America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - Mike Enoch & White Lives Matter | America First Ep. 44

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00:02:18.000 To redo the introduction, I'm Nicholas J. Fuentes.

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00:02:32.000 We had a conversation with Richard Spencer on Nationalist Review this afternoon.

00:02:32.000 We've had a fun day.

00:02:36.000 I encourage everybody to check that out.

00:02:38.000 It was.

00:02:39.000 Lively, at times contentious, but always civil, always productive.

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00:02:43.000 And now, tonight on America First, we have the right stuff's very own, the Daily Show host, Mike Enoch.

00:02:50.000 Mike, how are you doing?

00:02:52.000 I'm great.

00:02:52.000 Thanks for having me here.

00:02:53.000 Yeah, my pleasure.

00:02:54.000 And good to finally sit down with you.

00:02:56.000 I know it's been kind of an ugly weekend in terms of the optics debate.

00:03:01.000 It devolved, obviously, after the White Lives Matter stuff.

00:03:04.000 There was a lot of conflict.

00:03:06.000 This was reported in Liberty Conservative, USA Today.

00:03:09.000 Some of the things that were going on.

00:03:11.000 But I wanted to have you on, and I got a little bit of criticism for having you on and Spencer on Nationalist Review.

00:03:17.000 But I wanted to have you guys on because this is a conversation that needs to happen about the right and about our plans for what's going to happen in the future.

00:03:25.000 I think we all agree on the core political tenets, but now the conversation needs to be had what do we do moving forward? 0.61

00:03:32.000 So, first and foremost, I want to give you a platform on the White Lives Matter stuff. 0.68

00:03:37.000 Just give me your reaction, and I know we wanted to take it in a very specific direction. 0.67

00:03:43.000 In terms of like counter signaling in general.

00:03:45.000 So, just for people that are a little bit skeptical about WLM, just like give us your reaction here.

00:03:52.000 Okay, now I understand that people did have some issues with some of the presentation and some of the optics coming out of that.

00:03:59.000 And I'm sympathetic to that.

00:04:01.000 I'm actually, I'm not here to fight about that or disagree.

00:04:04.000 I understand, believe me, I understand those issues and I understand the points that people were making.

00:04:09.000 I don't think it was kind of entirely a loss, though.

00:04:12.000 I think there was a couple of good things that came out of it. 0.79

00:04:14.000 One is which, White Lives Matter as a slogan, I think, is a good slogan.

00:04:20.000 I think it's a useful slogan, and it got a conversation going on Twitter that went beyond maybe some of the less presentable optics that came out of the rally itself. 0.89

00:04:31.000 And that's good because White Lives Matter, to me, is the kind of slogan. 0.53

00:04:36.000 Like today, we have these posters going up to say it's okay to be white, and you're getting all these leftist SJW types counter signaling that on Twitter. 0.62

00:04:45.000 And so you get white people being like, hey, wait, what the heck is that?

00:04:49.000 Like, What do you mean it's not okay to be white? 0.87

00:04:52.000 Is that what you're saying? 0.63

00:04:54.000 And so, White Lives Matter had a similar effect. 0.99

00:04:55.000 So, getting that trending was good. 0.83

00:04:58.000 Also, calling attention to the Antioch, Tennessee church shooting where a Somali migrant had shot two whites in the church there, which was a story that was buried by the media for reasons that we're all familiar with.

00:05:11.000 They don't want to call attention to crimes against white people committed by people of color, and particularly economic migrants like Somalis or those that are sort of taken by the State Department.

00:05:24.000 Much of it under Hillary Clinton's direction and placed into white communities.

00:05:28.000 Like they actually, we have these government departments that deliberately look at census data.

00:05:33.000 They see what are the whitest communities in the country, and we need to move some Somalis in there or some other kind of migrants in there because we need to diversify these communities. 1.00

00:05:43.000 These communities are a little bit too happy. 1.00

00:05:45.000 We've got to diversify them. 0.77

00:05:46.000 So the media is on board with this anti white agenda, and they don't want to call attention to this kind of thing. 0.64

00:05:51.000 So those are two things that were good that came out of it calling attention to that and getting the slogan of White Lives Matter trending. 0.68

00:05:57.000 Now, I understand some of the disagreements that people have had with some of the presentation of some of the individuals or groups that were there, and I understand that I don't really want to fight about that, though.

00:06:07.000 I just, I'll leave it at, I understand the concerns.

00:06:09.000 Sure. 0.92

00:06:10.000 And, and yeah, and just to respond to the benefits, like, I understand, like, what they were going for in terms of the White Lives Matter. 0.94

00:06:17.000 I think that's a great slogan. 0.60

00:06:19.000 I think it was a great hashtag because those kinds of messages and that kind of messaging about white identity, I think, appealed to regular people who understand that whites are under attack in the country. 0.60

00:06:32.000 You know, the regular guy, the regular GOP guy in the Midwest or the Northeast or anywhere else in the country who, you know, from millennial to boomer, Who understands what's going on? 0.50

00:06:43.000 They hear that kind of message.

00:06:44.000 They see the reaction that it creates and they come to our side a little bit.

00:06:48.000 Here's where I think it was a negative.

00:06:51.000 And we'll move on to counter signaling in general, but I think it's important just to distinguish some things here.

00:06:57.000 I think that would have been a really great positive.

00:06:59.000 And I'm not going to ask you to disavow.

00:07:01.000 I'm not going to put you in a position where you're going to take a dump on people that you rallied with and people who you're connected with and who you're in the movement with.

00:07:10.000 But I think the double edged sword there was that it was a great slogan, it was a great message.

00:07:16.000 And in the eyes of a lot of people, it was almost like tainted by bad optics.

00:07:22.000 Yeah.

00:07:22.000 I understand that.

00:07:23.000 I actually understand exactly what you're saying.

00:07:24.000 Exactly.

00:07:25.000 But, you know, I think it is important to move on in general.

00:07:28.000 But I just think where I was coming from on it, I know I got a lot of criticism for counter signaling.

00:07:35.000 People ask me about these things.

00:07:36.000 You know, James asked me about Gainesville or about Charlottesville 3.0.

00:07:40.000 And it's just difficult for me to cheerlead and, you know, and not give my full opinion.

00:07:45.000 And that's sort of where I wanted to pivot onto this conversation about counter signaling in general, which is.

00:07:50.000 You and Eli Mosley and others in sort of this alt right sphere, you have this policy of not wanting to counter signal anybody that's pro white or not wanting to condemn or disavow anybody that's pro white.

00:08:03.000 And like, I get that.

00:08:05.000 I understand where you're coming from because of all the forces arrayed against us that are anti white and want to see conflict between us and want to see our message get muddled.

00:08:14.000 You know, I understand that strategically, but I guess my question to you and my first little like dig here, my first question is.

00:08:22.000 Like, what exactly do you see as a consequence of counter signaling?

00:08:26.000 Because I hear this all the time don't counter signal, do it internally, don't do it publicly.

00:08:31.000 And, like, I hear where you're coming from, but I just want to know, like, what are the consequences of the public counter signaling that makes it anathema?

00:08:39.000 Well, I think there's a few different issues.

00:08:40.000 One is that, I mean, you mentioned before that there was coverage in USA Today.

00:08:47.000 There was coverage, there was in the Tennessean coverage of the conflict over White Lives Matter and a few other mainstream sources.

00:08:53.000 And to some extent, I think people see when we get that kind of media coverage that says, oh, the alt right is once again infighting.

00:09:04.000 And we all know that the enemies of our enemies and the mainstream media is most definitely arrayed against us, likes to see what they perceive of at least as division of the ranks.

00:09:15.000 And they want to exploit that, maybe drive that wedge further.

00:09:18.000 And on some level, it's a matter of pride.

00:09:20.000 You don't want to be ashamed. 0.98

00:09:22.000 You don't want to look foolish in the eyes of the media. 0.96

00:09:24.000 A unified front or a seeming unified front is stronger than. 0.96

00:09:29.000 A strong way to present to the public and to the enemy in the mainstream media than to appear divided.

00:09:35.000 There's another issue, which is that of opportunity cost, which is that these battles internally can get.

00:09:41.000 I mean, it's sort of like you always hear this stuff about academics, like academics that generally agree with each other fight bitterly over tiny little issues.

00:09:49.000 And I saw it in.

00:09:51.000 You can see it even in the leftist world.

00:09:53.000 You see these sectarian Marxists, and they fight bitterly over this one passage that Marx wrote or something, and it's totally inconsequential to the greater thing.

00:10:02.000 And so I think.

00:10:04.000 To spend a lot of energy doing it is an opportunity cost.

00:10:07.000 Like, you have an opportunity to point your energies in a direction either towards a positive message or going after anti white elements in the media and the mainstream politics and things like that.

00:10:19.000 Like, you could why attack us when you could be attacking, you know, Hillary Clinton or something like that, right?

00:10:25.000 So, there's that.

00:10:27.000 It's a matter of opportunity cost, it's a matter of not putting yourself in a position to be embarrassed by the mainstream media.

00:10:34.000 And also, to the extent that if you want to, if there is something like you feel that some group has done that's embarrassing or it doesn't look right or it's not the style you want to be associated with, you kind of associate yourself with it by not ignoring it.

00:10:51.000 So it's like, I think it's sort of like if you thought something was humiliating or looked really bad, it's better just don't talk about it.

00:10:59.000 Just leave it.

00:11:01.000 I'm just not even going to touch that.

00:11:03.000 So there's that aspect of it as well.

00:11:06.000 So that's kind of my thing there on why I don't counter signal.

00:11:11.000 And look, a lot of it also comes from experience because I've been doing this for several years now.

00:11:15.000 And believe me, we have had our bitter, bitter internal disputes and rivalries and conflicts.

00:11:21.000 And in the end, when we started to just let it go and just focus on what we were doing and focus on our message and focus on attacking the left, attacking the media, we found that we were just happier people.

00:11:36.000 So that's my argument for not counter signaling.

00:11:39.000 To the right.

00:11:40.000 Or not, it's not so much punching right.

00:11:41.000 It's just because I think part of the idea that people have with the no punching right slogan is like it's like you don't want to hurt any other group that's pro white.

00:11:54.000 You know what I mean?

00:11:54.000 Right.

00:11:56.000 But it's not that.

00:11:57.000 It's basically the arguments I previously made are just the best reasons for it, I think.

00:12:03.000 Yeah, and I'm glad you said that.

00:12:04.000 I'm glad you laid out essentially why that is because so often I hear from people.

00:12:10.000 These kinds of criticisms that I shouldn't be like punching right, you know, so to speak, or criticizing in public.

00:12:15.000 And so I'm glad that you laid out a definitive, you know, reason, you know, some legitimate reasons for why that's not a good idea.

00:12:22.000 And I tend to agree with a lot of that, actually.

00:12:25.000 I'm surprised.

00:12:27.000 I tweeted, actually, right before I was about to leave for Miami, Florida to go get interviewed by Milo Yiannopoulos.

00:12:33.000 I think this is one of the reasons why he canceled.

00:12:35.000 This was right after Charlottesville, about a week after.

00:12:40.000 Talking about Nazis on the right.

00:12:42.000 Nobody should be condemning Nazis on the right.

00:12:44.000 And the reason I said that after Charlottesville was because you had Antifa, you had the government, you had all kinds of forces that colluded to do very pernicious, bad things.

00:12:54.000 And for anybody in the Republican Party to waste their breath on quote unquote Nazis or quote unquote white supremacy was wasted.

00:13:01.000 And like you said, that opportunity cost.

00:13:03.000 And at that point, I would have agreed with you on counter signaling.

00:13:06.000 However, where I evolved on that a little bit was.

00:13:11.000 Charlottesville was one thing, but then we had Charlottesville 3.0, and then we had Gainesville, and then we had the White Lives Matter rally.

00:13:19.000 And after all these different demonstrations I saw, it's really problematic that there are, like you yourself, have been part of these rallies, these demonstrations, these public events that have not gone well.

00:13:32.000 And, you know, whether people think they were strategic victories or not, I think the optical failures in those different parts are really hurting the movement.

00:13:41.000 And so I guess the question I would pose to you is do you think that optics is one of those things that should be hashed out?

00:13:49.000 Because you brought up the Marxists and sort of that.

00:13:51.000 That arrogance of the small details, you know, between the professors and that sort of thing.

00:13:55.000 But do you think that optics is a semantic detail that should be ignored?

00:13:59.000 Or do you think at this point it's a conversation that needs to be had and it needs to be public and it needs to be hashed out?

00:14:05.000 Is it worth it, I guess?

00:14:07.000 I think it's a conversation that can be had and I think some of it can be public, but I don't think all of it needs to be public.

00:14:15.000 Like, I think if you want to say, like, you know, I think there's a line in terms of what should be public and what should be private.

00:14:21.000 And I think, like, if you really think like this, I don't think that if you honestly think that something was a failure and totally just a mess, I'm not saying that that hasn't happened, right?

00:14:36.000 You know, I actually probably disagree with your assessment on some of these events, but I don't know that arguing that, see, like, we could get into an argument right now on your show about the success or failure of any one of these events, but would that be really good radio?

00:14:54.000 Would that actually be.

00:14:56.000 Like a thing that was worthwhile, and would that make us stronger in the end?

00:14:59.000 Oh, would it be better for you and me to sit down privately, or maybe you, me, and Richard, or whoever else wanted to be involved?

00:15:05.000 And you'd be like, look, this is what you're doing that I really don't think is working out.

00:15:09.000 And you got to, you got to, you know, like that, I think might be a more productive approach.

00:15:13.000 Because again, when you do it publicly beyond a certain point, I think you're giving ammunition to the enemy.

00:15:22.000 You're giving ammunition, particularly to the mainstream media that can then post humiliating stories about us in the press.

00:15:27.000 That's my view.

00:15:30.000 Yeah.

00:15:31.000 And look, and I'm not saying that all those events were perfect or there's no criticism to be had because, look, on some level, you know, I'm actually relatively new to activism publicly.

00:15:40.000 Like, I've been doing my show for a couple of years and I was doxxed and I've been doxxed for about nine months now, 10 months now.

00:15:48.000 And I started doing public activism about three months after my doxx.

00:15:51.000 So I've really only been doing it about six months.

00:15:53.000 And I'm not saying there haven't been any blunders or there haven't been any mistakes.

00:15:56.000 It's always a learning experience.

00:15:56.000 Of course, there have.

00:15:58.000 And criticism is.

00:15:59.000 And evaluating and going back and checking, like, did this accomplish what we want?

00:16:03.000 Let's hone our message or whatever.

00:16:05.000 Like, that's all well and good.

00:16:06.000 But I think a lot of that is internal and shouldn't be like hashed out publicly on Twitter totally.

00:16:12.000 And I get that.

00:16:12.000 Yeah.

00:16:13.000 You know, I get the details.

00:16:14.000 And, you know, you say it's not perfect.

00:16:16.000 Some of them, it might be more productive to bring those criticisms up in private.

00:16:20.000 But I think the merits of the public criticism, I think the merits of the public conversation is that at a certain point, it becomes a liability to associate with these things and to an extent, not.

00:16:32.000 Talk about them in some capacity.

00:16:34.000 Like, I'd never, I don't think I disavowed at any point the people that were there.

00:16:38.000 I disavowed people that were criticizing me about criticizing the optics, but at no point did I say the people that showed up were bad people or, you know, not well intentioned.

00:16:50.000 And I think at a certain point, that is like the minimum that we can do.

00:16:54.000 Like, we are, we're trying our hardest not to disavow, we're trying our hardest not to call those people out like the media does, like other people do.

00:17:03.000 But when you see NBC who says, These are white nationalists.

00:17:08.000 They're anti refugee.

00:17:10.000 And a regular person who may watch NBC, who may be susceptible to our message or might see that retweet, says this is the anti refugee, like white advocacy crowd.

00:17:19.000 Then it becomes a little bit of a liability, and the public becomes a way to define those differences.

00:17:25.000 And I'll tell you, and let me know what you think about this, because I think this is an interesting development.

00:17:30.000 Hunter Wallace wrote an article for Occidental Dissent, and he came after me, and he came after D'Amigo, and he said, you know, we were wrong and all that.

00:17:39.000 But what I did find interesting was he talked about how there's this distinction between the alt right, which is you and Spencer, and kind of peripherally me and James Alsop, and he was a part of the hard right.

00:17:52.000 He called it with League of the South and the Nationalist Front and the Traditionalist Workers' Party.

00:17:57.000 And what do you think about that kind of labeling?

00:18:00.000 Because I think that could be really productive.

00:18:01.000 We could say, like, we're not hard right.

00:18:04.000 And I think that would spare us from the counter signaling drama if there wasn't that association, right?

00:18:10.000 Like, if we could say they're technically, maybe they could be associated with us as, like, in this big tent, like, fringe right category, but hard right and alt right are separate.

00:18:21.000 And we could just write it off as, we're not hard right and we have no comment on that.

00:18:25.000 Like, do you think that's useful going forward?

00:18:27.000 Yeah, I think that's totally useful.

00:18:29.000 I mean, I hadn't seen that, but that kind of makes sense.

00:18:32.000 I don't know if you want to pigeonhole yourself as fringe because the whole point of this is to not be fringe, right?

00:18:37.000 I mean, so, I mean, yeah, but no, I mean, I think that that's totally fine.

00:18:44.000 I think that, but I would, one thing I would point out to you is think about on some level the amount of energy that you're spending on this question, generally speaking, and probably the amount of energy you spent over the last.

00:18:58.000 Couple of weeks.

00:18:59.000 And would you want to be doing, when you're doing America First radio, you want to be talking about what is the left up to?

00:19:07.000 What is the media doing?

00:19:08.000 Like right now, look, we just had a terrorist attack. 0.98

00:19:11.000 We had a Muslim do another truck of peace in Manhattan. 0.90

00:19:15.000 And we saw the predictable reactions from the left.

00:19:17.000 We saw the predictable reactions to the media.

00:19:19.000 I think the time right now is better spent.

00:19:22.000 You know, we can do the optics debate and it's worthwhile.

00:19:25.000 But also on your show, you know, the America First, you should be talking about.

00:19:30.000 The diversity visa lottery, the truck of peace, the left's reaction, you know, like that is a much better use of your time, I think, than focusing in on this and focusing in on kind of these internal conflicts.

00:19:41.000 And if you can, if you being able to say, well, that was kind of like a hard right event and I'm not really part of that, so I don't really have anything to say on that, I think that's a totally useful approach to take.

00:19:53.000 Yeah, no, and I think that's a really positive development because me and Hunter Wallace and James Alsop and Hunter Wallace have had, Kind of a contentious adversarial exchange on Twitter.

00:20:03.000 But I think that was a positive development overall because it eliminates that liability aspect of it.

00:20:10.000 It eliminates that responsibility aspect where we feel kind of obligated to not counter signal because the United Front is important.

00:20:18.000 But at the same time, it hurts us in other capacities that, in the eyes of the media and other people, we are technically in the same group.

00:20:25.000 So I think that that was a positive development.

00:20:28.000 And on the optics, I think it's just a really important thing.

00:20:31.000 And I just want people to understand, like, It's not like I don't think you guys are well intentioned.

00:20:37.000 And even at White Lives Matter, I mean, I know a lot of people said it was a class thing, and I understand that.

00:20:41.000 Like, I try my hardest, and sometimes it's not always good enough, not to criticize lower class people who are frustrated and express it in that way.

00:20:51.000 You know, we don't want to criticize people's intentions or their character or the fact that they're willing to show up to defend their country. 0.58

00:20:58.000 And that's where I completely understand the not counter signaling.

00:21:01.000 But by the same token, I see people like you and Eli Mosley and Spencer who are really putting it on the line, putting your butts on the line.

00:21:08.000 And resources and going to all this work to do these things.

00:21:12.000 And it's like little tweaks that just drive me crazy.

00:21:14.000 That, you know, for example, at Gainesville, if like Spencer had a podium, I think the optics would have gone up 100%.

00:21:21.000 If at Charlottesville 3.0, they didn't do tiki torches and maybe they did some other, I don't know.

00:21:28.000 I would have to think in the logistics of that for an alternative.

00:21:32.000 I see those little things where it's just so simple and it's just so frustrating.

00:21:36.000 It's hard to sometimes keep it contained.

00:21:39.000 And sometimes I think it's good to just say, you know, look, this is a great movement.

00:21:43.000 We have so much potential.

00:21:44.000 These are good people.

00:21:45.000 We agree on all these issues.

00:21:46.000 But.

00:21:47.000 These little things, if they could just fix those, maybe it creates a little bit of pressure, but I don't know.

00:21:52.000 What do you think about all that?

00:21:53.000 No, I mean, I think those kinds of things I'm totally fine with.

00:21:56.000 Like the podium thing, actually, we discussed this.

00:22:00.000 This is some inside baseball that the audience can be privy to.

00:22:03.000 This was discussed.

00:22:05.000 It wasn't decided against or for, but also, you know, a thing that's important to remember about that is that the Gainesville event, we walked into, and look, feel free to criticize us for this if you like.

00:22:17.000 We walked into something we weren't quite expecting.

00:22:20.000 Okay, when you walk out on a stage and there's 300 screaming Antifa and people of color, blacks, Hispanics, and then rabidly anti white whites or perhaps international people, it's a little bit difficult.

00:22:37.000 You're taken aback for a second.

00:22:39.000 And I agree, Richard wasn't for the first few minutes, he had to get his bearings.

00:22:44.000 And the same thing with me.

00:22:46.000 And also, some of what we were criticized for was, but you guys are screaming.

00:22:50.000 But if you know anything, you know about audio.

00:22:53.000 And you know how directional mics work, it's like you can only hear me.

00:22:57.000 What I'm hearing is a thundering roar from the crowd in the thing.

00:23:01.000 And now I agree that that looked kind of weird, right?

00:23:05.000 Like there was to the person watching, like, why are these guys yelling?

00:23:08.000 And what are they like?

00:23:08.000 What is going on here?

00:23:10.000 And I agree with that.

00:23:11.000 But it's sort of like we had to go through that in order to understand that this is now a tactic.

00:23:17.000 This is sort of like Richard and I discussed this, and Richard said, we had all these possibilities in mind of what they would do, and we countered them in this way and that way.

00:23:27.000 And the one thing they did is the thing we didn't quite expect, which is pack the auditorium with people that were going to yell for two hours straight and not stop.

00:23:37.000 And, like, I didn't think they would have the energy for it.

00:23:40.000 So, given that, it's like now we know that that's something that they are going to do or could do.

00:23:46.000 And we're going to have a plan, you know, in the, you're going to have an arrow in the quiver for that one.

00:23:51.000 So, it's a learning experience.

00:23:53.000 And when we get criticism from people that were observing it from their computers at home, that's helpful.

00:24:01.000 Because then it's like, well, you know, because we were like, we walked out of there, like, yeah, we really took it to them.

00:24:05.000 Like, we had this, we had this, we went up there and we stood, we withstood that yelling and screaming and we withstood all these hostile questions and we stood up there and we took it and we spent every minute of the time that we had allotted and we didn't run and we stood up to them and that's great.

00:24:20.000 And then people like, it looked ridiculous because it looked like you were just screaming into mics because we didn't know, you know?

00:24:26.000 Right.

00:24:27.000 So, on that level, it's a learning experience and like any kind of constructive criticism, we're always willing to take it.

00:24:33.000 Yeah, no.

00:24:33.000 Solid.

00:24:34.000 And that's good.

00:24:35.000 That's good to hear because I know a lot of people got up in arms about, and I think it's a little bit different too the Shelbyville and the Gainesville.

00:24:43.000 I think that's, you know, those are obviously very different events and very different criticisms and very different, you know, optics types going on there.

00:24:53.000 But I guess that just gets to my fundamental point and the fundamental criticism that I have of the alt right, of people like Spencer and even of yourself and of Eli Mosley is.

00:25:04.000 The rallies, in and of themselves, in my opinion, they invite a lot of chaos.

00:25:09.000 They invite a lot of unpredictability.

00:25:11.000 I think that's just the nature of the rally as an operation.

00:25:14.000 When you have a lot of people and it's a public event and it's difficult to turn people away, and obviously we saw it's difficult to control the contingencies, even of people that show up, you know, the fellas that shot at the protesters.

00:25:29.000 And, you know, we know they weren't associated with IE or with any of you guys, but it's just one of those things.

00:25:34.000 It gets out of your control at those mass events.

00:25:36.000 And that's why after Seaville, after 3.0, after Gainesville, I just started to think to myself, I just don't see the tactical value in the rallies.

00:25:46.000 So, beyond the fact that the rallies could have been done a little bit better in terms of, and like you said, it's a learning experience.

00:25:53.000 I don't blame you guys for walking into it and having that crazy contingency.

00:25:58.000 That's the nature of these rallies, unpredictable things happen.

00:26:01.000 And we are a sort of new political movement, so we're still finding the ropes a little bit in that regard.

00:26:07.000 But my broad criticism is even if done right, and maybe you can explain this angle of it.

00:26:14.000 How does the rally, how does the college speaking tour, how do these IRL activism events, and particularly the rallies, what do you hope to achieve from them?

00:26:25.000 Like, is this supposed to move the dial in the public consciousness?

00:26:28.000 Is this supposed to, I mean, and I talked to Spencer about this earlier today, like, what is the getting from point A to point B on where we need to go?

00:26:36.000 Because I see the rallies, I see the optics, and it just kills me because I think this will hurt anybody that's trying to run for office.

00:26:43.000 This will hurt anybody that's trying to, Win an election, and I see that as the only way to move forward in terms of getting policy passed.

00:26:51.000 So, if you could, you know, just explain to me, like, why do you do the route?

00:26:56.000 And I hope this doesn't come across as like, I'm coming after you, this is a gotcha question.

00:26:59.000 No, no, no, no.

00:27:01.000 What's the value in the rallies?

00:27:03.000 I think that that's an interesting question, and it's sort of like, on some level, it's one that a lot of people might not have considered.

00:27:10.000 But I have put some thought into this because the same thought has crossed my mind as well, which is sort of like, if you were just causing public chaos.

00:27:19.000 Then what are we doing?

00:27:20.000 Right.

00:27:21.000 But I think that there is an element to it that is valuable.

00:27:25.000 And that is Charlottesville, despite some of the chaos that went on and the unfortunate incidents that went on, it created this.

00:27:33.000 There is now this awareness that there's a pro white movement in the country.

00:27:39.000 And that, I think, changes the game fundamentally.

00:27:43.000 And I think Charlottesville created that level of polarization, that level of awareness, and changed the game.

00:27:50.000 It changed.

00:27:51.000 How we talk about politics in the United States.

00:27:53.000 It was a mass polarizing event.

00:27:55.000 And frankly, in order to get the policy through, like my main thing is that if we're going to be pro white and we're wanting the U.S. government, we're wanting pro white policies to be passed, one way or the other, we have to change the game. 0.75

00:28:09.000 We have to get the idea that there's pro white advocacy is acceptable and normal into the minds of the public. 0.77

00:28:18.000 So we're like the idea that we would sort of. 0.58

00:28:21.000 Maybe if I'm wrong, if I'm pigeonholing you or strawmaning you, feel free to tell me.

00:28:25.000 The idea that we would do this in a way that is not confrontational, it is like allowing everyone to remain in a comfort zone or to not even realize that it's going on and just get something passed, get something through.

00:28:39.000 I just don't think it's going to happen.

00:28:41.000 I feel like we have to raise awareness that this is a struggle that's happening.

00:28:45.000 The current system is anti white and there's a pro white movement, there's a pro white backlash.

00:28:49.000 And I think ultimately, the.

00:28:52.000 Whatever negatives come out of this are, remember, they're coming from a hostile media establishment.

00:28:58.000 And a lot of the blackpilling is coming out of extremely hostile media.

00:29:02.000 But if the media is upset about something, then maybe there's something to it.

00:29:06.000 And I will also just tell you from personal experience in going around and doing some of this stuff.

00:29:12.000 And now I do a lot of private events as well, and private events are fantastic.

00:29:15.000 I love the private events because there isn't this crazy.

00:29:18.000 You know, nothing crazy is going to happen.

00:29:20.000 You're just going to meet a lot of great people.

00:29:22.000 And at these private events, I talk to fans a lot, and they're always telling me, like, what was it that red pilled you?

00:29:27.000 What was it that red pilled you?

00:29:28.000 And they typically, they've now increasingly been saying, Like things that I've done in the recent past, or that Richard's done in the recent past.

00:29:36.000 A lot of people have said I was red pilled by seeing Richard's speech at Texas AM.

00:29:43.000 Some people said they got red pilled after they saw the Auburn event that we did.

00:29:47.000 Hell, some people said they're red pilled by Heilgate.

00:29:52.000 So, you know, there are these people that come over, and now maybe that's, you know, we can't quite judge is that a fringe outlier, and most people are turned off.

00:30:02.000 But I also think the idea.

00:30:05.000 That people will get turned off from pro white politics is a little bit overblown.

00:30:10.000 One, I don't think there's a single Trump voter that is not going to vote Trump because of anything the alt right does.

00:30:15.000 I don't think that's ever going to happen.

00:30:18.000 I also don't think that those people that are inclined to come over to pro white will necessarily be deterred by anything that they think is too extreme or too far or potentially things that aren't good that happen.

00:30:31.000 And I think also the rally, despite some of the bad stuff that happened, I think that Charlottesville had a huge effect on the national.

00:30:40.000 Debate in the national consciousness, and that alone is worth it.

00:30:42.000 And then, even the unfortunate incidents with the car accident and the way the media treats that is a way to highlight. 0.76

00:30:51.000 Basically, what we want to do is we want to highlight and expose the anti white nature of the establishment.

00:30:57.000 And doing these rallies and facing the kind of suppression that we face, I think, does in a way lend itself to that, as well as doing things like flyering in propaganda campaigns and things like that, particularly when.

00:31:10.000 You post messages that are simply pro white and you get attacked for being evil and hateful.

00:31:17.000 And the unfortunate thing about Charlottesville is that because the whole thing was sabotaged, we weren't able to speak and we weren't able to give our speeches.

00:31:25.000 And then they could just brand us hateful without letting us speak.

00:31:28.000 But the free speech issue, the fact that free speech is under attack, but only when you're going to say pro white things I mean, these are the issues that we're highlighting and bringing into the public consciousness with this kind of public activism.

00:31:40.000 Okay, yeah.

00:31:41.000 See, and that is.

00:31:42.000 That is a solid answer because for a long time I've been looking for that answer and genuinely searching for the answer to the rally question because I think people have this perception of me that I've already made my assumptions, I've already made my decisions.

00:31:59.000 I was legitimately wondering what the answer is, and I'm glad that you shed some light on that because I think there's a lot of merit to that. 0.64

00:32:08.000 The idea that we have a pro white movement in America, there's pro white politics. 0.70

00:32:13.000 And highlighting the anti white agenda of the establishment. 0.80

00:32:16.000 So I get that. 0.78

00:32:18.000 My opposition to the rally in general is conceding all of this, conceding that that is a worthwhile goal, conceding that we want that to happen, conceding that raising consciousness of white identity politics is a good thing. 0.79

00:32:33.000 I think rallies hurt those ends rather than help them. 0.70

00:32:36.000 Or if they help them, they do so less than they hurt them.

00:32:39.000 And I'll tell you what I mean by this.

00:32:41.000 If Richard Spencer showed up to Gainesville, for example, And he was in, and I talked about this on Twitter, and he was in a navy suit, red tie.

00:32:49.000 He stood behind a podium.

00:32:50.000 He had an American haircut, and he looked like a presentable politician. 0.86

00:32:54.000 And he delivered these earnest talking points about how America is a traditionally white country. 0.81

00:33:00.000 America is a white country. 0.82

00:33:02.000 It always has been, and we're under attack.

00:33:04.000 And he was getting yelled at by Antifa.

00:33:06.000 He was getting yelled at by these people. 0.89

00:33:09.000 I think that would have achieved the objective of raising the consciousness for white people.

00:33:13.000 I think the alternative happens, or rather, a different effect happens when you show up with the European stuff, when you show up with the National Socialist stuff, when you show up with this confused message that to me it just looks like a lot of chaos. 0.84

00:33:26.000 It just looks like a lot of, and you've said this before, you know, the planning could have been better, and these things are getting better.

00:33:32.000 But I think.

00:33:33.000 That is intrinsic to the rally, that you have people there that are not good for the message.

00:33:38.000 You have people there that you cannot control the output.

00:33:42.000 You cannot control the expression and how it's portrayed.

00:33:45.000 And so, well, for us, we might understand that that's what it was about.

00:33:49.000 And for us who talk to people that are getting into our movement, we hear what they see from Charlottesville.

00:33:54.000 But I got to be honest.

00:33:55.000 I talk to Generation Z people who are prime opportunities, prime and fertile breeding ground for alt right politics, who are. 0.79

00:34:03.000 Disenfranchised, disenchanted whites who are sick of feminism.

00:34:07.000 And I'm talking about first, second, and third wave, sick of the anti white agenda, sick of the trade deals, this anti white agenda that's come crashing down on this generation. 0.95

00:34:18.000 And I talk to them and they look at Charlottesville.

00:34:20.000 They see the white shirts and the khakis.

00:34:21.000 They see the tiki torches.

00:34:23.000 They see this yelling. 0.97

00:34:24.000 They see people that are angry yelling, Jews will not replace us.

00:34:28.000 And it has the opposite effect.

00:34:29.000 I mean, they're realizing there's a white politics and at the same time they're being turned off to it. 0.72

00:34:35.000 And Maybe there's like this accelerationist angle that, you know, we will come to a point where more radical things will become appropriate and that'll enter like the normal Overton window of politics.

00:34:46.000 But I just see things like flyers.

00:34:48.000 I see things like the postering where it's a simple flyer and you control the message and it's concise and it's clear and it's four words tops and it's straightforward and that gets all kinds of crazy coverage.

00:34:59.000 I think that's better than when you have a massive 1,000 person rally and you get one guy with a Nazi flag and it's over.

00:35:06.000 Or you got Charlottesville where you have three different slogans it's unite the right.

00:35:10.000 You will not replace us, and something about monuments.

00:35:13.000 I just think my two pronged criticism is at once the rallies are not focused on their messaging, and that is hurting them.

00:35:22.000 And at the same time, I don't think you ever can sufficiently control the messaging for those to work.

00:35:28.000 And so, I mean, do you understand where I'm coming from on that? 0.84

00:35:32.000 Like, I'm conceding a lot of what you're saying about white consciousness, but I just disagree with the method to achieve it. 0.90

00:35:38.000 Does that make sense? 1.00

00:35:39.000 Yeah, no, it makes sense.

00:35:40.000 And it's kind of a thing where I don't know, since we don't have.

00:35:44.000 A good way of measuring these kind of metrics.

00:35:46.000 It's kind of hard to know.

00:35:48.000 And it's kind of also something that we're going to need to wait and see on because, as I've said, I'm going on a little break from activism for a few months.

00:35:57.000 One, because it's the winter.

00:35:58.000 Two, because I'm just burned out.

00:36:00.000 I just need some time to relax and focus on our website, focus on our content.

00:36:05.000 And we'll see.

00:36:06.000 We'll see.

00:36:06.000 Are we bringing more people into the fold?

00:36:08.000 And when new people come in, we can ask them.

00:36:10.000 We can say, like, what were you brought in by Charlottesville?

00:36:13.000 Were you turned off by it, but then later on decided to come in anyway?

00:36:16.000 I do think that inevitably.

00:36:18.000 The pressures on the white youth are going to make them gravitate to pro white politics.

00:36:23.000 And we see this in the media.

00:36:25.000 We see things like a new article I saw, a headline I saw on Twitter the other day was, Today's millennials, today's white millennials are more like white people than millennials. 0.56

00:36:35.000 And I'm like, Yeah, hell yeah, that's great. 0.60

00:36:37.000 I love it.

00:36:39.000 So, you know, I really don't know.

00:36:40.000 I mean, this is a worthwhile question, I think.

00:36:43.000 And I honestly think it's worthwhile.

00:36:45.000 Is it worth it?

00:36:46.000 I think some of the rallies, some of the events that have happened were probably.

00:36:52.000 Worse than others.

00:36:52.000 Some of them maybe undermined the message rather than promoted it.

00:36:57.000 But in terms of Charlottesville, I think that also the immediate effect of it versus the long term effect of it is going to be different because I do think that Charlottesville was that mass polarizing event that said to the world, we are here.

00:37:13.000 We are not here in a trivial number that can be laughed at anymore.

00:37:16.000 And they stopped laughing because for a very long time, the pro white movement was simply an object of mockery.

00:37:23.000 That's true.

00:37:23.000 And it's not.

00:37:24.000 It's not anymore.

00:37:25.000 They are taking this deadly seriously.

00:37:27.000 They know that we're here.

00:37:28.000 And so that mass polarizing event, it had to happen one way or another.

00:37:34.000 And not everything's going to be pretty.

00:37:36.000 I mean, this is a struggle for, frankly, our very survival that we're engaged in.

00:37:40.000 And it's not always going to be pretty.

00:37:42.000 And not everyone's always going to be able to be comfortable.

00:37:44.000 Like the idea of sitting back and saying, well, did I like Charlottesville?

00:37:47.000 I didn't like the shirts.

00:37:47.000 Didn't I like it?

00:37:48.000 I didn't like the hats or whatever it might be.

00:37:52.000 Ultimately, that position of comfort from which you can evaluate that or not evaluate that is not going to be an option because you're going to be like, I can't send my kids to school.

00:38:01.000 You know what I mean?

00:38:02.000 Like, I'm afraid of waiting on a corner for the bus for too long because I don't know what's going to happen.

00:38:07.000 I don't know if a truck of peace is going to come along.

00:38:09.000 You know what I mean?

00:38:10.000 Like, we're going to be in that situation.

00:38:12.000 And I get the whole thing of, like, because that situation is coming, we don't have the time.

00:38:16.000 We can't afford to F up, you know?

00:38:19.000 And I get that angle too.

00:38:20.000 And unfortunately, we just don't know.

00:38:23.000 And I totally understand your criticisms and your misgivings about this.

00:38:27.000 And we didn't, you know, we didn't go into this with the intention of sabotaging anything.

00:38:30.000 And hey, if we messed up, we messed up.

00:38:32.000 This is something that has to be seen.

00:38:34.000 We just have to wait and see.

00:38:35.000 And I think having a break of activism over the winter to evaluate and get new people and see what they think, I think that's a good thing to do, you know, and maybe come back in the spring and see what we're going to do.

00:38:45.000 That's definitely fair.

00:38:46.000 No, I think that is 100% right.

00:38:50.000 I mean, we just don't know.

00:38:50.000 Because you're right.

00:38:52.000 And I have my misgivings about it, and other people do.

00:38:55.000 And some people are full throated for the rally.

00:38:58.000 So you're right.

00:38:59.000 And I appreciate the honesty, I appreciate that.

00:39:02.000 You know, you're not just shilling for things you've done and whatever.

00:39:07.000 And so I'm glad that we could reach that middle ground where we could say, you know, we want what's best for the movement.

00:39:12.000 So we'll see.

00:39:13.000 So I'm glad.

00:39:14.000 I think that is.

00:39:15.000 If I have to never go in public again with the side of my head shaved, you know, that's not entirely the worst thing, right?

00:39:21.000 Right, right.

00:39:22.000 You know, for me, I'm like, yeah, I could stay home.

00:39:24.000 I could do it from home, right?

00:39:25.000 But part of what I don't want to have happen is the idea that we can always just do this from home.

00:39:29.000 Right, yes.

00:39:31.000 At some point, like, we are up against.

00:39:33.000 An extremely wealthy, powerful, and committed enemy, and they are going to come at us. 0.96

00:39:38.000 Like, there is a lot of money involved in effectively anti whiteness. 0.73

00:39:42.000 We know this is a globalist corporate agenda. 0.85

00:39:44.000 We know people with billions of dollars are involved in this, in basically deracinating Europe and the United States.

00:39:52.000 We know that that is their agenda, and they're doing it for reasons of globalist consumerism, etc.

00:39:57.000 We all know this narrative.

00:39:58.000 Right.

00:39:59.000 And these people are powerful.

00:40:00.000 They've got a lot of money, and it's a tough enemy.

00:40:04.000 And mistakes are going to be made in the battle, and It's going to be risky and it's going to be costly.

00:40:09.000 So, I just don't want anybody to get into the idea that we can do it all on Twitter.

00:40:13.000 Yeah.

00:40:13.000 Right.

00:40:14.000 Because we're not going to be able to.

00:40:14.000 No, I agree.

00:40:16.000 Yeah.

00:40:17.000 And yeah, I think that'll be an interesting year because this year, I think, we'll sort of see what happens, basically.

00:40:24.000 We'll see where the chips fall.

00:40:26.000 And, you know, I will still, when people ask me what's going on, you know, I'll tell people my misgivings about rallies without counter signaling.

00:40:33.000 And, you know, me and James are going to take it in a more political direction in terms of, Political activism.

00:40:39.000 Like, I don't want people to think I'm saying no rallies, no nothing, nobody do anything.

00:40:43.000 Like, you know, it's just a different kind of activism that we're advocating for.

00:40:47.000 So, no, I think that is a good place for us to reach where we can both understand that, you know, we don't know the effect of the rallies totally.

00:40:57.000 And I said this in all my criticisms of the rally is, you know, in the short term, we have a much different picture in our heads of what this is going to look like in the long term.

00:41:05.000 Who knows?

00:41:05.000 Maybe Charlottesville will be looked back at in 50 years as the moment that it all started, you know, as the moment that the revolution started, or it could be looked at very differently.

00:41:15.000 So, I agree, time will tell.

00:41:18.000 And in the meantime, we'll experiment with different things.

00:41:20.000 I've never, you know, I think I encourage people to try things, but just try them confidently and try things thinking them through.

00:41:28.000 And I try to lend a hand.

00:41:30.000 I try to be constructive in my criticisms where they could be better.

00:41:34.000 So that's a good place because, you know, I understand the appeal for the rally.

00:41:38.000 I understand people want to go out there and they want to demonstrate.

00:41:40.000 And in all the interviews I took after Charlottesville, I said the same thing.

00:41:45.000 We were out there to demonstrate that this is a real movement, this is a serious movement, and it's time to get offline.

00:41:50.000 So I.

00:41:51.000 I think we can both agree Charlottesville, for better or for worse, was necessary and it happened.

00:41:56.000 And in many ways, it was good.

00:41:58.000 But I think moving forward, the question is do we take this more rally, elevating the consciousness, meta politics approach, or do we take the political on the ground, you know, filling out ballots?

00:42:09.000 And they don't have to be mutually exclusive, but I do think that at times they may contradict each other.

00:42:13.000 So, no, I mean, I think dual strategies have to be pursued.

00:42:18.000 And I'm more a meta politics guy, I'm more a narrative building guy, and frankly, more of a radical where I can go out.

00:42:25.000 And be a radical in public, whether speaking or whatever.

00:42:29.000 I also think one thing I will say is that one thing we agree on is free speech is an important value.

00:42:35.000 And free speech is a quintessentially American value, and it's one of the few values that's held sacred in America anymore.

00:42:42.000 And almost every American, real American, understands this and values free speech. 0.59

00:42:47.000 And if we can actually go out and show ourselves being victims of suppression of free speech, because most white people in the United States.

00:42:56.000 Ones that are not completely gaslit and brainwashed by the anti white media, the anti white intellectual establishment, the anti white academic establishment, etc., will agree, hey, I don't have to agree with it, but these guys have a right to speak.

00:43:08.000 So if we go out and, hey, we can do these in a controlled way where we don't get wild cards, we don't get crazy events, and just take it for the team, go out there, speak our minds, and get suppressed, like allow them to come down on us.

00:43:21.000 And then that's a lesson.

00:43:24.000 That's a teachable moment for the rest of the country.

00:43:26.000 And I think that's part of the strategy.

00:43:27.000 Now, whether or not it's pulled off tactically, At any point in a way that is the best?

00:43:33.000 That's another question.

00:43:34.000 But I think part of the postering, we talked about the postering briefly, and I've talked about postering campaigns, and I gave some advice on our show, which is that what you want to do is you want to put out a pro white message and then watch the left go into action because they will. 0.63

00:43:49.000 You put pro white posters on a college campus and say, like, white families have a right to exist. 0.59

00:43:55.000 Like, you know, it's okay to be white, as the ones that went up today. 0.54

00:43:59.000 And then you watch the anti white administration, they're calling meetings.

00:44:03.000 You know, they're bringing people in for diversity training.

00:44:05.000 They're doing all this stuff that turns people off.

00:44:08.000 And they're like, what the hell is this?

00:44:09.000 Like, are you saying I don't have a right to exist or it's not okay to be white? 1.00

00:44:13.000 Like, that's the message they're going to get because they're going to say these are hateful, these are evil, white supremacists. 1.00

00:44:17.000 And so the average white person is like, wait, what the hell? 0.99

00:44:20.000 But the same thing works potentially with public activism where you go out, you give a speech. 0.96

00:44:26.000 I'm going to give a pro white speech. 0.75

00:44:27.000 I'm here to talk about whiteness, about what it means to be white, and say, like, to our people that, you know, we have a history, we have a culture, and that's great, and we should be proud of it. 0.85

00:44:37.000 And not say anything negative about any of the groups, not put SS ruins on your cheek or anything like that. 0.78

00:44:45.000 And they're going to attack you the same way.

00:44:46.000 They're going to call you Nazis. 1.00

00:44:48.000 They're going to call you insane. 0.97

00:44:49.000 They're going to call you racist, evil, all these bad things that people have been taught to, you know, basically conditioned. 0.61

00:44:56.000 And that's going to have the same effect.

00:44:58.000 So I think the main thing is having control of the message.

00:45:03.000 And I agree with you.

00:45:04.000 There have been some of these events where it's been a little bit out of control.

00:45:06.000 It's been chaotic.

00:45:07.000 But I mean, you know, in our defense, those of us that have been part of some of this stuff, like, it's not, these things are hard to do.

00:45:15.000 And it's, you know, things always kind of get, Chaotic once you actually enter into the real world, but at some point, the real world has to be entered.

00:45:23.000 So, yeah, no, and yeah, I agree with a lot of that, and I think that's a pretty fair settlement here.

00:45:30.000 We're coming up on the 50 minute mark where we take questions, so I think that's a good place to leave it off.

00:45:35.000 And I think there's a lot of agreement there.

00:45:37.000 There's a lot of disagreement, too, to be fair, about the American optics question, about the political question, the activism, the rallying, and all that.

00:45:45.000 But I think we've basically what I hoped would happen, what I think did happen is we.

00:45:51.000 We basically defined very well where we stand, which I think was a little bit missing.

00:45:56.000 When it gets heated on Twitter, when it's in the 140 characters, it gets lost a little bit.

00:46:00.000 So I'm glad that this wasn't the throwdown a lot of people were expecting.

00:46:04.000 This wasn't a cage match.

00:46:05.000 But I think we, in a clear and cool and concise manner, laid out where we stand and where the disagreements are and what that's going to look like moving forward.

00:46:13.000 So I am not against a cooperative and quiet alliance between the intellectual vanguard, between the consciousness raising and the political IRL stuff.

00:46:24.000 But we just have to recognize that.

00:46:26.000 There's going to be clashes on those topics because they are, you know, they do come into context sometimes, but I think we can agree that we're all going for the same thing.

00:46:35.000 And in the long run, that'll be good that we know where we stand.

00:46:38.000 So it was great having you on, man.

00:46:40.000 Is there anything else you want to cover before you take off there?

00:46:44.000 No, that's about it.

00:46:45.000 I think this is good.

00:46:46.000 I think this is a lot of fun.

00:46:48.000 And I'm glad that we could do it because I did feel that, you know, there was a little straw manning going on.

00:46:52.000 There was maybe.

00:46:53.000 But, A, anytime this happens, I always find that sitting down and talking to people is like the best way.

00:47:00.000 To deal with it.

00:47:02.000 Definitely.

00:47:03.000 Yeah.

00:47:04.000 And much better than Twitter, you know, because it's just.

00:47:06.000 Yeah, Twitter, it's just.

00:47:08.000 Yeah, it's not.

00:47:09.000 I mean, it's fun, but it's better for, in my opinion, Twitter is best used for, like, quippy one liners going out to the left.

00:47:15.000 Yeah.

00:47:15.000 Right.

00:47:16.000 That's my favorite way of using it.

00:47:17.000 It's true.

00:47:18.000 Yeah.

00:47:18.000 But so great having you on, man.

00:47:20.000 I think it was fun.

00:47:20.000 It was civil.

00:47:21.000 Thanks for giving us your time.

00:47:22.000 Of course.

00:47:23.000 Yeah, definitely. 0.84

00:47:24.000 So keep up the good work over there.

00:47:26.000 You know, you're going to do what you're going to do.

00:47:28.000 I'm going to do what I'm going to do.

00:47:29.000 So thanks for coming.

00:47:30.000 Do what you like to do.

00:47:31.000 We like to do.

00:47:33.000 Yeah, is that the bit everybody's been asking about?

00:47:36.000 But yeah, thanks for coming on.

00:47:38.000 We'll talk later, all right?

00:47:40.000 Yeah, talk to you later.

00:47:40.000 All right, sir.

00:47:41.000 Bye bye.

00:47:41.000 Thanks.

00:47:41.000 Have a good one.

00:47:42.000 Bye.

00:47:42.000 All right.

00:47:43.000 Okay, so that was Mike Enoch.

00:47:46.000 That was our pal.

00:47:48.000 Mike Enoch, let me know how you thought it went in the comments.

00:47:52.000 We're going to take some questions now.

00:47:54.000 We got about 10 minutes left in the show, and I'm like contented out, okay?

00:47:59.000 We did a two hour special last night, we did a three hour Nat review this morning.

00:48:04.000 Now, I got this interview tonight, so it's been very busy.

00:48:07.000 So I'm a little bit tired.

00:48:08.000 So we'll take some questions.

00:48:09.000 We'll see some initial reaction in the super chats, and then we'll call it an evening.

00:48:14.000 He's a good guy, smart guy.

00:48:15.000 I know there's a lot of counter signaling going on.

00:48:18.000 I know it gets contentious.

00:48:19.000 I know people have some strong positions, but my position remains that I'm just going to say what I'm going to say.

00:48:26.000 And I'm diplomatic to people as long as people don't actively mess up my stuff.

00:48:32.000 Like, I'm okay.

00:48:33.000 And I think that was.

00:48:34.000 Fundamentally, at the heart of the issue was this idea of punching right.

00:48:39.000 And we got to the bottom of that.

00:48:40.000 And we got to the bottom of the rally question.

00:48:42.000 We got to the bottom of the tactical question with Richard Spencer this morning.

00:48:46.000 And so, I think it's been a very productive day.

00:48:48.000 It helps us when we can lay out those ideas and have these debates.

00:48:52.000 Sometimes they can be contentious.

00:48:54.000 Sometimes, you know, they can get a little bit heated, but it's always better, I think.

00:48:59.000 Everybody comes away better. 0.98

00:49:00.000 And not even in like a gay, like Daily Wire, like Dave Rubin thing where it's like you regurgitate neoliberal talking points where you actually hear something new. 0.99

00:49:08.000 You actually hear answers to questions that you didn't think about answering or that haven't been answered. 0.74

00:49:14.000 So, not to ramble on about that, but I think it was very productive.

00:49:17.000 And, um, Sorry to disappoint the cage match people that wanted to see a winner and a loser.

00:49:22.000 You know, Enoch, he messaged me beforehand and said, you know, look, I just want to have a conversation.

00:49:26.000 So I'm glad that's what took place.

00:49:28.000 I think we're all better off for it.

00:49:29.000 So we'll check out our super chats here.

00:49:32.000 And what do we got going on in the old super chat?

00:49:37.000 Simon Skola says, Enoch is a goofball. 0.88

00:49:39.000 Well, don't insult the guest. 0.66

00:49:42.000 You know, certainly I have my opinions about how Gainesville went, and I have my opinions about, obviously, how White Lives Matter went. 0.64

00:49:49.000 You know, we got to respect the guest. 0.72

00:49:49.000 But. 0.72

00:49:52.000 He says, White Lives Matter is associated with KKK boomers now. 1.00

00:49:55.000 Congrats.

00:49:56.000 Yeah, that was not a good look.

00:49:58.000 And, you know, Enoch said he didn't want to counter signal that.

00:50:01.000 And I understand that.

00:50:02.000 He's got contacts in that movement.

00:50:05.000 And we don't want to bring people on here to upset their Apple cart and mess up their stuff.

00:50:09.000 But, yeah, I mean, it's no secret.

00:50:11.000 I thought that was a disaster.

00:50:13.000 It was no good.

00:50:14.000 And Mike Enoch knows that.

00:50:15.000 It got a little heated in the DMs about that the other day.

00:50:19.000 But you heard his position, and we'll see.

00:50:22.000 You know, we'll see what happens.

00:50:23.000 Gary Oak dropping the dollar, Simon Skola with the double shekel.

00:50:27.000 And Simon Skola says criticism isn't the same as counter signaling.

00:50:30.000 I think that's a key thing we can learn today because a lot of the things I said were completely accepted by Enoch and other people, and it's criticisms.

00:50:39.000 You know, bring a podium, wear a red tie, don't have rallies, or if you do have them controlled.

00:50:45.000 These are things that are not partisan, these are things that are not attacking the character of the people, and therefore I don't think they're counter signaling.

00:50:53.000 And even some of the organizational stuff that we may have to resolve later in the week.

00:50:58.000 And people might know what I'm referring to.

00:51:00.000 But even on that question, I think there is a fine line between completely healthy and valid criticism and counter signaling.

00:51:07.000 You know, notice I never said these are bad people.

00:51:11.000 I never said they were people that had bad intentions.

00:51:15.000 And unfortunately, they made me bring up the Nazi KKK stuff.

00:51:19.000 I never called Richard Spencer anything than what he is, which is a white identitarian.

00:51:23.000 I never called them a white supremacist or a Nazi.

00:51:25.000 But when they have literal card carrying Ku Klux Klan members and National Socialists, It's inescapable that you have to criticize that kind of stuff.

00:51:34.000 And I think people understand that.

00:51:36.000 I think people understand that if you're trying to pursue a political avenue, necessarily you're going to have to distance yourself from the vanguard.

00:51:43.000 And people bring up the example of the left.

00:51:45.000 The left does this all the time.

00:51:47.000 You know, and I brought up the example of Barack Obama, who sat in the church of Jeremiah Wright, who studied under Saul Linsky. 0.66

00:51:54.000 I know that's boomer posting.

00:51:56.000 But when he ran for Senate and when he ran for president, he necessarily had to distance himself from people he was personally friends with.

00:52:03.000 People who were his mentors, people who he probably agreed with very much, but he had to create that distance so that people in Wisconsin would vote for him.

00:52:11.000 He had to create that distance so people in Florida would vote for him in 2008.

00:52:15.000 People who, you know, maybe deep down and over the course of time they've come to agree with the Alinsky paradigm, it didn't look good in an election.

00:52:24.000 And I think that's really the disagreement there.

00:52:28.000 And Enoch thinks it's more of this long term.

00:52:31.000 Enoch and Spencer, and I hope I'm not straw manning here, they think it's a little bit more of a metapolitical game.

00:52:36.000 Of raising consciousness, changing minds before we get politics.

00:52:40.000 I think it's a combination of the two and some of the changing of the minds.

00:52:44.000 The directness can upset the on the ground political stuff.

00:52:47.000 But, I mean, it's, you know, we've had this conversation.

00:52:50.000 So, Clappy Claps a lot.

00:52:53.000 Money for tiki torches.

00:52:54.000 Thank you.

00:52:55.000 I'll have to get my tiki torch.

00:52:57.000 Howard Morton with the single shekel.

00:52:59.000 Thank you.

00:52:59.000 Underdog Anomaly says, Hey, Nick, I apologize for saying answer the mother effing call to you when I called in yesterday.

00:53:06.000 I was unaware that that was live.

00:53:08.000 Here's five shekels.

00:53:08.000 Well, thank you.

00:53:10.000 I actually didn't hear that.

00:53:11.000 So, I don't know, maybe we like.

00:53:13.000 I think what happened was I answered it while you were in the middle of saying it.

00:53:16.000 So it got kind of cut off, so I didn't hear it.

00:53:18.000 But it's all right.

00:53:20.000 All is forgiven. 0.99

00:53:20.000 And thanks for the shekels. 0.99

00:53:23.000 We got Simon Skola.

00:53:24.000 No dressing up as Nazis at rallies.

00:53:27.000 It's so simple.

00:53:29.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:53:31.000 And that's all we're saying.

00:53:32.000 I'm against rallies, I don't think they should happen.

00:53:35.000 But if you're going to do them, do it right.

00:53:37.000 And I think what Mike and I agreed on was Shelbyville is no good, it has to be thrown out.

00:53:42.000 That's hard right.

00:53:43.000 We have to differentiate.

00:53:45.000 And hard right is a useful category because that's different than saying Nazi and KKK, but it means the same thing and it creates the same disassociation.

00:53:52.000 So that's good.

00:53:54.000 But we both agreed that the National Socialist KKK can't have it in no way, shape, or form.

00:53:59.000 And he told that to me as well.

00:54:01.000 So that's a good thing.

00:54:02.000 We're on the same page as that.

00:54:04.000 The more broad disagreement is the optical question of do we pursue the post American metapolitical, which I think there is a bit of a nuance between Spencer and Enoch.

00:54:14.000 I think Spencer.

00:54:15.000 Comes at it from like a yucky perspective of this pan European, post American project. 0.97

00:54:22.000 And Enoch, I think, is a little bit more practical. 0.94

00:54:24.000 I think he's a little bit more tactical as opposed to strategic in saying, we want to create a white consciousness, and that will be good for politics. 0.87

00:54:32.000 That will be good for reform. 0.72

00:54:33.000 So I think that's a nuance.

00:54:34.000 Maybe I'm reading that into it, but I think that's the difference there.

00:54:38.000 Whereas we're saying we have to embrace the flag, we have to embrace something familiar for people to be fed unfamiliar ideas.

00:54:46.000 You know, here's a red pill on immigration.

00:54:49.000 But it's in this delicious ice cream.

00:54:51.000 It's in the red, white, and blue sherbet. 0.94

00:54:54.000 And, you know, then they can, you know, the boomers can consume that in the nursing homes. 0.90

00:54:58.000 And it's not so, they don't spit it out right away. 0.88

00:55:01.000 So it's simple on the Nazi part.

00:55:04.000 On the optics at large, it's a little bit different.

00:55:06.000 But I think what we can both agree on in terms of logistics is the messaging has to get better.

00:55:12.000 Charlottesville 2.0, which I said with Enoch, had three different slogans Unite the Right rally, it was You Will Not Replace Us.

00:55:21.000 That was one of the slogans on the flyers.

00:55:23.000 And it was about the Lee Monument.

00:55:24.000 And people can say, well, we didn't get a chance to speak.

00:55:27.000 We didn't get a chance to express our optics.

00:55:29.000 But even the promotional materials was confusing.

00:55:32.000 And that's a logistical thing that everyone can agree needs to change.

00:55:35.000 Whether you think it should be LARP in European or it should be Americana, messaging should always be focused, should always be concise, in as little words as possible, in actionable statements.

00:55:47.000 And those are the things we can all get better at.

00:55:48.000 And I commend them for saying that that is an area where they can improve on.

00:55:54.000 Lulzy try.

00:55:55.000 We have seen the failure of the Euro aesthetic with Mosley and Rockwell.

00:55:58.000 So, why do we need to wait to decide that American aesthetic is better?

00:56:02.000 It's not so much waiting to decide.

00:56:03.000 I've decided it's better.

00:56:05.000 I am fully convinced that it's better.

00:56:08.000 And a lot of people are as well.

00:56:10.000 It's moreover, how will history bear it out?

00:56:14.000 And I think we'll be vindicated.

00:56:15.000 And you know what?

00:56:16.000 They think they'll be vindicated.

00:56:17.000 And we'll see.

00:56:18.000 I am 100% of the belief that in a year, America First will be the brand.

00:56:23.000 America First will be a much.

00:56:25.000 More powerful brand.

00:56:26.000 And going forward, even in five, 10 years, that will be the case.

00:56:31.000 But waiting 10 years, this is not so much waiting to decide what's good, but waiting to bear it out what has proven to be good.

00:56:38.000 And I think we will be vindicated by that.

00:56:40.000 But you're right.

00:56:41.000 The Euro aesthetic failed.

00:56:42.000 And even if you look at Hitler, it's ironic.

00:56:44.000 These people use Hitler, the revolutionary, as an example. 0.66

00:56:48.000 The uniforms that Hitler used that people want to bring back, the swastika, the militaristic brown shirt uniforms, that was very timely. 0.55

00:56:59.000 That was very palatable for Germans at the time.

00:57:02.000 If you compare that to the World War I uniforms, if you compare that to European dress at the time, this was not a controversial dress.

00:57:09.000 This was not something.

00:57:11.000 I mean, of course, it stood out.

00:57:12.000 You want that with a political movement.

00:57:14.000 But in terms of paradigm shifting, it didn't look like you walked out of 100 years ago. 0.68

00:57:18.000 In the modern day tradition, when we try to LARP and replicate that aesthetic, it's contrary to, in principle, what Hitler did. 0.61

00:57:27.000 So that is a perfect example of going after the superficial image versus the essence of what's going on there. 0.75

00:57:36.000 I firmly believe that the followers of Hitler, and I don't know why they follow somebody that lost, but people that follow Hitler, They want to use his brand. 0.74

00:57:46.000 If somebody like that was alive today, they would be encouraging something more timely, something more palatable. 0.82

00:57:53.000 And that's just food for thought for people that look up to Rockwell and want to learn from the failures of those movements.

00:58:01.000 Sam Hyde says, Yay, mommy and daddy are not fighting anymore.

00:58:04.000 Yeah, and I wanted to bury the hatchet. 0.97

00:58:06.000 People might say I'm a cuck. 1.00

00:58:08.000 Sean Huvers is going to give me shit for having Enoch and Spencer on. 0.99

00:58:11.000 I know they're hard set against these guys, but look. 0.99

00:58:15.000 As somebody who embraces politics, you have to be diplomatic.

00:58:19.000 You have to be friends with everybody.

00:58:21.000 You can't afford to disavow, and politics is always changing.

00:58:24.000 It's dynamic, and you have to have friends.

00:58:27.000 So, you know, like Lucian Wintrich and I are allies to an extent.

00:58:32.000 Mike Cernovich and I are still mutuals.

00:58:34.000 I still consider us allies.

00:58:36.000 And at the same time, I consider Richard Spencer and Mike Enoch an ally.

00:58:39.000 And I consider, you know, anybody who wants to talk with me, anybody who wants to do good for my message and bring it to more attention.

00:58:48.000 We should be diplomatic with those people.

00:58:50.000 And so I get the concerns people have.

00:58:52.000 I'm not going to pretend like I don't have the same concerns, but it's important for somebody who's political to be diplomatic and to cultivate those relationships because you never know what's going to come in handy down the road.

00:59:06.000 And we'll see.

00:59:07.000 We'll see.

00:59:08.000 If it doesn't work out, I can always use the young guy excuse.

00:59:11.000 If it doesn't work out, if 10 years down the line I regret this majorly, I could always use the get out of jail free card.

00:59:18.000 I was 19 at the time.

00:59:19.000 I, you know, whatever.

00:59:21.000 Some people don't get that luxury, obviously, but we'll see.

00:59:27.000 And we got Jeff Sheldon.

00:59:28.000 Enoch was trying to use his age, but you're smarter.

00:59:30.000 I don't think that's what he was doing necessarily.

00:59:32.000 I think he was rightly pointing out that he has experience in activism.

00:59:36.000 And look, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

00:59:40.000 Our whole traditionalist ethos is about hierarchy and about respecting experience, respecting merit.

00:59:48.000 And so I see nothing wrong with Mike Enoch saying, I've been doing this longer.

00:59:52.000 I've been doing this and have handled the logistics firsthand.

00:59:55.000 No problem with that.

00:59:56.000 And I don't think he was trying to do that.

00:59:57.000 I don't think he was trying to throw his weight around.

00:59:59.000 I think he was just making a valid point of, you know, we've been doing this and that is why we think this works.

01:00:05.000 That's just establishing credibility.

01:00:06.000 So I don't begrudge him for that.

01:00:08.000 I still think he's wrong, you know?

01:00:10.000 And I have a little bit of an ego, so I won't comment on who's smarter.

01:00:14.000 I'm, you know, there's a lot of egos in this movement who would contend that kind of question, but I understand where he's coming from, you know?

01:00:20.000 I hope I'm not coming across as like bullshitting or flip flopping, but you know, I do believe these things.

01:00:25.000 Aaron West, fantastic debate.

01:00:28.000 If you could visit any person over the past 100 years for 10 minutes, who would it be?

01:00:33.000 Past 100 years, so that's 1917.

01:00:36.000 Hmm.

01:00:39.000 There's a lot of people I'd like to talk to.

01:00:42.000 If I could talk to one person, the problem is all the great men essentially died by the 20th century.

01:00:46.000 You know, I'd really like to talk to Nietzsche.

01:00:49.000 I'd really like to talk to Bismarck or some of these other characters.

01:00:55.000 So that's unfortunate.

01:00:56.000 But I don't know.

01:00:57.000 Maybe Joseph Stalin.

01:00:58.000 He's always fascinated me.

01:01:01.000 He's been a really interesting character.

01:01:03.000 Maybe, uh, Huey Long, Oswald Mosley is very cool.

01:01:07.000 Jack Kennedy, that's kind of plebeian. 0.95

01:01:09.000 That's kind of, you know, trite. 0.92

01:01:13.000 But I would like Jack Kennedy.

01:01:14.000 He's interesting.

01:01:17.000 It's tough to choose.

01:01:17.000 Lots of people.

01:01:18.000 Maybe Oswald Spengler.

01:01:19.000 He was a great mind.

01:01:20.000 The interdisciplinary nature of his work, it just blows me away.

01:01:24.000 The kind of processing power he must have.

01:01:26.000 300 IQ going on over there.

01:01:28.000 So I don't know.

01:01:29.000 It's a tough question.

01:01:30.000 Probably Joseph Stalin.

01:01:32.000 I've always been curious and interested in him.

01:01:34.000 All kinds of biographies.

01:01:35.000 I've been obsessed with that story since seventh grade.

01:01:39.000 I just never could conceive of somebody who was so ruthlessly pragmatic and committed and could wield so much power.

01:01:47.000 It's just really like a striking, I think, a striking story that happened in the 20th century that demonstrates a lot about what's been going on in our civilization.

01:01:58.000 So, you know, Peterson talks about this.

01:02:00.000 Nietzsche kind of predicted this.

01:02:03.000 So that'd be my answer.

01:02:05.000 Michigan Wave, they need to. 1.00

01:02:07.000 This damn dog. 1.00

01:02:09.000 I cannot tell you, man. 1.00

01:02:11.000 This guy, this little guy, I'm doing my podcast for three hours down here, okay?

01:02:16.000 I'm sitting right here doing Nationalist Review for three hours.

01:02:19.000 Dog's upstairs.

01:02:20.000 I come upstairs after the podcast.

01:02:22.000 There's vomit all over the carpet in three different places.

01:02:26.000 And it's all in various stages of being dried.

01:02:28.000 Like some of it's hard and crusty, some of it's wet and thick, and there's stuff in it.

01:02:34.000 Sorry, not to give you a vulgar image in your head, but.

01:02:37.000 And here's the best part.

01:02:38.000 Now I got to come clean it up.

01:02:40.000 I was the only one who didn't want the dog.

01:02:42.000 I told everybody I don't want the dog.

01:02:45.000 I don't want everything that comes with living with the dog.

01:02:48.000 And I, you know, I just don't want it.

01:02:50.000 And here I am now cleaning up vomit off the carpet, you know, with paper towels.

01:02:55.000 So not cool.

01:02:57.000 You know, they tell me, oh, he won't be a responsibility.

01:03:00.000 He'll be our dog.

01:03:01.000 He'll be your sister's dog.

01:03:03.000 And guess who's dealing with them?

01:03:04.000 Guess who's picking up the vomit and letting them out every five minutes and going outside with them and.

01:03:09.000 And getting phone calls from my mom every 20 minutes.

01:03:11.000 Hey, did you take the dog out?

01:03:13.000 Hey, did you take the dog out?

01:03:14.000 Did he go to the bathroom?

01:03:17.000 If you care so much about the dog, why don't you quit your job?

01:03:19.000 Make that your full time job, you know?

01:03:21.000 Anyway, but don't mean to countersignal the mom.

01:03:24.000 Sorry if I countersignaled mom.

01:03:25.000 She's the only one I don't want to countersignal.

01:03:27.000 I'll countersignal everyone else till the end of time, but the one person you can never countersignal is our moms.

01:03:33.000 She made me cookies last night.

01:03:34.000 She got me all my favorite candy bars.

01:03:36.000 I know that's peak meat posting, but I'm not going to pretend like I don't love it.

01:03:41.000 You know, I'm Italian.

01:03:42.000 That's how we're raised.

01:03:43.000 Our mothers take care of us until we have wives.

01:03:46.000 So I don't apologize for being like Tony Soprano or whatever. 0.52

01:03:51.000 And we got Losey, Lulzy, Try with a double shekel. 0.85

01:03:56.000 And that looks to be it.

01:03:57.000 And we're coming up on 8 o'clock.

01:03:59.000 So it looks like that's going to do it for us tonight.

01:04:01.000 I'm exhausted.

01:04:02.000 I've made too much content already this week.

01:04:03.000 I'm on, what am I at?

01:04:05.000 I'm at five, six and a half, I'm at seven and a half hours of content in three days.

01:04:11.000 Okay.

01:04:12.000 In two days.

01:04:13.000 Seven and a half hours of content.

01:04:14.000 That is superhuman.

01:04:16.000 That is ubermensch level content creation.

01:04:19.000 So I'm tired.

01:04:20.000 Thanks for the super chats.

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01:04:34.000 Gave us some interesting things to think about, things I hadn't thought about, going to be honest, that I'll have to consider.

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01:06:22.000 What am I thinking?

01:06:23.000 You see how frazzled I am?

01:06:25.000 There's no Overdrive tonight.

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01:06:30.000 I forgot.

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01:06:33.000 Idiot, Nick. 1.00

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America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - November 01, 2017

Mike Enoch & White Lives Matter | America First Ep. 44

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