America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - Is the Free Market Destroying the West feat. JF Gariepy | America First Ep. 186

00:00:05.000 Good evening, everybody.

00:00:06.000 You are watching America First.

00:00:07.000 My name is Nicholas J. Fuentes.

00:00:09.000 We've got a great show for you tonight.

00:00:11.000 Joining us for our casual Friday episode, the conclusion of the comeback week, is friend of the show, Mr. J.F. Garipi of the public space.

00:00:21.000 Welcome back, my friend.

00:00:24.000 I'm glad to be here.

00:00:26.000 Glad to have you.

00:00:27.000 And we've got all kinds of interesting things to talk about.

00:00:31.000 I'd like to get into the separation of the families at the border.

00:00:35.000 We've been talking about it all week.

00:00:38.000 We've heard Faith Goldie's take, Jira Taylor, my take.

00:00:41.000 I want to pick your brain, see what you're thinking.

00:00:43.000 I know you're north of our border, but I'm sure you've got an opinion on that.

00:00:47.000 And then I'd like to get into that Cato Institute article earlier this week about human progress.

00:00:53.000 And I think it'll be a good conversation because you are an atheist, you are a scientist, and I'm obviously a Catholic, a religious person.

00:01:01.000 And so I think it's interesting to see both coming from a right wing perspective how we view human progress.

00:01:08.000 Before we get into any of that, this article should transform you into a libertarian, Nick.

00:01:13.000 Yes, I'll revert back.

00:01:16.000 You know, I was a libertarian.

00:01:17.000 I was for a long time.

00:01:19.000 Yeah, I mean, that was really before I got religious.

00:01:21.000 And it's funny because in high school, I was known as like the Zionist, the free market guy.

00:01:28.000 I don't even want to get into it because it's embarrassing, frankly.

00:01:31.000 But before we get into any of the news, I just want to say, you know, we've had this little controversy with Patrick Little, and people will tell me.

00:01:40.000 Because of my response to him, because I won't have David Duke on the show and these kinds of things, they say I'm cucking.

00:01:47.000 They say I'm shilling, JF.

00:01:48.000 And they always tell me the same thing. 0.99

00:01:50.000 They say, cucking never pays. 0.74

00:01:52.000 But I'm here to tell you that my constant selling out, my constant optics cucking for monetary gain has finally paid off.

00:02:01.000 We've talked all the time on the show about the only lobby I would ever sell out to, the big water lobby, because I'm an avid water drinker.

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00:02:33.000 They sent me over a case.

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00:02:36.000 Selling out never tasted so good, huh?

00:02:40.000 Let me give it a quick sample and then we could get into the issues here.

00:02:44.000 All right.

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00:02:55.000 But of course, it's all about the taste test.

00:02:57.000 Let's give it a whirl.

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00:03:04.000 Well, is it a real sponsor or is that like salty water?

00:03:11.000 It's called sad water.

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00:03:16.000 The marketing thing goes that the clouds get sad, and when the clouds get sad, they cry.

00:03:22.000 It rains, and so I guess it's like rainwater or something.

00:03:25.000 Actually, okay, so it evokes the purity of the cloud rain.

00:03:30.000 Yes, it's got kind of like a very nice, it's got a little bit of a taste to it.

00:03:34.000 It says spring water, but maybe it's just because I didn't clean out the water bottle beforehand.

00:03:39.000 That's all right, it tastes good.

00:03:41.000 But, but so with that, you know, talk about human progress.

00:03:44.000 But so, with that out of the way, the first thing that I want to talk to you about is.

00:03:49.000 The child separations at the border.

00:03:52.000 And so we've seen a number of things happen this week.

00:03:54.000 We saw the very astroturfed media campaign, which is to play the clips of the children crying and the pictures of the cages and all these kinds of things.

00:04:05.000 We saw the response by Trump, which was the executive order.

00:04:09.000 And then today he rolls out the victims of the illegal immigrants and their families.

00:04:13.000 And so, just for starters, just a brief overview, what is your first takeaway from this kind of situation? 0.70

00:04:19.000 How do you view it as a libertarian?

00:04:22.000 Because I know there are border concerns with libertarians.

00:04:25.000 What do you think about it?

00:04:27.000 Well, personally, I'm against immigration. 0.94

00:04:29.000 And in fact, I'm against normal immigration.

00:04:32.000 And I'm therefore against illegal immigration even more.

00:04:36.000 So that's my first take.

00:04:38.000 But what we've seen this week is quite stunning behavior by Trump.

00:04:43.000 Trump tries to satisfy everyone.

00:04:46.000 And it seems that he hasn't grown into understanding that in politics, you don't satisfy everyone.

00:04:52.000 And I believe that he may be losing his base by.

00:04:57.000 He makes an executive order.

00:04:59.000 And he says, with this executive order, we're not going to separate parents from children.

00:05:04.000 The typical conservative response to that kind of case should have been very simple.

00:05:09.000 He goes out in the media and he says, hey, we're not going to leave children in an incarcerated environment.

00:05:16.000 We're not going to leave children in jail.

00:05:18.000 And so I don't care if CNN, Fox, and everyone coordinates and decides to make stories about it, I will never leave a child with a person suspected of a crime or being prosecuted for a crime.

00:05:32.000 It would have been as simple as this.

00:05:34.000 Now, Trump, instead of doing that, he gives the leftists what they wanted, which you should never do because they will never be happy.

00:05:43.000 And Trump, as I discussed with Mark Colette just before coming on this show, it seems that Trump tries to apply his deal mentality to politics.

00:05:55.000 But politics is a handless hole of people wanting more and more and being unsatisfied with you.

00:06:02.000 He's not win one voter with this executive order.

00:06:06.000 Would you agree with me on this, Nick, that this executive order didn't win him any ground on the left?

00:06:13.000 Absolutely.

00:06:14.000 Well, yeah, I mean, that's.

00:06:16.000 And we talked about this about the gun issue when he talked about banning the bump stocks in Congress.

00:06:21.000 And here we are again with the immigration issue.

00:06:24.000 And me and Taylor talked about this as well.

00:06:26.000 Every time you give a concession to the left, the false premise that is implicit in that is that.

00:06:33.000 They're being sincere.

00:06:34.000 They're being genuine when they say they want this, they want that.

00:06:37.000 But of course, like you said, it's an endless hole of demands and constantly moving to the left.

00:06:43.000 And so, what you end up seeing is that an executive order like this doesn't win you a single vote from the left.

00:06:51.000 In the aftermath of the executive order, nobody came out and said, Wow, Trump is actually really good after all.

00:06:57.000 But you do lose people on the right.

00:06:58.000 The people that voted for Trump for strong immigration, all the rest.

00:07:03.000 Very well, you could lose a few voters there.

00:07:05.000 So, you know, I thought the biggest fumble was really the messaging.

00:07:09.000 The executive order didn't really change the equation in terms of immigration.

00:07:13.000 It sets a bad precedent for the debate.

00:07:15.000 But, like you said, the biggest fumble was the messaging in the sense that he could have come out there and said, the problem is we can't incarcerate children with the parents.

00:07:24.000 You know, I mean, this is the most clear example of people just not understanding what they're talking about, where the alternative to what we're doing is to lock kids up in jails for adults where you have smugglers.

00:07:36.000 Human traffickers, drug abusers, asylum seekers, you know, and all the rest.

00:07:40.000 And yet Nielsen, who came on, the DHS secretary, said that actually 10,000 of the 12,000 kids were sent across the border with strangers.

00:07:49.000 So the messaging could have been so much better on this.

00:07:53.000 Do you think that was the big concern, or do you think the EO was bad as well?

00:07:58.000 The EO?

00:07:58.000 The what?

00:07:59.000 I'm sorry, I don't know what that is.

00:08:01.000 The executive order.

00:08:02.000 Do you think that was not just a bad precedent, or do you think that was also going to set us back with immigration?

00:08:11.000 The executive order was problematic, both in terms of optics and in terms of fundamentals.

00:08:11.000 Oh, yeah.

00:08:17.000 In terms of fundamentals, when you're a leader, and Trump has made a success out of Convincing people that he was a leader, that he wouldn't bend the knee in front of emotional blackmailing.

00:08:31.000 But this is exactly what he's done.

00:08:33.000 And people who vote for conservatives, they are very sensitive to that kind of messaging.

00:08:40.000 They want a leader who's able to take the decisions that are in the short term emotionally negative, but in the long term make sense at a moral level, at a deep moral level.

00:08:52.000 And what makes sense at a deep moral level is not to let Children who are potentially victims of child trafficking in many cases never let them with their parents.

00:09:02.000 I know it breaks some arts, but it's okay to break some arts to follow the true moral path that you've set upon.

00:09:09.000 Now, Trump has demonstrated with his executive order that he didn't have what it takes to step over this emotional blackmailing.

00:09:17.000 And ultimately, I'm not sure that Trump did it for the children.

00:09:21.000 I think he did it for his own image with the leftist media.

00:09:25.000 Trump doesn't like having the leftist media.

00:09:28.000 Say bad things about him.

00:09:29.000 And that's not even morally noble, if you will.

00:09:35.000 I would push back on that a little bit only because I saw that executive order more as a tactical decision.

00:09:43.000 Because, you know, if you look at the content of the executive order, I wasn't happy that he tried to accommodate the left or because we see the crying and the tears and all this.

00:09:53.000 And once the left gets the idea that they can, like you said, emotionally blackmail the president, where does it end, essentially?

00:10:00.000 And once you concede to that, We've lost a lot of ground.

00:10:03.000 But I will say that I read the content of the executive order, and what it actually does is, in a de facto way, closes the loopholes in the sense that whereas before the children were being detained separately from the parents with HHS, and then they went to foster care where they hoped they could be eligible for DACA or amnesty for DACA recipients, now they're being detained at the border with the parents.

00:10:27.000 And so, and they've also shut down this whole conversation.

00:10:30.000 I think now you see things are coming out about that Time Magazine cover, things are coming out about.

00:10:36.000 How basically all the pictures of the caged children were fake, and Trump had that big thing with the illegal immigrants.

00:10:44.000 I think it was kind of fumbled originally, but now I think since the executive order, surprisingly, I think it's gotten a little bit better.

00:10:50.000 So I would push back.

00:10:51.000 I don't think the motive was Trump trying to look good for the leftist media because he came out today with the illegals and totally flipped the script.

00:11:00.000 I mean, do you think that was at least an effective thing?

00:11:03.000 If you think he did it for the leftist media, do you think that bringing out the families of the victims of illegals was like a good play?

00:11:09.000 Was that a good.

00:11:10.000 Changing the frame of the immigration debate?

00:11:14.000 I think it was good what he did today.

00:11:15.000 He brings victims of illegal immigrants and he said, though, this is the other side of the story that's not being told. 0.94

00:11:22.000 However, he should have done that from the very beginning.

00:11:26.000 And, you know, we have this image of Trump having a big ego.

00:11:31.000 I think in that rare case, it is true.

00:11:34.000 I think that Trump really cares about his brand.

00:11:37.000 I think he has a whole history in business where this guy sees his brand as.

00:11:43.000 A kind of a value in and of itself.

00:11:46.000 Whereas a lot of businessmen, they trust the brand name.

00:11:51.000 They will use the brand name as a way to communicate a message and to build something.

00:11:55.000 Trump sees values in the brand itself, and Trump doesn't like bad press.

00:12:01.000 And we've seen him react to bad press many times.

00:12:05.000 I don't see how what he did this week can be explained in any other way than a reaction to bad press.

00:12:11.000 That's how it started.

00:12:13.000 Who started talking about the children being separated from their parents?

00:12:17.000 All leftist media.

00:12:20.000 It has to be framed in some way as a reaction to leftist media, not as a reaction, in my view, to the fundamental issue there, to the fact that the children were being separated from their parents.

00:12:32.000 This must have been known by the agents in charge for many years.

00:12:37.000 It's the procedure.

00:12:38.000 But I would grant your point that maybe the executive order will have long term benefits from an administrative perspective and from a loophole patching perspective.

00:12:49.000 People, why don't we bend the knee in front of leftists?

00:12:55.000 Because they will keep dragging you in the mud.

00:12:57.000 And that's what CNN has been doing today.

00:13:00.000 So today, they released an article saying, in one week, Trump has tied himself into an impossible immigration knot.

00:13:07.000 And what do they list?

00:13:08.000 They list contradictions of Trump this week.

00:13:10.000 But those are not contradictions.

00:13:12.000 They are an evolution in time with Trump first trying to talk to the left and say, okay, I'll sign an executive order.

00:13:21.000 And today, He's reverting back to a strategy that does speak to his base, which is to prison the families that were the victims of illegal immigrant crimes, show that there is a reason why we enforce immigration laws in our countries.

00:13:38.000 And somehow, what he did today is not as good as it could have been if he hadn't given the impression that he was bending the knee toward the left, bending the knee to the emotional manipulation that the media has been doing.

00:13:53.000 Yeah, I definitely agree with the point that he gave in to the pressure.

00:13:56.000 I definitely agree with you that it was definitely not.

00:13:59.000 Well, and I don't think it was about the kids for the media or the president, right?

00:14:02.000 I mean, the media brought it up to recapture the initiative on immigration and to make this point that Trump is Hitler for the midterms.

00:14:11.000 And Trump caved, I think, ultimately to pressure from the media. 0.95

00:14:14.000 So I definitely agree with you on that point.

00:14:17.000 But I think it's just a case of him getting caught off guard.

00:14:21.000 You know, I think we saw that in the initial phases, the messaging was very confused from the White House, from The administration, in terms of DHS, HHS, from the president on Twitter.

00:14:32.000 You know, all the different entities were coming out with different and not totally consistent messaging.

00:14:37.000 It was, well, the Democrats need to change the law.

00:14:40.000 Well, actually, 10,000 of the kids were accompanied by strangers, or, well, actually, we can't imprison them.

00:14:46.000 You know, and so it was such a way where the media was all day long hitting the same point, driving the point home about kids being separated, they're crying, all the rest.

00:14:56.000 And Trump and his allies were kind of all over the place.

00:14:58.000 But I definitely think since the executive order, we've turned it into a victory in a way where I think now that he's made the executive order, he's brought some kind of closure to that complaint where everybody was up in arms and in terms of the people were driven into a frenzy by this.

00:15:16.000 I think that at least brought some closure to this idea that we're operating like concentration camps on the border.

00:15:22.000 And now I think it gives us the opportunity to insert our own narrative.

00:15:26.000 And I think Trump's already doing that pretty successfully.

00:15:29.000 Hitting immigration really hard with the illegals, with the Europe stuff, and all the rest.

00:15:33.000 So I think it's a mixed reaction.

00:15:37.000 I don't think this was totally a home run for him.

00:15:39.000 This is the first time I think that the media kind of got one over on him.

00:15:43.000 I think there were other cases I would have to rethink, but I think there were other cases of very small decisions he's done where I said, okay, he's reacting to the media here.

00:15:54.000 He's giving some grounds.

00:15:56.000 But I guess I would have to rethink because they don't come to mind.

00:15:59.000 But that's what I had retained from Trump, which is he seems to be really worried.

00:16:05.000 Oh, yeah, I think it was in the perjury case where he kind of thrown some of his allies.

00:16:14.000 Allies under the bus in the case where the Russia Trump collusion, he throwed them very fast.

00:16:20.000 To someone loyal like me, I wouldn't throw someone I work with under the bus without strong, strong evidence.

00:16:30.000 But yeah, I think that you are right.

00:16:34.000 It is not a numb run, but he's trying to make the best out of it.

00:16:38.000 And it's not dramatic, ultimately, what happened this week.

00:16:41.000 Yeah.

00:16:41.000 Right.

00:16:42.000 Yeah.

00:16:42.000 And I think just moving forward, it's going to be one of those things where.

00:16:46.000 If Trump can remain strong on immigration, because I think we've really seen the screws tightening on both legal and illegal immigration.

00:16:53.000 If you look at just every day, there's stories about how they're limiting the amount of asylum requests and green cards.

00:16:59.000 And I mean, to the fullest extent that they can under the existing law, I think the screws are tightening.

00:17:05.000 I think the rhetoric is ramping up in a big way.

00:17:08.000 Whereas we didn't really hear so much about immigration when the tax bill got through and when North Korea was being decided.

00:17:15.000 Now we're really hitting immigration hard, talking about illegals again, talking about. 0.99

00:17:20.000 The Muslim takeover in Germany. 1.00

00:17:22.000 I mean, I think that was pretty big.

00:17:23.000 So it's going to really come down to how well Trump is able to play to those issues trade, immigration, and non intervention in the midterms.

00:17:33.000 If he can't really sell the people that even though we don't have a wall, we're still winning on immigration, I mean, that's what's going to decide the midterms for the Republicans.

00:17:43.000 Absolutely.

00:17:43.000 I agree.

00:17:44.000 And you mentioned earlier that, yeah, the left is engaged into comparing Trump to the Nazi party.

00:17:51.000 And there was a TYT coverage of this and a Sargon of a Cat video contesting the view that TYT was making of it.

00:18:00.000 And I also responded to Sargon about it.

00:18:03.000 I was wondering, what are your views on this, the comparison with the Nazi regime?

00:18:09.000 You know, it's difficult to say because everything that we know about the Nazi regime is, shall we say, a little bit biased.

00:18:17.000 You know, it comes from most people are brought up in the education system where you're not allowed to see an R rated movie because it swears a nudity, but from the time they're in kindergarten, They're seeing bodies being thrown onto piles.

00:18:31.000 They did it exactly this way, and don't think any other way, right?

00:18:34.000 So I think, in large measure, Nazi obviously is a loaded expression.

00:18:40.000 But if we look at Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich as a right wing government, as an example of a government that was, there were right wing elements, certainly, although they were progressive in many ways and secular and utopian.

00:18:55.000 They did embrace order, they did embrace some kind of neo tradition.

00:18:59.000 That sounds kind of paradoxical, but they did try to.

00:19:02.000 Reinstitute some kind of perennial tradition created by the state.

00:19:06.000 They instituted hierarchy.

00:19:07.000 There was realism and pragmatism and politics. 0.83

00:19:10.000 If you look at it in that way, I think the Nazi regime is comparable to Mussolini. 0.67

00:19:16.000 It's comparable to Franco. 0.52

00:19:17.000 It's comparable to many right wing governments.

00:19:19.000 And so, in that sense, I don't want to call Trump a Nazi because, of course, any normal person hears Nazi and they think terrible, terrible, terrible things.

00:19:29.000 And in some cases, it's a little bit warranted.

00:19:33.000 So, I would say if we were in a totally like autistic, abstract, like political theater divorced from practical outcomes, I would say there are some similarities.

00:19:46.000 I wouldn't say it's comparable to like the Holocaust or anything like that, but does Trump embrace order?

00:19:52.000 Yes.

00:19:52.000 Does Trump embrace tradition?

00:19:53.000 Yes.

00:19:54.000 Does he embrace a stronger role for the executive and the state than his predecessors?

00:19:58.000 Yeah, but I think we see that in a lot of governments as well.

00:20:02.000 That was my point to Sargon, which is if you remove the image as And the kind of idealized version that people have of Nazis.

00:20:11.000 Technically, Cenk Uygur was correct that there are parallels to be made.

00:20:17.000 These parallels are not that evocative, they're not that important to raise, but he's technically correct.

00:20:23.000 Well, and I think there's also comparisons to, you can draw a lot of comparisons.

00:20:27.000 The problem is just that, and this kind of pertains to the next topic we're going to talk about.

00:20:32.000 I think this is a really good point to make in this conversation about how all of our Decisions and comparisons about history are colored by a very liberal, very progressive mindset. 0.99

00:20:44.000 You know, we have it that everything before the UN human rights global homo government was totally wrong, totally condemnable. 1.00

00:20:54.000 That was barbarism. 1.00

00:20:56.000 But after like the 1990s, after we established, you know, gay rights and freedom from discrimination and racism, you know, now we got it right.

00:21:05.000 But everything that came before us was wrong and, you know, a big mistake.

00:21:09.000 And once you get out of that frame of view and you think, well, It's all basically connected.

00:21:14.000 We are the same people that they were, and we have the same, in many ways, considerations.

00:21:20.000 And so we can look at somebody like a Stalin, somebody like a Franco, not as, oh, well, they killed people, they did bad things, but more as, well, these were statesmen making decisions about what was best for their country or their people or the apparatus at the time.

00:21:35.000 And so, you know, it's unfortunate that we can't have those conversations without it, you know, turning into a pissing contest of, no, you're Hitler, no, you're actually Hitler, you know, that kind of thing.

00:21:46.000 But I think there's a lot of comparisons to go around, sure.

00:21:50.000 Wonderful.

00:21:51.000 Do we talk about this human progress article?

00:21:54.000 Yes, yes. 0.85

00:21:55.000 So that was the other big thing I want to pick your brain on, Mr. Mad Scientist Atheist.

00:22:03.000 Because it'll be interesting to see because I know you definitely sympathize with some of the points I bring up about this subject.

00:22:10.000 So I'm just going to do a quick little transition here to put it up on the screen.

00:22:15.000 Whoops.

00:22:17.000 How did that happen?

00:22:19.000 Hang on.

00:22:20.000 Whoops.

00:22:21.000 I don't know what just happened there.

00:22:24.000 Is it showing the article or not?

00:22:26.000 Because in one screen it's showing me the article and the other it isn't.

00:22:29.000 All right.

00:22:30.000 You know what?

00:22:30.000 Here, let me.

00:22:31.000 It'll just take me one second to bring it up on the screen.

00:22:33.000 I'm going to have to do it in this window.

00:22:36.000 It's the Streamlabs OBS is always the kicker, right?

00:22:40.000 Let me see.

00:22:41.000 Yep.

00:22:42.000 Okay.

00:22:43.000 Okay.

00:22:43.000 There we go.

00:22:44.000 So this was the tweet that I think a lot of people saw in our little circle, left wing and right wing people critiquing this.

00:22:52.000 And this was a tweet by.

00:22:54.000 The Cato Institute, where it says between 1954 and 2014, the cost of a TV fell 98.5% for a significantly better product.

00:23:03.000 That's progress.

00:23:04.000 And they talk about how, you know, basically a TV costs a lot more money relative to wages and relative to time worked.

00:23:12.000 And now you could get a much better TV for a lot less.

00:23:15.000 And, you know, I check out the website where it's from.

00:23:18.000 It's from humanprogress.org.

00:23:21.000 They got the article from Reason initially, though.

00:23:23.000 And so basically the premise of the article is.

00:23:27.000 Everything is so cheap.

00:23:28.000 That's progress.

00:23:29.000 Capitalism has given us so much progress because, look, you could buy a stove for 27 hours of labor, and you can buy a nice grill for this many hours of labor.

00:23:40.000 And what was interesting, I go into this website, I go into the About section, and it says, Well, this is progress, but what is progress?

00:23:47.000 And they give us the Oxford English definition.

00:23:49.000 They give us Steven Pinker's definition, where he says, Well, everybody agrees that life is better than death, health is better than sickness, sustenance better than hunger, you know, et cetera, et cetera.

00:23:59.000 And basically says, well, progress is the material and all the rest.

00:24:04.000 And of course, on this show, all the time, we talk about why this is a flawed way of thinking because, of course, you see suicide rates are skyrocketing.

00:24:12.000 You know, here's an article from the CDC how they rose in just about every state by like 30%.

00:24:18.000 You see drug abuse rising for every kind of drug, for opioids, it's skyrocketing.

00:24:23.000 You just see profound depression and misery.

00:24:26.000 And so, you know, this has been my take on this issue.

00:24:29.000 We talked about it with Bourdain and school shooters, but as a more liberal humanist type person, or maybe that's my impression as an atheist, what would you say?

00:24:41.000 I'm a humanist.

00:24:44.000 I think so, right?

00:24:45.000 I love it.

00:24:45.000 Would you describe yourself that way?

00:24:48.000 I think I'm going to add it to my Twitter description now that you've labeled me as such.

00:24:52.000 Yeah, I mean, you're not wrong.

00:24:54.000 I mean, it's.

00:24:57.000 I'm an evil humanist. 0.80

00:25:02.000 There you go.

00:25:03.000 Well, so what is your take on that?

00:25:04.000 I mean, do you agree with that premise or do you believe in progress?

00:25:08.000 I guess is the bigger question.

00:25:09.000 Do you think that these material comforts constitute progress in a total sense?

00:25:18.000 I mean, yeah, it's an interesting take you have.

00:25:21.000 You are going across many moral dimensions, which for me, I keep separate in my brain.

00:25:27.000 To me, the question of the improvement of the well being linked to objects like this, like they present a mixer, a refrigerator, a microwave.

00:25:37.000 Is kind of separate from the disparate state of human beings, their suicidal tendencies, the level of depression that increases in our society.

00:25:49.000 So I think that I would treat these completely separately.

00:25:53.000 On the question of this article and the material well being, I would say the article is pretty fair.

00:25:59.000 I mean, it's been published a long time ago, but it's now a rehash in tweets recently.

00:26:04.000 That's why we're talking about it.

00:26:07.000 It does describe the situation that I had perceived in society, which is the things that are subject to liberty, the things that are subject to the free market, they improve so much, in fact, that you can now buy a better TV today than 30 years ago, and you can buy it with less labors.

00:26:30.000 That's 70 hours of labor to buy a TV in 1979, and it's 4.3 hours of labor to buy a better TV today.

00:26:40.000 That we've seen, and that is a form of progress.

00:26:43.000 To the extent that some of these things are needed for survival and reproduction, like barbecues, refrigerator, well, someone could argue you don't need a barbecue to survive.

00:26:54.000 Well, ovens, you do need ovens to cook food in our society.

00:26:58.000 At least that's what most people will use to cook their food.

00:27:02.000 To that extent, yes, it is a form of progress.

00:27:04.000 But I note how interesting this article is.

00:27:08.000 The only things that progress in that way are things that are subject to a fully free market.

00:27:14.000 With very few state interventions.

00:27:17.000 Whereas the article underlines the fact that healthcare, education, most of the services of the state are actually getting worse, or they're the same, but they cost much more.

00:27:32.000 And so we have an inflationary system that differs across domains in our economic system.

00:27:39.000 Those that are subject to heavy competitions, like producing barbecues or refrigerators or computers, The capitalist system is well fit to improve these things constantly, so much so that you could buy 10 barbecues today without ruining your economic well being.

00:27:58.000 You couldn't have done this in 1979 with a minimal salary.

00:28:04.000 So, yes, there are things that improve in our lives, but there are things that are more burdensome.

00:28:10.000 And the state system of education, the state system of healthcare and welfare are things that keep growing in a non productive fashion.

00:28:20.000 So, there, and another thing that doesn't grow is wages.

00:28:27.000 And that's an interesting thing because, yes, our lives have improved because we have access to better technology, but that is just a growth of technology that will reach a ceiling.

00:28:38.000 I mean, at some point, we're going to reach the point, and I think we've reached that point in many ways, where you cannot make a better refrigerator.

00:28:46.000 We've probably, we're probably creating today the best refrigerators we will ever create, the most energy efficient.

00:28:54.000 At some point, Your science meets the limit that is the limit of the physical universe.

00:29:01.000 There's no more things you can discover to make a better oven.

00:29:06.000 And so we're starting in an era of humanity where improvements will be much slower than they were during the last hundred years.

00:29:16.000 In fact, we may have been living through the most progressive part of the history of humanity in terms of technology, and we may have reached the limit of the universe in terms of how compact.

00:29:28.000 We can do CPUs, efficient, we can do refrigerators.

00:29:33.000 And I'm worried about what happens next because, as long as these items were getting cheaper and cheaper due to competitiveness, due to the free market, our lives were somewhat improving, although there was a big lie, which is our salaries were not improving, our state education system was not improving, our healthcare wasn't improving, or the healthcare was improving because of the discovery of new meds and new techniques.

00:30:00.000 But it wasn't improving in terms of the efficiency of the use of human resources.

00:30:05.000 Why? 0.98

00:30:06.000 Because the state doesn't have the tools that the free market has. 0.98

00:30:10.000 It doesn't have competition.

00:30:12.000 All it has is people trying to do their best, and sometimes people are wrong.

00:30:18.000 In the free market, the people who are wrong lose, their company goes bankrupt, and they are replaced by better companies.

00:30:26.000 Because we don't have this for the state, we are stuck with things that will not improve, which is essentially the entire Part of the economy that is covered by the state, which worryingly enough includes the education of our children, at least for those who cannot do homeschooling.

00:30:47.000 Well, yeah, I would definitely agree with you that, in the first place, I don't think anybody really disputes this that the free market is the best economic system if you're trying to get the efficient use of scarce resources.

00:31:00.000 You know, I used to read all the old libertarian texts on economics, Thomas Sowell.

00:31:07.000 Henry Hazlitt, Milton Friedman, and all the rest.

00:31:10.000 And so I get a lot of libertarians who say, you know, Nick, what do you not believe in capitalism?

00:31:14.000 Don't you know that competition?

00:31:16.000 So, trust me, I will definitely concede that the free market system is the best way to get cheaper products and better products and all the rest.

00:31:28.000 But, my big problem, the big question in my mind as a young person who kind of made the transition from free marketer to a more traditional type conservative is can you have the free market?

00:31:39.000 Can you have this disruptive force which moves people around, which has what they call creative destruction?

00:31:46.000 I mean, intrinsic in capitalism is this idea of.

00:31:49.000 Creation through destruction.

00:31:51.000 Old things are defeated, they go away, and they just kind of scattered across, and the new things rise up.

00:31:57.000 And my question has always been can you have this kind of free market progress where things are getting cheaper, you have all these consumer goods, you have these kind of perverse incentives of maximizing profits?

00:32:10.000 And I understand the utility of that in an economic sense, but these incentives of maximizing profits, selling as many consumer goods as possible, but also retain a society that can.

00:32:21.000 That can give you all the more meaningful things, which are tradition, which are community, which are some degree of religion.

00:32:29.000 You know, we look at how progress has gone up, up and away in terms of globalization, cheaper products, and all the rest.

00:32:36.000 And inversely, or rather, in a very big, there's a big correlation between that kind of progress and the rise in suicides, the rise in drug use.

00:32:45.000 You see, people are being driven out of their communities.

00:32:49.000 You see, people are being scattered all across the country or all across the world in some cases.

00:32:55.000 Go to school, they get picked up by a firm in Los Angeles or New York, and then they beat it.

00:32:59.000 And you see the hollowing out of middle America, the hollowing out of rural America.

00:33:03.000 And so I guess the question then becomes can you have the best of both worlds?

00:33:08.000 Can you have cheap prices?

00:33:10.000 Can you have consumer goods, material well being, which we want on a material level without sacrificing order, without sacrificing community?

00:33:18.000 Is there a balance in between?

00:33:21.000 You know, the Catholic Church says that we should embrace distributism, where we have markets, but we also have.

00:33:27.000 And understanding that the point of markets is not just to get the cheapest gadget, not just to get the cheapest widget or whatever they use in economic examples, but to serve the well being of the people, which ultimately is virtue, communities, the rearing of families, these greater ends.

00:33:45.000 And so I guess the question is they are separate value judgments, progress determined from a material perspective or from like the ultimate objective of a society, which is the betterment of its people.

00:33:57.000 Do you think these are irreconcilable?

00:33:59.000 Do you think capitalism is?

00:34:01.000 Is destabilizing?

00:34:02.000 Can it be controlled?

00:34:03.000 I mean, what do you think is the future for that kind of dynamic?

00:34:08.000 So, I don't think that they are irreconcilable.

00:34:11.000 And in fact, I believe that if you look back in the history of America, it used to be that the transmission of values and the transmission of a sense of identity, as you describe it, was indulged privately, was indulged through a libertarian system, I would argue.

00:34:28.000 There were communities, they were getting together on Sundays at a church.

00:34:33.000 They were contributing with their money, and the church was giving back to its community in the way it was first offering the service, but it was also offering all sorts of bonding opportunities within the community, even business deals being done between churchgoers.

00:34:51.000 And so, to a certain extent, what I think describes well what we've done with values in America is we have delegated a value system that used to be.

00:35:04.000 Traded at the individual level and in a libertarian way, and we've dumped its responsibility on the state.

00:35:12.000 And the common observation that I will do between barbecues and the state value and the education of people and their sense of identity is that what we've dumped as a responsibility to the state failed.

00:35:26.000 Why does it fail?

00:35:27.000 Because the state has no incentive to get better at doing it.

00:35:32.000 The state is a monopoly, and as such, it is not getting selected.

00:35:37.000 As part of a wider system where you would have the choice between different states, and eventually people would converge toward the states that give them the meaning in their life that they need.

00:35:49.000 And so I say we need to forget the idea that the state is good at anything, whether it's making barbecues or making good education.

00:36:00.000 And we have to take back into our libertarian ends the education of our children as well as the development of a sense of identity.

00:36:10.000 The state has shown that it was failing in the long run.

00:36:14.000 It was failing at anything it would do.

00:36:17.000 Yeah, I mean, I definitely agree with you on the premise that the state has ruined healthcare, that the state has ruined education.

00:36:25.000 And I agree with that just because, you know, like I said about the free market with consumer goods, you have to have those incentives.

00:36:32.000 I mean, of course, if you look at, for example, the Chicago public schooling system, there is absolutely no incentive for anybody to do their job, you know, because you look at teachers, you look at administrators.

00:36:45.000 The money comes in and it always comes in.

00:36:48.000 You can't really get fired.

00:36:49.000 It's very difficult to get fired.

00:36:50.000 So, if you're a teacher, test scores are going down.

00:36:54.000 Money keeps coming in.

00:36:55.000 I mean, what's the incentive to innovate, to change things, to increase the scores?

00:36:59.000 There's nothing.

00:37:00.000 If it were a private business, people would take their business out to us.

00:37:02.000 So, I definitely get that.

00:37:03.000 But I look at the United States, I look at Western Europe, where we've had free markets to an extent.

00:37:11.000 I want to say relative free markets because then I get people in the comments saying, it wasn't a real free market, though, because, you know, this, that, or the other.

00:37:17.000 But You did have relative laissez faire under Reagan, under Thatcher in Western Europe.

00:37:24.000 And we saw what that has wrought in this country for like 38 years.

00:37:27.000 You wake up and it's like you have to watch an advertisement to brush your teeth and you have to watch an advertisement to get on the bus. 0.98

00:37:33.000 And it's Globo Homo Bank, you know, the feminist Star Wars movie brought to you by gay sex, right? 0.95

00:37:40.000 And you look at that and then you look at Eastern Europe. 0.95

00:37:44.000 And I'm not saying Eastern Europe is like an ideal place to live.

00:37:48.000 Because people always remind me as well that you have abortions prominent in Russia and there's a lot of violence that goes on.

00:37:55.000 But nevertheless, you see in a country like Poland or Hungary or the Czech Republic, these post communist countries where communism took a nasty toll on their material well being.

00:38:07.000 They're a lot poorer than Western Europe.

00:38:09.000 The conditions aren't as great, all the rest. 0.56

00:38:12.000 But what they have been able to preserve with communism because they didn't have people coming in, because they didn't have plutocrats investing in legislatures, buying politicians.

00:38:22.000 Is the important stuff was intact.

00:38:24.000 So now people actually want to go to Hungary.

00:38:26.000 Now people actually want to go to Poland, as opposed to the UK or France or the United States, because as bad as communism was for the material well being, it was brutal and suffering.

00:38:38.000 It was not as destabilizing and disruptive as capitalism in scattering and displacing all these traditions, all these people, and all the rest.

00:38:47.000 And so I'm just trying to find a middle ground because at once, you know, I acknowledge that people want to be.

00:38:55.000 Safe and happy and well fed, and all the rest.

00:38:58.000 But at the same time, can we have that kind of mass consumer economy?

00:39:02.000 Can we have a total free market without state rules or some kind of pumping of the brakes without just having a completely disordered society?

00:39:12.000 I mean, I just don't know the answer to that because, on the one hand, private activity did build the United States.

00:39:20.000 Tocqueville wrote about this how the civic, non state Republican institutions, small R Republican institutions, built the country, the church, some of these fraternal organizations, all the rest.

00:39:31.000 But, you know, I don't know.

00:39:33.000 I look at all the cool stuff we have VR, McDonald's, which I'm a big fan of.

00:39:38.000 Fan of, but I say, was it worth it?

00:39:40.000 Do you think that, as Steven Pinker says, that material well being is a prerequisite to tradition?

00:39:40.000 I mean, what do you think?

00:39:47.000 Do you think we could get all the good stuff and then figure out the tradition?

00:39:52.000 I mean, it's a good question.

00:39:53.000 You come really at it from a different perspective than I do because it seems that you are, there's some values you're not willing to abandon.

00:40:03.000 And as a nihilist, I'm more like, okay, I'm willing to take anything and see what's best.

00:40:09.000 You are trying, you're essentially trying to say there is a form of tradition that I'm not willing to give up on, and I'm looking for the best system that will inculcate this tradition into people.

00:40:22.000 But I think that along the way, you are making an observation that is incomplete.

00:40:26.000 When you say, you put it to Hollywood and you say, okay, everyone is good and everyone loves everyone, and we need to respect all sorts of lifestyle, including the gay lifestyle.

00:40:38.000 I don't put it on the back of the capitalist system.

00:40:42.000 I think that Hollywood is definitely a capitalist entity.

00:40:46.000 But ultimately, Hollywood has nothing more than the grab that it can get on our brains.

00:40:53.000 And I believe that why we are subject to the propaganda of Hollywood right now is that we've been miseducated.

00:41:02.000 We've essentially opened the brains of our children to bad moral, uh, control.

00:41:10.000 And that I've always been alarmed about it.

00:41:12.000 I've even been alarmed back in the 90s in Canada when I saw In my schools, that they were starting to do propaganda for recycling.

00:41:21.000 And it's not that I disagree with recycling.

00:41:23.000 I think you should recycle your stuff.

00:41:25.000 Of course, don't pollute the planet for no reason.

00:41:28.000 However, I was very alarmed at the way teachers were doing that in school.

00:41:34.000 They were essentially brainwashing children.

00:41:36.000 And I was worried that by not cultivating a sense of questioning in children, by just saying that's the right thing to do and you should do it, not giving them a Process, not giving them a reason, not teaching them to adhere to that view, but just teaching them that view.

00:41:54.000 I think that we've trained brains through the state education system at being subject to moral subversion, whereas religion was doing, was essentially training our brain not to be subjected to moral subversion of any other kind than the one that was approved in the Bible or in whatever book people were using for their particular religion.

00:42:20.000 And so I think that we've opened, essentially, Hollywood penetrates an open door that we've opened ourselves.

00:42:28.000 And so I don't see just the symptom of Hollywood and the symptom of leftist propaganda in these movies as something we need to hit with a hammer.

00:42:37.000 I see the source, the causes of this, and I see it also in the state.

00:42:45.000 Now, I think you bring some very interesting points about Eastern Europe.

00:42:49.000 What was different there that makes these countries?

00:42:53.000 Now, pleasant places, and in fact, places that people consider to be potentially the last stand of Western civilization, which I wouldn't have thought 10 or 20 years ago.

00:43:08.000 It's a good question.

00:43:09.000 It's a sociological one, and I don't have an answer.

00:43:11.000 What's the state of religion in Poland?

00:43:14.000 What's the state of religion in Russia?

00:43:17.000 Did people develop a sense of identity?

00:43:20.000 Did they make state education different, or did they transmit family values that did not?

00:43:27.000 Opened that door?

00:43:28.000 I don't know.

00:43:29.000 But I know that the door was opened in our civilizations through an abandonment of the transmission value system to the state.

00:43:40.000 And the state found itself farming human beings who had no interest in transmitting values that would allow them to become accomplished adults with a sense of who they are and with an ability to question the things that come from Hollywood, question the things that come from state media in Canada through CBC.

00:44:00.000 Or through the BBC in the UK.

00:44:04.000 We forgot to raise questioning, self reliant, and intelligent adults.

00:44:11.000 And that's the world we live in right now.

00:44:14.000 Yeah, no, I mean, that's the biggest problem.

00:44:17.000 I definitely agree with that in the sense that you look at people today, and these are not critical thinkers, these are not really well educated people.

00:44:26.000 And a big part of that is actually technology.

00:44:28.000 You know, when you think about an iPhone, for example, many people think of it as.

00:44:32.000 We're actually smarter than people thousands of years ago because we can bing bing bong, we put into our phone, and you've got the world at your fingertips.

00:44:41.000 But if you think about it in terms of our human capacities, the more that we kind of shirk, the more that we pass off these responsibilities and aptitudes and intelligences to machines, the more we atrophy ourselves.

00:44:56.000 You know, I was reading a book, what was it called?

00:44:59.000 It was called Moonwalking with Einstein.

00:45:01.000 It was about memory.

00:45:02.000 Wow, I'm pretty, that was from my sophomore year in high school.

00:45:05.000 We did a little book club in chemistry.

00:45:07.000 Class.

00:45:08.000 And what they said in that book was that in like Greek times or in the medieval times, people would be able to memorize whole books.

00:45:16.000 They'd be able to memorize thousands of pages and like perfectly, memorize lots of things essentially.

00:45:23.000 But because we've been able to write things down, and you know, if we don't want to forget something, we can write it down or now we could put it in a phone or whatever.

00:45:30.000 Now we've kind of built our alliance.

00:45:32.000 So I think, you know, in many ways, you look at that as a problem of modernity, as a problem of It is this ever increasing march towards technology.

00:45:41.000 So, I definitely agree that that's a big problem.

00:45:43.000 But I just think that the biggest problem with libertarianism, if you read Mill, if you read Adam Smith, if you read any of these guys, John Locke, who's a favorite of Sargon, if you read any of these guys, to me, the fundamental misconception is that we don't know what's best for people.

00:46:00.000 You know, I mean, time and again, when I listen to Ben Shapiro or Milton Friedman or Thomas Sowell, it really comes down to human action, something Mises wrote a lot about, which is to say that.

00:46:11.000 Man acts, only an individual acts, and only he knows what's best for him.

00:46:16.000 You know, if you're talking about the intelligence of all the consumers in the country, as opposed to having, you know, people in a Politburo deciding prices, you have all kinds of people who have their own specialized knowledge about their own wants and resources and needs and cost saving capacity that they're going to make better decisions for themselves than any kind of regulator, than any kind of state person.

00:46:39.000 So they say, in effect, that.

00:46:41.000 It's an individualist society.

00:46:43.000 People in the state are not intelligent enough.

00:46:45.000 They don't know what's best for people.

00:46:47.000 Only people know what's best for people.

00:46:48.000 And so if people want to try out, oh, you know, the latest, greatest thing, if people want to try out this technology, this lifestyle, this service, well, then, you know, by all means, go for it.

00:46:59.000 But I'm coming to reject that premise.

00:47:02.000 You know, when you look at IQ, when you look at hierarchy, when you get into a position where you believe in objective truth, I think maybe that's where we disagree on the fundamentals.

00:47:13.000 If you believe that, like, for example, God is real and he laid out these rules and this tradition and that's the truth.

00:47:20.000 Well, then, this idea of, well, you know, it's got to be a neutral space where people can be free to, oh, do I want to do this?

00:47:26.000 Do I want to do that?

00:47:26.000 Is that good for me?

00:47:28.000 It kind of becomes a place where, of course, evil is going to triumph.

00:47:32.000 Of course, evil is going to triumph in Hollywood or all these other places.

00:47:36.000 If you take out a positive moral content and say, okay, this is now the neutral, contentless space where everybody can try it out, well, the natural introduction will be of evil, of satanic, disordered, perverse kinds of activity.

00:47:52.000 So, to me, what I see is just.

00:47:55.000 This is the big thing that's wrong.

00:47:56.000 People say, well, anything goes.

00:47:58.000 We should tolerate everything because nobody really, it's all relative.

00:48:02.000 It's all subjective.

00:48:03.000 And of course, I think that betrays the fundamental differences of opinion that we have about the world, where you say you're a nihilist and you're a relativist and you don't really believe in objective truth, I think you said in the Jay Dyer debate.

00:48:17.000 And people who.

00:48:18.000 Universal truth.

00:48:19.000 However, I do believe in objective truth.

00:48:22.000 Objective being something that two subjects can agree on.

00:48:26.000 They say we see that table as white, that I believe in.

00:48:30.000 I don't believe in universal truths. 0.93

00:48:32.000 Right.

00:48:33.000 Then, yeah, sorry, I misspoke.

00:48:34.000 I know that was going to get because that turned into a complicated discussion.

00:48:39.000 It was a little heated, too.

00:48:42.000 But, I mean, basically.

00:48:43.000 On your perspective, I will not convince you.

00:48:45.000 Of course, if you start with an axiom in your thought where you say there are some things that are evil, some things are good, I will not offer you a thought system that would allow you to change your mind on this.

00:48:57.000 However, I will point out that.

00:48:59.000 The greatness of Catholic civilization was partly due to other considerations than just that.

00:49:06.000 Uh, and some, some of which are to be understood from a libertarian perspective.

00:49:12.000 Uh, people were free to go at the church and they were free to contribute to the church.

00:49:17.000 And, and Catholicism has emerged and has, has created some of the best societies precisely in that state of liberty.

00:49:25.000 So I would say, even if I don't, uh, convince you that some things that of my moral nihilism, I would like to convince you and red pill you a little bit about libertarianism and how the flaw that you see in libertarianism, I don't have it in my form of libertarianism because I don't believe that people are the best people to know what they want.

00:49:49.000 I don't adhere to that view that the reason the state is bad is that because the state doesn't know what people want and that people actually know what they want.

00:49:58.000 In fact, I state it, people don't even know what they want.

00:50:02.000 The key to good libertarianism is that.

00:50:05.000 It's okay that they don't know what they want as long as they pay the consequences on their reproductive success of the decisions that they will make.

00:50:14.000 That's the essence of libertarianism, is that the statism will separate the decision from the individual and from its reproductive success.

00:50:24.000 So, for example, a state may have interest because of its voter patterns to give welfare to everyone.

00:50:34.000 However, an individual and the individual doesn't.

00:50:37.000 Pay for it, of course, because the individual is a recipient of this benefactory action from the state.

00:50:43.000 That's an example of a division between who pays and who benefits.

00:50:49.000 And those systems are not sustainable from a purely theoretical standpoint.

00:50:53.000 You can see that they're not sustainable because now you're farming in your society more welfare recipients.

00:51:00.000 The beauty of libertarianism, in light of a biological understanding of human civilization, is that in libertarianism, the person who's making the error is also paying for it.

00:51:13.000 That's the key because this.

00:51:15.000 Keeps systems from evolving within your civilization that will favor unfit and unwanted behavior.

00:51:23.000 Yeah, no, that's.

00:51:25.000 I think I would describe myself more as like a Hoppe libertarian.

00:51:29.000 I would kind of describe the middle ground maybe as a fusion between Hoppe and De Maestre because I agree with so many of your points about incentives, about responsibility, accountability of people having consequences for their actions.

00:51:45.000 I mean, that's.

00:51:46.000 That's naturally how you create good feedback loops in the sense that if people don't have to pay for their consequences, there's a moral hazard that they're going to make risky, bad decisions in the future.

00:51:56.000 So I totally understand where you're coming from on incentives and that kind of free market view of human action.

00:52:03.000 My only qualm is this idea of the society has to be ordered from the top by the state, has to be ordered from the top by some kind of powerful apparatus.

00:52:14.000 And if, for example, if you have like Dictator JF, Who says we're going to have this country?

00:52:19.000 These are the rules. 0.91

00:52:21.000 There are no rules.

00:52:21.000 You know, these are the rules.

00:52:22.000 It's the non aggression principle, and we're going to protect people's rights, and we're going to do this and that.

00:52:28.000 I think that would be more sustainable as long as you had somebody calling the shots.

00:52:32.000 De Maistre said that the only legitimate form of authority you have is when it's mandated by God, when it's vested in a deity.

00:52:40.000 He says otherwise, all authority is basically circumstantial.

00:52:44.000 It's all particularist.

00:52:45.000 It all comes from man.

00:52:46.000 So I think if you fuse those two premises, I think you would arrive at a At a soft compromise between these two ideals, where at once you have a society where you have actions and consequences and incentives and all these other things, but at the same time you have basically a vanguard who is constantly in motion, constantly sustaining a society with those kinds of incentives and rules and everything, and one that has the right rules and the just rules.

00:53:15.000 Because so often the problem that you run into with the libertarian paradigm, and you see this all the time with stupider libertarians, is They start saying people shouldn't have a driver's license and you should have prostitution or child prostitution or what do they call it ethical child pornography, all these kinds of things in the absence of immoral content.

00:53:35.000 It's hard on first principles to say, well, these things are wrong and these things are okay. 0.95

00:53:40.000 It seems sort of arbitrary.

00:53:41.000 So I think if you couple the good parts of the incentives and all the rest with some sense of, well, we have to have a bedrock, we have to have rules, I think that's a fair compromise.

00:53:53.000 Do you think that's.

00:53:54.000 That's agreeable?

00:53:56.000 Well, I would agree, but I don't think it's even a compromise because people, I don't even go in depth about what my libertarianism and hop libertarianism can reach, but we can reach heavily regulated societies.

00:54:13.000 That's what people don't understand because there's a bunch of libertarians on the internet who have pushed this idea that, oh, libertarian societies is the nap. 0.77

00:54:22.000 You can have as much immigrants as you want.

00:54:23.000 There would be things like you mentioned. 1.00

00:54:26.000 Ethical child pornography or stuff like this.

00:54:29.000 The form of libertarian that I defend is simply a resistance to non consensual relationships.

00:54:36.000 So, the state, by being there and by taking so much of my money and doing stuff with it that I don't consent to, that is a violation.

00:54:44.000 Now, the libertarian states that I propose would have what Up calls covenant.

00:54:50.000 There would be groups of people who decide these are the rules here and we agree to it.

00:54:58.000 And of course, there are all of the rules of current societies and all of the rules that you could call moral, Nick.

00:55:06.000 And that you consider come from God, I claim that they could easily be adopted in a libertarian society as long as they don't impose behavior on others and as long as they don't allow others to take from my pockets to do stuff with my money.

00:55:23.000 I think that's very, you know, if I were to start some kind of Catholic covenant in a future anarcho capitalist society, I can't promise we wouldn't crusade all the others.

00:55:34.000 I can't promise there wouldn't be an inquisition for all the profligates, you know, but. 0.88

00:55:41.000 But I, we're wondering.

00:55:43.000 You are the kind of person that Hop may decide to physically remove.

00:55:48.000 That's right. 0.90

00:55:49.000 I'll be thrown out of a helicopter, you know.

00:55:52.000 If you get too imperialistic, sorry, I'll be on the side of Hop.

00:55:56.000 That's right.

00:55:56.000 Well, there you go.

00:55:57.000 There you go.

00:55:58.000 It'll be the spontaneous order will respond like antibodies.

00:56:02.000 They'll swarm me.

00:56:03.000 I'll be drowned in the free market.

00:56:06.000 But it was a great conversation.

00:56:08.000 I think that's a pretty natural endpoint.

00:56:11.000 And I think a really good talk about.

00:56:14.000 A subject that's very pertinent as we look at the future of the West, I think we have to grapple with these ideas of objective truth or universal truth or these kinds of things.

00:56:24.000 And so when we talk about things that might just bug people, like, oh, these jag offs at Cato are saying everything's so good, but it's not, I think it's really important to explore the profound philosophical differences that underlie those things.

00:56:38.000 You know, why has it gotten this way?

00:56:41.000 What has contributed to that?

00:56:42.000 So I think it was a really great discussion.

00:56:44.000 And thanks so much for coming on.

00:56:45.000 It was great having you.

00:56:47.000 We'd love to have you back sometime.

00:56:49.000 Absolutely.

00:56:50.000 I'll be back.

00:56:50.000 And if you can, in the meantime, send me some of that water.

00:56:54.000 I'd like to taste it.

00:56:55.000 It looks pretty pure and it looks very cold in your container.

00:56:59.000 I'd be very interested in having a taste.

00:57:01.000 Very good.

00:57:02.000 I'll forward your information to my water guy, to my handler.

00:57:07.000 All right.

00:57:08.000 Wonderful.

00:57:08.000 Well, thanks so much.

00:57:09.000 Take it easy, big guy.

00:57:11.000 Bye bye.

00:57:13.000 Well, there you have it.

00:57:14.000 A good talk with Mr. J.F. Gareipi.

00:57:18.000 Finally, the moment we've all been waiting for.

00:57:20.000 The cans get to come off.

00:57:22.000 I can't hear myself when I wear these.

00:57:24.000 I can't hear myself.

00:57:27.000 Which I don't know.

00:57:28.000 I guess that's what it's like to be deaf, maybe.

00:57:30.000 Well, maybe hard of hearing.

00:57:33.000 But it was a good interview.

00:57:34.000 I think that was a great conversation.

00:57:36.000 I think that was a pretty good, you know, usually I like to do current events.

00:57:40.000 Usually I like to do just kind of topical things, but it's always good.

00:57:43.000 And I think we've done a lot of that this week the deep dive, the deep dive, really getting into the dirty work of political.

00:57:52.000 And me and Jared Taylor talked about that.

00:57:52.000 Theory.

00:57:55.000 Me and Faith talked about that.

00:57:56.000 Me and JF.

00:57:57.000 And I think over the week, we've seen a lot of different perspectives on these issues.

00:58:01.000 You know, of course, Jared Taylor is a white advocate who I'm not sure his religious affiliation, but it's about maintaining that kind of population that's conducive to society.

00:58:13.000 We had Faith, who's obviously a strong Catholic like myself, and she's got her view of the world, and JF, who's the mad scientist, the evil scientist, and a very intelligent guy as well.

00:58:25.000 And, you know, I really value JF because it's a view that I think many people have, but he, I think, understands and is honest about the implications of it, you know, because so often you get these libertarians, you get these punk kids where they're like 20, you know, they've never worked a job that's made them sweat in their life.

00:58:48.000 They're in college and they're telling people who are driven out of work by technology, oh, well, you should learn to code, you know.

00:58:55.000 So all the libertarians are usually these like greasy haired, Mark Zuckerberg types.

00:59:00.000 They're either in the frat party drinking a beer or just learn to code, you know?

00:59:03.000 So to have JF on to talk about what I think is a very prominent materialist, nihilist worldview who understands the worldview, the implications of it, I think it's a good thing.

00:59:16.000 So a great conversation.

00:59:18.000 We're lucky to have him.

00:59:19.000 We're lucky to have him.

00:59:21.000 And he really came on the scene.

00:59:22.000 I wasn't really aware of him, or they weren't really on my radar before the Bloodsports thing.

00:59:27.000 So it's good to have him on the show again.

00:59:29.000 He'd welcome back anytime.

00:59:31.000 But don't go anywhere just yet.

00:59:32.000 We're going to get into our Streamlabs and our Super Chats.

00:59:36.000 We got the Big Water on tap.

00:59:38.000 We've got the Purple Polo, a little pastel for summer here on Casual Friday.

00:59:46.000 And now we're going to just hang out a little bit in the Streamlabs and the Super Chats.

00:59:52.000 We'll see what the masses are saying.

00:59:54.000 What are the masses saying about this?

00:59:56.000 Looks like we've only got one sad Streamlab hanging out all by himself.

01:00:03.000 It's all right, he's the lone fan for tonight.

01:00:06.000 John Shepard Smith says, interesting discussion, guys.

01:00:09.000 I wonder if monopoly isn't one of the problems here.

01:00:12.000 From JS' perspective, the state's monopoly.

01:00:16.000 From a Nix perspective, corporate monopolies, pushing consumption, et cetera. 0.81

01:00:20.000 We don't break up monopolies a lot these days.

01:00:26.000 It's really more so about power and legitimacy in the sense that I think where the anarcho capitalist argument kind of misses the boat on this one is, and this is something I used to reject a lot.

01:00:39.000 Something that Tom Hartman talked a lot about on Russia Today when he would debate Austin Peterson, which I used to watch a lot, was this premise can you really have a free market in the absence of state control?

01:00:51.000 Can you really have a free market in the absence of this Hobbesian order of a 51% or 50% plus one of force in the country keeping everything else in check?

01:01:05.000 Because if you read Hobbes, and I encourage everyone, it's a big influence on me.

01:01:11.000 Hobbes, who wrote in the 17th century during the English Civil War, he lived through a very tough time where people are killing each other.

01:01:18.000 There's no order.

01:01:20.000 There's no state to ensure that everybody's all right and they're able to get to work and not kill each other and all the rest.

01:01:26.000 He said, in just about every circumstance, order is better than disorder.

01:01:30.000 And he said, the only way that you get order, the only way you prevent a war of all against all, where life is nasty and brutish and short, is if you have a Leviathan, which is the state.

01:01:41.000 Which would be a force that is more overwhelming than all other forces put against it, maintaining some kind of order.

01:01:48.000 And even if there's abuses, even if there's inefficiencies, it's preferable to disorder.

01:01:53.000 And so, to me, when people talk about anarcho capitalist societies, I think about the Leviathan.

01:01:59.000 I think about, well, how do you have any kind of semblance of order?

01:02:03.000 How do you have rules?

01:02:04.000 How do you have security?

01:02:05.000 You know, they say, well, you could contract security companies and courts and private this and private that.

01:02:10.000 And in fairness, I haven't looked at the totality of their arguments because I just think it's kind of a.

01:02:16.000 It's kind of a non starter.

01:02:16.000 False premise.

01:02:18.000 The idea that you subtract people enforcing the rules and you don't get people enforcing their own rules in their place.

01:02:25.000 Who's to say that the private security company doesn't just decide to shake you down for a little bit more money?

01:02:31.000 We're the ones with all the guns and all the rest.

01:02:37.000 So to me, that's really the problem I guess monopolies may be the wrong word so much as it is about Leviathan, so much as it is about the central legitimate exercise of force and authority.

01:02:51.000 Do we have a state?

01:02:52.000 Who is putting into the society positive content, you know, as opposed to liberalism, where it says the state is just there to make sure that it's a free for all, you know? 1.00

01:03:02.000 The state is just the referee to make sure that we have this homosexual gladiator battle for your lives. 0.97

01:03:09.000 And, you know, it's you and your poor family, your middle class family, against General Electric and 21st Century Fox. 0.98

01:03:17.000 And the government's just there to make sure that, you know, they don't totally, completely steamroll you directly.

01:03:22.000 You know, if that's the case, you know, I don't know if that's really ideal.

01:03:26.000 The monopoly of the state should be, it's not just about maintaining a free for all that's like self contained.

01:03:34.000 It's about, well, everybody has to stay in their lane.

01:03:39.000 There's regulations, there's rules, and all the rest.

01:03:43.000 People say we shouldn't legislate morality.

01:03:44.000 We shouldn't legislate this or that.

01:03:46.000 Why not?

01:03:47.000 Why not?

01:03:48.000 I don't know.

01:03:49.000 Sometimes it doesn't always lead to the best outcomes, but certainly I think it's preferable to the present order.

01:03:55.000 People are so glad about.

01:03:57.000 We got the church out of the state.

01:03:59.000 We've gotten church out of society.

01:04:01.000 We've gotten morality out of legislation.

01:04:03.000 And that's a big celebration.

01:04:05.000 And then people are surprised that morality has evaporated.

01:04:09.000 We drove out religion.

01:04:11.000 We drove out moral conduct.

01:04:13.000 And then everybody's like, hey, wait a minute.

01:04:15.000 Everything's terrible now.

01:04:16.000 Everybody's horrible. 0.98

01:04:20.000 There's pedophiles everywhere. 1.00

01:04:21.000 And the elites are all having satanic sex rituals. 0.99

01:04:26.000 What are we going to do? 0.83

01:04:27.000 It's like, well, gee, maybe you should have thought about that before you decided you had it all figured out.

01:04:32.000 So it's really about power.

01:04:35.000 It's about who gets to call the shots.

01:04:38.000 God gets to call the shots.

01:04:39.000 It's about authority.

01:04:42.000 Rawhide says, Nick, my Nigerian.

01:04:46.000 Death Grips are unironically the best contemporary band going around.

01:04:50.000 I was about to make a joke, but I was like, you know, better not.

01:04:54.000 I already did some mild apologism for Hitler, so maybe it's best to lay off the hot takes for the night.

01:05:02.000 Death Grips are unironically the best contemporary band going around.

01:05:05.000 Listen to the Money Store.

01:05:06.000 I think you will like it.

01:05:08.000 Anyway, keep up the good work, my man. 1.00

01:05:09.000 You need to talk to more Aussies. 0.99

01:05:11.000 Hit me up in the next call-in show. 0.99

01:05:14.000 We'll do Big Guy, and I'll check out the Death Grips.

01:05:17.000 I'll see what that's all about. 1.00

01:05:20.000 But yeah, no, the Aussies, I was up all night last night. 0.99

01:05:24.000 But let's take a look. 0.99

01:05:25.000 Let's look at our Super Chats.

01:05:26.000 We'll see what we've got going on here.

01:05:32.000 Let's take a look.

01:05:32.000 Krillin876 says.

01:05:36.000 Ask JF about the maple syrup mafia.

01:05:38.000 Didn't get a chance to.

01:05:40.000 I'll have to ask him the next time.

01:05:42.000 Yosemite Sam says the next 100 years of innovation will dwarf the last 100 years.

01:05:47.000 We're moving beyond hardware and driving innovations in software.

01:05:51.000 Welcome to 2018.

01:05:52.000 Yeah, I disagreed a little bit about that, but I really wanted to focus more on modernity as opposed to technology, which is a big part of it, but that's, in fairness, a much bigger subject and field than its own, of which I'm not really.

01:06:07.000 A master of the subject.

01:06:09.000 You guys know I'm not really an authority on technology when I'm taking 20 pound dumbbells and smashing my mouse because the receiver doesn't work.

01:06:18.000 So, yeah, I definitely agree, though, that technology is going to take off in an exponential way.

01:06:24.000 Thing is, though, we're not really seeing it.

01:06:26.000 You know, everybody's like, AI is such a concern.

01:06:29.000 The machines are taking over.

01:06:30.000 You know, everybody says that.

01:06:32.000 And then I'm like, I'm using my iPhone, and it's like I can't load a two minute video on Twitter.

01:06:38.000 So it's like, okay, which is it?

01:06:40.000 On the one hand, they're saying they're going to become smarter than we are.

01:06:43.000 And then on the other hand, it can't load a two minute, 20 second video without the sound keep going, without the video going.

01:06:52.000 You know, YouTube, I turn on the video and it says live stream offline when I'm watching the replay.

01:06:58.000 So I wish we could get on that machine's getting smarter than us, right?

01:07:03.000 It's like I want to put a meme on Twitter.

01:07:06.000 I'm in my camera roll.

01:07:07.000 There's 2,500 pictures.

01:07:08.000 You're telling me there's not some way we could search that better?

01:07:12.000 You got facial recognition.

01:07:13.000 You've got my biometric data.

01:07:17.000 You can predict if people are going to die to a 95% certainty.

01:07:21.000 But you're telling me I can't open up my camera roll and look up cigarette Pepe and just, you know, as opposed to, well, I think I saved that before the election in November 2016.

01:07:31.000 So I got to scroll past that picture of us on election night.

01:07:35.000 The one with all the Pepes when I saved them all that one time, you know.

01:07:38.000 So it's like the technology people, we need to figure it out, all right?

01:07:43.000 They're so impressed with themselves.

01:07:47.000 I'm just going to go off to, I'm going to leave.

01:07:47.000 I hate it.

01:07:49.000 I'm going to go to the woods.

01:07:50.000 I'm so done.

01:07:50.000 I'm done.

01:07:52.000 The next audio issue that I have, the next time, you know, something goes amiss with my phone, I'm just, I'm done, folks.

01:08:00.000 You know, if there's a network issue, the Wi Fi doesn't connect, I'm not running troubleshooter.

01:08:06.000 I'm not calling up Lynch.

01:08:07.000 I'm not calling ATT.

01:08:09.000 I'm going to take a sledgehammer.

01:08:11.000 I'm going to knock the monitors down and I'm just going to go off into the forest preserve or I'm going to just go off into the woods.

01:08:17.000 Going to take the car and I'm just going to go.

01:08:20.000 Into the woods.

01:08:21.000 No clothes, no nothing. 0.74

01:08:23.000 I'll bring some catboys along. 1.00

01:08:25.000 Well, okay, no, forget that last part.

01:08:27.000 But I'm just going to go into the woods, going to go into a cabin and be alone away from the machine.

01:08:35.000 I've had enough.

01:08:37.000 Let's see. 1.00

01:08:39.000 Frederick White says, JF, are you a feminist? 1.00

01:08:42.000 Nick, are you a feminist? 0.93

01:08:44.000 Well, JF identifies as a feminist. 0.89

01:08:46.000 You guys know I don't.

01:08:47.000 I'm actually an anti feminist.

01:08:49.000 You know, not only am I not one, I'm not like one of the real, I'm not actually a feminist. 0.66

01:08:56.000 Dems are the real sexists.

01:08:57.000 Now, I am a legit sexist in that I believe the sexes are real, you know, right? 0.95

01:09:03.000 It's funny the origin of these words. 1.00

01:09:05.000 You're a racist, you're a sexist. 0.97

01:09:06.000 Well, I mean, kind of, I think race is real. 1.00

01:09:09.000 I think sex is real. 0.89

01:09:11.000 Does that make me a bad person?

01:09:13.000 Does that mean I hate anybody?

01:09:14.000 No.

01:09:16.000 But the etymology of these words, it's just kind of confusing. 0.85

01:09:21.000 You're a sexist. 1.00

01:09:22.000 Well, correct.

01:09:23.000 I think men and women are different. 0.97

01:09:25.000 And things that are different should be treated differently, right?

01:09:29.000 I mean, you treat a baby differently than you treat a grown person.

01:09:33.000 You treat a dog different than you treat a squirrel. 0.74

01:09:36.000 You treat a man different than you treat a woman because they are different.

01:09:40.000 And so, does that make me a sexist? 0.62

01:09:42.000 Maybe. 0.96

01:09:42.000 That doesn't mean I hate women. 0.96

01:09:43.000 I actually love women, I cherish women.

01:09:46.000 Nobody loves women more than me.

01:09:47.000 I respect them. 0.98

01:09:49.000 But we want to make sure they're doing okay.

01:09:52.000 And so, I guess what you could call me really is a momist.

01:09:56.000 I believe in moms.

01:09:57.000 I believe we have to empower women. 0.94

01:10:00.000 To become moms, to obey their husbands, to stay in the house and take care of the domestic activities.

01:10:06.000 And look, there's accommodations made in the church by myself.

01:10:11.000 Look, there are extenuating circumstances.

01:10:15.000 My grandmother's the strongest woman I know.

01:10:18.000 What she went through, because, and I don't want to get into the personal details, but she had to raise a family in a way that many people would never understand, and an incredibly strong person.

01:10:28.000 There are extenuating circumstances, and that's a testament to the strength of women. 0.99

01:10:32.000 They are versatile. 0.97

01:10:34.000 But if we're talking about the ideal, if we're talking about what are we striving for?

01:10:39.000 What is the most consistent with the needs and the appetites of people?

01:10:44.000 What's going to put them in the best situation?

01:10:46.000 What's best for people, generally speaking, the ideal is that you have men, they're the breadwinner, they're out there grinding.

01:10:54.000 The kings are out there rising and grinding.

01:10:56.000 They're bringing home the bacon, they're killing the tigers, working in the factories, gunning down the enemies of America.

01:11:05.000 And the moms are at home raising the kids. 0.95

01:11:07.000 That's an ideal situation. 0.93

01:11:08.000 And it's not even a bad situation. 1.00

01:11:10.000 People are like, you think women should be. 1.00

01:11:13.000 Hanging out at home with babies all day, so you must hate them. 1.00

01:11:17.000 What?

01:11:18.000 As if it's like a death sentence.

01:11:20.000 Yeah.

01:11:21.000 Hey, listen, babe, can I talk to you about something?

01:11:25.000 Look, I know you want to go fight the Taliban in Afghanistan.

01:11:29.000 I know you want to drive around in a Jeep and try not to get hit with nail bombs, but I'm a more traditional guy.

01:11:36.000 I just think you should be in an air conditioned home that's bought and paid for all day playing with babies, which, I mean, we all love babies.

01:11:44.000 I know that's a big ask, though.

01:11:46.000 Like it's.

01:11:46.000 Right?

01:11:47.000 Oh, I know that's so terrible. 1.00

01:11:49.000 We must really hate women that we're telling them, yeah, we'll go get exploded and like work in the factories and, you know, want to put a bullet in our head making spreadsheets and stuff. 1.00

01:11:59.000 And you just hang out with your children, you know, your babies. 0.99

01:12:04.000 Is there anything better than hanging out with a baby?

01:12:08.000 I don't think so.

01:12:08.000 Your child?

01:12:09.000 So I'm a momist.

01:12:11.000 I'm a strong momist.

01:12:12.000 We want to support women, we want to support moms.

01:12:15.000 I'm like a human push up, bra.

01:12:17.000 I support women.

01:12:19.000 I forget whose joke that was. 0.99

01:12:20.000 That's a totally stolen joke.

01:12:22.000 That's from 30 Rock. 0.88

01:12:23.000 Tina Faye said that in that show.

01:12:25.000 But that's basically what I am.

01:12:26.000 I support women. 1.00

01:12:28.000 First name, last name says Nick, drop the racist and anti Semitic alt right BS. 1.00

01:12:35.000 Ideology matters most.

01:12:37.000 We win with ideas, not identity politics.

01:12:40.000 You're acting like a lefty.

01:12:42.000 This stuff.

01:12:43.000 Come on, guys.

01:12:44.000 It's just a joke.

01:12:45.000 Am I being punked?

01:12:46.000 Am I being pranked here?

01:12:48.000 You know, this kind of stuff is so blue pilled.

01:12:52.000 So lacking in perspective and context.

01:12:56.000 Let's start with racist and anti Semitic.

01:12:59.000 First of all, you misspelled anti Semitic.

01:13:01.000 I'm not going to hold that against you.

01:13:04.000 I'm not a racist.

01:13:05.000 Well, am I?

01:13:05.000 I don't know.

01:13:06.000 I would never discriminate against a person of another race.

01:13:09.000 I don't hate people of other races.

01:13:11.000 I don't think lesser of people of other races.

01:13:13.000 Do I think race is real?

01:13:15.000 Yes.

01:13:16.000 There's a biological component, there's a social component, of course.

01:13:19.000 Does that make me a racist?

01:13:21.000 Well, what's your definition of racist?

01:13:22.000 I'm not a white supremacist.

01:13:23.000 I don't discriminate.

01:13:24.000 I'm not really prejudiced.

01:13:26.000 But I do believe that race exists.

01:13:27.000 If that makes me a racist, you know, so be it. 0.91

01:13:31.000 Anti Semitic, I'm not anti Semitic.

01:13:33.000 I think that Jews have a certain history, a certain tradition, a culture that is unique to them, that's gone on for thousands of years. 1.00

01:13:42.000 Part of what's made them, that's given them the longevity that they've had, is some of the things that make them somewhat antagonistic in some of the countries that they reside in. 0.99

01:13:53.000 It's certainly not all Jews, but what you find is that there's a divergence between the will of the people. 0.98

01:13:59.000 And the preferences and worldview of the elites, and Jews happen to constitute a big part of the elites. 0.72

01:14:04.000 Now, you could say that's because they're educated.

01:14:06.000 You could say that's because they're in many great cities.

01:14:10.000 They're an international people because they're a diaspora people and they've been in these cities for forever.

01:14:16.000 You could say it's because they're talented or because there's a degree of nepotism that they're looking out for one another.

01:14:21.000 But you have to understand that when we talk about the elites, the statistics don't lie, folks.

01:14:27.000 They constitute a big part of that.

01:14:28.000 And so it's not to say that, oh, anybody who's Jewish, anybody who believes in the Jewish religion is a bad person.

01:14:33.000 It is to say that you have to recognize the culture of.

01:14:38.000 The Jewish people does, in many cases, go hand in hand with cosmopolitanism, with transnationalism, globalism, and all the rest.

01:14:46.000 But you certainly see that in Anglos, white liberals as well.

01:14:49.000 So I'm not anti, I'm not against Jews.

01:14:51.000 I think we just recognize that they are a distinct people with distinct characteristics.

01:14:56.000 That doesn't make me anti.

01:14:58.000 Ideology matters most.

01:14:59.000 Quite the opposite.

01:15:00.000 Ideology is corrosive and cancerous.

01:15:03.000 I don't care about ideology, I care about virtue.

01:15:06.000 You know, I don't care if the country conforms to what.

01:15:09.000 Some dead philosopher wrote, I care if it conforms to the word of God, if people are virtuous and things are just. 0.99

01:15:16.000 So ideology is trash. 0.97

01:15:17.000 Ideology impedes virtue. 0.98

01:15:20.000 So, you know, you want to say we should sacrifice ourselves on the altar of ideology? 0.77

01:15:24.000 Welcome to the Soviet Union.

01:15:26.000 Welcome to modern liberal America.

01:15:29.000 He says, We win with ideas, not identity politics.

01:15:31.000 Well, don't you think the idea that races are different is a valid and important idea?

01:15:36.000 Don't you think that changes ideas?

01:15:39.000 The idea that we could oppose egalitarianism is an important one.

01:15:42.000 So it's not.

01:15:43.000 Identity politics is a vapid, empty buzzword.

01:15:46.000 Identitarianism is a profound idea that's defined people for generations and will define this century as we are entering the clash of civilizations.

01:15:56.000 You're acting like a lefty.

01:15:57.000 Well, you know, what does that even mean? 0.91

01:15:59.000 First name, last name says, I'm a Republican, but I can't stand the growing Jew hate.

01:16:04.000 Yeah, why don't you read Brett Stevens' column then in the New York Times and then tell me why you think there is some frustration at a certain transnational group of people?

01:16:15.000 Why don't you read Brett Stevens' column?

01:16:17.000 What people are really sick and tired of is this double standard.

01:16:21.000 What people are sick and tired of is the game that is played that Israel, and this is Brett Stevens, who wrote for the Jerusalem Post, and then he wrote for the Wall Street Journal, and then he writes for the New York Times.

01:16:32.000 He writes on Israel's 70th anniversary that Israel has a right to gun down peaceful protesters because they're defending their nation. 0.76

01:16:40.000 Then he writes in the New York Times yesterday that, yeah, I'm in favor of open borders.

01:16:45.000 If open borders means we're going to bring in as many immigrants as possible, then call me open borders.

01:16:50.000 How about Ben Shapiro, right wing guy, writes for Daily Wire, who wrote in 2003, I think, for Town Hall, that transfer is not a dirty word. 0.64

01:17:00.000 Israel should, in effect, ethnically cleanse Palestine because two people who are against each other cannot be expected to change their cultures and live together peacefully.

01:17:10.000 So this is Ben Shapiro's words they should be ethnically cleansed. 0.51

01:17:13.000 Then he writes during Charlottesville that white nationalism is repulsive.

01:17:18.000 Israel is actually a civic nationalist country.

01:17:20.000 America, he doesn't care about the Browning of America, so which is it? 1.00

01:17:24.000 I mean, that's what people are really sick of. 0.97

01:17:26.000 There are many fine Jews, Stephen Miller, Frame Game Radio.

01:17:31.000 It's not a question of absolutes, it's a question of it's a very great frustration people are feeling.

01:17:38.000 Maybe you don't feel that because maybe you still have your job that hasn't been hollowed out by free trade. 0.99

01:17:43.000 Maybe your kid hasn't been killed by an illegal immigrant like many people have. 0.99

01:17:47.000 So maybe it doesn't hit as close a home to you, but people are sick and tired of the fact that. 0.88

01:17:52.000 The people that run the country, which it is, is this globalist coalition.

01:17:57.000 It's many different types of people, but there are some higher proportions than others that are running the country into the ground.

01:18:05.000 So it's not hatred.

01:18:07.000 I don't hate anybody.

01:18:08.000 I really don't.

01:18:10.000 My heart is filled with nothing but love, but we have to acknowledge facts.

01:18:10.000 I'm a Christian.

01:18:13.000 We have to acknowledge reality in a way that is plain, in a way that is fair, in a way that is realistic.

01:18:20.000 But this kind of talk about, you know, everybody who doesn't, everybody who thinks that if all groups are fine, they're all totally innocuous.

01:18:31.000 Totally the same.

01:18:32.000 You know, all the rest.

01:18:33.000 If you don't totally conform to that, you're some kind of evil person.

01:18:37.000 It's just got to go.

01:18:39.000 It's just got to go.

01:18:41.000 You know, oh, the raccoons are rummaging through my garbage. 1.00

01:18:44.000 Hey, shut the hell up, bigot. 1.00

01:18:47.000 All animals rummage through your garbage. 1.00

01:18:49.000 It's not just raccoons.

01:18:50.000 Well, no, but we do have kind of.

01:18:53.000 There's a lot of raccoons rummaging through the garbage.

01:18:55.000 I don't care.

01:18:56.000 I don't care.

01:18:57.000 It could have equally been a horse or an octopus.

01:19:00.000 You don't go around defaming raccoons like that.

01:19:03.000 What are you, a raccoon hater?

01:19:04.000 It's like.

01:19:05.000 Really?

01:19:06.000 Basic, basic premise. 0.92

01:19:08.000 Amelody DeWinter says Russia is not so bad a place to live.

01:19:12.000 It's not perfect, but they are seeking toward traditional values.

01:19:16.000 I visit yearly.

01:19:17.000 I'm not a big apologist for Russia, believe me, but definitely you're seeing a resurgence of Christianity.

01:19:24.000 It's by no means complete or perfect, but you're seeing a resurgence of Christianity.

01:19:29.000 They reflect the changing world order, they are reordering their country around. 0.96

01:19:36.000 Ethnicity, around tradition, around religion.

01:19:40.000 All smart, forward thinking countries are doing this. 0.78

01:19:43.000 China, the Koreas, Japan, the Muslim world.

01:19:47.000 They're all, you know, whereas the last century was ideology, democracy, liberalism, communism, fascism, corporatism, globalism. 1.00

01:19:59.000 All those countries are dinosaurs, dumb, dying. 0.77

01:20:01.000 The countries that are turning back towards what defines us in a very primitive way, going back to the To history, in effect, Francis Fukuyama said it was over, we're going back. 0.99

01:20:12.000 Those countries are going to be the ones that succeed.

01:20:16.000 China was not affected by the fall of communism because when communism failed, the country didn't fail.

01:20:22.000 They united around a more salient identity, which was a 2,000 or 3,000 year old Han culture that was there forever and tradition.

01:20:33.000 That's a very resilient and durable country.

01:20:36.000 America's identity is.

01:20:39.000 What even is it anymore?

01:20:40.000 It's not ethnic.

01:20:41.000 It's not racial.

01:20:42.000 It's not even cultural anymore.

01:20:43.000 It's barely political.

01:20:44.000 We don't even agree about the Constitution anymore.

01:20:47.000 So you have this very vapid and hollow American creed, the Constitution, the Declaration.

01:20:53.000 So in one corner, you've got a million and a half people who love their ethnicity, love their people, love their tradition.

01:21:04.000 They're not glued to any ideology so long as their nation succeeds.

01:21:07.000 In the other corner, the polyglot boarding house of the world, united by.

01:21:13.000 This document, this piece of paper that nobody even speaks English anymore.

01:21:17.000 Like, not going to happen, folks.

01:21:20.000 Bill the Butcher.

01:21:21.000 Hmm.

01:21:22.000 Somewhere between capitalism and communism, some sort of nationalistic, traditionalist, socialist society?

01:21:29.000 Be careful, big guy.

01:21:31.000 Be careful.

01:21:32.000 We're not Hitler people.

01:21:34.000 We are against Hitler. 0.73

01:21:35.000 We are against Hitler. 0.76

01:21:39.000 And we're against National Socialism. 0.58

01:21:40.000 We are unironically against National Socialism.

01:21:43.000 I am.

01:21:45.000 It's condemned by the church.

01:21:46.000 But there has to be a middle ground between the free market and liberalism and, you know, this other stuff.

01:21:53.000 So it's all about balance, temperance.

01:21:57.000 VGEDR says, for JF, it could be interesting to explore the parallels between your concept of phenotypic revolution and the organizing of people into tribes being replaced by organizing into types of states.

01:22:10.000 Yeah, well, he's not exactly here at the moment, but very true.

01:22:16.000 I think that'll.

01:22:17.000 You look at the history of the last 100 years, it's realigning borders and nations around nations, around peoples, right?

01:22:27.000 Look at World War I. Russian Empire, Ottoman Empire, Austro Hungarian Empire come in.

01:22:36.000 After the war, they're all scattered and more defined by ethnic category.

01:22:42.000 The Eastern Russian states break off.

01:22:49.000 Austria Hungary breaks up into many different countries.

01:22:52.000 The Ottoman Empire breaks up into many different territories.

01:22:55.000 In World War II, same thing happens.

01:22:58.000 Hitler tried to reorganize the ethnic German people.

01:23:01.000 It didn't work out so well.

01:23:03.000 And after World War II, you have the German people in Germany.

01:23:06.000 After the fall of the Soviet Union, you have a reordering in Europe and in Central Asia of people claiming countries based on their nationality Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan.

01:23:20.000 You've got all the countries in East Europe.

01:23:23.000 You've got Yugoslavia, which comes apart, and Bosnia and Croatia and all those other places.

01:23:30.000 So the trend has been pretty clear. 0.87

01:23:33.000 It's towards like an ethnic redefinition of the nation state, which is, you know, like what it should have been in the first place. 1.00

01:23:39.000 But, yeah, so I definitely think that that could be in our future. 0.99

01:23:45.000 Tactical Boomerism says, I love both you guys.

01:23:48.000 Keep fighting the good fight together.

01:23:50.000 Of course not.

01:23:51.000 I mean, me and JF are good buddies.

01:23:54.000 And I like JF because we disagree and he's never nasty.

01:23:58.000 He doesn't raise his voice or anything like that, which helps because, you know, I.

01:24:04.000 I have a tendency where if people are a little bit that way, I'm a lot that way. 0.98

01:24:08.000 So I like to have them on because it's calm, it's casual, you know, it's not a yelling, screaming match, it's not a shit show. 0.97

01:24:18.000 So it's a good team. 0.99

01:24:19.000 Michael Jones says, Great week of shows, big guy.

01:24:22.000 You're on fire.

01:24:23.000 Thank you, my man.

01:24:24.000 I hope you guys enjoyed.

01:24:25.000 I did try my best to put together a bunch of good shows with high level guests, and we got another great week planned for next week.

01:24:33.000 So I hope you enjoyed the guests.

01:24:34.000 People have been telling me all the time.

01:24:37.000 Nick, you got to get guests.

01:24:38.000 You got to get guests.

01:24:40.000 And don't get me wrong, everybody loves the shows when it's just me.

01:24:42.000 I like them too.

01:24:45.000 But we had been kind of light on guests.

01:24:47.000 And I said, you know, once I get some things sorted out, I'll have some time to do that.

01:24:51.000 So put together a couple of weeks of good shows.

01:24:54.000 So I hope you're enjoying.

01:24:56.000 Al Sabadi says, 2,500 years ago, Socrates taught me mnemonic devices to recall every word of the Iliad and the Odyssey.

01:25:03.000 I've got Anne Frank bread you can't imagine.

01:25:08.000 I disavow.

01:25:09.000 I disavow.

01:25:11.000 But, yeah, it's the mnemonic devices, fellas.

01:25:15.000 Read that book, Moonwalking with Einstein.

01:25:17.000 Very good.

01:25:18.000 My old chem teacher, he did a little book club for us.

01:25:21.000 He was a great guy from Indiana, a real Hoosier.

01:25:25.000 And we did a little book club and we read that book about memory.

01:25:29.000 And it was actually the only time in school that I actually felt like what I was doing was really worthwhile because it wasn't for a test.

01:25:37.000 It was just like, this is an interesting book.

01:25:39.000 You get extra credit points.

01:25:42.000 So, I don't want to dox him, but good fell.

01:25:46.000 Simon Skola says, You going to the second Charlottesville rally in D.C.?

01:25:51.000 Oh, yeah.

01:25:52.000 I'm going to the.

01:25:53.000 That's a great idea.

01:25:54.000 Worked out so well the first three times, right?

01:25:58.000 No, I think I'll be taking a hard pass on Charlottesville 4.0.

01:26:02.000 Very strong pass.

01:26:05.000 I actually saw Jason Kessler at American Renaissance and he was telling me about it.

01:26:11.000 And I'm like, dude, like, these people just don't learn.

01:26:15.000 They just don't learn.

01:26:17.000 They don't have the right idea, folks.

01:26:19.000 These are not the people they're going to make it.

01:26:21.000 I alone can fix.

01:26:24.000 Jack Williams says, homogeneity and the church is a staple.

01:26:27.000 But what about living closer to nature?

01:26:29.000 The countryside is your own little slice of the Wild West freedom, while many cities are high traffic hellscapes.

01:26:35.000 Is it possible to have it all, or is nature escapism?

01:26:38.000 Well, first of all, thank you for the big super chat.

01:26:41.000 And to answer the question, I think that there is a lot of romanticism about nature, but there also is something very legitimate about this.

01:26:53.000 You know, we went through a transcendental phase in this country in the 19th century, a part of the broader romantic.

01:26:59.000 Kind of phase where after the Enlightenment had gotten underway, the triumph of rationalism and empiricism, we had kind of this remission where we said, well, now we're going to paint landscapes and Impressionism and we're going to get back to our roots in the countryside, away from the factories, away from the urban centers.

01:27:20.000 And I definitely think there's something to that.

01:27:22.000 We have to live in a way that's natural.

01:27:25.000 We are organic people that come from the earth.

01:27:27.000 It's wrong to take us out of our habitat.

01:27:32.000 And by the way, you see this everywhere.

01:27:34.000 You see that people are not built for the modern life we have.

01:27:37.000 That's why we need drugs for everything.

01:27:39.000 Because, for example, factory farming has drained the soil of its minerals.

01:27:46.000 So you don't get the proper nutrition from the food that you eat, not like you did 100 years ago.

01:27:52.000 So that's why you see so many people have all these health problems.

01:27:54.000 It's because they're deficient in zinc or in iron or in vitamin C or whatever.

01:27:59.000 You see people have issues with their eyes and ears because they're looking at screens all the time, they've got headphones in their ears.

01:28:05.000 Or they just have noise pollution in big cities.

01:28:08.000 I mean, you see this all over the place.

01:28:11.000 It's like a carcinogen to live in society.

01:28:13.000 And that's, you know, a certain part of that we have to live with.

01:28:17.000 But there has to be some kind of a balance.

01:28:19.000 You know, people who say we're just going to go off the grid and all that, it's a little bit escapist.

01:28:24.000 I understand it.

01:28:25.000 But there's something very real about that.

01:28:29.000 Simon Skola says Have you heard Richard Spencer has a mustache?

01:28:32.000 Yes, I saw.

01:28:33.000 He's.

01:28:36.000 He's really trying his best to.

01:28:40.000 He's really trying his best not to look the part.

01:28:42.000 Let's put it that way, right?

01:28:44.000 No.

01:28:45.000 Just joking, just joking, of course, of course.

01:28:49.000 That's an interesting look, let's say.

01:28:51.000 I've always wanted to get a mustache as well, so I don't know.

01:28:54.000 I think it looks all right.

01:28:55.000 A little cheesy, but hey, I mean, I've always wanted to get a mustache, so I don't blame the guy.

01:29:01.000 Michael Jones, bring Greg Conti on the show, or maybe a debate.

01:29:05.000 No, the guy strikes me as.

01:29:09.000 It's just kind of a not serious person.

01:29:11.000 I don't really know that much about him.

01:29:12.000 I met him, I think, once or twice.

01:29:16.000 I don't have a personal beef with him.

01:29:18.000 I don't want to attack him or anything, but I don't know.

01:29:21.000 Isn't he in jail or something?

01:29:22.000 So, not good optics.

01:29:25.000 Vrosif says going to Seaville Part 2 just for the Spencer stash.

01:29:29.000 You might as well go in a mask just to.

01:29:31.000 Is he going to Charlottesville 2.0?

01:29:34.000 I can't imagine he would.

01:29:36.000 I can't.

01:29:37.000 That would be.

01:29:39.000 I don't know.

01:29:40.000 I'd have to give him a call and say, what are you doing?

01:29:43.000 But I don't know if he's going or not. 0.99

01:29:45.000 Let me see if there's any more Streamlabs here. 0.99

01:29:47.000 We've exhausted our Super Chats. 0.99

01:29:50.000 So let's see.

01:29:51.000 We've got a few more.

01:29:53.000 Level Best says, Frame Game doing mind blowing work lately.

01:29:56.000 Got to get that guy on.

01:29:57.000 Yeah, I'd love to get him on.

01:29:59.000 I've been watching his stuff on JF, and it's really, really good work.

01:30:04.000 You know, you need people like that that are tedious with the details, and they learn the story from start to finish and get into it in a way that you don't get from the headlines, in a way that is actually in depth and exclusive.

01:30:18.000 And he's very good at that.

01:30:19.000 Very smart guy, very talented, a good speaker, and.

01:30:24.000 And he's been on fire lately.

01:30:25.000 So, yeah, I'd love to get him on lately.

01:30:27.000 Maybe we'll get him on next week or the week after.

01:30:30.000 Anonymous says peak optics.

01:30:33.000 I've never had bad optics.

01:30:33.000 Always.

01:30:34.000 Ever.

01:30:35.000 Ever.

01:30:36.000 Never.

01:30:37.000 You know, people are like, what about this time?

01:30:38.000 What about that time?

01:30:40.000 Wrong.

01:30:41.000 Never.

01:30:42.000 It's impossible for me to have bad optics.

01:30:46.000 I am protected from bad optics by the Holy Optics Spirit.

01:30:53.000 That's not blasphemy.

01:30:54.000 I hope that's not blasphemy.

01:30:56.000 But it's true.

01:30:57.000 As the optics king, as the progenitor of the optics right movement, it's just simply impossible for me to have good optics.

01:31:04.000 I have such an instinct for it.

01:31:06.000 I have such.

01:31:07.000 You're either born with it or not.

01:31:08.000 It's in the genes.

01:31:10.000 I was born with good optics.

01:31:11.000 Some people are not.

01:31:12.000 And so, you know, people can say, well, what about this?

01:31:15.000 What about that?

01:31:15.000 They're not very intelligent.

01:31:17.000 People who say that don't really know what they're talking about, they don't really have a point.

01:31:20.000 I always, always have good optics.

01:31:26.000 Anonymous says hashtag anime right.

01:31:28.000 Well,.

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01:32:52.000 It's going to be, I think that one might get a little bloody, so be sure to join us. 0.97

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Is the Free Market Destroying the West feat. JF Gariepy | America First Ep. 186

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