Dr. E. Michael Jones is a former professor from St. Mary's University, the author of many books, a lecturer, and the publisher of Culture Wars Magazine. Dr. Jones has been making the rounds on the Internet, and has been the subject of countless super chats. In this episode, he talks about the idea of Logos and why it is so popular with young people, and why he thinks it could be the key to the future of the world. He also discusses the dangers of social engineering and the role of technology in modern society, and how it affects our ability to think critically and critically about the problems we are all facing. He also talks about why he believes that chaos is the opposite of chaos, and what it means to be a Christian in a world that is ruled by social engineering, social control, and other forms of "form of social control." He is also the founder of The Logos Project, a group dedicated to understanding the meaning of the word "logos" and the importance of "chaos" in the modern world. He has been a regular contributor to the New York Times, CNN, and many other publications, and is a frequent guest on many other media outlets, including the BBC, NPR, NPR and the BBC. He is a regular guest on the Today Show, and a frequent contributor on the BBC Radio 4 Breakfast Show. and NPR Radio. The View From The Ground floor. America First. is a show hosted by Nicholas J. Fuentes and hosted by Nick Fenton. America First is a Friday nights at 7pm Eastern Standard Time. This episode is a must-listen to America First! and America First, a show that will be available on all major news outlets, and will also be available wherever you get a copy of America First? and much more. in the USA First on the internet. on our social media platforms. Thank you for listening to this show? Subscribe to the America First podcast? Subscribe on Apple Podcasts and subscribe on your favorite streaming platform? Learn more about your ad-free version of the show? Subscribe on iTunes and other podcasting platforms? If you're looking for the latest updates, please consider subscribing to the show recommendations, we'll be giving us a shoutout on our podcast recommendations and reviews on social media links in the next episode of the podcast, and we'll also be giving out shoutouts!
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00:13:13.000Normally we're doing casual Friday, but tonight we have to have a little bit more of a formal look because we have a very, very special guest with us.
00:13:21.000This is probably, perhaps, I don't even think perhaps, definitely our most requested guest, Dr. E. Michael Jones, a man who needs no introduction, but we'll give him one anyway.
00:13:45.000Yes, thank you so much for taking the time today.
00:13:48.000Like I said, you're a bit of a legend on our show.
00:13:51.000We've been doing it for about two years, and I don't know for how long, I think at least about a year and a half, you have been the subject of countless Super Chats, comments, get E. Michael Jones on the show, and so it is great to finally be with you.
00:14:04.000I see that you have been sort of making the rounds on a lot of these
00:14:08.000Internet shows I saw you on Canada first with Faith Goldie earlier in the week and you've been on some other shows and really doing a lot of heavy Media stuff and I just want to ask right at the outset before we get into anything substantive It seems to me that you're rapidly growing in popularity I think a lot of people are getting interested in your books in your ideas and it seems to be a lot of young people actually
00:14:31.000And so I wanted to ask you, what do you think you would attribute that level of interest to in your ideas?
00:14:37.000That so many young people seem to be interested in this idea of Logos or Catholicism or America First.
00:14:45.000Well, the main reason is that Logos is the opposite of chaos.
00:14:50.000And chaos is the way this generation has been raised in one way or another.
00:14:56.000They've been abused by the culture that is supposed to take care of them.
00:15:01.000They have been lured into debt, crushing debt.
00:15:06.000They grew up with pornography on their cell phones.
00:15:10.000They've been subjected to the most ruthless form of social engineering and political control.
00:15:31.000It's become more and more sophisticated, and it's become more and more technologically intrusive at the same time.
00:15:38.000So when I was growing up, if you wanted to call someone on the phone, you had to go to something hanging on the wall and had a wire attached to it, and you couldn't look at pictures.
00:15:46.000Well, now you've got people who are carrying around these little devices and they're staring at them all day, all day.
00:15:56.000And these devices, they don't quite understand.
00:16:00.000They haven't understood that they're forms of control, but now we've got a generation that's waking up to the fact that, yeah, it's forms of control.
00:16:39.000That's such a great answer, and I think it's so true, particularly with the latest generation, my generation, Generation Z, because you're exactly right, as you describe.
00:16:47.000I think you can look at every area of modern life, and it's, as you say, it's chaos, it's problems, it's forms of social control.
00:17:20.000A book that is upcoming about this subject.
00:17:22.000Could you just give a little bit of a reader's digest, a little bit of a summary of what is this idea of Logos and why is it the answer to the future of the West?
00:17:31.000Yeah, I came across this idea when I did the Jewish Revolutionary Spirit.
00:17:42.000The Israel lobby had dragged America into another war in the Middle East, and I kept saying, well, it's the Jews who are doing this, and nobody was allowed to say it.
00:17:50.000So I decided, well, first of all, I have to define what a Jew is.
00:17:53.000And I couldn't do it without Logos, without the word Logos.
00:17:58.000I studied Greek when I was an undergraduate.
00:18:03.000I remember that book, the Greek dictionary, five columns, page after page of
00:18:09.000Definitions of English words that all went back to that one word Logos.
00:18:21.000It goes to the heart of what we are because we are rational creatures.
00:18:26.000And this was discovered during this one of the greatest periods of intellectual development in human history, which is when the Greeks in Ionia started examining the world they lived in.
00:18:54.000And so, I came to the conclusion in the Jewish revolutionary spirit that the Jew, the definition of the Jew was basically the people that were waiting for the Messiah, and when the Messiah came, they killed them.
00:19:07.000And when they killed him, they made an attack on Logos, because he is the Logos incarnate.
00:19:14.000And when you do that, when you reject Logos, you become a revolutionary, and that's what they've been ever since.
00:19:21.000So the turning point in history came when St.
00:19:25.000John basically wrote the Gospel in Greek and began it with the word Logos.
00:19:33.000He said in the beginning there was Logos,
00:19:36.000And Logos was with God, and Logos is God.
00:19:39.000So all of that striving on the part of these Greeks, these people who are honestly trying to understand the universe, all of that striving was accepted by Christianity.
00:19:51.000It wasn't rejected by it, and it was incorporated into Christianity, and it was raised to a higher level by revelation of God revealing Himself in a way that we could never figure out.
00:20:03.000And so it solved the problem of the Greek philosophers.
00:20:07.000Because Plato said that God cared for you.
00:20:35.000Things we've all grown up with, you know, we all know there are churches out there, we all know that Jesus Christ is part of that church, but we don't understand how it fits into the big picture, because Christianity has been disrupted by various movements, Protestantism being one of them.
00:20:51.000It became an emotional thing, but if you get back to its original meaning, and right now I'm talking about the Gospel of Saint John, and talking about in the beginning there was Logos,
00:21:06.000It is reason raised to a higher level, and that's what I'm trying to explain in this book.
00:21:11.000That's so eloquently well said and wonderful.
00:21:15.000I think there is a lot of interest in that concept because it is so essential, you know, and I think that was a big part of my religious understanding, is understanding that there seems to be an order to the universe.
00:21:41.000You know, revolutionaries, as you say, sort of deviating from the plan.
00:21:46.000One of the biggest myths is people saying the Dark Ages was brought on by Christianity.
00:21:51.000That once the medieval times came and Christianity was spread, that you had this gap from the ancients, you know, the Romans and the Greeks, and then until the Enlightenment.
00:22:00.000And I think that's so important, what you're talking about, that actually it was Christianity which elevated those ancient philosophers and all the ancient knowledge, so...
00:22:38.000And I think the big question that has been raised is, is it possible to solve some of these problems or, you know, the big problems of modernity, of leftism, of liberalism, with a secular right-wing?
00:22:58.000Or do you think to some extent religion is necessary or maybe the only authentic right-wing conservative movement that can fix the country?
00:23:07.000Well, the whole point of Logos is to transcend this artificial distinction between church and state.
00:24:35.000It can be proven that there has to be a God.
00:24:40.000Once we clear the ground there now, you eliminate a whole series of fruitless discussions with atheists, because atheism is no longer an ontological problem.
00:24:52.000It's a psychological problem, largely because atheists have problems with their fathers.
00:24:58.000That's the issue that we need to clarify first of all.
00:25:01.000I think I can clarify this issue to any audience in the world.
00:25:05.000As a matter of fact, it was in India that a Hindu boy asked me the question of whether I could prove the existence of God.
00:25:14.000So it's a conversation that everybody wants to know, and this conversation will
00:25:19.000transcend this artificial distinction between church and state, which was established during the time of the Enlightenment to avoid the religious wars that flowed from Protestantism.
00:25:31.000This has been the default setting of our culture for its entirety, from the beginning.
00:25:35.000Now, I'm not trying to say that separation of church and state existed then as it does today.
00:25:41.000It created after World War II as a weapon against the Catholic Church.
00:25:46.000But this notion that religion is umptile a private matter, and that nobody will ever agree on fundamental basic issues, has led to the situation we are in today.
00:26:01.000Because if you remove religion or any discussion of logos from the public sphere, what you're doing is basically handing the public sphere over to the rich and the powerful.
00:26:12.000And that's the situation we're in right now.
00:26:15.000Absolutely, and I think that's a great answer.
00:26:58.000I know you've written a book called the slaughter of the cities and it talks about sort of the ethnic groups in the inner cities and the relationship in your mind in the United States between the Protestants the Jews and the Catholics which you call are the three different races in the country and so somebody who's living in the western suburbs of Chicago
00:27:17.000And I see what goes on on the nightly news, and I'm sure a lot of people can relate.
00:27:20.000People who live maybe around LA or New York City or live around the big cities.
00:27:24.000You know, we see nothing but ruin, chaos, just terrible things happening in our cities.
00:27:30.000And a lot of people on the right, you know, a lot of the mainstream type people will tell us that the reason for this is, well, it's democratic policies, right?
00:29:16.000What happened at this time is that blacks were hauled up from the South.
00:29:21.000There was a labor shortage during the war.
00:29:25.000The blacks, who were the sharecroppers in the South, were the only source of labor available to make up for the 11 million men who had been shipped off to Europe.
00:29:36.000These were people brought in to work in the factories.
00:30:34.000And when the black people come and they drive you out of their neighborhoods, you move to the suburb, and at that point, you become white.
00:30:41.000And one of the greatest triumphs of the social engineers during this period of time was convincing Catholics that they were white.
00:30:50.000The classic example of this was Martin Luther King.
00:30:53.000This is an iconic moment in Chicago history.
00:30:56.000Martin Luther King shows up in Chicago in 1966, and no one knows why he's there.
00:31:03.000The black ministers wrote a letter, published a letter, a full page ad in one of the Chicago papers telling them to go back home because you don't understand Chicago.
00:31:15.000There are no segregated water fountains in Chicago.
00:31:33.000Well, what are the people of Marquette Park?
00:31:35.000Well, before Martin Luther King showed up, they were Lithuanians and they were Catholics.
00:31:41.000As soon as Martin Luther King shows up, they become white.
00:31:45.000And at this point, they lost the battle.
00:31:47.000Because as soon as you're white, you're a racist.
00:31:50.000And what we've seen over this period of time, from then all the way up to today, it's the same political thing, getting more and more draconian, more and more ruthless in the extermination of ideas that they don't like, and the literal subjugation of certain populations, the dispersal of certain populations.
00:32:52.000So what you're talking about is a huge experiment in manipulating the populations of all of the countries of North America and Western Europe as a form of bringing these groups under control that has existed and developed and become worse and worse to this day.
00:33:13.000I think that's some very fascinating history, and it's totally true.
00:33:17.000You know, I think you'd be hard-pressed to look at all the cities in North America, you know, the United States and Canada, or in Europe, and you see the kind of division and chaos and the problems there, and it's hard to say that that is simply the result of Democrat policy, the result of unintended consequences, as opposed to a deliberate attempt at social control.
00:33:36.000It's hard to see anything else other than that going on, and I personally can attest to that.
00:34:01.000So tell me a little bit how this plays into, because I think you have a very interesting take on this in America.
00:34:06.000A lot of the dissident right, a lot of the reactionaries look at America, and they look at the demographic future of America.
00:34:13.000And they see white, black, Hispanic, Asian, you know, the different ethnic groups.
00:34:18.000And I've heard you in different interviews, and I think you write in the Slaughter Cities that you see a little bit differently.
00:34:23.000You see the real ethnic categories, or the real breakdown of these different demographic groups, as opposed to being all the various ethnicities, more so reflected in their religious traditions.
00:34:34.000The Protestants, the Catholics, and the Jews.
00:34:36.000And so could you extrapolate and explain a little bit about how that relationship between these groups works, and
00:34:41.000Yeah, it's the theory is a sociological theory and it was called the triple melting pot and it was created in the 1930s to try to explain ethnic existence or ethnic development in the United States of America.
00:35:00.000Now, everybody has pretty much had the same experience.
00:35:05.000Whether you're Mexican now or whether you were Irish a hundred years ago, it's pretty much the same experience.
00:35:16.000You're brought here because you're cheap labor.
00:35:18.000They want you to mow the lawns and do the crappy jobs.
00:35:21.000And then you settle into a neighborhood or a parish, if you're Catholic, where you can talk to the people, which is important.
00:35:31.000Because if you're Polish, you can't talk to the people here.
00:35:34.000And you can't talk to other Catholics either.
00:35:37.000And so as a result, we have a city like South Bend, where within a block you've got the Polish parish and the Irish parish and the German parish.
00:35:44.000Because when those people came over here, they were all Catholic, but they couldn't talk to each other.
00:35:49.000So over a period of three generations, what happens is that you lose your identification with your country of origin, but you do not lose your ethnic identity.
00:36:01.000Your ethnic identity becomes your religion.
00:36:04.000And so, in other words, America is a country
00:36:09.000I didn't figure this out until I did a book on Yugoslavia when I realized Yugoslavia is America, America is Yugoslavia.
00:36:20.000Instead of Protestant Catholic Jew, it's Serb, Croat, and Muslim, but they're three ethnic groups and they're always fighting each other in Yugoslavia and the United States.
00:36:30.000The difference is everybody knows they fight each other in Yugoslavia, but in America we're all supposed to be Americans.
00:36:37.000In America, they have things like the Melding Pot pageant, which was put on by the propaganda ministry during World War One, which is basically the ethnic groups show up in their costumes in a park, like a baseball field.
00:37:12.000And what happens is that you become a Catholic, a Protestant or a Jew.
00:37:16.000So if you come from Germany, OK, at the beginning, you will be speaking with other Germans and you live in places like Cincinnati and you become this kind of German general generic German.
00:37:27.000But over the course of three generations, that group will split up into Protestants and Catholics.
00:37:32.000Because that is the division in Germany.
00:37:37.000Because there is a real content to being a Catholic or a Protestant or a Jew.
00:37:42.000Unlike being white, which has no identity whatsoever.
00:37:46.000Being white simply means the negative of being black.
00:37:50.000And so as a result, it can be easily manipulated by the oligarchs.
00:37:56.000And that is precisely what we're seeing in our day.
00:38:00.000OK, the promotion of white nationalism on the one side and black nationalism on the other.
00:38:07.000Black Lives Matter is being supported by George Soros because what they want is racial conflict, because the government then can come in and say, I'm the referee.
00:38:25.000The only thing that's changed over this period of time is the identity of the proxy warriors.
00:38:31.000So after World War II, the proxy warriors were black people from the South, okay, and now they are homosexuals.
00:38:38.000The homosexual is the ideal citizen, and I say this
00:38:42.000From experience coming from South Bend, Indiana, where our homosexual mayor is now living out the narcissistic fantasy that he's nurtured from his childhood.
00:38:53.000He thinks he's going to be elected president of the United States of America.
00:38:57.000You are being subjected to a same version in Chicago, I hear, another type of narcissistic fantasy.
00:39:08.000That is the avant-garde of the revolution right now.
00:39:11.000I think that's actually a very interesting explanation and interesting take.
00:39:15.000I mean, I think that a lot of people understand generally the problem of, you know, different populations being used against one another, different underclasses or fringe classes being used as proxies or foot soldiers against the majority or something.
00:39:29.000But the first time I heard your idea, which you say actually comes from that 1930s book about the Jew, the Catholics, the Protestants, I think it's really fresh and adds a little bit of depth because I think you do see a lot of
00:41:03.000And the name for the female who's a proxy warrior is feminist.
00:41:08.000And so what you saw over the 19—the intermediary step, okay, between the black as the proxy warrior in the cities like Chicago and the homosexual as the proxy warrior today was the woman as the proxy warrior.
00:41:23.000And this was known as the feminist movement.
00:41:26.000A movement that was controlled by Jews.
00:41:28.000The most prominent feminists were all Jews.
00:41:31.000Betty Friedan, Betty Goldstein was her maiden name, was a communist.
00:41:37.000And what she saw and what many people saw at that time was a development of class struggle into gender struggle.
00:41:46.000In other words, you can pit one group against each other.
00:41:49.000And what better way to do this than pitting male against female?
00:41:53.000Because it goes all the way back to the beginning, doesn't it?
00:41:56.000You know, Adam and Eve had problems in paradise.
00:42:00.000And if they have problems in paradise, you're going to have problems here, too.
00:42:04.000And so there are people who can come in now and instrumentalize this, the most sacred of all relationships, which because it creates new life and turn it into a field of warfare, which is precisely what happened during the 1970s.
00:42:19.000OK, the reason I am not a professor at a Catholic college anymore is because of feminism, because the feminists had taken over what was a female Catholic institution and turned it into a feminist
00:43:00.000And that was the reason why feminism was promoted by all of the oligarchic institutions during the 1970s.
00:43:07.000That was the purpose of the Equal Rights Amendment, which did get defeated, by the way.
00:43:12.000But the point here would be they would come up with slogans like equal pay for equal work.
00:43:19.000Who can argue with equal pay for equal work?
00:43:24.000Well, you can't unless you know what the previous formula was, which was the family wage.
00:43:32.000During the 1950s, we had a great surge of prosperity based on the fact that a man was now entitled to earn a wage that would allow him to support a family.
00:43:58.000as the conflict between labor and usury.
00:44:01.000The main reason that Florence, which was the most advanced culture in Europe in the 15th century, the main reason that culture failed is because they refused to pay a family wage.
00:44:12.000If you do not pay a family wage, that means women cannot bear children.
00:44:18.000A man cannot afford to support his family.
00:44:20.000If women cannot bear children, then the workforce disappears.
00:44:24.000Overnight, in the course of one generation, which is precisely what happened to Florence, which went from being the most prosperous economy in Europe at that time to being a museum, which is what it is today.
00:44:37.000That's what happened during this period of time.
00:44:39.000So feminism, by promoting women's rights, effectively destroyed the ability of a man to provide for his family.
00:44:50.000This thing led to the situation we have today, which, if you're lucky, you and your wife will have a job and you and your wife will have to work, both of you, to achieve what your father and your grandfather got simply by having the man work.
00:45:09.000That is the net result of the long-term result of the 19th Amendment.
00:45:15.000That is how women got weaponized, and that's the situation we live in today.
00:45:19.000So I'm sitting in New York City on a bench, Washington Square and Greenwich Village, and there is a woman.
00:45:26.000I was sitting next to another woman and she's saying, I was eating my cheese sandwich on my sofa last night and I burst into tears because I realized I have no friends, I have no family, I have nothing but this job that sucks the labor out of me for 70 hours a week.
00:46:49.000Number one, I think it's so important to talk about the economic consequences of feminism.
00:46:53.000I think that's probably the last thing a lot of people consider.
00:46:56.000A lot of young people are introduced to anti-feminism or skepticism, criticism.
00:47:02.000About so-called third or fourth wave feminism because of its effects on things like video games or movies.
00:47:07.000But I think far less considered is, like you said, the economic consequence which is the halving of wages, which is the effect on the labor force, which is so critical, so important in explaining a variety of things.
00:47:18.000Like you said, the fertility rates being predominant, that if you don't have a man in the house making
00:47:24.000family wage you can't have kids and also great answer because the life advice and and congratulations on 50 years of its 50 years this year very big achievement of course of course and great to see be so much divorce these days so so truly uh multifaceted answer there and
00:47:40.000It's good to hear because the feminism stuff I'm with you is probably the worst, right?
00:47:44.000We're going to shift gears a little bit because we want to get your take on a couple of different subjects and so I want to hear what you have to say about this next subject and then we're going to take questions from the audience via the super chats.
00:48:00.000So shifting gears a little bit, we want to fit in one more topic here.
00:48:03.000There's been a lot of talk lately about Iran.
00:48:05.000Of course, President Trump came into office, he got inaugurated in 2017, and it seemed to me, my analysis has been, that the focus from the outset was on North Korea, as opposed to Iran in the previous administration.
00:48:18.000But gradually, I think over the last year, we've seen this intensification or escalation of our conflict with Iran.
00:49:44.000Because Donald Trump needed the support of this group of people in order to fend off the attempt of the deep state to basically drive him out of office.
00:49:54.000This is a pact we call a Faustian pact.
00:51:15.000We talk about that issue a lot on this show.
00:51:18.000You know, even you look at the Clean Break Memo in 1996, you don't really even have to look too deep to find what is pretty apparent, pretty obvious, and obvious to everybody in Washington, D.C.
00:51:27.000And you look at, for example, something like Syria, where they're now blaming
00:51:31.000The Assad regime for chemical weapons attacks.
00:51:34.000This is, I think, the fourth or the fifth such claim by this administration.
00:51:38.000The first chemical weapons claim was made in April 2017.
00:52:14.000But the situation in... I'm sorry, I meant Syria.
00:52:18.000Every time he tries to pull out of Syria.
00:52:20.000The situation in Syria is very simple.
00:52:22.000It followed from Hillary Clinton's destruction of Libya and her murdering Muammar Gaddafi.
00:52:30.000That worked like a charm, and so according to that plan you mentioned, the next stop on that line was Syria, and at this point it didn't work.
00:52:41.000OK, for the first time, the whole proxy warrior thing, all those proxy warriors that got sent into Libya, they were not the Libyan people.
00:52:50.000They were foreigners who were trying to overthrow Gaddafi because they were being paid to do so.
00:52:55.000At that point, after that happened, we moved them to Syria, where they also became known as freedom fighters.
00:53:02.000They were also an alien group fighting there.
00:53:05.000But at this point, Russia finally regained its strength as a world power.
00:53:12.000They combined with Iran and with Hezbollah, and they defeated the United States and Syria.
00:53:22.000They're trying to keep some type of residual force there so that they can stir up trouble, which is probably what they're trying to do right now, but they lost that war.
00:53:31.000Once they lose that war, Israel feels threatened.
00:53:36.000And once Israel feels threatened, they have to come over here and yank the chain of the lapdogs in Congress.
00:53:43.000You remember Benjamin Netanyahu coming here, did it twice, shows up, just swaggers in, I'm going to speak to Congress, whether Obama likes it or not, and he gets 27 standing ovations from the lapdogs in Congress, because they're all taking IPAC money.
00:54:02.000OK, and even the New York Times reported if they didn't jump up and give a standing ovation, IPAC was there to take down their name and to fund an opponent to them in the next election.
00:54:14.000This is the simple fact of our political system right now.
00:54:19.000And the fact that nobody can talk about it is a sign of how tyrannical the situation has become.
00:54:25.000This is not the reason I voted for Donald Trump.
00:54:29.000I voted for Donald Trump because I heard America first in his voice.
00:54:36.000We have Israel first now, and all I can pray for is that we don't go to war, because America is faced with a choice at this point.
00:54:45.000The American empire is going to go down.
00:54:49.000The American empire has already lost control of the Eurasian landmass, which is something that the Anglo-American empire is never allowed to do, but it's already happened.
00:54:59.000So the only choice now is, are we going to have a peaceful end to the American empire through negotiation, or are we going to have a violent end through an invasion of Iran, which will lead to the violent end of the American empire and probably the end of Israel as well?
00:55:18.000That's the choice we're faced with right now.
00:56:55.000Could you explain, sort of going off on that, could you explain a little bit about Culture Wars Magazine for people that may be familiar with your books or your interviews but not so much familiar with Culture Wars?
00:57:08.000Mary's College, I started a magazine, got out of academe.
00:57:12.000That magazine was called Fidelity, and it was about the situation in the Catholic Church, the battle in the Catholic Church, the situation that led up to a situation where a professor could be fired at a Catholic college for being against abortion.
00:57:27.000By the mid-90s, I realized that after I'd done the biography of Cardinal Kroll of Philadelphia, I realized that the source of this problem was not inside the Catholic Church.
00:58:02.000And I translated it as culture wars in the 1990s.
00:58:06.000And I think it was because through this instrument, I've been able to talk about the situation as it exists.
00:58:14.000I've been able to explain how psychological warfare works.
00:58:18.000And I think people, once they understand it, it doesn't work anymore, especially the form of psychological warfare known as sexual liberation.
00:58:27.000Once you know that it's a trap, you know, we're all weak.
00:58:30.000We all have these desires that get out of control, out of the control of reason.
00:58:34.000But if you know you're walking into a trap, it's not quite the same, you know.
00:58:42.000We have people from all over the world reporting.
00:58:46.000And also we have a discussion, a really intelligent discussion in the letters column.
00:58:50.000So you're linked up with people who are, it's more in depth.
00:58:54.000I mean, some people say the magazine is an obsolete form of technology, but it does have the ability to deal with issues in depth in a way that you don't get on the Internet.
00:59:04.000Yeah, that's really wonderful and it's great because there are so few resources these days where I think people can go to for reliable, authentic, logos-oriented information or conversation.
00:59:16.000And, you know, on the magazine being, you know, maybe anachronistic or out of date, I would say the magazine is actually the future because you see all across the internet people are getting shut down and
00:59:26.000I have the names of people, everyone who's bought a book, and if I get shut down, I can still contact people, for example, when the low-cost book comes out.
00:59:45.000Which shouldn't be too far in the future.
00:59:56.000And that's why that infrastructure is so important.
00:59:58.000I think, uh, you know, in, in five or 10 years when things really start, I mean, things are already pretty rough with censorship, but when, you know, you're going to find there's going to be like one or two people left standing, I think you'll find that,
01:00:11.000People who have that kind of a print catalog or they have that kind of a registry or you know a database of names or something That's gonna be very valuable We're gonna take a look.
01:00:19.000We've got a few more questions here Here's another one.
01:00:22.000It says doctor Can we agree that only Catholicism ever defended European culture and that the Catholic Church built European culture?
01:00:30.000Can you explain the process was not Luther Martin Luther?
01:00:33.000I assume a tool of Jewish subversion a pretty good question and
01:00:37.000Okay, first of all, Martin Luther was not a tool of Jewish subversion.
01:00:42.000He wrote two very strident articles against the Jews.
01:00:49.000The second one being especially strident.
01:00:51.000The second one, by the way, violating the Church's teaching, which was Seque Udeus Non, because Luther was actually advocating harming the Jews, which the Catholic Church never did.
01:01:15.000The Roman Empire collapsed when my barbarian ancestors crossed the Danube and the Rhine and began looting and pillaging, which they did for centuries.
01:01:27.000The only thing that turned my barbarian Germanic ancestors into civilized people was the Catholic Church.
01:01:35.000I got into trouble just yesterday with Richard Spencer.
01:01:46.000I'm just saying Africa never had any unity.
01:01:52.000Geographically, it didn't have any unity.
01:01:55.000Above the Sahara, you've got Muslim culture.
01:01:57.000Below the Sahara, you've got a black culture, which is animist, traditionally animist.
01:02:02.000On the coast, you have all kinds of colonies.
01:02:04.000There's no unity to Africa whatsoever.
01:02:06.000The only unity that is emerging in Africa now is through Christianity, and that's exactly what happened in Europe during this period of time, okay?
01:02:16.000My barbarian German ancestors loved chasing pigs through the forest.
01:02:55.000A thousand years ago, Europe was on the brink of becoming Africa because they had the Vikings.
01:03:03.000I don't offend any Scandinavians, but the Vikings were barbarians, constantly sailing up the rivers of France, burning down everything they found in their way.
01:03:16.000And they had the Saracens coming up from the bottom.
01:03:19.000It looked as if Europe was going to die strangling the cradle and fail the failed experiment after the failure of the Roman Empire.
01:03:27.000The only thing that saved Europe from that fate during this period of time was the Catholic Church, because the Catholic Church provided an operating system that worked on Logos.
01:03:39.000And Logos is the order of the universe, and that order of the universe got implemented in one of the greatest
01:03:45.000Civilizations and social orders in the history of man.
01:04:06.000And I think a lot of people in the audience will appreciate that because people were a little bit skeptical, I think, of your tweet.
01:04:13.000So, I think that's actually a great explanation.
01:04:15.000I know a lot of people are texting me, you gotta ask him about the Africa tweet, you know, what did he mean by this?
01:04:21.000You know, but that's a great explanation.
01:04:22.000I said before, I did a book on Julius Nureyra, I was in Tanzania three years ago, and there's this brochure, and it's a partnership between the Diocese of Mbinga and the Diocese of Würzburg.
01:04:36.000Okay, Diocese of Mbinga is founded in 1983.
01:04:39.000The Diocese of Würzburg is founded in 830.
01:04:43.000What's the difference between Würzburg and Mbinga?
01:04:47.000It's a thousand years of Christianity, specifically Catholicism, specifically the Benedictines teaching the Germans how to work, where they created the most skilled workforce in the world.
01:04:58.000Why do you think people buy BMWs all over the world?
01:05:02.000That's because the difference between Africa, I've said it before, I get in trouble every time I say it, but the difference between Africa and Würzburg and Binga is a thousand years of learning how to work at the feet of the Benedictines.
01:05:27.000We've got one from AIbot who says, Dr. Jones, what are your thoughts concerning space exploration and potential future extraterrestrial colonization?
01:05:36.000How do you reconcile modern science with classical faith?
01:05:41.000Space exploration is something that robots should do.
01:05:45.000Okay, it's a waste of time, but if it's robots, okay.
01:06:59.000That's a little bit of a controversial one because I think there is, you know, obviously a lot of Catholics do fall into the traditionalist camp.
01:07:07.000I don't think you describe yourself as a traditionalist.
01:07:09.000So there is always the question of do we embrace the technology or this, you know, futuristic type stuff.
01:07:15.000So that's, it's interesting to get your take on that.
01:07:18.000We've got one from Harold Haraldson who says, what are your thoughts on Malcolm X and how would you compare him to MLK, who had the better vision for black America?
01:08:10.000Martin Luther King was being paid to promote integration and was
01:08:17.000instrumental in, I think, creating a loss of Black identity.
01:08:25.000I think that what happened, to get back to Philadelphia, one of the worst things that ever happened in Philadelphia was that the Blacks, the Jesuits in North Philadelphia were watching the Blacks come up from the South.
01:08:39.000They're destroying their neighborhoods and they go to Cardinal Dougherty in the 1930s and they say, let's create a Black ethnic parish.
01:08:47.000I think it was a great idea, because it fit in exactly with every other ethnic parish.
01:08:52.000It gave the blacks an ethnic identity, and Doherty for some reason turned them down, and that was the beginning of the end, because then the blacks became the super-ethnic group, the ethnic group that never did anything wrong.
01:09:07.000The ethnic group that became the proxy warriors, and they suffered as a result of that.
01:09:12.000And Martin Luther King was part of that instrument that destroyed this aspect of black culture.
01:09:19.000The blacks in, I think it was Charleston, South Carolina, did the same thing the blacks in Chicago did.
01:09:24.000They had a black establishment, a local establishment.
01:09:28.000Martin Luther King shows up and he obliterates the local establishment and creates a national establishment in its place.
01:09:36.000Well, that's pretty much what happened here.
01:09:38.000That's what happened across the board.
01:09:40.000And so I think that the result was that blacks lost their ethnic identity.
01:09:45.000And as a result, they suffered like every other group that loses its ethnic identity.
01:09:49.000They became these rootless people living in high rise buildings on the south side of Chicago that were prey to all sorts of the vices that go along with being that type of immigrant group.
01:09:59.000So in many ways, I can sympathize with what Malcolm X was doing.
01:11:12.000He did not believe in allowing either the Alpine race or the Mediterranean race into the United States of America and change the immigration laws to keep Poles, Italians and Eastern Europeans in general out of America.
01:11:31.000I just had a conversation with a man of Swedish extraction whose grandfather told him that he had worked in the steel mills of Chicago and he was persecuted by the Poles.
01:11:45.000Now, in his grandfather's generation, there was no such thing as a white guy.
01:11:49.000You were a Pole or you were a Swede, and you were fighting over that job that you had in the steel mills.
01:11:55.000I'm saying this is a real ethnic identity.
01:11:58.000I've already talked about how that mutates into the American religious ethnic identity.
01:12:06.000That's the real reality of this situation.
01:12:10.000And speaking of somebody who is the child of ethnics, I guess you could say in America, it is definitely a fact that the white racial thing is totally a construct.
01:12:21.000You know, I have Irish family, you know, and I hear the way that they talk about some of the other groups in Chicago, you know, the Poles or Eastern Europeans or other people.
01:12:30.000And I could tell you, you know, this sort of love fest with
01:13:55.000The wage situation is worse now than it was when I was growing up and worse than when my father was growing up.
01:14:01.000So what I see is these things like, my friend,
01:14:07.000My 28-year-old friend who knows carpentry and can work with that and can make a living and probably start a family with what he can do with that.
01:15:23.000You sexualize the clergy, they will immediately lose any type of connection with God.
01:15:29.000And then you can just they will leave of their own accord, which is precisely what happened in the 60s.
01:15:35.000Sexualize the clergy, the heterosexuals.
01:15:38.000decide to leave because they want to get married, and they can't be married in the church, and this concentrates the percentage of homosexuals in the clergy.
01:15:48.000Over a period of time, these people reached positions of power, and they could determine the course of church policy, which is precisely what McCarrick did.
01:15:57.000So right now we have a crisis because the church, that last synod in Rome, refused to deal with homosexuality as the root of the problem.
01:16:05.000And you've got orders like the Jesuits, which is basically the avant-garde of the homosexual movement in the church, and Jesuits like James Martin, who should be disciplined but can preach homosexuality, can preach sodomy with impunity.
01:16:18.000So you're right, there is a crisis right now in the church over the homosexual mafia.
01:16:23.000That's a great answer, and very important because, you know, so many people, they watch this show, I think they watch your content, Dr. Jones, and they like the idea of Catholicism.
01:16:33.000You know, they're sold on the content, they're sold on logos, they're sold on everything, and unfortunately it seems like this sex scandal, the Lavender Mafia stuff, really is sort of pushing people away.
01:16:44.000So, it's good that we have people like you.
01:18:26.000So, what we're gonna do is we'll finish off these Super Chats, we'll read the rest of them, and then that should do it for us for the evening, alright?
01:18:33.000Let me get my headphones off so I can hear myself a little bit.
01:19:14.000I think, you know, I don't know about you guys, but what I heard from that interview was wagies, uh, Germanics, the Alpines, the Nords, pagans, uh, it sounds like racialists, wignats, all these people basically blown out.
01:19:32.000Seems like Dr. Jones is very much on the right side of history.
01:19:35.000If you watch this show, you watch Dr. Jones, it seems like there's pretty consistent who's on the list of who was cancelled in 2019.
01:19:42.000I think Dr. Jones hit all the right marks there, right?
01:19:45.000But we're gonna take a look, we'll take a look at our Super Chats, we'll see what everybody's saying here.
01:19:50.000Apologize if we could not get to your question.
01:19:54.000Obviously, there's a lot of questions, only so much time.
01:19:57.000We took about 20 minutes out of the show, so...
01:20:00.000I thought that was appropriate, but you know, maybe we'll get him on another time, and we'll be able to field some more questions, but I thought it was pretty fun.
01:20:06.000I thought we did a pretty good job of getting to as many as possible.
01:21:23.000Haven't had too many run-ins with hapas so far.
01:21:27.000Usually it's a certain other category which dr. Jones Excoriated throughout the show.
01:21:31.000It's really more of the other category.
01:21:33.000It seems to be nefarious Not so much the hoppers a little bit a little bit further west in Asia, West Asia Maybe you say the furthest West right up against the Mediterranean.
01:21:44.000Maybe those are the people we tend to run into problems with Mr. Caymus
01:21:49.000Says, when are you interviewing E. Michael Jones?
01:25:38.000So if I if I seem a little bit if I seem a little bit edgy if I seem like like I don't know like
01:25:45.000Unstable if I seem like Some kind of radioactive particle that's just you know kind of going crazy if I seem a little jittery or off the wall I Have to full disclosure.
01:25:56.000I don't do them often I've only drank like four now in my lifetime, but I know it's it's coming across now I think I think you're starting to see that I'm losing it a little bit so so just full disclosure I did have to
01:28:17.000Patty McGill says... She's asking the question about... She says, Doctor, do cities have unique benefits or are they simply garrisons of the oligarchs who use cities to control?
01:28:27.000A question for Dr. Jones we didn't get to.
01:28:29.000I think we'll skip over the ones that are questions for Dr. Jones.
01:28:39.000He's not here to answer them, obviously.
01:28:41.000Gulliomus says, I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing that right, but he says, Dr. Jones, please read Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio by Pope Paul IV.
01:29:42.000Lock, hide, and all that, but hey, thank you for the big super chat.
01:29:47.000Patty McGill says, subscribe to Culture Wars, or actually we read that when Jones was on.
01:29:52.000Ghouli Almas says, Dr. Jones and Mr. Wemhoff claim that the AGC and the CIA infiltrated Vatican II and influenced the documents, yet he defends Vatican II as the work of the Holy Spirit.
01:30:25.000You know, this is Captain America The First Avenger, okay?
01:30:28.000Captain America Civil War, maybe that's episode two with E. Michael Jones, and then we will bring on the J. Dyer banter.
01:30:36.000We'll bring on, you know, these hard-hitting questions about Vatican II and everything, but I feel like it would be inappropriate if we were just gonna bring them on and, you know, it's gonna be...
01:33:36.000I don't really have the vocabulary to go into it into detail at the moment here.
01:33:41.000Well, I think what E. Michael Jones says, if I could paraphrase a little bit, I don't want to butcher or, you know, put words in his mouth.
01:33:57.000But I think what he's saying is that, uh, you know, whether you believe people are going after whites or Europeans, I think you have to recognize that in spite of that, the white identity is an artificial construction.
01:34:11.000You know, I think you'll find that it really does only apply in terms of, uh, it would make sense if white people joined up and organized with each other on the basis of race because they are under assault.
01:34:48.000What is the substance of a pan-European identity?
01:34:51.000So, I think we're just looking at that with a little bit of depth, you know, and explaining that there are... And even this is explained in Sam Huntington's Who Are We?
01:34:58.000I recommended that book, I think, last night.
01:35:07.000And he is, by the technical definition.
01:35:11.000But Sam Huntington, in his book, he says, and he's totally right on this,
01:35:15.000That identity has different levels of salience, and it's highly context-dependent.
01:35:20.000That you can have ethnic identity, racial identity, religious identity, tribal identity, and they vary in levels of salience in time and place.
01:35:30.000And so, I don't know if I necessarily subscribe entirely to the idea that it's, you know, it is simply race, it is simply this ethnic religious category, but I do think it is important to look at these things
01:35:44.000I think it is important to look at the demographic situation with these different levels of analyses.
01:35:50.000So, to accept dogmatically it is only one way, it is only this division, I think belies the complexity of the subject.
01:35:57.000And that's not a cop-out, it's simply to say that to merely identify, you know, well it's just about race, it's just about religion, it's just about one or the other.
01:36:06.000I think it is a little bit more complicated.
01:36:09.000It might be overly reductive to say that it's purely about religion because I think if you look at Protestants, blacks happen to be Protestants, you know?
01:36:17.000I think you'd find more commonality between a white Catholic and white Protestant than a white Catholic and a black Protestant or a white Protestant and a black Protestant.
01:36:26.000But by the same token, it would be reductive to say that it's only racial because I think there is, you know, a lot in the way of religion and culture and even ideology as well.
01:36:36.000So, I hope that answers your question.
01:36:38.000Maybe that was directed towards you, Michael Jones, but that's sort of my thinking.
01:36:42.000For anybody to say it is dogmatically one way, it is reducible to this one category in every circumstance, I think that's oversimplifying a complicated subject.
01:36:52.000You know, I think there's a lot of frames we can look at it as.
01:37:59.000Don't read into it more than there is, alright?
01:38:02.000If you skip, uh, you know, the NGE build series of movies and you just focus on the series, there's nothing to be ashamed about that goes on in that series, alright?
01:39:46.000Okay, and it's it's a great little mug So I hope I hope you're enjoying it.
01:39:49.000I hope you're getting a lot of usage out of that Neon says what about people who don't follow their ancestors religion?
01:39:57.000I think the argument goes that it's it's a cultural expression maybe of Catholicism or Protestantism Let's see We're gonna try and skip the ones we didn't get to
01:40:13.000Bridgeburner says, thank you both for everything you do, and God bless both of you.
01:41:47.000There are cases where you could be insensitive, or prejudiced, or discriminatory, or hateful against a person based on whatever.
01:41:54.000But that's not really what any of these terms mean.
01:41:56.000You know, I come on the show, and I crack a couple of jokes, and I say, you know, America be better off if it was more racially cohesive, and I get called a racist.
01:42:04.000Well, then you know it's about political control, so...
01:42:18.000I believe they are a communion with Rome.
01:42:20.000Booper says, conservatives in America bash the EU as an all-encompassing entity that tries to control a diverse population.
01:42:27.000I see our federal system is very similar.
01:42:29.000We should create boundaries within our country.
01:42:31.000It's a little bit different, I would say.
01:42:34.000Only because America as a nation, I think, was coherent as a nation-state at some point.
01:42:43.000You know, I think you could say that obviously it has degenerated over time, but you could see very clearly that after the Civil War, and maybe until the time of World War II or
01:42:54.000Perhaps the mid-1960s, there was a sense of cohesive national identity.
01:42:59.000And so you have a nation-state in France, a nation-state in Germany, a nation-state in the United Kingdom, which means there is some, you know, there's some relationship between the nation, which is of course the people, and the state.
01:43:13.000And the state is an expression or representation of the nation, which, of course, this is
01:43:18.000This is the diplomatic revolution, the creation of the modern world, we would say, in a very technical way, with the Treaty of Westphalia in the early 16th century, I believe.
01:43:52.000Definitely, I think, you know, to say that there's no similarities between Brussels and Washington DC, you know, that's obviously not true.
01:43:59.000It's obviously, there are similarities.
01:44:32.000Hello, Relatable Teen Moment department.
01:44:34.000I remember when I was in high school and I didn't rely on Visa gift cards before I bought into the Jewish usury system and got a debit and a credit card.
01:44:41.000That's, you know, I gotta establish credit.
01:45:00.000I think you can transfer funds to PayPal through local locations like I think you go to like 7-eleven correct me if I'm wrong and put money on your PayPal there's like designated places maybe I'm thinking of something else like Amazon or excuse me there's there's something that does that so I don't know I don't know I'm not positive just google it why are you asking me how to put Visa gift card funds on a PayPal because it's through PayPal so I would check that out I'm no expert
01:48:08.000Yikes says why did you block EMJ on Twitter?
01:48:11.000I just can't you just can't get a break literal human garbage says Relative I was a little bit more honest.
01:48:17.000That's kidding joking He says little brain democracy is based because the people should have a voice Big brain democracy is game is the people should not have a voice Galaxy brain democracy is based because the people shouldn't have a voice.
01:48:31.000Ah, I like what you did there I see what you did there.
01:50:56.000You think, just when you thought, I've cultivated a niche cult following of high IQ post-ironic zoomers, and then you like the wrong picture, and all of a sudden, your life is over.
01:51:51.000You know, typically what a pagan posts that picture, and it's very cringe, but a pagan will post this picture.
01:51:58.000I'll totally eliminate the pagan, persecute them wherever they hide, and somebody will post this picture begging for, you know, for a surrender, for a peace.
01:52:08.000And the picture is a cartoon, and it's clown world closing in on two Chad-Aryan heroes, and one is the pagan and one is a Christian, and the Christian says, together, and the pagan says, together.
01:52:23.000Now normally I say, cringe, Pagan Oaks, gay department, but you know, me and Patrick Casey, I could see that happening.
01:52:50.000And then Jared Taylor, perhaps, in the background, and he says, yeah, I'm thinking I'm back, you know, and it's American Renaissance, the Trinity, right?
01:52:59.000So, uh, so, no, I don't block, I don't block Patrick Casey, I don't block E. Michael Jones, I only block cringe naps, alright?
01:53:06.000Anyway, LC17 says, look at E. Michael Jones' Twitter and you'll see... Oh, he says, why can't I see Nick J. Fuetz's Twitter anymore?
01:53:14.000I was just talking to him on the computer and it's Nick Fuetz is blocked.
01:53:19.000E. Michael Jones, a practical joke at my expense.
01:57:16.000You agitated me, okay, or irritated me, with, by sending money to me, okay?
01:57:22.000These superchats getting under my skin, sending five dollars, ten dollars, telling me how to, you know, create content that they'd like to see.
01:57:29.000What, what an annoyance, what a nuisance.