00:06:29.000I am your host, Ethan Ralph, the owner and the editor in chief of theRalphRetour.com.
00:06:33.000I guess I can take the image off the screen back on camera once again with Destiny in studio here at Casa Day Masterson for the fifth show, I believe, this week, with another show tomorrow.
00:07:05.000I'm sure he talked about other things too.
00:07:09.000It was exhausting listening to him talk about race relations and not nod at all because I would rather be dead than somebody catch me going, oh, yeah, totally.
00:09:44.000But yes, I went out to see her today and she was wired as she always is.
00:09:52.000Did you consider just walking into the ocean at any point while she's talking to you?
00:09:56.000The thing about Corinne, and she was nice.
00:09:58.000We got along nicely in person, actually.
00:10:01.000But there's never a lull in the conversation.
00:10:05.000I mean, we try not to have lulls here on air, but that's because it's an entertainment program.
00:10:10.000In real life, sometimes, usually people stop talking for a minute.
00:10:14.000Karen doesn't want to drink your like Coke or whatever and don't want to like, yeah, or just let me think about what you said for a fucking minute.
00:11:33.000I mean, I'm sure most of these, maybe not most, but, you know, a certain number are escorting, I'm sure, but like blatantly escorting and getting caught out on it.
00:11:41.000I think that's what that was because they're definitely not getting rid of nudity.
00:11:45.000And I guess people that were doing like parody things, like people that were taking pictures of fans and being like, hey, guys, it's my OnlyFans.
00:13:34.000That's what all those Second Amendment guys might have forgot, but that was part of the big reasons why they defended that Second Amendment stuff was to fight against the tyranny of the government.
00:13:48.000That's pretty much the whole state there.
00:13:50.000I think most people actually kind of agreed with the protest at first because, like, not people are rightly suspicious of the way that cops have become militarized.
00:14:00.000But then once the political chicanery started and then they started, you know, going into businesses and Burning down shops and things like it completely polarized, and there was a partisan divide.
00:14:12.000I mean, I'd say there was a partisan divide before, even for just the protests.
00:14:15.000There's always going to be a partisan divide when you're looking at things like cops.
00:16:24.000But I was, she was in a recording studio in Malibu, and we talked to the guy he was with, some like old beach cruiser guy, telling him, talking about his chances of getting laid that night.
00:16:36.000He took us aside and goes, I think the chances are pretty good.
00:16:38.000I'm going to give you back to her now.
00:18:15.000There was a Vice article that said there were a bunch of guys in Hawaiian shirts going around trying to encourage more destruction, I guess, during the riots or something like that.
00:18:24.000Yeah, they're like Second Amendment LARPers, like doomsday preppers, but they're waiting to take over the government.
00:19:11.000I'm glad that you mentioned Neil Druckmann, though, because The Last of Us 2, I don't know if you can call it a controversy or what, Have you seen any of that?
00:22:45.000I don't got to navigate the fucking needle of knowing how to respond to these issues.
00:22:50.000But is it really the way to promote, you know, transgender acceptance to have them beat the brains out of one of the most beloved characters in video game history right at the beginning of the game?
00:31:06.000The lore is that the character Abby is based on a female bodybuilder.
00:31:11.000That Neil Druckmann follows on Instagram, and that he was the one that did the motion capture for the guy that has sex with the character Abby at some point in the game.
00:33:29.000Yeah, he would be very interested in having a debate with you about Zionist and Israeli influence on American foreign policy.
00:33:39.000You know, I actually just got out of debating communists and socialists because I don't want to talk about irrelevant, fringe, stupid shit anymore.
00:33:47.000So I'm going to have to give a hard pass on the Zionism, Jewish conspiracy shit.
00:40:22.000So, when I first heard about this, my, my first instinct, cause I actually, so one thing that a lot of people don't understand is noncompliance is always going to be hard.
00:42:12.000This is a manslaughter type situation.
00:42:14.000The thing is that these are standard policies that other states do.
00:42:16.000So, for instance, if somebody is fleeing the cops and they're speeding, unless you've got them for illegal possession or whatever, they should just let them go because it's not worth it.
00:44:13.000Of course, I'm a big wrestling fan, grew up watching wrestling, but I'm about six to seven months behind on everything concerning wrestling.
00:44:22.000I still kind of keep an eye on it, but no, I haven't seen that actually.
00:44:26.000Yeah, that and Jim Cornette's a cuck apparently.
00:44:28.000Oh, I saw people saying that in the chat last night.
00:44:30.000I'm actually going to have to look into that because I haven't.
00:44:33.000I don't know the whole story on Jim Cornette being a cuck.
00:46:26.000I think she makes more sense for the syrup actually than the $20 bill now that I think of it.
00:46:31.000I kind of wonder sometimes I get I try not to do the because I know you guys, all you crazy fucking anti SJWs do the slippery slope shit, but I but now like I think they got rid of like master slave terminology in Python a couple years ago, they got rid of master branches and GitHub.
00:46:45.000I think we're trying to do it with blacklist and whitelist.
00:46:47.000Like at what point do we get rid of the Lucky Charms mascot soon?
00:47:07.000Can I, for one second, how absolutely fucking bullshit it is that these fucking kids got like six months to play fucking computer games in a row?
00:47:16.000I would have been fully pro in Starcraft instead of semi if I had this much fucking time to train as a kid.
00:47:21.000Unfucking believable how lucky these motherfuckers are.
00:47:38.000School time is also very fucking slow.
00:47:41.000Everybody remembers the last 15 minutes of fucking math or history where you're watching that fucking clock and you're on like a mushroom trip.
00:47:47.000It's like 30 minutes go by and you look at the clock and it's only one minute.
00:47:49.000You think you're losing your fucking mind?
00:52:42.000I was just kind of wondering if there are any firearms regulations you would be willing to repeal, considering you've had at least some degree of Second Amendment support in the past.
00:52:53.000Like, would you be willing to get rid of the short barrel rifle and any other weapons categorizations under the NFA?
00:53:01.000And so I would have to look into it more, but my personal feeling is that most things involving rifles are done just to make people feel better.
00:53:13.000The vast, like 90% of homicides or something in society are caused by handguns.
00:53:17.000So the idea of all the weird restrictions we have around short barrel rifles, Jesus Christ, in California for the AR 15s, you got to do weird shit with the handles to it's horrible.
00:53:27.000The button, the recessed button that you need a tool for.
00:59:22.000Okay, so Chinese people, they dominate university enrollment and black people dominate crime stats because what?
00:59:29.000Man, if you don't know the difference in the history of Chinese people in the United States versus black people, I don't know what to say, man.
00:59:34.000I don't think we have enough time on the show to cover that much ground.
00:59:37.000Other countries, other countries, other white countries, Europe, Canada.
00:59:40.000Oh, you mean where the histories are all the same?
00:59:43.000Which African country has the same history as China again?
00:59:48.000So these people, people born and raised, Chinese people in Africa born and raised in, say, Canada or France or Britain, they tend to have different outcomes.
01:00:25.000Africans and Chinese people who come to white countries, they have different outcomes because white people treat them differently?
01:00:31.000Well, I mean, first of all, Africans that come to the United States have generally fairly positive outcomes.
01:00:36.000I'm pretty sure Nigerians hold the most postgraduate degrees of any group of people in the United States.
01:00:41.000Chinese people that come to the United States are probably pretty wealthy when they come here.
01:00:45.000Like, somebody that comes to the United States from China because their parents want them to study in the best university in the world is probably going to be selected from a higher echelon of society than random people that were the descendants of slaves in the United States or came over from other means.
01:01:14.000So, say in Canada, which doesn't have a history of slavery, we have a history of actually welcoming Africans, changing our society to suit them.
01:01:22.000They come to Canada and they form ghettos and shoot people at a much higher rate than Chinese people because.
01:01:53.000Well, we have a realistic conversation about race and all this because our society is predicated on the notion that Africans and Chinese people are the same and we need to discuss this.
01:02:07.000So, what do you think we should do about it?
01:02:30.000If you're afraid of the outcome of that, I'm not afraid of the outcome at all.
01:02:33.000I just find it strange that white people of superior genetic stock spend all of their time with no accomplishments on the internet arguing with other losers on the internet about whose genes are better.
01:03:13.000So, nobody get mad at me if he doesn't call in.
01:03:15.000I just want to say, what kind of emails did you send him?
01:03:19.000I actually did send him a DM earlier because, but it wasn't even for tonight because I guess Destiny and him had had some talking back and forth going on.
01:03:29.000Um, and apparently he had said he was willing to debate Destiny again.
01:03:33.000And so I didn't hear it though because you know I was working on my own shit.
01:03:37.000Um, but people kept because Corinne was yapping.
01:03:39.000Yeah, and enough people finally told me about it though that I figured, all right, I'll send him a message.
01:04:19.000Feet and they're jerking off when they get home.
01:04:21.000It's like fantasy camp for them, but they're, you know, like, what do you.
01:04:26.000I understand that, yeah, there's a lot of big problems in white society and there's a lot of brainwashed losers watching African speech and all that.
01:04:32.000I understand all that, but, you know, we have.
01:05:06.000I forgot Destiny's main response to this is that I'm some old guy.
01:05:11.000No, so I asked you a specific question.
01:05:13.000I'll give you a good answer since you have none, because you guys never think about this, right?
01:05:16.000So somebody asks you, well, what would you do differently, right?
01:05:19.000Maybe an answer could be, well, I think that black people and Chinese people and white people all learn differently, so we should have different types of education for different people.
01:05:25.000Or maybe they excel at different types of.
01:05:27.000Now, I don't believe that, but that could be an actual answer.
01:06:24.000What countries in Africa do these people have enough money to immigrate halfway across the world to Canada and then they just commit crimes?
01:07:04.000Aren't all the Somali immigrants in Minneapolis?
01:07:08.000Oh, yeah, I can't help noticing that I walk around Canadian cities now and I see people who they look like they aspire to be in a rat family.
01:08:58.000I was gonna, no, I just remembered some of the past conversations.
01:09:01.000I think the numbers are pretty accurate.
01:09:03.000I think the numbers are pretty accurate.
01:09:04.000Do you think you should get in trouble for questioning the numbers?
01:09:07.000Um, I mean, it depends on your manner and your motivation, I guess.
01:09:10.000Like, I don't think there's anything wrong with like researching history, but like, if you're a total layman with no engagement with the literature and you walk around with no desire to actually know what's going on, you're like, well, I think this is fake.
01:09:18.000It's like, oh, I'm glad that that conveniently lines up with the political narrative.
01:09:21.000What if you just take the numbers and everything about the Holocaust and you just say, I'm tired of hearing about the fucking Holocaust and it doesn't affect me at all and I don't give a fuck about Israel or any of these fucking motherfuckers trying to affect my life with their bullshit Holocaust that happened 70 fucking years ago?
01:11:13.000But I guess what I've been hearing over the past minute or two that I've been in the green room, And this reminded me, you said, I think you said on a stream that I'm in favor of like genociding all like non white people.
01:11:43.000Yo, here's what's funny about you, dude I go on my show every night.
01:11:48.000And I say things that are going to get me banned off platforms, like obviously banned off PayPal, YouTube, whatever, things that people don't like me for.
01:13:08.000You're asking me to explain your own rhetoric on stream.
01:13:11.000How many layers of iron are we on right now?
01:13:13.000Obviously, you have pragmatic positions where I'm sure your position would be like, oh, I would like to curb the amount of non white immigrants to the United States to respect their traditional European breeding stock or some shit.
01:13:22.000And then you have like your more idealistic positions.
01:15:21.000He was a socialist that he would be, you know, marrying gay people and he would be a Democrat.
01:15:27.000And I think Bausch says that a lot, right?
01:15:29.000I don't know if he'd be a Democrat or marrying gay people, but I mean, like the walking around and the healing the poor people and the rich man have trouble passing, more trouble passing the eye of the needle getting through heaven.
01:15:37.000Feels like he probably had a certain political bent that wouldn't have been fiscal conservatism, would be my guess.
01:18:17.000Here's what I will say, and maybe this is where you're going to say, aha, you know, there it is.
01:18:21.000Is like, you know, if you actually go through some of the documents from the Nuremberg trials, like a lot of the sources are dubious.
01:18:29.000I mean, they say things, for example, like that people were killed with electric floors, that people were put in a room where the floor was electrified and then the people got electrocuted, like that.
01:18:54.000When you get widespread academic consensus on these topics across multiple countries, how do you explain the grand conspiracy that people seem to think these documents are trustworthy or these stories are generally true?
01:19:47.000I was a hardcore libertarian conservative.
01:19:50.000And I started to really get the shit kicked out of me by a lot of these Zionist types in my circles because I started to say, well, what's the deal with foreign aid to Israel?
01:20:00.000And that's all it was at the time was a very innocent inquiry about, you know, look, if we're America first, how do you justify as a fiscal conservative or a nationalist this like insane, indefensible support of this country?
01:20:12.000And, you know, you could say, well, we're in favor of it, whatever.
01:20:50.000Here's what I'm saying, and it makes sense.
01:20:52.000What I'm saying is that the reason why certain views are seen as hateful or wrong, it always goes back to the Holocaust.
01:21:02.000What I'm talking about an inquiry about Israel is anti Semitism because, and Ben Shapiro says this he says that questioning a Jewish person's allegiance is dual loyalty and that's an anti Semitic smear, and anti Semitic smears are dangerous because of the Holocaust.
01:21:19.000And that is always the logical progression.
01:22:05.000Other people's interpretations of those sources as well.
01:22:08.000And when he, when Nick says things, especially when you say things like, all the documents are out there, the fact that you say that means that, no, you haven't done the research because the documents aren't out there.
01:22:14.000Because when historians want to do this work, they have to go open the, the, the actual archives in Moscow and Paris, um, in London.
01:22:20.000Like they have to actually go to these cities and they have to go into these museums and they have to actually dig through it.
01:22:24.000It's not all available there on some PDF called www.nasbol.com or some dumb shit.
01:22:29.000Um, no, I mean, I, I would trust like a historian that is well read in a particular area to read a document, to vet it and contextualize it.
01:22:35.000More than some dipshit with a narrative on the internet reading one document and saying, like, well, Hitler never gave a direct order to kill the Jews, so he must not have done it.
01:22:42.000Like, that kind of direct reading of primary sources is stupid.
01:22:45.000It's down when people try to do it in medicine.
01:22:46.000It's down when people do it in history.
01:22:48.000Like, when you read Suetonius, you don't read, I mean, maybe some people do read the actual Latin, but you read the translations usually, right?
01:23:07.000So the problem when you say, like, oh, well, of course you're reading a translator.
01:23:10.000The problem is that the way that a lot of these revisionists do these translations, they mistranslate them and they'll get like one or two different types of words wrong and it completely changes the meaning of the message.
01:23:21.000So, for instance, there's like a telegram that I don't remember it exactly, but like Hitler was responding to something about how we need to stop or not like exterminate like a certain group of Jews.
01:23:31.000And in one translation, it looks like he's saying like, oh, I just found out about this.
01:23:35.000But when you look at the actual translate, he's referring to like a very specific single car.
01:23:38.000That's like one example of like a multitude of like Mistranslation errors where you can stack up this really fucking weird narrative where at the end of the day, Hitler is this poor innocent guy that had no idea the Holocaust was going on versus no, it was pretty consistent.
01:23:50.000What are you talking about in a specific case?
01:23:51.000I'm talking about in general, you know, primary sources.
01:23:54.000You don't always speak the language, but yeah, I understand what you're saying.
01:24:12.000I don't know how people can be so ignorant, especially on your side, Destiny, your own supporters, when your whole thing is like, you have a source for that.
01:24:28.000Well, I do hear a lot of that, which is like, well, let's research, let's look at the data.
01:24:33.000And then when it comes down to something like this, where I'm saying, well, we could look at the Nuremberg trials, we could look at the notes, we could look at.
01:24:40.000There's so much documentation about this.
01:24:43.000The thing is, though, a lot of the primary sources.
01:24:45.000For the claims that they make in the Nuremberg trials.
01:27:25.000It's not morally wrong to question things.
01:27:27.000The problem is that when you use a method of questioning things and you selectively choose sources and you selectively choose non historians that are selectively picking different narratives to try to put together a story, it makes it seem like you're less interested.
01:27:39.000interested in what actually happened versus trying to get a little thing together to push a certain narrative, a political narrative.
01:27:45.000And you're okay with rewriting history in order to push said political narrative.
01:27:48.000The fact that you would bring up Irving and think that that guy is some great defender of truth and history when his trial was a fucking joke, it was hilarious how much he got absolutely lambasted by the people that were brought in to analyze the horrendous mistranslations that he used in his book, the horrible and shoddy citing where he would just cite like a 72 page manuscript in his book and say, well, that's what the source is, or the fact that he held on to documents that had been explicitly Proven to be not true for decades before coming out and saying, like, oh, okay, yeah,
01:28:35.000It's like, man, I'm just saying, you know?
01:28:36.000Like, what, what, what if that was fake?
01:28:38.000Like, why does everybody care about this thing?
01:28:39.000And it's like pretty clear that you're trying to like point in a particular direction.
01:28:43.000But I think the saddest thing about like you and your show and everything related to, you know, the Ryan Dawson stuff and the Jewish stuff, Is you guys never have any solutions?
01:28:49.000Like, well, you know, what should we do?
01:29:38.000And they brought in so many expert witnesses and they had this trial by judge and they went over so much.
01:29:43.000And some of the excerpts from that trial are just comical where Irving is on the stand and they're asking, like, so how do you know how many Jews could fit in that ditch?
01:29:51.000And he's like, well, you know, I renovated my house last year.
01:29:55.000And he's like, well, I won a jelly bean contest of the.
01:30:02.000It was a really rough, like, by the end of it, it was pretty obvious, like, that the initial skepticism about Irving was, like, okay, I'm like, Irving, you know, he was notorious for, like, I go into the archives and I dig out the information.
01:30:14.000But when you actually go through and you look at the stuff that he's citing, it's pretty clear he's relying on you not reading any of it because it's a pretty shoddy job that he does.
01:30:42.000The point was simply to say that if we are going to do this, where, okay, well, the experts say one thing, okay, well, here's my expert.
01:30:51.000I'm more interested in let's battle it out for ourselves.
01:30:55.000And fundamentally, Like I said, I'm a lot less interested in how many people died in the Holocaust or the Holocaust itself or World War II than I am interested in why it is that people who question it, people that minimize it, people that don't go along with the status quo are persecuted.
01:32:19.000I'm wondering why you go to jail if you question a certain thing.
01:32:22.000I'm wondering why you're talking about, well, somebody's not really interested in the facts.
01:32:26.000Well, who's not interested in the facts?
01:32:28.000The people that are burning down warehouses and throwing you in jail.
01:32:32.000Putting you on a blacklist and putting you on an ADL hit list for questioning something, for offering up even just playing devil's advocate, or, you know, the people that are questioning these things.
01:33:29.000And say, why do you believe that it's a moral question?
01:33:33.000And you're going to throw it back at me and say, well, it's because you're a bad faith actor.
01:33:37.000If I said, for example, that the American Revolution didn't happen the way they say it did, if I said any number of historical events didn't happen the way they say they did, I doubt anybody would care.
01:33:48.000But what you're upset about is not bad sources.
01:33:51.000What you're upset about is the fact that you perceive.
01:33:56.000That these, that, you know, if we get away with this historical narrative in your mind, that then we can push this horrible agenda.
01:34:04.000And this goes back to you think that I want to genocide people.
01:34:07.000And that's fundamentally what it comes down to.
01:34:11.000You don't want to have a civil conversation with me because you've decided that deep down in my heart of hearts, I want genocide.
01:34:17.000And that's why I question the numbers and that's why I don't want immigration because privately and secretly, when we have our secret evil meetings, we're planning, you know, something.
01:34:28.000And I, I just don't know what to say to that.
01:34:30.000I don't have any response to that other than that's retarded.
01:34:33.000So, the fundamental question comes down to this, okay?
01:34:36.000We have processes we trust to deliver us correct answers on things.
01:34:40.000I don't give a fuck what a layman's opinion is on how to build an engine, okay?
01:34:44.000I trust the engineers that put my car together that when I turn the key, the car's not going to explode, okay?
01:34:49.000I don't question the school of architecture that's down the street from me or whatever when I go to move into my apartment.
01:34:55.000There are tons of things in life that we just don't have the time to dig into when it comes to primary sources because.
01:35:02.000If anybody studied any area, they would tell you that a layman looking at a primary source is sometimes worse than not looking at anything at all because you don't have the necessary background to actually contextualize the information that you're getting.
01:35:13.000And anybody that's honest will admit that.
01:35:15.000I could read right now any medical paper in the world and have no fucking idea how to contextualize the information.
01:35:19.000In fact, there was something you brought up Reddit earlier.
01:35:22.000There was a big article that got posted today that was super front page of RRAL about how SARS CoV 2 antibodies go away in the bloodstream after a while.
01:35:31.000And so people are worried that they'll get reinfected in like two or three months.
01:35:34.000And you have to actually click through.
01:35:35.000You can read the abstract of the study in the title, but you have to actually go through and listen to the people that actually know what they're talking about to tell you, well, actually, this doesn't necessarily mean you could be reinfected, and here's why.
01:35:43.000The reality is that primary sources are hard.
01:35:46.000And history, especially historical events, can be pretty hard to piece together everything.
01:35:50.000And just reading one document and pretending like one document from one person and one era from one organization, especially when half the sources you're going to bring up are literal propaganda arms of the Nazi party, it's going to give you a holistic view of what happened at any point of time is absurd.
01:37:03.000You're looking for certain things that agree with you.
01:37:05.000When it comes to digging into historical archives, especially for things like wars, you can piece together almost any narrative that you want, depending on whose side you're picking documents from, and depending on if you're choosing party documents, if you're choosing intelligence documents, if you're choosing journalist documents, it super depends on what you're doing.
01:37:20.000So, when it comes to contextualizing a document in any given historical event, the number one thing that I would do is I would say, hey, here's a historian that specializes in this area.
01:37:30.000And then, what's the academic consensus in the field?
01:37:32.000These people are super ideologically motivated to fight with one another all the time.
01:37:35.000And if you do any real digging in history, you find out that they do fight with one another all the time.
01:37:38.000There's plenty of debate over things that happened specifically in World War II, specifically with Nazi Germany, specifically with the way that Hitler communicated with his party members.
01:37:46.000Those debates are not, I think, that the number of people killed is 100,000.
01:37:50.000They might quibble over certain issues, but the debate is very much alive and well in these historical communities.
01:37:54.000And you would have to be completely on the outside and divorced from all of these arguments to think that it's all just a settled matter that nobody's digging into.
01:38:01.000But to sit here and pretend that a layman with no background in any of these areas at all can come through and just read a couple primary documents that are, by the way, translated by who knows who, because that can be very important sometimes, and think that you have a more complete Picture of somebody that's dedicated the better part of their academic career reading and researching these areas is just fucking laughable.
01:38:19.000It's about as stupid as the people that read through one or two things and go, oh, look, diethyl mercury or whatever is in vaccines.
01:38:24.000So I know it's going to make my kid retarded if I pop the hellbine.
01:38:27.000Who's got time to read the whole article?
01:39:38.000Like I said, when I was in high school, my views were completely different.
01:39:42.000I was a libertarian, and you could have caught me saying a lot of the things that you find a lot of libertarians today saying, from Cato and Justin Amash and Benji Bakker, and all this stuff about the free market and whatever.
01:39:55.000And I had a big change of, well, I changed my opinion, I changed my mind, changed my worldview because I was investigating these things.
01:40:02.000And one of the things that I found when I was looking into these different questions or contradictions or double standards is that there was always this, there was never an answer for these things.
01:40:12.000There's never a great answer for a lot of these questions that I had.
01:40:38.000Well, maybe like in a classroom or something, but if you would have set up an interview with like a historian and you would ask questions related to like, do you think this or that, like these people will get, these people are actually so thirsty for interviews.
01:41:02.000So, point being is, you know, even on something like foreign aid to Israel, which is so simple and it's something that anybody can understand, you know, you could read about the numbers and you could read about what we're getting in return for that and whatever.
01:42:12.000But the point that I'm trying to make here is that we have to question the institutions.
01:42:17.000That's what people are missing out on all the academy, the people that are producing these things, the source makers, the so called experts.
01:42:25.000We have to question them as an institution.
01:42:27.000We have to question the culture that prevails because it's obviously not a culture of open inquiry on college campuses.
01:42:34.000I don't need to say that people have been saying for five years about free speech on college campuses or social media.
01:42:43.000A certain opinion, and there's a gradient here, depending on what the opinion is, there's going to be consequences for you for asking.
01:42:50.000There's going to be consequences for you for saying the wrong thing.
01:42:53.000And if what you're saying is true, Destiny, about all these academics, they just want to tell everybody, prove everybody wrong, and they're experts and they know everything, then I would believe that if I came to somebody with such a stupid wrong opinion, you're just the genius, and I'm just coming to people talking about Jewish power, and this is the wrongest opinion in the world, I would think that an academic would say, oh, well, hey, That's a common mistake.
01:43:19.000You know, you're the victim of propaganda.
01:43:20.000Here's X, Y, and Z. Here's the sources.
01:44:48.000Well, I've talked to a lot of people and at this point, I've heard arguments on both sides where it's like, You know, I could kind of go either way.
01:45:39.000She used to get on the air and say the N word and Jesus came on me and all this crazy shit.
01:45:43.000I think Count Angela's shit was funny, but he doesn't have, or at least not until recently, I don't know what he does now, but he doesn't have a huge political agenda like Nick the Paleo Conservative does.
01:45:51.000So you think the people make the difference on how you receive the joke?
01:45:56.000If some guy were to make a joke about black people to me and it was a friend of mine versus Tucker Carlson, I would read that way differently, even if it was the exact same joke, of course, just based on what you know about them.
01:46:33.000So, just like, real quick, just like knocking some of these out.
01:46:35.000So, in terms of like, why do people care about certain types of rhetoric or certain jokes or certain historical revisionists or Nazi questions?
01:46:40.000When you've got people in New Zealand like shooting up places and killing, you know, 40, 50 people, and they're referencing like the great replacement in their manifestos, I mean, it kind of makes you wonder.
01:46:49.000Like, when you hear that exact same rhetoric coming out of certain people, I mean, you kind of have to wonder.
01:46:53.000You can draw a straight line from questioning narratives about World War II to maybe the Jews are running shit to they're bringing all the immigrants here to the great replacement of white people.
01:47:02.000And then you see a guy go out and shoot places up.
01:47:03.000You kind of have to wonder, well, okay, I wonder if maybe this could play into things a little bit.
01:48:10.000If there are mainstream left wing figures that are out there saying you need to go shoot up congressional baseball games because these guys are whatever, then I could understand that.
01:48:18.000There are mainstream people on the right that are saying things like immigrants that come to our countries and have children.
01:48:24.000That's basically the same thing as invading a country.
01:48:45.000They're having children, violently replacing you, raping your white women with the rape.
01:48:49.000Yeah, me and Destiny are raping your white women, Ralph.
01:48:51.000And if Jewish people are orchestrating all of this and there's just nothing you can do, there's no way you can push back, and like, of course, the only out here seems to be violence.
01:49:02.000And I would even argue that you might say that there are some people on the left that might say similar things that lead people to writing.
01:49:25.000So, when you get like mass shooters that are literally quoting, you know, like the great places, when you look at their Twitter accounts and they're following, you know, like Ben Shapiro, Nick Plain, there's all these people, it makes you wonder, right?
01:50:22.000And I agree that sometimes there are institutions that maybe are a bit more resistant to change than others.
01:50:28.000But the way to question an institution isn't a layman grabbing a bunch of primary source documents and going, oh, what's going on?
01:50:33.000You know, people always act like that.
01:50:35.000These institutions are unquestionable and nobody does anything to, they'll suppress all of the counter arguments and everything.
01:50:40.000Irving, before that trial, was a best selling author, considered by a lot of people to have published some of the best books on World War II Germany in the history of books.
01:51:07.000He was the one trying to shut down free speech.
01:51:09.000It's really interesting that it works out sometimes.
01:51:11.000He was a best selling author before then.
01:51:13.000So, this idea that these institutions are unquestionable or that other people don't have the ability to push back against them, either from within or without.
01:51:20.000I remember when that intellectual dark web shit was going on.
01:51:22.000There were plenty of academics that came out and were laughing at the idea that, like, oh my God, like you can't question anybody in academia.
01:51:28.000People in academia fight against each other all the time.
01:51:42.000I mean, academic arguing, even in fields like quantum mechanics, even in mathematics, Heisenberg specifically was targeted by the Nazi regime because they considered quantum mechanics Jewish science.
01:51:54.000Yeah, and Stalin did it as well to geneticists.
01:51:56.000They thought that genes weren't real when it came to plants.
01:51:58.000But my point is that academia exists on an ideological curve over time.
01:52:48.000Because quantum mechanics has only been recognized recently.
01:52:52.000The classical mechanics, Einstein was a classical mechanics physicist who fought against quantum mechanics.
01:52:59.000And at that point, when you're basically arguing a religion, like these people are heavily influenced by philosophy scientists as well, they get to a point where the math runs out and their egos take over.
01:53:10.000And it is, I mean, I could take time and find it, but it was ideological.
01:54:03.000I just said, if you want to question academia, you have to do it in a responsible way.
01:54:08.000It has to be done with people that know what they're talking about, not just some random dipshit on the street trying to challenge the fucking man.
01:54:14.000Well, why is anybody listening to anything then?
01:54:16.000I mean, everybody's just talking about issues, right?
01:54:18.000You don't have to be an expert in this.
01:54:20.000Well, that's part of the problem with our systems.
01:54:21.000Today is like a lot of people are saying dumb fucking shit when it comes to certain things.
01:54:26.000Yeah, I'd say that's a good idea is to listen to the experts.
01:54:28.000Yeah, this coronavirus shit is a really good example of it.
01:54:30.000With a lot of experts, they really have that great.
01:54:50.000You know, I mean, everything that destiny is saying, I mean, I don't know, I mean, the stuff about primary sources and experts.
01:54:56.000But it's just denying the context of what's going on, which is that we know the way it goes.
01:55:01.000If you say certain things, you can't get published.
01:55:04.000If you say certain things, you can't have a website.
01:55:07.000If you say certain things, you can't have a TV show.
01:55:10.000It's like, and he says, he's like, you know, Desmond is a neoliberal.
01:55:14.000I think he describes himself sometimes as a neoliberal or in favor of free speech.
01:55:18.000And it's like, even if you are a libertarian, even if you disagree with me or you are in favor of free speech, you would acknowledge that there is this great silencing happening.
01:55:28.000And we know that we can't say certain things, even like just this week, Zero Hedge and Federalist, they had like comments on their websites, or I think some of their posts were questioning Black Lives Matter and saying, like, oh, maybe some of these rioters weren't exactly who they said they were.
01:56:35.000But in any case, and even when talking about things like the shooting in New Zealand last year and this argument about, well, right wing people lead to violence, again, it just all goes back to the people on the left and Destiny in particular.
01:57:31.000And it turns out that it's not really so much that you don't like that.
01:57:34.000I have bad sources, or that I'm wrong, or whatever.
01:57:37.000Because I just told you I'm not really committed one way or the other.
01:57:40.000You said that it's because it's irresponsible and there's bad intentions, that you're misusing history to promote a bad outcome, to promote a bad ideology, which is ultimately genocide.
01:57:52.000You're saying that the reason that right wing rhetoric is dangerous, or our rhetoric, sorry, Groyper rhetoric is dangerous, is because when things like Christchurch happen.
01:58:01.000And fundamentally, that I think Destiny believes.
01:58:04.000That we want things like that to happen.
01:58:07.000He thinks that we want genocide, we want terrorism.
01:58:09.000And you actually can't have a good faith conversation with someone like that because he believes that we're not arguing in good faith.
01:58:15.000He believes that our ultimate intention, our ultimate end game is something sick and something that is so horrible, something is so immoral, gravely immoral.
01:58:24.000I mean, how do you even get along with somebody like that?
01:58:27.000I look at Destiny as somebody who, you know, well, I'm not going to say, you know, really, but we disagree, but we're going to have a debate.
01:58:39.000But, I mean, he thinks that I'm this like Bond super villain that, like, like he said, if I were president, I don't think you're anywhere near that.
01:58:45.000I don't think you're anywhere near that.
01:58:47.000I guess my whole thing is like, I see me and Dick, we're here, we're talking to Destiny, we talked to him before the show, we all get along.
01:58:53.000I talked to him off air, we get along.
01:58:55.000Everybody else, but you two guys don't get along and really don't get along now.
01:59:21.000That was the first argument that you and I had today.
01:59:24.000One of the problems that I have is that, like, because part of the way that online rhetoric works is you ask questions getting like right to the very fucking edge and then you never say it and then you feel like that money and then you feel like and then that person is immune to all criticism.
01:59:37.000So, like, for the caller earlier, like, so he might come on and he might say, Blacks commit more crime in Canada.
01:59:42.000And all over the world and in other places, in the whole world, and then compared to whites.
01:59:46.000Blacks also have less IQ than whites, genetically speaking.
01:59:48.000Blacks are also, you know, they have the warrior gene.
01:59:51.000And the country would probably have less crime if blacks weren't here.
01:59:54.000I mean, as good as I say, like, well, do you think that we should, like, deport all blacks?
01:59:57.000I was like, whoa, I would never make that claim.
01:59:59.000It's like, okay, well, like, but like, that's where, like, all of the audience is going naturally.
02:00:02.000Jordan Peterson does this shit all the time.
02:00:04.000And it's like, fuck, like, how do you argue with a person like that that isn't actually telling you to do anything?
02:00:08.000They're just leading you, like, right to the front of the camera.
02:00:09.000But the caller that you're talking about was so, he seemed like an asshole.
02:00:46.000I want to play ball on the field, not a militarist.
02:00:48.000This is why I don't like fucking talking to commies anymore, right?
02:00:51.000If you want to tell me, like, what's the best way to help the American economy, and you're saying, well, we need to socialize all the means of production, it's like, well, why the fuck am I talking to you?
02:01:02.000So, like, if I want to have a reasonable conversation, like, what should the foreign policy direction be in the Middle East for the United States?
02:01:07.000And someone like Ryan Dawson or Nick Fuentes is going to go, Well, you know, the Israelis are coming out and the Jewish people have us cuffed as a little bit of a dealer.
02:02:14.000But I'm saying, I mean, if my only association with somebody is political, like Hassan on Twitch, I don't like him because it's all politics.
02:03:31.000But no, I mean, yeah, I don't hate people because I disagree with them or dislike them because I disagree with them.
02:03:37.000I mean, I think that, you know, like Destiny, Vouch, everything that these people are about, I'm obviously against.
02:03:44.000But, uh, I'm just fundamentally not that way.
02:03:47.000Even like when we go to these Con Inc. things, when we go to conservative gatherings like CPAC or whatever, I encounter all kinds of people that dislike me or people that disagree with me.
02:04:01.000But it's only the other side usually that starts shit with me.
02:04:04.000I'm never somebody, unless somebody's cringe, but generally I'm never somebody that says, like, oh, I don't like this person and I hate you.
02:04:11.000And I'm just, I'm very, very nice guy, but definitely thinks under that, Veil is like Hitler II.
02:04:21.000It doesn't matter, you know, like me and Destiny, you don't even want to be raised the same way because it doesn't really matter what other people think about us, right?
02:04:27.000Like, we're not threatened in the United States.
02:04:29.000I don't give a fuck if somebody hates white people.
02:04:37.000But let's say that you're somebody that, let's say that you're here because of DACA, right?
02:04:41.000And you've got to deal with like a Trump supporter.
02:04:42.000Do you think it's okay to hate that person because he's essentially okay with you getting kicked out of the only country you've ever like been born and raised in?
02:04:47.000Do you think it's okay to hate someone who thinks you should be removed from the country because you weren't legally, it was kind of a bullshit reason that you got put in the country?
02:06:29.000Even like the immigrants that come here, I don't hate the people that come here.
02:06:32.000I don't hate most of the people I talk about on my show.
02:06:35.000That are the problem, you know, people that create problems in the country.
02:06:38.000A lot of them, it's their nature, you know, a lot of them, or they're brought here by somebody.
02:06:42.000So when I see immigrants pouring over the border and they're like replacing white people and they're not learning English and blah, blah, blah, it's not like, oh, hey, you're terrible.
02:06:51.000Like that doesn't make them a terrible person.
02:06:52.000I think that these are just like the natures of people.
02:06:56.000If you're in a poor country and it's contiguous with a rich country, it's in your interest to get your ass over here.
02:07:02.000And, you know, it's just really about how the incentives line up.
02:07:05.000I can't fault somebody because they follow the incentive.
02:07:09.000Our leaders and representatives for not doing their job and being responsible of their people, which is to protect our borders.
02:07:15.000But I mean, fundamentally, the way I see it is kind of like, at least between us and immigrants, you know, it's one of these needless clashes.
02:07:21.000And, you know, even when Destiny was talking earlier about the caller who said, well, you know, blacks commit crime and blacks have lower IQ and blah, blah, blah, like all of those things are true.
02:07:30.000And the thing I think maybe where we disagree is that on my show, I'm going to acknowledge that.
02:07:36.000And it's not coming up to the line of advocating for genocide.
02:07:39.000It's just acknowledging what's happening in the country and saying, well, These are the facts.
02:07:46.000And if you've been watching my show even for the past like two months or really for the past two years, and I know Destiny hasn't, maybe that's why he has a bad opinion of me, but that's what I say.
02:07:55.000I say, yes, you know, there are these inequities or these, you know, disparate outcomes.
02:08:03.000What are three big policies that you advocate for, Nick?
02:08:23.000If you look at what's happening in Congress right now, it's not even politically realistic to keep the names of Confederate generals on bases.
02:09:43.000We have this multiracial country, 60 million people in 60 years, and we're supposed to say, no, I'm going to go to housing and urban development and I'm going to get a study from Cato.
02:09:55.000Yeah, that is exactly how policy works.
02:09:58.000Funny is all of the extremists online.
02:10:00.000So, whether it's Gripers and America First, or whether it's commies or tankers, a 25 year old master's degree, political science expert, technocrat, and asking them to figure it out on a fucking piece of paper.
02:10:39.000I just think all the companies should be owned by the people.
02:10:41.000Or when I talk to him, he's like, well, I don't know.
02:10:43.000I tell my audience to go buy a Glock and lock themselves in their fucking basement and wait for the fucking taco trucks to roll down the street to invade their houses.
02:10:49.000He didn't have any reasonable policies.
02:11:08.000And that's not, and that maybe that comes across as like, you know, you don't have a policy or something, but I don't think people realize that in the past 30 years, the world has transformed with the Cold War, the New World Order.
02:11:55.000But wait, but wait, hear me out, though.
02:11:57.000A lot of these things, if you're talking about in the narrow confines of what would pass this Congress, think about this Congress.
02:12:03.000Even when the president, Donald Trump, was in the White House and we had a majority in the House and the Senate, We could not allocate more than $3.5 billion for a border barrier.
02:12:45.000Why is it that Obama was able to deport so many more immigrants?
02:12:49.000That a lot of people still today aren't aware of why he was called the deporter in chief from a lot of people in Hispanic communities.
02:12:54.000It's because he had the political capital and the political know how to do it.
02:12:56.000If Trump is an ineffective leader, if Trump just doesn't know how the fuck anything works, if he's sending Pence to Congress and then backstabbing him on legislation, I mean, what are you going to do?
02:13:05.000I mean, that data is wrong, by the way.
02:13:23.000Nick, I just wanted you to explain what you meant about the data there because I actually think that's an interesting point that people don't pay attention to.
02:14:12.000When they turn people away at the border, and turning people away is different than a deportation because many times people will be turned away and they come back.
02:14:18.000People get deported and they come back.
02:14:20.000And moreover, turning someone away is not removing people that are already in.
02:14:32.000But in any case, if you're going to say that Barack Obama can deport more people than Trump, regardless, I mean, this is such a non starter for a million reasons.
02:14:41.000Maybe the first is that deporting more people in a day than come in in a day, I mean, that already basically can't happen.
02:14:49.000Donald Trump was getting 130,000 illegal immigrants or crossings in the month of May alone last year.
02:14:58.000And the biggest ICE raid that he ever did in one day, I think he had like 1,500 people removed.
02:15:03.0001,500 in one day versus 130,000 coming in in one month.
02:15:07.000So to say that, like, oh, well, you know, Barack Obama could get deportations, it's like the numbers that we're talking about are not even on the same scale.
02:15:15.000To say that, like, major immigration restriction would be politically viable today, Ted Cruz, who's one of the most conservative senators in the Senate, he said that he would be in favor of a temporary shutdown of temporary work visas in the country while we wait for coronavirus to die out.
02:15:32.000Meaning that the only reason that they're supporting incremental restrictions on immigration is because there's 30 million people unemployed, or however many it is this week.
02:15:42.000But the point is, even the most conservative Republicans are saying that they will only support incremental restrictions on immigration because of this, the worst recession in American history next to the Great Depression.
02:15:53.000And you're telling me that, well, actually, it's politically viable because Obama deported people.
02:16:04.000Your problem is that somebody like Trump has made a lot of these conversations politically unviable because he's a fucking idiot in the way that he approaches all of these immigration issues.
02:16:13.000A really good point to bring up here, a really good topic that was just a total buzzkill for Republicans was fucking DACA.
02:16:20.000Why the fuck would you want to export people?
02:16:22.000Why would you want to kick people out of the country that are registered under the federal government, that are paying taxes, that have no criminal records, that are required to re register like every fucking two years, that have gone to school?
02:16:32.000You've already paid for their fucking education with public tax dollars.
02:16:35.000Why would you make a big part of your campaign getting these people out of the country?
02:16:38.000At some point, combined with all the other stupid things that he said about immigrants, it makes it really fucking hard to look at anything that he does as being anything more than just a slide against Hispanic people or a slide against Mexican people.
02:16:47.000But that Trump only has himself to blame for that.
02:16:49.000Like, when you set your sights on those types of people and then you come out swinging with that type of rhetoric, when you start saying things like that, judge gave me an unfavorable ruling because his parents were fucking Hispanic, like when you come out swinging with that, yeah, of course people are going to look at you sideways and be like, well, what the fuck?
02:17:03.000This guy wants to build a border wall?
02:17:36.000But yeah, I mean, Trump has made this very politically difficult.
02:17:39.000But you have no one but yourself to blame for that.
02:17:40.000I mean, when you support this guy and you put 110% of your weight behind him, and then he says some crazy, stupid shit like this, yeah, it's going to hurt your ability to fucking get anything done.
02:17:48.000This is why electoralism is important.
02:17:49.000It's why looking at how political systems work is really important because it's the only way you're going to get anything done.
02:17:54.000And you even seem to acknowledge that, that holy shit, we have nothing in fucking Congress.
02:17:57.000Like, we can't pass any fucking, even the conservatives in Congress can't get shit done.
02:18:01.000That it sounds like you need to change the way that you approach things, or you can go and buy a fucking AR 15 with your 10 round magazine and hide in your fucking basement and, you know, scream when the fucking Taco Bell Chihuahua comes running down the street looking for you, I guess.
02:18:14.000Are you advocating the murder of Chihuahuas?
02:18:25.000Yeah, I just think that the argument is ridiculous.
02:18:29.000The idea that Republicans cannot achieve far right or hard conservative, maybe authentic conservative policies because they're not nice enough and they're a presentation.
02:18:40.000The idea that Donald Trump would be able to build a border wall with Mexico or a border barrier or shut down legal immigration because he said they're bringing drugs, they're a crime, and that's why it is.
02:19:40.000Like, of course, there are bigger forces at work besides like Donald Trump's, you know, callous rhetoric.
02:19:48.000You know, they find ways to look over rhetoric that is offensive from other politicians all the time because it suits their interest.
02:19:55.000You know, the things that Donald Trump was saying on immigration were disruptive.
02:19:58.000It was disrupting the status quo that both Barack Obama and George W. Bush were a part of.
02:20:03.000George W. Bush brought in 8 million immigrants in his first five years in office, and he was Republican, and he was a compassionate conservative.
02:20:12.000So, well, Bush and Obama were in favor of the immigration consensus.
02:20:17.000And this is why the corporate media, this is why all the institutions are against him.
02:20:21.000And I'll admit that that was during the campaign.
02:20:23.000Now they've largely co opted the administration, which is why we've gotten nothing on immigration, which is why big agriculture and heritage and all the lobbies are in the White House talking to Kushner when he's drafting the legal immigration proposal.
02:20:39.000And surprise, surprise, they don't actually decrease the amount of immigration by a single immigrant in Trump's immigration reform.
02:20:45.000Now, is that because of rhetoric or is that because of the financial and political rhetoric that came together to create that policy?
02:20:52.000I mean, look at the popularity right now between Biden and Trump.
02:20:56.000You're starting to see Trump losing or coming even in unimaginable states, in southern states or in Rust Belt states that Trump had one handedly against Hillary Clinton.
02:21:04.000Trump has made a lot of these issues politically infeasible.
02:21:07.000I know that we want to look at grander solutions like, oh, it's the Koch brothers are buying out all the media and blah, But the reality is that Trump has just fucked a lot of this up.
02:22:11.000As soon as you get into the real world, you realize, okay, there are way bigger systems at play here.
02:22:18.000I can't just come and shake everything up from the ground as a low level no name employee or a no name person at a school or a no name person in a political system.
02:22:24.000Bernie Sanders ran into the same problem.
02:22:26.000Why was there no political revolution with Bernie Sanders?
02:22:28.000Because he doesn't do anything to the political system.
02:22:30.000He didn't get any endorsements from any people.
02:22:31.000We didn't talk to fucking Clyburn even for his like big primary days.
02:23:43.000So, like, the thing is that if he wins again, absolutely.
02:23:47.000But if he loses in a landslide to Biden, like some of the early polling's on his show, then they're probably going to pick up what's Destiny, the polls.
02:25:22.000Because on social issues, I don't know if you guys know any Hispanic or black people, they tend to be a little bit more social conservative.
02:25:27.000They support the military moving in on.
02:25:28.000They tend to be a little bit more socially conservative than white kids.
02:25:33.000When you look at the kids that are marching for the LGBT rallies and the fucking crazy blue hair and shit, it's not usually black and Hispanic people.
02:26:17.000I said the reason for that is because of the people that want immigration.
02:26:21.000And you pivot to say, well, No, we're not getting immigration because Donald Trump is incompetent.
02:26:26.000And I, you know, Donald Trump is incompetent, but I don't think that Donald Trump being incompetent is the reason why immigration is not something that would be quote unquote politically viable right now.
02:26:36.000I don't think it has anything to do with it.
02:26:38.000I think that I told you the reason why.
02:26:40.000The reason why is because the people that run this country, the elites, they want the immigration.
02:26:46.000So it has nothing to do with Donald Trump being incompetent or, you know, whatever.
02:26:49.000Because, like I said, when Donald Trump had two majorities, when he had a majority in the House and in the Senate, you know, he tried to get the wall built.
02:27:07.000None of the congressional Republicans are in favor of cutting legal immigration.
02:27:11.000The Senate Democrats are what stopped the single payer going through under Obama.
02:27:15.000It was Lieberman or whatever in the Senate under the Democrats that stopped single payer health care.
02:27:18.000I mean, the State of the Union last year, he said that we want more legal immigrants than ever before.
02:27:25.000And during the campaign, it was a little wishy washy.
02:27:28.000He didn't like totally commit to cutting legal immigration.
02:27:30.000But I mean, Donald Trump, even the most, the farthest that he can go on immigration is he wants to stop illegals from getting in, get illegals that are here out.
02:27:39.000And what all he said about legal immigration is he wants it to be merit based rather than family based or through the diversity visa lottery.
02:27:47.000And so that just goes to show that even Donald Trump, who many would consider like an immigration hardliner, the most that he can muster, he can't even muster nativism or immigration restrictionism.
02:27:57.000What he's talking about is merely enforcing the law.
02:27:59.000Not saying let's take a look at the 2 million or million people that come here every year.
02:28:03.000So, whether he's incompetent or not has something to do with the fact that immigration restriction is not something, I think, across the board that would be popular, that would be political.
02:28:13.000He said that he just wants to enforce the law, but he's trying to repeal DACA, which was an executive action.
02:28:19.000But that was an executive action, DACA.
02:28:21.000I mean, the Supreme Court seems to disagree recently with Trump trying to trail.
02:28:40.000Number two, if you want to talk about misusing your executive powers, doesn't Trump literally say that, like, I need to go down and build the border wall as a matter of, like, fucking national security?
02:28:48.000Hasn't he said tariffs are a matter of fucking national security?
02:28:51.000Why don't Republicans ever call Trump out on this kind of shit?
02:32:48.000But go ahead, you know, I listen to both sides, man.
02:32:53.000And, you know, we all have, I don't know, it depends on where you're from, but we all have people on the left and people on the right in our families.
02:33:01.000And it's hard to talk to the other side when you, you know, believe.
02:36:46.000I heard this clip and I'm completely soaked in beer and I don't give a fuck.
02:36:51.000I asked her on the show and I said, normally, you know, I'd do a quote tweet and call you out and fuck with you, but I'd actually like you to come on the show.
02:37:16.000Oh, the chill stream, we actually that's what the rebroadcast calls us on YouTube.
02:37:21.000So I can't take that one, but but yeah, I have thought about that.
02:37:25.000I don't know, it's just curious because she literally just starts talking about oh, there's a little more, there's that's a special case there.
02:37:33.000They have a little bit bigger audience.
02:39:26.000I just wanted to say I had a question for Destiny.
02:39:28.000And first, I wanted to kind of point out to Nick just like how insane it is to me that you spent all this time and put in all this effort talking to Destiny.
02:39:39.000A literal buttfucker about how not evil you are.
02:39:44.000Whenever people you consider wig nets, you spent so much time berating and talking shit about.
02:39:50.000You've been a constant source of infighting on this.
02:39:52.000I don't talk about wig nets, they're not relevant.
02:40:26.000But whenever it comes to people who are supposed to be on your own side, You've got nothing but little fucking insults and quips like that.
02:41:01.000Not throughout the whole night, if I said, Destiny, you know, please believe I'm a good person, and, you know, you don't understand the difference.
02:41:10.000Destiny, I believe the Holocaust numbers.
02:42:53.000I would like to say before I start the reason that you always beat Nick in these debates is because you are right about the fact that he is a pussy and won't say his real views.
02:46:12.000She wouldn't come on, which I understood, but she did say that she was laughing her ass off about it and gave me permission to read it on the air.
02:46:23.000I want to hear Dingo go back at F1 to then, uh, Dingo, by the way, the last time Dingo disconnected himself, I didn't, I didn't, oh, he did?
02:47:55.000There have been many races that have been enslaved.
02:47:58.000It's not that they don't have a grievance or something to complain about, but it's also like, this is not some specialized event in history.
02:49:23.000I think it's the single dumbest thing they could possibly do because then they're going to want to call the police when people see that the police are defunded and all of the ne'er do wells go around busting up shit, stealing shit.
02:49:36.000They're like, oh my God, who am I going to call?
02:49:38.000Well, I guess you got to call the Ghostbusters now.
02:49:41.000I think the slogan of defund the police is really fucking stupid, but I think that we definitely need to do like a serious reallocation of resources to other people.
02:49:48.000The idea that we call the cops for fucking everything is really weird.
02:49:51.000Like, if I've got a homeless guy that's just being weird on the side of the street and he's like shot at people, I don't know why the fuck I need to call the police for that.
02:49:58.000Or, if I've got like a dog that's, you know, loose in my neighborhood, why people call the police for everything.
02:51:21.000Because they get beat off in the middle of the day.
02:51:23.000I don't know if it's the training or maybe they get more respect because they're a trooper.
02:51:27.000I really don't know what it is, but they're just almost without fail, more professional.
02:51:32.000I will say that police unions, I love them because I think they show some really funny fucking shit where people on the right will come out and champion the fuck out of our brave fucking men and women.
02:51:42.000And then all of these traditional lefties that tell me unions will save the fucking world from every problem.
02:51:45.000They're like, these police unions have got to fucking go.
02:52:52.000So, I got a question for both of you, Nick and Destiny.
02:52:55.000Do you think it'd be a good idea for Trump to come out and say he is for white interests for these elections?
02:53:01.000No, I think that, uh, you know, even as much as I wish he would be for that, I think that.
02:53:09.000And this is something I thought a lot about during the 2016 election.
02:53:13.000Not all of the racial pandering is necessarily bad.
02:53:17.000I think it's unproductive insofar as Trump is trying to get the black vote because he'll never get that.
02:53:23.000But a lot of white people care if the president is racist or not.
02:53:28.000Blacks will never vote for Trump, but a lot of white people care about if he's racist or not.
02:53:33.000And I feel like, ironically, even though you can't really dissuade much more black voters than he already has, but I think you would dissuade a lot of white voters who see themselves as.
02:58:21.000So you brought up earlier, and you weren't really dismissive, and you didn't really talk about it, so I'm curious what you thought.
02:58:28.000You brought up how people had told you about how there were differences in IQ and behavior between races, and I was curious if you'd come around to that at all, and that's why you didn't mention, or you didn't like.
02:58:41.000The research on this is so fucking messy and it's so hard to disentangle IQ from like a myriad of other environmental factors that it's just not really worth thinking about.
02:58:50.000The thing is, the reason why I ask, like, what would you do about it is because even if there was some genetic basis for some slight variation in how people's minds work, or IQ, if we want to say, or the Q number, whatever.
02:59:01.000Yeah, even if there was some difference, I don't know if it would change much, like policy suggestion.
02:59:06.000Like, we still need to fund inner city schools.
02:59:07.000We still probably need to end the war on drugs.
02:59:09.000We still probably need to do something about homeless, crazy people running around.
02:59:12.000I don't know if it changes too many of my policy positions, even if there was some slight difference in IQ between race and people and some biological foundation.
02:59:20.000But I get what you're saying, but it's not really, I'm not asking you about policy.
02:59:26.000I'm asking about your personal opinion.
02:59:28.000Do you think that we've evolved, humans have evolved such that we have differences in racial groups that are pronounceable and understandable?
02:59:37.000My personal opinion is that, and this is just very personal, and I'll tell this to anybody I talked to.
02:59:42.000My personal opinion is that any single person on the planet can become 99th percentile at something if they put one hour a day into it for two or three years.
02:59:49.000I think that most people would be shocked at how much they can accomplish if they put a little bit of free time into something.
03:00:08.000There's like a million reasons why people can't do anything.
03:00:09.000But like personally, I think that most people can do most things.
03:00:11.000So they just like, if they can put a little bit of time to it, people don't realize how much time an hour a day is.
03:00:16.000It's a lot of time that you could put into something that you could like get way better than you ever believe, like even over six months with something.
03:01:41.000Speak up like a normal person, not a fucking pedophile.
03:01:45.000Why isn't segregation an actual solution to these problems?
03:01:48.000Because black people are saying white cops are killing black people, and white people are saying black people are looting their stores.
03:01:55.000So, why can't we have actual segregation where white people volunteer to have a town of their own and black people have volunteered to have the town of their own?
03:03:05.000Wait, Nick, if you wanted to add something to that.
03:03:07.000Yeah, I don't know if it's, uh, I don't know if it's necessarily a problem of efficacy, honestly.
03:03:12.000I think it's more a problem of practicality.
03:03:17.000I don't know if I necessarily agree with Destiny that it would be detrimental to us, but I think that logistically it would be almost impossible at this point.
03:03:26.000I mean, it's an integrated country, and you look across the country, and it's not like it was back in the day when it was a little bit simpler in terms of the distribution of these people across the country.
03:03:40.000So I think that we are going to have to get creative.
03:03:45.000And Destiny, I talked about this earlier.
03:03:46.000I don't think there's a ton of good options.
03:03:48.000I mean, we live in a multiracial country now.
03:19:42.000Can you, Nick, by the way, obviously, I mean, you basically agree on this, but are there any examples that you can think of where a multi, you know, a pluralistic racial society thrives?
03:23:06.000Sort of having to do all politics and all legislation and make these super realistic ways where we can only use Congress and shit like that.
03:23:14.000An example I want to bring up to you, I'm not going to dox my friend, but one of my friends who is very much involved in one of the political parties in my state, me and him, when we were driving down to CPAC earlier this year before COVID happened, we were talking about all the stuff that Nick and all the supporters talk about.
03:23:32.000And he told me straight up that we are not, that if he started talking about these things with the people that respect him and love him, And want him to rise up more in the party, that he would be kicked out immediately.
03:23:44.000So, what would you tell him to do if he can't do, like, if he literally just can't talk about it in a political system as we've described it?
03:23:55.000I mean, that's the political system working as intended.
03:23:57.000If your ideas are so electorally unpopular that even talking about them would cause people to turn heads, you're probably not going anywhere politically anyway.
03:25:03.000I guess the question is how people like Destiny or Vosh will conflate you as being a Nazi, like in the same realm as Eric Stryker, Richard Spencer, and James Olds.
03:25:12.000Can you actually make a distinction among you and paleoconservatives?
03:25:30.000People like Destiny and Ben Shapiro, like a lot of people say, I don't want to put words in his mouth, but many people say that I'm alt right.
03:25:46.000I mean, there are real differences between us and the other side.
03:25:48.000I mean, for starters, America First, my show, the brand that I've created is explicitly Christian, which is a big difference.
03:25:56.000And this was one of the earlier riffs, even in the dissonant right, like three years ago.
03:26:00.000I remember shortly after Charlottesville, I put out a tweet, something to the effect of, like, we can't save America.
03:26:07.000Like, the American right will never save the country if it's not Christian.
03:26:12.000And all of a sudden, Richard Spencer and Eli Mosley and James Alsup and everybody calls me up on the phone and they're tweeting at me saying, we have to be inclusive to pagans.
03:28:26.000Can you describe the type of studies or meta analysis you would need to see to be convinced that racial behavior, IQ, and outcome differences are due mostly to genes?
03:28:40.000I don't know if it's possible to do studies like that that don't involve actual experimentation, actual things we've set up to do.
03:28:48.000For instance, a couple things that are difficult to measure is that a lot of people bring up adoption studies or whatever, but they fail to account for the fact that sometimes even the womb is an environment.
03:28:57.000Somebody that adopts a kid, wait, never mind.
03:29:01.000Sorry, I just mixed up two completely different things.
03:29:03.000For the twin adoption studies, raising kids in different environments or different schools or whatever can have drastically different outcomes.
03:29:08.000Versus like another twin that wasn't adopted.
03:29:10.000Or for people that get pregnant, obviously, that the womb counts as an environment.
03:29:13.000So, how do you disentangle like genes or IQ from different environments inside the mom?
03:29:17.000You know, based on how the mom's diet goes, determines how much nutrients the child gets, can determine like early life education and whatnot as well, which also has like big outcomes on later stage life.
03:29:26.000There's like, I don't even know enough to know all the problems that exist with trying to separate IQ from environment, but there's a ton of researchers that talk about the difficulty of doing this.
03:29:37.000It's just such a hard fucking thing to study.
03:29:42.000Like, I could start to say some things, but I don't know what all would have to be demonstrated to clearly say, oh, look, we can determine 100% that there is an IQ difference between this group and this group or whatever.
03:33:10.000I understood what he meant with the lefty arc, you know, debating fellow lefties, but I actually didn't understand what he meant with the end.
03:33:53.000So I just wanted to say, although Destiny doesn't hate blacks and Jews and gays like the rest of us, I think he seems like a pretty nice guy.
03:43:07.000Hey, I just wanted to say to Nick that I've been watching his show since his interview with Yusuf, and he really brings out he's one of the main nationalists.
03:46:34.000I said, we whites are Protoss, and blacks and Hispanics are like Zerg, and they're rival clans, and they're going to fight if we put their bases next to each other.
03:52:17.000I wanted to show the Zoom clips, and JF did not want to show them.
03:52:21.000And I told him that it was not his show, which it was not, and which he found out very brutally because he went to making tens of thousands of dollars per month to making like one.
03:54:03.000You know how I said last call, and then like 15 people.
03:54:06.000This is like our fourth last caller, yeah.
03:54:08.000No, that was the actual last caller, though, because you know, we're way over budget.
03:54:14.000Nick Puentes, who wasn't scheduled for the morning show, yeah, no, it's actually only 10 40 years, it's almost 10 at four, but here it's like, are we do we still get arrested here for driving out too late?
03:54:36.000Mr. Nick Fuentes, thank you for coming back to the Killstream.
03:54:39.000It's been since February, late February, about a week before I saw you in person in Washington, D.C. at the mega successful AF PAC conference.