Glenn Greenwald, Alex Jones, Darren Beatty, Glenn Greenwald, and Destiny and the Krasensteins debate the January 6th debate between the Joneses, the Beaksens, and the Greenwald's. It's a tough one, but we'll do our best to make it through it together. Nick Fuentes and I discuss the debate and how we'll get through it, and why we should all do it together even though it's going to suck a little bit, but it'll be worth it in the long-term! Also, we have a special guest on the show to talk about the shared trauma theory and how it can be used to strengthen your bond with someone you care deeply about and strengthen your relationship with them. If you like what you see here, please leave us a rating and a review on Apple Podcasts and we'll read out your comments and thoughts on the debate. Thank you so much for listening and supporting the show, we really appreciate it. -Nick FuENTE xoxo -Nick -RUMBLE CHANNEL -RATE 5 STARS - RATE/SUBSCRIBE 6 STARS 5 STARs - ROWDS 7 STARS 8 STARS 9 STARS PODCAST 6 Starred in the Debate 7 STARs in The Debate 8 Starred In The Debate? 9 Starred at the Debate 8 STARs at The Debate 7 Starred At The Debate 9 Starring the Debate 12 Starred by The Krasenstein Brothers 10 Starred By The Debate 11 Starred 13 Starred Out of the Debate by the Debate 14 Starred On The Debate by The Debate 16 Starred on the Debate 17 Starred and the Debate 18 Starred & the Debate 19 Starred And the Debate 20 Starred from the Debate 21st Starred, the Debate 26 Starred From The Debate 27 Starred - The Debate, The Debate is the Debate, and the Discussion 16 Starring The Debate & The Debate 21 Starred Today's Quote of the Day 17 18 19 21st Day of The Debate 26th Day of January 6/12/19th/25th/26th/27th/28th/29th/30th/31st/27/6/7/8/9/8 And so on and so on & so on
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00:08:55.000This is my Rumble channel, and we're gonna be watching the January 6th Super Debate between Alex Jones, Darren Beatty, Glenn Greenwald, and Destiny, and the Krasenstein Brothers.
00:09:09.000As always, we're starting a little bit late, but that's okay.
00:09:13.000We're gonna catch up, and we're gonna watch the entire debate.
00:12:09.000It's gonna be okay Alright, and actually if you're talking about Glenn Greenwald, you know, we like Glenn Greenwald He does happen to be a homosexual and Jewish, but you know, I actually like him.
00:12:20.000I think he's pretty pretty intelligent so
00:12:25.000You know so he's not so bad but all right we're gonna dive into it it's gonna be this is gonna be a slog but we're gonna start from the beginning we're gonna get through it together and it's gonna be frustrating and it's gonna kind of suck a little bit but you know we're gonna do it together it's called shared trauma
00:12:44.000And this is the basis of a strong connection.
00:12:46.000So we're going to develop a parasocial relationship through the shared trauma.
00:18:51.000I think what Zero Hedge is doing is so important.
00:18:53.000Organizing these kind of substantive structured debates among people who obviously disagree pretty strongly on things and yet nonetheless can have what I hope will be a civil and spirited debate.
00:19:03.000It will be, so I'm really looking forward to it, and I appreciate being asked.
00:19:07.000Yes, that is my job, is to make sure that it maintains civility, structure, organization, and that we don't talk over each other, that we end up listening to each other.
00:19:14.000The real value of humanity, one of the most powerful tools we have is communication, so I think tonight's going to be an exemplary example of that.
00:19:25.000The first question I got for you guys, and this is really for the entire panel and anyone that wants to start it off, maybe we can start with you Edson, just because you're on the end.
00:19:30.000You always know there's like a weird-ass person who says something like, you know, you're doing it, you're introducing a debate and they'll say something out-of-pocket like, communication is one of humanity's most important tools.
00:20:16.000Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States, or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both, and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
00:22:07.000I would say the plot from start to finish is quite obviously an insurrection.
00:22:10.000The only way to get around that is to either justify an insurrection, which is what most conservatives do, they don't realize it, or to deny that an insurrection could ever happen.
00:22:20.000Or, if you're not aware of all the facts of what happened.
00:22:22.000I think that Donald Trump and his cronies had a very coherent plan that they tried to enact from start to finish.
00:22:48.000And I want to make sure that we don't force this into like what they want to call a debate, debate where you got to wait to be called on or anything.
00:22:55.000So if any of you guys, Glenn, you as well, man, if any of you guys want to jump in.
00:23:06.000And I was investigated and subpoenaed.
00:23:08.000By the Justice Department in at least five criminal investigations, and I was forced to testify in front of the Jan 6th Committee, which they've now been destroying their records because the records show the opposite of what they said.
00:23:18.000Trump and all of us had a stage rented by the Supreme Court.
00:23:22.000He was supposed to have another rally there.
00:23:25.000Before Trump ever finished his speech, people were getting tear-gassed and hit by bullets, and there were a bunch of provocateurs leading an attack against the police, and they broke through.
00:23:34.000And then this million-plus people then got blamed as insurrectionists, and Biden gave a big speech yesterday saying they're all terrorists.
00:23:40.000So, by that extension, Kamala Harris, as the VP candidate, was bailing people out of jail that burned down police stations and firebombed federal buildings.
00:23:50.000And the idea of Biden's speech yesterday, making his whole campaign about January 6th, saying political violence is never good.
00:23:57.000The Democrats are the ones that call for political violence.
00:23:59.000So I was there with a bullhorn, but I could only reach 100 yards out when the tear gas was hitting me, saying, don't go in, don't fight the police.
00:24:09.000And so regardless of what the left tries to do, they're all out there.
00:24:12.000Of people taking off their Antifa stuff and putting on the Trump garb and the police fake arresting people, attacking them and then high-fiving them.
00:24:23.000I mean, this has all come out in the new footage and it's all... Wait, fake arresting them?
00:24:57.000So under pressure, they finally adopted him, but only recommend six months.
00:25:01.000A few hundred people got manipulated into fighting the police.
00:25:04.000They were led and driven by provocateurs and other groups.
00:25:07.000They were others, then they opened the doors and the police wave them in in hundreds of videos.
00:25:11.000They walk between the velvet robes and then they indict over a thousand people that just walked through velvet robes.
00:25:17.000And then now we're told in the National Security Directive of President Biden, the number one threat is the American people.
00:25:23.000And he had a declaration of war yesterday against all Trump supporters and says to protect democracy, we're not going to let you vote for Trump.
00:25:30.000So as Stalin said, I care not who cast the votes.
00:25:55.000I don't know in 2023 who thinks it goes hard to say, well as Joseph Stalin said, as Pol Pot said, as Joseph Stalin said, one death is a tragedy.
00:26:07.000You know, this Mao took the guns thing, it's just gotta die.
00:26:10.000Like, you know, most of the people watching my stream right now were born in the 21st century.
00:26:15.000So the stuff about, like, you know, well, a dictator set in the 30s... Coward!
00:27:02.000It was an insurrection that would have been guns.
00:27:04.000And it's in the Declaration of Independence that it's our right and duty to get rid of a government that's destructive of what the people want.
00:27:12.000We're winning this politically, but we're being cast as about to be violent in the next 10 months because all these indictments and all these attacks to not let Americans vote for who they want aren't working and are backfiring.
00:27:23.000And all the big Democrat lawyers now admit it.
00:27:29.000They all admit this attempt, like we're in Venezuela or something, to take Trump off the ballot when he's never been convicted of insurrection.
00:27:40.000If a military tribunal found you were guilty of being involved in insurrection, that meant after the war ended... Can I ask you a question?
00:28:40.000I said that you said that they weren't engaged in an insurrection.
00:28:42.000Do you think the Confederate States were engaged in an insurrection?
00:28:44.000The Insurrection Act was that because there were rebellions during Reconstruction at the end of the Civil War, and they were saying if you lead an uprising against the Northern occupation of the South, you're precluded from running from office because they were worried about Southerners getting office again, like Jefferson.
00:29:00.000So no, I do not support the Civil War or slavery, and I'm not a quote, confederate.
00:29:05.000My question is, was it an insurrection, yes or no?
00:29:36.000You don't need to violate that statute in order to be partaking in an insurrection because the Civil War was an insurrection and nobody got charged with violating that.
00:30:39.000You know, I think we started one... So, I mean, we're ten minutes in, and it's already a monologue, it's already totally derailed, and obviously I'm on his side on this debate.
00:30:51.000I mean, I'm obviously on the side of Jones, Beattie, and Greenwald, but this is just terrible.
00:34:55.000Yeah, I actually think what Destiny and what Ed are saying are very important.
00:34:59.000First of all, I was going to say that I think one of the problems with how these things are debated is that a lot of people these days have very binary prisms for understanding things.
00:35:07.000A lot of that comes from YouTube debate, where you have to declare yourself on one side or the other.
00:35:10.000So Destiny said, oh, everybody either hates this insurrection, thinks it's an insurrection, or they deny it happens, or they think it's good.
00:35:19.000And there's so much middle ground, namely that, for me,
00:35:22.000This was a political protest that spilled over into a riot where a small minority of the people engaged in violence.
00:35:29.000I don't think we want to urge that to happen.
00:35:35.000But the fact that it's laughable to call this an insurrection is actually demonstrated by the examples that they're using.
00:35:41.000This was a three-hour riot that was extremely easily subdued.
00:35:46.000It doesn't remotely compare to any prior insurrections, let alone to the Civil War.
00:35:52.000The only people who were killed on January 6th were four people, all four of whom were Trump supporters, two of whom dropped out of a heart attack and one from a speed overdose, because these were not exactly a well-trained militia.
00:36:06.000And when Jack Smith went to charge Donald Trump with multiple crimes, he had a lot of options to charge him with, and he charged him with a lot of crimes, including very dubious ones.
00:36:15.000He did not charge him with inciting an insurrection for reasons that I think we ought to ask ourselves why.
00:36:22.000But the fact that this is such a minor event in history is demonstrated by the fact that the media, who needed this to be a major event, immediately started lying about what happened, saying that Brian Sicknick
00:37:13.000I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.
00:37:20.000He urged them to be peaceful in how they went there.
00:37:23.000To the extent there was violence, I think you can make the argument that the FBI informants, that even the New York Times admits were there, were the ones that urged it.
00:37:30.000But even if the people who were there were the ones responsible, at best this is a riot.
00:37:35.000You could so easily make the case that the 2020 riots
00:37:39.000I feel like there's a lot that isn't being said in the debate and that's namely what he's talking about the difference between a riot and an insurrection is the the level of conspiracy or on the inverse the degree of spontaneity
00:38:01.000And I feel like that's really all you need to say, is if there's a conspiracy to overthrow the government, or if there's a level of... if they're armed, you can say that that's more comparable to an insurrection.
00:38:15.000You could say that if it's spontaneous, and if there's evidence that it's spontaneous, then that would suggest it was a protest that escalated to a riot.
00:38:25.000And you can determine that by, when you look at what happened on January 6th,
00:38:32.000Reasonably figuring out what the motivation was.
00:38:36.000And if the motivation was to overthrow the government, then probably there would be coordination, planning, and arms.
00:38:43.000If there weren't those things, it would suggest that it was spontaneous, which would suggest that it was not a plan to overthrow the government or to rebel against the government, but it was ad hoc violence.
00:39:23.000Because, of course, the BLM riots are more comparable to January 6th than either of them are to the Civil War.
00:39:31.000And, moreover, the reason why the BLM protests don't constitute an insurrection is because they didn't take place at the United States Capitol building.
00:39:41.000That's kind of the key operative distinction, is the January 6th protest happened at the seat of the sovereign.
00:39:50.000It happened at the seat of the government.
00:41:01.000So, I feel like we've heard from Alex, Darren, and Glenn, and there's a lot of these tangential arguments, which are really, I think, rhetorical arguments that conservatives have been making.
00:41:11.000Rhetorical arguments about how the left compares it to 9-11.
00:43:08.000So the insurrection was not just the three-hour riot that happened at the White House afterwards.
00:43:12.000I think that's the least charitable reading of everything that happened.
00:43:15.000And that's not, if you read any of the charges that either Jack Smith or the Georgia-Rico case has alleged against Trump, are saying that, in fact, not much of the focus is on the three-hour riot at all.
00:43:29.000So not much of those indictments are actually focusing on the three hour riot itself.
00:43:33.000The unprecedented act that there is no answer for, that Kamala Harris or Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton have not engaged in, is using knowingly false election claims for months to try to pressure state electors to change their vote.
00:43:47.000And then when they wouldn't do that, beg them to elect different electors.
00:43:50.000And then when they wouldn't do that, create a plot to create fake electors.
00:43:55.000And then when Pence wouldn't accept that, try to capitalize on that final three-hour riot at the Capitol building to also make phone calls and tell people to decertify their vote or to switch their election.
00:44:47.000What happened with Trump was that Trump tried to get the states to certify a second slate of electors based off of conspiracy theory crap that Electrum has stolen.
00:45:39.000What Trump did was Trump tried to get the states to certify an alternate slate of electors.
00:45:45.000They refused because the court said there's no, no, they're there.
00:45:50.000And then when that didn't go through, Trump decided you get his own slate of electors above the states that were not certified and tried to use that to force Mike Pence to say that Joe Biden didn't win these electoral votes.
00:46:07.000If we want to be precise in terms of the scope of the debate, I think it's about January 6th, and so the lead up to it might be relevant to some of the criminal indictments, but it's technically speaking outside the scope of the January 6th discussion.
00:46:22.000If we're going to bring it into the discussion, I think there's an operative word there, knowingly.
00:46:28.000And that's operative within the context of the charging documents, but the idea that
00:46:35.000Trump thought that he lost the election and he was knowingly lying and knowingly engaging.
00:46:43.000No, he believes, I guarantee it, whether you believe it or not, Trump believes that the election was stolen and he was using the legal recourses available to him at the advice of his legal advisors.
00:47:54.000Every time it starts to get good, every time you actually start to get into an actual conversation, he's gotta butt in and completely derail the entire thing.
00:48:55.000It's on military tribunals, or they will have to find you guilty.
00:49:01.000It's such a shame, because this would have been a good debate, but he's just ruining it.
00:49:04.000It's not funny, and it's not charming, it's just obnoxious.
00:49:31.000You know, some people are actually interested in the ideas, and some people are actually interested to hear this.
00:49:35.000I mean, when I hear Darren and the others go back and forth, or Glenn even for that matter, you know, it's interesting actually to hear the arguments, but when this buffoon gets in the middle and just starts screaming, and, do you believe two men can have a baby?
00:49:51.000What does that have to do with anything?
00:49:52.000It doesn't enhance the debate, it subtracts from the debate.
00:50:15.000And Ed, for not wanting to debate that, for wanting to debate a whole set of other issues about whether Trump acted improperly, whether he was naughty and the things he did after the election because there is no argument to make that what happened on January 6th rises to the level of insurrection and that's why an extremely aggressive prosecutor named Jack Smith
00:50:35.000Decided not to charge Donald Trump with that crime because he knew there was no way that he could possibly bring a conviction against anybody let alone Donald Trump who told everybody to be peaceful when going to the Capitol.
00:51:06.000In the last three elections that Democrats lost, in 2000, 2004, and 2016, a very large number of Democrats believed and asserted that the election was stolen, that the election was stolen and was the byproduct of fraud, and the president was as a result illegitimate.
00:51:21.000When I started writing about politics 2005,
00:51:24.000The idea that George Bush was the real loser of the election, Al Gore won, was the view of every single liberal and Democrat that I knew.
00:51:30.000In 2004, there were objections claiming that Karl Rove had interfered in the Ohio vote with the Diebold machines and cheated to make John Kerry lose and George Bush win.
00:51:41.000And then in 2016, Hillary Clinton and the Democrats said that Donald Trump was the illegitimate winner, that Russia had helped him, and they tried to convince the Electoral College to abandon the certified results of the state.
00:51:53.000Obviously, you go back to 1960, and a lot of historians believe that election was stolen.
00:51:59.000So it's not like Donald Trump was the first person to ever wonder or believe that an election was stolen from him.
00:52:04.000It's a very significant tradition in American political history.
00:52:07.000If you know anything about politics before 2016,
00:52:10.000And if Trump believed that the election was stolen, and while it's true, a lot of people in the Justice Department and a lot of people in the White House told him they didn't think it was.
00:52:17.000He did have advisers and lawyers telling him that they think there was evidence of it.
00:52:23.000Then the question is over, even on these other issues about whether or not Trump engaged in some conspiracy against the United States.
00:52:29.000But the issue is, is January 6th an insurrection?
00:57:57.000I've really been souring on him lately, and you know, and I've known Alex a long time, or I've interacted with him on a few occasions over the years, I should say.
00:58:07.000And I've always said that I like him, I respect him and everything, but honestly, over the past three months, my opinion of him has really gone down.
00:58:17.000Because he's just not in the world with us.
00:58:21.000Like, it feels like he's not in the same universe as us.
00:58:24.000Like, we're talking about the Israel-Gaza stuff.
00:58:29.000It feels like you're not even talking to another lucid human being.
00:58:33.000I don't even know what we're talking to.
00:58:38.000Not a serious guy, like, you know, and I'm sorry, I think he's a nice guy and everything, and he's been around for a long time, he's provided some good memories, but yikes, dude, get a grip.
00:58:49.000An attempted coup, and a federal judge- The coup is flooding the border with aliens.
00:58:55.000District Judge David Carter actually evaluated the Trump-Eastman scheme, and he said- Alright, we got some big news, I'm not interrupting you- No, no, no, no, no, not that yet.
00:59:37.000The whole thing is a big rotten... So they can find partisan... They found the Secretary of State of Maine took Trump off the ballot because she had one hearing in a YouTube video.
01:00:09.000I actually want to ask a question that I would love to hear everybody's answer to, but before I do that, I just want to say about federal judges.
01:00:14.000This year, in the last six months, four different federal judges, a district court judge and then an appellate court unanimously, found that the Biden administration gravely violated the First Amendment.
01:00:24.000In fact, the greatest assault on free speech
01:01:00.000Glenn, please finish your point and then we're going to move on to the response.
01:01:05.000The question that you asked Ian is, is this a coup?
01:01:08.000If you look at how other coups are perpetrated, and I think a lot of this is that if you're an American and you have this very soft history, you don't know what a coup is, you think that like what CNN tells you a coup is a coup.
01:01:18.000Usually the way coups work is the leader of the country, whoever is in charge of the military, orders the military to seize control of the levers of power.
01:01:27.000Trump was the commander in chief on January 6th.
01:01:29.000The military was duty bound to obey his orders.
01:01:32.000They had a right to disobey if they were illegal, but
01:01:35.000If this were a coup, why didn't Trump order the military to seize control of power and turn over the election process to him?
01:01:42.000Why didn't he order the armed factions that form the law enforcement part of the military and the executive branch that serve under his command to do that as well?
01:01:52.000That didn't happen here because Trump wasn't trying to perpetrate a coup.
01:01:55.000He wanted the Department of Defense to seize voting machines and the DOJ turned him down and told him- Well, the worst- That's not a coup, though.
01:02:04.000Glenn is the only one making good points.
01:02:07.000The arguments Glenn has made, he said that you have a very aggressive prosecutor from the DOJ who has charged Trump with dubious things, which is important because the DOJ has a very high conviction rate.
01:02:20.000So they'll only charge you with something if they're confident that they can get a conviction, and a lot of the things I think stretch
01:02:44.000The top prosecutor, Jack Smith, is more aggressive than typically, and he didn't charge for insurrection.
01:02:51.000Doesn't that suggest that it wouldn't fit that legal definition?
01:02:55.000And therefore, doesn't that add to the way that it's not an insurrection outside of the legal definition?
01:03:02.000And then the other argument is, if it was an attempt to overthrow the government, which Destiny sort of said, Destiny said the real insurrection was that, which I've never heard this one before,
01:03:12.000January 6th was a stalling tactic so that Trump could call legislators to get them to switch their vote or something.
01:03:20.000And Glenn said, okay, well, why didn't the military go in then?
01:03:25.000So, I mean, you know, I feel like Glenn and to a lesser extent Darren are the only ones making arguments here.
01:03:34.000But it's unfortunate because the whole thing's getting kind of blown up all over the place.
01:03:38.000See, why does he keep going back to that?
01:03:40.000That has nothing to do with January 6th.
01:03:43.000I love how he keeps looking at Darren for approval.
01:03:56.000If you pay attention to this during the debate, whenever Alex says something, whenever he has an outburst, he always looks to Darren for approval or validation, and Darren's always looking away because he's mortified, because he's completely embarrassed.
01:04:10.000So whenever Alex says something, he goes like, right Darren?
01:04:12.000And Darren's just like, he's just like, can't even look at him because he's mortified by this.
01:04:18.000Also, Biden doesn't have the authority to do that.
01:04:20.000He still doesn't have the authority to do that.
01:04:23.000The Supreme Court that Trump has his picks on, that's currently 6-3 conservative, they're the ones who are going to make the final decision on that.
01:04:29.000I wanted to be known that every single time you try to talk about any of this stuff related to Trump, it's so many Democrat names that comes out of people's mouths.
01:04:35.000I don't know why people can't just engage on the facts of what happened on and in the events leading up to June 6th in a direction without having to invoke every other Democratic leader's name.
01:04:51.000There was a million, over a million people, and they said police were attacking, and we got there, like, shooting tear gas, and then a bunch of citizens all break through with some idiots that got mad at a brawl, and then the cops go, come on in!
01:05:35.000Unprecedented that a president of the United States would do everything within his power to prevent the peaceful transfer of power to the next president.
01:05:42.000He said, I want you to peacefully march down to the Capitol.
01:06:03.000He got Mark Meadows delivered a note on his desk that Ashley Babbitt had been shot and he sat there sipping Diet Coke for an hour and a half.
01:06:11.000The guy that you called your leader, how many pardons did Trump do for the patriots that got unfairly charged with crimes?
01:06:18.000Why didn't Donald Trump pardon any of those people?
01:06:22.000Why didn't Donald Trump pardon any of those people?
01:06:25.000There's not going to be an answer to this.
01:12:56.000The scope, I think, matters, and that's what we're really getting at when we talk about insurrection.
01:13:01.000The courts are politically weaponized, so I wouldn't even rest, you know, the legitimacy and the question on the determinations of the courts, which we can see are
01:13:11.000Running away with pretty wild and ridiculous theories.
01:13:26.000That's relevant to the ultimate question of whether it was a coup, whether it was an insurrection.
01:13:30.000And as I said before, the stuff about Trump and the legal theory behind his, you know, multiple part plan, that could be an interesting discussion.
01:13:42.000It's technically outside the scope of the debate.
01:13:44.000But again, I would reiterate anyone who knows Trump, anyone who knows people who knows Trump,
01:13:58.000Many of his advisors were trying to sabotage him from day one.
01:14:02.000Just because he was advised by one of these snakes doesn't mean that he therefore agrees with what they say.
01:14:09.000He agreed with the people who told him it was stolen and that he had legal recourse to address that, which he implemented.
01:14:17.000There's nothing that rises to an insurrection or coup about that either, even though that's outside of the scope of our discussion for today.
01:14:25.000So, uh, Cassidy Hutchinson, uh, said that Trump said to Mark Meadows, I don't want people to know we lost.
01:14:49.000Listen, so the thing here is that the January 6th committee called near 98% of their witnesses were Republicans.
01:15:01.000These people were under oath Republicans and they testified.
01:15:05.000The people who didn't testify within the Trump
01:15:10.000There were dozens who, 5th Amendment, 5th Amendment, 5th Amendment, they refused to say a word.
01:15:16.000So you're going to tell me that the people that testified under oath are the liars, but the people that said things in the public but failed to say anything under oath are the ones that are telling the truth.
01:17:41.000I believe she was the one who said that Trump reached over to the steering wheel and, you know, told the Secret Service this or that, which was a bizarre thing because the Secret Service agents in question weren't the ones that were called upon to testify.
01:17:55.000Some of them testified the same thing that Cassidy Hutchinson said.
01:17:58.000No, the Secret Service actually said we would love to testify and they weren't allowed to.
01:18:03.000The two Secret Service agents in question, that specific anecdote, were not allowed to testify.
01:18:09.000So why would they take the second-hand report from Hutchinson when they could have interrogated directly the people who would have been direct witnesses to that?
01:18:17.000Well, Secret Service agents did testify and they felt corroborations were pouring out.
01:18:21.000Not those two specific agents, but why not?
01:18:24.000Other agents in the car with Trump testified for the J-Sex Committee.
01:18:28.000I don't know why they would or wouldn't testify or have particular people testify, but other people in that car did.
01:18:39.000The January 6th committee, and that's what Alex was alluding to just a second ago, is one of the biggest shams in the history of Congress because what happened with the January 6th committee was we had a long history of 225 years of tradition in the United States Congress where whatever investigative commissions would be created within the Congress, the minority leader and the majority leader would each select the members of that committee to ensure there was fair representation by both parties.
01:19:06.000For the first time in the history of the United States, a Speaker of the House refused to allow the Republicans who were chosen for that committee by Kevin McCarthy, at the time the Republican Minority Leader, to be seated on the panel.
01:19:21.000And as a result, the Republicans said, we're going to have nothing to do with this.
01:19:24.000And the only quote-unquote Republicans that were chosen
01:20:20.000You could make a much better case that the Black Lives Matter protest of 2020 was an insurrectionary movement.
01:20:26.000The reason it matters, Destiny, is because if you're going to make arguments, there has to be an important task, which is do you apply the same principles you're claiming to profess and believe in?
01:20:35.000If you want to talk about applying the same standard, would you have been okay in the year 2000 if Gore refused to certify the vote because he didn't like what was happening in Florida?
01:21:06.000A lot of Democrats did want to do that.
01:21:22.000I mean, it's just like another form of cringe.
01:21:24.000Honestly, the debate got better without Alex.
01:21:27.000If we removed Destiny, it would be better, too.
01:21:30.000And they could just have the Krasensteins and Glenn Greenwald and Darren.
01:21:36.000Thing is about Glenn, I think he's correct about the subcommittee and really the gist of that is that the entire process has been politicized.
01:21:48.000So, we're looking to objective third parties or an objective process to determine if January 6th rises to the standard of insurrection, but the entire process has been politicized.
01:22:02.000The entire process has a conflict of interest, like the subcommittee.
01:22:08.000So you can't exactly appeal to the subcommittee and say, well, that's evidence because they're basically on the same side as the people debating.
01:22:15.000When he says, though, that you have to bring in BLM and do you apply the same standard, to me that's sort of whataboutism.
01:22:24.000It is, in my opinion, beyond the scope of the debate.
01:22:28.000And you can say, you know, whether you think BLM is an insurrection or not, but talking about, you know, whether you apply the same standard, does that show it's partisan?
01:22:39.000Then you wind up debating what BLM was.
01:22:43.000So I think it can be a helpful comparison, but I don't think that that should be the crux of the debate.
01:22:48.000I think you have to appeal to what is a standard.
01:22:51.000What is the standard for insurrection?
01:22:54.000And we still don't really have a definition.
01:22:56.000I think Glenn is providing good counter arguments.
01:22:59.000He's not providing, it doesn't seem, any real arguments.
01:23:04.000In the way of, well, propositionally, in a positive sense, why is this not an insurrection?
01:23:11.000What is the definition of an insurrection?
01:23:13.000Why does the Capitol not count as that?
01:23:17.000We're saying, well, if it was an insurrection, why wouldn't Jack Smith charge him?
01:23:24.000But again, that's only appealing to the statute.
01:23:26.000And the debate is not just about whether the statute was violated, you know, or, well, the committee that claims it's an insurrection was partisan.
01:23:34.000Okay, but, you know, when he gets more into the footage, I think he should get into the footage.
01:23:41.000If it's an insurrection, why did the cops let him in?
01:23:52.000And why would the people inside be peaceful?
01:23:54.000If it was an insurrection, why would they be peaceful?
01:23:56.000Why would they be walking inside the... To me, that is more getting to the crux of the issue than to make... To me, the comparison to BLM is kind of getting into the weeds, because that can... People can debate all day long about what BLM was or what the differences were, but it's important to define the standard and talk about what happened on the 6th.
01:24:16.000So... Hey, would you... Hold on, Biden...
01:24:20.000Because if you really believe that an election is stolen, as the Democrats claim they did, then it is kind of odd to say, we're just going to concede that and allow George Bush to march into power, even though we believe that he actually stole the election.
01:24:33.000That is kind of an odd way to go about it.
01:25:17.000If he had ordered the military or some other FBI or any of those agencies, the CIA, to go and use violence on domestic soil in order to ignore those court rulings the way people do when they're trying to implement coups, you would have a good argument.
01:25:54.000Glenn, you bring that up and you're trying to use Hawaii as an example for something that was comparable, where both slates of electors were actually duly elected by the people there in the 60s.
01:26:04.000Hawaii and South Carolina, these other historical examples that people go to from multiple states of electors, are not at all comparable.
01:26:09.000Both of these things happened prior to 2016.
01:26:14.000That's a problem with Destiny is, if I were to write on paper what just happened logically, which would be tedious and I'm not going to do, it wouldn't make any sense.
01:26:25.000Destiny says, okay, if you think that Donald Trump was within his rights to challenge the election or to refuse the results, then would you accept if Al Gore did that in the year 2000?
01:27:10.000And then they say, well, you know, what you're talking about happening outside the legal process would be something like getting the military involved, getting the intelligence agencies involved, which Trump didn't do.
01:27:23.000Everything that Trump did was constitutional.
01:27:25.000We're not talking about the people inside the Capitol.
01:27:29.000We're talking about what Trump and his team did, which was all, you know, taking it to the Supreme Court or calling for the election to be decertified or whatever.
01:27:38.000And then Destiny out of right field, well, what about Hawaii?
01:28:06.000If Trump said they should go peacefully, then how is he responsible for the violence that happened at the Capitol?
01:28:12.000Whether you even believe, and by the way, whether what happened at the Capitol was an insurrection or not, Trump's culpability is a completely other matter.
01:28:21.000Because one could argue that what the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers were doing constituted an insurrection.
01:28:27.000One could argue that to the extent that there was violence, or there was coordination or conspiracy, that, you know, maybe some people planned on an insurrection.
01:28:37.000I don't believe that one could argue that.
01:28:39.000That is a separate question from Trump's culpability.
01:28:43.000If Trump told everybody to march there peacefully and had no contact with the militias,
01:28:49.000Then that cannot be considered part of his redress.
01:28:54.000...was the court cases, his redress was the Supreme Court cases, his redress were the various senators that refused to vote to certify, or, you know, to the extent he was involved, various protests, calling for the various state legislatures to appoint different slates of electors, which is all legal.
01:29:12.000You may not agree with the basis of it, but all of that is legal, and when all of those options failed, as Glenn said, he left office.
01:29:21.000He didn't use the military, he didn't have to be dragged out, he wasn't arrested,
01:29:25.000So, in that sense, yes, Al Gore challenged it in the courts, Hillary Clinton called for a recount, and Trump, I mean, he exploited more options, but everything that he did was within the parameters of the Constitution and the law, so they are comparable.
01:29:39.000And for him to say, oh, well, you know, what about what happened at the Capitol?
01:32:13.000And then if there's anything that's like this, if there's anything that's a little bit ambiguous, he'll just seize on that and it looks like he won.
01:32:21.000But obviously, anybody would say that, yes, it does matter the amount of violence.
01:32:30.000But obviously it's a matter of degree.
01:32:32.000That's not a gotcha to say, well how much violence?
01:32:35.000Well clearly more versus less matters.
01:32:39.000If you put it on the extremes and there's a range, obviously there is a point after which it becomes an insurrection and before that point it isn't.
01:34:12.000That's always that's always the approach is to say well, it's just arbitrary it obviously isn't You know like we talked about earlier it matters the intent it does matter the amount of firepower You know and and maybe destiny think that's a win because it sounds Ad-hoc or something, but obviously that is the case there have been
01:34:37.000You know, whether it's a small number or a large number of people, whether they're very heavily armed or they're not armed at all, like these questions do count in a definition like this.
01:34:46.000When you're trying to parse out with precision a riot versus an insurrection, it actually does sort of matter how much violence there was.
01:34:53.000There was a subversion of the democratic process, but it didn't end up working.
01:34:57.000Like, if the plan would have gone as Donald Trump wanted it to have gone, which is Vice President Pence unilaterally tossing out the Electoral College vote, and if Donald Trump would have retained power past when he was supposed to lose it...
01:35:39.000There was a constitutional legal argument
01:35:53.000That if Pence didn't read the votes, that Donald Trump would become the president.
01:35:57.000There have been, you know, throughout the history of the United States, there have been deals like this.
01:36:02.000Like in 1824, there have been corrupt bargains.
01:36:05.000I mean, you may not, you may think that that's unfair.
01:36:10.000If you think it's unfair that Mike Pence doesn't read the votes, or you think it's spurious constitutional interpretation, well, it would be taken to the Supreme Court and it would be decided by the Supreme Court.
01:36:21.000The Constitution is vague about the process for a person becoming the President.
01:36:26.000That was actually the difficulty during that period, is that the Constitution actually didn't anticipate
01:36:33.000That it would be extremely contentious because it's not very specific.
01:36:37.000And so there is a legal argument to be made, and other people disagree with it, that if Pence doesn't read the votes, and neither candidate reaches a majority, then it's kicked to Congress.
01:36:49.000And then Congress would vote and, you know, maybe it would be challenged in the Supreme Court and they would give interpretation to the Constitution and it could go one way or the other.
01:37:34.000That doesn't, just to say, well, you would call it nothing other than that, doesn't mean you can positively identify it as an insurrection.
01:37:41.000Well, I'd call it taking Trump off the ballot and saying we can't vote for him.
01:37:45.000I know you won't answer because you probably know he's guilty.
01:37:48.000Glenn, what would you call it if the president was able to entrench his power by asking his vice president to throw out the vote unilaterally, which is what he was trying to do?
01:38:17.000It shows the weakness of the argument, but if that had happened, my guess is it would have ended up in the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court would have made the decision about whether Mike Pence exercised his proper authority as Vice President, and then Donald Trump, if he had run out of options, would have left the White House on January 20th without any need for military force or police force, exactly how he did, and I would have called that the exhaustion of all of the legal remedies available to the President in the event that he takes on an election.
01:38:41.000Exactly, and therefore it would have been just the way
01:38:46.000Exhausting your legal options, getting up to the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court makes the determination... If both of you accept that then, then if the Supreme Court says that because of Amendment 14, Section 3, Trump can't be on the ballot, you would both accept that as well?
01:39:17.000Well, Pence would have not counted the votes, it would have went to a vote in the Congress, the Supreme Court would have interpreted if that's legal, and then Trump would have accepted the result as Bush and Gore did.
01:39:29.000Exhausting the legal remedy, accepting the result in the end.
01:41:05.000He didn't do that and he left is the point and that's the reality and now they say we can't vote for him even though we all know Biden's gonna win by 10 million votes.
01:41:14.000That's why we call it an attempted coup and not an actual successful coup.
01:41:18.000Alex, do you think that Trump was responsible for this thing on January 6th?
01:41:48.000The reason why he didn't call them off is because Ken Giuliani and Eastman were making phone calls to other senators and congressmen asking them to decertify the electoral vote.
01:42:03.000I'm saying that as the riot was raging on and he was sitting there sipping his Diet Coke, if this really made him and his followers look bad, why didn't Donald Trump make a video immediately?
01:42:11.000Yeah, I'm about to do it because I can talk over you really easy.
01:42:14.000That's what you've been doing the whole time.
01:43:52.000If they bring in, which they've done, 10 million illegal aliens the last three years, and then that gives them, with the congressional seats in the census, more Democrat seats in the Congress, is that not... Undocumented aliens, undocumented immigrants are not voting.
01:44:59.000Okay, so why don't we ask the Oath Keepers, the Three Percenters, the Proud Boys, the ones who were actually indicted and convicted of seditious conspiracy.
01:46:09.000It's because they wanted them to say, we were here because of Trump to build that case.
01:46:14.000But also, you know, that's the person's subjective experience.
01:46:20.000If I go out and say the Beatles told me to start a race war, that doesn't make the Beatles culpable.
01:46:24.000And I know this is slightly different, but the subjectivity remains.
01:46:29.000If there was a document or a communication where Donald Trump instructed them to do it, and they said, well, I believe Donald Trump told me because...
01:46:39.000He told me to because I had this text message from him.
01:46:42.000You know, that would be solid, but to say Joe Biggs felt like Trump wanted him there?
01:47:22.000Stuart Rhodes said he never told anybody to go in the Capitol and never went in the Capitol, and you just said they said that Trump told them!
01:47:29.000Multiple Proud Boys said they were in the Capitol because that's what Trump wanted.
01:48:08.000They're not saying that Donald Trump personally communicated to them to go to the Capitol.
01:48:12.000What they're saying is the reason why they were there, which I think over 147 convicted people have thus far in their convictions, have said the reason why they were there is because Trump called them to go there.
01:49:10.000That Trump helped incite this... Well, just because they thought they were helping Trump, that doesn't mean that Trump told them to do that.
01:49:17.000That's true, but let's look at the actions... There's a famous federal... famous... It's like, wait, wait, Alex.
01:49:42.000Trump is essentially Helter Skelter and he's telling these Proud Boys that you need to go and start the Capitol?
01:49:49.000Because for those that don't know, Charles Manson thought the Beatles were telling him to start a race war through Helter Skelter and piggies and... That's crazy.
01:50:42.000The question was just why are the people there-
01:51:00.000He laid out, very precisely, exactly what he believed had happened.
01:51:03.000He thought that the vote was being stolen, that our country was being taken from us.
01:51:07.000Not believed, what he wanted others to believe.
01:51:10.000Yeah, that Congress wasn't acting, that Mike Pence was supposed to be the guy to do it, but he hadn't heard good things about them, and they needed to go down to the Capitol building to protest.
01:51:46.000Do you think it's good for the opposing party, when a guy's way ahead in the polls, to remove someone from the ballot?
01:51:52.000It's not about him being ahead in the polls or not, it's about whether or not he engaged in insurrection, and if the self-executing part of the 14th Amendment allows states to remove him from the ballot.
01:52:23.000The problem is the other side, if Alex would get out of the way, if there could be some clarity, the other side has not won a single point.
01:52:31.000If you've been paying close attention, they have not won a single point.
01:53:07.000If you think it's so bad that courts are kicking him off the ballot, what do you think about Trump doing the birtherism card for Obama for how many years?
01:53:14.000The first big political thing he was known for was challenging whether Obama was even born in the United States in an attempt to get him kicked off the ballot.
01:56:20.000Party governors who are saying that you cannot actually remove somebody because to remove them from the ballot is to punish them for a crime, insurrection, that Trump has never been charged with and therefore has never had the opportunity to defend himself the way a criminal does.
01:57:02.000I'm very confident they'll decide Trump can remain on the ballot, and then that will resolve that issue.
01:57:05.000The question I have, I have a few questions quickly.
01:57:08.000One is, why didn't anybody like Jack Smith charge Trump with engaging in an insurrection?
01:57:13.000If Trump was engaged in an insurrection or inciting an insurrection, you would hope, I would think, that he would be charged with that.
01:57:19.000I don't think he was, so I'm happy he wasn't.
01:57:21.000But for those of you thinking he was, why wasn't he charged with it?
01:57:24.000And then the second one is, I just want to know,
01:57:26.000So, given that the 2020 riots did have a lot of people in there who were non-violent and were there not for insurrectionary reasons, but had a lot of people who were anarchists and insurrectionists and who engaged in a lot of violence, a lot more than was done on January 6th, do you also think that the riots of 2020 constituted an insurrection?
01:57:45.000I'm just trying to understand to get a sense for what your definition of insurrection is.
01:57:48.000So, Glenn, do you think that the 1992 riots- Can you repeat the question?
01:59:13.000But I mean, I think the 1992 riots, I think I recall at the time thinking the Insurrection Act was inappropriately invoked.
01:59:21.000I'd have to go back and really study the 1992 riots to see the extent of the violence.
01:59:25.000But I do think that you're asking that indicates why the 2020 riots are way closer to an insurrection than anything happened after the 2020 election.
01:59:34.000And the reason you're afraid to say that it is an insurrection is purely for ideological and partisan ends.
02:00:09.000When we're talking about an insurrection, okay, I think, I think all three of us here would agree that if there was a congressional session or a state legislative session and people were voting on it and BLM rioters went up and they tried to firebomb the house to stop the vote, I think all of us would agree that's an insurrection.
02:00:24.000But you guys, you guys... That's completely arbitrary though.
02:00:28.000I love how he'll say, oh, so there's a certain level of violence before it's an insurrection, but then he'll say, if you blow up a federal building, if you blow up a police headquarters, well, that's a protest.
02:00:42.000But, well, if there's an official proceeding going on, well, then it's an insurrection.
02:00:46.000Well, if it's violence on a government building, and I said earlier, I said, well, you know, maybe that component wasn't there, but if you're specifically talking about bombing federal buildings, if you're talking about the role of anarchists who ideologically oppose government, it's completely arbitrary to draw the line and say, well, there has to be, we're talking about interrupting an official proceeding.
02:01:11.000That's the definition of an insurrection?
02:01:13.000You can't... Overthrowing the government isn't, but it's interrupting an official proceeding.
02:01:18.000So, you can blow up as many government... Well, I shouldn't... I don't know if I want to say those words in that order, but, you know, you can attack as many government buildings as you want.
02:01:39.000It has far more to do with whether it's spontaneous, what the intentionality is.
02:01:45.000There is a level of violence I think you have to discern before it becomes an insurrection or a level of organization, coordination, premeditation.
02:02:36.000So that's why I think getting into the weeds on BLM is just a completely unnecessary detour.
02:02:43.000You can use that to call someone a hypocrite, and that's rhetoric, but I don't think that actually supports any argument about January 6th.
02:02:52.000I mean, you can say, well, if you consider the 6th an insurrection but not the George Floyd riots, okay, that person's a hypocrite.
02:03:23.000You keep bringing back the amount of violence.
02:03:24.000The amount of violence isn't relevant.
02:03:26.000All of us here agree that obviously over the entire
02:03:32.000Over the course of the BLM riots, there was lots of violence.
02:03:36.000I think everybody on this side of the table is okay with charging and convicting people.
02:03:40.000Everybody here is okay with charging and convicting anybody that was guilty of a violent act.
02:03:44.000However, violence, no matter how much, does not make an insurrection.
02:03:49.000It's the obstruction or rebellion against the United States for the Jack Smith obstruction charge, obstructing an official process like certifying the vote.
02:04:36.000So, first of all, it wasn't just violence.
02:04:41.000Aspects of the BLM uprisings that involved at one point Trump was forced to go to into a secure bunker in the White House They broke through the Treasury I have a question about the 14th amendment for destiny or anyone so let's assume that it doesn't require a conviction in your view of
02:05:06.000Who is most appropriate to make that determination?
02:05:09.000The answer, the real answer is it's hard to tell.
02:05:14.000Personally, I don't like the way the 14th Amendment Section 3 is written.
02:05:17.000I've got a lot of friends who'll hate me for saying that.
02:05:19.000And I think that the Supreme Court probably will rule against it.
02:05:22.000Because the problem with the 14th Amendment is the self-executing part of it means basically anybody involved in that balloting process of putting them on the ballot could make that determination.
02:05:29.000So you basically agree it has to go up to the Supreme Court and be decided before he can be justly removed from office?
02:05:37.000The Declaration of Independence, and you were talking about insurrection, I want to fix this peacefully.
02:05:42.000But I have a right, not from the Declaration of Independence, it already points out what's there, to abolish a government when the majority of us agree we're done with it.
02:05:49.000So, and you got all these movies about civil war the Democrats are putting out and Obama's putting out.
02:05:54.000You guys better hope that doesn't happen.
02:09:35.000And it's going to be General Flynn making this claim?
02:09:37.000It'll have 5 million views, and it'll be you, and it'll be all the news articles where Milley says he'll resign if Trump is put on National Guard, and then they did it again, and then General Flynn's brother- That wasn't for January 5th, that was the Washington, D.C.
02:10:08.000You're not going to answer that question either.
02:10:13.000What's going to happen is they're all going to get it.
02:10:17.000And that's the whole, they're all gonna show it, and then we'll see.
02:10:20.000Yeah, this is making me think about media manipulation in general, and how sometimes you see things, sometimes you don't, sometimes things are real, sometimes they're not, and it leads me to my next question, general for everybody.
02:10:31.000And by the way, all six of you are doing phenomenally, especially you, Glenn, killing it from Brazil, my man.
02:10:36.000Do you guys think this election was stolen?
02:11:28.000In the algorithm and the censorship of the control.
02:11:31.000I remember five years ago when I was being deplatformed, they were denying I was being deplatformed and saying there was no censorship.
02:11:37.000Now we know from the weaponization hearings that all this is going on and now they're telling us you can't vote for him because he said we won't let you vote for him.
02:11:46.000Why is it, if the election was being stolen, why did every single person that Donald Trump trusted to investigate come back and say there was no evidence?
02:11:53.000It wasn't every single one of his lawyers.
02:11:56.000It was not a whole bunch of his lawyers.
02:11:57.000Most of his legal counsel said that the few that he ended up going with were crazy.
02:12:01.000You just went in two seconds from everyone to most.
02:12:09.000Every single person that Donald Trump trusted to investigate, meaning the Vice President, the Department of Justice, the Cyber Security Division of the Department of Homeland Security, all of his White House counsel, every- yeah, I know how it works.
02:12:25.000But the reality is, is almost every single person that he asked to investigate, that he trusted, he didn't ask Sidney Powell to go and investigate.
02:12:34.000She brought cockamamie schemes to him and he said, oh, maybe these are okay.
02:12:37.000Which, by the way, he also said, he also said she was crazy.
02:14:05.000I'm not somebody who thinks the election, that there's evidence conclusive that the election was stolen.
02:14:10.000I do think we should be a lot more attentive to when election processes get changed out of the blue.
02:14:16.000Like, oh, because there's COVID, we're going to have a ton of new conventions for how we do mail-in ballots.
02:14:21.000I think there's a lot of potential for fraud there.
02:14:23.000I don't think there's evidence that I've seen, at least, that's conclusive that the 2020 election was stolen.
02:14:28.000I do think, though, it was rigged in all sorts of ways from
02:14:31.000From internet censorship to all kinds of interference on the part of the U.S.
02:14:37.000security state lying and saying that a very incriminating story about Joe Biden was the byproduct of Russian disinformation when it absolutely was not.
02:14:44.000Facebook and Twitter censoring that story right before the election.
02:14:46.000These are all examples of corrupting rigging by institutions of authority on the question of whether it was stolen.
02:14:52.000No, I'm not somebody who thinks there's evidence that it was stolen.
02:14:55.000Well, how would you define the difference between rigging it and stealing it?
02:14:59.000Rigging it is when institutions of authority cheat or act corruptly in order to manipulate public opinion to prevent stories from getting to them, like those news stories about Joe Biden and the way that he exploited his family connections in Ukraine and China to profit for his family, and lying about it and saying that it's Russian disinformation.
02:15:37.000Dumping ballots that were legitimately cast or fabricating ballots in favor of one candidate or the other that actually weren't cast, manipulating the machines in order to have the loser be the winner.
02:15:47.000That's what I would distinguish between rigging and stealing.
02:15:51.000Do you think that Donald Trump asking Jeffrey Clark to go and threaten the DOJ, that if they don't sign on to a false letter trying to bully states into claiming there was mass election fraud by claiming the DOJ had actually done it, that was testified to under oath.
02:16:06.000Do you think that would be considered an act of corruption?
02:16:09.000The whole point is, if Trump legitimately believed that the election was stolen, as Democrats believed in 2000, 2004, 2016... This is right.
02:16:22.000If Trump believed genuinely that the election was stolen, then all of those steps that he undertook to try and present to Congress the way to alleviate the stolen election, to have courts reverse the stolen election, to have Mike Pence exercise what he thought was his constitutional authority,
02:16:36.000Might have been Ron's fault, but they weren't illegal, and they most definitely weren't a coup.
02:16:41.000If he thought that the election was stolen, he was allowed to tell the DOJ that they needed to sign on to a false letter claiming they'd found election fraud?
02:16:48.000Otherwise, he would replace Rosen with Clark?
02:16:50.000That was something he was allowed to do?
02:17:29.000Trump was winning, and then all of a sudden, Biden pulled ahead at like
02:17:33.000Oh, well, the media said it beforehand.
02:17:35.000Yeah, and we said it beforehand as well.
02:17:51.000Because of course the ballots that they're inputting in at the end of the day, those are the ones that have been received in the drop boxes.
02:17:58.000Those were the absentee or in-person absentee, which is where the fraud occurred or where the accusations of fraud occurred.
02:18:07.000You know, that's really neither here nor there for them to say, well, you know, the media anticipated that, so did we.
02:18:14.000Do you understand what actually, why that happened?
02:18:18.000No, I'm not smart enough to understand.
02:18:20.000The trucks, when they shut down the polling places, and the trucks pulled in, and they blocked the windows out, and ran the same ballots over and over again.
02:19:48.000This was the first election where they were soliciting absentee ballots from everybody in many states, where people, everybody on the voter rolls was being sent a ballot.
02:19:59.000You're supposed to have to go, in some states, go to the polling location on election day, show an ID, get your ballot, fill it out in front of them, and submit it.
02:20:09.000In years past, you have to submit a form to get an absentee ballot.
02:20:21.000So they were sending votes out to everyone on the voter rolls, and they said, well, send them back.
02:20:27.000Send them back 30 days before the election or drop them off somewhere.
02:20:31.000And so the claim is that obviously, in these big cities where you have
02:20:35.000multi-family homes or you have apartment buildings or nursing homes basically where there's a high population density and you have a liberal machine politics the claim is that people were harvesting ballots where these were being sent out in the mail people were collecting them going door-to-door and collecting them and and that means that all the laws conceivably could be broken
02:21:01.000For example, if you go to an apartment complex and you go door-to-door and say, hey, here's $5.
02:21:06.000Give me your vote and I'll fill it in for Biden.
02:21:09.000I mean, that could conceivably be happening.
02:21:11.000And then someone could take all of those and put them in a truck and drop them off in a drop box.
02:22:02.000This was the first election where they were soliciting.
02:22:05.000It was the first election where it took them weeks to count the ballots in multiple states.
02:22:10.000All of that is highly irregular and anomalous, and that makes it suspicious.
02:22:16.000You know, and I've said this throughout the years, ever since the 2020 election, if Trump lost in 2016, it would be a lot more difficult to make the case that it was stolen.
02:22:32.000Everything about it was irregular and anomalous, which, you know, if you're saying that something unprecedented happened, if it was a normal election, you're probably wrong.
02:22:44.000But if it's an election where they completely changed everything, every other election in American history, the vast majority of ballots,
02:22:53.000were submitted in a polling location on election day.
02:24:13.000You know, that'd be like if you interrogated everybody in a criminal investigation and they all had an alibi and you said, well, I mean, they all said they had an alibi.
02:26:43.000Also, the videos that you're referring to, the running demos multiple times... And we're not going to give the Democrats the violence that they want in 2024.
02:26:52.000But let me tell you, you guys keep looking for one.
02:26:56.000Once you guys start to fight and launch martial law, you're going to actually get the real thing.
02:27:35.000I think what Biden did, I think what Biden did was, here's what Biden did for the shot, okay?
02:27:40.000What happened was, Rappensperger and everybody in Georgia looked over all the tapes that you're claiming about, but the ballots being ran three times, not only was that information false, Trump was told that it was false, Trump knew that it was false, Trump repeated it over and over again, including in a call to Rappensperger, and finally Giuliani has come out
02:27:54.000Okay, well this is a question, Darren.
02:27:56.000Firstly, do you think, if you want to talk about it, do you think the election was rigged or stolen?
02:27:59.000But also, is it protected speech to question an election and claim that it was stolen?
02:28:33.000I think that's more significant than the sort of more hyperbolic claims regarding, you know, hacking the machines and or, you know, so forth.
02:29:11.000But see, we're intellectually honest here.
02:29:13.000The point is, is that the State Department runs around the world looking at everybody else's elections, and the number one thing you get sanctions for is taking a candidate off the ballot.
02:29:21.000And that's what Democrats are doing right now, and America sees that.
02:30:07.000What happened is the only people who have standing in Colorado to bring a suit are people who can vote in the Republican primaries, which means either Republican voters or independent voters.
02:30:16.000Although the suit was brought in their name, the lawsuit was spearheaded and was paid for and was organized by a Democratic Party-aligned group called CRU that boasted of this and took credit for it.
02:30:27.000So yes, the suit was brought in their name.
02:30:35.000We're going to request the... We had some buzzing, Glenn.
02:30:39.000I want to make sure that everything you said is clearly heard.
02:30:41.000So we're going to fix that and then get back to you.
02:30:47.000Anyway, I don't know how much of that you heard, but what I was saying was that in Colorado, in order to have standing... Hey, Glenn, stay there.
02:30:53.000We're going to have to reconnect with you.
02:32:00.000Because Trump was always calling for supporters.
02:32:02.000He also called for them to fight like hell and Giuliani said... Fight like hell means for our freedom and our vote and our country.
02:32:07.000Okay, and people can say things that they don't mean in order to... Hey, when you go to a high school football game, a pep rally, and the cheerleaders go, fight, fight, fight, fight!
02:32:22.000I think the thing that's most instructive to see what Donald Trump wanted to happen that day is that when he sat down and he watched the violence unfolding on TV, when he saw the people fighting with cops, when he got notification that Ashley Babbitt had been shot, Donald Trump did not take steps to stop the violence that day.
02:32:38.000Instead, him and Giuliani made phone calls to senators and congressmen trying to get them to stall the vote.
02:32:42.000What do you guys think ethically about people in politics telling people to go fight?
02:32:55.000During the impeachment for this, they shut it down when finally Trump put a five-minute video on of Democrats saying, attack them at grocery stores, attack them at gas stations, attack.
02:33:17.000Nobody is upset because Donald Trump said, fight like hell.
02:33:20.000People are upset because for months or years, really even in 2016, Donald Trump has consistently attacked and undermined the electoral process with absolutely no good reason, from no foundation, and that he had the chance to.
02:33:34.000He was a Russian agent and set the deep state on him for the four years of his administration.
02:33:39.000Is there any evidence Trump's a Russian agent?
02:33:44.000No, but that's why he wasn't convicted or charged of any crimes for it.
02:33:46.000No, but they were the ones saying that the American voters were manipulated by the Russians.
02:35:06.000to listen to this what a headache how about but still you know what's funny though is that adam is still the cringiest one even though it's so annoying like destiny and alex jones are the two most annoying people in the debate somehow adam is the cringiest i just want to replay that part when he yelled listen to me
02:37:19.000people know you're wrong the states with the illegals are getting more california just got six more congressional senators we need you to come up and rise up there it is i'm tied down there's no invasion you guys no border you guys think that there was federal involvement here or there was that what the the extent of it was on january 6th look at the way he's standing
02:39:29.000Let me tell you, we're not playing clips for tit-for-tat here, but everybody's gonna, I want everybody on X to get these statements and put all the clips of women putting onions in their eyes and the cops fake arresting people and high-fiving and saying, I'm a federal agent, I just helped run the attack.
02:39:45.000They're gonna string all these videos out.
02:40:08.000I think with the illegal alien voting thing is what's happening is they're coming in and then they're being counted in the census which then adds more electoral votes.
02:40:21.000Didn't I say that he obviously doesn't know how the census works?
02:40:25.000Because like 90 minutes ago in this seemingly endless debate, Alex Jones said that illegals are coming and they're being counted in the census and he said, well but that's different than them voting.
02:40:39.000And I said, well, he may not realize that every 10 years when they conduct the census in the following election, they reapportion the Electoral College votes and the seats in the House of Representatives, because the House and the electors are according to population.
02:40:54.000And here we are 90 minutes later, the moderator clarified and he goes, oh yeah, yeah, oh that's fair.
02:43:01.000He didn't want Pence to throw it out and make him the winner.
02:43:05.000The legal theory was that if Pence didn't read votes from states that were contested,
02:43:10.000And that would have been challenged by the Supreme Court.
02:43:12.000That interpretation of the Constitution, that Mike Pence has the authority to do that, it would be challenged and the Supreme Court would have decided.
02:43:34.000But to say, well, he wanted Mike Pence to throw it out and make him the winner, that's not what the theory was.
02:43:41.000And even if you don't agree with the theory, that's a legal remedy.
02:43:44.000It's just like with removing Trump from the ballot.
02:43:47.000You may not agree with that, but it's technically legal for the Secretary of State to say he's ineligible according to some law.
02:47:09.000Here's a guy, you saw that, that was only part of the clip.
02:47:11.000There's much longer clips about re-ups.
02:47:14.000But here's a guy who's the only guy caught on camera as early as January 5th.
02:47:19.000Repeatedly calling for people to go into the Capitol and prefacing his seemingly rehearsed remarks in each case, saying, I'm probably going to go to jail for this.
02:47:29.000I'm probably going to get arrested for this.
02:47:50.000Then, amazingly, he's prepositioned right at that initial decisive breach point on the west perimeter of the Capitol, and he's whispering into somebody's ear just seconds before the bike racks are broken through.
02:48:10.000He's like a 6'3", former Marine, who was wearing camo gear and a Trump hat, and he just happens to have had a leadership position in the Oath Keepers, the most demonized and heavily prosecuted... He used to, right?
02:48:33.000However, initially his behavior was considered to be so egregious he was one of the first 20 people added to the FBI's most wanted list about January 6.
02:48:43.000He was prominently featured in the New York Times's ominously titled
02:48:49.000Of all the clips the New York Times could have found and chosen, they chose Ray Epps to represent their thesis that this was a pre-planned insurrection to storm the Capitol.
02:49:01.000And then, when the discussion of federal involvement came in to be,
02:49:04.000One of our major pieces at Revolver News, literally the next day is when the FBI quietly removed him from their list.
02:49:13.000And all of a sudden, he went from FBI's most wanted and featured in the New York Times' Day of Rage to New York Times does a fully dedicated puff piece on him.
02:49:24.00060 Minutes does a sympathy segment on him.
02:49:27.000He's the only January 6th participant that Adam Kinzinger, who's never met a Trump supporter, he doesn't want to see rotting in jail for 50 years, that Adam Kinzinger will defend more aggressively than Epps' own lawyers.
02:49:46.000The government finally says, OK, we're going to hit you with a wrist-slap misdemeanor, as though people are so simple-minded to think, well, if the argument hasn't been indicted, therefore he's a fed, if we indict him now, even if it's a misdemeanor, even three years after, no matter what the circumstances, this constitutes a refutation and totally wipes away the mountains of suspicious evidence surrounding the character of Reyebs.
02:50:12.000That's just, that's just the case of Epps.
02:51:01.000So, the people who were charged with anything but misdemeanors were people who used violence, and people who went into the house chamber where the joint session was, and the people who were involved in a seditious conspiracy.
02:52:40.000He's telling people in advance of the speech we need to go to the Capitol because somehow he got it in his mind that everything would end up at the Capitol.
02:52:46.000I'm pretty sure he's doing it as Trump is making the speech, not before the speech has begun.
02:52:52.000Before the speech began, there are timestamps on the video.
02:52:59.000For every single thing that you assert about him, that he's in video whispering into a guy's ear, you say it in the rest of your article, all he's doing on the day of, when the protesting is getting violent, is going up and down telling people, don't fight with the cops.
02:53:11.000That's what he's saying the entire time.
02:53:13.000The idea that he said that the entire day, but the one guy whose ear that he whispered into, that unfortunately we don't have audio capture of, that he and Samseel testified to, is he said, hey,
02:53:49.000If you want to say that, why was he removed from the FBI list?
02:53:52.000I mean, why was he removed from the FBI list?
02:53:53.000Like, all the information is out there.
02:53:55.000He said that after his video was identified, and people on X started to identify him, and then because all of his online stuff is incredibly easy to find, he started to get phone calls, he started to get harassed, he started to get threats, so he called the FBI as soon as this was brought to his attention, and he told the FBI, hey, this was me, and here I am, and this is what's happening, and the FBI took him off the list.
02:55:01.000For some reason, you assumed that the recent snapshot that you took at 2021, you think that that was the first time the page has been changed.
02:55:08.000That was just the first time the page has been archived.
02:55:10.000I don't think the FBI has made a statement on it, but what Epps testified to was that he either saw a video of himself or a friend saw a video of himself or a friend saw him on the list and then people were making videos and then he called the FBI and he said, hey, I need to talk to you and this is what's going on.
02:55:23.000If he was a Fed, why would they remove him from the list when everybody's clearly looking at the list?
02:55:26.000He was one of the only people removed.
02:55:28.000Why would senators be defending him so vigilantly?
02:55:48.000And you point out correctly that in many instances caught on video, he's engaged in what you could call de-escalation of the crowd and he's not urging people to violence.
02:55:59.000I never said he's urging people to violence.
02:56:01.000He was absolutely a provocateur and his mission as stated and as implemented and as orchestrated by his own verbatim text was he wanted people to go into the Capitol
02:56:32.000Do you think anybody here cares if he gets charged for that crime?
02:56:34.000The issue is you're saying that he was doing it under the direction of a federal agency.
02:56:38.000The 6'3 guy that looks like he's dying of type 2 diabetes and arthritis is somehow some intimidating marine captain that's sending people into the capital.
02:56:45.000That was your claim that you provided zero evidence for and you don't in either of the articles that you write about him.
02:56:55.000I mean, I only heard the last four minutes of the conversation, but I'm still always amazed by... I really don't understand the argument because...
02:57:17.000security state before January 6 was saying that they regard the greatest threat to national security not as being ISIS or Al Qaeda or Hamas or Hezbollah or China or any other foreign threat.
02:57:29.000They regard the greatest threat as being right-wing domestic extremists, in whom that was included on many lists, the Oath Keepers, the Three Percenters,
02:57:40.000And all of the people in the groups that they said orchestrated January 6th.
02:57:46.000Is the argument that you think that the FBI was not monitoring and infiltrating those groups?
02:57:52.000Because there's actually a ton of evidence that the FBI had their hooks in all three of those groups.
02:57:57.000And not only had their hooks in them, but on January 6th had informants on the ground who were pretending to be Trump supporters who were talking in real time to the FBI about everything
02:58:08.000So I just want to understand what the claim is.
02:58:10.000Is the claim that the FBI was not involved in the groups that organized January 6th and didn't have informants with them that day?
02:58:49.000So you're saying that Ray Epps was actually a federal agent who was indicted, who pled guilty, and is likely going to get six months in prison?
02:59:16.000The context in the immediate aftermath of January 6th, by the words of Steve Sherwin, who was in charge of the prosecution, their posture was one of quote-unquote shock and awe.
02:59:31.000Now again, think about central casting.
02:59:34.000On paper, Ray Epps, he's the 6'3", former Marine in camouflage gear with a Trump hat, the only guy caught on video as early as the 5th telling people to go into the Capitol, who's there on the 6th.
02:59:47.000Directing people to the Capitol, who's right there pre-positioned at that initial breach phase.
03:00:03.000You're not telling me it's at least a little bit bizarre that of all January 6th participants, he's the only one who gets a New York Times puff piece.
03:00:11.000He's the only one who gets a 60, uh, 60 minutes sympathy segment.
03:01:46.000In fact, that's almost the norm that ultimately when they have undercover people, they'll indict them just when the assets become liabilities, they indict them.
03:01:56.000In fact, we don't have to go too far into the past to get a case of that.
03:02:00.000There is the Michigan Fed napping case.
03:02:49.000I mean, Darren just said, while I'm not confident necessarily that he was an agent or an informant, he said that he was not an organic actor.
03:03:14.000And he's suing Fox News for defamation, which is going to open up all sorts of cans of worms with discovery that he's going to have to provide legally in front of a court.
03:03:27.000You think that if he was a federal agent, he'd be suing Fox News for defamation?
03:03:31.000They know they control the jurisdiction, but he did say in a text message that day during it, I orchestrated the attack.
03:03:37.000You think he's gonna sue for defamation?
03:03:39.000He was bragging to his nephew that he was there.
03:08:39.000They're all over every major corporate channel saying this poor little baby, they're saying he was a fed or an operative or a provocateur for some NGO.
03:10:13.000He was not charged with obstruction of an official proceeding, which would have been a very easy charge and a fairly typical felony charge given to us.
03:10:26.000It's extremely strange, given how conspicuous and egregious and concentrated his behavior was, that he somehow was able to avoid the obstruction of official proceeding charge, number one.
03:10:41.000Number two, there are even more serious charges they could have given him.
03:10:45.000In fact, in the series of videos that we put out, there's one specific exchange he had with another guy.
03:10:58.000So when we go in, leave this here, he's referring to that individual's bear spray.
03:11:03.000That individual ends up going into the Capitol, committing violence, and doing a whole bunch of other things, and this is a bizarre case because this guy, who is super egregious, has to this day
03:13:18.000If you have evidence that you're innocent, fight.
03:13:20.000But there was no evidence because he broke the agreement that he signed, and then he pled guilty and said, I broke the agreement that I signed, and agreed to the sentence that the sentencing guy got.
03:13:29.000And Trump should be on the run for office.
03:13:30.000Also, this entire argument has been you, again, arguing for an insurrection, for a rebellion.
03:13:35.000All we have, everything we have over here is actual testimony under oath.
03:16:32.000He really is funny, but you do got to give him credit he is funny like he is hilarious when he goes Destiny goes so you don't trust the courts.
03:16:43.000I think most Americans don't that's when real revolution So you're in favor of revolution hey, you don't want to go there pal cuz you'll lose like This guy's this guy's a maniac
03:16:56.000I think claiming that that is a defensive insurrection is different.
03:17:06.000And also, Glenn, I think you look like you're about to say something, so if you wanted to speak first... Yeah, Darren, go ahead first, just to close the re-eps thing, but I do want to say something as well about what I've been hearing.
03:17:18.000What charges do you think he should have gotten?
03:17:20.000Oh, I think he could and should have gotten far more serious charges.
03:17:24.000The first example is the easiest and most readily available obstruction of official proceeding, which is basically the standard charge for people who have done far less egregious things.
03:17:34.000No, but it really isn't, though, because the only people charged with that, I believe, are the people who went into the House chamber.
03:17:45.000And second of all, that's not an ironclad law.
03:17:48.000That's not an ironclad law pertaining to the application of that charge.
03:17:53.000Secondly, there's a far more serious conspiracy charge that the government had available to them if we use the standards that they've applied in similar January 6th cases.
03:18:14.000Stuart Rhoades literally said that if Trump doesn't impose the Insurrection Act that we need an insurrection and he said storm the Capitol and he went into the Capitol and he hurt police officers.
03:18:27.000Any call for people to... Joe Biggs did.
03:20:12.000Let's let Glenn finish this one off because then I have another question for you guys.
03:20:16.000Yeah, the whole thing, like listening to them, honestly it's like listening, I don't mean to be insulting, I'm just saying this, you know, it's what it sounds like, like 7th graders who are in civics class and have this understanding of how the U.S.
03:20:26.000government works, like, oh, the FBI investigate, and they discover crimes, and then they go to the courts, and the courts are very honest, and the courts are apolitical, and the courts make rulings,
03:20:36.000Everything that has happened in January 6th, and you can even look at the people they picked and choose who to expand the law, the people who ended up getting prosecuted on felony counts, even though they were nonviolent, had these incredibly novel interpretations of law that were used against them to turn nonviolent demonstration and nonviolent political protest into felony by taking this
03:21:34.000Then you're going to end up with this image of what the three of them have, which is this idea that this was one of the worst attacks in American history.
03:21:41.000The courts have ruled everything the government did in this case is consistent with their long-standing view before January 6th, that these groups are criminal groups.
03:21:51.000Trump's movement is a threat to the United States, and the entire part of January 6th was designed to define them as an insurrectionary movement so that they could criminalize them, which is exactly what they're doing.
03:22:34.000You understand that usually what happens in the United States with non-violent protesters or even with violent protesters is they don't get charged with anything.
03:22:42.000A tiny percentage of people who use violence throughout all of the Black Lives Matter protests ended up in jail because the ideology in which they were protesting was one that was considered positive and friendly.
03:23:13.000It's not the same to compare Black Lives Matter protesters and protesters who entered the Capitol building during the certification of the election.
03:23:22.000Those are not... Democrats have bombed the U.S.
03:24:24.000So Alex, what if instead of the Capitol is the White House and there's thousands of people at the White House fence and they push through the fence, do you think those people deserve more of a criminal penalty than people that were rioting in
03:25:22.000Yeah, but nobody... See, I'm giving you specifics.
03:25:24.000Nobody was actually... I'm giving you specifics.
03:25:26.000Did anybody cross police barricades into the White House?
03:25:29.000You know what I saw was the police, after a little bit of a fight, opened the doors and waved people in, and a bunch of... They didn't wave people in.
03:27:57.000The reason it's being amplified in this fashion is to justify the further weaponization of the national security apparatus against Trump supporters and to suppress the energies associated with Trump's movement.
03:28:09.000Therefore, you have these crazy sentencing.
03:28:12.000Even those top sentences for the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, 20 years, 18 years.
03:28:19.000It's simply insane when you think about, you know, again, all of it has to be comparative.
03:28:25.000Are people guilty of murder who get less prison time?
03:28:29.000And the self-described, self-professed posture of the DOJ in the immediate aftermath of January 6 is one of shock and awe, which ominously, but kind of unwittingly accurately,
03:28:43.000Um, recalls the Iraq war and the war on terror.
03:28:50.000It's very fitting that the Department of Homeland Security is the tip of the spear when it comes to this repurposing of the national security apparatus.
03:28:58.000It was the Department of Homeland Security that said white supremacy is the number one national security threat and by white supremacy they mean Trump.
03:29:07.000All of these people have also said January 6th was a white supremacist
03:29:13.000Hillary Clinton has said that MAGA is a white supremacist slogan.
03:29:17.000So that helps to contextualize and clarify what they mean when they say white supremacy is the number one national security threat.
03:29:26.000And so basically these people, even the people who committed illegal acts,
03:29:32.000Are in effect political prisoners because of the political context of these prosecutions, which are vastly overblown and could only make sense within this political context of the weaponization, not only of the national security state, but unfortunately now also the legal apparatus.
03:29:51.000Let's go on the line with Glenn again and then all you guys, but I just want to say something.
03:29:57.000In June of 2021, Biden put out a national security memorandum, which you just mentioned, saying
03:30:03.000Right-wing extremism is the number one threat.
03:30:05.000Then he defined that as white supremism and then said, questioning open borders, questioning elections, questioning lockdowns, questioning four shots.
03:32:16.000And the reason they believe it is because they don't know the history of the war on terror.
03:32:19.000They don't know the history of the Cold War.
03:32:21.000They don't know what the CIA and the FBI and the U.S.
03:32:24.000security state have been constructed to do and the role that they played in our domestic politics.
03:32:28.000Every single time that there's some new crisis, the CIA, the FBI, the permanent power faction in Washington, and it's not like some crazy conspiracy theory Dwight Eisenhower warned a bit on his way out of the presidency in 1961 when he called it the military-industrial complex because he had seen how it was growing beyond all democratic accountability.
03:32:47.000Every time what they need to do is convince somebody to be scared of something, to be scared of communism, to be scared of terrorism, to be scared of domestic terrorism, and they convince people that some minor event, relatively speaking, in the history of the threats to our country, like the 9-11 attack, which is a terrible thing, but they exaggerated wildly the threat of foreign terrorism to basically institute the Patriot Act and
03:35:01.000Many of these were Trump judges that actually charged these, not charged these people, but sentenced these people.
03:35:08.000I think that if we want to talk about knowing history and understanding history and contextualizing history, I think if we want to run with that argument, then we need to do real journalist work while we do it.
03:35:17.000It's not enough to say the FBI or the CIA has done this 10, 20 years ago and then blindly assert it every single time it happens to fit whatever political narrative you want to tell.
03:35:26.000If you want to tell a story, the person telling the story needs to find evidence to support it.
03:35:30.000Sure, if you want to say the FBI or the CIA or any other domestic agency has been involved in spying on Americans or doing bad things, that's fine.
03:35:49.000Find some information from today or find some information from January 6th to today.
03:35:53.000It's not enough to just keep appealing to the past and pretend like that's going to do your homework for you and that somehow you can make all of these accusations without having any real evidence.
03:36:00.000As far as this claim of like there are novel uses of charges or people don't do charges like this, as we said over here, like most of the sentences have been within sentencing guidelines.
03:36:08.000A lot of these have been done with a Trump-appointed judge.
03:36:10.000The idea that these charges are novel, that people don't face prosecution like this, there's some element of truth to that, but this is also a novel situation.
03:36:17.000We have never had a president in the United States try to resist the peaceful transfer of power like this.
03:36:23.000And you can keep screaming about Hillary Clinton and you can keep screaming about BLM all you want and talk about the blown up fire stations and the congressional halls.
03:36:30.000The reality is that none of those situations were like this one.
03:36:32.000If you want to keep appealing to those and saying those people should have been charged with crimes, we agree they should have been charged with crimes.
03:36:36.000But to even do the whataboutism, you have to already concede that you are wrong on all of the merits about the current people you're talking about.
03:36:42.000Every single time we talk about Donald Trump, you go, well, what about when Hillary Clinton or Biden did it?
03:36:46.000Oh, OK, then you admit that Trump did?
03:36:48.000Because if you want to admit that Trump is guilty of every single thing that we've been accusing him of, which is what you're doing when you go, what about the other guy?
03:36:53.000Because it seems like you're just trying to appeal to hypocrisy at that point, rather than the fact of the matter.
03:37:41.000That the Feds went and found a bunch of basically homeless potheads, and just like Glenn was saying in the New York Times article, but they were more accurate, 97% of Islamic plots were hatched by the FBI, including the first World Trade Center bombing, and they admit all that.
03:37:55.000And I've interviewed the people involved, Ahmad Salam, all of them, that knew they were going to do the bombing.
03:37:58.000He came and said, why have I cooked a real bomb?
03:38:02.000With Whitmer, the same team involved in January 6th from the FBI went and set these people up and that came out in the mainstream news.
03:38:10.000So we know they, this isn't, you guys were saying, we don't want to go back to 10 years ago.
03:38:14.000You know, I've sat there for six, seven minutes, you know, out there smoking a cigarette while you're just going on and on, acting like you're being censored.
03:38:20.000You're like, there's no example recently of them doing something corrupt or bad.
03:38:49.000The parallels to January 6th are striking.
03:38:52.000Almost half of the so-called plotters turned out to be either informants or federal agents.
03:38:59.000One of those federal agents had to recuse himself from the trial because he beat his wife on the way home from a swingers party.
03:39:07.000The second one had to recuse himself because he was moonlighting in his private security firm and leaking details of investigations in which he was involved.
03:39:15.000But in every single, it wasn't just that there were informants.
03:39:19.000Every active step instrumental to this so-called plot was undertaken by one of the informants or one of the agents.
03:39:27.000One of the informants, as I mentioned him, Steve Robeson, in the context of does the government ever burn its own informants?
03:40:59.000First, the idea, again, that for the FBI to be infiltrating these groups is a conspiracy theory, again, requires an understanding of the FBI that's childlike.
03:41:11.000And what Destiny was saying before is, oh, we're just using what they've done in the past and therefore concluding they must be doing that in the future.
03:41:17.000He just ignored all the evidence we've been presenting for the last two hours, including the fact that the FBI, by their own admission, had informants in all three of the leading groups that organized January 6th and were talking to informants on the ground at
03:41:32.000As far as the January 6th defendants are concerned, it is true that they're getting sentences similar to what people get when they're charged with felonies.
03:41:45.000The point is that it is insane that non-violent protesters are being charged with felonies in the United States.
03:41:54.000And pointing to Black Lives Matter is not to say
03:41:57.000Oh yeah, that's whataboutism, so we're admitting that this was an insurrection and that is true.
03:42:01.000The point is that what the government is doing, if you look at the disparate treatment between the two, is picking and choosing which movement they like ideologically and politically and which they don't, and punishing much more severely the one that they don't, which is what January 6th is about.
03:42:17.000Going into the Capitol building, going into the Capitol building with weapons saying, hang Mike Pence, hang Mike Pence.
03:42:23.000No, that's not a violent crime, but are you saying that that doesn't warrant a felony conviction?
03:42:47.000They created an interpretation of the law that was enacted after Enron that was designed to criminalize accountants from obstructing fraud at the corporate level.
03:42:56.000Every single... The meaning of it is to mean that if it's a non-violent protest, any non-violent protest now at the Capitol, you'll be charged with a felony.
03:43:46.000Let's talk about Thomas Caldwell for a minute.
03:43:51.000To Glenn's point, keep in mind that when you're saying that BLM wasn't treated the same because of the government, you're not just alleging the federal government at that point, you're alleging every single state government and city municipality that's in charge of arresting people are all on the same page.
03:44:07.000Wait, the feds are in charge of prosecuting everybody in every state?
03:44:10.000Thomas Caldwell was part of the seditious conspiracy.
03:44:14.000He was part of the conspiracy by the Oath Keepers.
03:44:16.000That's why he got charged with a felony.
03:44:19.000When Black Lives Matter happened, every single blue state mayor and every single blue state governor weighed in on the side of the writers because they were petrified of being demonized as being racist if they didn't support everything the Black Lives Matter movement did.
03:44:33.000So yes, the Black Lives Matter movement had corporations.
03:44:36.000The reality of our government that you don't understand.
03:44:59.000The reality of our government that you don't understand is that police orders don't come down from the federal government or even from the governors.
03:45:05.000Policing is done at the municipal level.
03:45:07.000The idea that governors are dictating... No, it's federal.
03:46:16.000And all I'm telling you is, is, is this, this Biden announcement that currently, currently, the number one threat is the Trump supporters and Trump must be taken off the ballot.
03:46:29.000You can punt to the Supreme Court, but they're literally trying to preclude Americans for voting for who they want.
03:46:35.000That's the election theft and our face.
03:46:37.000How much longer, dude, how much longer is this?
03:48:54.000You had all your investigations and you lost every single one.
03:48:58.000When you lose in court, you go to the next day.
03:49:03.000Remember in 2016 when all the conservatives said, well you know what, if we would have lost the election, you know what we would have done the next day?
03:49:20.000My dream is that Ed and Brian and Destiny have to actually live through a real coup so that they can then come back to the set and be like, oh my God, you know what?
03:49:29.000I'm so sorry for saying that what happened in the Capitol for three hours against the most militarized and powerful government to ever exist in human history got anywhere near a coup or an insurrection.
03:51:16.000I know, Destiny is now the incredible giant of journalism and the constitutional scholar I used to be, as Destiny said.
03:51:22.000But anyway, a coup is generally when people in power or people who are trying to get into power marshal the force of the armed factions of that country and use it to eliminate the legal process and take over.
03:51:33.000So for example, if Trump had called in the military on his side on January 6th, or he had gotten the military to block people from trying to remove him from office on January 20th, that is always what we say is a coup.
03:51:45.000Nothing that looks like what happened on January 6th.
03:51:47.000The other thing I just want to correct, Destiny- Couldn't we have said that like two hours ago?
03:51:52.000Why didn't they say that at the beginning?
03:51:53.000Like that- Seems to have this like debate me sort of thing point that he thinks he keeps making that's so smart which is when you say- Why does he waste so much time on catty comments?
03:52:01.000There must be something better for him to say.
03:52:03.000Cause he's gay and we love it and he's eating you up right now you little faggot.
03:52:07.000Because he's gay and he's eating you up.
03:52:42.000I'm against all rioting, just to be clear.
03:53:10.000One of the ways that you show that it's not a coup is by saying that the things that you like that are done that are far more insurrectionary are things you won't call an insurrection because those
03:54:10.000We're not shutting down, we're just moving to the next phase of the organization, which is... Well, let Destiny and Glenn finish his point.
03:55:44.000These are from ZeroHedge.com from some of the premium users of the website have sent in some of the questions.
03:55:49.000This one's actually a question for what they call the Blue Team, which right now is going to be the three of you guys, Ed, Brian, and Steven.
03:55:55.000The question is, the New York Times acknowledged that there were FBI informants in the Capitol on January 6th, and then they give a link to the New York Times article.
03:56:03.000Given the agency's history of entrapment, is it a stretch that some agents may have provoked the riot?
03:56:09.000And then there's a follow-up question.
03:56:11.000Why was law enforcement so ill-prepared for the insurrection, in quotes, despite the presence of informants?
03:56:16.000So the first question, first part of the question is, is it a stretch that some agents may have provoked the riot?
03:56:22.000So, so informants are something the FBI... I don't, do we, do we really need to watch the Q&A?
03:57:00.000As they were having conversations prior to establishing security, I think they took a lot of extraordinary bureaucratic measures to make it so that I think that day, if the National Guard was going to be deployed, it either had to be, I think, Miller or Walker.
03:57:12.000I think one of those two had to be the direct authorization.
04:00:06.000What if we had a debate with Alex Jones drunk, screaming like a banshee, the Krasenstein brothers, whoever they are, Darren Beatty, Glenn Greenwald by Skype, Destiny, and this and Ian whatever moderating.
04:01:10.000As long as we can put this guy in jail and psychologically torture him, all the things that he's afraid of when he talks about like, you know, CIA mind control, we need to do it to this guy.
04:01:21.000This guy should be captured by the NSA and put at Guantanamo and fed LSD and fucking tortured.
04:03:37.000And to try and make it about Alex when there are six people here presenting all kinds of evidence that you're not equipped to deal with, I think it's just a pathetic way to try and end this debate.
04:03:47.000And the last thing I want to say is it's really given like a kind of amazingly vivid mindset into the minds of Trump-era liberals who have really come to see
04:03:56.000The US security state and the courts and prosecutors as their political allies in their war that they're waging against people who disagree with them.
04:04:04.000And they have this like very romanticized view of what the FBI is, what the DOJ is, how the court systems work, how the federal government works.
04:04:12.000And all of this reveals this so well because what's happening here is so manifest, which is that all of these agencies are being abused because the Trump movement is considered the gravest threat to establishment power in this country, which is why the bipartisan establishment is against it.
04:04:27.000To try and make this about Alex and Sandy Hook is a really pathetic way to end the debate.
04:04:31.000I think you guys have done a good job defending your views.
04:04:55.000Glenn, give us a three minute closing comment.
04:04:59.000All I'm trying to say is I didn't launch any wars.
04:05:01.000I didn't lie about WMDs, and to bring that in is... There was a point to it, though.
04:05:07.000His point was just that if you were lying about that, or if you had psychosis about that, how do we know that that's not coming back?
04:05:17.000About half the show we talked about... I did not say I had psychosis.
04:05:20.000Half of the show we talked about feds, and you... No, I talked to... If you look at the full clip of the transcript... We talked about things being saved.
04:06:09.000There's the Norfolk memo coming out of the Norfolk office of the FBI, extensively cataloging threats to the Capitol, including maps of tunnels, all kinds of indications that there was going to be a major event at the Capitol on that day.
04:06:27.000There was extensive government infiltration of every single militia group imputed to January 6th.
04:06:50.000We know the VP of the Oath Keepers was an FBI informant.
04:06:54.000We know there are at least eight other informants in the Proud Boys, including informants who are texting their handlers simultaneously as they were in the Capitol and as the events unfolded.
04:07:06.000We know of the Oath Keeper Jeremy Brown.
04:07:09.000Who has been attacked and persecuted by the government.
04:07:12.000Because when he was approached by JTTF agents in December of 2020 to recruit him as an informant, he recorded the exchange and the encounter and put it out there on the Internet.
04:07:28.000The JTTF agents said, there's something going to happen in January.
04:07:32.000We want you to be an informant for us.
04:07:34.000We know that there are several influencers, including Milo,
04:07:38.000Who parlored, or whatever the tweet version is for parlor, put out a message on January 5th saying, I was just approached by federal agents.
04:07:47.000Whatever they have planned on the 6th is huge.
04:07:54.000Oh yeah, and there was Donnell Harvin.
04:07:57.000He was the head of the Homeland Security Office for the DC Fusion Center.
04:08:02.000His predictions were remarkably specific and accurate.
04:08:06.000His office came up with the idea that we need to have body bags.
04:08:12.000We need to focus on the Capitol at one o'clock.
04:08:15.000Specifically, we need to be concerned with explosives planted on side streets that could serve a diversionary effect.
04:08:23.000Therefore allowing for an attack on the Capitol.
04:08:26.000These are just some of the highlights of examples of the government being in a position to know in advance what was going on.
04:08:34.000And it wasn't just that there was an ordinary level of security at the Capitol, which is inconceivable when you think of the fact that there was a major proceeding there, that Trump was there giving a speech.
04:08:44.000Ordinarily, there would be threat assessments, which there weren't.
04:08:48.000It's not just that there was ordinary level of security.
04:08:52.000There is a uniquely absent security on that day, uniquely poor security on a day with a major certification proceeding, on a day in which President Trump was there to give a major speech on a very controversial question directly pertinent to that proceeding.
04:09:09.000So Darren, there's 1,250 people who were indicted thus far.
04:09:14.000How many of them brought up as evidence in court
04:09:18.000...that they were enticed or led into the building or led to do crimes by federal agents.
04:09:47.000I would think that evidence that a federal agent led you to commit a crime or acted in a way that made you want to commit a crime would be pretty exculpatory evidence right there.
04:10:10.000And like I said, there are people who are pursuing that.
04:10:13.000There's a significant backlash to that within the judicial system.
04:10:17.000So even given how much it's rigged now, it's additionally rigged when it comes to those specific types of defenses because they're so subversive to the larger narrative that the government is trying to promote.
04:10:28.000Why wouldn't McCarthy put any Republicans on the J6 committee then and investigate this?
04:10:33.000Well, McCarthy isn't exactly someone who's aggressively interested in pursuing the truth on this either.
04:10:39.000Okay, why not appoint like a special counsel or appoint something separate then from Congress?
04:10:44.000Well, I think that would be a fantastic idea, but again- Why didn't Trump do it?
04:10:49.000Trump's not in a position to do it right now.
04:10:50.000Yeah, but right after J6, before he gets kicked out, I want to point out- Well, I mean- Or why not on the days before, if he thinks that there's- I mean, there is not a really window of opportunity for that to happen.
04:12:06.000It's convenient for the regime not to have a legitimate and disinterested fact-finding commission to truly get to the bottom of the real questions that matter in relation to January 6th.
04:12:17.000But there is no disinterested fact-finding.
04:12:19.000You guys say Comey was biased, even though he was a lifelong Republican.
04:12:22.000You say Raffensperger was biased, even though he was a lifelong Republican.
04:12:25.000You guys say that Barr was biased, even though he's been a lifelong Trump supporter and a Republican.
04:12:29.000Yeah, you say Ray is biased, like every single person.
04:12:32.000Yeah, so then there are no unbiased fact finders.
04:12:35.000I didn't say there are none, but the specific names you mentioned, absolutely.
04:12:56.000Jim Jordan would be your example of an unbiased party.
04:12:59.000Jim Jordan was literally part of the investigation.
04:13:01.000I would say for there to be a legitimate committee, it would have to include people who are genuinely interested in pursuing not only the questions that Benny Thompson and the hyper-partisan Democrats wanted to find out,
04:13:15.000But people who are sympathetic to the other side who would be willing to pursue the questions that I've raised and have been raised that were not addressed at all in the committee because all they were interested in was demonizing Trump and setting up a criminal proceeding for Trump.
04:13:30.000They weren't interested in getting to the bottom of the questions.
04:14:02.000If every single person in government, if every Republican, if every Democrat
04:14:24.000If every judge, if every person in the United States that is in Trump's peripheral ends up hating Trump or not wanting to work with Trump, at what point do you say- Well, we're not saying every.
04:14:35.000At what point do you say- Christopher Wray is not- At what point do you just say- I've been gone for 10 minutes, let me respond.
04:14:40.000You can't just run back in here and cut me off, okay?
04:14:42.000At what point can we not say, maybe Trump was actually genuinely a horrible person?
04:14:47.000Or maybe Trump actually genuinely- Dude, this guy is just like an idiot, man.
04:14:51.000The level of reasoning on display here, he says,
04:14:55.000Well, maybe if these people didn't like him, maybe that's because he's a bad person.
04:15:13.000Well, they offered Republicans, but they got shut down.
04:15:16.000Well, they shut them down because it was partisan and they didn't offer more because it was clear it was going to be partisan and they didn't want to legitimize it.
04:16:09.000Maybe when it's concerning a disruptive element like Donald Trump, with disruptive policy changes, which are wildly different than what the permanent bureaucratic state has pursued for 30 years, maybe things get
04:16:29.000I'm talking about Donald Trump runs against, contra, the free trade, open border, pro-war agenda of both Republicans and Democrats and the permanent bureaucrats inside the State Department, Pentagon, and Chamber of Commerce, and these types of institutions that have been pursuing those policies for 30 years.
04:16:51.000You don't think that when Trump gets in the middle of that, that there isn't conflict?
04:16:56.000That he goes to Congress and he encounters people in the U.S.
04:17:00.000intelligence community or in the party establishment that are not hostile to him out of interest, out of self-interest, rather than affinity.
04:17:10.000Rather, in other words, they don't dislike Trump because he's a meanie bo-beanie and nobody likes you because you're a jerk, but maybe because Donald Trump is a disruptive force
04:17:44.000Darren said, let's investigate the real questions.
04:17:47.000Destiny, well there was an investigation.
04:17:50.000Darren, but obviously that was run by hyper-partisan Democrats.
04:17:54.000Destiny, but that's because Republicans didn't put up candidates after two were shut down.
04:18:00.000Darren, that's because the people that they put up were people that are sympathetic to the other side, which is what would be required for it to be fair.
04:18:09.000And if they're only going to accept people that aren't sympathetic, then it's a sham.
04:19:19.000Yes, there is a broad consensus, even though there is partisanship, there is a broad ideological consensus, there is an institutionalist consensus among the people in the institutions.
04:19:33.000And Donald Trump running against the institutions and against the establishment is not liked by them.
04:19:44.000I'm sure that anybody that got lunch with Trump would get on fine with him.
04:19:49.000And I'm sure if Donald Trump was running a Home Depot or a Kmart, people would think he's maybe not the worst boss.
04:19:57.000But when you're running to change the global common market, the free movement of goods and people, again, this globalist, neoliberal, institutionalist consensus,
04:20:09.000Yeah, people in the establishment won't like you.
04:20:11.000Yes, there will be establishment Republicans.
04:20:14.000You know, Bill Barr, not exactly a great example.
04:21:07.000And then you sit this guy down to talk about January 6th and his argument is something like, erm, well, the Republicans just, like, freaking gave up.
04:21:15.000Like, why did the Republicans, like, give more people?
04:21:17.000They just, like, they were like, er, fuck it.
04:21:19.000We're just gonna give up because you shot down two of our appointees.
04:21:27.000To volunteer more Republicans would legitimize something and give political legitimacy to something that's hyper-partisan and unprecedented in the history of congressional investigations.
04:22:55.000I mean, how do you think we got in Iraq?
04:22:58.000You think we got in Iraq because journalists were doing their due diligence about this intelligence that the United States would share with no one about WMDs?
04:23:08.000Or all the other endless anonymous sources from the IC that are telling us about Russia killing soldiers in Afghanistan, or Russia blowing up a nuclear plant in Ukraine, or Assad using chemical weapons a billion times in the past ten years?
04:23:56.000This ongoing Trump movement, which is obviously very disruptive and actually does involve competing power factions, and the level of engagement on a complex subject like this is, if no one likes you, maybe you're a horrible person.
04:24:22.000And you said, well, you know, even if he, I mean, if they could even understand the words, when Darren says, well, Republicans are hostile to Trump, a child would say, well, if nobody likes him.
04:25:28.000It was like earlier in the debate when Krasenstein didn't know that the census determines the apportionment of electoral votes and seats in the House.
04:28:48.000You're not equipped to have this debate if you don't know about interest-based politics, money-powered politics, and the role of media, and the role of espionage, which is significant.
04:29:03.000When you look at the color revolutions around the world, when you look at the history of the Cold War, it's a spy game.
04:29:09.000What happens in the world, it's a money game, and it's a spy game, and it's a resource game.
04:29:15.000And if you're not thinking about the world in those terms, you don't understand the world.
04:29:20.000If you're thinking about the world in terms of liberals and conservatives and Republicans and Democrats and, you know, religious bigots and tolerant liberals, like, you don't, you have no idea what's going on.
04:30:45.000You know, and they say the same thing about, like, the war in Russia.
04:30:49.000They're like, well, Putin was, Putin's wet dream.
04:30:52.000Putin's a gas station attendant with a First World military and a Third World economy, and his wet dream, you know, he really, they always do, they load up the sexual language, too.
04:31:02.000They'll say shit like, you know, they're playing footsie with dictators, they're writing love letters.
04:31:08.000So I'll say, Putin, a glorified gas station attendant, his wet dream is to rebuild the Soviet Union because he's an evil tyrant like Mao.
04:31:22.000NATO overthrew the government in Kiev and was going to deploy medium-range ballistic missiles east of the Dnieper River at the throat of Moscow, and compromise the Black Sea fleet at Sevastopol.
04:32:26.000Because it seems like unless we present that, they're unwilling to look at any of the other, like, deductive reasoning.
04:32:32.000If you break it down and say, why did this guy get treated favorably by 60 Minutes and the New York Times and Adam Kinzinger,
04:32:43.000And why was your move from the FBI's most wanted list and why did they, even though they were pursuing aggressive prosecutions against everybody, why did they take it easy on him?
04:32:52.000And Destiny goes, well that's not proof.
04:33:08.000Like, apparently that's the standard of evidence.
04:33:12.000Where's the evidence that the election was rigged?
04:33:14.000Well, how about Mark Zuckerberg's $300 million get-out-the-vote?
04:33:18.000How about the fact that the FBI told social media that the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian intelligence, so they banned you from sharing the link a month before the election?
04:33:28.000How about the fact that they expanded the mail-in ballots and solicited ballots in many states?
04:35:12.000I don't know how the FBI judges domestic threat.
04:35:14.000It wouldn't surprise me if there's a lot of crossover with, like, white supremacy groups and them being, like, organized like a domestic threat, but my guess would be domestic threats in the U.S.
04:35:21.000is probably fairly low to the total security of the U.S., so I don't really care that much about it.
04:36:36.000He's not allowed to be voted for because Section 3 of the 14th Amendment says that if you have been a prior outtaker and you have been engaged in a rebellious insurrection, you're not allowed to run for office again.
04:36:45.000We have to be clear about what's really happening.
04:36:48.000The standard Democrat voter, these people don't care about the so-called insurrection.
04:36:57.000Biden's audience is to speak in support of this phony legal theory that's being served as a pretext to remove him from the ballots and therefore, you know, in the defense of democracy.
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04:39:23.000The first time I've ever moderated a debate with five people and then somebody coming in digital, which has its own... And if you want to see more of this...
04:41:37.000It's kind of a shame because it would have been good to actually hear Darren present the full case because he's been on this for years and I don't feel like I've ever seen him really lay it out and It would have been a good opportunity to hear the back-and-forth and hear a debate on that especially
04:41:55.000The distinction between the rigged and the stolen election.
04:41:57.000I thought, you know, that would have been a fruitful discussion.
04:42:21.000Darren Beatty always a treat to listen to him he's obviously brilliant and cogent and well-researched and you know I'm a huge fan of his same thing with Glenn Greenwald I thought Glenn Greenwald you know he and he brought that gay flair you know Darren Beatty's got the bags under his eyes I mean you know he's really got this like you know strategist thing and Glenn Greenwald's like
04:43:38.000So let's see, we got Nick, Glenn, MemeTix, Darren, Darren, no one, Nick, MemeTix, Darren, Darren, Gren, Gren, Greenwald, Glenn, Greenwald, Leafy, Glenn, Nick, Destiny, Darren, and so it's all over the place, I guess.
04:43:58.000A lot of Darren, a lot of Glenn, a lot of me.
04:44:29.000Crossland yeah, yeah a lot but mostly destiny some Alex For me, I would say I would probably rank it Darren Glenn Then I would say Alex begrudgingly then I'd say the Krasensteins then I'd say Ian Crossland then I'd say destiny at the very bottom now that would be my ranking but All right.
04:50:40.000Stacking bands I'm this guy's been super chatting like hundreds of dollars every day for weeks occasionally thousands and Then just out of nowhere boom another thousand.
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04:54:01.000I'm beginning to think Alex is just controlled opposition and instrument used to lead conservatives astray while at the same time create an image of conservatives that validates preconceived notions of the alcoholic, irrational, tinfoil hat wearing uncle so as to discredit the right as a whole.
04:54:16.000He is useful to the opposition more than he is a threat.
04:54:34.000I wouldn't even say I'm confident about that because he could really just be like an unhinged maniac.
04:54:41.000You know, I don't know that you can necessarily say that
04:54:45.000I think it's plausible that there is some level of handling going on like I would be a lot more Confident saying he's being handled in some way than that.
04:54:53.000He is like You know that he's an actor that he's an agent or something But who really knows I just I just look at what he says.
04:55:03.000I just analyze what he says because without
04:55:08.000Without real evidence, I mean, because he seems like a pretty sincere guy.
04:55:12.000He's like a sincere alcoholic and chain smoker and all that.
04:55:15.000Like, he seems pretty authentic in some ways.
04:55:45.000If you burn down an empty federal courthouse, you are still interfering with official proceedings because you can't use that building for future official proceedings until the building is repaired.
04:57:48.000Started following you after the debate you did against Destiny and Hassan on the Trainwrecks show 4 years ago, but finally became redpilled on the JQ after yay on Infowars.
04:57:58.000Here's some of my do's, keep up the good work and thank you for being willing to tell the truth even when it's difficult.
04:58:03.000Well thank you very much, that's very fulfilling.
04:58:06.000Why did it take you 4 years to get redpilled to 3 years?
04:59:45.000When I got put on the no-fly list, I should have just put in a word and said, hey, uh, you think I could just get pulled off of that real quick?
04:59:53.000That's, by the way, exactly what I did.
04:59:55.000I called the TSA, and you know what they told me?
04:59:58.000They said, even if you are on the list, we can't even tell you if you're on the list.
05:08:32.000My entire timeline is Destiny a-logging and holy cow he is so hard to listen to but for you and JonTron I'll keep going till he is destroyed.
05:08:40.000Also, I still haven't remailed your Christmas present but soon.
05:09:01.000But Destiny, or rather Jimbo, is there day in day out, A-logging Destiny, watching his content, clipping it up, sending it in the group chat, coordinating the attack.
05:09:20.000Easily, like... You and Paul Town gotta be some of my favorites, so... I don't wanna say... If I say my favorite, then, you know, someone is gonna... Someone's gonna be jumping on a stream.
05:11:57.000Wordsarewords sent $5, there's a connection between Jerome Corsi and Alex Jones, Corsi has been accused of being Mossad or an arm of Israel, maybe that's how Alex knew about 9-11 and Epstein way ahead of time.
05:12:14.000Mr. Mime sent $10, that other super chatter is retarded, liberals don't understand interest based politics because they don't care about their own interests, they choose political positions based on what they think will win them the most debates online.
05:12:42.000Hey, if you are still looking for a solution to your problem, you can use Pepto-Bismol, whole A2 milk, and a good candle to settle your stomach.
05:12:51.000Frequent runs are a common problem for me.