00:00:34.000As you know, I got banned from DLive and we're working through this temporary solution.
00:00:38.000So we don't have the technical capacity for tonight to go forward with it because we had some issues with the stream last night and the night before.
00:00:46.000So I think the timing was kind of interesting, actually, that no show tonight and I'm unable to do a show.
00:00:53.000And that's where, you know, the stream happened.
00:00:57.000So I haven't watched it, I haven't seen all the accusations that were made or anything like that.
00:01:35.000The substance or the content of what he said, or his opinions, or whatever, it's the manner in which he went about this.
00:01:41.000Because the first thing I want to say is there was a real deliberative process that went on internally for weeks about whether or not to move forward with AFPAC.
00:01:54.000In the aftermath of the Capitol riots, I called up all the Groyper generals.
00:03:46.000Concerns are this, this, this, and the other thing.
00:03:49.000And I will come back in a week after we address these things and see if we can mitigate risks.
00:03:54.000We'll see if we can mitigate these concerns.
00:03:57.000We'll come back in a week and I'll tell you how we've done.
00:03:59.000And I'll tell you the major concerns were these.
00:04:02.000The first concern, and in my opinion, the biggest and most practical and realistic concern was venue cancellation.
00:04:09.000That was the first and the biggest issue that was raised, which is to say, what if we go forward with the conference and the venue pulls out, the venue cancels on us?
00:04:18.000The second concern, of course, is the privacy and the security of the attendees.
00:04:23.000You know, are people going to be doxxed?
00:04:25.000Are people going to be put in harm's way?
00:04:28.000Is there going to be any kind of risk that people are going to have their identity compromised or that the event won't be secured?
00:04:34.000And then all the other concerns were basically intangible or, in my opinion, unimportant.
00:04:41.000The concerns were things like well, there's going to be this perception that, you know, I don't know, like maybe people aren't going to buy tickets because of everything that's going on.
00:04:52.000Maybe people are going to say that because we're asking for the real names of the attendees, people will say that that's conspicuous or something.
00:05:02.000These other concerns fell into a category of things that were basically dependent on a public perception and things that are not tangible.
00:05:11.000Things like, well, I just don't think it's a good idea, or I think it's a bad time, or we should postpone it, we should delay it when things aren't like this.
00:05:18.000But, you know, from my understanding, when we were on this call, when I laid out the concerns, I said, okay, so from what I'm hearing, we've got venue cancellation, we've got doxing, and then we've got a lot of intangible things that, you know, they're either things that, Goes the territory with any conference.
00:05:34.000Any conference, people are going to have an opinion about it, right?
00:05:38.000And any conference, you run the risk that people are not going to want to buy in.
00:05:42.000And what's more is a lot of the concerns about this time are not specific to this time.
00:05:48.000These are concerns that we had last year.
00:05:50.000These are concerns that we'll have next year.
00:05:52.000Last year, people like Bronze Age Perverts said after the Groyper War, you've got all this attention on you, you've got people that are going to be targeting you, and it's not a good time.
00:07:08.000And then we went with the risk about people getting their identity compromised and things like that.
00:07:15.000And we realized that one of the biggest vulnerabilities for people getting their identity compromised is transacting online with e commerce.
00:07:23.000Because, of course, if people are submitting their information online, it's very easy for this information to end up in the wrong hands if it's on a third party.
00:07:30.000So, like last year, we're only doing checks, we're only doing cash to accept payment.
00:07:35.000And what's more is we've implemented a very sophisticated, very thorough security system.
00:07:41.000I have not gone into detail about that on my show because to reveal the security system would give people, obviously, time to prepare to thwart our security system.
00:07:52.000So we're hoping that people are going to be caught off guard, but there's a lot that's going into it.
00:08:20.000Patrick was an opponent of going forward with the conference, of course.
00:08:23.000And the first call and the second call.
00:08:24.000And these, and by the way, these were the concerns that he raised.
00:08:28.000Okay, so everything that I'm hearing today about no fly list or frozen bank account or FBI, never heard that from him.
00:08:36.000Never heard that from him on call number one.
00:08:38.000Never heard that from him from call number two.
00:08:40.000I have not heard about those so called concerns until tonight, until that stream, which is very interesting because we had our first call lasted for hours.
00:08:50.000And the second call, I think, lasted for an hour too.
00:08:53.000And I gave everybody an opportunity to vent their concerns.
00:08:56.000I gave everybody an opportunity to tell me.
00:08:59.000I said, and I made this point repeatedly.
00:09:03.000I said, and I want to know if I have any blind spots.
00:09:06.000I want to know what the practical concerns, what problems we could run into that maybe I'm not considering so that if these concerns are too great, I will call it off.
00:09:14.000And, you know, he made a comment on the stream.
00:09:16.000He said, well, Nick said that he put up all this money and he's just trying to recoup his money.
00:09:22.000And he leaves out the fact that I said on the first call, I said, look, we have put up a lot of money that we will lose if we cancel the conference.
00:09:29.000And I said on the first call, like a month ago, maybe not a month ago, a few weeks ago, I said, I am willing to eat that cost.
00:09:43.000That's the foundation that's losing that money.
00:09:46.000So I said, I'm perfectly willing to eat the cost.
00:09:48.000I said, the only reason I bring it up is because, you know, you guys get on this call and you're saying, well, we don't think it's a good idea.
00:09:55.000And I'm saying, we need practical concerns.
00:09:58.000I want to hear tangible concerns because a lot of time and a lot of money has gone into this.
00:10:02.000And it's not as simple as pulling the plug.
00:12:29.000So I came back on the call and I told them this is what we've done.
00:12:32.000And I said, by the way, doxing and this kind of thing, this is a risk that you take whenever you go anywhere.
00:12:39.000And you know me, maybe you don't, but people who watch my show will know this.
00:12:43.000I, on my show for years, have talked about IRL events, and I have always talked about the risks.
00:12:49.000I have always told people only get involved in the movement insofar as you are willing to take non zero risks when it comes to things like this.
00:12:57.000You know, and anytime you do an event, whether it's Groeper Leadership Summit or AFPAC One or AFPAC Two or Stop the Steal, whenever you fucking leave your house and you engage in political activity, it carries a risk with it.
00:13:09.000You know, whether we do an event now or in six months or in a year or five years, there will always be a concern that maybe somebody will have their identity compromised because this is just the nature of political organizing.
00:13:55.000I don't want to go into details, but lots of money to make sure that this thing has security measures that I've never seen at a conference before.
00:14:03.000I've been to a lot of conferences, secret, private, public.
00:14:05.000I've never seen the security measures that we're implementing in my entire life.
00:16:27.000And like Tuesday afternoon, I was getting ready to pull the plug.
00:16:31.000And then I talked to a friend of mine who's very smart and who has a lot of experience in planning events.
00:16:36.000I mean, this guy, I don't want to dox anything, but biggest events that you can imagine, like tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people.
00:16:44.000He has planned serious events at the highest level.
00:16:47.000And, you know, he's got one foot into the dissident sphere, too.
00:16:50.000So this guy's opinion, I really trust.
00:16:52.000The thing that I have to say about everybody that gave me their opinion, Is when you evaluate someone's opinion, you got to establish the credibility.
00:16:59.000You know, I talked to somebody who's like an academic and he said, I don't think it's a good idea.
00:17:03.000He said, I take that with a grain of salt.
00:17:07.000You know, I think you're a very smart guy, but you don't engage in event planning.
00:17:11.000And a lot of the people that had doubts don't plan events either.
00:17:14.000You know, Patrick, which is a guy who had a doubt, he organized AFPAC last year.
00:17:18.000And there was a big problem that we had last year at AFPAC.
00:17:22.000Towards the end of the event, people were able to figure out what hotel we were in because the wall.
00:17:28.000Of the conference room was showing in the live stream.
00:17:31.000And that wasn't supposed to be the case.
00:17:33.000There was supposed to be a big banner behind where the speakers were speaking last year at AFPAC that had the America First logo on it, a big backdrop.
00:17:51.000And so we're like, okay, well, we'll just go with it.
00:17:54.000And so we went with the conference, we live streamed it, and people were able to figure out what hotel it was because the wall of the conference room was exposed.
00:18:01.000If they see any type of exposing material, they'll figure it out.
00:18:18.000I just let you go ahead, finish your account, and I have some questions because chat's going to kill me if I don't ask some of these specific questions.
00:19:26.000If this guy is saying that and this guy's thinking, in other words, the same way I am, this guy has the same practical mentality about it, I'm like, if he's giving that back to me, if he has the same headspace on it, I said, I'm not crazy here.
00:20:34.000You know, Beardson raised a good point.
00:20:36.000If you're telling everybody it's okay for them to go, but there's lots of risks, then, you know, you're putting your own people in harm's way.
00:20:44.000If it's safe to go, but you're not going, then you're like bitching out.
00:21:28.000So, and again, you know, he made some allegations.
00:21:31.000First off, he said you were under federal investigation.
00:21:33.000That was one claim that he made there.
00:21:35.000I don't know if you want to answer that.
00:21:36.000Of course, if you were, you probably wouldn't go into great detail about it.
00:21:40.000But he did make that allegation and said you're putting people at risk basically because you yourself, the leader of the conference, was under federal investigation.
00:21:49.000Well, here's what I'll say about this because you're right.
00:21:51.000When it comes to these matters, I have to be tight lipped.
00:22:44.000They visited people I know, but they haven't talked to me.
00:22:47.000And to my knowledge, I'm not under investigation other than what the media said.
00:22:52.000And I talked to somebody who works in intelligence, and I said, you know, what do you, or somebody who used to work in intelligence, I should say, I said, what do you think about this Bitcoin story, these accusations?
00:23:03.000And he said, well, the media, When they report that, it could be true, it could not be true.
00:23:08.000He said, you know, assume that you're being watched, assume that you're a person of interest.
00:23:13.000He said, now being a person of interest really doesn't mean much.
00:23:16.000I mean, there are a lot of people probably after the Capitol that are a person of interest, but that doesn't mean much.
00:23:22.000I mean, probably my communications are being monitored.
00:23:36.000I mean, I guess it's kind of in the same vein, but I guess it's a little more specific because.
00:23:40.000He claimed that your specific bank account had been frozen and it seemed to imply that that was one reason you were going ahead with this to recoup costs or whatever.
00:27:46.000What I said on my show, what I said on my show several times over the past couple of weeks, is that the Department of Homeland Security revoked my TSA pre check status.
00:27:57.000Pre check is when it's a special program, you pay $100, and you don't have to take your shoes off when you go through security at the airport.
00:28:06.000It's like this advanced screening thing where they do a background check on you.
00:28:10.000They make sure you're not like in Al Qaeda.
00:28:12.000And then if you're not a terrorist, they say, okay, you don't have to take your laptop out of your bag.
00:28:16.000You don't have to take your shoes off.
00:28:18.000You don't have to take your toiletries out when you go through security.
00:28:21.000And so I got sent a letter that said I was pulled off of that.
00:28:45.000It's all out there if anybody has any information, but that's all the information that's out there about it that even I know about.
00:28:51.000The TSA pre check thing, I myself have said on my show.
00:28:54.000And I have strongly alluded to the fact on my show that I'm being watched, that I'm probably a person of interest, that the establishment is interested in me, which is pretty obvious after the Capitol riots, which is pretty obvious with everything that's going on between Ricky Vaughn and Baked Alaska and everything else.
00:29:14.000You know, the bigger here to me, the bigger point is this it's about, you know, what am I telling people exactly what they're getting into by going to AFPAC?
00:30:01.000I'm giving you a general idea of what's going on, and people can decide for themselves.
00:30:05.000But ultimately, and this is the worst part, and I think this is the biggest deal, is when I tell somebody something in confidence at a time like this, in a movement like this, it is.
00:30:18.000An unforgivable transgression that you breach that confidence because that is all that we have in this movement is trust.
00:30:26.000I do have the fucking FBI looking at me, I'm sure.
00:30:29.000I do have the federal government looking over me.
00:30:31.000I have to look over my shoulder everywhere I go because of what's been going on.
00:30:36.000And the fact that I tell Patrick some things in confidence about my security or my legal situation or whatever, and he is going to use that, you know, broadcast that all over the internet, all over the airwaves.
00:30:50.000Basically, to excuse himself for not going to the conference, this to me is unforgivable.
00:30:56.000And in some ways, it's not even about the conference itself.
00:30:59.000If you think it's not a good idea, then fine, don't go.
00:31:04.000If you think that there's more to the story, then fine, don't go.
00:31:06.000But nobody can defend being told something in confidence, especially at a time like this, with the nature and the sensitivity of the things that he revealed, and then go and tell that to the entire internet.
00:31:20.000And when I said I was surprised, it was because I thought that Patrick understood that because Patrick was in AIM.
00:32:10.000Anything related to AFPAC that we should be concerned because of, you know, being on a no fly list or my funds being frozen, right?
00:32:17.000He never raised that to me once, you know.
00:32:20.000So if you really, this white knight, if you're really so concerned, pick up the phone and call me and say, look, I think you're being reckless.
00:32:26.000You're making a big mistake because of these things that are going on.
00:32:32.000Beardson called him out for a lot of things.
00:32:34.000And he hinted at other things, which he didn't reveal.
00:32:37.000And there are things that even Beardson is not at liberty to reveal.
00:32:41.000And I'm not, you know, that's not a veiled threat or anything.
00:32:44.000But Beardson was attacking Patrick, and without a warning, you know, the last thing I said to Patrick was, Have a good stream, you know, because I told him, I said, Look, I told Beardson to stop attacking you, but, you know, what's he saying now?
00:33:08.000And I said, Look, I actually don't really feel obligated to go out on a limb to defend you because you're not going to my conference to support me.
00:33:15.000I'm going to this conference with two other people, Vince and Jaden, and four Groyper generals aren't going.
00:33:21.000I said, You can all explain to the audience why you're not going.
00:33:27.000And I guess Patrick went on and he told everybody, Well, I think it's a terrible idea, and taking a lot of things and stretching them, revealing confidential things.
00:33:36.000That kind of breach of trust to me is unforgivable because now I have to go back and think what's everything I've ever told to Patrick?
00:33:45.000Everybody who has ever talked to Patrick Casey.
00:33:48.000Everybody who's ever texted Patrick Casey, everybody who's ever had an email correspondence with Patrick Casey, everybody who is in AIM, everybody who is in Identity Europa, they now have to ask themselves, what did I tell Patrick Casey that could come back to bite me?
00:34:04.000Because Patrick has shown that he is untrustworthy.
00:34:06.000He chose that you could tell him something sensitive in confidence with a lot of gravity, with grave magnitude, and he will betray that confidence to save his own skin or for any reason.
00:34:18.000And now I have to go back, even coming on tonight.
00:34:21.000I almost didn't come on tonight because I'm thinking to myself, gee, what have I told Patrick over the years?
00:34:26.000If I come back and refute these allegations, if I come on the stream, is Patrick going to leak something?
00:34:31.000Is Patrick going to reveal a text message, a DM?
00:34:35.000You know, and that we already are in a perilous position enough that we're being surveilled, that the left is monitoring us.
00:34:43.000You know, I don't need to explain in detail what we're up against here, especially in the past month.
00:34:48.000And now we can't even trust each other.
00:34:50.000Now we can't even be gentlemen and talk over secure channels about serious matters like this.
00:34:55.000We're going to be spilling our dirty laundry over the airwaves.
00:34:58.000And I'll say, this is the first time that I'm addressing this.
00:35:02.000When people ask me, why is Patrick not going?
00:35:18.000I don't know all the backstage stuff, but I can see that there appears to be a little bit of a harder edge to some of the stuff he's saying about you.
00:35:25.000And I don't know if there's something building up, maybe, or I don't know.
00:39:46.000Patrick's the last person I would expect to do something like this, given his background.
00:39:50.000But, you know, when Beardson first attacked Patrick a couple of days ago, I think it was on Monday, I texted Beardson and I told him, you know, like, stop.
00:40:02.000In the middle of the stream, in the middle of a stream, I said, could you stop?
00:40:05.000And Beardson didn't check his DMs until afterwards.
00:40:21.000And Beardson, I think, brought up some good points.
00:40:24.000Frankly, when a lot of people, when Patrick and a few others decided not to go to the conference, I thought it was pretty disloyal because there's a certain element, too, of a lot of people really bandwagoned onto America first when times were good.
00:40:39.000You know, like Patrick wasn't even supposed to speak at AFPAC last year.
00:40:44.000And then he kind of just weaseled his way into speaking there.
00:40:47.000You know, and so Patrick, when times were good, he wanted to be a speaker at AFPAC, even though he was anti American nationalism.
00:40:54.000He didn't even like me for a long time.
00:40:55.000But Patrick totally bandwagoned onto my show, onto my following, my movement, my whole deal.
00:41:02.000And I welcomed him into the fold, in spite of the fact that he was basically a liability.
00:41:07.000I mean, this is a guy who was in Identity Europa.
00:41:09.000He's like the, as far as connection to the alt right goes, He is the closest connection that America first ever had to the alt right, the most intimate, the most direct.
00:41:19.000And even though he was basically a liability, we welcomed him in.
00:41:23.000And I don't know if you remember in the Groyper War, but when Charlie Kirk at the North Carolina event brought up identify Yafrapa, that was the only defeat that the Groypers ever had.
00:41:32.000And it was basically because of that baggage, you know?
00:41:35.000And in spite of that, we welcomed him into the fray and all of this.
00:41:39.000And he made lots of money in the past year.
00:41:41.000He has made lots of money, you know, basically sidling up next to me and bandwagoning off of this thing.
00:41:48.000And now, when things are difficult, and now, you know, when I'm asking people to go to this conference, I'm talking specifically about the leaders.
00:41:54.000If people want to make their own choice, that's their prerogative.
00:41:57.000But we're talking about APAC leaders not going to this thing.
00:42:00.000I did take it as a sign of disloyalty that a few of them wouldn't go, especially Patrick.
00:42:04.000I didn't think he had a good reason not to go.
00:42:06.000And so I told him after last night, I said, look, you know, you decided not to go.
00:42:53.000Exaggerating other things or half truths or whatever, and he's making it appear worse than it is, implying bad intentions so that his decision is justified in people's eyes.
00:43:04.000And a lot of people are going to walk away from this and say, Oh, you know, this Nick's a terrible guy and whatever, and blah, blah, blah.
00:45:07.000You think you could trust a guy, you talk to somebody, and then they're going to twist it and turn it and blow it out of proportion and basically just make up falsehoods.
00:45:35.000I mean, looks like a guy with, like, you know, James Olsen who has Down syndrome or something.
00:45:40.000Patrick Casey wearing that helmet, I can't say it because we're on Trovo, but wearing that helmet at Charlottesville, I mean, they would still be doing the same old song and dance.
00:45:48.000I mean, where would Patrick Casey be without America first?
00:45:51.000Where would this dissonant right movement be without America first?
00:45:54.000So before everybody's so quick to hurl accusations or, you know, take accusations as the gospel truth, I would just ask who got us.
00:46:04.000To the point of Groyper War, who got us to the point of Stop the Steal?
00:46:08.000And now things go bad, and now everybody wants to turn their back.
00:46:11.000You know, in a lot of ways, this is a good thing because I don't need any sunshine patriots.
00:46:19.000I don't need people that are going to be by my side only when things are good, only when there's money to be made, and only when things are going terrific, and only when things aren't difficult, and when there's nothing that people have on the line or to sacrifice.
00:46:32.000Spare me the people that are only going to be here on sunny days like Patrick was, because Patrick had no problem being in on the take for the past year.
00:46:40.000I'm sure he'd made more than six figures last year doing super chats on D Live.
00:46:45.000Now, why do you think he winded up on D Live?
00:46:47.000That's because America First was on D Live.
00:46:49.000And where do you think his audience came from?
00:47:15.000He burned, you know, three, four years ago, he sent me this email, this real asshole email.
00:47:21.000He sent me something like, you know, he was like, you know, I don't know if you're just a kid, but you need to learn to respect people that have been in this movement and all this totally gay stuff.
00:47:32.000And then a year later, he's sucking me off on Groyper War.
00:47:34.000So, you know, if anybody has anything to learn about Burn Bridges, I think it's going to be that little guy.