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00:36:02.000With a less-than-amazing outcome in the Groyper Wars.
00:36:08.000For those of us who did not join us on DLive earlier, we just completed streaming.
00:36:14.000The North Carolina State University Culture War event with Charlie Kirk.
00:36:20.000And if you have been watching my Twitter, if you've been watching what people have been saying, the outcome was less than spectacular.
00:36:26.000That's what we'll be talking about tonight.
00:36:28.000We'll be going over what exactly happened.
00:36:30.000We'll go over tactics, questions, a little bit of an autopsy, or diagnostics might be a little bit better, and how we're going to move forward.
00:36:39.000But it's gonna be a good show in spite of, you know, perhaps some demoralization.
00:36:44.000I think we're gonna keep the energy positive, we're gonna keep the vibes good, and we're gonna make it a good night.
00:36:50.000At least you'll enjoy the content, at least there's gonna be a good show and a pretty funny stream for the most part in spite of this, but...
00:37:47.000You can get tickets and please, please, if you're going to that event, if you plan on attending, please watch this show and take what I say seriously.
00:37:56.000You may have to pull an all-nighter, but we're gonna have one more shot, one more shot at Charlie Kirk here to, and I mean that rhetorically, to end things on a high note, one more opportunity to go off on a good note.
00:38:09.000So I hope that if you plan on attending tomorrow, you will watch this show and
00:38:14.000After seeing what happened tonight, you will take it seriously.
00:39:52.000And if you lose one time, then consider it a great war, right?
00:39:56.000If we've had how many battles, over a dozen battles over the last four weeks, and we lost one night, and I hope it doesn't sound like coping, it's not the end of the world.
00:40:05.000So, you know, all this kind of stuff about, well, it's not so bad, or we could ignore it, or whatever.
00:40:10.000I don't think we need to engage in this, I think, given who we are, what we've been doing,
00:40:15.000How little we have used, or how little resources we've used to such great effect, and we've drawn so much blood.
00:40:23.000I think we can honestly say tonight it didn't go as planned, but tomorrow we'll have another event, and the next day we'll have another event, and so on.
00:40:33.000All that said, I don't think it was a huge and total catastrophe.
00:40:36.000You know, I see some people in the live chat during the stream, oh I'm blackmailed again, this is terrible, whatever.
00:40:43.000And I'll admit, it wasn't pretty, it wasn't a fun time after four weeks of Joker dancing and all the rest, but I don't think it was as disastrous as everybody or some people have been saying on the stream.
00:40:53.000You know, and I tweeted out right before the show, it's not even exactly a victory for Charlie Kirk.
00:40:58.000Well, we can say that maybe we took the L.
00:41:01.000I don't think this was exactly a huge victory for Charlie Kirk.
00:41:05.000Certainly he was able to maybe halt our advances.
00:41:29.000I mean, they've tried everything in the book and it took them four weeks to figure out a tactic that was somewhat effective where Charlie Kirk didn't get humiliated at his own event during his own Q&A.
00:41:39.000Now, can we say that's a huge victory?
00:41:41.000In a certain sense, a night like tonight was sorely needed for Charlie Kirk, sorely needed for Turning Point USA.
00:41:49.000Because, how do they explain to their donors, and how do people who support this organization, people inside the organization, how do they explain to themselves or their superiors
00:41:58.000Why a band of, you know, what, a decentralized movement, a band of groipers, a band of internet people, mobilized by me on this show, completely decentralized, completely spontaneous, how we have been able to routinely rout and embarrass these people at their own events, even in spite of all their countermeasures, all their money, all the smears which have been ineffective.
00:42:21.000So, I don't want it to sound a certain way, but
00:42:24.000You know, let's put things in their proper perspective.
00:42:27.000You know, maybe we didn't win tonight, you could say that maybe we lost, but Charlie Kirk surviving a Q&A at his own event after four weeks of brutality, and by the way, I don't think he came out of this looking great himself either, and I'll get to that towards the end.
00:42:40.000It's not like this was an effortless victory on his part, right?
00:42:44.000I mean, there were some good questions by us that I think landed some blows.
00:42:47.000There were moments during this Q&A where we had most of the room chanting in our favor,
00:42:52.000The times that he maybe did score points on us, it was only half the crowd.
00:42:56.000You know, so to get half your own crowd at your own event, at your own turning point event, where you control the microphone, cheering for your ideology after yelling and asking the questioner questions, interrogating, doing all these underhanded things.
00:43:09.000I mean, we can say that we didn't win, but can we really say that Charlie Kirk came out of this looking like
00:43:22.000Tonight, Charlie Kirk was at the North Carolina State University to do what is really a kind of officially one of the final events of his Culture War tour.
00:44:01.000Ohio and Florida yesterday, the tactic by Charlie Kirk has been simply to dismiss the questions.
00:44:07.000And if you've been following this, if you've been watching, last night he tried to fight back a little bit, but generally speaking for the last four weeks, the tactics have been very slow to change on Charlie Kirk's part.
00:44:19.000Of course our tactic, and it is tactics, it is sort of, you know, what does Klauswitz say?
00:44:24.000That war is the extension of politics by other means?
00:44:26.000Kind of corny, like poli-sci, gay stuff, but
00:44:29.000I mean, you understand that there are tactics and strategies and we are thinking about rhetoric and how this is affecting people's perceptions, right?
00:44:37.000And so our tactic has been to show up to these Q&As and the frame is this.
00:44:47.000Inheritors, the real vanguards of what Trump started in 2016, which maybe has been led astray by grifters like Charlie Kirk or people in his administration.
00:44:55.000We're young, we're Christians, we're the real conservatives, and we're simply here to ask our questions.
00:45:00.000You know, that has always been the frame.
00:45:01.000And it's been very successful because we understand that because of the way Charlie Kirk's organization operates, he cannot even discuss the topics we're talking about
00:45:27.000We've been able to get by, I think, without really having a strong idea of, you know, laying out arguments and things like this.
00:45:35.000Because Charlie Kirk has been dismissing and smearing and relying on all these sort of tactics, everything other than engaging the questions, I think we have gotten away, basically.
00:45:44.000We've been allowed maybe to get lazy or complacent with these sort of drive-by shots.
00:45:49.000Which I've been, which you know if you've been watching the Super Chats I've been criticizing these and I don't like to say I told you so.
00:45:55.000I know the people are on the front lines and they're the ones asking the questions and I get that, but this is something I've been saying.
00:46:00.000If you've been watching the show you can't say that I haven't, that we've been getting lazy with these sort of drive-by snipes.
00:46:07.000And they've been effective only because we'll get somebody up there asking a question and Charlie Kirk, because he dismisses it or ignores it or uses some other underhanded way to evade the question, we're able to land these blows without a real engagement with the other side, without actually having to engage in a debate.
00:46:24.000So that's how it's been for four weeks.
00:46:28.000It was a big tactics change on the part of Charlie Kirk.
00:46:31.000As I said, we've been doing these questions and they have tried
00:46:35.000They're best to make it seem like our questions are unserious, or the people asking them are bad people, or just physically trying to prevent people from getting in line to ask them, trying to prevent people from seeing the questions asked by shutting down streams.
00:46:49.000You know, so, like I said, all the tactics up to this point have been just simply evading.
00:46:54.000If they do ask the questions, well, nobody will see them because we're not streaming them.
00:46:57.000If they show up to the event, well, they won't be in line to ask their question because we'll check their IDs and we'll put people in front of them.
00:47:03.000Well, if they do ask a question, we'll just pivot and talk about something else.
00:47:08.000Tonight, Charlie Kirch has simply engaged with them.
00:47:11.000And he engaged with the questions aggressively, some might say in a maybe mean-spirited way, but it was effective.
00:47:19.000And I think we do have to give the Groypers who are there tonight a little bit of... we have to be a little charitable with them tonight because this was the first time that we saw a real break in the strategy.
00:47:28.000Like I said, whereas for the past four weeks it was non-engagement, it was very passive, it was just kind of taking these questions.
00:47:35.000Tonight he gave feedback and he fought back very aggressively.
00:47:45.000I don't think we could say, foul, that's not fair, whatever, because that's the game.
00:47:48.000So I think maybe people showed up to this event tonight and, you know, like I said, the questions, I'll just be straight up about it, they were not good.
00:47:58.000The people delivering them did not deliver them effectively.
00:48:01.000When Charlie Kirk gave them pushback, they were not prepared to respond.
00:48:04.000They were not prepared for counter fire.
00:48:07.000And I will temper that by saying that given what we've seen in the past four weeks, maybe other questioners made it look easy.
00:48:14.000Because it's not an easy thing to confront somebody at their own event when they have the microphone and they're on the stage.
00:48:20.000For a lot of people that aren't familiar with this stuff to begin with, it's easy for me to debate Charlie Kirk because I do extemporaneous political speaking every night.
00:48:28.000And as such, I hear these arguments on a daily basis.
00:48:44.000Now, that's no excuse for not preparing, but I will say that it's a challenging thing.
00:48:48.000People before, I think, made it look easy.
00:48:50.000Charlie Kirk changed his tactics and lashed out very aggressively, very hard.
00:48:54.000And so, in some sense, you could say that some of these Groypers could be forgiven, to an extent, for not totally being ready for what we saw tonight.
00:49:02.000That said, there has to be some culpability.
00:49:04.000You know, there's no glory without the risk.
00:49:16.000And people that are not in the arena, I don't think can countersignal people that are.
00:49:19.000That said, as somebody that is in the arena, I'll say when we show up tomorrow, or show up to these other events for the rest of the week or the next week, we got to do better.
00:49:56.000Maybe this was a little bit of a wake-up call, reality check, and hopefully people will be humbled by this and remember that, again, we really have to be effective here.
00:50:06.000So again, I don't want to totally throw those guys under the bus, but it is just more of a teachable moment.
00:50:10.000So, they were courageous, they stepped up to the plate, but next time we're gonna have to do a little bit better.
00:50:15.000We're gonna have to expect a little bit more.
00:50:16.000And we'll get into all the questions, we'll get into the arguments, some of the trickery and everything.
00:50:21.000I'll say also, some people are saying, well...
00:50:24.000You know, it's one step back, two steps forward kind of a thing.
00:50:33.000You know, the Groyper thing is just getting started.
00:50:34.000So, it's not to say that everything is over, but I would caution against this mentality that we shouldn't take tonight seriously or understand the gravity of it.
00:50:42.000Something to keep in mind is that, again, this is a totally unfair fight.
00:50:46.000And I don't say that as somebody that's complaining.
00:50:48.000I say that as somebody that recognizes the reality of the situation and the kind of attitude that it takes to win.
00:50:54.000In the sense that I'm not saying, oh, it's so unfair and we Charlie Kirk cheated or whatever.
00:51:01.000But it is to say that we can't afford, we cannot absorb the same amount of losses that Turning Point can.
00:51:07.000Turning Point has been losing for four weeks.
00:51:09.000Turning Point has been humiliated at every event that they've done for four weeks, right?
00:51:14.000We've been coming into their events and just eating their lunch, drinking their milkshake, you know?
00:51:18.000And so they can absorb them because they have billionaire donors, they've got everybody in DC in their pocket, right?
00:51:26.000And so to be attacked by us for weeks and weeks and weeks on end, even if their counterattacks aren't effective and so on,
00:51:32.000They can absorb these losses because they have a huge infrastructure advantage, huge donor advantage.
00:51:38.000You know, in a sense, they are playing defense.
00:51:40.000They have a very delicate thing that they're trying to protect, and we can knock it off.
00:51:45.000I mean, we can really disrupt their gravy train, their apple cart, right?
00:52:46.000He came off looking kind of nasty and angry.
00:52:49.000That's not to say that he didn't need this tonight, and because of what's been going on for four weeks, it couldn't be seen as a subjective or a relative win.
00:52:57.000But it is to say that that's really all he needs to do is to meet this very low bar for survival.
00:53:03.000Well, if he stopped the onslaught of the Groypers, he gave, you know, sufficient
00:53:42.000We have to look at what happened tonight and make sure it never happens again.
00:53:45.000We can only afford one or two nights like this before people say, oh, you know, these guys are exactly what all the media is saying they are, which is unserious, and their ideas are bad, and so on.
00:53:55.000And so that's why it's important for me tonight
00:53:57.000To kind of do, I guess it's damage control, I don't like that phrase, but to show you that these arguments are defeatable.
00:54:05.000You know, Charlie Kirk, we've been routing him for four weeks, and even the defense that he put up tonight, it was an ambush.
00:54:11.000He basically staged this whole thing, right?
00:54:14.000In the sense that it's sort of like a ringer, it's like the rope-a-dope, you know?
00:54:18.000He was leaning against the ropes, he was taking all our hits for four weeks, like Muhammad Ali, and then... It's not really a perfect analogy, because George Foreman's much bigger than Muhammad Ali, but, you know, he's been taking hits against the rope, and he's been waiting for us to get lazy, waiting for us to get complacent, perhaps.
00:54:34.000I don't know if this was planned, but this is how it worked out.
00:54:37.000And then once he saw an opening, oh, he came back with a very effective counter.
00:55:08.000But when you look at the way that he argues, this is not somebody who is a master of the facts.
00:55:13.000He's not really in control of the conversation.
00:55:16.000If he were not on the stage holding the microphone and one of his minions was holding the microphone for us,
00:55:21.000I don't think, again, if it was a more symmetrical and equal playing field, there was some reciprocity, I don't think he could really hold his own very effectively.
00:55:30.000But we do have to account for these advantages.
00:55:35.000His arguments tonight were not very compelling.
00:55:37.000If you're really listening and it wasn't just sort of this proxy battle where it's like, cheer for your guy, cheer for our guy, you know, I don't think anybody would really be swayed by these arguments.
00:55:47.000But it's the first time that he's made counter-arguments.
00:55:50.000So tonight I think I'm going to look at some of these questions, we're going to break down the arguments, we're going to break down the tactics later on, and we'll hopefully evolve from this.
00:55:58.000But I hope people are watching the show and they're paying attention.
00:56:01.000And more than anything, I hope if there's gripers coming tomorrow to Houston or if they're going to other events this week or next week,
00:56:09.000I hope you realize that from now on, quality over quantity.
00:56:18.000Now that they're using these counterattacks, we need people that are going to be able to deliver effective blows.
00:56:23.000Like, I'll take that guy yesterday at Florida University, that guy that did the questionaries wearing the yarmulke and the Bernie shirt or whatever.
00:56:53.000We have to do what's best for the team, for the Griper movement, right?
00:56:57.000So moving forward, if you're not, if you think that you're going to choke, if you think that this isn't for you, I don't, I'm not confident that I'm going to be able to get up to the microphone and deliver what I need to say.
00:58:25.000Charlie Kirk launched back with a question of his own, you know, and this is where, this is the first tactical mistake, which is, and I think I said this yesterday very briefly, so you'd be forgiven if you weren't prepared for this, but you have to force him to answer the question.
00:58:56.000So either, if you feel confident enough to engage, engage.
00:59:00.000But if you don't think you're up to the task, then you're gonna have to just say, you know what, I'm here to ask questions and you're here to answer them.
00:59:07.000But at the bare minimum, don't let him pivot.
01:01:41.000I don't want to read into it his motivations.
01:01:43.000You know, maybe you're in the heat of the moment, whatever, but this was the worst thing that you could possibly do.
01:01:48.000You allowed Charlie Kirk first to pivot from the question, and then pivot from the person asking the question, because Charlie Kirk didn't like the back and forth that he was getting.
01:01:57.000He wanted somebody at that microphone to defend Identity Europa.
01:02:01.000He completely controlled the frame, completely misdirected it.
01:02:04.000It went from a guy who said, I'm a father, I'm a Christian, and you're calling me evil, to Charlie Kirk asking the question that he wanted to ask.
01:02:11.000The Q&A is not Charlie Kirk asking Gruyper's questions, it's Gruyper's asking Charlie Kirk questions.
01:02:17.000So it went from, hi, I have a question about, you know, the statement you put out, to Charlie Kirk saying, I want somebody in the line to defend Identity Europa.
01:02:27.000I want to ask somebody in the line who defends Identity Europa.
01:02:30.000And playing into that is the worst thing you could possibly do.
01:02:34.000Reframe the question and you brought somebody forward who's going to defend something very stupid.
01:02:38.000If Charlie Kirk is asking you to step up to the microphone, do not step up to the microphone.
01:02:55.000He's trying to paint everybody in that line, and this is, uh, you know, I guess piggybacking on what Ben Shapiro did last week.
01:03:02.000The tactic is still to smear, the overarching strategy is to smear all of these questioners as alt-right.
01:03:09.000To smear everybody is alt-right, so what is the closest proximity to the alt-right?
01:03:14.000Regrettably, it's Patrick Casey who leads AIM.
01:03:18.000Patrick Casey was, at a time, in Identity Europa.
01:03:20.000Now, that said, Identity Europa doesn't exist anymore.
01:03:23.000But Charlie Kirk's strategy is, well, if I can tie these groipers to this guy who's talking about them, who was in Identity Europa, you know, a year ago, and Identity Europa was connected to people in the alt-right, well, it's like five degrees of separation.
01:03:36.000I can say legitimately, oh, they're just more of the same.
01:03:46.000So when he says, defend Identity Europa, what he's saying is, I want a Groyper to come here and validate my conspiracy theory that everyone here is part of the alt-right.
01:03:56.000Everyone here is part of a hate movement.
01:03:57.000You know, because our job here is not to rehabilitate Identity Europa, our job is to talk about America first.
01:04:03.000If we're talking about the alt-right and Identity Europa, we lose.
01:04:11.000We lose when we talk about, like Grandpa Groyper did David Duke.
01:04:14.000We lose when we talk about, you know, things like that.
01:04:17.000We're winning when we're talking about mass immigration, demographic change, Christian values, dual loyalty, dual allegiance, things like this.
01:05:43.000So even though this was like probably the worst question of the whole thing, I mean, this one, this engagement is the worst of the whole Groyper war.
01:05:51.000Even still, it wasn't as bad as it could have been.
01:07:08.000So bringing up the 1790 Immigration Act, other than to show that Charlie Kirk would call the Founding Fathers white nationalists, is not a useful piece.
01:07:15.000We have to sort of flush out a lot of this, you know, three, four-year-old memetic stuff that doesn't really work in this setting.
01:07:23.000Again, remember, we're concerned about mass immigration.
01:08:27.000Because, and you know, because they have control of the frame on this, he's on the stage, and they have control of the media, that is what they want so bad for us to look like.
01:08:36.000So you just cannot engage with those kinds of questions.
01:08:39.000It also, if anybody actually cares about the truth, if they actually watch the show, we are not alt-right.
01:10:20.000It has not existed, I think, for like nine or ten months.
01:10:23.000When it did exist, they were not neo-nazis.
01:10:26.000This was not how they identified themselves.
01:10:28.000It's not even how the media identified them.
01:10:30.000They were a white identitarian movement, which you might not like, but they're not neo-nazis.
01:10:35.000And lastly, their goal was not to have a neo-nazi takeover of the government.
01:10:39.000So again, we, you as a questioner, do not want to engage in this.
01:10:44.000me as somebody who wants to correct the record here for people to see what a dishonest liar this guy is none of what he said about that is true and nobody in this uh organization we don't even have an organization nobody in our movement none of the groipers identify with that group it doesn't exist so for people that still care about the truth here these arguments are not even correct
01:13:23.000If your voters are white people, you should probably respect them.
01:13:25.000You should probably want to advance their interests in some sense, or at least pretend like they exist, like they have legitimate interests.
01:13:32.000You know, so the argument is totally dishonest.
01:13:34.000Beyond that, he says, well, New Hampshire went for Democrats.
01:13:37.000Well, there you have to draw a little bit of a line, because New Hampshire, we lost by a hair, and I know people.
01:14:01.000It's not really fair to say that New Hampshire was overwhelmingly Democrat.
01:14:04.000That means white people don't vote Republican.
01:14:06.000None of this really makes any sense once you scrutinize it, but I guess somebody gets to the microphone, they lose their frame, they get flustered, and then they don't have an argument.
01:14:15.000And he ended up looking very bad, regrettably.
01:14:18.000We do not want people going there screaming.
01:14:20.000We do not want people going there angry, pissed off.
01:14:48.000Because again it plays into this archetype it plays into the stereotype which they would be all too delighted for us to play into which is of the unhinged fringe lunatic alt-right guy.
01:14:59.000So I know we're we have righteous indignation about what's going on.
01:15:05.000You see I get a little hot on the show but it's a little different when it's when it's a show when you know it's trying to be compelling and it's entertainment and all the rest but
01:15:12.000When you're trying to portray yourself as, I'm an America First student asking a question, wearing a rosary, I'd just like to ask you a few questions.
01:15:19.000The tone should not be a chimp out, it should not be angry, and I'm, you know, whatever.
01:15:24.000The tone should be inquisitive, at the very least it should be dismissive about who Charlie Kirk is and what he's about.
01:15:33.000He said, you know, you have Lady Maga at your events, and you promote homosexuality, transsexuality, and who's to say that you won't be supporting Drag Queen Story Hour in five years?
01:15:43.000This argument is one I used on the show.
01:15:44.000It was really not elaborated well on this question.
01:15:48.000Again, please write your questions, rehearse them.
01:15:52.000I haven't been able to respond to everybody who's been sending emails saying, you know, revise my question, but if you can get Patrick Casey to look over it, if you can get Vince James to look over it, any one of these people, that would be preferable.
01:16:04.000And when you do ask a question, deliver it in a way that is calm, reasonable, you know, you want to be likable, presentable, and moreover, get your facts right.
01:16:12.000This guy said you host Lady Maga at your events.
01:16:15.000Charlie Kirk has never hosted Lady Maga at his events, and so it's little things like this that can delegitimize you.
01:16:21.000If Charlie Kirk can say, oh, well, you're wrong about that, it's sort of like if you get in a flame war on Facebook, in the Facebook comments, and you make a typo.
01:16:38.000Well, it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, but if you get that wrong, already, you know, you've lost the logos, so to speak, right?
01:18:36.000Moreover, a lot of young people are on the side of homosexuals.
01:18:39.000So you have to really hit hard, not so much on...
01:18:42.000Antipathy or the disgust factor for deviancy but on the Christian angle, you know, maybe the way we rework this is not You know Coming off like I have a problem of homosexuals because I don't know if that's a winning issue for this generation I think unfortunately, that's just true
01:18:59.000In that frame, the frame should be, why are Christians who don't like homosexuals or don't like homosexuality being normalized, why are we unwelcome?
01:19:07.000Why did Benny Johnson say that a Christian who is not okay with, you know, homosexual marriage, why did he call him a New Westboro Baptist Church kid?
01:19:30.000But then he went off the goop and he starts going off about the USS Liberty.
01:19:34.000It sounded, again, sort of unhinged, sort of angry.
01:19:37.000We have to be picky about these things because they do matter.
01:19:39.000You know, oh well, what do you have to say to the veterans that survived the USS Liberty?
01:19:45.000And Charlie Kirk said, well, I don't think it was deliberate and blah, blah, blah.
01:19:49.000And this guy kept interrupting Charlie Kirk.
01:19:51.000He came off as, you know, some people, they get to the microphone and it engages their flight or flight response and they go into this weird sort of panic where they're a little agitated, little froggy, so to speak.
01:21:48.000Undermining the credibility of people to support Israel, it works.
01:21:52.000But, you know, talking specifically about a naval incident that happened in 1967, it was a tragedy, it was a horrible atrocity committed by Israel.
01:22:00.000But, you know, understand how outside of that context, it comes across as a fixation on Israel, it comes across as irrelevant, a hang-up, you know, and somebody's just unserious.
01:22:11.000So in the service of a broader argument, it works.
01:22:16.000You know the USS Liberty Veterans Association yeah that's great if you know maybe if you're trying to push that two weeks ago but now it just comes off again as fixation and I told people I didn't say don't ask these questions because they're not relevant I said don't ask them because there's a very specific way they have to be phrased it has to be we have to treat these with great care because it's very delicate you know how much
01:22:37.000You know, how many resources and how much time they've expended trying to make these issues taboo.
01:22:41.000We have to treat them very carefully to make them persuadable and people open to these ideas.
01:22:45.000So you can't come in there with non-arguments.
01:22:48.000You can't come off as obsessed with these things and play into their hands.
01:22:52.000And moreover, if you do, know your stuff.
01:22:54.000This guy comes up and says, well, what about the liberty?
01:23:06.000Okay, well then you shouldn't be asking the question.
01:23:08.000If you don't know what it's about, don't ask the question.
01:23:11.000And to me, this is symptomatic of this attitude, which is, I'm gonna go up, kamikaze, dopamine rush, I'm gonna get the funny, funny mode, everyone's gonna be laughing at me, and I'm gonna get my clip on Twitter or whatever to a thousand likes.
01:23:24.000If you're gonna go and ask a question, you gotta do your research.
01:23:26.000If you're gonna ask about the USS Liberty, number one, don't.
01:23:29.000Number two, if you do, make it part of a much broader attack on the credibility of Zionists, which is the point of it.
01:23:36.000And number three, even if you are gonna do this, please do it right.
01:23:46.000I mean, just this question was a pure disaster.
01:23:49.000And I, you know, maybe the guy, I don't know if he watches my show, but I explicitly said, do not ask if you're gonna, you know, do it right, whatever.
01:23:56.000So I don't know if he watches my show.
01:23:57.000Some people who don't like me have been saying this week, we're going to go and ask questions about Israel, just to spite Nick, who was cucking on this issue.
01:24:49.000We know that after the Civil War, Northern politicians came down to the South.
01:24:53.000And in other words, you know, they changed political outcomes.
01:24:56.000Foreigners came and changed political outcomes to suit their interests.
01:25:00.000He said, this is a tactic that is used.
01:25:02.000Populations are brought in to change politics, right?
01:25:06.000They've imported an electorate or imported a politician.
01:25:09.000He said, so if we recognize this as a tactic, how is this different from immigrants coming into Virginia and North Carolina and all like Hispanic immigrants coming in and changing the government because they vote differently?
01:25:32.000And Charlie Kirk, again, this was the most effective question, and Charlie Kirk totally evaded it when it was a good, specific, well-researched question, well-framed.
01:25:41.000The carpet-bagging angle, I don't know if that was a necessary analogy, but you know what?
01:26:29.000If you give him a tough pitch, we're going to carry on the baseball analogy.
01:26:33.000If you're going to throw a fastball, a curveball his way, something that he cannot hit, well then he's going to throw his arm out and he's going to walk to first base.
01:28:58.000If you're going to say that anybody, any America first, Christian, whatever, engineer, father, worker, who has something to say about Israel that isn't glowingly positive is just a Jew hater.
01:29:07.000I know exactly what you're doing and it's disgusting.
01:29:10.000You know, you have to have some kind of indignation.
01:29:13.000You're appalled at this because, frankly, it is appalling.
01:29:16.000I've seen this all week with me, with Michelle Malkin.
01:29:19.000Some jagoff from The Examiner called Michelle Malkin a Nazi and an anti-Semite because she thinks we shouldn't have F1 visas in the country.
01:29:39.000They're lying about you, they're saying something nasty about you, so that you will be singled out and targeted for destruction by the left and by the establishment.
01:30:15.000We've got to be prepared for all of this.
01:30:17.000The best way to counter these things, as I said from the beginning, is well-written, well-researched, rehearsed questions that are focused, strategic.
01:30:26.000You're asking yourself, why am I asking this?
01:31:38.000It's a disgusting, ridiculous, dishonest smear, but because he insinuates it, it doesn't really register for a lot of people exactly what he's saying.
01:34:03.000I say that for no other reason other than to say these are not insignificant difference.
01:34:07.000People that worship Christ, that are Christians, we have a Christian metaphysics, Christian social values, and somebody that has no moral social values, and somebody that says they spit on the Savior, right?
01:35:23.000And it is a totally malicious thing designed to discredit good people who are Christians, who are America First, that Charlie Kirk is hijacking and interloping on our movement, which is the Trump movement.
01:35:34.000So that's what I have to say about tonight.
01:35:57.000The reason that we've been winning is because people have been taking it seriously.
01:36:01.000They've been smart, they've been prudent, they've been practicing, they've been doing their due diligence, and that's why we've been able to deliver blow after blow against an organization much larger, more well-funded, more organized, and all the rest than we are.
01:37:00.000We can beat cheaters, we can beat people that are dishonest, but the biggest threat right now is that smear.
01:37:06.000Oh, you're just like the rest, we're gonna discredit you with this label, and the only way to push back on that is to call it out for what it is, which is gross, it's wrong, it's disgusting, it's a lie, and show, expose it in front of the whole room.
01:37:18.000You think you're real sneaky, you think you're really smart, really crafty, you think you're gonna get away with it, but I know what you're doing, and what you're doing is wrong, and it's dishonest.
01:38:22.000He didn't get absolutely humiliated at his own event.
01:38:25.000I think there were some embarrassing moments, moments where he didn't look very good.
01:38:29.000If you could call that a victory, you know, congratulations.
01:38:32.000After four weeks, after two dozen events, you have successfully survived not being humiliated at your own events by a bunch of college kids inspired by a guy with a YouTube show.
01:38:42.000You know, that's a huge victory for Charlie Kirk, who's funded by
01:38:45.000Scientologists and Zionists and all these other people, you know, so put it in context, but also learn from it, adapt, be better, be a Groyper, become who you are, right?
01:39:15.000So if you want to be the hero, you want to be the hero of the Grouper movement, the people that snatched victory from the jaws of a speed bump or a small defeat yesterday.
01:39:55.000I'm glad you're entertained at the bare minimum.
01:39:58.000Some says, Wignats... I can't read that, but yeah, Wignats kind of killed it for us tonight.
01:40:04.000ff says for a minute i was legitimately not sure if that unhinged questioner asking about the liberty was patrick little he's probably on his way home now okay i don't want to smear look the people that asked the questions they didn't do a great job but it's tough i think the people that have done this before maybe made it look easy so i don't want to be too hard on those guys they tried maybe i don't know if they tried their best but they tried they stepped into the uh the crossfire they stepped into the kill zone and they didn't get the outcome they wanted
01:40:33.000Uh, so I don't think we should be too hard on them.
01:40:35.000And they're probably fans of the show.
01:43:28.000Okay, now's not a time to say, I told you so, even though I did, it's a time to say, let's just do better tomorrow.
01:43:35.000Royal says, I know this question wouldn't get you a sick clip or tons of Twitter followers, but I really wish someone would have asked Charlie to actually define neo-nazism, would have put him on the defense.
01:43:45.000No, we just don't want to talk about that.
01:43:48.000We don't want to talk about why people are so stupid when it comes to rhetoric, persuasion, framing.
01:43:55.000If you're talking about neo-nazism, you lose.
01:43:58.000It doesn't matter if you're winning or you're losing.
01:46:53.000Romance has ever seen the movie in the company of men It's about a guy literally named Chad and he bullies a deaf woman throughout the film based highly recommend it Okay, Kyle says didn't Kurt just deny a week or so ago He knew who identify you have Rapa was and Ray refused opportunity to debate Patrick.
01:47:13.000Yeah, that is a good point But you know again, we don't want to make it about that
01:48:23.000You know, Mickey Mouse stuff, where everyone's gonna be, oh, you saved the day, they're carrying you, surfing the crowds, that's how it's gonna go.
01:48:31.000You're gonna be a big audience, gonna be quiet, the spotlight's gonna be on you, you're gonna be nervous, your mouth won't get dry, I mean, these are things that happen.
01:48:39.000And you will forget some of the things that you wrote down.
01:48:41.000All that swagger will probably leave you.
01:48:44.000These are the realities of, you know, if you're not used to public speaking.
01:48:47.000So this, I'm gonna go up and I'm gonna say, hey Charlie, I'm gonna own you.
01:48:50.000What's really gonna happen is your fight-or-flight response is gonna kick in.
01:48:53.000You're gonna see, you're gonna be very angsty and not even aware of it.
01:49:00.000And what we need is discipline, self-control, these kinds of things.
01:49:04.000Aren't baby says hello 9-11 department or 9-1-1 department I just saw some pibbles around Cicero Avenue roaming around playing the knockout game what's pibbles is that pitbulls Kyle says the event was very full almost half did not get in yeah I'm told some gripers weren't able to attend so that that's a part of it I guess
01:49:24.000Michael says, I apologize for my fellow Groypers tonight for bad optics.
01:49:28.000Sadly, I couldn't make it to the event.
01:49:30.000Well, it would have been the difference maker, maybe.
01:49:32.000Raul says, I think it would be good to look at this event as an opportunity to further tune our strategy.
01:52:13.000Cloud nine ninjas is the easiest way to counter charlie on demographics is to ask here we go another amazing stellar suggestion charlie do you believe california which went blue shortly after the reagan amnesty can be flipped as goes california so goes the nation oh yeah he'll he'll totally have nothing to respond to maybe just asked really well thought out well researched well framed questions instead of these oh i know here's the easiest way no there are no easy ways there are difficult ways that require a lot of thought about framing
01:52:41.000Well, if we just say this... No, he'll just pivot.
01:54:27.000The carpetbagging question was perfect.
01:54:29.000You had a good sort of preamble to it.
01:54:32.000You know, and then the ultimate setup which is, why would you call it this tactic of, you know, electioneering basically through population replacement?
01:54:40.000A question like that, well set up, with the facts like the guy did yesterday in Florida, is a checkmate.
01:57:42.000Who is pressuring the State Department to shut down the military base that was going to be built in Poland because of the Polish Holocaust laws?
01:57:50.000Was the Israel lobby pushing that, or was that the organized Jewry?
02:01:07.000It was maybe okay the first time, but this, debate, debate this guy, debate this guy, it looks desperate, it looks like we're signaling weakness.
02:01:14.000Debate me is a meme, you know, we don't want that, you know, say, well, watch America First with Nicholas J. We should check out his content.
02:01:21.000I agree, that's a much better, I didn't even think to say that, but that's a much better frame.
02:01:25.000So thanks for the big super chat, great points, really great points.
02:02:01.000The white Cuban, the femoid, the based femoid, you guys did great.
02:02:06.000So, congrats on the question and congrats on the marriage.
02:02:08.000Wow, isn't that amazing that we see over the course of a year?
02:02:12.000people send in a super chat and you know at one time and then a year later they're married and having kids that's what it's all about so so kudos to you guys praying praying for the marriage praying for the fit for the for the child that's very exciting I'm glad for you and thanks for the big super chat
02:02:30.000Yo mama says, hey Nick, you fellow Chicago and Catholic femoid here, your fellow Chicago and Catholic femoid here, I had a nightmare that you married Brittany Venti instead of me.
02:02:40.000Please let me bribe you so that never happens.
02:03:28.000Sorry, gonna have to be Catholic, gonna have to be Italian, gonna be able to cook up some shakadala and beans and some baked mustachioli, and we're gonna have to have some cavadils, you know?
02:03:36.000I look, I'm at a certain point where I'm kind of like a high-profile guy now.
02:06:24.000Flex says, I got a chance to ask my question about demographic shift as a political tool, but the Europa plan had reserved seat for him in VIP.
02:06:32.000Disappointed in my state, but approved my point.
02:09:10.000Our Last Stance's friend of mine goes to North Carolina State, said he got there late and there were 300 people in front of him in the line.
02:10:23.000There was a disappointing outcome, but you know what?
02:10:26.000We can, we can take an L here or there.
02:10:27.000So I'm not, I don't want to be too hard on you.
02:10:29.000I think it takes a lot of guts to step up, takes a lot of guts to get out in front of the microphone and do what you do, but sometimes it doesn't always work out and you know, you do it better next time, I guess.
02:11:44.000And that's all I can say to you for now is you don't understand the plan.
02:11:47.000Either you're not smart enough to get it or you're deliberately ignorant, but we're not going to be brought down by people that are just simply stupid and don't understand what we're trying to do here.
02:11:57.000Irving says, after tonight on the topic of PR disasters for the movement, what are your plans for when Donald Trump inevitably labels us as anti-Semitic?
02:12:05.000Well, I'm not going to engage with that.
02:12:06.000That's very defeatist rhetoric and probably not going to happen.
02:12:56.000Sad Woman says, going forward, Groypers need to run all questions by a couple friends, and those friends need to be brutally honest, willing to say no, that's gay, you're too low IQ, etc.
02:17:04.000and pay lots of money and not save money it's money you know I mean that's a thing it's like I basically be paying so that people could not make fun of me for that well it's not really worth it to me okay you could say what you want but I'm laughing all the way to the bank so yeah I mean people can say that all they want I'm not the sucker all these people making fun of me it's like they're in college they're drowning in debt haha oh you live with your parents like well I'd probably have a lot lot more saved than you do you know
02:17:58.000Nation of Immigrants says, why are we not pushing back when these deceivers dodge and don't answer cues or reroute back to their talking points?
02:18:05.000Why are we missing chances to boo and echo?
02:18:08.000Nick, please emphasize this point more.
02:19:52.000Jay Martz's point out correlation with smear campaign against Stephen Miller by liberals and Kirk against herself for America First policies.
02:20:03.000Bring up the Stephen Miller smear and say how's it any different from what you're doing to Nick Fuentes and the Groikers.
02:20:09.000Alan says Charlie with the animosity that whites receive while still in the majority Do you worry how your children will be received when they were viewed as despised in the minority?
02:20:18.000That's not a bad question But I don't know the red elephant says support Nick and your favorite creators also some good questions at Shapiro event today Yeah, there were some good ones at Shapiro and thanks Vince.
02:21:07.000Don't wanna be sippin' for the bigger E-Celebrity, but... You know, people counter-signal this guy sometimes, and it's like, well, you know, say what you will, but... He do be lookin' kinda fresh, though, so... Very cool!
02:21:17.000Who's, uh, who's T... What's T. Marsh?
02:22:42.000Hit Charles with the fact he supports arming funding and allying with the radical Wahhabis in Saudi Arabia that attacked us on 9-11 and funds ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Al-Shabaab and more only because of Israel?
02:22:59.000But I think that one's gonna go over a lot of people's heads.
02:23:02.000There's too much groundwork to be done there.
02:23:04.000If you have to explain, like, 9-11, Wahhabism, ISIS... If it takes you 20 minutes to introduce people to the idea and the premise of the question, it's probably not effective.
02:25:04.000ASDF says if you quit your job to stalk TPUSA and YAF events because you read two chapters of Culture of Critique, please don't ask any questions.
02:25:12.000Yeah, I think I know what you're getting at.
02:25:15.000Priority One says Nick, I just watched your excellent speech at Iowa State, but I want to recommend you hire security.
02:25:20.000Oh, thanks for the unsolicited advice.
02:25:22.000If you speak publicly again, don't forget a guy tried to tackle Trump at a rally and Milo had his mic taken away by protesters.
02:25:29.000Well, in that case, it didn't really go as planned, but we improvised and there were cops all around, so we ended up being fine.
02:25:35.000But thank you for that really great... I never thought of that.
02:26:26.000It may seem like an obvious point that porn is evil as well as physically and spiritually damaging, but its legality never seemed to be seriously discussed or debated.
02:26:34.000It seems to me, I mean I agree with you.
02:27:42.000Because, you know, maybe I'll just go to Nova Sordo, you know, get my Eucharist and all this, but, you know, the TLM is nice, but, you know, you're not the one that has to drive 45 minutes to downtown Chicago to go to the church, you know?
02:27:55.000we're in traffic and all that but um yeah well then again sunday is not so bad for traffic but sure sure i'll give it a shot i'll give it a try but uh but thanks for the super chat cheese heads is the q a strategy must end with you at a q a session and his own is the only thing that will re-energize uh you need to be at every event trying to get in line here's 15 for a plane ticket get in line groper okay thanks
02:30:59.000Do you see me as some inauthentic guy that's constantly preening about my image or something?
02:31:04.000You know, somebody that, like, if you, if you see the way that I act on live streams, you see the things I do, I'm not constantly preening my brand.
02:31:12.000I'm not tweeting out these, like, hashtags and, you know, like, I don't want to name her, but people like Charlie Kirk where it's obviously all, like, pre-written control tweets.
02:31:23.000The point is, I am a representative, and whatever.
02:31:27.000I did inspire a lot of this stuff, you can't take that away from me.
02:31:31.000America First Optics, where do you think this came from?
02:31:33.000You think this came out of a clear blue sky?
02:31:35.000I'm not going to take credit for the whole thing, because it was people that just came up and asked questions.
02:31:40.000Uh, but clearly there are people who watch my show inspired by this, and whether it's the media saying I'm a representative, or a lot of the people saying I'm a representative, or me saying, you know what, yeah, I am a representative of this.
02:31:52.000Um, the point is to say, as somebody who's the face of the Groypers, or one of the faces, or one of the thought leaders, or cheerleaders, you could even say, whatever hurts your ego the least, or, you know, doesn't harm the paranoia about branding, or whatever, whatever you want to say,
02:32:08.000Pointing out that they won't debate me is telling, because it says, you know, you'll debate all these other people based on their ideas, but here's somebody who's obviously influential, obviously, you know, in some sense, inspiring this inquiry by young people.
02:33:15.000Second account says, was in line for questions, had my AF hat on, had Columbia bugle question ready, had some legit gripers in front of me, only to get overshadowed by wig nets, plants, and so much cringe.
02:33:30.000Not much you could do about it at that point, but thanks for the big super chat.
02:33:35.000David says, hey Nick, I was raised atheist but now want to become a Christian, particularly a Catholic, but I'm intimidated by all of this even though I feel the urge to submit to God.
02:33:53.000Maybe start talking to a spiritual advisor, maybe a priest, maybe somebody on, I don't know, somebody like classical theist is somebody who comes to mind, you know, somebody, or maybe a Catholic you know, who can help guide you.
02:34:05.000I think a personal relationship is very important, that you know somebody that's Catholic that knows what they're talking about.
02:34:10.000I start reading about it, I, you know, look, it's only intimidating until you do it, you know, until you go to church, until you just start reading.
02:34:18.000the bible or reading a catholic apologist type stuff or talking to somebody that's catholic some kind of advisor but i definitely get a mentor somebody like that involved and then i just uh i just dive right in i admit it is intimidating there's a lot it's a big big subject matter it's complicated it's philosophy it's history it's theology but you know you just got to start i think people are very welcoming as catholics and as christians more broadly
02:34:44.000No, I don't think I'm quick on the trigger.
02:34:46.000I don't know who the real one is, but I'll respond to an email I guess.
02:35:06.000ASDF says my grandfather fought in Normandy and in the Battle of the Bulge, if alive today, he would politically align more with someone like Nick Fuentes.
02:35:13.000Why should we chastise heroes like my grandpa as extremists?
02:35:44.000We'll see about that, but do join us tomorrow on DLive for that stream.
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