00:01:03.000Well, I've been, you know, we're both into the whole nationalist right wing stuff, but one of the things I haven't covered too much on my channel is religion and Christianity.
00:01:17.000I've done one video on that, but I wanted to get you on because I saw on Twitter you were causing a bit of a ruckus with your tweets about Christianity.
00:01:32.000Now, I was just impressed because you didn't back down on that.
00:01:45.000Basically, the tweet was saying, you know, we need Christianity to preserve the West.
00:01:52.000I don't see any way that we're going to win this war, this current, without getting people back into the churches and such.
00:02:05.000So, and I also think that you're a good person to talk to because, you know, a lot of people will say the church today is cocked, right?
00:03:49.000I'm not positive, but it was an article called Esoteric Keckism.
00:03:53.000And it's sort of a stale meme now, but they went into detail about how meme magic actually makes sense from a spiritual lens in the sense that.
00:04:02.000Individual memes are supposed to convey very large ideas, and this has its traditions in Buddhism.
00:04:08.000This has its traditions all over the place.
00:04:11.000And it struck me one day when I was thinking about this meme magic, when I was thinking about Pepe, I was thinking about this idea that we could meme civilizational transformation into existence, and I thought there's a real parallel there with Christianity.
00:04:25.000And it sort of bewildered me that nobody saw this before, that people think a prayer, an incantation, is a silly thing.
00:04:33.000But a meme totally makes sense, right?
00:04:35.000And they have rituals for memes and they have all these other things for memes.
00:05:26.000I found the Kekistan thing kind of fascinating because people latched onto this, you know, like Sargon of Akkad was really pushing this, and you get people who took it really seriously, but, you know, it.
00:05:41.000It was obviously just meant to be fun, and yet people are just going around and they're wearing Kekstani flags and they're painting their face green or whatever.
00:05:54.000And yet, Christianity is supposed to be the weird superstition like, oh, that's just so lame or something like that.
00:06:06.000And I don't know, maybe that's just because, oh, my parents were Christians, so that's.
00:06:15.000I definitely, and I've fallen into that trap too.
00:06:17.000It's like I've had thoughts myself, like, hey, I could just create a new religion.
00:06:23.000It's like, wow, you know, and I could find the truth.
00:06:26.000But I think as I've gotten older, I realized that taking what has, you know, been built up through the ages and adding on to that in whatever minor way, I mean, I'm never going to write volumes like Thomas Aquinas or anything, but.
00:06:48.000You know, I think we can all play a part.
00:07:16.000Like you're a goth, like you belong to this clique, and that's whatever it is.
00:07:23.000But race, I think people get psychologically messed up because you can't choose your race.
00:07:31.000You just gotta accept whatever it is, and you just gotta learn to love yourself for that, and obviously not be beaten down and cowed and everything because of whatever race you are.
00:07:50.000But, yeah, I think for that reason, Christianity and the bigger religions fit in as long as we're trying to save the West, which we're talking mostly about Caucasians, whites, Europeans.
00:08:13.000It makes sense that that would go hand in hand with Christianity.
00:08:22.000Where they think the fervor will come to rebuild civilization, if not from religion.
00:08:27.000You know, Richard Spencer and some of these other characters, they think that we're all going to band together around this pretty arbitrary, pretty ahistorical conception of the European race.
00:08:40.000I mean, people, I don't think people have really put a whole lot of thought into this.
00:08:44.000If you want people to be traditional again, to have a big family again, to have lots of children, to fight against these great evils, these great injustices, and everything else, to rebuild their communities, To say that the church plays a part in that or the church should not be part of that conversation, it's just silly.
00:09:02.000These are people who are fundamentally unserious about what they're talking about.
00:09:08.000I don't understand how you get from point A to point B, how you get from our civilization now to the imperium, to the ethnostate transplanetary imperium without Christ, without religion, without these traditions that made our civilization great.
00:09:24.000You know, all these people will point to.
00:09:26.000The great cathedrals, they'll point to the great works of art, the great scientific achievements, and all of them were achieved in pursuit of glorifying God.
00:09:35.000They were all pursued out of religious fervor.
00:09:39.000And additionally, you know, if we could come back to it, it's the mimetic power of religion.
00:09:43.000People, I think, intuitively understand mimetic power, and they understood that during the election that if you get enough people channeling sort of this unconscious energy, channeling their will in a given direction, I think it's easy for progressives and modernists to wrap their head around this concept when it's.
00:10:01.000Internet culture, when it's memes, when it's keck, when it's Pepe.
00:10:05.000And while that's silly now and that's become pretty cringy civic nationalist stuff, I think it's a concept that is, again, it has a strong parallel in religion, where we see with Jesus Christ, where we see with Christianity, that you have this direction of a billion people and the will of a billion people directed towards a single book, towards a single set of virtues, towards a single set of morals and everything else.
00:10:30.000To say that that's not going to be a part of it, that because What, because we got one bad pope, we should disregard it?
00:10:39.000Of course, Christianity will play an instrumental role in saving the country.
00:10:43.000Without it, I don't see why people are getting out of bed in the morning, you know?
00:10:50.000Yeah, and, you know, a lot of these people, you mentioned Spencer and whatnot, they're very critical of Jews, which are, you know, we can just say it.
00:12:12.000It's funny to me because that would be.
00:12:16.000That would be the first instinct of people who haven't read about this stuff, who haven't read the Bible, haven't read things about what actually went down 2,000 years ago.
00:12:29.000But if you know the story, you know that it was actually the Jewish rabbis who were responsible for his crucifixion who alerted the Romans to his activities and got him killed in the first place.
00:12:52.000And, you know, you could read there's a really good book about this called Judaism's Strange Gods, where it talks about how, in addition to that, modern news has strayed so far from Scripture, so far from the Old Testament and what's actually in there with the Talmud and the rabbinical teachings.
00:13:10.000But in addition to that, it's funny because Richard Spencer, so ironic, because the same people that support Richard Spencer, that love Richard Spencer, who would call Jesus a Jew and it's a Jewish trick, Who was Richard Spencer's mentor?
00:14:29.000And so I see this, I don't see this as like some, I think, you know, to quote Nietzsche, like revenge that the Jews, that revenge that's taken 2,000 years just to accomplish.
00:14:50.000And you guys, you're just oblivious because you don't see it.
00:14:56.000Maybe I'm misinterpreting him, but that's kind of what he was saying.
00:15:00.000And I see it more as like a challenge for us, guys.
00:15:07.000We have to take this and find the wisdom in it and not let the parts that can go too far, like, oh, Jesus wanted us to help the poor.
00:15:23.000So that means we have to help all these welfare moms.
00:15:28.000And we have to just like give over everything that we make.
00:15:33.000You know, people just, they misconstrue a lot of the teachings of Christ.
00:15:41.000So, yeah, I think that if any, like, even if it is a Jewish trick, which I think you could make an argument that it is, that doesn't necessarily mean we just do away with it.
00:15:59.000You know, it's like, I want to see us play a trick on them for once.
00:16:05.000You know, it's like, why do they always have to be the ones who are, you know, like, being sneaky and, like, you know, subverting us and everything?
00:16:14.000It's like, Well, hey, maybe we could use this, and they'd think they have us right where they want us.
00:16:29.000Yeah, well, not for nothing, but not only, but the broader establishment, the broader global establishment, whether it's the Federal Reserve, the media, the government, Hollywood, there is really a satanic and anti Christian culture.
00:16:50.000You know, whether that's a Jewish establishment or an atheist establishment, I mean, there's all kinds of people that are involved in this affair, and certainly Jews have an outside presence in media and some of these other spheres.
00:17:04.000But there is this incredible hostility to Christianity, and you have to ask yourself if you're one of the nationalists fighting against the system, fighting against the globalists, fighting against the New World Order, you have to ask yourself, why would you have the same hostility?
00:17:19.000Why would you have the same antipathy towards religion?
00:17:23.000Why do they resent Jesus Christ so much?
00:17:25.000Why have they driven Jesus and religion at large out of the church, out of, or not out of the church, but out of the schools, out of the public square, out of the public domain, off of television, out of culture?
00:17:36.000You have to ask yourself why they've been so determined to destroy that as an institution in our lives.
00:17:42.000And I think once you answer that question, you realize that it has tremendous utility, tremendous power to unite our people and unite our people around positive, Good things that will destroy the influence that the establishment has.
00:17:58.000People will point to how Christianity is sclaven morale.
00:18:02.000In the words of Nietzsche, how it's a morality of weakness that celebrates slavery.
00:18:09.000And you understand that criticism, but at the same time, you look at how Christianity fortifies a civilization, how Christianity encourages strong families headed by a strong father with a subservient wife, with lots of children who respect their parents, who respect tradition, who respect rituals, and on and on.
00:18:28.000I don't understand how people can take all of that and say, no, we don't like that.
00:18:36.000My dad or my mom, boomer cucks, believe in that stuff, so I'm just going to write off the whole thing.
00:18:59.000And I said, okay, well then, if there's too much of an effort to rehabilitate Christianity, I think we could say the same for the white race, right?
00:19:07.000It's old, it's lame, forget about it, who cares, it'll go away.
00:19:11.000You know, there's that double standard there.
00:19:13.000And it's people that just don't know enough about the subject that criticize it.
00:19:18.000People that just don't know enough about it, they know one thing, they know that Jesus is Jewish, and they have heard some things before about that, so they say, writing it off.
00:19:28.000I heard Nietzsche said that was slave morality, so it's.
00:19:47.000My understanding was he's not like anti Christian, or he wasn't just declaring that, uh, like the famous quote is God is dead, but he just, he, I think he just more wanted us to grapple with it.
00:20:01.000Um, I wanted to point out you've got some great debating skills.
00:20:04.000Have you been taking lessons from, uh, Will Chamberlain by Nietzsche?
00:21:13.000So, yeah, a lot of people, they're just doing what they're told and what they're allowed to do within the structure that they're in.
00:21:23.000And if you just say, okay, you're on your own, you know, go do what you want, and, you know, hopefully you'll do the right thing, you know, but we don't want to impose anything on you.
00:21:38.000Well, don't be surprised when these nefarious.
00:21:41.000Elements of society start leading people down the sinful paths, really.
00:21:48.000And I also just, you know, I like that Christianity talks about good and evil and they confront that straight on.
00:22:00.000And so I think when you start to remove these elements, it's hard to even judge, like, how bad things will get from that.
00:22:13.000You know, it causes this ripple effect.
00:22:15.000Also, like, you think about some of these black churches, and I have to think that Christianity has done a lot of good for black people.
00:22:27.000So I kind of wanted to get your thoughts on, because I'm a little torn on this question of whether Christians should be, you know, proselytizing around the world.
00:22:41.000Like, you know, I really, myself, I'm focused on my own people.
00:22:47.000But I do see that Christianity can do a lot of good.
00:22:55.000I think maybe it's sort of like a technology, you know.
00:22:58.000So, yes, white men or Jewish men, like, created this thing.
00:23:04.000And it's a technology now that other people can use.
00:23:08.000At the same time, I don't like the idea of us, like, exporting things to other countries because that's turned out terrible in the past.
00:23:17.000Do you think that we should try to spread Christianity as a.
00:23:22.000Religion around the world to other races and cultures.
00:23:29.000And you have to separate that from the missionary duty of Christians to spread our religion around the world from the nationalist political duty to save our country.
00:23:43.000I don't think the two are mutually exclusive.
00:23:45.000In fact, they're very different from one another in the sense that it's all the difference in the world between bringing people over here, between bringing Mexicans and Africans and everyone else over here to invade our country and to send a missionary over to Africa because you.
00:24:01.000You want to share the truth with them.
00:24:03.000You want to share the good word, as they say.
00:24:05.000You know, I don't think there's any difference between religious truth in that sense and scientific truth or mathematical truth.
00:24:12.000We share our technology with Africans in Africa or with Asians in Indochina and other places.
00:24:19.000We share our truths with South America and other countries.
00:24:22.000I don't think religion is any different.
00:24:24.000It's just a matter of there has to be this separation.
00:24:27.000There has to be this is America, this is Europe, and that is Africa and that's Asia.
00:24:33.000However, You know, the truth is universal.
00:24:36.000We can have it all ways where we can have different nations, but all being Christian, all understanding the same truth.
00:24:42.000And this is pretty intuitive, but people, I think, they are openly hostile to this idea.
00:24:48.000I don't think they allow themselves to see this because they've already been sold, they've already bought into and invested in this narrative that Christianity is universalist and therefore it does not fit in with the philosophy of difference, which is essentially the alt right brand of conservatism, which.
00:25:06.000I don't think there's a lot of processing power.
00:25:09.000Either you're not considering it or you're not smart enough to consider that sort of thing.
00:25:14.000And I think we see a lot of that on the alt right is a refusal to consider a more nuanced understanding of the doctrine.
00:25:23.000Yeah, as we were talking about the missionary thing, I remembered Martin Scorsese did a great film called Silence.
00:25:37.000It's like these two Catholic priests, I think, go to Japan and they're trying to infiltrate.
00:25:51.000Well, I think there have been missionaries in the past and they set up this community, and then one of them gets caught and says that he has given up his religion because the emperor basically made him give up his religion.
00:26:11.000But then at the end, there's like this ambiguous thing, like he held on to some token symbol, and you know, there's some ambiguity.
00:27:27.000I think one of the crucial ones that's important to.
00:27:31.000The nationalist movement is obviously the Tower of Babel.
00:27:35.000That's probably the first example that comes to mind.
00:27:38.000And I believe there's a passage in Revelations as well that talks about how the nations of the world will exist until the end of time, essentially, until the second coming.
00:27:49.000So I'm not sure exactly which one that is.
00:28:05.000You know, you look at Christianity from the time of the fourth century when it was adopted in the Roman Empire until very, very recently, and there was no question as to whether or not Christianity condoned borders.
00:28:19.000People conveniently like to forget about the fact that for 1700 years, for actually probably closer to 1500 years, Christianity upheld indisputably, uncontestedly borders and European Christendom.
00:28:35.000It wasn't like that that was some kind of like Christian revelation that.
00:28:38.000We don't need to have borders anymore.
00:28:41.000So I think it's very convenient that people read it out that beyond the theological case for borders that's laid out in several places in the Bible, in addition, you have a thousand or more, a thousand and a half years of history that suggest that the two are fundamentally not incompatible.
00:28:58.000And actually, one would support the other.
00:29:01.000We know that Christendom had borders and walls in the Vatican, on the outer periphery of the Holy Roman Empire, in the Balkans.
00:29:26.000So, what do you think about the Dark Ages then?
00:29:33.000I mean, there is this kind of myth that, oh, you know, things fell apart as soon as Christianity took hold and after.
00:29:44.000After the pagan Roman Empire had fallen, and then we got into this, you know, terrible period.
00:29:54.000There's actually a good book on this topic before I hand it over to you.
00:30:00.000It's called, I think it's called The Victory of Reason, but it sort of talks about the Dark Ages and exposes this myth like, oh, yeah, it was just a terrible time.
00:30:12.000We didn't have a lot of the, uh, You know, standard of living exactly, but there were a lot of inventions that were taking place then, like, I don't know, the like farming inventions, like the plow and stuff, like major things that laid the groundwork for everything that came after that.
00:30:36.000And it was all the church, and it really didn't have much government involvement.
00:30:46.000I think there were city states and stuff or regions, but it was really all these local communities would organize around their little cathedral or covenant there.
00:31:06.000So I think it's a little unfair the way that history has painted that time.
00:31:17.000And usually it's Christianity that gets the blame, and then we think, oh, the Enlightenment happened, and everybody was just, you know, they realized, oh, this was such a foolish thing to have this ideology, this religious part infused into society.
00:31:39.000Well, yeah, the Dark Ages, I mean, that's a myth, essentially, this idea that everybody got really dumb because the church was hoarding all the books and.
00:32:00.000There was so much knowledge that was being learned at the time.
00:32:03.000There was so much cultural life going on at the time that you don't learn about.
00:32:08.000And in addition to that, not only do they lie about the Middle Ages and medieval times about Christianity, they forget that Christianity basically invented the modern university with the cathedral.
00:32:20.000Was the main place for intellects, for academics, for people that are studying, for scholars and everything else.
00:32:28.000But in addition to that, the Enlightenment that they hold up as the triumph of reason, the triumph of science over religion, with few exceptions, every scientist, every political philosopher, everybody that was produced by the Enlightenment was Christian, was devoutly Christian, whether it's Copernicus, whether it's Isaac Newton on the political spectrum, on the philosophical spectrum.
00:32:54.000Christianity and all the rest did as well.
00:32:57.000So, you know, it's just a fundamental misreading of history.
00:33:00.000If people, like, again, if people just read the books, if people went into their history and looked at what actually happened, all these things start to go away.
00:33:10.000It's so funny to me, too, that the alt right I mean, these are people that have a pretty good understanding that the media lies to them, that the schools lie to them, that they're being lied to by the establishment.
00:33:20.000And then they take the same tired talking points from the media on issues that they themselves haven't looked into.
00:33:28.000And they hold these as the truth, as the Bible truth.
00:33:31.000So it's very interesting, again, that double standard.
00:33:34.000That at once they believe that everybody's lying to them.
00:33:37.000Everybody in school, everyone in academia is lying to them.
00:34:02.000If they actually wanted us to be Christians, why would they be, you know, screaming and trying to, you know, pass legislation to discriminate against Christians?
00:34:13.000And why would they have all these, you know, implements if Christianity wasn't good for us?
00:34:26.000Now, we have sort of talked about this dichotomy like the truth versus like.
00:34:33.000This being a good implementation or whatever.
00:34:37.000And my theories on this are kind of evolving.
00:34:43.000And some of it I've talked about, some of it I haven't.
00:34:47.000I was an atheist for a while and I've since converted, but I just want to ask you what your opinions are.
00:34:55.000Like, if someone doesn't, you know, actually believe in, say, let's just call it, you know, a ghost in the sky or something like that, do you think it's like, Dishonest for them, but they recognize okay, there's all these cultural benefits.
00:35:16.000I think your co host James Alsop has said, like, he's culturally Christian, which it's kind of an ambiguous term.
00:36:26.000Any rational young person would know that whatever their parents tell them is probably 99% more correct than what they think.
00:36:35.000They might not come around to the same conclusions because they don't, obviously, they can't comprehend what their parents are telling them.
00:36:42.000And that's essentially what faith means for Christians.
00:36:45.000So with James Alsop or these cultural Christians, I think.
00:36:49.000I don't know if it would be inauthentic, but I think they are probably trying, like most people, to come to terms with these commands, with these truths that are true, that we know to be true, but they are struggling to believe in a religious sense.
00:37:20.000Have one wife and have lots of children and be sexually moral and have other moral behavior if you didn't believe in God.
00:37:27.000I mean, it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but I think we have to bring these people along sort of baby steps to where we come from.
00:37:35.000And so this is an evolution I've seen time and time again from people.
00:37:38.000It was no different for me, where you see that Christianity is highly, has a great utility for our civilization.
00:37:46.000And as you get interested in why that is, why it is the case that Christendom has made us so successful, I think eventually there is a path there.
00:37:54.000Where you come around to understand that it's not because Christianity recommends X, Y, and Z, but it's through Christianity that we become great.
00:38:03.000So I think there's a pathway to salvation, so to speak, to get a little religious.
00:38:08.000But there is a pathway there from this cultural Christian that's a little bit paradoxical, that's instrumentalist, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to a genuine, authentic believer.
00:38:31.000I've been really interested in just like how, how could I get like atheists to, you know, start to entertain these ideas.
00:38:42.000And I did put out one video which was talking about sort of a theory of, you know, the Holy Trinity in terms of seeing it in terms of some kind of ancestral link, you know.
00:39:01.000So, and also, um, Obviously, like the big example that a lot of people are familiar with is Jordan Peterson, who's talked about the psychological significance of the biblical stories.
00:39:19.000Like people are, a lot of these people aren't true believers, but they're really, they're fascinated by a lot of what he has to say.
00:39:28.000And I think maybe that is hard for people like Christians to sort of do.
00:39:35.000Like they're so, they're used to their, um, Their traditions, their church, and sort of just these emotional understandings of their belief, which they understand and it's very important for them.
00:39:55.000And then they get up on the pulpit and they can, you know, they have this emotional experience.
00:39:59.000And other Christians, it connects with them, but, you know, it's not really, I think, connecting to other people.
00:40:10.000Like you said, once people start to go down that path and they start studying the Bible or whatever, maybe they start reflecting and meditating a lot or looking into their inner selves.
00:40:27.000There's a pathway there, a gateway drug, if you will, towards accepting it as something that is true.
00:42:41.000To the doctrine, and do you think it could ever be manipulated to the point where it's just.
00:42:56.000In other words, do you think people could infiltrate the church, these rootless cosmopolitans, and just sort of disintegrate it to the point where it's just not even recognizable?
00:43:19.000It's already happened with the Catholic Church.
00:43:21.000It's already happened with Protestants, obviously, who have been more susceptible to this sort of thing in the absence of institutional power, institutional authority, and hierarchy.
00:43:33.000You see, really, the last bastion of traditionalist Christianity in the Orthodox Church.
00:43:38.000And even there are some posed elements, some corrupt elements in there as well.
00:43:43.000It's difficult, but I think Christianity.
00:43:46.000At the very core of it, it's a pronatal text.
00:43:49.000I mean, the first book, Genesis, is about a people going forth and multiplying all around the world.
00:43:56.000And so much of the Bible places an emphasis on lineage, on the line, the bloodline from David, all the way from Adam to Jesus Christ, through Abraham, through Moses, through all the greats, so to speak.
00:44:12.000And so I don't think there's any way to take away the fundamental essence of the text, which is to go forth and multiply.
00:44:17.000And there are so many philosophical components.
00:44:20.000To really explore all of it in detail.
00:44:23.000But, I mean, for starters, a big part of it is sexual morality.
00:44:28.000That if you believe in the Bible, if you are one of these devout Christians, if you're following it to the letter of the law, you're not supposed to be having sex unless you get married.
00:44:37.000And when you have sex, when you get married, it's only for the purpose of procreation.
00:44:41.000And that goes back to Aristotle's, or is it Plato?
00:44:54.000Way to have sex morally, if you're a Christian, is for the purpose of procreation.
00:45:00.000And so I think, you know, on the face of it, just that alone suggests that if you are following Christian doctrine, you're getting married, you're having kids.
00:45:08.000If you want to have sex, and, you know, that's why we have that urge in the first place.
00:45:12.000But number two, what Christianity is about fundamentally is about giving people meaning in their lives, making life sublime enough that you would want to bring children into the world, that you would want to bring joy.
00:45:25.000Into the world than to create more Christians, create more people.
00:45:28.000I mean, that's just a whole part of it.
00:45:30.000Nobody brings people into this world anymore because it's a materialist, nihilistic, clown world that people don't want to raise kids in.
00:45:39.000You know, why would you bring kids into the world if you didn't believe in God, if they were going to grow up and essentially become these basket cases, these psych ward cases where they grow up, they have mommy and daddy issues, they have all kinds of issues growing up in high school and they want to kill themselves or on all kinds of painkillers?
00:45:57.000You know, why would you bring kids into this sick world?
00:45:59.000So, Christianity, on the one hand, the only The way to have sex morally, if you're a Christian, is to have kids.
00:46:05.000And number two, Christianity dignifies the human spirit and dignifies the human condition in such a way that people would want to have kids as opposed to now when it's really degraded and sick.
00:46:16.000Yeah, I see a lot of the laws, the chastity stuff.
00:46:22.000It's all, and you can think about it from an evolutionary standpoint, too.
00:47:09.000It's about, you know, voluntarily creating an environment of scarcity such that our genetics and our psychology are aligned towards the survival of our species.
00:47:39.000I don't know if you know about the RK thing, but that comes to mind because the K selected species are the ones that have slightly fewer kids, but they invest more into their kids and stuff.
00:47:54.000And so they usually come about in an environment of scarcity, right?
00:47:59.000So if we create this environment of scarcity, then we don't have to wait for the next war to, like, you know.
00:48:16.000Ecologists know that you have to have this controlled burn.
00:48:22.000Otherwise, if you let it grow long enough, all the grass and stuff, it will eventually just erupt into this uncontrollable thing and cause so much damage.
00:48:34.000So I really see the pain or the self sacrifice in Christianity, which is right there in the whole story of.
00:48:45.000Jesus on the cross, you know, sacrificing yourself, I really see that as a way to stop these bigger cataclysmic events like war or like famine that could just annihilate.
00:49:08.000It's just inevitable that if you let things go, if you let the looseness of our morality Go that long, then something is inevitably going to rebalance stuff.
00:49:24.000So that's one of the most practical ways I can see advocating for Christianity is to have this controlled burn, if you will.
00:49:39.000And simple things like personal responsibility, I mean, simple things like taking responsibility for your actions can avert all of the horrible apocalyptic scenarios that we envision today.
00:49:52.000I mean, for example, you think of a pandemic disease that would wipe out.
00:49:57.000Well, if you had people that were Christians, if you hypothetically were in a society where we can design the kind of Christianity that people believe in, the way that you avoid that is you don't have these cities.
00:50:16.000If people are personally responsible and they have a public or civic consciousness that they don't want to cause harm to their neighbor, they wash their hands.
00:50:30.000So simple, but you're right, it is a slippery slope where if people aren't doing simple things that they're supposed to be doing, it does open up Pandora's box to all kinds of ruin.
00:50:41.000We're really taking a chance every day that something doesn't happen.
00:50:44.000You look at the spread of STDs, that's a perfect example of that.
00:50:49.000If people were living sexually, moral, and healthy lives, you would have no AIDS epidemic, you would have no STD epidemic.
00:50:56.000It probably would have gone away a long time ago because the people that had it would have died off without giving it to anybody.
00:51:05.000So, you know, you have a Christian society, you have a moral society, a healthy society.
00:51:11.000It's very difficult to state what the negatives are because there are so many positives that enter into it once you introduce hierarchy, order, authority, morality.
00:51:37.000That's been the record of history that unless you have the mandate of God, unless you have the mandate of some absolute power, authority is pretty arbitrary, pretty meaningless.
00:51:46.000I think that's what's at the core of it it's not just some guy telling you to do something.
00:51:52.000It's not just some regular Joe that you could disagree with, that you could point to an empirical study or some a priori reason why they're wrong.
00:52:00.000The difference with religion is that it comes from somewhere else.
00:52:03.000And people, I mean, this is such an important metaphysical.
00:52:07.000Ontological point that has drastic consequences for temporal affairs, for the society, and people just forget that.
00:52:15.000Like, do you think it's a trivial difference that an edict from man comes from man and an edict from the church comes from God?
00:54:47.000I've heard a lot of people say, oh, yeah, I learned, I gained a lot of spiritual knowledge or whatever from practicing these other religions or whatever.
00:55:00.000I think sort of the exception would be like Islam.
00:56:32.000But to summarize his point, because I don't think it's been said better by anybody, but he says when you're comparing different religions like Islam, Christianity, etc., you understand why those religions have evolved in those places for those people.
00:56:47.000Islam makes sense for the Arab people historically, geographically, what they're up against, their power structure.
00:57:01.000And the same is true with the Orient and of the Amerindians.
00:57:05.000But if you're comparing modern world religions in the modern day, and that's kind of a meme, but it's true, if you are comparing them today, you look no further than the Old Testament, which predicted in, I forget the exact number, but many different places where Jesus Christ would come again.
00:57:21.000And I read some study that said that the probability that even eight of those predictions came true that were prophesied about Jesus Christ was something like one in a quadrillion, like insane, insane numbers we're talking about.
00:57:35.000The prophecies that Jesus fulfilled when he came in the New Testament.
00:57:55.000It can certainly be adapted to other geographies and to meet the challenges of different peoples, divergent peoples in divergent climates and topographical places and everything else.
00:58:23.000Well, oh, and then, so the last part of that was sort of, you know, do you think that we are heading towards some kind of holy war where, I mean, we see Islam spreading into Europe?