00:03:38.000I thought if we were going to bring in somebody I didn't recognize, I thought it was going to get ugly, but no, thank you very much for the kind words.
00:05:01.000Or maybe not, but it's just very bothersome.
00:05:03.000So I'm in the Discord right now, okay?
00:05:05.000And I'm trying to drag in people down here.
00:05:09.000But, you know, once you start dragging them, you can't drag them all the way back up here.
00:05:13.000So it's like I'd like to drag in, you know, like this guy, for example, or whatever, but can't click them, got to bring them all the way up here.
00:07:26.000There was this guy named Zoom who was on the Backyard Bloodsports stream, and apparently it came out that he was a pedophile hacker who docks people.
00:07:38.000And it was like a fucking five hour kill stream session, and people were putting him on quote unquote trial.
00:08:46.000Well, I mean, the trouble now is you got Andy and JF both streaming right now.
00:08:52.000So it's really not an ideal situation.
00:08:54.000I thought Andy and JF coming apart, not going to lie, I thought that would be kind of a good thing for me because I thought, you know, they're not going to be streaming and that means Nick.
00:09:04.000Is the undisputed king of late night, but now they've just multiplied.
00:09:08.000Now it's just two of them, and so it's even more difficult.
00:09:14.000You've got the thoughts, fucking thought stream on one side, and I don't know what's Andy doing right now.
00:09:20.000I haven't been keeping up with old, what is it, cocaine head?
00:09:25.000Yeah, he's doing the degeneracy stream right now.
00:09:27.000Literally called the degeneracy stream.
00:10:11.000Not only do they hack my Twitter and they post lewd things about Catboys, but also every time there's a picture of me, people edit it to make it look like I'm much shorter and smaller than I am.
00:10:58.000Well, I don't know if I should say because he doesn't want to be associated with the account, but I was standing next to one of my shitposting friends on Twitter, and he called out as Ben Shapiro was leaving to get prepared for his speech.
00:12:56.000Because from the point that, you know, I'm an atheist, and from the point that I see this, is that you were born in a culture and in a family, a society that is Christian in a sense, and you also became Christian not because of your rationalization and not because of the logic, but because you were born in a society that encourages that kind of thought.
00:13:25.000And if you were born in another time, in another geographic place, you would have their religion.
00:13:34.000So, you know, my question is kind of how do you rationalize it?
00:13:39.000Yeah, well, this is an interesting one.
00:13:41.000This is an atheist, which, you know, that's all right.
00:13:48.000I think Fulton Sheen had a very good explanation of why Christianity is exceptional.
00:13:53.000I mean, that's one of the questions that I had growing up.
00:13:56.000When I was growing up and I was thinking about religion and about reason and faith, I think that's a very good point, or it's one that I made when I was younger, which was.
00:14:05.000Like you said, for many people, religion is almost arbitrary.
00:14:09.000It's about as arbitrary as your place of birth.
00:14:11.000If you're born, like you said, if you're born in India, you're a Hindu.
00:14:14.000If you're born in, or you're likely a Hindu.
00:14:16.000If you're born in Pakistan, it's likely you're Muslim.
00:14:19.000If you're born, you know, in China, it's likely you're communist, whatever.
00:14:24.000But Fulton Sheen made a very good point that where Christianity excels is that Christianity, or rather Christ, unlike any other prophet, unlike any other religious figure, was foretold.
00:15:22.000But then I think once you get into Aquinas, once you start to understand the historical case, then I think that's what makes it a little bit different.
00:15:36.000You know, this is some sort of leftist, atheist point of view.
00:15:39.000You know, I'm not saying that atheism is necessarily the best.
00:15:44.000Groundwork to build a civilization or society or nation.
00:15:48.000It's just the realization that I've come to.
00:15:52.000I'm not saying it's something that brings me happiness, joy, or meaning in life, because I don't think it does.
00:15:59.000I think it's sort of a tragic atheism that I have.
00:16:03.000And, you know, I watch Richard Spencer and I've seen how he thinks on this topic, and I agree a lot of what he's saying is, you know, it's a tragic thing that I don't necessarily wish this upon other people.
00:16:21.000And I accept that Christianity has had a There's a history with Europe and European civilization.
00:16:30.000But, you know, I still struggle personally with the truth aspect.
00:16:37.000And, you know, you say obviously that Christianity is unique, it's special.
00:16:42.000But, you know, it's obviously coming from your point of view, which is biased.
00:16:45.000You know, inherently, you can probably even give me this because you are a Christian.
00:16:50.000And if I would talk to a Hindu or if I would talk to a person that worships, you know, the Greek gods of the past, they would say that their religion is.
00:17:06.000But again, I think you could look at the record independently of a Christian upbringing or a Christian background and see that those prophecies and the probability that they came true, it truly is exceptional.
00:17:18.000I mean, that's unlike Muhammad, unlike any of the major, unlike the Buddha, unlike any of them, Christ was foretold years, hundreds of years before.
00:17:30.000He came in such a remarkable way, it would have been impossible if you were to explain it with secular means.
00:17:36.000I mean, the statistical probability that those 460 some prophecies could all be fulfilled by Jesus Christ, it's at least a statistical anomaly, at least that.
00:17:49.000And so I think if you're looking at it from any perspective, whether it's a Muslim perspective, a Buddhist perspective, it's a real problem to explain that away without using religion.
00:17:57.000And then you get into the point about Jesus Christ and how he was able to create this religion.
00:18:03.000A very good book by Lee Strobel called The Case for Christ, where he lays out the historical case.
00:18:09.000And there's a stronger historical case for Christ's existence than there is for Alexander the Great in terms of primary sources, in terms of other history.
00:18:18.000So I think if you look at the historical case, if you look at the prophecies, if you look at the scholastic case that is made by Thomas Aquinas, I think you put all these things together, and even from a secular, even from an atheist, even from another religion's point of view, you would at the very least have to understand it.
00:18:36.000And look, it was Christ's religion which broke the pagans.
00:18:39.000You know, people like to bring up the pagans, and there was a lot of pagan posting on Twitter today because of Volkish folklorist, this dummy, this dumb pagan thought who was posting this nonsense.
00:18:52.000But even in that case, you know, you saw Christianity was able to subvert and destroy those religions as well.
00:18:59.000And it's because Christianity is fundamentally the truth.
00:19:03.000Have you looked into, just out of curiosity, have you really studied on Christianity?
00:19:13.000No, I actually haven't, but I am actually interested in reading more into the Bible, but also into other religions, such as the Islamic, the Quran.
00:19:25.000Not because I believe in it or worship it, but I'm interested in religion just in general.
00:19:35.000Have you always associated with being a Christian from birth?
00:19:39.000Is this something that you've always held to be true within you?
00:19:43.000Well, I've always been, I was raised Catholic, but, you know, I did go through a period of questioning, as I think many people did, and I always came back around to the church.
00:19:52.000I didn't really embrace it until I got into college last year, but I was always Christian.
00:22:55.000Yeah, I've always said, jokingly to my friends and other people that are religious, not that there actually are that many in Sweden, but I always had this kind of envy of religious people to me, they always seem to have this shine brighter than in just their everyday life.
00:23:18.000They seem happier, they seem more content with their life, even though they might be poorer, they might not be as well off, they just seem more content and happy.
00:23:34.000I mean, for somebody who really believes they have what is necessary to function in day to day life, which is a satisfactory explanation for death and for suffering.
00:23:48.000And, you know, that's a big thing that we've lost out on.
00:23:51.000I think people thought we got rid of God, and that means, oh, now I just get to do whatever I want.
00:27:30.000Yeah, it's that's I mean, that's one of the ones where you know, don't get me wrong, I like just about everything that they do, but and some of it's really smart and some of it's you know, challenging.
00:27:40.000But moms is just laugh out loud, funny.
00:29:43.000What do you think about the whole incel, how it's being taken up by mass media, and how, you know, our dear anime lovers may be confused with the incels?
00:30:46.000I think there's incel people that are into anime, and there's anime people that are incel, but they are different because there are incels that are not into anime, and there's anime people that are not even celibate.
00:35:08.000My question here is an electoral question.
00:35:10.000I know we're having a laid back stream here, but this goes back to the election of Trump.
00:35:18.000I mean, I had a discussion with a liberal at work about gerrymandering.
00:35:24.000And I said, so you value the people in metropolitans with the big population over communities that are smaller, but they might even have bigger resources and bigger land.
00:35:36.000Do you think that's going to play a part in these midterms here?
00:35:40.000The county lines and the demographics.
00:35:45.000Yeah, well, you know, this is something I talked a lot about on the 2018 podcast before it got shut down by Maker Support, or rather, Stripe shutting down Maker Support, shutting down the podcast, which is that what people don't know about the 2018 election is that Republicans have a massive, massive structural advantage.
00:36:05.000So, all this talk about the blue wave and the Democrat enthusiasm gap and all this kind of stuff.
00:36:12.000And you look at the generic ballot polling from week to week, and you've had Democrats fluctuating for the past couple of weeks.
00:36:18.000I haven't looked at it lately because I haven't been able to do the podcast, but I think the last time I checked was a little bit above 6%.
00:36:24.000Democrats were leading, I think, by a little bit more than 6% in the generic ballot polling on average for the RNC, or not for the RNC, for RCP.
00:36:33.000Now, what people don't know, they could look at that number and say, Democrats are up by 6%.
00:36:40.000But actually, there have been scholars that have said, That the Republican structural advantage because of redistricting in 2010, because Republicans controlled the Congress and they controlled a lot of the state houses when the census was taken in 2010, we have such a structural advantage left over from that that they would have to have at least 11%, 11% advantage in the generic ballot poll to overtake Republicans and take over the House.
00:37:07.000I mean, so that's the kind of advantage we have going into it because of gerrymandering.
00:37:12.000You look at states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, And we have a big advantage in that way.
00:37:17.000Additionally, you look at the Senate map.
00:37:19.000The Senate map is 100%, gives the advantage to the Republicans.
00:37:23.000It's only something like seven states, I think, that you have a Republican incumbent, and then the rest is Democrats.
00:37:30.000I think it's 24 Democrat seats, and that's including two independents, which caucus with the Democrats.
00:37:36.000And there was a recent thing that came out with The Hill that said that something like seven Democrat seats are now leaning to the right.
00:37:43.000And you can look at states like North Dakota.
00:37:46.000Where Heidi Heidkamp is the incumbent, states like Indiana, where it's Joe Donnelly who's the incumbent.
00:38:29.000You're talking about basically where people are placed geographically in the country.
00:38:33.000I mean, it's very black billing to see the metropolitans where you got these liberals literally stacked on top of each other in these buildings.
00:38:40.000I mean, you know, it's kind of black billing to see those populations rising.
00:38:44.000But I feel like all we need is a little bit of a baby boom in these big counties that were red.
00:38:51.000For Trump, and that there'll be like a structural balance.
00:38:56.000I mean, the good thing is that the people that are having babies in the country are the religious conservatives.
00:39:33.000Well, okay, so these people don't have, these people in these red counties out here, they don't have as much as a say on what's going on politically than these smaller areas, just because the smaller areas have more people.
00:39:47.000I think that's a really fundamental question to continue asking these liberals is why do you value these really small places over these huge swaths of land that are red, you know, just because there's more people?
00:40:01.000Well, yeah, I mean, that was one of the biggest misconceptions about the 2016 election, was suddenly liberals.
00:40:07.000Failed to understand the point of the Electoral College, which is part of the Federalist system.
00:40:13.000The whole point of having a federal system is to give states power as opposed to just people.
00:40:19.000You know, the founding fathers, the framers of the Constitution, they all understood that the country could not be run simply by a majority of people.
00:40:27.000They understood that the people, just like the government, just like the aristocracy, could become tyrannical.
00:40:35.000And that's why they had the Senate, which was the chamber of the states.
00:40:38.000That's why they had the Electoral College.
00:40:42.000And federal governments, but the libs want to make us essentially a European technocracy, and that's what we have to push back on some socialist technocracy where it's just the central government in Washington.
00:40:55.000They want to make it like the directory in revolutionary France or something like that, which that was never the intention of our government.
00:41:03.000Yeah, the Electoral College is definitely going to be a white pill for the next presidential election because, like you said, These big swaths of land, they're full of white conservatives having babies.
00:41:15.000So, you know, I just wanted to add that in there.
00:41:17.000You know, you can have your laid back show now.
00:43:27.000That I know personally, and they are not swayed by any of this.
00:43:32.000I mean, you can bring up the Talmud, you can bring up what they're doing to the Palestinians and all the rest, and it's quite literally a religious zealotry in favor of the state of Israel.
00:43:45.000And so, in that particular debate, I don't think that was really useful, only because the Talmud, Israel, contrary to what Schopper said, Israel and Zionism was not a religious project.
00:44:14.000But I do think it is worthwhile to talk to people about the Talmud so that they can understand that, I mean, really, the Jewish people are not friends to Jesus Christ, right?
00:44:25.000I mean, they can, and they have been the biggest beneficiaries of religious tolerance, right?
00:44:30.000I mean, this is why you have so many left wing Jews.
00:44:33.000It's because Jewish people inherently understand that if you ever had a very strong nationalist Christian country, it would be a very scary place for them.
00:44:44.000And look, that's not to say that we want them to be scared.
00:44:48.000That's not to say we want them to feel unsafe, but they have been the number one beneficiary of religious tolerance and coexistence.
00:44:56.000Because the minute a Christian starts to read into the rabbinical Jewish text or read what they say about our Savior, Suddenly, it changes the dynamic of the relationship.
00:45:05.000So, Jewish people, they all know, they all have a pretty good idea about Jesus Christ, and they think different things about him.
00:45:14.000Christians are very ignorant in terms of what their idea about our relationship with Jewish people is.
00:45:22.000And that's not to say we can't coexist with them, but it is to say, understand who benefits from that kind of, you know, this everybody should just forget religion and differences between religion don't matter.
00:46:18.000As well as you know, we are pretty Christian in our beliefs since we were the first nation.
00:46:25.000And I'm more often, how you could say it, I'm not that much into religion, but I was baptized here as an evangelical.
00:46:36.000And my question would be, oh, I have a couple of questions since I watched the stream.
00:46:42.000Yesterday, about this guy that was pre-designed, which I don't understand.
00:46:50.000What do you think about his views that he is so much into his beliefs that they need to protect Israel as a nation state?
00:46:59.000Why they actually are so immoral in their actions?
00:47:04.000Yeah, well, it's one of these arguments, and I like the Israel argument because it's so one sided.
00:47:09.000I mean, the historical record of the Zionists, you know, there's a very famous quote by Thomas Sowell, the black Chicago school economist.
00:47:18.000He said that the Record of communism, or rather, the record of failure for communism is so blatant that only an intellectual could evade or ignore it.
00:47:28.000And that's essentially the same thing with Zionism.
00:47:30.000The record of Zionist violence is so blatant, so obvious, so voluminous, it could only take somebody very slippery, very tricky, or some kind of intellectual to evade or deny it.
00:47:43.000And somebody like Arthur, you know, it's confirmation bias at the end of the day.
00:47:49.000You notice that he really didn't even.
00:47:50.000Flinch when I brought up the Levon affair or the USS Liberty or anything like that because a real American patriot, that would give them pause.
00:47:58.000You know, these people we support are barbarians and they kill our own citizens, our veterans, and all that.
00:48:05.000That should change our dynamic with them.
00:48:08.000But you saw that that just fit into his narrative that anybody who questions Israel is an anti Semite, is a hater, and all that.
00:48:15.000I think the reason for that is because a lot of politicians are bought by them and a lot of.
00:48:24.000Let's say politicians have dual citizenships, and you could say they are pretty biased in their politics.
00:48:32.000And these are mostly the neocons that are pushing this pro Israel, let's say, state.
00:48:40.000And you could say I'm actually rather left wing, if you would call that.
00:48:46.000So, since I'm not a right winger in the case of my beliefs, but I still am pretty red pilled, I would say, since I can see the facts.
00:48:55.000And I can see that there are a lot of issues in this world since, like, for immigration, I myself am a Green Biden, don't agree with the immigration politics we have here, or you guys would probably get if the left, you could say the left, will take control over your state much longer because I don't see them as actually left wing.
00:49:20.000They are more like centrists in your country and they are pushing this identity politics of the left.
00:49:27.000They agree with identity politics, but they hate.
00:49:30.000White people, on the most part, which I don't see to be quite fair, if you could say, they should have, let's say, taken care of their people at least to the extent to make it a better state, since Republicans were actually more left-leaning in their, let's say, existence or creation.
00:49:54.000They were more of the tolerant party, and it shifted so much that I would say the Democrats are.
00:50:14.000Wall Street has them under their bootstraps and they are corrupt as hell.
00:50:22.000And I can't agree with people that take so much money and don't really care about their own people.
00:50:28.000And I'm really into this American politics because I have family in America and I always tell them that.
00:50:35.000Trump was probably the best thing that could happen for them since he is actually someone that wants to do something for the economy.
00:50:45.000Maybe he is now a bit attacked by the neocons to tell him what to do about Israel.
00:50:51.000But you can see with his attacks on Syria that he didn't really want to escalate.
00:50:56.000It was a really coordinated strike to make it look like he wants to appease these neocons.
00:51:03.000And even the British and a lot of NATO states and the French want to go on with this.
00:51:10.000And you could say that they are pretty much also bought not only by Israel, but also by Saudi Arabia.
00:51:18.000I find it so hilariously funny that Germany didn't want to go on with it.
00:51:24.000They said, we will not participate in the strikes because I think they know and they don't really want to play into it.
00:51:30.000And I'm not always agreeing with Merkel on certain issues, but on this case, she was right not to interfere because it makes a really, really bad look.
00:52:08.000I mean, and I think what you just laid out is that it's all connected, really.
00:52:13.000I mean, you got from the Zionists all the way up into you know, through ideology and into Syria, but I mean, it's true, it's true what you.
00:52:21.000Say about neoliberalism and neoconservatism and how it's penetrated both the right and the left and across the Atlantic.
00:54:10.000I mean, I think the longer the Russia investigation goes on, the better, only because I think it will only demonstrate more and more that there's no collusion, right?
00:54:21.000I think that if Mueller drags this on and eventually just wraps it up without any major indictments, without any major trial of Trump, I mean, that'll really sink.
00:55:27.000I assume it's probably for the same reason.
00:55:30.000Do you think he's using it as a thing to campaign on, like the Mueller investigation?
00:55:41.000Oh, if you don't elect Republicans, then the Mueller investigation will impeach me.
00:55:47.000Well, I think he'll get impeached no matter what if we lose the House, even if the Mueller thing is going on.
00:55:52.000If it's not, all you have to have to get impeachment, people don't understand this because they don't know civics, but an impeachment is merely just an accusation.
00:56:02.000You know, all it takes for impeachment is the House of Representatives to say, we think you committed a crime.
00:56:08.000And then, of course, it goes to the Senate for a trial.
00:56:11.000Bill Clinton got impeached, he was never removed from office.
00:56:15.000Andrew Johnson, I think, resigned after he was impeached.
00:56:18.000But so I don't think it would be devastating.
00:56:35.000And I think that was my only question, except I did have one more thing about why don't we just castrate all the Mexicans who come into the country?
00:57:39.000It's been all these horrible women, these roast beef looking ass women, saying that we need to put incels in death camps, get them fired from their jobs, and no more.
00:58:04.000I would not, you know, if it weren't for that, well, I wouldn't be incel, you know.
00:58:09.000But I understand, regardless of the fact that I'm Volcel, the eternal woman has to be, or rather, the eternal thought has to be crushed in this conflict.
00:58:19.000And I think this has now moved out into the open.
00:58:22.000It was something that was quiet for a long time, the incel versus the woman.
00:58:26.000And now it's really come to a head where.
00:59:31.000It was that white people were special because white people have done these great things.
00:59:36.000White people landed on the moon and they invented the ball playing pen and all this kind of stuff.
00:59:40.000And, you know, this is the kind of thing that I talk about on my show.
00:59:43.000But, I mean, you could see there were some people in the audience where it's like they're like 500 pounds in their Skechers with some like hat on.
00:59:55.000And, you know, these people, I'm sure, are really getting a charge out of this guy telling them that they invented the ballpoint pen and landed on the moon.
01:00:01.000But I'm thinking that's not all of them.
01:06:33.000We spend more than the next seven countries combined, and I'm fine with that.
01:06:36.000You know, people who have an issue with spending, suddenly when we talk about defense, you have the alt right become the Paul Ryans.
01:06:44.000You know, they're the most fiscally conservative people.
01:06:47.000And it's like, if you're worried about spending a lot of money, look at Medicare, look at Social Security.
01:06:54.000Defense is not the problem with our budgeting, the problem is mandatory spending, which is Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid, unemployment, all these entitlements.
01:09:05.000And then another thing about that, though, does it ever bother you that, for example, other countries don't really have to spend much on defense compared to us?
01:09:13.000As that's the one side of that that could be bothersome is that we end up basically subsidizing other countries' defense, right?
01:09:22.000I mean, with like NATO, for example, the reason that the Western European countries have been able to field such massive welfare states is because they don't have to pay for defense.
01:09:32.000They don't have to have a military because America's there.
01:10:49.000My question for you is with Alex Jones challenging Ben Shapiro, tiny Ben Shapiro, will this move more on some conservatives more rightward compared to Ben Shapiro's neocon stance?
01:11:06.000Yeah, I think the more people oppose Ben Shapiro, the better.
01:11:12.000Because Ben Shapiro represents that entire last dying breath of National Review and the William F. Buckleys of the world.
01:11:21.000The more that the Ben Shapiro's can give way to even people like Alex Jones or people like Mike Cernovich, which, you know, a lot of these personalities that have really gained traction since the election, a lot of them are frauds.
01:11:34.000Well, I don't know if they're frauds, but they're definitely.
01:11:57.000And so I think it's better no matter what because they've all embraced something that's intuitively nationalist, intuitively populist.
01:12:05.000And I think that's a better direction than this elitist, snobbish.
01:12:09.000Classical liberalism that's defined by Ben Shapiro.
01:12:12.000So I don't know if this will make waves, but I think every time these kinds of conflicts break out and we define ourselves against the Ben Shapiros, I think that's a good thing.
01:14:59.000And actually, I had somebody in my house doing, uh, Project, let's say, filming me, and they brought up the 14 words, and then it was invented by, I guess, some very hard right, neo Nazi type guy.
01:16:08.000And coming out and saying we must secure the existence of our people in a future for white children doesn't really look good on you because it's been painted in such a way that it's not a good way to be seen saying that, even though, as you've said, there's nothing wrong with saying it.
01:17:43.000And I don't really, like, I'm not going to go around at a rally screaming the 14 words out or anything like that.
01:17:51.000But I do understand where people are coming from that it's like there's literally nothing wrong with the content of those words other than the connotation, other than the origins.
01:19:02.000Like, uh, what was the stream the other night?
01:19:04.000I think, uh, it was uh, Lauren Rose, yes, um, on JF's stream, yeah, where she wouldn't say the 14 words, really, but then, yes, uh, uh, and uh, what's her name, or this is gonna hurt my brain, big cat Kayla.
01:19:26.000Big Cat Kayla came out and she came out and said the 14 words live on stream.
01:19:49.000I think she's going to school and it's not the best optical thing.
01:19:53.000I can afford to say it because I think I position myself uniquely as somebody who.
01:19:58.000Is not an extremist, but can take some of those elements and ask critical questions about them.
01:20:05.000So, you know, I understand why Lauren Rose might not want to do it, but, you know, I say it always in the context of we're against the origins and the connotations, but looking at the words themselves, if we're to separate ourselves out from the political correctness machine and you can't say this, you can't say that because of this reason, I don't see anything wrong with having concern for the existence of your race.
01:20:48.000I kind of understand the argument that they make.
01:20:52.000I don't agree with it, but I understand they say, well, we have to correct history and we have to revise history because so much of today is dependent on the mythology of the past and all that.
01:21:04.000I mean, that kind of thing is just so irrelevant to Americans.
01:21:07.000I care about Americans today, Americans who are getting killed by opioids, Americans who are having issues with the economy or illegal immigration.
01:21:16.000And I imagine if you're trying to be a family man in 2018, you're trying to win elections, you're trying to get political power, the most retarded thing on planet Earth that you can do is go around autistically talking about Hitler and that kind of shit.
01:21:38.000I think what it comes down to is if anybody wanted to make a difference and wanted to make a change, we would remove ourselves from this sort of thing and just make more children.
01:23:08.000But then you have these, like you said, these autistic people on the internet spurging out about white nationalism, all this other stuff, and it's holding us back.
01:23:17.000What we want is completely reasonable.
01:23:19.000What we want is completely traditional and reasonable and in line with what anybody would think if they weren't brainwashed.
01:23:26.000But you have what I think is a lot of federal agents and just plain stupid people who want to pollute that with this trash, with these distractions, these red herrings.
01:23:35.000And I just think it's a waste of time.
01:23:37.000So I'm sorry, by trash, what do you mean by trash?
01:23:51.000Like, here's a perfect example of somebody who had a great opportunity to have his family, have his life, and be a real.
01:23:59.000Voice for nationalism and Christ and communitarianism and politics.
01:24:04.000And he threw that away so he could post memes of Jews' heads on pikes in the White House.
01:24:10.000Like, that's the kind of trash, the kind of just garbage tier stuff I'm talking about.
01:24:16.000Because you contrast, like, what Paul Nealon did to Pat Buchanan.
01:24:20.000Pat Buchanan, who, you know, is a strong nationalist, a genius, well read, and he articulates his arguments like a seasoned statesman.
01:24:30.000And then you got Paul Nealon with this potty mouth.
01:24:33.000He goes on gab, F this, F that, disgusting, ugly racial epithets, and just this hatred, this negativity.
01:24:43.000And that's the kind of, these are the two faces of where we could go down, what two paths we could go down.
01:24:51.000The movement can end up as it's been going for a long time in the trash heap of history with Paul Nealon, or we can find a new ascendancy for paleoconservatism, for nationalism, traditionalism, and.
01:25:05.000I think any intelligent person would tell you it's the latter.
01:25:09.000No, I agree with you, but I think where you're going wrong is you're abiding too much by the old conservative.
01:25:20.000Obviously, I'm English, sorry, English, from the UK, and we've got a different thing over here where our conservatives are so far left, it's unreal.
01:25:38.000You know, our Labour Party are pretty right wing compared to yours, you know.
01:25:46.000And you talking about coming back to paleo conservative, you know, the original conservatives, I don't think that it would do much good because I've heard you on streams before talk about how number one creates number two, number two creates number three, and returning back to.
01:26:10.000The original conservative idea, I don't think it'll do us any good.
01:26:45.000My views have definitely matured on Jewish people where.
01:26:50.000You know, I think you discover a lot of these ideas, and as a young person who hadn't heard much about them, I think you get kind of outraged because you hear that there is this overrepresentation.
01:27:02.000You hear about all kinds of things, and you take new information.
01:27:07.000You don't really understand it very well.
01:27:09.000I don't think you've really internalized it properly.
01:27:12.000And so it's like what happened with Paul Nealon.
01:27:15.000I think it's a good example again here, too, where here's somebody who he found out all these things in a matter of a couple of months.
01:27:41.000I mean, what kind of change can he effect when he's banned on Twitter and banned from Gab and banned from the Republican Party and he's doxxed all these people or doxxed Ricky Vaughn?
01:27:52.000I mean, now you've seen what that kind of uncontrolled.
01:27:57.000I don't even know what you'd call that.
01:27:58.000But when that gets out of control, you become useless.
01:28:02.000And so, you know, I don't know if I've dialed it back so much as I've had a mature worldview that integrates that into it.
01:28:10.000Whereas it wasn't there before, I think now it's an integrative worldview.
01:28:15.000And so I'm not talking about returning to conservatism.
01:28:18.000I'm talking about embracing what perennially works.
01:28:23.000And so that could be a new political movement, it could be new optics and new this and new that.
01:28:28.000There's really nothing new under the sun.
01:28:30.000All I'm talking about is let's embrace what we know to be perennially true.
01:28:34.000Not even, and I hesitate even to say conservatism because what I'm proposing is totally non ideological.
01:29:34.000All societies have a tendency to degenerate over time.
01:29:38.000And so to say that, well, because we got here from somewhere, that means we should never attempt to rebuild the better society or we should never return to perennial values, I think kind of misunderstands the problem.
01:29:50.000We'll build it back up, and the natural tendency is it'll degenerate again.
01:30:16.000That you've got to ride a line between because obviously there are certain people who are so far right that believe certain things and they know who, and there's people like you who are riding the line.
01:30:34.000You know, you're talking about white nationalism but not being full white nationalist, and I get that because being full white nationalist, as you said, like Paul.
01:32:23.000There's like the boomers who are in power now.
01:32:26.000Then you've got the millennials, like I mean, I would call Richard Spence for a millennial.
01:32:31.000And then we've got the Gen Z, like you, which are the new right.
01:32:36.000But the sad thing is, you're competing with people like Mike Tokes as Gen Z. Me as a millennial, I look at you and see you with Mike Tokes.
01:32:48.000And you're more like me than you are like Mike Tokes.
01:35:52.000I don't understand why people do this.
01:35:57.000And this is why people don't want to tell the truth because you start telling the truth a little bit and then people come on and they say, He's saying it.
01:37:39.000I don't like to be rude, but I'm not going to compromise, you know, my political career because somebody wants to make a joke about the JQ.
01:39:23.000Gavin McGinnis is Gen X. There's a lot of Gen X people.
01:39:28.000The guy debated last night was Gen X. They're almost more pathetic in the sense that the boomer, Dare Boomer, at the very least, almost has a master morality about them in the sense that they stole all the wealth of the country.
01:39:56.000They're aggressively naive and foolish about politics.
01:40:00.000And there's something to be said about that.
01:40:02.000There's almost a master morality to it where it's like the Chad mess up the country and not even care a boomer versus the virgin, poor, has nothing, has no family, is just kind of a sad, skinny person, Gen Xer.
01:41:42.000Valentine says dispensationalism and bad eschatology are the main reasons why Christians are such ardent and yet ignorant supporters of Israel.
01:41:51.000God's people are those who are redeemed by Christ.
01:41:55.000And that's the mischaracterization of what is said in the Bible, which is that in the New Testament, the new covenant, All followers of Christ are made to be God's chosen people.
01:43:11.000And, you know, we are against, we are, we do warn about the risks.
01:43:18.000Of race mixing, of mixed marriages, but for the benefit of that journalist who was pestering me the other day, I don't hate people who are in mixed marriages.
01:43:27.000I don't want to pass laws against mixed marriages.
01:43:29.000I just say you should understand the risks, which are that there's a higher rate of domestic abuse, there's a higher rate of mental illness in the kids, and I'm not trying to say that to nag you, but I had some journalist on Twitter the other day giving me a hard time saying, You said you don't like mixed marriages, so that means you're a white nationalist who wants to make them illegal and kill everyone.
01:45:38.000So when you were on with JF and Richard, Richard said something along the lines of that white people have to be, or it's natural that white people are going to have to be the caretakers of other nations, of like people who may not be able to develop a nation, such as India, where we kind of had to work them from the ground, or the British worked them from the ground up.
01:46:00.000And then, so like, I agree with the sentiment.
01:46:03.000But what he said was that it's a liberal take to say that I'm a nationalist for all nations.
01:46:09.000And I don't know exactly what he meant by that.
01:46:11.000But what I would say is reasonable is that each race or people should have a region in the world, at least one nation, where they could be able to have their own nation.
01:46:24.000So, like, what did you think about his statement?
01:46:27.000Yeah, well, he talked about like a colonial imperium.
01:46:54.000However, my opposition to Spencer's ideas in a broad sense is that Spencer, to a degree, I think is a bit of a utopian, a bit of a progressive.
01:47:06.000And also a bit of a constructivist in a Hayekian sense.
01:47:10.000Hayek said that the dichotomy is between constructivists and between people who believe in something called spontaneous order.
01:47:17.000He said the constructivists believe that society is built from the top down, it's designed.
01:47:22.000It's that if you want to, you look at like a socialist or a liberal in this country, they want to design the country from the top down.
01:47:30.000They want to build a system and they want to force everybody to fit into it.
01:47:33.000But of course, the people who believe in spontaneous order understand.
01:47:37.000The world is a lot different than that.
01:47:43.000Institutions are not designed, they grow organically through people and through families doing and choosing how they want to behave.
01:47:52.000And so I think my big problem with this ethnostate conception is that it's constructivist, it's progressive.
01:47:58.000This idea that we'll ever get to a point where it'll be that good, where it'll be like we can just pick and choose, and some people will be over here and some will be over there, and there'll be no conflict, there'll be no ethnic mixing.
01:48:54.000I mean, you have to understand that it's like, I mean, as a precaution, I would take every precaution just to be safe.
01:49:01.000However, the odds that somebody's going to, somebody had heard your name on the Super Chat on the show and then they like met you IRL and they like called somebody.
01:49:12.000I mean, like the odds of that happening are probably very slim, but I would take every precaution because you don't want to.
01:49:18.000You don't want to leave yourself in a vulnerable position, but I don't think you'd be in too much trouble.
01:49:24.000And then just something really quick also is that what you were saying about people pointing out the things you've said about that aren't really accepted in journalism?
01:49:35.000You know what I'm talking about when you were talking about the angle?
01:49:40.000Something like I don't know if you'll get the reference I'm trying to get at, but when you've talked about George Takai and him being a statesman, I'm.
01:49:49.000I'm glad I've never heard anyone like Spurgout be like, oh, he's a crypto supporter.
01:49:55.000Like, if you get what I'm saying, it's a good thing.
01:50:30.000But You know, look, it's almost 99%, almost entirely how you appear, how you look.
01:50:37.000And, you know, we joke a lot on this show.
01:50:39.000I think that's the problem a lot of times a journalist will watch this show.
01:50:42.000They don't get when we're being ironic, when we're not being ironic, you know, because a lot of it is, almost all of it's ironic for the most part.
01:50:49.000And that's what I think it helps to throw in a lot of the silly and goofy elements is to make it a little bit lighter, a little bit more funny.
01:50:56.000But, you know, at the end of the day, we're just about strong, safe American communities.
01:54:33.000And apparently, he was some like operative for Ted Cruz that was sort of brought in as like, I don't know, like a disruptive person into like Trump politics in the area, which is very strange.
01:54:46.000And he even like photoshopped himself to look like he was shaking hands with Donald Trump, even though Donald Trump was actually pointing his finger at Jeff Deal's chest, like, you know, showing disapproval.
01:55:00.000Trump, yeah, Trump knew what he was about, but the Photoshop was so bad you can actually see a third arm.
01:55:05.000So he didn't even edit out the bit where Trump was clearly not shaking his hand.
01:55:11.000You could see this third arm in the picture, and it was very odd.
01:55:14.000But I was wondering since Shiva's running as an independent, would that still be a worthy pursuit?
01:55:23.000I have reservations about him because he's kind of like in the, I don't know, sort of Cerno New Right kind of, I don't know, sphere.
01:55:33.000But some of the things that Shiva does promote, I can agree with 100%, you know, promoting more of the tech schools and the like.
01:55:44.000And even if he's talking about things in more of a sort of general, vague sense, just the deep state exposing elements of that, I can be on board with him for that.
01:55:58.000I don't know what your thoughts are on.
01:55:59.000I got to be honest, I don't really see a future where Shiva wins, and it almost defeats the whole purpose.
01:56:06.000Of campaigning and getting involved, which is to network.
01:56:08.000You know, you go to the Republican Party not because you like the candidate that's on the ticket, but because you get to know the people behind the scenes and then maybe you get to choose who's on the ticket.
01:56:18.000And so, Sheba, it's almost you get the worst of both worlds.
01:56:24.000You get a candidate that loses and you get no connections, no networking.
01:56:27.000So, I'd probably advise, if it were me, I'd probably go in for the Republican Party.
01:57:10.000You would be surprised because people, if you don't know anybody in politics, you would be surprised just how much it works like you might imagine it works.
01:57:19.000And it's, excuse me, it's literally all about shaking hands.
01:57:43.000But we have to use that to our advantage.
01:57:45.000We have to understand that that's how it works.
01:57:46.000And so, when people are doing this autistic talk about ideology and principles and all that, it's like that is just so outside of the skill set that it requires for us to wield power.
01:57:59.000And, you know, Spencer, even Spencer, talked about the other night we want to wield power, and yet he acts like somebody who doesn't want to wield power.
01:58:07.000He does everything in his power almost to avoid wielding any kind of institutional power.
01:58:13.000So, it's just ironic that the people, it seems like they understand we need to hold political power, and yet.
01:58:20.000They don't want to do what it takes to acquire it, but that's what has to happen.
01:58:24.000So, would you say that networking in the short term is worthwhile for more, I don't know, like just 2020?
01:58:32.000Because 2018 in Massachusetts just seems sort of doomed, more or less.
01:58:37.000Well, anything that we're talking about is long term.
01:58:40.000That's 2020, 2022, 2024, but you got to start doing it now.
01:58:45.000And you just got to think about it in terms of people who are able to utilize time.
01:58:53.000If you're looking at something, and this is a big thing with mentality and mindset, if you're looking at something in terms of singularly the present, you're like a high time preference African who will sell seeds in exchange for jewelry.
01:59:08.000They'll sell seeds, they won't plant them in the ground so that they could get a cool necklace now.
01:59:13.000And that's why Africa is still in the Stone Ages.
01:59:16.000You have to understand that we work in time.
01:59:19.000And so it's not just talking about an election, it's not just talking about this or that.
01:59:23.000It's with the idea in mind that maybe in 10 or 15 years, we own the Republican Party.
01:59:27.000I mean, that's the kind of power we're talking about.
01:59:30.000If we can use time, if we can move in time and bide our time.
01:59:35.000But people want instant gratification.
01:59:38.000They want to show up to a rally and yell and scream.
01:59:41.000They want everything to work out today.
01:59:42.000And so they turn their noses up on short term victories or short term gains.
01:59:49.000So, yes, network as much as you can, shake as many hands as you can.
01:59:53.000Any opportunity, you would be surprised.
01:59:56.000As somebody who's like a self starter and doing something by himself, you'd be surprised the contacts that come in handy by just stupid shit that you do.
02:00:05.000Things you don't even like, things that you don't even see the value in.
02:00:09.000I called up a contact from the Trump campaign to write me a letter of recommendation for a job at L.I.
02:00:16.000Then when I went to L.I., I met all kinds of people that are mobilizing for all kinds of different things.
02:00:21.000I mean, so it has this compound effect where.
02:02:44.000And I hope, I put out this show in the hopes that people are doing that.
02:02:48.000I'm not, I don't have the time, unfortunately, to preside over like a major organization or network.
02:02:54.000But if people are doing this, if people are taking the initiative and showing up, then we should be in a very good position where we can mobilize very quickly and we could exercise some real influence.
02:04:02.000Yeah, I even listened to this speech during the orientation for the internship from Charlie Baker, and it was the most lukewarm, oh God, painful.
02:04:17.000Tucker Carlson was talking about how the most worrisome moment in politics is when the Democrats and Republicans are reaching across the aisle and shaking hands, but he.
02:04:30.000Goes up on stage and talks about how that's such a great thing.
02:04:33.000It's like, well, yeah, you're capitulating on all the issues, bud.
02:04:37.000No one thinks you're actually right wing.
02:04:39.000Well, they're conspiring to kill and crush middle America.
02:05:53.000Do you believe in man made catastrophic climate change?
02:05:56.000Antinatalism, third world immigration, and foreign aid is leading to an exploding low IQ population that doesn't care about the environment.
02:06:15.000Is real, but man is not causing it, which is undisputable in terms of the scientific evidence, because there is no scientific evidence out of all the variables that influence climate, which you think of it's the ocean, it's the distance from the sun, it's the heat of the sun, it's sun cycles, it's all kinds of things.
02:06:35.000I mean, you understand the scope and the scale of the planet, and the idea that we can narrow it down to one trend is caused by one variable is the height of bad science.
02:06:57.000I mean, if anybody were serious about climate change, I think maybe that's why the hysteria has died down so much, is because the logical conclusion is we have to shut down Africa's birth rate.
02:07:08.000Because Africa will, mark my words, in the next century become the number one polluter in the world.
02:07:14.000These African countries, where it's slated there'll be 9 billion Africans by 2100, and they'll be using.
02:07:20.000You can bet very substandard methods to generate energy.
02:07:25.000They'll be burning dung, they'll be burning coal, they'll be burning fossil fuels long after the developed world has stopped doing so.
02:07:32.000Southeast Asia and East Asia is doing the same thing.
02:07:36.000And they don't want to talk about that because that goes against their agenda.
02:07:40.000So, yeah, I'm against that whole theory.
02:08:48.000Thoughts on the 17th Amendment, a complete disaster.
02:08:51.00017th Amendment, which called for the direct election of senators.
02:08:56.000Is the cause, one of the major causes of the systemic breakdown of Congress.
02:09:01.000If you don't have a chamber for the states, you understand that the power of the people is diminished significantly and the checks and balances on the government, on the majorities, is diminished.
02:09:14.000The founders created the Senate for a reason.
02:09:16.000It was called the Great Compromise that they created the bicameral Congress with a chamber for the people and a chamber for the states.
02:09:23.000So that they did away with that, I think, was a big fat mistake.
02:09:30.000And I have it, I think, on my bookshelf, not down here, but somewhere else.
02:09:35.000The Path to Power by Lyndon Johnson talks about his Senate campaign.
02:09:40.000And you can see the kind of political machinations that go on with the Senate race in huge states with huge populations.
02:09:48.000And what a perversion of what it was intended to be because it was never supposed to be that way that one person would represent all these people, it was that they would represent the interests of the states.