America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - November 13, 2019


Groyper Wars: Unhinged Charlie Kirk CHEATS His Way to Stalemate at NCSU | America First Ep. 498

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Nicholas J. Fuentes
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Charlie Kirk Brittany Betsy Charlie Critch Nick Fuentes Donald Trump Groypers Identity Europa Michelle Malkin Richard Spencer Lady Maga Ben Shapiro Taylor Marshall Patrick Casey Identify Yevrapa Andrew Klavan Tucker Carlson Michael Johnson Peter Thiel Joker John and 89 more
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26

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182

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159

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The Boomer Generation and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. The boomer generation will be our credo. Americanism, not globalism, will be the credo! You're not interested. I'm sorry, Brittany and Betsy, but I just can't do it. You're an e-girl, you know the rule. No e-girls. Who's got the clip? No e girls. Who has the clip?! Hashtag Never E Girls. Not even once. God, I've never heard of Bigfoot. Who s that? Who's that? Who's That? Who s That? I've Never heard of it. I don't remember her to think, "What is that?" What is that? What is it? I don t remember it! I can't even remember it. I can t even remember her. It's not interesting, but it's not a bad story, right? If you don't want to do it, don't worry about it, I'll do it I'll tell you what you should do if you want to try but you just can t do it... you're an E-girl. You don't have the clip, right or and you don t want to do it? you just don't care about it or you just not interested? and can't ? don't even try and your not interested are you're just not interested, right?? just can t not even can you're not interested and not interesting? not so y no . NOT even ENJOYING IT? have you ever heard of something that s been a disaster? ? Not even once? NOT EVEN once AND NOT EVEN THING? , not even once? NOT EVEN AN E-GASKING YEAH, NOT EVEN A GOOD THING?! AND NOT ALREADY? AND I'S NOT INTERESTED? NO E THING IT'S A DISASK ME? OR NOT EVEN ENOUGH? BECAUSE I'M NOT EVEN INTERESTING, DO YOU KNOW THE CHEERING, OKAY?

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00:00:02.000 It's not interesting.
00:00:03.000 I'm sorry.
00:00:04.000 I'm sorry, Brittany and Betsy, but I just can't do it.
00:00:07.000 You're an e-girl. 1.00
00:00:07.000 You know the rule. 1.00
00:00:09.000 No e-girls. 1.00
00:00:10.000 Who's got the clip?
00:00:11.000 No e-girls. 1.00
00:00:12.000 Never!
00:00:13.000 Hashtag never e-girls. 0.96
00:00:15.000 Not even once.
00:01:27.000 Guy, I've never heard of Bigfoot.
00:01:29.000 Who's that?
00:02:24.000 The boomer generation and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. 1.00
00:03:13.000 You're not interested.
00:03:14.000 I'm sorry.
00:03:15.000 I'm sorry, Brittany and Betsy, but I just can't do it.
00:03:17.000 You're an e-girl. 1.00
00:03:18.000 You know the rule.
00:03:19.000 No e-girls. 1.00
00:03:21.000 Who's got the clip?
00:03:22.000 No e-girls. 1.00
00:03:23.000 Never!
00:03:24.000 Hashtag never e-girls. 0.96
00:03:26.000 Not even once.
00:04:38.000 Guy, I've never heard of Bigfoot.
00:04:40.000 Who's that?
00:05:34.000 The boomer generation and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. 1.00
00:06:24.000 You're not interested.
00:06:25.000 I'm sorry.
00:06:26.000 I'm sorry, Brittany Betsy, but I just can't do it.
00:06:28.000 You're an e-girl. 1.00
00:06:29.000 You know the rule.
00:06:30.000 No e-girls. 1.00
00:06:31.000 Who's got the clip?
00:06:33.000 No e-girls. 1.00
00:06:34.000 Never!
00:06:34.000 Hashtag never e-girls.
00:06:37.000 Not even once.
00:07:49.000 Guy, I've never heard of Nick Fletch.
00:07:50.000 Who's that?
00:08:45.000 The boomer generation and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. 1.00
00:09:34.000 If you're not interested, I'm sorry.
00:09:36.000 I'm sorry, Brittany and Betsy, but I just can't do it.
00:09:39.000 You're an e-girl, you know the rule. 1.00
00:09:41.000 No e-girls. 1.00
00:09:42.000 Who's got the clip?
00:09:43.000 No e-girls. 1.00
00:09:44.000 Never!
00:09:45.000 Hashtag never e-girls. 0.96
00:09:47.000 Not even once.
00:09:48.000 I've never heard of it.
00:09:51.000 What is that?
00:10:59.000 Yeah, I don't... I've never...
00:11:55.000 The Umer generation and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. 1.00
00:12:45.000 You're not interested.
00:12:46.000 I'm sorry.
00:12:47.000 I'm sorry, Brittany and Betsy, but I just can't do it.
00:12:49.000 You're an e-girl. 1.00
00:12:50.000 You know the rule.
00:12:51.000 No e-girls. 1.00
00:12:53.000 Who's got the clip?
00:12:54.000 No e-girls. 1.00
00:12:55.000 Never!
00:12:56.000 Hashtag never e-girls. 0.96
00:12:58.000 Not even once.
00:14:10.000 God, I've never heard of Bigfoot.
00:14:12.000 Who's that?
00:15:06.000 The boomer generation and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. 1.00
00:15:56.000 It's not interesting.
00:15:57.000 I'm sorry.
00:15:57.000 I'm sorry, Brittany and Betsy, but I just can't do it.
00:16:00.000 You're an e-girl. 1.00
00:16:01.000 You know the rule.
00:16:02.000 No e-girls. 1.00
00:16:03.000 Who's got the clip?
00:16:05.000 No e-girls. 1.00
00:16:06.000 Never!
00:16:06.000 Hashtag never e-girls.
00:16:09.000 Not even once.
00:17:21.000 God, I've never heard of Bigfoot.
00:17:22.000 Who's that?
00:18:17.000 ...and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
00:18:21.000 Americanism, not globalism, will be our credo!
00:18:27.000 The boomer generation and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. 1.00
00:18:34.000 Americanism, not globalism!
00:19:06.000 You're not interested.
00:19:07.000 I'm sorry.
00:19:08.000 I'm sorry, Brittany and Betsy, but I just can't do it.
00:19:11.000 You're an e-girl. 1.00
00:19:11.000 You know the rule. 1.00
00:19:13.000 No e-girls. 1.00
00:19:14.000 Who's got the clip?
00:19:15.000 No e-girls. 1.00
00:19:17.000 Never!
00:19:17.000 Hashtag never e-girls.
00:19:19.000 Not even once.
00:19:21.000 Guy, I remember her to think, what?
00:20:31.000 God, I don't...
00:21:27.000 ...and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
00:21:31.000 Americanism, not globalism, will be our credo!
00:21:38.000 The boomer generation and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. 1.00
00:21:44.000 Americanism, not globalism, will be our credo!
00:22:17.000 You're not interested?
00:22:18.000 I'm sorry.
00:22:19.000 I'm sorry, Brittany and Betsy, but I just can't do it.
00:22:21.000 You're an e-girl, you know the rule. 1.00
00:22:23.000 No e-girls. 1.00
00:22:25.000 Who's got the clip?
00:22:26.000 No e-girls. 1.00
00:22:27.000 Never!
00:22:28.000 Hashtag never e-girls. 0.96
00:22:30.000 Not even once.
00:22:32.000 Guy, I've never heard of Bigfoot.
00:23:41.000 Yeah, I don't know.
00:24:37.000 The boomer generation and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. 1.00
00:25:28.000 You're not interested.
00:25:29.000 I'm sorry.
00:25:29.000 I'm sorry, Brittany and Betsy, but I just can't do it.
00:25:32.000 You're an e-girl. 1.00
00:25:33.000 You know the rule.
00:25:34.000 No e-girls. 1.00
00:25:35.000 Who's got the clip?
00:25:37.000 No e-girls. 1.00
00:25:38.000 Never!
00:25:38.000 Hashtag never e-girls.
00:25:41.000 Not even once.
00:25:42.000 Guy, I've never heard of McFudge.
00:25:46.000 Who's that?
00:26:53.000 Yeah, I've never heard of this
00:27:49.000 ...and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
00:27:53.000 Americanism, not globalism, will be our freedom!
00:27:59.000 The boomer generation and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. 1.00
00:28:05.000 Americanism, not globalism, will be our freedom!
00:28:38.000 You're not interested.
00:28:39.000 I'm sorry.
00:28:40.000 I'm sorry, Brittany and Betsy, but I just can't do it.
00:28:43.000 You're an e-girl. 1.00
00:28:43.000 You know the rule. 1.00
00:28:45.000 No e-girls. 1.00
00:28:46.000 Who's got the clip?
00:28:47.000 No e-girls. 1.00
00:28:49.000 Never!
00:28:49.000 Hashtag never e-girls.
00:28:51.000 Not even once.
00:30:03.000 Yeah, I've never heard of him.
00:30:59.000 The boomer generation and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. 1.00
00:31:49.000 You're not interested.
00:31:50.000 I'm sorry.
00:31:51.000 I'm sorry, Brittany and Betsy, but I just can't do it.
00:31:53.000 You're an e-girl. 1.00
00:31:54.000 You know the rule.
00:31:55.000 No e-girls. 1.00
00:31:57.000 Who's got the clip?
00:31:58.000 No e-girls. 1.00
00:31:59.000 Never!
00:32:00.000 Hashtag never e-girls. 0.96
00:32:02.000 Not even once.
00:32:03.000 Guy, I've never heard him make fun of me.
00:33:14.000 Guy, I've never heard of Bigfoot.
00:33:16.000 Who's that?
00:33:52.000 Capitalism will be our credo.
00:33:57.000 It's going to be only America first. 0.99
00:34:02.000 America first.
00:34:06.000 The American people will come first once again.
00:34:33.000 America first!
00:34:35.000 America first!
00:35:51.000 Good evening, everybody.
00:35:52.000 We're watching America First.
00:35:54.000 My name is Nicholas J. Fuentes.
00:35:55.000 We have a great show for you tonight.
00:35:57.000 Very excited to be with you here tonight.
00:36:00.000 What is the date today?
00:36:01.000 Wednesday.
00:36:02.000 With a less-than-amazing outcome in the Groyper Wars.
00:36:08.000 For those of us who did not join us on DLive earlier, we just completed streaming.
00:36:14.000 The North Carolina State University Culture War event with Charlie Kirk.
00:36:20.000 And if you have been watching my Twitter, if you've been watching what people have been saying, the outcome was less than spectacular.
00:36:26.000 That's what we'll be talking about tonight.
00:36:28.000 We'll be going over what exactly happened.
00:36:30.000 We'll go over tactics, questions, a little bit of an autopsy, or diagnostics might be a little bit better, and how we're going to move forward.
00:36:39.000 But it's gonna be a good show in spite of, you know, perhaps some demoralization.
00:36:44.000 I think we're gonna keep the energy positive, we're gonna keep the vibes good, and we're gonna make it a good night.
00:36:50.000 At least you'll enjoy the content, at least there's gonna be a good show and a pretty funny stream for the most part in spite of this, but...
00:36:57.000 I guess we'll just dive right in.
00:36:59.000 Before I do, though, I do just want to remind everybody that we will actually have one more opportunity with Turning Point USA.
00:37:08.000 Of course, the YAF events, the Young America's Foundation events, will continue through the next week or so.
00:37:17.000 Through this week and next week.
00:37:18.000 I don't know if they have events in two weeks, but that's Shapiro, that's Walsh, Knowles, all these characters.
00:37:24.000 So we'll have more opportunities with YAF.
00:37:27.000 We will have one more.
00:37:28.000 It looks like one more opportunity with Turning Point USA.
00:37:31.000 Charlie Kirk will be doing another event tomorrow at the University of Houston.
00:37:36.000 I believe it starts at noon.
00:37:37.000 Don't quote me on that.
00:37:38.000 You can look up the information if you just Google Charlie Kirk.
00:37:42.000 Prove me wrong Houston or something like that.
00:37:44.000 I think you'll find it on Eventbrite.
00:37:47.000 You can get tickets and please, please, if you're going to that event, if you plan on attending, please watch this show and take what I say seriously.
00:37:56.000 You may have to pull an all-nighter, but we're gonna have one more shot, one more shot at Charlie Kirk here to, and I mean that rhetorically, to end things on a high note, one more opportunity to go off on a good note.
00:38:09.000 So I hope that if you plan on attending tomorrow, you will watch this show and
00:38:14.000 After seeing what happened tonight, you will take it seriously.
00:38:17.000 So, I don't think all is lost.
00:38:19.000 Even if we didn't have another opportunity, I think not all is lost.
00:38:22.000 But, I mean, let's just be out with it.
00:38:25.000 If you watched the stream on DLive, it did not go the way we had planned.
00:38:29.000 I don't think that we enjoyed the outcome.
00:38:32.000 If you were watching,
00:38:33.000 I was cringing throughout.
00:38:34.000 I think much of the audience was cringing throughout.
00:38:37.000 And I've heard a lot of people try to say things like, oh, well, you know, they didn't stream it, so let's just pretend it didn't happen.
00:38:43.000 Or some people are saying, well, you know, they cheated.
00:38:46.000 Or they're saying all kinds of things to cope.
00:38:49.000 But you know what?
00:38:50.000 I'll say this.
00:38:51.000 The reason our movement is strong
00:38:54.000 The reason we have such a mass loyal following here on this show and in what we're doing is because we're honest.
00:39:01.000 It's because we tell the truth.
00:39:03.000 We don't use duplicitous tactics.
00:39:05.000 We don't ignore things.
00:39:06.000 We bring them to the light and that makes us stronger.
00:39:08.000 So I'll say at the outset that I think the only way to overcome what we saw tonight is to embrace it head-on.
00:39:15.000 It's not going to be pretty, but we have to look at what went wrong tonight, analyze it, and we can figure out a way to adapt.
00:39:22.000 And I think it's very simple.
00:39:23.000 I think it's really very simple.
00:39:25.000 So I hope you'll stick with me.
00:39:26.000 I hope you're not too demoralized.
00:39:27.000 I'll say that although tonight didn't go the way that we wanted to, although it wasn't the outcome we preferred,
00:39:33.000 I'll say, after saying that we should take NL gracefully tonight, I don't think it was a victory for us.
00:39:39.000 I think we should concede that, basically.
00:39:42.000 And to cope, I think, signals weakness.
00:39:44.000 I don't think we need to cope.
00:39:46.000 I think we've had four weeks of victories.
00:39:48.000 I think we have many victories ahead of us.
00:39:50.000 And in a war, you win.
00:39:52.000 And if you lose one time, then consider it a great war, right?
00:39:56.000 If we've had how many battles, over a dozen battles over the last four weeks, and we lost one night, and I hope it doesn't sound like coping, it's not the end of the world.
00:40:05.000 So, you know, all this kind of stuff about, well, it's not so bad, or we could ignore it, or whatever.
00:40:10.000 I don't think we need to engage in this, I think, given who we are, what we've been doing,
00:40:15.000 How little we have used, or how little resources we've used to such great effect, and we've drawn so much blood.
00:40:22.000 I don't think we need to do that.
00:40:23.000 I think we can honestly say tonight it didn't go as planned, but tomorrow we'll have another event, and the next day we'll have another event, and so on.
00:40:31.000 So, we're going to engage with it.
00:40:33.000 All that said, I don't think it was a huge and total catastrophe.
00:40:36.000 You know, I see some people in the live chat during the stream, oh I'm blackmailed again, this is terrible, whatever.
00:40:43.000 And I'll admit, it wasn't pretty, it wasn't a fun time after four weeks of Joker dancing and all the rest, but I don't think it was as disastrous as everybody or some people have been saying on the stream.
00:40:53.000 You know, and I tweeted out right before the show, it's not even exactly a victory for Charlie Kirk.
00:40:58.000 Well, we can say that maybe we took the L.
00:41:01.000 I don't think this was exactly a huge victory for Charlie Kirk.
00:41:05.000 Certainly he was able to maybe halt our advances.
00:41:08.000 Maybe he was able to turn us back.
00:41:10.000 I would say this is the first effective countermeasure or the first truly effective counterattack since this whole thing started.
00:41:17.000 And think about it.
00:41:18.000 We've been at this for four weeks.
00:41:20.000 They've tried dismissing us, smearing us, blacklisting us, doxing us, trying to de-platform us, cutting streams, manipulating lines.
00:41:29.000 I mean, they've tried everything in the book and it took them four weeks to figure out a tactic that was somewhat effective where Charlie Kirk didn't get humiliated at his own event during his own Q&A.
00:41:39.000 Now, can we say that's a huge victory?
00:41:41.000 In a certain sense, a night like tonight was sorely needed for Charlie Kirk, sorely needed for Turning Point USA.
00:41:49.000 Because, how do they explain to their donors, and how do people who support this organization, people inside the organization, how do they explain to themselves or their superiors
00:41:58.000 Why a band of, you know, what, a decentralized movement, a band of groipers, a band of internet people, mobilized by me on this show, completely decentralized, completely spontaneous, how we have been able to routinely rout and embarrass these people at their own events, even in spite of all their countermeasures, all their money, all the smears which have been ineffective.
00:42:21.000 So, I don't want it to sound a certain way, but
00:42:24.000 You know, let's put things in their proper perspective.
00:42:27.000 You know, maybe we didn't win tonight, you could say that maybe we lost, but Charlie Kirk surviving a Q&A at his own event after four weeks of brutality, and by the way, I don't think he came out of this looking great himself either, and I'll get to that towards the end.
00:42:40.000 It's not like this was an effortless victory on his part, right?
00:42:44.000 I mean, there were some good questions by us that I think landed some blows.
00:42:47.000 There were moments during this Q&A where we had most of the room chanting in our favor,
00:42:52.000 The times that he maybe did score points on us, it was only half the crowd.
00:42:56.000 You know, so to get half your own crowd at your own event, at your own turning point event, where you control the microphone, cheering for your ideology after yelling and asking the questioner questions, interrogating, doing all these underhanded things.
00:43:09.000 I mean, we can say that we didn't win, but can we really say that Charlie Kirk came out of this looking like
00:43:14.000 The great hero, Groyper's defeated.
00:43:16.000 I think that's probably not true either.
00:43:18.000 So, but we'll get into it.
00:43:20.000 Of course, what am I talking about?
00:43:22.000 Tonight, Charlie Kirk was at the North Carolina State University to do what is really a kind of officially one of the final events of his Culture War tour.
00:43:31.000 We've been covering this.
00:43:32.000 We've been showing up at these events for the past four weeks.
00:43:35.000 Tonight was his last speech in the evening.
00:43:38.000 Like I said, tomorrow he'll be doing a Q&A event in the afternoon, but these have been relatively minor events.
00:43:43.000 We're good to go!
00:44:01.000 Ohio and Florida yesterday, the tactic by Charlie Kirk has been simply to dismiss the questions.
00:44:07.000 And if you've been following this, if you've been watching, last night he tried to fight back a little bit, but generally speaking for the last four weeks, the tactics have been very slow to change on Charlie Kirk's part.
00:44:19.000 Of course our tactic, and it is tactics, it is sort of, you know, what does Klauswitz say?
00:44:24.000 That war is the extension of politics by other means?
00:44:26.000 Kind of corny, like poli-sci, gay stuff, but 1.00
00:44:29.000 I mean, you understand that there are tactics and strategies and we are thinking about rhetoric and how this is affecting people's perceptions, right?
00:44:37.000 And so our tactic has been to show up to these Q&As and the frame is this.
00:44:41.000 We are the real conservatives.
00:44:43.000 We are the America First conservatives.
00:44:45.000 We are the real...
00:44:47.000 Inheritors, the real vanguards of what Trump started in 2016, which maybe has been led astray by grifters like Charlie Kirk or people in his administration. 0.73
00:44:55.000 We're young, we're Christians, we're the real conservatives, and we're simply here to ask our questions.
00:45:00.000 You know, that has always been the frame.
00:45:01.000 And it's been very successful because we understand that because of the way Charlie Kirk's organization operates, he cannot even discuss the topics we're talking about
00:45:10.000 We're good to go!
00:45:27.000 We've been able to get by, I think, without really having a strong idea of, you know, laying out arguments and things like this.
00:45:35.000 Because Charlie Kirk has been dismissing and smearing and relying on all these sort of tactics, everything other than engaging the questions, I think we have gotten away, basically.
00:45:44.000 We've been allowed maybe to get lazy or complacent with these sort of drive-by shots.
00:45:49.000 Which I've been, which you know if you've been watching the Super Chats I've been criticizing these and I don't like to say I told you so.
00:45:55.000 I know the people are on the front lines and they're the ones asking the questions and I get that, but this is something I've been saying.
00:46:00.000 If you've been watching the show you can't say that I haven't, that we've been getting lazy with these sort of drive-by snipes.
00:46:07.000 And they've been effective only because we'll get somebody up there asking a question and Charlie Kirk, because he dismisses it or ignores it or uses some other underhanded way to evade the question, we're able to land these blows without a real engagement with the other side, without actually having to engage in a debate.
00:46:24.000 So that's how it's been for four weeks.
00:46:26.000 Tonight it was different.
00:46:27.000 Tonight it was different.
00:46:28.000 It was a big tactics change on the part of Charlie Kirk.
00:46:31.000 As I said, we've been doing these questions and they have tried
00:46:35.000 They're best to make it seem like our questions are unserious, or the people asking them are bad people, or just physically trying to prevent people from getting in line to ask them, trying to prevent people from seeing the questions asked by shutting down streams.
00:46:49.000 You know, so, like I said, all the tactics up to this point have been just simply evading.
00:46:54.000 If they do ask the questions, well, nobody will see them because we're not streaming them.
00:46:57.000 If they show up to the event, well, they won't be in line to ask their question because we'll check their IDs and we'll put people in front of them.
00:47:03.000 Well, if they do ask a question, we'll just pivot and talk about something else.
00:47:07.000 So that has been the modus operandi.
00:47:08.000 Tonight, Charlie Kirch has simply engaged with them.
00:47:11.000 And he engaged with the questions aggressively, some might say in a maybe mean-spirited way, but it was effective.
00:47:19.000 And I think we do have to give the Groypers who are there tonight a little bit of... we have to be a little charitable with them tonight because this was the first time that we saw a real break in the strategy.
00:47:28.000 Like I said, whereas for the past four weeks it was non-engagement, it was very passive, it was just kind of taking these questions.
00:47:35.000 Tonight he gave feedback and he fought back very aggressively.
00:47:39.000 He was very defensive.
00:47:41.000 I think you could say he was intimidating, bullying our people.
00:47:44.000 And you know what?
00:47:45.000 I don't think we could say, foul, that's not fair, whatever, because that's the game.
00:47:48.000 So I think maybe people showed up to this event tonight and, you know, like I said, the questions, I'll just be straight up about it, they were not good.
00:47:56.000 The questions were not framed good.
00:47:58.000 The people delivering them did not deliver them effectively.
00:48:01.000 When Charlie Kirk gave them pushback, they were not prepared to respond.
00:48:04.000 They were not prepared for counter fire.
00:48:07.000 And I will temper that by saying that given what we've seen in the past four weeks, maybe other questioners made it look easy.
00:48:14.000 Because it's not an easy thing to confront somebody at their own event when they have the microphone and they're on the stage.
00:48:20.000 For a lot of people that aren't familiar with this stuff to begin with, it's easy for me to debate Charlie Kirk because I do extemporaneous political speaking every night.
00:48:28.000 And as such, I hear these arguments on a daily basis.
00:48:31.000 I engage with them on a daily basis.
00:48:33.000 I talk to a large audience on a daily basis.
00:48:36.000 So you look at the public speaking element, you think about the familiarity with the arguments and the issues.
00:48:41.000 It's a difficult thing.
00:48:42.000 You can get flustered easily.
00:48:44.000 Now, that's no excuse for not preparing, but I will say that it's a challenging thing.
00:48:48.000 People before, I think, made it look easy.
00:48:50.000 Charlie Kirk changed his tactics and lashed out very aggressively, very hard.
00:48:54.000 And so, in some sense, you could say that some of these Groypers could be forgiven, to an extent, for not totally being ready for what we saw tonight. 0.92
00:49:02.000 That said, there has to be some culpability.
00:49:04.000 You know, there's no glory without the risk.
00:49:06.000 And what is the risk?
00:49:07.000 That something like tonight happens.
00:49:09.000 So, we don't want to shame those people too hard.
00:49:11.000 They were courageous.
00:49:12.000 They stepped up to the plate.
00:49:14.000 They were in the arena.
00:49:16.000 And people that are not in the arena, I don't think can countersignal people that are.
00:49:19.000 That said, as somebody that is in the arena, I'll say when we show up tomorrow, or show up to these other events for the rest of the week or the next week, we got to do better.
00:49:27.000 We just simply have to do better.
00:49:29.000 It's not the end of the world, not a bad person, but you've got to prepare.
00:49:32.000 You've got to listen.
00:49:33.000 And I know a lot of people have been, it's very exciting, it's all this, but maybe we needed this to an extent.
00:49:39.000 We got a little high on our own supply, maybe people got carried away,
00:49:43.000 They thought they'd waltz into Charlie Kirk headquarters, blast him with an Israel question, do a little drive-by shot.
00:49:49.000 I don't care.
00:49:49.000 Nick said we can't do drive-bys.
00:49:51.000 Nick says we can't do these Israel questions.
00:49:53.000 Well, I think we're gonna win.
00:49:55.000 I'm totally white-pilled.
00:49:56.000 Maybe this was a little bit of a wake-up call, reality check, and hopefully people will be humbled by this and remember that, again, we really have to be effective here.
00:50:06.000 So again, I don't want to totally throw those guys under the bus, but it is just more of a teachable moment.
00:50:10.000 So, they were courageous, they stepped up to the plate, but next time we're gonna have to do a little bit better.
00:50:15.000 We're gonna have to expect a little bit more.
00:50:16.000 And we'll get into all the questions, we'll get into the arguments, some of the trickery and everything.
00:50:21.000 I'll say also, some people are saying, well...
00:50:24.000 You know, it's one step back, two steps forward kind of a thing.
00:50:26.000 And I think that's true.
00:50:27.000 It's a much broader conflict.
00:50:29.000 It's been going on for a long time.
00:50:30.000 It will continue for years, I think.
00:50:33.000 You know, the Groyper thing is just getting started. 0.90
00:50:34.000 So, it's not to say that everything is over, but I would caution against this mentality that we shouldn't take tonight seriously or understand the gravity of it.
00:50:42.000 Something to keep in mind is that, again, this is a totally unfair fight.
00:50:46.000 And I don't say that as somebody that's complaining.
00:50:48.000 I say that as somebody that recognizes the reality of the situation and the kind of attitude that it takes to win.
00:50:54.000 In the sense that I'm not saying, oh, it's so unfair and we Charlie Kirk cheated or whatever.
00:51:01.000 But it is to say that we can't afford, we cannot absorb the same amount of losses that Turning Point can.
00:51:07.000 Turning Point has been losing for four weeks.
00:51:09.000 Turning Point has been humiliated at every event that they've done for four weeks, right?
00:51:14.000 We've been coming into their events and just eating their lunch, drinking their milkshake, you know?
00:51:18.000 And so they can absorb them because they have billionaire donors, they've got everybody in DC in their pocket, right?
00:51:26.000 And so to be attacked by us for weeks and weeks and weeks on end, even if their counterattacks aren't effective and so on,
00:51:32.000 They can absorb these losses because they have a huge infrastructure advantage, huge donor advantage.
00:51:38.000 You know, in a sense, they are playing defense.
00:51:40.000 They have a very delicate thing that they're trying to protect, and we can knock it off.
00:51:45.000 I mean, we can really disrupt their gravy train, their apple cart, right?
00:51:49.000 Kind of mixing analogies here.
00:51:51.000 We can disrupt their very fragile thing if we are smart and if we're prudent.
00:51:56.000 So, they are playing defense, there are some advantages to this, or rather some disadvantages, but there also are some advantages.
00:52:02.000 The disadvantage is that it's fragile.
00:52:04.000 The disadvantage is that they do have, they're sort of spread out, they do have these soft targets, they do have to defend their ideology.
00:52:11.000 That said, all they have to do is play defense.
00:52:14.000 You know, Charlie Kirk doesn't have to win hearts and minds because he's on Fox News, right?
00:52:18.000 Because he has a huge platform, he has money people, he has all the influencers on his payroll, right?
00:52:24.000 And I'm not saying this in a salty way, I'm saying this in a completely analytical way.
00:52:28.000 So, all he has to do is survive a night like tonight.
00:52:31.000 Like, I don't think he came off looking great.
00:52:33.000 I think we definitely didn't look good, but I don't think he looked great either.
00:52:37.000 At the bare minimum, you could say that his event was out of control, you could say that people were there trying to disrupt him,
00:52:42.000 You could say that a lot of the questions weren't really compelling.
00:52:45.000 He shut down a lot of people.
00:52:46.000 He came off looking kind of nasty and angry.
00:52:49.000 That's not to say that he didn't need this tonight, and because of what's been going on for four weeks, it couldn't be seen as a subjective or a relative win.
00:52:57.000 But it is to say that that's really all he needs to do is to meet this very low bar for survival.
00:53:03.000 Well, if he stopped the onslaught of the Groypers, he gave, you know, sufficient 1.00
00:53:07.000 Passable answers to these questions.
00:53:09.000 Well, you know what?
00:53:10.000 That's good enough because he's got all these other influencers, all this media, all this money behind him.
00:53:16.000 And so when we think about a loss, I think, for us like tonight, we can't take a lot of these.
00:53:21.000 A woman like ours already has enough disadvantages. 1.00
00:53:24.000 It's already unfair enough.
00:53:26.000 Losses start stacking up.
00:53:27.000 That's problematic.
00:53:28.000 That's not to say that they're going to.
00:53:29.000 They don't have to.
00:53:30.000 You know, tonight was obviously the anomaly.
00:53:32.000 We've been winning for four weeks.
00:53:33.000 We had one bad night.
00:53:35.000 It's just a caution against a mentality that, oh, big deal, okay, we can pretend it didn't happen.
00:53:40.000 No.
00:53:41.000 We will lose if that's a mentality.
00:53:42.000 We have to look at what happened tonight and make sure it never happens again.
00:53:45.000 We can only afford one or two nights like this before people say, oh, you know, these guys are exactly what all the media is saying they are, which is unserious, and their ideas are bad, and so on.
00:53:55.000 And so that's why it's important for me tonight
00:53:57.000 To kind of do, I guess it's damage control, I don't like that phrase, but to show you that these arguments are defeatable.
00:54:05.000 You know, Charlie Kirk, we've been routing him for four weeks, and even the defense that he put up tonight, it was an ambush.
00:54:10.000 He caught us off guard.
00:54:11.000 He basically staged this whole thing, right?
00:54:14.000 In the sense that it's sort of like a ringer, it's like the rope-a-dope, you know?
00:54:18.000 He was leaning against the ropes, he was taking all our hits for four weeks, like Muhammad Ali, and then... It's not really a perfect analogy, because George Foreman's much bigger than Muhammad Ali, but, you know, he's been taking hits against the rope, and he's been waiting for us to get lazy, waiting for us to get complacent, perhaps.
00:54:34.000 I don't know if this was planned, but this is how it worked out.
00:54:37.000 And then once he saw an opening, oh, he came back with a very effective counter.
00:54:41.000 We're good to go!
00:55:03.000 I don't know.
00:55:03.000 Accepting money from Scientologists and Zionists?
00:55:06.000 Like, maybe he's gifted at that.
00:55:07.000 I don't know.
00:55:08.000 But when you look at the way that he argues, this is not somebody who is a master of the facts.
00:55:13.000 He's not really in control of the conversation.
00:55:16.000 If he were not on the stage holding the microphone and one of his minions was holding the microphone for us,
00:55:21.000 I don't think, again, if it was a more symmetrical and equal playing field, there was some reciprocity, I don't think he could really hold his own very effectively.
00:55:30.000 But we do have to account for these advantages.
00:55:32.000 So he's not very smart.
00:55:33.000 His ideas aren't good.
00:55:34.000 They're wrong.
00:55:35.000 His arguments tonight were not very compelling.
00:55:37.000 If you're really listening and it wasn't just sort of this proxy battle where it's like, cheer for your guy, cheer for our guy, you know, I don't think anybody would really be swayed by these arguments.
00:55:47.000 But it's the first time that he's made counter-arguments.
00:55:50.000 So tonight I think I'm going to look at some of these questions, we're going to break down the arguments, we're going to break down the tactics later on, and we'll hopefully evolve from this.
00:55:58.000 But I hope people are watching the show and they're paying attention.
00:56:01.000 And more than anything, I hope if there's gripers coming tomorrow to Houston or if they're going to other events this week or next week,
00:56:09.000 I hope you realize that from now on, quality over quantity.
00:56:14.000 We've shown that we're everywhere.
00:56:16.000 We've buried them.
00:56:17.000 That's good.
00:56:18.000 Now that they're using these counterattacks, we need people that are going to be able to deliver effective blows.
00:56:23.000 Like, I'll take that guy yesterday at Florida University, that guy that did the questionaries wearing the yarmulke and the Bernie shirt or whatever.
00:56:33.000 Why should we support you?
00:56:48.000 I don't want to say that in a mean way, but just look, we're fighting.
00:56:52.000 We have to put our egos aside.
00:56:53.000 We have to do what's best for the team, for the Griper movement, right? 1.00
00:56:57.000 So moving forward, if you're not, if you think that you're going to choke, if you think that this isn't for you, I don't, I'm not confident that I'm going to be able to get up to the microphone and deliver what I need to say.
00:57:06.000 I think you might want to rethink it.
00:57:08.000 You know, and a lot of people, the incentive is there.
00:57:11.000 I want to humiliate Charlie Kirk.
00:57:12.000 I want to get retweeted.
00:57:13.000 I want the dopamine.
00:57:14.000 I want the shout out.
00:57:16.000 You got to put that aside.
00:57:17.000 If you're not, if you're not able to execute, yeah, you're gonna make us look bad.
00:57:22.000 And you don't want to make the whole movement fail because, you know, you wanted a little dopamine, whatever, right?
00:57:26.000 So I think everybody agrees on this.
00:57:28.000 But we'll go through these questions.
00:57:30.000 You know, the first question to me was, this was the worst one.
00:57:33.000 This was the biggest ambush.
00:57:34.000 And just about everything that could have went wrong with this question went wrong.
00:57:39.000 The person came up, and this questioner wasn't even totally bad.
00:57:43.000 The first guy that came up to ask the question, I don't think he... he didn't do very much wrong.
00:57:48.000 I think he was basically on point.
00:57:49.000 He came up and he said, I'm a father, I'm a Christian, I believe in America first.
00:57:55.000 He said, you know, your organization put out a statement yesterday at Florida State, which you might have seen, or University of Florida, 0.85
00:58:01.000 And in the statement it said that, oh, the event was sabotaged by evil white nationalists. 0.99
00:58:06.000 They're evil. 1.00
00:58:06.000 Groupers are evil. 1.00
00:58:08.000 They're terrible. 1.00
00:58:08.000 Whatever. 1.00
00:58:10.000 And so he said, well, you put out the statement and you said that people like me are evil white nationalists. 0.91
00:58:15.000 He said, are you going to call me evil?
00:58:17.000 And then I think he asked a follow-up question about me or something.
00:58:21.000 I kind of forgot the exact wording of it.
00:58:23.000 And the question was kind of good.
00:58:25.000 Charlie Kirk launched back with a question of his own, you know, and this is where, this is the first tactical mistake, which is, and I think I said this yesterday very briefly, so you'd be forgiven if you weren't prepared for this, but you have to force him to answer the question.
00:58:38.000 It's a Q&A.
00:58:39.000 He's there to answer your questions.
00:58:41.000 You are not there to be asked questions.
00:58:43.000 Generally speaking, I think if you find yourself in this situation and you cannot engage,
00:58:48.000 You have to just stick to the script.
00:58:49.000 Answer my question.
00:58:50.000 I'm here to ask questions.
00:58:51.000 Answer my question.
00:58:52.000 I'm not a public figure.
00:58:53.000 I don't run Turning Point USA.
00:58:54.000 You are.
00:58:55.000 Answer my question.
00:58:56.000 So either, if you feel confident enough to engage, engage.
00:59:00.000 But if you don't think you're up to the task, then you're gonna have to just say, you know what, I'm here to ask questions and you're here to answer them.
00:59:07.000 But at the bare minimum, don't let him pivot.
00:59:10.000 Don't let him obfuscate.
00:59:11.000 And that's exactly what happened.
00:59:12.000 He was answering questions with questions.
00:59:15.000 So the first guy came up and said, well, are you gonna call him evil?
00:59:17.000 And it was a very well-formulated question.
00:59:20.000 Unfortunately, he let it get away because Charlie Kirk came back with, well, do you know what identity Europa is?
00:59:26.000 And at that point you should have said, uh, no.
00:59:29.000 Answer my question.
00:59:31.000 That takes the wind right out of his sails.
00:59:32.000 No, I don't know what that is.
00:59:33.000 Can you answer my question?
00:59:34.000 And if he says no, you answer my question.
00:59:36.000 Say, no, I'm here to ask and you're here to answer.
00:59:38.000 Answer my question.
00:59:40.000 And don't let him bully you on this.
00:59:41.000 Don't let him move you on this.
00:59:43.000 He's on the stage.
00:59:44.000 Remember, he's on the stage and you're in the audience.
00:59:46.000 Again, there's some advantages to being on stage.
00:59:49.000 You're in control of the microphone.
00:59:50.000 You're, in a sense, in control logistically of the conversation.
00:59:54.000 But you also are on the hot seat.
00:59:56.000 You're also the one that everybody's looking at.
00:59:58.000 So if it comes down to a stalemate of, uh, no, you answer my question, no, you answer my question, don't, don't feel bad about that.
01:00:06.000 I know people might feel awkward.
01:00:07.000 They might feel insecure and feel the need to answer.
01:00:11.000 They might feel, because I know how these social dynamics work.
01:00:14.000 When it gets into a contentious back and forth like this,
01:00:17.000 There is sort of this internal pressure of, uh, I might as well just answer.
01:00:21.000 You cannot let him overpower you in that sense, because again, he's on the stage.
01:00:25.000 So if it comes down to a stalemate, if you answer, no you answer. 1.00
01:00:29.000 By the virtue of the fact that he's on the stage, he's looking like the idiot. 1.00
01:00:32.000 You know? 1.00
01:00:32.000 If it comes down to this, well, nobody's answering the question, well, who's on the stage? 1.00
01:00:36.000 Whose event is it? 0.93
01:00:37.000 So don't be afraid if it turns into something that looks pedantic or ridiculous. 0.99
01:00:41.000 You don't look ridiculous. 0.96
01:00:42.000 You're a patriot asking a question. 0.99
01:00:44.000 He's there to field them.
01:00:45.000 So that's a little note on the tactic.
01:00:47.000 But Charlie Kirk comes back with, well, do you know what Identity Europa is?
01:00:51.000 Uh, this was a back-and-forth.
01:00:52.000 Again, I don't know the exact quotes here.
01:00:54.000 But the guy basically said, like, no, I don't know what that is.
01:00:56.000 What does that have to do with my question?
01:00:57.000 He actually did okay, so he answered my question.
01:01:00.000 And, uh, so they went back and forth on this Charlie Kirk's identity, Europa's this neo-Nazi organization, blah, blah, blah.
01:01:07.000 And this is where it went so wrong.
01:01:09.000 And this is where our goipers fell right into the trap, played right into his hands.
01:01:13.000 Charlie Kirk said, does anybody in this line support Identity... and he kept mispronouncing it. 1.00
01:01:18.000 He kept calling it Identity Yevropa, because he's an idiot. 0.97
01:01:22.000 He says, does anybody in this line support Identity Yevropa? 0.97
01:01:27.000 And of course, invariably, we had one Groyper dutifully raise his hand and say, yes, I will defend Identity Europa.
01:01:34.000 And he saunters up to the microphone to collect his dopamine, to collect his attention.
01:01:40.000 I shouldn't say that.
01:01:41.000 I don't want to read into it his motivations.
01:01:43.000 You know, maybe you're in the heat of the moment, whatever, but this was the worst thing that you could possibly do.
01:01:48.000 You allowed Charlie Kirk first to pivot from the question, and then pivot from the person asking the question, because Charlie Kirk didn't like the back and forth that he was getting.
01:01:57.000 He wanted somebody at that microphone to defend Identity Europa.
01:02:01.000 He completely controlled the frame, completely misdirected it.
01:02:04.000 It went from a guy who said, I'm a father, I'm a Christian, and you're calling me evil, to Charlie Kirk asking the question that he wanted to ask.
01:02:11.000 The Q&A is not Charlie Kirk asking Gruyper's questions, it's Gruyper's asking Charlie Kirk questions.
01:02:17.000 So it went from, hi, I have a question about, you know, the statement you put out, to Charlie Kirk saying, I want somebody in the line to defend Identity Europa.
01:02:27.000 I want to ask somebody in the line who defends Identity Europa.
01:02:30.000 And playing into that is the worst thing you could possibly do. 0.99
01:02:34.000 Reframe the question and you brought somebody forward who's going to defend something very stupid. 0.99
01:02:38.000 If Charlie Kirk is asking you to step up to the microphone, do not step up to the microphone. 0.98
01:02:43.000 He's doing that for a reason.
01:02:44.000 He is trying to pivot.
01:02:46.000 Understand, and you know, again, because we're the truth tellers and we care about the facts, Identity Europa doesn't exist.
01:02:52.000 So Charlie Kirk, understand what he's doing here.
01:02:54.000 It's very deliberate.
01:02:55.000 He's trying to paint everybody in that line, and this is, uh, you know, I guess piggybacking on what Ben Shapiro did last week.
01:03:02.000 The tactic is still to smear, the overarching strategy is to smear all of these questioners as alt-right.
01:03:09.000 To smear everybody is alt-right, so what is the closest proximity to the alt-right?
01:03:14.000 Regrettably, it's Patrick Casey who leads AIM.
01:03:18.000 Patrick Casey was, at a time, in Identity Europa.
01:03:20.000 Now, that said, Identity Europa doesn't exist anymore.
01:03:23.000 But Charlie Kirk's strategy is, well, if I can tie these groipers to this guy who's talking about them, who was in Identity Europa, you know, a year ago, and Identity Europa was connected to people in the alt-right, well, it's like five degrees of separation.
01:03:36.000 I can say legitimately, oh, they're just more of the same.
01:03:40.000 They're trolls. 0.97
01:03:40.000 Disregard them. 0.97
01:03:42.000 Got something in my sleeve here.
01:03:44.000 So, that's that strategy at play.
01:03:46.000 So when he says, defend Identity Europa, what he's saying is, I want a Groyper to come here and validate my conspiracy theory that everyone here is part of the alt-right. 0.99
01:03:56.000 Everyone here is part of a hate movement.
01:03:57.000 You know, because our job here is not to rehabilitate Identity Europa, our job is to talk about America first.
01:04:03.000 If we're talking about the alt-right and Identity Europa, we lose.
01:04:06.000 We don't win that conversation.
01:04:07.000 There is no winning that conversation.
01:04:09.000 We win when we talk about the issues.
01:04:11.000 We lose when we talk about, like Grandpa Groyper did David Duke.
01:04:14.000 We lose when we talk about, you know, things like that.
01:04:17.000 We're winning when we're talking about mass immigration, demographic change, Christian values, dual loyalty, dual allegiance, things like this. 0.97
01:04:25.000 So this guy dutifully comes up.
01:04:27.000 Oh, hi Charlie Kirk.
01:04:27.000 Yes, I will defend.
01:04:29.000 He might as well have said, hey, can anyone defend neo-Nazis?
01:04:31.000 Yeah, I will.
01:04:33.000 I know that's not what he said, but it might as well have been the case.
01:04:37.000 And so Charlie Kirk said, Identity Europa is a neo-Nazi group trying to take over the government.
01:04:41.000 Well, they don't exist.
01:04:42.000 That's not what they were when they did exist.
01:04:44.000 That wasn't their goal when they did exist.
01:04:46.000 But fundamentally, none of this matters.
01:04:48.000 Everybody in the line should have just said, I have no idea what you're talking about.
01:04:51.000 I have no idea what you're talking about.
01:04:52.000 I don't know what you're talking about.
01:04:54.000 What is Identity Europa?
01:04:57.000 Oh, that sounds really weird.
01:04:58.000 I have no idea what you're talking about.
01:04:59.000 And you want to know why?
01:05:00.000 Because nobody in the audience knows what he's talking about.
01:05:03.000 It's just like Ben Shapiro's speech last week.
01:05:05.000 For him to go up and read off the cookie question joke.
01:05:08.000 Nobody in the audience knows what that means.
01:05:10.000 You don't have to sit there and defend that. 1.00
01:05:11.000 Play dumb. 0.99
01:05:12.000 Oh, Identity Europa? 1.00
01:05:13.000 What's that?
01:05:14.000 Is that some kind of... What did Sam Hyde say?
01:05:18.000 You know, Joe Bernstein says.
01:05:19.000 Are you a member of the alt-right?
01:05:20.000 What is that?
01:05:21.000 Some kind of indie bookstore?
01:05:22.000 We have no idea what that is, right?
01:05:25.000 That's because if you acknowledge that, you allow him to change the frame.
01:05:29.000 And he's in a position to do that because he controls a microphone.
01:05:32.000 So that's a word on tactics.
01:05:33.000 That's a word on the question.
01:05:35.000 Guy saunters up and Charlie Kirk says, do you believe in a white ethnostate?
01:05:39.000 Guy, thankfully, said no because we don't.
01:05:42.000 Nobody in our movement.
01:05:43.000 So even though this was like probably the worst question of the whole thing, I mean, this one, this engagement is the worst of the whole Groyper war.
01:05:51.000 Even still, it wasn't as bad as it could have been.
01:05:53.000 That he said, are you alt-right?
01:05:54.000 Are you
01:05:55.000 You know, supporter of a white ethnostate. 0.90
01:05:57.000 He said no.
01:05:57.000 Thank God he said that.
01:05:59.000 And he said that because it's true. 0.89
01:06:01.000 You could pick any random person out of the Groypers and they'll say no because that's not what we support. 1.00
01:06:05.000 But he's trying to go, don't you see?
01:06:07.000 He says, well then why do you care about the country becoming minority white? 0.84
01:06:12.000 And this guy who defended Identity Europa comes up and says yes.
01:06:17.000 Charlie Kirk says why?
01:06:18.000 He says because I don't want to become a minority in my own country.
01:06:21.000 Now, all things considered, that was a decent exchange.
01:06:24.000 That was a pretty okay exchange.
01:06:26.000 To say that you care.
01:06:27.000 To say that you don't want to be a minority. 0.99
01:06:30.000 It's a little bit questionable optically.
01:06:32.000 It's a little bit questionably.
01:06:33.000 Sounds a little 1.0 type stuff or 2.0 type stuff.
01:06:37.000 But, you know, I don't think that was the worst way to handle that.
01:06:40.000 That said, then he tries to bring out Charlie Kirk.
01:06:43.000 Says, well, do you believe to be an American you have to have white skin?
01:06:46.000 And the guy brings up the 1790 Immigration Act.
01:06:49.000 That's the wrong way to take it.
01:06:50.000 That's the wrong place to go. 0.65
01:06:52.000 If you're going to go there, it has to be under the guise of hypocrisy.
01:06:56.000 Well, Charlie Kirk, if you oppose people defining immigration by skin color, what about the Founding Fathers that did such and such?
01:07:02.000 That has to be the angle.
01:07:04.000 Remember, we are not ethno-nationalists.
01:07:06.000 We are not white nationalists.
01:07:08.000 So bringing up the 1790 Immigration Act, other than to show that Charlie Kirk would call the Founding Fathers white nationalists, is not a useful piece.
01:07:15.000 We have to sort of flush out a lot of this, you know, three, four-year-old memetic stuff that doesn't really work in this setting.
01:07:23.000 Again, remember, we're concerned about mass immigration.
01:07:25.000 We're presenting persuasive optical arguments.
01:07:27.000 This is neither persuasive nor optical.
01:07:29.000 It is a red herring.
01:07:30.000 You're allowing him to define the conversation.
01:07:32.000 So, you know, generally, to unpack this whole first question,
01:07:37.000 I would say we know nothing about the alt-right.
01:07:39.000 We don't want anything to do with the alt-right.
01:07:41.000 If he even brings that up, it just has to be such a denial of this.
01:07:46.000 You can't even engage with this.
01:07:47.000 Because he's not engaging in good faith.
01:07:49.000 He's not having an honest conversation.
01:07:51.000 He's not seeking common ground.
01:07:52.000 He's not curious about your views.
01:07:54.000 And when he asks do you support a white ethnostate, that is a disingenuous, dishonest question designed to make you look a certain way.
01:08:02.000 He's trying to make you a target. 0.98
01:08:03.000 He's trying to make you look like a Nazi. 0.99
01:08:05.000 He's trying to say, this guy hates minorities and he should be doxxed or whatever. 0.98
01:08:09.000 That's what Dan Crenshaw said. 0.90
01:08:11.000 That's what they're trying to do.
01:08:12.000 So if they try anything that sounds like it was remotely connected to the alt-right, Seville, you just have to shut that down right away.
01:08:20.000 I will not engage on this.
01:08:21.000 I don't know what you're talking about.
01:08:22.000 We are America first.
01:08:23.000 And that has to be the end of that story.
01:08:26.000 Cannot engage on that.
01:08:27.000 Because, and you know, because they have control of the frame on this, he's on the stage, and they have control of the media, that is what they want so bad for us to look like.
01:08:36.000 So you just cannot engage with those kinds of questions.
01:08:39.000 It also, if anybody actually cares about the truth, if they actually watch the show, we are not alt-right.
01:08:44.000 We do not support a white ethnostate. 0.94
01:08:46.000 We do not believe that skin color defines America.
01:08:49.000 We believe, as Patrick Buchanan said,
01:08:51.000 Race is not everything, but it isn't nothing.
01:08:54.000 And what we're talking about is not whether or not you define an American based on their skin color.
01:08:59.000 We're talking about should the country pursue radical demographic change in the span of 50 years.
01:09:05.000 That's the question.
01:09:06.000 So Charlie Kirk wants to reframe it as, well, who's American?
01:09:09.000 Am I only American if I'm white?
01:09:11.000 That's really not what we're talking about.
01:09:12.000 What we're talking about is very particular.
01:09:15.000 Very particular to our time and to our country.
01:09:19.000 Why do we have mass legal immigration from third world countries?
01:09:22.000 Why does Donald Trump think we should take people from Scandinavia and not people from Haiti?
01:09:27.000 That's the frame.
01:09:28.000 So for him to say, oh, it's about a white ethnostate or what makes an American skin color, that is a dishonest diversion.
01:09:34.000 So we have to shut that down.
01:09:36.000 Cannot let him.
01:09:37.000 And there are so many lessons here.
01:09:39.000 Don't let him answer a question with a question if you're not able to answer him.
01:09:43.000 Don't let him interrogate you.
01:09:45.000 You're not there to be interrogated.
01:09:47.000 If he asks somebody to defend something, he is probably doing that for a reason.
01:09:51.000 Do not offer up a defense of it.
01:09:53.000 Do not cut in on another person in the line.
01:09:56.000 I mean, there's so many lessons in here.
01:09:58.000 But he completely controlled the frame and that's where it fell apart.
01:10:01.000 You know, there's ways to get around this stuff, but that was not the way to go about it.
01:10:06.000 And like I said, the argument here is just wrong.
01:10:08.000 What he is doing is trying to tie us to something wrong.
01:10:11.000 He smeared Identity Europa in a way that the SPLC doesn't even do.
01:10:16.000 Again, for people that care about the facts,
01:10:18.000 Identity Europa doesn't exist.
01:10:20.000 It has not existed, I think, for like nine or ten months.
01:10:23.000 When it did exist, they were not neo-nazis.
01:10:26.000 This was not how they identified themselves.
01:10:28.000 It's not even how the media identified them.
01:10:30.000 They were a white identitarian movement, which you might not like, but they're not neo-nazis.
01:10:35.000 And lastly, their goal was not to have a neo-nazi takeover of the government.
01:10:39.000 So again, we, you as a questioner, do not want to engage in this.
01:10:44.000 me as somebody who wants to correct the record here for people to see what a dishonest liar this guy is none of what he said about that is true and nobody in this uh organization we don't even have an organization nobody in our movement none of the groipers identify with that group it doesn't exist so for people that still care about the truth here these arguments are not even correct
01:11:04.000 So that was the first question.
01:11:05.000 The second question was about white unemployment.
01:11:07.000 Somebody came up and said, you know, well Trump talks about black unemployment and Hispanic unemployment.
01:11:12.000 Why doesn't he talk about white unemployment?
01:11:15.000 This is not a great question.
01:11:17.000 I don't believe I've ever told anybody to ask this one, and for good reason, because it's not even really a great talking point.
01:11:25.000 What is the expectation of the answer from Charlie Kirk?
01:11:29.000 Are we supposed to say, I don't understand?
01:11:31.000 The premise is basically, why are white people not pandered to?
01:11:35.000 It's sort of an electoral argument.
01:11:37.000 If Trump wants to win an election, why not pander to his base?
01:11:41.000 90% of Trump voters in 2016 were white.
01:11:43.000 So why doesn't he care about the interests of white people in the Midwest?
01:11:46.000 You know, things that matter to white people. 0.64
01:11:48.000 You know, maybe that's where you're going with it.
01:11:50.000 I still think it's... I don't know if it's the best strategically, but there's a better way to frame it.
01:11:55.000 This unemployment thing is just kind of like a cheap meme.
01:11:58.000 It's very cheap rhetoric.
01:12:00.000 It's one of these drive-bys I said the other day.
01:12:02.000 Thoughts?
01:12:03.000 Well, you talk about black unemployment but not white unemployment.
01:12:06.000 Thoughts?
01:12:07.000 What really follows from this?
01:12:09.000 It's not tight.
01:12:10.000 It's not really, in terms of rhetoric, pointing a good strategic direction.
01:12:15.000 Charlie Kirk answers by saying, well, what you're getting at is that white people have a predisposition to vote Republican.
01:12:22.000 Wrong! 0.86
01:12:24.000 Wrong! 0.86
01:12:24.000 That's not the point of asking that question. 0.86
01:12:26.000 That is not the point of asking that question.
01:12:28.000 But the questioner says, like, well, yes.
01:12:31.000 Do not let him answer a question with a question.
01:12:33.000 Reframe it in a way that you do not intend for the question to be framed.
01:12:37.000 Well, well, if that's the case, if whites are predisposed to vote Republican, then why did the top three white estates vote for Democrats?
01:12:43.000 New Hampshire, Vermont, and one other.
01:12:45.000 I forget what the third one was.
01:12:47.000 This is dishonest. 0.97
01:12:48.000 And let's just stop and pause for a moment why this argument is ridiculous. 0.92
01:12:53.000 That the three whitest states voted for Trump, it does not follow then that Republicans should ignore their base. 0.81
01:13:00.000 Like I said, 90% of Trump voters, 90% of Trump's base in 2016 was white.
01:13:05.000 So notwithstanding that three of the whitest states voted Democrats, I don't really see how that follows. 0.53
01:13:10.000 If 90% of your voting block is a certain way, I don't think it matters like which states with the highest proportion voted a certain way.
01:13:17.000 Do you understand why that's not really, one does not follow from the other?
01:13:22.000 You want to panner to your voters.
01:13:23.000 If your voters are white people, you should probably respect them.
01:13:25.000 You should probably want to advance their interests in some sense, or at least pretend like they exist, like they have legitimate interests.
01:13:32.000 You know, so the argument is totally dishonest.
01:13:34.000 Beyond that, he says, well, New Hampshire went for Democrats.
01:13:37.000 Well, there you have to draw a little bit of a line, because New Hampshire, we lost by a hair, and I know people.
01:13:44.000 We're good to go.
01:14:01.000 It's not really fair to say that New Hampshire was overwhelmingly Democrat.
01:14:04.000 That means white people don't vote Republican.
01:14:06.000 None of this really makes any sense once you scrutinize it, but I guess somebody gets to the microphone, they lose their frame, they get flustered, and then they don't have an argument.
01:14:15.000 And he ended up looking very bad, regrettably.
01:14:18.000 We do not want people going there screaming.
01:14:20.000 We do not want people going there angry, pissed off.
01:14:48.000 Because again it plays into this archetype it plays into the stereotype which they would be all too delighted for us to play into which is of the unhinged fringe lunatic alt-right guy.
01:14:59.000 So I know we're we have righteous indignation about what's going on.
01:15:03.000 I get that.
01:15:04.000 I get that more than anybody.
01:15:05.000 You see I get a little hot on the show but it's a little different when it's when it's a show when you know it's trying to be compelling and it's entertainment and all the rest but
01:15:12.000 When you're trying to portray yourself as, I'm an America First student asking a question, wearing a rosary, I'd just like to ask you a few questions.
01:15:19.000 The tone should not be a chimp out, it should not be angry, and I'm, you know, whatever. 0.97
01:15:24.000 The tone should be inquisitive, at the very least it should be dismissive about who Charlie Kirk is and what he's about.
01:15:32.000 So the tone was all wrong.
01:15:33.000 He said, you know, you have Lady Maga at your events, and you promote homosexuality, transsexuality, and who's to say that you won't be supporting Drag Queen Story Hour in five years? 0.64
01:15:43.000 This argument is one I used on the show.
01:15:44.000 It was really not elaborated well on this question.
01:15:48.000 Again, please write your questions, rehearse them.
01:15:50.000 If you can, check with somebody.
01:15:52.000 I haven't been able to respond to everybody who's been sending emails saying, you know, revise my question, but if you can get Patrick Casey to look over it, if you can get Vince James to look over it, any one of these people, that would be preferable.
01:16:04.000 And when you do ask a question, deliver it in a way that is calm, reasonable, you know, you want to be likable, presentable, and moreover, get your facts right.
01:16:12.000 This guy said you host Lady Maga at your events.
01:16:15.000 Charlie Kirk has never hosted Lady Maga at his events, and so it's little things like this that can delegitimize you.
01:16:21.000 If Charlie Kirk can say, oh, well, you're wrong about that, it's sort of like if you get in a flame war on Facebook, in the Facebook comments, and you make a typo.
01:16:28.000 Oh, whoa!
01:16:29.000 You made a typo! 1.00
01:16:30.000 You're an idiot! 1.00
01:16:30.000 I mean, it's game over. 1.00
01:16:31.000 It's these little, totally avoidable missteps that can delegitimize you and kill you.
01:16:36.000 So, well, I never had Lady Maga up.
01:16:38.000 Well, it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, but if you get that wrong, already, you know, you've lost the logos, so to speak, right?
01:16:47.000 What element of debate is it?
01:16:49.000 Not the logos like you, Michael Jones, but you've lost that element of persuasion.
01:16:52.000 You look not credible, right?
01:16:55.000 That's the other one, right?
01:16:56.000 What is it?
01:16:56.000 Logos, pathos, and you lost your ethos, I think is what it is.
01:17:00.000 So you don't look credible if you don't have your facts straight. 0.64
01:17:03.000 Charlie Kirk retorted and said, well, Lady Maga isn't at our events, and he said, what would you do with homosexuals? 0.81
01:17:10.000 Total reframing.
01:17:11.000 We're saying we don't want you to promote homosexuality as normal. 1.00
01:17:15.000 And he says, what would you do with homosexuals? 0.74
01:17:17.000 It's a complete reframing. 0.92
01:17:18.000 He says, what about Rob Smith, Guy Benson, Peter Thiel?
01:17:22.000 Would you say they should be all kicked out of the movement?
01:17:25.000 Again, it's a total reframing.
01:17:26.000 We're not saying any particular person should be kicked out of the movement.
01:17:30.000 We're not saying we should do anything with homosexuals. 1.00
01:17:32.000 We're saying, why as a Christian do you promote homosexuality? 1.00
01:17:36.000 Why are you trying to normalize homosexuality, right? 1.00
01:17:39.000 And in the case of Peter Thiel, he's maybe the exception here.
01:17:42.000 Peter Thiel, I'm pretty sure, was very on the down low about this.
01:17:45.000 He was not one of these, say it loud, say it proud guys.
01:17:48.000 He got outed, I'm pretty sure, by BuzzFeed, if I'm not mistaken.
01:17:52.000 So it's not like even him as a homosexual is promoting this as something good and normal or anything. 0.75
01:17:57.000 If anything, I think he was trying to play it very low key, close to the chest.
01:18:01.000 We're good to go! 0.98
01:18:20.000 Hung out with tax collectors and prostitutes? 0.99
01:18:23.000 Well, he hung out with people that were repentant. 0.99
01:18:25.000 Repentant sinners.
01:18:26.000 You know, he didn't hang out with people that were openly promoting and normalizing homosexuality. 0.84
01:18:30.000 These are minor details, but we're gonna have to really rework the rhetoric on this one.
01:18:35.000 It's clearly not effective.
01:18:36.000 Moreover, a lot of young people are on the side of homosexuals. 0.86
01:18:39.000 So you have to really hit hard, not so much on...
01:18:42.000 Antipathy or the disgust factor for deviancy but on the Christian angle, you know, maybe the way we rework this is not You know Coming off like I have a problem of homosexuals because I don't know if that's a winning issue for this generation I think unfortunately, that's just true 1.00
01:18:59.000 In that frame, the frame should be, why are Christians who don't like homosexuals or don't like homosexuality being normalized, why are we unwelcome?
01:19:07.000 Why did Benny Johnson say that a Christian who is not okay with, you know, homosexual marriage, why did he call him a New Westboro Baptist Church kid?
01:19:15.000 That has to be the angle.
01:19:16.000 It's not, we don't like these guys, that has to be, why are you attacking Christians?
01:19:20.000 That's a clean way to reframe it.
01:19:22.000 But again,
01:19:23.000 You're letting the frame go.
01:19:24.000 Fourth question was about the USS Liberty.
01:19:26.000 Some veteran came up and it was great that he was a vet.
01:19:29.000 He got a standing ovation.
01:19:30.000 But then he went off the goop and he starts going off about the USS Liberty.
01:19:34.000 It sounded, again, sort of unhinged, sort of angry.
01:19:37.000 We have to be picky about these things because they do matter.
01:19:39.000 You know, oh well, what do you have to say to the veterans that survived the USS Liberty?
01:19:45.000 And Charlie Kirk said, well, I don't think it was deliberate and blah, blah, blah.
01:19:49.000 And this guy kept interrupting Charlie Kirk.
01:19:51.000 He came off as, you know, some people, they get to the microphone and it engages their flight or flight response and they go into this weird sort of panic where they're a little agitated, little froggy, so to speak.
01:20:03.000 So he was very quick to jump in.
01:20:05.000 He did not come off very good.
01:20:06.000 And even though he got Charlie Kirk attacking a veteran and kind of belittling him and being rude, I think it was a great look.
01:20:12.000 Because the questioner came off as unhinged,
01:20:15.000 It didn't have the same effect, you know?
01:20:16.000 And again, why are we asking questions still about the USS Liberty?
01:20:21.000 We've done that before.
01:20:22.000 We've asked that question.
01:20:23.000 It was funny the first time.
01:20:25.000 It was funny the second time.
01:20:26.000 It was funny the third time.
01:20:27.000 It's not funny anymore.
01:20:28.000 It's not funny anymore, you know?
01:20:31.000 A joke that becomes a drag is a drag.
01:20:33.000 If it drags on for too long, it's a drag.
01:20:34.000 It's not fun, nobody enjoys it, and it wasn't even a joke.
01:20:38.000 If you remember the original question about the USS Liberty, it wasn't, uh, duh, Google the USS Liberty.
01:20:44.000 The question wasn't even about the USS Liberty.
01:20:46.000 K. Alexander, who asked the first question, said, why do we give foreign aid to Israel?
01:20:51.000 When there are poor countries that get a lot less aid than Israel.
01:20:56.000 Countries way poorer than Israel.
01:20:58.000 Countries in the Caribbean and Africa and South America that collectively get less than Israel does.
01:21:03.000 And also when they're not a reliable ally.
01:21:05.000 They spy on us, they attack the liberty.
01:21:07.000 So if you remember, the first question wasn't
01:21:09.000 Duh! 1.00
01:21:09.000 Liberty! 1.00
01:21:10.000 It was, why do we give money to Israel when they do things like X, Y, and Z? 0.71
01:21:16.000 It was a cogent, well-framed question and one that was difficult to respond with, or for Charlie Kirk to respond to.
01:21:22.000 It wasn't Google the USS Liberty.
01:21:24.000 Moreover, so the liberty in itself is not a winning issue.
01:21:29.000 I know some people aren't going to like to hear that.
01:21:30.000 They're going to say that's cucking.
01:21:32.000 I'm not saying that it's not relevant, but it's relevant in context.
01:21:36.000 Of course, the context of the liberty is that Israel is not a reliable ally.
01:21:40.000 It is under that tree of that argument.
01:21:42.000 So, using that as an example to serve the argument, well, Israel is not our friend. 0.86
01:21:46.000 Israel is not our closest ally. 0.76
01:21:48.000 Undermining the credibility of people to support Israel, it works. 0.99
01:21:52.000 But, you know, talking specifically about a naval incident that happened in 1967, it was a tragedy, it was a horrible atrocity committed by Israel. 0.97
01:22:00.000 But, you know, understand how outside of that context, it comes across as a fixation on Israel, it comes across as irrelevant, a hang-up, you know, and somebody's just unserious.
01:22:11.000 So in the service of a broader argument, it works.
01:22:13.000 By itself, it doesn't make any sense.
01:22:16.000 You know the USS Liberty Veterans Association yeah that's great if you know maybe if you're trying to push that two weeks ago but now it just comes off again as fixation and I told people I didn't say don't ask these questions because they're not relevant I said don't ask them because there's a very specific way they have to be phrased it has to be we have to treat these with great care because it's very delicate you know how much
01:22:37.000 You know, how many resources and how much time they've expended trying to make these issues taboo.
01:22:41.000 We have to treat them very carefully to make them persuadable and people open to these ideas.
01:22:45.000 So you can't come in there with non-arguments.
01:22:48.000 You can't come off as obsessed with these things and play into their hands.
01:22:52.000 And moreover, if you do, know your stuff.
01:22:54.000 This guy comes up and says, well, what about the liberty?
01:22:56.000 And Charlie Kirk says, well, why?
01:22:58.000 Why would Israel attack the liberty?
01:23:00.000 Which is a great question.
01:23:01.000 Why would they attack the liberty?
01:23:03.000 You should be prepared to answer that.
01:23:04.000 The guy says, well, I don't know.
01:23:06.000 Okay, well then you shouldn't be asking the question.
01:23:08.000 If you don't know what it's about, don't ask the question.
01:23:11.000 And to me, this is symptomatic of this attitude, which is, I'm gonna go up, kamikaze, dopamine rush, I'm gonna get the funny, funny mode, everyone's gonna be laughing at me, and I'm gonna get my clip on Twitter or whatever to a thousand likes.
01:23:24.000 If you're gonna go and ask a question, you gotta do your research.
01:23:26.000 If you're gonna ask about the USS Liberty, number one, don't.
01:23:29.000 Number two, if you do, make it part of a much broader attack on the credibility of Zionists, which is the point of it. 0.95
01:23:36.000 And number three, even if you are gonna do this, please do it right.
01:23:39.000 Don't embarrass us.
01:23:40.000 Know your stuff.
01:23:41.000 You know, so, the tone was all wrong, wasn't prepared,
01:23:45.000 The focus was all wrong.
01:23:46.000 I mean, just this question was a pure disaster.
01:23:49.000 And I, you know, maybe the guy, I don't know if he watches my show, but I explicitly said, do not ask if you're gonna, you know, do it right, whatever.
01:23:56.000 So I don't know if he watches my show.
01:23:57.000 Some people who don't like me have been saying this week, we're going to go and ask questions about Israel, just to spite Nick, who was cucking on this issue.
01:24:04.000 This is what I saw this week.
01:24:06.000 So I don't know if that was just some bozo. 1.00
01:24:08.000 I, you know, if he's a fan of the show, I'm going to say, well, you know, you found out the hard way.
01:24:12.000 It's okay, champ.
01:24:13.000 Not the end of the world.
01:24:14.000 But if it's one of these people who's trying to spite me, it's like, well, you get what you deserve, right?
01:24:18.000 You know, people... And I've seen a lot of this.
01:24:21.000 Wignats who think that we're not obsessed enough with Jewish people.
01:24:24.000 We have to make that the sole focus.
01:24:26.000 Well, you got what you deserved on that one. 0.96
01:24:28.000 You wanted to act like a clown, and that's what happened, right? 0.92
01:24:31.000 So, I don't know.
01:24:32.000 I don't know who he was, who he was with, but it didn't work.
01:24:35.000 No matter what, it didn't work.
01:24:37.000 Let's see.
01:24:38.000 The fifth question was about carpetbagging.
01:24:40.000 This was actually one of the better ones.
01:24:41.000 It was the first good question of the night.
01:24:43.000 Some guy came up and said, I'm not going to talk about race.
01:24:46.000 He said, I'm going to talk about carpetbagging. 0.90
01:24:47.000 He said, I'm from the South.
01:24:49.000 We know that after the Civil War, Northern politicians came down to the South.
01:24:53.000 And in other words, you know, they changed political outcomes.
01:24:56.000 Foreigners came and changed political outcomes to suit their interests. 0.59
01:25:00.000 He said, this is a tactic that is used.
01:25:02.000 Populations are brought in to change politics, right?
01:25:06.000 They've imported an electorate or imported a politician.
01:25:09.000 He said, so if we recognize this as a tactic, how is this different from immigrants coming into Virginia and North Carolina and all like Hispanic immigrants coming in and changing the government because they vote differently? 0.93
01:25:21.000 We know they vote differently.
01:25:23.000 He said, even if you pass the RAISE Act, which you support, and Charlie Kirk got kind of defensive,
01:25:27.000 That would still only cut it in half, but it's already too late in some ways.
01:25:30.000 We have to cut it off completely.
01:25:32.000 And Charlie Kirk, again, this was the most effective question, and Charlie Kirk totally evaded it when it was a good, specific, well-researched question, well-framed.
01:25:41.000 The carpet-bagging angle, I don't know if that was a necessary analogy, but you know what?
01:25:44.000 It worked.
01:25:45.000 It was sufficient, right?
01:25:47.000 Um, he was not able to come up with a great response.
01:25:50.000 He had to pivot and say, well, well, I, you're just too cynical and I'm skeptical and blah, blah, blah.
01:25:54.000 And he got booed for it.
01:25:55.000 He wouldn't even let the guy follow up.
01:25:57.000 He said, no, no, no, we have to move on.
01:25:58.000 We have to move on.
01:25:59.000 So if, again, understand, if you ask good questions that are well-framed, that are impenetrable, that are Teflon questions,
01:26:07.000 He will do the same thing.
01:26:08.000 He will resort to the same cowardly tactics of pivoting, shutting down, and moving on.
01:26:13.000 That's what we want more of. 1.00
01:26:14.000 But if you toss up a softball and say, here, beat the shit out of me. 1.00
01:26:19.000 Hey, beat the shit out of me. 0.99
01:26:20.000 I don't know what I'm talking about. 0.99
01:26:22.000 I don't know what I'm doing.
01:26:23.000 I'm not prepared to respond. 1.00
01:26:25.000 He's going to chop your head off. 1.00
01:26:26.000 That's what he did tonight. 1.00
01:26:27.000 But in the same night,
01:26:29.000 If you give him a tough pitch, we're going to carry on the baseball analogy.
01:26:33.000 If you're going to throw a fastball, a curveball his way, something that he cannot hit, well then he's going to throw his arm out and he's going to walk to first base.
01:26:42.000 This is baseball!
01:26:43.000 We're playing baseball now, but you get the picture.
01:26:46.000 Well-thought-out questions are the worst thing for Charlie Kirk, and we have a lot of them, but you've just got to ask them the right way.
01:26:52.000 You've got to prepare them, rehearse them, make them well-thought-out, and be prepared for pushback.
01:26:56.000 But if they're very good, there isn't even any pushback, because there is no pushback for some of these arguments.
01:27:02.000 Charlie Kirk's saying, well, I'm just not cynical.
01:27:05.000 That's not an argument, but that's all he's got.
01:27:07.000 So we've got to call him out with these kinds of good questions.
01:27:10.000 So that guy did great.
01:27:12.000 There were about four or five questions that were non-Groipers.
01:27:16.000 We'll just skip those out of twelve.
01:27:17.000 There were five non-Groiper questions.
01:27:20.000 The seventh question, somebody asked about left-wing smears, said to Debate Nick Fuentes.
01:27:24.000 I didn't really record this one very well.
01:27:26.000 The eleventh question,
01:27:28.000 Again, somebody said, oh, you're a liberal.
01:27:30.000 He shouted out me.
01:27:31.000 He said, you know, you should debate Nick Fuentes.
01:27:33.000 And then they got into a debate about Israel.
01:27:35.000 And Charlie Kirk said, well, why don't you support Israel?
01:27:37.000 Try to imply he was an anti-Semite and so on.
01:27:40.000 With the Israel stuff, again, you cannot just shoehorn it into every single question.
01:27:44.000 I saw that happen last night.
01:27:46.000 The only cringe question from last night, the guy just tried to shoehorn it in there.
01:27:49.000 Tonight, I think it was kind of shoehorned in at the end, and Charlie Kirk pounced on it.
01:27:53.000 And he tried to insinuate the kid was an anti-Semite.
01:27:56.000 To me, the most effective counter-response is, what you're doing is evil.
01:27:59.000 You know, if Charlie Kirk gets challenged on Israel, if any of these people do, what is their knee-jerk response? 0.98
01:28:03.000 Oh, you hate Jews. 0.99
01:28:04.000 You're an anti-Semite. 1.00
01:28:06.000 Now, that's a pretty damning thing in itself to say. 0.99
01:28:08.000 That's a pretty nasty and negative... Talk about cynical.
01:28:12.000 You know, oh, I'm not cynical.
01:28:13.000 I think everyone should come here and that's not a problem.
01:28:16.000 But anybody who questions Israel...
01:28:18.000 A Jew-hater, you know, they have a problem with Israel because they're Jewish. 0.88
01:28:21.000 Talk about a cynical mentality, right? 0.74
01:28:23.000 So in the first place, even calling you an anti-Semite is a very nasty thing to do in itself, but also because of the repercussions.
01:28:30.000 They're implying that you're an anti-Semite, and that's deliberate. 1.00
01:28:33.000 We know why.
01:28:33.000 Because you get labeled an anti-Semite, and what happens to you?
01:28:37.000 What happens to your life?
01:28:38.000 Charlie Kirk is saying, I'm painting a target on your back for people to fire you, dox you, whatever.
01:28:44.000 The response to that is not to engage in good faith discussion.
01:28:47.000 The response to that is to call him out and say, I'm going to stop you right there.
01:28:51.000 I know what you're implying and you're sick for implying that.
01:28:54.000 You talk about you're not cynical.
01:28:55.000 How cynical do you have to be?
01:28:57.000 Who's paying you? 0.81
01:28:58.000 If you're going to say that anybody, any America first, Christian, whatever, engineer, father, worker, who has something to say about Israel that isn't glowingly positive is just a Jew hater. 0.98
01:29:07.000 I know exactly what you're doing and it's disgusting. 0.81
01:29:10.000 You know, you have to have some kind of indignation.
01:29:12.000 It has to be
01:29:13.000 You're appalled at this because, frankly, it is appalling.
01:29:16.000 I've seen this all week with me, with Michelle Malkin.
01:29:19.000 Some jagoff from The Examiner called Michelle Malkin a Nazi and an anti-Semite because she thinks we shouldn't have F1 visas in the country. 1.00
01:29:27.000 That's a disgusting smear! 1.00
01:29:29.000 And, you know, maybe, you know, I think these smears are all bullshit anyway. 1.00
01:29:32.000 They don't really mean anything. 1.00
01:29:34.000 But what the intention is, is they're singling out you to be destroyed.
01:29:38.000 They are defaming you.
01:29:39.000 They're lying about you, they're saying something nasty about you, so that you will be singled out and targeted for destruction by the left and by the establishment.
01:29:47.000 That's not cool!
01:29:48.000 We don't engage in good faith discussions with people that do that.
01:29:51.000 And so moving forward, now that we understand their game plan, we can analyze all these different tactics.
01:29:56.000 What is Charlie going to do at these next events?
01:30:00.000 He's not going to stream them.
01:30:01.000 That's number one.
01:30:02.000 So we got to stream.
01:30:04.000 We have to prepare.
01:30:05.000 We have to prepare because he's going to push back.
01:30:07.000 He's going to engage.
01:30:08.000 He's going to be looking for openings where he can.
01:30:10.000 He's going to reframe the question.
01:30:12.000 He's going to use tactics like taking your microphone away.
01:30:15.000 Whatever.
01:30:15.000 We've got to be prepared for all of this.
01:30:17.000 The best way to counter these things, as I said from the beginning, is well-written, well-researched, rehearsed questions that are focused, strategic.
01:30:26.000 You're asking yourself, why am I asking this?
01:30:29.000 To what end?
01:30:30.000 How is this going to advance America First, strategically and in terms of the dialectic?
01:30:34.000 Maybe the best question you can ask yourself is, would Tucker Carlson or Michelle Malkin stand by this question?
01:30:41.000 That's the best question you can ask.
01:30:42.000 If you go up there ready to defend, you know, God knows what, ask yourself, is this something Tucker Carlson would defend?
01:30:48.000 Is this something Michelle Malkin would defend? 0.58
01:30:50.000 That's the kind of angle we're trying to strike.
01:30:53.000 Is America First optical, persuasive, presentable?
01:30:56.000 Things that are, you know, they're
01:30:59.000 They're making inroads in the Overton window, so to speak.
01:31:03.000 They're pioneers.
01:31:04.000 They're a little bit out there.
01:31:05.000 They're incremental, but they're moving it further to the right.
01:31:07.000 That's the kind of question you need to ask yourself.
01:31:10.000 What would Michelle Malkin say? 0.96
01:31:11.000 What would Tucker Carlson say?
01:31:12.000 These kinds of things when you're writing your question.
01:31:15.000 But, you know, beyond all that, if this is what they're running with, their broader strategy is
01:31:20.000 You're outright. 0.82
01:31:21.000 You're an anti-Semite. 0.96
01:31:23.000 You're Identify Yevrapa. 0.96
01:31:25.000 Hey, are you with Identify Yevrapa, that neo-Nazi cult or whatever?
01:31:30.000 The big strategy with that is you have to call this out.
01:31:33.000 You cannot let him insinuate.
01:31:35.000 That's how he wins.
01:31:36.000 He insinuates.
01:31:37.000 He implies. 0.97
01:31:38.000 It's a disgusting, ridiculous, dishonest smear, but because he insinuates it, it doesn't really register for a lot of people exactly what he's saying. 0.97
01:31:47.000 Get him to say exactly what he means! 0.98
01:31:49.000 What are you trying to say, Charlie?
01:31:50.000 Are you trying to say me as a Christian patriot, are you saying that I'm an alt-right anti-Semite? 0.98
01:31:56.000 Shame on you! 1.00
01:31:57.000 You're disgusting for saying that, and you don't even have the courage to say it alt-right! 1.00
01:32:01.000 You're implying it! 0.99
01:32:03.000 Once he says that, it's over.
01:32:05.000 It is not a good faith discussion.
01:32:07.000 He's not engaging you as an equal.
01:32:08.000 He's not engaging you as an American citizen.
01:32:11.000 He is engaging you as a as an enemy combatant.
01:32:14.000 And at that point, all bets are off.
01:32:16.000 This is not an honest conversation.
01:32:18.000 Shame on you.
01:32:18.000 We're not going to play your games.
01:32:20.000 That has to be the approach because this is what they're doing.
01:32:23.000 And understand, you know, we're saying this because it's such a dishonest but effective tactic.
01:32:29.000 But again, at the end of the day, it is a lie.
01:32:32.000 Shapiro, Kirk, all these people trying to paint us that.
01:32:35.000 We're not saying to push back on this because it's a bad look.
01:32:38.000 That's what the media's been saying all week.
01:32:40.000 They're trying to rebrand themselves.
01:32:42.000 It's not a rebrand.
01:32:43.000 We don't believe in that stuff.
01:32:45.000 The alt-right, which was founded by Richard Spencer, perpetuated.
01:32:48.000 He's the only one perpetuating the alt-right.
01:32:50.000 It doesn't exist outside of a show where like a hundred people watch him review cartoons.
01:32:55.000 You know what I'm talking about.
01:32:56.000 He's the only one who still carries that label.
01:33:00.000 What that ideology represents is it's anti-American or it's post-American, right?
01:33:06.000 I mean, they say, what's the difference between you and Identify Yevrapa?
01:33:11.000 What's the difference between you and Richard Spencer?
01:33:13.000 Well, Richard Spencer doesn't even believe in America.
01:33:16.000 We're America first.
01:33:17.000 Okay?
01:33:18.000 That's kind of a critical difference.
01:33:19.000 Richard Spencer says America's over.
01:33:22.000 America's done. 0.75
01:33:22.000 We're moving on. 0.75
01:33:23.000 We should work to destroy it.
01:33:25.000 We obviously feel very differently.
01:33:27.000 We love America.
01:33:27.000 We want America to go on.
01:33:29.000 We think it will go on.
01:33:30.000 We support Donald Trump.
01:33:32.000 Richard Spencer does not.
01:33:33.000 He mocks people that support Trump. 0.74
01:33:35.000 He thinks Trump is terrible.
01:33:36.000 Whatever.
01:33:37.000 Kind of a significant difference.
01:33:39.000 We're Christian.
01:33:41.000 I'm Catholic.
01:33:41.000 A lot of the questioners have been Catholic.
01:33:43.000 We believe Jesus Christ was put on the cross, died, buried, rose again, all of this.
01:33:47.000 We believe in Christian social conservatism, Christian social values.
01:33:52.000 I think I heard secondhand that Richard Spencer said something like, I spit on, and I'm not even going to say it, but the Lord.
01:33:58.000 That's what he said.
01:34:00.000 So kind of a critical difference.
01:34:01.000 We're Christian.
01:34:02.000 We're Catholic.
01:34:03.000 I say that for no other reason other than to say these are not insignificant difference.
01:34:07.000 People that worship Christ, that are Christians, we have a Christian metaphysics, Christian social values, and somebody that has no moral social values, and somebody that says they spit on the Savior, right?
01:34:19.000 I mean, so, they're very different.
01:34:21.000 This is somebody that's a globalist, that believes in a transnational movement.
01:34:24.000 We are a nationalist movement.
01:34:26.000 Spencer himself has said, I'm not a nationalist.
01:34:28.000 I'm a pan-European, whatever.
01:34:31.000 We do not believe in this.
01:34:32.000 We believe in the American nation.
01:34:34.000 He supports the European Union.
01:34:35.000 We do not.
01:34:36.000 He supports gun control.
01:34:38.000 We do not.
01:34:38.000 I mean, so, and this is for no other reason.
01:34:41.000 I know some people might say, oh, you're cucking. 0.96
01:34:43.000 They'll call you this anyway. 0.97
01:34:45.000 They can call us whatever we want, but the truth is the truth.
01:34:48.000 They are that movement, and we are this movement.
01:34:50.000 We have to deny it because it's not true.
01:34:53.000 If they label us in this way, it destroys us because of, I mean, obvious reasons.
01:34:58.000 You know why.
01:34:59.000 You know that they're trying to paint us into a corner.
01:35:01.000 We're good to go.
01:35:23.000 And it is a totally malicious thing designed to discredit good people who are Christians, who are America First, that Charlie Kirk is hijacking and interloping on our movement, which is the Trump movement.
01:35:34.000 So that's what I have to say about tonight.
01:35:36.000 You know, please, please,
01:35:38.000 Take this seriously.
01:35:40.000 We're memeing.
01:35:41.000 We're having fun.
01:35:42.000 We've had fun over the last four weeks, but we're doing a lot of damage.
01:35:45.000 We're being very effective.
01:35:46.000 We want to do as much damage as possible.
01:35:48.000 We want to be as effective as possible.
01:35:49.000 The only way we can do that is if we look at a night like tonight and think, how can we get better?
01:35:54.000 What can we do better?
01:35:56.000 Take it seriously.
01:35:57.000 The reason that we've been winning is because people have been taking it seriously.
01:36:01.000 They've been smart, they've been prudent, they've been practicing, they've been doing their due diligence, and that's why we've been able to deliver blow after blow against an organization much larger, more well-funded, more organized, and all the rest than we are.
01:36:14.000 And we want to continue to do that.
01:36:15.000 So take all of this into consideration.
01:36:17.000 You know, again, they're going to do more of these tactics.
01:36:19.000 There will be more events.
01:36:21.000 Houston is tomorrow.
01:36:22.000 We will have another opportunity to win.
01:36:26.000 If we do good tomorrow, I think we could say that tonight didn't happen.
01:36:29.000 If we do good tomorrow, we could say, oh, that was a bump in the road.
01:36:32.000 Oh, Charlie Kirk tried a new tactic.
01:36:34.000 Immediately destroyed.
01:36:35.000 And that's what we need to happen.
01:36:36.000 So...
01:36:38.000 Oh, people are paying attention.
01:36:39.000 That's got to be the approach.
01:36:40.000 Our biggest threat right now?
01:36:42.000 Because we win on the ideas.
01:36:43.000 When it comes down to the ideas, if you prepare, you win.
01:36:46.000 They can't answer these questions.
01:36:48.000 Charlie Kirk obfuscated, pivoted, lied, reframed.
01:36:51.000 He had to use cheating tactics.
01:36:53.000 And you know what?
01:36:53.000 A win is a win, right?
01:36:54.000 Or an L is an L. He cheated.
01:36:56.000 That's just how politics is played.
01:36:58.000 But it doesn't have to be that way.
01:37:00.000 Right?
01:37:00.000 We can beat cheaters, we can beat people that are dishonest, but the biggest threat right now is that smear.
01:37:06.000 Oh, you're just like the rest, we're gonna discredit you with this label, and the only way to push back on that is to call it out for what it is, which is gross, it's wrong, it's disgusting, it's a lie, and show, expose it in front of the whole room. 0.94
01:37:18.000 You think you're real sneaky, you think you're really smart, really crafty, you think you're gonna get away with it, but I know what you're doing, and what you're doing is wrong, and it's dishonest. 0.91
01:37:27.000 I'm an American patriot.
01:37:42.000 I don't know.
01:38:05.000 That's Charlie Kirk.
01:38:06.000 That was tonight.
01:38:07.000 How long have we been going?
01:38:08.000 I think we've been going for just like an hour straight or a little over.
01:38:12.000 So we're gonna take your super chats.
01:38:13.000 We'll see what you guys are saying about all this.
01:38:15.000 Don't want anybody to black pill. 0.99
01:38:17.000 You know, look, tonight he survived.
01:38:20.000 He held back the Groyper offensive. 0.80
01:38:22.000 He didn't get absolutely humiliated at his own event.
01:38:25.000 I think there were some embarrassing moments, moments where he didn't look very good.
01:38:29.000 If you could call that a victory, you know, congratulations.
01:38:32.000 After four weeks, after two dozen events, you have successfully survived not being humiliated at your own events by a bunch of college kids inspired by a guy with a YouTube show.
01:38:42.000 You know, that's a huge victory for Charlie Kirk, who's funded by
01:38:45.000 Scientologists and Zionists and all these other people, you know, so put it in context, but also learn from it, adapt, be better, be a Groyper, become who you are, right? 0.92
01:38:55.000 We want to, we want to do better.
01:38:56.000 So we'll have another opportunity tomorrow.
01:38:58.000 Like I said, University of Houston is tomorrow.
01:39:01.000 I think it's at noon, but look it up, get your ticket.
01:39:03.000 It's a Prove Me Wrong event and do a better job.
01:39:06.000 If the Groypers come through tomorrow at Houston, you'll be, you will be heroes. 1.00
01:39:10.000 That said, it's not easy to be hero.
01:39:13.000 It's tough.
01:39:14.000 It's difficult.
01:39:14.000 It takes a lot of work.
01:39:15.000 So if you want to be the hero, you want to be the hero of the Grouper movement, the people that snatched victory from the jaws of a speed bump or a small defeat yesterday.
01:39:25.000 Tomorrow will have been yesterday.
01:39:26.000 You've got to do your homework.
01:39:29.000 You've got to save us.
01:39:30.000 But I think if we came back and rallied tomorrow, that would be huge.
01:39:34.000 I think we could forget about this whole evening.
01:39:35.000 But it's going to take some thought and some hard work.
01:39:40.000 We are going to move to our Super Chats.
01:39:41.000 We'll see what you guys are saying about all this.
01:39:44.000 We've got Mr. Corgi who says, Bro, your reaction to the cringe TPUSA kid had me rolling.
01:39:51.000 Honestly, your DLive streams have been so top-notch during the Groyper War.
01:39:55.000 Well, thanks.
01:39:55.000 I'm glad you're entertained at the bare minimum.
01:39:58.000 Some says, Wignats... I can't read that, but yeah, Wignats kind of killed it for us tonight.
01:40:04.000 ff says for a minute i was legitimately not sure if that unhinged questioner asking about the liberty was patrick little he's probably on his way home now okay i don't want to smear look the people that asked the questions they didn't do a great job but it's tough i think the people that have done this before maybe made it look easy so i don't want to be too hard on those guys they tried maybe i don't know if they tried their best but they tried they stepped into the uh the crossfire they stepped into the kill zone and they didn't get the outcome they wanted
01:40:33.000 Uh, so I don't think we should be too hard on them.
01:40:35.000 And they're probably fans of the show.
01:40:36.000 But, uh, and they did get ambushed.
01:40:38.000 You know, Charlie Kirk, this is the first time he lashed out as hard as he did.
01:40:41.000 So, I think we should cut them a little bit of slack.
01:40:43.000 Now that said, tomorrow, no slack.
01:40:46.000 No slack tomorrow.
01:40:47.000 Can't cut slack.
01:40:48.000 Tonight we could say, okay, we weren't expecting that, you tried, but now that we see what's up, there's no excuse.
01:40:54.000 Uh, Anon says, LMAO at people who think North Carolina is the South.
01:40:58.000 Cope hard.
01:40:59.000 Isn't North Carolina the South, though?
01:41:01.000 Isn't it south of Virginia?
01:41:03.000 And Virginia was the capital of the Confederacy.
01:41:05.000 It is the South.
01:41:07.000 And, uh, let's see.
01:41:08.000 Joseph says, you win some, you lose some.
01:41:10.000 Yeah, that's how it goes.
01:41:11.000 It's a war.
01:41:12.000 You know, we win how many battles, we lose one.
01:41:14.000 It's not the end of the world.
01:41:16.000 Bob Sacamato says, yuck, yuck, I'm going to ask me a USS Liberty question.
01:41:21.000 Yeah, I know, right?
01:41:22.000 Might as well have been.
01:41:23.000 Oh, they think they're so much smarter than me.
01:41:25.000 Do you, are you listening now?
01:41:26.000 Hello, optics mode?
01:41:28.000 You know, people forget how quickly people forget.
01:41:31.000 Oh, this will be my victory.
01:41:32.000 You know, remember Optics, America First?
01:41:36.000 Where did this come from?
01:41:38.000 Maybe we should listen to the guy who kind of inspired a lot of this.
01:41:41.000 I don't know.
01:41:42.000 Maybe that's a good idea.
01:41:43.000 Bandit says, so they finally figured out how to counter the Groipers. 0.87
01:41:47.000 From now on, we must be prepared with the irrelevant facts.
01:41:49.000 Treat the Q&A as if it's going to be a live debate.
01:41:52.000 Yes, that's true.
01:41:53.000 Prepare yourself mentally.
01:41:55.000 Don't get flustered and also prepare with your facts, counter-arguments, all that.
01:41:59.000 But above all else, you gotta understand debate is not just about facts.
01:42:02.000 It's about persuasion.
01:42:03.000 It's about frame.
01:42:05.000 It's about these other things.
01:42:06.000 If you don't have a grasp of that, don't engage.
01:42:10.000 Hundungus says, I would like to apologize on behalf of all Southerners.
01:42:13.000 Yeah, apology accepted.
01:42:16.000 I'll say the Florida Southerners did great the other day, so I don't know if it's the Southerners necessarily.
01:42:20.000 Yeah.
01:42:21.000 I mean overall it was a win, and we lost one battle.
01:42:24.000 Just happened to come at the end.
01:42:25.000 They have a lot to answer for.
01:42:34.000 White Hoe Tips is tonight's questions illustrate how well of a job questioners in past events really did.
01:42:40.000 Mission failed.
01:42:41.000 We'll get them next time.
01:42:42.000 The griping shall continue.
01:42:43.000 And that, that I think is the message of the show.
01:42:45.000 The griping will continue.
01:42:47.000 Mission failed, but we'll get them next time.
01:42:49.000 Forest Shades is my bird.
01:42:51.000 Started coughing up blood.
01:42:52.000 Can I get a shout out? 0.98
01:42:54.000 I'm basically just waiting for him to die.
01:42:55.000 I feel like I'm in an old place.
01:42:58.000 Yeah, well sorry to hear about your bird.
01:43:00.000 I hope he does well.
01:43:00.000 I hope he pulls through.
01:43:03.000 InterCityDemocrat says, the people sending super chat questions, uh, question suggestions must all live in North Carolina.
01:43:10.000 Wignats ruin everything. 0.95
01:43:12.000 Stunned at how much those questions sucked. 0.95
01:43:14.000 Note to self, skip North Carolina when I visit the United States.
01:43:18.000 I don't know.
01:43:19.000 Yeah, I mean, North Carolina failed us.
01:43:21.000 We have failed you.
01:43:22.000 North Carolina has failed us.
01:43:24.000 They have failed us.
01:43:25.000 And the questions were bad.
01:43:26.000 And what did I tell you?
01:43:27.000 But that's okay.
01:43:28.000 Okay, now's not a time to say, I told you so, even though I did, it's a time to say, let's just do better tomorrow.
01:43:35.000 Royal says, I know this question wouldn't get you a sick clip or tons of Twitter followers, but I really wish someone would have asked Charlie to actually define neo-nazism, would have put him on the defense.
01:43:45.000 No, we just don't want to talk about that. 0.99
01:43:48.000 We don't want to talk about why people are so stupid when it comes to rhetoric, persuasion, framing. 1.00
01:43:55.000 If you're talking about neo-nazism, you lose. 1.00
01:43:58.000 It doesn't matter if you're winning or you're losing.
01:44:00.000 You're scoring points, he's scoring points.
01:44:02.000 If you're talking about that, you lose.
01:44:05.000 Because what really determines the victory is the control of the frame.
01:44:09.000 If the conversation is about how we can deter mass immigration, no matter what, we're winning. 1.00
01:44:14.000 If the conversation is about what does white nationalism mean, if we're talking about white nationalism is irrelevant.
01:44:19.000 How many white nationalists are in the country?
01:44:22.000 Are there any?
01:44:23.000 Are there a hundred?
01:44:24.000 We don't identify that way, so why are we talking about it?
01:44:27.000 Why am I asking a question about immigration and Charlie Kirk is making me talk about some fringe ideology that no one here even believes?
01:44:34.000 It's a total misdirection.
01:44:36.000 If you allow him to change that frame and, oh, now we're on the defensive.
01:44:39.000 Oh, he has to define it.
01:44:41.000 No, wrong!
01:44:42.000 If he has to define it, the ball's in his court.
01:44:44.000 Oh, I get to say, you know, we get to talk about these radicals that everyone knows is ostracized and you're one of them.
01:44:49.000 Wrong! 0.86
01:44:50.000 Completely wrong, dude.
01:44:52.000 Wrong! 0.86
01:44:53.000 Take it from me, that is so wrong.
01:44:56.000 The frame is mass immigration.
01:44:57.000 It's globalism.
01:44:58.000 It's dual allegiance.
01:45:00.000 Keep him on the frame.
01:45:02.000 Control of the frame.
01:45:04.000 That's what we want.
01:45:05.000 That is how you win.
01:45:07.000 Ding donks. 0.98
01:45:07.000 Oh, well, you should ask him to define this. 0.98
01:45:10.000 You should outsmart him.
01:45:11.000 Hey, thoughts on neo-nazism?
01:45:13.000 Yeah, that's a big victory for us.
01:45:15.000 Give me a break, dude.
01:45:16.000 This is why he doesn't want to debate me, frankly, because I can see these things, you know, coming a mile away.
01:45:23.000 Yeah, those are the gropers.
01:45:28.000 Those are the gropers, not groipers.
01:45:30.000 So, those are not our guys.
01:45:33.000 Not a boomer.
01:45:33.000 Says apparently when North Carolina sends their gropers, they aren't sending their best.
01:45:38.000 Truly.
01:45:39.000 I apologize for the sniffling.
01:45:41.000 I'm all congested today.
01:45:42.000 Foyle says homosexuality should be discouraged because it doesn't produce children.
01:45:46.000 Please be prepared next time. 1.00
01:45:48.000 Yeah, well that's a very stupid argument, which has nothing to do with what we're saying. 0.98
01:45:52.000 So please be prepared. 0.99
01:45:54.000 Yeah, don't prepare like that.
01:45:55.000 If you prepare like that, you're gonna get mowed down. 0.91
01:45:58.000 It's about Christians. 0.94
01:45:59.000 It's about why are Christians not welcome? 0.98
01:46:01.000 You know, it was about the promotion of homosexuality. 0.99
01:46:04.000 I'll admit he's kind of outflanked us on that one.
01:46:06.000 Now it's about, well, what about me as a Christian?
01:46:08.000 What am I supposed to do?
01:46:10.000 Why are you hostile towards Christians that aren't down with this approach?
01:46:14.000 I would say that's a tactical reframing, but yeah. 0.99
01:46:18.000 Well, homosexuality is bad because it doesn't have kids. 1.00
01:46:21.000 What's he gonna say? 0.98
01:46:22.000 What about infertile people? 1.00
01:46:23.000 Okay?
01:46:23.000 I mean, this is... I know it's not like a totally cogent argument, but it's just so wrong.
01:46:28.000 This is just so wrong.
01:46:29.000 I hope nobody listens to that.
01:46:31.000 Eddie says, Hey Charlie.
01:46:32.000 So, uh, yeah, you, uh, Israel, uh, yeah, you said, uh, yeah, sorry.
01:46:37.000 Yeah, that's okay, right?
01:46:39.000 I mean, that's what we were dealing with tonight.
01:46:41.000 Mr. Corgi says, Let Carolina go blue after that performance. 1.00
01:46:44.000 Definitely lost this battle, but Groyper should not be discouraged.
01:46:48.000 Can't wait to see Yevropa rise, right?
01:46:50.000 No, no, disavow.
01:46:53.000 Romance has ever seen the movie in the company of men It's about a guy literally named Chad and he bullies a deaf woman throughout the film based highly recommend it Okay, Kyle says didn't Kurt just deny a week or so ago He knew who identify you have Rapa was and Ray refused opportunity to debate Patrick.
01:47:13.000 Yeah, that is a good point But you know again, we don't want to make it about that
01:47:17.000 Yeah, that's a good point.
01:47:18.000 He is lying, you know.
01:47:19.000 Two weeks ago, he says, oh, I don't know who you are, Patrick Casey.
01:47:22.000 I don't know what you're about.
01:47:23.000 Today, name-dropped him, so... Yeah, but it's not important.
01:47:26.000 Uh, Ugin says, far greater than 2016 4chan autism.
01:47:30.000 Groypers signify the cultural equivalent of an Operation Barbarossa, and that was no Stalingrad. 0.96
01:47:35.000 I don't love that comparison.
01:47:38.000 Uh, Venom says, those weren't North Carolinians.
01:47:40.000 Raleigh is practically Virginia.
01:47:42.000 Okay, I don't know anything about that.
01:47:45.000 Joseph says maybe the North Carolina event was successfully rigged by Turning Point. 1.00
01:47:49.000 Or maybe the North Carolina Groypers are just dumb. 0.98
01:47:51.000 But either, excuse me, either way there are bound to be setbacks. 0.98
01:47:55.000 The Groyper uprising is far from over. 0.98
01:47:57.000 I agree.
01:47:59.000 Joshua says, I bet those questions sounded good in their heads.
01:48:02.000 That's exactly it.
01:48:02.000 People daydream.
01:48:04.000 It's a big mistake.
01:48:04.000 I don't blame you for making that mistake, but it's a big mistake.
01:48:08.000 They imagine their heads.
01:48:08.000 Oh, well first I'm gonna say, hey, what about this?
01:48:11.000 Then I'm gonna say, oh, well got you because it doesn't work like that.
01:48:14.000 It's not gonna go how you think in your head.
01:48:16.000 You gotta rehearse.
01:48:17.000 That's why you gotta prepare.
01:48:18.000 Be realistic.
01:48:19.000 Mentally visualize what's going to happen.
01:48:21.000 Not this daydream.
01:48:23.000 You know, Mickey Mouse stuff, where everyone's gonna be, oh, you saved the day, they're carrying you, surfing the crowds, that's how it's gonna go.
01:48:31.000 You're gonna be a big audience, gonna be quiet, the spotlight's gonna be on you, you're gonna be nervous, your mouth won't get dry, I mean, these are things that happen.
01:48:39.000 And you will forget some of the things that you wrote down.
01:48:41.000 All that swagger will probably leave you.
01:48:44.000 These are the realities of, you know, if you're not used to public speaking.
01:48:47.000 So this, I'm gonna go up and I'm gonna say, hey Charlie, I'm gonna own you.
01:48:50.000 What's really gonna happen is your fight-or-flight response is gonna kick in.
01:48:53.000 You're gonna see, you're gonna be very angsty and not even aware of it.
01:48:57.000 Very antsy to get in there.
01:49:00.000 And what we need is discipline, self-control, these kinds of things.
01:49:04.000 Aren't baby says hello 9-11 department or 9-1-1 department I just saw some pibbles around Cicero Avenue roaming around playing the knockout game what's pibbles is that pitbulls Kyle says the event was very full almost half did not get in yeah I'm told some gripers weren't able to attend so that that's a part of it I guess
01:49:24.000 Michael says, I apologize for my fellow Groypers tonight for bad optics.
01:49:28.000 Sadly, I couldn't make it to the event.
01:49:30.000 Well, it would have been the difference maker, maybe.
01:49:32.000 Raul says, I think it would be good to look at this event as an opportunity to further tune our strategy.
01:49:37.000 Remember, God is on our side.
01:49:39.000 Also, look at the moon outside.
01:49:40.000 Yeah, full moon.
01:49:42.000 But yeah, I agree.
01:49:43.000 It's an opportunity to grow.
01:49:46.000 Hey Nick, as a writer, I was thinking about writing a manifesto for our movement.
01:49:51.000 Would you be interested in reading it?
01:49:52.000 No, I don't think anybody would be interested in a manifesto by some random person.
01:49:57.000 Also, Russell Kirk, based or cringe?
01:49:59.000 Kind of based.
01:50:00.000 We don't really need a manifesto right now, and if we were going to have a manifesto, it wouldn't be by some random person.
01:50:05.000 Come on now.
01:50:06.000 If you write a manifesto, we have to remain somewhat formless as the years go on.
01:50:12.000 I think that's an advantage for us.
01:50:14.000 So there's some benefits to that, there's some disadvantages, but I mean, I don't think anybody would be interested in that.
01:50:20.000 Nico says, all I gave, all gave some, some gave all at OSU, ASU, UCLA, and UFF, only for North Carolina to drop the ball.
01:50:28.000 At least North Carolina had a black guy rapping. 1.00
01:50:30.000 Charlay and the Boomers were like, dance boy, dance. 0.62
01:50:34.000 That's kind of funny.
01:50:35.000 And yeah, I mean, look, there's a lot of people.
01:50:37.000 It's not all over.
01:50:38.000 We didn't, we, the damage remains.
01:50:40.000 You know, I still think they're on the defensive here, but...
01:50:43.000 Yeah, you could say that they didn't, uh, they didn't live up to the threshold there.
01:50:48.000 Moths says, at least nobody asked about Moloch.
01:50:50.000 That, in some ways, could have been better, frankly.
01:50:53.000 Carter says, I had a car full of Groypers driving to North Carolina State earlier tonight, but on my way, my car broke down.
01:50:59.000 Took an hour to fix, and by then it was too late.
01:51:02.000 We really prepped our questions, too.
01:51:03.000 Next time, King.
01:51:06.000 God didn't pull through for us tonight, huh?
01:51:09.000 Sullen says, this is not a matter of victory or defeat.
01:51:11.000 This is not a matter of the ebb and flow of the Groyper War, for our victory is certain.
01:51:15.000 It is a matter only of the eternal and when... No, no, no.
01:51:19.000 Please, none of this.
01:51:21.000 It was a defeat.
01:51:22.000 We can have defeats, but we just have to learn from them.
01:51:24.000 But this, this kind of like denialism, this is, this is what will kill us.
01:51:29.000 Well, the victory is certain.
01:51:30.000 No, it's certainly not certain.
01:51:32.000 They're a very powerful enemy.
01:51:34.000 If we're not smart, if we're not fighting hard and working hard, we will lose.
01:51:37.000 So, that kind of complacency is not what we need.
01:51:41.000 Chris says, Dr. Omar Kafil's diagnosis tonight's event was cancerous.
01:51:46.000 Yep, let's see.
01:51:49.000 Real Life says, Blackpilled again on a Thursday night?
01:51:52.000 Let every failure be an example of how to be better.
01:51:55.000 Research and remember your topic.
01:51:56.000 Yeah, big agree.
01:51:58.000 Rish, what is this?
01:52:01.000 Rish something cash says, Our great emperor once said he would gladly take the slings and arrows for us.
01:52:06.000 Similarly, I see you taking the black pills for the gripers every day and I have nothing but respect.
01:52:10.000 Stay strong, King.
01:52:11.000 Well, thanks.
01:52:13.000 Cloud nine ninjas is the easiest way to counter charlie on demographics is to ask here we go another amazing stellar suggestion charlie do you believe california which went blue shortly after the reagan amnesty can be flipped as goes california so goes the nation oh yeah he'll he'll totally have nothing to respond to maybe just asked really well thought out well researched well framed questions instead of these oh i know here's the easiest way no there are no easy ways there are difficult ways that require a lot of thought about framing
01:52:41.000 Well, if we just say this... No, he'll just pivot.
01:52:45.000 He'll just control the microphone.
01:52:47.000 Do you really think?
01:52:48.000 Do you really believe he'll say yes?
01:52:50.000 Do you really believe?
01:52:51.000 Yes.
01:52:53.000 That's a terrible way to start.
01:52:54.000 Do you really believe?
01:52:55.000 Yes.
01:52:56.000 Or no.
01:52:57.000 Or I'll just reframe it.
01:52:59.000 That is not an effective question.
01:53:01.000 Need California can be flipped. 1.00
01:53:04.000 There are a variety of reasons he could come up with why it isn't flipped.
01:53:07.000 Entrenchment, culture, whatever.
01:53:11.000 The idea that this is a kill shot.
01:53:13.000 You have to look at it like chess.
01:53:15.000 Oh, I put you in check.
01:53:16.000 Yeah, well, he can still move out of it.
01:53:18.000 We need checkmate.
01:53:19.000 Checkmate.
01:53:20.000 That's a great analogy.
01:53:21.000 Well, credit to me.
01:53:22.000 Great analogy.
01:53:23.000 Hello, great analogy department.
01:53:25.000 We need the checkmate.
01:53:27.000 Anybody can put the king in check.
01:53:28.000 Check does not win the game, if you're familiar with chess.
01:53:31.000 It's not hard to put a piece in a position where the king is in a position where he could be killed by a question, by a move.
01:53:38.000 It is difficult to put him in a position where he has nowhere to go.
01:53:41.000 Where he cannot stay where he is and he has nowhere to go.
01:53:44.000 That's what you must do with the question.
01:53:45.000 Box him in. 0.99
01:53:46.000 Not come up with a gotcha where it's like, oh, well, you look kind of silly now. 0.98
01:53:51.000 Cut off all his options.
01:53:52.000 Frame it in such a way that you anticipate what he's going to say, and there's nowhere that he can really go with this.
01:53:58.000 There's nowhere where he can effectively pivot.
01:54:01.000 But to just simply say, well, oh, do you really believe California can be flipped?
01:54:04.000 Well, sure, I mean, now the onus is on him to explain away how California's become blue, but he's got a lot of ways to do that.
01:54:11.000 Some of them compelling, some of them not.
01:54:12.000 Some of them are just filler, but he's got reasons.
01:54:16.000 The task of the question is to make sure that he has nowhere to go, to box him in.
01:54:21.000 If he goes up, down, left, right, diagonal, even if he stays where he is, he's toast.
01:54:26.000 That's what a good question does.
01:54:27.000 The carpetbagging question was perfect. 1.00
01:54:29.000 You had a good sort of preamble to it.
01:54:32.000 You know, and then the ultimate setup which is, why would you call it this tactic of, you know, electioneering basically through population replacement?
01:54:40.000 A question like that, well set up, with the facts like the guy did yesterday in Florida, is a checkmate.
01:54:45.000 We need checkmates.
01:54:47.000 I hope that analogy works.
01:54:48.000 I think that explains what we're trying to do here.
01:54:50.000 I don't know what that has to do with Charlie Kirk. 0.86
01:55:06.000 Let's see dumbass says that's life and remember as always that's life Ha ha ha right. 0.95
01:55:12.000 Yeah, we get tackled by the police. 0.99
01:55:13.000 We get tackled by Charlie Kirk John says maybe next time grill Charlie here.
01:55:17.000 Here we go.
01:55:18.000 Here's another suggestion another suggestion.
01:55:20.000 Well amazing suggestions Grill Charlie Kirk on how well he knows the Bible.
01:55:24.000 Yeah.
01:55:24.000 No, don't do that
01:55:26.000 Gregory says I'm going to the UH event tomorrow.
01:55:29.000 I'm thinking of asking Kirk about a support for EB-5 visas.
01:55:32.000 Any advice in particular or sources to look into?
01:55:35.000 If not, should I try pressing him on St.
01:55:37.000 Clair?
01:55:38.000 Pressing him on St.
01:55:38.000 Clair has been done before.
01:55:40.000 Maybe you can get a little bit more progress depending on how you ask it, but I'd go with EB-5 visas.
01:55:45.000 Check out what Michelle Malkin has to say about it and Colter.
01:55:49.000 Fair, which is, what is it, the Foundation for American Immigration Reform, something like that.
01:55:54.000 Fair, CIS.
01:55:56.000 Get a lot of sources.
01:55:57.000 Get a lot of arguments.
01:55:58.000 Michelle Malkin did a great piece about this just last week in American Greatness.
01:56:02.000 That's a good source.
01:56:04.000 Let's see.
01:56:04.000 Mike says, big fan of the show, man.
01:56:06.000 Keep it up.
01:56:06.000 If everything plays out, I'm gonna run for president and fix this dump.
01:56:09.000 God bless.
01:56:10.000 Well, I hope you do that.
01:56:12.000 ASDF says, did you see Sam Cedars offered to moderate a debate between you and Charlie Kirk?
01:56:17.000 I did.
01:56:19.000 Let's see Gabe says one half of a question.
01:56:22.000 Why would Israel deliberately attack the USS Liberty answer to prevent the u.s.
01:56:25.000 No, no, do not it We don't want to be arguing that again If there's nothing wrong with naming the Liberty inherently, but what's the goal?
01:56:34.000 You know is the goal to get people to think that Israel attacked the USS Liberty.
01:56:40.000 Okay, but to what end and
01:56:41.000 The end is to make Israel less credible as an ally. 0.55
01:56:46.000 To make people who shield for Israel less credible.
01:56:49.000 So only in the service of that argument is this relevant.
01:56:53.000 And look, I'll just say this because it's become so problematic.
01:56:58.000 Stop being obsessed with Jewish people. 0.77
01:56:59.000 Stop. 0.96
01:57:00.000 And look, I used to push back on this so hard, and I tried.
01:57:04.000 People would say, oh, they're all obsessed with Israel.
01:57:06.000 They're all obsessed with Jews. 0.95
01:57:07.000 I would say, we're not. 0.58
01:57:08.000 We're just bringing up valid criticisms.
01:57:10.000 But you know what?
01:57:11.000 Some people are.
01:57:12.000 There are people out there that are, and look, we just have to say it.
01:57:15.000 They are.
01:57:16.000 Just honest, just true.
01:57:18.000 You can call out, and look, I'll say straight up, you can call out Organized Jewry, which exists. 0.99
01:57:23.000 The Organized Jewish Lobby, which exists.
01:57:25.000 It's distinct and different from the Israel Lobby.
01:57:28.000 It's out there.
01:57:29.000 Why does Harvey Weinstein work with the Mossad if it's about, you know, right-wing Zionists and left-wing media people? 0.51
01:57:35.000 You know, why was Jeffrey Epstein working with the Mossad if it's about left-wing, you know, Jewish people?
01:57:40.000 Right-wing Zionists. 0.91
01:57:42.000 Who is pressuring the State Department to shut down the military base that was going to be built in Poland because of the Polish Holocaust laws?
01:57:50.000 Was the Israel lobby pushing that, or was that the organized Jewry?
01:57:54.000 It exists.
01:57:55.000 The Israel lobby exists.
01:57:56.000 They exerted a disproportionate amount of power.
01:57:58.000 They got us into the Iraq war.
01:57:59.000 I mean, the list goes on and on.
01:58:00.000 Okay, I get that.
01:58:02.000 That's a part of our worldview.
01:58:04.000 It's integrated into a coherent worldview.
01:58:06.000 But there are people that they just cannot let that go.
01:58:08.000 If you're not talking about it every second of every day, then, oh, you're afraid you're in their pocket, whatever.
01:58:14.000 And that we just have to, we just have to drop that.
01:58:18.000 Just have to shed that.
01:58:19.000 It's not to say that, look, I say it every night unapologetically.
01:58:22.000 I acknowledge it.
01:58:23.000 Yeah, that's happening.
01:58:23.000 It's true.
01:58:24.000 But it's also true that we can't get too hung up on that because that's not what we're about.
01:58:28.000 We're about America first.
01:58:30.000 Okay, and acknowledging some realities is part of that.
01:58:33.000 Telling the truth is part of that.
01:58:35.000 Not being afraid of political correctness is a part of that.
01:58:37.000 But it's not this, you know, weird, like, I don't even know.
01:58:41.000 So, I'll say that that's another, you know, it's about the U.S.S.
01:58:44.000 Liberty.
01:58:45.000 No, it's about America.
01:58:46.000 And how does this ultimately serve the people in America?
01:58:51.000 I mean, look, at a certain point you just have to say that.
01:58:54.000 Nikki J says, I felt it was more like a draw than an L. We sent in the Groyper C team.
01:59:00.000 Not our best.
01:59:00.000 You win some, you lose some, but you lived a Groyper another day.
01:59:03.000 Yeah, I agree.
01:59:04.000 It was a draw. 0.96
01:59:06.000 Prince of Conquest says, that last Groyper was just throwing shit at the wall to see what stuck. 1.00
01:59:10.000 Very unfocused and unprepared. 0.98
01:59:11.000 Yep, my take exactly.
01:59:13.000 Knowing the relevant facts isn't enough.
01:59:15.000 Yes, I agree.
01:59:16.000 That is a great way to say that.
01:59:19.000 Kid Trunks says we want to build communities with people who share our heritage.
01:59:22.000 Charlie claims we need justification or else this preference is immoral.
01:59:27.000 But preferences don't, excuse me, require justification.
01:59:30.000 Come on, Charlie.
01:59:32.000 Yeah, this isn't really gonna fly.
01:59:33.000 That's not really gonna work.
01:59:35.000 It's not, it's not compelling.
01:59:36.000 It's not convincing to people who don't already believe it.
01:59:40.000 Thank you so much.
01:59:40.000 Yep!
01:59:57.000 Those are perfect points.
01:59:59.000 Thanks for the big super chat.
02:00:00.000 Thanks for a perfect 100% right points.
02:00:03.000 Exactly.
02:00:04.000 Number one, if they try to set you up like that, disavow, disavow, disavow. 1.00
02:00:08.000 You're disgusting. 1.00
02:00:08.000 How could you say that? 1.00
02:00:09.000 I know what you're doing.
02:00:10.000 That's what it has to be. 0.96
02:00:11.000 If the knee jerk is you're an anti-Semite, then the knee jerk is how dare you? 0.95
02:00:14.000 I absolutely dare you. 1.00
02:00:16.000 You know, you're evil. 1.00
02:00:17.000 You're disgusting. 1.00
02:00:18.000 You're smearing me. 1.00
02:00:19.000 I love my country.
02:00:20.000 You're just like the left.
02:00:22.000 Perfect.
02:00:22.000 Perfect.
02:00:23.000 Point number one, exactly right.
02:00:25.000 Point number two says Nick.
02:00:26.000 This isn't even me.
02:00:27.000 Somebody says Nick.
02:00:28.000 Nick O is the username.
02:00:30.000 Number two, if you aren't prepared, don't have relevant info, don't get in line.
02:00:33.000 Exactly.
02:00:34.000 If you're not prepared, don't even get in line.
02:00:36.000 Three, it's America first. 0.92
02:00:38.000 Don't focus on Israel.
02:00:39.000 Exactly.
02:00:40.000 Not to say don't talk about Israel, not to say don't ask about it, but it's America first. 0.83
02:00:44.000 The focus is on America.
02:00:45.000 What's happening here?
02:00:47.000 Sure, they play a part in the wars and whatever, but it's about America.
02:00:51.000 America first.
02:00:52.000 If you're talking about Israel more than America, you're making a mistake.
02:00:55.000 The same mistake they are in some sense.
02:00:57.000 That hang-up has got to stop.
02:00:58.000 It's a part of it, but the hang-up, the obsession, it's got to go.
02:01:03.000 And then lastly, don't beg for a debate, exactly right.
02:01:06.000 Why won't you debate?
02:01:07.000 It was maybe okay the first time, but this, debate, debate this guy, debate this guy, it looks desperate, it looks like we're signaling weakness.
02:01:14.000 Debate me is a meme, you know, we don't want that, you know, say, well, watch America First with Nicholas J. We should check out his content.
02:01:21.000 I agree, that's a much better, I didn't even think to say that, but that's a much better frame.
02:01:25.000 So thanks for the big super chat, great points, really great points.
02:01:29.000 Let's see.
02:01:29.000 Prey says, Nick, I want to apologize for North Carolina's cringe tonight.
02:01:33.000 They closed the event before my friends and I could get in and walking away I saw multiple people open your stream.
02:01:38.000 Sad day for gripers.
02:01:39.000 Yeah, but there's another day tomorrow.
02:01:42.000 Christian says, hey Nick, thanks for everything you're doing.
02:01:44.000 My wife was the woman pushed to the front of the line at UF and I was the white Cuban.
02:01:49.000 We sent our first chat earlier this year announcing we were married.
02:01:52.000 We are now expecting our first child this year.
02:01:55.000 Well, that's a great story.
02:01:56.000 Thanks for sharing.
02:01:57.000 Congrats on the first kid.
02:01:59.000 Congrats on the marriage.
02:01:59.000 You guys did a great job yesterday.
02:02:01.000 The white Cuban, the femoid, the based femoid, you guys did great. 1.00
02:02:06.000 So, congrats on the question and congrats on the marriage.
02:02:08.000 Wow, isn't that amazing that we see over the course of a year?
02:02:12.000 people send in a super chat and you know at one time and then a year later they're married and having kids that's what it's all about so so kudos to you guys praying praying for the marriage praying for the fit for the for the child that's very exciting I'm glad for you and thanks for the big super chat
02:02:30.000 Yo mama says, hey Nick, you fellow Chicago and Catholic femoid here, your fellow Chicago and Catholic femoid here, I had a nightmare that you married Brittany Venti instead of me. 0.96
02:02:40.000 Please let me bribe you so that never happens.
02:02:45.000 Okay, thank you.
02:02:48.000 That is a nightmare.
02:02:49.000 That is a nightmare for everybody, I think.
02:02:51.000 No e-girls, right? 1.00
02:02:52.000 Not even once.
02:02:53.000 Not even once, let alone getting married.
02:02:55.000 So yeah, but I don't know.
02:02:56.000 I don't know if we're gonna get married, but hey.
02:02:59.000 But it's very flattering, thank you.
02:03:01.000 I appreciate the kind words, but...
02:03:04.000 But yeah, definitely, no, I think we can agree.
02:03:05.000 You know, Brittany Fenty, look, I mean, look, she's, um, it would be mixing.
02:03:10.000 It would be mixing.
02:03:11.000 She's a pagan. 0.95
02:03:12.000 She doesn't even like Joker. 0.60
02:03:13.000 She didn't like Joker.
02:03:14.000 She didn't like Jesus as king.
02:03:15.000 She countersignals groipers. 0.99
02:03:17.000 She countersignals, oh, I'm sorry, some groipers in baked Alaska. 1.00
02:03:20.000 Sorry.
02:03:21.000 I like her.
02:03:21.000 I consider her friendly.
02:03:23.000 And, uh, and all.
02:03:24.000 I still talk to her, but, um...
02:03:27.000 Marriage?
02:03:28.000 Sorry, gonna have to be Catholic, gonna have to be Italian, gonna be able to cook up some shakadala and beans and some baked mustachioli, and we're gonna have to have some cavadils, you know? 0.61
02:03:36.000 I look, I'm at a certain point where I'm kind of like a high-profile guy now.
02:03:40.000 I'm like a big political guy.
02:03:42.000 I think it's not too much to ask that I have some cavadils.
02:03:45.000 I'm over here saving the nation.
02:03:47.000 I know it's kind of hard to make, it's a little tedious, but
02:03:50.000 Look, frankly, I bring a lot to the table.
02:03:52.000 What's she going to bring to the table?
02:03:53.000 Mac and cheese isn't going to cut it.
02:03:55.000 Canned soup, not going to cut it.
02:03:56.000 We're going to need some cavadils, a big mustachioli.
02:03:59.000 We're going to need the works here.
02:04:00.000 So, but thanks.
02:04:03.000 Let's see. 0.56
02:04:05.000 Gabe says, so it's this question about homosexuals.
02:04:11.000 Why do we care about what two consenting adults do in private?
02:04:13.000 Answer, because it reflects in public. 0.87
02:04:15.000 Kids in California now subject to learning gay sex in public education.
02:04:20.000 Yeah, that's a great, that is a great angle.
02:04:22.000 Why do we care what two people do in the privacy of their own homes? 0.99
02:04:25.000 Well, that's not happening.
02:04:26.000 That's what I call out.
02:04:27.000 Well, that's not what's happening.
02:04:28.000 It's not in the privacy anymore.
02:04:30.000 It's in the public schools.
02:04:32.000 It's on television.
02:04:33.000 It's in, it's in, you know, all of the culture.
02:04:36.000 And how do you think it started?
02:04:37.000 It started with the privacy.
02:04:39.000 You know, he said, oh, it's a slippery slope fallacy.
02:04:41.000 Not a fallacy.
02:04:43.000 Look how far we slid.
02:04:44.000 It started with marriage and it ended up where it is now.
02:04:46.000 So I think that's a good counter argument.
02:04:48.000 Heinrich says, I don't know what Yevropa is, but I am against neo-nazism. 1.00
02:04:52.000 Simple as, you morons. 1.00
02:04:54.000 Never been prouder to be a Yankee than today. 1.00
02:04:56.000 Other than that, in USS Spurge, it was cringe but not disaster tier.
02:04:59.000 Yeah.
02:05:00.000 Please, Texans tomorrow, rep your state.
02:05:03.000 Texans will never recover if they botch it tomorrow.
02:05:06.000 Embarrass us Yanks. 0.97
02:05:07.000 The Yanks killed it in Ohio. 0.99
02:05:09.000 We killed it in New Hampshire. 0.97
02:05:10.000 We killed it in Iowa. 1.00
02:05:12.000 So prove the Yanks wrong. 0.91
02:05:14.000 Show us what you got, right?
02:05:16.000 Let's have a little regional rivalry here.
02:05:18.000 Friendly regional rivalry.
02:05:20.000 But I wouldn't even disavow.
02:05:21.000 I would just call out what you're doing.
02:05:24.000 Sure, I disavow neo-Nazism.
02:05:25.000 So does everybody.
02:05:26.000 But what you're doing is wrong.
02:05:29.000 I would just be dismissive.
02:05:31.000 Oh yeah, sure.
02:05:31.000 Nobody's a Nazi here.
02:05:33.000 What are you, a leftist?
02:05:34.000 Of course I disavow Nazism. 0.88
02:05:35.000 But what you're doing is dishonest and blah blah blah.
02:05:38.000 But it has to be totally dismissive.
02:05:41.000 Let's see.
02:05:42.000 Tim says, tonight was decidedly an L for the Groipers.
02:05:45.000 Got a bit cocky and we paid the price.
02:05:47.000 We are still by far their superior and people have taken notice.
02:05:50.000 In due time, we will finally be given the respect that we deserve.
02:05:54.000 I agree all around.
02:05:56.000 Let's see.
02:05:58.000 Wow, we got a lot of super chats tonight.
02:06:00.000 I'm congested.
02:06:01.000 It's 10 o'clock, but you know what?
02:06:03.000 We're gonna power through these.
02:06:04.000 We're gonna get through them all and everyone's gonna be so proud of me.
02:06:10.000 Let's see, where did I leave off?
02:06:11.000 I scrolled down a little too far there.
02:06:17.000 Sneaker says, I'm not suggesting America First to Kia, but if a clip isn't worth sharing, then simply don't share it.
02:06:23.000 I agree.
02:06:24.000 Flex says, I got a chance to ask my question about demographic shift as a political tool, but the Europa plan had reserved seat for him in VIP.
02:06:32.000 Disappointed in my state, but approved my point.
02:06:34.000 Yeah, well, it begs the question.
02:06:36.000 Maybe there are plants involved. 0.90
02:06:37.000 I don't know, but...
02:06:39.000 Yeah, I wish you were able to ask your question.
02:06:40.000 Or were you the guy that asked about carpetbagging?
02:06:44.000 If so, you did a great job.
02:06:45.000 Most of this is wrong.
02:06:47.000 Why would we talk about Buckley?
02:06:48.000 Why would we talk about conservatives?
02:06:49.000 No, this is all wrong.
02:07:03.000 And, you know, I don't necessarily even agree with shut up about Israel. 0.70
02:07:06.000 Just don't be obsessed with it. 0.60
02:07:07.000 I would never say shut up about Israel.
02:07:09.000 Please talk about it.
02:07:10.000 But let's not.
02:07:11.000 It's one part.
02:07:12.000 It's one part.
02:07:13.000 One part of our program.
02:07:15.000 One part of our platform.
02:07:18.000 I don't know.
02:07:35.000 Jax says the only things Dixies can't lose is weight. 1.00
02:07:39.000 Okay, you know, that's a little that's a little tough on our on our southern friends.
02:07:43.000 Yoker says none of these cringe Q&A moments would have happened if Charlie and Ben were open to a real debate with you.
02:07:48.000 I mean, that's true.
02:07:50.000 Also, what year is the official Zoomer millennial divide?
02:07:52.000 Any hope being a Zoom mill like me? 0.98
02:07:54.000 96?
02:07:55.000 I think 97?
02:07:57.000 Maybe 96 is the most generous we can be, but I mean you're kind of right on the cusp there.
02:08:02.000 TF2 says I got my ticket back in September and drove two hours to Raleigh only for the venue to fill up by 6 30.
02:08:09.000 Only white pills and I talked to three knickers in line.
02:08:11.000 At least we can be cringed together.
02:08:13.000 Yeah I guess so.
02:08:15.000 Soxie didn't get in though. 1.00
02:08:16.000 Gotta get early.
02:08:17.000 Gotta get there early.
02:08:18.000 Early early groyper catches the worm.
02:08:21.000 Early groyper catches the victim and then you know what happens.
02:08:25.000 Cloud9 says Charlie you support group identity for blacks, asians, and jewish people.
02:08:31.000 I apologize.
02:08:32.000 I know the stifling is annoying.
02:08:33.000 I would not ask about that.
02:08:34.000 I would frame it like that.
02:08:35.000 I would say, 0.96
02:08:53.000 You know, you say that white identity is evil. 0.98
02:08:54.000 But meanwhile, you have these black conferences, whatever. 0.96
02:08:57.000 I believe it's all or nothing.
02:08:58.000 Either everybody gets to play identity politics, everybody gets to be proud of who they are and exert their interests, or nobody does.
02:09:04.000 Which is it for you?
02:09:05.000 If you believe it's the latter, then why do you do these conferences?
02:09:08.000 I would frame it exactly like that.
02:09:10.000 Our Last Stance's friend of mine goes to North Carolina State, said he got there late and there were 300 people in front of him in the line.
02:09:16.000 Most were not let in.
02:09:17.000 Supposedly there were a surprising amount of boomers in line, too.
02:09:20.000 Well, there you go.
02:09:21.000 So, there were some disadvantages.
02:09:23.000 A lot of forces conspired to make tonight go badly.
02:09:28.000 Logan says we need to get back to the only Chad Groyper's doing questions.
02:09:32.000 Too many weak-kneed men unable to stand their ground. 1.00
02:09:34.000 Well, I would take it a little easy, but yeah, we want people that can execute. 0.56
02:09:39.000 Jim says this whole tour has been a win for us, plus now I got a clip of Kirk explicitly countersignaling white ethnicity.
02:09:45.000 Yeah, I mean, I agree.
02:09:47.000 Broadly speaking, it's been a win.
02:09:49.000 Dantastic says, I was a guy with the question about gay marriage and transsexuality.
02:09:54.000 Can't believe my phone slept in the middle.
02:09:57.000 That's what low power mode gets me.
02:09:59.000 Sorry we disappointed you tonight.
02:10:01.000 Hope this helps.
02:10:02.000 Well, thanks for the super chat.
02:10:03.000 Look, I mean these things happen.
02:10:05.000 You should have prepared.
02:10:06.000 You should have, you know, but look, I mean these things do happen.
02:10:10.000 You know, minor logistical things.
02:10:11.000 I did say, you know, prepare for logistical things, but
02:10:14.000 You know, you stepped up.
02:10:15.000 It does take some guts to do that.
02:10:18.000 You had heart.
02:10:18.000 You had energy.
02:10:20.000 So we can't be mad at you.
02:10:22.000 We can't be mad at you.
02:10:23.000 There was a disappointing outcome, but you know what?
02:10:26.000 We can, we can take an L here or there.
02:10:27.000 So I'm not, I don't want to be too hard on you.
02:10:29.000 I think it takes a lot of guts to step up, takes a lot of guts to get out in front of the microphone and do what you do, but sometimes it doesn't always work out and you know, you do it better next time, I guess.
02:10:39.000 But I don't, these are young people.
02:10:41.000 These are young people we're talking about.
02:10:42.000 We're going up against a very powerful enemy, so we can't be too hard.
02:10:46.000 We just have to do better.
02:10:47.000 Arrow says this movement is supposed to be hierarchical, isn't it?
02:10:51.000 Then why are we letting just any grouper ask questions?
02:10:54.000 Especially when there's a possibility of them being lame or a plant.
02:10:57.000 So, clearly you don't understand how this works.
02:10:59.000 Why would we allow?
02:11:00.000 We're not really in control of the line, so.
02:11:02.000 Why would we allow them just letting anyone ask a question? 1.00
02:11:05.000 What are you, stupid? 1.00
02:11:06.000 Oh, we control everyone. 1.00
02:11:07.000 I control everyone.
02:11:09.000 The movement is the human race and I control everyone.
02:11:12.000 Oh, hey everybody, don't go online if you're not a real griper. 0.99
02:11:14.000 Okay, like, what a dumb question. 0.97
02:11:18.000 Michael says, why try to pacify the biggest threat to a Christian world? 1.00
02:11:22.000 Okay, I'm not reading this one.
02:11:26.000 Why not talk about the Holocaust, Fed, or Israel?
02:11:30.000 We are starved from a deficit of that specific freedom of speech, kowtowing so you can gatekeep for Trump.
02:11:35.000 Well, we're not gatekeeping anything.
02:11:37.000 We've talked about a lot of things in the past, but clearly you just don't understand optics.
02:11:41.000 You don't understand the plan.
02:11:44.000 And that's all I can say to you for now is you don't understand the plan. 1.00
02:11:47.000 Either you're not smart enough to get it or you're deliberately ignorant, but we're not going to be brought down by people that are just simply stupid and don't understand what we're trying to do here. 0.99
02:11:57.000 Irving says, after tonight on the topic of PR disasters for the movement, what are your plans for when Donald Trump inevitably labels us as anti-Semitic? 0.99
02:12:05.000 Well, I'm not going to engage with that.
02:12:06.000 That's very defeatist rhetoric and probably not going to happen.
02:12:10.000 Uh, and you're banned.
02:12:11.000 You're banned for being a defeatist.
02:12:13.000 Well, inevitably we lose.
02:12:15.000 What's your plan? 1.00
02:12:16.000 What's your plan for being a faggot? 1.00
02:12:18.000 Uh, Bruce says be sure not to answer any questions that Charlie Kirk asks. 1.00
02:12:22.000 Every single one he's done up to this point is used to smear us or dismiss us.
02:12:26.000 Don't give in till he answers the question.
02:12:28.000 God bless.
02:12:29.000 Completely agree.
02:12:31.000 Let's see.
02:12:33.000 Really Awkward Silence says, please wish my brother a happy 21st birthday.
02:12:37.000 Goofball Groyper, happy birthday.
02:12:39.000 Happy 21st to Goofball Groyper.
02:12:41.000 Hope it's a good one.
02:12:42.000 Kind of a rough night for a birthday, but hey, hope it's a good one.
02:12:45.000 You know, get some McDonald's, get some cake, right?
02:12:48.000 Have some ice cream.
02:12:50.000 Akimbo says, I'm not racist. 0.97
02:12:51.000 All I'm saying is that black guys are taller. 1.00
02:12:53.000 I know nothing else about race. 0.51
02:12:55.000 Okay. 0.99
02:12:56.000 Sad Woman says, going forward, Groypers need to run all questions by a couple friends, and those friends need to be brutally honest, willing to say no, that's gay, you're too low IQ, etc. 0.97
02:13:05.000 That's a good idea. 0.97
02:13:07.000 Josh says, terrible optics tonight, low IQ as he is.
02:13:09.000 Charlie Kirk played these guys like fiddles.
02:13:12.000 Questions were poorly researched, loosely framed, and allowed Charlie to lay traps that were stepped straight into.
02:13:17.000 Yep, that's exactly right.
02:13:19.000 John with a super chat and what is this check currency?
02:13:24.000 What do they call it over there?
02:13:25.000 I went to check.
02:13:26.000 Yeah, what did they use?
02:13:28.000 It's
02:13:30.000 I forget what the currency is called, so I don't know the exchange rate exactly.
02:13:34.000 Anyways, it says $20.
02:13:36.000 Okay, thanks for clarifying.
02:13:38.000 It says, P.S.
02:13:39.000 those were the 98 IQ spergs that the Daily Stormer sent there, running everything to the ground as always.
02:13:46.000 Yeah, it's the pernicious plants, pernicious Wignet plants.
02:13:50.000 Yeah, I guess we can blame it on Wignets were sent there by bad people who disavow.
02:13:55.000 Terrible.
02:13:56.000 We should have listened to Andrew Clavin instead.
02:13:57.000 Should have listened to Andrew Clavin at the Daily Wire.
02:14:00.000 But this Andrew Anglin guy, the Daily Stormer, man, this Wignat, he's sending all these bad guys, Nazis, to our events, right? 0.79
02:14:08.000 He's sending in plants and aren't gonna do a good job.
02:14:11.000 Yep.
02:14:12.000 You know, I guess, I guess we could say blame plants, blame it on, uh, blame it on, you know, plants trying to make us look bad.
02:14:20.000 Should have listened to people like me and Andrew Klaven.
02:14:22.000 Andrew Klaven at Daily Wire clearly warned against all this stuff.
02:14:25.000 The guy at Daily Wire said explicitly, don't talk about this stuff, right?
02:14:29.000 So it's just, oh, it's all these terrible plants over there.
02:14:33.000 Anyway, John says, uh, bringing up the Groyper General Frontis is yielding diminishing returns.
02:14:38.000 We must adapt.
02:14:38.000 No, I think, I think you should still mention me.
02:14:41.000 It was not bringing up me that was the problem tonight, obviously.
02:14:46.000 Late Night says, Nick, I want to thank you as a literal 30-year-old boomer and Afghan war vet.
02:14:51.000 You've given me hope for the future of the right.
02:14:53.000 I fully support you in the Groyper movement. 0.93
02:14:55.000 Strength in numbers, strength in truth.
02:14:57.000 Well, thanks.
02:14:58.000 Yeah, very true.
02:14:58.000 We are strong because there's a lot of us and we're telling the truth.
02:15:01.000 But thank you and hey, thank you for your service.
02:15:04.000 The real heroes fought in Afghanistan, right?
02:15:07.000 So thanks, big guy.
02:15:08.000 I appreciate that.
02:15:10.000 Josh says, which part of cooling with the Israel stuff did people not get?
02:15:14.000 Shout out to those three groipers my brother and I saw after who were smoking cigs and complaining about the cold. 1.00
02:15:20.000 That's kind of funny though.
02:15:21.000 Kind of cool.
02:15:23.000 Yeah, shout out to those groipers. 1.00
02:15:25.000 I'm gonna come out to one of these, one of these days.
02:15:27.000 I gotta come to one of these events.
02:15:29.000 I gotta meet the people, because I just love these guys so much.
02:15:32.000 I really do love the Groipers.
02:15:34.000 Every time I go to these events, I really do love the people that are a part of this.
02:15:39.000 Stans says, the key is making sure there's a huge Groiper turnout in the crowd. 1.00
02:15:43.000 Huge red flag when Kirk isn't getting booed to oblivion every time he shills for degeneracy in Israel. 0.96
02:15:48.000 Yeah, it's a good point.
02:15:50.000 Thomas says, I am of sound mind and not depressed or suicidal.
02:15:54.000 I am a safe driver and do not abuse drugs or alcohol.
02:15:57.000 Also, I don't stand on high balconies or juggle knives.
02:15:59.000 Yeah, good clarification for me to make.
02:16:02.000 Says, says, Kirk faces a constant stream of kids that poke and prod him around the country.
02:16:07.000 Kirk could stem the tide by defeating their leader, Nick.
02:16:10.000 Instead, he loses his patience and shouting matches with them.
02:16:13.000 That's a good frame.
02:16:14.000 Yeah.
02:16:27.000 Well, and I don't let anybody shame me.
02:16:29.000 People say, oh, you know, it's not like I couldn't move out.
02:16:31.000 I could very easily, I could very easily move out.
02:16:35.000 But the point is we're trying to build intergenerational wealth.
02:16:38.000 This is the key to financial independence is to save as much money as possible.
02:16:42.000 And, you know, boomers are like, oh, why don't you spend your money on, you know, the perfidious boomer? 0.98
02:16:46.000 They're out there scheming.
02:16:48.000 Why don't you spend money on rent, spend money on landlords?
02:16:51.000 We're good to go.
02:17:04.000 and pay lots of money and not save money it's money you know I mean that's a thing it's like I basically be paying so that people could not make fun of me for that well it's not really worth it to me okay you could say what you want but I'm laughing all the way to the bank so yeah I mean people can say that all they want I'm not the sucker all these people making fun of me it's like they're in college they're drowning in debt haha oh you live with your parents like well I'd probably have a lot lot more saved than you do you know
02:17:30.000 So anyway, that's kind of a detour.
02:17:34.000 I allowed you to control the frame on that one.
02:17:37.000 Disavow!
02:17:37.000 Identify Evrapa!
02:17:39.000 Disavow!
02:17:39.000 Identify Evrapa!
02:17:40.000 You're changing the subject.
02:17:42.000 America First Jew says, sorry the night didn't live up to yesterday.
02:17:46.000 I'll see you guys at SAS later that week.
02:17:48.000 Recoup, re-engage, and be confident.
02:17:50.000 They have AstroTurf and we have the Groyper Army.
02:17:53.000 Yeah, yeah, great point.
02:17:54.000 Some wise words from a veteran of the Groyper War.
02:17:57.000 Thank you.
02:17:58.000 Nation of Immigrants says, why are we not pushing back when these deceivers dodge and don't answer cues or reroute back to their talking points? 0.96
02:18:05.000 Why are we missing chances to boo and echo?
02:18:08.000 Nick, please emphasize this point more. 1.00
02:18:10.000 Dude, shut up. 1.00
02:18:11.000 Shut up. 1.00
02:18:11.000 We've been emphasizing this for three weeks. 1.00
02:18:13.000 Some dumbass who hasn't even asked a question. 0.99
02:18:16.000 Why are we not doing this? 1.00
02:18:17.000 Where are you, big guy?
02:18:18.000 Where are you?
02:18:19.000 What do you mean, we?
02:18:20.000 Why are we not doing this?
02:18:22.000 We have been pushing back.
02:18:23.000 It's tough tactics.
02:18:24.000 It's decentralized.
02:18:25.000 We have been emphasizing this. 1.00
02:18:27.000 Fuck off with this kind of stuff. 1.00
02:18:29.000 Some dumbass loser. 1.00
02:18:30.000 Armchair general from the sidelines getting indignant about it. 1.00
02:18:34.000 Yeah, banned.
02:18:36.000 You know, and this is what I will not have is people from the armchairs criticizing people that are out there.
02:18:40.000 That I will not have.
02:18:42.000 Because you know what?
02:18:43.000 Maybe they didn't do such a great good job, but they were there.
02:18:46.000 But they showed up, they got in line, and they asked their questions.
02:18:49.000 So there's only so much we could say about that.
02:18:51.000 People that didn't even participate.
02:18:54.000 Why are we not doing this?
02:18:55.000 Why are you not saying this?
02:18:56.000 Okay, why don't you start a show?
02:18:58.000 Identity Yevrapa says, thank you for conspiring with us to take over the government, brother.
02:19:03.000 See you at the rally.
02:19:04.000 Ah, yes, thank you!
02:19:06.000 Ryan says, thank God Lara had to leave early.
02:19:08.000 Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
02:19:10.000 Sydney says, we gotta set our standards.
02:19:12.000 We can't have people on the microphone that don't know what they're talking about.
02:19:15.000 Come well-read on your question or don't get in line.
02:19:18.000 Agree.
02:19:19.000 Andrews' questioners could take a lesson from Luther on
02:19:23.000 What is this?
02:19:24.000 Catechetics.
02:19:25.000 Memorize your question and answers.
02:19:27.000 If Kirk goes outside of what you are prepared for, it's perfectly acceptable to give up the mic.
02:19:31.000 Agreed.
02:19:33.000 Stans.
02:19:34.000 Says control of the room is key.
02:19:35.000 All groipers in the crowd need to be heckling Kirk the entire time.
02:19:38.000 He can't get any confidence.
02:19:39.000 Should be totally emasculated by the end. 0.61
02:19:41.000 OSU crowd did this perfectly.
02:19:43.000 Exactly right.
02:19:44.000 That's true.
02:19:45.000 Even if the questions are bad, if he's getting heckled and booed, it doesn't even matter.
02:19:48.000 So, the key is presence.
02:19:50.000 That's a great point.
02:19:52.000 Jay Martz's point out correlation with smear campaign against Stephen Miller by liberals and Kirk against herself for America First policies.
02:19:58.000 That's a great question.
02:20:00.000 Bring up VDare.
02:20:01.000 Bring up all that stuff.
02:20:02.000 Exactly.
02:20:03.000 Bring up the Stephen Miller smear and say how's it any different from what you're doing to Nick Fuentes and the Groikers. 1.00
02:20:09.000 Alan says Charlie with the animosity that whites receive while still in the majority Do you worry how your children will be received when they were viewed as despised in the minority?
02:20:18.000 That's not a bad question But I don't know the red elephant says support Nick and your favorite creators also some good questions at Shapiro event today Yeah, there were some good ones at Shapiro and thanks Vince.
02:20:30.000 Everybody go subscribe this channel.
02:20:31.000 He's great red elephants
02:20:34.000 Zach says bra high tea chat tonight.
02:20:37.000 We got Vince T Marsh and PJ W chillin PJ W's in here.
02:20:41.000 Well, hey, hey Paul, what's going on?
02:20:43.000 You're pretty cool.
02:20:44.000 You're pretty cool guy.
02:20:45.000 Good to have you in the chat.
02:20:46.000 Thanks for uh, thanks for being an honest guy.
02:20:49.000 Thanks for honestly covering what's going on.
02:20:51.000 It takes a lot of integrity to do that.
02:20:53.000 Not a lot of people are doing that.
02:20:55.000 You know, I don't want to name any names, but some other people are being kind of cringe about this.
02:20:59.000 So we appreciate that you've been honest.
02:21:02.000 I've seen this guy lurking around Trump Tower, and you gotta say the guy's a chad.
02:21:06.000 Don't wanna, don't wanna be sippin'. 1.00
02:21:07.000 Don't wanna be sippin' for the bigger E-Celebrity, but... You know, people counter-signal this guy sometimes, and it's like, well, you know, say what you will, but... He do be lookin' kinda fresh, though, so... Very cool!
02:21:17.000 Who's, uh, who's T... What's T. Marsh?
02:21:21.000 I don't know what, uh... Oh!
02:21:22.000 Oh, Taylor Marshall!
02:21:23.000 Oh, yeah, very cool.
02:21:24.000 We love Taylor Marshall.
02:21:26.000 Even if he broke Mutual's Best Buy.
02:21:28.000 It's okay.
02:21:28.000 It's neither here nor there.
02:21:29.000 He's great.
02:21:29.000 He's great.
02:21:30.000 We love him.
02:21:31.000 Let's see.
02:21:31.000 MakeOhioGreat says, I believe the guy, the claim to support, identified Yavrapa was a plant.
02:21:37.000 The question Charlie asked seemed very planned and the Groipers are better than falling for that. 1.00
02:21:41.000 Yeah, that's definitely possible.
02:21:44.000 Well, I mean, people can change their minds.
02:21:46.000 I was a Ben Shapiro fan, you know, five years ago.
02:21:48.000 Five or six years ago.
02:21:50.000 So I guess people can change their minds, but maybe it's worth a little scrutiny.
02:21:53.000 But yeah, he was definitely prepared.
02:22:08.000 You know what he was going to do.
02:22:10.000 Habsburg says, the regulars aren't cutting it anymore.
02:22:12.000 We got to send the elite special forces, grouper, grenadiers.
02:22:16.000 They have had time to learn and fight back.
02:22:18.000 We got to do the same.
02:22:19.000 Cheers.
02:22:19.000 I agree.
02:22:20.000 Time to bring out the big questions, the big guns, the big grouper, the really big groupers. 0.98
02:22:26.000 Southern Dingo says you would probably consider me a wig gnat even though that term is kind of fake and gay. 0.96
02:22:31.000 Okay, then I'm not gonna answer your question. 1.00
02:22:33.000 You would consider me a wig gnat even though I'm retarded and a bitch. 1.00
02:22:37.000 Okay, whatever. 0.99
02:22:39.000 Chris Jones says next event guys.
02:22:42.000 Hit Charles with the fact he supports arming funding and allying with the radical Wahhabis in Saudi Arabia that attacked us on 9-11 and funds ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Al-Shabaab and more only because of Israel?
02:22:54.000 Nah, it's a little too complicated.
02:22:57.000 It's all true.
02:22:58.000 All of that's true.
02:22:59.000 But I think that one's gonna go over a lot of people's heads.
02:23:02.000 There's too much groundwork to be done there.
02:23:04.000 If you have to explain, like, 9-11, Wahhabism, ISIS... If it takes you 20 minutes to introduce people to the idea and the premise of the question, it's probably not effective.
02:23:15.000 Let's see.
02:23:16.000 CIA says, Charlie, what is the purpose of mass immigration?
02:23:19.000 If it is for GDP, is GDP growth at the expense of Americans worth it?
02:23:23.000 Who are burdened with the debt?
02:23:24.000 Not starting families, which pushes them to socialists.
02:23:27.000 That's a great question.
02:23:28.000 That's a beautiful question that ties in families and immigration and the bigger question about GDP.
02:23:34.000 I think the the question about why are immigrants coming here is better than 1.00
02:23:39.000 Like, what's happening as a result of them coming here?
02:23:41.000 In other words, do you think that immigrants should come here because they make the economy stronger? 0.94
02:23:45.000 Or, I mean, what else is there that they bring?
02:23:48.000 And, you know, so something along those lines.
02:23:50.000 That's not perfect, but that's a good angle.
02:23:53.000 Alan says, tell Charlie to make a choice.
02:23:55.000 Serve Israel or the USA? 0.90
02:23:56.000 He cannot serve both.
02:23:58.000 No, don't ask him that.
02:24:00.000 That's because he's going to say, I serve America.
02:24:02.000 Maybe he's going to say it's a false question.
02:24:04.000 Again, these drive-bys don't work.
02:24:06.000 That's a nice check.
02:24:06.000 It's not a checkmate.
02:24:08.000 Let's see.
02:24:09.000 Musix says only 54% of white America voted for Trump and only 39% of young white America voted for Trump.
02:24:16.000 Our problem is cultural.
02:24:17.000 Jesus is coming. 1.00
02:24:18.000 No, this is bullshit though, because 90% of the people that voted for Trump were white. 0.99
02:24:22.000 So that's a nice obfuscation, but it's not true. 0.99
02:24:27.000 RightLimit says I wear socks 99.9% of the time.
02:24:30.000 The only exception is obviously when I'm in the shower, swimming sauna, or during the summer when it's extremely hot.
02:24:36.000 Is this normal?
02:24:38.000 That's how I do it, but I don't know how.
02:24:42.000 Kind of an off focus.
02:24:43.000 I can suspect.
02:24:45.000 I don't want to go Charlie Kirk mode and say, I think I can see where you're going with this.
02:24:49.000 Are you one of those?
02:24:50.000 You know, but yeah, that's normal for me, I guess.
02:24:55.000 Night of Mirrors says, this is a learning experience.
02:24:58.000 We haven't lost until we quit, and we will not quit.
02:25:01.000 James 1, 2 to 4 comes to mind.
02:25:03.000 Yeah, very true.
02:25:04.000 ASDF says if you quit your job to stalk TPUSA and YAF events because you read two chapters of Culture of Critique, please don't ask any questions.
02:25:12.000 Yeah, I think I know what you're getting at.
02:25:15.000 Priority One says Nick, I just watched your excellent speech at Iowa State, but I want to recommend you hire security.
02:25:20.000 Oh, thanks for the unsolicited advice.
02:25:22.000 If you speak publicly again, don't forget a guy tried to tackle Trump at a rally and Milo had his mic taken away by protesters.
02:25:29.000 Well, in that case, it didn't really go as planned, but we improvised and there were cops all around, so we ended up being fine.
02:25:35.000 But thank you for that really great... I never thought of that.
02:25:38.000 Security at an event like that?
02:25:40.000 Wow.
02:25:41.000 Diversity says, this is not a victory for turning point one bit.
02:25:45.000 Just a wake-up call for us to not be cocky.
02:25:47.000 I agree.
02:25:48.000 We are in control.
02:25:49.000 We were just caught off guard.
02:25:50.000 Kirk never responded like this until tonight.
02:25:52.000 Yeah, that's exactly right.
02:25:53.000 George says, thank you, Nick.
02:25:55.000 I know that I would be good at the mic.
02:25:57.000 So here's a scripture.
02:25:58.000 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver.
02:26:00.000 I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction, says Isaiah 48 10.
02:26:05.000 Wise words to live by this week.
02:26:07.000 Stans says, wish someone would have asked him about American exceptionalism.
02:26:11.000 Is it the Christian morality that Kirk has ditched for sodomy and usury? 0.97
02:26:14.000 Is it the conservative government policy that will be erased?
02:26:17.000 Okay, none of this makes sense to me.
02:26:20.000 Alexander says, why pornographic production in the United States is legal?
02:26:24.000 Do you speak English?
02:26:26.000 It may seem like an obvious point that porn is evil as well as physically and spiritually damaging, but its legality never seemed to be seriously discussed or debated.
02:26:34.000 It seems to me, I mean I agree with you.
02:26:37.000 I don't think so.
02:26:59.000 Yeah, that's okay, I guess.
02:27:17.000 Dr. Taylor Marshall says attend traditional Latin Mass.
02:27:21.000 This is real Taylor Marshall, not the fake one.
02:27:23.000 Okay, well, I guess yesterday must have been the fake one, maybe, but hey, thanks.
02:27:28.000 Yeah, look, the one time that I went, it was pretty good.
02:27:32.000 People have been giving me a hard time about this all the time, but yeah, I'll try to make it out.
02:27:36.000 I'll try to make it out to a few more of those.
02:27:38.000 Maybe I'll make it a regular thing.
02:27:40.000 Don't want to bear false witness.
02:27:42.000 Because, you know, maybe I'll just go to Nova Sordo, you know, get my Eucharist and all this, but, you know, the TLM is nice, but, you know, you're not the one that has to drive 45 minutes to downtown Chicago to go to the church, you know?
02:27:55.000 we're in traffic and all that but um yeah well then again sunday is not so bad for traffic but sure sure i'll give it a shot i'll give it a try but uh but thanks for the super chat cheese heads is the q a strategy must end with you at a q a session and his own is the only thing that will re-energize uh you need to be at every event trying to get in line here's 15 for a plane ticket get in line groper okay thanks
02:28:20.000 Yeah, great idea.
02:28:21.000 Not.
02:28:21.000 Yeah, it's not a bad idea, actually.
02:28:24.000 But I don't think anybody's talking about white Americans.
02:28:38.000 I don't think anybody, with the exception of some questions tonight, nobody's been saying like, oh, white.
02:28:42.000 And race, the race dimension is important, so it's kind of a subtle thing here.
02:28:46.000 So I don't know if that's, I don't know if this is the best, but it's, um, it's one angle we could use.
02:28:52.000 Uh, GROIPER says racism and anti-Semitism does not exist.
02:28:55.000 It was invented to control your mind, your thoughts, and your actions.
02:28:58.000 Wake up!
02:28:58.000 Yeah, we know that.
02:29:00.000 Nice all caps, you know, BOOMER, GROIPER in disguise.
02:29:04.000 Uh, let's see.
02:29:08.000 Scroll down a little too far.
02:29:09.000 Where are we here?
02:29:11.000 Suk says, legal immigrant here.
02:29:13.000 Became America first because I studied history extensively.
02:29:17.000 Nobody else of my own kind would bother.
02:29:19.000 They vote Democrat because everybody else does.
02:29:21.000 End immigration now. 1.00
02:29:22.000 Aw, so I see you're one who left the plantation.
02:29:24.000 You're free!
02:29:25.000 You are free from the Democrat plantation.
02:29:27.000 Congratulations.
02:29:29.000 I agree.
02:29:30.000 You know, good for you.
02:29:31.000 Running Wild says, not a question for TPUSA.
02:29:34.000 If Germans, French, Italian, Swedes, and Spaniards 0.90
02:29:37.000 We're relocated to some Middle Eastern country. 0.74
02:29:39.000 Do you think they would break up into ethnic gangs, make bombs, loot the country, and gang-rape the native teens? 1.00
02:29:45.000 Yeah, probably not.
02:29:47.000 Yeah, I know that's what you're saying, but you don't have to counter if you just don't ask, right?
02:30:11.000 Let's see.
02:30:12.000 Anonymous says, great analogy.
02:30:13.000 Strong chess players understand different openings and responses.
02:30:16.000 We need to anticipate Charlie's responses before executing our move.
02:30:20.000 I hear Charlie's weak against the Groyper Gambit.
02:30:22.000 Yes, the Groyper Gambit opening move.
02:30:24.000 Yeah, he does not respond to that.
02:30:26.000 I'm glad you like my analogy.
02:30:29.000 It's never been about brand promotion. 0.99
02:30:30.000 It's a very stupid take I've seen from people. 0.99
02:30:32.000 They say, oh, you're making it about yourself. 1.00
02:30:34.000 They're making it about you.
02:30:35.000 It's about brand promotion.
02:30:36.000 It's never been about brand promotion.
02:30:38.000 The reason you bring up my name is not to promote my brand.
02:30:53.000 I don't consider myself having a brand.
02:30:56.000 You know, this brand, brand talk.
02:30:57.000 Do I have a brand?
02:30:59.000 Do you see me as some inauthentic guy that's constantly preening about my image or something?
02:31:04.000 You know, somebody that, like, if you, if you see the way that I act on live streams, you see the things I do, I'm not constantly preening my brand.
02:31:12.000 I'm not tweeting out these, like, hashtags and, you know, like, I don't want to name her, but people like Charlie Kirk where it's obviously all, like, pre-written control tweets.
02:31:21.000 It's nothing to do with my brand.
02:31:23.000 The point is, I am a representative, and whatever.
02:31:27.000 I did inspire a lot of this stuff, you can't take that away from me.
02:31:31.000 America First Optics, where do you think this came from?
02:31:33.000 You think this came out of a clear blue sky?
02:31:35.000 I'm not going to take credit for the whole thing, because it was people that just came up and asked questions.
02:31:40.000 Uh, but clearly there are people who watch my show inspired by this, and whether it's the media saying I'm a representative, or a lot of the people saying I'm a representative, or me saying, you know what, yeah, I am a representative of this.
02:31:52.000 Um, the point is to say, as somebody who's the face of the Groypers, or one of the faces, or one of the thought leaders, or cheerleaders, you could even say, whatever hurts your ego the least, or, you know, doesn't harm the paranoia about branding, or whatever, whatever you want to say, 0.54
02:32:08.000 Pointing out that they won't debate me is telling, because it says, you know, you'll debate all these other people based on their ideas, but here's somebody who's obviously influential, obviously, you know, in some sense, inspiring this inquiry by young people.
02:32:21.000 Why won't you engage that person?
02:32:23.000 Why don't you even name that person?
02:32:24.000 You know, Ben Shapiro did a whole speech about me.
02:32:27.000 We're good to go!
02:32:49.000 You know, all the things we've been stressing for four weeks.
02:32:52.000 Have I ever stressed, mention me, mention my show?
02:32:54.000 I said that a few times because I think it is helpful, but the stress has always been, ask well-written questions.
02:33:00.000 You know, what to do if they, you know, try to cut you in line, whatever.
02:33:04.000 But it's been, oh, promote my brand. 0.99
02:33:06.000 So, it's, fuck off, you know, if that's the kind of tone. 0.99
02:33:10.000 Two and a half years in the making and now everyone wants to say it's about branding. 1.00
02:33:13.000 Give me a break.
02:33:14.000 So, you're banned.
02:33:15.000 Second account says, was in line for questions, had my AF hat on, had Columbia bugle question ready, had some legit gripers in front of me, only to get overshadowed by wig nets, plants, and so much cringe.
02:33:26.000 We were completely outnumbered here.
02:33:28.000 Sorry to disappoint, guys.
02:33:29.000 Well, that's okay.
02:33:30.000 Not much you could do about it at that point, but thanks for the big super chat.
02:33:35.000 David says, hey Nick, I was raised atheist but now want to become a Christian, particularly a Catholic, but I'm intimidated by all of this even though I feel the urge to submit to God.
02:33:44.000 What do I do?
02:33:45.000 Where do I start?
02:33:46.000 I'd start by going to church.
02:33:48.000 Go to church.
02:33:49.000 And I would start reading the Bible.
02:33:51.000 I think that's the simplest thing.
02:33:53.000 Maybe start talking to a spiritual advisor, maybe a priest, maybe somebody on, I don't know, somebody like classical theist is somebody who comes to mind, you know, somebody, or maybe a Catholic you know, who can help guide you.
02:34:05.000 I think a personal relationship is very important, that you know somebody that's Catholic that knows what they're talking about.
02:34:10.000 I start reading about it, I, you know, look, it's only intimidating until you do it, you know, until you go to church, until you just start reading.
02:34:18.000 the bible or reading a catholic apologist type stuff or talking to somebody that's catholic some kind of advisor but i definitely get a mentor somebody like that involved and then i just uh i just dive right in i admit it is intimidating there's a lot it's a big big subject matter it's complicated it's philosophy it's history it's theology but you know you just got to start i think people are very welcoming as catholics and as christians more broadly
02:34:44.000 No, I don't think I'm quick on the trigger.
02:34:46.000 I don't know who the real one is, but I'll respond to an email I guess.
02:35:04.000 Thanks for the super chat.
02:35:06.000 ASDF says my grandfather fought in Normandy and in the Battle of the Bulge, if alive today, he would politically align more with someone like Nick Fuentes.
02:35:13.000 Why should we chastise heroes like my grandpa as extremists?
02:35:16.000 That's not a bad question.
02:35:19.000 But it looks like that's gonna be our last one.
02:35:20.000 So that's gonna have to do it for us tonight.
02:35:24.000 Sheesh, what a long... What a long evening, long show.
02:35:31.000 Some cringe in the super chat, some cringe obviously in the Q&A, but not the end of the world.
02:35:35.000 We'll have an event at Houston tomorrow.
02:35:37.000 I'll try my best to stream as much of it as possible.
02:35:40.000 I'll see if we can get somebody there to stream it.
02:35:42.000 Maybe Jake Lloyd could go.
02:35:44.000 We'll see about that, but do join us tomorrow on DLive for that stream.
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02:36:13.000 Americanism, not globalism, will be our credo.
02:36:20.000 It's going to be only America first. 0.99
02:36:25.000 America first.
02:36:29.000 The American people will come first once again.
02:36:55.000 America first, America first 0.95