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00:13:17.000Hey what's up everybody it's me Nick Fuentes back with another stream another afternoon rumble exclusive we have much to cover today a lot of a lot of different items for our consideration we're going to be going over
00:13:39.000This Turkey Tom documentary about destiny.
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00:18:47.000It's not horrible, but it's enough where it's making me tired and stuff.
00:18:54.000Man, that's giving me a lot of congestion, so I couldn't sleep last night.
00:19:01.000You know, it's one of those... So it's not terrible, but it's just enough to be super annoying.
00:19:06.000Hopefully I'll be better by next week.
00:19:11.000I was gonna do a show last night but you know I went on Vince's stream and I was only supposed to be on there for 20 minutes I wound up being on there an hour and then by the end of the stream I was like I want to go to bed I'm exhausted so I was gonna do a show but then I cancelled it because I didn't feel like it okay
00:22:43.000And the thing is, there is no degree of how public you are about it.
00:22:50.000There's no degree of how fanatical you are about it.
00:22:54.000If you are not absolutely subordinated to the Jewish lobby, it's a full-spectrum attack on you.
00:23:02.000Full spectrum war by the whole Jewish community.
00:23:08.000And what I mean by that is, if Candace Owens goes out and implies, like she did five or four months ago, that the Palestinians are victims too, you can see how this has now snowballed.
00:23:23.000Candace Owens, I think she said after the aftermath of October 7th, she said, well, I'm against genocide, period.
00:23:32.000I don't like seeing Palestinian children killed.
00:24:38.000So she goes on Tucker and she clarifies the remarks.
00:24:41.000And she says, you know, listen Tucker, of course what happened on October 7th was a tragedy, but it's a tragedy when innocent Palestinians die too.
00:24:51.000She goes on maternity leave for a couple months.
00:27:13.000If you don't back down, they escalate the attacks.
00:27:16.000If you defend yourself, they escalate the attacks.
00:27:19.000If you defend yourself from those successive attacks, they escalate the attacks.
00:27:24.000And it widens and intensifies over time.
00:27:28.000So, anyway, so she does this debate a few days ago, then she puts out a show, this is just a clip, she puts out a show two days ago, and says, why does everyone think I'm gonna be killed?
00:27:40.000She hasn't done a show since this show!
00:27:45.000And in this one, she goes over her whole career and says, well, these are all the naughty things I've ever said, and I'm really not a bad person, and I'm just trying to... I'm gonna stand with God.
00:30:48.000It says Candace Owens has been singling out Jewish people for attack in recent weeks.
00:30:52.000She recently liked a post that asked a rabbi she is feuding with whether he is drunk on Christian blood.
00:30:58.000She also said that there is a Jewish gang in Hollywood committing horrific things, suggested Jews are going to be blamed if TikTok is banned because they're responsible, and railed against DC Jews and rot.
00:31:17.000This is part of a long-standing pattern from Owens.
00:31:20.000She previously defended her friend, the rapper Kanye Ye West, after he posted that he would go DEF CON 3 on Jewish people, saying, if you're an honest person, you did not think this tweet was anti-Semitic.
00:31:34.000In 2019, she said, if Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run, and have things run well, okay, fine, I have no problems with nationalism.
00:31:45.000Which, by the way, once you're on their list, every time they write about you, they just give the greatest hits.
00:32:53.000Where the mafia comes to your business and says, hey, you need to pay us every week or every month, otherwise we will blow up your business.
00:33:30.000You know, you'll get Media Matters, Mediaite, ADL, SPLC.
00:33:34.000They will collect, they will literally hire people to watch everything you do.
00:33:38.000Collect every bad thing you've ever said.
00:33:42.000No matter how out of context, no matter how bad faith or disingenuous, they will take it, they will write reports about it, they will compile the reports that they have made, and then every time a mainstream outlet writes an article about you, like, you know, New York Times or whatever, they will borrow from Media Matters, SPLC, and that's what they'll put in the lead.
00:34:03.000And that's how they, that is how they put a scarlet letter on your name.
00:34:08.000So that anytime anyone hears about you, reads about you, sees you on TV, it's Candace Owens, who five years ago said this.
00:34:17.000Candace Owens, who two years ago defended Kanye.
00:34:19.000Candace Owens, who tweeted this, who liked to tweet one time, that said this.
00:34:32.000So for years, people will be conditioned to hear, white supremacist Candace Owens, anti-Semite Candace Owens, who one time said blah blah blah.
00:34:41.000Well today she did this, or today she did that.
00:35:21.000It says, uh, Owen's commentary caught the attention of notorious anti-Semite Nick Fuentes, who said on his show that she has been in a full-fledged war against the Jews.
00:35:31.000Fuentes is a white su- I like, by the way, how I'm literally praising a black person, and they call me a white supremacist.
00:35:38.000I'm literally on Team Black Girl, and they're like, well, but Black Girl has a white supremacist supporting her.
00:35:46.000How am I a white supremacist if I'm like, I love this person, she's a hero, she's sacrificing a lot, she has my admiration?
00:35:58.000How many black people do you have to support before they stop calling you a white supremacist?
00:36:05.000Fuentes is a white supremacist leader who attended the deadly Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, called for a white uprising to install Trump as a dictator.
00:40:40.000I think that one day we are all going to have to account for the things that we have done and the things that we have said and I want to make sure that I am NOT a person that is parroting lies.
00:43:16.000I think she's a little confused about some of the things, but I think, uh, well, I hope you heard the overriding part, which is that I don't want to make it personal with her.
00:43:23.000I don't really consider us friends anymore.
00:43:26.000Um, but that's just like the nature of the reality of the thing that we're all in.
00:44:08.000By the way, Dave Rubin literally made his career for the last seven years saying, hey I'm a liberal but I'm willing to talk to conservatives.
00:44:20.000We may disagree ideologically but we can still be, we can still talk and we can still have dialogue.
00:44:27.000But now he's unfriending Candace Owens.
00:44:56.000Once on the side of free speech and tolerance, progressive now banned speakers from campuses, cancelled people who aren't up to date on the latest genders, and forced religious people to violate their conscience.
00:45:08.000They have abandoned the battle of ideas and begun fighting a battle of feelings.
00:45:13.000This uncomfortable truth has turned moderates and true liberals into the politically homeless class.
00:45:20.000Rubin gives you the tools you need to think for yourself in an age when tribal outrage, tribal outrage by the way, a little on the nose, tribal outrage is the only alternative.
00:45:34.000He launched his political show as a meeting ground for free thinkers who realize that partisan politics is a dead end.
00:45:40.000He hosts people he both agrees and disagrees with, including those who have been dismissed, deplatformed, and despised, taking on the most controversial issues of our day.
00:46:41.000Dave Rubin is a gay Jew with a spray tan.
00:46:45.000The guy's like 60 years old, but he's got hair dye and plastic surgery and a spray tan to make himself look young, because that's what all those people are about.
00:46:58.000Are you not the big... What a fucking joke.
00:47:00.000Are you not the biggest joke, the biggest hypocrite in the world?
00:49:13.000Not only has he embraced a gay lifestyle and gotten gay married to another man, which would be bad enough, but he has also created a child through surrogacy.
00:49:25.000To adopt into his fake family built on gay sex.
00:49:30.000So not only has he completely embraced an unnatural lifestyle and surrendered to it and created a sham of a marriage with another man that's based on sodomy, but also
00:49:44.000He has inseminated a woman, probably artificially, and created a child, brought a human being into existence with the intention of depriving that child of its biological mother so that he can raise it in his household of sodomy with his husband, with his anal partner.
00:51:22.000He exists to control the frame of debate.
00:51:26.000If Dave Rubin is the platform where all the debate happens but anti-Zionists, anti-Semites not welcome, well there's your restriction on what's allowed to be said.
00:51:39.000Everything's up for debate, except for support for Israel.
00:51:42.000Everything's up for debate, except for whether Jews control America.
00:51:46.000Everything's up for debate, except for the fact that Jews reject the Lord Jesus Christ.
01:04:11.000I did it without bodyguards, without anything.
01:04:14.000I went to Iowa State when I was probably the same age, maybe even younger, and I was literally in a mob, like a crowd of black people, telling them like, hey, on average your IQ is lower.
01:04:29.000I don't know if the clip's on YouTube or anything, if someone has it.
01:04:33.000If I could search up Nick Fuentes, Iowa State.
01:08:16.000Yeah, this is Kyle Rittenhouse's statement.
01:08:22.000In a statement, Mr. Rittenhouse, speaking for himself, unequivocally denounced Nick Fuentes and the circumstances around the meeting taking place near Rittenhouse's office.
01:08:31.000Well, I have office space in the building.
01:08:33.000I did not take part in any meetings with him, nor would I. As soon as I was made aware that Fuentes was in the office, I asked to be excused for the day.
01:08:40.000I and the entire department were dismissed.
01:08:45.000Fuentes has attacked me personally in his hideous views, denigrate the memory and legacy of my Jewish family members, some of whom were victims of the Nazi's holocaust.
01:14:19.000Stephen Kenneth Bonnell II, born December 12, 1988, known online as Destiny, is an American live streamer and political commentator.
01:14:26.000He was among the first people to stream video games online full-time, and received attention as a pioneer of the industry.
01:14:32.000Since 2016, he's garnered further attention for streaming political debates with other online personalities, in which he advocates for progressivism and liberal politics.
01:14:42.000In reality, Destiny is all of those things, and he's also a very controversial person.
01:14:47.000While he is a progressive, he's also very edgy.
01:14:55.000Which sort of puts him at odds with a lot of the other left-leaning people.
01:14:59.000His community has been the birth of various popular streamers like Hasan Piker and Vosh, both of which Destiny has been at odds with for years, despite their initial interactions being friendly.
01:15:11.000I'm not going to, for instance, I'll use Hasan as an example, I'm not going to talk to a black person like Trihex and say, hey, the n-word, it's always- What a f***ing liar, dude!
01:15:22.000What a f***ing weasley little liar, dude!
01:15:27.000He's also been the subject of online mockery due to his marriage, which is an open one, in which he and his wife Melina see other people.
01:15:33.000Well, I guess I should say ex-wife, as they're now divorced, and she seemingly left him for someone who was one day away from taking hormones.
01:15:40.000Melina then demanded that Destiny send her $100,000 as compensation for their marriage, or something.
01:15:45.000His streams have also been plagued by a revolving door of friendship and hookup drama, with various individuals trying to come for his career with a litany of allegations.
01:15:53.000Despite the controversy, he's reaching a sort of new career high, debating various popular right-wing figures like Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson, being interviewed on every podcast under the sun, and his YouTube channel is getting upwards of 10 to 15 million views every month.
01:16:06.000He's sort of an unavoidable force online at this point, it feels like he's got a hand in everything.
01:16:11.000So I set out to find out who the true destiny really is, starting with his debate with Alex Jones of InfoWars.
01:16:17.000We're here in Texas, filming his debate with Alex Jones.
01:16:21.000Here at the InfoWars studio, security is extremely tight.
01:16:25.000They made sure that we didn't film outside, because I assume there's crazy people trying to mess with them all the time.
01:16:29.000It's a very, like, high-budget thing they've got.
01:16:31.000I cannot imagine a greater matchup of people.
01:16:34.000Destiny, the ultimate libtard, Alex Jones, the ultimate chud.
01:16:38.000They're going to be going head-to-head talking about... What's going on with the look here, Tom?
01:16:42.000I don't know what we're doing with the hair and the earring and... and that whole... the whole look.
01:16:50.000I don't know what's going on with the look.
01:16:52.000It's like, this is a classic case of what the thumbnail or the profile picture looks like.
01:17:04.000This is the this is the profile picture and the man yes little different Spot the difference The hair we got to do something about that hair man, it's got to change we can do better we can do better than that.
01:20:55.000The thing that was the most frustrating thing about that convo is, I listened to, the only reason I had that convo is because I was on stream, do you know who Sargon of Akkad was?
01:21:07.000When I was listening to those conversations, it sounded to me like JonTron was just, like, a well-meaning dude that, like, had some questions, and Sargon was, of course, like, educating him.
01:21:15.000And then I saw JonTron start to tweet out stuff like, if Japan's population can be all Japanese, why can't America's population be all white?
01:21:22.000And I'm like, aren't you, like, a Persian immigrant or something?
01:21:24.000That's kind of a weird thing for you to say.
01:21:25.000So then, eventually, we had a conversation on stream, and the conversation was not really me trying to, like, go after him.
01:21:29.000I was just, like, kind of asking him questions.
01:21:31.000I didn't know that he was as far along as he was.
01:21:32.000Because I remember when that happened,
01:22:20.000People always call me, like, partisan or biased or whatever.
01:22:22.000My biggest strength is, if you go to Hasan's stream, for instance, you're going to Hasan's stream to see, like, what do progressives think.
01:22:25.000But if you go to a lot of, like, political people's streams, you're just trying to get, like, their political side of things.
01:22:52.000I'm pretty sure that's just the position of, like, Columbia University and the New York Times.
01:22:57.000Like, I'm sorry, what's unique about that?
01:23:00.000That's about as unique as mourning Joe.
01:23:04.000Mika Brzezinski and uh you know guys like less radical than than Chris Hayes.
01:23:13.000I can kind of move through time without coming up and going away.
01:23:15.000You don't need to have a big watershed.
01:23:16.000The political movements like I didn't I didn't rely on Gamergate to build me up or I didn't need to be like a big Bernie bro progressive to build me up or I didn't need yeah.
01:23:21.000But it seemed like a big moment back in the day that was like a big kind of turning point for you a little bit.
01:23:24.000Someone leaked your dick pic on Reddit and that made like front page and I saw a bunch of people talking about how that kind of made you more like part of the Kotaku action kind of scene a little bit.
01:23:42.000You can see, this is an example of the kind of structure that I'm referring to.
01:23:44.000But, um, ShitRedditSays is a subreddit that's trying to, like, witch hunt, basically, people's careers into the ground, and then I was one of their favorite people.
01:23:48.000So they would, like, email sponsors, and then if sponsors wouldn't drop me, they would email their sponsors' clients to get them to drop me.
01:23:51.000Like, really hard- And this is just, like, small talk.
01:23:54.000It's not even an interview, this is like small talk outside the green room.
01:23:55.000Shouldn't they have during this part, like, talk more about the debate or, you know, it just seems like inappropriate to be doing the deep dive in this, you know, guys holding the
01:27:56.000The debate itself was very entertaining though, but as many debates are, it wasn't very productive and didn't bring a lot of closure to either side.
01:28:00.000I think those who support J6 and those who don't are probably just as dug in as they were before, but regardless, it was funny.
01:28:04.000We just got done with the Alex Jones debate.
01:28:33.000I didn't get to hammer home that enough unfortunately because Alex was also a clown but a much louder one so he kept cutting me off every time.
01:28:38.000The Darren guy seemed to be the one that came with the most facts to argue but he was most passive and didn't seem to talk as much because Alex was screaming all the time so.
01:28:44.000Yeah, I feel like probably either side, their audiences are probably not convinced of the other at this point.
01:28:47.000I don't think so, not this much, probably not.
01:28:48.000No, you weren't even able to get... I think you did a lot of preparation for this one, except you weren't able to put a lot of that to good use.
01:28:52.000Yeah, I like to do like the factual argumentation combined with kind of like the punchy rhetorical skill, but that's hard to do when you've got partners.
01:28:58.000Like for Alex, if Alex wants to shout at me the whole time, I'll shout at him, I can do that forever.
01:29:00.000But then if my partners want to try me, I can't really shout over them.
01:29:02.000And then sometimes they can derail like a line of argumentation I want to go down, and I can't really interrupt them because I have to go in their space.
01:29:06.000But I will say for this conversation though, they were the best debate partners I've ever had.
01:29:08.000So this is one example of, you've done a lot of in-person debates and conversations and podcasts in the last, I want to say year and a half, it's really ramped up.
01:29:13.000Before that, it was mostly you in your room talking to people on stream.
01:29:15.000Now it feels like, you know, every few weeks I'll get a new video of you on my feed talking to someone that gets turned into a TikTok clip.
01:29:20.000You used to stream like 300 hours a month, and now you're getting down to like 160, 170, and your audience is kind of jilted about that.
01:29:25.000Do you think that you're doing yourself a disservice by, you know, giving so much leverage to other people's platforms that you could be focusing on your own home?
01:29:29.000Obviously you have a lot of opponents.
01:29:30.000Who would you consider someone that you're like, okay, that's my buddy.
01:29:32.000That's a good buddy that I like to talk to.
01:29:33.000And maybe someone not from your community, not an orbiter, but somebody who you've had a conversation with on a mainstream platform.
01:30:35.000If Melina had gone public and just started shit-talking me a ton, I'd be like, oh, well, that's kind of shitty.
01:30:38.000Or if somebody that I consider a close actual personal friend started shit-talking me a ton, that would be like, oh, that doesn't feel good.
01:30:42.000I have, like, five people I call, like, good friends.
01:30:45.000You seem to have, like, I mean, I don't know, I don't really know, but you seem to have, like, a lot of connections with people you're constantly meeting.
01:30:48.000Yeah, I've got a lot of connections with people.
01:30:49.000I'm probably a few close personal friends, yeah.
01:30:51.000Do you think your lifestyle is making these things messy?
01:30:52.000I mean, a lot of people will point to your relationships, like the polyamorous relationships.
01:30:55.000Melina considered Bob Seven her closest friend, and it seemed as though he felt somewhat similar.
01:30:57.000So, like, he's made references to, like, oh, I hope... existence.
01:31:02.000You talked about how missing Nebraska a little bit and thinking about how maybe things could have been different if you had stuck around to be with your kid.
01:31:10.000Do you wish you were... Regret which part?
01:31:13.000I guess just not being there all the time.
01:31:14.000I mean, like, yeah, to some extent, of course.
01:31:15.000When I originally was there in Nebraska, I felt like being there was, like, super inhibiting to my career.
01:31:18.000So I had a little bit of a conversation with his mom about, like, could all of us maybe move to California or Florida, but that was, like, completely off the table.
01:31:24.000Uh, no, but we were, like, still co-parenting.
01:31:26.000Obviously, because she had her whole family there, and his mom had her job and everything there, like, she doesn't want to just pack up and move states.
01:31:30.000He's kind of locked down there for as long as he wants to be with his mom and his family and his friends there.
01:31:32.000And then, I feel like, or I felt like if I lived in different areas, there'd probably be a lot more career opportunities available to me.
01:31:36.000Some people said I just moved places with people, but I mean, I was just flying with people, so.
01:31:39.000I waited until he turned eight, because I was trying to think, like, well, do I want to leave when he's, like, two?
01:31:41.000That feels kind of weird, because he doesn't even know who I am.
01:31:43.000So I waited a little bit, like, at least eight, we can have a conversation, he can kind of understand it.
01:31:45.000When he was, I think, either eight or nine, I moved to California initially, so that, um, him and his mom, because they were living, like, in a kind of a shitty apartment at the time, and then she moved into my house with him, and so he lives there now, so he'd go to the same school and hang out with his family and everything.
01:31:53.000Then you wish you were, like, I don't know.
01:31:55.000I'm not trying to do a gotcha millionaire, I'm just genuinely curious, I hope you don't feel like that.
01:31:57.000Yeah, I mean, like, more present, or more, yeah, for sure.
01:31:59.000Like, to some extent, like, I'm, I prioritize probably my career a little bit, over, like, my relationship with him.
01:32:04.000Yeah, and I remember that, like, there was a period where I look back at these texts sometimes, it was so unbelievable.
01:32:07.000I'm, like, texting my kid's mom, saying shit like, I'm a horrible person, like, take Nathan away from me, I don't ever want to see him again, like, I'm a horrible, blah, blah, blah.
01:32:11.000And it's like, I'd never say anything like that in my life.
01:32:13.000I'm the most high-driven, like, competent person.
01:35:27.000I haven't seen him say anything or do anything stupid, but I know, like, uh, the problem is sometimes he ain't about a lot of, like, very political people.
01:35:31.000Like, the last gun thing they did, I saw f***ing Alex Stein was there.
01:35:34.000I, like, I'm not gonna be in any proximity to this f***ing guy at all, so, yeah.
01:35:58.000One of the biggest criticisms Destiny gets is in regards to platforming controversial people, like Nick Fuentes, head of the America First movement.
01:36:04.000Some people believe he should not be platforming far-right figures because there is implicit danger if their ideas spread.
01:36:09.000Others believe these ideas need to be debated out in the open.
01:36:12.000Whether or not he was a Nazi or wouldn't wouldn't have changed him coming on my platform.
01:36:16.000I think for a while America First was trying to get away from the crazy ultra like Jewish Nazi shit.
01:36:22.000There's still like memes and jokes but I do think they were especially with like AfPak and everything I think they were trying to move towards like a little bit more mainstream like probably still like a little bit of the Nazi jokes and shit but less than they were before but I think that as soon as he got hooked up with Kanye I think all of that went completely back and now they're like totally back.
01:36:36.000That's totally that's totally his reading of that.
01:36:39.000When we linked up in 2022, he was telling his audience, he's like, oh, I think these guys aren't Nazis anymore.
01:36:46.000I think these guys are like, they don't, they're not against Jewish power anymore.
01:36:52.000At AfPak 3, I went up and said, oh, you know, Putin's, they're calling Putin Hitler like it's a bad thing or something like that.
01:37:01.000They're always trying to do this de-radicalization op where they're like, oh well, I think they're good boys, or I think they're trying to be good boys, but they're being naughty.
01:37:10.000They're talking about Jews and Israel again.
01:38:48.000You should ask my community also if you ever want lore because they know shit better than I do sometimes.
01:38:52.000There was a big 2v2 debate that I had with me and Hasan versus Nick Fuentes and Sargon of Akkad and I remember after that stream Nick's stream got banned and I complained on stream and I messaged my partner contact because I said like like just curious like why did he get banned and
01:39:07.000Because if I'm debating somebody, saying I'm pro-platforming, and then they get banned afterwards, that makes me look stupid.
01:39:12.000Like, why the f*** would I ever do that?
01:39:13.000But there might have been- because I know that people say I spam reported Nick after that debate, and I'm almost positive I didn't.
01:39:18.000There's some video of you on stream, not spam reporting, where you actively are, like, pressing to report.
01:39:22.000That might have been a year before, or two years earlier, but there was a time when I first started getting into politics where I kind of believed in the, like, well, maybe we shouldn't platform, like, certain points of view, but that position has changed over time.
01:39:32.000By the time COVID rolled around, my position was, I don't care about, like, hate speech or anything like that, but I can understand people banning for, like, aggressive, like, misinformation or disinformation.
01:40:37.000But for the past, like, two or three years, I've been pretty, like, yeah.
01:40:39.000Because there was a time in 2018 when you would talk about, like, people who deserve to be deplatformed are people who actively spread misinformation on social media.
01:40:46.000Yeah, that was when I was on the misinformation thing, yeah.
01:40:47.000But you don't hold that opinion anymore?
01:41:47.000Societally, if it did get rid of those opinions to censor all that misinformation, all those people, you'd be in favor of deplatforming.
01:41:54.000If it was just like, you get them off the platform and then it's the water stops.
01:41:57.000I think it would depend on the type of misinformation and the level of harm, I think.
01:42:01.000Let's say, hypothetically, let's say there was some piece of misinformation you could spread that would get people to, like, um, eat Tide Pods or something.
01:42:08.000And let's say that this particular piece of information was so juicy that, like, if somebody heard it, there was, like, a 30% chance that they were going to start eating Tide Pods.
01:42:14.000I might still agree, well, maybe this speech needs to be banned because, like, 100 million people just died from eating Tide Pods.
01:44:03.000Yeah, dude, like, when he, like, called you a beta, I was like, oh, that was so good!
01:44:08.000So we decided to do some fun gamer things, some fun soy things with Destiny, which included going to an arcade bar, the favorite watering hole among soy gamers in Texas.
01:44:18.000Although, in fairness, I actually enjoyed it quite a bit, so count me in, I guess.
01:44:21.000Oh, were you on easy and he was on medium?
01:44:36.000Probably one of the most awkward things is when you're like, somebody comes up to you in a public area and they're kind of like chatting with you, and you're not sure if they're a fan or if it's somebody you're talking to, and you're gonna be like, I don't mean to sound like conceited, but like, do you know who I am?
01:46:29.000I knew that in case there was an armed conflict, Destiny needed to put the Soylent down for a moment and pick up a Glock to defend himself from the Libtard horde.
01:46:37.000Alright, so we're on route currently to shoot guns with Destiny.
01:48:13.000But yeah, I think I'm... I don't need to watch any more of this.
01:48:17.000I'm pleased to announce my new tour for 2024.
01:48:21.000Beginning in early February and running through June, Tammy and I, an assortment of special guests, are going to visit 51 cities in the U.S.
01:48:29.000You can find out more information about this on my website, JordanBPeterson.com, as well as accessing all relevant... So I guess we might as well start by letting the people who don't know who you are get to know who you are with a little bit more precision.
01:48:47.000You understand, I feel like they're promoting him now because he's pro-Israel.
01:48:51.000I feel like that's a big part of this, because he's like a... Yeah, you know, now that I'm saying it makes perfect sense, like... Because Destiny made a very calculated decision to come out as pro-Israel after the October 7th thing, and since then he's been with Shapiro, he's been with Jordan Peterson, they're both The Daily Wire, and it's almost like...
01:49:12.000Because of course the pro-Israel right-wing people hate that the left is now anti-Israel.
01:49:18.000They hate that there are so many anti-Israel people on the left.
01:49:22.000So it seems like the Jewish right, the pro-Israel right, is elevating destiny as an acceptable version of left-wing politics that isn't anti-Israel.
01:49:33.000Because all the other ones, the pro-BLM, the socialists, militant identity politics, non-whites, they're all pro-Palestine.
01:49:43.000Destiny evidently is maybe one of the only pro, like, very pro-Israel ones.
01:49:50.000So that would explain why he's making the rounds, especially at Daily Wire.
01:49:55.000And they were being sympathetic towards him.
01:50:39.000Let's start talking more broadly than on the political side.
01:51:02.000How would you characterize the difference, in your opinion, between the left and the conservative political viewpoints?
01:51:15.000On a very, very, very broad level, if there's some
01:51:20.000I would say if there's some, like, good world that we're all aiming for, I think people on the left seem to think that a collection of taxes from a large population that goes into a government that's able to precisely kind of dole out where that tax money goes, you're basically able to take the problems of society, you're able to scrape off, hopefully, a not super significant amount of money from people that can afford to give a lot of money, and then through government programs and redistribution, you target that
01:51:51.000Those taxes, essentially, to people that kind of need whatever bare minimum to take advantage of opportunities in society.
01:51:57.000And then on the conservative end, I guess a conservative would generally think that, why would the government take my money?
01:52:04.000I think from a community point of view, through churches, through community action, through families, we can better allocate our own dollars to our own friends and family to help them and give them the things that they need so that they can better participate and thrive in society, basically.
01:52:16.000Okay, so one of the things that I've always found a mystery, and I think there's an equal mystery on the left and on the right in this regard, is that the more conservative types tend to be very skeptical of big government, and the leftist types tend to be more skeptical of big corporations.
01:52:36.000Okay, so following through the logic that you just laid out, you made the suggestion that one of the things that characterizes people on the left is the belief that government can and should act as an agent of distribution.
01:52:51.000A potential problem for that is the gigantism of the government that does that.
01:52:56.000Now the conservatives are skeptical about gigantism and likewise the liberals, the progressives in particular, we'll call them progressives, are skeptical of the reach of gigantic corporations.
01:53:09.000And I've always seen a commonality in those two in that both of them are skeptical of gigantism.
01:53:19.000Concerned about, generally speaking, with regard to the potential for the rise of tyranny, is the emergence of giants.
01:53:28.000One potential problem with the view that the government can and should act as an agent of redistribution is that there is an incentive put in place.
01:53:38.000Number one, a major league incentive towards gigantism and tyranny.
01:53:42.000And number two, an incentive for psychopaths who use compassion to justify their grip on power to take money and to claim that they're doing good.
01:53:53.000And I see that happening everywhere now, particularly in the name of compassion.
01:53:57.000And it's one of the things that's made me very skeptical, in particular about the left, and at least about the progressive edge of the left.
01:54:06.000So I'm curious about what you think about those two.
01:54:11.000That the conservatives and the leftists face off each other with regard to their concern about different forms of gigantism and don't seem to notice that the thing that unites them is some antipathy.
01:54:23.000This is especially true for the libertarians, some antipathy towards gigantic structures per se.
01:54:29.000And so then I would say with regards to your antithesis between
01:54:35.000The conservatives are pointing to the fact that there are intermediary forms of distribution that can be utilized to solve the social problems that you're describing that don't bring with them the associated problem of gigantism.
01:54:50.000It's been shocking to me to watch the left, especially in the last six years, ally itself, for example, with pharmaceutical companies, which was something I'd never thought I would see in my lifetime.
01:55:04.000For decades, the only gigantic corporations the left was more skeptical of than the fossil fuel companies were the pharmaceutical companies.
01:55:14.000And that all seemed to vanish overnight around the COVID time.
01:55:29.000I would say that the current political landscape we have, I think, is less—I understand the concept of conservatives supporting corporations and liberals supporting large government.
01:55:39.000I think today the divide we're starting to see more and more is more of like a populist, anti-populist rise or even like an institutional or anti-institutional rise.
01:55:48.000So, for instance, I think conservatives today in the United States are largely characterized with, I would say, with populism.
01:56:23.000I mean, that brings us into the issue, too, of whether the left-right divide is actually a reasonable way of construing the current political landscape at all.
01:56:32.000Right now, it kind of is, but only because so many conservatives are following Trump.
01:56:36.000So, like, your populist, anti-populist thing kind of maps on kind of cleanly to the left and right.
01:56:41.000It doesn't work with progressives, though, or the far left, because they're also anti-large everything.
01:56:46.000So, in a surprising way, on very, very far left people, you might find them having a bit more in common with kind of like a MAGA Trump supporter than like a center-left liberal.
01:56:55.000So, for instance, like both of these groups of people on the very far left will be very dovish on foreign policy, probably a little bit more isolationist.
01:57:02.000They're not a big fan of like a ton of immigration or a ton of trade with other countries.
01:57:06.000They might think that there's a lot of institutional capture of both government and corporations, so both all of the MAGA supporters and the far, far left might think that corporations don't have our best interest at heart and the government is corrupt and captured by lobbyists.
01:57:18.000Yeah, you'll see a lot of overlap there.
01:57:28.000I think that people are largely guided by whatever is kind of satisfying them or making them feel good at the time.
01:57:33.000I think it's a really important thing to understand because people's beliefs will seem to change at random.
01:57:38.000If you're trying to imagine that a belief is coming from some underlying
01:57:43.000principle or is governed by some internal, you know, like moral or reasonable code or whatever.
01:57:48.000I think generally there are large social groups and people kind of follow them along from thing to thing, which is why you end up in strange worlds sometimes where, you know, like the position on vaccines and being an anti-vaxxer might have been seen as something, you know, 10 years ago it was kind of like a hippie leftist and now maybe it's more like a conservative or it's associated more with like MAGA Trump supporters or whatever.
01:58:08.000I think as a result of how the social groups move around.
01:58:12.000When it comes to the — you mentioned this, like, gigantism thing.
01:58:15.000That's another thing where I'm not sure if people actually care about gigantism or if they're using it as a proxy for other things that they don't like.
01:58:22.000Like, I could totally imagine — Well, I care about it.
01:58:28.000Because, like, I could imagine somebody saying that, like, they don't trust, like, a large government, they think there's too much, you know, prone to tyranny or something like that, but also be supportive of an institution like the Catholic Church, which is literally, you know, one guy who is a direct line to God.
01:59:04.000But I'm saying, like, even if you had a local government, like a local, like if you had a state government or tribe, usually they've got some form of enacting punishment.
01:59:09.000It'll be sometimes more brutal, but they can throw you in jail.
01:59:12.000Conscription hasn't existed in the U.S.
02:00:16.000The interests of people who lack opportunity are best served by state intervention.
02:00:21.000And there's a couple of reasons for that.
02:00:23.000I mean, first of all, I'm aware of the relationship between inequality and social problem.
02:00:30.000There's a very well-developed literature on that, and it essentially shows that the more arbitrary, the broader the reach of inequality in a political institution of any given size, the more social unrest.
02:00:44.000So where all people are poor, there isn't much social unrest.
02:00:48.000And where all people are rich, there isn't much social unrest.
02:00:50.000But when there's a big gap between the two, there's plenty.
02:00:53.000And that's mostly driven by disaffected young men who aren't very happy that they can't climb the hierarchy.
02:01:28.000The price you pay for a free exchange system is you still have inequality, but the advantage you gain is that the absolute levels of privation plummet.
02:01:37.000And I think the data on that are, I think they're absolutely conclusive.
02:01:41.000Especially, and that's been especially demonstrated in the radical decrease in rates of poverty since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1989.
02:01:49.000Because we've lifted more people out of poverty in the last four decades than we had in the entire course of human history up to that date.
02:02:21.000That's an argument, let's say, on the side of free exchange, but it's also a two-fold argument pointing out how we ameliorate absolute poverty, which should be a concern for leftists, but doesn't seem to be anymore, by the way, and also an argument for the maintenance of a necessary inequality.
02:02:39.000Like, I'm not sure that inequality can be decreased beyond a certain degree without that decrease causing other serious problems.
02:02:47.000And we can talk about that, but it's a complicated problem.
02:02:50.000Yeah, but for one point of clarification, when you say leftist, what do you mean by that?
02:02:55.000Well, I was going with your definition, like essentially the core idea being something like the central problem
02:03:05.000being one of relative inequality and distribution of resources, and the central solution to that being something like state-sponsored economic intervention.
02:03:14.000I mean, there's other ways we could define left or right, and we can do that, but I'll stick with the one that you brought forward to begin with.
02:03:56.000Because I would argue that when you look at, like, the fall of the Soviet Union, or you look at the failure of, like, socialist or communist regimes, I don't know if the issue there was so much redistribution.
02:04:06.000I think the problem... That was one of many issues.
02:04:09.000I don't think it was an issue at all, actually, I would say.
02:04:10.000I think the issue was, uh, command- Wait a minute, wait a minute.
02:04:14.000What do you mean redistribution wasn't an issue?
02:04:16.000What the hell do you think they did to the kulaks?
02:04:49.000The ability for markets to dynamically respond to shifting consumer demand is like the reason why capitalism and free market economies dominate the world.
02:04:57.000When you've got socialist or communist systems, command economies, where a government is trying to say, this is how much this is going to cost, this is how much you're going to produce and make, this is a failed way of managing a state economy.
02:05:08.000Even in places where they still do it, there are always shadow economies and stuff.
02:05:11.000There were in the Soviet Union that prop up where people tried to
02:05:15.000Basically ameliorate the conditions that are resulting from said horrible command economy practices.
02:05:20.000So I guess in a way you could argue a command economy is kind of like redistribution.
02:05:23.000You're talking about the socialist calculation problem and the price mechanism.
02:06:11.000Let's say, like, the Scandinavian countries, or... I wouldn't use Canada, by the way, because Canada is now... It's crazy how, like, conservatives like Jordan Peterson are still in this conversation about socialism versus capitalism.
02:07:12.000We're having conversation about, well, the problem with socialism is that they don't know how much stuff to make because capitalism has all of the consumers and producers in the market contributing information through the price mechanism.
02:07:30.000The definition of economy is about relative scarcity.
02:07:50.000Predicted by economic analysts to have the worst performing economy for the next four decades of all the developed world.
02:07:58.000So maybe we'll just leave the example of Canada off the table.
02:08:01.000Scandinavian countries are often the polities that are pointed to by, I would say, by people who, at least in part, are putting forward a view of
02:08:11.000They're not homogenous, they're homogeneous.
02:08:13.000Socialist healthcare in Finland does not work in the United States because it has a small homogeneous population.
02:08:19.000How many times have we heard this argument?
02:08:40.000Over the last 10 years, you're trying to flatten out the redistribution.
02:08:45.000Plus, they are also incredibly wealthy, which makes redistribution, let's say, a lot easier.
02:08:52.000So why doesn't a government that's bent on redistribution fall prey to the pitfalls of command economy and forced redistribution, for that matter?
02:09:54.000You know, that's an interesting rabbit hole to wander down, because the problem I have with negative externalities—you made a case already that—and again, correct me if I've got this wrong, but I think that I understood what you said.
02:10:09.000A free market, free exchange economy is a gigantic distributed computational device.
02:10:16.000Which, funnily enough, one of the big problems for command economies is called the computation problem because no central body can actually compute.
02:11:26.000With regards to externalities, all the externalities that a market economy can't compute are so complex that they can't be determined centrally by the same argument.
02:11:40.000There are ways to account for them, though.
02:11:56.000I think that's a problem sometimes of people very far on the left when they want to deal with certain problems.
02:12:01.000I think that they want to bring, like, heavy-handed, you know, like, things like price controls in to say, well, we need less of this, so let's just make this cost this particular thing.
02:12:08.000Which, ironically enough, introduces a whole other set of externalities that will happen when you get a lot of friction between where your price floor or ceiling is set compared to what a market would set it at.
02:13:07.000One of the things I've seen, you tell me what you think about this, something that I've seen that actually shocks me, that I was interested in watching over the last five or six years.
02:13:17.000I wondered what would happen when the left, the progressives, ran into a conundrum.
02:13:23.000And the conundrum is quite straightforward.
02:13:25.000If you pursue carbon pricing and you make energy more expensive, then you hurt the poor.
02:13:32.000In fact, I know you just don't hurt them.
02:13:35.000I heard a man two days ago who's fed 350 million people in the course of his life, heading the UN's largest relief agency.
02:13:45.000Make the claim quite straightforwardly that misappropriation on the part of interventionist governments increased the rate of absolute privation dramatically in the world over the last four or five years.
02:13:59.000And that has happened not least because of carbon pricing.
02:14:02.000Not just carbon pricing, but the insistence that carbon per se is an externality that we should control.
02:14:09.000Now, Germany's paid a radical price for that, for example, so their power is now about five times as expensive as it could be.
02:14:15.000And they pollute more per unit of power than they did 10 years ago, before they introduced these policies that were hypothetically there to account for externality.
02:14:24.000And the externality was carbon dioxide.
02:14:26.000I don't think that's a computable externality.
02:14:28.000And I don't think there's any evidence whatsoever that it's actually an externality that we should be warping the economic system to ameliorate if the cost of that, and it will be, will be an increase in absolute privation among the world's poor.
02:14:43.000So here's an additional argument on that front with regards to externalities.
02:14:48.000You get that wrong, and here's something you could get right instead.
02:14:52.000If you ameliorate absolute poverty among the world's one billion poorest, they take a longer view of the future.
02:14:59.000And that means they become environmentally aware.
02:15:02.000And so the fastest route to a sustainable planet could well be the remediation of absolute poverty.
02:15:08.000And the best route to that is cheap energy.
02:15:11.000And we're interfering with the development of cheap energy by meddling with the hypothetically detrimental externality of carbon dioxide.
02:15:23.000I think this is a complete bloody travesty, by the way.
02:15:26.000We are putting the lives of hundreds of millions of people directly at risk, right now, to hypothetically save people in the future, depending on the accuracy of our projections.
02:15:37.000A hundred years out, these interventionists, these people who are remediating externalities, they actually believe that they can calculate an economic projection one century out.
02:15:52.000Okay, so to be clear on the first thing, I was just giving an example of how you can use a government intervention to make a free market track something, which is what cap and trade or carbon taxes would do.
02:16:03.000I wasn't necessarily speaking to the strength of that individual thing.
02:16:06.000Yeah, but that's a good thing to focus on, because that's a major externality.
02:16:36.000And I'm not trying to be mean about this either.
02:16:39.000I can't see why you could base your argument that it was morally appropriate for you to swing to the left from your previous position because you saw disproportionate effects on the poor, and I can't use that argument in the situation that I'm presenting it right now.
02:16:53.000Well, because it depends on if we think it's a condition that ought to be remedied or not.
02:16:56.000For instance, if I walk around and I see homeless people and I'm like, man, this is really sad.
02:17:00.000We ought to spend more money on homeless people because it seems like they're disproportionately affected by their living conditions.
02:17:05.000And then somebody says, oh, well, do you think we should still lock up rapists and murderers?
02:18:16.000He's saying, okay, and Destiny gave me the same explanation.
02:18:19.000Okay, so you became a leftist because you want to create equality of opportunity through redistribution, through redistributive programs like
02:18:28.000Taxing the rich to pay for public education or to pour more money into public education, which is in itself like a ridiculous argument.
02:18:36.000But he said, oh, I want, I'm a leftist because I support, you know, expanding the social safety net or social programs.
02:18:43.000In other words, we need to lift people out of poverty.
02:18:47.000Then when it comes to energy, and Jordan Peterson's right about this too, even though I think Daily Wire is probably captured by
02:18:55.000Energy industry, because it was given seed money by the Wilt brothers.
02:18:59.000I think that's why a lot of Republicans are in favor of it, even though I also agree.
02:19:36.000Destiny says well, you know, but that's not a good enough argument just because the poor people be worse off doesn't mean that You know, we shouldn't you know, we'll have to wait here what the explanation is, but it's clear that there's just no rigor It's not his his way of thinking is not a closed loop.
02:20:21.000I think that Ben Shapiro looks at everything through the lens of what's best for Israel because he's a Jew, and that's just apparent by the way that he runs the company and the way that he talks, the articles he writes, what he chooses to focus on.
02:21:20.000Well, the literature says that those don't work and those cause poverty and you said that you became a leftist because you want to solve poverty.
02:22:11.000And that exact same idea, if you believe climate models, or if you believe that we're heading in a certain direction in terms of climate and the overall warming of the planet, would be the same argument you would make for climate change.
02:22:22.000Only if you believe that you could model economic development 100 years into the future.
02:22:27.000Well, we're not trying to model, we're more concerned with modeling climate development, economic development.
02:22:31.000We are equally, no, well, okay, tell me how I'm wrong.
02:22:34.000I don't believe that because what I see happening is two things.
02:22:37.000We have climate models that purport to explain what's going to happen over a century on the climate side, but we have economic models layered right on top of those that claim that there's going to be various forms of disaster for human beings economically as a consequence of that climate change.
02:22:53.000And so that's like two towers of babble stacked on top of one another.
02:22:57.000And so, because if people were just saying, oh, the climate's going to change, there'd be no moral impetus in that.
02:23:02.000It's the climate's going to change and that's going to be disastrous for the biosphere and for humanity.
02:23:08.000But that's an economic argument as well as a climate-based argument.
02:23:12.000It's both, but the worst projections of what would happen if the climate took a disastrous turn are worse than the worst projections of what is our planet going to look like economically if we hardcore police fossil fuels.
02:23:25.000I don't understand the distinction between the models.
02:23:28.000Well, the argument would be that whatever pain and suffering poor people might endure right now because of a move towards green energy, that pain and suffering is going to be short-term and far less than the long-term pain and suffering that comes along with it.
02:23:39.000Right, but that's dependent on the integrity of the economic models.
02:23:42.000And the climate models as well, right?
02:23:59.000like 50 years out now with the current rate of technology and calculate the potential impact of climate change on economic flourishing for human beings, we're deluded.
02:24:12.000So imagine that as you do that, and you project outward, your margin of error increases.
02:24:17.000That's absolutely, definitely the case.
02:24:20.000And at some point, certainly on the climate side, the margin of error gets rapidly to the point where it subsumes any estimate of the degree to which the climate is going to transform.
02:24:29.000And that happens even more rapidly on the economic side.
02:24:33.000I think right now this is a disagreement on the fact of the matter, though, not the philosophy of what we're talking about in terms of controlling externalities.
02:24:40.000Let's say that we think we can accurately predict the climate and the economic impact, and we think that the climate impact would be far worse if we don't account for that, both in terms of human conditions and— I don't believe any of those presumptions.
02:24:51.000Sure, but then if you don't, but I mean like obviously if I agreed with that factual analysis, I would probably agree with you on the prescription here too, right?
02:24:59.000If none of the climate models were accurate or couldn't accurately predict anything, then I'd also say why make them?
02:25:03.000Well, they're not sufficiently accurate.
02:26:01.000The time frame is incredibly important.
02:26:03.000That would be like saying, look at your, you know, let's say somebody developed cancer and they didn't realize it.
02:26:08.000By the way, now come up with a convoluted hypothetical.
02:26:11.000Do you realize that he doesn't know anything?
02:26:13.000So every time he runs into a problem, he gets out of the problem by creating a convoluted hypothetical?
02:26:20.000Because, you know, and of course that is a classic argument against climate change is that
02:26:28.000When you look at the record of the climate, one, there's so many variables like, you know, first of all, how do you even measure the climate?
02:26:39.000Is it the temperature of the atmosphere?
02:26:41.000You know, so how you record it is a problem, but then there's also variables that affect the climate, like the distance of the Earth with the Sun, and the type of Sun cycle, and all that stuff.
02:26:56.000We're looking at a particular climate trend, and like Peterson says, is this an alarming trend if we're looking at the recorded climate record, which is the last 100 years, or are we estimating out for 100,000 years?
02:27:09.000Earth is, they say, 4.6 billion years old.
02:27:13.000Are we looking at the climate over 4 billion years?
02:27:16.000Is the hottest year on record for one century?
02:27:18.000Does that make a big difference in the span of a billion years, a million years, a hundred million years?
02:28:31.000Like, what has he said concretely so far other than, I believe in a mixed economy?
02:28:36.000I think that's the only concrete thing he said, and that's because that's like the safest thing that requires no specificity.
02:28:45.000I mean, that's basically just inevitability.
02:28:49.000That's just how the world is, that you're gonna have some things that are privatized and some things that are nationalized.
02:28:56.000So that's about as specific, that's about as concrete as he'll get.
02:28:59.000He'll say, well, I believe in a mixed economy.
02:29:02.000We'll not stand on anything else, because anything else that requires any more specificity, he just simply doesn't have the arguments, doesn't have the knowledge, doesn't have the rigor to back it up with even the most minimal pushback.
02:29:15.000...person has lost, you know, 40 or 50 pounds in the past six months.
02:29:19.000And I'm just like, you look very sickly.
02:29:21.000You know, like, okay, well, look at my weight fluctuation over the past 10 years.
02:29:23.000He's like, well, that doesn't really matter.
02:29:24.000I'm not saying the time frame isn't important.
02:29:34.000Because that's when carbon dioxide, which is a gas that's seen as trapping more heat on the planet... Why is that relevant to the time over which you compute the variability?
02:29:42.000Because it seems like as carbon dioxide has increased in the atmosphere, the surface temperatures have risen at a rate that is a departure from what we'd expect over 150,000-year cycles of temperature variations on the planet.
02:29:56.000You just flipped to 150,000-year time span.
02:30:00.000What I'm saying is that if we expect to see a temperature do this in 150,000-year time span, in 100-year time span seeing it do this, that's very worrying.
02:30:08.000You mean like Michael Mann's hockey stick?
02:30:10.000The one that's under attack right now in court by a major statistician who claimed that he falsified his data.
02:30:59.000Uh, well, uh, no, I mean, uh, what I mean is, um, uh, basically we're like standing in traffic and nothing is perfect, always just retreating back to platitudes like, like that.
02:31:14.000Well, no climate model is perfect, but basically we're ignoring the problem.
02:31:21.000Deniable at this point that there is an impact on climate across the planet.
02:31:27.000We have no idea what the impact is from.
02:31:29.000We don't know where the carbon dioxide is from.
02:31:31.000We can't measure the warming of the oceans.
02:31:33.000We have terrible temperature records going back 100 years.
02:31:36.000Almost all the terrestrial temperature
02:31:41.000And then you have to correct for the movement of the urban areas and then you introduce an error parameter that's larger than the purported increase in temperature that you're planning to measure.
02:31:57.000This isn't data, this is guess and there's something weird underneath it.
02:32:01.000There's something weird that isn't oriented well towards human beings underneath it.
02:32:54.000You know, I watched over the course of the last five years the estimates of the number of people who were in serious danger of food privation rise from about 100 million to about 350 million.
02:33:04.000That's a major price to pay for a little bit of, what would you say, for
02:33:10.000For progress on the climate front that's so narrow it can't even be measured.
02:33:13.000I don't think the increase in hungry people on the planet is because of climate policies.
02:33:24.000They can't even get loans from the World Bank to pursue fossil fuel development.
02:33:30.000And there's plenty of African leaders who are screeching at the top of their lungs about that because the elites in the West have decided that
02:33:37.000Well, it was okay for us to use fossil fuel so that we wouldn't have to starve to death, and our children had some opportunities.
02:33:43.000But maybe the starving masses that are too large a load for the world anyways shouldn't have that opportunity.
02:33:50.000And that's direct policy from the UN, fostered by organizations like the WEF.
02:33:56.000They're going to have to turn to renewables.
02:35:00.000The left will sacrifice the poor to save the planet.
02:35:03.000And the left will de-industrialize even at the nuclear level, despite the fact that it devastates the poor.
02:35:10.000And that's even worse, because if you devastate the poor, and you force them into a short-term orientation, in any given country where starvation beckons, for example, they will cut down all the trees, and they will kill down all the animals, and they will destroy the ecosphere.
02:35:26.000And so, even by the standards of the people who are pushing the carbon dioxide externality control, all the consequences of that doctrine appear to me to be devastating, even by their own measurement principles.
02:38:51.000With fair regularity, and usually with a utopian vision at hand, the consequence is the mass destruction of millions of people.
02:38:59.000So why should I assume that something horrible isn't lurking like that right now?
02:39:04.000Especially given that we have pushed a few hundred million people back into absolute poverty when we were doing a pretty damn good job of getting rid of that.
02:39:14.000I just don't understand what's happening in Germany or in the UK.
02:39:20.000Like, look, man, if they would have got rid of the nuclear plants and made energy five times as expensive, and the consequence would have been they weren't burning lignite coal as a backup, and their unit production of energy of pollution per unit of energy had plummeted, you could say, well, look, you know, we hurt a lot of poor people, but at least the air is cleaner.
02:39:41.000It's like, nope, air's worse, and everyone's poorer.
02:39:45.000So, like, explain to me how the hell the left can be anti-nuclear.
02:40:19.000Something that I brought up earlier that is concerning to me.
02:40:23.000I feel like when people get political beliefs, I feel like what happens is, what we think happens, what we'd hope happen, is you have some moral or philosophical underpinning and then from there... Then he wants to talk about how people believe.
02:40:35.000Then he wants to talk about something that is completely intangible.
02:40:39.000You see how he's just like completely averse to making a concrete claim?
02:40:45.000Okay, are you free market or socialist?
02:40:49.000Well, I'm free market but I believe in redistribution.
02:40:52.000Well, how's that different than a command economy?
02:41:54.000So, you know, as opposed to making a concrete claim about a hard reality like something that exists, we're gonna make a very not-specific claim about something soft that doesn't exist, like how you feel people make their opinions.
02:42:10.000You know, what you feel is the manner in which people come to their political opinions.
02:42:18.000You combine this with some epistemic understanding of the world, and then you combine these two things, you engage in some form of analysis, and your moral view... Yeah, it'd be nice if that was true.
02:42:27.000Yeah, you start to apply like prescriptions.
02:42:29.000So, maybe I'm religious, maybe I analyze society and I see that particular TV shows lead to premarital sex, so my societal prescription is we should ban these TV shows, right?
02:42:39.000Ideally, this is how you would imagine this process works.
02:43:19.000Pushing 35 and the most sophisticated, profound, specific claim that he can make is that people follow their peer groups rather than have a rational methodology to create their political views.
02:43:41.000Are you sure you want to go this deep?
02:43:42.000I don't know if people can handle this.
02:43:44.000People are too dumb to understand this.
02:43:54.000Jenga tower that is like floating over a table and every block is like supporting itself and no real part of the tower can be addressed because if you pull out one piece it all falls apart.
02:44:05.000So people become like very stuck in all of this combined constellation stuff and none of it is really given like any analysis and you can't really push anybody from one way or another.
02:44:24.000You mean everyone creates an ad hoc position based on circumstance or other irrational factors and it creates a worldview that is completely incoherent?
02:44:37.000That if you challenge one claim and find an inconsistency that you find that the entire worldview
02:44:46.000Sort of like being a liberal but then saying that you support Jews committing a genocide in Palestine and genocide's not even a real thing?
02:44:55.000Something like that you mean as a good example?
02:45:19.000Jordan Peterson does like a 20-minute monologue about climate and how carbon tax is not... Because that is the classic... That is the classic example from... Who is it?
02:45:33.000Gary Becker or Ronald Coase from the Chicago School.
02:45:37.000That's the classic example of using government and contract law.
02:45:44.000You know, one of the few instances where they're okay with government coming in to ameliorate a negative market externality is the carbon tax, or the carbon tax credit, or whatever.
02:45:55.000That's a classic example, and Destiny uses that, and Jordan Peterson just rapes on the whole subject, just blows up the whole subject, not just
02:46:05.000But the very idea of these kinds of government interventions which will distort the price mechanism and create more poverty because that's what that is.
02:46:16.000Distorting the price mechanism causes inefficiency and inefficiency means more poverty.
02:46:23.000So he just defeated that concept and the carbon tax in particular and the climate agenda and the inconsistency, the kind of unexplainable inconsistency at the heart of it.
02:46:34.000And maybe the nefarious motivation behind that which explains why they support the climate agenda but not nuclear.
02:46:41.000And Destiny's Rebuttal is like, erm, people are irrational.
02:46:46.000Erm, people form their opinions based on their peer groups rather than a rational methodology.
02:47:59.000Well, you know, there are models now of cognitive processing, belief system processing, that make the technical claim that what a belief system does is constrain entropy.
02:48:16.000Now, the signal for released entropy, which would be a consequence of, say, violated fundamental beliefs, is a radical increase in anxiety, right?
02:48:26.000And a decrease in the possibility of positive emotion.
02:48:29.000And so people will struggle very hard against that, which is exactly the phenomena that you're describing.
02:48:46.000When I'm trying to evaluate a situation, I like to think that I have some, uh, I've got some insulation from the effects of what liberals think or what conservatives think, because on my platform, I don't necessarily have an allegiance to a particular political ideology.
02:48:58.000Like, right now I'm, like, center-left to progressive, but I break really hard for progressives on certain issues.
02:49:02.000I think Kyle Rittenhouse is on the right.
02:49:04.000I think basically everything you guys are doing with— This guy's an idiot, dude!
02:49:17.000It's like, you know, Jordan Peterson even outclasses him on the one thing that he can say.
02:49:22.000Destiny's like, well, I think people are irrational.
02:49:25.000And Jordan Peterson's like, well, perhaps that irrationality provides a social function, which is to constrain the options of what people can believe or what they can do by creating a negative emotional loop and blah blah blah.
02:49:39.000And Destiny comes back and says, well, with the political compass stuff.
02:49:43.000That's like all political nerds can talk about is their political compass.
02:49:47.000They can't say anything meaningful beyond categorizing different types of political belief and saying, well, I'm a center leftist.
02:50:52.000Indigenous people is insane, including the complete mass grave hoax.
02:50:56.000I think that I'm a big supporter of the Second Amendment.
02:50:59.000I have beliefs where I can break from my side, you know, pretty hardcore because I am not, like, allegiant to certain political ideology.
02:51:05.000One thing that worries me with this constellation of beliefs thing is that sometimes when it comes to evaluating a particular policy or a particular problem, I feel like it's part of the constellation and sometimes it inhibits people from, like, taking a step back and reasonably thinking about the issue.
02:51:18.000So when we're talking about climate change, you mentioned the WEF sacrificing tons of people, the UN, global elites, five times energy costs in Germany, genocidal people.
02:51:30.000I feel like this is part of a whole thing where it's like, okay, well let's take a quick step back and let's just think rationally about this particular issue for one moment.
02:51:38.000Well, you asked me what the motivation for anti-poor policies might be, so that's why I was trying to flesh that out.
02:51:43.000Well, I did, but I got all of those things before I even asked that question.
02:51:46.000Because I think it's totally possible that somebody might say, okay, well, when you put carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, it seems to cause an increase in surface temperatures.
02:51:54.000This has been happening from about the 1800s, and as we've started to track surface temperatures, whether the thermometer is on top of the Empire State Building or in the middle of a field,
02:52:02.000It seems like there's an average rise in temperatures, and people all around the world are observing this, in some places more than others.
02:52:07.000If you live in Seattle, and 20 years ago your apartment building wasn't built with air conditioner units, you feel that now.
02:52:12.000If you live in a place in London, and you've never had an air conditioner before, now that's not acceptable.
02:52:15.000I think that people on the ground can see that there are changes, and I think that scientists, when they look in labs, can see changes.
02:52:20.000It might be that some models aren't precise enough, and it might be that, for reasons we don't even understand... Listen to all the weasel words!
02:52:45.000But we obviously don't have records going back 500 years, let's say.
02:52:50.000But the Earth is a lot older than 500 years.
02:52:53.000The data that we do have is extremely flawed up until very recently because they, according to Peterson, they didn't even measure the temperature outside the major cities.
02:53:03.000And it's only surface temperature, it's not ocean temperature.
02:53:06.000So there's, in other words, there are severe problems with the reliability of the data.
02:53:15.000If the claim is that temperatures have been rising, well, you need to have very solid data globally that is reliable over a long period of time.
02:55:18.000Even with the cataclysmic collapse accounted for, you're going to see about 7% returns on average with inflation over long periods of time.
02:55:25.000I wouldn't call an average a very sophisticated model, analogous to climate change.
02:55:30.000That's fine, but that's the difference between climate and weather though, right?
02:55:32.000It's that climate isn't going to tell you what the temperature is on a given day, but it might tell you the average surface temperature over a period of one year or 10 years.
02:55:39.000And then that's the difference between climate and weather.
02:55:41.000Well, that's the hypothetical difference.
02:55:43.000It is a hypothetical, but again, we're seeing more and more and more data every single year that things are getting hotter and hotter.
02:55:49.000Let's jump out of our cloud of presuppositions for a minute.
02:55:53.000Now, one of the things that— Oh, no, wait!
02:55:55.000Before we do that, I just want to say, there are some things that we've gotten as a result of investing in green energy that have been good.
02:56:03.000So, for instance, the power of solar energy has dropped dramatically in the United States, faster than anybody thought possible, such that
02:56:11.000Solar energy is like competitive or beating fossil fuels in certain areas.
02:56:15.000As long as you can set the solar panels up, you're literally beating fossil fuels.
02:56:17.000Yeah, and as long as the sun is shining.
02:56:19.000Well, I mean, it still is, but we're not in nuclear winter yet.
02:56:22.000No, no, but it isn't when it's cloudy and it isn't in the winter.
02:56:24.000That's why I said depending on where you live.
02:56:25.000There are places, equatorial places, if you're trying to set up a solar panel in Seattle, you know, you might not have as much luck or New York City might not have as much.
02:56:36.000There are also other issues that are coming up that I think are obfuscating our ability to evaluate what's being caused by green energy versus not.
02:56:43.000When we look at energy prices in Germany, I think there's a similar constellation around nuclear energy, for instance.
02:56:49.000People don't want nuclear energy because they think of nukes, and they think of nuclear meltdowns, and they think of Chernobyl, and they think of Fukushima, and they think of atomic bombs, and that's it, and that's stupid.
02:57:43.000You think the world planners, you think the global planners that run major corporations and governments, that run the NSA, that run the CIA, that run the United Nations, that collect all the data, you think they have a comparable level of irrational anxiety about nuclear energy to the Hill people
02:58:05.000Which, you know, I'm going to sound very negative about Republicans here, but like uneducated Appalachian boomers over the age of 65 that thought that the vaccines were magnetic.
02:58:19.000Obviously, one, it's two different things.
02:58:23.000Obviously, number two, that is not the reason.
02:58:33.000It's the left in Europe that wants nuclear.
02:58:40.000The idea that they oppose nuclear on a massive level because they have an irrational fear of nuclear bombs just like the right has an irrational fear of vaccines.
02:59:03.000I mean, Destiny will basically accept any, any explanation, any plausible, not even plausible, any like, you know, tenuous explanation for what he believes, he will accept and earnestly pass it off fully believing it.
02:59:24.000Because there is an inherent contradiction, you know, why, why does the left
02:59:50.000They're rather they oppose fossil fuels because of pollution, but they also oppose nuclear even though it's the most economical alternative.
03:00:43.000But a lot of it does come from a place of genuine ignorance.
03:00:47.000Yes, there are very many doctors who say that the mRNA vaccine hasn't been tested sufficiently, that people should be taking it.
03:00:55.000Many doctors have talked about the adverse reactions.
03:00:58.000They've talked about the increased rate of myocarditis and precarditis from vaccinated versus unvaccinated people, but there are a lot of people that don't know any of that that are just skeptical of it because they're irrational or superstitious.
03:01:11.000That is not the case with the elite planners and nuclear weapons.
03:01:18.000Uneducated, largely ignorant people that have their own irrational reasons for not wanting to get vaccinated, and the elite planners who, for whatever reason, don't want to pursue nuclear as an alternative to fossil fuels.
03:01:32.000So those things are not comparable in any way, shape, or form.
03:01:35.000It doesn't make any sense, but yet it's one of these, like, both-sides, sounds, plausible arguments.
03:01:42.000But look at how earnestly, look at the earnestness that he's arguing.
03:01:46.000Yeah, Klaus Schwab doesn't want nuclear because he's just like irrationally afraid of nuclear bombs, bro.
03:03:13.000And there are technologies now where that's not a problem.
03:03:17.000And I think that's a counterproductive place for our discussion to go, because I also understand why people are afraid of it.
03:03:24.000But what I don't understand, for example, is why the Germans shut down their nuclear power plants and the Californians are thinking and have, doing the same thing, when they have to import power from France anyways.
03:03:36.000Or burn coal, which is a million times worse.
03:03:54.000at the energy level, but they're not renewable at the raw materials level, so that's a complete bloody lie.
03:04:00.000They're insanely variable in their power production, and because of that, you have to have a backup system, and the backup system has to be reliable without variability, and that means if you have a renewable grid, you have to have a parallel fossil fuel or coal grid to back it up when the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow, which is unfortunately very, very frequently.
03:04:20.000And so, again, I'm not going to say there's no place for renewable energy like solar and wind, because maybe there are specific niche locales where those are useful, but the logical, what would you say, antidote to the problem of reliability, if we're concerned about carbon, but we're really not, would be to use nuclear.
03:04:41.000And the Greens haven't been flying their bloody flags for 30 years saying, well, we could use fossil fuels for
03:04:48.000Fertilizer and feed people, and we could use nuclear power to drive energy costs down in a carbon dioxide-free manner.
03:04:56.000That seems pretty bloody self-evident to me.
03:04:58.000And so then it brings up this other mystery that we were talking about earlier.
03:05:02.000You know, what's the impetus behind all this?
03:05:05.000Because the cover story is, oh, we care about carbon dioxide, which I don't think they do, especially given the willingness to sacrifice the poor.
03:05:16.000And I think it's relevant to the issue you brought up, which is that people have these constellations of ideas, and there's a driving force in the midst of them, so to speak.
03:05:25.000They're not necessarily aware of what that driving force is.
03:05:29.000Isn't it more likely that people are either misinformed or misguided than people are legitimately trying to depopulate the planet?
03:05:37.000Look, misinformed and ignorant, that's plenty relevant and worth considering.
03:05:41.000And stupidity is always a better explanation than malevolence.
03:05:45.000But malevolence is also an explanation.
03:05:47.000And no, I don't think it's a better explanation because... Why would we waste so much money sending food aid, having Bush do programs through Africa for AIDS, having other billionaires like Bill Gates invest so much money in anti-malarial stuff?
03:06:01.000Why would all the global elites be so invested in helping and killing the people here at the same time?
03:06:08.000You know, and some of it's the fact, you know, many things can be happening simultaneously with a fair bit of internal paradox because people just don't know which way is up often.
03:06:18.000But the problem with the argument, okay, so you tell me what you think about this.
03:06:23.000So, you know, Hitler's cover story was that he wanted to make the glorious Third Reich and elevate the Germans to the highest possible status for the longest possible period of time.
03:06:36.000The outcome was that Hitler shot himself through the head
03:06:39.000After he married his wife, who died from poison the same day, in a bunker underneath Berlin, while Europe was in flames, while he was insisting that the Germans deserved exactly what they got because they weren't the noble people he thought they were.
03:06:53.000And then you might say, well, Hitler's plans collapsed in flames, and wasn't that a catastrophe?
03:06:58.000Or you could say, that was exactly what he was aiming for from the beginning, because he was brutally resentful and miserable.
03:07:04.000Right from the time he was, you know, a rejected artist at the age of 16.
03:07:09.000Now we get into the authoritarian personality nonsense.
03:08:10.000Destiny's just, he doesn't even know where he is.
03:08:13.000I don't think Peterson's, when he says this stuff about, oh, Hitler wanted to destroy Germany because he's resentful, because he was rejected from art school,
03:08:24.000This is just like Jewish authoritarian personality nonsense.
03:08:43.000And so there's no reason at all to assume that we're not in exactly the same situation right now.
03:08:47.000I think there's a great reason to assume.
03:08:49.000I think that Hitler's motives and everything that he was trying to do wasn't a secret.
03:08:52.000Like, I don't think that anybody had to guess that he was incredibly anti-Semitic, that his Aryan supremacy was going to lead to the destruction and the murder of, like, so many different people in concentration camps.
03:09:26.000People in Germany thought Hitler was perfectly motivated by the highest of benevolent views.
03:09:31.000If I were to take this standard of evidence and apply this lens of analysis, couldn't I say the exact same thing about the conservative constellation of belief?
03:09:37.000They don't want to intervene anywhere in the world because they don't care about the problems there.
03:09:40.000They're anti-immigration because they hate brown people.
03:09:42.000Trump wanted to ban Muslims from coming to the United States because he's xenophobic.
03:09:46.000Conservatives don't want to have taxes to help the poor because they want homeless people to starve and die in the winter.
03:09:53.000And yes, you can adopt that criticism.
03:09:55.000I think the difference, with regards especially to the libertarian side of the conservative enterprise, but also to some degree to the conservative enterprise, is they're not building a central gigantic organization to put forward this particular utopian claim.
03:10:10.000And so even if the conservatives are as morally addled as the leftists, and to some degree that might be true, they're not organized with the same gigantism in mind.
03:10:19.000And so they're not as dangerous at the moment.
03:10:21.000Now they could well be, and they have been in the past, but at the moment they're not.
03:10:25.000And so of course you can be skeptical about people's motivations when they're brandishing the moral flag.
03:10:32.000Why would we say that they're not as concerned about the gigantism?
03:10:35.000I feel like everybody is when it's a particular thing that they care about.
03:10:38.000You mean whether they would be inclined in that direction?
03:10:54.000You're correct in your assumption that once people identify a core area of concern, they're going to be motivated to seek power to implement that concern.
03:11:05.000I think cancel culture is a good idea, too.
03:11:06.000I think conservatives, prior to the 2000s, if they could censor everything related to either LGBT stuff or weird musical stuff, or so that they didn't want their kids to watch, conservatives would do it.
03:11:16.000But now that you see that, like, liberals and progressives are kind of wielding that corporate hammer
03:11:20.000Now conservatives are very much, well, hold on, we need freedom of speech, we need to platform everybody.
03:11:23.000And now progressives are like, well, hold on, maybe we shouldn't platform people.
03:11:26.000I've got no disagreement with those things that you said, and I have no disagreement about your proposition that people will seek power to impose their central doctrine.
03:11:36.000Okay, so then you might say, so we can have a very serious conversation about that, what do we have that ameliorates that tendency?
03:11:45.000In the United States, we've got hopefully a form of decentralized government.
03:11:52.000So that's one of the institutional protections against that, because what that does is put various forms of power striving in conflict with one another, right?
03:12:01.000And so that's a very intelligent solution.
03:12:03.000But then there are psychological and philosophical solutions as well.
03:12:08.000And one of them might be that you abjure the use of power, right, as a principle.
03:12:14.000And this is one of the things that was done very badly during the COVID era, let's say, because the rule should be something like, you don't get to impose your solution on people using compulsion and force.
03:12:28.000There's a doctrine there, which is any policy that requires compulsion and force is to be looked upon with extreme skepticism.
03:12:35.000Now, it's tricky, because now and then you have to deal with psychopaths, and they tend not to respond to anything but force.
03:12:42.000And so there's an exception there that always has to be made, and it's a very tricky exception.
03:12:46.000But, look, let me tell you a story, and you tell me what you think about this.
03:12:52.000Because I think it's very relevant to the concern that you just expressed.
03:12:57.000And I don't believe that the Conservatives are necessarily any less tempted by the
03:13:05.000By the calling of power than the leftists.
03:13:07.000That's going to vary from situation to situation.
03:13:11.000Though I would say probably overall in the 20th century, the leftists have the worst record in terms of sheer numbers of people killed.
03:13:17.000I mean, it depends on how we're quantifying that.
03:13:55.000It's just Jordan Peterson going off on the usual.
03:13:58.000Free market, you know, anti-collectivism, anti-utopian socialism thing, and then Destiny's just like pretending to take notes, laughing when he talks, looks down.
03:16:42.000Technically though like that's probably pretty good right because you're not like shooting like it's not like you're shooting everything like it's all like about in that area so if you fix the trigger pull it'd probably look about like minor grazes.
03:19:31.000What is the Candace Owens origin story?
03:19:33.000I mean, I know a little bit of it because, you know, me and you actually used to have a lot of conversations back in the day before she changed her number.
03:20:07.000I mean, it's usually not family members.
03:20:08.000It's just random people from your past that haven't spoken to you in forever, but still have your number and will text you and ask for a favor.
03:20:46.000When are we going to get the good stuff?
03:21:04.000But I thought it was weird when all of a sudden the people that liked Trump, you know, everyone thought he was like this iconic symbol of business, he was in rap songs, Trump was a status, flipped on him in one second.
03:21:11.000I didn't buy the narrative that he was in the media for three, four decades and suddenly he wanted me to believe overnight that he was like Adolf Hitler and a racist.
03:21:17.000So I just didn't trust the media's narrative about him and so I decided to actually listen to what he said.
03:21:21.000I still didn't vote for him in 2016, but I wanted to just listen to what he actually said.
03:21:24.000And then when I saw what he was saying versus how it was being reported, I just found it to be extremely dishonest.
03:21:27.000So I started researching more, learning more.
03:21:30.000I mean, I see some of these videos where they're jumping around and...
03:21:59.000Screaming and I'm like, yeah, they're definitely starting for some of them are definitely starting from a dumb place So can is smart though, and you know irony now is I get calls all the time I got what was coming.
03:22:11.000But yeah, and then I realized that actually I've always been a conservative I just didn't know it and economically speaking, of course, the conservative arguments make the most sense.
03:22:16.000Does that bother you that people call you Uncle Tom?
03:22:29.000And I think that kind of is, if you come out of the public school system, I can't imagine how you could be a black conservative when just the way that they even tell us our own history is just not true, you know?
03:22:37.000Do you think that that's true with most people, though?
03:22:39.000Like, you know, when you think of a Trump or just anybody, you're fine with them, but then you learn, like, their politics.
03:22:44.000You learn what they believe spiritually, and then you're like, oh, you're turned off from it.
03:22:47.000Yeah, and I don't even think it's necessarily the politics.
03:22:49.000I really do think the media plays the biggest part in it because Trump, as far as I know, Trump's been, maybe he used to be a Democrat, but he's been a Republican and a conservative for a long time.
03:22:55.000I mean, we know he had to have been a conservative in terms of economics.
03:22:57.000You know, he's wealthy, so you'd be hard pressed to find someone that's wealthy and, you know, advocating for Marxist beliefs.
03:23:01.000But yeah, I just feel like it's more about the media wants power.
03:23:04.000The media has a vested interest in things politically, and they like to make us think that we're having this open conversation and we're learning the truth about people.
03:23:09.000But these are just hatchet, smear jobs, libeling people, and I think diluting a ton of people to turn against their own best interests.
03:23:14.000So are you more anti-media as opposed to being pro-Trump?
03:23:17.000Well, no, once I actually heard what he had to say, I was like, that's a pretty solid pitch.
03:23:20.000I mean, it was his Demondale, Michigan speech, particularly.
03:23:22.000He got up there and he just started listing all of the statistics in black America in terms of poverty.
03:23:25.000I mean, these were just real statistics that he was talking about.
03:23:26.000And his pitch was basically like, you've been giving your vote to Democrats for 60 years.
03:23:29.000Why don't you just try something different?
03:24:03.000I think it's worse now because not only do you have people who will just create the headlines based off what they feel you said as opposed to what you said, you have people that will just straight up manipulate your audio, manipulate your video, just to push a narrative.
03:24:12.000One of the wildest things, craziest things that people say about me all the time, it drives me crazy because it's literally made up.
03:24:16.000They're like, Candace said racism doesn't exist.
03:24:17.000If you go find that headline of Candace says racism doesn't exist, they didn't put it in quotation marks because I never said it.
03:24:23.000They were like, Candace said racism doesn't exist because she's quote-unquote never been a slave.
03:24:26.000The words never been a slave came out of my mouth, but I never said racism doesn't exist.
03:24:28.000And it was in the context of an entire speech.
03:24:30.000The media knew that black people were not going to go watch the speech or try to find the original speech.
03:24:33.000They were just going to read the headline and react and be like, Oh my God, Candace Owens said racism doesn't exist.
03:25:14.000They were just, like, it was, yeah, like, it was, it was, there was no way to slice it, but it was, they were extremely racist.
03:25:18.000And it was terrifying, too, because I didn't know who the phone calls were coming from.
03:25:21.000Long story short, one of the kids in the car happened to be the governor of Connecticut's son, so it became this sort of overnight political story.
03:25:24.000And while it was going on, and there were, like, news cameras in front of the school, I left school and just homeschooled for, um, I think it was about six, eight weeks.
03:25:58.000Well, first and foremost, just for everybody, you should have a president that's, you know, not mentally deteriorating like Biden is.
03:26:03.000I mean, he's in full mental deterioration.
03:26:04.000It's crazy to pretend anything else that's happening right now.
03:26:06.000It's scary, first and foremost, because we have real enemies out there.
03:26:09.000There was this fracture in the conservative movement because people realized that when he was referring to the swamp, what he meant was it didn't actually matter if you were on the left or the right.
03:26:15.000They were all working together in D.C.
03:26:22.000So what was happening was these lobbying interests, like, you know, Big Pharma goes down and they lobby and they'll offer money to a candidate to go push a drug, like the COVID vaccine.
03:27:14.000This paradox of black people who will make an argument that, you know, the system is racist, and then also make an argument like this, which is essentially making an argument for the Supreme Court to revisit Virginia vs. Love and basically say that black Americans and white Americans shouldn't be on chemistry, read a book on building houses, and he just comprehends the concepts.
03:27:28.000Trying to tell me this is black culture.
03:27:28.000Like, I grew up in my grandfather's house listening to The Temptations.
03:27:30.000Stop trying to tell me this is black culture.
03:28:29.000Well, he told me, well, the tweet that he responded to was actually just some biblical passages.
03:28:35.000And he thought that it was me saying that I had to choose money over, I don't know how we interpret it, but it was definitely not, I just meant it as like, you know, peace, calling for peace.
03:28:46.000Because, you know, there was a video circulating of him calling me a disgrace and a faux professional or whatever it was.
03:32:19.000Let me just tell you, zero percent that you're gonna be the next- But every black kid, because of the way he's hailed as a he- Alright, okay, so that was everybody, the whole stream, was like, watch the Candace Breakfast Club, watch the Candace- Now don't get me wrong.
03:32:34.000Like Candace, love her, love what she's been saying lately, but this is just an interview about her and the black people, which is fine, but I'm not black, so I don't really care that much about, you know, all that she has to say about the black community, you know?
03:32:50.000The whole stream, the live chat is, watch the Candace Breakfast Club, watch the Candace Bre- and I knew it was gonna be this, because that's what it said in the title.
03:32:58.000In the title it said, Candace Owens on Black America.
03:33:03.000And it was an hour of talking about Uncle Tom this and LeBron that and some basic Trump stuff.
03:33:59.000So I just don't really it's all the guns and stuff just why And then just like a huge sit-down interview like a two-hour interview Let's just watch the end
03:34:22.000You're miserable, you're not gonna do anything.
03:34:38.000So, there's like a careful line I have to walk between, like, how much is too self-indulgent.
03:34:43.000Like, if we started to do, like, 12 months of exclusively OnlyFans girls biting people that are arguing about body count and pedophilia or some crazy shit, and then, like, no political content, that'd probably be bad.
03:34:53.000But if I did, like, 12 months of, like, what I just did for Israel-Palestine, where it's just, like, we're researching and reading every single day and that's all we're gonna do, I don't know if that would be as much fun either, so I try to... Get boring for you, you think?
03:35:03.000Yeah, I try to, like, walk a fine line between both.
03:35:05.000Is your number one goal in life through everything work?
03:35:09.000Would you be willing to sacrifice most of your personal relationships right now if I had a button?
03:35:13.000One button says sacrifice all my personal relationships and friends and one button says my job is gonna like 10x in the next year.
03:35:21.000I mean that's a hard one because like so much of my job is like stuff that I enjoy doing and it's integrated so much with like friendships and everything.
03:35:27.000So, like, I think I've even said this to you probably multiple times at this point, that if I worked at McDonald's, I would work at McDonald's, I would come home, and I would jump on my computer and start, like, fighting on Twitter with people.
03:36:40.000You're citing every section and I don't I you know, I'm not extremely familiar with it, but I know that they clarified it There's a lot of misunderstanding around it and it doesn't say what the first version purports to say it does So I'm sure if you're doing research you can find the answers on that
03:37:27.000I just think we are powerless to defend ourselves until the Catholic Church regains consciousness on this issue because the Catholic Church is really the only organized body in the Western world.
03:49:41.000You know, it's Muslims and Christians against these Jews that are just raping our country and censoring everybody and giving everybody a hard time.
03:50:40.000Question but you've said that you're a big believer in free speech and discussing controversial topics I'm sorry big believer in what free speech and discussing controversial topics.
03:50:50.000Yes in your To the people that are dressed up as clowns you guys can literally come to the front let them go first just like free speech and discussing controversial topics I'm sorry big believer in what
03:51:02.000Free speech and discussing controversial topics.
03:51:17.000Just recently, Kristi Noem, who is on the shortlist for Trump's vice president pick, passed the Ensuring the Security of God's Chosen People law in South Dakota.
03:51:27.000Effectively making it illegal to be anti-semitic.
03:51:30.000Richard Nixon said that Zionist Jews in America believe that putting Israel first does not mean you're putting America second.
03:51:37.000The definition of a fifth column is a group of persons inside the battle lines of a territory engaged in a conflict who secretly sympathize with the enemy, also sometimes referred to as a Trojan horse.
03:51:49.000The ADL trains every new FBI agent on their role as protect-
03:52:44.000The ADL is an organization that associates America First patriots with extremism, terrorism, and bigotry.
03:52:51.000My question to you is, what is so extreme about wanting to preserve this country's national identity and putting America first?
03:52:57.000Do you think a special interest group like the ADL lobbying for bipartisan support of Israel's interests before the United States would qualify them as a fifth column?
03:53:54.000She's gonna say, okay, you know, I'm not being embraced.
03:53:56.000You know, I'm getting, I'm getting drawn further and further into this controversy.
03:54:04.000So that was just a wrong move and the question was just like Convoluted like not an appropriate way to structure that for that setting So don't if that was a griper, please stop trying to it was it wasn't bad.
03:54:19.000It wasn't like Theoretically wasn't bad, but you're asking the wrong person.
03:54:24.000You should be asking the other people and Too long too many moving parts You know you're trying to write a thesis there
03:56:53.000What a surprise that I'm over here, like, me and Keith Woods are on big streams and putting out big tweets, redpilling people every day with solid rhetoric and talking points, and then from the Groyper milieu came something totally self-defeating.
03:57:10.000I'm just sh- I am just absolutely shocked.
03:57:14.000That from the Gruyper think tank, the Gruyper milieu, is like maybe one of the worst questions we could ask at this moment.
03:57:21.000Should we ban- like right now, Muslims and Christians are basically in agreement that Jews did 9-11 and killed JFK and are committing a genocide and hate everybody.
03:57:31.000What's the one thing that could sow division between them?