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00:00:31.000In the end, he found a girl to share his life.
00:00:34.000Let his guard down, it was love's surprise.
00:03:14.000If I saw you in the morning, then I'd walk around the dark side of a friendly conversation on the moon, but I don't want you in the morning.
00:03:34.000Take a piece of what you came for and be careful on the
00:12:45.000I went to the store, cause I was out of coffee, and I got new coffee, and I looked at the bag, and I was gonna get the thing I usually get, but the bag said cinnamon, cinnamon something, and I was like, oh that sounds good.
00:13:02.000But you know what, now the coffee itself tastes like cinnamon, it tastes weird.
00:13:38.000I need someone to go to the store for me.
00:13:42.000And usually I push back against this kind of stuff.
00:13:45.000You know, you see these memes on social media where it's like, oh, without women, men don't know how to take care of themselves.
00:13:53.000Oh, if I didn't have my wife, I'd just be in a dumpster somewhere.
00:13:56.000If I didn't have my girlfriend, I don't know, I guess I'd be in a sewer.
00:13:59.000I'd be floating down a sewer somewhere.
00:14:03.000And I usually push back and say, get a grip, man.
00:14:08.000Of course men can do stuff but there is some truth to that you know because I go to the store and I have like no food in my fridge in my pantry and if I go to the store I'll just get like one bag of chips and think oh that's enough like I'm like oh I should probably get some food while I'm at the store usually I go to the store I get water coffee pop
00:14:36.000and whatever else you know light bulb but I'll say I think I'll get some food this time too and I'll get like literally I'll get a box of Cheez-Its and then I eat it in a day and I'm like where's all the food I get a bag of ruffles one bag of ruffles and eat the whole thing in two sittings so you know women women know what to shop for I feel like women women fill the house they know just what to get not that I know
00:20:21.000But it's not like we pulled this guy off the street and said, hey, take a bunch of map quizzes and tell us your opinion about the Middle East.
00:20:28.000He's a political livestreamer for 10 years!
00:20:32.000So I wanted to take the quiz to see what I get.
00:21:21.000It's been a long time since I've done one.
00:21:23.000It's probably been, I don't know, three years, but... When I was in high school and I was in study hall, I had study hall at the end of the day every day.
00:21:32.000I would race to the computer, because there were only three computers in study hall, and I would just do math quizzes the entire time.
00:21:40.000I would memorize... I memorized all the presidents, I memorized all the... all the countries, all the capitals,
00:21:48.000Maybe he was a different kind of autist.
00:44:03.000That must be just with those disputed ones, right?
00:44:07.000It's got Artsak, Aruba, this one, what else does it have?
00:44:17.000Cayman Islands, it's got Cook Islands, it's got Curacao, which is Dutch, it's got, but it's in the Caribbean, it's got Guadalupe, what else?
00:55:10.000Holocaust denier Nick Fuentes celebrates viewership on Rumble ahead of the platform stirred GOP debate, which I will be streaming tonight So come back here tonight And like seven or eight whatever the fuck this thing starts.
00:55:22.000I'll be streaming it By Jack Wheatley, who's this?
00:57:04.000It says, between vile anti-Semitic statements...
00:57:07.000White nationalist, influencer, and Holocaust denier Nick Fuentes has been celebrating his viewership on Rumble.
00:57:14.000While Fuentes is a constant source of extreme hatred and bigotry, his comments are especially disturbing as incidents of anti-Semitism have increased around the world.
00:57:26.000In addition to Rumble, NBC News will partner with the Republican Jewish Coalition to host the third GOP presidential debate.
00:57:35.000Fuentes streams live on Rumble multiple times per week, usually for well over an hour at a time.
00:57:42.000Since the outbreak of violence in Israel and Gaza, he's been using the opportunity to double down on his anti-Semitic and white nationalist rhetoric.
00:59:02.000A week prior, Fuentes claimed that those who have lost their jobs for supporting Palestine proved the validity of his attacks against Jewish people and summarized his anti-Semitic views.
00:59:12.000Why do the Zionist Jews have so much power in Western countries?
00:59:17.000I guess that means Nick Fuentes was right, and it isn't Klaus Schwab, it's the Zionists, it's the Jews, it's organized Jewry.
00:59:26.000He continued warning against what he described as a lot of Jews that are sneaking into the dissonant conversation because they want to control all opposition and argued that Jewish people are co-opting racism to be used against Palestinians, but he claimed we're more anti-Semitic than we're racist.
00:59:42.000Having previously served as an advisor to rapper Ye's 2024 presidential campaign, he complained they did the same thing last year with Ye when Ye was out there saying, I love Hitler, Jews control the media.
00:59:55.000Fuentes continued claiming based right-wing Jews attacked the rapper and had questioned, since when do we start supporting black guys?
01:00:01.000He quickly followed up when they started saying they love Hitler about right then.
01:00:07.000Despite his extensive use of the site, Fuentes has a strained relationship with Rumble.
01:00:12.000By the way, am I on the front page or what?
01:00:14.000If I'm not on the front page, I swear I'm gonna be
01:05:05.000This is a war that is alienating Israel from the entire world.
01:05:10.000And specifically in the West, in Europe and in the United States.
01:05:16.000And this is maybe the first time where because of Elon Musk's acquisition of Twitter, which is now called X,
01:05:25.000The Zionists are losing the narrative war on social media, and even many American conservatives are questioning the Zionist narrative and the Zionist position, and even, perhaps, the Zionist influence over the United States government.
01:06:21.000It's not just Israel's most significant offensive in Gaza, perhaps ever.
01:06:30.000And it's not just a moment where Saudi Arabia and Iran are being pushed back together after I don't know how long.
01:06:39.000It's been seven years since they ended formal ties.
01:06:44.000And it's not just about the fact that the whole world is calling for a ceasefire and that the American conservatives are challenging the Zionist narrative, but it's also about
01:07:36.000Superpower, hyperpower status, and really was the only pole of power in the world.
01:07:44.000No other country on Earth was even capable of projecting power on a global scale.
01:07:52.000No other country had the means, economically or militarily, or even some would say culturally, to project force intercontinentally.
01:08:03.000Europe couldn't do it because they had still been devastated from World War II and under the sovereignty of the United States since the Cold War.
01:08:10.000Russia couldn't do it because of the collapse of the Soviet Union.
01:08:13.000China couldn't do it because of their economic weakness.
01:08:17.000And the rest of the country is a third world.
01:08:54.000I think he's elected in, what, 99 or 2000?
01:08:59.000And Putin oversees the revitalization of the Russian Federation.
01:09:08.000He's able to secure Chechnya, he builds their economy back, he's able to project power in the Syrian civil war, in the war in Georgia in 2008, seizes Crimea in 2014.
01:09:21.000China, of course, has an economic miracle and becomes the second largest economy in the world and begins building a military, and also these other countries start to assert themselves.
01:10:00.000On a basis where they can project force outside their borders, they can challenge the United States, they can resist American power and American demands, American economic and military might.
01:10:15.000And so anyway, so I'm getting sidetracked here, but the point is is like this is a world historical development.
01:10:24.000This is a seminal development in the history of the world.
01:10:27.000This decade, the 2020s, with the Americans leaving Afghanistan, Russia invading Ukraine, and now this debacle in Israel and Palestine,
01:10:40.000This is like the Russo-Japanese War of 1904.
01:10:44.000This is like, this is a major, or rather 1905, this is a major, major incident in the transition
01:10:58.000And it's not even that necessarily China is replacing the United States, but it is true that China and these weaker, smaller countries, when they come together as a posse, as a coalition, and posse is really the right word for it, they can assert an independent, autonomous will.
01:12:56.000People are quoting me and saying, even Nick Fuentes has the right opinion.
01:12:59.000You know, I'm on these big Twitter spaces and it's like,
01:13:04.000So this guy's not even, he's not talking about it, and his name isn't in the conversation.
01:13:09.000So he's totally irrelevant, but it just, it blows me away that people can think that they're doing something and you don't talk about, ban the ADL, you don't talk about the Gaza War.
01:13:22.000I mean, because really it's been like, it's really been a whole year of developments pertaining to this issue, right?
01:13:30.000Maybe go back to Yea 24, which was almost, we're approaching almost a year to the day.
01:13:38.000So Ye goes out there in October 2022 and says Jews invented cancel culture and I'm going Defcon 3 and they run the music industry and this begins like a whole year of this I go into the red pill community and I'd like red pill the red pill community I go on Fresh and Fit and I go on Pearl and I'm with Sneeko and do these other shows then
01:14:02.000Keith Woods gets Ban the ADL trending worldwide, and there's a discussion about that.
01:14:07.000Then Israel attacks Gaza, and there's protests, and again, there's this political awakening in the United States within the American right.
01:14:18.000And for the whole year, what does this guy have to say about any of it?
01:15:35.000A whole year of red pills about Jews running the media and Kanye getting canceled and the ADL being attacked on Twitter and people waking up about Jews controlling censorship.
01:15:47.000This thing in Gaza and this is what we get.
01:15:51.000I'll watch like 10 minutes of this and then we're not gonna watch anymore because I just can't.
01:16:25.000You know, like a year ago, two years ago, this guy was being elevated on the Blaze and on YouTube as like the counter to Nick Fuentes.
01:16:33.000No, I like Doyle because he's like, you know, he's not a cringe incel and he's not whatever, like, he's a normal, he's having a normal one.
01:16:44.000And here we are all these years later.
01:17:35.000He told me, because I used to be friends with this guy before he attacked me, he told me that when he got interviewed to go on The Blaze, they asked him about Israel and he lied and said, oh I support Israel or whatever.
01:17:48.000Like the head of the blaze flew him out to North Carolina or something, and they were asking him questions, kind of trying to suss out if he's a griper, and he told me, oh, and then they asked me about Israel, and I, you know, I said, well, I'm America first.
01:18:03.000And, you know, but I'm not against Israel, and blah blah blah.
01:18:08.000So, in other words, he sucked dick to get on Blaze.
01:18:11.000He basically played with the balls and he sucked dick to get on the Blaze and said, hey, I'm a total shill, like, yeah, I'm gonna lay down, I'm not going to oppose Israel.
01:18:23.000And he was supposed to get a TV show, whatever happened.
01:18:38.000It's like you could make videos and be a propagandist and you can move the needle on things like Keith or me or Lucas Gage or Elijah or whoever.
01:21:06.000I feel like me, I can ramble too much and...
01:21:25.000Like, when I write, the biggest challenge that I have is I don't know where to stop zooming out.
01:21:32.000Like, a minute ago, when I was talking about Gaza, I'm just, like, zooming out and zooming out and going into, like, when America was a hyperpower, you know?
01:22:55.000You don't do... you don't retake that.
01:22:56.000You used to prosecute them in the first place.
01:23:01.000Why do you think they've propagandized our society into embracing political correctness and cancel culture?
01:23:07.000That you can't dress up as anything funny anymore?
01:23:09.000I need you to remember... See, we're 45 seconds in and we're just all over the map.
01:23:15.000World War III, funny coincidence, girls dress like sluts, the influence of the church, Halloween parties get shot up, left-wing district attorneys,
01:23:30.000These people are trying to start World War III to distract you from carving pumpkins because then all the evil spirits would be scared away and the bad guys would lose.
01:23:37.000Few understand this, but we understand this.
01:23:39.000The war on Halloween is real, folks, and it's right here.
01:23:42.000It's right in front of us, but it's okay.
01:29:30.000It does tend to be one of the more explicitly- ...over-analyzed Halloween movies.
01:29:35.000After he was released from the statue before ascending into heaven, he told me the absolute best thing I can do right now to fight the bad guys is to autistically... Robert E. Lee Spirit left the statue and he appeared to me in a vision and he said the best thing that I can do to beat the bad guys?
01:31:49.000Was wondering if you'd like to join me in a screening of Halloween movies, afterwards we could autistically analyze them, according to my right-wing political worldview.
01:34:20.000But it is true, the entire genre of Halloween movies, horror movies, it does tend to be one of the more explicitly right-wing genres of media.
01:34:50.000Make sure to pause to swallow every 90 seconds on your pre-recorded video.
01:35:10.000There is actually some utility in these sorts of discussions, and some of them, yeah, are less serious, but some of them do actually contain some pretty important points about the changing cultural and political landscape of our society, especially throughout the last several decades, so... Some of them are gonna be silly, me watching this.
01:35:26.000Some of them are gonna be more serious, me.
01:35:32.000I'm such a... I was made to do this because I'm just a misanthropic... It's like I'm a miserab.
01:37:24.000I will provide to you the correct analyses of these films for your Halloween mirth, merriments, and otherwise general enjoyments, and we will all be better off for it, except George Soros.
01:37:32.000He will literally tickle himself in a panic if you watch this video all the way through, because we will go over...
01:39:56.000And speaking of ideas, I will be debating key Gamergate figure Brianna Wu on November 6th at the University of South Carolina.
01:40:03.000already let's watch that where's that where's the stream of that oh that let's watch this I didn't know this happened already where's the full thing
01:40:32.000We're here at the Russell House Ballroom tonight, where we are watching the John Doyle versus Brianne Wu debate.
01:40:40.000And he wishes to bring the conversation.
01:40:42.000Something that's not in the conversation radar, but something that everybody.
01:40:46.000On men's social relations and self-esteem.
01:40:49.000And so these young men end up developing symptoms of anxiety, depression, just this general feeling of brain cloud or low ambition, which is all symptomatic of having fried out dopamine receptors.
01:41:00.000Honestly, draining your life force as a man, which is that sort of instinct to want to reproduce into just nothing.
01:41:07.000Rihanna Wu, a progressive feminist, argues that a nationwide pornography ban would be an intrusion on the First Amendment.
01:42:19.000Okay, well, he doesn't talk, that's probably autism, punishes sinners, he's got mommy issues, he's an arch nemesis, preys upon children.
01:42:26.000Like, okay, yeah, I'm thinking this is our guy.
01:42:28.000Or even something like the original Black Christmas from 1974, which John Carpenter took a lot of inspiration from for Halloween, particularly in the cinematography.
01:42:35.000That movie, of course, sparking the popularity of slasher films.
01:42:38.000You could argue that's all thanks to Black Christmas.
01:42:55.000It doesn't necessarily make it a right-wing Halloween movie.
01:42:57.000You know, we have to play by the rules.
01:42:59.000Also, I have to be responsible with my messaging, okay?
01:43:02.000It hurts the movement if I come out and say, top five right-wing Halloween movies, and then the reason for each one is that the guy's an autistic incel, okay?
01:43:33.000And it can't be something like They Live, where the messaging is very obvious, and people will say, okay, well, where do you draw the line, then?
01:43:52.000Messaging in a movie like Invasion of the Body Snatchers is really obvious with the whole take of... Well, it's about McCarthyism and McCarthyism is so crazy and silly.
01:45:28.000Most people who try to do this just fail because you look at anything that claims to be left-wing horror and it's gonna be like some 20th century critique of consumerism and it's like, yeah, same.
01:46:13.000And so they'll highlight consumerism or they'll highlight material inequality.
01:46:17.000Both of which are to basically say, I'm mad that I don't get to buy things that other people get to buy.
01:46:22.000Which is affirmed clearly by the fact that every time one of these people finds a way to make a living being resentful about inequality, they always keep it for themselves and just go buck wild.
01:46:29.000Which I don't care about, like, you know, do what you're gonna do, but we can't... Another swallow.
01:46:34.000It's just like... What's the point of this?
01:46:39.000When I started doing my show seven years ago, I said I want to make something that isn't redundant.
01:49:20.000Like, maybe in the 60s or 70s, you'll have something that was vaguely anti-war, maybe, and so they'll claim it, but it's always just the little details.
01:49:26.000It's like icing on the cake or whatever.
01:49:28.000And, you know, they're just horror movies that maybe are accented with depictions of colonization, oppression, classism, inequality, etc.
01:49:35.000But at that point, those are just cosmetic features.
01:49:37.000Like, it would have to be, at its core, left-wing.
01:49:40.000Or a lot of times, a movie will be left-wing just because of how
01:49:42.000Vulgar and subversive it is to our cultural standards, and they'll take pride in making something like that so Sometimes it's left-wing in the sense that the message is progressive, but in a much more real sense It's left-wing because the message is retarded and subversive and defiant to reality or a lot of times It'll just be like you took any dozen classic horror movies.
01:50:00.000It just goes on and on where's the structure?
01:51:43.000Like, we could have a whole discussion constructing a model of these types of people, because you'd think to yourself, okay, why are all the biggest diehard fans of these McWhore films, which contain terribly violent things in many cases happening to people, why are these people the same people who would pride themselves on being so empathetic and so understanding?
01:51:59.000And the answer is because what these people get off to, above all else, isn't being empathetic and understanding, it's being empathetic and understanding to people who seek to subvert traditional American society.
01:52:25.000Every time I watch this, if you told me you have to watch this Doyle video and then fill out a worksheet to ensure comprehension, I wouldn't be able to do it.
01:52:37.000If someone sat me in a room and said, you have to focus on this and watch it from start to finish, it would be psychological torture.
01:52:43.000I start to watch it and in 60, 45 to 90 seconds, I start to say, am I being detained?
01:53:17.000Which are in many cases made for the sake of being as brutal and disgusting and gory as possible.
01:53:22.000You look at the people who really like those movies, they're all leftists.
01:53:26.000And it's because they get off to the vulgarity and the offensiveness of the material.
01:53:30.000Sure, there's definitely a component to it that's just about channeling the natural instinct to see violence that we all have.
01:53:35.000With them in particular, there's probably a dark spiritual component to it as well, but I really believe that they just love subverting what they regard to still be in a position to be subverted.
01:53:44.000So it might seem like there's a hypocrisy or a double standard to their behavior, but there isn't.
01:53:48.000Like, it's all directed at the same enemy, which is just us.
01:53:51.000That's honestly the worst part of it to me.
01:53:53.000Not even, like, the subversion or the edginess, but that it thinks it is.
01:53:56.000Like, it's just this cringe, faux edginess.
01:53:58.000Like, you've got these people and they're just beating the corpses of moral authorities that have been dead in our culture for a while.
01:54:03.000They're trying to act like it's so edgy.
01:54:05.000Bro, did you just attack Christianity?
01:56:52.000They just uncritically say the same thing over and over.
01:56:56.000This is not an over-analysis of anything.
01:57:00.000It's hard to see how they're accomplishing what they think they are.
01:57:03.000Like, when you watch one of these movies, we're typically rooting for the maintaining of the normal order against some outside threat, against something unnatural, or sometimes, when we are rooting for the bad guy, it'll be when he's, you know, killing degenerate teenagers, or when he's punishing bad people in a twisted form of vigilantism, something like in Saw, which is inherently right-wing, by the way, that whole idea of the vigilante, because the outsourcing of justice to capable citizens presupposes the collapse
01:57:57.000...efficiently protect its people and deliver justice, and honestly, I think that's why in the last decade or so, these superhero stories have become so extravagant with their villains and storylines, because broadly speaking, if it were still just about criminals, people might be compelled to think about, you know, the world we live in a little bit harder, what we choose to let people get away with, how it affects our society, who these people are, things like that.
01:58:41.000If superhero movies were like they were in the old days and they were about crime, then people would realize black people commit all the crime.
01:58:49.000So the propaganda has to be about outer space.
01:59:20.000Chicago PD is a show about Chicago police.
01:59:24.000And in case you haven't noticed, all the criminals in Chicago are black.
01:59:27.000But all the villains in the show are white.
01:59:32.000They didn't stop making Batman or whatever.
01:59:38.000These superhero stories have become so extravagant with their villains and storylines because, broadly speaking, if it were still just about criminals, people might be compelled to think about, you know, the world we live in a little bit harder.
02:00:59.000It's got nothing to do with black crim- They- That's all the- And by the way, guys like Doyle and this faggot class, all that they can talk about is how black people commit crime.
02:01:11.000They think that's the most edgy, interesting thing ever.
02:01:15.000Did you know that non-whites are pouring into the country?
02:01:18.000Did you know that black people commit crime?
02:01:21.000And it always goes back to that with them.
02:01:23.000Why are there superhero movies about outer space?
02:01:26.000Because they can't make it about petty criminals.
02:01:28.000Because all the petty criminals are black.
02:01:35.000Even the science fiction movies aren't even about rocket ships.
02:01:40.000Once upon a time, the science fiction movies were about an alien that landed on Earth.
02:01:45.000Or they were about a spaceship that went into outer space.
02:01:48.000Now, it's about the Tesseract, and multiple dimensions, and ecological crisis, and... and it's about... even Avatar is like a... subverts expectations, it inverts the traditional understanding of aliens, and it makes a point about colonialism.
02:03:00.000Have you noticed that in TV, I think Paul Scalise pointed this out, there are very few stories that are set in the present day anymore because
02:03:11.000Technology has solved all of the conventional stories.
02:03:14.000How many Seinfeld episodes couldn't be made today because cell phones exist?
02:03:20.000You know, like in Seinfeld they lose their car in the parking garage.
02:03:40.000So anyway, so the stories are changing because of technology and specifically the information age.
02:03:45.000It's got nothing to do with, if they made shows about petty crime, they'd have to red pill the masses about, did you know black people commit all the crime?
02:04:23.000The bottom line is that for the profile of the average horror fanatic being a leftist to be used as evidence that the genre is in itself inherently left-wing, that would require me to concede that leftists are reliable narrators and not completely misaligned with reality, which I won't do.
02:05:13.000The whole liberal understanding of a creature, a monster, whatever to wing because the ultimate takeaway is that liberals are retarded, which is in alignment with the natural order.
02:05:23.000That's the takeaway with one of these movies.
02:05:25.000You know, it's like the message is not what is intended, but wow, imagine believing something so stupid that you actually produce a movie about it.
02:07:53.000I remember the first time I saw this, I was with my dad.
02:07:55.000I think I was maybe like seven or eight, honestly, and he'd been telling me for my entire life this is the scariest movie ever made.
02:08:01.000People were walking out of the theaters when this came out.
02:08:04.000I don't even know if that's true, but we started watching it.
02:08:06.000I was so freaked out by what I thought was going to happen that I think I only made it to the part where
02:08:10.000Laurie's like walking home and then Michael Myers just like emerges from this bush and then goes back behind the bush and I was like, okay, can't do this anymore because I got myself so worked up about what I thought I was going to see.
02:08:22.000But yeah, the original Halloween from 1978.
02:08:24.000If you haven't seen it, I'm going to spoil it.
02:08:27.000Essentially, it begins with a six year old Michael Myers killing his sister on Halloween night 1963 with a knife that he retrieved from the kitchen after he's left at home.
02:20:56.000So first two minutes he's just talking about like uh boners that's first first two minutes it's just talking about like boners uh okay yeah that's that's what it is um nice to meet you man we never met dude you have such a crazy like quick act like a guy act like a normal guy oh boner what if a boner you have a crazy laugh don't you
02:23:01.000um good to see you today man we never met before one of my children is like your biggest fan really yes and are they like how children are we talking mid-20s oh that's fine i'm just saying i don't want yeah i don't want nothing creepy or anything i don't need like because it's kind of weird that they allow like
02:24:21.000But the fact that they allow it and kids beating up each other, they'll have like those things where somebody's going to set up, somebody's filming, some other kids like are going to come in and beat up the kid, right?
02:24:45.000Or there's a whole bunch of channels of criminals getting shot coming into a jewelry store or a liquor store and some Korean guy just blows them away.
02:29:27.000This was before the corporations took over everything and implanted chips on your phone to listen to your conversation, track your whereabouts.
02:29:33.000And before we became East Germany, they didn't really know where you were.
02:29:36.000And it was just a civilized place, and you could just have lunch.
02:29:39.000And if you drank, it was totally within bounds to have a couple drinks at lunch.
02:29:44.000You know, and smoke at lunch, and then that could keep going.
02:29:47.000I'm not saying it was great for productivity, but it was a better country.
02:31:41.000And I'm not, by the way, suggesting any theory.
02:31:43.000Yeah, no, well, look, I think- But how do we not know that?
02:31:45.000And why doesn't that make all of us humble?
02:31:48.000Like, if we don't know how they built the pyramids, three or four thousand, or actually, we don't know when the pyramids were built, to be totally honest.
02:35:18.000Will Chamberlain, a man who I platformed and actually had in that chair in my studio a year ago, he said, you know, we're having a really bad night, but we're sure to do better if we nominate a guy who will be a convicted felon on election day.
02:35:35.000Um, well, well, if you're a conservative, there's a thing called innocent until proven guilty.
02:36:39.000I mean, I think politicians by their nature are unwilling... By the way, every once in a while you get somebody who shows up and starts to tell a portion of the truth, and everyone loves him!
02:36:50.000And then he's always invariably accused of raping someone at that point.
02:39:35.000um oh they just bought the land i don't know i mean i think they just bought it um how is that unethical they just bought it and the and the israelis will do or how you feel about this so there's a picture that goes around a lot that uh apparently jewish people feel really proud of
02:39:54.000I don't know if this is a piece of Israeli propaganda that you guys tell yourselves.
02:39:59.000Somebody tried to put forth this argument that Tel Aviv was built here in sand dunes, okay?
02:40:05.000And it was an amazing feat, an amazing accomplishment by the Jewish people that Tel Aviv was built on these sand dunes.
02:40:10.000They built the magnificent city of Tel Aviv.
02:40:21.000Tel Aviv is like five kilometers, okay, from Jaffa, which was a massive port city, right?
02:40:28.000Tel Aviv was built on the outskirts of Jaffa from a lot of the people leaving Jaffa due to a variety of conflict, overpopulation, whatever reasons.
02:40:34.000It was basically built on the outskirts of Jaffa, Tel Aviv.
02:40:37.000So I feel like presenting this picture and saying, oh my God, the Jewish people built this bubble, it's like, okay, kind of, but like, if you turn the camera around, right,
02:40:47.000If you turn the camera around, you have a massive port city that is literally, uh... You have a massive port city that's literally right next to it, you know?
02:40:55.000I think this is... this might even be early, early 1900s.
02:40:59.000So it feels a little bit like bragging about, like, building a suburb.
02:41:06.000That's... This idea is central because they say Palestine never existed.
02:41:14.000In order for them to legitimize the Jewish claim to the land, because they know that their claim is weak, they say, well, we were here 3,000 years ago.
02:41:25.000It's like, well, no, you haven't been there for almost 2,000 years.
02:41:32.000He started showing up here a hundred years ago.
02:41:34.000There were basically no Jews there, and they started immigrating around a hundred years ago, and they didn't constitute a significant part of the population until the mid-century.
02:41:44.000So they've really only been here for, like, little under a hundred years.
02:41:51.000So they realize that their claim is pretty shaky.
02:41:54.000They say, well, we were there then, and we have been there now.
02:43:06.000It's not just about asserting the Jewish claim, it's about delegitimizing the claim by the Palestinians by saying, well, there never was a Palestinian state.
02:43:15.000Or in this, well, they never owned the land.
02:48:38.000I don't want to just present this argument in a vacuum.
02:48:40.000I really want him to fight me on this.
02:48:42.000Let's see if he wants to chat about this.
02:48:51.000You respond to Steven Crowder dredging up the pages from the manifesto of the Tennessee school shooter?
02:48:55.000Okay, I saw that, and they looked really bad, and it was tempting to start making a bunch of tweets about how this is lefty violence, it's starting to actually happen now, where people are doing mass shootings, and they're using, like, Cracker as an insult, and all of this.
02:49:10.000We don't have all the pages of that notebook.
02:49:13.000It could be that that person wrote a whole bunch of unhinged shit about everybody in that notebook, and if 10 more pages were released about them talking about other things, like also wanting to kill black people, and also wanting to kill brown people, and everything else, and using a whole bunch of other racial slurs, it changes the way that we would view the few pages that were released.
02:49:29.000Remember, remember, remember, remember this take I give.
02:49:32.000Even if you feel like it's wrong, it is right.
02:49:34.000Even if you fight against it with all your brain, you know deep down, eventually, you're gonna give into this position, okay?
02:49:41.000Okay, let's watch the other debate though.
02:49:45.000Let's watch the debate that he did on... People choose the stopping point of history in a very peculiar way.
02:49:52.000Saying that Arab-Palestinian hostility has been fostered by the Israeli state since the ethnic cleansing of 48 ignores what precipitated the ethnic cleansing of 48, which was the Brits leaving and all the Arab countries saying, well, we're going to try to eliminate all the Jewish people here because of this, right?
02:50:11.000There have been polls suggesting that Arabs who are anti...
02:50:26.000There's been at least four Arab-Israeli wars where 10-plus Arab countries have explicitly stated that their goal is to destroy the nation of Israel.
02:50:34.000That's probably why they're a little bit dicey about Arabs gaining a significant voting hold in their country.
02:50:45.000Did I just say something that was factually incorrect?
02:50:48.000Yeah, you didn't, but the United States was attacked on 9-11.
02:50:50.000There wasn't a movement to, there wasn't big support to take away voting rights.
02:50:53.000Because the United States is the strongest country militarily that has ever existed in the history of all of the world and we're surrounded by the two largest oceans on the planet defending us from all foreign attacks.
02:51:02.000Do you think that our position is the same as Israel?
02:51:06.000I think before 7th October it was fairly comparable.
02:51:08.000Because Israel, if you look at the amount of casualties they've had since the Yom Kippur War, you're really emotional about this.
02:52:54.000Is that Israel, and I think this is a relevant point for you because you come at this from a liberal perspective, which actually I share.
02:53:01.000A lot of people on my side are like base North Korea, base Stalin, but I come from a liberal perspective and I think a lot of liberals are siding with Israel and don't realize Israel's a deeply illiberal society.
02:53:17.000And just to make a couple points in this regard, in 2014-2015 Pew surveyed the Israeli population and found that nearly half of all Israelis support a mass ethnic cleansing of the Arab population.
02:53:29.000This question was asked in general terms, do you support removal of the Arabs?
02:55:11.000Whereas even the social discriminations, virtually, unless you're talking about people who converted from Islam to Christianity, Christians are treated very well in Jordan.
02:55:38.000It's clearly this brutal policy of occupation, which—and also— Wait, can you—yeah, let's go point by point, actually, because obviously I'm going to challenge you on all these points.
02:55:47.000On that last thing you said, so you're saying Christians are treated well in, we'll say, countries like Jordan.
02:55:54.000Why do you think Jewish people— In Jordan.
02:57:17.000I do have a connection to the Arab world through my maternal side, who's Egyptian.
02:57:21.000I do have some bias there, but I am a liberal Westerner.
02:57:26.000So, notice how right out of the gate, there's this interesting little sleight of hand, which you might have missed.
02:57:34.000But History Speaks is making a claim about the Palestinian Gazans and their motivation for hating Israel.
02:57:46.000He says that the meme on the Zionist side is that the reason that the Palestinians have animosity towards Israel is because they are savages.
02:57:58.000They are savages, they are barbarians, they are Muslims.
02:58:32.000This, uh, Egyptian guy, the History Speaks is saying, is that, well, that is easily disprovable because in Jordan, Christians are treated equally.
02:58:43.000That Islam regards Jews and Christians similarly, and in Jordan, Christians are not treated badly.
02:58:50.000So, it follows that, excuse me, that their religion or their primitiveness is not the reason for their antipathy towards Jews because if they hated Jews for being Jews, for being unbelievers, then why would they not hate Christians too?
02:59:07.000Why would they not hate Christians as much?
02:59:08.000Why would they not treat Christians like they treat the Israelis?
02:59:13.000He said, and the obvious reason, and Destiny laid this out, is because of Jewish behavior.
02:59:20.000They are attacking Jews and History Speaks says, well, that's a form of collective retaliation that in the Arab countries and in countries where Israel did not expel Palestinians like Egypt or Iraq, they said Jews were punished.
02:59:36.000But they are being punished as a collective response to what Israel is doing.
02:59:41.000It doesn't make it right, but the Jews are being targeted in these other places for that reason.
02:59:46.000But there's an interesting slate of hand where Destiny says, okay, well what about, okay, so, you know, Jews are being treated worse in Jordan than the Christians are, but what about the Jews in Egypt?
02:59:59.000Israel didn't do stuff to those countries, he says, and they're not punishing Israel, they're just punishing Jews.
03:00:08.000And it's like, okay, but you've totally missed the point of the argument.
03:00:12.000History Speaks even says, well, Jews were expelled in those other places and that was wrong, but nevertheless, they were expelled as a response to what Israel did.
03:00:23.000And Jews being Jewish and Israel being a Jewish state, it was a form of collective reprisal.
03:00:29.000Egypt punished the Jews in Egypt because of what the Jewish state Israel did to the Arabs in Palestine.
03:00:37.000Now, History Speaks said that's wrong, and we can say that that's wrong.
03:00:42.000But it has nothing to do with the argument.
03:00:44.000The argument is that if Arabs and Muslims were just violent, if they were just a problem for no reason, and they hate Jews purely because their religion compels them to or their backwardness makes them xenophobic, then Jordanians would hate Christians.
03:01:06.000That Egypt collectively punished the Jews for the behavior of the Jewish state really has nothing to do with that because even if anything it proves the opposite.
03:01:16.000It says that all the so-called anti-Semitism in the region because Jews lived in the Middle East.
03:01:21.000The pogroms towards Jews in the Middle East were a response to what Israel did.
03:02:33.000The Palestinians hate the Israelis because of how the Israelis treat them.
03:02:37.000And Destiny's rebuttal is to say, okay, but what about the Arab countries that expelled Jews where the Israeli state didn't act in those places?
03:02:46.000But the argument's wrong because even if it's misguided, even if the Egyptians or the Iraqis or whoever, even if they expelled Jews who had nothing to do with Israel, it's misguided, but it's still a response to what Israel did.
03:03:14.000If you want me to tell you why these people thought it was justified, which is not my position, it's because of the 1948 and 1950 ethnic cleansing project by Israel of the majority of the Palestinian population.
03:03:29.000So in the 1948 war, this is according to Benny Morris, who's a Zionist,
03:03:56.000Morris, his analysis was, there was this national myth, I'm sure you'll hear this on Israel Twitter, that the Arabs just left voluntarily because their armies were about to attack and so on.
03:04:08.000Benny Morris found that the vast majority of the people who left in 1948 were either war refugees or they were just physically removed, like ethnically cleansed by the Israelis.
03:04:18.000So the vast majority of these 800,000 or so people were either war refugees or were physically removed or ethnically cleansed.
03:04:25.000And then in 1950, Israel passed a law expropriating their property with no compensation.
03:04:29.000These are war refugees and ethnic cleansing victims.
03:04:32.000So in my view, they're all ethnic cleansing victims at that point.
03:04:35.000If Russia were to say, we're taking all of the property and you're not allowed to return to recreating war refugees, that's ethnic cleansing.
03:04:44.000What you just described is what most Arab states did in 48 to Jewish people, and they also did it in 56 after the Suez Crisis, and they did it again in 67 after the Six-Day War.
03:04:55.000So every Arab state seems to be doing that.
03:04:59.000See, again, just blows past the first point.
03:05:05.000And, you know, I watched a little bit of this video before I went live, and this whole thing
03:05:11.000You realize that all that destiny has are just these, like, these tricks.
03:05:18.000It's slate of hand that you wouldn't recognize if you're not paying close attention.
03:06:26.000We'd have to look at individual cases, but if you want to talk about ethnic cleansing in general terms, I don't think that's an unreasonable characterization of what happened to the Jewish population.
03:06:35.000I barely know anything about this conflict so far.
03:06:40.000My knowledge is literally four or five days old.
03:06:43.000I'm not disputing your premise, you understand.
03:09:54.000And so what Destiny is saying is we're trying to figure out who's in the right and who's justified to feel angry.
03:10:02.000He's saying that the Palestinian side starts at an arbitrary point.
03:10:05.000What he's effectively saying is that the Palestinians started it.
03:10:08.000He's saying that when the Palestinians say that Hamas is justified in Al-Aqsa flood on October 7th, he said it's arbitrary to say that that's justified by the occupation of Gaza.
03:10:22.000He says because Gaza was occupied because of the Intifada.
03:10:26.000And the Intifada started because Israel took over.
03:10:28.000And it goes all the way back to the very beginning and he's basically saying
03:10:35.000That when the Palestinians pick an arbitrary point where Israel started the conflict, he says, they're not going all the way back.
03:10:44.000He says, basically, if he's denying that Zionism exists, and Zionism is the intention by European Jews to create a Jewish state in the Levant.
03:11:39.000When Destiny says, if you go back far enough, it's the Palestinians' fault, and then he says that there is no ideological vision on the part of the Jews to take over the Holy Land, you lose the debate right from the beginning because that's factual.
03:11:57.000It is unquestionable that the Zionists... What is Zionism?
03:12:01.000The Zionists had the intention of creating a Jewish state in the Middle East.
03:12:09.000So when he says, you know, if you go far back enough, it's not the Israelis' fault, and you can only find fault with the Israelis if you choose an arbitrary date.
03:12:18.000If you go back far enough, it's not their fault.
03:12:21.000It's because the Muslims didn't want him there.
03:12:23.000But then he says, oh, well, actually, no, the Israelis didn't want to create a Jewish state.
03:13:10.000Let me clarify, because some Palestinians exaggerate this.
03:13:13.000He said we have to abide by property rights and so on.
03:13:16.000But they had a vision and practice for decades of buying up land from absentee landowners, often Turks, and then expelling the propertyless peasants from it.
03:14:23.000Arab-Palestinians don't like that because their land is being purchased and they're getting removed from it.
03:14:29.000Now, Destiny is saying there is no ideological vision to take over the land, and he's saying that, well, there's nothing inherently wrong with buying land.
03:14:41.000And this is how he comes up, and by the way, those two ideas are how you come up with the theory that the only reason anyone hates Israel is because they just hate him for being Jewish.
03:14:52.000All the Jews did was start buying up some land.
03:14:54.000They didn't have a plan, and there was nothing wrong with them buying it.
03:14:58.000Then, out of nowhere, the Arabs attacked.
03:15:03.000So yeah, if you deny the sort of central premise, which is that
03:15:08.000Jews intended on settling in an already occupied land, you know, a land that already has inhabitants, you know, then you're right.
03:15:15.000But that, you know, that's sort of the whole point.
03:15:22.000And it just goes to show, by the way, that this isn't even an argument that Zionists would make.
03:15:27.000Because Zionists even know the record better than destiny.
03:15:31.000So this is an argument that's made by a person that fundamentally doesn't understand the facts, or is denying them.
03:15:38.000So it's like, it's like a dumb argument for Zionism.
03:15:41.000It's like a dumb argument in defense of Israel.
03:15:45.000You know, because a Zionist might argue, like, well, the Israelis have a claim to the land because God gave it to them, or we had it 3,000 years, or, you know, we bought it fair and square, you know, or something like that.
03:15:58.000But this argument is like denying that Zionism exists, which is crazy.
03:16:04.000Yeah, but the British did recognize that while they, of course, they fought the revolt and lamented what they regard as barbarism and so on.
03:16:13.000They understood that this situation is not sustainable of allowing all this Jewish migration where they come in, they buy the land and kick off these unlanded peasants, right?
03:16:24.000And that's a vision articulated by Herzl.
03:16:26.000That's essentially what the practice and a vision.
03:16:28.000So, I mean, I see a continuity between that, even though I wouldn't call that ethnic cleansing.
03:16:34.000It's in the neighborhood because it's lawful, right?
03:16:36.000They're not like taking arms or buying it.
03:16:40.000But I see that as kind of part of a spectrum, and I understand why people who aren't, in many cases, weren't literate back then and are just tied to land and labor, seeing themselves get kicked off the land, these Palestinian Arabs, that there was resentment and anger, right?
03:16:58.000I don't disagree, but again, what precipitated the 48 expulsions?
03:17:04.000What precipitated the inaction of Plan Dalet?
03:17:09.000They wanted, for ideological reasons, as much land as possible with a Jewish majority.
03:17:17.000That might be the case, but unfortunately, historically, we don't have that counterfactual, right?
03:17:26.000Ben-Gurion was clearly happy to see the backs of any Arab who left in 1948.
03:17:31.000Yeah, Ben-Gurion also included in his statement of Israeli independence that he would happily live side by side with Arabs.
03:17:37.000And Ben-Gurion and the Yishuv, the pre-Israeli government, also accepted the 47 partition plan that would have had like 55% of the population of Israel being Jewish Arabs and the other 45% being Palestinian Arabs.
03:17:50.000So we have those things on writing as well, right?
03:17:53.000I understand that we have that one statement from Ben-Gurion, but if we look at the actions that they took prior to the 48-minute promise, there are other statements too, right?
03:17:59.000Okay, so you're talking about the origins of the war, where the Arab population does not accept the partition plan.
03:18:39.000These are total foreigners and their intention was to gobble up enough land and Declare the creation of a Jewish state and the United Nations come in and says hey Palestinians, you know time to create a
03:18:52.000Time to create a state now that is both significantly Jewish and the Jews have way more land than you, even though they have a smaller population.
03:20:39.000I'm just saying- I don't have a- all I'm saying is-
03:20:42.000issue is I noticed that when people speak about this conflict, a lot of stuff will be brought up, but people choose the stopping point of history in a very peculiar way.
03:20:51.000For instance, saying that Arab-Palestinian hostility has been fostered by the Israeli state since the ethnic cleansing of 48 ignores what precipitated the ethnic cleansing of 48, which was the Brits leaving and all the Arab countries saying, well, we're going to try to eliminate all the Jewish people here because of this, right?
03:21:10.000I love, I love the casual, like, when it comes to claims, for example, that are obvious, like that the Jews wanted to take over the Mandate of Palestine, it's like, erm, well, we don't have a counterfactual.
03:21:44.000Yeah, they did not want the partition plan because they viewed it—look, they viewed this— Okay, it might not have been the fact that they would have killed all the Jewish people.
03:21:56.000But it is strange that when Israel, when Israel won their war of independence, it was just Jewish people that were punished in every single Arab state.
03:22:33.000It could be the fact that all of the surrounding Arab nations that went to war with the newly declared Israel, maybe they would have just, like, conquered the territory and, like, made Jews live as whatever citizens there?
03:22:44.000There's two responses I'd make to this.
03:22:45.000First of all, I agree with you that this is unjustified.
03:23:37.000So it's like, their situation—the consequences of their victimization are no longer being felt.
03:23:44.000Yeah, because the Jewish people in Israel fought war after war after war to establish their right to exist.
03:23:50.000That's the only reason why they have a place to live, right?
03:23:55.000Again, just totally not even engaging with the line of reasoning.
03:24:00.000And I like, History Speaks brings it back and says, you know, okay, like we're sort of getting away from the subject at hand, which is Israel and Palestine, specifically Israel and the Palestinian Gazans.
03:24:18.000That Egypt and Syria declared war on Israel.
03:24:23.000That had nothing to do with the Palestinians.
03:24:25.000Those were the actions of Arab states, he says.
03:24:27.000And the fundamental difference between the Arabs declaring war on Israel and Israel declaring war on everybody else is that the Palestinians are in a concentration camp and they can't... And the ones that were chased off their land during the War of Independence, the so-called War of Independence in 1948, they can't return.
03:24:44.000But the Israeli, you know, if Destiny wants to make this equivalency and said, oh, well, the Israelis expelled the Palestinians and then the Arab states expelled the Jews.
03:24:53.000And the guy says, well, you know, that's really neither here nor there because the Arab states are not the Palestinians.
03:24:59.000He says, but, you know, be that as it may, in 2023, which is the conflict that we're talking about, the Al-Aqsa flood and the ensuing Gaza war, he said the Jews have their own state.
03:25:13.000They still have the land and, you know, if they wanted to return, I mean, they wouldn't want to.
03:25:20.000He says, but Palestinians are basically in an open-air concentration camp.
03:25:24.000Palestinians are not in the same situation.
03:25:27.000The Palestinians that were driven from their land, they're unwelcome in Egypt, they're unwelcome in Jordan, in Lebanon, and the living conditions of West Bank and Gaza are unbearable.
03:25:39.000And Destiny comes back and says, uh, but that's because Israel fought for the land.
03:25:42.000It's like, okay, but one's got nothing to do with the other.
03:25:46.000And then this language like, right to exist, that's just, that's propaganda.
03:25:51.000He's gonna say, I'm not taking a side, I don't have a position, but Israel has a right to exist, and Israel fought for its right to exist, and the reason that Israel is a first world country is because it has the right to exist.
03:26:52.000...parts of the Suez Canal, and then cutting off shipment to Israel, which was not only a violation of the 1888 international agreements to not control traffic through that, but it was also most likely a declaration of war because it probably violated the previous armistice lines that... But it was most likely a declaration of war.
03:31:56.000Your answer there is ahistorical, and throughout all of history, the closing and fighting over shipping lanes has been absolutely huge parts of...
03:32:07.000Listen to the way he talks I want to write out exactly what he says so you could see how retarded it sounds cuz maybe it'd be hard to It would be hard to realize how stupid it is unless you see it written down Where's like an app where I can write something here in text whoops How about this
03:32:32.000Oh, this is from, wow, it's saved from when I did my space on that, or when I did the stream on that Twitter space.
03:32:40.000I want to go to, I want to write exactly what he says, because it's crazy.
03:32:43.000About why we go to war with people and why people- Logical interest in expansion to the territory- No, no, no, I want to answer this.
03:32:51.000Wait, wait, wait, wait, you made one claim, just as a real quick thing.
03:32:53.000If you said that you don't consider the closing of shipping lanes as a cause for war, that's fine.
03:33:59.000This is your sophisticated person here.
03:34:03.000Throughout all of history, the closing and fighting over shipping lanes has been absolutely huge parts about why we go to war with people and why people go to war.
03:34:18.000Throughout all of history... In all... It was a dark and stormy night.
03:34:24.000Throughout all of history, the closing and fighting over shipping lanes has been absolutely huge parts... These are the weasel words I'm talking about.
03:36:27.000Because that's really what he's saying.
03:36:28.000Throughout all of history, closing and fighting over shipping lanes, when you say closing and fighting, what you really mean when you say closing and fighting, this is a way to water down what you're saying.
03:36:43.000And this is the trick, is that he's never actually saying anything concrete.
03:36:47.000Because, if he were to say, closing shipping lanes causes people to go to war, that would be a state- Like, let's write that down.
03:36:56.000If you were to say closing shipping lanes causes war, you know, then you could dispute that.
03:37:05.000And you could say, well, no, because here's an instance where it didn't cause war.
03:37:10.000Here's an instance where it's resolved diplomatically.
03:37:13.000So you can't say closing shipping lanes causes war.
03:37:17.000So you have to say something like closing and fighting to make it less specific.
03:37:36.000So you have to say something like, you know, closing and fighting over shipping lanes is part, is part of why, is part of why people go to war.
03:37:54.000So let's make it even less specific and let's say, well, it's not, it's not just closing shipping lanes.
03:38:00.000It's any disputes involving shipping lanes are why people go to war.
03:38:04.000Well, but that's not always the whole thing.
03:38:07.000Um, it's, it's part of why people go to war.
03:38:12.000And then you add in, then you add in these other words.
03:38:15.000So you add in these, like, this is the weasel words.
03:39:33.000Let's make this in caps though, so you can see.
03:39:42.000And this is the destiny guide to debating, okay?
03:39:47.000Because he's trying to make a claim about the Suez Canal crisis or about the 1967 war, and he's saying that closing the Suez Canal and blocking off the Strait of Tehran, he says, that necessitated Israel to go to war with Egypt in both cases, because that is a cause for war.
03:40:09.000Now, what his claim is, is that disputes... And the guy says, well, I don't know if I agree.
03:40:14.000I don't know if I agree that Nasser closing the Strait of Tiran, I don't know if that necessarily justifies Israel's war.
03:41:52.000So you have this, like, appeal to... You have this appeal to consensus.
03:42:00.000Everyone believes a blockade Necessitates and justifies Preemptive wars because that's what it is.
03:42:12.000We're not talking about any we're talking about a preemptive offensive war So first he says well, maybe maybe you have your counter-argument, but no one believes your counter-argument, which is not a real argument
03:42:28.000Your answer there is ahistorical, and throughout all of history.
03:43:04.000Throughout all of history, since the beginning of time, throughout all of history, the closing and fighting over shipping lanes has absolutely been huge parts about why we go to war with people and why people go to war.
03:43:16.000Now, again, what's the actual meaning in here?
03:46:00.000Even though you're obfuscating, even though you're not really saying anything, you're just absolutely certain of it, and I know I'm kind of blocking this right now.
03:48:48.000But, you know, these idiots that watch this stream, you know, they hear shit like, throughout all of history, and absolutely huge, and they're like, oh yeah, sounds good to me.
03:49:01.000We disagree on it's not of great interest to me.
03:51:45.000That's where Israel expanded their territory in three directions, right?
03:51:49.000Now it's just like, this is a guy who clearly has no idea what he's talking about, so now he's just like throwing out things we already know.
03:51:58.000What History Speaks is saying is, okay, when it comes to the moral case about Israel versus Palestine, the actual precipitating causes of the war aren't actually that important.
03:52:09.000He goes, wait, but the 1967 war was important!
03:56:54.000They want as much territory as possible.
03:57:15.000And then we keep getting away from that, like he tried like before, before this ridiculous bullshit.
03:57:22.000History Speaks said, okay, but actually it's about the fact that Israel wants to expand.
03:57:27.000And he said, erm, but actually closing, closing shipping lanes is a cause for war.
03:57:32.000And he said, yeah, well, actually I'm less interested in that.
03:57:35.000I'm more interested about the moral justification, erm, but the Suez Canal crisis, about the Suez Canal, the 67 war was important.
03:57:43.000And it keeps coming back to, Destiny doesn't want to have the conversation about the fact that Zionists want to expand.
03:57:50.000Like, in other words, the idea that there are causes for the war other than the nominal causes, he doesn't want to have that discussion.
03:57:59.000The idea that potentially the so-called justification for war is a pretext, he's not interested in that.
03:58:06.000But that's the debate that History Speaks is trying to have.
03:58:09.000He's saying that be that as it may, that Nasser closed the Suez Canal, be it that it...
03:58:15.000What is it, be it as it may, that he closed the Strait of Tiran?
03:58:19.000He said, the Israelis are using these as opportunities to expand because they have an ideological agenda which is maximal Jewish territory.
03:59:30.000Hussein said he would invade, and then he was like, ah, fuck it.
03:59:34.000Did Hussein say, ah, fuck it, or was Nasser hugely popular and visited Amman, and when he did, the Jordanian king realized that Nasser was more popular than he was, so he had to join Nasser's war.
04:01:49.000So, History Speaks says that the Jewish leaders have talked about taking over all of Palestine for a hundred years.
04:01:58.000Now let's hear what Destiny's Rebuttal is.
04:02:00.000So he's saying, if you're following these two arguments, History Speaks, and this would be my position as well, is that clearly the Zionists, from the beginning, from the late 19th century, had an intention of taking over all of Palestine.
04:02:14.000And there are very extreme elements inside the Israeli government, maximalists, and they wanted everything even east of the Jordan River.
04:02:24.000They wanted even what's now the state of Jordan.
04:02:28.000You know, some want Iraq and the Sinai and some want all of it.
04:02:34.000And so what history speaks is saying that when Israel goes to war in 56 and when they go to war in 67,
04:02:41.000The reason that they give for the war is a pretext they want to expand.
04:02:45.000When Israel seizes the Sinai and Israel seizes the Golan and the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, this is part of their long plan, which is to take over that entire territory.
04:02:56.000Not necessarily Sinai, but Golan they still have, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank they still occupy.
04:03:02.000And so the point is that Israel is not fighting defensive wars, although they're being put in
04:03:33.000When we talk about the people in the Gaza Strip and whether they feel justified in attacking Israel, Destiny's argument is that there is no legitimate grievance against Israel.
04:04:03.000And so, in other words, the argument about Israel-Palestine comes down to, you know, who has legitimate claim, who has legitimate grievance.
04:04:11.000And Destiny says the Muslims have no legitimate grievance because there has never been an agenda to deprive them of their land.
04:04:19.000The counterargument is that the Israelis
04:04:23.000have antagonized and provoked the entire muslim world by settling and taking the land and then expanding and be and by the way being a very provocative state and conducting assassinations and and sending like bombing syria and doing all these kinds of things putting civilian settlements in the west bank since 1967
04:04:52.000And so that's the argument is, is Israel a state that is hated for being Jewish and they have to defend themselves?
04:04:59.000Or are they a belligerent actor in the region, they have this agenda, it has alienated them from these other countries, and these other countries have legitimate beef with Israel?
04:05:09.000That's why he keeps coming back to it and saying, well, but the Zionists from the beginning had an agenda to take Judea and Samaria as the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.
04:06:40.000So you've talked about international norms and so on to try to justify the 67 more.
04:06:44.000Surely you'd agree that the fourth, if you've been reading up on this, and this is the United States position for decades before Trump, that Israel's settlement in the occupied territories in breach of UN 242, which they had agreed to, you would surely agree that this
04:10:54.000Well, Israel agreed to leave, or I should say stop, expanding civilian settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip until surrounding Arab countries normalize ties.
04:11:03.000Oh, but only Egypt and Jordan normalize ties.
04:11:47.000I don't know what the agreement is going to look like on giving that territory back, but historically, one, during the Six Day War... And then Destiny goes, okay, fine.
04:11:56.000Again, he would be forgiven for not knowing that because Camp David, and he didn't get to Camp David, and normalization of Jordan happened 20 years later.
04:12:06.000So... Destiny can be forgiven for not knowing that because in his...
04:12:21.000I don't know what the agreement is going to look like on giving that territory back, but historically, one, during the Six-Day War, the West Bank was used to stage war against Israel, okay?
04:12:29.000Not just during the Six-Day War, but in the decades prior to that, with Palestinian attacks
04:12:34.000Back and forth coming from that territory right number one So that's so that's Israel's justification of the six-day war for capturing it for quote-unquote security concerns Okay, number two all of this territory from the western part of Jordan has been used to attack Israel, right?
04:12:50.000That's where the PLO started PLO got so big and violent there led by Arafat They literally tried to assassinate Hussein twice and they tried to- Where has the PLO died since 2005?
04:14:30.000If you would agree that closing a shipping route constitutes an act of war, that's a sufficient
04:14:37.000Cossus Belli, he says then, what about the West Bank?
04:14:42.000In the West Bank, Israel has not only militarily occupied the West Bank since 1967, but they've also put civilian settlements, meaning they don't just have the military controlling the security of the West Bank, but they also have civilians coming in and buying land and creating communities.
04:14:58.000Which, by the way, that's like the definition of a colony.
04:15:02.000That'd be like if when the United States invades Iraq, Americans start moving there and creating communities and saying this is now part of the United States.
04:15:12.000That'd be like if we invaded Afghanistan and the United States was sending Americans to go and build condominiums and suburban housing projects and they started saying this is now an American city.
04:15:26.000So, civilian settlements, again, and History Speaks says it and it's true, this is internationally condemned by the United Nations, this is against American policy, it's been the position of every American president since 67 to condemn the civilian settlements, and it's by definition a war crime.
04:15:44.000So History Speaks says, if closing the Strait of Tehran is a war crime, then civilian settlements in the West Bank are a war crime by definition.
04:15:55.000And therefore, that gives these other countries a right to go to war with Israel.
04:16:00.000So, Destiny jumps in and says, and he tries to muddle the waters about 242.
04:16:05.000And this is again where the debating sophistry comes in, because HS also says, he says, well, Israel agreed in UN 242 to leave the West Bank.
04:16:23.000Stephen Bonnell, Stephen Bunnell, says, but UN 242 also said that Arab countries must recognize Israel.
04:16:39.000HS says, well, but Jordan and Egypt, which occupied the West Bank and Gaza, oops,
04:18:01.000says, well, if closing the Strait of Tiran constitutes an act of war, you'd agree that civilian settlements in the West Bank, which are a legal war crime, also constitutes an act of war.
04:18:10.000And then he adds on, and this was unnecessary, this should not have been said, he said, but Israel agreed, and also Israel even agreed,
04:18:44.000Because what history speaks is saying he's drawing a comparison and making an if-then statement.
04:18:49.000If in your opinion, if in your normative opinion, it is wrong for Nasser to close the Strait of Tiran and shut down or nationalize the Suez Canal, if that justifies war by Israel, well, the occupied territories constitutes a war crime because civilian settlements are by definition a war crime.
04:20:15.000Because he isolates this part and introduces new information to make HS look bad and says, well, but didn't that also have another stipulation which was met?
04:20:24.000And he says, well, yes, Jordan and Egypt did recognize Israel.
04:21:21.000And if all war crimes justify preemptive wars, then Israel's occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip justifies war by the Palestinians.
04:21:32.000He picks out this part and asks a question, which he doesn't know the answer to, and then dismisses it when he hears it.
04:21:39.000And then he just blows right past and says, OK, but Israel says they're in the West Bank because the West Bank was used to stage attacks against Israel.
04:21:48.000Okay, but even if the West Bank, and it's true, but since the West Bank is used as a staging ground to attack Israel, then you militarily occupy the West Bank.
04:21:58.000It doesn't mean that it's not a war crime to put civilian settlements.
04:22:02.000If you put in civilian settlements, they're not going to help.
04:22:04.000How does putting civilian settlements in the West Bank prevent the West Bank from being used as a staging ground?
04:22:11.000It's about the military occupation, the military occupation, which nobody has an issue with that.
04:22:40.000And then he just jumps into information that's totally extraneous and says, uh, well, they had used the West Bank and the PLO is so bad that they almost killed the King of Jordan.
04:24:02.000PLO violence is actually down since 2005.
04:24:08.000Therefore, why does Israel expand settlements in the West Bank?
04:24:21.000In other words, if Israel has to do civilian settlements in the West Bank, which is nonsensical, then why would they expand settlements when the violence is abating?
04:24:30.000If the violence is going down, the settlements are going up.
04:26:51.000But I do know that from the Six-Day War before and onward, the West Bank was a very good staging area for lots of attacks into Israel, right?
04:26:59.000I'm going to guess that if I keep reading, that probably continues to be the case to some extent.
04:27:24.000And I'll scroll up here so you can see.
04:27:25.000But so- this is the second part where he lost.
04:27:34.000So History Speaks says, you would agree that if closing- since you- since closing the Strait of Tiran constitutes an act of war in your mind,
04:27:43.000Then the war crime of the civilian settlements is also an act of war.
04:27:50.000Even Israel agreed that it's an act of war.
04:27:52.000Or rather, even Israel agreed to leave and evacuate those settlements.
04:28:24.000Okay, but what is the PLO done since 2005 and there and therefore because the settlements have been an ongoing problem from 67 to today So in other words, he's saying yeah, maybe the PLO was a problem from 1948 to 67 and afterward
04:28:42.000But what have they done in the last 18 years?
04:28:45.000In other words, if civilian settlements are justified by the barbarity of the PLO, where's the PLO been for 18 years?
04:28:53.000Settlements keep coming, but the PLO has disappeared.
04:29:04.000History Speaks says, okay, so settlement expansion for 18 years, since 2005, is justified because of what the PLO did in the 60s and before?
04:29:47.000He's just restating the thing that he said before, which is debunked.
04:29:53.000Well, uh, I don't, I really don't know what I'm talking about.
04:29:56.000I can't answer your counter-argument, so I'll just restate what I said before, and I'll take it a step further, and I'll just make a guess.
04:30:04.000I'm going to guess that later on, probably, that will continue to some extent, but maybe not.
04:30:11.000I'm like, so then you get these more, so then you get more weasel words.
04:30:15.000So on this one, you get one, I don't know, two, restate,
04:30:23.000Restate the argument and then three wild guess I'll guess I'll guess that I'm probably right to some extent But maybe not That's the argument that that's your argument I
04:30:55.000So let's just rewrite the whole thing.
04:30:57.000Let's just structure it without all the noise.
04:32:00.000Well, it's really, it's all one point, but it's an if-then statement.
04:32:07.000Let's leave it just like that, I guess.
04:32:15.000So Destiny replies and says, so let's just delete this part about UN-242, because that's just as irrelevant.
04:32:26.000So then, what Destiny's Argument basically is, is that, well, civilian settlements are justified because the PLO used the West Bank as a staging ground 1967 and before.
04:32:57.000Okay, and then HS says, okay, well, settlements have been going on since 2005, but the DLO hasn't done anything.
04:33:15.000Well, and then Destiny just says, well, I don't know what has happened since 1967.
04:33:29.000some extent probably it's the same but maybe not it's like that's so this is this is really the argument i mean when you and that that's why you have to stop and break it down i know maybe this seems like tedious okay i'll admit this is really tedious
04:33:47.000But the point is, is that when you slow it down, and you actually, like, think about what is being said, like, the content, not just the words, like, absolutely huge, throughout all of history, to some extent, probably, maybe not, when you actually just break it down, this is what is being said.
04:34:06.000This has not been answered, by the way.
04:34:11.000If Israel is justified in preemptive war because of the blockade of the strait, then Palestine is justified because of the civilian settlements.
04:34:18.000The rest has nothing even to do with this.
04:34:21.000And unfortunately, HS just engages anyway.
04:34:48.000Civilian settlements are the war crime.
04:34:49.000He says, well, you know, whatever Israel does is justified because of the PLO.
04:34:54.000And this is where the devil is in the details.
04:35:00.000And he's basically arguing on the basis that because there is a hostility towards Israel, because there have been wars in the past, Israel can do whatever it wants.
04:35:11.000Israel can militarily occupy, Israel can do civilian settlements.
04:36:28.000You say you're not taking a position, but you are.
04:36:31.000You say you don't know what you're talking about, but yet you act as though you do.
04:36:35.000And then, when you make a wild conjecture based on knowledge that you don't have, you use weasel words to sort of obfuscate that that's what you're doing.
04:38:28.000It was just like some white girl from Brooklyn coming there and getting a house and kicking the people off by buying it or by some kind of fake government thing saying,
04:38:39.000The indigenous people have committed some kind of offense.
04:38:43.000Why are civilian settlements in the West Bank good for Israel's security?
04:38:49.000It seems to me, obviously, about taking the land.
04:38:52.000Again, I'm not current on this, but my huge intuition, educated guess, I guess, is
04:39:03.000I don't know what I'm talking about, but what my huge intuition and educated guess.
04:39:08.000How is it an educated guess if you don't know?
04:39:41.000None of my, well I don't care if it's a war crime, none of my calculus has anything to do with that, but he said that Israel was justified in their preemptive war in 67 because it was a war crime!
04:40:28.000You mentioned closing waterways has been a historical norm for war, and now- now international law doesn't matter.
04:40:34.000It's- no, no, I'm just saying that, like, when I'm looking at, like, justifications for either side, what I'm thinking of is like a- like a war crime or not.
04:40:40.000It's not, like, I'm just trying to look at the reality of the situation on the ground.
04:40:48.000Let's- let's play that back in 0.75 and write it down, and let's see how fucking stupid that sounds when you don't say it with any confidence.
04:41:15.000I'm just saying that when I'm looking at justifications for either side, what I'm thinking of is like a war crime or not.
04:41:23.000I'm just trying to look at the reality of the situation.
04:41:26.000Even when he's... It sounds like when he's losing, he talks faster, so you don't really hear what he's saying and how stupid it is.
04:41:34.000This area has to do with what we consider to be, like, a war zone.
04:41:43.000You mentioned closing waterways has been a historical norm for war, and now international law doesn't matter.
04:41:56.000It's no no I'm just saying that like when I'm looking at like justifications for either side what I'm thinking of is like like a war crime or not is not like I'm just trying to look at the reality of the situation.
04:42:13.000Well I'm gonna have to literally go to whoops is there a transcript?
04:43:04.000No, I'm just saying that like when I'm looking at like justifications for either side what I'm thinking of is like a like a war crime or not is like I'm just trying to look at the reality of the situation on the ground.
04:43:38.000I'm just saying that, like, when I'm looking at, like, justifications for either side, what I'm thinking of is, like, a war crime or not is, like, I'm just trying to look at the reality of the situation on the ground.
04:44:16.000I'm just saying that, like, when I'm looking at, like, justifications for either side, what I'm thinking of is, like, uh, like a war crime or not is, like, uh, it's not like I'm just trying to look at, like, the reality of the situation on the ground.
04:44:38.000I thought there was a deep contradiction at the center of your argument, but it turns out that that is actually the case.
04:44:48.000Oh, I thought that there is a deep, fundamental contradiction at the core of your argument, but no, but you cleared that all up with what you just said.
04:45:13.000Can somebody clip just that part of this and post it on Twitter?
04:45:31.000...and maybe the part that preceded it.
04:45:39.000...historical norm for war, and now, now... ...calculus in this area has to do with what we consider to be like... ...you mentioned closing waterways... ...like 2655, if you could clip it from like 2655 to 2707?
04:45:57.000It's been a historical norm for war, and now, now international law doesn't matter.
04:46:02.000It's, no no, I'm just saying that like, when I'm looking at like, justifications for either side, what I'm thinking of is like a, like a war crime or not, is not, like, I'm just trying to look at the reality of the situation on the ground.
04:46:11.000Like for in- I could just play this over and over again.
04:46:16.000Calculus in this area has to do with what we consider to be like, a war crime.
04:46:20.000You mentioned closing waterways has been a historical norm for war, and now, now international law doesn't matter.
04:46:27.000No, no, I'm just saying that, like, when I'm looking at, like, justifications for either side, what I'm thinking of is, like, a war crime or not, is not, like, I'm just trying to look at the reality of the situation on the ground.
04:46:36.000Like, for instance, it might be the case that if Israel stops committing everything that you would consider a war crime, that the next day Israel is eliminated from the face of the earth because the entire Arab League decides we're going to come back and destroy them as a country, right?
04:46:48.000In which case, Israel's probably not very motivated to think, like, well, what we're doing in terms of this military occupation of these controlled territories, and saying, so that's a war crime.
04:47:02.000Oh my gosh, dude, this guy is so dumb.
04:47:06.000All right, I'm gonna wrap this up in a minute because I've got to cover the debate in like an hour.
04:47:11.000I want to take a little break because I've been streaming for a long time and I got to come back here in like one hour to do the... I've been streaming for five hours and I'm gonna be doing the... what time is the debate?
04:47:32.000Okay, so I'm gonna be coming back in one hour So tune in here on rumble because I'll be coming back here on rumble in one hour To watch the third GOP presidential debate.
04:47:43.000Okay, so I'm gonna wrap this stream up in a minute and I'm gonna take a quick break and then I'll be right back to cover the debate and
04:47:52.000I'll read the if there's any super chats.
04:47:54.000I don't know if there are but if there's super chats, I'll read them real quick But I just want to point out Like this.
04:48:00.000This is the last thing I'll say I'll just cover this part.
04:48:02.000I think it's a good stopping point You mentioned closing waterways has been a historical norm that justifies war now international law doesn't matter and
04:48:14.000No, I'm saying that, like, when I'm looking at, like, justifications for either side, what I'm thinking of is, like, a war crime or not is, like, I'm just trying to look at the reality of the situation on the ground.
04:48:24.000He says that, um... Let me play it back.
04:48:28.000He said, if the Arab League... If the Arab League goes to war with Israel to kill them all, then they're not worried about what's a war crime.
04:48:38.000It's, like, that is... It doesn't resolve the contradiction.
04:48:43.000I'm just trying to look at the reality of the situation on the ground.
04:48:45.000Like for instance, it might be the case that if Israel stops committing everything that you would consider a war crime.
04:48:52.000If Israel stops committing war crimes.
04:48:56.000That the next day Israel is eliminated from the face of the earth.
04:48:59.000The next day Israel is eliminated from the face of the earth.
04:49:04.000Literally, that's literally what he just said.
04:49:07.000If Israel stops committing war crimes.
04:49:14.000It will be eliminated from the face of the earth.
04:49:31.000Because the entire Arab League decides we're going to come back and destroy them as a country, right?
04:49:40.000And then, more weasel words, probably.
04:49:41.000In which case, Israel is probably not very motivated.
04:52:33.000Did he dismantle it when he was confronted with a glaring contradiction and said, I'm just saying that like when I'm looking at like justifications for either side, what I'm thinking of is like a, like a war crime or not.
04:52:42.000It's not like I'm just trying to look at the reality of the situation.
04:59:16.000boom yep got it yeah little clue like that and the game's over because i'm i'm really good at this let's see this is uh this is mexico this is spain this is spain not mexico this is italy it's already no it's south america no it's uh okay well
05:10:21.000I don't know if I even feel that way anymore.
05:10:23.000Because the more that I watch of him, and I never watch anything from him, but lately I've been watching his content a little bit, and he's so ignorant.
05:10:32.000So I don't even know if I feel that way.
05:10:34.000I used to say, well, he's the king of the left, and he does his homework, but now that I see what he has to say, I'm like, no, this guy doesn't know anything.
05:16:59.000Because I feel like a lot of gay and trans people, and even a lot of other immoral people, or who have embraced an immoral lifestyle, they never try.
05:18:18.000Evil in the world and people will give in to evil in its many forms and That's why we have confession.
05:18:28.000That's why we have repentance That's why Jesus died on the cross if we could perfect ourselves on earth We wouldn't need the cross if we could if we could lift ourselves up to God Then Christ wouldn't have to draw us up on the cross with him But he did that
05:19:34.000And there's all the difference in the world between trying your best and failing and asking for forgiveness and saying that we're okay with failing and failing is fine because it's going to happen regardless.
05:23:00.000I feel like if you understand kind of where the physical world is in the order of the universe, you know, the world versus heaven, it's like, well, we're never gonna be in heaven.
05:24:35.000And I feel like nobody debates destiny other than me, successfully.
05:24:42.000But I don't even know if debating him is as productive as just going through the debates and breaking down what he's saying.
05:24:50.000And as I laid out, when you really put it on paper, because that's all we did.
05:24:53.000All we did is just write down what he said.
05:24:56.000All we did was write it down and do a close reading of what he meant,
05:25:01.000Like when he says, throughout the history of the world, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
05:25:04.000It's like, okay, let's just take out these filler words and let's just, let's extract the meaning, which is sometimes in war or sometimes closing, closing a shipping lane is the cost of his belly.
05:26:34.000So, we have to choose God because God is what's best for us.
05:26:41.000You know, so it's not just like do what God says for some arbitrary reason like we have to live up to a standard just because or let's create a standard.
05:26:50.000Even I would say creating a civilization that our ancestors would be proud of.
05:26:54.000I feel like even that's arbitrary because if you were a materialist, who would even care?
05:27:06.000So that's you have to get the foundation right which is that you know, it's the Nicene Creed we believe in God That's the beginning Okay, that's our last super chat.
05:27:17.000That's gonna do it for me Thanks for watching.
05:27:20.000I hope you enjoyed I'm literally gonna be I'm gonna take like a 10 minute break and then I'm gonna be back I'll be back in like 20 minutes and then I'm gonna cover the