00:02:34.000And now he's turned into a really, really good friend.
00:02:36.000And Jacob Woolwell, you know, we went to Minnesota, we wore some bulletproof vests, and now we got a couple of people after us that want to put us in jail.
00:03:12.000I actually asked the speakers if they wanted you guys to be silent, but they said no.
00:03:17.000So you guys can hoop, you can holler, but be aware that that does cut into our time.
00:03:21.000We definitely, definitely, definitely want you to know that the bar is going to stay open, so feel free to get up, grab as many drinks, get lit.
00:04:27.000Kathy, so you made national headlines a month ago or something like that, and then since then we've kind of watched you evolve or regress, depending on people's definition of conservatism here.
00:04:37.000Do you want to go ahead and introduce yourself?
00:05:17.000What is your definition of conservatism?
00:05:20.000And how does that apply to family and marriage?
00:05:22.000Let's start with you, Kathy, and then Bernadine, if you wrap that one up.
00:05:26.000Yeah, like I said, conservatism to me means just, I'm a pro constitutionalist, so I believe that, you know, as long as you align your values with the Constitution, you have, you know, for me, like LGBT, for example, you are allowed to get married to the person you love.
00:05:42.000And that goes both ways straight, gay, lesbian, whatever.
00:05:47.000As long as you follow, you know, everything else, yeah, conservatism.
00:06:23.000And I think that the two kinds of, not culprits, but the two sides of these coins is it is corporate media.
00:06:36.000I'm not actually sure that I want to live in a country where giant corporations get to tell us what to believe about our money and our politicians and our thoughts and our money.
00:06:48.000And it's generally Marxism because Marxism slipped to the crack of democracy.
00:07:53.000Hacking that they're doing of our biochemical reactions is a problem.
00:07:56.000So the pace that they can keep us confused means we can never settle on it.
00:08:01.000And so we have to abolish pace and acknowledge that we are limited humans and fucked up.
00:08:07.000And as long as we live in this little techno-centric, whatever world, then we can't even get together to form a militia, to worship God, to hold our politicians accountable.
00:08:17.000It's not the money, it's not a certain race in the media, it is just the pace.
00:08:37.000Completely irrelevant because the word conservatism is not subjective, it's objective.
00:08:42.000So, by definition, conservatism means to preserve traditionally held values.
00:08:47.000So, what are traditionally held values?
00:08:51.000So, why does something become a traditionally held value?
00:08:54.000It's because it is a habit or a behavior or a lifestyle that has been proven to be beneficial.
00:09:01.000Okay, it's been tried, it's been tested, and it has proven to be true.
00:09:05.000So, you preserve something because it helps you.
00:09:10.000You don't preserve something if it hurts you.
00:09:12.000So, the whole point of traditionalism why does something get passed down generation after generation is because it is something that is helpful.
00:09:22.000It is something that is beneficial to individuals, to family units, and to society at large.
00:10:38.000If you're a liberal or a libertarian, you are free to say what you believe and to say, this is what I believe, this is my stance on that.
00:10:46.000That's fine, nobody's telling you to shut up.
00:10:48.000But if you claim to be a conservative, you should align with conservative values.
00:10:54.000And the conservative value is to preserve the family unit.
00:10:59.000And if you are condoning LGBT, if your goal is to expand this propaganda to where most of society is, homosexual, for example, then what exactly are you preserving?
00:11:13.000Because homosexuals cannot biologically have children.
00:12:14.000Why would you be pro life yet not allow gay couples to adopt kids?
00:12:21.000My question first is are you really pro life?
00:12:25.000Because I have seen your tweets and everyone has seen your tweets, and he says, You say you don't have to be pro life to be a conservative, right?
00:12:31.000Yeah, I'm pro life, but you don't have to be pro life so you can serve me.
00:12:39.000I support, for me personally, I will never.
00:12:41.000Yeah, so if you support pro choice, who are you to ask me?
00:12:44.000Come on, let her give a full answer on it.
00:12:47.000Okay, yeah, so I am pro life personally for myself, but I do not think that the government will ever come to the point where they will ban or make abortion illegal.
00:13:35.000But if you happen to be pro choice and conservatism, Still be a conservative, even though you don't check those boxes, and you think that that's just incompatible with conservatism as a whole.
00:15:32.000My whole thing about how you're not calling me a conservative only because I believe that people, like the government will never ban abortion, that doesn't prove anything.
00:15:43.000My point is that just because we're going to call it an abortion, it's just never going to happen.
00:16:39.000We came and we found a venue even though we got kicked after like five different places.
00:16:46.000We even got kicked through a venue this morning but we're here and I'm just super excited to see these debates, to see these panels and I just want to hear all these crazy opinions because I love free speech.
00:17:27.000He's a paleocon and wants to pull out of everything.
00:17:30.000We're going to run a clean debate, so Jacob will let Nick quit.
00:17:45.000And of course, many of you know I'm a lot more interventionist when it comes to foreign policy because I think that there's nothing more America first than imposing our will on other countries.
00:17:55.000You look around the world, and you know, people that are more on the non interventionist side, they might say, oh, stay out of Greenland, don't buy Greenland.
00:18:03.000I say that Denmark is a baby country, as Nick would call it, and we should impose ourselves on the world and really push the idea that we're the best, if we are the best country on earth, we should show that.
00:20:17.000It's not two months into his presidency, it's three years.
00:20:20.000And there are more, not fewer troops in Afghanistan 14,000 the last time I checked.
00:20:25.000When you look at Iran, it's not clear what the position is on Iran.
00:20:29.000One day we'll say that we don't want regime change, and meanwhile, Bolton and Giuliani are running around in Albania, you know, calling for Tehran to be crushed and the White House to be erected in the town square.
00:20:42.000So I would give the Trump administration overall, they've done a lot of good things.
00:20:46.000They've taken on China, they have just imposed crushing pain on the Chinese.
00:21:29.000I don't know if you paid attention, but a couple of months prior to the 2016 election, there was a very serious allegation that Russia was launching cyber attacks on the United States.
00:21:39.000And there was the big concern, I think it was in October 2016, that we were going to retaliate militarily against Russia.
00:21:53.000You have, of course, the border crisis.
00:21:55.000And so I think taking a comprehensive look requires a comprehensive perspective.
00:21:59.000And what I mean by that is has the Trump administration, paradigmatically, in terms of the paradigm, changed the way that we look at foreign policy?
00:22:09.000While things have been getting marginally better in some areas, You know, are we as hawkish with Russia as we would have been in the Clinton administration?
00:22:19.000Are we marginally better on border security, maybe, than Barack Obama?
00:22:22.000Certainly a lot of the numbers don't reflect that, but some of the recent treaties this month and last month show that we're moving in the right direction.
00:22:30.000But I look at our posture against Iran.
00:22:32.000I look at our posture against North Korea.
00:22:36.000And I say that in 2020, if a Democrat gets in office, or if in 2024 a Democrat gets in office, the foreign policy will revert back and it will be exactly the same.
00:22:45.000And so for me, I have to say that things are better, and they're better than the alternative, but things are not paradigmatically different.
00:22:53.000Is it truly a nationalistic posture that is focused primarily inwardly towards our own people as opposed to outwardly towards, you know, people in Iran who are fighting for freedom or Israeli money or things like this?
00:23:06.000I would say have to give them a C for that.
00:23:11.000I did a video where I read children's books that are leftist children's books.
00:23:16.000Yeah, it's, uh, One of the most disgusting things you've ever seen in your life.
00:23:20.000Feminist Baby was one of the books, and the other one was A is for activists, and T was for trans, and Z was for Zapatista, which is like basically a terrorist group in Mexico, something along those lines.
00:23:36.000It's like telling children that this is what they should be looking to.
00:24:04.000And the question that we have to ask ourselves is a question that Sam Francis posed at, I think, the premier American Renaissance conference 25, 30 years ago, which is can a country that is no longer occupied by European people perpetuate Western civilization?
00:24:22.000And people that are not European perpetuate Western civilization or Western culture?
00:24:27.000I think we're finding out the answer is clearly no.
00:24:30.000I think we've seen that the demographic, and this guy's shaking his head, he doesn't care for this.
00:24:34.000But I'll give you a little brief example just related to this.
00:24:37.000I took a lift here with my friend Zoomer Clips.
00:25:40.000How did each of you guys come to conservatism?
00:25:43.000And then, who is the standard bearer or the original thought leader that you match your values against to say that this is conservative or not?
00:26:26.000It kind of sounds like Kathy is saying you can be pro choice or pro life and be conservative, and you're saying, well, I was conservative the whole time, even though I was a feminist.
00:28:13.000I'm no longer pining over a career or something I can do out there, and my kids are holding me back because I've To change diapers and all this stuff.
00:28:21.000I love my kids and I don't care if I ever go on stage ever again.
00:29:11.000Alright, so we're going to face the audience again and we're going to answer the question Who is the standard bearer for conservatism and when did you become a conservative?
00:29:18.000It's just like when you made that post that.
00:30:20.000Has there been anyone in the administration that has surprised you from a report of what their position you thought may have been and what it actually is?
00:30:29.000Or, you know, who's good and who's bad within this administration?
00:32:22.000And Pompeo is, you know, he's one of these people.
00:32:25.000He gave a speech recently, or I think it was actually prior to him getting to have to be Secretary of State, he has these evangelical, apocalyptic beliefs about this confrontation between Israel and Iran.
00:32:40.000Not anything wrong with evangelicals, but they do have these views about Zionism and the biblical interpretation of the showdown, so that's a little tough.
00:32:48.000So, Jacob, personnel as policy is an axiom that we've used in politics for, you know, been part of probably 100 years in America.
00:32:56.000What do you think about some of the names that get thrown out there?
00:33:00.000Well, I would first say Nick brings up this point that if a Democrat gets into office, maybe not next term, I think probably not next term, but maybe the term after that or whenever they come in, there's this issue of reversion.
00:33:11.000And we keep seeing this, where everything in Washington just sort of reverts to the mean and gets back to the status quo.
00:33:18.000And so there is this issue of putting points on the board.
00:33:23.000Now, if you take a standoffish approach with Iran, you're not going to put any points on the board.
00:33:28.000You're going to get back into the Iran deal.
00:33:30.000In a couple of years, whenever that happens, and you're going to be back to Obama foreign policy.
00:33:35.000So I think what Trump understands is you have to do hard things.
00:33:38.000You have to build a wall that's actually there, it's physical.
00:34:07.000What Mattis wanted to do was be in the administration for a couple of months, get a book deal, and go work in a think tank for a million dollars a year and a no show job.
00:34:16.000So Mattis was a complete disaster, and I hope that he never crosses into official Washington again.
00:34:23.000And when we look at the best fix, the most surprisingly positive fix, Bolton was seditious and he caused problems.
00:34:35.000In terms of staffing, I think everyone understands that now in terms of setting things up.
00:35:46.000So I wish you'd be more aggressive as it relates to trade.
00:35:49.000On the military side, you've got a big problem because, at the rate that China is going versus the rate that we're going, China is set to be the biggest military on earth.
00:35:58.000They're going to be bigger than us if things continue the way they are.
00:36:44.000So, you know, I hear everybody talking about China.
00:36:47.000And, you know, my brief stint when I was in college for one year, I studied international relations, and you read a lot of John Mearsheimer.
00:37:20.000Look, our problems clearly, the most existential threat to our country is internal.
00:37:26.000And I think that America can be any enemy.
00:37:28.000We look at the greatness of America in all these wars, whatever, you know, regardless of whether or not we agree with how we got into these wars or to what end they were directed, you know, there's certain documentaries you can watch about what really happened.
00:37:55.000What I fear is that we are weak at home.
00:37:56.000And so I will say, you know, to redirect back towards the actual question with China, the threat of China is very much overrated.
00:38:03.000Everybody talked about for a long time how China's going to overtake us and China owns us and China owns all our debt and something like this.
00:38:11.000But you look at the structure of the Chinese economy, they have a 200% debt to GDP ratio.
00:40:13.000When you talk about a country that Trump is going too hard on, geez, it's a tough question because for so long America has just been really quite submissive to the rest of the world, to the rest of the world's interests.
00:40:30.000So a country that we're going too easy on, that's a tough question.
00:42:04.000Well, here's what I'll say about Mexico.
00:42:07.000In June, the president threatened to put a 5% or a 10% tariff on all goods coming from Mexico to the United States.
00:42:14.000Now, it never went into place, but they were able to write up an agreement, and the Mexican foreign minister came to the United States, I think in September, and said that illegal crossings were down 56%.
00:42:23.000And said that if you looked at the apprehensions at the border, that was down 20%.
00:42:27.000You know, it was 120,000 in the month of May, it was 100,000 in June, it was 70 some thousand in July.
00:42:36.000I don't know the exact figures, but it's been going down.
00:42:39.000Now, what's the country that Donald Trump has not been going hard on at all?
00:42:42.000What's the country that Donald Trump, if anything, has been bending over backwards to please and to satisfy a country that, by the way, is not exactly helping us?
00:43:19.000You look at what happened just last week.
00:43:20.000And there was a spy caught red-handed putting these cellular devices near the White House and in the Capitol that intelligence officials attributed to the Israeli government.
00:43:30.000Now, did we go to Trump on Twitter and say, very disrespectful, we give everything to these people, and this is how they treat us?
00:43:40.000Or did it come out that he quietly swept it under the rug and said, oh, it wasn't them, I'm sure it wasn't them, it's okay?
00:43:45.000You know, I remember the first, one of the first press conferences that Trump did after he got inaugurated was with the Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu.
00:43:54.000And Trump said at the conference, you know, hey, if you could take it easy on the settlements, that would be great.
00:43:58.000Because it's been the official position of the United States government since the 1967 war that we oppose civilian settlements.
00:44:06.000Me and Jacob debated about this a long time ago.
00:44:08.000But that's the official United States position.
00:44:10.000And so Trump said, you know, look, if you could really take it easy, because when the Israelis are annexing parts of Palestine, Or they're occupied with civilian settlements or things like that.
00:44:20.000That makes it a lot harder for us to do diplomacy with countries like Iran and with other countries in the Middle East.
00:46:06.000I would really, you know, if true, disturbing, but I really have a hard time believing that, you know, Israel has to use listening devices.
00:46:13.000I think they have better things than, you know, taking apart a Springboard and someone's a weird device.
00:47:03.000I happen to be a strong supporter of Bashar al Assad.
00:47:13.000But in the case of the Syrian civil war, it is the America first position, in my opinion, that we seek stability in the region above all else.
00:47:21.000We want to stabilize the region, reassert American hegemony through soft or smart power.
00:47:26.000I don't care for these terms, but it's economics, it's sanctions, it's things like this.
00:47:32.000We want a strong centralized government.
00:47:34.000That's cooperative with the United States.
00:47:36.000Now, prior to the Arab Spring, prior to Barack Obama giving material support to the so called moderate opposition in Syria, Bashar al Assad was completely cooperative with the United States.
00:47:47.000They tortured our terrorists because we couldn't do it because our gay humanitarian law.
00:47:51.000We sent them over there and they tortured them.
00:47:55.000And they took down their nuclear weapons program after 2003.
00:48:09.000They're trying to stabilize the country.
00:48:11.000And they keep doing airstrikes in Damascus all over the place.
00:48:14.000They're hitting the Syrian government.
00:48:16.000Beyond that, you've heard there's multiple quotes from the Israeli defense minister, from the top Israeli intelligence chief, that they would prefer ISIS on their borders as opposed to Bashar al Assad, as opposed to Syria.
00:49:03.000Now, speaking of North Korea, Israel is kind of like our North Korea in the region.
00:49:07.000Sometimes they're a bit of a Tasmanian devil.
00:49:09.000But they tend to do our bidding on the whole.
00:49:12.000And so when Syria was building a nuclear reactor with the help of North Korea, Israel went right in and bombed the hell out of the thing and finished it off.
00:49:20.000There was no more nuclear reactor, there was no environmental disaster, it was finished off.
00:49:25.000And that's just one example of Israel sort of doing our bidding.
00:49:29.000And now I'm going to be an honest Zionist here, which is rare.
00:49:35.000No, no, no, but there are these Zionists who say, we just want to have.
00:49:41.000A small little state, just our own little state, you know, it's basically just like New Jersey, like you said.
00:49:51.000Of course, Israel projects their power throughout the world.
00:49:53.000Nobody, I mean, come on, is anybody going to question that?
00:49:56.000But if you look around the world how Israel's projecting their power, I think it basically comports with everybody's ideas here in the room.
00:50:12.000Over and over and over again, We're seeing that Israel's support of political movements, their support of sort of extra political movements, judicial movements around the world, tends to be what we would think of as nationalist, you know, kind of isolationist, even.
00:50:29.000It's not like, you know, what many people say they're just trying to start wars all over the place.
00:50:34.000Orban's not a guy who's looking to start a war.
00:50:36.000I don't think Bolsonaro's a guy who's looking to start a war.
00:50:38.000So when you look at Israeli power projection, it tends to comport with what I think most people, at least in this room, would agree with.
00:51:05.000But I'm just saying that, you know, if you deny the intelligence of, well, you know, we have these cell phone devices in Washington and we don't know they're from Israel, I don't know if we're going to really take Israel's word for it that they were going and destroying nuclear infrastructure.
00:51:16.000In any case, the facts are irrelevant.
00:51:20.000And Assad is not trying to build a nuclear reactor.
00:51:22.000He's trying to stabilize his country and protect Christians.
00:51:26.000And to me, that's in America's interest.
00:51:28.000And so I think that example is just sort of negated because, you know, maybe.
00:51:32.00010 years ago, 15 years ago, you might have had a point, but in 2019, it's obviously a very different dynamic in the Middle East.
00:51:39.000On the second point about Israel sponsoring all these different nationalist groups, I mean, you're right.
00:51:43.000You can see Bolsonaro, Salvini, Orban, all these leaders somewhat regrettably going over, and they're going to take their trip and go to the Western Wall, and I'm sure you love that, you know, and that's great.
00:52:40.000I mean, if I were Israel and I just really were dying to have some wars right in my backyard in the Middle East, I can't imagine why I would.
00:52:48.000But if I were Israel and that's what I wanted, I think I might get on the phone with Sheldon Adelson, if I were Bibi Netanyahu, and I'd say, you know what, Sheldon, please throw your weight and your money behind Hillary Clinton.
00:53:57.000You know, right before he left office, I don't know if you remember this, but there was a UN Security Council resolution condemning Israel.
00:54:03.000Instead of vetoing it like we were obligated to do, slavishly, veto any resolution that opposes Israel, the president of the United States says, We're going to abstain from the vote.
00:54:14.000We're going to allow it to go through.
00:54:15.000There are many documented cases where the Obama administration, under which Hillary Clinton served as Secretary of State, stood up to the Israeli lobby.
00:54:23.000You know, the Iranian nuclear deal, which you oppose, which the hardcore Zionists like Hud Party opposed, that took place under the Obama administration.
00:54:31.000So I don't know if it's exactly true that Hillary Clinton would be starting a war with Iran necessarily.
00:54:37.000I think, if anything, maybe they placed their bet that Trump would be the one who would help the Zionist interest.
00:54:48.000But Trump has dutifully recognized the annexation of the Golan Heights.
00:54:52.000Trump has dutifully moved the embassy to Jerusalem, recognized officially Jerusalem as the eternal capital of Israel.
00:54:58.000You know, Trump, under this Congress, greenlit the $3.8 billion per year.
00:55:03.000It was actually passed in 2016, but he reaffirmed it in the Congress.
00:55:06.000You know, we've seen these, like, insane anti Semitism laws where it's like if you're not signing a loyalty pledge to Israel, you can't get a government contract.
00:56:15.000But on the question of Saudi Arabia, it's a tough thing.
00:56:18.000In Saudi Arabia, you have a situation where the king is geriatric, demented, some say, and you have the son coming in, and the son certainly wields a lot of influence.
00:56:30.000Now, is Trump too close or not too close?
00:56:35.000I think he's not influential enough, is the way I would put it.
00:56:39.000Because when you have an issue of Saudi facilities getting bombed by Iran, allegedly, we sell Saudi Arabia a whole lot of weapons, $110 billion worth in the last couple of years.
00:56:52.000Why isn't Saudi Arabia using their military?
00:56:54.000I mean, why is this always, you know, we have to call up our uncle in America and have America handle everything?
00:57:00.000So, whatever Trump's ties are to Saudi Arabia, it's really hard to get a grasp on because it seems that it's kind of hugs and kisses and everybody goes along and gets along, but when the time comes for action, Trump doesn't seem to be able to get what we need out of Saudi Arabia.
00:57:29.000You guys have heard about my story, my passion story.
00:57:31.000I got disgruntled because of a Muslim tweet saying that I went to school one day and they wanted to put a hijab on me, a try on hijab day.
00:58:03.000So, I think that Muslims here in the United States should focus more on what's happening in other countries instead of just focusing on what's happening in America.
00:58:13.000Because in America, every religion is great.
00:58:15.000Like, I mean, every religion here is free to say whatever they want.
00:58:45.000You see, we find this weird relationship with our closest ally where they bomb our ships and they get us involved in all these things that we don't directly in the moment have any interest in, but we become interested in.
00:59:00.000When are we ever going to be able to stop going to war?
00:59:16.000And you mentioned, I just have to correct you because I just can't allow the kind of fallacy.
00:59:21.000The United States government report that was done by the waspiest people you've ever met said that the USS Liberty incident was an accident.
01:02:43.000All right, so, Bernadine, what do you think about, you know, there's this new movement, especially in this crowd, repealing the 19th Amendment?
01:03:09.000If you are married, then your husband's vote.
01:03:13.000I mean, if you're married, and I'm saying this as a Christian, you know, as a wife, you submit to your husband, and that doesn't mean he walks all over you and you're a yes woman, whatever, but you submit to him because you know that he loves you and that he's leading you out of love for you.
01:03:28.000He's leading you into safety, into security, because he is, I mean, I can say he's a man of God and he's pursuing what's right and what's good.
01:03:39.000So, anyways, if you're a wife, And your role, I'm saying this as a Christian, as a traditionalist, is to submit to your husband, your husband's vote covers the household.
01:03:50.000So if your husband votes pro gun rights, et cetera, then that covers the household.
01:04:03.000Kathy, you know, very new to this audience.
01:04:06.000What do you think about repealing the 19th Amendment, which gave women suffrage?
01:04:19.000I don't agree with her on the fact that men should vote for the women.
01:04:27.000My boyfriend and I, we agree, we align with a lot of things, but there are some subjects and topics where we disagree on, and I wouldn't want him voting for me.
01:04:35.000I think as a woman, I am responsible for my own actions, I'm responsible for how I think, how I feel, and I believe that I am just.
01:04:43.000As strong and willing and emotionally put together as he is.
01:04:51.000All right, so I want you guys to take each 60 seconds to kind of give your closing, your wrap up, not really addressing each other, but addressing what are your positions as we approach these issues?
01:05:01.000Again, of family, of freedom, of order.
01:05:04.000What would you tell a young girl out there or a lot of young men?
01:06:51.000And if they asked me in the future if you knew what was going on in society, what did you do about it, Mom?
01:07:09.000Who else is going to be dealing with a bunch of incels and niggas and f-cells?
01:07:17.000This issue of free speed, how they're coming after us, and it's more than us, us.
01:07:50.000Yeah, well, I mean, there's some obvious.
01:07:52.000Here's the thing I mean, look, everybody cries about the big e celebrities, and I have to tell you, you know, I get the sort of anti e celebrity resentment, all right, I understand it.
01:08:01.000And so people will weep for a big verified account, people will weep for a huge account, but to me, it's sort of like the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, you know, it's like that small account with 5,000 followers, you know.
01:08:12.000Something like that that gets banned, nobody knows about it, people forget over time, like teardrops in the rain, you know, these the greatest non accounts that just go away.
01:08:20.000So, I would have to say, it's I really have to hand it to these smaller accounts, uh, but maybe the bigger ones, I probably say, like Sam Hyde, you know, he's obviously back on there now, but Night of Fire was one of the best ever, we all know that.
01:08:31.000Um, I would say that he's he's going to be missed, honestly.
01:08:34.000This might be not very optical, but frankly, Andrew Anglin, hate to say it, look, and for no other reason, for no other reason, other than that he was first.
01:08:43.000You know, everybody wants to complain now.
01:08:45.000Everybody and their brothers getting banned and demonetized and everything.
01:08:48.000And now everybody wants to make a big stink.
01:08:50.000Now everybody wants to protest and sue and everything.
01:08:53.000But for what it's worth, nobody had much of a beef when Andrew Anglin got banned because he was a Nazi.
01:08:58.000And nobody cared when all the Charlottesville people got banned and deplatformed and, you know, ostracized and everything because they were Nazis.
01:09:31.000Well, everyone misses Milo and we miss Alex Jones and we miss a lot of these people.
01:09:37.000Certainly, Gavin McGinnis, of course, we miss on Twitter.
01:09:41.000But we're dealing with sort of a unique problem that I think could use some precision.
01:09:48.000Twitter censorship and YouTube censorship are two very different things.
01:09:51.000Twitter is a small company that has outsized influence because it's sort of the thought platform, it's the news platform, and it is the platform.
01:10:07.000We've seen Jack Dorsey go on to the Joe Rogan podcast and tell us exactly why, and it's very political, and nobody would ever doubt that that's the case.
01:10:16.000Now, when we look at YouTube, that's all about advertisers.
01:10:54.000The other thing I would say on the issue is that I think this issue of saying conservatives are being censored, conservatives are being censored, conservatives are being censored, I think it's a problem.
01:11:03.000I think we need to start saying Republicans are being censored.
01:11:06.000And a lot of people say, oh, I'm not a Republican, whatever.
01:11:09.000The reality is, we live in a two party state.
01:11:12.000And if you want the support of the big boys, the Republican Party, I think that we need to make this an issue of Republicans being banned.
01:11:18.000Make them feel like the cuts, like they're the people that are being banned, even though largely the establishment is not.
01:11:23.000And I think that's how you're going to build the support because.
01:11:26.000There is no conservative party in this country.
01:12:39.000On a big tent movement where everybody's protected.
01:12:43.000And by the way, everybody benefits from this because, you know, like I said about Andrew Englund, I don't, I know I'm, oh, I just, oh, he's terrible, whatever, but like, people like me are first to go, right?
01:12:53.000Or maybe second or third or fourth to go.
01:12:55.000But ultimately, then it's people like Jacob, and you get all the way up until the only acceptable dissent in opposition is John McCain and Mitt Romney.
01:14:15.000Yeah, I have to tell you that, like, you know, we had our gang gang collective phase where for a time, you know, we put on the pink head and we were going to Secure the bag and all that.
01:16:00.000But what makes me more optimistic, you talked about campaigning.
01:16:04.000You know, one of the greatest things about the 2016 campaign is that we can get together, people can wear a shirt that says America First, they're no longer afraid like they used to be to wear a shirt that says America First, to say that they believe in making America great again, to say, build the wall.
01:16:20.000And I just think, I say, wow, that campaign, however long it was, two and a half years or something, that really did a lot for us.