00:02:00.000I got to say, my mom, Mama Fuente, she hooked me up with a pumpkin, hooked me up with some decorations here, some candy, and this little tool, this little guy that we're going to be using to carve up our pumpkin.
00:02:13.000So, I guess we'll start taking some calls now.
00:06:59.000But, like, a big thing you talk about is, like, degeneracy.
00:07:04.000And, like, in a good, I guess, like, a good example is you were talking to, what's his name, Party Goy the other day about, like, fraternities on his Twitch stream.
00:07:14.000And being a fellow fraternity member myself, so I obviously have a little bit of bias, but I don't think it would be optic cucking.
00:07:23.000It's not even so much optic, but I guess your core principles, cucking on your core principles to incorporate people who may not be as pure as you, as pure of a Catholic as you.
00:07:40.000Do you think that it might be hurtful to the brand in general to have such a.
00:07:47.000What's like the right word I'm looking for here?
00:07:50.000Such a stringent policy on degeneracy?
00:07:56.000Well, you know, on Party Goy's live stream, for people that are not aware, I was on Party Goy's Twitch stream on Saturday evening, and we were talking about how fraternities are degenerate.
00:08:08.000Whoops, got a pumpkin seat on my pants there.
00:08:11.000And I only said that for me, it's my personal opinion.
00:08:15.000I'm not wild about fraternities, I'm not wild about the activities that go on there.
00:08:20.000You know, I understand the reasoning that it's implicitly white, it's like one of the last spaces for men.
00:08:28.000You know, one of the last male, like brotherhood type spaces.
00:08:32.000So I get that aspect of it, but the sex, the drugs, the alcohol, not so thrilled about that part.
00:08:39.000With regards to the fraternity in our larger movement, I want to say that I wouldn't say that people can't be in our movement if they're in a fraternity.
00:08:49.000Like, I'm not against people being alt right or whatever if they're in a fraternity.
00:09:19.000I guess halfway, it was more about just, it has more to do with like general people and like they'd probably be turned off a little bit to how, I guess, of like a moral code you have on like degeneracy, especially, I guess, like sexual degeneracy.
00:09:56.000You know, for our political movement, I think you have to separate like the political movement from like my personal feelings about these things.
00:10:07.000Abstain from that kind of thing, and that's my personal choice to live that way.
00:10:12.000But, you know, if you want to be an activist or you want to get involved with this movement, I don't think it has to be like right now I'm a talk show host, basically, right?
00:10:26.000Once I open up and become like a political activist, which is happening very soon, by the way, we're talking to people across the country, hooking up with my contacts from DC and other places, and You know, we're getting on the move with that.
00:10:42.000Once we become more political, I think we'll talk a lot less about that kind of stuff.
00:10:47.000And moreover, like, the degeneracy I'm talking about, I'm not saying, like, don't have sex until you're married.
00:12:57.000Because, I mean, how far do you go back?
00:12:59.000Like, one of my favorite memories I was just thinking about was like my last really like festive Halloween, my sophomore year of high school.
00:13:15.000I guess my favorite might have been we did a scavenger hunt in fifth grade, I want to say, with all my elementary school friends, all the neighborhood kids.
00:13:25.000My mom, bless her heart, Back in the day, she always used to go all out for Halloween.
00:16:05.000I just came up with a little bit of a final to end the year activism plan, and we're going to do some good stuff the rest of the year with Identity Europa.
00:16:16.000And then we also have our legal case going on, so I wanted to make sure you guys knew about that as well.
00:16:23.000So, right now, me and Nathan have been sued.
00:16:30.000So, we have a legal defense fund set up to fight that suit, get a countersuit going so that we can recoup our legal costs and then kind of go on the offensive here.
00:16:41.000Next stage was moving us into activism, and now it's going to be lawfare, I think.
00:16:51.000I mean, they're basically suing us, saying that we.
00:16:53.000Premeditated kind of what happened there when we all know that it was the police and the local government who kind of conspired to make August 12th Charlottesville Unite the Right rally kind of what happened, if that makes sense.
00:17:10.000Yeah, I mean, it's using a lot of really weak kind of arguments.
00:17:13.000I mean, our lawyers are confident that we'll be able to beat it, so we're just taking it one step at a time.
00:17:19.000Unfortunately, we're asking for quite a large sum of money.
00:17:20.000We're asking for 100K, but the leftover money from this war chest is going to be.
00:17:27.000Basically, an alt right war chest as far as legal defense goes.
00:17:31.000So, this isn't going to be the last case we get into, not just as IE, but as a movement as a whole.
00:17:37.000So, if you want to donate, go over and check out Identity Europe's Patreon, or you can send the money directly to the Marketplace for the Freedom of Ideas.
00:17:48.000That's Kyle Bristol's organization, and they're doing pretty good.
00:18:58.000You're doing great work, I think, bringing our message to the normies and all that.
00:19:03.000I'm also a traditionalist Catholic, and I had a question for you because I spend a lot of time talking to people about politics who are Catholics, traditionalists, and a lot of the times you will find that even when you try to appeal to them on that normie level, that they'll just be very, I don't know, very resistant to these ideas.
00:19:25.000They'll just think that there's something wrong with, I don't know, being proud of your own race, trying to protect it.
00:19:32.000I was wondering what advice you would have to people trying to appeal to.
00:20:03.000I actually haven't really come across that problem because most of the religious people that reach out to me are the traditionalists and not just happen to be Catholics, so they're going to the Vatican II, English masses, and things like that.
00:20:23.000I think that's the strongest appeal, and that's kind of why the globalists have gone after the family and gone after religion.
00:20:30.000Because if you think about it from a Roman Catholic point of view, illegal immigration, Islam, terrorism, all these things are going to threaten the most important thing in the Bible, in the Catholic or Christian faith, which is your kids, which is protecting your wife, your kids, your family.
00:20:50.000So, I guess I would stress it from a safety point of view.
00:20:53.000Beyond that, I don't think it is necessarily contradictory that you value your race, but you're also a Catholic.
00:21:01.000There is this universalist strain that goes through Christianity where they have this, at once, it's a charitable vision in terms of America's wealth that we need to share it.
00:21:11.000On the other hand, they say race doesn't exist because we're a community of believers.
00:21:15.000So it's more of a moral egalitarianism, and in addition to that, economic egalitarianism.
00:21:22.000I guess the argument against that would be that.
00:21:25.000The best way we can help other people is by helping them where they are.
00:21:28.000You know, I think once you illustrate to people how immigration is not going to lift the people of the world out of poverty, in terms of like we couldn't let in all the poor people, not even close to it, we couldn't even make a dent in poverty by letting people in, then I think people start to see why practically that is not the best way if we want to help these people.
00:22:20.000I'm in the United States currently, but what I wanted to ask you about is your opinion on the disparity in funding between the Appalachians and The inner cities.
00:22:40.000Well, yeah, that's a good question, actually.
00:22:42.000I read a book about Lyndon Johnson, a biography by Robert Caro, very famous.
00:22:48.000It's one of the greatest biographies of all time, in my opinion, called The Johnson Years, and the first one is called The Path to Power.
00:22:55.000And in it, they talk about just the grinding poverty of rural, central, and western Texas.
00:23:02.000In the 1900s, how these people didn't even have electricity until like the 1930s or 1940s.
00:23:09.000And yeah, so reading that, I really got an idea of just how poor these rural places are, and particularly in Appalachia.
00:23:17.000You talk about things like the Tennessee Valley Authority, and you look at what's been going on in West Virginia, places like that, the grinding poverty for whites.
00:23:25.000And it is a scandal that no money goes to those places.
00:23:32.000And we're spending more on making the commute shorter for people in New York City than we are for basic public services for people in the mountains, you know, in the South and in the Mid Atlantic.
00:23:50.000I think that you pour money into impoverished schools for black people, and it's ripping off poor white people in all of these states who would do far better with that funding than they would.
00:24:05.000They'd use it effectively, whereas it's just thrown down the drain currently.
00:25:05.000We throw all of the smart people into universities, and they tend to congregate around the city, and then that kind of generates an effect on, you know, breeding intelligent people because we know that intelligence is kind of linked to.
00:25:22.000So I wanted to see maybe if you had an idea on this.
00:25:24.000I'm kind of trying to figure it out myself.
00:25:26.000I'm kind of writing a paper right now on it.
00:25:28.000So I don't know if you have anything to say, go ahead.
00:25:31.000No, that's something that Charles Murray talks a lot about in Coming Apart, I believe, about how you're right, in the past 50 years, now that when you had all the smart people going to university, what tends to happen for the viewers who are uninitiated on this subject, what tends to happen is whereas before, You might have a high IQ person in a small town.
00:25:55.000They would marry lower IQ people because they'd stay in the same town, they'd stay in the same business, they'd stay in the same industry, et cetera, et cetera.
00:26:04.000In the advent of urban America, the urbanization of America, what you see is all the smart people marry other smart people in cities or in universities, rather.
00:26:14.000And then once they get married, they move in the cities.
00:26:16.000And as a result, all the economic activity, all the high IQ people move to the cities, and you have essentially a brain drain.
00:26:37.000In terms of reform, I think it's more of a cultural thing than anything.
00:26:42.000Because the chief problem is that lack of mobility.
00:26:45.000When you have all the high IQ people being stratified, and that's a good word that you use, stratification, when you have all the high IQ people being stratified and going to certain areas, you don't have that.
00:27:07.000I think you would get more ideas for that once you change the culture.
00:27:11.000But I think the cultural thing needs to change first, which is to say that you have people staying in their hometowns.
00:27:17.000If people are getting married younger, if people were staying in their towns where they grew up, if there was a higher emphasis placed on family and things like that.
00:27:27.000I think you would see more of that mobility and less stratification.
00:27:33.000It's difficult for people to sort of wrap their heads around now because you think, well, all the jobs are in the city, all the jobs are in the urban areas, in the urban states.
00:27:44.000So it's difficult, but I think that it starts with talking about that problem, and nobody talks about it yet.
00:30:05.000What was it exactly that he did this afternoon?
00:30:09.000He put Martin Luther on a stamp and he said, like, Pope Francis is a witness to the gospel because it's the 500th anniversary of the Reformation.
00:31:02.000Just when you think he couldn't get any lower with this stuff, he surprises you with a Halloween proclamation about the Protestant Reformation.
00:31:47.000I'm glad I can be a little bit relatable because I see, you know, a lot of people in the alt right, as much as you might like some of these guys like Spencer or Jared Taylor, and I'm fans of their content as well, you're right.
00:31:57.000There is like this, you didn't say this.
00:33:16.000And yeah, I have talked about Agenda 21 before.
00:33:20.000For those that don't know, Agenda 21 was a UN plan in, I believe, 1991.
00:33:27.000And George H.W. Bush was very instrumental in this.
00:33:31.000You know, this was like the New World Order government that emerged from the Cold War in the West.
00:33:36.000And what Agenda 21 seeks to do is essentially to abolish private property.
00:33:40.000Agenda 21 essentially exists to get people in the United States in particular, but all over the Western world, to give up their land, sell it to the federal government.
00:33:54.000And what they hope to accomplish then, once people are in cities, is basically to control every aspect of their lives.
00:34:00.000They have something called sustainable development, whereby they get people to move off their lands using environmental regulations, using all kinds of sustainability restrictions and commissions and committees.
00:34:11.000And there's this organization called ICLEI, which communicates with local governments to get them to implement these sustainability measures, which is actually designed to be anti.
00:34:22.000Civilization, anti human settlement, and get people into the cities.
00:34:26.000And the reason for doing that is then the government controls everything.
00:34:30.000You know, once people are in the big cities, guess what?
00:34:33.000The government can see everything with their cameras, the government can monitor everything.
00:34:38.000You go on public transportation, you're dependent on the government basically for everything.
00:34:42.000You think of rural America, you're a sovereign.
00:34:45.000You have your own homestead, you have your own land, you live off the land.
00:34:57.000These supranational institutions like the United Nations, like the ICLEI, the IPCC, which is the International Panel on Climate Change, and institutions like this.
00:35:07.000So, I don't know if we should leave the UN, but we should definitely recognize, I think, that they do not have our best interests at heart, and we should reduce all involvement with them in the future.
00:35:37.000And as far as our, you know, how we build our towns and everything in urban development, I think we got to encourage more small businesses and everything, get away from the big box stores and the fast food chains and all that and sort of make America more unique because everything started to look the same.
00:37:05.000And I just want to say, I think that goes back to what you and James said about making politics.
00:37:10.000Local because one of the reasons big boxes have been taken over is that a lot of corporations are lobbying for more equal access to neighborhoods as the local residents.
00:37:25.000And if you started taking over politics as being local, that could bring back some of the flavor of different cities and whatnot.
00:37:58.000So, you know, all these people, these alt riders, they get like political theory in their head, they get political philosophy in their head, but they don't know politics.
00:38:08.000They don't know like statecraft, they don't know the machinery of it.
00:38:12.000And so you have people like Spencer, you have people that are ideas guys.
00:38:20.000And unfortunately, the problem is that you don't affect change just by talking about ideas.
00:38:26.000You don't affect change just by producing your written content, your long form written content.
00:38:33.000You don't affect change with a podcast.
00:38:34.000And I know that sounds hypocritical right now.
00:38:37.000You don't affect change just saying what you believe online, basically.
00:38:41.000You need to have political infrastructure, and all that stuff starts.
00:38:45.000With, like you said, boring county boards, boring village commissions, boring zoning law stuff.
00:38:52.000And so we really need this intellectual vanguard to give birth to a real political movement.
00:38:58.000The vanguard people are getting greedy, and they want essentially to have this national revolutionary force, very LARP y, not really very sensible.
00:39:08.000And they need to, in my opinion, allow a serious political movement to come forward on the ground at the grassroots level and affect change.
00:39:16.000And that's what me and James are trying to do.
00:39:32.000But when I left college, part of my major was law and society.
00:39:37.000And bashing multiculturalism, talking bad about affirmative action, you couldn't even remotely do it.
00:39:47.000So I think I messaged you once I admire Gen Z and everything.
00:39:52.000And just what they've been able to say compared to when I was in college, how they're bashing stuff like multiculturalism and all these bad policies that are destroying communities and whatnot.
00:40:32.000You know, people all the time, they tell me, like, you know, you're young, you haven't been doing this for a long time, you don't get it, but.
00:40:40.000I do get because I read and I see how far we've come as a movement.
00:40:44.000I mean, people got to think even in terms of before Donald Trump, people got to think even in terms of like 2014, the things that you were not allowed to say, the things that you would get killed for saying.
00:40:56.000I mean, we can't take all this progress that we've had toward getting like a right wing insurgency in this country and throw it all away because like it's not explicitly pro Hitler, it's not explicitly like white supremacy, white supremist, you know?
00:43:14.000And people, like, they hear social trust, they hear about homogeneity, and that's kind of an abstract thing.
00:43:20.000They don't really think about that, what that means for them in a practical sense, but it means.
00:43:26.000Like your most cherished traditions, the most cherished community events and rituals that you have go away when you don't have community, when you don't have homogeneity.
00:43:37.000So, Halloween's a perfect time to remind people you're not going to be trick or treating in 50 years when you're living in a favela.
00:43:44.000You're not going to be trick or treating.
00:43:45.000You're not going to have whatever little community festivals you have.
00:56:02.000I think it's reasonable that if you're sober, you know, in high school, if you're not, or at least if you're not going crazy with the drinking and the partying, most of the time you can just handle your judgment.
00:56:10.000I just say, um, You just got to be on patrol.
00:56:14.000It just takes a certain amount of discipline.
00:56:17.000I'm not going to tell you there's a one stop shop to keeping the thoughts away from you.
00:56:21.000And trust me, I mean, if you see me, I sometimes have difficulty with this in the right crowds when there are people that agree with my politics.
00:56:30.000But you just have to have the discipline.
00:56:31.000Just have to have belief in the cause and, you know, just find the right person.
00:56:36.000You know, find someone that's not a total degenerate and should be easy enough.
00:57:34.000But every time you feel like hooking up with some kind of degenerate or something, just go to the gym, pump out some sets, and I think that should take care of it.
01:00:40.000And that's, damn it, these headphones keep falling out.
01:00:44.000It's the last, uh, Line of defense against government, globalism, and even invaders.
01:00:52.000You know, if you have a country that's violent and it's full of third worlders, increasingly you're going to need guns.
01:00:58.000However, I have never been a big gun guy for the simple reason that guns will be insufficient for making our country what it needs to be.
01:01:07.000Like, I think it's far more important, for example, that we have Hollywood that isn't posed, that we have teachers that haven't gone to Marxist indoctrination camp in university.
01:01:20.000You know, little things like, or rather, not little things, but things that conservatives don't talk too much about, I think are far more important for the maintenance of liberty, of liberty, liberty, sovereignty, and tradition in America than firearms.
01:01:34.000Of course, firearms are necessary, and ultimately they will be the last guarantor of personal freedom.
01:01:40.000But, you know, I think that it should be treated as the last line.
01:01:44.000You know, we should take care of some of these other things first.
01:04:37.000I don't know if this is interfering with the audio, but he's really setting the standard in terms of conservative writing, or he was for a long time when he was writing.
01:04:56.000I've fallen out of favor with the neoliberal type thinking that he championed, so that's why I'm not a huge fan, not as big of a fan as I once was.
01:05:06.000But I still respect the hell out of him and I still like him a lot.
01:05:10.000One of the things that I really like is that, you know, the things he asserts always kind of the time when time passes, he's proven more and more right.
01:05:22.000Like with the wage gap, that's a classic one.
01:05:26.000And I think one moment that kind of stuck with me was back in like August of this year when he this is about affirmative action, by the way.
01:05:39.000In Hollywood, about the film Deadpool 2.
01:05:42.000When the character Domino was replaced with a black woman, they needed a stand in to be a believable black woman, and they picked some girl that didn't have, you know, that never did stunts before, and on the first live take, she died.
01:06:00.000And so that was kind of like my real red pill moment, and I ended up getting introduced to your channel from James Alsop, and you know.
01:06:15.000I mean, it kind of says a lot, you know, and especially with a tragedy like that, you know, those things really bring it home for people.
01:06:23.000Most red pill stories I hear are when, like, what's happening in the country directly affects people.
01:06:29.000Like, it's very convenient for you to be, like, a progressive or a basic bitch conservative when nothing happens to you, you know, and you're basically insulated when you live in an all white community and nothing really goes on.
01:06:42.000But when people go to college and they see it and they feel it firsthand, that's when I hear people get rat-billed.
01:08:56.000I think you have to have the audio on your computer for it to work, I think, because I keep getting people and they're saying there's a delay.
01:09:06.000I think it's because they think that the audio on the YouTube video will be sufficient.
01:10:26.000Like, if you drink whole milk, I think there's more stuff in there.
01:10:29.000So, I think if you're going to drink milk, the purpose is to get all that, the good stuff out of there, you know, to get the carbs, the fat, the protein.
01:12:22.000I wanted to bring one quick thing up, and I think probably a lot of your listeners are in this same position, but.
01:12:31.000Gavin and Milo had an interview that came out, I think, last Monday or something like that.
01:12:37.000And about three, four months ago, I probably would have been really pumped about that, thinking it was like a really premium piece of content.
01:12:47.000But now, after getting further into the alt right and getting refreshing views from guys like you, it's like you really realize that they're not serious at all.
01:13:01.000I want to ask everyone to see if we can get Gavin McInnes to say Bugman on his show because I don't think he's allowed to.
01:15:04.000We actually, my wife and I went to the Charlottesville rally, and we were wondering if you saw that as a win or a loss for the alt right, because it seemed we kind of got shot down and no ability to have free speech.
01:15:39.000Strategically, it might have been beneficial, however.
01:15:42.000It was a loss because we got kicked off of the internet, we got kicked off of Twitter, we got kicked off of all the major social media places, we got kicked off of the internet in terms of Daily Stormer got removed.
01:15:56.000A lot of people took a few steps back as a result of Charlottesville.
01:16:03.000I know Matt, millennial Matt, had a credible threat against his life where he lived.
01:16:09.000So a lot of people took two steps back, and that would have been worth it if there was a goal in mind, if we did that for a reason, if there was some strategic benefit.
01:16:20.000I didn't see the dial move one way or the other on any issue, on any legislation, on any policy, on membership for organizations.
01:16:29.000I think Identity Europa might have gained more members, but nothing like spectacular.
01:16:33.000So for that reason, I think overall it was a failure.
01:16:36.000However, there is a strategic benefit because Charlottesville ignited the conversation in the alt right about activism, about how we move forward.
01:16:46.000I think if we learned one thing from Charlottesville, which is we need clearly identifiable objectives and we need better optics, it would have been worth it.
01:16:54.000It would have been beneficial in that sense.
01:18:23.000It got in a couple articles, but I was wondering do you think that tying, like, you know, doing activism like that the day after the White Lives Matter rally was a positive or a negative?
01:18:36.000Because the fear is that our activism might have been tied to White Lives Matter and some of the media view.
01:18:43.000Well, I mean, that's kind of the issue.
01:18:44.000That's kind of the core of the issue is that it made a lot of activism and our movement and a lot of our people toxic if you're associated with that kind of thing.
01:18:54.000So, I mean, that kind of speaks to how unfortunate that rally was.
01:18:58.000I am just personally against rallies in general at this moment.
01:19:03.000You know, I think if you have good optics, I'm ambivalent about it.
01:19:07.000Like, it sounds like if it was a kind of a religious thing, if it wasn't like the Ku Klux Klan there, I'm basically ambivalent about that kind of a rally.
01:19:16.000But just more broadly, My issue with rallies and IRL activism, as people call it, is what do people hope to achieve?
01:19:24.000You know, if you have a goal in mind, you know, bless your heart, go for it.
01:19:29.000But everybody who I ask who's involved with this activism, you know, I had Mike Enoch.
01:19:33.000I was DMing him on Twitter over the weekend.
01:19:36.000And I said, here's a serious question for you What do you hope to achieve?
01:19:40.000How do we get from point A to point B?
01:19:42.000And he said, well, our goal is to raise white consciousness.
01:19:49.000If you're going out on the ground and you're going to risk life and limb and career and everything else, you better have a reason for why you're doing it.
01:20:19.000Once we have better numbers, once we have You know, more infrastructure, I think it'll change.
01:20:25.000But right now, until we can get a coherent message, until we can get a larger organization, until we can, you know, get the organizational elements more competent, I would just say steer clear altogether.
01:20:37.000But I appreciate what you're trying to do.
01:20:39.000I appreciate what people try to do when they do the rallies.
01:21:07.000Your commentary has kind of been like some of the most kind of surprising and fulfilling kind of commentary on the alt right since Charlottesville, I'd say.
01:21:17.000I've been listening to the show and these other various shows have been around for a while, but right after Charlottesville, your content kind of started kind of red pilling me to some sort of self.
01:21:28.000Reflection on the alt right and sort of its role and the goals and stuff like that.
01:21:32.000And I kind of am wondering if you've gotten any influence from Andrew Englund because a lot of the points that you've been making seem very similar to the points that he's been making about activism and how we need to have goals and how we need to dress up and the American nationalism, the Christianity.
01:21:47.000I was wondering if you have read any of his stuff or if you're influenced by him or.
01:22:17.000Because that was the first commentary I really read about that subject.
01:22:21.000And that was the first time I really started to reflect on, like you said, that self reflection on what we were trying to do with our movement, what we were trying to do with our activism.
01:22:38.000But it did just get me thinking about how it got me thinking in terms of politics and less in terms of ideology, which I think is an important leap to make.
01:22:48.000So, yeah, he was definitely influential in getting over there.
01:25:52.000And on the book list question, yeah, if people have read all the books in the book list and you're being honest, okay, and you read all 10 of them, I'll put out a new one, okay?
01:26:05.000And thank you for the shekels, Roscoe, or Sharia LaBeouf, rather.
01:26:09.000We got Jacob Seals, Howard Morton again, Cool Apple, and some more Simon Skola, some Halderson, LC 1707, Peter Strzomczyk, Emperor's Finest.
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