and they were going to do this with Clinton, they're going to do this after Trump or they'll try to do it after Trump.
00:24:09.000It's not like, well, if we just reduce government and we play by the rules.
00:24:13.000Well, then they'll come in and they'll respect the rules.
00:24:16.000I mean, they'll, in my view, I think they'll do it anyway.
00:24:20.000And we're moving towards that the way we are.
00:24:22.000I think the libertarian argument basically says be complacent, be concerned with the size of government as opposed to the activity and the competence of government when government's been a fantastic thing.
00:24:33.000You don't want a large, overreaching government.
00:24:36.000I mean, I've made this argument before about the left.
00:24:41.000Obama, you know, he took more executive actions than any other president.
00:25:20.000What makes this particularly tricky is you know, you absolutely know that these tech giants are talking to the left, and the left is saying, okay, well, we're going to give you these sort of, what do you call it, back table, back corner conversations.
00:25:37.000We'll give you more leniency if you say ban our opposition from your platforms.
00:25:43.000I mean, this is a strategy that's been used in other countries too with media, right?
00:26:35.000I mean, well, and here's why it's because most normies, most of these NPCs that constitute the majority of the population are like, oh, that crazy guy got kicked off.
00:26:47.000I mean, do you think that people are going to stop using YouTube, Apple, and Spotify because they're like, Taking a stand for this vitamin salesman.
00:26:56.000I mean, the humble water filter salesman.
00:28:05.000It causes innovation because the military says, well, you know, we need to figure out.
00:28:10.000How we can better adapt to these fighting conditions.
00:28:13.000And so you look at the innovation that gets, like the computer.
00:28:16.000The only way the military makes us money, like quite honestly, is when military technologies become slightly obsolete and they're able to sell them to the private sector who then turn them into products.
00:28:31.000That's what I'm referring to is the innovation that's brought about by research.
00:28:34.000I'm not talking about war, I'm against war, but I'm talking about when you have, I'm saying that the military research and development leads to great innovation.
00:28:43.000And that's a good example of, The state, which is not always a horrible thing.
00:28:47.000Reagan made it out like, oh, government's evil.
00:29:23.000And by the way, if you go to a city like New York, we have multiple roads here.
00:29:28.000The same fat slobs are working on those roads for 15 years since I moved to New York seven years ago, doing nothing, just directing traffic around the damage because the government really sucks.
00:29:45.000And right now, you know, between unions, we have the government's.
00:29:49.000Uh, uh, uh, jerking off with the unions.
00:29:54.000Um, no, nobody's really getting anything done.
00:29:57.000Like, if roads were adopted by the private sector, I mean, I think that would be more efficient, right?
00:30:03.000If there were companies that were responsible for the maintenance of roads, would actually get done right now.
00:30:09.000The taxpayer is forced to give up their money, right?
00:30:13.000The government gets to sit around, uh, say how it's spent, see how they could spend it to increase their own power.
00:30:22.000I'm shocked that you have so much faith in the individual.
00:30:25.000I mean, I thought you were a little bit more cynical or Nietzschean.
00:31:15.000Markets are useful for allocating resources, but they're not the end all be all.
00:31:20.000There is a role that has to be played by government.
00:31:23.000I wouldn't say that I'm like a full fledged statist or anything like that, but there has to be a serious.
00:31:28.000Counter reformation against this zealotry, this Randian, Reagan zealotry that says, you know, we have to just give everything away to corporations and to all the rest.
00:32:50.000I mean, they're just thing after thing.
00:32:54.000What we paid for, I think we paid the government of Peru or something like that to test the intelligence of some sort of animal, some sort of animal or bug.
00:33:22.000The entire thing to me is really insane.
00:33:24.000And because there's so little oversight, I mean, what?
00:33:27.000The Pentagon lost billions of dollars recently.
00:33:30.000You go to any of these individual government agencies and they say, oh, well, we can't account for this ton of money.
00:33:39.000Scary and it's sickening, and that is why we're in debt.
00:33:42.000I mean, Nick, if you had a bank account, if your bank account was the bank account of the American taxpayer combined, right, you'd be running around, you'd forget what you were buying, or you wouldn't.
00:33:59.000You'd be completely moral, you'd open your checkbook, right, and do the balancing and say, Here you go, I'm buying you a road, America, you're welcome.
00:34:49.000A Plato's Republic scenario where we breed the best, most moral people to uncertainty the government who we know won't waste our money or get in bed with major tech industries.
00:35:08.000I mean, that's the only way that I see this large statism that you're pitching working.
00:35:17.000If we isolate and breed that class of human being, But how does that book end?
00:35:59.000Ah, we'll just let him self regulate, but that doesn't work.
00:36:01.000So I'm not saying, well, the government should be totalitarian and should have everything.
00:36:06.000And I've just told you, I'm not defending the state of affairs, but I'm saying that we as conservatives have to rethink how we look at it.
00:36:12.000It doesn't have to be all encompassing for us to say that we should have an expectation that government will be competent instead of small.
00:36:20.000I'm fundamentally not concerned with the size and scope of government.
00:36:26.000Percentage of government spending as a percentage of GDP, or they'll say it's the amount of public employees, or they'll say it's the amount of federal departments.
00:36:36.000We, you know, the state has grown so much, the society has grown so much.
00:36:40.000To me, that's basically a lost cause at this point.
00:36:46.000We have to just make it work, we just have to make it competent.
00:36:49.000Trump didn't come into office saying, We're going to privatize health care.
00:36:53.000He said, We're just going to take care of everybody.
00:36:55.000He didn't say, We're going to have free trade.
00:36:57.000He said, I'm going to make good deals.
00:37:00.000How do you make the post office or the EPA, which shouldn't exist in the first place, or any number of these other government organizations competent?
00:37:44.000Say the service is, yeah, roads and keeping us safe.
00:37:48.000Those are the, I mean, keeping us safe, I think, is the primary.
00:37:51.000I'm not wild about the excesses spent on the military, but we need to keep ourselves secure.
00:38:02.000So, yeah, roads and keeping this, if governments are basically our internet fee or whatever, our service fee for that, that's not really the case, though, Nick.
00:38:16.000And once we get out of those realms, then we have all these other departments and branches that are incompetent and that we can't actually change because many of these departments now are unionized, you realize.
00:38:34.000We need a vigorous national spirit and revitalization to happen.
00:38:39.000I'm sorry, but I just don't agree with this idea that, well, we can't make it work.
00:38:44.000And by the way, you go to the private sector.
00:38:48.000Is the private sector a place where people really have pride in their work and it's great quality?
00:38:53.000I mean, you make it out, and this is what free market people do everything is so wonderful in the private sector.
00:38:58.000Yeah, not really, but you can easily fire, for the most part, unless it's a unionized company, you can easily fire people.
00:39:04.000And again, if you've ever, and this is such an almost trite example to use, but if you've ever, have you ever milled a package or even tried to buy stamps at the post office?
00:39:43.000She's gonna, you're gonna see her at what when she's 80 years old, still working there.
00:39:48.000And that's, that's the unfortunate reality of a lot of these government jobs.
00:39:52.000It's more realistic to me that we are able to change that than that we can change the nature of the private sector.
00:39:59.000I mean, look at the things that the private sector has touched, like television, for example, like buildings.
00:40:06.000Wouldn't it be great if government was vanguarding our transition to hyper capitalism, where on television you didn't have all this lewd media, where the architecture wasn't these big glass boxes?
00:40:18.000Wouldn't it be great if the government said there has to be standards, the buildings have to be built classically and beautiful, or they have to be some kind of style, but they can't be ugly?
00:40:27.000And on television, we're not going to have this kind of stuff happening on TV.
00:40:30.000And don't you wish there were some kind of standards enforced?
00:40:33.000I feel like, and I didn't feel like this for a long time until I started to understand that there was more to life than cheap, efficient products.
00:40:42.000If there was more quality, if there was more of an art to things delivered by government regulation.
00:40:48.000Most people, I have the belief that the majority of people in government are incredibly incompetent.
00:40:54.000And obviously, what you just said draws parallels to.
00:41:02.000To certain regimes that did have some beautiful buildings.
00:41:08.000But if you looked at the actual quality of life, okay, so there was what?
00:41:14.000There was some questionable innovation during wartime that did fuel a few technologies forward.
00:41:27.000The architecture was more brutalist than classical, in my opinion.
00:41:37.000And I mean, listen, if we had ideally, ideally, companies and architects would design buildings to last rather than just figure out how to make a glass square.
00:41:54.000And, you know, they're going to be ripped down in 20 years and replaced with something else.
00:41:58.000I do miss the age when we would design buildings and, you know, Products that were supposed to last 50 years or 100 years, and we could pass them down.
00:42:12.000I mean, a lot of the stuff I buy, I'll hunt down antique versions of it just because I know it'll last longer.
00:42:24.000Should the government really enforce that?
00:43:52.000Then during the Great Depression, largely the way that was reversed was the government and ad industries in America who said, okay, we need to change the pitch here.
00:44:06.000Buy this because it's the newest thing we have, or buy this because it comes in this box.
00:45:00.000I just think the government plays a big role.
00:45:02.000I mean, there's a perfect example of this.
00:45:04.000You look at a city like Washington, D.C., or a city like Paris.
00:45:08.000Do you want to know why Washington, D.C., and Paris don't look like London or New York City?
00:45:13.000It's because the government says, You can't build above a certain height because if you build above a certain height, then you're not able to see the monuments.
00:45:21.000And in Paris, you're not able to see the historical downtown and the Eiffel Tower and all that.
00:45:28.000And I'm not saying government should manufacture and nationalize things, but there is a place.
00:45:33.000And I think you can agree that where there are negative market externalities, where the market has shortcomings, the government has a role to play.
00:45:42.000And we can get competent people in there.
00:45:44.000If there is somebody like Donald Trump, Who introduces a vigorous national revival where people are taking pride in their country, taking pride in their work, where there is accountability?
00:45:55.000It starts at the top down, and we can make it happen, and we could make up for those areas.
00:45:59.000It's not going to happen if we resign ourselves to this world where everyone's out for themselves.
00:47:15.000Because there was a strong communitarian ethic and because people felt as if they were family.
00:47:20.000And if we had a vigorous revival of the national spirit in the country, a communitarian ethic like that, the state could competently execute the will of the people.
00:47:30.000But it can't do that when we've resigned ourselves to atomization.
00:48:27.000You can't, and by the way, those actions, let's take more people in from other, and it's not about the Somali refugees being black or white or whatever else.
00:48:38.000Being from a certain culture that takes a long time to assimilate.
00:48:46.000I personally, you know, I think you can, as well, I believe in assimilation personally.
00:48:56.000I don't believe in this leftist thing where you plop as many people down in a country for votes and don't worry about the consequences or what's going on right now, say that we shouldn't assimilate them because their culture is better.
00:49:13.000Even though they were escaping it to come here, right?
00:49:39.000But that's specifically, that's not a regulatory thing.
00:49:44.000It's, again, A matter of our own well being.
00:49:49.000And when you have, I mean, most large Western countries do go through periods of where there's an influx in immigration, followed by you sort of got to tap it off, tapered off.
00:50:05.000Right now, where I think we need to end all of it for a while.
00:50:21.000I don't know if we'll fully be able to climb out of it or how long it will take to climb out of it, but the very last thing we should be doing is allowing hordes of new immigrants to come in.
00:50:33.000Not only hordes of new immigrants, but specifically saying we want the shittiest immigrants in the entire world to flood our country.
00:50:42.000Yeah, I'm in agreement with that totally.
00:50:44.000And that's part of the problem we bring in exactly right the waste of the world.
00:50:50.000I mean, and we look, you know, I think we disagree in a big way about.
00:50:54.000The problem with these immigrants, I mean, you say it's culture.
00:51:02.000And to me, I do want to push back on this a little bit to challenge the notion that this was ever a good idea.
00:51:09.000We see that Somalia, Haiti, Detroit, I mean, we could take a sample across many continents and we find that people from sub Saharan Africa, they're not doing so hot.
00:51:23.000You know, if you could show me, like, well, in this neighborhood, It's flourishing, and in this neighborhood, they're not so good.
00:51:29.000But over here, they're kind of in the middle, but universally.
00:51:32.000And the same is true with, I think, most people, is that there doesn't seem to be a lot of variability when you look around the world according to these different tribes.
00:51:40.000I mean, do you think that race doesn't exist?
00:51:43.000Do you think it's totally arbitrary and it's all culture?
00:52:25.000I would say, you know, I would say if you take a young.
00:52:30.000You need a real youngin, we'll say a one year, a half year old from Pakistan, a Pakistani boy, throw him in an Asian tiger mom household, and I bet he would achieve far better than nearly everybody in his country.
00:52:57.000And I think for that reason, yeah, regardless of race, everybody in his country.
00:53:04.000I would think that they would achieve more, but I would think that certain variables just can't change, like IQ, for example.
00:53:12.000So I think they would achieve higher, but I don't think you would change the fundamental difference.
00:53:18.000But I agree with the premise that, oh, I'm not saying that culture doesn't exist, and it's all, I'm just saying it's kind of a combination.
00:53:25.000To me, the problem is in and of itself the degradation of the homeless.
00:53:30.000Okay, then here's another argument for you.
00:55:34.000Doesn't that sound like a solid country?
00:55:35.000No, because the problem is look, actually, if you look at any of the empirical data, ranked societies, the ones that you're describing, work better.
00:55:46.000If there's diversity and there's ranking, they tend to be more stable.
00:55:51.000But the problem becomes when they're not ranked and everyone's told, no, actually, you're all equal.
00:56:13.000This again, this comes down to the media.
00:56:16.000People, listen, there are low IQ blacks and whites and.
00:56:22.000I haven't really met a low IQ Asian, to be honest, but I'm sure they, I also have it, you know, they're one of the tiniest groups of people here.
00:56:42.000But yeah, what I will say is there's this push in America right now that even if you're a complete dipshit, You should be making $150K a year and being in control of a number of different things.
00:57:01.000And that is being pushed by leftist narratives and the mainstream media.
00:57:28.000Well, to me, that's not really the problem.
00:57:31.000To me, the problem is not even this idea that, well, conflict between groups of people comes from the fact that there's an asymmetry between expectation and reality.
00:57:42.000The problem is that these groups identify with themselves, and that's intrinsic to them.
00:57:48.000And when they're competing in the same borders for the same resources, they see it not as a competition between individuals, but between groups.
00:57:56.000And so perhaps white people, because they're, or the green people, because they're altruistic and they don't have an in group preference, they can more easily see, well, if this person is doing better than me, well, good on him.
00:58:08.000But when other groups say it's because of their race, these groups, and that group has more of this and that, and then there's conflict, that breeds instability.
00:58:18.000It breeds a low trust society, which destroys communities.
00:58:23.000And to me, it's the homogeneity in and of itself, which is worth preserving because then you get high trust, stability.
00:58:29.000You don't have to have in group preference.
00:58:31.000I will say, not to buy into some of the stuff that you not so subtly hint at, but one of the things that I say to, I actually.
00:58:42.000Infuriated a black girl who was over my apartment a couple weeks ago.
00:59:03.000Yeah, you know, there are all these words under the general framework of intersectionality and how certain groups are just purely kept down.
00:59:17.000That whole, actually half of it, and I forget the other woman's name, but half of these terms, even intersectionality and privilege and the way they're used, were created by white Jewish women.
00:59:34.000And then appropriated by these black professors to basically say, oh, listen, the reason you're not achieving is because of this nonsensical framework where there's this ether.
00:59:49.000Holding you down, but you have every right to be Zuckerberg yourself.
00:59:56.000I mean, I think that points out some of the insanity of the entire thing.
01:00:01.000I really don't think that it's in these invariant ways, like, okay, you can't say it's in the nature of black people to feel oppressed by white people and demand that they're paid a billion dollars.
01:00:15.000Whereas white people, they don't say, that's sort of what you said, that white people will sit back and say, oh, well, you know.
01:00:32.000Well, I mean, there are genetic differences in terms of how we see groups.
01:00:36.000Historically, whites have not had a strong in group preference, they have been more altruistic as opposed to other groups.
01:00:44.000And the fundamental problem I'm trying to get at here is not, I mean, forget about the United States, for example, which has an historical legacy and cultural effects and everything else.
01:00:57.000Like, let's say I live in my house with my family and I open my doors and say, okay, people can come in and live here with me.
01:01:06.000Well, if I see all the guests as, well, they're just other, they're extended family.
01:01:12.000Well, I'm not going to be, if they're, you know, rummaging around in the fridge and taking food, I'm like, oh, stop rummaging around in the fridge, you know, Darnell, you know, you're taking all the food, or Joe, whoever, you know, hey, you're taking all these resources.
01:01:25.000You as an individual should be held responsible.
01:01:27.000You know, it's really great that Bob is doing so great in his work.
01:01:30.000Well, what happens if the people that are coming into the house, families, say, Well, it's not really about me.
01:01:36.000It's about my family versus your family.
01:01:39.000And then two families come into the same house and they start fighting each other because they're like, You know, this family's always doing this and we can't live like this anymore.
01:03:55.000And that, see, to me, that's more cruel.
01:03:58.000I think it's better that you have a level playing field within a society where there's trust and there's traditions and all the rest, and they can rise and fall within their own country as opposed to coming here and messing with our thing.
01:04:10.000We had a Pretty good thing going, and now people are messing it all up.
01:04:15.000And when do you think America was led astray?
01:06:23.000Hart Seller was intended to not change.
01:06:27.000I mean, like the deceptiveness of it was that Ted Kennedy said this won't increase immigration and it won't change the kind of immigrants coming here.
01:08:12.000So in national origins quotas that were introduced in the 20s and they had immigration laws like this in the 40s, they said, We're going to restrict the amount of people from Latin America, from Africa, from Asia.
01:08:23.000And we got rid of the national origins quotas.
01:08:26.000And so, how could you say that getting rid of a directed, controlled immigration system in favor of a laissez faire, liberal immigration system is expansionist?
01:08:38.000Okay, so if this was the original, the purported purpose, right, of the Immigration Nationality Act was to bring in very close familial relations.
01:08:50.000Which was then expanded and expanded by the government.
01:08:53.000The reason they, it wasn't them relinquishing control, they had full control over what they were doing.
01:09:01.000They were trying to pull those people in for the votes.
01:09:06.000No, I just don't see how that's an expansion of government power.
01:09:09.000I don't, it's not like they took on more.
01:09:11.000If anything, they regulated the process less.
01:09:14.000They said, we're going to direct, they said, well, the state should not determine the, because it's not like, again, Why did it turn into Hispanic immigration?
01:09:22.000It's not because they were deliberately importing Hispanics.
01:09:25.000It's because Hispanics are across the border.
01:09:27.000And so, therefore, it made it a lot easier for them to come here than anybody else.
01:09:31.000But to say that, again, then this is the same argument Adam Kokish made in our debate that liberalizing trade was an expansion of government.
01:10:42.000If you fully open up the floodgates, which America has, Germany has, a number of other countries, England, not just London, England itself has.
01:10:56.000Yeah, I mean, if you have it, we'll use my little kindergartner example again.
01:11:01.000You have a group of friends, five friends.
01:11:04.000You can occasionally trickle in a new person to that class or that group.
01:11:09.000But if you say, okay, Somalia, any child you have can join this class, and all of a sudden it's 50 50, this original group, and then Somalians, then you're going to have these sort of segregated cultures within that same classroom.
01:11:26.000So I agree with that, but I absolutely wouldn't say, from now till the end of time, let's end immigration.
01:11:40.000Well, I will say, let's regulate it better.
01:11:43.000Let's do better with it rather than having certain people in our government say, who are the shittiest people we can bring in who will vote for us, maybe.
01:11:55.000Have them say, who will add to this country, who is already ideally partially assimilated to Western culture and Western society and won't cause a problem.
01:12:10.000What, assemble entire task force, task forces in various states to hunt down gang members that were imported from the South, many of whom have paperwork.
01:14:50.000Well, wow, Nick, you're you may be teaching me things, but I still don't know if that's correct, or maybe everybody except for you has mispronounced it.
01:16:18.000I will say it wasn't until I went to a school with busing organized by the government because they said these people from the ghetto, they're only in the ghetto because they're not really going to school in the suburbs.
01:16:32.000So I did two years of high school, or no, a year and a half of high school at a public school.
01:16:38.000And all of a sudden, we have these kids bust in from the ghetto.
01:16:42.000Largely black, a few, I will say, in that case, a few peppered whites.
01:16:51.000No sense of social interaction or, I mean, they'd be screaming honky at the white people, pushing white people up against lockers.
01:17:01.000You're like, wow, this is our first time.
01:17:03.000This is an interesting experience, this assimilation.
01:17:11.000So that is sort of what's going on right now, I will say, in terms of our immigration.
01:17:16.000We're bussing people in from the ghetto.
01:17:18.000But if just a few people, again, a little peppering, a few people came in and didn't feel like they could glob onto each other and maintain a backward or sort of backwards ideas, then that would have gone, I think that experiment would have gone better.
01:21:10.000Like, what's the missing piece of the puzzle here?
01:21:14.000The data sets that different people living together, even within races, even between Nords and Swedes, lower social trust, creates instability.
01:21:24.000And so, to me, it's like if it makes life marginally worse, why would we bring in a single person?
01:21:42.000Let's both agree that after we've brought in such an influx of shitty people, the equivalent of like people from the ghetto, let's only bring in good people.
01:21:53.000Well, yeah, let's no, let's just bring in people that are gonna not rock the boat, which is to say, bring in people.
01:21:59.000No, I don't want, I don't want, I don't even want shitty, boring people who don't do anything.
01:22:04.000Boring, uh, this is what we're at a solid people who do say, uh, who come here, I want to work for Uber.
01:24:43.000Listen, I'm saying regardless of race, as long as they're high IQ, I have a problem with the low IQ people being brought in, which I think is a message that has been relatively echoed by our president.
01:34:47.000We talked about immigration and good to have a little bit of a back and forth.
01:34:52.000You know, usually it's a lot of agreement, which because most of the time people are either far to the left and they disagree so they don't want to come on or they're just a little bit to the right or rather a little bit to the left and they're on the right and they don't want to come on because of my reputation or whatever.
01:35:11.000So it's always fun and nice for a change when you get somebody who's able to come on and have a debate, have a A little bit of a back and forth.
01:37:02.000There's a little sub community that's grown on my Discord, and now they've branched off, and now they do their own podcast called The Daily Brap.
01:37:15.000The live stream makes me feel not so alone all the time.
01:37:18.000The problem is, I resign myself into my office to playing things, you know, Civ 5 or Fortnite, or I'm reading, and I always feel kind of alone.
01:37:34.000You know, it's always that kind of thing where even if you prefer to be doing your own thing, it's like you feel like, oh, well, should I be?
01:42:50.000And so we have to accept that, optimize it for what we're working with, which is a very different population, a very different system, economy, technology, all the rest, and have it work in the interest of the public good.
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