America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - February 13, 2021


Killstream - AFPAC II + Patrick Casey drama


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In this episode, I talk about why I decided to go forward with the AFPAC conference. I also talk about the controversy surrounding Patrick Casey and his comments about the movement and the way he handled the situation. And I give my thoughts on what I would have done differently.

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00:00:00.000 Yeah, well, I will tell you the truth.
00:00:02.000 I didn't even catch the Patrick Casey stream.
00:00:05.000 I was busy this evening taking care of some things.
00:00:10.000 And so I actually missed the entire deal.
00:00:13.000 I was engaged in something where I was unable to access my phone, wasn't able to watch the stream.
00:00:22.000 And it's interesting because I had actually announced earlier today that I wasn't doing a show tonight.
00:00:27.000 You know, I think that was announced this afternoon.
00:00:31.000 And so I'm unable to live stream currently.
00:00:33.000 We're working on our stream.
00:00:34.000 As you know, I got banned from DLive and we're working through this temporary solution.
00:00:38.000 So we don't have the technical capacity for tonight to go forward with it because we had some issues with the stream last night and the night before.
00:00:46.000 So I think the timing was kind of interesting, actually, that no show tonight and I'm unable to do a show.
00:00:53.000 And that's where, you know, the stream happened.
00:00:57.000 So I haven't watched it, I haven't seen all the accusations that were made or anything like that.
00:01:02.000 I certainly heard about it online.
00:01:04.000 I've heard about it secondhand from people.
00:01:07.000 And, you know, I want to say in the first place, I'm really surprised.
00:01:11.000 I'm really surprised and disappointed with Patrick.
00:01:16.000 And I'm not only surprised because I considered Patrick a friend, and we were even friendly just the other day, you know.
00:01:25.000 And I thought Patrick was supposed to be an ally of this movement, you know, a friend of the movement and all of that.
00:01:31.000 And it's not only the.
00:01:35.000 The substance or the content of what he said, or his opinions, or whatever, it's the manner in which he went about this.
00:01:41.000 Because the first thing I want to say is there was a real deliberative process that went on internally for weeks about whether or not to move forward with AFPAC.
00:01:54.000 In the aftermath of the Capitol riots, I called up all the Groyper generals.
00:01:59.000 Many people were involved in this.
00:02:02.000 And we had this discussion for hours.
00:02:05.000 We had several calls about this.
00:02:08.000 And I went into each of those calls and I told everybody because, and, you know, full disclosure, I am organizing AFPAC.
00:02:16.000 I'm organizing AFPAC this year through a 501c4 nonprofit called the America First Foundation.
00:02:23.000 It's my foundation, it's my nonprofit.
00:02:26.000 I have donors that have put up the money for this.
00:02:29.000 It's my donor network and people involved with me that are putting this together, putting up the money, and all of that. 1.00
00:02:35.000 And so I called up all the Groeper generals to say, what are your thoughts? on going forward with this. 0.99
00:02:42.000 This is weeks ago.
00:02:43.000 I don't remember the exact date when we had this call, but I got everybody on the phone and I said, I have an open mind.
00:02:49.000 Tell me what your thoughts are.
00:02:52.000 Should we go forward?
00:02:53.000 Should we not go forward?
00:02:54.000 What are your concerns?
00:02:56.000 What are your thoughts?
00:02:57.000 You think it's a good idea?
00:02:59.000 I said, and I'm on the fence and I was at the time.
00:03:01.000 I was undecided on this for a long time, actually until last week.
00:03:05.000 I was undecided until last Tuesday.
00:03:07.000 Last Tuesday is when I made the final decision to move forward with the conference.
00:03:12.000 And so, this was weeks ago that I got on the phone with everybody and I said, you know, what are your thoughts?
00:03:17.000 I'm still making up my mind.
00:03:18.000 And we went around and it seemed basically divided.
00:03:22.000 About half of the Groyper generals said, let's do it. 0.90
00:03:25.000 Let's go forward with it.
00:03:27.000 It's a good idea.
00:03:27.000 It's a good opportunity, et cetera.
00:03:29.000 And the other half raised concerns.
00:03:32.000 And I asked them what their concerns were and we explored their concerns.
00:03:36.000 And I said, okay, well, I will come back to all of you in a week.
00:03:42.000 I will address these concerns.
00:03:43.000 You know, I enumerated them.
00:03:44.000 I said, okay, our.
00:03:46.000 Concerns are this, this, this, and the other thing.
00:03:49.000 And I will come back in a week after we address these things and see if we can mitigate risks.
00:03:54.000 We'll see if we can mitigate these concerns.
00:03:57.000 We'll come back in a week and I'll tell you how we've done.
00:03:59.000 And I'll tell you the major concerns were these.
00:04:02.000 The first concern, and in my opinion, the biggest and most practical and realistic concern was venue cancellation.
00:04:09.000 That was the first and the biggest issue that was raised, which is to say, what if we go forward with the conference and the venue pulls out, the venue cancels on us?
00:04:18.000 The second concern, of course, is the privacy and the security of the attendees.
00:04:23.000 You know, are people going to be doxxed?
00:04:25.000 Are people going to be put in harm's way?
00:04:28.000 Is there going to be any kind of risk that people are going to have their identity compromised or that the event won't be secured?
00:04:34.000 And then all the other concerns were basically intangible or, in my opinion, unimportant.
00:04:41.000 The concerns were things like well, there's going to be this perception that, you know, I don't know, like maybe people aren't going to buy tickets because of everything that's going on.
00:04:52.000 Maybe people are going to say that because we're asking for the real names of the attendees, people will say that that's conspicuous or something.
00:05:00.000 You know, a lot of the concerns.
00:05:02.000 These other concerns fell into a category of things that were basically dependent on a public perception and things that are not tangible.
00:05:11.000 Things like, well, I just don't think it's a good idea, or I think it's a bad time, or we should postpone it, we should delay it when things aren't like this.
00:05:18.000 But, you know, from my understanding, when we were on this call, when I laid out the concerns, I said, okay, so from what I'm hearing, we've got venue cancellation, we've got doxing, and then we've got a lot of intangible things that, you know, they're either things that, Goes the territory with any conference.
00:05:34.000 Any conference, people are going to have an opinion about it, right?
00:05:38.000 And any conference, you run the risk that people are not going to want to buy in.
00:05:42.000 And what's more is a lot of the concerns about this time are not specific to this time.
00:05:48.000 These are concerns that we had last year.
00:05:50.000 These are concerns that we'll have next year.
00:05:52.000 Last year, people like Bronze Age Perverts said after the Groyper War, you've got all this attention on you, you've got people that are going to be targeting you, and it's not a good time.
00:06:03.000 That's what they told us last year.
00:06:05.000 You know, and last year there were no problems.
00:06:07.000 Last year, nobody got doxxed.
00:06:08.000 Last year, none of these really serious concerns materialized, right?
00:06:12.000 And so I said, look, we can talk about things that are pragmatic and we could try to figure out those concerns.
00:06:18.000 And the things that are intangible, well, I'm not really interested in that, right?
00:06:22.000 So I went ahead with the team that's putting together AFPAC and we addressed venue cancellation.
00:06:27.000 We called up the venue and we said, you know, we are going to need you to go up all the way up the flagpole and ask if this is guaranteed.
00:06:35.000 We, we, Have certain provisions in our contract which protect us.
00:06:39.000 And specifically, when talking to them, we gave them all the bad press.
00:06:43.000 We said, Look, they're calling us insurrectionists.
00:06:45.000 They're calling us terrorists. 0.83
00:06:47.000 They're calling us white nationalists, white supremacists. 0.81
00:06:49.000 This is what you're going to get.
00:06:50.000 You're going to get Antifa.
00:06:52.000 If this thing gets leaked, you're going to get everybody coming down.
00:06:55.000 We gave them the worst of it.
00:06:56.000 And they got back to us.
00:06:57.000 They ran it up the flagpole with everybody and they said, We're totally fine.
00:07:01.000 And I said, You know what?
00:07:02.000 Just in case that that's not true, we'll book a backup venue too, which we've done.
00:07:07.000 So, there's that.
00:07:08.000 And then we went with the risk about people getting their identity compromised and things like that.
00:07:15.000 And we realized that one of the biggest vulnerabilities for people getting their identity compromised is transacting online with e commerce.
00:07:23.000 Because, of course, if people are submitting their information online, it's very easy for this information to end up in the wrong hands if it's on a third party.
00:07:30.000 So, like last year, we're only doing checks, we're only doing cash to accept payment.
00:07:35.000 And what's more is we've implemented a very sophisticated, very thorough security system.
00:07:41.000 I have not gone into detail about that on my show because to reveal the security system would give people, obviously, time to prepare to thwart our security system.
00:07:52.000 So we're hoping that people are going to be caught off guard, but there's a lot that's going into it.
00:07:56.000 It's very severe.
00:07:57.000 Last year, we had a very strict vetting procedure, very strict security, and nothing happened.
00:08:01.000 And this year, we're increasing that dramatically.
00:08:04.000 There's far more provisions in place.
00:08:06.000 And so I got back on the phone with everybody the following week, and I said, here's what we've done.
00:08:10.000 Here's what we've done to address venue cancellation.
00:08:12.000 Here's what we've done.
00:08:13.000 Did Patrick Casey raise anything during these calls?
00:08:15.000 Did he specifically speak about any of this?
00:08:18.000 Yes, yes.
00:08:20.000 Patrick was an opponent of going forward with the conference, of course.
00:08:23.000 And the first call and the second call.
00:08:24.000 And these, and by the way, these were the concerns that he raised.
00:08:28.000 Okay, so everything that I'm hearing today about no fly list or frozen bank account or FBI, never heard that from him.
00:08:36.000 Never heard that from him on call number one.
00:08:38.000 Never heard that from him from call number two.
00:08:40.000 I have not heard about those so called concerns until tonight, until that stream, which is very interesting because we had our first call lasted for hours.
00:08:50.000 And the second call, I think, lasted for an hour too.
00:08:53.000 And I gave everybody an opportunity to vent their concerns.
00:08:56.000 I gave everybody an opportunity to tell me.
00:08:59.000 I said, and I made this point repeatedly.
00:08:59.000 And I said this.
00:09:02.000 I said, I'm on the fence.
00:09:03.000 I said, and I want to know if I have any blind spots.
00:09:06.000 I want to know what the practical concerns, what problems we could run into that maybe I'm not considering so that if these concerns are too great, I will call it off.
00:09:14.000 And, you know, he made a comment on the stream.
00:09:16.000 He said, well, Nick said that he put up all this money and he's just trying to recoup his money.
00:09:21.000 And that's why.
00:09:22.000 And he leaves out the fact that I said on the first call, I said, look, we have put up a lot of money that we will lose if we cancel the conference.
00:09:29.000 And I said on the first call, like a month ago, maybe not a month ago, a few weeks ago, I said, I am willing to eat that cost.
00:09:37.000 Now, that's not Patrick.
00:09:38.000 That's not any of these guys who are weighing in.
00:09:41.000 That's me.
00:09:42.000 That's me, okay?
00:09:43.000 That's the foundation that's losing that money.
00:09:46.000 So I said, I'm perfectly willing to eat the cost.
00:09:48.000 I said, the only reason I bring it up is because, you know, you guys get on this call and you're saying, well, we don't think it's a good idea.
00:09:55.000 And I'm saying, we need practical concerns.
00:09:58.000 I want to hear tangible concerns because a lot of time and a lot of money has gone into this.
00:10:02.000 And it's not as simple as pulling the plug.
00:10:04.000 We're going to have to unwind it.
00:10:07.000 It is going to cost a substantial amount of money and lots of energy and effort and time has gone out the window.
00:10:13.000 I said, but if this conference is a bad idea, then we will do that.
00:10:18.000 I said, I am prepared to do that.
00:10:20.000 If we can't have the conference, we won't have the conference.
00:10:22.000 I said, but I want to hear all the concerns and then I will make a decision about whether or not to move forward with it.
00:10:28.000 And I got on call number one and I heard the concerns and I said, what I just told you, I said, are these the concerns?
00:10:33.000 And they said, yes.
00:10:34.000 Yes, the summary that I just gave you, venue cancellation, doxing, and these intangibles, I said, Are those the concerns?
00:10:40.000 Yep.
00:10:41.000 Are you sure?
00:10:41.000 Is that everything?
00:10:42.000 Yep.
00:10:43.000 Those are the concerns.
00:10:44.000 So I went to work over the next week and a half or whatever it was, and we addressed all those things.
00:10:48.000 And I came back on the call and I said, This is what we've done.
00:10:51.000 I think that we have done everything in our power to mitigate the risks.
00:10:54.000 And you know what?
00:10:55.000 I don't think there is a catastrophic risk.
00:10:57.000 I said, I even, and I'll tell you this too, I haven't talked to my lawyers.
00:11:01.000 I'm talking to four different lawyers right now.
00:11:03.000 It's costing me an obscene amount of money.
00:11:06.000 Patrick said that I'm broke or something.
00:11:08.000 Imagine talking to four lawyers and ask yourself about that.
00:11:11.000 I've had to talk to a few recently.
00:11:14.000 Go ahead.
00:11:15.000 Is it possible to talk to four lawyers if you have zero dollars?
00:11:19.000 I think that would be a first in the history of mankind.
00:11:21.000 I think that would be really interesting.
00:11:23.000 And so I talked to them and I said, Look, we've got a conference going on because there's different things going on.
00:11:30.000 Obviously, there's a lot of legal fallout, there's a lot of questions, lots of things going on.
00:11:34.000 I said, Do you think?
00:11:36.000 There's any reason we should be concerned going forward with a conference like this.
00:11:39.000 And this is a lawyer, by the way, this is a lawyer that specializes with the FBI.
00:11:44.000 This is a criminal attorney that specializes with the FBI.
00:11:47.000 We referred to this attorney specifically because of his expertise.
00:11:50.000 And he said, Well, is it legal?
00:11:52.000 We said, Yeah.
00:11:53.000 He said, Everything's above board, right?
00:11:55.000 It has nothing to do with what happened on the 6th.
00:11:57.000 I said, no.
00:11:58.000 He said, then I wouldn't even worry about it.
00:12:00.000 And this is a guy who I've talked to a lot.
00:12:03.000 I've developed a personal relationship.
00:12:05.000 And he was very almost like dismissive of it, like don't even give it a second thought.
00:12:10.000 We said, really?
00:12:11.000 Are you sure?
00:12:12.000 Because everything that's going on, are you sure this is a good idea?
00:12:15.000 He said, yeah, yeah, of course.
00:12:18.000 Just go about your business like you would normally.
00:12:20.000 Now, that's not me making this up.
00:12:22.000 I was surprised when he said that, legitimately.
00:12:25.000 We said, are you serious?
00:12:25.000 And that's why we asked.
00:12:27.000 And he said that.
00:12:29.000 So I came back on the call and I told them this is what we've done.
00:12:32.000 And I said, by the way, doxing and this kind of thing, this is a risk that you take whenever you go anywhere.
00:12:39.000 And you know me, maybe you don't, but people who watch my show will know this.
00:12:43.000 I, on my show for years, have talked about IRL events, and I have always talked about the risks.
00:12:49.000 I have always told people only get involved in the movement insofar as you are willing to take non zero risks when it comes to things like this.
00:12:57.000 You know, and anytime you do an event, whether it's Groeper Leadership Summit or AFPAC One or AFPAC Two or Stop the Steal, whenever you fucking leave your house and you engage in political activity, it carries a risk with it.
00:13:08.000 I said so.
00:13:09.000 You know, whether we do an event now or in six months or in a year or five years, there will always be a concern that maybe somebody will have their identity compromised because this is just the nature of political organizing.
00:13:19.000 And everybody knows that.
00:13:20.000 And I've been 100%.
00:13:22.000 I've said that for years.
00:13:23.000 And I've even said that about this event.
00:13:25.000 I've been selling tickets for this event Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday on my show.
00:13:29.000 And every single night that I've sold tickets, And people can go back and watch the tape every single night.
00:13:34.000 I've said, if you have concerns, don't come.
00:13:37.000 If you're concerned, if you can't afford a non zero chance, then don't come.
00:13:42.000 I said, I'm not trying to force anybody to come.
00:13:44.000 I'm not trying to pressure anybody to come.
00:13:46.000 I'm going to tell you what we have done to mitigate this risk, which takes place at any conference.
00:13:51.000 And we're doing everything in our power.
00:13:53.000 It's costing us thousands of dollars.
00:13:55.000 I don't want to go into details, but lots of money to make sure that this thing has security measures that I've never seen at a conference before.
00:14:03.000 I've been to a lot of conferences, secret, private, public.
00:14:05.000 I've never seen the security measures that we're implementing in my entire life.
00:14:09.000 And I've been to some secure things.
00:14:11.000 I said, so we're doing everything in our power to make sure people are comfortable.
00:14:14.000 And if push comes to shove, just wear a mask the whole time.
00:14:17.000 Wear a mask.
00:14:17.000 Don't bring your phone, whatever.
00:14:19.000 And I've said that for the past few days.
00:14:20.000 Anyway, so I went on that call and I told them all this.
00:14:24.000 And I said, are there any outstanding concerns?
00:14:26.000 I said, because this is what you said last week.
00:14:28.000 We've taken care of it.
00:14:29.000 Frankly, I feel comfortable with it.
00:14:31.000 Everything you're telling me is now just what ifs, what ifs, intangibles.
00:14:35.000 What if people think that?
00:14:38.000 You know, what if people are uncomfortable giving their names?
00:14:40.000 Well, then they can't go.
00:14:41.000 Part of securing the event is having your name because what if some Antifa leftist shows up with a pseudonym?
00:14:46.000 We can't have that.
00:14:47.000 It's sort of paradoxical.
00:14:48.000 If you take pseudonyms, you can't have a secure event.
00:14:51.000 If you take real names, you can secure it.
00:14:53.000 I said, and if people aren't comfortable with that, then they don't go.
00:14:56.000 Well, what if they think this?
00:14:57.000 Well, it's not really a good time.
00:14:59.000 Well, it's really hot right now.
00:15:00.000 Well, we should wait for it to cool off.
00:15:01.000 I'm like, I'm not hearing anything tangible here.
00:15:03.000 I said, so I think I've heard all the concerns.
00:15:06.000 Unless there's anything new, We're going to make a decision.
00:15:10.000 I said, I'm not 100% committed yet.
00:15:12.000 This was on the second call.
00:15:13.000 He said, I'm not 100% in even.
00:15:15.000 I said, but I think I've heard all the concerns.
00:15:17.000 I think I have enough information to make a decision.
00:15:20.000 Now, this was a long time even before I made the call last Tuesday.
00:15:24.000 Last Tuesday, I texted Assistant Kroiper, who's helping me put this thing together.
00:15:28.000 And I said, look, I still haven't made a decision about whether or not to move forward.
00:15:33.000 Now, we started selling tickets on Monday.
00:15:34.000 This was last Tuesday that I was on the fence about moving forward.
00:15:39.000 I texted a lot of smart people that I knew and I said, What do you think?
00:15:41.000 And some people said no and some people said yes.
00:15:44.000 And frankly, I talked to the people.
00:15:47.000 I was ready to cancel actually last Tuesday.
00:15:49.000 I said, You know what?
00:15:51.000 I don't think it's a good thing.
00:15:52.000 I said, you know, like half of the guys aren't on board and it is kind of like a hot time right now.
00:15:59.000 I said, I think I'm going to pull the plug.
00:16:01.000 And we got all ready to eat lots and lots of money that we put into this.
00:16:05.000 We got all ready to pull the plug on everything and start.
00:16:07.000 I said, but give me until the end of the day.
00:16:10.000 I said, let me think on it.
00:16:11.000 Let me really go over it, really go over all the facts.
00:16:14.000 And then I'll tell you by the end of the day whether we're going to go full speed ahead or whether we're going to pull the plug.
00:16:17.000 It was as recently as Tuesday. 0.96
00:16:19.000 And I didn't even tell the Groyper generals.
00:16:22.000 That I was having these thoughts.
00:16:24.000 I didn't even tell them that this was taking place.
00:16:26.000 But I called and I said, Yeah.
00:16:27.000 And like Tuesday afternoon, I was getting ready to pull the plug.
00:16:31.000 And then I talked to a friend of mine who's very smart and who has a lot of experience in planning events.
00:16:36.000 I mean, this guy, I don't want to dox anything, but biggest events that you can imagine, like tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people.
00:16:44.000 He has planned serious events at the highest level.
00:16:47.000 And, you know, he's got one foot into the dissident sphere, too.
00:16:50.000 So this guy's opinion, I really trust.
00:16:52.000 The thing that I have to say about everybody that gave me their opinion, Is when you evaluate someone's opinion, you got to establish the credibility.
00:16:59.000 You know, I talked to somebody who's like an academic and he said, I don't think it's a good idea.
00:17:03.000 He said, I take that with a grain of salt.
00:17:05.000 I don't plan events.
00:17:06.000 And I said, Well, I do.
00:17:07.000 You know, I think you're a very smart guy, but you don't engage in event planning.
00:17:11.000 And a lot of the people that had doubts don't plan events either.
00:17:14.000 You know, Patrick, which is a guy who had a doubt, he organized AFPAC last year.
00:17:18.000 And there was a big problem that we had last year at AFPAC.
00:17:22.000 Towards the end of the event, people were able to figure out what hotel we were in because the wall.
00:17:28.000 Of the conference room was showing in the live stream.
00:17:31.000 And that wasn't supposed to be the case.
00:17:33.000 There was supposed to be a big banner behind where the speakers were speaking last year at AFPAC that had the America First logo on it, a big backdrop.
00:17:41.000 And Patrick dropped the ball on that.
00:17:43.000 The day of the conference or the day before, he's like, oh, that didn't come in time.
00:17:48.000 We weren't able to get that, whatever.
00:17:50.000 And I'm like, okay.
00:17:51.000 And so we're like, okay, well, we'll just go with it.
00:17:54.000 And so we went with the conference, we live streamed it, and people were able to figure out what hotel it was because the wall of the conference room was exposed.
00:18:01.000 If they see any type of exposing material, they'll figure it out.
00:18:04.000 Yeah.
00:18:04.000 Go ahead.
00:18:04.000 Yeah.
00:18:06.000 So now, you know, this is somebody who, you know, like that event, in other words, that was a big issue.
00:18:13.000 So I don't know that I totally think that he's a credible person on this.
00:18:17.000 Anyway, he's made some.
00:18:18.000 I just let you go ahead, finish your account, and I have some questions because chat's going to kill me if I don't ask some of these specific questions.
00:18:24.000 No, no, no.
00:18:25.000 I'm sure.
00:18:26.000 I was just letting you give your account, though.
00:18:28.000 I want to make it clear we are going to ask those.
00:18:30.000 Just keep talking.
00:18:31.000 I saw some people in chat thinking I wasn't going to ask you.
00:18:33.000 Yes, we will ask all that.
00:18:34.000 Go ahead, finish with your question.
00:18:36.000 Yeah, no, we'll clarify that.
00:18:37.000 I just want to lay out, you know, it's pretty amazing.
00:18:39.000 This guy comes out of the blue with all these wild accusations, and it's like, anyway, so we'll get to that.
00:18:43.000 I will address that.
00:18:44.000 But so I talked to this one guy, and he said, Yeah, and you should go forward with it.
00:18:51.000 This guy that does the big events.
00:18:52.000 And I said, Really?
00:18:54.000 Because what about this?
00:18:55.000 What about all the issues that Patrick and the others said to me?
00:18:59.000 And this guy basically told me back to me everything that I had said to those concerns.
00:19:05.000 You know, and I was saying, Well, To play devil's advocate, we could always have a backup venue.
00:19:09.000 To play devil's advocate, he always has risk of doxing.
00:19:12.000 We could prepare for that, yada, yada.
00:19:14.000 He fed back to me everything that I had said about it.
00:19:17.000 And, you know, when I heard it from him, by the way, unprompted, I was saying, like, well, what about this?
00:19:22.000 What about this?
00:19:23.000 And he told me right back to me what I had said to Patrick and them.
00:19:25.000 And I said, well, you know what?
00:19:26.000 If this guy is saying that and this guy's thinking, in other words, the same way I am, this guy has the same practical mentality about it, I'm like, if he's giving that back to me, if he has the same headspace on it, I said, I'm not crazy here.
00:19:38.000 I'm right.
00:19:39.000 He's right, and I'm right.
00:19:41.000 And, you know, if I had anything in my head, it was people just sowing doubt.
00:19:46.000 It's well, these very intangible, vague sorts of things.
00:19:49.000 Anyway, so we decide to press ahead.
00:19:51.000 We're going forward with the event.
00:19:53.000 And just the other day, Patrick on a stream is saying, if you want to go, it's up to you.
00:19:58.000 You decide.
00:19:59.000 I'm not going to bash Nick's event.
00:20:01.000 I'm not going to blah, And then Beardson comes on and Beardson attacks him and all of this.
00:20:06.000 This was last night.
00:20:07.000 Beardson starts hearing a lot of dirty laundry, saying a lot of nasty stuff and whatever.
00:20:11.000 And Patrick and somebody else come to me and they're like, you know, you need to address this.
00:20:17.000 You need to mediate this.
00:20:18.000 And I said, look, I said, Patrick not going to the conference is questionable to me.
00:20:24.000 The guy calls himself the CEO of the movement.
00:20:26.000 The guy's not going to be at the conference.
00:20:28.000 It's, frankly, it's embarrassing.
00:20:31.000 It sends a bad message.
00:20:32.000 Why isn't he going to the conference?
00:20:33.000 I mean, what does that really say?
00:20:34.000 You know, Beardson raised a good point.
00:20:36.000 If you're telling everybody it's okay for them to go, but there's lots of risks, then, you know, you're putting your own people in harm's way.
00:20:44.000 If it's safe to go, but you're not going, then you're like bitching out.
00:20:47.000 So it's kind of like this catch 22. 0.74
00:20:49.000 And I said, I'm not going to intervene.
00:20:50.000 I said, you can explain to people why you're not going.
00:20:52.000 You're not going because.
00:20:53.000 You're not going to support me, and you have concerns, whatever.
00:20:58.000 I said, but you can explain that to people.
00:21:00.000 And then he comes on stream tonight, and then he's going to go and tell everybody, oh, well, actually, all this crazy stuff is going on.
00:21:07.000 And basically, I think he's just saving his own skin.
00:21:10.000 I think that people were asking a legitimate question why are you not going to the event?
00:21:14.000 How can you call yourself America first by not going to the event?
00:21:17.000 And now he's going to come out tonight with all these crazy accusations.
00:21:20.000 And I think that's to save his own skin.
00:21:22.000 But go ahead, ask me the questions.
00:21:24.000 I know.
00:21:24.000 You already know what they're going to be, basically.
00:21:27.000 Right.
00:21:28.000 So, and again, you know, he made some allegations.
00:21:31.000 First off, he said you were under federal investigation.
00:21:33.000 That was one claim that he made there.
00:21:35.000 I don't know if you want to answer that.
00:21:36.000 Of course, if you were, you probably wouldn't go into great detail about it.
00:21:40.000 But he did make that allegation and said you're putting people at risk basically because you yourself, the leader of the conference, was under federal investigation.
00:21:49.000 Well, here's what I'll say about this because you're right.
00:21:51.000 When it comes to these matters, I have to be tight lipped.
00:21:53.000 And I've said this on my show, too.
00:21:55.000 I've said this on my show for weeks.
00:21:57.000 I can't disclose the full nature of everything that's happening behind the scenes.
00:22:00.000 I will tell you that an NBC article claimed that I was under FBI investigation like four weeks ago.
00:22:07.000 They did all this reporting about the alleged Bitcoin transfer.
00:22:10.000 You remember that after the Capitol siege.
00:22:12.000 And an NBC report claimed in connection to that that I was under FBI investigation.
00:22:19.000 Now, to my knowledge, that's not true.
00:22:21.000 I've not talked to the FBI.
00:22:22.000 I've not been talking to the FBI. 0.99
00:22:25.000 To my knowledge, that could be true.
00:22:27.000 That could not be true.
00:22:29.000 That was something that was reported in NBC four weeks ago.
00:22:33.000 And that's as much as I know about it.
00:22:35.000 And that's been public, you know.
00:22:36.000 But I will tell you, and I don't want to go into too much detail, I've not had any contact with the FBI.
00:22:42.000 The FBI's not talked to me.
00:22:43.000 The FBI's not visited me.
00:22:44.000 They visited people I know, but they haven't talked to me.
00:22:47.000 And to my knowledge, I'm not under investigation other than what the media said.
00:22:52.000 And I talked to somebody who works in intelligence, and I said, you know, what do you, or somebody who used to work in intelligence, I should say, I said, what do you think about this Bitcoin story, these accusations?
00:23:03.000 And he said, well, the media, When they report that, it could be true, it could not be true.
00:23:08.000 He said, you know, assume that you're being watched, assume that you're a person of interest.
00:23:13.000 He said, now being a person of interest really doesn't mean much.
00:23:16.000 I mean, there are a lot of people probably after the Capitol that are a person of interest, but that doesn't mean much.
00:23:22.000 I mean, probably my communications are being monitored.
00:23:25.000 I'm sure my show is being monitored.
00:23:27.000 But to my knowledge, as far as an investigation goes, that's as much as I've heard about it as an NBC report from five weeks ago.
00:23:34.000 All right.
00:23:34.000 And he also made an allegation.
00:23:36.000 I mean, I guess it's kind of in the same vein, but I guess it's a little more specific because.
00:23:40.000 He claimed that your specific bank account had been frozen and it seemed to imply that that was one reason you were going ahead with this to recoup costs or whatever.
00:23:48.000 He actually directly claimed that.
00:23:51.000 So I'll let you answer that.
00:23:54.000 Yeah, I caught that too.
00:23:55.000 He said that I'm broke, so I'm only moving forward with the conference so that I could fill up my coffers or something.
00:24:02.000 And I will say I am not taking a cent from the foundation.
00:24:06.000 And just to tell you about the event, Half Pack is officially an event from our 501c4.
00:24:06.000 Okay.
00:24:13.000 Nonprofit called the America First Foundation.
00:24:16.000 It's totally separate.
00:24:17.000 And, you know, the thing you just got to understand about nonprofits is that you cannot co mingle money.
00:24:22.000 You know, when it comes to nonprofits, there's a lot of scrutiny from the IRS, there's a lot of regulations involved in this.
00:24:27.000 So it's not like this is just a big slush fund.
00:24:30.000 It's not like this is a bank account where I'm like, you know, going to McDonald's and swiping the foundation card. 0.97
00:24:36.000 It doesn't fucking work like that. 0.91
00:24:37.000 And I don't know if Patrick, I don't know if he's ever run a nonprofit or anything. 0.97
00:24:41.000 He's not involved with the nonprofit, but it's not that simple.
00:24:44.000 And I will say, I've not taken a cent.
00:24:46.000 From the foundation.
00:24:47.000 I don't plan on taking a cent from the foundation.
00:24:50.000 You know, we have people on the board.
00:24:53.000 They're all people you know, by the way.
00:24:54.000 I don't want to disclose who they are, but it's streamers, it's people that you know.
00:24:57.000 But that would have to be approved.
00:25:00.000 No salaries have been approved.
00:25:01.000 No compensation has been approved from the foundation.
00:25:04.000 All the money that is raised by AFPAC is going back into the foundation and being reinvested into other projects.
00:25:10.000 And the beauty about a nonprofit is all the finances are disclosed publicly.
00:25:15.000 And I don't know all the particulars.
00:25:17.000 Our accountant handles this, but You know, you have to file an annual report as a nonprofit and they show how that money's dispersed. 0.99
00:25:25.000 So I'm not just talking out of my ass. 0.98
00:25:27.000 It will eventually, I believe, be a matter of public record. 0.98
00:25:29.000 What's more, you know, I don't want to get into my finances too much because, you know, it's just not a good idea.
00:25:35.000 He made a specific claim that your bank account was frozen.
00:25:38.000 Now, again, I can't, obviously, you don't have to go there, but he kind of went.
00:25:42.000 That's kind of a really personal claim that he made.
00:25:44.000 I don't know.
00:25:45.000 But yeah, go ahead.
00:25:46.000 I'll let you say whatever you're comfortable saying.
00:25:49.000 I'll say this much.
00:25:51.000 It's a half truth.
00:25:52.000 I can't explain the full context of it.
00:25:55.000 It's something that I told Patrick in confidence, and it's something that is partially true.
00:26:01.000 And I will leave it for the audience to decide.
00:26:04.000 I just want people to understand what I'm involved in right now.
00:26:06.000 Currently, I am building my own proprietary streaming platform.
00:26:10.000 I am talking to four different lawyers.
00:26:12.000 We are spending tens of thousands of dollars to put on this foundation event.
00:26:16.000 There's lots of things going on.
00:26:18.000 If I didn't have access to capital, and this is just what I'll say, maybe this is an indirect way, but this is how it has to be.
00:26:25.000 If I didn't have access to capital, would any of that be possible?
00:26:28.000 If I didn't have access to capital, none of this would really add up, in other words.
00:26:34.000 So I don't want to get into particulars.
00:26:36.000 What he said is no, it's not technically true.
00:26:39.000 What he said, no, is not technically true.
00:26:41.000 There is partial truth in it.
00:26:44.000 If I were to reveal the full details of it, I can't really do that right now for legal reasons.
00:26:50.000 It would explain what's going on, but he is not really giving the whole account of that.
00:26:54.000 And I'll say what's more.
00:26:55.000 Is I wouldn't tell Patrick about the nature of all my finances.
00:26:59.000 I mean, I wouldn't tell anybody the nature of all my finances.
00:27:02.000 I told him a narrow situation that's happening.
00:27:05.000 And, you know, like several things, you know, for example, he claimed I was on a no fly list.
00:27:10.000 That is a bold fake lie.
00:27:11.000 Yeah, I was going to ask you that.
00:27:12.000 By the way, I don't have any friends that good either that I tell them all about my finances either.
00:27:17.000 Yeah, go ahead.
00:27:18.000 Yeah, right.
00:27:19.000 Like, yeah.
00:27:20.000 And by the way, people think that if I come on here and if I don't go into all the nitty gritty about, are you investigated by the FBI?
00:27:26.000 Is all your money frozen?
00:27:28.000 Like, if I don't go into all the nitty gritty details, oh, I guess, well, you know, guilty as charged, right? 0.94
00:27:33.000 I mean, that's a little ridiculous. 0.68
00:27:35.000 This is sensitive stuff. 0.90
00:27:36.000 People should understand that.
00:27:38.000 What I will say about that, and this is the most obnoxious thing, he says, Oh, and Nick is on a no fly list.
00:27:44.000 That is just a bald faced lie.
00:27:45.000 That's not true.
00:27:46.000 What I said on my show, what I said on my show several times over the past couple of weeks, is that the Department of Homeland Security revoked my TSA pre check status.
00:27:57.000 Pre check is when it's a special program, you pay $100, and you don't have to take your shoes off when you go through security at the airport.
00:28:06.000 It's like this advanced screening thing where they do a background check on you.
00:28:10.000 They make sure you're not like in Al Qaeda.
00:28:12.000 And then if you're not a terrorist, they say, okay, you don't have to take your laptop out of your bag.
00:28:16.000 You don't have to take your shoes off.
00:28:18.000 You don't have to take your toiletries out when you go through security.
00:28:21.000 And so I got sent a letter that said I was pulled off of that.
00:28:24.000 But that's the extent of it.
00:28:25.000 And by the way, I said that on my show.
00:28:27.000 He comes on here and he says, well, I just have to reveal all this information because everybody needs to know.
00:28:33.000 Almost everything that I've said, I've said on my show before.
00:28:37.000 I have hinted and alluded to all of this on my show before.
00:28:40.000 The so called FBI investigation was a matter of public record for five weeks.
00:28:44.000 NBC was reporting on it.
00:28:45.000 It's all out there if anybody has any information, but that's all the information that's out there about it that even I know about.
00:28:51.000 The TSA pre check thing, I myself have said on my show.
00:28:54.000 And I have strongly alluded to the fact on my show that I'm being watched, that I'm probably a person of interest, that the establishment is interested in me, which is pretty obvious after the Capitol riots, which is pretty obvious with everything that's going on between Ricky Vaughn and Baked Alaska and everything else.
00:29:12.000 It's pretty obvious.
00:29:14.000 You know, the bigger here to me, the bigger point is this it's about, you know, what am I telling people exactly what they're getting into by going to AFPAC?
00:29:24.000 And the answer is yes.
00:29:25.000 You know, I have said for the past three days on my show, everybody knows what's going on right now.
00:29:30.000 If you don't feel comfortable, don't go.
00:29:33.000 If you don't think it's a good idea, then don't buy a ticket and don't come.
00:29:37.000 And I said that for the past three days.
00:29:39.000 I said, here's what we're doing to mitigate it.
00:29:42.000 If I didn't think it was smart and safe to go forward with it, I wouldn't go forward with it.
00:29:45.000 This is what we're doing.
00:29:46.000 But if you don't feel comfortable, don't go.
00:29:48.000 And his charge is that I'm obscuring things, I'm hiding things, you know, that I'm not fully disclosing what's going on.
00:29:55.000 Now, for legal reasons, I cannot disclose every single detail of what's happening.
00:29:59.000 I can try to be as truthful as I can.
00:30:01.000 I'm giving you a general idea of what's going on, and people can decide for themselves.
00:30:05.000 But ultimately, and this is the worst part, and I think this is the biggest deal, is when I tell somebody something in confidence at a time like this, in a movement like this, it is.
00:30:18.000 An unforgivable transgression that you breach that confidence because that is all that we have in this movement is trust. 0.96
00:30:26.000 I do have the fucking FBI looking at me, I'm sure. 0.97
00:30:29.000 I do have the federal government looking over me. 0.99
00:30:31.000 I have to look over my shoulder everywhere I go because of what's been going on.
00:30:36.000 And the fact that I tell Patrick some things in confidence about my security or my legal situation or whatever, and he is going to use that, you know, broadcast that all over the internet, all over the airwaves.
00:30:50.000 Basically, to excuse himself for not going to the conference, this to me is unforgivable.
00:30:56.000 And in some ways, it's not even about the conference itself.
00:30:59.000 If you think it's not a good idea, then fine, don't go.
00:31:04.000 If you think that there's more to the story, then fine, don't go.
00:31:06.000 But nobody can defend being told something in confidence, especially at a time like this, with the nature and the sensitivity of the things that he revealed, and then go and tell that to the entire internet.
00:31:20.000 And when I said I was surprised, it was because I thought that Patrick understood that because Patrick was in AIM.
00:31:28.000 And Patrick was in Identity Europa.
00:31:30.000 And you know what?
00:31:31.000 I didn't think that Identity Europa was a great idea.
00:31:34.000 I didn't think that AIM was a great idea.
00:31:36.000 Now, did I go on my show and say, I have to tell everyone, you know, Patrick told me this and I went to this event about.
00:31:45.000 I told them privately, I think it's time to disband it.
00:31:48.000 And I kept it private.
00:31:49.000 And you know what?
00:31:51.000 And even though Patrick has betrayed me, and what's more, he didn't bring any of these concerns up to me up front. 0.97
00:31:57.000 You know, pick up the fucking phone, text me on signal, say, look, you know, he acts like he pleaded with me. 0.93
00:32:03.000 He told me the concerns were venue cancellation and doxing. 0.99
00:32:07.000 I heard nothing, nothing about.
00:32:10.000 Anything related to AFPAC that we should be concerned because of, you know, being on a no fly list or my funds being frozen, right?
00:32:17.000 He never raised that to me once, you know.
00:32:20.000 So if you really, this white knight, if you're really so concerned, pick up the phone and call me and say, look, I think you're being reckless.
00:32:26.000 You're making a big mistake because of these things that are going on.
00:32:29.000 But he didn't do that.
00:32:31.000 Beardson called him out.
00:32:32.000 Beardson called him out for a lot of things.
00:32:34.000 And he hinted at other things, which he didn't reveal.
00:32:37.000 And there are things that even Beardson is not at liberty to reveal.
00:32:41.000 And I'm not, you know, that's not a veiled threat or anything.
00:32:44.000 But Beardson was attacking Patrick, and without a warning, you know, the last thing I said to Patrick was, Have a good stream, you know, because I told him, I said, Look, I told Beardson to stop attacking you, but, you know, what's he saying now?
00:32:58.000 Okay, well, have a good stream.
00:33:00.000 And then he came to me after the stream last night, him and somebody else, and they said, You got to squash this beef.
00:33:05.000 It's not a good look.
00:33:06.000 It can't go on much longer.
00:33:08.000 And I said, Look, I actually don't really feel obligated to go out on a limb to defend you because you're not going to my conference to support me.
00:33:15.000 I'm going to this conference with two other people, Vince and Jaden, and four Groyper generals aren't going.
00:33:21.000 I said, You can all explain to the audience why you're not going. 0.93
00:33:25.000 I mean, that's your choice.
00:33:27.000 And I guess Patrick went on and he told everybody, Well, I think it's a terrible idea, and taking a lot of things and stretching them, revealing confidential things.
00:33:36.000 That kind of breach of trust to me is unforgivable because now I have to go back and think what's everything I've ever told to Patrick?
00:33:44.000 And everybody does.
00:33:45.000 Everybody who has ever talked to Patrick Casey.
00:33:48.000 Everybody who's ever texted Patrick Casey, everybody who's ever had an email correspondence with Patrick Casey, everybody who is in AIM, everybody who is in Identity Europa, they now have to ask themselves, what did I tell Patrick Casey that could come back to bite me?
00:34:04.000 Because Patrick has shown that he is untrustworthy.
00:34:06.000 He chose that you could tell him something sensitive in confidence with a lot of gravity, with grave magnitude, and he will betray that confidence to save his own skin or for any reason.
00:34:18.000 And now I have to go back, even coming on tonight.
00:34:21.000 I almost didn't come on tonight because I'm thinking to myself, gee, what have I told Patrick over the years?
00:34:26.000 If I come back and refute these allegations, if I come on the stream, is Patrick going to leak something?
00:34:31.000 Is Patrick going to reveal a text message, a DM?
00:34:35.000 You know, and that we already are in a perilous position enough that we're being surveilled, that the left is monitoring us.
00:34:43.000 You know, I don't need to explain in detail what we're up against here, especially in the past month.
00:34:48.000 And now we can't even trust each other.
00:34:50.000 Now we can't even be gentlemen and talk over secure channels about serious matters like this.
00:34:55.000 We're going to be spilling our dirty laundry over the airwaves.
00:34:58.000 And I'll say, this is the first time that I'm addressing this.
00:35:02.000 When people ask me, why is Patrick not going?
00:35:04.000 I said, well, you'll have to ask him.
00:35:05.000 I don't think it's a good look, but we should be worried about who's going to the conference, not who's not going to the conference.
00:35:11.000 And now people have taken it upon themselves to.
00:35:13.000 Why do you think he did this, though?
00:35:15.000 Was it just about not going to the conference?
00:35:17.000 Because, you know, I'm sitting here.
00:35:18.000 I don't know all the backstage stuff, but I can see that there appears to be a little bit of a harder edge to some of the stuff he's saying about you.
00:35:25.000 And I don't know if there's something building up, maybe, or I don't know.
00:35:28.000 It just seemed a little bit.
00:35:31.000 Disproportionate, I guess.
00:35:32.000 I knew that there was something going on with him and Beardson, and he was kind of drifting.
00:35:36.000 But, you know, this happened right before I went on air, and I was like, oh my God, what is he saying? 0.99
00:35:40.000 Basically, oh, you know, holy shit. 0.98
00:35:43.000 Like, I didn't expect this. 0.99
00:35:44.000 I don't know.
00:35:45.000 It just seemed to have a little vitriol in it, if that makes sense.
00:35:51.000 Well, I'll say this much there is a lot of antipathy towards Patrick in the movement.
00:35:57.000 And I don't want to name any names, but maybe people speak for themselves in the coming days.
00:36:03.000 Maybe Patrick, it's clear Patrick doesn't know the full extent of it.
00:36:06.000 He seems to be a little bit obtuse in this regard.
00:36:08.000 But there is a lot of antipathy towards Patrick in these circles.
00:36:12.000 And, you know, I'm just being frank with you.
00:36:14.000 It's got nothing to do with everything that I just said.
00:36:17.000 You know, I was saying this to people last night.
00:36:20.000 This is just my sober judgment. 0.90
00:36:22.000 Patrick is aloof and pompous and antisocial.
00:36:27.000 And for whatever reason, he just doesn't have an ability to connect with people.
00:36:31.000 And I could tell you that I have, everybody has an individual story.
00:36:35.000 A series of gripes against Patrick.
00:36:37.000 And so, Beardson, you know, there's been antipathy that Beardson has had for Patrick for a long time.
00:36:43.000 And same with others.
00:36:45.000 And that's ironic.
00:36:46.000 I have always been the one that defends him in private.
00:36:49.000 You know, in private, I would say, look, Patrick's not my favorite person in the world.
00:36:54.000 I said, but Patrick has a lot of good qualities.
00:36:56.000 I would say, you know, look, Patrick is competent.
00:36:59.000 He's professional.
00:37:00.000 He's mature.
00:37:01.000 He's somebody, it's funny that I'm saying this and that I have said this.
00:37:04.000 I said, he's someone that I feel like I could rely on, that I could trust.
00:37:08.000 He seems like a solid guy.
00:37:09.000 I said, the things that people don't like about him are that, well, he's not very personable.
00:37:15.000 He's not the most warm, friendly guy in the world.
00:37:18.000 He is a little bit cold.
00:37:19.000 Maybe he takes himself too seriously.
00:37:20.000 I said, but I'm not going to cut him out from this thing.
00:37:24.000 I'm not going to totally push him away because he's a little bit standoffish.
00:37:27.000 I said, all things considered, I think he's basically an asset.
00:37:30.000 I mean, this is what I would, and I'm just telling it to you straight up.
00:37:33.000 I have no reason to say this because obviously I look very foolish now that I have said all this in the past and now this is what happens.
00:37:40.000 But people should talk Patrick to me all day long. 0.76
00:37:42.000 I yell at people.
00:37:43.000 Maybe you could guess who, but I yell at people.
00:37:45.000 I say, Look, I don't want to hear any more complaints about Patrick.
00:37:48.000 It's annoying.
00:37:49.000 Whenever they come to me, I would say, Look, I get it.
00:37:51.000 I understand.
00:37:52.000 He's a little bit antisocial, but there's a lot of good qualities there.
00:37:55.000 And so there's been antipathy towards him for a long time.
00:37:58.000 I'm surprised that he would turn and direct it all towards me.
00:38:02.000 That was the shock to me because I feel like whatever my personal feelings about a person, I try to act very fair.
00:38:09.000 I have my own personal opinions about a lot of people, about their flaws, about.
00:38:14.000 Things I don't care for about them, you know, whatever.
00:38:17.000 But I try to be fair to people.
00:38:19.000 I try to be loyal to people.
00:38:20.000 Everyone knows that about me.
00:38:21.000 You know, take a look at somebody like Baked Alaska.
00:38:24.000 Baked Alaska's been through a lot, and it's sometimes not easy to be his friend, but I've always stood by him and many others.
00:38:30.000 And I try to do that for people.
00:38:31.000 If people don't wrong me, I tend not to do that to them.
00:38:33.000 But Patrick then going out and airing all this in public, and particularly some of the nasty things saying, impugning my intentions.
00:38:41.000 I mean, to me, that's the worst thing.
00:38:42.000 I mean, it would be one thing if he came out and he said, look, there's things you don't know.
00:38:46.000 Even if they weren't true, but then he's going to say, Nick just wants to make a quick buck off of this.
00:38:50.000 Nick is in trouble, and now you're bailing him out.
00:38:52.000 I mean, that's just not true.
00:38:53.000 And he knows that's not true.
00:38:55.000 I told him on the call I'd be perfectly willing to pull the plug on all this.
00:38:58.000 Anyway, so.
00:39:00.000 A couple of quick questions, and I know you pretty much said it all.
00:39:02.000 I don't want to keep you all night, but a couple of quick questions.
00:39:05.000 First off, just on that note, and then I have one more question, kind of a Larry King style question at the end.
00:39:11.000 But do you think it was because he just expected you to defend him more forcefully, or like. 0.98
00:39:17.000 Stop Beardson, or, you know, or just like make people stop fucking with it. 0.97
00:39:21.000 Do you think that's what it was? 0.97
00:39:22.000 And it was like, well, this guy didn't defend me, and now, you know, he wasn't who I thought he was, or something.
00:39:27.000 I don't know.
00:39:28.000 It seemed like that, like a jilted friendship, or something.
00:39:30.000 I know I'm getting Dr. Phillips here, so, but I don't know.
00:39:30.000 I don't know.
00:39:34.000 I wouldn't have expected this type of thing, honestly, from the outside looking in.
00:39:38.000 I wouldn't have expected this type of blow up either.
00:39:40.000 So I'm kind of just digesting it as well.
00:39:44.000 It was a shock to me, too, honestly.
00:39:46.000 Patrick's the last person I would expect to do something like this, given his background.
00:39:50.000 But, you know, when Beardson first attacked Patrick a couple of days ago, I think it was on Monday, I texted Beardson and I told him, you know, like, stop.
00:40:02.000 In the middle of the stream, in the middle of a stream, I said, could you stop?
00:40:05.000 And Beardson didn't check his DMs until afterwards.
00:40:07.000 He said, Oh, I'm sorry.
00:40:08.000 And I said, Yeah, could you just drop it?
00:40:10.000 And I told Patrick that.
00:40:11.000 I said, I told Beardson to stop.
00:40:13.000 And Beardson the next day apologized.
00:40:15.000 The day after that, Beardson totally went off.
00:40:18.000 Beardson is Beardson.
00:40:19.000 He does what he does.
00:40:20.000 But I intervened.
00:40:21.000 And Beardson, I think, brought up some good points.
00:40:24.000 Frankly, when a lot of people, when Patrick and a few others decided not to go to the conference, I thought it was pretty disloyal because there's a certain element, too, of a lot of people really bandwagoned onto America first when times were good.
00:40:39.000 You know, like Patrick wasn't even supposed to speak at AFPAC last year.
00:40:43.000 He was supposed to be the MC.
00:40:44.000 And then he kind of just weaseled his way into speaking there.
00:40:47.000 You know, and so Patrick, when times were good, he wanted to be a speaker at AFPAC, even though he was anti American nationalism.
00:40:54.000 He didn't even like me for a long time.
00:40:55.000 But Patrick totally bandwagoned onto my show, onto my following, my movement, my whole deal.
00:41:02.000 And I welcomed him into the fold, in spite of the fact that he was basically a liability.
00:41:07.000 I mean, this is a guy who was in Identity Europa.
00:41:09.000 He's like the, as far as connection to the alt right goes, He is the closest connection that America first ever had to the alt right, the most intimate, the most direct.
00:41:19.000 And even though he was basically a liability, we welcomed him in. 0.57
00:41:23.000 And I don't know if you remember in the Groyper War, but when Charlie Kirk at the North Carolina event brought up identify Yafrapa, that was the only defeat that the Groypers ever had. 1.00
00:41:32.000 And it was basically because of that baggage, you know? 1.00
00:41:35.000 And in spite of that, we welcomed him into the fray and all of this.
00:41:38.000 And things were good.
00:41:39.000 And he made lots of money in the past year.
00:41:41.000 He has made lots of money, you know, basically sidling up next to me and bandwagoning off of this thing.
00:41:48.000 And now, when things are difficult, and now, you know, when I'm asking people to go to this conference, I'm talking specifically about the leaders.
00:41:54.000 If people want to make their own choice, that's their prerogative.
00:41:57.000 But we're talking about APAC leaders not going to this thing.
00:42:00.000 I did take it as a sign of disloyalty that a few of them wouldn't go, especially Patrick.
00:42:04.000 I didn't think he had a good reason not to go.
00:42:06.000 And so I told him after last night, I said, look, you know, you decided not to go.
00:42:11.000 You can defend yourself.
00:42:13.000 You know, for whatever reason, Beardson's got a problem with you.
00:42:16.000 I told them to stop once.
00:42:19.000 But I think it is a good question.
00:42:21.000 Why aren't you going?
00:42:22.000 Why aren't people going?
00:42:23.000 Because I don't think there is a good reason.
00:42:25.000 And I think that after Beardson's stream last night, Patrick wanted to save his own skin.
00:42:30.000 He wanted to save and preserve his reputation.
00:42:33.000 And he is going to make it seem far worse.
00:42:35.000 And that's ultimately what it is make it seem far worse than it is so that he is justified in sitting this one out.
00:42:41.000 And he comes across as the guy that's sort of falling on his own sword.
00:42:44.000 He's this great martyr.
00:42:46.000 Even if I'm on the outs with America first, I warned everybody that I'm not going.
00:42:51.000 And he's lying about some things.
00:42:53.000 Exaggerating other things or half truths or whatever, and he's making it appear worse than it is, implying bad intentions so that his decision is justified in people's eyes.
00:43:04.000 And a lot of people are going to walk away from this and say, Oh, you know, this Nick's a terrible guy and whatever, and blah, blah, blah.
00:43:11.000 The chips will fall where they may.
00:43:13.000 We didn't need this right now.
00:43:14.000 We really didn't need this in the movement right now.
00:43:16.000 What Patrick has done is going to hurt himself.
00:43:19.000 It's going to hurt me.
00:43:21.000 It's going to hurt America first.
00:43:22.000 It makes us all look bad.
00:43:23.000 It drags all of us down.
00:43:25.000 We certainly don't need this with everything else that's going on.
00:43:27.000 But we'll all live.
00:43:28.000 And you know what?
00:43:29.000 I famously have made bets on this show before.
00:43:32.000 Let's just see where all of us are.
00:43:34.000 Right?
00:43:35.000 Because we, right?
00:43:36.000 I mean, think of it.
00:43:37.000 We did James Allstuff, and we did even you and I, and we did many people Spencer and Ronnie Cameron.
00:43:45.000 We've had many feuds.
00:43:47.000 And look, I'm confident enough to say if you can agree with me right now, maybe you're loyal to me, maybe you're not.
00:43:52.000 But let's all just see where the chips fall.
00:43:54.000 Let's see who is where in a year, and we'll see what happens.
00:43:58.000 But I'll say this.
00:43:59.000 I never forget these things.
00:44:01.000 I don't forget what Patrick did.
00:44:03.000 Nobody else should either.
00:44:04.000 And I'm not going to forget everybody else that.
00:44:06.000 So, you know, look, you're either with me or you're with him.
00:44:09.000 And it's as simple as that.
00:44:10.000 And everyone will just enjoy their decisions.
00:44:13.000 AFPAC is going to move forward.
00:44:15.000 I think people are going to be blown away.
00:44:16.000 People are going to be really impressed with what happens.
00:44:19.000 And that will happen in two weeks.
00:44:21.000 And we'll see where we are in a year.
00:44:23.000 And I think I will be vindicated like I always am.
00:44:26.000 All right.
00:44:27.000 Now, let me ask you this final question.
00:44:29.000 I think we pretty much covered it all.
00:44:31.000 But what have you learned?
00:44:33.000 From this?
00:44:33.000 What have you learned going forward from this experience with Patrick Casey?
00:44:37.000 And again, once again, we did invite Patrick on this evening.
00:44:40.000 He didn't come, you know, maybe in the future.
00:44:42.000 I don't know.
00:44:42.000 Of course, that would have been the ultimate, but he didn't show.
00:44:45.000 But anyway, what have you learned from all this, Nick?
00:44:49.000 Well, it's not my first rodeo having, you know, a knife in my back like this.
00:44:52.000 This has happened to me several times.
00:44:56.000 So, so I'm, I'm, obviously, I learned not to trust past Patrick Casey.
00:45:00.000 And I just got to be more, um, Careful about who I talk to and who I trust about these things.
00:45:06.000 I think I am careful enough.
00:45:07.000 You think you could trust a guy, you talk to somebody, and then they're going to twist it and turn it and blow it out of proportion and basically just make up falsehoods.
00:45:16.000 So that's what Patrick did.
00:45:18.000 And it's pretty sad because at the end of the day, what's funny is none of this thing would exist without me.
00:45:27.000 And I'm not going to say that I invented the words America first or anything, but let's be real.
00:45:31.000 If I didn't come along, Patrick Casey would still be wearing that.
00:45:34.000 Retarded helmet, right?
00:45:35.000 I mean, looks like a guy with, like, you know, James Olsen who has Down syndrome or something. 0.80
00:45:40.000 Patrick Casey wearing that helmet, I can't say it because we're on Trovo, but wearing that helmet at Charlottesville, I mean, they would still be doing the same old song and dance.
00:45:48.000 I mean, where would Patrick Casey be without America first?
00:45:51.000 Where would this dissonant right movement be without America first?
00:45:54.000 So before everybody's so quick to hurl accusations or, you know, take accusations as the gospel truth, I would just ask who got us.
00:46:04.000 To the point of Groyper War, who got us to the point of Stop the Steal?
00:46:08.000 And now things go bad, and now everybody wants to turn their back. 0.76
00:46:11.000 You know, in a lot of ways, this is a good thing because I don't need any sunshine patriots.
00:46:17.000 I don't need any sunshine allies.
00:46:19.000 I don't need people that are going to be by my side only when things are good, only when there's money to be made, and only when things are going terrific, and only when things aren't difficult, and when there's nothing that people have on the line or to sacrifice.
00:46:32.000 Spare me the people that are only going to be here on sunny days like Patrick was, because Patrick had no problem being in on the take for the past year.
00:46:40.000 I'm sure he'd made more than six figures last year doing super chats on D Live.
00:46:45.000 Now, why do you think he winded up on D Live?
00:46:47.000 That's because America First was on D Live.
00:46:49.000 And where do you think his audience came from?
00:46:51.000 It largely came from America First.
00:46:53.000 You know, his appearance in the Groyper War, that was probably his biggest claim to fame.
00:46:57.000 What was he before that?
00:46:58.000 He was on Red Ice, he was in Identity Europa.
00:47:01.000 So it's really interesting.
00:47:02.000 You know, he bites the hand that feeds him.
00:47:04.000 And what's more, he bandwagons.
00:47:06.000 The minute it gets inconvenient, the minute that he sees a short term advantage, he's going to bail.
00:47:10.000 That's okay.
00:47:11.000 It's not the first time that he's bailed on me.
00:47:13.000 He's done it once before, too. 1.00
00:47:15.000 He burned, you know, three, four years ago, he sent me this email, this real asshole email. 0.99
00:47:21.000 He sent me something like, you know, he was like, you know, I don't know if you're just a kid, but you need to learn to respect people that have been in this movement and all this totally gay stuff. 0.99
00:47:32.000 And then a year later, he's sucking me off on Groyper War. 0.93
00:47:34.000 So, you know, if anybody has anything to learn about Burn Bridges, I think it's going to be that little guy.
00:47:40.000 So you can have him.
00:47:42.000 I'm done with him.
00:47:43.000 You know, Patrick Casey is done riding the Hotels of America first.
00:47:46.000 He's done.
00:47:47.000 And we'll just see what happens.
00:47:49.000 Let's let everybody enjoy their decisions.
00:47:51.000 We'll let the chips fall where they may.
00:47:52.000 Certainly, there's no love lost.
00:47:54.000 I think people will find out very quickly who really needed who in this relationship.
00:47:58.000 Mr. Nick Fuentes, AmericaFirst.live.
00:48:01.000 Thank you, sir.
00:48:02.000 AFPAC 2 coming in about two weeks from tomorrow, correct?
00:48:05.000 I believe that's today, right?
00:48:09.000 Yeah, yeah, it's two weeks.
00:48:10.000 It's on February 26th on Friday.
00:48:13.000 It's sold out.
00:48:15.000 I anticipate maybe some people cancel their reservations.
00:48:18.000 That's fine.
00:48:19.000 But there's lots of interest in the speakers.
00:48:22.000 It's going to be amazing, I think, when people see we have a special keynote speaker.
00:48:27.000 And, you know, it's.
00:48:28.000 In times of like darkness right now, to me, that is just going to be such a big thing.
00:48:34.000 And honestly, you know, running a conference like this, there are risks.
00:48:37.000 Maybe the venue will get canceled.
00:48:40.000 Maybe there'll be problems.
00:48:41.000 I'm not going to say the conference is going to go perfectly 100%.
00:48:44.000 I said on my show, there are legitimate reasons for some people to not want to go, and there are risks.
00:48:49.000 And I've always said that.
00:48:51.000 And if people want to come, they can come.
00:48:52.000 They can have a great time.
00:48:54.000 It's going to be a truly great event, truly great, impressive speakers, legitimizing the AF movement.
00:49:00.000 And I'm going to just feel sorry for people that aren't involved.
00:49:03.000 It's going to be a sad thing.
00:49:05.000 Thank you so much, sir.
00:49:06.000 I appreciate you taking the time and doing it here on the Killstream, man.
00:49:09.000 And I hope to have you back sometime soon.
00:49:09.000 And good luck.
00:49:12.000 Yeah, man.
00:49:13.000 Thanks for having me. 0.78
00:49:13.000 The legendary Killstreams. 0.78
00:49:15.000 That's where we have all this.
00:49:17.000 All right.
00:49:18.000 We're both still here, buddy.
00:49:19.000 Have a good one.
00:49:20.000 All right.
00:49:21.000 You too, buddy.
00:49:22.000 Talk to you later.
00:49:23.000 Later on.
00:49:23.000 All right.
00:49:23.000 Bye bye.
00:49:24.000 Oh, man.
00:49:25.000 Now, this was one for the Killstream record books, ladies and gentlemen.
00:49:29.000 I think this would be one of those instant classics, as we call them Gator.
00:49:33.000 I already clicked.
00:49:34.000 The button there on the website.
00:49:36.000 Oh, dude, we already got DDoS there in the middle of the stream like old days.
00:49:40.000 I was so pissed when that happened.
00:49:41.000 I was like, oh my God, they hit me.
00:49:43.000 I knew immediately it was a DDoS because they literally.
00:49:45.000 Oh, I knew too.
00:49:46.000 That's what I sold.
00:49:48.000 I was joking with Quinn says off air.
00:49:49.000 I was like, ah, see, they got him.
00:49:51.000 I knew the