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00:13:11.000And also I should say the end of Holy Week, so I hope you're having a blessed Good Friday and hopefully a great Easter weekend or the beginning of Easter weekend.
00:13:21.000We are here at a later time tonight on Unordinary, out of the ordinary for us on the show, doing a show closer to 10 o'clock.
00:13:29.000Normally we're at 7 o'clock, but tonight we are recapping the debate between Slavoj Žižek and Jordan B. Peterson.
00:13:38.000You know, and I was a little bit conflicted about tonight's show.
00:13:41.000I was planning on just doing a regular show like I do Monday through Friday, right?
00:13:46.000Just the standard 7 o'clock current events sort of thing, but there's really nothing going on in the news and it dawned on me that this debate was happening tonight.
00:13:55.000It's been something that's been talked about for a long time.
00:13:58.000I feel like it's a couple of years in the making at this point.
00:15:39.000If I want to commit to watching the stream, I want to watch it with no problems, no interruptions, no quality issues.
00:15:46.000You know, if it costs $15 to just be guaranteed that I'm watching the debate, I'll pay the $15.
00:15:53.000But aside from that, if I have to do the recap of the show, I have to make sure that I'm able to watch it, right?
00:16:00.000So I can't rely on, you know, a third party to host it because maybe they take the stream down or rely on...
00:16:07.000You know, whatever other unethical or illegal way you're trying to stream the debate, I have to know that I'm gonna be guaranteed that I can watch the whole thing uninterrupted, the highest quality, what everybody else is getting.
00:16:18.000Well, at least I thought that's why I'm paying for it, but I pay the $15 and it doesn't even work!
00:16:24.000I'm like 15 minutes into the debate and I have to refresh the page because it starts buffering a little bit.
00:16:30.000And then it's telling me 503 not found.
00:17:33.000We got to sell pillows and t-shirts and carpets and books and self-authorship suites and personality tests and gee, you know, it really makes you think.
00:17:43.000Hey man, are you doing it for the individual and the six million?
00:17:47.000Are you doing it because you could sell the sound or you know, the image of music on a throw pillow and a carpet for a $300 markup because it's Jordan B Peterson website, right?
00:17:58.000So they're charging for the live stream.
00:19:16.000Peterson's obviously one of the biggest voices in the right right now.
00:19:19.000Žižek, one of the bigger voices in the left, or one of the most, I guess, idiosyncratic thinkers on the left, and maybe one of the most original.
00:19:28.000Definitely not the most famous, obviously, I don't think.
00:19:31.000So it's Žižek versus Peterson, and the debate was about happiness.
00:19:36.000Peterson coming from a capitalist perspective, and Žižek coming from a Marxist perspective.
00:19:41.000And right out of the gate, I have to tell you, the conversation is just totally misplaced.
00:19:46.000In 2019, what they talked about, the subject and what they actually ended up talking about, just to me seemed totally irrelevant to sort of arcane, out-of-step economic systems in the year 2019.
00:20:04.000The topics that were discussed, the dialectic that went on, I think was a little bit of a mismatch, but regardless, I didn't hear any issues that actually matter in this year.
00:20:16.000Perspectives that are really fresh in this year.
00:20:18.000Zizek, there was some things which I think were a little bit closer to where we need to be, but there was no talk about demographics, no talk about populations, about peoples, about cultures, about
00:20:33.000The conversation was a very abstract academic debate about, you know, again, these economic systems, and Zizek was a little better than Peterson, but particularly listening to Peterson, it just struck me as totally, like, I felt like I was in a time machine going back to maybe five years ago, when the most important debate we could be having is about capitalism versus communism, and we're trotting out the talking points about how
00:20:58.000Well, the Millennium Development Goals from the United Nations shows that capitalism is making us richer.
00:21:03.000And we're talking about the Communist Manifesto and breaking down point by point, refuting axiomatic presuppositions of Marx and Engels.
00:22:17.000What has replaced the old school Marxists, the classical Marxists who believe in class struggle, is now this new, the neo-Marxists, intellectuals, academics, who have swapped out proletariat and bourgeoisie of an economic and class stripe.
00:22:33.000Now it's oppressor and oppressed of a cultural stripe.
00:24:42.000And then the rebuttals were about 10 minutes and then it was just this back and forth which is just totally disorganized and all over the place.
00:24:50.000The opening statements to me just felt like a total waste of time.
00:24:53.000Peterson's opening statement to me, I mean it was just every bit of a disaster that you could imagine.
00:25:24.000I mean, even hearing these topics, I'm like, hello, 2011 department, we'd like our dialectic back, or maybe... I mean, even then, it was a little bit dated, right?
00:25:33.000I mean, I thought that was settled after the Cold War ended, so... But I'm thinking even then, you know, Peterson brings a little bit something new to the table, talking about cultural Marxism, and Zizek is, like I said, he's not totally a classical Marxist, he's more contemporary and...
00:25:50.000You know, we'll get into what he said and why that is.
00:25:53.000But then you got Peterson who says, well how did I prepare?
00:26:33.000And people have pointed out, and if you're going to critique contemporary Marxism, you know, even if you're critiquing classical Marxism, you're probably going to want to look at Capital as opposed to the Communist Manifesto, which is more of a polemical work.
00:26:48.000You're going to want to read, if it's a debate with Zizek, some more contemporary things.
00:26:52.000If the debate's about postmodern neo-Marxists, maybe you're going to read the cultural Marxists from the Frankfurt School, or maybe postmodernists.
00:27:01.000So that we're critiquing the Communist Manifesto already, I'm like, wait a second, where are we?
00:27:09.000It just felt like a total waste of time.
00:27:11.000So, okay, we're sentenced to 30 minutes of talking about the Communist Manifesto.
00:27:17.000Peterson points out that Marx's claim that history is the history of class struggle and economic struggle is wrong for a variety of reasons.
00:27:27.000People are motivated by things other than class.
00:27:41.000He says the class struggle is not binary.
00:27:43.000It's not simply between proletariats and bourgeoisie, but it's also, you know, it's complicated by the fact that the communists persecuted kulaks, who could not be defined neatly into one group or the other, because they were peasants, but they also had things, and they persecuted intellectuals and others, so it's more complicated than just these two groups.
00:28:03.000And then he goes into, this is my favorite, this is when I realized like it's gonna be a long night, is he starts talking about profit.
00:28:10.000Well Marx and Engels say that profit is theft, but actually profit is good, because profit is a great thing to economize on scarce resources.
00:28:20.000And I'm summarizing here, I'm sort of condensing it.
00:28:24.000But at this point I'm thinking like, so we're really not even engaging with
00:28:28.000Marxism really not even engaging with leftism.
00:28:30.000It's just this like Consequentialist idea of okay.
00:28:33.000Well, you're saying profit is theft but actually profit is good because it creates televisions and other things and and then I feel like okay, it really is just the worst possible amalgamation of
00:28:48.000The American right in the past three decades.
00:28:51.000It is just trotting out and retreading all the same neoliberal type stuff.
00:30:20.000Well, he trots out the United Nations Millennium Development Goals.
00:30:23.000And he talks about, well, if you look at the absolute standard of poverty that the United Nations sets in the year 2000, the people living in absolute poverty has been halved in just 12 years.
00:30:40.000Which, you know, this may seem like, I don't know,
00:30:44.000Like it's trite or whatever, but of course the problem with this analysis of capitalism is nobody is critiquing capitalism from the perspective of material abundance.
00:31:22.000You know, even myself, I guess I identify as a capitalist.
00:31:26.000I believe there should be capital privately held and there should be markets, right?
00:31:30.000So, I guess that makes me a capitalist.
00:31:33.000But even as somebody who's critical of capitalism as a capitalist, it does not come from the perspective of there's the shortage of goods, right?
00:31:42.000It doesn't come from the perspective of, in absolute terms, it produces the greatest volume of
00:32:04.000You know, in theory, there's nothing wrong with that.
00:32:06.000But in practice, it can create a lot of problems.
00:32:09.000Which you could say, well, economic inequality is justified because it's all the free market rewards merit.
00:32:14.000Well, why don't you explain that to people when, you know, they're poor and Jeff Bezos, like, owns the moon or whatever, and people decide to start killing rich people.
00:32:23.000And then, you know, the whole society turns upside down.
00:32:25.000It really doesn't matter if it's merit or it's justified or whatever.
00:32:29.000You understand if he gets political problems.
00:32:33.000So Jordan Peterson going into this and the opening statement is bashing the Communist Manifesto and then trotting out the UN Millennium Development Goals.
00:32:42.000It just feels like if that's the consideration, if that's the topic, we've all already lost a debate.
00:32:46.000Like, understand, if we're talking about who won the debate, was it Zizek?
00:32:53.000We all lost, if in 2019, the most at the American rider, the West East Canadian.
00:33:00.000The most that the Anglo right-wing, the Anglosphere's right-wing can offer up is this milquetoast bashing of classical communism and a defense of capitalism on these very material grounds.
00:33:59.000Maybe I'm just a mindless consumer that the introductory statement, which is 30 minutes long, is not neatly organized and sort of drawing clean conclusions.
00:34:10.000It seemed to me a little bit all over the place.
00:34:14.000China talking about how the marriage of the authoritarian state and the free market is actually a very scary thing because it's very effective.
00:34:24.000There's no real sign of it stopping and it's basically producing misery.
00:34:27.000Even though people are doing better, they're not really happy.
00:34:31.000He says, and this is one of the most important aspects of Zizek's argument, and to me, I think this is probably a lot closer to where we need to be than Peterson is, he attacks the concept of happiness itself.
00:34:44.000If the debate is about what generates happiness, is it communism or capitalism, and this is the critique for Peterson, when Peterson says, well, capitalism produces happiness because look at all the stuff it produces, Zizek comes at it and attacks the axiom of happiness being desirable in itself.
00:35:01.000He says, well, what is the nature of happiness?
00:35:05.000He says, as a psychoanalyst, I know that what we think we want or what we tell ourselves we want is often the opposite of what we want.
00:35:12.000It's something that we don't really want.
00:35:14.000And maybe the worst thing that could happen to people is they get what they think they desire.
00:35:18.000And so maybe we have to attack that fundamental premise to maybe understand why capitalism, although it produces material things, might not be producing this byproduct of
00:35:28.000Satisfaction or happiness or whatever.
00:35:31.000So I thought that was a very important point to make.
00:35:33.000It's something we talk about a lot on this show and again addresses the more fundamental question of the future, which is not what is the institution or the system that's gonna make the most gadgets and trinkets and widgets, but what's gonna make people feel fulfilled.
00:35:48.000He talked about the burden of modernity being freedom itself, saying that, well, maybe people are miserable because they have choice, which is, again, sort of a reactionary point, actually, something that I tend to agree with, something we tend to talk about in the show.
00:36:03.000You know, the idea that maybe freedom isn't all it's cracked up to be.
00:36:08.000From his perspective, though, it sounded like he was actually, he kind of did like freedom.
00:36:29.000So now our burden, now our cause, is to decide what our duty, what our obligation is, what we're actually going to do with our choices, and I couldn't really interpret whether he said this is a good thing or a bad thing, but it is an important question, and it is something that we talk about in this show, so I thought that was good.
00:36:46.000He then got into some Fedora-tier stuff about Dostoevsky saying, without God everything is permitted, and he goes,
00:36:55.000Doesn't nod to Sam Harris and says, well 9-11 happened and that means that God says everything is permitted.
00:37:01.000You know, it's sort of turning the old expression on its head.
00:37:04.000So I thought that was a little bit cringe and maybe reminds us why Zizek is funny and likable and charming and has some good ideas in contrast to progressives, you know, normal conventional left liberals or people like Jordan Peterson, but why not really gonna get us to the promised land, right?
00:38:38.000I don't know how one can at once acknowledge the problems of immigrants, but at the same time say, well, no, but the real problems are caused by capitalism.
00:38:46.000I suppose he fleshes that out a little bit more towards the end, which we'll get to, which is actually sort of interesting and fresh.
00:38:53.000And I think that's why people like Zizek more than Peters says, not necessarily that they agree with his conclusions, but at the very least, it seems like a more realistic, a more fresh
00:39:44.000There were all these Jewish social theorists.
00:39:47.000They got chased out of Nazi Germany because they were communists and they were Jewish.
00:39:50.000They came to Columbia University in America, where they were informally called the Frankfurt School, but they were actually the School of Social Research or something like that.
00:39:59.000And this is where they divorced Marxism from economics and married it to culture.
00:40:04.000And so all this intersectional stuff about feminism, indigenous rights, and anti-racism, and so on and so forth.
00:40:12.000Interesting how that fits in there, right?
00:40:15.000Very important asterisk for people that know the relevant facts.
00:40:18.000All these different movements, all these intersectional attacks on traditional American society are part of this grand cultural Marxist conspiracy theory.
00:40:28.000It all originates from, you know, these postmodern intellectuals.
00:40:34.000Jizhek makes a very good point that this is sort of a scapegoat here.
00:40:38.000If you look at how America's morals have degenerated, it actually has a lot more to do with capitalism than it has to do with a bunch of Jewish intellectuals in New York City, which is 100% correct.
00:40:49.000That's what people like Charlie Kirk want to avoid.
00:40:51.000Which is the fact that they at once preach conservative traditional family values, but at the same time embrace a system which is the most disruptive, destructive, transformative force in the history of mankind, which is the free market and technological progress.
00:41:07.000So N'Jijic didn't exactly get all the way there on that, but you know, that's basically correct and it's an important point to make.
00:41:13.000He said, a very insightful point as well, that Donald Trump is the ultimate postmodern president because he's somebody who
00:41:21.000He'll tell you the story about the traditional values, but he's a very vulgar and obscene person.
00:41:26.000And people at once buy into this story, this narrative of, we are for traditional values, sort of, like, in theory.
00:41:35.000But at the same time, the embrace of it is just simply not there if we're electing somebody who has all these personal contradictions with it, right?
00:41:43.000In his manners, in his personal life, and so on.
00:41:49.000He talks about how in the society today if the question is capitalism versus communism and where we are on that spectrum in terms of hierarchy versus egalitarianism, in terms of structure versus equality.
00:42:04.000He says, you know, are we really concerned that we're drifting too far towards egalitarianism today?
00:42:09.000And, you know, people are laughing in the audience.
00:43:01.000And beyond that, we're sort of headed for this apocalyptic future where we'll be destroyed by ecological disaster or transhumanism and technology sort of causing problems with humanity or corporations getting too much power.
00:43:15.000Basically, there are a variety of challenges we face which are global, which are sort of, I guess, existential in nature as human beings.
00:43:45.000You know, you have a lot of points there, which I don't think we necessarily agree with all the way.
00:43:49.000The conclusions, the stuff about God, some of the other things.
00:43:53.000But at the very least, there is this engagement, like, okay, we're living in the same planet here.
00:43:58.000You've got this guy over here talking about a book that is 170 years old, which inspired a revolution
00:44:06.00060 years after was written that had seen its empire rise and then fall 30 years ago and like he's debunking that book So it's ancient basically in modern terms and then talking about how you know Oh, well China's GDP is through the roof India's GDP is through the roof So you're on another planet over here like you're living in academic world where that means anything and at least Zizek seems to have kind of a more realistic understanding of things so
00:45:02.000Like Churchill said, democracy is a terrible system, but it's the best one we've discovered so far.
00:45:07.000And to me, I find this logic sort of problematic because it tends to sort of overlook
00:45:15.000A lot of the problems that are intrinsic in it you know anybody that could look at this country today and say that just because certain economic indicators are looking up and very specific economic indicators very cherry-picked data has a green arrow upward things like the stock market or this like global poverty or whatever
00:45:33.000That everything's peaches and there's nothing wrong.
00:45:50.000You're poor and you're miserable and the entire interior of the country is being hollowed out and destroyed and literally killing itself and there's a drug epidemic worse than the Vietnam War.
00:46:00.000Yeah, that's pretty bad, but you know what?
00:46:03.000The rest of it's pretty damn good compared to what we had before.
00:47:12.000Very interesting talk about how you look at a country like Czechoslovakia in the late Cold War where it was relatively, they had relative prosperity and relative freedom and because of this was basically, it was basically happy, maybe more happy than a Western democracy because, you know, it was good enough but there was also room for a reasonable amount of strife or you could blame the government for your problems, things like this.
00:47:55.000Once it gets into the back and forth between Peterson and Zizek, it's just like, we're both really smart and we're talking about Chesterton on the cross and some of these other things and I just felt really unfocused and again, just not really getting at what the fundamental issues were.
00:48:10.000At that point, I'm basically tuning out.
00:48:12.000Nobody's really grappling with, again, like I said at the outset, the real problems of the society today, which really has nothing to do with economic systems.
00:48:21.000You know, I think the questions that are being asked are all wrong.
00:48:24.000And every time Zizek would come up with some sort of substantive idea or coherent worldview about happiness or who we are as people or, you know, greater meta-narrative about the civilization and where we are, I think Peterson would kind of degrade it and bring it back down to, you know, this tried neoliberalism, individualist-type talking points.
00:48:46.000So, I can't say that it was really a fantastic debate.
00:48:49.000Sparks really didn't fly so much, and it was actually interesting how much they had in common.
00:48:54.000Once they really started to talk to each other, we look at some of the most fundamental assumptions about, like, equality, for example, which were just totally agreed upon.
00:49:03.000Like, I feel like it's ironic that I'm considered, or, you know, people in the alt-right or whatever, the dissonant right, are considered, like, either extreme right or right-wing people say we're the extreme left.
00:49:17.000We would probably have less in common than Peterson and Zizek together.
00:49:21.000Because Zizek and Peterson together both agree basically that we like democracy, and we like material prosperity, and we like equality, and we believe everybody's basically biologically equal, and we believe that all groups can live together in harmony, and all this other stuff.
00:49:37.000Basically, they are 100% on the same page about secularism, about modernism, they're on the same page about equality, they're on the same page about multiculturalism.
00:49:47.000Like, they're on the same page about all the fundamental issues.
00:50:11.000And again, just disagreement on these fundamental premises.
00:50:15.000You could see somebody get up there who's maybe a traditionalist Catholic reactionary, somebody like myself, who obviously a lot less educated than people who are holding degrees and maybe with less sophisticated words and so on, but there's a lot more disagreement.
00:50:29.000Somebody who actually, actually believes in God.
00:50:32.000Somebody who actually believes in natural law.
00:50:34.000Somebody who maybe rejects modernism and post-modernism.
00:50:38.000Somebody who rejects this idea of fundamental equality or liberty as a concept or democracy
00:50:44.000So it's just sort of confusing that these are supposed to be, it was pitched as these diametric opposites.
00:50:50.000You know, this Slovenian who comes from Eastern Europe and he's a communist versus this classical right liberal Canadian guy and it's the battle of the century and so on.
00:51:19.000Whereas, you know, Peterson will have that debate with him, but not have that debate with somebody where there is fundamental disagreement on those core issues.
00:51:27.000Which, you know, I think you would see sparks flying and actual contentions as opposed to, you know, just sort of clarifying misconceptions and adjusting, you know, moving the goalposts and things.
00:52:07.000And it just goes to show, like, we've got a long way to go.
00:52:10.000If that's where the Overton window is, if that's, and I think that they're not totally representative of it, but if that's our, like, headlining debate of all these yuppies and whatever,
00:52:23.000All getting excited about their little intellectual political discussion.
00:52:26.000It's like damn, we got a long way to go if that's still relevant and everything else.
00:52:31.000We can really use proper dissent against neoliberalism because I didn't really hear it from either side.
00:52:38.000I didn't really hear anything all that revolutionary, all that crazy.
00:52:49.000You know, all this academic-type talk.
00:52:52.000But we're gonna take a look and we'll see what some of our Streamlabs and Superchats are.
00:52:56.000We'll see how you guys are reacting, what you guys thought.
00:52:59.000I wish I had more thoughts for you on this, but honestly, what more is there to be said on this debate which is about two ancient economic ideologies which are... just have no place in this century.
00:53:12.000You know, like I said, think about debating the Communist Manifesto in 2019.
00:53:17.000Communist Manifesto was written in what?
00:53:34.00070 years later, it influences a political movement to the extent that you have a proper revolution, then you have a five-year civil war, then you have the installation of this ideology, becomes the governing ideology of one of the world's biggest countries, the world's biggest country.
00:54:12.000Like, you've seen the entire lifespan of that ideology, and that's the book that we're
00:54:17.000Critiquing that's what we're I'm supposed to give like a really reason and like I just don't understand how that's the thing that we're focusing on.
00:54:25.000You know you see all these problems happening in the country today with immigration, trade, foreign policy, Donald Trump getting into office.
00:54:32.000What does that have to do with what Karl Marx said about the proletariat in 1850?
00:54:36.000And even Zizek wasn't even talking about that.
00:54:38.000So it's like you're dumb for thinking that we were gonna go in and talk about that and then Zizek coming in you know again I think he was a little bit closer to the point there but
00:55:13.000If you look at what it influenced and these greater trends that are happening, which is populism, which is happening across the globe, it's happening in India.
00:55:21.000It's happening in Japan, it's happening in Europe, it's happening in the Middle East in different forms, it's happening in Latin America, Lopez Obrador, Bolsonaro, and so on.
00:55:31.000So, the election of Trump, and what was that about?
00:56:06.000And so yeah, Zizek makes an interesting point about how maybe that's, you know, refugees and immigration is caused by the economic structure.
00:56:14.000Well, that's an interesting point to be made, but not even to say about the very nature of race and where we are.
00:56:21.000I just felt like it was totally missing the point.
00:56:24.000Just very, very, very big wasted opportunity.
00:58:34.000It's still edgy I love I could do this forever.
00:58:37.000I could hear the same things until the end of time you know for a hundred years Dan Dees is going through some tough times the show helps keep me sane and smiling on a nightly basis despite the chaos Thanks, big guy much appreciated keep fighting a good fight.
01:02:55.000But beyond that, if it did come down to some sort of debate between the physical sciences and the metaphysical, where is the debate to be had?
01:03:03.000You know, look at, look at what, and this is not, I hope you don't interpret this as a God of the gaps argument, because it isn't.
01:03:10.000But look at how many things, simple things, and how many things science simply has no explanation for.
01:03:18.000And to say that you would put your faith in the scientific argument, like, what does that even mean?
01:03:58.000But it is to say, if you're not reading the smartest people who have made the best arguments and have stood the test of time, can you say you're really trying to arrive at an understanding?
01:04:58.000You know, and I never like was touched by God or anything like that, but I just thought to myself, would it really make sense in the absence of a creator?
01:05:06.000It just doesn't seem, you know, just seem very logical to me that we would be implanted with some sort of an appetite for spiritual communion or for meaning or for morality or for order or these things.
01:05:22.000If there wasn't something to satiate that, you know?
01:05:25.000Why would we be these rational beings who need that if it wasn't there, right?
01:05:30.000It just wouldn't... It just doesn't really make sense.
01:05:33.000I don't think you can make sense of the civilization outside of design, outside of that kind of...
01:05:41.000I don't know if I'm articulating it well enough, but that's my advice to you.
01:06:32.000So I don't know, I don't know where you're getting all of your information here.
01:06:35.000Dan D, maybe it's a Jordan Peterson stan coming at me.
01:06:39.000Dan D says, I went to a Mises event recently for a nostalgia sake and I like the Contra Krugman guys and the Mises Institute is becoming more anti-immigrant.
01:08:28.000He says, I long for the day when evo-psych, evolutionary psychology, develops completely and communism eternally BTFO'd.
01:08:36.000The government will use complex mathematics and a perfect understanding of biological determinism to place us all in our destined role and we never have to hear these debates again.
01:11:10.000Edward Bernays says the conscious and intelligent manipulation of organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in a democratic society.
01:12:58.000Just crank it up 10 times higher and just let's just hope the dominoes can't start to fall because it feels like nothing can happen anymore.
01:14:56.000Even most of the baggaging, it may be new at a glance, but all that is also very old.
01:15:01.000For communism and Marxism, there was the politics of envy.
01:15:05.000Okay, but you understand the premise here, right?
01:15:08.000Was Peterson talking about the politics of envy, or was he talking about
01:15:12.000The presuppositions Marx and Engels are making in the Communist Manifesto.
01:15:16.000Because talking about the binary between bourgeoisie and proletariat doesn't strike me as getting at the fundamental nature of the politics of envy.
01:15:24.000It strikes me as deriving 100% from a 200 or 170 year old... What is the math on that?
01:15:31.000170 year old political text, which is totally irrelevant right now.
01:15:52.000JP says you could have been a basketball player, a real good one, since you're 6'9 and 2% black, but you sacrificed to red pill us NICAs and put up with our obnoxious superchats.
01:16:02.000You're like that grumpy grandpa I never had.
01:17:13.000Uh, KC says, to me it seemed like Zizek showed up to try and explain his positions in the hopes of converting people, while JP actually wanted to debate.
01:18:46.000I've never even been to Gary, Indiana.
01:18:49.000And white flight due to the decline of the steel mills.
01:18:51.000Yeah, I don't know if that was the cause of it, frankly.
01:18:55.000So uh look Chicago is a great city it's just going downhill very quickly for obvious reasons we all know um and the good thing is there are still a lot of good neighborhoods you can live in it's very segregated so you know I think that's why you know in some places you're afforded even a
01:19:33.000David Morse's my name is Nick pronounced with a umpty yo ladies oh how I like to hump thee and all the rappers in the tent please allow me to bump thee okay thank you for that uh blue four says got any white pills whoops scroll down too far there where was I
01:20:38.000You think anybody in history was like, you know, dying from plague or getting shot or stabbed or, you know, horrible things that go on and they go to this, can you give me a white pill, man?
01:20:48.000Can you tell me the sunny side of this?
01:21:02.000The white pill is, well, it's not the worst thing that can happen to you, but uh, you know, if we fail, or if we get to a certain point, we could die and go to heaven, and that's your white pill.
01:23:08.000You know, people who aren't familiar with the dynamic I have with the Super Chatters, they would seize that and they'd be like, what are you doing?
01:26:14.000Like, in what context is that, like, an appropriate thing to do, you know?
01:26:19.000I don't know, I guess if you're an evangelist or something, but I can't imagine going up to my friends and being like, let's have a serious conversation about God.
01:26:27.000It feels like today if you're not on our team, there's just not a lot of hope for bringing people over, right?
01:26:32.000So I don't think anybody's gonna make the arguments.
01:26:34.000It's like you turn on people who can make the arguments, which is books, content, whatever.
01:26:40.000But it just seems like if you're not getting it in 2019, you're just not getting it.
01:26:44.000I don't know if that's, maybe I'm too black-pilled on that, but
01:26:49.000How do you convince a simple person about complex arguments for God's existence?
01:26:53.000Why would you need to convince them of complex arguments?
01:27:31.000I have been thinking about maybe moving to Iceland once a Democrat gets into office because you don't have an extradition treaty with America, but I hear that you guys help out America lately, so I don't know.
01:27:43.000So I don't know, maybe that's not in the cards.
01:27:45.000I'll have to settle for Libya or Venezuela or something, but hoping the best for Iceland as well.
01:28:29.000Samantha says, would you ever move to LA?
01:28:31.000I would literally never move to LA no matter what because California is going into the ocean as punishment for homosexuality and degeneracy and everybody knows that.
01:28:46.000They're not gonna think I'm crazy when they're in a pile of rubble or they're drowning in the ocean or they're on fire or something because it is going into the ocean.
01:28:55.000How many earthquakes have we seen in the last two years?