America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - January 6th Debate | Jones, Beattie, Greenwald VS Destiny, Krassensteins

00:00:00.000 It's 75.

00:03:46.000 I'm slowly drifting to you.

00:04:00.000 The stars of the planet are calling me.

00:04:08.000 I'd be your guest.

00:04:20.000 I don't know.

00:05:57.000 We're good.

00:06:40.000 I don't know.

00:08:08.000 What?

00:08:51.000 Good evening, everybody.

00:08:53.000 You're watching Nick Fuentes.

00:08:55.000 This is my Rumble channel, and we're gonna be watching the January 6th Super Debate between Alex Jones, Darren Beatty, Glenn Greenwald, and Destiny, and the Krasenstein Brothers.

00:09:09.000 As always, we're starting a little bit late, but that's okay.

00:09:13.000 We're gonna catch up, and we're gonna watch the entire debate.

00:09:17.000 I gotta be honest with you.

00:09:18.000 I've been watching it a little bit.

00:09:22.000 I've seen parts of it so far. 1.00

00:09:25.000 And it sucks! 1.00

00:09:28.000 I mean, this debate sucks. 1.00

00:09:30.000 And I don't say that lightly. 0.98

00:09:32.000 I know I have reaction like that to a lot of things.

00:09:35.000 But this debate is hard to watch.

00:09:39.000 And you'll see what I mean.

00:09:41.000 If you've been watching it already, you already know.

00:09:45.000 And if you haven't seen it yet, well, you're about to find out what I mean by that.

00:10:15.000 Kebab Remover, PsyOptGunt, NJF36, ChickenWaffen, GodEmperorGeotis, Arthur Friend.

00:10:28.000 What's going on everybody?

00:10:29.000 Good evening!

00:10:32.000 What's up?

00:10:33.000 Hope you're all having a great Saturday, great weekend.

00:10:35.000 I just woke up shortly ago.

00:10:38.000 I was all ready to go.

00:10:40.000 I was ready to jump on live and then I just straight up passed out.

00:10:45.000 On the couch.

00:10:46.000 I just fell asleep.

00:10:48.000 So that's, you know, that's on me.

00:10:50.000 So that's on me.

00:10:51.000 I thought I'd be okay, because this morning I had like a dozen donuts.

00:10:54.000 I had three cups of coffee.

00:10:56.000 So I thought that would be enough, but I just, it put me to sleep.

00:11:00.000 Rather than wake me up, it put me to sleep.

00:11:03.000 But that's okay.

00:11:04.000 You know, time.

00:11:07.000 Really is an illusion.

00:11:08.000 So anyway, so what is it really?

00:11:10.000 You know, it's 7.50, six o'clock, you know, who's really keeping score?

00:11:15.000 But we'll dive into the debate.

00:11:17.000 We're going to start from the beginning.

00:11:19.000 So this is a debate about January 6th, and it's Glenn Greenwald from... What is he even on anymore?

00:11:28.000 I guess he has a show on Rumble.

00:11:29.000 I don't know who he writes for.

00:11:31.000 Alex Jones from InfoWars, Daren Peaty from Revolver,

00:11:35.000 And they are debating Destiny and the Krasenstein brothers, Brian and Ed.

00:11:41.000 And I admittedly don't really know that much about the Krasenstein brothers, but I think everybody here's Jewish.

00:11:48.000 The Krasensteins are Jewish, Glenn Greenwald's Jewish, Darren Peaty's Jewish.

00:11:52.000 I just want to point that out.

00:11:54.000 Not that it really has too much to do with the debate.

00:11:56.000 It's about the 6th, so it's not too much, but...

00:12:00.000 Can't help but notice a little bit. 0.99

00:12:02.000 So anyway, so we're gonna dive in Alright, we got somebody spamming faggot Jew in the chat. 1.00

00:12:08.000 Can we just relax with that? 0.99

00:12:09.000 It's gonna be okay Alright, and actually if you're talking about Glenn Greenwald, you know, we like Glenn Greenwald He does happen to be a homosexual and Jewish, but you know, I actually like him.

00:12:20.000 I think he's pretty pretty intelligent so

00:12:25.000 You know so he's not so bad but all right we're gonna dive into it it's gonna be this is gonna be a slog but we're gonna start from the beginning we're gonna get through it together and it's gonna be frustrating and it's gonna kind of suck a little bit but you know we're gonna do it together it's called shared trauma

00:12:44.000 And this is the basis of a strong connection.

00:12:46.000 So we're going to develop a parasocial relationship through the shared trauma.

00:12:50.000 You're going to identify with me.

00:12:52.000 You're going to relate to me.

00:12:54.000 And you're going to begin to like me.

00:12:56.000 You're going to begin to support me.

00:12:59.000 Because we'll be going through a shared hardship.

00:13:02.000 And that will strengthen our bond.

00:13:04.000 Alright, here we go!

00:13:06.000 You know, I'm really dreading it.

00:13:07.000 But I tried to sleep through it because I just didn't want to do it.

00:13:10.000 But here we are.

00:13:12.000 Let's do it.

00:13:14.000 January 6th debate, Alex Jones, Darren Petey, Glenn Greenwald vs. Destiny and the Krasensteins.

00:13:22.000 Let's get it.

00:13:43.000 We got our panel here.

00:13:44.000 Krasenstein Brothers, Destiny, Alex Jones, Darren, and Glenn.

00:13:48.000 It's a shame they couldn't get him in person.

00:13:50.000 I guess, though, I think he lives in another country.

00:13:55.000 I thought he lived in Brazil with his husband.

00:13:57.000 I know the husband died recently.

00:14:02.000 But that's a shame.

00:14:02.000 They really should have had him in the studio.

00:14:04.000 I don't think that really works.

00:14:12.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the second Zero Hedge Debate.

00:14:15.000 It is an honor and a privilege to be asked to moderate this debate.

00:14:18.000 I'm Ian Crossland.

00:14:19.000 I'm going to be moderating tonight, and the debate tonight is going to be about January 6, 2021.

00:14:23.000 This guy's a moderator?

00:14:27.000 They... They couldn't find some... You know what?

00:14:30.000 I like this guy.

00:14:31.000 He's actually not a bad guy.

00:14:35.000 But a moderator?

00:14:37.000 They couldn't find... Why didn't they have, like, Tim Pool moderate it?

00:14:40.000 Or why didn't they have...

00:14:42.000 Anybody else?

00:14:44.000 No offense.

00:14:44.000 I mean, I like this guy.

00:14:45.000 I don't even have beef with this guy.

00:14:47.000 I think he's okay, but he's a hippie.

00:14:51.000 He's a hippie talking about fractals.

00:14:53.000 He's wearing that shirt with that hair.

00:14:58.000 So yeah, I don't know what we're doing with that.

00:15:00.000 We, you know, maybe we could have found a better moderator.

00:15:03.000 I like him.

00:15:18.000 We're good to go.

00:15:45.000 With market-moving financial advice, real-time updates, it's a great service.

00:15:49.000 So you can go to zerohedge.com, sign up for the premium service, and get started there.

00:15:53.000 And from there, we're going to jump into it.

00:15:56.000 I want to introduce our panel of incredible people, as I said earlier.

00:15:59.000 And I'm going to start from the end and give you guys a chance to introduce yourselves.

00:16:01.000 We have Ed Krasenstein.

00:16:03.000 Yeah, how's it going?

00:16:04.000 I'm Ed Krasenstein.

00:16:05.000 You know me on X at Ed Krasen, also the twin brother of Brian.

00:16:11.000 Thanks for pointing out that it's Krasenstein, not Krasenstein.

00:16:14.000 Well, it can actually be either.

00:16:15.000 You can do Krasenstein or Krasenstein, and I really don't care what you use.

00:16:19.000 It's Frankenstein, not Stein!

00:16:20.000 Not Frankenstein.

00:16:23.000 That was Alex Jones, if you didn't know.

00:16:24.000 We also have Brian Krasenstein.

00:16:27.000 Hey Ian, it's great to be here.

00:16:28.000 I'm Brian Krasenstein, known as Krasenstein on X. I'm Ed's slightly better looking and more intelligent twin brother.

00:16:38.000 And modest as well.

00:16:39.000 Probably the most modest of the Krasensteins.

00:16:41.000 Next to Brian, we have Stephen Bonnell, known as Destiny.

00:16:45.000 What's happening, man?

00:16:46.000 Hey, what's up?

00:16:47.000 You know me on YouTube at Destiny.

00:16:48.000 My real life name is Stephen, and I scream and shout at people on the internet for a living.

00:16:52.000 Next to this dude, we got... Dude, he looks rough.

00:16:55.000 Is he on drugs?

00:17:01.000 Well, probably the most modest of the Krasensteins.

00:17:03.000 Next to Brian, we have Stephen Bonnell, known as Destiny.

00:17:07.000 What's happening, man?

00:17:08.000 Hey, what's up?

00:17:09.000 You know me on YouTube at Destiny.

00:17:10.000 My real life name is Stephen, and I scream and shout.

00:17:13.000 Imagine the smell.

00:17:16.000 He's got to change up the hair, because it kind of, in the whole look, kind of makes him look a little dirty.

00:17:21.000 A lot of people on the internet for a living.

00:17:23.000 Next to this dude, we got Alex Jones.

00:17:27.000 Alex, explain yourself.

00:17:29.000 Well, I don't think I probably needed much of an introduction.

00:17:32.000 But, I mean, I was there on January 6th, and I saw what happened.

00:17:36.000 And so...

00:17:38.000 It's a very important discussion we're about to have tonight.

00:17:40.000 I'm glad everybody came.

00:17:41.000 We need to have more of this, not just left and right, but just different groups of people debating and discussing.

00:17:47.000 I'm really glad that Zero Hedge and their great subscription service, people supporting it, is financing this.

00:17:54.000 And so you're going to see a lot more of those people supporting Zero Hedge.

00:17:57.000 And so I'm just honored to be here with you guys in Austin, Texas.

00:18:01.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:18:01.000 Shout out to Zero Hedge.

00:18:02.000 Great company.

00:18:03.000 Great people, too.

00:18:03.000 Really great people involved with the company.

00:18:05.000 And to your left, my right, Darren Beattie.

00:18:07.000 What's happening, man?

00:18:08.000 Great to be here.

00:18:09.000 Thank you.

00:18:09.000 I'm Darren Beatty.

00:18:10.000 I run a news site called revolver dot news, which is reported extensively on January 6th.

00:18:16.000 And you can also see me on X at Darren J. Beatty.

00:18:20.000 And you're a Trump advisor and speechwriter.

00:18:23.000 Yes.

00:18:23.000 And a former professor.

00:18:24.000 And you help quarterback a lot of the groundbreaking stuff that Tucker Carlson put up.

00:18:30.000 Indeed.

00:18:31.000 We also have coming in remote live Glenn Greenwald from your studio in Brazil.

00:18:37.000 What's happening, Glenn?

00:18:39.000 Hey everybody, Glenn Greenwald.

00:18:40.000 I'm a journalist.

00:18:41.000 I'm the host of System Update on Rumble.

00:18:44.000 I had planned to be there in person.

00:18:46.000 A little logistical problems intervened and I wish I could be, but I'm really looking forward to participating.

00:18:50.000 And I just want to echo Alex.

00:18:51.000 I think what Zero Hedge is doing is so important.

00:18:53.000 Organizing these kind of substantive structured debates among people who obviously disagree pretty strongly on things and yet nonetheless can have what I hope will be a civil and spirited debate.

00:19:03.000 What I expect is

00:19:03.000 It will be, so I'm really looking forward to it, and I appreciate being asked.

00:19:07.000 Yes, that is my job, is to make sure that it maintains civility, structure, organization, and that we don't talk over each other, that we end up listening to each other.

00:19:14.000 The real value of humanity, one of the most powerful tools we have is communication, so I think tonight's going to be an exemplary example of that.

00:19:22.000 Let's go for this.

00:19:25.000 The first question I got for you guys, and this is really for the entire panel and anyone that wants to start it off, maybe we can start with you Edson, just because you're on the end.

00:19:30.000 You always know there's like a weird-ass person who says something like, you know, you're doing it, you're introducing a debate and they'll say something out-of-pocket like, communication is one of humanity's most important tools.

00:19:43.000 Like, okay.

00:19:45.000 January 6, 2021.

00:19:46.000 It's like people are about to talk.

00:19:50.000 By the way, communication is one of humanity's most powerful tools.

00:19:55.000 Is this your first time having a discussion?

00:19:58.000 Was it an insurrection?

00:20:01.000 And before you answer, before you answer, I want to read this.

00:20:03.000 This is um, this is actually what the, it's called 18 U.S.

00:20:07.000 Code 2383, rebellion or insurrection.

00:20:09.000 Yeah, let me do an overhead shot.

00:20:11.000 This is right out of Cornell Law here.

00:20:13.000 Excellent.

00:20:13.000 Alright, I'm gonna start reading this.

00:20:14.000 This is according to the U.S.

00:20:16.000 Code.

00:20:16.000 Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States, or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both, and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

00:20:34.000 It technically doesn't define insurrection.

00:20:36.000 It's the code talking about what

00:20:39.000 But I guess what an insurrection is, of course they use the word insurrection in the actual code itself.

00:20:44.000 But what do you think?

00:20:44.000 Do you guys think it was an insurrection?

00:20:46.000 So I personally believe it was an insurrection.

00:20:50.000 And I base that on the fact that 20 court decisions called it an insurrection.

00:20:54.000 And the fact that there was a bill passed in the Senate that called them a mob of insurrectionists.

00:21:00.000 I think the bill passed, or it was in the House of Representatives, 406 to 21.

00:21:05.000 That was a statute to award the police officers medals.

00:21:09.000 And it referred to these individuals as insurrectionists.

00:21:12.000 So, I mean, I think the term can be subjective.

00:21:17.000 I think, you know,

00:21:20.000 People can say nobody was charged with violating Section 2383 of Title 18, which is the insurrection and rebellion statute.

00:21:30.000 And nobody was, right?

00:21:32.000 But I don't think that defines whether the event was an insurrection.

00:21:37.000 When I say insurrection,

00:21:39.000 I don't mean everybody there was partaking in an insurrection.

00:21:43.000 There were people who were peaceful.

00:21:45.000 The people who walked into the Capitol and did nothing, I don't think that they were insurrectionists.

00:21:51.000 I think they violated the law, but I don't think they were partaking in an insurrection.

00:21:55.000 I do think the Proud Boys were partaking in an insurrection.

00:21:59.000 I think you could say Donald Trump incited the insurrection.

00:22:02.000 I do.

00:22:04.000 Destiny, what do you think, man?

00:22:07.000 I would say the plot from start to finish is quite obviously an insurrection.

00:22:10.000 The only way to get around that is to either justify an insurrection, which is what most conservatives do, they don't realize it, or to deny that an insurrection could ever happen.

00:22:20.000 Or, if you're not aware of all the facts of what happened.

00:22:22.000 I think that Donald Trump and his cronies had a very coherent plan that they tried to enact from start to finish.

00:22:27.000 Thanks for having me.

00:22:48.000 And I want to make sure that we don't force this into like what they want to call a debate, debate where you got to wait to be called on or anything.

00:22:55.000 So if any of you guys, Glenn, you as well, man, if any of you guys want to jump in.

00:22:59.000 Yeah, two of them just went.

00:23:01.000 I want Glenn to go, but I just want to say something here.

00:23:04.000 I was there.

00:23:06.000 And I was investigated and subpoenaed.

00:23:08.000 By the Justice Department in at least five criminal investigations, and I was forced to testify in front of the Jan 6th Committee, which they've now been destroying their records because the records show the opposite of what they said.

00:23:18.000 Trump and all of us had a stage rented by the Supreme Court.

00:23:22.000 He was supposed to have another rally there.

00:23:24.000 We showed up.

00:23:25.000 Before Trump ever finished his speech, people were getting tear-gassed and hit by bullets, and there were a bunch of provocateurs leading an attack against the police, and they broke through.

00:23:34.000 And then this million-plus people then got blamed as insurrectionists, and Biden gave a big speech yesterday saying they're all terrorists.

00:23:40.000 So, by that extension, Kamala Harris, as the VP candidate, was bailing people out of jail that burned down police stations and firebombed federal buildings. 1.00

00:23:50.000 And the idea of Biden's speech yesterday, making his whole campaign about January 6th, saying political violence is never good.

00:23:57.000 The Democrats are the ones that call for political violence.

00:23:59.000 So I was there with a bullhorn, but I could only reach 100 yards out when the tear gas was hitting me, saying, don't go in, don't fight the police.

00:24:06.000 This is a setup.

00:24:07.000 And we have hundreds of videos.

00:24:09.000 And so regardless of what the left tries to do, they're all out there.

00:24:12.000 Of people taking off their Antifa stuff and putting on the Trump garb and the police fake arresting people, attacking them and then high-fiving them.

00:24:23.000 I mean, this has all come out in the new footage and it's all... Wait, fake arresting them?

00:24:27.000 How were they fake arresting them?

00:24:28.000 They would grab them and arrest them and then drag them in and then high-five them, you know, take the handcuffs off and high-five them.

00:24:32.000 Those videos, people are going to take everything I say, they're going to put it on X and show what I said.

00:24:37.000 That's where we dominate.

00:24:38.000 And so what I'm getting at here, let me just tell you this.

00:24:42.000 What I'm getting at here is, they now admit hundreds of federal officers were there.

00:24:46.000 So when Trump started his speech, this whole thing began with Ray Epps saying, go into the Capitol.

00:24:51.000 He told the Jan 6th committee, yeah, it's true.

00:24:54.000 It's in his text messages.

00:24:54.000 He told family, I orchestrated it.

00:24:57.000 So under pressure, they finally adopted him, but only recommend six months.

00:25:01.000 A few hundred people got manipulated into fighting the police.

00:25:04.000 They were led and driven by provocateurs and other groups.

00:25:07.000 They were others, then they opened the doors and the police wave them in in hundreds of videos.

00:25:11.000 They walk between the velvet robes and then they indict over a thousand people that just walked through velvet robes.

00:25:17.000 And then now we're told in the National Security Directive of President Biden, the number one threat is the American people.

00:25:23.000 And he had a declaration of war yesterday against all Trump supporters and says to protect democracy, we're not going to let you vote for Trump.

00:25:30.000 So as Stalin said, I care not who cast the votes.

00:25:33.000 I care who counts them.

00:25:34.000 Well, Biden doesn't care who cast the votes.

00:25:36.000 He cares who's allowed on the ballot.

00:25:38.000 So we've already won.

00:25:40.000 No one's buying this.

00:25:42.000 And when this happened three years ago, the Wall Street Journal had a print of retraction, but they said I was there

00:25:48.000 When boomers quote Stalin or like Hitler or Pol Pot, they feel so powerful. 0.84

00:25:54.000 They think that goes so hard.

00:25:55.000 I don't know in 2023 who thinks it goes hard to say, well as Joseph Stalin said, as Pol Pot said, as Joseph Stalin said, one death is a tragedy. 0.65

00:26:07.000 You know, this Mao took the guns thing, it's just gotta die.

00:26:10.000 Like, you know, most of the people watching my stream right now were born in the 21st century. 0.99

00:26:15.000 So the stuff about, like, you know, well, a dictator set in the 30s... Coward! 0.97

00:26:19.000 Telling people to attack! 0.97

00:26:20.000 Doesn't mean a thing.

00:26:20.000 Well, no, they wouldn't let me put... Yeah, we were born 30 years after we did start the fire.

00:26:24.000 20, 30 years after the Billy Joel song.

00:26:28.000 So this 20th century, this early, mid-20th century stuff doesn't really... Video on Twitter...

00:26:34.000 Before I was saying, don't go in.

00:26:35.000 But the truth is, it's coming out.

00:26:38.000 And so that's the bottom line here.

00:26:41.000 And this attempt by Biden to cast the American people as the enemy in all these movies about martial law and civil war and race war.

00:26:49.000 That's their only hope.

00:26:51.000 Because the corrupt, evil Democratic Party, and its evil twin, the Republicans, they've lost power and populism is rising. 0.96

00:27:00.000 Quite frankly, 0.97

00:27:01.000 This was not an insurrection.

00:27:02.000 It was an insurrection that would have been guns.

00:27:04.000 And it's in the Declaration of Independence that it's our right and duty to get rid of a government that's destructive of what the people want.

00:27:11.000 But I'm not calling for violence.

00:27:12.000 We're winning this politically, but we're being cast as about to be violent in the next 10 months because all these indictments and all these attacks to not let Americans vote for who they want aren't working and are backfiring.

00:27:23.000 And all the big Democrat lawyers now admit it.

00:27:26.000 Axelrod admits it.

00:27:27.000 Carville admits it.

00:27:29.000 They all admit this attempt, like we're in Venezuela or something, to take Trump off the ballot when he's never been convicted of insurrection.

00:27:36.000 This is a military tribunal U.S.

00:27:38.000 code from the Civil War.

00:27:40.000 If a military tribunal found you were guilty of being involved in insurrection, that meant after the war ended... Can I ask you a question?

00:27:48.000 Alex, can I ask you a question?

00:27:50.000 Yeah.

00:27:50.000 So, do you think the Confederates during the Civil War were taking an insurrection?

00:27:58.000 I mean, in retrospect, because I wasn't alive then, I think the South got manipulated into that.

00:28:04.000 I thought there was real issues from the North and South.

00:28:06.000 The abolitionists, you know, had a good point, and slavery needed to end.

00:28:10.000 But it was really about the North and South.

00:28:12.000 So just to be clear, the person that's defending the J6 rioters won't say that the Confederate states were engaged in insurrection?

00:28:18.000 No, that's not what I said.

00:28:20.000 See, here's what happened.

00:28:23.000 Hold on, that's not true.

00:28:25.000 So it sounded like you said, we didn't correct the record.

00:28:27.000 So do you think they were engaged in an insurrection?

00:28:28.000 I was trying to talk.

00:28:30.000 And the thing I said was, I think the South was wrong.

00:28:33.000 And then you just said...

00:28:36.000 You just said that I support what the South did.

00:28:39.000 No.

00:28:39.000 I didn't say you supported that.

00:28:40.000 I said that you said that they weren't engaged in an insurrection.

00:28:42.000 Do you think the Confederate States were engaged in an insurrection?

00:28:44.000 The Insurrection Act was that because there were rebellions during Reconstruction at the end of the Civil War, and they were saying if you lead an uprising against the Northern occupation of the South, you're precluded from running from office because they were worried about Southerners getting office again, like Jefferson.

00:29:00.000 So no, I do not support the Civil War or slavery, and I'm not a quote, confederate.

00:29:05.000 My question is, was it an insurrection, yes or no?

00:29:13.000 The law, yes.

00:29:14.000 What?

00:29:15.000 I think that it was a civil war.

00:29:16.000 You could say an insurrection.

00:29:17.000 Okay, so it was an insurrection.

00:29:18.000 Did anybody get charged with insurrection or rebellion?

00:29:22.000 What I'm saying is... Violating a statute.

00:29:23.000 Did anybody get charged?

00:29:24.000 You're not listening.

00:29:24.000 No, I'm asking, you just said it was an insurrection.

00:29:26.000 Did anybody get charged with violating the insurrection and rebellion statute?

00:29:31.000 Yes, people did.

00:29:31.000 No, because there was no statute there.

00:29:34.000 That's my point.

00:29:36.000 You don't need to violate that statute in order to be partaking in an insurrection because the Civil War was an insurrection and nobody got charged with violating that.

00:29:45.000 No, that's what I'm saying.

00:29:47.000 That's my point, Alex.

00:29:48.000 You're changing the subject because you know I'm correct.

00:29:51.000 Democratic Party lawyers on CNN say you have to be convicted under the 14th Amendment of this before you can be.

00:29:59.000 You can't, you can't just because... You don't get convicted under the 14th Amendment.

00:30:02.000 You get convicted under Section 2383 of Title 18.

00:30:05.000 Let's slow down a little.

00:30:06.000 Let's slow down a little.

00:30:07.000 This guy, like... You know, I feel like we've all kind of seen the limitations of

00:30:31.000 Infowars and Alex Jones, you can't bring this guy on a serious debate.

00:30:35.000 Like, I think that's clear.

00:30:37.000 How many minutes in are we?

00:30:39.000 You know, I think we started one... So, I mean, we're ten minutes in, and it's already a monologue, it's already totally derailed, and obviously I'm on his side on this debate.

00:30:51.000 I mean, I'm obviously on the side of Jones, Beattie, and Greenwald, but this is just terrible.

00:30:56.000 Like,

00:30:58.000 And it's unfortunate because the Krasensteins are the only ones making a point.

00:31:03.000 The question is, was January 6th an insurrection?

00:31:09.000 And they ask him a simple question.

00:31:10.000 Was the Civil War an insurrection?

00:31:12.000 That's actually a good basis.

00:31:13.000 That's a good place to start.

00:31:16.000 The answer to that should be yes.

00:31:18.000 It's actually, it's not a trick question.

00:31:20.000 It's not a gotcha.

00:31:21.000 Yeah, sure.

00:31:23.000 And he says, well, no one in the Civil War was charged in the insurrection statute.

00:31:28.000 You know, okay, that's a fair contribution to what we consider an insurrection, but not...

00:31:33.000 I mean, it's just totally off the rails.

00:31:35.000 It's 10 minutes in.

00:31:58.000 One second, one second.

00:31:59.000 We need to define the difference between the casual term insurrection and the legal definition of insurrection.

00:32:04.000 Yes.

00:32:05.000 Well, there's another thing we need to talk about.

00:32:07.000 So, yes, there's the casual term, there's the etymology of the term insurrection, which simply suggests a rising up.

00:32:15.000 So by that definition, that could encompass a wide range of things.

00:32:20.000 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:32:21.000 So there's a rising up.

00:32:23.000 Then there's the legal definition, but we have politically weaponized court systems, so that's not even, I think, a proper standard.

00:32:31.000 I think the proper standard is the sweep of a proper historical perspective.

00:32:38.000 Does the event of January 6th compare to the antecedent that we've been discussing, the Civil War?

00:32:47.000 So if the question is, oh, is Civil War an insurrection?

00:32:50.000 My question is,

00:32:52.000 Is the scope and scale of the event of January 6th comparable to the Civil War? 0.89

00:32:57.000 Because Joe Biden has directly made this comparison, which I think is flatly ridiculous.

00:33:02.000 And that comparison has to be valid in order for these ridiculous Section 3 arguments to have any force or legitimacy. 0.80

00:33:11.000 I think any common sense- It's a lie on its face. 0.97

00:33:13.000 It's a lie- I'm gonna shut up. 0.95

00:33:15.000 It's a lie on its face.

00:33:16.000 They say it's bigger than Pearl Harbor and 9-11.

00:33:18.000 That is bull- He's just making it on- I like-

00:33:22.000 It's unwatchable.

00:33:23.000 We're ten minutes in, it's like completely unwatchable.

00:33:26.000 His presence here is totally unnecessary.

00:33:32.000 He's making our side look bad. 0.93

00:33:34.000 He's obnoxious.

00:33:37.000 One's in the chat if this debate would be a thousand percent better if he wasn't here.

00:33:42.000 One's in the chat.

00:33:43.000 Two's in the chat if he makes it better.

00:33:44.000 If he makes it, somehow, if he improves the debate.

00:33:47.000 Because this is brutal, man.

00:33:53.000 I don't even know how long this thing is, like two plus hours?

00:33:57.000 Sheesh.

00:33:58.000 Okay, so here, let me finish what my point is.

00:34:01.000 Yeah, do that and then I want to go to Glenn for a second after you do that.

00:34:03.000 So my point is that, two things.

00:34:06.000 The Civil War was an insurrection.

00:34:07.000 I think it's hard to argue that.

00:34:09.000 Nobody got charged with a crime of violating the Insurrection Rebellion Statute 2383.

00:34:16.000 What about 1992, the L.A.

00:34:19.000 riots?

00:34:19.000 George Herbert Walker Bush, he invoked the Insurrection Act.

00:34:25.000 12,000 people were arrested.

00:34:26.000 63 people were killed.

00:34:28.000 Hundreds were injured.

00:34:30.000 Was that an insurrection?

00:34:31.000 What do you guys think?

00:34:33.000 It's a declaration of federal martial law.

00:34:35.000 But was it an insurrection?

00:34:36.000 Because nobody there was charged with violating...

00:34:40.000 Nobody there was charged with violating Section 2383, the Insurrection and Rebellion Statute.

00:34:45.000 But we still consider that an insurrection, right?

00:34:47.000 I mean, by that yardstick, Kamala Harris bailing out people that firebombed federal buildings. 0.65

00:34:51.000 That is not true.

00:34:52.000 Glenn, talk to me.

00:34:53.000 You have something to say.

00:34:55.000 Yeah, I actually think what Destiny and what Ed are saying are very important.

00:34:59.000 First of all, I was going to say that I think one of the problems with how these things are debated is that a lot of people these days have very binary prisms for understanding things.

00:35:07.000 A lot of that comes from YouTube debate, where you have to declare yourself on one side or the other.

00:35:10.000 So Destiny said, oh, everybody either hates this insurrection, thinks it's an insurrection, or they deny it happens, or they think it's good.

00:35:19.000 And there's so much middle ground, namely that, for me,

00:35:22.000 This was a political protest that spilled over into a riot where a small minority of the people engaged in violence.

00:35:29.000 I don't think we want to urge that to happen.

00:35:32.000 We don't want to defend that.

00:35:33.000 I consider that lamentable.

00:35:35.000 But the fact that it's laughable to call this an insurrection is actually demonstrated by the examples that they're using.

00:35:41.000 This was a three-hour riot that was extremely easily subdued.

00:35:46.000 It doesn't remotely compare to any prior insurrections, let alone to the Civil War.

00:35:52.000 The only people who were killed on January 6th were four people, all four of whom were Trump supporters, two of whom dropped out of a heart attack and one from a speed overdose, because these were not exactly a well-trained militia.

00:36:06.000 And when Jack Smith went to charge Donald Trump with multiple crimes, he had a lot of options to charge him with, and he charged him with a lot of crimes, including very dubious ones.

00:36:15.000 He did not charge him with inciting an insurrection for reasons that I think we ought to ask ourselves why.

00:36:22.000 But the fact that this is such a minor event in history is demonstrated by the fact that the media, who needed this to be a major event, immediately started lying about what happened, saying that Brian Sicknick

00:36:34.000 I don't know.

00:36:49.000 Supposedly perpetrating the insurrection, killed anybody, pulled out a gun, let alone discharged a weapon, all of which is true. 1.00

00:36:57.000 It's a joke to call this an insurrection.

00:36:59.000 At best, it's a riot.

00:37:00.000 And that's the reason why Trump hasn't been charged with an insurrection.

00:37:04.000 The only time he ever commented on January 6th about whether he thought there should be violence or not was when he said the following.

00:37:11.000 He said,

00:37:13.000 I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

00:37:20.000 He urged them to be peaceful in how they went there.

00:37:23.000 To the extent there was violence, I think you can make the argument that the FBI informants, that even the New York Times admits were there, were the ones that urged it.

00:37:30.000 But even if the people who were there were the ones responsible, at best this is a riot.

00:37:35.000 You could so easily make the case that the 2020 riots

00:37:39.000 I feel like there's a lot that isn't being said in the debate and that's namely what he's talking about the difference between a riot and an insurrection is the the level of conspiracy or on the inverse the degree of spontaneity

00:38:01.000 And I feel like that's really all you need to say, is if there's a conspiracy to overthrow the government, or if there's a level of... if they're armed, you can say that that's more comparable to an insurrection.

00:38:15.000 You could say that if it's spontaneous, and if there's evidence that it's spontaneous, then that would suggest it was a protest that escalated to a riot.

00:38:25.000 And you can determine that by, when you look at what happened on January 6th,

00:38:32.000 Reasonably figuring out what the motivation was.

00:38:36.000 And if the motivation was to overthrow the government, then probably there would be coordination, planning, and arms.

00:38:43.000 If there weren't those things, it would suggest that it was spontaneous, which would suggest that it was not a plan to overthrow the government or to rebel against the government, but it was ad hoc violence.

00:38:57.000 It was spontaneous violence.

00:38:58.000 Spontaneous, limited,

00:39:01.000 And sort of off-the-cuff violence.

00:39:07.000 It's not like it was something that was premeditated.

00:39:09.000 I think that's the key distinction.

00:39:11.000 Everything else is noise.

00:39:13.000 Whether they were charged for insurrection, I suppose that's useful.

00:39:17.000 Comparing it to BLM, I think it's not really necessary.

00:39:20.000 I don't think it really follows.

00:39:23.000 Because, of course, the BLM riots are more comparable to January 6th than either of them are to the Civil War.

00:39:31.000 And, moreover, the reason why the BLM protests don't constitute an insurrection is because they didn't take place at the United States Capitol building.

00:39:41.000 That's kind of the key operative distinction, is the January 6th protest happened at the seat of the sovereign.

00:39:50.000 It happened at the seat of the government.

00:39:53.000 When BLM blew up in, uh, Minneapolis?

00:39:59.000 And in Chicago, obviously that's not the same thing.

00:40:03.000 And if you argue that BLM was an insurrection, you'd have to argue that January 6th was an insurrection.

00:40:08.000 Because similarly, BLM was spontaneous.

00:40:12.000 BLM typically did not involve arms.

00:40:15.000 I know there were improvised explosives and things like that.

00:40:18.000 But again, the goal of BLM was not to overthrow the government.

00:40:20.000 It was a riot.

00:40:21.000 It was demonstrations with limited, spontaneous, ad hoc violence.

00:40:27.000 Similar, you know, wider in scope and longer in duration and more intense in violence.

00:40:33.000 But certainly comparable to January 6th with those characteristics.

00:40:37.000 And I think that's the distinction between... And it helps to lay out the term.

00:40:41.000 Is it a riot?

00:40:41.000 Is it an insurrection?

00:40:43.000 What's the difference?

00:40:44.000 I think it's the degree to which it's spontaneous and what the goal is.

00:40:50.000 And we can determine the goal, again, by analyzing, you know,

00:40:55.000 If the goal was to overthrow the government, what might that look like?

00:40:59.000 And that's not what January 6th was.

00:41:01.000 So, I feel like we've heard from Alex, Darren, and Glenn, and there's a lot of these tangential arguments, which are really, I think, rhetorical arguments that conservatives have been making.

00:41:11.000 Rhetorical arguments about how the left compares it to 9-11.

00:41:15.000 Rhetorical arguments about how

00:41:17.000 If January 6th was an insurrection, then BLM was an insurrection.

00:41:21.000 To me, none of that is actually helpful.

00:41:23.000 I don't think any of that actually relates.

00:41:25.000 I think that's rhetoric.

00:41:26.000 I think that, you know, that frames the broader conversation.

00:41:30.000 I think it puts it in perspective, but I don't think that gets to the heart of the issue, so...

00:41:34.000 I don't think anything that's been said is really super helpful.

00:41:50.000 And then we marched down there to have another rally, and then I see this terrible thing happening.

00:41:55.000 It was medieval.

00:41:56.000 And then Biden's saying, they're all bad, and we can't let you vote for Trump.

00:42:01.000 I mean, come on, man.

00:42:03.000 We have a clip from Biden's speech I want to play.

00:42:06.000 And then let's get back to you, Destiny.

00:42:07.000 You had something to say.

00:42:08.000 But if you guys have this, it's clip number four, Biden's speech.

00:42:12.000 This is from yesterday's.

00:42:13.000 It's only 50 seconds, but let's load this up.

00:42:16.000 Trump's mob wasn't a peaceful protest.

00:42:20.000 It was a violent assault.

00:42:22.000 They were insurrectionists, not patriots.

00:42:25.000 They weren't there to uphold the Constitution.

00:42:28.000 They were there to destroy the Constitution.

00:42:32.000 Trump won't do what an American president must do.

00:42:36.000 He refuses to denounce political violence.

00:42:41.000 So hear me clearly.

00:42:42.000 I'll say what Donald Trump won't.

00:42:44.000 Political violence is never, ever acceptable in the United States political system.

00:42:49.000 Never, never, never.

00:42:51.000 It has no place in a democracy.

00:42:53.000 None.

00:42:57.000 You can't be pro-insurrectionist and pro-American.

00:43:02.000 Trump and his MAGA supporters not only embrace political violence, but they laugh about it.

00:43:07.000 The insurrection is the open border.

00:43:08.000 So the insurrection was not just the three-hour riot that happened at the White House afterwards.

00:43:12.000 I think that's the least charitable reading of everything that happened.

00:43:15.000 And that's not, if you read any of the charges that either Jack Smith or the Georgia-Rico case has alleged against Trump, are saying that, in fact, not much of the focus is on the three-hour riot at all.

00:43:25.000 Hold on, Alex.

00:43:25.000 Let Stephen finish his thought first.

00:43:29.000 So not much of those indictments are actually focusing on the three hour riot itself.

00:43:33.000 The unprecedented act that there is no answer for, that Kamala Harris or Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton have not engaged in, is using knowingly false election claims for months to try to pressure state electors to change their vote.

00:43:47.000 And then when they wouldn't do that, beg them to elect different electors.

00:43:50.000 And then when they wouldn't do that, create a plot to create fake electors.

00:43:55.000 And then when Pence wouldn't accept that, try to capitalize on that final three-hour riot at the Capitol building to also make phone calls and tell people to decertify their vote or to switch their election.

00:44:05.000 JFK and Obama had alternate electors.

00:44:08.000 No, they didn't.

00:44:10.000 No, they didn't.

00:44:10.000 I can explain that if you want.

00:44:12.000 Yeah, please do.

00:44:12.000 So in 1960, JFK and Nixon.

00:44:21.000 There was a dispute because there was a recount.

00:44:24.000 I think JFK ended up winning by like 150 votes.

00:44:28.000 At the time, each state decided, or the state decided to certify two sets of electors.

00:44:34.000 They didn't certify them.

00:44:35.000 Decided to choose two different slates of electors.

00:44:39.000 Depending on how it went.

00:44:40.000 But they were certified by the states.

00:44:42.000 They were in the middle of a recount.

00:44:43.000 They were in the middle of a recount.

00:44:45.000 None of them were certified yet. 0.64

00:44:47.000 What happened with Trump was that Trump tried to get the states to certify a second slate of electors based off of conspiracy theory crap that Electrum has stolen.

00:45:03.000 They did.

00:45:04.000 He took it to court.

00:45:05.000 62 cases.

00:45:05.000 That's not true.

00:45:07.000 30 cases were looked at on merit.

00:45:09.000 So are they taking him off the ballot now?

00:45:12.000 That's a separate thing.

00:45:12.000 Taking him off the ballot is a separate thing.

00:45:15.000 Is the not purest form of election theft is taking him off the ballot.

00:45:19.000 Alex, let's get back to the 1960s.

00:45:21.000 He just has no self-control.

00:45:24.000 So what happened was that they did a recount.

00:45:28.000 And Kennedy ended up winning by, I think, 150 votes.

00:45:31.000 And they chose the Kennedy electors.

00:45:33.000 They certified the Kennedy electors.

00:45:35.000 And Kennedy ended up winning that state.

00:45:37.000 That's what Trump said!

00:45:39.000 What Trump did was Trump tried to get the states to certify an alternate slate of electors.

00:45:45.000 They refused because the court said there's no, no, they're there.

00:45:50.000 And then when that didn't go through, Trump decided you get his own slate of electors above the states that were not certified and tried to use that to force Mike Pence to say that Joe Biden didn't win these electoral votes.

00:46:07.000 If we want to be precise in terms of the scope of the debate, I think it's about January 6th, and so the lead up to it might be relevant to some of the criminal indictments, but it's technically speaking outside the scope of the January 6th discussion.

00:46:22.000 If we're going to bring it into the discussion, I think there's an operative word there, knowingly.

00:46:28.000 And that's operative within the context of the charging documents, but the idea that

00:46:35.000 Trump thought that he lost the election and he was knowingly lying and knowingly engaging.

00:46:43.000 No, he believes, I guarantee it, whether you believe it or not, Trump believes that the election was stolen and he was using the legal recourses available to him at the advice of his legal advisors.

00:46:58.000 That is not true.

00:47:00.000 Most of his legal advisors said that this idea was crazy.

00:47:13.000 What is wrong with him?

00:47:14.000 Like, honestly, what is wrong with this person?

00:47:44.000 Like, he has, is it, does he think this is entertaining?

00:47:47.000 Does he have no self-control?

00:47:49.000 Is he, does he have some issue?

00:47:54.000 Every time it starts to get good, every time you actually start to get into an actual conversation, he's gotta butt in and completely derail the entire thing.

00:48:05.000 What's wrong with this person?

00:48:08.000 People are saying alcohol.

00:48:09.000 I mean, yeah, he is a drinker.

00:48:11.000 I mean, is it that?

00:48:13.000 I sanction countries that take people off 0.58

00:48:35.000 Because they make up a bunch of stuff, and he's not found guilty anywhere, but you guys just parroted over it.

00:48:39.000 You're like, two men... If you don't like the Constitution, that's your fault.

00:48:43.000 Alex, if you don't like the Constitution, that's on you.

00:48:45.000 Really, then why are you saying that Section 3 of Amendment 14 requires a conviction?

00:48:48.000 Alex, why did you say that Section 3 of Amendment 14 requires a conviction?

00:48:51.000 Can we put the text on stream?

00:48:53.000 I would love to do that, actually.

00:48:54.000 Put the text up.

00:48:55.000 It's on military tribunals, or they will have to find you guilty.

00:49:01.000 It's such a shame, because this would have been a good debate, but he's just ruining it.

00:49:04.000 It's not funny, and it's not charming, it's just obnoxious.

00:49:31.000 You know, some people are actually interested in the ideas, and some people are actually interested to hear this.

00:49:35.000 I mean, when I hear Darren and the others go back and forth, or Glenn even for that matter, you know, it's interesting actually to hear the arguments, but when this buffoon gets in the middle and just starts screaming, and, do you believe two men can have a baby?

00:49:51.000 What does that have to do with anything?

00:49:52.000 It doesn't enhance the debate, it subtracts from the debate.

00:49:58.000 So this is just painful.

00:50:00.000 What happens is when you gather together to debate a particular question, you're supposed to debate that particular question.

00:50:07.000 The particular question that we were presented with is we're going to debate January 6th and whether it was an insurrection.

00:50:13.000 Now, I don't blame Destiny.

00:50:15.000 And Ed, for not wanting to debate that, for wanting to debate a whole set of other issues about whether Trump acted improperly, whether he was naughty and the things he did after the election because there is no argument to make that what happened on January 6th rises to the level of insurrection and that's why an extremely aggressive prosecutor named Jack Smith

00:50:35.000 Decided not to charge Donald Trump with that crime because he knew there was no way that he could possibly bring a conviction against anybody let alone Donald Trump who told everybody to be peaceful when going to the Capitol.

00:50:47.000 I think so.

00:51:06.000 In the last three elections that Democrats lost, in 2000, 2004, and 2016, a very large number of Democrats believed and asserted that the election was stolen, that the election was stolen and was the byproduct of fraud, and the president was as a result illegitimate.

00:51:21.000 When I started writing about politics 2005,

00:51:24.000 The idea that George Bush was the real loser of the election, Al Gore won, was the view of every single liberal and Democrat that I knew.

00:51:30.000 In 2004, there were objections claiming that Karl Rove had interfered in the Ohio vote with the Diebold machines and cheated to make John Kerry lose and George Bush win.

00:51:41.000 And then in 2016, Hillary Clinton and the Democrats said that Donald Trump was the illegitimate winner, that Russia had helped him, and they tried to convince the Electoral College to abandon the certified results of the state.

00:51:53.000 Obviously, you go back to 1960, and a lot of historians believe that election was stolen.

00:51:59.000 So it's not like Donald Trump was the first person to ever wonder or believe that an election was stolen from him.

00:52:04.000 It's a very significant tradition in American political history.

00:52:07.000 If you know anything about politics before 2016,

00:52:10.000 And if Trump believed that the election was stolen, and while it's true, a lot of people in the Justice Department and a lot of people in the White House told him they didn't think it was.

00:52:17.000 He did have advisers and lawyers telling him that they think there was evidence of it.

00:52:23.000 Then the question is over, even on these other issues about whether or not Trump engaged in some conspiracy against the United States.

00:52:29.000 But the issue is, is January 6th an insurrection?

00:52:32.000 Well, that's right.

00:52:33.000 But Glenn, since they- Hold on, let's respond to Glenn.

00:52:36.000 These guys haven't talked to me, there's Professor B.

00:52:40.000 Hillary was in videos two days ago saying Trump's gonna steal this election. 1.00

00:52:44.000 So why are they allowed to say it?

00:52:46.000 It's free speech.

00:52:47.000 You don't get indicted for it.

00:52:48.000 Trump didn't get indicted for that.

00:52:50.000 Oh my god.

00:52:50.000 They indicted him and they put it in the charging thing in Georgia saying he has the election.

00:52:56.000 You're hoping people don't read the documents.

00:52:57.000 You can go read it.

00:52:58.000 It's a RICO case.

00:52:59.000 There's a bunch of behavior that is within a RICO case.

00:53:01.000 It's not even self-illegal.

00:53:02.000 That's the point of a RICO case.

00:53:04.000 Talk about the differences.

00:53:06.000 So Bush versus Gore, what happens?

00:53:09.000 The Supreme Court ruled and Gore conceded.

00:53:12.000 He stopped saying this election was stolen, he stopped saying I won.

00:53:15.000 That was the Supreme Court?

00:53:16.000 Yes.

00:53:17.000 Did Gore refuse to certify the vote?

00:53:18.000 I don't remember.

00:53:19.000 Did he do that?

00:53:19.000 The vote was certified.

00:53:20.000 Oh, he didn't have an alternative side of electors?

00:53:22.000 Exactly.

00:53:23.000 So after Trump wanted a Supreme Court hearing, Trump wanted the same thing!

00:53:27.000 62 cases were brought before judges.

00:53:31.000 And you said earlier none of them are based on evidence.

00:53:34.000 Six of them were based on standing.

00:53:37.000 Six.

00:53:37.000 Out of the sixty-two.

00:53:38.000 They wouldn't even hear it.

00:53:39.000 I saw it.

00:53:39.000 Do you know how many of them were Trump-appointed judges that made those rulings?

00:53:43.000 Seventeen.

00:53:44.000 So six of them...

00:53:47.000 Let me finish here.

00:53:48.000 Six of them were based on standing.

00:53:51.000 Four of those that were based on standing, the judge also analyzed the merits and said there was no evidence or insufficient evidence.

00:53:58.000 So only two of them, and that was Texas versus Pennsylvania and Gohmert versus Pence.

00:54:04.000 Do you know what those two cases were?

00:54:06.000 I know what the cases are.

00:54:07.000 No, I agree with you.

00:54:09.000 Biden says inflation is fine right now.

00:54:11.000 I agree with him.

00:54:12.000 Let me finish.

00:54:12.000 Texas tried suing

00:54:14.000 Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, several other states saying that the election was stolen.

00:54:19.000 And the judge said, no, Texas can't sue these other states.

00:54:23.000 Somebody in that state who was affected had to sue them.

00:54:27.000 Now, the other case was Gohmert v. Pence.

00:54:30.000 He challenged the Electoral Counts Act of 1807, saying that Pence could overturn the election.

00:54:37.000 I think that's wrong.

00:54:39.000 I agree with you.

00:54:40.000 I think that was a wrong legal theory.

00:54:42.000 No, no, I agree with you on that.

00:54:44.000 But what I'm saying is that if Biden's going to win so big, why can't Trump be on the ballot?

00:54:49.000 That's not up for Biden to decide.

00:54:50.000 That's up for the Supreme Court to decide.

00:54:51.000 Oh, no, Biden said he wants him off the ballot.

00:54:53.000 It doesn't matter what Biden says.

00:54:55.000 I get it.

00:54:56.000 Trump lost.

00:54:57.000 That's why he can't have his race car on the track.

00:55:00.000 Yeah, this horse is going to lose so it can't be in the race. 0.99

00:55:04.000 Bull crap! 0.98

00:55:05.000 Who do you think has the authority then to determine the interpretation of Amendment 14? 0.99

00:55:09.000 Man, I know the State Department.

00:55:10.000 Why can't you answer a single question?

00:55:11.000 Why not just answer one question?

00:55:13.000 I'm just asking a simple question.

00:55:14.000 Who is the authority ultimately to decide it?

00:55:17.000 The President has not... Even on CNN, you don't let me talk.

00:55:21.000 Even on CNN, the legal analysts say that you have to be convicted.

00:55:28.000 So, Destiny, you can sit there and have blue hair and be Trend Eagle, and make all these, like, the moon is made of cheese.

00:55:35.000 I'm Destiny.

00:55:35.000 Every American knows!

00:55:39.000 You don't lose your rights when you're not convicted!

00:55:42.000 He's not been convicted!

00:55:44.000 And here's the good news, it's backfiring.

00:55:47.000 We have the Declaration of Independence, and we can vote for who we want to.

00:55:51.000 No you can't!

00:55:52.000 You can't vote for people under 35! 1.00

00:55:53.000 You can't vote for non-citizens! 1.00

00:55:55.000 Can you?

00:55:56.000 Nobody stole an election, but you can't vote for who you want!

00:55:59.000 Nobody stole an election, but you can't vote for who you want!

00:56:03.000 Nobody stole an election, but you can't vote for who you want!

00:56:06.000 We just beat this into the ground.

00:56:08.000 Alex, I need you.

00:56:09.000 We just crushed this one into the ground, but I want to ask the question in a slightly different way.

00:56:12.000 Was this an attempted coup?

00:56:14.000 Do you guys think this was an attempted coup?

00:56:15.000 Of course it was.

00:56:16.000 Obviously it was.

00:56:17.000 The Hunter Biden laptop, the weaponization hearings, the censorship, that.

00:56:23.000 There's no Russian connection.

00:56:24.000 That's all this is.

00:56:25.000 mRNA vaccines.

00:56:26.000 Take your extra.

00:56:27.000 I want you to take all the shots.

00:56:29.000 Global warming.

00:56:29.000 How many shots do you have?

00:56:31.000 None yet.

00:56:31.000 You want to take some?

00:56:32.000 No, I'll be taking them all.

00:56:33.000 I just want you to answer one question about any of this.

00:56:35.000 I want to see you take them all and enjoy yourself.

00:56:37.000 We've been talking about the Democrats more than the Republicans on the January 6th debate.

00:56:41.000 Isn't that wild?

00:56:42.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:56:42.000 They now admit that the shot erases your immune system and doesn't protect you.

00:56:47.000 So you do that little one-liner out here.

00:56:48.000 I'm talking about COVID now.

00:56:49.000 I'm talking about COVID now or January 6th.

00:56:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:56:52.000 Let's stay back.

00:56:53.000 Alright, guys.

00:56:55.000 Back to topic.

00:56:55.000 Can I ask a question?

00:56:56.000 Brian has an answer.

00:56:59.000 Is it a coup?

00:57:00.000 That's the question.

00:57:01.000 I think it can be debated that it was a coup.

00:57:06.000 That whole segment was just painful.

00:57:10.000 So unnecessary.

00:57:12.000 Do you guys agree?

00:57:13.000 Do you think that it is entertaining or is it me?

00:57:16.000 Am I the one that is annoyed by this or are you annoyed by it as well?

00:57:22.000 I mean, I do think this debate is tedious.

00:57:24.000 Obviously, I don't like the other side, but to me, this is just beyond the pale.

00:57:31.000 The screaming, derailing, making it about everything other than the actual debate, it's just annoying.

00:57:40.000 And I don't know why he's doing it.

00:57:42.000 Is he doing that intentionally?

00:57:43.000 Does he think that's making it entertaining?

00:57:47.000 Or does he legitimately just lack self-control?

00:57:50.000 And if so, why?

00:57:52.000 Is it alcohol?

00:57:53.000 Is it a personality defect?

00:57:57.000 I've really been souring on him lately, and you know, and I've known Alex a long time, or I've interacted with him on a few occasions over the years, I should say.

00:58:07.000 And I've always said that I like him, I respect him and everything, but honestly, over the past three months, my opinion of him has really gone down.

00:58:17.000 Because he's just not in the world with us.

00:58:21.000 Like, it feels like he's not in the same universe as us.

00:58:24.000 Like, we're talking about the Israel-Gaza stuff.

00:58:29.000 It feels like you're not even talking to another lucid human being.

00:58:33.000 I don't even know what we're talking to.

00:58:35.000 And then you see this performance.

00:58:38.000 Not a serious guy, like, you know, and I'm sorry, I think he's a nice guy and everything, and he's been around for a long time, he's provided some good memories, but yikes, dude, get a grip.

00:58:49.000 An attempted coup, and a federal judge- The coup is flooding the border with aliens. 0.98

00:58:54.000 District Judge, U.S.

00:58:55.000 District Judge David Carter actually evaluated the Trump-Eastman scheme, and he said- Alright, we got some big news, I'm not interrupting you- No, no, no, no, no, not that yet.

00:59:06.000 Oh, but we had Glenn.

00:59:07.000 Glenn's going to speak after you.

00:59:08.000 I'm sorry, I'll shut up now.

00:59:10.000 So the federal judge, U.S.

00:59:12.000 District Judge David Carter, evaluated the Trump-Eastman scheme.

00:59:14.000 Another lawyer.

00:59:15.000 Which we can go into later.

00:59:17.000 But basically he said that it was, it was, quote, a coup in search of a legal theory.

00:59:23.000 This is a federal judge.

00:59:25.000 So a judge... We have a CIA coup over America.

00:59:28.000 Did the CIA kill Kennedy?

00:59:30.000 Judges aren't part of the CIA.

00:59:32.000 Are they?

00:59:33.000 I don't think so.

00:59:34.000 Is that a new theory of yours?

00:59:36.000 No, it's not a new theory of mine.

00:59:37.000 The whole thing is a big rotten... So they can find partisan... They found the Secretary of State of Maine took Trump off the ballot because she had one hearing in a YouTube video.

00:59:47.000 Are we ruled by this lady? 1.00

00:59:48.000 Can we not vote for who we want?

00:59:51.000 So one of the... He's saying that like everyone's gonna say, yeah, like, you're in a formal debate.

00:59:58.000 He's screaming it out like everyone's gonna go, amen, you know?

01:00:01.000 I guess defense is against it being a coup.

01:00:03.000 Oh wait, we've got Glenn.

01:00:04.000 Glenn speaking.

01:00:05.000 Go for it, man.

01:00:09.000 I actually want to ask a question that I would love to hear everybody's answer to, but before I do that, I just want to say about federal judges.

01:00:14.000 This year, in the last six months, four different federal judges, a district court judge and then an appellate court unanimously, found that the Biden administration gravely violated the First Amendment.

01:00:24.000 In fact, the greatest assault on free speech

01:00:27.000 That's not true.

01:00:28.000 That's not true.

01:00:28.000 That's a digital insurrection out of deep state!

01:00:56.000 Can I put a pin on something real quick?

01:00:58.000 I just want it to be noted.

01:00:59.000 Hold up.

01:00:59.000 Everybody hold up.

01:01:00.000 Glenn, please finish your point and then we're going to move on to the response.

01:01:05.000 The question that you asked Ian is, is this a coup?

01:01:08.000 If you look at how other coups are perpetrated, and I think a lot of this is that if you're an American and you have this very soft history, you don't know what a coup is, you think that like what CNN tells you a coup is a coup.

01:01:18.000 Usually the way coups work is the leader of the country, whoever is in charge of the military, orders the military to seize control of the levers of power.

01:01:27.000 Trump was the commander in chief on January 6th.

01:01:29.000 The military was duty bound to obey his orders.

01:01:32.000 They had a right to disobey if they were illegal, but

01:01:35.000 If this were a coup, why didn't Trump order the military to seize control of power and turn over the election process to him?

01:01:42.000 Why didn't he order the armed factions that form the law enforcement part of the military and the executive branch that serve under his command to do that as well?

01:01:51.000 That's what happens in a coup.

01:01:52.000 That didn't happen here because Trump wasn't trying to perpetrate a coup.

01:01:55.000 He wanted the Department of Defense to seize voting machines and the DOJ turned him down and told him- Well, the worst- That's not a coup, though.

01:02:04.000 Glenn is the only one making good points.

01:02:07.000 The arguments Glenn has made, he said that you have a very aggressive prosecutor from the DOJ who has charged Trump with dubious things, which is important because the DOJ has a very high conviction rate.

01:02:20.000 So they'll only charge you with something if they're confident that they can get a conviction, and a lot of the things I think stretch

01:02:27.000 We're good to go!

01:02:44.000 The top prosecutor, Jack Smith, is more aggressive than typically, and he didn't charge for insurrection.

01:02:51.000 Doesn't that suggest that it wouldn't fit that legal definition?

01:02:55.000 And therefore, doesn't that add to the way that it's not an insurrection outside of the legal definition?

01:03:02.000 And then the other argument is, if it was an attempt to overthrow the government, which Destiny sort of said, Destiny said the real insurrection was that, which I've never heard this one before,

01:03:12.000 January 6th was a stalling tactic so that Trump could call legislators to get them to switch their vote or something.

01:03:20.000 And Glenn said, okay, well, why didn't the military go in then?

01:03:24.000 Another valid question.

01:03:25.000 So, I mean, you know, I feel like Glenn and to a lesser extent Darren are the only ones making arguments here.

01:03:34.000 But it's unfortunate because the whole thing's getting kind of blown up all over the place.

01:03:38.000 See, why does he keep going back to that?

01:03:40.000 That has nothing to do with January 6th.

01:03:43.000 I love how he keeps looking at Darren for approval.

01:03:56.000 If you pay attention to this during the debate, whenever Alex says something, whenever he has an outburst, he always looks to Darren for approval or validation, and Darren's always looking away because he's mortified, because he's completely embarrassed.

01:04:10.000 So whenever Alex says something, he goes like, right Darren?

01:04:12.000 And Darren's just like, he's just like, can't even look at him because he's mortified by this.

01:04:18.000 Also, Biden doesn't have the authority to do that.

01:04:20.000 He still doesn't have the authority to do that.

01:04:23.000 The Supreme Court that Trump has his picks on, that's currently 6-3 conservative, they're the ones who are going to make the final decision on that.

01:04:29.000 I wanted to be known that every single time you try to talk about any of this stuff related to Trump, it's so many Democrat names that comes out of people's mouths.

01:04:35.000 I don't know why people can't just engage on the facts of what happened on and in the events leading up to June 6th in a direction without having to invoke every other Democratic leader's name.

01:04:44.000 Ah, no name calling.

01:04:45.000 No, his name's Ding Dong.

01:04:47.000 Ding Dong, Destin, whatever it is.

01:04:48.000 The point is, I was there! 0.98

01:04:51.000 There was a million, over a million people, and they said police were attacking, and we got there, like, shooting tear gas, and then a bunch of citizens all break through with some idiots that got mad at a brawl, and then the cops go, come on in! 0.98

01:05:01.000 Everybody, come on in! 0.88

01:05:03.000 And so there's all the, everybody sees those videos now.

01:05:06.000 You call this the new Pearl Harbor.

01:05:08.000 I take it all back.

01:05:10.000 3,000 people.

01:05:11.000 Do you disagree?

01:05:11.000 Let me ask you this.

01:05:13.000 Do you disagree

01:05:15.000 With them claiming this was worse than Pearl Harbor?

01:05:17.000 I take it all back.

01:05:18.000 Hey, ding-dong! 0.80

01:05:19.000 I was there!

01:05:20.000 I think it depends how you ask that question.

01:05:22.000 I would say no, it's not worse than Pearl Harbor or 9-11.

01:05:25.000 What are you basing on?

01:05:27.000 Are you basing... No, no, no, I get it, I get it.

01:05:29.000 Trying to take people's votes away is self-sacrificing, but you're trying to take people's votes from Trump.

01:05:34.000 Worse at what?

01:05:35.000 Unprecedented that a president of the United States would do everything within his power to prevent the peaceful transfer of power to the next president.

01:05:42.000 He said, I want you to peacefully march down to the Capitol.

01:05:44.000 That is a uniquely horrible event.

01:05:46.000 So horrible.

01:05:46.000 The march to the Capitol, what was bad was him watching the riot happen for three hours and doing nothing.

01:05:51.000 No, no, it took him, no, it was the riot was happening.

01:05:54.000 He spoke for an hour and a half.

01:05:55.000 It started then.

01:05:56.000 Then he got back to the White House, watched it like 30, 40 minutes, and then shot a video.

01:06:00.000 No, you're lying.

01:06:02.000 He got back to the White House.

01:06:03.000 He got Mark Meadows delivered a note on his desk that Ashley Babbitt had been shot and he sat there sipping Diet Coke for an hour and a half.

01:06:11.000 The guy that you called your leader, how many pardons did Trump do for the patriots that got unfairly charged with crimes?

01:06:18.000 Why didn't Donald Trump pardon any of those people?

01:06:22.000 Why didn't Donald Trump pardon any of those people?

01:06:25.000 There's not going to be an answer to this.

01:06:26.000 Because there's not.

01:06:27.000 You're scared to answer any questions.

01:06:28.000 Trump betrayed every single patriot that went down there.

01:06:30.000 He didn't pardon any of those people.

01:06:32.000 So you're there, Alex.

01:06:32.000 So tell me, were there weapons there?

01:06:47.000 No, nobody used weapons.

01:06:48.000 So are you telling me?

01:06:48.000 Yes, they're war weapons.

01:06:49.000 You know, you're right.

01:06:50.000 You got me.

01:06:50.000 He's gonna say the cops.

01:06:52.000 Yeah, they shot Ashley Babbitt, and they threw people off the balcony, and they beat a woman's brains out.

01:06:58.000 You're right.

01:06:59.000 They didn't beat the woman's brains out. 0.99

01:07:01.000 Oh no, nobody shot a woman?

01:07:02.000 Nobody beat a woman to death?

01:07:03.000 Nobody beat a woman on the ground.

01:07:04.000 That's a fake video that got put out.

01:07:05.000 It wasn't real.

01:07:06.000 Ashley Babbitt's fake, folks!

01:07:08.000 Wow!

01:07:08.000 I like how you would think that.

01:07:10.000 Years after the event, we're now getting unreleased footage like there were a thousand people sitting right around it.

01:07:14.000 There's a video of that event from five different angles without her getting beat by a baton.

01:07:19.000 How would that take years to report?

01:07:20.000 Oh my god.

01:07:20.000 Everybody on X. Kim's saying they didn't beat a woman to death.

01:07:24.000 Everybody watching, don't do it. 0.99

01:07:26.000 Yeah, yeah, let's... Oh, you just screwed yourself. 0.85

01:07:28.000 Alright, I got it. 1.00

01:07:29.000 I asked you about... Got your ass! 1.00

01:07:31.000 Woo! 1.00

01:07:33.000 Yeah! 1.00

01:07:34.000 Got his ass now, baby! 1.00

01:07:35.000 Ashley Babbitt! 1.00

01:07:36.000 Nobody died!

01:07:38.000 Old woman didn't get drugged in by the cops and beat by batons! 1.00

01:07:40.000 This is an Eagles-Cowboys game!

01:07:41.000 What is that about?

01:07:42.000 He wants to do little one-ups and just... So what Trump fans are, it's a sports game.

01:07:46.000 I hope the audience only goes off how much emotion there is.

01:07:48.000 I can top ya!

01:07:49.000 I can top ya!

01:07:49.000 Calm down, buddy.

01:07:50.000 Calm down.

01:07:51.000 Okay, so you said the weapons were the feds shooting Ashley Babbitt.

01:07:56.000 What about, um... How about the guy who... The three men on the corner of 14th and Independence who had AR-15s.

01:08:04.000 How about... Oh, they use those?

01:08:06.000 They didn't use them, but... Oh!

01:08:08.000 Oh! 0.60

01:08:08.000 Oh, oh, oh, oh, what about the pipe bomb? 0.60

01:08:11.000 I asked you a question... Who's that?

01:08:12.000 Alex, I asked you a question if people had weapons. 0.99

01:08:14.000 How about the... How many weapons were seized, like... Hey, I got a dick! 1.00

01:08:18.000 I got a dick, doesn't mean I'm raping people! 75... 1.00

01:08:23.000 75 of the people arrested within the Capitol building had weapons.

01:08:28.000 Let's, uh, we have a couple of clips.

01:08:29.000 Knives and stuff.

01:08:30.000 Oh, the weapons!

01:08:32.000 The names have weapons that disarm them immediately!

01:08:35.000 Guy Refit.

01:08:36.000 How about Guy Refit?

01:08:37.000 The, what is he, three percenter?

01:08:39.000 Or three percenter, right?

01:08:40.000 Does he have nuclear weapons like Biden saying we're gonna use them on Russia?

01:08:42.000 He had a handgun on the stairs of the Capitol building.

01:08:44.000 He had a handgun.

01:08:45.000 As, as he was encouraging people to... That's worse than Pearl Harbor.

01:08:49.000 As he was saying, telling people to go into the Capitol.

01:08:53.000 As he was saying, he wants to drag Nancy Pelosi out of the Capitol and hopes her head hits every stair on the way out.

01:08:58.000 Did he say, did he say, go into the Capitol like Rams?

01:09:00.000 Let me finish my point before you cut me off.

01:09:03.000 He wanted to drag Nancy Pelosi out and let her head hit every stair on the way out.

01:09:08.000 Keith, he said... Yeah, and I got pooped on Pelosi.

01:09:11.000 Let me finish, Alex.

01:09:11.000 Alex, let me finish my point.

01:09:12.000 Yeah, let Ed finish his point because we're going to go to Darren really quick.

01:09:15.000 He said on his way to the Capitol building that they're gonna take the Capitol and insert their own government.

01:09:22.000 And he had a handgun on the steps of the Capitol.

01:09:25.000 And you call it like Martians invading and blowing the earth up. 1.00

01:09:28.000 Like Glenn Greenwald said.

01:09:29.000 His intention wasn't an insurrection.

01:09:31.000 Are you saying his intention wasn't an insurrection?

01:09:33.000 He's saying he's gonna drag Nancy Pelosi out.

01:09:35.000 And he wasn't under Trump's command!

01:09:37.000 Trump didn't tell him.

01:09:39.000 Trump said go peacefully.

01:09:41.000 Yes, you can finish your point and then we're gonna go to Darren.

01:09:44.000 Can we use a mute button or something on Alex?

01:09:46.000 No, I'm not going to be run over.

01:09:47.000 So he was on his way to the Capitol building saying, we're going to take the Capitol and install our own government.

01:09:54.000 He had a handgun on the stairs of the Capitol saying he's going to drag Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell out.

01:10:03.000 But you don't have a problem with that.

01:10:04.000 That's not... He didn't use a gun!

01:10:05.000 What do you think, Darren?

01:10:06.000 Because he didn't use a gun because he didn't have the opportunity to shoot Nancy Pelosi or Mike Pence.

01:10:11.000 That's okay.

01:10:12.000 He didn't have access to that.

01:10:13.000 I didn't say it was okay.

01:10:13.000 Thankfully, the Capitol Police... Thankfully, the Capitol Police... What about the Q shaman?

01:10:18.000 What about the Q shaman they let in?

01:10:20.000 Alright, okay.

01:10:22.000 Oh my god, a guy had a gun!

01:10:23.000 Will you marshal law?

01:10:24.000 All the Americans are guilty! 1.00

01:10:26.000 You can't vote for Trump now, a guy had a gun!

01:10:28.000 I've been asked by Zero Hedge to moderate this debate, so that's what I'm gonna do.

01:10:31.000 Everyone quiet down, we're going to Darren Beatty.

01:10:33.000 Darren.

01:10:33.000 What's happening?

01:10:35.000 What's the question here? 0.90

01:10:37.000 Is this a freaking coup? 0.86

01:10:39.000 What do you think about what they've been saying as well? 0.96

01:10:40.000 No, I don't think it's a coup.

01:10:42.000 I forgot there was a moderator, honestly.

01:10:45.000 And then, uh... That was super cringe.

01:10:48.000 Very cringe reminder that there was a moderator.

01:10:53.000 It's just, like, one thing worse than the next.

01:10:56.000 I mean, that whole, like, last 15 minutes was just... basically didn't count.

01:11:00.000 And then... Can we replay the moderator jumping in?

01:11:04.000 That was brutal.

01:11:06.000 That was, like, that's part of a cringe compilation.

01:11:08.000 That's, like, second-hand embarrassment.

01:11:11.000 I've been asked by Zero Hedge to moderate this debate, so that's what I'm gonna do.

01:11:14.000 Everyone quiet down.

01:11:15.000 We're going to Darren Beatty.

01:11:16.000 Darren.

01:11:18.000 Ugh, yikes.

01:11:19.000 That was bad, bro.

01:11:22.000 That was rough.

01:11:23.000 The body language, not great either.

01:11:26.000 I forgot he was even there.

01:11:30.000 But yeah, isn't there a better system than to spurg out like that?

01:11:34.000 That was total spaz out.

01:11:36.000 This whole debate is embarrassing.

01:11:39.000 Honestly, if you're Zero Hedge, you gotta be figuring out how to rework this.

01:11:43.000 You can't have Alex there.

01:11:45.000 You gotta have somebody else moderate.

01:11:49.000 What are we doing?

01:11:50.000 It's honestly disappointing.

01:11:51.000 I thought this was going to be a good debate.

01:11:53.000 Well, I shouldn't say that.

01:11:55.000 I actually was kind of anticipating it would kind of be like this.

01:12:00.000 But I was anticipating it'd be better.

01:12:02.000 This is just painful.

01:12:03.000 It's a shame.

01:12:04.000 I love when there's like a good stream and you're really into it.

01:12:09.000 But this is one of those streams where it's just a headache to watch.

01:12:11.000 It's just like...

01:12:14.000 It annoys the viewer.

01:12:15.000 It's one thing if the people in the debate are annoyed or they're into it, but this is one of these debates where it's hard to watch.

01:12:22.000 I'm getting second-hand embarrassment, and I'm annoyed, and I'm watching it. 0.92

01:12:26.000 Is this a freaking coup? 0.79

01:12:28.000 What do you think about what they've been saying? 0.95

01:12:30.000 I don't think it's a coup.

01:12:32.000 Again, I think question of an insurrection, you can go to the etymology of rising up, that could be anything.

01:12:39.000 If we keep the proper perspective in mind, it doesn't elevate to anything resembling the Civil War, 9-11, or any of the crazy comparisons.

01:12:48.000 One guy with a gun isn't as big as the Civil War?

01:12:50.000 No.

01:12:50.000 They didn't use the gun?

01:12:54.000 So, there's that.

01:12:56.000 The scope, I think, matters, and that's what we're really getting at when we talk about insurrection.

01:13:01.000 The courts are politically weaponized, so I wouldn't even rest, you know, the legitimacy and the question on the determinations of the courts, which we can see are

01:13:11.000 Running away with pretty wild and ridiculous theories.

01:13:14.000 Weaponized. 0.75

01:13:15.000 Weaponized court systems.

01:13:16.000 So there's that.

01:13:18.000 And then, you know, these, you know, sure, there are random nutjobs who are around D.C.

01:13:22.000 on that day and any other day.

01:13:24.000 And I don't think...

01:13:26.000 That's relevant to the ultimate question of whether it was a coup, whether it was an insurrection.

01:13:30.000 And as I said before, the stuff about Trump and the legal theory behind his, you know, multiple part plan, that could be an interesting discussion.

01:13:42.000 It's technically outside the scope of the debate.

01:13:44.000 But again, I would reiterate anyone who knows Trump, anyone who knows people who knows Trump,

01:13:50.000 A hundred percent certainty.

01:13:52.000 Trump genuinely believes that the election was stolen.

01:13:56.000 He had multiple legal advisors.

01:13:58.000 Many of his advisors were trying to sabotage him from day one.

01:14:02.000 Just because he was advised by one of these snakes doesn't mean that he therefore agrees with what they say.

01:14:09.000 He agreed with the people who told him it was stolen and that he had legal recourse to address that, which he implemented.

01:14:17.000 There's nothing that rises to an insurrection or coup about that either, even though that's outside of the scope of our discussion for today.

01:14:25.000 So, uh, Cassidy Hutchinson, uh, said that Trump said to Mark Meadows, I don't want people to know we lost.

01:14:32.000 It's embarrassing.

01:14:33.000 I would, I'm glad that you mentioned her because this gets to the televised sham.

01:14:38.000 Well, she was under oath.

01:14:40.000 Who under oath for Trump said, well, she changed her story a bunch.

01:14:44.000 Yeah.

01:14:44.000 She was under oath.

01:14:45.000 So the thing here is that

01:14:49.000 Listen, so the thing here is that the January 6th committee called near 98% of their witnesses were Republicans.

01:15:01.000 These people were under oath Republicans and they testified.

01:15:05.000 The people who didn't testify within the Trump

01:15:10.000 There were dozens who, 5th Amendment, 5th Amendment, 5th Amendment, they refused to say a word.

01:15:16.000 So you're going to tell me that the people that testified under oath are the liars, but the people that said things in the public but failed to say anything under oath are the ones that are telling the truth.

01:15:31.000 I wasn't just there on January 6th.

01:15:33.000 I was in that congressional hearing and took the 5th 98 times.

01:15:36.000 And not because I need to hide.

01:15:38.000 The Fifth Amendment isn't just to incriminate yourself.

01:15:41.000 It's because they wanted me in a perjury trap and they were going to have witnesses claim something wasn't true.

01:15:46.000 You think I think attacking the Capitol makes us win an election?

01:15:49.000 Yeah, witnesses against their testimony versus you can't get you in perjury.

01:15:54.000 They can't.

01:15:54.000 Oh yeah, just ask Roger Stone that question.

01:15:56.000 No, it doesn't happen that way.

01:15:57.000 How did Roger Stone, how did perjury get Roger Stone that way?

01:16:00.000 Roger Stone wasn't involved in WikiLeaks.

01:16:02.000 He worked here then.

01:16:04.000 He couldn't get a hold of him.

01:16:05.000 I knew he told the truth.

01:16:06.000 He didn't tell anybody, I'm behind the WikiLeaks.

01:16:08.000 They said Roger Stone ran WikiLeaks.

01:16:10.000 He never even talked to Julian Assange.

01:16:12.000 Just say he ran WikiLeaks.

01:16:13.000 The January 6 hearings were a show trial of the sort that would make

01:16:38.000 Kim Jong-il Lush.

01:17:08.000 I think a lot of people watching don't understand.

01:17:10.000 Hey guys, guys, Alex.

01:17:12.000 Does that matter?

01:17:13.000 The people that are listening don't have the context.

01:17:15.000 So if we start rapid fire argumentation, a lot of people are going to lose interest.

01:17:18.000 We need to stay focused and listen to each other.

01:17:20.000 It's really important.

01:17:23.000 It is really hard.

01:17:24.000 It is possible.

01:17:26.000 I'm going to go take a piss and I'll let you tell people fairy tales.

01:17:31.000 But what we're happening is Darren is going to continue what you were saying about finishing up your thought.

01:17:35.000 We're going to Glenn Greenwald.

01:17:37.000 Yeah, well, the thought was just about this Hutchinson.

01:17:40.000 She said a lot of things.

01:17:41.000 I believe she was the one who said that Trump reached over to the steering wheel and, you know, told the Secret Service this or that, which was a bizarre thing because the Secret Service agents in question weren't the ones that were called upon to testify.

01:17:55.000 Some of them testified the same thing that Cassidy Hutchinson said.

01:17:58.000 No, the Secret Service actually said we would love to testify and they weren't allowed to.

01:18:03.000 The two Secret Service agents in question, that specific anecdote, were not allowed to testify.

01:18:09.000 So why would they take the second-hand report from Hutchinson when they could have interrogated directly the people who would have been direct witnesses to that?

01:18:17.000 Well, Secret Service agents did testify and they felt corroborations were pouring out.

01:18:21.000 Not those two specific agents, but why not?

01:18:24.000 Other agents in the car with Trump testified for the J-Sex Committee.

01:18:28.000 I don't know why they would or wouldn't testify or have particular people testify, but other people in that car did.

01:18:34.000 No.

01:18:34.000 Yes, the two people.

01:18:35.000 Yeah, Glenn.

01:18:39.000 The January 6th committee, and that's what Alex was alluding to just a second ago, is one of the biggest shams in the history of Congress because what happened with the January 6th committee was we had a long history of 225 years of tradition in the United States Congress where whatever investigative commissions would be created within the Congress, the minority leader and the majority leader would each select the members of that committee to ensure there was fair representation by both parties.

01:19:04.000 Nancy Pelosi

01:19:06.000 For the first time in the history of the United States, a Speaker of the House refused to allow the Republicans who were chosen for that committee by Kevin McCarthy, at the time the Republican Minority Leader, to be seated on the panel.

01:19:21.000 And as a result, the Republicans said, we're going to have nothing to do with this.

01:19:24.000 And the only quote-unquote Republicans that were chosen

01:19:28.000 I think?

01:19:43.000 We're good.

01:20:03.000 I don't

01:20:20.000 You could make a much better case that the Black Lives Matter protest of 2020 was an insurrectionary movement. 0.93

01:20:26.000 The reason it matters, Destiny, is because if you're going to make arguments, there has to be an important task, which is do you apply the same principles you're claiming to profess and believe in?

01:20:35.000 If you want to talk about applying the same standard, would you have been okay in the year 2000 if Gore refused to certify the vote because he didn't like what was happening in Florida?

01:21:06.000 A lot of Democrats did want to do that.

01:21:07.000 Can you answer that question?

01:21:08.000 Glenn, answer the question.

01:21:11.000 Yes, a lot of Democrats were angry about that.

01:21:13.000 I'm asking if you would be okay, personally, if he refused to certify the vote.

01:21:18.000 I think there were two arguments.

01:21:20.000 You won't answer the question.

01:21:21.000 In 2016, would you have been okay?

01:21:22.000 I mean, it's just like another form of cringe.

01:21:24.000 Honestly, the debate got better without Alex.

01:21:27.000 If we removed Destiny, it would be better, too.

01:21:30.000 And they could just have the Krasensteins and Glenn Greenwald and Darren.

01:21:36.000 Thing is about Glenn, I think he's correct about the subcommittee and really the gist of that is that the entire process has been politicized.

01:21:48.000 So, we're looking to objective third parties or an objective process to determine if January 6th rises to the standard of insurrection, but the entire process has been politicized.

01:22:02.000 The entire process has a conflict of interest, like the subcommittee.

01:22:06.000 The subcommittee was partisan.

01:22:08.000 So you can't exactly appeal to the subcommittee and say, well, that's evidence because they're basically on the same side as the people debating.

01:22:15.000 When he says, though, that you have to bring in BLM and do you apply the same standard, to me that's sort of whataboutism.

01:22:24.000 It is, in my opinion, beyond the scope of the debate.

01:22:28.000 And you can say, you know, whether you think BLM is an insurrection or not, but talking about, you know, whether you apply the same standard, does that show it's partisan?

01:22:39.000 Then you wind up debating what BLM was.

01:22:43.000 So I think it can be a helpful comparison, but I don't think that that should be the crux of the debate.

01:22:48.000 I think you have to appeal to what is a standard.

01:22:51.000 What is the standard for insurrection?

01:22:54.000 And we still don't really have a definition.

01:22:56.000 I think Glenn is providing good counter arguments.

01:22:59.000 He's not providing, it doesn't seem, any real arguments.

01:23:04.000 In the way of, well, propositionally, in a positive sense, why is this not an insurrection?

01:23:11.000 What is the definition of an insurrection?

01:23:13.000 Why does the Capitol not count as that?

01:23:16.000 And we're not really hearing that.

01:23:17.000 We're saying, well, if it was an insurrection, why wouldn't Jack Smith charge him?

01:23:24.000 But again, that's only appealing to the statute.

01:23:26.000 And the debate is not just about whether the statute was violated, you know, or, well, the committee that claims it's an insurrection was partisan.

01:23:34.000 Okay, but, you know, when he gets more into the footage, I think he should get into the footage.

01:23:41.000 If it's an insurrection, why did the cops let him in?

01:23:43.000 Insurrections don't happen that way.

01:23:46.000 Wouldn't the police be hostile?

01:23:47.000 Wouldn't they be defending the building?

01:23:49.000 Why would they be letting them in? 1.00

01:23:52.000 And why would the people inside be peaceful?

01:23:54.000 If it was an insurrection, why would they be peaceful?

01:23:56.000 Why would they be walking inside the... To me, that is more getting to the crux of the issue than to make... To me, the comparison to BLM is kind of getting into the weeds, because that can... People can debate all day long about what BLM was or what the differences were, but it's important to define the standard and talk about what happened on the 6th.

01:24:16.000 So... Hey, would you... Hold on, Biden...

01:24:20.000 Because if you really believe that an election is stolen, as the Democrats claim they did, then it is kind of odd to say, we're just going to concede that and allow George Bush to march into power, even though we believe that he actually stole the election.

01:24:33.000 That is kind of an odd way to go about it.

01:24:36.000 It's not all that odd.

01:24:37.000 We live in a democracy.

01:24:38.000 There are appropriate forums through which you can challenge- Did they not battle that out in the courts, though?

01:24:42.000 And they lost.

01:24:43.000 Okay, there you go.

01:24:45.000 Trump was battling it out in the court.

01:24:47.000 And he lost.

01:24:48.000 Once you lose, anything past that is vigilantism.

01:24:51.000 Vigilantism, directed at the government to prevent the peaceful transfer of power to entrench your own power, is an attempted coup.

01:24:57.000 That's what he tried to do.

01:24:58.000 That's not what Trump did, though.

01:24:59.000 He told them to be peaceful.

01:25:00.000 He told them, go and be peaceful.

01:25:03.000 We're not talking about the peaceful protesters.

01:25:05.000 And if he wanted them to be peaceful, he would have called on the National Guard as soon as they started rioting, but he didn't do that.

01:25:10.000 We're talking about the legal process of the congressional and judicial process.

01:25:14.000 He went and tested.

01:25:17.000 If he had ordered the military or some other FBI or any of those agencies, the CIA, to go and use violence on domestic soil in order to ignore those court rulings the way people do when they're trying to implement coups, you would have a good argument.

01:25:30.000 He didn't do any of that.

01:25:31.000 He invoked all of his legal rights in the judiciary and in the Congress.

01:25:34.000 He lost and he walked out of the White House on January 20th.

01:25:37.000 He did not have to be dragged out.

01:25:39.000 He wasn't arrested by the military, which is what happens in coups.

01:25:42.000 So much of this is because you only started paying attention to politics in 2016.

01:25:46.000 You only live in the United States.

01:25:47.000 You have no idea about history or anything that happens in other countries.

01:25:50.000 You have no idea what a coup is.

01:25:52.000 This is a coup.

01:25:53.000 Glenn, you bring that up.

01:25:54.000 Glenn, you bring that up and you're trying to use Hawaii as an example for something that was comparable, where both slates of electors were actually duly elected by the people there in the 60s.

01:26:04.000 Hawaii and South Carolina, these other historical examples that people go to from multiple states of electors, are not at all comparable.

01:26:09.000 Both of these things happened prior to 2016.

01:26:10.000 I love that out of left field.

01:26:14.000 That's a problem with Destiny is, if I were to write on paper what just happened logically, which would be tedious and I'm not going to do, it wouldn't make any sense.

01:26:25.000 Destiny says, okay, if you think that Donald Trump was within his rights to challenge the election or to refuse the results, then would you accept if Al Gore did that in the year 2000?

01:26:39.000 And they basically said, yes.

01:26:43.000 If Al Gore challenged the results in the manner that Trump did, which is invoking his legal rights, then yes, we would support it.

01:26:51.000 And then Glenn says, you know, and Destiny says, well, okay, but Al Gore lost the suit and left office.

01:26:58.000 And they're saying, well, yeah, that's what Trump did as well.

01:27:01.000 We're talking about Trump's actions.

01:27:02.000 Trump pursued the legal recourse as Al Gore did.

01:27:06.000 Trump exploited all of his options.

01:27:10.000 And then they say, well, you know, what you're talking about happening outside the legal process would be something like getting the military involved, getting the intelligence agencies involved, which Trump didn't do.

01:27:21.000 Everything that Trump did was legal.

01:27:23.000 Everything that Trump did was constitutional.

01:27:25.000 We're not talking about the people inside the Capitol.

01:27:29.000 We're talking about what Trump and his team did, which was all, you know, taking it to the Supreme Court or calling for the election to be decertified or whatever.

01:27:38.000 And then Destiny out of right field, well, what about Hawaii?

01:27:41.000 What?

01:27:42.000 What about Hawaii, an alternative slate of electors?

01:27:44.000 What does that have to do with any of this?

01:27:48.000 So it's always just, what about, what about, what about?

01:27:52.000 So, you know, you think Trump had a legal pretext.

01:27:56.000 What about Al Gore?

01:27:57.000 Oh, well, what about Hawaii?

01:27:58.000 Well, what about this?

01:27:59.000 What about that?

01:28:02.000 Stick to the point.

01:28:03.000 What did Trump do that was illegal?

01:28:06.000 If Trump said they should go peacefully, then how is he responsible for the violence that happened at the Capitol?

01:28:12.000 Whether you even believe, and by the way, whether what happened at the Capitol was an insurrection or not, Trump's culpability is a completely other matter.

01:28:21.000 Because one could argue that what the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers were doing constituted an insurrection.

01:28:27.000 One could argue that to the extent that there was violence, or there was coordination or conspiracy, that, you know, maybe some people planned on an insurrection.

01:28:37.000 I don't believe that one could argue that.

01:28:39.000 That is a separate question from Trump's culpability.

01:28:43.000 If Trump told everybody to march there peacefully and had no contact with the militias,

01:28:49.000 Then that cannot be considered part of his redress.

01:28:52.000 His redress...

01:28:54.000 ...was the court cases, his redress was the Supreme Court cases, his redress were the various senators that refused to vote to certify, or, you know, to the extent he was involved, various protests, calling for the various state legislatures to appoint different slates of electors, which is all legal.

01:29:12.000 You may not agree with the basis of it, but all of that is legal, and when all of those options failed, as Glenn said, he left office.

01:29:21.000 He didn't use the military, he didn't have to be dragged out, he wasn't arrested,

01:29:25.000 So, in that sense, yes, Al Gore challenged it in the courts, Hillary Clinton called for a recount, and Trump, I mean, he exploited more options, but everything that he did was within the parameters of the Constitution and the law, so they are comparable.

01:29:39.000 And for him to say, oh, well, you know, what about what happened at the Capitol?

01:29:42.000 Al Gore admitted he lost.

01:29:43.000 Well, you know, Trump did eventually as well.

01:29:47.000 2016.

01:29:47.000 There are no examples in U.S.

01:29:49.000 history, or if you want to give me one since you know so much history about 2016, give it to me.

01:29:52.000 Is there any other examples in U.S.

01:29:53.000 history where the president is telling the vice president to unilaterally not certify the vote?

01:29:59.000 Has that ever happened before?

01:30:01.000 That's a totally separate question.

01:30:02.000 No, that is what happened on January 6th.

01:30:06.000 It doesn't matter if it's the first time that it ever happened.

01:30:09.000 Even if it's the first time or the 10th time, it's still not a coup or an insurrection.

01:30:12.000 A coup or an insurrection is when you use violence and force in order to seize control of power outside of the legal process.

01:30:19.000 So a coup has to happen.

01:30:21.000 So if there's no violence, it can't be a coup.

01:30:25.000 Wasn't there violence?

01:30:26.000 I saw violence.

01:30:28.000 How much violence do you need?

01:30:29.000 25 grams. 1.00

01:30:35.000 That's just a stupid argument. 1.00

01:30:44.000 And you know, I'm sure there's a word for that kind of fallacy. 1.00

01:30:48.000 But to say that there's no degrees of violence in an event like that?

01:30:53.000 There was violence after Donald Trump was elected.

01:30:55.000 No one calls that an insurrection.

01:30:57.000 Nobody would.

01:30:58.000 If one person committed an act of violence, would that be an insurrection?

01:31:02.000 If a million people committed violence, would that be an insurrection?

01:31:06.000 Obviously, it's a matter of degree.

01:31:08.000 And Destiny loves to debate that way.

01:31:10.000 He goes, oh, so you need violence, but there was violence.

01:31:15.000 And Glenn has to say, well, there wasn't enough.

01:31:17.000 Well, how much?

01:31:19.000 And that's actually, you know, there's not a unit to measure violence.

01:31:23.000 I mean, what would the unit be?

01:31:24.000 Would it be firepower?

01:31:25.000 Would it be bullet size?

01:31:27.000 Would it be the size of the army?

01:31:28.000 Would it be the number of casualties?

01:31:31.000 But it's fundamentally irrelevant how you measure it.

01:31:34.000 Everybody recognizes that, of course, it's a matter of degree.

01:31:38.000 If one person rejected the election results and one person committed an act of violence, that's obviously not an insurrection.

01:31:46.000 If a hundred thousand people did in uniforms, carrying guns and killing all the cops, that would be an insurrection.

01:31:53.000 So clearly there is a line.

01:31:54.000 You may not be able to say with precision and necessarily off the cuff say how you'd measure that.

01:32:01.000 But obviously it's a matter of degree.

01:32:03.000 But he'll always do that.

01:32:05.000 And you know, these guys have never debated him so they don't really know how he operates.

01:32:10.000 He turns it into an interrogation.

01:32:11.000 He makes no positive claims.

01:32:13.000 And then if there's anything that's like this, if there's anything that's a little bit ambiguous, he'll just seize on that and it looks like he won.

01:32:21.000 But obviously, anybody would say that, yes, it does matter the amount of violence.

01:32:26.000 How do you measure that?

01:32:28.000 Well that's a complex question.

01:32:30.000 But obviously it's a matter of degree.

01:32:32.000 That's not a gotcha to say, well how much violence?

01:32:35.000 Well clearly more versus less matters.

01:32:39.000 If you put it on the extremes and there's a range, obviously there is a point after which it becomes an insurrection and before that point it isn't.

01:32:47.000 How many officers were injured?

01:32:48.000 140?

01:32:48.000 Is that enough violence for you?

01:32:50.000 This is actually the next question on my list.

01:32:52.000 Do you guys think that Trump was responsible for this thing?

01:32:54.000 And before you answer, I want to play a couple of clips.

01:32:56.000 We have clip one and two.

01:32:57.000 These are from Trump's speeches on the day

01:33:16.000 I think the first clip is before the violence kicked off.

01:33:20.000 Maybe we can play that first.

01:33:23.000 I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

01:33:32.000 We can't play into the hands of these people.

01:33:37.000 We have to have peace.

01:33:39.000 So go home.

01:33:40.000 We love you.

01:33:41.000 You're very special.

01:33:43.000 You've seen what happens.

01:33:45.000 You see the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil.

01:33:50.000 I know how you feel.

01:33:52.000 But go home, and go home in peace.

01:33:55.000 That second clip was from after the violence had become, and so he was kind of doing damage control, I think, at that point.

01:34:02.000 I just don't understand all of the insanely arbitrary caps that we're trying to create to try to say that it wasn't a coup.

01:34:07.000 Well, there was violence, but there wasn't enough.

01:34:09.000 See, but it's not arbitrariness.

01:34:12.000 That's always that's always the approach is to say well, it's just arbitrary it obviously isn't You know like we talked about earlier it matters the intent it does matter the amount of firepower You know and and maybe destiny think that's a win because it sounds Ad-hoc or something, but obviously that is the case there have been

01:34:37.000 You know, whether it's a small number or a large number of people, whether they're very heavily armed or they're not armed at all, like these questions do count in a definition like this.

01:34:46.000 When you're trying to parse out with precision a riot versus an insurrection, it actually does sort of matter how much violence there was.

01:34:53.000 There was a subversion of the democratic process, but it didn't end up working.

01:34:57.000 Like, if the plan would have gone as Donald Trump wanted it to have gone, which is Vice President Pence unilaterally tossing out the Electoral College vote, and if Donald Trump would have retained power past when he was supposed to lose it...

01:35:09.000 What is that, if not a coup?

01:35:10.000 What would you call that?

01:35:11.000 No one ordered those people, the few hundred that actually fought police, to do that.

01:35:15.000 That's great.

01:35:16.000 What would you call that, though?

01:35:17.000 Trump's not been charged.

01:35:18.000 No one said Trump's been charged with insurrection or inciting a riot.

01:35:21.000 Jack Smith especially did.

01:35:23.000 But we can't vote for him because they say he's guilty.

01:35:25.000 What would you call it if Pence would have unilaterally thrown out the vote and Trump would have held onto power for some weeks?

01:35:30.000 Trump was calling for a 10-day Senate investigation.

01:35:33.000 That's why we were there.

01:35:34.000 That's great.

01:35:34.000 What would have happened if Pence would have thrown out the vote?

01:35:36.000 That would have been legal.

01:35:37.000 That would have been legal.

01:35:39.000 There was a constitutional legal argument

01:35:53.000 That if Pence didn't read the votes, that Donald Trump would become the president.

01:35:57.000 There have been, you know, throughout the history of the United States, there have been deals like this.

01:36:02.000 Like in 1824, there have been corrupt bargains.

01:36:05.000 I mean, you may not, you may think that that's unfair.

01:36:10.000 If you think it's unfair that Mike Pence doesn't read the votes, or you think it's spurious constitutional interpretation, well, it would be taken to the Supreme Court and it would be decided by the Supreme Court.

01:36:21.000 The Constitution is vague about the process for a person becoming the President.

01:36:26.000 That was actually the difficulty during that period, is that the Constitution actually didn't anticipate

01:36:33.000 That it would be extremely contentious because it's not very specific.

01:36:37.000 And so there is a legal argument to be made, and other people disagree with it, that if Pence doesn't read the votes, and neither candidate reaches a majority, then it's kicked to Congress.

01:36:47.000 And then Congress votes.

01:36:49.000 And then Congress would vote and, you know, maybe it would be challenged in the Supreme Court and they would give interpretation to the Constitution and it could go one way or the other.

01:36:58.000 But that is still legal.

01:37:00.000 By definition, it's legal because it's using a law, not coercion.

01:37:04.000 It's using a valid legal interpretation.

01:37:07.000 The interpretation would go through the legal interpretive process through the courts.

01:37:13.000 So to say, well, you know, his plan was to, what would you call that?

01:37:16.000 Well, you would call that another, um, another contested election.

01:37:21.000 There have been contested elections in the history of the United States.

01:37:25.000 Congress has decided them.

01:37:27.000 The process with the Electoral College has changed over time.

01:37:31.000 The Constitution's ambiguous.

01:37:34.000 That doesn't, just to say, well, you would call it nothing other than that, doesn't mean you can positively identify it as an insurrection.

01:37:41.000 Well, I'd call it taking Trump off the ballot and saying we can't vote for him.

01:37:45.000 I know you won't answer because you probably know he's guilty.

01:37:46.000 That's fine.

01:37:47.000 What about you, Glenn?

01:37:48.000 Glenn, what would you call it if the president was able to entrench his power by asking his vice president to throw out the vote unilaterally, which is what he was trying to do?

01:37:56.000 Why does he keep saying unilaterally?

01:37:58.000 The vice president presides over that session.

01:38:00.000 So to say unilaterally...

01:38:03.000 That's his jurisdiction.

01:38:05.000 That's like saying the Vice President unilaterally runs the Senate.

01:38:10.000 Yeah, that's the jurisdiction.

01:38:11.000 Do you want to deny the facts?

01:38:12.000 Do you want to deny that it's a coup?

01:38:13.000 What part?

01:38:14.000 A coup.

01:38:15.000 You're lucky it wasn't a real coup.

01:38:17.000 It shows the weakness of the argument, but if that had happened, my guess is it would have ended up in the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court would have made the decision about whether Mike Pence exercised his proper authority as Vice President, and then Donald Trump, if he had run out of options, would have left the White House on January 20th without any need for military force or police force, exactly how he did, and I would have called that the exhaustion of all of the legal remedies available to the President in the event that he takes on an election.

01:38:41.000 Exactly, and therefore it would have been just the way

01:38:44.000 The Bush v. Gore thing played out.

01:38:46.000 Exhausting your legal options, getting up to the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court makes the determination... If both of you accept that then, then if the Supreme Court says that because of Amendment 14, Section 3, Trump can't be on the ballot, you would both accept that as well?

01:39:00.000 See, then it turns it...

01:39:03.000 So, like, you lost that argument.

01:39:05.000 You lost that argument.

01:39:07.000 What would you call it if Pence unilaterally... I mean, using that word as if it means anything, that's the constitutional process.

01:39:16.000 And they say yes.

01:39:17.000 Well, Pence would have not counted the votes, it would have went to a vote in the Congress, the Supreme Court would have interpreted if that's legal, and then Trump would have accepted the result as Bush and Gore did.

01:39:29.000 Exhausting the legal remedy, accepting the result in the end.

01:39:33.000 Instead of Destiny saying, oh, okay.

01:39:35.000 Yeah, you know, well, there it is.

01:39:37.000 There's no answer for that.

01:39:38.000 It's, well, then if something else happens completely outside the scope of the debate, well, then would you be consistent?

01:39:46.000 It doesn't matter.

01:39:47.000 Frankly, it doesn't matter.

01:39:49.000 It's outside the scope of the debate.

01:39:51.000 This isn't a debate about the DOJ case against Trump and, you know, whether the 14th Amendment says that he should be barred from running.

01:40:01.000 It's got nothing to do with that, frankly.

01:40:02.000 The question is whether January 6th is an insurrection.

01:40:05.000 And it seems to have gone from, well, you know, how much violence is a coup?

01:40:09.000 What would you call it if Mike Pence changed the vote?

01:40:13.000 You know, which are easily answerable questions to, well, what about something completely unrelated?

01:40:17.000 What about something that happened three years later?

01:40:21.000 I wouldn't, but I think that would be authoritative.

01:40:23.000 Why would that be authoritative?

01:40:25.000 But Donald Trump, one man, centralizing power among himself to remain in power, that's not authoritative.

01:40:31.000 He didn't do that.

01:40:32.000 That's not what happened.

01:40:33.000 That's what he tried to do.

01:40:34.000 That is what happened.

01:40:36.000 I know you only read tweets and headlines, Glenn, but believe it or not, that's actually what happened.

01:40:40.000 He wanted a 10-day, that was our goal, was a 10-day Senate investigation into the Constitution.

01:40:44.000 That's not what was happening behind the scenes.

01:40:46.000 We're good to go.

01:41:05.000 He didn't do that and he left is the point and that's the reality and now they say we can't vote for him even though we all know Biden's gonna win by 10 million votes.

01:41:14.000 That's why we call it an attempted coup and not an actual successful coup.

01:41:18.000 Alex, do you think that Trump was responsible for this thing on January 6th?

01:41:21.000 100% not.

01:41:22.000 He'd had hundreds of rallies around the country.

01:41:24.000 Five or six that we were part of in the months before this.

01:41:27.000 And we had the space.

01:41:29.000 We had, here's the Capitol, right up here by the Supreme Court on the Capitol grounds.

01:41:32.000 We had a stage.

01:41:33.000 And then we get there, and it's bedlam.

01:41:36.000 And so, no, Trump didn't think attacking the Capitol would make him look good.

01:41:40.000 That's why he came out and said that, don't do this and go home.

01:41:43.000 Why didn't he call them off immediately if he thought it didn't make him look good?

01:41:46.000 It was happening while he was giving a speech.

01:41:48.000 Wrong.

01:41:48.000 The reason why he didn't call them off is because Ken Giuliani and Eastman were making phone calls to other senators and congressmen asking them to decertify the electoral vote.

01:41:57.000 No, no, no.

01:41:57.000 Do you acknowledge that that happened or do you not acknowledge it?

01:41:59.000 Hold on, hold on.

01:42:00.000 We're talking about the crowd.

01:42:02.000 I don't care about the crowd.

01:42:03.000 I'm saying that as the riot was raging on and he was sitting there sipping his Diet Coke, if this really made him and his followers look bad, why didn't Donald Trump make a video immediately?

01:42:11.000 Yeah, I'm about to do it because I can talk over you really easy.

01:42:14.000 That's what you've been doing the whole time.

01:42:14.000 No, no, no.

01:42:15.000 You're doing it.

01:42:15.000 I look forward to you dodging the question again.

01:42:16.000 You're doing it.

01:42:17.000 You're doing it.

01:42:18.000 No, you.

01:42:18.000 So, no, you.

01:42:20.000 No, you.

01:42:20.000 You.

01:42:21.000 You.

01:42:21.000 No, you.

01:42:21.000 You.

01:42:22.000 Both of you.

01:42:22.000 Keep doing it.

01:42:23.000 He doesn't like you.

01:42:24.000 Break it up.

01:42:26.000 Trump

01:42:28.000 That's correct.

01:42:29.000 Alex left during the speech.

01:42:31.000 I was right behind him.

01:42:57.000 In the middle of a speech, off a teleprompter, go be peaceful.

01:43:01.000 That's what he said.

01:43:02.000 Didn't Trump get back to the U.S.

01:43:03.000 at like 1.30?

01:43:03.000 He also said fight like hell.

01:43:05.000 If we don't fight like hell, we're not going to have a country.

01:43:08.000 What did Rudy Giuliani say?

01:43:10.000 He said, let's have trial by combat.

01:43:13.000 That's a legal term.

01:43:15.000 Maxine Waters said, go attack Republicans in restaurants. 1.00

01:43:19.000 Grocery stores.

01:43:21.000 It's hyperbole.

01:43:22.000 It wasn't hyperbole.

01:43:24.000 Trump never supported political violence.

01:43:26.000 Trump never told people to be goons. 0.74

01:43:27.000 The lefts would burn down half the country. 0.95

01:43:29.000 Everybody knows that.

01:43:30.000 Everybody knows it's Biden's erase the border.

01:43:33.000 Everybody knows all this.

01:43:34.000 You're sitting there claiming this was... Do you agree this was Biggs Pearl Harbor?

01:43:39.000 What are you comparing it?

01:43:41.000 As big as Pearl Harbor in what way?

01:43:42.000 People dead?

01:43:45.000 No.

01:43:46.000 Maybe a blemish on our democracy?

01:43:50.000 I'd say it was very close.

01:43:51.000 Let me ask you this.

01:43:52.000 If they bring in, which they've done, 10 million illegal aliens the last three years, and then that gives them, with the congressional seats in the census, more Democrat seats in the Congress, is that not... Undocumented aliens, undocumented immigrants are not voting.

01:44:06.000 No, they are not.

01:44:08.000 But they're not voting.

01:44:10.000 He doesn't understand, but if they're counted in the census that means that representation is apportioned based on the number of illegals.

01:44:22.000 So if California has millions of illegals and they get an extra electoral college vote or an extra seat in the Congress, 0.75

01:44:30.000 It gives California and the Democrats more weight.

01:44:33.000 So, does he not even realize that's how that works?

01:44:47.000 Yeah, I do want to go back.

01:44:48.000 Can we go back to January 6th?

01:44:49.000 Okay, so you play those clips.

01:44:50.000 Oh, you always want to get off of it because it was an insurrection.

01:44:53.000 No, because I came here to debate January 6th, not immigration.

01:44:55.000 And then as soon as I bring up the real insurrection, you can't handle it.

01:44:57.000 I'm not here to debate immigration.

01:44:59.000 Yeah, talk to me, Brian.

01:44:59.000 Okay, so why don't we ask the Oath Keepers, the Three Percenters, the Proud Boys, the ones who were actually indicted and convicted of seditious conspiracy.

01:45:11.000 Why they did it.

01:45:13.000 And well, you know, they told us.

01:45:14.000 Yeah, they did tell us.

01:45:15.000 They did tell us.

01:45:16.000 Let Brian finish and then you can come back at me.

01:45:22.000 Joe Biggs, he said, I did it because this is where Trump wanted me.

01:45:26.000 They wanted, he wanted me to do this.

01:45:28.000 Stuart Rhodes, Oath Keepers, same thing.

01:45:32.000 I did it for Trump.

01:45:33.000 Multiple Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, they all said, I was here because of Trump.

01:45:39.000 I went into the Capitol, I took the Capitol because that's what Trump wanted.

01:45:44.000 So did Trump, was Trump responsible?

01:45:47.000 But that's totally subjective and you could give a variety of explanations for that.

01:45:52.000 I mean you could argue that that's obviously what prosecutors wanted to hear.

01:45:56.000 A lot of those guys took plea deals and what the prosecutors wanted to hear because the case, they were building a case against Trump.

01:46:03.000 That's why they subpoenaed everybody and I think that's why they got a lot of

01:46:08.000 People like that.

01:46:09.000 It's because they wanted them to say, we were here because of Trump to build that case.

01:46:14.000 But also, you know, that's the person's subjective experience.

01:46:20.000 If I go out and say the Beatles told me to start a race war, that doesn't make the Beatles culpable.

01:46:24.000 And I know this is slightly different, but the subjectivity remains.

01:46:29.000 If there was a document or a communication where Donald Trump instructed them to do it, and they said, well, I believe Donald Trump told me because...

01:46:39.000 He told me to because I had this text message from him.

01:46:42.000 You know, that would be solid, but to say Joe Biggs felt like Trump wanted him there?

01:46:47.000 That's not evidence.

01:46:49.000 That's not proof.

01:46:49.000 That doesn't prove anything.

01:46:51.000 Ask them.

01:46:52.000 Ask the people that are serving 20 years in prison for seditious conspiracy.

01:46:57.000 I'd like to respond to that now.

01:46:59.000 I know Stuart Rhodes well.

01:47:01.000 I know Joe Biggs well.

01:47:02.000 He used to work here.

01:47:03.000 And they have never said Trump told them to go into the Capitol.

01:47:08.000 They have never said they did it because he asked them to.

01:47:11.000 That is not a true statement.

01:47:14.000 That is a true statement.

01:47:16.000 I have their quotes right here.

01:47:18.000 Joe Biggs shook a fence.

01:47:21.000 Shook a fence.

01:47:22.000 Stuart Rhodes said he never told anybody to go in the Capitol and never went in the Capitol, and you just said they said that Trump told them!

01:47:29.000 Multiple Proud Boys said they were in the Capitol because that's what Trump wanted.

01:47:33.000 Trump wanted this so much.

01:47:34.000 Oh, you're reading a Jack Smith federal filing?

01:47:37.000 No, I'm going, Jack Smith didn't indict the Proud Boys.

01:47:40.000 They have messages between the group.

01:47:42.000 They have the actual... No, I know all about it.

01:47:44.000 Yes, they have them.

01:47:45.000 Are you saying these are fabricated?

01:47:48.000 No, no, read me the quotes.

01:47:49.000 Yeah, read those quotes.

01:47:50.000 I mean, we were here to storm the Capitol.

01:47:54.000 We were here because of Trump.

01:47:58.000 I mean, there's literally dozens of these quotes.

01:48:02.000 What's the best quote you have?

01:48:06.000 This is a red herring.

01:48:08.000 They're not saying that Donald Trump personally communicated to them to go to the Capitol.

01:48:12.000 What they're saying is the reason why they were there, which I think over 147 convicted people have thus far in their convictions, have said the reason why they were there is because Trump called them to go there.

01:48:20.000 Not personally.

01:48:21.000 You know how many of those people cited Ray Epps as the reason why they were in the Capitol?

01:48:25.000 Take a guess.

01:48:28.000 In both Proud Boys and Oath Keepers cases, the Fed said there was no direct conspiracy.

01:48:36.000 No one is talking about this.

01:48:37.000 They went on to say now it's a new conspiracy where it's not written or said, they just imagined it.

01:48:47.000 I want to be clear.

01:48:48.000 What is your contention with this?

01:48:50.000 Give me the quote and then what your contention is in relation to the quote.

01:48:55.000 Like Destiny said, there are 140 convictions where the people convicted said, I was there because of Trump.

01:49:03.000 Trump called us to do this.

01:49:04.000 And when I say called us, I don't mean to call them on the phone and say... Let's assume for the sake of argument that that's true.

01:49:08.000 What is your conclusion from that?

01:49:10.000 That Trump helped incite this... Well, just because they thought they were helping Trump, that doesn't mean that Trump told them to do that.

01:49:17.000 That's true, but let's look at the actions... There's a famous federal... famous... It's like, wait, wait, Alex.

01:49:22.000 It's like saying, you know,

01:49:26.000 Yo! 1.00

01:49:26.000 That's crazy. 1.00

01:49:35.000 I swear I didn't watch that part before I... That's crazy.

01:49:40.000 Yo, great minds.

01:49:42.000 Trump is essentially Helter Skelter and he's telling these Proud Boys that you need to go and start the Capitol?

01:49:49.000 Because for those that don't know, Charles Manson thought the Beatles were telling him to start a race war through Helter Skelter and piggies and... That's crazy. 0.62

01:49:57.000 So that's what I just said!

01:49:58.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:50:00.000 I'm just a little bit quicker.

01:50:01.000 I think I'm just a little quicker to the punch. 0.98

01:50:03.000 Peons go kill this guy or do they use other language? 0.91

01:50:06.000 Well, what's the language that he used? 0.99

01:50:08.000 Someone said pre-watched!

01:50:09.000 I didn't see that!

01:50:10.000 I, honest to God, I didn't see that part.

01:50:12.000 I'm just a genius, okay?

01:50:13.000 I'm just ten steps ahead of the entire... I'm just tensed!

01:50:17.000 Have you noticed that?

01:50:18.000 I cut it off and then I just say what everybody's about to say, although better.

01:50:22.000 Criminal!

01:50:22.000 The language Trump has to be the language.

01:50:24.000 The language and the...

01:50:26.000 The ideas that Trump discussed was that the election was being stolen from you.

01:50:29.000 Okay, so that's criminal?

01:50:30.000 I never said that was criminal.

01:50:31.000 He's not being indicted for that speech.

01:50:32.000 You're asking why are the people at the White House.

01:50:35.000 All of the Trump's indictments and charges for January 6th are not focused on the people at the White House or the Capitol.

01:50:39.000 No, I understand.

01:50:40.000 So what's the point of argument there?

01:50:41.000 That Trump...

01:50:42.000 The question was just why are the people there-

01:51:00.000 He laid out, very precisely, exactly what he believed had happened.

01:51:03.000 He thought that the vote was being stolen, that our country was being taken from us.

01:51:07.000 Not believed, what he wanted others to believe.

01:51:10.000 Yeah, that Congress wasn't acting, that Mike Pence was supposed to be the guy to do it, but he hadn't heard good things about them, and they needed to go down to the Capitol building to protest.

01:51:18.000 To protest what?

01:51:20.000 To protest nobody saying that you're repeating the same thing.

01:51:23.000 You're like a broken record.

01:51:24.000 You're a broken record.

01:51:25.000 No, no, I'm not a broken record.

01:51:26.000 Trump has every right

01:51:28.000 You're trying to shut me down.

01:51:29.000 Listen, here's the bottom line.

01:51:30.000 Trump's not been charged with insurrection.

01:51:32.000 No one said he was.

01:51:34.000 But you're saying people can't vote for him.

01:51:36.000 No, I'm not saying that.

01:51:37.000 That's up to the Supreme Court.

01:51:40.000 No one here is talking about him being... Do you support Colorado and Maine taking him off the ballot?

01:51:44.000 That's up to the Supreme Court.

01:51:45.000 No, you punt.

01:51:46.000 Do you think it's good for the opposing party, when a guy's way ahead in the polls, to remove someone from the ballot?

01:51:52.000 It's not about him being ahead in the polls or not, it's about whether or not he engaged in insurrection, and if the self-executing part of the 14th Amendment allows states to remove him from the ballot.

01:52:00.000 So where's the conviction?

01:52:02.000 Where's Trump found guilty of insurrection?

01:52:05.000 You don't need a conviction for the 14th Amendment!

01:52:07.000 Alex, read it!

01:52:07.000 Can we bring the 14th Amendment up?

01:52:09.000 You're misrepresenting that, and it doesn't matter, because we have a right to vote for who we want, right?

01:52:14.000 No, you don't! 1.00

01:52:15.000 That's such a dumb argument. 0.98

01:52:23.000 The problem is the other side, if Alex would get out of the way, if there could be some clarity, the other side has not won a single point. 0.99

01:52:31.000 If you've been paying close attention, they have not won a single point.

01:52:35.000 They try to compare it to Al Gore

01:52:38.000 They try to interrogate this ambiguity on how much violence constitutes an insurrection.

01:52:46.000 They try to bring in the testimony of the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys.

01:52:51.000 None of it has landed, but it just keeps getting muddied up with this question about

01:52:57.000 The current case with Trump and Alex Jones butting in all the time.

01:53:01.000 He just lost that point.

01:53:02.000 Darren was trying to get him and say, okay, what are you saying?

01:53:04.000 What's the claim?

01:53:06.000 We haven't heard it, actually.

01:53:07.000 If you think it's so bad that courts are kicking him off the ballot, what do you think about Trump doing the birtherism card for Obama for how many years?

01:53:13.000 What about this?

01:53:14.000 The first big political thing he was known for was challenging whether Obama was even born in the United States in an attempt to get him kicked off the ballot.

01:53:19.000 I don't know.

01:53:20.000 You know why?

01:53:21.000 I can play the clips of Obama's... And now you're going to justify that?

01:53:24.000 You're going to read my mind?

01:53:26.000 That's what I said what you were about to do.

01:53:27.000 You're scared of me talking.

01:53:28.000 I'm not scared of you talking.

01:53:30.000 There's clips of Obama and his wife saying he was born in Kenya.

01:53:35.000 I don't believe he was born in Kenya.

01:53:36.000 He was born in Hawaii to the head of the Communist Party there, actually, who's in his book.

01:53:47.000 That's what's going on here.

01:53:49.000 It doesn't matter.

01:53:50.000 If Trump wants to say the moon's made of cheese, we have a right to vote for him.

01:53:55.000 Trump can say whatever he wants.

01:53:56.000 That's not what's getting him removed from the ballots.

01:53:58.000 Glenn, Glenn.

01:53:59.000 You know what?

01:54:00.000 You can vote for him.

01:54:01.000 You actually, you can vote for him if you want.

01:54:04.000 You can vote for him.

01:54:04.000 You can.

01:54:05.000 You can write him in.

01:54:06.000 But the 14th Amendment says he can't hold office if he incited an insurrection.

01:54:11.000 And who found him guilty of insurrection?

01:54:12.000 We talked about the Civil War earlier.

01:54:14.000 Nobody was found guilty of violating insurrectionary beliefs during the Civil War either.

01:54:20.000 And that was an insurrection.

01:54:22.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to my house for a moment.

01:54:26.000 Hello, hi, I'm Ian Crossland and I'm moderating this awesome debate.

01:54:30.000 Dude, this guy's maybe the worst out of everybody.

01:54:35.000 Dude, what?

01:54:36.000 I wanna hear what he has to say.

01:54:37.000 He's been waiting patiently for about one minute.

01:54:39.000 Glenn, what's happening?

01:54:44.000 Welcome to my house for a moment.

01:54:47.000 Hello.

01:54:48.000 Hi, I'm Ian Crossland and I'm moderating this awesome debate.

01:54:50.000 Glenn Greenwald is about to speak.

01:54:51.000 I wanna hear what he has to say.

01:54:52.000 He's been waiting patiently for about one minute.

01:54:54.000 Glenn, what's happening?

01:54:56.000 Oh my gosh.

01:54:58.000 Ugh.

01:54:59.000 That's terrible, dude.

01:55:03.000 That's just like secondhand embarrassment goes crazy on that one.

01:55:08.000 He's honestly the cringiest one in the debate.

01:55:12.000 At least Alex Jones, I mean, he's so obnoxious, but he's had some funny moments, you know, you could tell.

01:55:17.000 I think he is trying to play it up.

01:55:19.000 I think he's clearly trying to be an entertainer.

01:55:22.000 But this guy's just a spaz. 1.00

01:55:29.000 Why scream?

01:55:30.000 If he would just enforce rules during the debate, throughout the debate, he wouldn't have to scream.

01:55:35.000 Also, shouldn't he have a mute button or talk to the producers?

01:55:38.000 Like, that's so... Unprofessional.

01:55:41.000 Unnecessary.

01:55:42.000 And just, like, who would scream like that?

01:55:45.000 That's just, like, maniac. 0.92

01:55:47.000 Hippie. 0.77

01:55:48.000 That's just, like...

01:55:50.000 Who does that?

01:55:51.000 Who does that?

01:55:52.000 Who does that?

01:55:53.000 Who does that?

01:55:54.000 Who does that?

01:55:55.000 Who does that?

01:55:56.000 Who does that?

01:55:57.000 Who does that?

01:55:58.000 Who does that?

01:55:59.000 Who does that?

01:56:00.000 Who does that?

01:56:01.000 Who does that?

01:56:02.000 Who does that?

01:56:03.000 Who does that?

01:56:05.000 Who does that?

01:56:06.000 Who does that?

01:56:07.000 Who does that?

01:56:08.000 Who does that?

01:56:09.000 Who does that?

01:56:10.000 Who does that?

01:56:11.000 Who does that?

01:56:12.000 Who does that?

01:56:13.000 Who does that?

01:56:14.000 Who does that?

01:56:15.000 Who does that?

01:56:16.000 Who does that?

01:56:17.000 Who does that?

01:56:18.000 Who does that?

01:56:20.000 Party governors who are saying that you cannot actually remove somebody because to remove them from the ballot is to punish them for a crime, insurrection, that Trump has never been charged with and therefore has never had the opportunity to defend himself the way a criminal does.

01:56:32.000 Wait, why are you citing the dissent?

01:56:34.000 Why are you citing the dissent?

01:56:37.000 Why are you citing the dissent in a losing case like it proves your point?

01:56:42.000 That's what I thought.

01:56:43.000 Okay. 1.00

01:56:44.000 He just knows people are dumb. 1.00

01:56:47.000 You know you're scared of Glenn. 1.00

01:56:49.000 Let him continue.

01:56:50.000 No one's ever been taken off the ballot without being convicted.

01:56:53.000 Okay.

01:56:54.000 Glenn, continue and then Darren's going to ask.

01:56:56.000 The Secretaries of State of California and Rhode Island have also said the same thing, but it's true. 0.95

01:57:00.000 The Supreme Court will decide.

01:57:02.000 I'm very confident they'll decide Trump can remain on the ballot, and then that will resolve that issue.

01:57:05.000 The question I have, I have a few questions quickly.

01:57:08.000 One is, why didn't anybody like Jack Smith charge Trump with engaging in an insurrection?

01:57:13.000 If Trump was engaged in an insurrection or inciting an insurrection, you would hope, I would think, that he would be charged with that.

01:57:19.000 I don't think he was, so I'm happy he wasn't.

01:57:21.000 But for those of you thinking he was, why wasn't he charged with it?

01:57:24.000 And then the second one is, I just want to know,

01:57:26.000 So, given that the 2020 riots did have a lot of people in there who were non-violent and were there not for insurrectionary reasons, but had a lot of people who were anarchists and insurrectionists and who engaged in a lot of violence, a lot more than was done on January 6th, do you also think that the riots of 2020 constituted an insurrection?

01:57:45.000 I'm just trying to understand to get a sense for what your definition of insurrection is.

01:57:48.000 So, Glenn, do you think that the 1992 riots- Can you repeat the question?

01:57:53.000 Two questions.

01:57:54.000 Can you just answer that?

01:57:57.000 I can give answers too.

01:57:59.000 I don't think that Black Lives Matter was an insurrection.

01:58:02.000 I do think 1992 riots in LA was an insurrection.

01:58:07.000 George Herbert Walker Bush.

01:58:09.000 Senator Black, that made it not an insurrection.

01:58:11.000 What did it lack?

01:58:12.000 So it was a protest and the violence was when the police clashed with the protesters.

01:58:19.000 The violence was not against the government in order to stop the government from doing something.

01:58:25.000 There weren't antifa and anarchist groups there that explicitly say they were using violence to overthrow the government?

01:58:31.000 That didn't happen?

01:58:31.000 They were firebombing federal courthouses!

01:58:34.000 God, that's not true!

01:58:37.000 The bombs on the courthouses, there's nobody, it was at night time, there's nobody in there.

01:58:41.000 They were not obstructing anything.

01:58:46.000 They were not there to obstruct an official proceeding of a government.

01:58:50.000 I just burned down a courthouse.

01:58:53.000 I want to ask Glenn.

01:58:54.000 Do you think 1992 was an insurrection?

01:58:59.000 You didn't answer Glenn's question.

01:59:00.000 I just did answer it.

01:59:02.000 Alex, I did answer it.

01:59:02.000 I specifically answered it.

01:59:04.000 Glenn, please.

01:59:13.000 But I mean, I think the 1992 riots, I think I recall at the time thinking the Insurrection Act was inappropriately invoked.

01:59:21.000 I'd have to go back and really study the 1992 riots to see the extent of the violence.

01:59:25.000 But I do think that you're asking that indicates why the 2020 riots are way closer to an insurrection than anything happened after the 2020 election.

01:59:34.000 And the reason you're afraid to say that it is an insurrection is purely for ideological and partisan ends.

01:59:39.000 No, that's not true.

01:59:41.000 Let me finish.

01:59:45.000 There's riots every week in America.

01:59:49.000 The Democrats were saying the Black Lives Matter riots were good and bailed them out. 0.99

01:59:53.000 No, no, no.

01:59:54.000 Here's something, here's something.

01:59:55.000 The Democrats were saying be violent every week.

01:59:58.000 Everybody get the clubs.

01:59:59.000 Get him, get him.

02:00:00.000 Take the club and get him. 0.94

02:00:01.000 Get him, get him, get him.

02:00:02.000 When we talk about an insurrection.

02:00:05.000 When we talk about an insurrection. 1.00

02:00:06.000 I got your ass. 1.00

02:00:07.000 I want to let Steven finish this up. 0.98

02:00:09.000 When we're talking about an insurrection, okay, I think, I think all three of us here would agree that if there was a congressional session or a state legislative session and people were voting on it and BLM rioters went up and they tried to firebomb the house to stop the vote, I think all of us would agree that's an insurrection. 0.94

02:00:24.000 But you guys, you guys... That's completely arbitrary though.

02:00:28.000 I love how he'll say, oh, so there's a certain level of violence before it's an insurrection, but then he'll say, if you blow up a federal building, if you blow up a police headquarters, well, that's a protest.

02:00:42.000 But, well, if there's an official proceeding going on, well, then it's an insurrection.

02:00:46.000 Well, if it's violence on a government building, and I said earlier, I said, well, you know, maybe that component wasn't there, but if you're specifically talking about bombing federal buildings, if you're talking about the role of anarchists who ideologically oppose government, it's completely arbitrary to draw the line and say, well, there has to be, we're talking about interrupting an official proceeding.

02:01:11.000 Come on.

02:01:11.000 That's the definition of an insurrection?

02:01:13.000 You can't... Overthrowing the government isn't, but it's interrupting an official proceeding.

02:01:18.000 So, you can blow up as many government... Well, I shouldn't... I don't know if I want to say those words in that order, but, you know, you can attack as many government buildings as you want.

02:01:28.000 Don't clip this.

02:01:29.000 But, as long as there's not an official proceeding or a vote count going on inside, well, then it's not an insurrection.

02:01:36.000 Talk about arbitrary.

02:01:37.000 That's arbitrary.

02:01:39.000 It has far more to do with whether it's spontaneous, what the intentionality is.

02:01:45.000 There is a level of violence I think you have to discern before it becomes an insurrection or a level of organization, coordination, premeditation.

02:01:55.000 But Glenn's exactly right.

02:01:56.000 I would much prefer to hear the first question asked.

02:01:59.000 If it's an insurrection, why wasn't Trump charged?

02:02:01.000 Rather than... Because, you know, and I said earlier, it's futile and useless to get into BLM

02:02:09.000 Because when you start to introduce these other things, then you're debating these other things.

02:02:15.000 When you start to say, what about BLM?

02:02:17.000 You know, then they say, what about LA?

02:02:19.000 And you start to say, what about Al Gore?

02:02:21.000 And then they say, what about JFK?

02:02:22.000 And what about this one?

02:02:23.000 And what about... And then you're debating.

02:02:25.000 And then it's like, well, we, you know, that's outside the scope of the debate.

02:02:28.000 It's not a debate about the Rodney King riots.

02:02:31.000 It's not a debate about the 1960 election.

02:02:34.000 It's a debate about January 6th.

02:02:36.000 So that's why I think getting into the weeds on BLM is just a completely unnecessary detour.

02:02:43.000 You can use that to call someone a hypocrite, and that's rhetoric, but I don't think that actually supports any argument about January 6th. 0.97

02:02:52.000 I mean, you can say, well, if you consider the 6th an insurrection but not the George Floyd riots, okay, that person's a hypocrite. 0.93

02:03:00.000 It's not a warrant.

02:03:02.000 It's not a claim that has anything to do with whether January 6th is an insurrection or not.

02:03:07.000 So I'm more interested because they said they had an answer.

02:03:11.000 Why wasn't he charged then?

02:03:12.000 You guys!

02:03:13.000 You guys!

02:03:14.000 Hello!

02:03:15.000 Oh my god!

02:03:15.000 I almost finished my sentence.

02:03:17.000 Does that scare you?

02:03:18.000 Are you okay?

02:03:19.000 Yes.

02:03:19.000 We understand.

02:03:20.000 Yes.

02:03:20.000 The space lasers were destroying houses in Hawaii.

02:03:22.000 Okay?

02:03:23.000 You keep bringing back the amount of violence.

02:03:24.000 The amount of violence isn't relevant.

02:03:26.000 All of us here agree that obviously over the entire

02:03:32.000 Over the course of the BLM riots, there was lots of violence.

02:03:36.000 I think everybody on this side of the table is okay with charging and convicting people.

02:03:40.000 Everybody here is okay with charging and convicting anybody that was guilty of a violent act.

02:03:44.000 However, violence, no matter how much, does not make an insurrection.

02:03:49.000 It's the obstruction or rebellion against the United States for the Jack Smith obstruction charge, obstructing an official process like certifying the vote.

02:03:56.000 We're going to go to Darren now.

02:03:59.000 That's a separate charge.

02:04:01.000 Obstructing a proceeding and an insurrection are two different things.

02:04:08.000 Because of course, when all the people were cleared out of the Capitol, they resumed the proceeding.

02:04:17.000 If I go into a town hall meeting and I interrupt a proceeding, is that a rebellion against the government?

02:04:25.000 Obviously not.

02:04:26.000 So yes, the level of violence is important.

02:04:31.000 And obstruction or interruption are not the same as rebellion, obviously.

02:04:36.000 Let me ask this.

02:04:36.000 So, first of all, it wasn't just violence.

02:04:41.000 Aspects of the BLM uprisings that involved at one point Trump was forced to go to into a secure bunker in the White House They broke through the Treasury I have a question about the 14th amendment for destiny or anyone so let's assume that it doesn't require a conviction in your view of

02:05:06.000 Who is most appropriate to make that determination?

02:05:09.000 The answer, the real answer is it's hard to tell.

02:05:14.000 Personally, I don't like the way the 14th Amendment Section 3 is written.

02:05:17.000 I've got a lot of friends who'll hate me for saying that.

02:05:19.000 And I think that the Supreme Court probably will rule against it.

02:05:22.000 Because the problem with the 14th Amendment is the self-executing part of it means basically anybody involved in that balloting process of putting them on the ballot could make that determination.

02:05:29.000 So you basically agree it has to go up to the Supreme Court and be decided before he can be justly removed from office?

02:05:36.000 Let me say this.

02:05:37.000 The Declaration of Independence, and you were talking about insurrection, I want to fix this peacefully.

02:05:42.000 But I have a right, not from the Declaration of Independence, it already points out what's there, to abolish a government when the majority of us agree we're done with it.

02:05:49.000 So, and you got all these movies about civil war the Democrats are putting out and Obama's putting out.

02:05:54.000 You guys better hope that doesn't happen.

02:05:55.000 We're trying to fix this peacefully. 0.99

02:05:57.000 But this is a load of crap. 1.00

02:05:58.000 To claim that Republicans and conservatives are this super viral evil white supremacist terror group. 1.00

02:06:04.000 They're planning crap. 1.00

02:06:05.000 No one's buying that. 0.99

02:06:07.000 And conservatives and populists and America firsters see how we're being set up.

02:06:12.000 They say set up, but Donald Trump is the one setting you up.

02:06:14.000 Well, this is my question.

02:06:15.000 Trump said be peaceful and go to the Capitol.

02:06:17.000 We're going to have a 10-day Senate investigation.

02:06:19.000 I was there.

02:06:20.000 Did Trump have his people?

02:06:22.000 There's a million hours of footage.

02:06:24.000 Trump had seven different states create seven false sets of electors that perjured themselves.

02:06:30.000 I know this.

02:06:32.000 And they shipped all of those to Congress.

02:06:34.000 When I try to have people that I know put clips of me saying don't go in the Capitol, they would take them down.

02:06:39.000 Or we show clips of people pulling off their Antifa gear, putting on Trump gear.

02:06:44.000 Where's the video footage of all the Antifa gear?

02:06:46.000 Oh my God!

02:06:47.000 How many Antifa were arrested in charge?

02:06:50.000 How many Antifa were there?

02:06:50.000 Why didn't Donald Trump?

02:06:51.000 Why didn't Trump?

02:06:59.000 You guys are talking pretty candidly about me.

02:07:01.000 You know we're not playing clubs tonight.

02:07:03.000 Why didn't Trump call in the National Guard as soon as the ride started if Antifa was there?

02:07:06.000 He asked for $10,000 National Guard a month before.

02:07:10.000 Why didn't he call him in that night?

02:07:11.000 Why didn't he call him in?

02:07:12.000 Look, there's Antifa.

02:07:13.000 Call in the National Guard.

02:07:13.000 He would have ended it in 20 minutes.

02:07:14.000 So that's another myth.

02:07:16.000 That he had the National Guard on standby.

02:07:19.000 Kash Patel said that.

02:07:20.000 No, he asked for it.

02:07:21.000 Let me finish.

02:07:22.000 Cash Patel said that, Trump asked for it.

02:07:24.000 That's the source of that.

02:07:26.000 Cash Patel and Donald Trump, after the fact, claimed that they had the National Guard on standby.

02:07:33.000 Neither of them testified to that under oath.

02:07:35.000 Do you know who did?

02:07:36.000 The Secretary of State, Chris... Department of Defense.

02:07:40.000 Yeah, Secretary of Defense.

02:07:42.000 Christopher Miller testified under oath.

02:07:45.000 No, Trump didn't have it on standby.

02:07:46.000 He asked for it and was refused by Milley.

02:07:48.000 I could pull, watch the post-op.

02:07:49.000 He was refused?

02:07:50.000 No, Milley specifically said that's not true.

02:07:52.000 Under oath?

02:07:53.000 Oh, Milley?

02:07:53.000 Yes.

02:07:54.000 Was that in between his phone calls with Xi Jinping?

02:07:55.000 And the Secretary of Defense, a man who he would have to call to call in the National Guard.

02:08:01.000 The Secretary of Defense specifically said under oath that Trump never did that.

02:08:06.000 Under oath?

02:08:07.000 Under oath.

02:08:08.000 Did Trump or Kass... Under oath they can't tell people two men can have a baby.

02:08:10.000 Can two men have a baby? 0.98

02:08:11.000 So what, why do you think... Can two men have a baby? 0.95

02:08:13.000 I thought this was January 6th.

02:08:15.000 No, no, stop, stop.

02:08:16.000 Another day, another day.

02:08:17.000 Alex, stop, stop.

02:08:18.000 Alex, let me ask you a question.

02:08:20.000 You're criticizing me for quoting somebody under oath.

02:08:23.000 What is your source?

02:08:25.000 If I have, I'm quoting somebody that said something under the penalty of perjury.

02:08:29.000 Your source is...

02:08:31.000 You just know it?

02:08:32.000 That Donald Trump said it to the public?

02:08:34.000 Oh no, we're live on air here just like when this guy said that, oh, you know, you're claiming this was done.

02:08:42.000 You don't have proof.

02:08:42.000 Those clips are all there.

02:08:43.000 Everyone's going to pull those up.

02:08:45.000 They're going to see them.

02:08:45.000 So there's clips of Donald Trump calling in the National Guard?

02:08:48.000 No, no, I'm talking about the last point.

02:08:49.000 You didn't answer my question.

02:08:50.000 No, no, I remember the articles.

02:08:51.000 Can you just answer my question?

02:08:52.000 You're not listening.

02:08:53.000 You didn't answer me.

02:08:53.000 You want my answer?

02:08:54.000 Yeah, I do.

02:08:55.000 When Trump got firebombed and the White House got attacked, he called for the National Guard.

02:08:59.000 And Milley said, I'll resign if he doesn't.

02:09:01.000 He then asked the head jurisdiction, which was actually General Flynn's brother, for 10,000 troops.

02:09:09.000 And it was in the news.

02:09:11.000 I don't have a computer in front of me.

02:09:13.000 January 6th.

02:09:14.000 January 6th.

02:09:14.000 No, no, he asked two weeks before that they wanted... It wasn't in the news.

02:09:17.000 Okay, well, boom, gotcha.

02:09:19.000 Everybody get it.

02:09:20.000 Show it.

02:09:20.000 Go ahead.

02:09:21.000 I'm on air right now.

02:09:22.000 He requested... I don't have a computer.

02:09:24.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

02:09:25.000 Tell me what you're telling me.

02:09:26.000 You're just hoping, listen, they're gonna get you.

02:09:29.000 Tell me what you're telling me, that he requested 10,000 troops.

02:09:31.000 Watch X tomorrow.

02:09:31.000 Is that what you're telling me?

02:09:33.000 Listen to me carefully.

02:09:34.000 Watch X tomorrow.

02:09:35.000 Okay.

02:09:35.000 And it's going to be General Flynn making this claim?

02:09:37.000 It'll have 5 million views, and it'll be you, and it'll be all the news articles where Milley says he'll resign if Trump is put on National Guard, and then they did it again, and then General Flynn's brother- That wasn't for January 5th, that was the Washington, D.C.

02:09:48.000 protest.

02:09:48.000 I know, I know, I know.

02:09:49.000 That's where it begins.

02:09:51.000 And he asked again, and they also- yeah, it's all there.

02:09:54.000 Okay, but you're making the claim that Trump had- No, you say, show it!

02:10:00.000 I'm here, I'm here- Why would Trump care if Milley would resign after all the deep state?

02:10:05.000 If they're all part of the swamp, why wouldn't he just do it anyway, if that's what's right? 0.63

02:10:07.000 Trump is the ultimate disorder.

02:10:08.000 You're not going to answer that question either. 0.84

02:10:13.000 What's going to happen is they're all going to get it.

02:10:17.000 And that's the whole, they're all gonna show it, and then we'll see.

02:10:20.000 Yeah, this is making me think about media manipulation in general, and how sometimes you see things, sometimes you don't, sometimes things are real, sometimes they're not, and it leads me to my next question, general for everybody.

02:10:31.000 And by the way, all six of you are doing phenomenally, especially you, Glenn, killing it from Brazil, my man. 0.94

02:10:36.000 Do you guys think this election was stolen?

02:10:40.000 Absolutely not.

02:10:42.000 This is the moderation.

02:10:46.000 It's like two hours in.

02:10:51.000 So these have been the moderation questions so far.

02:10:54.000 Was it an insurrection?

02:10:56.000 Was it a coup?

02:10:57.000 Was the election stolen?

02:11:00.000 In two hours.

02:11:01.000 Those are the three questions.

02:11:08.000 We're good to go.

02:11:28.000 In the algorithm and the censorship of the control.

02:11:31.000 I remember five years ago when I was being deplatformed, they were denying I was being deplatformed and saying there was no censorship.

02:11:37.000 Now we know from the weaponization hearings that all this is going on and now they're telling us you can't vote for him because he said we won't let you vote for him.

02:11:46.000 Why is it, if the election was being stolen, why did every single person that Donald Trump trusted to investigate come back and say there was no evidence?

02:11:53.000 It wasn't every single one of his lawyers.

02:11:56.000 It was not a whole bunch of his lawyers. 0.89

02:11:57.000 Most of his legal counsel said that the few that he ended up going with were crazy.

02:12:01.000 You just went in two seconds from everyone to most.

02:12:05.000 I said everyone that he trusted.

02:12:09.000 Every single person that Donald Trump trusted to investigate, meaning the Vice President, the Department of Justice, the Cyber Security Division of the Department of Homeland Security, all of his White House counsel, every- yeah, I know how it works.

02:12:22.000 I know, you're farming TikTok clips, okay?

02:12:23.000 That's what we're doing right now.

02:12:25.000 But the reality is, is almost every single person that he asked to investigate, that he trusted, he didn't ask Sidney Powell to go and investigate.

02:12:34.000 She brought cockamamie schemes to him and he said, oh, maybe these are okay.

02:12:37.000 Which, by the way, he also said, he also said she was crazy.

02:12:45.000 He's right about that, and that is...

02:13:09.000 Destiny does do those weasel words. 1.00

02:13:10.000 It's always, oh, well, everyone said this!

02:13:13.000 And then you're like, no, actually not everyone.

02:13:15.000 And then he goes, well, almost all!

02:13:17.000 And it's right.

02:13:18.000 I mean, Alex is 100% right.

02:13:19.000 That is a confidence game.

02:13:21.000 That was actually a W interruption.

02:13:23.000 That one was correct.

02:13:25.000 A lot of the other stuff, I was like, yeah, not so much.

02:13:27.000 But that one, he was good to interrupt.

02:13:29.000 He was correct to interrupt.

02:13:31.000 And he's right about that, because that is what Destiny does.

02:13:34.000 And he's not even right.

02:13:35.000 I mean, he's wrong.

02:13:36.000 But he'll just say it confidently, and that is correct.

02:13:40.000 That's exactly what that is.

02:13:51.000 Look, we're live on air.

02:13:53.000 I know we're live on air.

02:13:54.000 All these people are convicted and pleaded guilty except for Julian.

02:13:58.000 Let's ask, I want to ask Glenn.

02:13:59.000 What do you think, man?

02:14:00.000 Glenn, do you think that this thing was stolen?

02:14:03.000 I think the election was rigged.

02:14:05.000 I'm not somebody who thinks the election, that there's evidence conclusive that the election was stolen.

02:14:10.000 I do think we should be a lot more attentive to when election processes get changed out of the blue.

02:14:16.000 Like, oh, because there's COVID, we're going to have a ton of new conventions for how we do mail-in ballots.

02:14:21.000 I think there's a lot of potential for fraud there.

02:14:23.000 I don't think there's evidence that I've seen, at least, that's conclusive that the 2020 election was stolen.

02:14:28.000 I do think, though, it was rigged in all sorts of ways from

02:14:31.000 From internet censorship to all kinds of interference on the part of the U.S.

02:14:37.000 security state lying and saying that a very incriminating story about Joe Biden was the byproduct of Russian disinformation when it absolutely was not.

02:14:44.000 Facebook and Twitter censoring that story right before the election.

02:14:46.000 These are all examples of corrupting rigging by institutions of authority on the question of whether it was stolen.

02:14:52.000 No, I'm not somebody who thinks there's evidence that it was stolen.

02:14:55.000 Well, how would you define the difference between rigging it and stealing it?

02:14:59.000 Rigging it is when institutions of authority cheat or act corruptly in order to manipulate public opinion to prevent stories from getting to them, like those news stories about Joe Biden and the way that he exploited his family connections in Ukraine and China to profit for his family, and lying about it and saying that it's Russian disinformation.

02:15:16.000 We're good to go.

02:15:37.000 Dumping ballots that were legitimately cast or fabricating ballots in favor of one candidate or the other that actually weren't cast, manipulating the machines in order to have the loser be the winner.

02:15:47.000 That's what I would distinguish between rigging and stealing.

02:15:51.000 Do you think that Donald Trump asking Jeffrey Clark to go and threaten the DOJ, that if they don't sign on to a false letter trying to bully states into claiming there was mass election fraud by claiming the DOJ had actually done it, that was testified to under oath.

02:16:06.000 Do you think that would be considered an act of corruption?

02:16:09.000 The whole point is, if Trump legitimately believed that the election was stolen, as Democrats believed in 2000, 2004, 2016... This is right.

02:16:15.000 No, that's not right.

02:16:16.000 It's not answering the question.

02:16:19.000 I'm answering the question.

02:16:20.000 I just can't do it in seven seconds.

02:16:22.000 If Trump believed genuinely that the election was stolen, then all of those steps that he undertook to try and present to Congress the way to alleviate the stolen election, to have courts reverse the stolen election, to have Mike Pence exercise what he thought was his constitutional authority,

02:16:36.000 Might have been Ron's fault, but they weren't illegal, and they most definitely weren't a coup.

02:16:41.000 If he thought that the election was stolen, he was allowed to tell the DOJ that they needed to sign on to a false letter claiming they'd found election fraud?

02:16:48.000 Otherwise, he would replace Rosen with Clark?

02:16:50.000 That was something he was allowed to do?

02:16:51.000 That's totally loaded.

02:16:52.000 False letter. 0.99

02:16:52.000 All this stuff's crap. 0.99

02:16:53.000 The DOJ hadn't found anything, so the DOJ attesting that they had found something wouldn't be false. 0.98

02:16:58.000 That's right.

02:16:58.000 I know.

02:16:59.000 In this world, we need evidence, Alex.

02:17:00.000 I'm sorry.

02:17:01.000 Oh, evidence.

02:17:01.000 One-liners.

02:17:02.000 Evidence for evidence, yeah.

02:17:04.000 Did two men have a baby? 0.86

02:17:07.000 Isn't there a sitcom called Two Minute Baby?

02:17:09.000 Yeah.

02:17:09.000 It's all point open.

02:17:10.000 It's real.

02:17:10.000 It's a great movie.

02:17:11.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

02:17:11.000 I'm sorry. 0.99

02:17:12.000 My bad.

02:17:12.000 No, but I mean, we were sitting here like, guys, they said it was worse than Pearl Harbor in 9-11.

02:17:17.000 Like Glenn says, this is ridiculous. 0.91

02:17:19.000 Alex, you're fighting demons up here. 0.98

02:17:20.000 None of us are saying that.

02:17:21.000 Alex, you pointed out, oh, that the votes, they went up way at night.

02:17:27.000 They went up way high.

02:17:29.000 Trump was winning, and then all of a sudden, Biden pulled ahead at like

02:17:33.000 Oh, well, the media said it beforehand.

02:17:35.000 Yeah, and we said it beforehand as well.

02:17:51.000 Because of course the ballots that they're inputting in at the end of the day, those are the ones that have been received in the drop boxes.

02:17:58.000 Those were the absentee or in-person absentee, which is where the fraud occurred or where the accusations of fraud occurred.

02:18:07.000 You know, that's really neither here nor there for them to say, well, you know, the media anticipated that, so did we.

02:18:13.000 Do you understand?

02:18:14.000 Do you understand what actually, why that happened?

02:18:18.000 No, I'm not smart enough to understand.

02:18:20.000 The trucks, when they shut down the polling places, and the trucks pulled in, and they blocked the windows out, and ran the same ballots over and over again.

02:18:27.000 Let me explain it to you.

02:18:28.000 Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Donald Trump,

02:18:31.000 For months before the election, he kept saying, mail-in ballots are rigged.

02:18:37.000 Don't vote by mail.

02:18:38.000 So, do you think that Republicans are going to vote by mail if Trump says not to?

02:18:44.000 So, Republicans didn't... But that's chicken and the egg.

02:18:47.000 Let me finish.

02:18:48.000 No, let me finish, and then you can.

02:18:50.000 Republicans didn't vote by mail because Trump said, I don't... it's not safe.

02:18:55.000 Democrats voted by mail.

02:18:58.000 Mail-in votes were counted at the tail end of the vote count as they always... Yeah, we know you're... Okay.

02:19:07.000 But you're just explaining what the media said.

02:19:10.000 There's no proof of that.

02:19:11.000 To say, well, you know... Well, that happened because that's their explanation.

02:19:16.000 That was the explanation they used to anticipate it.

02:19:19.000 That's the explanation they used after it.

02:19:21.000 Our claim is that that was the source of the fraud.

02:19:24.000 Because the early voting or the absentee voting is prone to fraud.

02:19:30.000 Because people are dropping off ballots from people that, you know, they're dropping off other people's ballots.

02:19:38.000 And in many states are dropping them off in unsupervised drop boxes that are open 24 hours a day for a month before the election.

02:19:45.000 And

02:19:48.000 This was the first election where they were soliciting absentee ballots from everybody in many states, where people, everybody on the voter rolls was being sent a ballot.

02:19:59.000 You're supposed to have to go, in some states, go to the polling location on election day, show an ID, get your ballot, fill it out in front of them, and submit it.

02:20:09.000 In years past, you have to submit a form to get an absentee ballot.

02:20:12.000 You have to go online and order it.

02:20:14.000 In this election, they solicited them, meaning they sent ballots.

02:20:18.000 Ballots are like gold.

02:20:20.000 One ballot is a vote.

02:20:21.000 So they were sending votes out to everyone on the voter rolls, and they said, well, send them back.

02:20:27.000 Send them back 30 days before the election or drop them off somewhere.

02:20:31.000 And so the claim is that obviously, in these big cities where you have

02:20:35.000 multi-family homes or you have apartment buildings or nursing homes basically where there's a high population density and you have a liberal machine politics the claim is that people were harvesting ballots where these were being sent out in the mail people were collecting them going door-to-door and collecting them and and that means that all the laws conceivably could be broken

02:21:01.000 For example, if you go to an apartment complex and you go door-to-door and say, hey, here's $5.

02:21:06.000 Give me your vote and I'll fill it in for Biden.

02:21:09.000 I mean, that could conceivably be happening.

02:21:11.000 And then someone could take all of those and put them in a truck and drop them off in a drop box.

02:21:17.000 And those all count.

02:21:18.000 That's the problem with mail-in ballots.

02:21:19.000 And if that could happen, you have to assume that's happening.

02:21:23.000 Yes, it's a federal crime.

02:21:24.000 Yes, there have been actually a handful of cases where things like this were happening.

02:21:28.000 They found, like, ballots in dumpsters and things like that.

02:21:32.000 But if it can happen, you have to assume that there is a percentage of that happening.

02:21:37.000 So for them to say, well, the reason it happened is because, well, Democrats vote by mail and they put those in at the end.

02:21:45.000 Yeah, we know that's the spurious explanation they gave.

02:21:48.000 We're saying that was the source of the fraud.

02:21:51.000 The percentage of voting by mail doubled 35% to 70% from 2016 to 2020.

02:21:54.000 And again,

02:22:02.000 This was the first election where they were soliciting.

02:22:05.000 It was the first election where it took them weeks to count the ballots in multiple states.

02:22:10.000 All of that is highly irregular and anomalous, and that makes it suspicious.

02:22:16.000 You know, and I've said this throughout the years, ever since the 2020 election, if Trump lost in 2016, it would be a lot more difficult to make the case that it was stolen.

02:22:30.000 But this was an irregular election.

02:22:32.000 Everything about it was irregular and anomalous, which, you know, if you're saying that something unprecedented happened, if it was a normal election, you're probably wrong.

02:22:44.000 But if it's an election where they completely changed everything, every other election in American history, the vast majority of ballots,

02:22:53.000 were submitted in a polling location on election day.

02:22:57.000 That's every election until 2020.

02:22:59.000 In 2020, it flipped.

02:23:02.000 It went inverse.

02:23:03.000 It went from 30-70 mail and in person to 70-30 mail and in person.

02:23:08.000 And they were solicited!

02:23:10.000 And they expanded the rules with indefinitely confined and changed regulations and they changed it in various states.

02:23:20.000 And then there were all these irregularities with the counting, where the counting took three weeks.

02:23:26.000 So, you know, it's not completely unreasonable.

02:23:31.000 They say it like it's the craziest thing in the world.

02:23:33.000 It's not unreasonable to say that this election, when everything was different, possibly there was fraud.

02:23:39.000 Consider also that Trump lost by 100-150,000 votes in three states, where there were irregularities.

02:23:47.000 Georgia, Wisconsin, Arizona.

02:23:51.000 So it's not like Biden blew him out of the water.

02:23:54.000 It's a relatively small number of votes.

02:23:56.000 It's less than a percentage in three states that he would have needed to tie it up or to win.

02:24:01.000 So, you know, they're just repeating, you know, well maybe you don't understand it.

02:24:06.000 They're just repeating what we know the media has been saying.

02:24:08.000 You think we haven't heard their explanation for it?

02:24:11.000 It's called an alibi.

02:24:13.000 You know, that'd be like if you interrogated everybody in a criminal investigation and they all had an alibi and you said, well, I mean, they all said they had an alibi.

02:24:21.000 You have to check it out.

02:24:22.000 That's the whole point.

02:24:23.000 That's what the debate is for.

02:24:24.000 You have to investigate it.

02:24:34.000 They start counting the mail-in votes.

02:24:36.000 Biden's moving up.

02:24:37.000 They start counting more mail-in votes in these states that are in the big cities, which are primarily Democrats.

02:24:44.000 What happens?

02:24:45.000 Biden pulls way ahead in the big cities, just like everybody that was paying attention.

02:24:49.000 Can I talk now?

02:24:50.000 Can I talk?

02:24:51.000 No.

02:24:51.000 Can I talk?

02:24:52.000 That's why they had to all over the... block the windows out, kick everybody out, claim water mains broke.

02:24:58.000 Let me talk.

02:24:59.000 And then magically, on the surveillance cameras, just keep loading machines over and over again,

02:25:04.000 You're right.

02:25:05.000 Let's stop.

02:25:07.000 You're right.

02:25:07.000 No, no.

02:25:08.000 I agree with you.

02:25:10.000 Trump actually lost.

02:25:11.000 So why are you so scared to let him run again?

02:25:15.000 I'm not scared to let him run.

02:25:16.000 So you support him being on the ballot?

02:25:18.000 I support whatever the Supreme Court says because I think they should define what insurrection is.

02:25:23.000 I think that's fair.

02:25:24.000 I'm not saying I'm on either side.

02:25:26.000 But let's go back to the pulling out votes or tabulating votes multiple times.

02:25:32.000 Did you actually watch more than the 14 second clip that Giuliani put out there where they

02:25:39.000 Purportedly pulled out ballots from under the table.

02:25:41.000 Let me ask you a question.

02:25:42.000 No, no, no.

02:25:43.000 Why in Michigan and Georgia did they block the windows?

02:25:46.000 No, no, no.

02:25:48.000 No, no, no.

02:25:48.000 Why?

02:25:49.000 I don't know why.

02:25:50.000 Ask them.

02:25:51.000 Why did they say a water main broke?

02:25:52.000 They later admitted it didn't.

02:25:53.000 These all went to court.

02:25:54.000 These all... All these were... Why are they in court?

02:25:57.000 Let me stop you. 0.95

02:25:58.000 Let me stop you. 0.95

02:25:58.000 You guys, hold on. 0.95

02:25:59.000 Stop.

02:25:59.000 Can I say one thing?

02:26:02.000 I'll give you the floor.

02:26:03.000 Let me say one thing.

02:26:04.000 Go ahead.

02:26:08.000 I was found guilty by two judges in Texas and Connecticut, and then they had a jury trial on how much damage is.

02:26:13.000 Trump, they changed the law, has a judge who said at the beginning of the real estate hearing, he's guilty.

02:26:20.000 And then Leticia James said in a video, we've already found him guilty. 0.99

02:26:23.000 She was so dumb she said it. 0.98

02:26:24.000 We already found him guilty. 1.00

02:26:25.000 He's guilty.

02:26:26.000 And then Trump doesn't get a jury trial in New York.

02:26:29.000 So you're pointing to the judiciary and the corrupt lawyers that have run this country down the ground.

02:26:34.000 So who are you pointing to?

02:26:36.000 Wasn't that because his lawyer didn't check the jury trial?

02:26:38.000 January 6th, what an insurrection.

02:26:43.000 Also, the videos that you're referring to, the running demos multiple times... And we're not going to give the Democrats the violence that they want in 2024.

02:26:52.000 But let me tell you, you guys keep looking for one.

02:26:56.000 Once you guys start to fight and launch martial law, you're going to actually get the real thing.

02:27:00.000 And then you'll know what it is.

02:27:02.000 Alex, how long have you been calling for martial law?

02:27:04.000 How many decades now?

02:27:05.000 Also, all the examples you're bringing up have literally been- Oh, the COVID lockdowns were martial law!

02:27:08.000 Oh my god. 0.99

02:27:09.000 And they didn't last forever, like you guys- Guys, we shut their ass down! 0.99

02:27:12.000 No, you didn't shut down anything. 1.00

02:27:13.000 We beat their fucking ass! 1.00

02:27:14.000 No, the Supreme Court ruled against- Biden won the election and it stopped. 1.00

02:27:17.000 Biden won the election and it stopped, so you shut them down?

02:27:20.000 Who are you?

02:27:21.000 Are you part of Biden now?

02:27:22.000 Let me ask you a question.

02:27:23.000 Is, uh, is, uh...

02:27:25.000 No, wait.

02:27:25.000 Why are we getting pulled off the Georgia stuff?

02:27:28.000 Is Rachel Maddow right?

02:27:29.000 Why are we talking about COVID right now?

02:27:31.000 He brought it up.

02:27:32.000 If Biden, is Biden right?

02:27:34.000 You take the shot, you're protected.

02:27:35.000 Is that true?

02:27:35.000 I think what Biden did, I think what Biden did was, here's what Biden did for the shot, okay?

02:27:40.000 What happened was, Rappensperger and everybody in Georgia looked over all the tapes that you're claiming about, but the ballots being ran three times, not only was that information false, Trump was told that it was false, Trump knew that it was false, Trump repeated it over and over again, including in a call to Rappensperger, and finally Giuliani has come out

02:27:54.000 Okay, well this is a question, Darren.

02:27:56.000 Firstly, do you think, if you want to talk about it, do you think the election was rigged or stolen?

02:27:59.000 But also, is it protected speech to question an election and claim that it was stolen?

02:28:14.000 Of course it is.

02:28:33.000 Rigged the election.

02:28:33.000 I think that's more significant than the sort of more hyperbolic claims regarding, you know, hacking the machines and or, you know, so forth.

02:28:48.000 These kinds of things.

02:28:49.000 So then you agree that Trump was wrong when he said it was a stolen election?

02:28:54.000 Well, it depends what specific claim he's using.

02:28:57.000 It's a definitional one.

02:28:58.000 Let's say when Trump kept pushing that Dominion, that Dominion was switching votes and it calls him Georgia.

02:29:03.000 That, I don't believe in the Dominion stuff.

02:29:06.000 Yeah, I don't either.

02:29:07.000 It was a lie.

02:29:08.000 Trump was lying about it.

02:29:09.000 He was lying about it.

02:29:10.000 He was lying.

02:29:11.000 But see, we're intellectually honest here.

02:29:13.000 The point is, is that the State Department runs around the world looking at everybody else's elections, and the number one thing you get sanctions for is taking a candidate off the ballot.

02:29:21.000 And that's what Democrats are doing right now, and America sees that.

02:29:24.000 The Democrats are not doing it.

02:29:25.000 That's going to go to the courts.

02:29:26.000 Republicans actually filed a suit.

02:29:28.000 It's not the Democrat Supreme Court of Colorado.

02:29:30.000 It's not the Democrat Secretary of State in Maine.

02:29:34.000 You just said the Democrats aren't doing it!

02:29:36.000 They are doing it!

02:29:38.000 Alex, in Colorado. 1.00

02:29:39.000 Goddamn, that's a lie. 0.99

02:29:40.000 Alex, in Colorado, who filed the suit? 0.99

02:29:42.000 Six people.

02:29:43.000 How many of them are Democrats?

02:29:45.000 No, no.

02:29:46.000 How many were Democrats out of the six?

02:29:48.000 No, how many?

02:29:50.000 How many were Republicans who filed the suit?

02:29:52.000 Five of the six people that filed the suit in Colorado to get Trump off the ballot were Republicans!

02:29:58.000 So stop saying Democrats!

02:30:01.000 Democrats don't want Trump off the ballot! 0.89

02:30:03.000 Glenn's actually responding.

02:30:05.000 That's not what happened.

02:30:07.000 What happened is the only people who have standing in Colorado to bring a suit are people who can vote in the Republican primaries, which means either Republican voters or independent voters.

02:30:16.000 Although the suit was brought in their name, the lawsuit was spearheaded and was paid for and was organized by a Democratic Party-aligned group called CRU that boasted of this and took credit for it.

02:30:27.000 So yes, the suit was brought in their name.

02:30:35.000 We're going to request the... We had some buzzing, Glenn.

02:30:39.000 I want to make sure that everything you said is clearly heard.

02:30:41.000 So we're going to fix that and then get back to you.

02:30:43.000 Let's go back.

02:30:44.000 Glenn, go ahead and talk again.

02:30:44.000 Let's try it out.

02:30:46.000 Yeah.

02:30:47.000 Anyway, I don't know how much of that you heard, but what I was saying was that in Colorado, in order to have standing... Hey, Glenn, stay there.

02:30:53.000 We're going to have to reconnect with you.

02:30:54.000 I want to hear this.

02:30:55.000 So I can say what he's saying.

02:30:57.000 He's saying that it was brought by a Democratic institution, but they needed Republicans

02:31:02.000 Not just a Democrat institution, it's a notorious lawfare outfit.

02:31:06.000 Right, but how many Democratic states said okay?

02:31:11.000 He can stay on the ballot.

02:31:12.000 So they don't just say like every Democrat just wants to throw Trump off the ballot.

02:31:16.000 You're right.

02:31:16.000 The Democrats don't want him off the ballot.

02:31:18.000 If you were to ask me, I would say let the voters decide.

02:31:21.000 I think other candidates would have a better shot than Trump to beat Biden.

02:31:26.000 I honestly do.

02:31:27.000 Who?

02:31:27.000 I think Nikki Haley.

02:31:29.000 There's no way she would get the nomination. 0.67

02:31:31.000 World War III birdbrain.

02:31:33.000 I think she would defeat Biden.

02:31:34.000 I really do.

02:31:36.000 I actually have a tweet from Vivek Ramaswamy claiming that the, uh, what did he call it?

02:31:42.000 He called it a happy entrapment day.

02:31:44.000 Talking about January 6th.

02:31:45.000 You guys think that it was an entrapment?

02:31:46.000 100%.

02:31:47.000 Donald Trump entrapped all those poor people to be there.

02:31:50.000 So you think it was an entrapment?

02:31:52.000 They probably thought he'd bail them out.

02:31:53.000 Or that he'd pardon them like he did every other person in his campaign that was convicted of any crime.

02:31:57.000 That's why I said be peaceful.

02:32:00.000 Because Trump was always calling for supporters.

02:32:02.000 He also called for them to fight like hell and Giuliani said... Fight like hell means for our freedom and our vote and our country.

02:32:07.000 Okay, and people can say things that they don't mean in order to... Hey, when you go to a high school football game, a pep rally, and the cheerleaders go, fight, fight, fight, fight!

02:32:17.000 Trial by combat?

02:32:18.000 That doesn't mean anything either?

02:32:20.000 That's a legal term.

02:32:22.000 I think the thing that's most instructive to see what Donald Trump wanted to happen that day is that when he sat down and he watched the violence unfolding on TV, when he saw the people fighting with cops, when he got notification that Ashley Babbitt had been shot, Donald Trump did not take steps to stop the violence that day.

02:32:38.000 Instead, him and Giuliani made phone calls to senators and congressmen trying to get them to stall the vote.

02:32:42.000 What do you guys think ethically about people in politics telling people to go fight?

02:32:48.000 You find it to be misleading?

02:32:50.000 Look, we're not a neutered population.

02:32:53.000 I mean, I have Democrats.

02:32:55.000 During the impeachment for this, they shut it down when finally Trump put a five-minute video on of Democrats saying, attack them at grocery stores, attack them at gas stations, attack.

02:33:03.000 We need civil insurrection.

02:33:06.000 What do we think about the term battleground state?

02:33:10.000 Yeah.

02:33:11.000 You know, it's... The problem is not... This is typical political rhetoric.

02:33:14.000 No, it's the context.

02:33:15.000 Yeah, it's not... Yeah, go ahead.

02:33:17.000 Nobody is upset because Donald Trump said, fight like hell.

02:33:20.000 People are upset because for months or years, really even in 2016, Donald Trump has consistently attacked and undermined the electoral process with absolutely no good reason, from no foundation, and that he had the chance to.

02:33:34.000 He was a Russian agent and set the deep state on him for the four years of his administration. 0.68

02:33:39.000 Is there any evidence Trump's a Russian agent?

02:33:44.000 No, but that's why he wasn't convicted or charged of any crimes for it.

02:33:46.000 No, but they were the ones saying that the American voters were manipulated by the Russians.

02:33:51.000 Was he charged with crimes?

02:33:52.000 Wait, wait, Alex, was he charged with a crime for that?

02:33:54.000 Hillary is currently saying...

02:33:56.000 I'm about to stand up, just so you know, and that would be good TV.

02:34:21.000 But I'm not gonna do it.

02:34:22.000 Well, he won't stop!

02:34:23.000 And I will dominate!

02:34:24.000 I can't even finish the statement!

02:34:25.000 What we need to do... And you don't answer questions!

02:34:26.000 Guys, what we need to do... No, I do answer questions!

02:34:28.000 Listen to me for a moment!

02:34:30.000 We are!

02:34:31.000 ...that we don't speak over each other.

02:34:32.000 What we do is we listen to each other, take turns.

02:34:33.000 It becomes way better time.

02:34:34.000 Well, I have a question for you.

02:34:35.000 I agree.

02:34:35.000 Well, can I finish my statement and get it right to the audience?

02:34:38.000 Is it okay that Hillary is on TV this week, three times I saw, saying Trump's gonna steal the election?

02:34:43.000 Oh my gosh.

02:34:43.000 It's not even worth anybody's time.

02:35:06.000 to listen to this what a headache how about but still you know what's funny though is that adam is still the cringiest one even though it's so annoying like destiny and alex jones are the two most annoying people in the debate somehow adam is the cringiest i just want to replay that part when he yelled listen to me

02:35:28.000 Even Darren.

02:35:29.000 Why wasn't Trump indicted?

02:35:31.000 Guys, guys, guys.

02:35:32.000 Alright.

02:35:34.000 I'm about to stand up, just so you know, and that would be good TV, but I'm not going to do it.

02:35:38.000 Well, he won't stop, and I will dominate.

02:35:40.000 What we need to do, guys, what we need to do is listen to me for a moment.

02:35:47.000 That we don't speak over each other.

02:35:48.000 What we do is we listen to each other, take turns.

02:35:50.000 It becomes way better.

02:35:51.000 Well, I have a question for you.

02:35:51.000 I agree.

02:35:52.000 Boy, can I finish my statement here right to the end?

02:35:54.000 Is it okay that Hillary is on TV this week, three times I saw her, saying Trump's gonna steal the election?

02:35:59.000 Hillary is— Why is she allowed to? 1.00

02:36:00.000 Rent-free in your head right now.

02:36:02.000 The problem with Trump's speech— Oh, rent-free!

02:36:04.000 No, no.

02:36:04.000 Why can Democrats say it, but Republicans can't?

02:36:07.000 You keep trying to change the subject.

02:36:08.000 I'm not changing the subject.

02:36:09.000 Hillary shouldn't be saying that. 0.82

02:36:10.000 I agree.

02:36:11.000 Hillary shouldn't be saying that. 0.82

02:36:12.000 Who is she? 0.99

02:36:12.000 She's a private citizen. 0.99

02:36:14.000 But I think you're allowed to say people are in a still election, whether you're right or wrong.

02:36:17.000 That's why Trump isn't being charged for it.

02:36:18.000 Trump, you said it yourself, he's not being charged with incitement.

02:36:20.000 He's not being charged with insurrection.

02:36:23.000 But that has nothing to do with him saying a particular thing.

02:36:26.000 Did Joe Biden try to get the votes certified for Hillary Clinton?

02:36:32.000 Did Hillary Clinton try to force Joe Biden in 2016 to certify the electoral votes? 0.92

02:36:38.000 No, because the landslide was so big.

02:36:41.000 The lands- Biden had a pretty big landslide.

02:36:44.000 Wait, hold on.

02:36:44.000 What do you mean the landslide was so big?

02:36:45.000 Didn't Hillary win the popular vote? 1.00

02:36:46.000 Hillary won the popular vote.

02:36:48.000 And Biden won by more than a landslide.

02:36:51.000 The narrative collapsed right before our eyes.

02:36:52.000 So Trump didn't win the 2016 election.

02:36:54.000 What?

02:36:55.000 Trump didn't win.

02:36:55.000 No, which one? 2016.

02:36:58.000 Uh, he didn't win the popular vote.

02:36:59.000 With Russian help, right? 0.95

02:37:00.000 He didn't win the popular vote.

02:37:01.000 No.

02:37:02.000 From the evidence I've seen, he had a huge landslide.

02:37:04.000 They tried to steal it with illegal alien voters, but it's still Trump is so big.

02:37:07.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

02:37:07.000 We're not all privy to the election that exists in your head. 0.87

02:37:09.000 I know.

02:37:10.000 There's no illegal aliens.

02:37:10.000 The voices that talk to you don't give us the same kind of information.

02:37:13.000 Democrats are never voting.

02:37:13.000 The rest of us on Earth don't get elections.

02:37:14.000 We're being downed from the mothership.

02:37:16.000 We gotta go by what people in reality say.

02:37:17.000 I'm so sorry.

02:37:18.000 Here we go.

02:37:19.000 people know you're wrong the states with the illegals are getting more california just got six more congressional senators we need you to come up and rise up there it is i'm tied down there's no invasion you guys no border you guys think that there was federal involvement here or there was that what the the extent of it was on january 6th look at the way he's standing

02:37:43.000 Look at his shoes, dude.

02:37:45.000 Look at his shoes.

02:37:47.000 What are those?

02:37:50.000 This is terrible, dude.

02:37:51.000 He... What are you doing, dude?

02:37:54.000 Bro's getting up in his gym shoes and his, uh... Bruh... And the way he's standing in the whole getup, like, bruh, what is this debate?

02:38:14.000 At least like Alex Jones and Destiny.

02:38:16.000 Okay, that's refreshing actually.

02:38:18.000 At least Alex Jones and Destiny are doing a thing.

02:38:21.000 Like they're doing blood sports, over-the-top, you know, shouting match.

02:38:26.000 And the Krasensteins and Darren Beatty, they're a little more intellectual.

02:38:30.000 This guy's just like, what are you doing?

02:38:34.000 Jimi Hendrix concerts down the hall to the left.

02:38:36.000 Okay, Bob Dylan.

02:38:39.000 Blues festival or whatever.

02:38:41.000 You know, that's in a totally different room.

02:38:43.000 I don't know what the outfit is.

02:38:46.000 I don't know what that whole look is about.

02:38:48.000 He's jumping out of his seat screaming.

02:38:50.000 That's like the worst aspect of it.

02:38:54.000 I think there are probably federal agents undercover.

02:38:56.000 Do I think that federal agents committed crimes and led people into the Capitol?

02:39:02.000 Absolutely not.

02:39:03.000 And there hasn't been any case brought by any of these 700 convicts

02:39:08.000 We're good.

02:39:29.000 Let me tell you, we're not playing clips for tit-for-tat here, but everybody's gonna, I want everybody on X to get these statements and put all the clips of women putting onions in their eyes and the cops fake arresting people and high-fiving and saying, I'm a federal agent, I just helped run the attack.

02:39:45.000 They're gonna string all these videos out.

02:39:47.000 So here's the thing.

02:39:49.000 Like Brian said, there's probably some informants on the ground.

02:39:51.000 I think one of the Proud Boys, one of the ladies in the Proud Boy was an informant. 0.88

02:39:56.000 So she was on the ground.

02:39:57.000 She didn't go into the Capitol building, I don't believe.

02:40:00.000 The problem is, with what Alex does, is he pushes these conspiracy theories.

02:40:04.000 These ideas that illegal aliens were voting. 0.59

02:40:06.000 There's no evidence of that.

02:40:08.000 I think with the illegal alien voting thing is what's happening is they're coming in and then they're being counted in the census which then adds more electoral votes.

02:40:16.000 Okay.

02:40:16.000 It gives more congressional districts.

02:40:18.000 That's fair.

02:40:19.000 He didn't even know that!

02:40:20.000 Didn't I say that earlier?

02:40:21.000 Didn't I say that he obviously doesn't know how the census works?

02:40:25.000 Because like 90 minutes ago in this seemingly endless debate, Alex Jones said that illegals are coming and they're being counted in the census and he said, well but that's different than them voting.

02:40:39.000 And I said, well, he may not realize that every 10 years when they conduct the census in the following election, they reapportion the Electoral College votes and the seats in the House of Representatives, because the House and the electors are according to population.

02:40:54.000 And here we are 90 minutes later, the moderator clarified and he goes, oh yeah, yeah, oh that's fair.

02:40:59.000 He didn't know!

02:41:01.000 That's how little these people know.

02:41:04.000 They don't know anything.

02:41:06.000 You know, we got Destiny on a lot of pretty incredible things over the past month or two.

02:41:12.000 But that's pretty wild.

02:41:13.000 It seems that nobody on that side of the panel even knew that that's how the census works.

02:41:18.000 And I know that's not, like, obvious.

02:41:20.000 I know probably a lot of you guys didn't know that.

02:41:23.000 I'm just gonna take a wild guess.

02:41:25.000 You know, this is a pretty educated crowd.

02:41:27.000 Rumble is a lot of political people.

02:41:29.000 Political people, I think, tend to know about these things.

02:41:33.000 But it's not obvious.

02:41:34.000 If no one's ever told you that, you might not even think of it.

02:41:36.000 Maybe you knew it deep down, but maybe not really.

02:41:39.000 But they don't know.

02:41:40.000 Like, they have no idea what they're talking about.

02:41:42.000 I said that earlier.

02:41:43.000 I was like, they can't possibly not know.

02:41:45.000 They don't.

02:41:47.000 Might be happening, I haven't been there.

02:41:48.000 But in our country, they're not voting.

02:41:50.000 There are indictments of illegals everywhere voting.

02:41:52.000 Got them again. 0.99

02:41:52.000 Hit them hard. 0.99

02:41:53.000 Hit them hard. 1.00

02:41:54.000 They're not voting. 0.99

02:41:54.000 That's a conspiracy theory. 0.99

02:41:56.000 Like two people?

02:41:57.000 Maybe five?

02:41:57.000 A bunch of cities have passed laws where illegal aliens can vote.

02:42:00.000 No, they haven't.

02:42:01.000 Not in the federal elections.

02:42:05.000 Oh, the illegals are voting in elections though?

02:42:06.000 Not in the federal ones.

02:42:07.000 I know that some cities try to have them voting in, like, local matters.

02:42:10.000 I don't know how many of those are successful.

02:42:11.000 Illegal aliens shouldn't be voting, okay? 1.00

02:42:14.000 But they're not.

02:42:14.000 They're not voting in federal elections.

02:42:16.000 I don't know why you would care though.

02:42:18.000 Why would you even care?

02:42:18.000 That's a conspiracy theory, Alex.

02:42:20.000 Come on.

02:42:20.000 There are going to be a hundred million views of you guys.

02:42:24.000 X is going to eat you guys alive.

02:42:25.000 I'm glad. 0.97

02:42:25.000 I can't wait for it. 0.97

02:42:27.000 I don't know why you care about illegals voting when you think Trump can just flip the whole election anyway.

02:42:30.000 Who cares?

02:42:31.000 He can just ask Pence to throw it all out and do whatever.

02:42:33.000 I would have thought no, but...

02:42:35.000 See, again, with this unilateral business, he doesn't understand...

02:42:51.000 No, Trump was exploring every option.

02:42:53.000 The main thing he wanted was a 10-day investigation.

02:42:55.000 No, Trump wanted Pence to throw out the election to declare him the winner.

02:42:58.000 Imagine if Trump would stay alive.

02:43:00.000 No, but what?

02:43:01.000 No.

02:43:01.000 He didn't want Pence to throw it out and make him the winner.

02:43:05.000 The legal theory was that if Pence didn't read votes from states that were contested,

02:43:10.000 And that would have been challenged by the Supreme Court.

02:43:12.000 That interpretation of the Constitution, that Mike Pence has the authority to do that, it would be challenged and the Supreme Court would have decided.

02:43:34.000 But to say, well, he wanted Mike Pence to throw it out and make him the winner, that's not what the theory was.

02:43:41.000 And even if you don't agree with the theory, that's a legal remedy.

02:43:44.000 It's just like with removing Trump from the ballot.

02:43:47.000 You may not agree with that, but it's technically legal for the Secretary of State to say he's ineligible according to some law.

02:43:54.000 That's not an insurrection.

02:43:56.000 That's a legal theory.

02:43:58.000 There's ambiguity in the Constitution.

02:44:00.000 That's why we have a Supreme Court. 0.99

02:44:02.000 So that they interpret what the Constitution means.

02:44:04.000 Because the Constitution governs this process.

02:44:08.000 This stuff is not that complicated.

02:44:10.000 Like, I don't believe Joe Biden can be on the ballot.

02:44:12.000 Imagine if federal judges— And that would go to court, and the courts can decide that.

02:44:16.000 What would Republicans be doing right now— Biden hasn't said that.

02:44:19.000 Biden hasn't said that.

02:44:20.000 If Republicans were trying to take— Trump spent four years saying Obama shouldn't go on the ballot.

02:44:24.000 I mean, what are you going to say?

02:44:25.000 If Republicans were trying to take Joe Biden on the ballot right now, what would you say?

02:44:30.000 Let the Supreme Court decide.

02:44:31.000 It depends on how they're going to do it.

02:44:33.000 Even this conservative Supreme Court, I'd say let them decide.

02:44:36.000 Let's find Glenn Greenwaldi.

02:44:37.000 Yeah, we should.

02:44:38.000 But, Darren, you've been ahead of us.

02:44:39.000 Why would Republicans have an impeachment committee right now?

02:44:42.000 Darren, what's on your brain right now?

02:44:43.000 Because I'm looking at you thinking.

02:44:46.000 Well, I can attempt to answer the question about...

02:44:49.000 Federal involvement, as my reporting at Revolver News is largely responsible for changing the national conversation in that direction.

02:44:59.000 And notice they first threatened to sue you.

02:45:00.000 I'm going to leave you in a minute. 0.98

02:45:01.000 Take a piss. 0.91

02:45:02.000 They first threatened to sue you. 0.90

02:45:04.000 Now they've indicted Epps.

02:45:05.000 You've been vindicated.

02:45:06.000 In fact, I have a video.

02:45:07.000 This is about Ray Epps.

02:45:08.000 You just mentioned, Alex.

02:45:09.000 It's clip number three, and it's about 25 seconds long.

02:45:12.000 We're going to play this, and then, Darren, I want to hear what you're about to say.

02:45:17.000 If a grown man has to get up two times in like an hour and a half or two hours to pee, I mean, he's drunk, right?

02:45:25.000 I mean, who else needs to go up and pee that often?

02:45:28.000 Or maybe he's just going to take a cigarette break or something.

02:45:31.000 Tomorrow, we need to go into the Capitol!

02:45:34.000 Into the Capitol!

02:45:35.000 No!

02:45:36.000 No!

02:45:40.000 Peacefully!

02:45:41.000 Fed!

02:45:42.000 Fed!

02:45:43.000 Fed!

02:45:44.000 Fed!

02:45:45.000 Tomorrow,

02:45:47.000 I don't even like to say it because I'll be arrested.

02:45:49.000 Well, let's not say it.

02:45:49.000 We need... We need to go... I'll say it.

02:45:52.000 Alright.

02:45:53.000 We need to go in... Shut the fuck up, Boomer. 1.00

02:45:55.000 ...to the Capitol. 1.00

02:45:57.000 Oh, well wait, Ray Epps didn't do anything because he said peacefully at the end, right?

02:46:00.000 We didn't move past him.

02:46:01.000 Well, no, he said go into the Capitol.

02:46:04.000 But he said peacefully.

02:46:05.000 Well, so what?

02:46:06.000 It's still illegal to go into the Capitol.

02:46:08.000 I thought peacefully was the operative word.

02:46:09.000 Yeah, I thought peacefully made it all okay.

02:46:11.000 No, going in is illegal.

02:46:13.000 Trump didn't say storm the Capitol.

02:46:15.000 He didn't say go into the Capitol.

02:46:16.000 You're right, he's gonna get six months in prison, so.

02:46:19.000 No, I mean, you guys want to hear the argument for federal involvement or not?

02:46:23.000 Sure, go for it.

02:46:24.000 Not really.

02:46:25.000 Okay.

02:46:25.000 I want to hear it.

02:46:26.000 These three guys are so... And notice, by the way, how they turn into smarmy faggots when it's three versus one. 1.00

02:46:32.000 When Alex isn't there and, you know, their lips were quivering and... By the way, look at... I just noticed, look at the physiognomy. 0.99

02:46:39.000 Look at this guy's face.

02:46:41.000 He tell me they're not vampires?

02:46:43.000 I'm talking about Jewish people.

02:46:45.000 So notice that when Alex is there, they're on their best behavior.

02:46:50.000 I mean practically they're shaking. 0.96

02:46:52.000 Alex leaves and suddenly they get fucking smartass and they say, oh so now it's about... Obviously that's different. 0.97

02:46:59.000 Any intelligent person can see what Darren is saying. 0.99

02:47:02.000 All right.

02:47:02.000 Well, there's a lot of dimensions to it.

02:47:05.000 We can start with the Ray Epps issue.

02:47:09.000 Here's a guy, you saw that, that was only part of the clip.

02:47:11.000 There's much longer clips about re-ups.

02:47:14.000 But here's a guy who's the only guy caught on camera as early as January 5th.

02:47:19.000 Repeatedly calling for people to go into the Capitol and prefacing his seemingly rehearsed remarks in each case, saying, I'm probably going to go to jail for this.

02:47:29.000 I'm probably going to get arrested for this.

02:47:31.000 I need to go into the Capitol.

02:47:33.000 The next day, he flew across the whole country, presumably to go hear Trump's speech.

02:47:38.000 He skipped Trump's speech.

02:47:39.000 Instead, he was a veritable Where's Waldo, everywhere on January 6th, directing people, go into the Capitol.

02:47:46.000 It's in that direction.

02:47:47.000 That's where our problems are.

02:47:50.000 Then, amazingly, he's prepositioned right at that initial decisive breach point on the west perimeter of the Capitol, and he's whispering into somebody's ear just seconds before the bike racks are broken through.

02:48:05.000 He texts his nephew.

02:48:06.000 I orchestrated it.

02:48:08.000 On paper, think about it.

02:48:10.000 He's like a 6'3", former Marine, who was wearing camo gear and a Trump hat, and he just happens to have had a leadership position in the Oath Keepers, the most demonized and heavily prosecuted... He used to, right?

02:48:22.000 He doesn't anymore.

02:48:23.000 He used to.

02:48:23.000 The most demonized and heavily prosecuted militia group associated with January 6th.

02:48:30.000 And the regime doesn't touch him.

02:48:33.000 However, initially his behavior was considered to be so egregious he was one of the first 20 people added to the FBI's most wanted list about January 6.

02:48:43.000 He was prominently featured in the New York Times's ominously titled

02:48:48.000 Day of rage.

02:48:49.000 Of all the clips the New York Times could have found and chosen, they chose Ray Epps to represent their thesis that this was a pre-planned insurrection to storm the Capitol.

02:49:01.000 And then, when the discussion of federal involvement came in to be,

02:49:04.000 One of our major pieces at Revolver News, literally the next day is when the FBI quietly removed him from their list.

02:49:13.000 And all of a sudden, he went from FBI's most wanted and featured in the New York Times' Day of Rage to New York Times does a fully dedicated puff piece on him.

02:49:24.000 60 Minutes does a sympathy segment on him.

02:49:27.000 He's the only January 6th participant that Adam Kinzinger, who's never met a Trump supporter, he doesn't want to see rotting in jail for 50 years, that Adam Kinzinger will defend more aggressively than Epps' own lawyers.

02:49:41.000 And now, almost three years after,

02:49:46.000 The government finally says, OK, we're going to hit you with a wrist-slap misdemeanor, as though people are so simple-minded to think, well, if the argument hasn't been indicted, therefore he's a fed, if we indict him now, even if it's a misdemeanor, even three years after, no matter what the circumstances, this constitutes a refutation and totally wipes away the mountains of suspicious evidence surrounding the character of Reyebs.

02:50:12.000 That's just, that's just the case of Epps.

02:50:14.000 There are many other things.

02:50:15.000 Can I just touch on that real quick?

02:50:16.000 Sure.

02:50:17.000 So you mentioned he, you mentioned a few things I want to touch on.

02:50:21.000 So you talked about how he whispered in somebody's ear and moments later that guy went in the Capitol.

02:50:25.000 That was Mr. Samsel.

02:50:26.000 Samsel.

02:50:27.000 That's right.

02:50:27.000 And Mr. Samsel actually testified under oath.

02:50:30.000 I believe he is convicted.

02:50:32.000 He said that Epps actually said, told him, calm down, the police are on our side.

02:50:36.000 Well, he's changed his story.

02:50:38.000 I don't, I wouldn't rest.

02:50:40.000 Did you, did you write the original Revolver article?

02:50:42.000 Yes.

02:50:42.000 Okay, thank you.

02:50:43.000 Okay, I set aside three days to go over Ray Epps stuff and it took me six hours to see. 0.98

02:50:46.000 It was one of the stupidest conspiracies I've ever seen in my entire life. 0.98

02:50:48.000 So, the other thing I just want to... Yeah, go for it. 0.99

02:50:51.000 So, you said that he didn't get convicted and he didn't get charged until...

02:50:59.000 Just recently.

02:51:00.000 Okay.

02:51:01.000 So, the people who were charged with anything but misdemeanors were people who used violence, and people who went into the house chamber where the joint session was, and the people who were involved in a seditious conspiracy.

02:51:18.000 It had to be a conspiracy.

02:51:19.000 Ray Epps acted alone here.

02:51:21.000 Well, no.

02:51:22.000 That's an open question.

02:51:25.000 As far as we can see, he acted alone.

02:51:28.000 Anything else beyond that would just be a conspiracy theory.

02:51:31.000 So, he falls into the same category.

02:51:34.000 Well, seditious conspiracy is technically a conspiracy theory.

02:51:37.000 It doesn't mean that it's not true, right?

02:51:38.000 No, seditious conspiracy is a charged conspiracy theory.

02:51:41.000 It's a theory of the case.

02:51:42.000 A theory that there is a conspiracy that took place.

02:51:45.000 So, he doesn't fall into any category that any of the other protesters fall in because he didn't fall into any of those three categories.

02:51:53.000 So, he got charged with misdemeanor.

02:51:55.000 Other people, the conspirators,

02:51:57.000 The people who use violence and the people who went into the House chamber are the ones who are charged with felonies.

02:52:03.000 For the Ray Epp stuff, if you look at his story from start to finish, it is incredibly obvious the guy is a boomer.

02:52:08.000 The guy was a huge Trump supporter.

02:52:10.000 He used to be part of the Oath Keepers a while before.

02:52:12.000 That's what he testified to under oath.

02:52:14.000 He used to be part of the Oath Keepers years earlier than he'd left.

02:52:17.000 I think it was the Arizona chapter.

02:52:19.000 Ray Epps went

02:52:34.000 Let's go, we're marching to the Capitol.

02:52:38.000 That was before the speech.

02:52:40.000 He's telling people in advance of the speech we need to go to the Capitol because somehow he got it in his mind that everything would end up at the Capitol.

02:52:46.000 I'm pretty sure he's doing it as Trump is making the speech, not before the speech has begun.

02:52:52.000 Before the speech began, there are timestamps on the video.

02:52:56.000 We can go back and watch it.

02:52:57.000 The revolver story is up there.

02:52:59.000 For every single thing that you assert about him, that he's in video whispering into a guy's ear, you say it in the rest of your article, all he's doing on the day of, when the protesting is getting violent, is going up and down telling people, don't fight with the cops.

02:53:10.000 Don't fight with the cops.

02:53:11.000 The cops are on our side.

02:53:11.000 That's what he's saying the entire time.

02:53:13.000 The idea that he said that the entire day, but the one guy whose ear that he whispered into, that unfortunately we don't have audio capture of, that he and Samseel testified to, is he said, hey,

02:53:23.000 We're good to go.

02:53:49.000 If you want to say that, why was he removed from the FBI list?

02:53:52.000 I mean, why was he removed from the FBI list?

02:53:53.000 Like, all the information is out there.

02:53:55.000 He said that after his video was identified, and people on X started to identify him, and then because all of his online stuff is incredibly easy to find, he started to get phone calls, he started to get harassed, he started to get threats, so he called the FBI as soon as this was brought to his attention, and he told the FBI, hey, this was me, and here I am, and this is what's happening, and the FBI took him off the list.

02:54:12.000 No, wrong.

02:54:13.000 Your timeline is wrong.

02:54:15.000 He called the FBI when he saw himself in the videos.

02:54:19.000 Wrong.

02:54:20.000 Yeah, a friend told him about it and he's that yeah, that's what that's what he said.

02:54:25.000 That's what he testified.

02:54:27.000 He called the FBI very shortly after January 6th because of his picture being on the most wanted list.

02:54:36.000 He wasn't taken off the most wanted list until the middle part

02:54:41.000 That's not true.

02:55:01.000 For some reason, you assumed that the recent snapshot that you took at 2021, you think that that was the first time the page has been changed.

02:55:08.000 That was just the first time the page has been archived.

02:55:10.000 I don't think the FBI has made a statement on it, but what Epps testified to was that he either saw a video of himself or a friend saw a video of himself or a friend saw him on the list and then people were making videos and then he called the FBI and he said, hey, I need to talk to you and this is what's going on.

02:55:23.000 If he was a Fed, why would they remove him from the list when everybody's clearly looking at the list?

02:55:26.000 He was one of the only people removed.

02:55:28.000 Why would senators be defending him so vigilantly?

02:55:30.000 That's a great question.

02:55:31.000 Why was he quietly removed right when the question of federal involvement became a major part of the national conversation?

02:55:39.000 I don't want to get lost in these weeds.

02:55:41.000 I just want to say something quickly.

02:55:43.000 So you're saying he said we need to go into the Capitol.

02:55:47.000 Peacefully.

02:55:48.000 And you point out correctly that in many instances caught on video, he's engaged in what you could call de-escalation of the crowd and he's not urging people to violence.

02:55:58.000 That's all correct.

02:55:59.000 I never said he's urging people to violence.

02:56:01.000 He was absolutely a provocateur and his mission as stated and as implemented and as orchestrated by his own verbatim text was he wanted people to go into the Capitol

02:56:15.000 Peacefully.

02:56:16.000 That might be the case.

02:56:17.000 Wait, that might be the case.

02:56:18.000 And if that's all you're saying... It's not all!

02:56:20.000 No, that's everything!

02:56:22.000 That's everything!

02:56:23.000 Nobody here is saying that he didn't say that and he didn't want people to do that.

02:56:27.000 But the claim is that there's some sort of... That's illegal!

02:56:30.000 That's fine!

02:56:31.000 He can be charged for it.

02:56:32.000 Do you think anybody here cares if he gets charged for that crime?

02:56:34.000 The issue is you're saying that he was doing it under the direction of a federal agency.

02:56:38.000 The 6'3 guy that looks like he's dying of type 2 diabetes and arthritis is somehow some intimidating marine captain that's sending people into the capital.

02:56:45.000 That was your claim that you provided zero evidence for and you don't in either of the articles that you write about him.

02:56:50.000 We got Glenn Beck on the horn.

02:56:51.000 Glenn, we've been talking about Ray Epps.

02:56:53.000 We played a video.

02:56:53.000 I'm not sure if you saw it.

02:56:54.000 Not Glenn Beck.

02:56:55.000 I mean, I only heard the last four minutes of the conversation, but I'm still always amazed by... I really don't understand the argument because...

02:57:15.000 The FBI in the U.S.

02:57:17.000 security state before January 6 was saying that they regard the greatest threat to national security not as being ISIS or Al Qaeda or Hamas or Hezbollah or China or any other foreign threat.

02:57:29.000 They regard the greatest threat as being right-wing domestic extremists, in whom that was included on many lists, the Oath Keepers, the Three Percenters,

02:57:40.000 And all of the people in the groups that they said orchestrated January 6th.

02:57:46.000 Is the argument that you think that the FBI was not monitoring and infiltrating those groups?

02:57:52.000 Because there's actually a ton of evidence that the FBI had their hooks in all three of those groups.

02:57:57.000 And not only had their hooks in them, but on January 6th had informants on the ground who were pretending to be Trump supporters who were talking in real time to the FBI about everything

02:58:08.000 So I just want to understand what the claim is.

02:58:10.000 Is the claim that the FBI was not involved in the groups that organized January 6th and didn't have informants with them that day?

02:58:16.000 They weren't instigating.

02:58:17.000 That's your claim.

02:58:18.000 It came out that the vice president of the Oath Keepers was an FBI informant.

02:58:24.000 The Proud Boys had at least three and as many as eight and the New York Times itself reported that there were

02:58:31.000 We're good to go.

02:58:46.000 Yeah.

02:58:47.000 Brian, you wanted to say something?

02:58:48.000 Yeah, so I'm just confused.

02:58:49.000 So you're saying that Ray Epps was actually a federal agent who was indicted, who pled guilty, and is likely going to get six months in prison?

02:59:01.000 Is that your argument?

02:59:01.000 Well, the New York Times protects him.

02:59:03.000 Wait, wait, wait.

02:59:04.000 About Epps, you know, so a couple of things there.

02:59:07.000 You don't find it a little bit strange?

02:59:10.000 Wait, wait, wait.

02:59:11.000 I'll get to you.

02:59:11.000 I promise you.

02:59:12.000 I promise you I'll address that.

02:59:13.000 But let's just consider the context.

02:59:16.000 The context in the immediate aftermath of January 6th, by the words of Steve Sherwin, who was in charge of the prosecution, their posture was one of quote-unquote shock and awe.

02:59:27.000 They were going after everyone.

02:59:29.000 They were hitting them very hard.

02:59:31.000 Now again, think about central casting.

02:59:34.000 On paper, Ray Epps, he's the 6'3", former Marine in camouflage gear with a Trump hat, the only guy caught on video as early as the 5th telling people to go into the Capitol, who's there on the 6th.

02:59:47.000 Directing people to the Capitol, who's right there pre-positioned at that initial breach phase.

02:59:53.000 And this, and, and, and... Helping ram signs.

02:59:56.000 Exactly.

02:59:57.000 And he happens to be a former head of the Oath Keepers.

03:00:00.000 And you're not telling me it's bizarre?

03:00:02.000 Wait a second.

03:00:03.000 You're not telling me it's at least a little bit bizarre that of all January 6th participants, he's the only one who gets a New York Times puff piece.

03:00:11.000 He's the only one who gets a 60, uh, 60 minutes sympathy segment.

03:00:15.000 He's the only one that Adam Kinzinger

03:00:17.000 We'll defend.

03:00:39.000 Definitive in the sense that, oh, I don't think he was working directly for the FBI.

03:00:43.000 I don't even know if he was directly working for the federal government.

03:00:46.000 He was an asset.

03:00:47.000 He was acting on behalf of a third party.

03:00:49.000 He was not an authentic actor on that day.

03:00:53.000 That I will say with a great deal of confidence.

03:00:55.000 But wait a second.

03:00:56.000 It's a victory.

03:00:57.000 Let me say one thing.

03:00:58.000 I've been gone for 10 minutes.

03:00:59.000 It's a victory they went from saying he's an angel, CNN, MSNBC, New York Times.

03:01:04.000 He's perfect.

03:01:06.000 Let him talk! 0.72

03:01:07.000 Let Darren talk!

03:01:09.000 Alex, quick thing on that.

03:01:10.000 The criminal complaint acknowledges that he engaged in, quote-unquote, felonious behavior.

03:01:18.000 But among the mitigating factors that they cite is, oh, this poor guy was a victim of all these conspiracy theories.

03:01:25.000 It's pretty remarkable.

03:01:26.000 Well, he was, though.

03:01:27.000 He was.

03:01:27.000 He absolutely was.

03:01:28.000 Why don't you answer me?

03:01:29.000 Why were people writing

03:01:35.000 I want to just quickly answer the question about your question.

03:01:39.000 Basically, if he was an asset, why did they go after his own their own asset?

03:01:43.000 Why would they indict their own asset?

03:01:45.000 That happens all the time.

03:01:46.000 In fact, that's almost the norm that ultimately when they have undercover people, they'll indict them just when the assets become liabilities, they indict them.

03:01:56.000 In fact, we don't have to go too far into the past to get a case of that.

03:02:00.000 There is the Michigan Fed napping case.

03:02:02.000 We need a better argument.

03:02:03.000 I want to get my point in really fast.

03:02:04.000 I haven't been able to get my point in.

03:02:28.000 So you're saying that Ray Epps is a federal agent?

03:02:32.000 Well, I didn't say that.

03:02:33.000 I said he was acting on behalf of a third party. 1.00

03:02:35.000 You know, at the end of the day, these guys are just dumb. 1.00

03:02:39.000 The three on the left. 1.00

03:02:41.000 And I've been noticing that more and more, is that their entire argument is a confidence game. 1.00

03:02:46.000 Because they're just dumb. 1.00

03:02:47.000 They didn't listen to all that. 0.99

03:02:49.000 I mean, Darren just said, while I'm not confident necessarily that he was an agent or an informant, he said that he was not an organic actor.

03:03:01.000 So you're saying he's a fed?

03:03:02.000 Like, did you not hear that part?

03:03:05.000 Do you not understand the distinction?

03:03:06.000 But an inauthentic actor on January 6th.

03:03:08.000 Even though there's no evidence of this.

03:03:10.000 And then you're saying he's turning around... There's no evidence.

03:03:14.000 It's like...

03:03:14.000 And he's suing Fox News for defamation, which is going to open up all sorts of cans of worms with discovery that he's going to have to provide legally in front of a court.

03:03:27.000 You think that if he was a federal agent, he'd be suing Fox News for defamation?

03:03:31.000 They know they control the jurisdiction, but he did say in a text message that day during it, I orchestrated the attack.

03:03:37.000 You think he's gonna sue for defamation?

03:03:39.000 He was bragging to his nephew that he was there.

03:03:43.000 And he said, I orchestrated it.

03:03:44.000 He said, I orchestrated it.

03:03:45.000 To his nephew.

03:03:46.000 To his nephew.

03:03:49.000 Why would a federal agent text such incriminating evidence to his nephew?

03:03:53.000 Why wasn't he indicted before?

03:03:55.000 We made him the centerpiece of that congressional hearings.

03:03:58.000 He was all over the news.

03:03:59.000 They were forced to do it thanks to Tugger Carlson and Professor Darren Beattie's work.

03:04:04.000 Wait, why do you trust Tugger Carlson when he said he lied to you?

03:04:08.000 Tucker Carlson said Sidney Powell was crazy.

03:04:10.000 Tucker Carlson left Fox News because he didn't believe the election fraud claims, that he was being forced to push on TV because of Trump.

03:04:16.000 Why would you trust Tucker Carlson, of all people?

03:04:17.000 Tucker, early on, thought it was wrong.

03:04:19.000 Now he says he was wrong about that.

03:04:21.000 Now he says he thinks the elections are crazy.

03:04:23.000 Let me answer your question about the discovery.

03:04:26.000 When a lawsuit goes away, the answers change.

03:04:28.000 Listen, whether you're right or wrong, you have a right to question the elections.

03:04:31.000 The Democrats do all the time.

03:04:33.000 No one wants to take that right from you.

03:04:34.000 Brian, you were saying?

03:04:35.000 Yes.

03:04:36.000 I didn't say that.

03:04:37.000 I didn't say that.

03:04:37.000 It was me.

03:05:02.000 We're good.

03:05:17.000 But you have no evidence

03:05:45.000 You're just making theories up.

03:05:47.000 By the way, if I can just add a nice little colorful detail there.

03:05:51.000 The author of the Ray Epps puff piece that asked none of the questions that would get to the core of his involvement there.

03:05:58.000 Total puff piece, you can read it yourself.

03:06:00.000 The author of that, his previous work, includes the CIA authorized account of the Sinaloa cartel.

03:06:09.000 Yeah, the idea of the New York Times doing clean-up work for the deep states is insane.

03:06:14.000 What Glenn Greenwald was saying is key.

03:06:16.000 I remember the New York Times headline.

03:06:17.000 They can pull it up in there.

03:06:18.000 We're not showing videos or clips.

03:06:20.000 It would be too much here.

03:06:21.000 I remember the New York Times headline like 15 years ago.

03:06:24.000 97% of Islamic terror plots were hatched and run by the FBI.

03:06:29.000 That was the headline.

03:06:30.000 We're getting so far away from the point, though.

03:06:32.000 Including the first World Trade Center bombing, by the way, which is... Alex, Alex, Alex, just one really quick thing.

03:06:37.000 You said Ray Epps was one of the last to be charged.

03:06:41.000 He isn't the last to be charged.

03:06:43.000 There's 1,200 people that have been charged.

03:06:45.000 1,250, I believe.

03:06:45.000 Who said he's the last to be charged?

03:06:47.000 I didn't say that.

03:06:48.000 Alex said they waited three years.

03:06:49.000 Yeah, they waited three years.

03:06:50.000 That's insignificant.

03:06:51.000 Do you realize that they're still indicting people, and they expect that they're probably going to... They had puff pieces.

03:06:57.000 He was on ABC.

03:06:57.000 Let me finish my point, Alex.

03:06:59.000 Oh, my God.

03:07:00.000 So do you realize that they're still indicting people?

03:07:03.000 There's likely going to be hundreds of people still indicted.

03:07:05.000 Ray Epps didn't get any less a sentence than anybody else that did anything like him.

03:07:10.000 Well, first of all, they could have hit him with far more serious charges than they did.

03:07:14.000 He addressed me.

03:07:15.000 What charge do you recommend?

03:07:19.000 What charge would have been a fair charge?

03:07:21.000 I respond to what you said.

03:07:22.000 Let Alex respond.

03:07:23.000 I want to hear Darren's response.

03:07:24.000 My God.

03:07:25.000 The man is like a chicken with his head cut off for three days, including the day of the event, running around saying, go in the Capitol. 0.95

03:07:31.000 He's ramming signs into people. 0.96

03:07:33.000 He testifies, I orchestrated this attack.

03:07:36.000 He did not testify.

03:07:38.000 And then there was a Jan 6th committee.

03:07:40.000 They asked about this text message.

03:07:41.000 He said, I did that.

03:07:42.000 Yeah, the text.

03:07:43.000 He didn't testify that he orchestrated it.

03:07:44.000 No, he testified to the Jan 6th committee.

03:07:46.000 They sent the message to his nephew.

03:07:47.000 No, he testified.

03:07:48.000 No, he didn't.

03:07:49.000 That he orchestrated it to the Jan 6th committee?

03:07:52.000 You keep interrupting because you can't... I'm not telling the truth.

03:07:55.000 Listen, I'm Michael Jordan slamming on you.

03:07:57.000 And what's going to happen is, everybody's going to get this clip.

03:08:00.000 He testified to the Jan 6th committee.

03:08:02.000 They said, is this your text message?

03:08:04.000 Yes.

03:08:04.000 He said, yes.

03:08:05.000 I told my nephew I orchestrated it.

03:08:07.000 Now stop.

03:08:08.000 Let me finish my point.

03:08:10.000 Thank you for being honest with us.

03:08:13.000 You keep acting honest.

03:08:15.000 He said I orchestrated it.

03:08:17.000 You keep acting like my... He testified that he said to his nephew that he said that.

03:08:20.000 Yes!

03:08:21.000 In a text message.

03:08:22.000 There you go.

03:08:22.000 And he did orchestrate it.

03:08:23.000 He did testify.

03:08:24.000 So the point is to keep acting like my victory is a failure.

03:08:27.000 Where's the evidence that he orchestrated it?

03:08:29.000 I'd love to see that.

03:08:31.000 He said it!

03:08:32.000 To his nephew.

03:08:33.000 I text my friends things all the time that are embellishments.

03:08:37.000 Let me finish my point.

03:08:39.000 They're all over every major corporate channel saying this poor little baby, they're saying he was a fed or an operative or a provocateur for some NGO.

03:08:48.000 He didn't do anything wrong.

03:08:50.000 And when it got so obvious, they finally indicted him with a slap on the wrist.

03:08:54.000 And then you're sitting here saying he didn't testify.

03:08:57.000 He just testified.

03:08:59.000 Whoa.

03:09:00.000 No, he said he didn't testify that he orchestrated.

03:09:03.000 He testified that he sent that text to his nephew.

03:09:06.000 Daddy orchestrated it.

03:09:07.000 But no, then they asked him.

03:09:09.000 Alex, then they asked him if he actually orchestrated it.

03:09:12.000 What was his answer?

03:09:13.000 Uh, in the transcript, he said, uh, it wasn't that he orchestrated it.

03:09:19.000 So if I sent my message saying a bank is robbed, I robbed the bank.

03:09:22.000 Have you ever embellished a text message to anybody that you know?

03:09:26.000 Like you, like maybe not, maybe not you.

03:09:28.000 I can't see you doing that, but maybe.

03:09:30.000 Actually, I'm kind of understanding.

03:09:32.000 Yeah, Alex, you started bringing up a good point.

03:09:34.000 If I send a text message saying I robbed the bank, can I get charged with robbing a bank if I didn't do it?

03:09:39.000 Yeah, they got evidence.

03:09:40.000 Yeah, exactly!

03:09:42.000 Exactly!

03:09:42.000 They need the evidence!

03:09:43.000 And it's not like he's there saying go into the building.

03:09:45.000 They need the evidence!

03:09:45.000 It's not like he's there saying go into the... and ramming signs.

03:09:48.000 You're right.

03:09:49.000 He's not there saying go in for three days.

03:09:51.000 He's not there ramming signs.

03:09:53.000 You're right.

03:09:53.000 Ray Epps is innocent.

03:09:54.000 He's not there ramming signs.

03:09:56.000 Can we get back to my question?

03:09:58.000 So my question is... You guys are indefensible.

03:10:00.000 My question is, what should Ray Epps have been charged with?

03:10:03.000 What law did he break that, instead of what he was charged with, I think, was obstructing the proceeding?

03:10:09.000 Let me respond, let me respond.

03:10:10.000 No, he was not charged with that.

03:10:11.000 That's the interesting thing.

03:10:12.000 He was charged with what was it?

03:10:13.000 He was not charged with obstruction of an official proceeding, which would have been a very easy charge and a fairly typical felony charge given to us.

03:10:21.000 Exactly.

03:10:21.000 So wait, wait, let me answer this comprehensively.

03:10:25.000 So, first of all,

03:10:26.000 It's extremely strange, given how conspicuous and egregious and concentrated his behavior was, that he somehow was able to avoid the obstruction of official proceeding charge, number one.

03:10:41.000 Number two, there are even more serious charges they could have given him.

03:10:45.000 In fact, in the series of videos that we put out, there's one specific exchange he had with another guy.

03:10:51.000 He said, when we go in,

03:10:55.000 Leave this here.

03:10:56.000 We don't want to get shot.

03:10:58.000 So when we go in, leave this here, he's referring to that individual's bear spray.

03:11:03.000 That individual ends up going into the Capitol, committing violence, and doing a whole bunch of other things, and this is a bizarre case because this guy, who is super egregious, has to this day

03:11:15.000 Not fully been charged.

03:11:17.000 His case hasn't even gone to a district judge yet.

03:11:19.000 So the obstruction case... So let me give you a sense.

03:11:22.000 Let me give you a sense.

03:11:23.000 Because when we're evaluating these things, we have to compare them to standards applied to others.

03:11:28.000 Let me stop you. 0.95

03:11:29.000 You'll go next.

03:11:30.000 Dude.

03:11:30.000 What?

03:11:31.000 How?

03:11:31.000 Why dare him explain it?

03:11:46.000 Saying don't go in.

03:11:47.000 They charge him and in the charging documents say Owen's lying.

03:11:51.000 He doesn't work for Infowars.

03:11:54.000 That's in the charging documents, the sentencing documents.

03:11:56.000 The judge says I'm putting you in these months in federal prison because you just questioned the election again and gave three examples.

03:12:03.000 Owen spends months in a federal prison.

03:12:07.000 Why don't you talk about the deferred deferred agreement that he had in 2010?

03:12:11.000 No, I agree.

03:12:12.000 I will.

03:12:13.000 Code Pink runs around in protesting.

03:12:15.000 He put tape over his mouth when they were letting leftists run around and throw red paint in Congress.

03:12:19.000 And they said, sir, you can't do that.

03:12:21.000 And he agreed that he wouldn't do it.

03:12:23.000 And he did it.

03:12:24.000 And then he didn't protest.

03:12:25.000 He went there to cover it as a journalist.

03:12:27.000 He was in a restricted area, though.

03:12:29.000 No, he was on... Listen.

03:12:31.000 Listen, listen.

03:12:33.000 Owen is there with me saying, don't go in.

03:12:35.000 He agreed he would not protest.

03:12:37.000 He was there saying, don't go in the Capitol.

03:12:39.000 And you're not going to defend him going to prison.

03:12:41.000 But he pled guilty to everything that he got charged with.

03:12:44.000 Because it's a rigged DC court.

03:12:48.000 Or you could explain.

03:12:51.000 It's funny because the problem is on our side.

03:12:52.000 We've got testimony under oath.

03:12:54.000 We've got judicial rulings.

03:12:55.000 We've got jury trials.

03:12:56.000 We've got full videos.

03:12:57.000 Everybody's got the video.

03:12:58.000 We have all of these.

03:13:00.000 We have all of these pieces of evidence.

03:13:03.000 I can't finish a single statement.

03:13:05.000 Yeah, the problem is... Let me tell you something.

03:13:07.000 Sam, my reporter, deserves to go to jail for being there and trying to keep people from going to the building.

03:13:11.000 He pled guilty.

03:13:12.000 He had a deferment.

03:13:12.000 He pled guilty.

03:13:13.000 He did.

03:13:13.000 What do you do in a rigged D.C.

03:13:15.000 court?

03:13:15.000 Fight your case.

03:13:16.000 Yeah.

03:13:17.000 Oh, yeah.

03:13:17.000 Innocent fight.

03:13:18.000 If you have evidence that you're innocent, fight.

03:13:20.000 But there was no evidence because he broke the agreement that he signed, and then he pled guilty and said, I broke the agreement that I signed, and agreed to the sentence that the sentencing guy got.

03:13:29.000 And Trump should be on the run for office.

03:13:30.000 Also, this entire argument has been you, again, arguing for an insurrection, for a rebellion.

03:13:35.000 All we have, everything we have over here is actual testimony under oath.

03:13:38.000 Actual judicial rulings.

03:13:40.000 Actual rulings by judges.

03:13:41.000 Actual rulings by Supreme Court.

03:13:43.000 I can't finish this.

03:13:43.000 I have to go to the finish.

03:13:45.000 I gotta go to the finish.

03:13:46.000 I gotta go to the finish.

03:13:46.000 Let Destiny finish.

03:13:48.000 We can provide these-

03:13:49.000 We're good to go.

03:14:14.000 We're good to go.

03:14:34.000 When I defended Owen, you just said, here you are advocating for insurrection again, exact quote.

03:14:39.000 A guy saying, don't go in the Capitol as a reporter, and you don't even stand up for the First Amendment.

03:14:44.000 Do you trust the courts?

03:14:46.000 I love how much he hates Destiny.

03:15:09.000 If these are the people we have to fight, it'll be okay.

03:15:11.000 Ashley Babbitt, you're dehumanizing her?

03:15:12.000 Was she on meth?

03:15:13.000 I don't think she was one of the four that died from meth.

03:15:15.000 She died from the gunshot.

03:15:16.000 Did she deserve to be shown? 0.99

03:15:18.000 She was trying to climb into an area where federal agents were saying, if you climb in here, I'm going to shoot you. 0.97

03:15:21.000 Federal gods? 0.69

03:15:23.000 Federal gods?

03:15:23.000 I'm sorry, do federal agents not have the right to shoot people?

03:15:26.000 So you would have pulled the trigger on her.

03:15:27.000 You liked that.

03:15:27.000 If I was one of the federal agents there and I thought it was appropriate to do so, yeah.

03:15:31.000 Their job is to protect the people inside.

03:15:33.000 Do I like that?

03:15:35.000 No, you guys were the ones cheering on the other side of that.

03:15:38.000 You guys were cheering for it the entire time.

03:15:40.000 Wait, I want to know, what do we do if we don't trust the courts?

03:15:43.000 We don't trust the courts, we don't trust the president, we don't trust- Hey, does Julian Assange deserve to be in prison?

03:15:47.000 I'm not here to talk about Julian Assange or the rest of your friends, okay?

03:15:50.000 Tell me, what do we do if we don't trust- There's a reason he won't answer the question.

03:15:53.000 The reason why is because he answered rebellion and insurrection.

03:15:56.000 We are going to get back to-

03:16:00.000 I talked about Owen, who was there peacefully and said, don't go in, and he said, you're defending insurrection.

03:16:05.000 Everybody's gonna play that quote.

03:16:07.000 That's not true!

03:16:08.000 Okay, I think, and you know what, I agree.

03:16:10.000 I love him just dominating his space.

03:16:15.000 And doing this, like, freedom interrogation.

03:16:17.000 So you're gonna stand up for the First Amendment?

03:16:21.000 You like that, huh?

03:16:22.000 You like that? 1.00

03:16:23.000 You would have shot her? 1.00

03:16:24.000 You're sick. 1.00

03:16:25.000 What about Julian Assange?

03:16:32.000 He really is funny, but you do got to give him credit he is funny like he is hilarious when he goes Destiny goes so you don't trust the courts.

03:16:43.000 I think most Americans don't that's when real revolution So you're in favor of revolution hey, you don't want to go there pal cuz you'll lose like This guy's this guy's a maniac

03:16:56.000 I think claiming that that is a defensive insurrection is different.

03:16:59.000 You were defending, maybe, Owen?

03:17:00.000 Yes!

03:17:01.000 That's so good.

03:17:02.000 Now, I want to get back to Darren, because there was a question that was... He's a beast.

03:17:05.000 We took a tangent.

03:17:06.000 And also, Glenn, I think you look like you're about to say something, so if you wanted to speak first... Yeah, Darren, go ahead first, just to close the re-eps thing, but I do want to say something as well about what I've been hearing.

03:17:15.000 That was good.

03:17:17.000 I'm fine.

03:17:18.000 What charges do you think he should have gotten?

03:17:20.000 Oh, I think he could and should have gotten far more serious charges.

03:17:24.000 The first example is the easiest and most readily available obstruction of official proceeding, which is basically the standard charge for people who have done far less egregious things.

03:17:34.000 No, but it really isn't, though, because the only people charged with that, I believe, are the people who went into the House chamber.

03:17:39.000 No.

03:17:40.000 The people that walked through the Capitol did not get charged with that.

03:17:44.000 First of all, that's not the case.

03:17:45.000 And second of all, that's not an ironclad law.

03:17:48.000 That's not an ironclad law pertaining to the application of that charge.

03:17:53.000 Secondly, there's a far more serious conspiracy charge that the government had available to them if we use the standards that they've applied in similar January 6th cases.

03:18:03.000 It was way worse!

03:18:04.000 Way worse than Joe Biggs or Stuart Rhoades.

03:18:07.000 I mean he's literally, we're Stuart Rhoades saying invade the Capitol.

03:18:10.000 We're Stuart Rhoades attacking people or ramming signs.

03:18:13.000 Ray Epps did that.

03:18:14.000 Stuart Rhoades literally said that if Trump doesn't impose the Insurrection Act that we need an insurrection and he said storm the Capitol and he went into the Capitol and he hurt police officers.

03:18:27.000 Any call for people to... Joe Biggs did.

03:18:30.000 Joe Biggs went into the Capitol.

03:18:31.000 What did Joe Biggs say?

03:18:34.000 Either Joe Biggs or Stuart Rhodes.

03:18:35.000 Stuart Rhodes did not do that.

03:18:37.000 No, one of them.

03:18:38.000 I forget which one it was.

03:18:40.000 Joe Biggs.

03:18:41.000 He said that.

03:18:42.000 You don't even know what I'm going to say.

03:18:44.000 He deserves a year in jail.

03:18:46.000 You don't know what I'm going to say though. 0.98

03:18:47.000 One of them called for people to defend the White House and shoot to kill the National Guard or any other authorities.

03:18:55.000 Let me just answer really quickly. 0.64

03:18:56.000 Let me say something.

03:18:57.000 Mr. Rhodes did say that on air, and I told him he was wrong to his face.

03:19:02.000 So I'm going to be honest.

03:19:03.000 Before it happened, he did say, if Trump calls us out for a civil war, I was like, dude, I'm not for this on air.

03:19:10.000 You're right.

03:19:10.000 That's right.

03:19:11.000 I agree.

03:19:12.000 There's a lot of rhetoric on both sides.

03:19:13.000 That's true.

03:19:13.000 You wanted an example of somebody who didn't go into the Capitol who got obstruction from the official proceeding?

03:19:18.000 Yeah.

03:19:18.000 Thomas Caldwell.

03:19:20.000 That's one of many.

03:19:20.000 What did he do?

03:19:21.000 I'm not familiar.

03:19:22.000 I'm going to be honest.

03:19:23.000 Stuart Rhodes did say what he just said.

03:19:28.000 So I mean, if you put that together with the planning, him and bigs were planning on two different ends.

03:19:40.000 One oath keepers, one proof they planned it.

03:19:42.000 Well, if you look at the telegram, an undercover reporter, undercover agent recorded the conversation in the garage.

03:19:47.000 But have you looked at the telegram messages where they're basically instructing people where to go and where they're at?

03:19:53.000 And that saying, hey, we stormed the Capitol.

03:19:56.000 We took the Capitol.

03:19:57.000 Yeah, there's no doubt there was LARPing without Trump's directives of some people talking about that.

03:20:03.000 Wait, why don't we trust their messages, but we do trust Ray Epps bragging to his nephew that he orchestrated it?

03:20:07.000 No, I just said they were talking about it.

03:20:10.000 We're going to go, yeah, Glenn.

03:20:12.000 Let's let Glenn finish this one off because then I have another question for you guys.

03:20:16.000 Yeah, the whole thing, like listening to them, honestly it's like listening, I don't mean to be insulting, I'm just saying this, you know, it's what it sounds like, like 7th graders who are in civics class and have this understanding of how the U.S.

03:20:26.000 government works, like, oh, the FBI investigate, and they discover crimes, and then they go to the courts, and the courts are very honest, and the courts are apolitical, and the courts make rulings,

03:20:36.000 Everything that has happened in January 6th, and you can even look at the people they picked and choose who to expand the law, the people who ended up getting prosecuted on felony counts, even though they were nonviolent, had these incredibly novel interpretations of law that were used against them to turn nonviolent demonstration and nonviolent political protest into felony by taking this

03:20:57.000 We're good to go.

03:21:14.000 We're good.

03:21:34.000 Then you're going to end up with this image of what the three of them have, which is this idea that this was one of the worst attacks in American history.

03:21:41.000 The courts have ruled everything the government did in this case is consistent with their long-standing view before January 6th, that these groups are criminal groups.

03:21:50.000 They need to be criminalized.

03:21:51.000 Trump's movement is a threat to the United States, and the entire part of January 6th was designed to define them as an insurrectionary movement so that they could criminalize them, which is exactly what they're doing.

03:22:00.000 We don't have the money!

03:22:01.000 Owen didn't have the money for a criminal trial.

03:22:02.000 890 convictions are guilty please.

03:22:03.000 Two acquittals.

03:22:04.000 Two.

03:22:04.000 890 to two.

03:22:04.000 How many of those were accused of violence?

03:22:06.000 I believe 170 or so were for violence.

03:22:25.000 A tiny, a tiny number, a small percentage.

03:22:28.000 Yeah, and the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court is and they should be.

03:22:31.000 They're non-violent.

03:22:33.000 Let Glenn talk.

03:22:33.000 Go ahead.

03:22:34.000 You understand that usually what happens in the United States with non-violent protesters or even with violent protesters is they don't get charged with anything.

03:22:42.000 A tiny percentage of people who use violence throughout all of the Black Lives Matter protests ended up in jail because the ideology in which they were protesting was one that was considered positive and friendly.

03:22:53.000 It's not the same, though.

03:22:54.000 Let me just back up, Len, briefly, and I'll shut up.

03:22:56.000 I'll take a five-minute break.

03:23:12.000 Well, let me finish.

03:23:13.000 It's not the same to compare Black Lives Matter protesters and protesters who entered the Capitol building during the certification of the election.

03:23:22.000 Those are not... Democrats have bombed the U.S.

03:23:24.000 Capitol.

03:23:25.000 Democrats have bombed it.

03:23:26.000 They burned down courthouses and burned down police stations.

03:23:29.000 And they had within them people who were insurrectionary.

03:23:32.000 And they got charged, as they should have.

03:23:34.000 They got charged.

03:23:35.000 There are plenty of them that were charged.

03:23:38.000 There are plenty that were charged.

03:23:39.000 Can I just say one thing?

03:23:40.000 I'm going to say one thing.

03:23:41.000 I'm going to take a break here.

03:23:42.000 Yeah, we're actually all going to be taking a short five minute break.

03:23:45.000 I'm just going to say this right now.

03:23:48.000 Ladies and gentlemen.

03:23:50.000 We saw billions of dollars of stuff burned down.

03:23:52.000 We saw all the killings.

03:23:53.000 And we never said all Democrats are involved in that.

03:23:56.000 Biden gave a speech yesterday that was Hitlerian, in my view.

03:23:59.000 Literally saying everyone in DC was a terrorist.

03:24:01.000 How did we get there? 0.84

03:24:02.000 They're all bad.

03:24:03.000 How?

03:24:03.000 You can't vote for Trump.

03:24:05.000 We're taking him off the ballot.

03:24:06.000 America's going into martial law to stop him.

03:24:09.000 Our republic is in danger.

03:24:11.000 I got the transcript right here.

03:24:12.000 Yeah, click the button where he says that.

03:24:14.000 Everyone in DC's a terrorist?

03:24:15.000 That's a Biden direct quote?

03:24:16.000 Is that Hunter Biden or Joe Biden?

03:24:18.000 I know you love Hunter, but the point is, this was a hysterical diatribe.

03:24:23.000 This is dangerous.

03:24:24.000 So Alex, what if instead of the Capitol is the White House and there's thousands of people at the White House fence and they push through the fence, do you think those people deserve more of a criminal penalty than people that were rioting in

03:24:40.000 I don't know, L.A.?

03:24:42.000 No, I mean, if it turns out they were under the directive of a foreign power... No, no, it was just a bunch of Americans.

03:24:48.000 Do they kill a cop? 0.52

03:24:49.000 It's the crime they're committing.

03:24:50.000 If a bunch of Americans, when Trump was in the White House, stormed the White House fences... With guns.

03:24:54.000 With weapons, and made it past... Oh, like Ashley Mabin got shot?

03:24:57.000 No, no, made it past the fence... The Trump supporter shot Ashley Mabin, okay.

03:25:01.000 Made it past the fence, and they were at the doors of the White House.

03:25:05.000 Do you think that they would act?

03:25:07.000 When Trump asked for the National Guard to stop that, Milley said no.

03:25:11.000 Trump didn't ask for the National Guard.

03:25:12.000 He didn't ask for the National Guard.

03:25:13.000 Milley's on record saying, I threaten to resign if Trump puts troops... That was for January 6th.

03:25:18.000 That wasn't January 6th.

03:25:19.000 That was weeks before.

03:25:20.000 You just said about the White House.

03:25:22.000 Yeah, but nobody... See, I'm giving you specifics.

03:25:24.000 Nobody was actually... I'm giving you specifics.

03:25:26.000 Did anybody cross police barricades into the White House?

03:25:29.000 You know what I saw was the police, after a little bit of a fight, opened the doors and waved people in, and a bunch of... They didn't wave people in.

03:25:36.000 Oh my God, everybody.

03:25:42.000 There's no hundreds of clips of people waving people through the door.

03:25:46.000 What I saw were people breaking the windows, climbing through broken windows, unlocking multiple doors, and letting other people in.

03:25:53.000 Once in, police were forced to basically de-escalate the situation and make sure that the Congress people were protected.

03:26:01.000 At that point, they were outnumbered 10 to 1, the Capitol Police, to the rioters.

03:26:05.000 At that point,

03:26:06.000 The Wall Street Journal said I was cowardly on top of a car, commanding people to invade.

03:26:09.000 But thank God Jack Postobig

03:26:23.000 Because I didn't have a Twitter then.

03:26:24.000 Put the video out of me saying don't go in.

03:26:26.000 I got through in the middle of it.

03:26:27.000 I'm glad you didn't.

03:26:28.000 And you made the right decision.

03:26:29.000 When you're there with 300,000 people, it's a million in town, and they don't even know what's happening in front of them.

03:26:34.000 They're being guided in.

03:26:35.000 A lot of those innocent people that just walked to the Capitol have been sent to prison.

03:26:39.000 I don't know about you guys, I don't want to do that.

03:26:41.000 Once in the chat if you want to see me react to the questions that they'll...

03:27:08.000 I can't believe this is still going on.

03:27:09.000 I started streaming at 8 o'clock.

03:27:11.000 We've been doing this for 3 hours.

03:27:15.000 It feels like we've been doing it for 50 hours.

03:27:18.000 One's in the chat if you want to see me do the questions, two if you don't.

03:27:22.000 I don't want to.

03:27:23.000 I just don't even want to.

03:27:24.000 Straight up.

03:27:24.000 It's painful.

03:27:34.000 A lot of people are tuning in now.

03:27:35.000 I'll keep having this debate all day long.

03:27:37.000 Yeah, we might keep going.

03:27:38.000 But what do you think about the prison sentences in general that these people have been getting?

03:27:42.000 I think they're completely overblown and they're, you know, it's consistent with what we're talking about.

03:27:47.000 This amplification of January 6th into this false domestic terrorist act.

03:27:53.000 And, you know, the stakes.

03:27:55.000 What are the stakes involved?

03:27:57.000 The reason it's being amplified in this fashion is to justify the further weaponization of the national security apparatus against Trump supporters and to suppress the energies associated with Trump's movement.

03:28:09.000 Therefore, you have these crazy sentencing. 0.98

03:28:11.000 I think they're all crazy.

03:28:12.000 Even those top sentences for the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, 20 years, 18 years.

03:28:19.000 It's simply insane when you think about, you know, again, all of it has to be comparative.

03:28:25.000 Are people guilty of murder who get less prison time?

03:28:29.000 And the self-described, self-professed posture of the DOJ in the immediate aftermath of January 6 is one of shock and awe, which ominously, but kind of unwittingly accurately,

03:28:43.000 Um, recalls the Iraq war and the war on terror. 0.59

03:28:47.000 This is, this is not an accident.

03:28:50.000 It's very fitting that the Department of Homeland Security is the tip of the spear when it comes to this repurposing of the national security apparatus.

03:28:58.000 It was the Department of Homeland Security that said white supremacy is the number one national security threat and by white supremacy they mean Trump.

03:29:07.000 All of these people have also said January 6th was a white supremacist

03:29:12.000 Insurrection.

03:29:13.000 Hillary Clinton has said that MAGA is a white supremacist slogan.

03:29:17.000 So that helps to contextualize and clarify what they mean when they say white supremacy is the number one national security threat.

03:29:26.000 And so basically these people, even the people who committed illegal acts,

03:29:32.000 Are in effect political prisoners because of the political context of these prosecutions, which are vastly overblown and could only make sense within this political context of the weaponization, not only of the national security state, but unfortunately now also the legal apparatus.

03:29:51.000 Let's go on the line with Glenn again and then all you guys, but I just want to say something.

03:29:55.000 This is important, folks.

03:29:57.000 In June of 2021, Biden put out a national security memorandum, which you just mentioned, saying

03:30:03.000 Right-wing extremism is the number one threat.

03:30:05.000 Then he defined that as white supremism and then said, questioning open borders, questioning elections, questioning lockdowns, questioning four shots.

03:30:14.000 That's in the report.

03:30:15.000 I've shown it hundreds of times on air.

03:30:17.000 Literally declaring the people an enemy.

03:30:19.000 Then he gives a speech with this red background with Marines.

03:30:22.000 I thought I was watching Adolf Hitler. 0.86

03:30:24.000 And then yesterday he gives a speech saying, they're taking over, they're a danger, we're at war, all off a riot at the Capitol.

03:30:30.000 At best, it's a riot, and obviously provocateur.

03:30:33.000 So this is a branding of 80 million voters plus as a political enemy.

03:30:40.000 This is extremely totalitarian, extremely dangerous.

03:30:44.000 And I was there.

03:30:45.000 I know.

03:30:46.000 You're in a crowd of hundreds of thousands.

03:30:49.000 Your tear gas is coming down.

03:30:50.000 You can't even see what's happening at the Capitol.

03:30:52.000 You're saying, don't go in there.

03:30:53.000 We've got a stage.

03:30:55.000 I go there.

03:30:56.000 There's a stage.

03:30:56.000 No one there.

03:30:57.000 I mean, we were set up.

03:30:59.000 And I was set up, and thank God that I waited 30, 40 minutes.

03:31:03.000 I didn't know what to do.

03:31:04.000 I was like, this is weird.

03:31:05.000 How do I lead a crowd that's already left?

03:31:07.000 I was there.

03:31:09.000 And so all I'm saying is this is not the basis to indict populist Americans and say they're terrorists.

03:31:20.000 And if the U.S.

03:31:21.000 government spent the equivalent of $10 trillion, you know, they spent a trillion in Afghanistan of real current numbers.

03:31:28.000 We're good to

03:31:49.000 Yeah, I think this is really the nub of everything.

03:31:50.000 Like I really do think

03:32:12.000 That three of them actually believe what they're saying.

03:32:14.000 I'm not like actually realizing this.

03:32:16.000 And the reason they believe it is because they don't know the history of the war on terror.

03:32:19.000 They don't know the history of the Cold War.

03:32:21.000 They don't know what the CIA and the FBI and the U.S.

03:32:24.000 security state have been constructed to do and the role that they played in our domestic politics. 0.64

03:32:28.000 Every single time that there's some new crisis, the CIA, the FBI, the permanent power faction in Washington, and it's not like some crazy conspiracy theory Dwight Eisenhower warned a bit on his way out of the presidency in 1961 when he called it the military-industrial complex because he had seen how it was growing beyond all democratic accountability.

03:32:47.000 Every time what they need to do is convince somebody to be scared of something, to be scared of communism, to be scared of terrorism, to be scared of domestic terrorism, and they convince people that some minor event, relatively speaking, in the history of the threats to our country, like the 9-11 attack, which is a terrible thing, but they exaggerated wildly the threat of foreign terrorism to basically institute the Patriot Act and

03:33:10.000 We're

03:33:36.000 We're good to go.

03:34:11.000 Biggs, Steward Rose, and Enrique Tarrio, they were sentenced to some of the harshest sentences out of all the January 6ers.

03:34:20.000 Who was the judge?

03:34:21.000 It was a Trump-appointed judge, Timothy Kelly.

03:34:24.000 Now, if you look at the worst convictions, the ones that received the largest sentences,

03:34:31.000 80% of them were actually under the sentencing guidelines.

03:34:36.000 80%!

03:34:39.000 These people didn't receive sentences that were any more harsh than anybody else in other crimes.

03:34:47.000 And these were people sentenced

03:34:49.000 From a Trump judge.

03:34:51.000 A Trump-appointed judge.

03:34:52.000 So, you're all saying that, oh, the courts are rigged against conservatives or Trump supporters.

03:35:00.000 But these are Trump judges.

03:35:01.000 Many of these were Trump judges that actually charged these, not charged these people, but sentenced these people.

03:35:08.000 I think that if we want to talk about knowing history and understanding history and contextualizing history, I think if we want to run with that argument, then we need to do real journalist work while we do it.

03:35:17.000 It's not enough to say the FBI or the CIA has done this 10, 20 years ago and then blindly assert it every single time it happens to fit whatever political narrative you want to tell.

03:35:26.000 If you want to tell a story, the person telling the story needs to find evidence to support it.

03:35:30.000 Sure, if you want to say the FBI or the CIA or any other domestic agency has been involved in spying on Americans or doing bad things, that's fine.

03:35:36.000 We all know that it's happened.

03:35:37.000 That doesn't mean that you don't have to find evidence in the future of it happening.

03:35:40.000 And so far, there was no evidence of it happening on January 6th.

03:35:44.000 As many times you want to throw around the follow politics before 2016 or whatever.

03:35:48.000 Well, we're in 2024 right now.

03:35:49.000 Find some information from today or find some information from January 6th to today.

03:35:53.000 It's not enough to just keep appealing to the past and pretend like that's going to do your homework for you and that somehow you can make all of these accusations without having any real evidence.

03:36:00.000 As far as this claim of like there are novel uses of charges or people don't do charges like this, as we said over here, like most of the sentences have been within sentencing guidelines.

03:36:08.000 A lot of these have been done with a Trump-appointed judge.

03:36:10.000 The idea that these charges are novel, that people don't face prosecution like this, there's some element of truth to that, but this is also a novel situation.

03:36:17.000 We have never had a president in the United States try to resist the peaceful transfer of power like this.

03:36:22.000 This has just never happened before.

03:36:23.000 And you can keep screaming about Hillary Clinton and you can keep screaming about BLM all you want and talk about the blown up fire stations and the congressional halls. 0.66

03:36:30.000 The reality is that none of those situations were like this one.

03:36:32.000 If you want to keep appealing to those and saying those people should have been charged with crimes, we agree they should have been charged with crimes.

03:36:36.000 But to even do the whataboutism, you have to already concede that you are wrong on all of the merits about the current people you're talking about.

03:36:42.000 Every single time we talk about Donald Trump, you go, well, what about when Hillary Clinton or Biden did it?

03:36:46.000 Oh, OK, then you admit that Trump did?

03:36:48.000 Because if you want to admit that Trump is guilty of every single thing that we've been accusing him of, which is what you're doing when you go, what about the other guy?

03:36:53.000 Because it seems like you're just trying to appeal to hypocrisy at that point, rather than the fact of the matter.

03:36:57.000 Then do that.

03:36:57.000 Say, yeah, Trump did try to cite an insurrection.

03:36:59.000 Yeah, Trump did fail.

03:37:00.000 Yeah, it was a riot.

03:37:01.000 I don't know why you keep saying it.

03:37:02.000 Well, let me ask you this.

03:37:03.000 No, don't ask me this.

03:37:04.000 Let me finish my one point one time without being interrupted by you.

03:37:07.000 I do not begin running back because you heard me talking.

03:37:09.000 You had to interrupt me.

03:37:09.000 I know you came running back and you were so excited for it.

03:37:12.000 I don't understand this rhetoric of mostly peaceful riot.

03:37:15.000 Yeah, it was mostly peaceful.

03:37:16.000 A lot of riots that have right aspects to have a lot of peaceful people there and a 10,000.

03:37:20.000 It's not always 10,000 people writing.

03:37:22.000 It might just be 100 people writing or 1000 people writing.

03:37:25.000 The reality was they were all there was one event on January six of the Capitol building.

03:37:29.000 That event was a riot.

03:37:30.000 Okay, so let me let me just add some context here.

03:37:33.000 Well, they had three trials in Michigan and one of them.

03:37:35.000 It was a mistrial.

03:37:36.000 They let most of them off another.

03:37:38.000 They finally got a few convicted.

03:37:39.000 It came out in court.

03:37:41.000 That the Feds went and found a bunch of basically homeless potheads, and just like Glenn was saying in the New York Times article, but they were more accurate, 97% of Islamic plots were hatched by the FBI, including the first World Trade Center bombing, and they admit all that. 0.84

03:37:55.000 And I've interviewed the people involved, Ahmad Salam, all of them, that knew they were going to do the bombing.

03:37:58.000 He came and said, why have I cooked a real bomb?

03:38:00.000 And they let it go forward.

03:38:02.000 With Whitmer, the same team involved in January 6th from the FBI went and set these people up and that came out in the mainstream news.

03:38:10.000 So we know they, this isn't, you guys were saying, we don't want to go back to 10 years ago.

03:38:14.000 You know, I've sat there for six, seven minutes, you know, out there smoking a cigarette while you're just going on and on, acting like you're being censored.

03:38:20.000 You're like, there's no example recently of them doing something corrupt or bad.

03:38:24.000 Never said that.

03:38:33.000 This is a great point that Alex is making.

03:38:35.000 You don't need to go back to the original war on terror.

03:38:39.000 You don't need to go back to the ample antecedents that exist going way back into our nation's history.

03:38:47.000 Just go back to the mission case.

03:38:49.000 The parallels to January 6th are striking.

03:38:52.000 Almost half of the so-called plotters turned out to be either informants or federal agents.

03:38:59.000 One of those federal agents had to recuse himself from the trial because he beat his wife on the way home from a swingers party.

03:39:07.000 The second one had to recuse himself because he was moonlighting in his private security firm and leaking details of investigations in which he was involved.

03:39:15.000 But in every single, it wasn't just that there were informants.

03:39:19.000 Every active step instrumental to this so-called plot was undertaken by one of the informants or one of the agents.

03:39:27.000 One of the informants, as I mentioned him, Steve Robeson, in the context of does the government ever burn its own informants?

03:39:34.000 Almost all the time.

03:39:35.000 How many of the BLM riots were instigated by FBI?

03:39:38.000 What?

03:39:38.000 How many of the BLM riots were instigated by our own intelligence agencies?

03:39:41.000 Well, they had agents in there.

03:39:43.000 In fact, one of the guys, Sullivan, one of the guys, Jake Sullivan, he had a very complicated relationship.

03:39:49.000 Antifa basically excluded him because of his relationship with the government, and they thought he was a Fed.

03:39:55.000 Absolutely, the Feds infiltrate BLM.

03:39:58.000 Why is it that when BLM

03:40:22.000 BLM pro-rioters, I guess you could say, aren't arrested as much as you want. 0.85

03:40:27.000 Like, you know, you say the January Sixers were arrested at a much higher rate than the rioters.

03:40:33.000 That's true.

03:40:33.000 Okay.

03:40:34.000 How come you don't say that?

03:40:35.000 And much more property damage as a result of BLM.

03:40:38.000 So here's the thing, though.

03:40:40.000 Why don't you accuse those who aren't prosecuted for those riots of being federal agents?

03:40:46.000 Well, in some cases, they probably are.

03:40:48.000 But at that scale, it's hard to... Maybe they just have more there.

03:40:50.000 How do you know?

03:40:51.000 If you want to go conspiracy theory, I mean, let's touch all the bases.

03:40:56.000 But, I mean, Michigan is on record.

03:40:59.000 Can I interject?

03:40:59.000 First, the idea, again, that for the FBI to be infiltrating these groups is a conspiracy theory, again, requires an understanding of the FBI that's childlike.

03:41:11.000 And what Destiny was saying before is, oh, we're just using what they've done in the past and therefore concluding they must be doing that in the future.

03:41:17.000 He just ignored all the evidence we've been presenting for the last two hours, including the fact that the FBI, by their own admission, had informants in all three of the leading groups that organized January 6th and were talking to informants on the ground at

03:41:28.000 Who is the head of the FBI?

03:41:32.000 As far as the January 6th defendants are concerned, it is true that they're getting sentences similar to what people get when they're charged with felonies.

03:41:45.000 The point is that it is insane that non-violent protesters are being charged with felonies in the United States.

03:41:52.000 That is what never happens.

03:41:54.000 And pointing to Black Lives Matter is not to say

03:41:57.000 Oh yeah, that's whataboutism, so we're admitting that this was an insurrection and that is true.

03:42:01.000 The point is that what the government is doing, if you look at the disparate treatment between the two, is picking and choosing which movement they like ideologically and politically and which they don't, and punishing much more severely the one that they don't, which is what January 6th is about.

03:42:17.000 Going into the Capitol building, going into the Capitol building with weapons saying, hang Mike Pence, hang Mike Pence.

03:42:23.000 No, that's not a violent crime, but are you saying that that doesn't warrant a felony conviction? 0.85

03:42:28.000 That's absurd.

03:42:28.000 People are actually calling for the hanging of the Vice President of America.

03:42:33.000 I'm gonna be honest.

03:42:34.000 I'm gonna be honest.

03:42:36.000 No, no, Alex, hold on one second.

03:42:37.000 The majority of people who were charged with felonies in January 6th are non-violent offenders.

03:42:43.000 What did they do, Glenn?

03:42:44.000 What did they do?

03:42:47.000 They created an interpretation of the law that was enacted after Enron that was designed to criminalize accountants from obstructing fraud at the corporate level.

03:42:55.000 What did they do?

03:42:56.000 Every single... The meaning of it is to mean that if it's a non-violent protest, any non-violent protest now at the Capitol, you'll be charged with a felony.

03:43:03.000 You understand that?

03:43:04.000 You're glossing over the facts.

03:43:06.000 You're glossing over the facts, Glenn.

03:43:09.000 People get six-month sentences. 0.98

03:43:11.000 People get six-month sentences for going in the damn thing, being waved at by police. 0.96

03:43:16.000 No, but here's the facts. 0.97

03:43:18.000 The people who got the felonies were either violent, they were taking part in a conspiracy, or they went into the House chamber.

03:43:25.000 Those are the people who got it.

03:43:27.000 The people who walked into the Capitol building- That's not true.

03:43:29.000 It is true.

03:43:29.000 No, it's not.

03:43:30.000 Look it up.

03:43:30.000 It absolutely is true.

03:43:31.000 Google it.

03:43:32.000 I just gave you a specific example earlier.

03:43:34.000 So, conspiracy?

03:43:34.000 Conspiracy?

03:43:35.000 Give me an example.

03:43:36.000 What did he do?

03:43:36.000 Thomas Caldwell.

03:43:37.000 What did he do?

03:43:38.000 He was not violent, and he did not go into the Capitol.

03:43:40.000 What did he do?

03:43:43.000 What was his conviction?

03:43:46.000 Let's talk about Thomas Caldwell for a minute.

03:43:51.000 To Glenn's point, keep in mind that when you're saying that BLM wasn't treated the same because of the government, you're not just alleging the federal government at that point, you're alleging every single state government and city municipality that's in charge of arresting people are all on the same page.

03:44:05.000 Almost all of us in D.C.

03:44:07.000 Wait, the feds are in charge of prosecuting everybody in every state?

03:44:10.000 Thomas Caldwell was part of the seditious conspiracy.

03:44:14.000 He was part of the conspiracy by the Oath Keepers.

03:44:16.000 That's why he got charged with a felony.

03:44:19.000 When Black Lives Matter happened, every single blue state mayor and every single blue state governor weighed in on the side of the writers because they were petrified of being demonized as being racist if they didn't support everything the Black Lives Matter movement did.

03:44:33.000 So yes, the Black Lives Matter movement had corporations.

03:44:36.000 The reality of our government that you don't understand.

03:44:59.000 No, no.

03:44:59.000 The reality of our government that you don't understand is that police orders don't come down from the federal government or even from the governors.

03:45:05.000 Policing is done at the municipal level.

03:45:07.000 The idea that governors are dictating... No, it's federal.

03:45:09.000 This is all... This is federal.

03:45:10.000 No, the BLM rights are not all federally prosecuted.

03:45:12.000 These are state crimes that are happening within states.

03:45:13.000 Oh, the city's a better bunch of money.

03:45:14.000 That are happening within states.

03:45:15.000 The idea that the governors themselves are dictating the policing policies to all of these different departments?

03:45:24.000 Where is the evidence of any of that?

03:45:25.000 One message, one email, one memorandum, one thing saying don't arrest protesters, don't convict them.

03:45:31.000 Not a single shred of evidence.

03:45:32.000 How much do you love the police state?

03:45:34.000 Why do you suddenly love it?

03:45:36.000 We're good to go.

03:45:57.000 Let me ask you this.

03:45:58.000 Let me ask you this.

03:45:59.000 Let me ask you this.

03:46:00.000 I'm asking you this and everybody.

03:46:02.000 Please answer my question.

03:46:13.000 Is this as bad as Pearl Harbor?

03:46:15.000 Or is this as bad as 9-11?

03:46:16.000 And all I'm telling you is, is, is this, this Biden announcement that currently, currently, the number one threat is the Trump supporters and Trump must be taken off the ballot.

03:46:29.000 You can punt to the Supreme Court, but they're literally trying to preclude Americans for voting for who they want.

03:46:35.000 That's the election theft and our face.

03:46:37.000 How much longer, dude, how much longer is this?

03:46:40.000 It's still live.

03:46:40.000 It's still going on.

03:46:41.000 We're like hours behind.

03:46:42.000 It's still going on.

03:47:08.000 It hasn't even ended yet.

03:47:10.000 We're like hours behind and it's still alive.

03:47:11.000 No, it's a seditious conspiracy.

03:47:13.000 That's a felony he was charged with.

03:47:14.000 I want to see what they're talking about right now.

03:47:35.000 I don't want to lose my spot, but I also want to see what... The CIA authorized... It's still going on!

03:47:40.000 Dude, this is insane.

03:47:44.000 We're like two hours behind.

03:47:48.000 And it's still live.

03:47:49.000 ...of the Sinaloa cartel.

03:47:51.000 The idea of the New York Times is doing clean-up work for the deep state is insane.

03:47:56.000 What Glenn Greenwald was saying is key.

03:47:58.000 I remember the New York Times headline.

03:47:59.000 They can pull it up in there.

03:48:00.000 We're not showing videos or clips.

03:48:02.000 It would be too much here.

03:48:04.000 Okay, no, they must be replaying it or something.

03:48:08.000 They must be doing an encore performance of the debate because we heard that an hour ago.

03:48:20.000 Yeah, so they started an encore performance two hours ago.

03:48:23.000 Okay.

03:48:23.000 High energy, fast- I just want to see- Criminal proceeding for Trump.

03:48:28.000 They weren't interested in getting to the bottom of the questions.

03:48:31.000 Guess any- It looks like we are.

03:48:32.000 Okay, so we're nearing the- Biden's entire campaign is January 6th.

03:48:37.000 Not inflation, not war with Russia, not open borders.

03:48:40.000 I mean, give me a break, man.

03:48:42.000 We had a million plus people there.

03:48:44.000 A few hundred got in fights with the cops, and you act like it's the biggest thing since

03:48:48.000 It's a pretty big deal when a president tries to overturn a legitimate election.

03:48:52.000 That's a really big deal.

03:48:54.000 You had all your investigations and you lost every single one.

03:48:58.000 When you lose in court, you go to the next day.

03:49:03.000 Remember in 2016 when all the conservatives said, well you know what, if we would have lost the election, you know what we would have done the next day?

03:49:08.000 We would have went to work.

03:49:09.000 Well here you are four years later still crying about the outcome of the election.

03:49:12.000 So if Biden's going to win by a landslide, why are the Democrats not wanting him on the ballot?

03:49:16.000 I'm putting my heart into the Supreme Court to decide.

03:49:19.000 Can I just say what my dream is?

03:49:20.000 My dream is that Ed and Brian and Destiny have to actually live through a real coup so that they can then come back to the set and be like, oh my God, you know what?

03:49:29.000 I'm so sorry for saying that what happened in the Capitol for three hours against the most militarized and powerful government to ever exist in human history got anywhere near a coup or an insurrection.

03:49:40.000 A coup or an insurrection.

03:49:41.000 Let me say this and I'll shut up. 0.56

03:49:43.000 I will leave for 10 minutes.

03:49:44.000 I will leave.

03:49:45.000 Let me ask this one question to Glenn.

03:49:46.000 I want you all to answer this.

03:49:48.000 Humor me.

03:49:49.000 I agree.

03:49:50.000 Because Glenn is a really great writer.

03:49:51.000 I really respect him.

03:49:52.000 I've followed him for decades.

03:49:53.000 Can everyone describe a coup to me?

03:49:55.000 Because usually it's helicopters taking over media, killing the opposition, troops.

03:50:01.000 And then you're claiming women with American flags and being waved in by police as a coup.

03:50:05.000 So define to me, all of you first, and then Glenn, and then the professor, what is a coup?

03:50:12.000 Since this was the most devastating evil coup ever, explain to me.

03:50:15.000 A coup is when you enact a scheme to try to circumvent the peaceful transfer of power.

03:50:19.000 Like Ratzakou. 0.97

03:50:21.000 No, they didn't take any action.

03:50:23.000 They tried to remove him on a line.

03:50:25.000 There's nothing illegal done there to try and remove Trump.

03:50:28.000 The intelligence agencies censoring fake dossiers?

03:50:31.000 Oh, that was illegal?

03:50:34.000 Saying his election wasn't legitimate?

03:50:36.000 Did they try to remove him?

03:50:37.000 They took it to Congress.

03:50:38.000 Wait, wait, wait.

03:50:39.000 Hold on.

03:50:40.000 You admit then that Trump tried a coup and you think Russiagate was also a coup then?

03:50:43.000 No, no, no.

03:50:43.000 I don't agree Trump had a coup.

03:50:46.000 I'm asking you... I'm asking you... Do you know about Pinochet?

03:50:52.000 Do you know about Hitler?

03:50:53.000 Do you know about... Do you know about the... What is a coup?

03:50:55.000 You're the smart guy.

03:50:56.000 Stop.

03:50:56.000 No, no, no.

03:50:57.000 Define me a coup.

03:50:58.000 No, no.

03:50:58.000 Let's start with Glenn Greenwald.

03:50:59.000 Glenn, you're a well-respected journalist.

03:51:00.000 You look at coups around the world.

03:51:02.000 What do they usually look like?

03:51:16.000 I know, Destiny is now the incredible giant of journalism and the constitutional scholar I used to be, as Destiny said.

03:51:22.000 But anyway, a coup is generally when people in power or people who are trying to get into power marshal the force of the armed factions of that country and use it to eliminate the legal process and take over.

03:51:33.000 So for example, if Trump had called in the military on his side on January 6th, or he had gotten the military to block people from trying to remove him from office on January 20th, that is always what we say is a coup.

03:51:45.000 Nothing that looks like what happened on January 6th.

03:51:47.000 The other thing I just want to correct, Destiny- Couldn't we have said that like two hours ago?

03:51:52.000 Why didn't they say that at the beginning?

03:51:53.000 Like that- Seems to have this like debate me sort of thing point that he thinks he keeps making that's so smart which is when you say- Why does he waste so much time on catty comments?

03:52:01.000 There must be something better for him to say. 1.00

03:52:03.000 Cause he's gay and we love it and he's eating you up right now you little faggot. 1.00

03:52:07.000 Because he's gay and he's eating you up. 1.00

03:52:09.000 But he's our gay. 1.00

03:52:10.000 But he's our gay and he's fucking eating you the fuck up. 1.00

03:52:12.000 Let Glenn finish this thought and then we're moving to our audience questions. 1.00

03:52:22.000 I think so.

03:52:42.000 I'm against all rioting, just to be clear.

03:53:10.000 One of the ways that you show that it's not a coup is by saying that the things that you like that are done that are far more insurrectionary are things you won't call an insurrection because those

03:53:36.000 No, Glenn, I'm sorry.

03:53:38.000 No, Glenn, that's called an appeal to hypocrisy.

03:53:40.000 The way that you argue against something being a coup... Why has Trump not been charged with it?

03:53:46.000 Why have they not charged Trump with insurrection?

03:53:49.000 You just say he... Jack Smith already said why.

03:53:51.000 Go read some of his documents if you haven't already.

03:53:53.000 It's like the lady secretary of state.

03:53:55.000 She says he's guilty.

03:53:56.000 If you don't think it's a coup, then we agree on what the definition of a coup is.

03:53:59.000 If we don't agree on the definition of a coup, which you said it requires military presence, I don't know...

03:54:04.000 Alright, well, it's not going to get resolved tonight, although we have tried to resolve it.

03:54:08.000 Why don't we shut this down?

03:54:09.000 I'll go as well.

03:54:10.000 We're not shutting down, we're just moving to the next phase of the organization, which is... Well, let Destiny and Glenn finish his point.

03:54:17.000 Actually, we'll go to comments.

03:54:18.000 If you want to shut it down, that's fine.

03:54:19.000 I do want to shut it down, I want to move on.

03:54:21.000 I've actually been instructed to move on, so that's what we're doing.

03:54:24.000 By who?

03:54:25.000 By who?

03:54:25.000 By the producers of the show.

03:54:27.000 Let's move on.

03:54:28.000 ZeroHedge.com.

03:54:29.000 He got the call.

03:54:30.000 I mean, we can, if you guys want to, go in circles.

03:54:32.000 Terrible moderator, by the way.

03:54:34.000 He was just not even there the entire time.

03:54:36.000 He didn't ask any questions.

03:54:37.000 It wasn't structured.

03:54:41.000 No closing statements, and at the end he goes, alright, we're shutting it down.

03:54:45.000 Dude, this whole thing's a mess. 0.99

03:54:47.000 Whole thing sucks. 0.99

03:54:49.000 Really? 1.00

03:54:50.000 And they have a budget, man!

03:54:51.000 Imagine if me, imagine if me had that kind of money.

03:54:56.000 Imagine if I had a studio like that and it was sponsored by Zero Hedge and we flew in all these people. 0.99

03:55:01.000 It would be the shit. 0.99

03:55:03.000 How is it this bad? 1.00

03:55:05.000 InfoWars is like a 50 million dollar a year organization and it's being sponsored by somebody else. 0.99

03:55:13.000 How is it this fucked up? 0.97

03:55:16.000 And yell over each other for another 10 minutes? 0.99

03:55:17.000 I don't want to do it.

03:55:18.000 I want to go to these comments. 0.78

03:55:19.000 I bet there was a 6'3 marine, ex-marine, that told you to shut up.

03:55:23.000 Thanks, dude.

03:55:24.000 Shut it down.

03:55:24.000 No, but I mean, listen, listen.

03:55:26.000 This is the heart of it.

03:55:27.000 Coups are militaries seizing the telecommunications and the government institutions and killing their opposition. 0.95

03:55:33.000 You could do lots of different things.

03:55:34.000 Trump was going to do that.

03:55:35.000 I mean, a federal judge said it was a coup.

03:55:37.000 Trump did not do that. 0.99

03:55:37.000 A bunch of fucking people being led into the Capitol is not a freaking coup, man. 0.99

03:55:41.000 A federal judge said otherwise. 1.00

03:55:43.000 But let's go on.

03:55:44.000 These are from ZeroHedge.com from some of the premium users of the website have sent in some of the questions.

03:55:49.000 This one's actually a question for what they call the Blue Team, which right now is going to be the three of you guys, Ed, Brian, and Steven.

03:55:55.000 The question is, the New York Times acknowledged that there were FBI informants in the Capitol on January 6th, and then they give a link to the New York Times article.

03:56:03.000 Given the agency's history of entrapment, is it a stretch that some agents may have provoked the riot?

03:56:09.000 And then there's a follow-up question.

03:56:11.000 Why was law enforcement so ill-prepared for the insurrection, in quotes, despite the presence of informants?

03:56:16.000 So the first question, first part of the question is, is it a stretch that some agents may have provoked the riot?

03:56:22.000 So, so informants are something the FBI... I don't, do we, do we really need to watch the Q&A?

03:56:29.000 I think I'm good.

03:56:29.000 I think I don't really need any more of this.

03:56:32.000 I don't need any more of this in my life.

03:56:35.000 Let's just fast forward to the end.

03:56:38.000 It's on record.

03:56:38.000 And then you just admitted it!

03:56:40.000 Gotcha!

03:56:41.000 Guys, guys, okay.

03:56:42.000 So here's the thing.

03:56:43.000 340 people were authorized to be there, but in order to actually call them to the hearing themselves, it was an extraordinary process.

03:56:51.000 When you read the job... From an hour ago.

03:56:54.000 Yes, that's correct.

03:56:55.000 You got it.

03:56:56.000 Authorization.

03:57:00.000 As they were having conversations prior to establishing security, I think they took a lot of extraordinary bureaucratic measures to make it so that I think that day, if the National Guard was going to be deployed, it either had to be, I think, Miller or Walker.

03:57:12.000 I think one of those two had to be the direct authorization.

03:57:14.000 Let me respond briefly.

03:57:16.000 Which is not... We have you one hour ago saying Trump never called for National Guard, and you just said they refused it. 1.00

03:57:25.000 I got your ass! 1.00

03:57:26.000 That's correct. 1.00

03:57:27.000 You got me.

03:57:29.000 So, when the National Guard was deployed, the only area that they were allowed to do- Yeah, oh my god, they blocked it!

03:57:33.000 Yep, yes, that's right.

03:57:34.000 The Pentagon blocked Trump, you just admitted Trump wanted it and didn't get it.

03:57:37.000 Yep, you got me. 1.00

03:57:38.000 I got your ass! 1.00

03:57:39.000 They only deployed 340 people, and they're- Because you left the court from an hour ago, you said it wasn't true. 1.00

03:57:42.000 Yep, that's right, you got me.

03:57:43.000 Got him!

03:57:44.000 That's right.

03:57:44.000 Got him, you want to do this like- The scope of the mission, the scope of the mis- You know, Pete-

03:57:48.000 Rhetorically, this is why Ashley Babbitt got shot.

03:57:50.000 You realize that, right?

03:57:50.000 I'm gonna get shot?

03:57:51.000 No, people like Ashley Babbitt died because of people like you driving people onto this, right?

03:57:54.000 It might be funny for you.

03:57:55.000 I don't know if it's funny for them.

03:57:56.000 I murdered Ashley Babbitt?

03:57:57.000 You're more or less responsible with this kind of talk, yes. 0.54

03:57:59.000 Oh my god, I murdered... Yes!

03:58:01.000 Play in a factual world.

03:58:03.000 You love the operator.

03:58:04.000 No, you said an hour ago... You said an hour ago that Trump never asked for a National Guard.

03:58:10.000 I can show 50 articles that's on record.

03:58:12.000 You just admitted it!

03:58:13.000 Gotcha!

03:58:14.000 Gotcha!

03:58:14.000 Guys, guys.

03:58:18.000 So here's the thing.

03:58:19.000 340 people were authorized to be there, but an order actually called them.

03:58:24.000 It was an extraordinary process.

03:58:25.000 When you read the J6 committee in the Situation Room and Sund and everybody else complaining, where's the National Guard?

03:58:29.000 Where's the National Guard? 0.96

03:58:30.000 There was a whole bunch of stupid bureaucratic red tape and optics concerns that people had to cut through to get them there. 0.98

03:58:34.000 So you're claiming that this is staged? 0.99

03:58:36.000 You're claiming the FBI was behind it?

03:58:52.000 In 2019, you specifically- Why's the Gulf of Tonkin?

03:58:55.000 Huh?

03:58:55.000 No, let- You specifically said- Out of a larger context- Said a larger context- No, no, that's- Things that are children kill.

03:59:02.000 Because the media lies to me, right?

03:59:04.000 In court.

03:59:04.000 All these horrible things.

03:59:06.000 Jones is in Waking Life.

03:59:07.000 Game you're playing.

03:59:07.000 That I don't mean when I say- No, no, no!

03:59:09.000 Way up said I orchestrated- Whoops.

03:59:13.000 Conspiracy theory.

03:59:17.000 I wasn't the platform for- That's it!

03:59:19.000 That's it! 1.00

03:59:19.000 We're done with this fucking conversation! 1.00

03:59:21.000 We're moving on to the user questions. 0.99

03:59:23.000 As told.

03:59:24.000 Glenn, you had something to say?

03:59:25.000 After examining it for a year, you found that it was fake.

03:59:31.000 Alright, you know what?

03:59:32.000 That's it.

03:59:33.000 That's it!

03:59:34.000 That's it! 1.00

03:59:35.000 We're done with this fucking conversation! 0.99

03:59:37.000 We're moving on to the user questions. 0.99

03:59:38.000 As told.

03:59:39.000 Glenn, you had something to say?

03:59:45.000 He's like Benson from regular show.

03:59:54.000 He sounded like Benson from regular show.

03:59:56.000 What is this?

03:59:57.000 Who asked for this?

03:59:59.000 This is the debate that nobody wanted.

04:00:02.000 That nobody asked for.

04:00:06.000 What if we had a debate with Alex Jones drunk, screaming like a banshee, the Krasenstein brothers, whoever they are, Darren Beatty, Glenn Greenwald by Skype, Destiny, and this and Ian whatever moderating.

04:00:21.000 Who asked for this?

04:00:25.000 On the third anniversary of January 6th about whether it was an insurrection. 0.99

04:00:31.000 Dude, this guy is insane. 1.00

04:00:32.000 This guy is mentally ill. 1.00

04:00:33.000 That's just what drugs does to you. 1.00

04:00:35.000 He goes on the Tim Pool Show and he's like, oh, I'm just like chill man, whatever. 1.00

04:00:40.000 This is a deranged lunatic. 1.00

04:00:44.000 You are a lunatic. 1.00

04:00:45.000 You need to be in prison. 1.00

04:00:47.000 This guy should be tortured by the CIA. 0.96

04:00:49.000 This guy made me in favor of the government. 1.00

04:00:53.000 If this is the resistance, then I am a fucking NATO Nazi. 0.99

04:00:59.000 If all these guys are anti-war, anti-FBI, 0.99

04:01:03.000 I am with, and you know, NATO is Hitler and Biden's Hitler.

04:01:07.000 I am with Biden.

04:01:09.000 I am with NATO.

04:01:10.000 As long as we can put this guy in jail and psychologically torture him, all the things that he's afraid of when he talks about like, you know, CIA mind control, we need to do it to this guy. 0.99

04:01:21.000 This guy should be captured by the NSA and put at Guantanamo and fed LSD and fucking tortured. 1.00

04:01:29.000 Because this guy's insane. 1.00

04:01:31.000 I'm kidding, of course. 0.98

04:01:32.000 That's a joke.

04:01:33.000 Obviously, I'm kidding.

04:01:34.000 I'm okay with this guy.

04:01:35.000 He's fine.

04:01:37.000 That's all jokes, but he makes me want to be on that side.

04:01:41.000 He makes me want to be on the side of Halliburton and Nixon.

04:01:46.000 This guy's like a hippie. 0.51

04:01:47.000 This is what created, like, the counter-revolution, the reaction.

04:01:53.000 This guy makes you want to go full Nixon, full Haldeman, Halliburton, like, 0.99

04:01:59.000 Agent Orange, Kissinger, lock this fucking hippie up, shave his hair, ship them to Vietnam. 1.00

04:02:06.000 This guy's gotta go. 1.00

04:02:08.000 Kidding, of course.

04:02:09.000 It's all a joke. 0.99

04:02:10.000 But, what a- This guy's a maniac. 0.94

04:02:14.000 I wanna rewind and watch that last part. 0.94

04:02:18.000 That was so out of pocket. 1.00

04:02:22.000 This guy's a lunatic. 1.00

04:02:23.000 That's like the least normal response I've ever seen. 1.00

04:02:27.000 You're the moderator, just say, hey, debate's over.

04:02:31.000 Or I don't know, something professional?

04:02:33.000 He's like getting up and screaming like a maniac.

04:02:36.000 Alright, you know what?

04:02:38.000 That's it, that's it, that's it, that's it! 1.00

04:02:40.000 We're done with this fucking conversation! 0.99

04:02:42.000 Look at, like, that's so unnecessary. 1.00

04:02:46.000 In his gym shoes and this whole get-up.

04:02:49.000 What the f... I barely ever talked about it.

04:02:52.000 It wasn't even on our radar.

04:02:53.000 But you said it was fake.

04:02:55.000 No, no.

04:02:55.000 If I'm on the airport... You said after examining it for a year, you found that it was fake.

04:03:00.000 Alright, you know what?

04:03:01.000 That's it.

04:03:02.000 That's it!

04:03:03.000 That's it! 1.00

04:03:04.000 We're done with this fucking conversation. 0.99

04:03:06.000 We're moving on to the user questions. 0.99

04:03:07.000 As told.

04:03:08.000 Glenn, you had something to say?

04:03:10.000 Glenn, please.

04:03:11.000 Yeah.

04:03:11.000 First of all, I want to say that we are at... Look at this guy, dude.

04:03:17.000 This guy is a maniac. 0.99

04:03:18.000 This guy's a girl. 1.00

04:03:19.000 This guy's a woman. 1.00

04:03:21.000 Somebody slap this bitch. 1.00

04:03:22.000 Can Alex Jones slap this bitch? 1.00

04:03:24.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

04:03:27.000 I don't have time here because it's been three hours, but I did just want to say I do think that attack on Alex is a bullshit attack. 0.99

04:03:32.000 We are here because we want to talk about January 6th.

04:03:34.000 We want to talk about whether this is an insurrection.

04:03:36.000 We're talking about something! 0.86

04:03:37.000 And to try and make it about Alex when there are six people here presenting all kinds of evidence that you're not equipped to deal with, I think it's just a pathetic way to try and end this debate.

04:03:47.000 And the last thing I want to say is it's really given like a kind of amazingly vivid mindset into the minds of Trump-era liberals who have really come to see

04:03:56.000 The US security state and the courts and prosecutors as their political allies in their war that they're waging against people who disagree with them.

04:04:04.000 And they have this like very romanticized view of what the FBI is, what the DOJ is, how the court systems work, how the federal government works.

04:04:12.000 And all of this reveals this so well because what's happening here is so manifest, which is that all of these agencies are being abused because the Trump movement is considered the gravest threat to establishment power in this country, which is why the bipartisan establishment is against it.

04:04:27.000 To try and make this about Alex and Sandy Hook is a really pathetic way to end the debate.

04:04:31.000 I think you guys have done a good job defending your views.

04:04:34.000 I think you should leave it at that.

04:04:35.000 And we definitely have to go because it's been three hours.

04:04:38.000 Well, we're not done.

04:04:39.000 We're going to keep talking with some questions.

04:04:41.000 Can I answer the user's question?

04:04:43.000 Yeah, I would love to, but give me one second.

04:04:45.000 The only reason I scream is because I don't have a mute button for the people right now.

04:04:49.000 I would prefer not to have to use my voice.

04:04:51.000 I think you did a great job being here.

04:04:53.000 Thank you.

04:04:53.000 He did a terrible job!

04:04:55.000 We'll stay.

04:04:55.000 Glenn, give us a three minute closing comment.

04:04:59.000 All I'm trying to say is I didn't launch any wars.

04:05:01.000 I didn't lie about WMDs, and to bring that in is... There was a point to it, though. 0.98

04:05:07.000 His point was just that if you were lying about that, or if you had psychosis about that, how do we know that that's not coming back?

04:05:17.000 About half the show we talked about... I did not say I had psychosis.

04:05:20.000 Half of the show we talked about feds, and you... No, I talked to... If you look at the full clip of the transcript... We talked about things being saved.

04:05:27.000 I said there's a group...

04:05:28.000 There's a larger lie when we're lied to and lose trust.

04:05:32.000 Then, out of that, when no one knows what's true, it creates a lot of problems.

04:05:36.000 So, the reason I went back to that is because in that Twitter space... I know, but... Okay, we're going to the second question.

04:05:42.000 Let's do it.

04:05:43.000 I didn't want to... Come on, guys. 1.00

04:05:44.000 This is cheap as fuck. 0.99

04:05:45.000 Let's talk about what the people are paying. 0.99

04:05:47.000 They have questions.

04:05:48.000 They want to... We have some legitimate...

04:05:50.000 We're good.

04:05:51.000 We're good.

04:05:52.000 We're good.

04:05:53.000 We're good.

04:05:54.000 We're good.

04:05:55.000 We're good.

04:05:56.000 We're good.

04:05:57.000 We're good.

04:05:58.000 We're good.

04:05:59.000 We're good.

04:06:00.000 We're good.

04:06:01.000 We're good.

04:06:02.000 We're good.

04:06:03.000 We're good.

04:06:04.000 We're good.

04:06:05.000 We're good.

04:06:06.000 We're good.

04:06:07.000 We're good.

04:06:08.000 We're good.

04:06:09.000 There's the Norfolk memo coming out of the Norfolk office of the FBI, extensively cataloging threats to the Capitol, including maps of tunnels, all kinds of indications that there was going to be a major event at the Capitol on that day.

04:06:27.000 There was extensive government infiltration of every single militia group imputed to January 6th.

04:06:34.000 And there was a stand down?

04:06:35.000 Wait, wait, wait.

04:06:36.000 Up to the very, very highest levels.

04:06:40.000 We know that Enrique Tarrio had an extensive conversation with the head of Metro PD Intel.

04:06:48.000 And that's just one example.

04:06:50.000 We know the VP of the Oath Keepers was an FBI informant.

04:06:54.000 We know there are at least eight other informants in the Proud Boys, including informants who are texting their handlers simultaneously as they were in the Capitol and as the events unfolded.

04:07:06.000 We know of the Oath Keeper Jeremy Brown.

04:07:09.000 Who has been attacked and persecuted by the government.

04:07:11.000 Why?

04:07:12.000 Because when he was approached by JTTF agents in December of 2020 to recruit him as an informant, he recorded the exchange and the encounter and put it out there on the Internet.

04:07:28.000 The JTTF agents said, there's something going to happen in January.

04:07:32.000 We want you to be an informant for us.

04:07:34.000 We know that there are several influencers, including Milo,

04:07:38.000 Who parlored, or whatever the tweet version is for parlor, put out a message on January 5th saying, I was just approached by federal agents.

04:07:47.000 Whatever they have planned on the 6th is huge.

04:07:50.000 Don't go there.

04:07:52.000 That's just a number of examples.

04:07:54.000 Oh yeah, and there was Donnell Harvin.

04:07:57.000 He was the head of the Homeland Security Office for the DC Fusion Center.

04:08:02.000 His predictions were remarkably specific and accurate.

04:08:06.000 His office came up with the idea that we need to have body bags.

04:08:12.000 We need to focus on the Capitol at one o'clock.

04:08:15.000 Specifically, we need to be concerned with explosives planted on side streets that could serve a diversionary effect.

04:08:23.000 Therefore allowing for an attack on the Capitol.

04:08:26.000 These are just some of the highlights of examples of the government being in a position to know in advance what was going on.

04:08:34.000 And it wasn't just that there was an ordinary level of security at the Capitol, which is inconceivable when you think of the fact that there was a major proceeding there, that Trump was there giving a speech.

04:08:44.000 Ordinarily, there would be threat assessments, which there weren't.

04:08:48.000 It's not just that there was ordinary level of security.

04:08:52.000 There is a uniquely absent security on that day, uniquely poor security on a day with a major certification proceeding, on a day in which President Trump was there to give a major speech on a very controversial question directly pertinent to that proceeding.

04:09:09.000 So Darren, there's 1,250 people who were indicted thus far.

04:09:14.000 How many of them brought up as evidence in court

04:09:18.000 ...that they were enticed or led into the building or led to do crimes by federal agents.

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04:09:47.000 I would think that evidence that a federal agent led you to commit a crime or acted in a way that made you want to commit a crime would be pretty exculpatory evidence right there.

04:10:08.000 Yeah, it would in certain cases.

04:10:10.000 And like I said, there are people who are pursuing that.

04:10:13.000 There's a significant backlash to that within the judicial system.

04:10:17.000 So even given how much it's rigged now, it's additionally rigged when it comes to those specific types of defenses because they're so subversive to the larger narrative that the government is trying to promote.

04:10:28.000 Why wouldn't McCarthy put any Republicans on the J6 committee then and investigate this?

04:10:33.000 Well, McCarthy isn't exactly someone who's aggressively interested in pursuing the truth on this either.

04:10:39.000 Okay, why not appoint like a special counsel or appoint something separate then from Congress?

04:10:44.000 Well, I think that would be a fantastic idea, but again- Why didn't Trump do it?

04:10:48.000 Why didn't Trump do it?

04:10:49.000 Trump's not in a position to do it right now.

04:10:50.000 Yeah, but right after J6, before he gets kicked out, I want to point out- Well, I mean- Or why not on the days before, if he thinks that there's- I mean, there is not a really window of opportunity for that to happen.

04:10:59.000 A lot of other stuff is going on.

04:11:01.000 Doesn't it suck, then, that you can provide absolutely no smoking guns- I provided a ton of evidence.

04:11:07.000 No smoking guns.

04:11:08.000 I provided overwhelming evidence.

04:11:09.000 You've given a bunch of- You have not provided evidence for anything.

04:11:11.000 Overwhelming evidence.

04:11:29.000 I can, well, you really want to hear a good faith answer to that?

04:11:32.000 Why it's partisan?

04:11:33.000 Well, let's start with Benny Thompson.

04:11:35.000 Now... No, no, I know the people on it were all partisan.

04:11:38.000 That's true.

04:11:39.000 But that's because McCarthy, but that's because McCarthy wouldn't put forth his nominees after Pelosi said no to two of five.

04:11:46.000 Well, first of all, I think those two should have been allowed.

04:11:49.000 I'm not asking you that.

04:11:49.000 I'm asking why didn't McCarthy put forth two other ones?

04:11:51.000 Because he didn't want to legitimize a process that was totally illegitimate.

04:11:56.000 So how convenient for you, then, that now we can also say the entire J6 committee... No, it's not convenient for me.

04:12:01.000 It's convenient for the regime.

04:12:05.000 No, it's convenient for you.

04:12:06.000 It's convenient for the regime not to have a legitimate and disinterested fact-finding commission to truly get to the bottom of the real questions that matter in relation to January 6th.

04:12:17.000 But there is no disinterested fact-finding.

04:12:19.000 You guys say Comey was biased, even though he was a lifelong Republican.

04:12:22.000 You say Raffensperger was biased, even though he was a lifelong Republican.

04:12:25.000 You guys say that Barr was biased, even though he's been a lifelong Trump supporter and a Republican.

04:12:29.000 Yeah, you say Ray is biased, like every single person.

04:12:32.000 Yeah, so then there are no unbiased fact finders.

04:12:35.000 I didn't say there are none, but the specific names you mentioned, absolutely.

04:12:38.000 How about William Barr?

04:12:40.000 Yes.

04:12:40.000 So all these Trump appointees, Trump.

04:12:42.000 Yes, he made terrible appointments.

04:12:44.000 What's the best person ever to hire people, right?

04:12:46.000 Well, I didn't say that's not my convention here.

04:12:48.000 Who would be able to investigate this?

04:12:52.000 I think there are some people who could.

04:12:54.000 I think Jim Jordan who could.

04:12:56.000 Jim Jordan would be your example of an unbiased party.

04:12:59.000 Jim Jordan was literally part of the investigation.

04:13:01.000 I would say for there to be a legitimate committee, it would have to include people who are genuinely interested in pursuing not only the questions that Benny Thompson and the hyper-partisan Democrats wanted to find out,

04:13:15.000 But people who are sympathetic to the other side who would be willing to pursue the questions that I've raised and have been raised that were not addressed at all in the committee because all they were interested in was demonizing Trump and setting up a criminal proceeding for Trump.

04:13:30.000 They weren't interested in getting to the bottom of the questions.

04:13:33.000 Why was there uniquely poor security?

04:13:35.000 What was going on with the level of federal infiltration?

04:13:39.000 I don't

04:14:02.000 If every single person in government, if every Republican, if every Democrat

04:14:24.000 If every judge, if every person in the United States that is in Trump's peripheral ends up hating Trump or not wanting to work with Trump, at what point do you say- Well, we're not saying every.

04:14:35.000 At what point do you say- Christopher Wray is not- At what point do you just say- I've been gone for 10 minutes, let me respond.

04:14:40.000 You can't just run back in here and cut me off, okay?

04:14:42.000 At what point can we not say, maybe Trump was actually genuinely a horrible person? 1.00

04:14:47.000 Or maybe Trump actually genuinely- Dude, this guy is just like an idiot, man. 1.00

04:14:51.000 The level of reasoning on display here, he says, 1.00

04:14:55.000 Well, maybe if these people didn't like him, maybe that's because he's a bad person.

04:15:00.000 Like, that's the level of analysis.

04:15:03.000 And you can understand what Darren is saying.

04:15:06.000 Darren says, well, we want a committee to get to the bottom of it.

04:15:09.000 Well, there was a committee.

04:15:11.000 Well, it was run by Democrats.

04:15:13.000 Well, they offered Republicans, but they got shut down.

04:15:16.000 Well, they shut them down because it was partisan and they didn't offer more because it was clear it was going to be partisan and they didn't want to legitimize it.

04:15:24.000 Well, who could have legitimized it?

04:15:27.000 Naming, like, three establishment Republicans that don't like Trump.

04:15:32.000 Ray Comey, James Comey, really?

04:15:36.000 And Raffensperger from Georgia.

04:15:38.000 And Darin says, well, you know, they're all biased, they're all anti-Trump, they're hostile to Trump. 1.00

04:15:43.000 Well, maybe if everyone doesn't like him, then he's a jerk. 0.99

04:15:47.000 Like, at that point... What can you even say at that point? 0.99

04:15:54.000 This is not a person that's equipped for the discussion.

04:15:59.000 Have you ever thought that maybe it's a little bit more complicated than, you know, personal affinity?

04:16:07.000 Maybe.

04:16:09.000 Maybe when it's concerning a disruptive element like Donald Trump, with disruptive policy changes, which are wildly different than what the permanent bureaucratic state has pursued for 30 years, maybe things get

04:16:27.000 Contentious?

04:16:28.000 In a situation like that?

04:16:29.000 I'm talking about Donald Trump runs against, contra, the free trade, open border, pro-war agenda of both Republicans and Democrats and the permanent bureaucrats inside the State Department, Pentagon, and Chamber of Commerce, and these types of institutions that have been pursuing those policies for 30 years.

04:16:51.000 You don't think that when Trump gets in the middle of that, that there isn't conflict?

04:16:56.000 That he goes to Congress and he encounters people in the U.S.

04:17:00.000 intelligence community or in the party establishment that are not hostile to him out of interest, out of self-interest, rather than affinity. 0.99

04:17:10.000 Rather, in other words, they don't dislike Trump because he's a meanie bo-beanie and nobody likes you because you're a jerk, but maybe because Donald Trump is a disruptive force 0.99

04:17:25.000 In a place where a lot is at stake? 1.00

04:17:28.000 Washington DC, the seat of a global empire?

04:17:30.000 I mean, maybe... And again, this is just like... Let's reason this out.

04:17:36.000 Like we're children here for a moment, because I mean, that's clearly the level of analysis.

04:17:42.000 To run it back...

04:17:44.000 Darren said, let's investigate the real questions.

04:17:47.000 Destiny, well there was an investigation.

04:17:50.000 Darren, but obviously that was run by hyper-partisan Democrats.

04:17:54.000 Destiny, but that's because Republicans didn't put up candidates after two were shut down. 0.97

04:18:00.000 Darren, that's because the people that they put up were people that are sympathetic to the other side, which is what would be required for it to be fair.

04:18:09.000 And if they're only going to accept people that aren't sympathetic, then it's a sham.

04:18:13.000 They don't want to legitimize it.

04:18:15.000 Destiny.

04:18:16.000 Well, who would legitimize it? 0.76

04:18:18.000 Three people that are obviously sympathetic to the Democrat side and not the Trump side?

04:18:23.000 Darren.

04:18:24.000 Obviously not.

04:18:25.000 Destiny. 1.00

04:18:26.000 Well, if nobody is sympathetic to Trump, then maybe Trump's a big jerk. 1.00

04:18:31.000 Okay. 1.00

04:18:32.000 So, yeah.

04:18:32.000 You're right.

04:18:34.000 You're right. 0.94

04:18:34.000 Trump is a meanie. 0.94

04:18:37.000 He's a meanie. 1.00

04:18:38.000 He's a bad person. 1.00

04:18:39.000 He's a, in Destiny's words, a horrible person. 0.99

04:18:43.000 You know, this is the Reddit terminology. 1.00

04:18:45.000 Erm, maybe you're a freaking asshole. 1.00

04:18:49.000 Maybe Republicans shouldn't be freaking assholes and lie and overthrow the government. 1.00

04:18:54.000 Like, this is the level of reasoning. 0.99

04:18:57.000 Or maybe James Comey doesn't like Trump because James Comey is part of the intelligence community.

04:19:05.000 Which Donald Trump was running to reform?

04:19:07.000 Which Donald Trump was running against the entire elite?

04:19:11.000 Yes, the American elite.

04:19:14.000 comes from a milieu.

04:19:16.000 Yes, they all go to the same schools.

04:19:19.000 Yes, there is a broad consensus, even though there is partisanship, there is a broad ideological consensus, there is an institutionalist consensus among the people in the institutions.

04:19:33.000 And Donald Trump running against the institutions and against the establishment is not liked by them.

04:19:41.000 It's not because of his personality.

04:19:44.000 I'm sure that anybody that got lunch with Trump would get on fine with him.

04:19:49.000 And I'm sure if Donald Trump was running a Home Depot or a Kmart, people would think he's maybe not the worst boss.

04:19:57.000 But when you're running to change the global common market, the free movement of goods and people, again, this globalist, neoliberal, institutionalist consensus,

04:20:09.000 Yeah, people in the establishment won't like you.

04:20:11.000 Yes, there will be establishment Republicans.

04:20:14.000 You know, Bill Barr, not exactly a great example.

04:20:17.000 The guy's a spook. 1.00

04:20:18.000 He was under Bush. 1.00

04:20:21.000 But, I mean, again, you're dealing with, like, a mental midget. 1.00

04:20:25.000 A literal and a mental midget. 1.00

04:20:27.000 And someone who just doesn't know the score. 0.98

04:20:29.000 I mean, we've been over it a million times.

04:20:32.000 This guy just doesn't know anything.

04:20:35.000 He doesn't know that Egypt doesn't border Russia.

04:20:38.000 He can't find Israel on a map.

04:20:40.000 He thought Erdogan was the president of Israel and couldn't identify him, nor can he identify Assad.

04:20:46.000 He thought the Bible was written in Arabic.

04:20:49.000 He can't locate Germany on a map.

04:20:52.000 He can't locate Wisconsin on a map.

04:20:54.000 He found out five weeks ago who Kevin McCarthy is, before initially confusing him with Joseph McCarthy.

04:21:03.000 And we've been over all that.

04:21:07.000 And then you sit this guy down to talk about January 6th and his argument is something like, erm, well, the Republicans just, like, freaking gave up.

04:21:15.000 Like, why did the Republicans, like, give more people? 1.00

04:21:17.000 They just, like, they were like, er, fuck it. 0.99

04:21:19.000 We're just gonna give up because you shot down two of our appointees. 1.00

04:21:24.000 Well, that's because...

04:21:27.000 To volunteer more Republicans would legitimize something and give political legitimacy to something that's hyper-partisan and unprecedented in the history of congressional investigations. 1.00

04:21:36.000 Erm, well, maybe Trump's a jerk. 1.00

04:21:38.000 Maybe he's a horrible person. 1.00

04:21:40.000 Have you ever thought that if no one likes you, that you're a bad person?

04:21:45.000 Like, this is the level of... This is how we're engaging on this issue.

04:21:51.000 Same thing with the FBI.

04:21:53.000 They were like, chortling at the idea that the New York Times works with the intelligence community.

04:22:01.000 And it's like, Greenwald hit the nail on the head.

04:22:04.000 Their engagement with American civics is like what they teach in social studies, or history class, or civics class.

04:22:11.000 Which is, you know, nominally how it's supposed to work.

04:22:15.000 Obviously the world doesn't work this way.

04:22:18.000 They're like, wait a second.

04:22:19.000 Well, journalists report on the stories and the editors edit them and then they're published by the newspapers.

04:22:26.000 Where does the FBI get involved in that?

04:22:28.000 It's like... Power overlaps, obviously.

04:22:34.000 Obviously people from the New York Times are in bed with the intelligence community.

04:22:40.000 Because there is a complex constellation of institutions in the power structure

04:22:46.000 That aren't pushing an elite agenda.

04:22:54.000 It's happened throughout history.

04:22:55.000 I mean, how do you think we got in Iraq?

04:22:58.000 You think we got in Iraq because journalists were doing their due diligence about this intelligence that the United States would share with no one about WMDs?

04:23:08.000 Or all the other endless anonymous sources from the IC that are telling us about Russia killing soldiers in Afghanistan, or Russia blowing up a nuclear plant in Ukraine, or Assad using chemical weapons a billion times in the past ten years?

04:23:23.000 Or ISIS-Khorasan? 0.57

04:23:25.000 I mean, it... 1.00

04:23:29.000 So, I mean, this guy's just a fucking idiot. 1.00

04:23:31.000 I mean, that's the only thing that you can take away. 1.00

04:23:34.000 I mean, he's either pretending to be a fucking idiot, and he's just a shill, or he's an idiot. 1.00

04:23:39.000 And I think he's just an idiot. 1.00

04:23:42.000 I just can't believe what I'm hearing. 1.00

04:23:44.000 When you get to that level of... I mean, let's run it back.

04:23:47.000 He says, maybe you're a horrible person.

04:23:49.000 This is the level... We're talking about a very complex matter. 0.96

04:23:54.000 We're talking about 0.98

04:23:56.000 This ongoing Trump movement, which is obviously very disruptive and actually does involve competing power factions, and the level of engagement on a complex subject like this is, if no one likes you, maybe you're a horrible person. 0.98

04:24:11.000 Like, you're a little girl. 0.96

04:24:12.000 Like, you're an eight-year-old girl.

04:24:15.000 If you explain the situation to a child, that's what they would say.

04:24:19.000 If a child was watching this debate,

04:24:22.000 And you said, well, you know, even if he, I mean, if they could even understand the words, when Darren says, well, Republicans are hostile to Trump, a child would say, well, if nobody likes him.

04:24:32.000 He must not be a very nice person.

04:24:35.000 I saw that on Blue's Clues. 1.00

04:24:36.000 Maybe, at what point do we say he's a freaking jerk? 1.00

04:25:02.000 At what point do we say, um, maybe Trump is a fucking asshole? 1.00

04:25:07.000 You're a terrible person. 1.00

04:25:09.000 Um, I tried to unilaterally overthrow the government. 1.00

04:25:11.000 Am I the asshole? 1.00

04:25:13.000 Like, this is a... 1.00

04:25:16.000 Like, there is no left.

04:25:20.000 There is no left wing.

04:25:21.000 I mean, there's people that know about the world, and then there's people that have yet to learn about it.

04:25:27.000 It's that simple.

04:25:28.000 It was like earlier in the debate when Krasenstein didn't know that the census determines the apportionment of electoral votes and seats in the House.

04:25:38.000 He didn't know that.

04:25:40.000 So you don't actually have an opposition.

04:25:43.000 You don't have a left-wing side.

04:25:44.000 Because Alex Jones was saying, they count illegals in the census.

04:25:50.000 And as a result, California gained electoral votes and gained seats in the House.

04:25:54.000 And Krasinski instead, well, but they're not voting.

04:25:57.000 Like, he didn't know that.

04:25:58.000 And then when they taught him that, he said, oh, you're right.

04:26:01.000 So there's no opposition.

04:26:04.000 There's no counter-argument.

04:26:05.000 There's no rebuttal.

04:26:06.000 There's people that know what they're talking about and are presenting a case. 1.00

04:26:10.000 And then there's people that are just complete fucking idiots who are either ignorant or just don't even understand. 1.00

04:26:16.000 They don't have the historical context. 1.00

04:26:19.000 And what Greenwald is saying is right.

04:26:22.000 They don't understand politics beyond 2016.

04:26:25.000 They don't realize the history of the CIA, the history of the FBI.

04:26:30.000 Like, it's not a radical notion.

04:26:33.000 And it's also not unsupported to say that the FBI infiltrates political movements.

04:26:39.000 If you know the first thing about the FBI, or how it was formed, or who formed it, you would know that is to be expected.

04:26:47.000 That is a given.

04:26:49.000 They say, er, what?

04:26:50.000 So you think that people at the Capitol were working for the FBI?

04:26:55.000 Do you know anything about the history of the FBI?

04:26:58.000 Do you know anything about the history of intelligence services?

04:27:01.000 Do you know anything about the history of the Cold War?

04:27:04.000 Or the past, the War on Terror?

04:27:06.000 I mean, do you know anything about the past?

04:27:10.000 About the things that happened before today?

04:27:15.000 It's crazy!

04:27:18.000 I mean, they heard that and they laughed.

04:27:19.000 They're like, well, so what?

04:27:22.000 The New York Times is working with the IC?

04:27:25.000 Uh, yes!

04:27:26.000 Yeah!

04:27:27.000 That is exactly what we're saying.

04:27:29.000 That's crazy, dude.

04:27:34.000 But they just don't know.

04:27:35.000 I mean, they believe in this fairy tale mythology about the country that it's like

04:27:43.000 You know, how a bill becomes a law.

04:27:45.000 It's like the Schoolhouse Rock version of American politics.

04:27:49.000 You start to bring in, like, hmm, how about the fact that the Mossad created all this fake intelligence for us to go to war in Iraq?

04:27:58.000 And they're like, erm, I don't know what that is.

04:28:02.000 A bill becomes a law when, like, this is what we're talking about.

04:28:08.000 You start to introduce, like,

04:28:10.000 The Mossad or the Iron Triangle or NGOs that are funded by Congress and are subordinate to the State Department.

04:28:19.000 You start talking about that kind of stuff and they go, erm, I don't know what that is.

04:28:25.000 I was taught that every two years eligible citizens go to the ballot box and vote because America is a constitutional republic.

04:28:38.000 Like,

04:28:40.000 That's the understanding that they're bringing to the table.

04:28:44.000 And it's just not enough.

04:28:45.000 We are in the age of complexity.

04:28:48.000 You're not equipped to have this debate if you don't know about interest-based politics, money-powered politics, and the role of media, and the role of espionage, which is significant.

04:29:01.000 You know?

04:29:03.000 When you look at the color revolutions around the world, when you look at the history of the Cold War, it's a spy game.

04:29:09.000 What happens in the world, it's a money game, and it's a spy game, and it's a resource game.

04:29:15.000 And if you're not thinking about the world in those terms, you don't understand the world.

04:29:20.000 If you're thinking about the world in terms of liberals and conservatives and Republicans and Democrats and, you know, religious bigots and tolerant liberals, like, you don't, you have no idea what's going on.

04:29:34.000 You just don't.

04:29:37.000 The things that inform the decision makers of the world, it's money power, it's resource power, it's intelligence power.

04:29:48.000 That's what makes the world go around.

04:29:51.000 And all this other stuff is just how they explain it.

04:30:00.000 So... You know, it's like what we talked about with Argentina.

04:30:04.000 One way to look at Argentina... I'm gonna bring it back again to Malay. 1.00

04:30:08.000 One way to look at Argentina is, Oh, they elected a libertarian who hates leftists!

04:30:14.000 None of these words mean anything.

04:30:15.000 Do you realize that?

04:30:16.000 None of these words mean anything.

04:30:19.000 Did Malay get elected because Argentina rejected leftism and they voted for sound libertarian policy?

04:30:28.000 Or was it a CIA-backed coup because Argentina was going to join BRICS and de-dollarize their economy?

04:30:39.000 Like, it's obviously the latter.

04:30:45.000 You know, and they say the same thing about, like, the war in Russia.

04:30:49.000 They're like, well, Putin was, Putin's wet dream. 0.83

04:30:52.000 Putin's a gas station attendant with a First World military and a Third World economy, and his wet dream, you know, he really, they always do, they load up the sexual language, too. 0.99

04:31:02.000 They'll say shit like, you know, they're playing footsie with dictators, they're writing love letters. 0.99

04:31:08.000 So I'll say, Putin, a glorified gas station attendant, his wet dream is to rebuild the Soviet Union because he's an evil tyrant like Mao. 1.00

04:31:18.000 And it's like, really? 0.92

04:31:20.000 Or is it because...

04:31:22.000 NATO overthrew the government in Kiev and was going to deploy medium-range ballistic missiles east of the Dnieper River at the throat of Moscow, and compromise the Black Sea fleet at Sevastopol.

04:31:35.000 Which is more likely?

04:31:36.000 That Putin is a boogeyman who's eating babies and whatever, and he's kidnapping orphans to

04:31:49.000 Harvest their organs and use the slave labor and detonate another Chernobyl? 0.95

04:31:53.000 Or is he just concerned about the missiles because NATO is the same as Russia?

04:32:00.000 So... You know... Again, I've said it before.

04:32:05.000 It's not a question of left versus right.

04:32:07.000 It's a question of depth.

04:32:08.000 Are you in the shallow end or are you in the deep end?

04:32:12.000 Can you recognize that the entire Ray Epps story is suspicious?

04:32:15.000 Are you gonna say, erm, where's the smoking gun?

04:32:18.000 It's like, what are you looking for?

04:32:19.000 Are you looking for Ray Epps to sign a statement that says, I am a fed?

04:32:23.000 I am a fed, I did that.

04:32:26.000 Because it seems like unless we present that, they're unwilling to look at any of the other, like, deductive reasoning.

04:32:32.000 If you break it down and say, why did this guy get treated favorably by 60 Minutes and the New York Times and Adam Kinzinger,

04:32:43.000 And why was your move from the FBI's most wanted list and why did they, even though they were pursuing aggressive prosecutions against everybody, why did they take it easy on him?

04:32:52.000 And Destiny goes, well that's not proof.

04:32:54.000 Well what's proof?

04:32:56.000 Does he need to grab a red crayon and get a piece of printer paper and scrawl, I did it!

04:33:02.000 I'm a fed!

04:33:05.000 You caught me, I'm a fed!

04:33:08.000 Like, apparently that's the standard of evidence.

04:33:12.000 Where's the evidence that the election was rigged?

04:33:14.000 Well, how about Mark Zuckerberg's $300 million get-out-the-vote?

04:33:18.000 How about the fact that the FBI told social media that the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian intelligence, so they banned you from sharing the link a month before the election?

04:33:28.000 How about the fact that they expanded the mail-in ballots and solicited ballots in many states?

04:33:34.000 And on and on and on.

04:33:36.000 And they go, hmm, yeah, but where's the evidence?

04:33:39.000 Yeah, you're right.

04:33:39.000 We need Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden and the Illuminati to get together and write in crayon.

04:33:45.000 We stole the election in 2020.

04:33:52.000 Signed the Illuminati.

04:33:55.000 And then Destiny will go, oh, you're right.

04:33:57.000 There's the source.

04:34:04.000 So.

04:34:06.000 It's horror.

04:34:06.000 I mean, he just shouldn't be invited to these things.

04:34:09.000 He doesn't add anything.

04:34:10.000 All he is is just like a... He's like a reinforcement mechanism for stupid people. 1.00

04:34:16.000 And he's there to say, Why? 1.00

04:34:19.000 Why?

04:34:20.000 Why?

04:34:20.000 You know, he's like a little kid.

04:34:23.000 What about this?

04:34:23.000 Well, what about that?

04:34:24.000 Well, what about this?

04:34:25.000 Well, why wasn't it like this?

04:34:26.000 I mean, he's there to just ask inane questions and derail anybody that tries to, you know, actually

04:34:38.000 Elucidate what's happening in the country.

04:34:41.000 Beyond what, you know, what you have on Saturday.

04:35:02.000 Fred C., and the question is, will Destiny address, quote, is white supremacy the biggest domestic threat faced by the United States?

04:35:08.000 And I open it up to the panel after you give an answer there, Steven.

04:35:10.000 Um, domestic threat?

04:35:12.000 I don't know how the FBI judges domestic threat.

04:35:14.000 It wouldn't surprise me if there's a lot of crossover with, like, white supremacy groups and them being, like, organized like a domestic threat, but my guess would be domestic threats in the U.S.

04:35:21.000 is probably fairly low to the total security of the U.S., so I don't really care that much about it.

04:35:24.000 I don't know.

04:35:24.000 But that's the official policy is white supremacism is the number one threat.

04:35:28.000 That's, what is that?

04:35:28.000 That's not a policy, that's a statement.

04:35:30.000 No, that's an executive order in June of 2021 put out by the White House.

04:35:35.000 What are the negative policy choices or what are the bad things that are happening because of that declaration?

04:35:40.000 They try to skew crime numbers.

04:35:42.000 They say everything is that.

04:35:44.000 I mean, this is like a major deal.

04:35:46.000 Skew crime numbers, say everything is that.

04:35:48.000 What do you mean?

04:35:49.000 You're not counting crime by black people anymore? 0.97

04:35:51.000 Didn't we just get all of the hate crimes against Asian people? 0.99

04:35:53.000 No, the FBI says the number one crime is white people. 0.91

04:35:55.000 Dude, he's so drunk though, you can tell. 0.90

04:36:23.000 You just said it's good that Biden is running on January 6th.

04:36:27.000 I think January 6th is a huge deal, yes.

04:36:29.000 The president trying to circumvent the peaceful transfer of power is a really big issue.

04:36:33.000 And that's why he can't be allowed to be voted for.

04:36:35.000 No, that's not why.

04:36:36.000 He's not allowed to be voted for because Section 3 of the 14th Amendment says that if you have been a prior outtaker and you have been engaged in a rebellious insurrection, you're not allowed to run for office again.

04:36:45.000 We have to be clear about what's really happening.

04:36:48.000 The standard Democrat voter, these people don't care about the so-called insurrection.

04:36:55.000 That's not Biden's audience.

04:36:57.000 Biden's audience is to speak in support of this phony legal theory that's being served as a pretext to remove him from the ballots and therefore, you know, in the defense of democracy.

04:37:10.000 I agree.

04:37:10.000 He's trying to rally the deep state saying Trump's going to persecute us and arrest us

04:37:17.000 If we don't stop him, because they've committed all the... Well, what do you think?

04:37:20.000 ...opposition when he... Barack... That's... Yeah.

04:37:22.000 ...state continues... ...dominant Democratic...

04:37:27.000 So, if he was to stay... Gentlemen, tonight is coming to a close.

04:37:31.000 Zero Hedge, thank you so much for putting this debate on.

04:37:34.000 And everybody on the panel, man.

04:37:35.000 Darren Beattie, Alex Jones, Steve Bonnell, Brian Krasinski, Dave Krasinski, Glenn Greenwald.

04:37:41.000 Tell us about your show, what you do.

04:37:42.000 I'm the co-host of TimCastIRL on YouTube, Monday through Friday, 8 p.m.

04:37:46.000 Eastern Standard Time with Tim Pool.

04:37:47.000 It's a blast.

04:37:48.000 We talk about technology, politics, culture.

04:37:52.000 Yep, my website is revolver.news.

04:37:55.000 We broke a lot of these January 6th stories.

04:37:57.000 Take the challenge for yourself.

04:37:58.000 Go to revolver.news, look at the pieces, in particular the Ray Epps series and the pipe bomb series.

04:38:04.000 Decide for yourself whether or not there's overwhelming evidence for federal involvement.

04:38:10.000 And then I do, seven days a week,

04:38:12.000 Live on air 11 a.m.

04:38:14.000 to 3 p.m.

04:38:14.000 weekdays, Saturday we do special reports different times, Sundays 4 to 6 p.m.

04:38:19.000 InfoWars.com, Ford's last show, now Real Alex Jones back on what was Twitter now X, and we're here, we're fighting hard, we're promoting freedom, and we want everybody to tune in and see what we're doing.

04:38:32.000 Tell me about your day, Steven.

04:38:33.000 What do you do?

04:38:34.000 Yeah, I'm on YouTube.

04:38:35.000 You know, you should check out the last few videos.

04:38:37.000 I do a lot of arguments over a lot of the goofy Ray Epps conspiracy theories or a lot of these J7 or J6 conspiracy theories.

04:38:44.000 I've been doing that.

04:38:45.000 YouTube.com slash destiny.

04:38:47.000 Yeah, check me out.

04:38:48.000 What are you?

04:38:49.000 I'm on X Krasenstein.

04:38:51.000 I do a lot of posts.

04:38:53.000 I guess you can't call them tweets anymore about politics.

04:38:56.000 I try to hear out both sides.

04:38:59.000 Alex, I still read your read your post.

04:39:02.000 I might not agree with him, but I try to hear out both sides.

04:39:07.000 Give me feedback.

04:39:08.000 I like countering points.

04:39:10.000 I like listening.

04:39:11.000 I want to congratulate everybody for being here.

04:39:13.000 This has been a great debate.

04:39:14.000 Yeah.

04:39:15.000 Ed, you on as well?

04:39:16.000 Yeah, pretty much everything Brian said.

04:39:18.000 Yeah, it has been a great... It has been spectacular.

04:39:21.000 High energy, fast-paced, it's intense.

04:39:23.000 The first time I've ever moderated a debate with five people and then somebody coming in digital, which has its own... And if you want to see more of this...

04:39:31.000 Okay, it's finally over.

04:39:33.000 Wow, well that was something.

04:40:03.000 That was really something.

04:40:04.000 I'm just glad it's over, dude.

04:40:06.000 I don't have anything else to say.

04:40:09.000 I'm tired, man.

04:40:10.000 I'm tired.

04:40:10.000 That was a long stream.

04:40:13.000 But if you look, if you look... Alright, I'm gonna read Super Chats and then I'm done.

04:40:18.000 Then I'm getting out of here, man.

04:40:20.000 That was long.

04:40:21.000 Thank you for watching and sticking with it.

04:40:27.000 Because that was a long night.

04:40:28.000 I appreciate you watching.

04:40:30.000 I'm gonna read superchats.

04:40:31.000 Smash the follow button if you haven't already.

04:40:33.000 Make sure to follow me.

04:40:35.000 I do a show Monday through Friday.

04:40:36.000 I'm doing a plug myself now.

04:40:38.000 I do a show Monday through Friday here.

04:40:41.000 Yeah, um, I don't know.

04:40:43.000 The whole thing was unprofessional.

04:40:45.000 I think the moderator was terrible and I thought that was kind of the beginning of the end.

04:40:49.000 Because the moderator did not

04:40:51.000 We're good to go! 1.00

04:41:12.000 Even the Krasensteins, I mean, they're stupid, but at least they were civil and they were making an effort to understand the other side. 1.00

04:41:21.000 But, I mean, Destiny is what he is. 1.00

04:41:23.000 I mean, he's a little weasel. 0.64

04:41:25.000 Alex is belligerent.

04:41:26.000 And, you know, he was better at times.

04:41:28.000 Sometimes he was funny and sometimes he was able to control himself, but the whole thing taken together?

04:41:33.000 Very obnoxious.

04:41:36.000 The debate was all over the place.

04:41:37.000 It's kind of a shame because it would have been good to actually hear Darren present the full case because he's been on this for years and I don't feel like I've ever seen him really lay it out and It would have been a good opportunity to hear the back-and-forth and hear a debate on that especially

04:41:55.000 The distinction between the rigged and the stolen election.

04:41:57.000 I thought, you know, that would have been a fruitful discussion.

04:42:00.000 But it just turned into this circus. 0.98

04:42:02.000 The moderator screaming like a lunatic.

04:42:05.000 Alex Jones getting up and yelling and Destiny doing... I mean, he is insufferable. 0.98

04:42:12.000 Just draining and exhausting to listen to. 0.99

04:42:14.000 And just such a nasty human being. 1.00

04:42:17.000 I mean, scum of the earth. 1.00

04:42:18.000 And dumb. 1.00

04:42:21.000 Darren Beatty always a treat to listen to him he's obviously brilliant and cogent and well-researched and you know I'm a huge fan of his same thing with Glenn Greenwald I thought Glenn Greenwald you know he and he brought that gay flair you know Darren Beatty's got the bags under his eyes I mean you know he's really got this like you know strategist thing and Glenn Greenwald's like 1.00

04:42:46.000 Hey, bitch. 1.00

04:42:47.000 Excuse me, bitch. 1.00

04:42:49.000 Erm, you know. 1.00

04:42:50.000 High school civics class called. 1.00

04:42:53.000 They want their ideas back, bitch. 1.00

04:42:54.000 Like, so he brought that. 1.00

04:42:56.000 He ate them up a little bit on the gay front. 0.99

04:43:01.000 So, you know, they did phenomenal. 0.99

04:43:03.000 The rest of it, though, just miserable.

04:43:07.000 Miserable affair.

04:43:08.000 And, you know, but we went through it together.

04:43:12.000 You and I, we got through it together.

04:43:15.000 Who won the debate?

04:43:16.000 Thoughts?

04:43:18.000 Post a name.

04:43:18.000 Who do you think did the best?

04:43:20.000 I want to see who is your favorite out of the six.

04:43:25.000 Between the Krasensteins, Destiny, Beattie, Greenwald, and Alex Jones.

04:43:29.000 Just throw in a name.

04:43:30.000 I want to see what you guys thought.

04:43:32.000 Who did you think performed the best?

04:43:35.000 And then we'll do the worst after.

04:43:38.000 So let's see, we got Nick, Glenn, MemeTix, Darren, Darren, no one, Nick, MemeTix, Darren, Darren, Gren, Gren, Greenwald, Glenn, Greenwald, Leafy, Glenn, Nick, Destiny, Darren, and so it's all over the place, I guess.

04:43:58.000 A lot of Darren, a lot of Glenn, a lot of me.

04:44:02.000 A lot of meme tics.

04:44:04.000 All right.

04:44:04.000 Now, who do you think did the worst?

04:44:06.000 Now, out of everybody that was there, say who you thought was the absolute worst.

04:44:12.000 Who did you think performed the worst and was the most annoying?

04:44:17.000 Moderator included.

04:44:18.000 So out of the seven, who do you think was the worst?

04:44:24.000 Let's see.

04:44:24.000 A lot of Destiny.

04:44:25.000 It's almost all Destiny.

04:44:29.000 Crossland yeah, yeah a lot but mostly destiny some Alex For me, I would say I would probably rank it Darren Glenn Then I would say Alex begrudgingly then I'd say the Krasensteins then I'd say Ian Crossland then I'd say destiny at the very bottom now that would be my ranking but All right.

04:44:54.000 Well, I got a p2.

04:44:55.000 So let me read these super chats and then I'll get out of here I've been streaming for

04:45:04.000 Only Jesus sent $5.

04:45:05.000 One of the things I love about you, Nicholas, is that you will press go live at 5 a.m.

04:45:10.000 with no shame and deliver a banger show.

04:45:13.000 Yeah, well, that's just a quirk of how I am.

04:45:18.000 Listen.

04:45:19.000 You can have a brilliant, fearless, visionary, genius leader.

04:45:22.000 You can't always have a fearless, brilliant, genius, visionary leader that's exactly on time every day, okay?

04:45:32.000 But I'm glad you like the show.

04:45:33.000 You know, I do the show, you watch it eventually, okay?

04:45:37.000 It's the 21st century.

04:45:38.000 This isn't the Ed Sullivan show, you know?

04:45:41.000 It's not like you need to gather around the television, oh, Ed Sullivan is live!

04:45:44.000 Oh, who's the other one?

04:45:49.000 You know who I'm talking about?

04:45:51.000 Johnny Carson's on!

04:45:52.000 Everybody gathered around the television set at 8 o'clock.

04:45:55.000 Like, it's the 21st century.

04:45:57.000 You missed a stream? 0.99

04:45:58.000 Fucking watch a replay, okay? 0.99

04:46:00.000 Everybody goes, you're late, you're late. 1.00

04:46:03.000 Watch it at your convenience!

04:46:05.000 The replays are available forever!

04:46:07.000 Just tune in at a later time.

04:46:09.000 You're not awake at 4am?

04:46:11.000 Watch it at 3pm! 1.00

04:46:13.000 It's called the fucking internet. 1.00

04:46:14.000 It's called 5G. 1.00

04:46:15.000 Get an iPhone.

04:46:17.000 Well, he wasn't on time.

04:46:20.000 Is this in a radio show?

04:46:21.000 I should be.

04:46:24.000 I should be on time.

04:46:26.000 I'm gonna be on time.

04:46:27.000 We're gonna relaunch the show later this year and I'm gonna be on time every day, okay?

04:46:32.000 I know I should be.

04:46:33.000 I know, I know, I know.

04:46:34.000 There's no excuse.

04:46:34.000 There's really no excuse and I should be on time and I, you know, and I try to be on time but I'm not good at it.

04:46:43.000 And I will be!

04:46:45.000 I'm just saying, everybody gets so pressed about it.

04:46:47.000 Like, relax, Goyim, the show goes live.

04:46:52.000 So what?

04:46:52.000 I'm a couple hours late.

04:46:55.000 I'm one hour late. 0.97

04:46:56.000 You gonna kill me for that? 0.59

04:46:58.000 I was 30 minutes late. 0.95

04:46:59.000 I mean, I don't even know.

04:47:00.000 You're getting mad at me because I was five seconds late.

04:47:04.000 The show goes live when it goes live.

04:47:07.000 You complain about everything.

04:47:11.000 That's my Jew impression.

04:47:12.000 That's my impression of a Jew.

04:47:14.000 That's literally how I am, but with time.

04:47:17.000 That's how I am, but with punctuality.

04:47:20.000 The show goes live when it goes live.

04:47:22.000 You complain about everything, Goyim. 1.00

04:47:24.000 You should be grateful you even have a show.

04:47:27.000 In fact, you should be thanking me that I do the show at all.

04:47:32.000 That's my Jewish impression.

04:47:37.000 That's my impression of any Jew in the world that's alive. 1.00

04:47:42.000 I was five seconds late!

04:47:47.000 So what?

04:47:51.000 Alright.

04:47:52.000 I'm having fun with that.

04:47:57.000 I'm a time Jew.

04:47:59.000 Jews covet money. 1.00

04:48:01.000 I covet time, okay? 0.94

04:48:03.000 Jews have 0.99

04:48:05.000 The gold watches.

04:48:06.000 I have the time.

04:48:09.000 Alright, um... Okay.

04:48:12.000 Yeah, but I'll be on time, okay?

04:48:14.000 I promise.

04:48:15.000 I just struggle with it because I'm... I really just am all over the place.

04:48:19.000 I'm scatterbrained.

04:48:20.000 I'm a little ADHD.

04:48:23.000 I just get lost, you know?

04:48:25.000 I kind of get lost doing something else. 0.98

04:48:28.000 And then I'm like, oh damn, it's midnight. 0.99

04:48:29.000 Oh shit, it's 3 a.m. 0.99

04:48:32.000 I fall asleep everywhere, you know, because I'm up all night, sleep all day. 0.99

04:48:35.000 But I'm glad you like the show.

04:48:38.000 I'll bang it back.

04:48:39.000 Talked over?

04:48:40.000 I don't get it.

04:49:05.000 Thank you.

04:49:06.000 I don't know how you could.

04:49:07.000 I don't know how you could watch this, figure out what's going on, and then go back to like... Biden farted.

04:49:16.000 Breaking news, Biden tripped and fell today. 1.00

04:49:18.000 And that's because he's a mental retard. 1.00

04:49:20.000 Like... 0.99

04:49:35.000 You know, I don't know how you could ever go back.

04:49:36.000 Once you go GROYP, you never go back. 0.96

04:49:41.000 So... And yeah, Destiny is retarded. 0.98

04:49:48.000 MC sent $20. 0.61

04:49:49.000 Hey buddy.

04:49:51.000 Been watching the debate. 1.00

04:49:52.000 It does suck. 0.96

04:49:53.000 Hopefully you'll get in some debates this year because those are the only ones truly worth watching.

04:49:58.000 Anyone you'd really like to debate?

04:50:00.000 Love ya.

04:50:01.000 Hey, love you too.

04:50:02.000 Yeah, I hope I get in some debates too, because I really do feel like I'm the only good one.

04:50:08.000 People I'd like to debate?

04:50:09.000 I don't know.

04:50:12.000 Ben Shapiro.

04:50:15.000 Jordan Peterson.

04:50:17.000 Matt Walsh.

04:50:19.000 Honestly, anybody with a big following, I'm game.

04:50:25.000 Whoa! 0.71

04:50:28.000 What the?

04:50:29.000 Dude, this guy's rich!

04:50:31.000 This guy must be rich.

04:50:33.000 This is why I love rich people and why I hate poor people.

04:50:37.000 Want to know why?

04:50:38.000 Because rich people...

04:50:40.000 Stacking bands I'm this guy's been super chatting like hundreds of dollars every day for weeks occasionally thousands and Then just out of nowhere boom another thousand.

04:50:51.000 Thank you very much Everybody Oh seven in the chat for I'm hoplite.

04:50:56.000 Thank you so much.

04:50:57.000 This guy's like sponsoring the show I hope you know that this guy's paying for the show him and AT Drummond and a few others Huge thank you to I'm hoplite.

04:51:08.000 Happy January 6th

04:51:10.000 07's to you and I appreciate the big super chat.

04:51:13.000 God bless.

04:51:15.000 You keepin' the lights on here.

04:51:16.000 You keepin' the meal prep kits in the microwave.

04:51:21.000 So thank you.

04:51:21.000 It was mostly Jewish.

04:51:22.000 You're right.

04:51:30.000 Psy-Opt-Grunt sent $10.

04:51:31.000 Psy-Opt-Gunt, huh?

04:51:33.000 That hurts, man.

04:51:34.000 Sorry, that's years of... I thought it said Psy-Opt-Gunt, but that, you know, that's psychological damage.

04:51:42.000 That's years of psychological damage that I would see Grunt and read it as Gunt.

04:51:48.000 That's like PTSD.

04:51:49.000 That's like when a firework goes off and you think you're back in Mosul.

04:51:53.000 You know, that's like... That's the same thing, you know.

04:52:00.000 Fourth of July weekend or New Year's Eve and you think you're back in Ho Chi Minh City.

04:52:07.000 So, you can't blame me for that.

04:52:10.000 That's just something I'll have to live with.

04:52:12.000 Permanent brain damage.

04:52:14.000 Joseph Quesada sent $5.

04:52:16.000 Every major event in world history.

04:52:18.000 Alex Jones I was there.

04:52:19.000 My grandfather was there.

04:52:21.000 My great-uncle was there.

04:52:22.000 My father was there.

04:52:23.000 Etc.

04:52:24.000 Good observation.

04:52:25.000 He does do that.

04:52:27.000 Well, hey, Darren's good, okay?

04:52:29.000 Darren and Glenn are good.

04:52:31.000 They're a couple of the good ones.

04:52:33.000 Probably got his phone in his lap or something.

04:52:36.000 True.

04:52:57.000 Yeah, that's 100% right.

04:52:58.000 Why?

04:52:58.000 What did he say during the debate?

04:53:00.000 Hmm.

04:53:26.000 Great Days sent $10, you can see how debate is part of Jewish DNA.

04:53:30.000 They are calm while Destiny and Alex are speeding at each other.

04:53:33.000 The seating positions are dynamic as well.

04:53:37.000 Very true.

04:53:39.000 AJ as a Fed sent $3.

04:53:41.000 Some of these people accused AJ of disinfo before their downfall.

04:53:44.000 The most notable name is Bill Cooper but there are multiple others.

04:53:48.000 LMK if you want more names.

04:53:50.000 Might be interesting to look into.

04:53:52.000 What am I supposed to look into?

04:53:54.000 Bill Cooper?

04:53:56.000 You gotta tell me specifically what happened.

04:53:59.000 Joseph Quesada sent $100.

04:54:01.000 I'm beginning to think Alex is just controlled opposition and instrument used to lead conservatives astray while at the same time create an image of conservatives that validates preconceived notions of the alcoholic, irrational, tinfoil hat wearing uncle so as to discredit the right as a whole.

04:54:16.000 He is useful to the opposition more than he is a threat.

04:54:20.000 Yeah, that's possible.

04:54:21.000 I don't know.

04:54:22.000 I don't feel confident saying that he's a Fed.

04:54:24.000 I mean, certainly it's a possibility.

04:54:27.000 I think it's plausible that he's some form of controlled opposition.

04:54:31.000 But I don't feel certain about that. 0.86

04:54:34.000 I wouldn't even say I'm confident about that because he could really just be like an unhinged maniac.

04:54:41.000 You know, I don't know that you can necessarily say that

04:54:45.000 I think it's plausible that there is some level of handling going on like I would be a lot more Confident saying he's being handled in some way than that.

04:54:53.000 He is like You know that he's an actor that he's an agent or something But who really knows I just I just look at what he says.

04:55:03.000 I just analyze what he says because without

04:55:08.000 Without real evidence, I mean, because he seems like a pretty sincere guy.

04:55:12.000 He's like a sincere alcoholic and chain smoker and all that.

04:55:15.000 Like, he seems pretty authentic in some ways.

04:55:20.000 But thanks for the big super chat.

04:55:22.000 Fern McFriendly sent $10.

04:55:24.000 Alex Jones is a Twitch hot tub thot jiggling about for shekels. 0.98

04:55:27.000 Please make it stop.

04:55:29.000 Frowny face.

04:55:31.000 No cash sent $100.

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04:55:34.000 Hey! 0.99

04:55:35.000 Thanks for the big super chat and no message.

04:55:38.000 I love you for that.

04:55:39.000 Thanks for supporting the show.

04:55:41.000 I appreciate you. 0.98

04:55:43.000 Doge shit poster 69 sent $3. 0.97

04:55:45.000 If you burn down an empty federal courthouse, you are still interfering with official proceedings because you can't use that building for future official proceedings until the building is repaired. 0.98

04:55:55.000 That's neither here nor there.

04:55:57.000 Joseph Quesada sent $5, jugular vein bulging, erratic jaw movement, pale, sweaty destiny was clearly on Adderall.

04:56:05.000 Think so?

04:56:07.000 TheRumbling sent $3.

04:56:09.000 As someone who has studied Jews for many years, I have to ask, do you ever deliberately employ Jewish tactics? 0.98

04:56:16.000 Fire with fire? 1.00

04:56:16.000 That's a stupid question. 1.00

04:56:18.000 What is that, what is a Jewish tactic? 1.00

04:56:22.000 Lying?

04:56:22.000 Like, you know.

04:56:28.000 They're just unscrupulous.

04:56:29.000 It's not like they... I mean, I don't know.

04:56:32.000 I guess they have some kind of a playbook, but I feel like in general it's just deception. 0.94

04:56:41.000 Any good liar is just doing what a lot of Jews are very capable of doing, so... 1.00

04:56:49.000 So, no.

04:56:49.000 Because I fundamentally am a sincere person.

04:56:51.000 I wear my heart on my sleeve.

04:56:53.000 I try to tell the truth.

04:56:54.000 So, no.

04:56:56.000 I think that fundamentally what it all boils down to is dishonesty and deception.

04:57:02.000 So, I mean, that bag of tricks is just called deception.

04:57:05.000 You know, if you say, well, do you use Jewish tricks? 1.00

04:57:08.000 I mean, we can categorize that and say it's deception.

04:57:12.000 Which, no.

04:57:13.000 I'm the opposite of that.

04:57:15.000 Brian Mills sent $10, ever play Ultima General Civil War, or Grand Tactician?

04:57:20.000 Also this is the worst debate I have ever seen you watch.

04:57:23.000 Love you Dago.

04:57:24.000 Dick Coomer sent $3, these people are very obnoxious.

04:57:28.000 I commend your ability to keep calm when debating them.

04:57:30.000 Has years of enduring cringe superchats toughened your constitution?

04:57:46.000 Pat Brady sent $40, Nick.

04:57:48.000 Started following you after the debate you did against Destiny and Hassan on the Trainwrecks show 4 years ago, but finally became redpilled on the JQ after yay on Infowars.

04:57:58.000 Here's some of my do's, keep up the good work and thank you for being willing to tell the truth even when it's difficult.

04:58:03.000 Well thank you very much, that's very fulfilling.

04:58:06.000 Why did it take you 4 years to get redpilled to 3 years?

04:58:11.000 Or no, 4!

04:58:11.000 No.

04:58:15.000 Yeah, no, three.

04:58:16.000 Cuz yay was 2022.

04:58:18.000 So it took you three and a half years to get red-pilled on Jews.

04:58:22.000 You were watching my show for over three years and it never clicked until we went on Alex Jones and said we loved Hitler. 0.68

04:58:29.000 Thanks for the super chat, but how does that happen?

04:58:31.000 How do you watch this show and say, I agree with everything other than the Jewish topic? 1.00

04:58:35.000 Like, that's kind of the whole basis of it.

04:58:37.000 That's like 60%, easily 50 or 60% or more of what I talk about, especially lately.

04:58:44.000 Lately, it's like 90%.

04:58:47.000 So how do you watch the show and say, well, I agree on everything other than that?

04:58:51.000 What?

04:58:52.000 But hey, I appreciate, you know, better late than never.

04:58:55.000 Well, he just said that she's likely to win.

04:59:08.000 Joseph Quesada sent $10, Nick is a threat because he is persuasive, charming and bold.

04:59:13.000 Nobody on that panel is a threat.

04:59:16.000 They all look sloppy, greasy, and have weak voices and posture are on drugs. 0.99

04:59:20.000 Alex is a red-faced alcoholic. 0.83

04:59:22.000 They could have the best ideas in the world it wouldn't matter.

04:59:25.000 That's why they're allowed to talk.

04:59:27.000 It's more than that, Alex Jones is a Shabbos Goy and the other two are Jews, so it's not just about their looks. 1.00

04:59:39.000 Yeah, must be nice.

04:59:44.000 I guess I never got the memo.

04:59:45.000 When I got put on the no-fly list, I should have just put in a word and said, hey, uh, you think I could just get pulled off of that real quick?

04:59:53.000 That's, by the way, exactly what I did.

04:59:55.000 I called the TSA, and you know what they told me?

04:59:58.000 They said, even if you are on the list, we can't even tell you if you're on the list.

05:00:02.000 Then they said file a complaint.

05:00:06.000 So I called up TSA.

05:00:08.000 I explained my situation.

05:00:10.000 They said, well, technically the no-fly list is confidential law enforcement information.

05:00:18.000 So if you suspect you're on the list, we can't confirm that.

05:00:21.000 But if you suspect it, you can file a trip application, traveler redress inquiry program.

05:00:28.000 We're good to go!

05:00:43.000 Gotta love it.

05:00:44.000 Okay, stop saying that.

05:00:45.000 No, they don't... It's not that they don't understand, they're just stupid. 1.00

05:00:48.000 They don't understand the topic. 1.00

05:01:13.000 Thanks.

05:01:13.000 Appreciate it.

05:01:15.000 The Quack sent $3.

05:01:17.000 Happy Anniversary!

05:01:18.000 Did you ever get my mail?

05:01:20.000 Quack.

05:01:20.000 Happy Anniversary!

05:01:21.000 No!

05:01:22.000 I haven't checked my P.O.

05:01:23.000 box, but I'll check it this week.

05:01:26.000 I didn't mean to flip off that girl, but I hate when women say to me, or anyone for that matter, says, we need to find you a girl. 1.00

05:01:33.000 It's like, get the fuck out of my face, OK? 0.99

05:01:35.000 Thanks for the super chat. 0.97

05:01:36.000 Thank you.

05:01:37.000 God bless you.

05:01:38.000 Thanks for watching.

05:01:39.000 I appreciate it.

05:01:41.000 It just triggers me when people say, hope you meet a nice young lady. 0.99

05:01:44.000 Like, get the fuck out of my face. 0.99

05:01:45.000 Who asked you? 1.00

05:01:47.000 You know?

05:01:49.000 Kind of not your business, but thanks anyway, I guess.

05:01:51.000 Bob Hitler sent $3. 0.74

05:01:53.000 Glenn broke Destiny's pelvis.

05:01:57.000 I don't know, but whenever he pronounces the letter S, his jaw goes to the side.

05:02:05.000 He goes like S. It's weird. 0.65

05:02:09.000 It like juts out.

05:02:10.000 You're right, like horizontally.

05:02:12.000 It's very strange.

05:02:21.000 Smarty sent $10.

05:02:23.000 Even though he's been cringe, Alex has more testosterone than all three of the liberals on the panel combined.

05:02:28.000 True.

05:02:29.000 You're right.

05:02:30.000 Weast sent $50.

05:02:31.000 Love ya.

05:02:32.000 Hey, love you too, man.

05:02:34.000 Thank you.

05:02:35.000 Eddie Van Graham sent $3.

05:02:37.000 Destiny and others of his ilk have no ability to conceptualize interest-based politics.

05:02:42.000 Their position is a combination of naivety and hubris.

05:02:45.000 30 IQ Super Chatter breaking out the $5 words.

05:02:52.000 Your ilk cannot conceptualize interest-based politics.

05:02:56.000 It's a combination of naivete and hubris.

05:02:59.000 Bruh.

05:03:01.000 Stay talking like a baby because you are one.

05:03:04.000 But thanks for the superchat. 1.00

05:03:05.000 Shut the fuck up, retard. 1.00

05:03:07.000 You just sound like a retard. 1.00

05:03:18.000 Brother, you gotta- DUDES WILL WATCH A VIDEO AND SAY NICE? 1.00

05:03:23.000 DUDES WILL WATCH A VIDEO OF TWO GUYS SHAKING HANDS AND BE LIKE, NICE!

05:03:30.000 THE DUDES IN QUESTION, NICE! 1.00

05:03:34.000 BROTHER, YOU GOTTA WATCH SHARKNADEO AND TAKE- Shut the fuck up, idiot. 1.00

05:03:42.000 Just give me a Diet Coke, alright? 1.00

05:03:45.000 No more questions, please.

05:03:48.000 Just bring me another Pepsi.

05:03:49.000 Hold the funny remarks.

05:03:50.000 Thank you. 0.92

05:03:53.000 Yeah, it did suck. 0.83

05:04:05.000 Eddie Van Graham sent $3.

05:04:07.000 I'm sorry I let you down and forgot to send money for the money bomb stream.

05:04:11.000 Relative of mine past.

05:04:12.000 Love you, big guy.

05:04:14.000 Keep fighting the good fight.

05:04:17.000 Weird, weird emotional play there.

05:04:20.000 Weird emotional blackmail, like, emotional landmine hostage play there.

05:04:28.000 Sorry, I... I'm sorry I didn't give any money to you.

05:04:34.000 Someone I know died.

05:04:36.000 Sorry!

05:04:40.000 I'm really sorry I didn't give you a million dollars.

05:04:44.000 I know that was shitty of me.

05:04:46.000 It's just my relatives all died.

05:04:49.000 Sorry!

05:04:50.000 Sorry!

05:04:50.000 I know it's no excuse.

05:04:52.000 It's like, what the fuck is that? 0.99

05:04:53.000 What kind of game are you running on me, pal? 1.00

05:04:57.000 What is that all about?

05:05:00.000 Okay, sorry for your loss.

05:05:03.000 What do you want me to say here?

05:05:06.000 You know, did you think that I was on the Money Bomb stream, like, checking off?

05:05:09.000 Like, hmm. 1.00

05:05:11.000 Eddie Van Gram didn't give any money, fucking piece of shit. 1.00

05:05:15.000 He better have a good excuse. 1.00

05:05:16.000 I hope somebody he know died, because this is... He's out of here, man. 0.52

05:05:21.000 What?

05:05:23.000 Why would you even say that?

05:05:25.000 Weird, weird way to frame it.

05:05:26.000 But hey, thanks for the super chat now, I guess.

05:05:30.000 It's okay that you didn't donate because your relative died.

05:05:33.000 Don't need to apologize.

05:05:34.000 I'm sorry for your loss.

05:05:35.000 That is terrible.

05:05:37.000 I hope you're doing okay.

05:05:39.000 Why'd you say it like that?

05:05:40.000 That's like emotional terrorism.

05:05:45.000 Bro is ter- I'm sorry I let you down and didn't give you money because my relatives died.

05:05:50.000 What?

05:05:52.000 Who says that?

05:05:53.000 Thanks, though.

05:05:54.000 Also, sorry.

05:05:54.000 Also, it's okay.

05:05:55.000 I know what you said.

05:05:55.000 I love you, too.

05:05:56.000 I know what you said.

05:05:56.000 I'm just... It's amusing when foreigners say things like, you know, I have this American sense of humor.

05:06:00.000 I imagine, you know, Euro trash types and they're like, you know, 1.00

05:06:23.000 You know, I'm not going to do an impression because it's too late. 0.98

05:06:26.000 I'm going to botch it, but I can imagine Eurotrash that just is so like uncool and lame. 0.86

05:06:32.000 They're like, look at me. 0.95

05:06:33.000 I'm like an American.

05:06:34.000 It's like, no, you're not.

05:06:35.000 You're not like an American. 1.00

05:06:37.000 Come to America and we'll see how American you are.

05:06:41.000 Bruh said, I am online, so I'm basically like an American.

05:06:44.000 No, no, pal.

05:06:45.000 Sorry, you're not.

05:06:47.000 Sorry.

05:06:47.000 I know y'all want to be American, but you're not.

05:06:53.000 This is, wow, actually a good superchat from you.

05:06:55.000 Usually your superchats are terrible, but this was very good.

05:06:58.000 Well done.

05:07:16.000 Actually very insightful and correct and well said.

05:07:18.000 Nice job.

05:07:20.000 Alan Andrade sent $10.

05:07:22.000 First super chat.

05:07:23.000 I love the show.

05:07:24.000 Thank you.

05:07:25.000 Thank you.

05:07:25.000 Thanks for the first super chat.

05:07:27.000 The first of many.

05:07:29.000 Now I have you hooked.

05:07:32.000 Now you're all mine.

05:07:34.000 Thanks for the super chat.

05:07:35.000 Glad you like the show.

05:07:37.000 Johnny Bravo 7.

05:07:38.000 I love when people say it's my first super chat.

05:07:40.000 It's like when you give someone heroin for the first time.

05:07:44.000 It's like

05:07:47.000 Now, now you're gonna be my super chatter forever.

05:07:52.000 You can never leave.

05:07:54.000 Johnny Bravo $0.075.

05:07:56.000 Great reaction, Nick.

05:07:58.000 This debate would have been great had it been Green Wall. 0.95

05:08:00.000 Darren vs. the Jew Brothers. 0.98

05:08:02.000 Listening to Alex Jones speak just makes me want to shove a screwdriver in my ear.

05:08:06.000 Destiny 2. 1.00

05:08:07.000 They both sucked. 0.98

05:08:09.000 Yeah, I agree. 1.00

05:08:09.000 It would have been better without them. 1.00

05:08:11.000 Me too, Darren was excellent.

05:08:30.000 Jimbo Zoomer sent $10.

05:08:32.000 My entire timeline is Destiny a-logging and holy cow he is so hard to listen to but for you and JonTron I'll keep going till he is destroyed.

05:08:40.000 Also, I still haven't remailed your Christmas present but soon. 0.74

05:08:43.000 You freaking rock, dude. 0.83

05:08:45.000 You freaking rock! 0.57

05:08:46.000 Everybody, 07 to Jimbo. 0.93

05:08:49.000 Jimbo has been the source a-logging Destiny.

05:08:52.000 I don't know how a Sandy can take it. 0.98

05:08:55.000 Because he has had to watch

05:08:57.000 Because I don't do it.

05:08:59.000 I can't watch that guy.

05:09:01.000 But Destiny, or rather Jimbo, is there day in day out, A-logging Destiny, watching his content, clipping it up, sending it in the group chat, coordinating the attack.

05:09:13.000 So we gotta give him the credit.

05:09:14.000 We love you, Jimbo.

05:09:16.000 You're one of my favorite shows on Cozy.

05:09:19.000 Easily.

05:09:20.000 Easily, like... You and Paul Town gotta be some of my favorites, so... I don't wanna say... If I say my favorite, then, you know, someone is gonna... Someone's gonna be jumping on a stream.

05:09:33.000 I always hated Nick Ford, you know?

05:09:35.000 If I say... If I say Jimbo's my favorite, then, you know, one of these streamers...

05:09:43.000 Red Pill Jacob is gonna do his first livestream ever and he's gonna say, I always hated Nick Fuentes. 1.00

05:09:49.000 I always knew he was an asshole! 0.99

05:09:52.000 Now I'm going to tell everybody. 1.00

05:09:54.000 Now I'm going to tell the whole world.

05:09:56.000 America First is crumbling.

05:09:58.000 I can't say you and Paul Towne are my favorites because then it's going to initiate a whole new cycle.

05:10:06.000 But you're up there, my friend.

05:10:08.000 And I appreciate it.

05:10:09.000 Love you.

05:10:10.000 Love your show.

05:10:10.000 You rock.

05:10:11.000 You're awesome. 1.00

05:10:12.000 You're the shit. 0.99

05:10:14.000 And thank you for your service. 1.00

05:10:17.000 You're making a difference.

05:10:20.000 Hey, thanks a lot!

05:10:25.000 I don't know any Colombians, but... Look, I'm Mexican.

05:10:28.000 I love you guys.

05:10:30.000 Love all my Spanish speakers.

05:10:32.000 Except Puerto Ricans. 1.00

05:10:34.000 Fuck Puerto Ricans. 1.00

05:10:35.000 But everybody else... And, you know, Brazilians aren't really Hispanics, but... Everybody else, love you. 1.00

05:10:43.000 Shoutout Colombians. 1.00

05:10:45.000 Shout out, well, and Venezuelans are really shitting everything up lately. 1.00

05:10:50.000 Shout out Peruvians, Ecuadorians, Chileans, Argentine, we love all you guys. 0.97

05:10:58.000 All you guys down there.

05:11:01.000 And the rest of them, you know, Paraguayan, Uruguayan, Bolivian.

05:11:09.000 Love you all.

05:11:11.000 So, thanks a lot.

05:11:13.000 Thanks.

05:11:19.000 I was kidding about Puerto Ricans. 1.00

05:11:21.000 I was kidding. 0.96

05:11:22.000 It's a joke, because Mexicans and Puerto Ricans hate each other. 1.00

05:11:25.000 I actually don't care.

05:11:27.000 I don't have any animosity for Puerto Ricans.

05:11:29.000 That was a joke.

05:11:31.000 That was a joke, but I waited on the punchline so it would land a little better.

05:11:34.000 Or to say that it was a joke, rather.

05:11:38.000 But no, I'm not one of these Mexico pride people.

05:11:41.000 I mean, my Mexican grandfather died in the 70s, so I'm not part of that beef.

05:11:50.000 But it is true that Mexicans and Puerto Ricans hate each other.

05:11:52.000 But not me.

05:11:53.000 I love everybody.

05:11:57.000 Wordsarewords sent $5, there's a connection between Jerome Corsi and Alex Jones, Corsi has been accused of being Mossad or an arm of Israel, maybe that's how Alex knew about 9-11 and Epstein way ahead of time.

05:12:09.000 Keep up the good work Nick!

05:12:14.000 Mr. Mime sent $10, that other super chatter is retarded, liberals don't understand interest based politics because they don't care about their own interests, they choose political positions based on what they think will win them the most debates online. 0.90

05:12:29.000 Cheers!

05:12:29.000 Hey thank you man, glad you liked the stream.

05:12:41.000 The kidster sent three dollars.

05:12:42.000 Hey, if you are still looking for a solution to your problem, you can use Pepto-Bismol, whole A2 milk, and a good candle to settle your stomach.

05:12:51.000 Frequent runs are a common problem for me.

05:12:53.000 Okay, thanks for that.

05:12:55.000 That's not a problem I have, but thanks for the super chat.

05:12:58.000 Appreciate it.

05:13:00.000 Okay, all right Yeah, that's it.

05:13:03.000 I'm done.

05:13:04.000 I'm I've been streaming for as long as I've been alive.

05:13:07.000 I've been streaming for five hours That's too much for me because I stream at a very high level And I have ADHD and I'm rambunctious.

05:13:16.000 I can't be seated for that long doing doing this But hey, thanks everybody for watching.

05:13:21.000 I hope you enjoyed the stream.

05:13:22.000 Sorry.

05:13:22.000 We were a little late Sorry, we were this ever slightest bit late two hours, whatever

05:13:31.000 But thanks for joining us.

05:13:32.000 Thanks for watching.

05:13:33.000 I hope you like the stream.

05:13:35.000 Follow me on Rumble.

05:13:36.000 Follow me.

05:13:37.000 If you're not following me already, we just hit 50,000 subs. 0.99

05:13:40.000 Follow me now, bitch. 1.00

05:13:42.000 Follow me or else. 1.00

05:13:44.000 Or else I will kill you. 1.00

05:13:45.000 No, I'm kidding. 1.00

05:13:46.000 Kidding!

05:13:47.000 I'm not threatening anyone with violence.

05:13:50.000 That was a joke.

05:13:52.000 But follow me here on Rumble.

05:13:56.000 And I'll be streaming again on Monday.

05:13:59.000 I'll be back Monday doing my show.

05:14:01.000 And I want to give a shout out to our Super Chatters.

05:14:05.000 Special thanks to I'm Hoplite, Joseph Cazzata, and No Cash.

05:14:10.000 Huge thanks to you guys!

05:14:12.000 Especially I'm Hoplite for the $1,000.

05:14:16.000 Really appreciate it.

05:14:18.000 Happy January 6th, everybody.

05:14:19.000 Thanks for spending it with me.

05:14:22.000 I am going to play us out.

05:14:25.000 I'm gonna pick a song here.

05:14:27.000 Let's play... Let's play a little... Let's do a little... What?

05:14:45.000 What am I gonna play?

05:14:47.000 Oh, we gotta do... What's that song that we played for Glenn Greenwald?

05:14:54.000 Because it was Glenn Greenwald! 0.99

05:14:56.000 Well, no, that song actually sucks. 0.99

05:14:58.000 Never mind. 0.98

05:14:58.000 I thought it was a good idea. 0.98

05:14:59.000 I hate that idea now.

05:15:02.000 Let's play... Let's play, um... Hmm...

05:15:16.000 Let's play... We gotta do Beach... I'm feeling Space Song.

05:15:29.000 I don't know why.

05:15:30.000 Lately, my whole life is Space Song by Beach House.

05:15:34.000 Alright, that's it.

05:15:37.000 Thanks for watching.

05:15:38.000 Have a great evening.

05:15:39.000 Enjoy your weekend.

05:15:42.000 Happy Patriots Day!

05:16:27.000 It was late at night.

05:16:31.000 You held on tight.

05:16:33.000 From an empty seat.

05:16:55.000 It'll take a while to make you small.

05:17:04.000 Somewhere in these eyes, I'm on your side.

05:17:14.000 You wide-eyed girls, you get it wrong. 1.00

05:18:12.000 Tender is the night

05:18:38.000 Let's go.

05:19:28.000 Take it easy.

America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - January 07, 2024

January 6th Debate | Jones, Beattie, Greenwald VS Destiny, Krassensteins

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