America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - Groyper War 2: Conservative Inc Strikes Back | America First Episode 544

00:00:01.000 Yeah.

00:00:43.000 Not my words, not my rules.

00:00:47.000 I just enforce them, alright?

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00:02:33.000 This is from your biggest Protestant fan, may you one day see the light.

00:02:37.000 Well hey, thanks, love you too, but sorry, I believe in a religion that makes sense.

00:03:01.000 But as soon as people start playing games, I stop.

00:03:04.000 I stop playing games.

00:03:06.000 And at any moment, I can hit that A button.

00:03:57.000 Not my words, not my rules.

00:04:00.000 I just enforce them, alright?

00:04:14.000 Last time was God.

00:04:21.000 It's everything.

00:04:23.000 It's warming up.

00:04:24.000 Everybody dares to evolve.

00:04:50.000 I don't know.

00:05:29.000 This is from your biggest Protestant fan, may you one day see the light.

00:05:43.000 Well hey, thanks, love you too, but sorry, I believe in a religion that makes sense.

00:06:07.000 But as soon as you start playing games, I stop.

00:06:09.000 I stop playing games.

00:06:12.000 And at any moment...

00:06:41.000 Not my words, not my rules.

00:06:44.000 I just enforce them, alright?

00:06:50.000 Oh no!

00:07:28.000 Everything.

00:07:29.000 Warming up.

00:07:30.000 Everybody dare to evolve.

00:08:03.000 Hello everybody!

00:08:04.000 You are watching the America First bonus stream!

00:08:09.000 Afternoon bonus stream!

00:08:11.000 And we are hanging out, chilling, vibing.

00:08:15.000 As promised, we're doing a stream today.

00:08:17.000 A little bit later than I expected.

00:08:19.000 I was planning on doing it earlier, but some things came up.

00:08:23.000 I had to take care of some things behind the scenes.

00:08:26.000 and uh... run a couple errands but we are ready to go here locked and loaded and uh... title of the stream is groper war two conservative inc strikes back and there have been some murmurings there have been some whispers a specter you could say is haunting the united states of america groper war two and i have to tell ya this is something that i didn't even initiate

00:08:54.000 What I'm referring to in the title, and what we're going to be talking about today, is a conflict that is being renewed and reinitiated by Conservative Inc.

00:09:06.000 That's why the title of this stream is, Groyper War II, Conservative Inc.

00:09:11.000 Strikes Back.

00:09:13.000 Because certainly I have plans in the works for what the second leg of the Groyper War might look like, or further plans, but it is Conservative Inc.

00:09:25.000 which has fired a shot across the bow.

00:09:29.000 Is it the bow?

00:09:31.000 I don't know, I didn't graduate college.

00:09:36.000 Shot across the bow at the Groypers at America First, at Maine. 0.99

00:09:41.000 This really came on my radar like in the past couple of days.

00:09:46.000 First I saw this podcast, Ben Shapiro goes on Charlie Kirk, and they talk for like, I didn't listen to the whole thing, we're going to listen to it today.

00:09:57.000 But they talked for like at least 15 minutes about the so-called new alt-right, the Groypers, America First, all that.

00:10:06.000 And so that happened.

00:10:08.000 And then right after you get this hit piece on Jaden's organization, America First Students at Kansas State.

00:10:14.000 And I've seen some other things, all of which leads me to believe that they are in fact gearing up for another conflict in the same way that we are, which is actually going to make it more interesting.

00:10:26.000 You know, I think a lot of people anticipated or suspected that if we were going to carry on any kind of activities after the first leg of the Group Wars, that it would be the same thing.

00:10:37.000 It would just be us asking questions and going to the Q&As and...

00:10:42.000 I'm sure that Conservative Inc.

00:10:43.000 thinks the same thing, which is why they're anticipating.

00:10:46.000 They're anticipating what may happen next, but I don't think they're anticipating what's really going to happen next.

00:10:52.000 So, I think that they are trying to preempt us a little bit with the podcast, some of these hit pieces, and who knows?

00:10:59.000 I think Charlie Kirk goes back on tour at the end of this month, so...

00:11:04.000 You know, they have raised their army, they're ready, and they will meet us on the battlefield, and we will see them there as well!

00:11:12.000 We will gather our forces in a new and a different way this time, but we will be there too, to meet them, to match them.

00:11:21.000 But let me get some music going here while I'm gonna read through this article, and then we will listen to this podcast, and that should basically be the stream today.

00:11:32.000 But I've got to get some music going so that my headphones don't turn off.

00:11:36.000 So let me just get that started just so we're all together.

00:11:39.000 And I also want to put out there for everybody that I am currently not allowed to stream on YouTube.

00:11:49.000 So remember today... That's a little loud.

00:11:52.000 Today is going to be a big show.

00:11:54.000 It's the New Hampshire Primary tonight at 7 o'clock.

00:11:58.000 And I will only... That's still a little louder.

00:12:01.000 I will only be streaming on DLive because if you were watching the show last night, I got a second Community Guidelines strike in the middle of the show.

00:12:09.000 So I'm unable to stream on YouTube for at least two weeks.

00:12:14.000 Pending perhaps another Community Guidelines strike which would mean that my whole channel is banned.

00:12:20.000 So...

00:12:21.000 Anyway, with that out of the way, we will dive into this article.

00:12:24.000 Let me know how the audio is, if the music is too loud.

00:12:27.000 But we'll read through this, and then I can turn the music off, I think, and we'll listen to the podcast.

00:12:32.000 So, actually, you know what?

00:12:34.000 First of all, I should have done this before I went live.

00:12:37.000 I'm going to archive this.

00:12:50.000 Because we're gonna need that.

00:12:52.000 We're gonna need this, potentially.

00:12:54.000 Where's the archive.is?

00:12:55.000 Yeah, I'm gonna archive that real quick.

00:12:58.000 I just realized I forgot to do that.

00:13:00.000 Oh, it's already been archived, it looks like.

00:13:03.000 Okay.

00:13:03.000 Clean!

00:13:03.000 Okay.

00:13:19.000 So, this just dropped today, one o'clock, by Judy L. Thomas, who I was actually able to find on Spokio.

00:13:28.000 Judy L. Thomas in Kansas City, Kansas.

00:13:31.000 It says, Report white nationalists turn focus to college campuses with trial run of Kansas State.

00:13:39.000 Music is still too loud.

00:13:40.000 Okay, I'll turn it down.

00:13:41.000 Alright, let me know if that's okay.

00:13:47.000 So anyway, white nationalists turn focus to college campuses with trial run at Kansas State.

00:13:53.000 And this is totally dishonest because Jaden McNeil is not a white nationalist, and neither is anybody who they're claiming in this article, right?

00:14:01.000 They're claiming that me and Patrick Casey are white nationalists, which is not true.

00:14:06.000 But even if it were true, this is Jaden McNeil's organization on Kansas State, and Jaden is a campus conservative.

00:14:15.000 Anyway, it says the white nationalist movement, tarnished in the aftermath of Charlottesville, is repackaging its bigotry through a new mainstreaming strategy that focuses on college campuses and Trump supporters, according to a report released Tuesday by a national watchdog organization.

00:14:33.000 Its first test case, a new group at Kansas State, launched by a student whose former organization was the subject of protests on campus.

00:14:41.000 And, you know, by the way, this is what they have been saying forever.

00:14:47.000 When they used to talk about the alt-right, it was, the alt-right is the KKK repackaged.

00:14:55.000 And now that it's the Groipers, the Groipers are the alt-right repackaged.

00:14:59.000 And it's just a constant guilt by association, and of course it all goes back to the neo-Nazis.

00:15:04.000 Or it all goes back to the Nazis themselves.

00:15:07.000 You know, the skinheads are repackaging the Nazis, the alt-right is repackaging the skinheads, the groipers are repackaging the alt-right.

00:15:15.000 No.

00:15:16.000 The groipers are totally different. 1.00

00:15:17.000 We are America first.

00:15:19.000 I've never been a white nationalist.

00:15:20.000 I've never been alt-right.

00:15:22.000 You know.

00:15:23.000 They always bring up Charlottesville.

00:15:25.000 Oh, they were at Charlottesville.

00:15:26.000 They were at Charlottesville.

00:15:28.000 We've never been affiliated with Richard Spencer.

00:15:30.000 We've never been affiliated with David Duke or The Right Stuff or anything like that.

00:15:37.000 America First is totally its own thing.

00:15:40.000 Anyway.

00:15:41.000 It says, so it's first test case, da-da-da, known as GROIPER, the new marketing effort, marketing effort, is an attempt by white nationalists to rebrand under a banner that will unite what it describes, America First, conservatives, Christians, anti-globalists, and nationalists.

00:15:56.000 Yeah, in other words, not white nationalists, not neo-Nazis.

00:16:00.000 I don't understand the brazen lying, just lying through their teeth on this.

00:16:06.000 It's a marketing effort.

00:16:08.000 It's not a marketing effort. 0.99

00:16:10.000 We call them colloquially GROYPERS because they were like IRL shit posters. 0.99

00:16:15.000 But they're America First. 0.99

00:16:17.000 You know, the organization is called America First Students.

00:16:21.000 Our summit is called America First Pack.

00:16:23.000 The show is called America First.

00:16:25.000 So GROYPER was never about marketing or branding.

00:16:28.000 GROYPER was a colloquial term that we used on this show.

00:16:31.000 And then that the media was, oh we don't know, what does this mean?

00:16:34.000 Who are the GROYPERS?

00:16:40.000 We don't do marketing on the show.

00:16:43.000 Anyway.

00:16:45.000 You know, what would we be trying to market?

00:16:46.000 We're not trying to market anything.

00:16:49.000 Well, at least with that term.

00:16:50.000 It says, it will unite what it describes as America's first conservatives, Christians, anti-globalists, and nationalists.

00:16:56.000 Uh, yeah.

00:16:57.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:16:58.000 So in other words, completely legitimate, mainstream, conservative people.

00:17:03.000 Yeah, Christians, God forbid. 1.00

00:17:05.000 Anti-globalists, so like the President.

00:17:08.000 Nationalists, like the President.

00:17:10.000 All of these terms are things that the President describes himself as, and the President got 63 million votes in the election.

00:17:18.000 So, I don't understand how it's... Oh, they're repackaging white nationalism in the alt-right.

00:17:23.000 Well, what they really are is everything the president describes himself as.

00:17:27.000 Okay, that makes a lot of sense.

00:17:28.000 Whoops.

00:17:31.000 We'll look at this link in a moment.

00:17:32.000 This is even more disgusting, this report by the Institute for Research and Education on Human Rights.

00:17:40.000 It says,

00:17:41.000 Leading the effort, the report says, are two activists who promoted and participated in the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia.

00:17:48.000 The gathering ended with a white nationalist plowing his car into a group of counter-protesters, killing one.

00:17:54.000 Which we are not.

00:17:55.000 It's two activists who promoted and participated in.

00:17:58.000 Yeah, I was technically at the Unite the Right rally and I know Patrick Casey was too.

00:18:04.000 It's true that we're trying to create coalitions on campuses, but this is a benign activity.

00:18:26.000 The thing is that they're saying that we're replacing the label of the alt-right, which is not true.

00:18:32.000 We fought against the alt-right and we continue to fight against the alt-right to this day.

00:18:37.000 We have fought to differentiate ourselves from the alt-right.

00:18:40.000 And the differentiation is not arbitrary or trivial.

00:18:45.000 You know, if you've been watching my show or been watching these streams for the past three years, three years on last Wednesday, I think,

00:18:54.000 You understand that it's not a question of, we're just taking the alt-right label and replacing it.

00:18:59.000 The guy that coined the term alt-right, Richard Spencer, we have substantive disagreements.

00:19:04.000 The only difference is, our disagreement with the alt-right is not like, they're bad guys, they're whatever.

00:19:11.000 It's like, no, they are a legitimate faction on the political right, and here are the areas where we are not in alignment.

00:19:20.000 And that's the rub.

00:19:23.000 If you say you're not alt-right, from our side, what do our people tell us?

00:19:27.000 If I say I'm not alt-right, I've disavowed the alt-right. 1.00

00:19:31.000 Well, they'll say you're cucking, you're cucking. 0.98

00:19:33.000 Well, that's not true. 0.94

00:19:34.000 We're not saying the same thing that the media is, and we're also not differentiating ourselves just for the benefit of the media.

00:19:41.000 We're differentiating ourselves because we are different.

00:19:44.000 You know, the alt-right, if you look at its main proponents, people like Spencer and the right stuff, and even a lot of the new European right type people, they are progressive, they are liberal or post-liberal, they're definitely post-American.

00:19:58.000 You could even say they're post-nationalist.

00:20:00.000 They're not religious, they're not Christian. 0.99

00:20:03.000 You know, all of that is set against what we represent, which is true, excuse me, truly conservative, truly reactionary, Christian. 0.85

00:20:11.000 In particular, there's a strong Catholic faction on our side.

00:20:16.000 We are not post-American.

00:20:18.000 We are American nationalists.

00:20:20.000 And we're also not liberals.

00:20:21.000 You know, like I said, we're true reactionaries.

00:20:23.000 So, you know, you could say whatever you want about the two groups, but they're not the same.

00:20:28.000 You know, you could say, as an alt-right person, as an America First person, or as a non-biased, unbiased bystander, that the two are substantially different.

00:20:40.000 And this is the argument that they've been making, and which Charlie Kirk and Shapiro are gonna make.

00:20:45.000 We're good to go.

00:21:01.000 But the problems are universal.

00:21:03.000 All right-wing people, ostensibly right-wing people in America, are talking about the same problems, which is the problem of immigration, the problem of globalism.

00:21:14.000 I mean, you've got everybody from the president, and even, by the way, people on the left, even people on the progressive left talking about this stuff, all the way through to the alt-right. 0.94

00:21:24.000 So to say because we talk about the same subjects makes us the same is just about the most ignorant thing you could possibly say.

00:21:31.000 But that's the crux of this report that was done by this, you know, Human Rights Whatever, and this article.

00:21:38.000 That's the main thrust of it, which is it's a repackage.

00:21:41.000 It just took the name.

00:21:43.000 It's like, no, we've been feuding with all those people for years.

00:21:47.000 And somebody says in the chat, they're mostly feminists. 1.00

00:21:50.000 Yeah, there's another distinction.

00:21:52.000 So, and by the way, I don't say to distinguish

00:21:55.000 To clarify, I'm not saying that we're different.

00:22:02.000 With anticipating that the media would leave us alone.

00:22:05.000 Because that's what people used to say for years.

00:22:09.000 Even when I started, after Charlottesville, when I started to say, you know, these guys are trouble, alt-right is not really where we are, the common criticism from the right was, oh, you're just cucking for the media.

00:22:21.000 Oh, you're just saying you're not alt-right for the media.

00:22:24.000 We even heard that from the alt-right, from

00:22:28.000 You know, people who are adjacent to our side or our faction.

00:22:33.000 People say, oh, the only reason you don't describe yourself as alt-right is you think the media won't go after you.

00:22:38.000 Well, that's not true.

00:22:39.000 The media goes after everybody.

00:22:41.000 They go after Turning Point.

00:22:42.000 They go after Ben Shapiro.

00:22:43.000 They go after Steven Crowder.

00:22:44.000 They go after Turning Point in this article.

00:22:47.000 So it's not a matter of that.

00:22:48.000 It's just a matter of distinction.

00:22:50.000 You know, I don't say I'm not a member of Turning Point USA.

00:22:53.000 To please the media.

00:22:55.000 I'm not a member of Turning Point USA, in the same way that I don't say I'm not alt-right.

00:22:59.000 If I was alt-right, I would say it.

00:23:01.000 And I don't not say it because I want the media to... I mean, they'll go after me no matter what, but it's just because it's different, because it's distinct.

00:23:11.000 Anyway.

00:23:12.000 It says, those are the two main... where were we?

00:23:16.000 Okay, here.

00:23:17.000 It says, this is an attempt to replace the Alt-Right, says Devin Burghardt, Executive Director of the Institute and co-author of the 64-page report, From Alt-Right to Groyper, White Nationalists Rebrand.

00:23:30.000 It's a rebranding, yeah, not true at all.

00:23:32.000 Those are the two main targets of recruitment for them right now.

00:23:36.000 Recruitment!

00:23:38.000 I love how when literally anybody else engages in political activity, that's legitimate, that's our democracy at work, but when we try to spread our ideas, it's recruitment!

00:23:49.000 We're recruiting! 0.97

00:23:50.000 I don't know what the fuck that means. 0.97

00:23:54.000 I don't run an organization, I do a show on YouTube. 0.99

00:23:57.000 He's recruiting people!

00:24:00.000 Okay, you know, in the same way that Bernie Sanders is recruiting people and, you know, Pete Buttigieg is recruiting people today in New Hampshire.

00:24:07.000 They're recruiting!

00:24:09.000 Those are the targets of their recruitment!

00:24:11.000 Uh, yeah, we want to convince people that we're right about politics.

00:24:15.000 That's kind of this vaunted idea of democracy that you guys love so much.

00:24:21.000 It says the strategy will have its trial run at Kansas State, where the formation of a new organization was announced last month.

00:24:27.000 The first meeting was January 28th.

00:24:33.000 America First Students is led by Jaden McNeil, former president of the Kansas State chapter of Turning Point USA, blah blah blah.

00:24:42.000 A Kansas State spokeswoman said Tuesday the university would review the report and get back to the star with a response.

00:24:48.000 And this is what, at the end of the day, this is about.

00:24:52.000 Now, McNeil could not immediately be reached for comment on Tuesday at the time of protests.

00:24:57.000 He said he wished the two sides could come to an understanding.

00:24:59.000 Instead of having a protest, I wish they could come and discuss our differences.

00:25:04.000 Okay, so this is about something that happened, like, years ago.

00:25:07.000 Anyway.

00:25:08.000 It says, now the report says McNeil has joined forces with Nick Fuentes and Pat Casey, whom the Institute describes as white nationalists.

00:25:14.000 Which is not true.

00:25:16.000 Which Patrick Casey even explicitly did a Twitter thread, like,

00:25:21.000 Uh, two or three months ago.

00:25:24.000 Detailing exactly how he is not a white nationalist.

00:25:27.000 And, uh, I've never been a white nationalist.

00:25:30.000 Fuentes is a far-right YouTuber and podcaster, and Casey is head of the American Identity Movement.

00:25:35.000 Fuentes and Casey announced the formation of America First Students at a Groyper Leadership Summit.

00:25:40.000 This is just literally a lie.

00:25:43.000 The America First Students didn't even start until January.

00:25:47.000 I don't

00:26:01.000 Jayden dissolved the Turning Point chapter, but America First Students wasn't announced until Kansas State got back from winter break in January.

00:26:10.000 So this is just factually wrong. 0.99

00:26:12.000 This is just a fucking lie. 0.99

00:26:14.000 This is just a straight-up, verifiable, demonstrable lie. 1.00

00:26:19.000 You're a fucking liar. 1.00

00:26:22.000 What's her name? 1.00

00:26:24.000 Yeah, Judy Thomas in Kansas City. 0.70

00:26:27.000 Who you can see in white pages. 1.00

00:26:29.000 He's a fucking liar. 1.00

00:26:31.000 Just a straight up, and it's an easy, it's an easy fact check. 1.00

00:26:35.000 You can go and watch the Groyper Leadership Summit video.

00:26:39.000 We did not announce America First Students then, because we didn't even think of a name at that point.

00:26:45.000 We were discussing the creation of this, and we gave Jayden some advice, and we gave him some pointers and everything, and you know, a group of people, right-wing people involved in the Groyper Wars, had some input in this.

00:26:58.000 Michelle Malkin included, by the way.

00:27:00.000 We didn't even know what we were going to call this, what direction it was going to take, anything like that.

00:27:06.000 I don't think he'd even filed the paperwork at that point for this organization.

00:27:11.000 And they're saying, oh, they announced, where is it?

00:27:15.000 Fuentes and Casey announced the formation.

00:27:17.000 That didn't happen!

00:27:18.000 That is a lie!

00:27:21.000 Anyway, it says Groyper is the name of a far-right meme based on a cartoon toad, co-opted by Whitenail, of course.

00:27:30.000 From day one, the Groypers have been as slippery as the toad for which they are named. 1.00

00:27:34.000 Please, coming from literal liars. 1.00

00:27:37.000 These people are scum. 1.00

00:27:39.000 And that's always... It's the same old... They cry out in pain as they strike you. 1.00

00:27:44.000 Slippery as the toad for which they are named.

00:27:47.000 That is literally the opposite of what is happening.

00:27:50.000 We are the most straightforward, upfront, brazen, overt... You know, we go and confront these people whenever we see them.

00:27:59.000 Will Sommers, Jared Holtz... And it's them!

00:28:02.000 It's they that slither away and then type on their computer lies.

00:28:07.000 Yeah, we're slippery. 1.00

00:28:08.000 You're the fucking slippery rat. 1.00

00:28:10.000 Fucking rat. 1.00

00:28:11.000 Charles Tanner. 1.00

00:28:12.000 Scum. 0.90

00:28:13.000 As part of their strategy to become more mainstream, the report says the Groipers are holding an America First political action conference in Washington, D.C. 0.90

00:28:22.000 As part of their strategy to become more mainstream.

00:28:24.000 Yeah, please.

00:28:26.000 Last month, Fuentes congratulated Neil.

00:28:29.000 Factual.

00:28:32.000 Flintus and Casey could not be reached for comment.

00:28:41.000 We never got asked for comment!

00:28:44.000 Flintus and Casey could not be reached for comment, but if denied being white nationalists... Yeah, we were not reached for comment at all.

00:28:51.000 Could not be reached.

00:28:51.000 Didn't even try.

00:28:54.000 What's her name again?

00:28:55.000 Let's get back on the name.

00:28:57.000 Judy L. Thomas.

00:29:00.000 Let me just put that in my notes.

00:29:05.000 Judy Thomas.

00:29:07.000 Judy.

00:29:10.000 Anyway, where are we?

00:29:25.000 Such as what views?

00:29:26.000 What could be described as white nationalist?

00:29:29.000 Flintus and Casey both represent this new generation of white nationalists.

00:29:33.000 It's a whole new ballgame.

00:29:35.000 These aren't millennials.

00:29:35.000 This is white nationalism.

00:29:38.000 And this is what Michelle Malkin said the other day on Telegram.

00:29:41.000 It's the point-and-stutter strategy.

00:29:43.000 Oh, look!

00:29:45.000 There!

00:29:46.000 Anyone would recognize it!

00:29:48.000 It's new generation! 1.00

00:29:50.000 There's no substance to this.

00:29:52.000 This is just... It's literally lies and scaremongering.

00:29:56.000 Literally, it's lies.

00:29:57.000 Things that are not true.

00:30:00.000 And scaremongering.

00:30:03.000 And name-calling.

00:30:05.000 Let's see.

00:30:06.000 McNeil has described America First Students as a campus conservative organization defined by our support for closed borders, traditional families, the American worker, and Christian values.

00:30:14.000 Conservative Inc.

00:30:15.000 has brainwashed many students into believing that globalist policies constitute conservatism when clearly they do not.

00:30:23.000 America First students would advocate for the broader goal of defending America against globalism, affirming the vision laid out by President Trump in his inaugural address.

00:30:32.000 The organization plans to start chapters at other universities.

00:30:35.000 We're focusing on Kansas State and then branching out to other campuses.

00:30:40.000 And then I'm doing a college tour.

00:30:42.000 It's too soon to tell whether America First Students is a white nationalist organization.

00:30:46.000 They're promoting an agenda aligned with white nationalism.

00:30:49.000 But given that they're participating in the large Groyper activity, it's a sign for concern.

00:30:55.000 So it's concern trolling. 0.95

00:30:59.000 Totally disgusting. 0.92

00:31:00.000 And this stuff just, like, disgusts me to my core. 0.53

00:31:03.000 It's like, I get this stuff all day long, but Jaden is somebody who's literally done nothing wrong, and they're running this hit piece, and they bring up Charlottesville, and Heather Heyer getting killed.

00:31:13.000 Heather Heyer getting killed is like the new Holocaust.

00:31:17.000 Or the new slavery, or the new whatever.

00:31:20.000 This is an article, ostensibly, about a campus conservative organization on Kansas State, and they find a way to tie it into Heather Heyer.

00:31:29.000 Which, by the way, I had nothing to do with any of the organizers of Charlottesville, the speakers, the organization that the guy driving the car was a part of.

00:31:40.000 Well, it's like, you know, seven degrees of separation.

00:31:43.000 Well, Jaden is friends with Nick, and Nick is friends with Patrick, and Patrick and Nick were at Charlottesville, and other people at Charlottesville did this three years ago.

00:31:53.000 And therefore, what is the headline?

00:31:55.000 White Nationalists Turn Focus to Campuses with Trial Run. 0.69

00:31:59.000 And they could say, oh, well, we're not calling them white nationalists, but that's exactly what Judy Thomas is doing. 1.00

00:32:06.000 Fucking old bitch. 1.00

00:32:07.000 Old bag. 1.00

00:32:08.000 Look at this disgusting liar. 1.00

00:32:11.000 I swear, these people make me sick. 1.00

00:32:12.000 People should go up to this person with a camera in her face and ask her about these lies. 1.00

00:32:18.000 Somebody should go up to her, and not in a violent way, not in an intimidating way, but just like these scumbags do and say, hey, Judy Thomas, these people should never get a break. 0.97

00:32:28.000 Why did you lie about Jade McNeil? 0.97

00:32:29.000 Why did you lie about America First? 0.97

00:32:32.000 Why are you a liar? 0.98

00:32:33.000 Why do you write lies? 0.99

00:32:35.000 Why do you write libel for a living?

00:32:38.000 You said in this article that America First Student was announced at the Goyper Summit.

00:32:42.000 Why did you lie about that?

00:32:43.000 Why did you make that up?

00:32:45.000 Why are you trying to smear a 21-year-old conservative?

00:32:50.000 What's wrong with you?

00:32:51.000 Is that what a responsible journalist does?

00:32:53.000 Does the Kansas City Star promote libel?

00:32:55.000 Why are people like this not ever held accountable for this?

00:32:59.000 And I'll tell you what, I think in this case they will be held accountable.

00:33:02.000 I've heard that Jayden is talking to lawyers about this because this is like a clear-cut, this is a clear-cut case of libel.

00:33:10.000 Just straight up, that's what it is.

00:33:13.000 There's no way around that.

00:33:14.000 It's just straight up lies.

00:33:16.000 And they're malicious lies, too.

00:33:18.000 These are not benign lies.

00:33:21.000 These are lies that are designed to hurt Jaden McNeil as a person.

00:33:25.000 This is designed to get people to harass Jaden McNeil. 0.98

00:33:28.000 They know full well when they write this stuff.

00:33:30.000 The intention here is so that people will intimidate and harass Jaden.

00:33:35.000 They're going to tattle on him to the school and write these lies so the school shuts down the organization.

00:33:40.000 These are very bad people.

00:33:42.000 And their lies have consequences.

00:33:47.000 Not really.

00:33:47.000 The music's not really fitting the mood here.

00:33:51.000 But, um, so yeah.

00:33:53.000 So that's Jude.

00:33:54.000 What's her name?

00:33:54.000 Judy Thomas.

00:33:57.000 Really just gross, gross stuff. 0.94

00:33:59.000 These people are unscrupulous. 0.54

00:34:01.000 They think they're good people.

00:34:02.000 That's a thing.

00:34:03.000 They think they're like the best, nice people.

00:34:05.000 They're not. 1.00

00:34:06.000 You're a liar! 1.00

00:34:07.000 Okay. 1.00

00:34:08.000 Well, that's the article.

00:34:09.000 Let's listen to the podcast by... Somebody's linking a tweet by Michelle Malkin.

00:34:14.000 Did Michelle Malkin tweet about it?

00:34:29.000 I'm on Jayden's timeline.

00:34:30.000 I'll check and see.

00:34:32.000 Here we go.

00:34:35.000 Jayden says, this journalist reached out for comment just one hour before publishing this thoroughly libelous hit piece.

00:34:41.000 This is disgusting and the KC star should be ashamed of malpractice.

00:34:45.000 This is part of a coordinated campaign to silence America First conservatives.

00:34:48.000 Yeah, totally true.

00:34:50.000 Everybody retweet this, by the way.

00:34:53.000 I'll try to put this link in chat.

00:34:55.000 I don't know if I can post links.

00:34:58.000 Yeah, so put that in chat.

00:34:59.000 And we got Malkin.

00:35:01.000 So true.

00:35:02.000 And, you know, Michelle Malkin is really, like, critical in all of this.

00:35:05.000 We are so lucky to have her in the movement.

00:35:07.000 And I'm not blowing smoke.

00:35:27.000 You know me.

00:35:28.000 I'm not very, uh... When it comes to compliments and kind words, I... Regrettably, I should probably be more kind, but I use them quite sparingly.

00:35:39.000 But Michelle Malkin is really so critical to what we're doing with America First because everybody recognizes that her character is unimpeachable when it comes to

00:35:56.000 We're good to go.

00:36:16.000 We're good to go.

00:36:39.000 And that's why she's so important, because with somebody like me or somebody like Jaden or Patrick, people that aren't as well-known, it's very easy to smear people like that.

00:36:48.000 If you're not as well-known, you don't have a track record, obviously the people with the bigger media guns can create the narrative.

00:36:56.000 With somebody like Michelle Malkin who's stepping up, and she's got so much integrity to defend what's right here, are they going to now turn and say, oh, Michelle Malkin's

00:37:06.000 This evil alt-right, how absurd is that?

00:37:08.000 She was in the tea party.

00:37:09.000 She's been around for 20 years doing this America First stuff.

00:37:16.000 Anyway, we're going to listen to the podcast here.

00:37:22.000 The Charlie Kirk podcast.

00:37:24.000 Let me see, did anybody else put anything out?

00:37:26.000 Let me check my timeline.

00:37:30.000 Somebody says even Coulter wouldn't throw her hat in like Malkin has.

00:37:33.000 Yeah.

00:37:34.000 Yeah, and that was disappointing that Anna Coulter didn't, but, you know... That's okay.

00:37:39.000 That's okay.

00:37:40.000 We can make do without her.

00:37:41.000 But, uh, anyway... Okay, so it looks like that was, uh...

00:38:03.000 Oh, America First Conservatives just got banned?

00:38:05.000 Yeah, okay, see?

00:38:06.000 I told ya, it's, uh, it's happening.

00:38:09.000 Conservative Inc.

00:38:10.000 strikes back! 0.99

00:38:12.000 Who's that?

00:38:19.000 Okay.

00:38:20.000 We're gonna listen to the podcast.

00:38:22.000 That's okay.

00:38:23.000 That's okay, we're gonna win.

00:38:25.000 These people lie, they're unscrupulous, they think their smear tactics will work, but we are better than they are.

00:38:32.000 We're smarter, we're stronger, more resilient. 0.98

00:38:35.000 We're gonna crush them.

00:38:37.000 But let's see, we've got... What do we have?

00:38:40.000 We have a Ninjet, actually, in chat. 0.92

00:38:43.000 A Ninjet.

00:38:46.000 Jay Roch versus Manicka, Khan Inc.

00:38:48.000 and Alt-Right are bogus boners from your favorite leaf.

00:38:51.000 Well, hey, thank you so much for the Ninjet.

00:38:52.000 Really appreciate it.

00:38:54.000 And big agree on the message.

00:38:56.000 We've got some Ninjaginis as well.

00:38:58.000 Tanju says, thanks for the content.

00:39:00.000 Yeah, no problem, buddy.

00:39:03.000 Maxxie Bros says, one lemon in chat equals one groiping.

00:39:06.000 Yes, yes, lemons in chat.

00:39:08.000 Billy Mays says, in my opinion, Khan Inc is just too late at this point. 0.99

00:39:11.000 Their tactics only work on dumb Gen Xers. 0.99

00:39:14.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:39:15.000 They have totally lost.

00:39:17.000 It's over before it's begun.

00:39:18.000 Trust me on that.

00:39:21.000 GS senses these attacks will get more frequent and more vicious.

00:39:24.000 Keep your head up, King.

00:39:25.000 My head is held up high.

00:39:28.000 I'm doing the...

00:39:32.000 What's the Bobby Shmurda dance?

00:39:33.000 What is that?

00:39:36.000 What do they call that when Bobby Shmurda does a dance in that video?

00:39:42.000 I forget what it's called.

00:39:43.000 So yeah, my head is held up high.

00:39:54.000 Schmoney! 0.68

00:39:55.000 The Schmoney Dance! 0.90

00:39:56.000 We're doing the Schmoney Dance! 0.96

00:39:57.000 Yeah, cause we're gonna win.

00:39:59.000 I have complete and total confidence.

00:40:01.000 We have God on our side at the end of the day.

00:40:07.000 We're doing the Schmoney Dance. 0.60

00:40:11.000 Roypers are doing the Schmoney Dance. 0.98

00:40:15.000 Alright, I'll bring down the volume here.

00:40:18.000 And we'll listen to our podcast.

00:40:19.000 Actually, I'll turn off the music while we listen to the podcast.

00:40:23.000 So, if you guys didn't catch it, Ben Shapiro went on the Charlie Kirk podcast and they talked about the groipers for like 10 minutes or so.

00:40:31.000 So, we're gonna take a listen, see what they have to say about us.

00:40:37.000 Let's see, where's our... Here we go.

00:40:42.000 Thank you for listening to this Podcast One production.

00:40:44.000 Now available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, PodcastOne.com, and anywhere else you get your podcasts.

00:40:49.000 Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, I sit down with the great and the legendary Ben Shapiro.

00:40:55.000 We talk all things alt-right, common good conservatives versus natural rights and limited government conservatives, and the fate of neoliberalism.

00:41:04.000 I touch a lot of this on our podcast, so you guys can email us, always freedom at charliekirk.com, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:41:11.000 By the way, I should add, nobody listens to this podcast.

00:41:16.000 I should throw it out there that I don't know anybody that listens to this podcast and it's actually hard for me to imagine that people are tuning in reliably to Podcast One.

00:41:29.000 That's a thing that you gotta recognize with Charlie Kirk.

00:41:31.000 His entire following is completely astroturfed and basically not real.

00:41:37.000 You know what I mean?

00:41:38.000 Like, uh, I don't believe there are many people out there that are, like, diehard, like, Charlie fans.

00:41:45.000 If Charlie Kirk was just tweeting about, like, his lifestyle, I don't think anybody would really care.

00:41:49.000 Uh, anyway, let's continue.

00:41:52.000 So touch on this on my upcoming book, MAGA Doctrine.

00:41:55.000 Pre-order your copy today found on Amazon and your book provider.

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00:42:03.000 You guys are going to love this exclusive conversation with the great Ben Shapiro.

00:42:07.000 But before we go any further, make sure you're subscribed to The Charlie Kirk Show.

00:42:10.000 Type in Charlie Kirk Show to your podcast provider right now.

00:42:13.000 Take out your phone, Charlie Kirk Show, press that subscribe button, leave us a five-star rating, and enjoy this exclusive

00:42:22.000 Give him a one-star.

00:42:23.000 Yeah, pull it up and instead give him a one-star rating.

00:42:26.000 Can I get iTunes, podcast on browser, I wonder?

00:42:52.000 I wonder if this will take me to the podcast.

00:42:54.000 Maybe not.

00:42:55.000 Maybe I'm doing it wrong.

00:42:57.000 Well, like Charlie said, pull your phone out.

00:43:00.000 I'll do it on my phone, actually.

00:43:03.000 Pull your phone out.

00:43:04.000 Let's give him a one-star rating.

00:43:06.000 I'll pull it up on Apple Podcasts.

00:43:09.000 It's Groyper time. 0.95

00:43:10.000 Groyper time.

00:43:13.000 The first action of Groyper War 2.

00:43:17.000 Search Charlie Kirk Show.

00:43:19.000 There it is.

00:43:19.000 Bing bong.

00:43:21.000 okay Charlie Kirk and let's he's got 10,000 ratings that's gonna be hard to beat actually but we're gonna go in there that's why we need all hands on deck we give them a rating without subscribing oh yeah here we go okay I just gave him a one-star rating can I do less than one star well there's my rating I'm leaving a one-star rating

00:43:51.000 And I'm going to write a review.

00:43:52.000 Do I have to sign in?

00:43:55.000 No, I don't.

00:43:55.000 Okay.

00:43:56.000 My review is going to say, GROIPER, and the review says, Get GROIPED. 1.00

00:44:04.000 Lying scum. 1.00

00:44:05.000 Okay, get GROIPED. 1.00

00:44:09.000 And, uh, I'm going to send that.

00:44:11.000 My nickname, Nick Fuentes.

00:44:16.000 Nickname was taken!

00:44:19.000 Ah!

00:44:19.000 Nick J. Fuentes.

00:44:21.000 How's that?

00:44:23.000 Okay.

00:44:25.000 Feedback sent.

00:44:31.000 So we're leaving a one star review.

00:44:32.000 Boom! 0.99

00:44:33.000 Just happened on iTunes.

00:44:35.000 Alright!

00:44:37.000 Let's get into it now.

00:44:39.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks!

00:44:43.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:44:43.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:44:45.000 His spirit, his love of this country.

00:44:46.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

00:44:53.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:45:02.000 That's why we are here.

00:45:03.000 Ben, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:45:05.000 Hey, thanks for having me.

00:45:05.000 Quite an honor.

00:45:06.000 I appreciate it.

00:45:07.000 So, I guess everyone is hearing and looking at the public enemy number one and two of the alt-right from this last semester.

00:45:14.000 Yeah, that's good times, sir.

00:45:14.000 By the way... What are you making?

00:45:15.000 Welcome to the party, pal.

00:45:17.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:45:18.000 By the way, that's the introduction.

00:45:21.000 Doesn't it show you how rent-free we are that Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk sit down in February?

00:45:30.000 In February!

00:45:33.000 A month and a half, I want to say, after the fact.

00:45:36.000 A little bit later than that, maybe something like six or seven weeks after the turning point SAS.

00:45:44.000 And the first thing they say, public enemies of the alt-right!

00:45:47.000 So, uh, geez, what do you make of all that, especially in the last months?

00:45:51.000 I mean, you've been battling the alt-right and, you know, this kind of... Well, it's been years long.

00:45:56.000 From where I sit, it's been going on for a while, right?

00:45:59.000 I mean, they've been targeting me since 2015, 2016.

00:46:02.000 And the resurgence was sort of surprising.

00:46:04.000 Yeah, it was a little unexpected.

00:46:05.000 Yeah, and the planning, I will say, I have admiration for their planning abilities via their various posting boards.

00:46:13.000 I think that what it demonstrates is a couple things.

00:46:16.000 One, there are a group of people who feel as though their questions are not being answered in mainstream fashion.

00:46:23.000 And I think that because those questions are not being answered in mainstream fashion, they're looking for people to answer them in the worst possible ways.

00:46:31.000 And that's a point Steven Pinker has made before.

00:46:33.000 I think it's exactly right.

00:46:34.000 I think that it's incumbent on people in politics to give answers to questions, even if the questions happen to be based on bad ideas.

00:46:42.000 With that said, what I'm concerned about and confused by is groups of people who pretend that opposition to the alt-right is somehow opposition to restrictions on immigration, or that opposition to the alt-right is somehow based on opposition to social conservatism.

00:47:00.000 But that's literally what it is.

00:47:01.000 But that's literally what it is.

00:47:03.000 That's exactly what it is.

00:47:04.000 We are not the alt-right.

00:47:06.000 We are immigration restrictionists and social conservatives.

00:47:09.000 So he's saying that, well, they're trying to conflate opposition to the alt-right with opposition to these things.

00:47:14.000 It's like it's the opposite.

00:47:16.000 You are conflating immigration restriction and social conservatism with the alt-right.

00:47:22.000 That's completely wrong.

00:47:23.000 That's a lie.

00:47:23.000 I mean, these are very, very distinct philosophies and ideologies.

00:47:27.000 And the fact that the alt-right is masquerading as sort of a mainstream slash paleocon movement as opposed to what they are, which is

00:47:40.000 Paleoconservatism is white majoritarian.

00:47:49.000 Notice how he threw that in there, because I've described myself as a white majoritarian in the past.

00:47:54.000 Notice how he threw that in there.

00:47:55.000 These are very different things.

00:47:57.000 He says there are white separatists or white majoritarians masquerading as paleo-conservatives.

00:48:06.000 Paleo-conservatives do believe in keeping a white majority.

00:48:11.000 You know, Patrick Buchanan, it's actually interesting,

00:48:17.000 If you go back to, I forget which one it was, but there was an American Renaissance conference, I think it was maybe 1992 or a little bit later, and there was a panel that was held on a book by Sam Francis, or rather, on a book by Pat Buchanan.

00:48:34.000 It was about the book Death of the West.

00:48:38.000 So maybe it was probably then.

00:48:39.000 It was later than 1992, obviously.

00:48:42.000 They did a panel on Pat Buchanan's book, Death of the West, and Sam Francis got up during this American Renaissance conference and he said that actually Patrick Buchanan was considering a different name for the book, Death of the West, and I'll find it for you.

00:49:00.000 As I wrote it down somewhere.

00:49:02.000 Sam Francis was, of course, Samuel Francis, if you don't know, Samuel T. Francis.

00:49:06.000 He was a writer for the Washington Times in the 1990s, very prominent paleocon thinker, and he was a close confidant of Patrick Buchanan.

00:49:16.000 And Patrick Buchanan sort of asked him for his advice on a couple of aspects of the book Death of the West.

00:49:23.000 A few of the things that Pat Buchanan asked Sam Francis about is, number one, Patrick Buchanan asked Francis if he should cite Jared Taylor by name, because Patrick Buchanan brings up the color of crime in the book, Death of the West, and he asked Francis if he should cite Jared Taylor, if that would be too controversial.

00:49:44.000 And he also asked about what the name of the book should be.

00:49:48.000 And the original name of the book, Death of the West, was actually called, let me see if I can find it, it was actually called, The Death of Whitey, How Dying Populations and Immigrant Invasions Imperil Our Race and Civilization. 0.99

00:50:08.000 That was the original title of Death of the West.

00:50:12.000 You know, so let me pull it up on Amazon so people can see the cover and maybe you'll know what I'm talking about.

00:50:25.000 By the way, Patrick Buchanan is THE Paleocon. 0.94

00:50:29.000 He's right up there with Peter Brimelow, Sam Francis, Jared Taylor, and Paul Gottfried as the Paleocons. 0.95

00:50:44.000 Obviously, obviously, Patrick Buchanan is right there.

00:50:48.000 As the grandfather of America First, paleoconservatism.

00:50:52.000 And this book, The Death of the West, How Dying Populations and Immigrant Invasions Imperil Our Country and Civilization, was originally supposed to be called The Death of Whitey, How Dying Populations and Immigration Imperils Our Race in Civilization.

00:51:09.000 That was the original title, according to Sam Francis, something along those lines.

00:51:14.000 And Patrick Buchanan changed it.

00:51:19.000 Anyway, people should read this book, but... So, when Ben Shapiro says, and let me see if I can rewind it a little bit, is that possible?

00:51:27.000 He says, oh, they're trying to masquerade as paleocons, but really they just care about the white majority! 0.82

00:51:32.000 Well, what the f- I have it right here! 0.85

00:51:35.000 Let me dig it out here.

00:51:38.000 I have it right here!

00:51:41.000 Signed!

00:51:46.000 Signed by Patrick Buchanan.

00:51:48.000 Patrick Buchanan's article about Charlottesville.

00:51:50.000 Charlottesville, Virginia.

00:51:52.000 The rally, which is supposedly the neo-Nazi alt-right rally.

00:51:56.000 What did Patrick Buchanan say?

00:52:00.000 He said... Let me go in...

00:52:09.000 He wrote, looking back over the history of a Western civilization, which we call great, were not the explorers who came out of Spain, Portugal, France, Holland, and England, all white supremacists.

00:52:28.000 They conquered in the name of mother countries all the lands they discovered, imposed their rule upon the indigenous peoples, and vanquished and eradicated the native-born who stood in their way, who during the centuries-long discovery and conquest of the New World really believed that the lives of the indigenous peoples were of equal worth with those of the colonizers. 0.80

00:52:46.000 They believed European man had the right to rule the world.

00:52:50.000 Beginning in the 16th century, Western imperialists ruled much of what was called the civilized world.

00:52:55.000 Was not the British Empire, one of the great civilizing forces in human history, a manifestation of British racial superiority? 0.52

00:53:03.000 And if being a segregationist disqualifies one from being venerated in our brave new world, what do we do with Woodrow Wilson, who thought Birth of a Nation a splendid film, and who resegregated the U.S.

00:53:13.000 government?

00:53:14.000 In 1955, Prime Minister Churchill, imperialist to the core, urged his cabinet to consider the slogan, Keep England White.

00:53:21.000 Nor is a belief in the superiority of one's race, religion, tribe, and culture unique to the West.

00:53:27.000 What is unique, what is an experiment without precedent, is what we are about today.

00:53:31.000 We have condemned and renounced the scarlet sins of the men who made America and embraced diversity, inclusivity, and equality.

00:53:38.000 Our new America is to be a land where all races, tribes, creeds, and cultures congregate, are treated equally, and all move ever closer to an equality of results through the regular redistribution of opportunity, wealth, and power.

00:53:51.000 We are going to become the first universal nation.

00:53:54.000 All men are created equal is an ideological statement.

00:53:57.000 Where is the scientific or historic proof for it?

00:53:59.000 Are we building our utopia on a sandpile of ideology and hope?

00:54:03.000 Nevertheless, on to Richmond.

00:54:06.000 That's THE Paleocon! 1.00

00:54:09.000 Wrote that.

00:54:10.000 And signed it!

00:54:10.000 And signed it for me, by the way.

00:54:13.000 That was his article about Charlottesville three years ago.

00:54:15.000 What does Ben Shapiro say?

00:54:17.000 mainstream slash paleocon movement as opposed to what they are which is restrictions on immigration or that opposition to the alt-right is somehow based on opposition to social conservatism.

00:54:31.000 That's a lie.

00:54:32.000 These are very very distinct causes and very distinct philosophies and ideologies and and the fact that the alt-right is masquerading as sort of a mainstream slash paleocon movement as opposed to what they are which is

00:54:51.000 Okay?

00:54:56.000 We're masquerading as paleocons, when really, we are people that, in some capacity, talk about white identity, is what it boils down to.

00:55:06.000 White separatist, white majoritarian, whatever, whatever.

00:55:08.000 And look,

00:55:09.000 You know, I choose to just say at this point that I think, you know, white identity might be important, right? 0.98

00:55:16.000 I've never described myself as a white segregationist.

00:55:19.000 I one time said I was white majoritarian.

00:55:21.000 I think there should be a white majority in the United States.

00:55:24.000 But in any case, whether you're white supremacist, white majoritarian, white separatist, well, the paleocon Patrick Buchanan had some interesting words to say about that.

00:55:34.000 And he's gonna say that we are, we're masquerading.

00:55:37.000 We're masquerading.

00:55:38.000 And also, let's not forget that Ben Shapiro hates paleocons. 0.98

00:55:44.000 Hates them.

00:55:45.000 Where's Ben Shapiro's list of the alt-rights?

00:55:49.000 I think he put Patrick Buchanan on his list of alt-rights, didn't he?

00:55:54.000 Let me see if I can find it.

00:55:57.000 He put out a list of... You know what I'm talking about on Twitter.

00:56:01.000 Yeah, here it is.

00:56:05.000 As per your silly request, Hugh Hewitt, here are twenty alt-right-friendly or alt-right people outlets.

00:56:11.000 Breitbart, Ann Coulter, Milo, Donald Trump, Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul, Steve Saylor, Mike Cerner, da-da-da-da-da.

00:56:18.000 Okay, Peter Brimelow is a paleo-conservative.

00:56:21.000 VDare is paleo-conservative.

00:56:24.000 Jared Taylor is a paleo-conservative.

00:56:27.000 Ron Paul's a paleo-libertarian.

00:56:29.000 Steve Saylor, paleo-conservative.

00:56:31.000 Pat Buchanan, paleo-conservative.

00:56:34.000 And he says in this podcast, oh, the alt-right is trying to rebrand themselves as paleoconservative.

00:56:41.000 Well, that's funny because you have called all the paleocons alt-right. 0.98

00:56:46.000 You say, oh, they're really white majoritarians, but they call themselves paleoconservatives.

00:56:52.000 Pat Buchanan was going to call his book, The Death of Whitey, Immigration, Invasion, Imperils Our Race, and People.

00:57:00.000 The paleocon, I think you could say, is a white majoritarian. 0.92

00:57:06.000 So it's just straight up, just straight up lying. 0.92

00:57:10.000 Again, just straight up lying.

00:57:12.000 Just like with that journalist.

00:57:13.000 They just lie. 0.99

00:57:16.000 It's foolishness, obviously. 0.99

00:57:17.000 Well, and what is important to talk about, and you mentioned it briefly, is there are well-intentioned students that get caught up- This Charlie Kirk is such a bonehead. 0.98

00:57:27.000 And, you know, the best is that you can tell how dishonest they are by the way that they talk. 0.92

00:57:32.000 You can hear it in their voice, how phony it is.

00:57:34.000 Try and stomach that aspect of it while we listen to this.

00:57:38.000 Well, and there are students that have legitimate questions. 0.99

00:57:43.000 Oh, shut up. 0.99

00:57:44.000 ...in this nonsense, and ask fine questions, and then there's really, really bad stuff. 0.99

00:57:50.000 I mean, I was getting questions about dancing Israelis, and I had no idea what the hell they were talking about.

00:57:57.000 I can tell.

00:57:57.000 I know!

00:57:58.000 Charlie has no idea what they're talking about.

00:58:02.000 I was getting questions... Look at what's going on because of what you did!

00:58:07.000 I was getting questions about dancing Israelis,

00:58:12.000 I know.

00:58:12.000 How about another question?

00:58:17.000 Dancing Israelis?

00:58:19.000 Yeah, it's in the Freedom of Information Act.

00:58:23.000 Hello?

00:58:25.000 I like how... Let's listen to what he says about that for a moment, then I'll pull up the FOIA.

00:58:31.000 ...and ask fine questions, and then there's really, really bad stuff.

00:58:35.000 I mean, I was getting questions about dancing Israelis, and I had no idea what the hell they were talking about.

00:58:42.000 I could tell.

00:58:43.000 I saw that clip, and I was like, Charlie has no idea what they're talking about.

00:58:46.000 And let's reverse their meme-ry.

00:58:49.000 You don't know what the hell they're talking about, yeah.

00:58:51.000 It's beyond evil what they're insinuating.

00:58:53.000 Right, of course.

00:58:54.000 And the fact that it was popping up the way it was as quickly, and I was trying to tell people... So he says, this is evil!

00:59:04.000 It is evil what they're insinuating!

00:59:06.000 I don't know, look!

00:59:09.000 Freedom of Information Act request!

00:59:12.000 For nearly two decades, one of the most overlooked and little-known arrests made in the aftermath of 9-11 was that of the so-called High Fivers, or the Dancing Israelis.

00:59:22.000 However, new information released by the FBI on May 7th has brought fresh scrutiny to the possibility that the Dancing Israelis, at least two of whom were known Mossad operatives, had prior knowledge of the attacks on the World Trade Center.

00:59:36.000 I didn't know anything about that.

00:59:38.000 Shortly after 8.46 a.m.

00:59:40.000 on the day of the attacks, just minutes after the first plane struck the World Trade Center, five men, later revealed to be Israeli nationals, had positioned themselves in the parking lot of the Doric apartment complex in Union City, New Jersey, where they were seen taking pictures and filming the attacks, while also celebrating the destruction of the towers and high-fiving each other.

01:00:00.000 At least one eyewitness interviewed by the FBI had seen the Israeli van in the parking lot as early as 8 a.m.

01:00:05.000 that day, more than 40 minutes prior to the attack.

01:00:09.000 The story received coverage in U.S.

01:00:11.000 mainstream media at the time, but has since been largely forgotten.

01:00:15.000 The men, Sivan Kersberg, Paul Kersberg, Oded Elner, Yaron Shemuel, and Omar Marmari, were subsequently apprehended by law enforcement and claimed to be Israeli tourists on a working holiday in the U.S.

01:00:28.000 where they were employed by a moving company, Urban Moving Systems.

01:00:31.000 Upon his arrest, Sivan Kersberg told the arresting officer, We are Israeli.

01:00:35.000 We are not your problem.

01:00:36.000 Your problems are our problems. 0.94

01:00:38.000 The Palestinians are the problem. 1.00

01:00:43.000 The official story has been that these individuals, while they engaged in immature behavior by celebrating and being visibly happy in their documenting of the 9-11 attacks, had no prior knowledge of the attack.

01:00:55.000 However, newly released FBI copies of the photos taken by the five Israelis strongly suggest that these individuals had prior knowledge of the attacks on the World Trade Center.

01:01:05.000 The copies of the photos were obtained by a Freedom of Information Act request made by a private citizen who is immature.

01:01:13.000 Anyway, this show is not about all of this, but, you know, it's funny.

01:01:18.000 It's just funny that he brings that up.

01:01:21.000 They were talking about dancing Israelis?

01:01:23.000 Yeah, actually we were, and that's a legitimate thing to talk about.

01:01:26.000 And the Levon Affair, and the USS Liberty, and all of it is all fair game.

01:01:31.000 Well, some people might have legitimate... Do you see what that is, though?

01:01:34.000 That's gatekeeping.

01:01:35.000 Some people might have legitimate questions.

01:01:38.000 Ask me these questions and that's okay.

01:01:41.000 That's fine.

01:01:42.000 But these questions are bad questions.

01:01:45.000 These are evil questions.

01:01:47.000 Bad questions.

01:01:48.000 Off limits.

01:01:49.000 Some people ask good questions and that's okay.

01:01:52.000 And there are some people that are fine.

01:01:53.000 They're allowed in the gate.

01:01:55.000 But there are other people that are bad.

01:01:57.000 Evil questions.

01:01:59.000 That's what that is.

01:02:01.000 Um, and it obviously spread and, you know, and I think then it was obvious, you know, stamped out quickly.

01:02:06.000 Stamped out!

01:02:07.000 Stamped out!

01:02:08.000 I think it collapsed as soon as it met the light of day.

01:02:11.000 Collapsed!

01:02:11.000 Meaning that I think that at the very beginning people didn't know sort of how to deal with it and then you started just answering questions as they came and, you know, I did the same thing.

01:02:19.000 I gave the speech at Stanford where I went directly after them and just quoted them.

01:02:24.000 And then just answered their questions.

01:02:26.000 And their questions, which they have five or six of them that they would ask repeatedly, are not questions that are particularly difficult to answer, but they're questions that had not been answered specifically because they're very often badly motivated.

01:02:39.000 Yeah.

01:02:40.000 And because they're badly motivated questions, which they have five or six of them, I think it collapsed is what they're talking about, yeah.

01:02:45.000 Beyond evil, what they're insinuating.

01:02:47.000 Right, of course.

01:02:49.000 The fact that it was popping up the way it was as quickly as, and I was trying to tell people, um, and it obviously spread and, you know, and I think then it was obviously, you know, stamped out.

01:03:00.000 I think more than stamped out, I think it collapsed as soon as it met the light of day.

01:03:04.000 Yes.

01:03:04.000 Meaning that I think that at the very beginning people didn't know sort of how to deal with it.

01:03:07.000 It collapsed?

01:03:08.000 And then you started just answering questions.

01:03:10.000 This was the end of it.

01:03:11.000 This was the end of it.

01:03:11.000 You know, I did the same thing.

01:03:13.000 I gave a speech at Stanford where I went directly after them and just quoted them.

01:03:17.000 We're good to go.

01:03:41.000 But it didn't fall apart.

01:03:42.000 It didn't fall apart.

01:03:42.000 The opposite happened.

01:04:05.000 The complete opposite happened.

01:04:06.000 If anything, it was them that fell apart.

01:04:08.000 What do you mean it fell apart?

01:04:09.000 We carried on until the end of Charlie Kirk's tour.

01:04:12.000 We covered, I think, every stop except for the one in the very beginning.

01:04:17.000 Charlie Kirk's Culture War tour had, I think, like nine or ten events, and it got started on the second event, and we were presented every single one until the end, including the SAS conference.

01:04:29.000 So I don't know, you know, and this is where the verbal trickery comes in.

01:04:34.000 Well, it collapsed.

01:04:35.000 It's over.

01:04:36.000 It's done.

01:04:37.000 I mean, you could say that.

01:04:38.000 You could say that.

01:04:40.000 And maybe the baby boomers that listen to your podcast who don't know any better will be like, oh, OK. 0.51

01:04:45.000 Well, apparently there was this alt-right thing, and then it fell apart.

01:04:49.000 But everybody who saw the events that happened know that's not true.

01:04:52.000 And everybody on Twitter can see that that's not true.

01:04:55.000 The people that have come over.

01:04:56.000 It's just like the biggest cope in the world.

01:04:58.000 Wow, we answered their questions and now it's over.

01:05:01.000 Wrong.

01:05:02.000 You went at Stanford.

01:05:03.000 You answered, I think, like a handful of people.

01:05:06.000 You answered like five questions.

01:05:10.000 And in any case, you are afraid to talk about these things.

01:05:13.000 The reason that they're afraid to talk about these things is not because they won't shut down somebody who wanders into one of their events.

01:05:19.000 It's because they will not debate these things.

01:05:21.000 They will not tweet about them.

01:05:22.000 They will not debate these things with anybody involved.

01:05:25.000 That's why they say, oh, people just have bad intentions asking these questions.

01:05:30.000 And some questions are good and some questions are evil.

01:05:33.000 So which is it then?

01:05:34.000 Are you answering them or are it evil questions asked by evil people who we just can't engage with?

01:05:41.000 Were bad questions, and questions that had rotten central fallacies.

01:05:47.000 Now, does that mean, again, to conflate the bad questions with some issues that... Rotten central fallacies.

01:05:55.000 What are the rotten central fallacies?

01:05:58.000 Charlie, you say you're America First, but you support the F-1 visa program.

01:06:03.000 You support the EB-5 visa program.

01:06:06.000 What's the... I'm sorry, I'm missing it.

01:06:09.000 Well Charlie, you say you're for American workers, but you promote an immigration policy that favors foreign workers, and this policy is more radical than Silicon Valley.

01:06:19.000 What's the deal with that?

01:06:21.000 What do you mean?

01:06:22.000 Rotten central fallacy?

01:06:24.000 It's not particularly good questions.

01:06:26.000 Seems like a fine and fair question to me.

01:06:29.000 Not every question was knocked out of the park, but for the most part, why did Charlie Kirk change his positions on immigration if they were bad questions?

01:06:37.000 If they were not particularly good questions loaded with rotten fallacies in the middle, why did Charlie Kirk change two of his positions on immigration because as a direct consequence of those questions?

01:06:51.000 The questions were so bad and fallacious that Charlie Kirk did a complete 180 on the F-1 and EB-5 visas and did a complete 180 on the number of legal immigrants who should be admitted every year.

01:07:07.000 So which is it?

01:07:08.000 Because I have a feeling that if it was a totally fallacious, ill-intentioned, evil, and not particularly good question, Charlie Kirk wouldn't have went from saying, we should staple green cards to diplomas, to saying, I made a mistake, I no longer support that.

01:07:24.000 So it's all just a big lie.

01:07:26.000 It's all just a big sham.

01:07:27.000 The sort of people we're attracted to, I think, is a mistake.

01:07:30.000 I think there are a lot of people who are attracted to questions about immigration restrictionism, for example.

01:07:34.000 They're saying, OK, well, it's true that the Republican Party has been too open borders.

01:07:38.000 I mean, that's something that I basically agree with.

01:07:40.000 I mean, you can go find interviews of me.

01:07:42.000 I remember you talking about this five, six years ago.

01:07:44.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:07:44.000 I mean, you can find hour-long conversations between me and Ann Coulter about immigration restrictionism.

01:07:49.000 Oh, really?

01:07:49.000 Wait.

01:07:49.000 Hey, wait a second.

01:07:50.000 Wait a second.

01:07:51.000 Well, well, I think immigration restriction is perfectly legitimate. 1.00

01:07:56.000 There's the alt-right and there's immigration restriction.

01:07:58.000 I had conversations with who?

01:08:00.000 Ann Coulter about immigration restriction.

01:08:04.000 Oh, Ben Shapiro's an immigration restrictionist too.

01:08:08.000 Why?

01:08:08.000 We had a conversation about immigration restriction with, oh, an alt-right friendly or alt-right person, Ann Coulter.

01:08:17.000 That's interesting.

01:08:19.000 And there you see, therein lies the central gambit here, which is this smear job of alt-right.

01:08:28.000 Well, anyone who it's convenient for me to call a bad person, well, they're alt-right.

01:08:35.000 You know, Ann Coulter was alt-right in 2016, when Ann Coulter was the enemy of Ben Shapiro.

01:08:41.000 Well, now that I'm the enemy of Ben Shapiro, well, Ann Coulter's cool, and I'm alt-right, right?

01:08:46.000 And same with Charlie Kirk.

01:08:48.000 Since the founding SAS conference, Ann Coulter was banned.

01:08:52.000 She was not allowed to go.

01:08:54.000 But this year, they invited Ann Coulter, and they scrambled and put together a last-minute panel with her there.

01:09:00.000 I wonder why that was.

01:09:02.000 Well, it's because suddenly, Ann Coulter, who was an alt-right immigration restrictionist, beyond the pale, well now we need her!

01:09:09.000 Now Turning Point needs her to shore up their legitimacy as actual immigration restrictionists, or America First patriots on immigration. 0.72

01:09:18.000 All right is not actually a concrete term as they say it is.

01:09:20.000 We're not the ones masquerading.

01:09:37.000 The open borders, globalist gambit, at any given time.

01:09:41.000 Ann Coulter is not threatening anymore.

01:09:43.000 So she's welcomed into the fold, and she can be a part of it, and she's no longer alt-right.

01:09:50.000 But I am a threat.

01:09:51.000 And I am a legitimate immigration restrictionist, so now I'm alt-right.

01:09:55.000 Ann Coulter's okay, and Ben Shapiro's okay when he talks about immigration restriction with her, but these guys are something else, they're alt-right.

01:10:01.000 Okay, well which is it?

01:10:04.000 Malkin and I were friends for 20 years.

01:10:06.000 I mean, like, it's not as though I've been friendly to the open borders position.

01:10:10.000 But the attempt to conflate the two, it's a smart move by the alt-right, I mean, for them to sort of hide under the MAGA hat and say, well, we're the true MAGA-ites, or we're the true immigration restrictionists, and if you're really immigration- Let me pull up the tweet.

01:10:36.000 Where's the tweet of me where I post all my pictures?

01:10:42.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:10:45.000 Oh, it's a very smart move.

01:10:48.000 They put themselves in a MAGA hat.

01:10:50.000 Here it is, I think.

01:10:52.000 Yeah, here's the tweet.

01:10:54.000 Well, let's rewind the tape while I look at these pictures.

01:10:58.000 But the attempt to conflate the two, it's a smart move by the alt-right, I mean, for them to sort of hide under the MAGA hat and say, well, we're the true MAGA-ite, or we're the true immigration restrictionists, and if you're really immigration restrictionists, then you should come along with us.

01:11:11.000 But you're also gonna have to swallow this big pill about, you know, like, how racism is an effective tactic and a morally useful thing.

01:11:21.000 Well, no, we're gonna have to go no on that.

01:11:25.000 What did he say?

01:11:27.000 Well, it's actually a really smart move for them to hide under a MAGA hat and pretend that they're the real MAGA-ites.

01:11:35.000 Well, let's see.

01:11:36.000 Here's a picture of me on election night.

01:11:38.000 This is November 8, 2016.

01:11:39.000 This is at an election night viewing party at Boston University in the basement of the Student Union.

01:11:50.000 Cardboard cutout of Donald Trump.

01:11:51.000 There's a Trump flag, Trump shirt, MAGA hat.

01:11:54.000 This is me at the first general election debate viewing party, also on Boston University.

01:12:00.000 This picture was taken in Warren Towers.

01:12:02.000 MAGA hat, Trump shirt, Trump flag.

01:12:05.000 This was the first general election debate in, I think that was September 2016.

01:12:11.000 This is me campaigning for Donald Trump.

01:12:13.000 This is me campaigning, going door-to-door in Manchester, New Hampshire in October 2016 with an official Trump election shirt, Trump hat.

01:12:22.000 This is a big Mercedes van that I was driving around Manchester with my group of door knockers, dropping them off at different places.

01:12:32.000 And this is my ballot in 2016, which I think it's technically illegal for me to show, but this is me voting for Donald Trump in 2016.

01:12:41.000 By the way, Ben Shapiro is a never-Trumper who didn't vote for Donald Trump.

01:12:45.000 And this is time and time again, all these people saying me and my followers are hijacking Trump's slogans.

01:12:50.000 Yeah, well here.

01:12:54.000 Ben Shapiro explains why he'll never vote for Trump.

01:12:58.000 Here's Dan Crenshaw.

01:13:00.000 Where is he? 0.98

01:13:00.000 Trump's insane rhetoric is hateful. 0.98

01:13:03.000 But worse, it takes away from an important conversation about the reform of Islam. 1.00

01:13:08.000 On the one hand, you have idiots like Trump, and on the other hand, you have equally ignorant liberals. 1.00

01:13:12.000 Dan Crenshaw. 1.00

01:13:13.000 This is Dan Crenshaw in 2015.

01:13:16.000 Charlie Kirk.

01:13:17.000 The fact Iowa could choose someone who openly brags about his affairs and has multiple divorces is astonishing.

01:13:23.000 Anyone down for a Cruz Rubio ticket to save America?

01:13:26.000 April 16.

01:13:28.000 April 16th!

01:13:29.000 This resort's the end of the primary!

01:13:34.000 Restrictionist, and if you're really immigration restrictionist, then you should come along with us, but you're also gonna have to swallow this big pill about, you know, like how racism is an effective tactic and a morally useful thing. 1.00

01:13:47.000 What a fucking idiot, dude. 1.00

01:13:49.000 Oh, you know, we're the real immigration restrictionists because we are, we're the real Trump supporters because we are, but you have to swallow that racism is 1.00

01:14:02.000 Good tactic? 1.00

01:14:03.000 What the fuck are you saying? 1.00

01:14:04.000 What are you even saying, idiot? 1.00

01:14:07.000 What a bonehead. 1.00

01:14:08.000 What an absolute bozo. 1.00

01:14:10.000 Oh, well, they're gonna hide under the MAGA hat and masquerade as paleocons, and they're gonna say, we're against immigration. 0.95

01:14:20.000 But we're racist, too!

01:14:22.000 Give me a break. 1.00

01:14:22.000 This guy's an idiot. 1.00

01:14:23.000 This guy's a straight-up idiot. 1.00

01:14:26.000 Well, no, we're gonna have to go no on that. 1.00

01:14:28.000 And obviously separating students that have well-intentioned questions and all that, but the really hateful individuals that were doing this.

01:14:36.000 It's very Alinsky-y.

01:14:38.000 Yes, and I think they openly acknowledge that, right?

01:14:58.000 One of the clips that went viral, I said, has anyone here, you know, support Identify Europa?

01:15:03.000 And some lunatic said, oh yeah, I do, it's great, you know?

01:15:07.000 And basically, after two questions, it became remarkably clear, he wants a white ethnostate. 0.97

01:15:13.000 Right.

01:15:13.000 Look, tribalism is unfortunately a natural human tendency, but what's great about founding ideology, and I think the ideology of Western civilization, is that it did cross those lines.

01:15:25.000 So, when it comes to the... there was literally, out of all the Gruyper summits, there was one guy who said he was supporting Identity Europa.

01:15:33.000 Which, by the way, Identity Europa doesn't exist anymore.

01:15:36.000 It hasn't existed for a year.

01:15:39.000 So, we have all these questions about immigration, Israel, blah blah blah.

01:15:43.000 Which they won't even say Israel, by the way.

01:15:45.000 That's what's funny.

01:15:46.000 They're like, oh, well, you can have questions about social conservatism.

01:15:50.000 You can have questions about immigration.

01:15:52.000 We're not afraid of talking about that.

01:15:54.000 What's weird, because so far, talking about the Groyper Wars for seven minutes, you've only mentioned really like one thing, which is immigration, and a little bit about social conservatism.

01:16:03.000 But they have never even mentioned the questions about foreign aid, foreign wars for Israel, anything like that.

01:16:10.000 We're not afraid to talk about it.

01:16:11.000 But in any case, out of all the questions we asked, there was like one guy who said he supported Identity Europa and a white ethnostate, and that guy was proven to be a literal plant.

01:16:21.000 That was in North Carolina, we all remember.

01:16:24.000 And the day after the North Carolina event, there was a guy who literally came out and said, oh take that Nick Fuentes, we blew up your thing, we're the Wignats.

01:16:33.000 Wignats are the new, they're alt-right.

01:16:36.000 I mean, they're literally, you know, we called the people that are in the alt-right wignats.

01:16:40.000 Richard Spencer, TRS, all those characters.

01:16:43.000 So literal, like, plants came forward the next day and said, ah, we took over that North Carolina event.

01:16:49.000 So the one guy, but in any case, he also says identify Europa, and you want to know why he says that?

01:16:59.000 He says identify Europa because if you google identity Europa, this is the first thing that comes up.

01:17:07.000 If you look up identity Europa or identify Europa, this will come up.

01:17:12.000 So let's rewind that just a bit because I think it's very important to point this out.

01:17:16.000 Open some lunatic about trying to make this artificial group identity on skin color.

01:17:22.000 In fact, it's collectivist in just a different form. 0.78

01:17:24.000 Yes.

01:17:25.000 And by the way, uh, make a group identity by skin color.

01:17:28.000 Okay.

01:17:29.000 Black leadership summit, Hispanic leadership summit.

01:17:31.000 Need I go on?

01:17:32.000 These are not.

01:17:33.000 In fact, it was one of the events that I did.

01:17:36.000 One of the clips that went viral, I said, is anyone here, you know, support identify your rope.

01:17:41.000 Identify Europa.

01:17:42.000 Does anyone support Identify Europa?

01:17:45.000 Why did he say that?

01:17:47.000 The group is called Identity Europa.

01:17:49.000 This is not the first time he said it.

01:17:51.000 Why did he say Identify Europa?

01:17:54.000 Because if you look up Identity Europa, the first thing that comes up is an actual website called Identify Europa.

01:18:02.000 And what is that?

01:18:05.000 Identify Europa is a network of anti-fascists.

01:18:09.000 From coast to coast, they have collaborated in exposing members of the white supremacist gang Identity Europa, revealing an organization whose goal to include prioritizing monetary benefits based on membership.

01:18:23.000 But the reason that he said Identify Europa is because literally he googled it.

01:18:28.000 He said, oh, Identify Europa. 0.96

01:18:31.000 This anti-fuckhound. 0.97

01:18:32.000 Oh, it's called Identify Europa. 0.96

01:18:33.000 Yeah, let's go with that. 0.99

01:18:35.000 Which just speaks to how ignorant he is. 1.00

01:18:37.000 It just speaks to how completely, like, what a bonehead idiot this guy is. 1.00

01:18:41.000 He's gonna tell... Oh, there are... No, no, no. 1.00

01:18:44.000 No, these guys are not legitimate.

01:18:45.000 They're part of Identify Europa.

01:18:47.000 Oh, really?

01:18:48.000 What's that?

01:18:48.000 I don't know.

01:18:49.000 I literally just googled it.

01:18:51.000 I don't know.

01:18:51.000 I just googled it and the first thing that came up was this.

01:18:54.000 That's why I keep saying identify Europa.

01:18:57.000 It's not a mistake.

01:18:58.000 He's not like misspeaking there.

01:19:00.000 He's not, that's not a gaffe.

01:19:03.000 He keeps saying identify Europa because he's not trying to say identity Europa.

01:19:07.000 He's trying to say identify Europa because he doesn't know what it is.

01:19:11.000 Because he literally googled it one time and this came up and it was like, oh, identify Europa.

01:19:17.000 Okay, there it is.

01:19:18.000 Identify Europa.

01:19:19.000 Let's go with that.

01:19:21.000 These guys aren't conservatives.

01:19:22.000 They're Identify Europa.

01:19:24.000 An entity on skin color.

01:19:25.000 In fact, it's collectivist in just a different form.

01:19:27.000 Yes.

01:19:28.000 And these are not... In fact, one of the events that I did, one of the clips that went viral, I said, does anyone here, you know, support Identify Europa?

01:19:36.000 And some lunatic said, oh yeah, I do.

01:19:39.000 It's great, you know? 0.90

01:19:40.000 And basically, after two questions, it became

01:19:44.000 Remarkably clear, he wants a white ethnostate. 0.95

01:19:46.000 Right.

01:19:47.000 Look, tribalism is unfortunately a natural... Which, by the way, none of us want a white ethnostate, and none of us have ever said that we want a white ethnostate, so... And that's, again, what they're doing is they'll take what one person says, you know, and make that symptomatic of what everybody says. 0.89

01:20:05.000 Or indicative of what everybody says or believes.

01:20:07.000 Well, one guy in North Carolina said he supports white ethnostate, even though nobody else did in the entire course of the thing, and none of the leaders did who were trying to defame.

01:20:18.000 But that's the shady, underhanded, dishonest tax.

01:20:20.000 What's great about accounting ideology, and I think the ideology of Western civilization, is that it did cross those lines, and it suggested that tribalism is not the answer to the ills that plague humanity.

01:20:31.000 In fact, universal values that are applied through reason, and through basic Judeo-Christian morality,

01:20:38.000 Those are applicable anywhere.

01:20:39.000 Those are applicable to anybody who wants to take part in them.

01:20:42.000 That doesn't mean everybody wouldn't want to take part in them.

01:20:44.000 It doesn't mean that everybody's going to leave their tribalism behind.

01:20:46.000 And we have to fight against tribalism on all sides.

01:20:48.000 But when you see the alt-right basically making common cause with the identity politics left, if you are a conservative, you have to say to yourself, well, something here is wrong.

01:20:56.000 Mm-hmm.

01:20:57.000 And we have to make it clear, these are, it's like 20 people.

01:20:59.000 This is not a mass movement.

01:21:01.000 These, the fringe on the fringe of these people, and they make it seem as if, the media wants to make it as seem as if they're much bigger and much more popular.

01:21:07.000 Well, the media loves this stuff.

01:21:08.000 And that's what you said at Stanford.

01:21:09.000 Yeah.

01:21:11.000 I love, well, this is like the fringe of the fringe.

01:21:13.000 It's 20 people.

01:21:14.000 Oh, really?

01:21:16.000 Well, let me pull up my Twitter analytics.

01:21:18.000 20 people.

01:21:20.000 Yeah.

01:21:20.000 20 people, 20 people.

01:21:21.000 America first!

01:21:38.000 That's Houston.

01:21:40.000 Let's look at, uh... Do we have UCLA?

01:21:43.000 Do we have a clip here?

01:21:44.000 It'll probably play an ad, which is annoying.

01:21:48.000 Yeah, okay, whatever.

01:21:50.000 I might as well pull up my Twitter analytics.

01:21:52.000 Let me see if I can pull it up for that time period.

01:22:02.000 No surprise that Donald Trump Jr.

01:22:04.000 and his girlfriend, Kimberly Guilford, which is a lie.

01:22:07.000 It doesn't happen that way.

01:22:08.000 We're willing to listen.

01:22:09.000 Q&A!

01:22:10.000 We're willing to listen.

01:22:11.000 Q&A!

01:22:14.000 Q&A!

01:22:15.000 Q&A!

01:22:16.000 Q&A!

01:22:17.000 Q&A!

01:22:17.000 See what I mean?

01:22:18.000 And that is the problem.

01:22:19.000 And the reason oftentimes it doesn't make sense to do the Q&A is not because we're not willing to talk about the questions, because we do.

01:22:26.000 Sixty million impressions, by the way.

01:22:39.000 So, we can have these people booed off the stage at UCLA, we can have them booed off the campus at Houston, we had people in Colorado, in Iowa, in New Hampshire, in Florida, in North Carolina, we had them in Texas, in Arizona, we had them in Tennessee.

01:23:00.000 Those are like 20 people, this is the fringe of the fringe!

01:23:04.000 Okay, well, we have people across the country show up in dozens.

01:23:10.000 60 million impressions in 64 days.

01:23:13.000 You know, he got booed off of University of Houston.

01:23:17.000 It's a fringe of the fringe!

01:23:18.000 I think I gained like 30,000 followers in the course of the Groyper War.

01:23:24.000 I have 75,000 subs on YouTube.

01:23:26.000 It's the fringe of the fringe!

01:23:28.000 Opposite.

01:23:50.000 I don't think you know what alt-right means.

01:23:51.000 And they had to retract it.

01:23:53.000 And then the Boston Globe did the same thing.

01:23:54.000 They wrote a column calling me alt-right.

01:23:55.000 They had to retract that, too.

01:23:57.000 I mean, the fact is the media used the term alt-right as a catch-all for people on the right that we don't like.

01:24:02.000 Ha! 0.89

01:24:03.000 Wow!

01:24:05.000 They used the alt-right as a catch-all for people they don't like?

01:24:10.000 What?

01:24:12.000 Wow!

01:24:12.000 That's amazing!

01:24:14.000 So, Breitbart, Ann Coulter, Milo Trump, Pat Buchanan, Ron Pauls, Mike Cernovich, Alan Bakari, Alex Jones, Jim Goh, Jerry Taylor, Spencer Brimelow, Vox, Joseph Soberon, VDare.

01:24:25.000 Could you imagine?

01:24:27.000 Could you imagine?

01:24:29.000 Could you imagine using the term alt-right as a catch-all for people you don't like?

01:24:33.000 Well, case closed, yeah!

01:24:36.000 I can't imagine.

01:24:38.000 That's amazing.

01:24:39.000 So now, what the gambit is,

01:24:57.000 We are trying now to brand Charlie Kirk as alt-right.

01:25:01.000 Yes.

01:25:02.000 Join us, Charlie Kirk!

01:25:05.000 We want the media to think that Charlie Kirk is alt-right.

01:25:10.000 So that they'll think that we have huge numbers.

01:25:14.000 We entered into a direct conflict with Charlie Kirk.

01:25:19.000 As America First.

01:25:22.000 So let's see.

01:25:24.000 We, the alt-right, we won't call ourselves that because we're hiding.

01:25:29.000 We won't call ourselves that because we're masquerading.

01:25:32.000 But we are proud of that label and we are trying to get Charlie Kirk to be labeled as alt-right so that people think we're all the alt-right so that everyone, excuse me, thinks that we have huge numbers and then they'll think that there's more of us than there are.

01:25:54.000 And then, I don't know, and then that's when something's really gonna happen.

01:26:01.000 How does that make any sense?

01:26:03.000 And you realize that these people are just making things up.

01:26:06.000 They're literally just making it up as they go along.

01:26:09.000 Well, although they're not real Trump supporters.

01:26:11.000 Well, it's okay to talk about immigration restriction, but not like that.

01:26:17.000 They're saying they want immigration restriction, but they say let's have immigration restriction, but racism too.

01:26:24.000 And actually the alt-right and the left are working together, yeah?

01:26:28.000 And the alt-right and the media are working together, yeah?

01:26:30.000 And they want the media to think you're alt-right.

01:26:34.000 Which is why they're attacking you all the time.

01:26:39.000 They're just making it up as they go along on this podcast and beyond.

01:26:46.000 What the alt-right would like is for there to be mass confusion about what the term actually means so that they can make it seem as though it's more than five guys.

01:26:53.000 Oh yeah, that's what it is.

01:26:55.000 Do you guys have sizable student loan debt?

01:26:57.000 Were you sold a bunch of lies from the cartel of the college? 1.00

01:27:00.000 I just like... and people eat this shit up because they don't hear the other side. 0.99

01:27:07.000 They will not engage with people like me because they're little... 1.00

01:27:12.000 House of Cards will collapse.

01:27:13.000 If they engage with anybody in good faith, anybody at all from our side, the whole thing would come down.

01:27:20.000 It's really that simple.

01:27:21.000 So they ignore we don't exist, or they ignore us, they pretend we don't exist.

01:27:26.000 Smear, they're evil, they're bad, they've got all these nefarious four-dimensional chess strategies.

01:27:37.000 They want to obfuscate the terms so people think more people are in it.

01:27:41.000 We don't even, it doesn't make any sense.

01:27:44.000 If we wanted people to think that everyone was the alt-right, wouldn't we call ourselves the alt-right?

01:27:50.000 Wouldn't we say that we're alt-right?

01:27:51.000 Wouldn't that make sense?

01:27:53.000 You know?

01:27:54.000 They want everyone to think they're alt-right, which is why they don't call themselves that, and they say they're not, and they list substantive disagreements.

01:28:01.000 They want people to think that we're all alt-right, which is why we attack them.

01:28:04.000 You know, he says at the beginning, well I've been fighting the alt-right forever, they hate me.

01:28:08.000 They want people to think I'm alt-right too!

01:28:13.000 Even within this interview it doesn't make sense.

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01:29:05.000 That's right.

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01:29:07.000 I can't stand when they do that.

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01:29:19.000 I'm a little worried about the direction of some of these conversations.

01:29:23.000 Within the conservative circles, where it seems as if, and this is a little bit different than the alt-right, but more of kind of some of the proposals of the new right, which is we have to use the instruments of government power to correct some of the problems that the left has done in our culture and society.

01:29:38.000 You did a very good podcast about this whole conversation about restricting pornography.

01:29:44.000 Yes.

01:29:45.000 So, I mean, this is a different conversation.

01:29:47.000 We should make a hard break here.

01:29:48.000 This is very different.

01:29:49.000 Just so everybody understands, the conversation we're about to have is very different from the conversation we just had.

01:29:54.000 Common good conservatives, as I think they would like to call themselves.

01:29:57.000 Okay, so I think that's where it ends, the part about the Groepers. 1.00

01:30:02.000 What's everybody saying yes?

01:30:04.000 Why is everyone saying yes?

01:30:09.000 I don't know why they're saying yes.

01:30:10.000 But, anyway.

01:30:12.000 So that ten minutes was of that.

01:30:14.000 That eleven minutes was about us.

01:30:17.000 And, you know, look.

01:30:20.000 It's not over.

01:30:22.000 It's not over.

01:30:23.000 We won the Groeper Wars.

01:30:24.000 Everybody knows that.

01:30:25.000 That's why Charlie Kirk backtracked on his statements.

01:30:28.000 That's why I'm a household name now, relatively, in a lot of conservative circles.

01:30:32.000 And they know that.

01:30:33.000 And they're coping.

01:30:34.000 And they're hoping that with some of these tactics, the smear pieces, the, you know, human rights reports,

01:30:42.000 You know, if they just lie about it on their podcast, we're going to go away.

01:30:45.000 We're not going to go away.

01:30:46.000 We're here forever.

01:30:48.000 I'm 21 years old.

01:30:50.000 So they can smear like Peter Brimelow and Jared Taylor and all these guys and, you know, no shade at them.

01:30:57.000 And I'm not trying to attack them, but these are older guys.

01:31:00.000 And I don't, I don't think they're as savvy with the internet and, you know, they're not as visible.

01:31:08.000 I love those guys.

01:31:09.000 I think they're amazing.

01:31:09.000 They're patriots and everything, but I think their phase of the paleocon versus neocon war ended like 15 years ago, maybe even longer.

01:31:20.000 And the difference is now, we've got a mass youth following.

01:31:23.000 It's me, and it's the zoomers, and they're terrified of that, because I'm not going anywhere, and my young followers aren't going to go anywhere. 1.00

01:31:30.000 We're young, and we're online, and we're on the campus.

01:31:33.000 So they're just trying to get ahead of this as best as they can, you know, sweep it under the rug, but it's not going to work.

01:31:44.000 And this will continue.

01:31:45.000 This will continue in the spring semester.

01:31:48.000 I'm going on tour.

01:31:49.000 I'll pull it up on my Twitter actually.

01:31:52.000 Remember, I'm going on tour this spring.

01:31:56.000 We're already setting up a number of dates.

01:31:58.000 We're going to have a calendar pretty soon of where I will be appearing on college campuses.

01:32:03.000 If you want me to come to your college campus, check this out.

01:32:08.000 It's my pinned tweet on my Twitter profile.

01:32:10.000 You just fill out this form.

01:32:14.000 And all you do is fill out the questions.

01:32:16.000 What school are you at?

01:32:17.000 What city?

01:32:18.000 Are you part of a student group?

01:32:19.000 Are you a leader of that group?

01:32:21.000 What is a student group?

01:32:22.000 What date would you like?

01:32:23.000 Very simple, straightforward, you know, it's like a handful of questions.

01:32:27.000 And like I said, we've already got like a dozen events in the works.

01:32:34.000 We're, I got a team together that's handling this and we're putting dates on the calendar and making it happen and everything.

01:32:41.000 So, we, I will be out there, we will carry on in other ways the Groyper War, this America First Students thing is taking off and might be spreading to other campuses. 0.78

01:32:51.000 So, needless to say, the Groyper War has really only just begun. 0.72

01:32:56.000 The Conservative War, the offensive against Conservative Inc.

01:33:00.000 has really only just begun.

01:33:01.000 It's only just started.

01:33:03.000 And I'm excited for that.

01:33:04.000 But that's really all the content I had in mind to review for now.

01:33:09.000 I'm probably going to log off, have some dinner, and then I'll be back at 7 o'clock only on DLive.

01:33:17.000 And I'll be at 7 o'clock tonight to watch the results come in from the New Hampshire primary.

01:33:21.000 Should be exciting and fun.

01:33:24.000 And low-key.

01:33:25.000 I feel like DLive is more low-key than YouTube for some reason.

01:33:28.000 I always feel guilty going on YouTube and, like, doing a chill stream, but on DLive it's just, like, a different energy.

01:33:35.000 So I'll be back tonight at 7 o'clock only on DLive for America First, and we'll be watching the New Hampshire Primary results.

01:33:42.000 Remember, I won't be on YouTube.

01:33:43.000 If you usually watch me on YouTube, I won't be there.

01:33:46.000 Because I got my second community guideline strike during the show yesterday.

01:33:51.000 So that means that at the bare minimum, I won't be streaming on YouTube for two weeks.

01:33:56.000 And I think I'm headed towards a full-out ban within that time period.

01:34:00.000 So I think YouTube's probably over.

01:34:02.000 But who knows?

01:34:03.000 But at least for now, I'll be on DLive tonight.

01:34:08.000 So that's at 7 o'clock, but I'm probably going to sign out here.

01:34:10.000 I'll read some of these Ninjaginis before I go, though. 0.99

01:34:14.000 I'll read some of the Ninjaginis and Diamonds.

01:34:16.000 I'm not going to open the chest.

01:34:17.000 I'm opening the chest.

01:34:19.000 If there's more lemons tonight, I'll open the chest tonight.

01:34:22.000 We live in the Matrix as what army?

01:34:24.000 What army?

01:34:25.000 Look around you, Charlie!

01:34:28.000 You planted grass?

01:34:30.000 GRASS!

01:34:32.000 Let me see if I can pull up that clip.

01:34:37.000 Do I have it?

01:34:38.000 I remember it was hard for me to find.

01:34:41.000 Grass?!

01:34:42.000 That's your five guys.

01:35:06.000 That's your five guys that are.

01:35:08.000 You can get a little glimpse into my viewing history.

01:35:11.000 We got a Sopranos cliff.

01:35:12.000 We got the Chog Zone. 1.00

01:35:15.000 Jon Stewart on Crossfire.

01:35:17.000 I don't watch anything Seinfeld.

01:35:19.000 I don't know why that's there.

01:35:21.000 Anyway.

01:35:23.000 That'll be us.

01:35:24.000 This'll be us.

01:35:25.000 What army?

01:35:29.000 You planted grass?

01:35:30.000 This is going to be Conservative Inc.

01:35:34.000 This is Conservative Inc.

01:35:36.000 2020.

01:35:36.000 If you want a picture of the conservative movement in the next year, picture Plankton's army surrounding the Krusty Krab.

01:35:45.000 This is what we have to look forward to.

01:35:46.000 20,000 Groifers, somebody says, yeah.

01:35:51.000 Okay, well I'll read some of these Nijiginis. 1.00

01:35:54.000 We've got Zan Head who says, Identify Europa equals Antifa equals the real fascists.

01:36:00.000 Obfuscate by confusing the boomers, yeah. 0.61

01:36:03.000 UIE says, Hello White Nationalist Inc.

01:36:05.000 I'm applying for the marketing position.

01:36:07.000 Look, I got this Groiber idea.

01:36:09.000 I got this Toad idea.

01:36:10.000 Yeah, that's funny.

01:36:13.000 Yeah, get in on the ground floor of Alt-Right Inc.

01:36:17.000 where we don't call ourselves that and we're marketing as a cartoon Toad.

01:36:22.000 Yeah, okay.

01:36:22.000 Well, those are our diamonds.

01:36:24.000 So, like I said, I'll be back.

01:36:27.000 I know this was kind of a shorter stream, like an hour and 45 minutes, but I'll be back at 7.

01:36:32.000 I gotta make dinner.

01:36:33.000 Well, I don't gotta make dinner.

01:36:35.000 I gotta heat up dinner in the microwave.

01:36:37.000 Or in the oven.

01:36:39.000 Yeah, she told me, she told me 345 on the oven, or 350 on the oven for 45 minutes.

01:36:47.000 It's the raviolis.

01:36:48.000 Raviolis.

01:36:49.000 Gotta put them in the oven.

01:36:50.000 So, I gotta make that happen.

01:36:53.000 And I'll eat dinner, and then I'll be back at seven.

01:36:55.000 It's a New Hampshire stuff, so it's going to be fun, exciting, cool to watch, chill.

01:37:00.000 You know, I'll be watching the New York Times.

01:37:01.000 We'll talk about some other stuff.

01:37:03.000 But that's going to do it for this stream.

01:37:04.000 Thanks for watching.

01:37:05.000 Thanks.

01:37:06.000 Lots of lemons on the stream, so thanks a lot for that.

01:37:09.000 And remember, Groyper Wars continues.

01:37:10.000 They have fired the initial shot, and we'll let them get some punches in, and then it'll be our turn.

01:37:16.000 It'll be like that scene in V for Vendetta.

01:37:18.000 My turn, you know?

01:37:20.000 Then everybody's gonna get, uh, you know, knives thrown in their faces, rhetorically speaking.

01:37:25.000 So, that's our stream.

01:37:26.000 Thanks for watching.

01:37:27.000 Hope you enjoyed.

01:37:28.000 Thanks for the lemon.

01:37:28.000 I will see you at 7!

01:37:29.000 See you later.

01:37:48.000 But as soon as people start playing games, I stop.

01:37:52.000 I stop playing games.

01:37:54.000 And at any moment, I can hit that yay button.

01:37:58.000 Let me give you the first action.

01:38:24.000 Not my words, not my rules.

01:38:27.000 I just endorse them, alright?

01:38:31.000 Hey, come on! 1.00

01:39:10.000 It's everything.

01:39:11.000 It's warming up.

01:39:12.000 Everybody dare to run.

01:39:40.000 We're good.

01:40:16.000 This is from your biggest Boston fan.

01:40:28.000 May you one day see the light.

01:40:30.000 Well, hey, thanks.

01:40:31.000 Love you, too.

01:40:32.000 But sorry, I'm going to relinquish the next set.

America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - February 25, 2020

Groyper War 2: Conservative Inc Strikes Back | America First Episode 544

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