In this episode of America First, we discuss the return of the Groyper War II faction of Conservative Inc, and what it means for the future of the organization and the country. We also discuss the recent hit piece by Ben Shapiro on the so-called "New Alt-Right" group, America First. And we read an article written by Jaden Smith about the new alt-right group, the America First Students at Kansas State, and some other things that have come to light in the past few days that suggest the group may be gearing up for another war. America First is a group that has been around since the early 2000s, and has been heavily involved in the culture wars of the past decade. They are a group of students at KSU and other conservative institutions, and are trying to build a presence in the college campus and in the public eye. They have raised their army, and they are ready to meet us on the battlefield. We will meet them in the battlefield, and we will see them in a new and different way, but we will match them, to match them! Let me know what you thought of this episode and what you think of it in the comments section below! You can also join the conversation by using the hashtag on and , and we'll talk about it on the next episode of as well. Thanks for listening and supporting the show! Timestamps: 1: 2:00 - 3:30 - God's rules 4:20 - I believe in a religion that makes sense 5: Do you believe in God? 6:00 7: Does God have a plan? 8:15 - I don't need a religion? 9:40 - I'm a Christian? 10:00 | I don t have a rule? 11:30 | I'm not my words, not my rules? 12:00 -- I just enforce them? 13:30 -- My rules? 14:30 15: What's the point? 16:40 -- I'm good to evolve? 17:15 -- What do you agree with me? 18: Is God a bad thing? 19:00-- Is God better than you? 21:00 Is God good? 22: What are you a bad guy? 15, do you want me to be a better than a better person? 23:00 Do you have a problem?
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00:08:19.000I was planning on doing it earlier, but some things came up.
00:08:23.000I had to take care of some things behind the scenes.
00:08:26.000and uh... run a couple errands but we are ready to go here locked and loaded and uh... title of the stream is groper war two conservative inc strikes back and there have been some murmurings there have been some whispers a specter you could say is haunting the united states of america groper war two and i have to tell ya this is something that i didn't even initiate
00:08:54.000What I'm referring to in the title, and what we're going to be talking about today, is a conflict that is being renewed and reinitiated by Conservative Inc.
00:09:06.000That's why the title of this stream is, Groyper War II, Conservative Inc.
00:09:13.000Because certainly I have plans in the works for what the second leg of the Groyper War might look like, or further plans, but it is Conservative Inc.
00:09:25.000which has fired a shot across the bow.
00:09:31.000I don't know, I didn't graduate college.
00:09:36.000Shot across the bow at the Groypers at America First, at Maine.
00:09:41.000This really came on my radar like in the past couple of days.
00:09:46.000First I saw this podcast, Ben Shapiro goes on Charlie Kirk, and they talk for like, I didn't listen to the whole thing, we're going to listen to it today.
00:09:57.000But they talked for like at least 15 minutes about the so-called new alt-right, the Groypers, America First, all that.
00:10:08.000And then right after you get this hit piece on Jaden's organization, America First Students at Kansas State.
00:10:14.000And I've seen some other things, all of which leads me to believe that they are in fact gearing up for another conflict in the same way that we are, which is actually going to make it more interesting.
00:10:26.000You know, I think a lot of people anticipated or suspected that if we were going to carry on any kind of activities after the first leg of the Group Wars, that it would be the same thing.
00:10:37.000It would just be us asking questions and going to the Q&As and...
00:10:43.000thinks the same thing, which is why they're anticipating.
00:10:46.000They're anticipating what may happen next, but I don't think they're anticipating what's really going to happen next.
00:10:52.000So, I think that they are trying to preempt us a little bit with the podcast, some of these hit pieces, and who knows?
00:10:59.000I think Charlie Kirk goes back on tour at the end of this month, so...
00:11:04.000You know, they have raised their army, they're ready, and they will meet us on the battlefield, and we will see them there as well!
00:11:12.000We will gather our forces in a new and a different way this time, but we will be there too, to meet them, to match them.
00:11:21.000But let me get some music going here while I'm gonna read through this article, and then we will listen to this podcast, and that should basically be the stream today.
00:11:32.000But I've got to get some music going so that my headphones don't turn off.
00:11:36.000So let me just get that started just so we're all together.
00:11:39.000And I also want to put out there for everybody that I am currently not allowed to stream on YouTube.
00:11:49.000So remember today... That's a little loud.
00:11:54.000It's the New Hampshire Primary tonight at 7 o'clock.
00:11:58.000And I will only... That's still a little louder.
00:12:01.000I will only be streaming on DLive because if you were watching the show last night, I got a second Community Guidelines strike in the middle of the show.
00:12:09.000So I'm unable to stream on YouTube for at least two weeks.
00:12:14.000Pending perhaps another Community Guidelines strike which would mean that my whole channel is banned.
00:13:47.000So anyway, white nationalists turn focus to college campuses with trial run at Kansas State.
00:13:53.000And this is totally dishonest because Jaden McNeil is not a white nationalist, and neither is anybody who they're claiming in this article, right?
00:14:01.000They're claiming that me and Patrick Casey are white nationalists, which is not true.
00:14:06.000But even if it were true, this is Jaden McNeil's organization on Kansas State, and Jaden is a campus conservative.
00:14:15.000Anyway, it says the white nationalist movement, tarnished in the aftermath of Charlottesville, is repackaging its bigotry through a new mainstreaming strategy that focuses on college campuses and Trump supporters, according to a report released Tuesday by a national watchdog organization.
00:14:33.000Its first test case, a new group at Kansas State, launched by a student whose former organization was the subject of protests on campus.
00:14:41.000And, you know, by the way, this is what they have been saying forever.
00:14:47.000When they used to talk about the alt-right, it was, the alt-right is the KKK repackaged.
00:14:55.000And now that it's the Groipers, the Groipers are the alt-right repackaged.
00:14:59.000And it's just a constant guilt by association, and of course it all goes back to the neo-Nazis.
00:15:04.000Or it all goes back to the Nazis themselves.
00:15:07.000You know, the skinheads are repackaging the Nazis, the alt-right is repackaging the skinheads, the groipers are repackaging the alt-right.
00:15:41.000It says, so it's first test case, da-da-da, known as GROIPER, the new marketing effort, marketing effort, is an attempt by white nationalists to rebrand under a banner that will unite what it describes, America First, conservatives, Christians, anti-globalists, and nationalists.
00:15:56.000Yeah, in other words, not white nationalists, not neo-Nazis.
00:16:00.000I don't understand the brazen lying, just lying through their teeth on this.
00:17:41.000Leading the effort, the report says, are two activists who promoted and participated in the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia.
00:17:48.000The gathering ended with a white nationalist plowing his car into a group of counter-protesters, killing one.
00:19:34.000We're not saying the same thing that the media is, and we're also not differentiating ourselves just for the benefit of the media.
00:19:41.000We're differentiating ourselves because we are different.
00:19:44.000You know, the alt-right, if you look at its main proponents, people like Spencer and the right stuff, and even a lot of the new European right type people, they are progressive, they are liberal or post-liberal, they're definitely post-American.
00:19:58.000You could even say they're post-nationalist.
00:20:00.000They're not religious, they're not Christian.
00:20:03.000You know, all of that is set against what we represent, which is true, excuse me, truly conservative, truly reactionary, Christian.
00:20:11.000In particular, there's a strong Catholic faction on our side.
00:20:21.000You know, like I said, we're true reactionaries.
00:20:23.000So, you know, you could say whatever you want about the two groups, but they're not the same.
00:20:28.000You know, you could say, as an alt-right person, as an America First person, or as a non-biased, unbiased bystander, that the two are substantially different.
00:20:40.000And this is the argument that they've been making, and which Charlie Kirk and Shapiro are gonna make.
00:21:03.000All right-wing people, ostensibly right-wing people in America, are talking about the same problems, which is the problem of immigration, the problem of globalism.
00:21:14.000I mean, you've got everybody from the president, and even, by the way, people on the left, even people on the progressive left talking about this stuff, all the way through to the alt-right.
00:21:24.000So to say because we talk about the same subjects makes us the same is just about the most ignorant thing you could possibly say.
00:21:31.000But that's the crux of this report that was done by this, you know, Human Rights Whatever, and this article.
00:21:38.000That's the main thrust of it, which is it's a repackage.
00:21:52.000So, and by the way, I don't say to distinguish
00:21:55.000To clarify, I'm not saying that we're different.
00:22:02.000With anticipating that the media would leave us alone.
00:22:05.000Because that's what people used to say for years.
00:22:09.000Even when I started, after Charlottesville, when I started to say, you know, these guys are trouble, alt-right is not really where we are, the common criticism from the right was, oh, you're just cucking for the media.
00:22:21.000Oh, you're just saying you're not alt-right for the media.
00:22:24.000We even heard that from the alt-right, from
00:22:28.000You know, people who are adjacent to our side or our faction.
00:22:33.000People say, oh, the only reason you don't describe yourself as alt-right is you think the media won't go after you.
00:23:01.000And I don't not say it because I want the media to... I mean, they'll go after me no matter what, but it's just because it's different, because it's distinct.
00:23:17.000It says, this is an attempt to replace the Alt-Right, says Devin Burghardt, Executive Director of the Institute and co-author of the 64-page report, From Alt-Right to Groyper, White Nationalists Rebrand.
00:23:30.000It's a rebranding, yeah, not true at all.
00:23:32.000Those are the two main targets of recruitment for them right now.
00:23:38.000I love how when literally anybody else engages in political activity, that's legitimate, that's our democracy at work, but when we try to spread our ideas, it's recruitment!
00:24:00.000Okay, you know, in the same way that Bernie Sanders is recruiting people and, you know, Pete Buttigieg is recruiting people today in New Hampshire.
00:26:01.000Jayden dissolved the Turning Point chapter, but America First Students wasn't announced until Kansas State got back from winter break in January.
00:26:31.000Just a straight up, and it's an easy, it's an easy fact check.
00:26:35.000You can go and watch the Groyper Leadership Summit video.
00:26:39.000We did not announce America First Students then, because we didn't even think of a name at that point.
00:26:45.000We were discussing the creation of this, and we gave Jayden some advice, and we gave him some pointers and everything, and you know, a group of people, right-wing people involved in the Groyper Wars, had some input in this.
00:28:13.000As part of their strategy to become more mainstream, the report says the Groipers are holding an America First political action conference in Washington, D.C.
00:28:22.000As part of their strategy to become more mainstream.
00:28:44.000Flintus and Casey could not be reached for comment, but if denied being white nationalists... Yeah, we were not reached for comment at all.
00:30:06.000McNeil has described America First Students as a campus conservative organization defined by our support for closed borders, traditional families, the American worker, and Christian values.
00:30:15.000has brainwashed many students into believing that globalist policies constitute conservatism when clearly they do not.
00:30:23.000America First students would advocate for the broader goal of defending America against globalism, affirming the vision laid out by President Trump in his inaugural address.
00:30:32.000The organization plans to start chapters at other universities.
00:30:35.000We're focusing on Kansas State and then branching out to other campuses.
00:31:00.000And this stuff just, like, disgusts me to my core.
00:31:03.000It's like, I get this stuff all day long, but Jaden is somebody who's literally done nothing wrong, and they're running this hit piece, and they bring up Charlottesville, and Heather Heyer getting killed.
00:31:13.000Heather Heyer getting killed is like the new Holocaust.
00:31:17.000Or the new slavery, or the new whatever.
00:31:20.000This is an article, ostensibly, about a campus conservative organization on Kansas State, and they find a way to tie it into Heather Heyer.
00:31:29.000Which, by the way, I had nothing to do with any of the organizers of Charlottesville, the speakers, the organization that the guy driving the car was a part of.
00:31:40.000Well, it's like, you know, seven degrees of separation.
00:31:43.000Well, Jaden is friends with Nick, and Nick is friends with Patrick, and Patrick and Nick were at Charlottesville, and other people at Charlottesville did this three years ago.
00:32:12.000People should go up to this person with a camera in her face and ask her about these lies.
00:32:18.000Somebody should go up to her, and not in a violent way, not in an intimidating way, but just like these scumbags do and say, hey, Judy Thomas, these people should never get a break.
00:35:28.000I'm not very, uh... When it comes to compliments and kind words, I... Regrettably, I should probably be more kind, but I use them quite sparingly.
00:35:39.000But Michelle Malkin is really so critical to what we're doing with America First because everybody recognizes that her character is unimpeachable when it comes to
00:36:39.000And that's why she's so important, because with somebody like me or somebody like Jaden or Patrick, people that aren't as well-known, it's very easy to smear people like that.
00:36:48.000If you're not as well-known, you don't have a track record, obviously the people with the bigger media guns can create the narrative.
00:36:56.000With somebody like Michelle Malkin who's stepping up, and she's got so much integrity to defend what's right here, are they going to now turn and say, oh, Michelle Malkin's
00:37:06.000This evil alt-right, how absurd is that?
00:40:19.000Actually, I'll turn off the music while we listen to the podcast.
00:40:23.000So, if you guys didn't catch it, Ben Shapiro went on the Charlie Kirk podcast and they talked about the groipers for like 10 minutes or so.
00:40:31.000So, we're gonna take a listen, see what they have to say about us.
00:40:42.000Thank you for listening to this Podcast One production.
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00:40:49.000Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, I sit down with the great and the legendary Ben Shapiro.
00:40:55.000We talk all things alt-right, common good conservatives versus natural rights and limited government conservatives, and the fate of neoliberalism.
00:41:04.000I touch a lot of this on our podcast, so you guys can email us, always freedom at charliekirk.com, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:41:11.000By the way, I should add, nobody listens to this podcast.
00:41:16.000I should throw it out there that I don't know anybody that listens to this podcast and it's actually hard for me to imagine that people are tuning in reliably to Podcast One.
00:41:29.000That's a thing that you gotta recognize with Charlie Kirk.
00:41:31.000His entire following is completely astroturfed and basically not real.
00:43:21.000okay Charlie Kirk and let's he's got 10,000 ratings that's gonna be hard to beat actually but we're gonna go in there that's why we need all hands on deck we give them a rating without subscribing oh yeah here we go okay I just gave him a one-star rating can I do less than one star well there's my rating I'm leaving a one-star rating
00:44:46.000He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:44:53.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:46:05.000Yeah, and the planning, I will say, I have admiration for their planning abilities via their various posting boards.
00:46:13.000I think that what it demonstrates is a couple things.
00:46:16.000One, there are a group of people who feel as though their questions are not being answered in mainstream fashion.
00:46:23.000And I think that because those questions are not being answered in mainstream fashion, they're looking for people to answer them in the worst possible ways.
00:46:31.000And that's a point Steven Pinker has made before.
00:46:34.000I think that it's incumbent on people in politics to give answers to questions, even if the questions happen to be based on bad ideas.
00:46:42.000With that said, what I'm concerned about and confused by is groups of people who pretend that opposition to the alt-right is somehow opposition to restrictions on immigration, or that opposition to the alt-right is somehow based on opposition to social conservatism.
00:47:57.000He says there are white separatists or white majoritarians masquerading as paleo-conservatives.
00:48:06.000Paleo-conservatives do believe in keeping a white majority.
00:48:11.000You know, Patrick Buchanan, it's actually interesting,
00:48:17.000If you go back to, I forget which one it was, but there was an American Renaissance conference, I think it was maybe 1992 or a little bit later, and there was a panel that was held on a book by Sam Francis, or rather, on a book by Pat Buchanan.
00:48:34.000It was about the book Death of the West.
00:48:42.000They did a panel on Pat Buchanan's book, Death of the West, and Sam Francis got up during this American Renaissance conference and he said that actually Patrick Buchanan was considering a different name for the book, Death of the West, and I'll find it for you.
00:49:02.000Sam Francis was, of course, Samuel Francis, if you don't know, Samuel T. Francis.
00:49:06.000He was a writer for the Washington Times in the 1990s, very prominent paleocon thinker, and he was a close confidant of Patrick Buchanan.
00:49:16.000And Patrick Buchanan sort of asked him for his advice on a couple of aspects of the book Death of the West.
00:49:23.000A few of the things that Pat Buchanan asked Sam Francis about is, number one, Patrick Buchanan asked Francis if he should cite Jared Taylor by name, because Patrick Buchanan brings up the color of crime in the book, Death of the West, and he asked Francis if he should cite Jared Taylor, if that would be too controversial.
00:49:44.000And he also asked about what the name of the book should be.
00:49:48.000And the original name of the book, Death of the West, was actually called, let me see if I can find it, it was actually called, The Death of Whitey, How Dying Populations and Immigrant Invasions Imperil Our Race and Civilization.
00:50:08.000That was the original title of Death of the West.
00:50:12.000You know, so let me pull it up on Amazon so people can see the cover and maybe you'll know what I'm talking about.
00:50:25.000By the way, Patrick Buchanan is THE Paleocon.
00:50:29.000He's right up there with Peter Brimelow, Sam Francis, Jared Taylor, and Paul Gottfried as the Paleocons.
00:50:44.000Obviously, obviously, Patrick Buchanan is right there.
00:50:48.000As the grandfather of America First, paleoconservatism.
00:50:52.000And this book, The Death of the West, How Dying Populations and Immigrant Invasions Imperil Our Country and Civilization, was originally supposed to be called The Death of Whitey, How Dying Populations and Immigration Imperils Our Race in Civilization.
00:51:09.000That was the original title, according to Sam Francis, something along those lines.
00:52:09.000He wrote, looking back over the history of a Western civilization, which we call great, were not the explorers who came out of Spain, Portugal, France, Holland, and England, all white supremacists.
00:52:28.000They conquered in the name of mother countries all the lands they discovered, imposed their rule upon the indigenous peoples, and vanquished and eradicated the native-born who stood in their way, who during the centuries-long discovery and conquest of the New World really believed that the lives of the indigenous peoples were of equal worth with those of the colonizers.
00:52:46.000They believed European man had the right to rule the world.
00:52:50.000Beginning in the 16th century, Western imperialists ruled much of what was called the civilized world.
00:52:55.000Was not the British Empire, one of the great civilizing forces in human history, a manifestation of British racial superiority?
00:53:03.000And if being a segregationist disqualifies one from being venerated in our brave new world, what do we do with Woodrow Wilson, who thought Birth of a Nation a splendid film, and who resegregated the U.S.
00:53:14.000In 1955, Prime Minister Churchill, imperialist to the core, urged his cabinet to consider the slogan, Keep England White.
00:53:21.000Nor is a belief in the superiority of one's race, religion, tribe, and culture unique to the West.
00:53:27.000What is unique, what is an experiment without precedent, is what we are about today.
00:53:31.000We have condemned and renounced the scarlet sins of the men who made America and embraced diversity, inclusivity, and equality.
00:53:38.000Our new America is to be a land where all races, tribes, creeds, and cultures congregate, are treated equally, and all move ever closer to an equality of results through the regular redistribution of opportunity, wealth, and power.
00:53:51.000We are going to become the first universal nation.
00:53:54.000All men are created equal is an ideological statement.
00:53:57.000Where is the scientific or historic proof for it?
00:53:59.000Are we building our utopia on a sandpile of ideology and hope?
00:54:17.000mainstream slash paleocon movement as opposed to what they are which is restrictions on immigration or that opposition to the alt-right is somehow based on opposition to social conservatism.
00:54:32.000These are very very distinct causes and very distinct philosophies and ideologies and and the fact that the alt-right is masquerading as sort of a mainstream slash paleocon movement as opposed to what they are which is
00:55:09.000You know, I choose to just say at this point that I think, you know, white identity might be important, right?
00:55:16.000I've never described myself as a white segregationist.
00:55:19.000I one time said I was white majoritarian.
00:55:21.000I think there should be a white majority in the United States.
00:55:24.000But in any case, whether you're white supremacist, white majoritarian, white separatist, well, the paleocon Patrick Buchanan had some interesting words to say about that.
00:55:34.000And he's gonna say that we are, we're masquerading.
00:57:17.000Well, and what is important to talk about, and you mentioned it briefly, is there are well-intentioned students that get caught up- This Charlie Kirk is such a bonehead.
00:57:27.000And, you know, the best is that you can tell how dishonest they are by the way that they talk.
00:57:32.000You can hear it in their voice, how phony it is.
00:57:34.000Try and stomach that aspect of it while we listen to this.
00:57:38.000Well, and there are students that have legitimate questions.
00:59:12.000For nearly two decades, one of the most overlooked and little-known arrests made in the aftermath of 9-11 was that of the so-called High Fivers, or the Dancing Israelis.
00:59:22.000However, new information released by the FBI on May 7th has brought fresh scrutiny to the possibility that the Dancing Israelis, at least two of whom were known Mossad operatives, had prior knowledge of the attacks on the World Trade Center.
00:59:40.000on the day of the attacks, just minutes after the first plane struck the World Trade Center, five men, later revealed to be Israeli nationals, had positioned themselves in the parking lot of the Doric apartment complex in Union City, New Jersey, where they were seen taking pictures and filming the attacks, while also celebrating the destruction of the towers and high-fiving each other.
01:00:00.000At least one eyewitness interviewed by the FBI had seen the Israeli van in the parking lot as early as 8 a.m.
01:00:05.000that day, more than 40 minutes prior to the attack.
01:00:11.000mainstream media at the time, but has since been largely forgotten.
01:00:15.000The men, Sivan Kersberg, Paul Kersberg, Oded Elner, Yaron Shemuel, and Omar Marmari, were subsequently apprehended by law enforcement and claimed to be Israeli tourists on a working holiday in the U.S.
01:00:28.000where they were employed by a moving company, Urban Moving Systems.
01:00:31.000Upon his arrest, Sivan Kersberg told the arresting officer, We are Israeli.
01:00:43.000The official story has been that these individuals, while they engaged in immature behavior by celebrating and being visibly happy in their documenting of the 9-11 attacks, had no prior knowledge of the attack.
01:00:55.000However, newly released FBI copies of the photos taken by the five Israelis strongly suggest that these individuals had prior knowledge of the attacks on the World Trade Center.
01:01:05.000The copies of the photos were obtained by a Freedom of Information Act request made by a private citizen who is immature.
01:01:13.000Anyway, this show is not about all of this, but, you know, it's funny.
01:01:18.000It's just funny that he brings that up.
01:01:21.000They were talking about dancing Israelis?
01:01:23.000Yeah, actually we were, and that's a legitimate thing to talk about.
01:01:26.000And the Levon Affair, and the USS Liberty, and all of it is all fair game.
01:01:31.000Well, some people might have legitimate... Do you see what that is, though?
01:02:11.000Meaning that I think that at the very beginning people didn't know sort of how to deal with it and then you started just answering questions as they came and, you know, I did the same thing.
01:02:19.000I gave the speech at Stanford where I went directly after them and just quoted them.
01:02:24.000And then just answered their questions.
01:02:26.000And their questions, which they have five or six of them that they would ask repeatedly, are not questions that are particularly difficult to answer, but they're questions that had not been answered specifically because they're very often badly motivated.
01:02:40.000And because they're badly motivated questions, which they have five or six of them, I think it collapsed is what they're talking about, yeah.
01:02:45.000Beyond evil, what they're insinuating.
01:02:49.000The fact that it was popping up the way it was as quickly as, and I was trying to tell people, um, and it obviously spread and, you know, and I think then it was obviously, you know, stamped out.
01:03:00.000I think more than stamped out, I think it collapsed as soon as it met the light of day.
01:04:09.000We carried on until the end of Charlie Kirk's tour.
01:04:12.000We covered, I think, every stop except for the one in the very beginning.
01:04:17.000Charlie Kirk's Culture War tour had, I think, like nine or ten events, and it got started on the second event, and we were presented every single one until the end, including the SAS conference.
01:04:29.000So I don't know, you know, and this is where the verbal trickery comes in.
01:05:10.000And in any case, you are afraid to talk about these things.
01:05:13.000The reason that they're afraid to talk about these things is not because they won't shut down somebody who wanders into one of their events.
01:05:19.000It's because they will not debate these things.
01:06:06.000What's the... I'm sorry, I'm missing it.
01:06:09.000Well Charlie, you say you're for American workers, but you promote an immigration policy that favors foreign workers, and this policy is more radical than Silicon Valley.
01:06:26.000Seems like a fine and fair question to me.
01:06:29.000Not every question was knocked out of the park, but for the most part, why did Charlie Kirk change his positions on immigration if they were bad questions?
01:06:37.000If they were not particularly good questions loaded with rotten fallacies in the middle, why did Charlie Kirk change two of his positions on immigration because as a direct consequence of those questions?
01:06:51.000The questions were so bad and fallacious that Charlie Kirk did a complete 180 on the F-1 and EB-5 visas and did a complete 180 on the number of legal immigrants who should be admitted every year.
01:07:08.000Because I have a feeling that if it was a totally fallacious, ill-intentioned, evil, and not particularly good question, Charlie Kirk wouldn't have went from saying, we should staple green cards to diplomas, to saying, I made a mistake, I no longer support that.
01:09:51.000And I am a legitimate immigration restrictionist, so now I'm alt-right.
01:09:55.000Ann Coulter's okay, and Ben Shapiro's okay when he talks about immigration restriction with her, but these guys are something else, they're alt-right.
01:10:04.000Malkin and I were friends for 20 years.
01:10:06.000I mean, like, it's not as though I've been friendly to the open borders position.
01:10:10.000But the attempt to conflate the two, it's a smart move by the alt-right, I mean, for them to sort of hide under the MAGA hat and say, well, we're the true MAGA-ites, or we're the true immigration restrictionists, and if you're really immigration- Let me pull up the tweet.
01:10:36.000Where's the tweet of me where I post all my pictures?
01:10:54.000Well, let's rewind the tape while I look at these pictures.
01:10:58.000But the attempt to conflate the two, it's a smart move by the alt-right, I mean, for them to sort of hide under the MAGA hat and say, well, we're the true MAGA-ite, or we're the true immigration restrictionists, and if you're really immigration restrictionists, then you should come along with us.
01:11:11.000But you're also gonna have to swallow this big pill about, you know, like, how racism is an effective tactic and a morally useful thing.
01:11:21.000Well, no, we're gonna have to go no on that.
01:13:34.000Restrictionist, and if you're really immigration restrictionist, then you should come along with us, but you're also gonna have to swallow this big pill about, you know, like how racism is an effective tactic and a morally useful thing.
01:13:49.000Oh, you know, we're the real immigration restrictionists because we are, we're the real Trump supporters because we are, but you have to swallow that racism is
01:14:26.000Well, no, we're gonna have to go no on that.
01:14:28.000And obviously separating students that have well-intentioned questions and all that, but the really hateful individuals that were doing this.
01:15:13.000Look, tribalism is unfortunately a natural human tendency, but what's great about founding ideology, and I think the ideology of Western civilization, is that it did cross those lines.
01:15:25.000So, when it comes to the... there was literally, out of all the Gruyper summits, there was one guy who said he was supporting Identity Europa.
01:15:33.000Which, by the way, Identity Europa doesn't exist anymore.
01:15:46.000They're like, oh, well, you can have questions about social conservatism.
01:15:50.000You can have questions about immigration.
01:15:52.000We're not afraid of talking about that.
01:15:54.000What's weird, because so far, talking about the Groyper Wars for seven minutes, you've only mentioned really like one thing, which is immigration, and a little bit about social conservatism.
01:16:03.000But they have never even mentioned the questions about foreign aid, foreign wars for Israel, anything like that.
01:16:11.000But in any case, out of all the questions we asked, there was like one guy who said he supported Identity Europa and a white ethnostate, and that guy was proven to be a literal plant.
01:16:21.000That was in North Carolina, we all remember.
01:16:24.000And the day after the North Carolina event, there was a guy who literally came out and said, oh take that Nick Fuentes, we blew up your thing, we're the Wignats.
01:16:33.000Wignats are the new, they're alt-right.
01:16:36.000I mean, they're literally, you know, we called the people that are in the alt-right wignats.
01:16:40.000Richard Spencer, TRS, all those characters.
01:16:43.000So literal, like, plants came forward the next day and said, ah, we took over that North Carolina event.
01:16:49.000So the one guy, but in any case, he also says identify Europa, and you want to know why he says that?
01:16:59.000He says identify Europa because if you google identity Europa, this is the first thing that comes up.
01:17:07.000If you look up identity Europa or identify Europa, this will come up.
01:17:12.000So let's rewind that just a bit because I think it's very important to point this out.
01:17:16.000Open some lunatic about trying to make this artificial group identity on skin color.
01:17:22.000In fact, it's collectivist in just a different form.
01:18:05.000Identify Europa is a network of anti-fascists.
01:18:09.000From coast to coast, they have collaborated in exposing members of the white supremacist gang Identity Europa, revealing an organization whose goal to include prioritizing monetary benefits based on membership.
01:18:23.000But the reason that he said Identify Europa is because literally he googled it.
01:19:28.000And these are not... In fact, one of the events that I did, one of the clips that went viral, I said, does anyone here, you know, support Identify Europa?
01:19:47.000Look, tribalism is unfortunately a natural... Which, by the way, none of us want a white ethnostate, and none of us have ever said that we want a white ethnostate, so... And that's, again, what they're doing is they'll take what one person says, you know, and make that symptomatic of what everybody says.
01:20:05.000Or indicative of what everybody says or believes.
01:20:07.000Well, one guy in North Carolina said he supports white ethnostate, even though nobody else did in the entire course of the thing, and none of the leaders did who were trying to defame.
01:20:18.000But that's the shady, underhanded, dishonest tax.
01:20:20.000What's great about accounting ideology, and I think the ideology of Western civilization, is that it did cross those lines, and it suggested that tribalism is not the answer to the ills that plague humanity.
01:20:31.000In fact, universal values that are applied through reason, and through basic Judeo-Christian morality,
01:20:39.000Those are applicable to anybody who wants to take part in them.
01:20:42.000That doesn't mean everybody wouldn't want to take part in them.
01:20:44.000It doesn't mean that everybody's going to leave their tribalism behind.
01:20:46.000And we have to fight against tribalism on all sides.
01:20:48.000But when you see the alt-right basically making common cause with the identity politics left, if you are a conservative, you have to say to yourself, well, something here is wrong.
01:21:01.000These, the fringe on the fringe of these people, and they make it seem as if, the media wants to make it as seem as if they're much bigger and much more popular.
01:22:19.000And the reason oftentimes it doesn't make sense to do the Q&A is not because we're not willing to talk about the questions, because we do.
01:22:26.000Sixty million impressions, by the way.
01:22:39.000So, we can have these people booed off the stage at UCLA, we can have them booed off the campus at Houston, we had people in Colorado, in Iowa, in New Hampshire, in Florida, in North Carolina, we had them in Texas, in Arizona, we had them in Tennessee.
01:23:00.000Those are like 20 people, this is the fringe of the fringe!
01:23:04.000Okay, well, we have people across the country show up in dozens.
01:24:14.000So, Breitbart, Ann Coulter, Milo Trump, Pat Buchanan, Ron Pauls, Mike Cernovich, Alan Bakari, Alex Jones, Jim Goh, Jerry Taylor, Spencer Brimelow, Vox, Joseph Soberon, VDare.
01:25:24.000We, the alt-right, we won't call ourselves that because we're hiding.
01:25:29.000We won't call ourselves that because we're masquerading.
01:25:32.000But we are proud of that label and we are trying to get Charlie Kirk to be labeled as alt-right so that people think we're all the alt-right so that everyone, excuse me, thinks that we have huge numbers and then they'll think that there's more of us than there are.
01:25:54.000And then, I don't know, and then that's when something's really gonna happen.
01:26:03.000And you realize that these people are just making things up.
01:26:06.000They're literally just making it up as they go along.
01:26:09.000Well, although they're not real Trump supporters.
01:26:11.000Well, it's okay to talk about immigration restriction, but not like that.
01:26:17.000They're saying they want immigration restriction, but they say let's have immigration restriction, but racism too.
01:26:24.000And actually the alt-right and the left are working together, yeah?
01:26:28.000And the alt-right and the media are working together, yeah?
01:26:30.000And they want the media to think you're alt-right.
01:26:34.000Which is why they're attacking you all the time.
01:26:39.000They're just making it up as they go along on this podcast and beyond.
01:26:46.000What the alt-right would like is for there to be mass confusion about what the term actually means so that they can make it seem as though it's more than five guys.
01:27:54.000They want everyone to think they're alt-right, which is why they don't call themselves that, and they say they're not, and they list substantive disagreements.
01:28:01.000They want people to think that we're all alt-right, which is why we attack them.
01:28:04.000You know, he says at the beginning, well I've been fighting the alt-right forever, they hate me.
01:28:08.000They want people to think I'm alt-right too!
01:28:13.000Even within this interview it doesn't make sense.
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01:29:19.000I'm a little worried about the direction of some of these conversations.
01:29:23.000Within the conservative circles, where it seems as if, and this is a little bit different than the alt-right, but more of kind of some of the proposals of the new right, which is we have to use the instruments of government power to correct some of the problems that the left has done in our culture and society.
01:29:38.000You did a very good podcast about this whole conversation about restricting pornography.
01:31:09.000They're patriots and everything, but I think their phase of the paleocon versus neocon war ended like 15 years ago, maybe even longer.
01:31:20.000And the difference is now, we've got a mass youth following.
01:31:23.000It's me, and it's the zoomers, and they're terrified of that, because I'm not going anywhere, and my young followers aren't going to go anywhere.
01:31:30.000We're young, and we're online, and we're on the campus.
01:31:33.000So they're just trying to get ahead of this as best as they can, you know, sweep it under the rug, but it's not going to work.
01:32:23.000Very simple, straightforward, you know, it's like a handful of questions.
01:32:27.000And like I said, we've already got like a dozen events in the works.
01:32:34.000We're, I got a team together that's handling this and we're putting dates on the calendar and making it happen and everything.
01:32:41.000So, we, I will be out there, we will carry on in other ways the Groyper War, this America First Students thing is taking off and might be spreading to other campuses.
01:32:51.000So, needless to say, the Groyper War has really only just begun.
01:32:56.000The Conservative War, the offensive against Conservative Inc.