America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - Nick Fuentes ANNIHILATES FIVE FEMINISTS | Ft. Adin Ross & Sneako

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00:02:10.000 They don't know what they are supporting.

00:02:11.000 They don't know how bad it has gotten.

00:02:15.000 They don't know what is necessary to make the difference.

00:02:20.000 They didn't hear us on Twitter.

00:02:22.000 They didn't hear us on True Social.

00:02:24.000 They just censored the hashtags.

00:02:26.000 They didn't hear us when we emailed them.

00:02:29.000 And they didn't hear us when the Washington Post and every other news media outlet reported it.

00:02:35.000 For that reason, the Goyper War will continue and we will accelerate and intensify our plans. 1.00

00:02:44.000 We have to deploy to Michigan and we have to make it hurt as much as possible.

00:02:51.000 If he wants to stop the pain, he must stop the betrayal of America first.

00:02:58.000 My own narrative is not one of some sudden booming bolt of lightning out of the blue.

00:03:14.000 It was a slow and steady, unrelenting stream of blips.

00:03:21.000 Good evening, everybody.

00:03:22.000 You are watching America First.

00:03:24.000 My name is Nicholas J. Fuentes.

00:03:26.000 We have a great show for you tonight.

00:03:28.000 It is Sunday.

00:03:29.000 We're going to be debating 100 feminists with Aiden Ross and Sneeko.

00:03:36.000 It's going to be a good night.

00:03:38.000 Lock in if you're in the live chat, if you're watching on Rumble.

00:03:42.000 Say what's up on the stream.

00:03:44.000 Say hello. Do we have any legends in the chat?

00:03:49.000 Let's see. We got a bunch of people.

00:03:55.000 It's going to be an awesome stream.

00:03:57.000 I'm hyped to be here.

00:03:59.000 Happy Sunday, everybody.

00:04:00.000 I wasn't going to stream it on my channel, but I decided that I would.

00:04:05.000 Because it'll be good for my channel.

00:04:07.000 So make sure to follow me here on Rumble.

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00:04:16.000 Say what's up in the live chat.

00:04:18.000 We got Kwapi.

00:04:20.000 We got Kivster.

00:04:23.000 What's up, Kivster?

00:04:28.000 Hot Coco, we got Nuka Troopa, Fish Gruper, a lot of old heads in the chat, a lot of old heads in the chat watching the show.

00:04:37.000 Like I said, it's going to be a fun stream tonight.

00:04:40.000 I'm going to be debating a hundred feminists, Jubilee-style... 1.00

00:04:45.000 The topics are feminism, Trump and Kamala.

00:04:49.000 We're going to be talking about gay rights.

00:04:51.000 I'm sure we'll be talking about other stuff.

00:04:53.000 It's going to be very normie, very normie-coded, very basic, but that's okay.

00:05:00.000 You know, but that's okay.

00:05:03.000 Because this is classic.

00:05:04.000 This is my return to form.

00:05:07.000 This is a recapitulation of SJW meme wars of 2016, and it's going to be good.

00:05:15.000 We did the debate with Dean Withers a couple weeks ago.

00:05:18.000 I totally annihilated him.

00:05:19.000 He's now crying. Talking about deleting his Twitter. 0.61

00:05:24.000 Crying on a TikTok live saying he should have never started live streaming.

00:05:29.000 And everybody enjoyed.

00:05:30.000 It was a lot of fun.

00:05:31.000 Funny content. We got to go back into the basics.

00:05:36.000 We reminded everybody that the left sucks. 0.97

00:05:41.000 You know, normally, it's like I said, normally I'm debating like conservatives. 0.98

00:05:44.000 I'm debating like right-wing types.

00:05:49.000 Now I'm debating left-hards. 1.00

00:05:51.000 Now I'm debating stupid bitches and left-hards. 1.00

00:05:53.000 But I'm going to be nice to them. 1.00

00:05:55.000 I'm not going to call them that.

00:05:58.000 Forgive the expression.

00:05:59.000 Forgive the colloquial expression.

00:06:01.000 I'm not calling them that.

00:06:02.000 I'm just, that's the vernacular. So it's going to be a lot of fun.

00:06:21.000 Trigglypuff is going to be making a reappearance.

00:06:24.000 Get your hate speech off the live stream.

00:06:27.000 It's going to be just like the good old days. 1.00

00:06:30.000 You know, Trump is totally corrupt, totally corrupted. 1.00

00:06:35.000 Join with the establishment. 0.99

00:06:36.000 But the good news is the memes, glory days from 2016, they're coming back.

00:06:41.000 It's back on Rumble.

00:06:43.000 It's back on Kick. It's back on X. Sadly, it's only the Groypers that are doing it. 1.00

00:06:48.000 Somebody's doing the Groyping, Don.

00:06:51.000 Somebody's doing the Groyping. 0.99

00:06:53.000 They're bringing drugs.

00:06:55.000 They're bringing crime. 0.99

00:06:56.000 They're groipers. And some, I assume, are good people. 1.00

00:07:01.000 They're bringing nigs. 1.00

00:07:03.000 They're bringing crime. 0.99

00:07:04.000 They're groipers. So anyway, so it's going to be fun. 1.00

00:07:10.000 It turns out, though, there's a big development.

00:07:13.000 The highest profile debater has dropped out of the debate.

00:07:19.000 The black girl from the Jubilee video was going to be in the debate.

00:07:24.000 She dropped out at the last minute.

00:07:27.000 She said she didn't want a platform hatred. 0.99

00:07:32.000 So that sucks. 0.99

00:07:34.000 That's weak. They're all so tough. 0.99

00:07:37.000 By the way, I'm getting the platform anyway. 1.00

00:07:39.000 You stupid bitch. 1.00

00:07:41.000 I'm getting the platform anyway. 1.00

00:07:43.000 What do you mean? I'm not going to give him a platform.

00:07:47.000 I have a platform, idiot. 1.00

00:07:49.000 I have a huge platform on Rumble. 1.00

00:07:51.000 I'm doing the debate anyway.

00:07:53.000 It doesn't even make any sense.

00:07:56.000 We cannot platform hatred. 1.00

00:07:59.000 First of all, I love everybody, you stupid bitch. 1.00

00:08:03.000 Second of all, I'm already getting the platform. 1.00

00:08:06.000 I'm going on the stream, whether she's on or not.

00:08:09.000 So what are you even accomplishing?

00:08:11.000 I'm on Rumble every night with over 10,000, 15,000 live viewers.

00:08:17.000 I got 400,000 followers on X. I'm going on Aiden Ross anyway.

00:08:22.000 She's like, well, I don't want a platform.

00:08:25.000 So I think, honestly, it's a forfeit.

00:08:29.000 I win by technicality.

00:08:31.000 I win by default. It's a forfeit.

00:08:33.000 And we have to draw a negative inference.

00:08:36.000 The negative inference is that she wasn't smart enough to win the debate. 0.98

00:08:41.000 If you don't show up, if you're going to be a boss bitch doing TikToks and alien costumes, and he can't show up against a Groyper general, we have to draw the negative inference. 1.00

00:08:53.000 She couldn't win the debate. 0.98

00:08:55.000 So, disappointing.

00:08:57.000 I'm disappointed. I thought I was going to get a chance to finish the job that Charlie Kirk started.

00:09:05.000 Charlie Kirk started up on her.

00:09:07.000 I was going to finish the job.

00:09:10.000 I was going to take care of it once and for all with rhetoric.

00:09:14.000 But I've been deprived of the opportunity.

00:09:17.000 She forfeited. She ran from the debate.

00:09:19.000 So that's BS. I just found out about that 10 minutes ago.

00:09:24.000 I tweeted. I said, girl. I said, girl.

00:09:27.000 She goes, I don't want to platform hate.

00:09:30.000 I'm like, girl. Girl, stop.

00:09:32.000 Stop playing with me, girl. 0.99

00:09:34.000 Stop playing with me, girl. 0.99

00:09:37.000 Platforming hate? I have the platform!

00:09:39.000 Anyway, but I don't know how many other feminists are going to be in there. 1.00

00:09:44.000 I think it's like five others.

00:09:46.000 I don't even know who they are.

00:09:48.000 I don't even know the topics, really.

00:09:50.000 Aiden asked me last night, what do you want to do?

00:09:52.000 I said, I don't know. Let's do what we did last time.

00:09:55.000 So we're going to do the same topics, basically.

00:10:00.000 So we'll see. It's going to be like a five.

00:10:02.000 I think it's a four or five versus one.

00:10:04.000 I don't know the format. I assume it's going to be free-flowing.

00:10:08.000 It's not going to be too formal.

00:10:12.000 And I guess we're waiting on Sneeko.

00:10:14.000 We're supposed to start a little while ago.

00:10:16.000 We're waiting on Sneeko. That's what Aiden says.

00:10:20.000 So we'll see what happens.

00:10:21.000 He's watching my clip. 0.98

00:10:23.000 When I said I hate women. 1.00

00:10:25.000 From my chat with Tixio, Ed Craven. 0.82

00:10:27.000 Will not be offering a deal to Dr.

00:10:29.000 Speck. Yeah, so we're waiting on Stika. 0.58

00:10:37.000 We'll see. We'll see what happens, I guess.

00:10:42.000 It's going to be fun. What do you think I should say?

00:10:45.000 Okay, prediction.

00:10:46.000 Who's going to win? One in the chat if you think I'm going to win.

00:10:49.000 Two in the chat if you think the feminists are going to win. 1.00

00:10:53.000 Let's take a quick poll.

00:10:54.000 One for me, two for the women's, two for the femoids. 1.00

00:10:58.000 Two for the femoids, females. 1.00

00:11:02.000 I think I'm going to win. I don't know how it's going to go, though.

00:11:04.000 I don't even know who it is.

00:11:06.000 I don't even know who the feminists are. 1.00

00:11:09.000 So I wonder what kind of mix we're going to get, because obviously it depends heavily on the mix.

00:11:15.000 Is it going to be political people?

00:11:16.000 Is it going to be regular volunteers? 0.99

00:11:18.000 Is it going to be sluts like OnlyFans girls? 1.00

00:11:21.000 Is it going to be political people? 0.99

00:11:23.000 I don't even know what we're dealing with here.

00:11:26.000 I'm flying blind. Are they going to be ugly? 0.90

00:11:28.000 If they're ugly, it's an automatic victory. 0.68

00:11:32.000 If they're ugly, you're going to know what I'm thinking.

00:11:37.000 It's kind of like an automatic victory, I'm not going to lie.

00:11:41.000 But we'll see. I'm not going to attack them on their appearance unless they attack me first.

00:11:45.000 If they do personal attacks, I'll get personal, equal rights, equal fights.

00:11:51.000 If it's a feminist debate, you can't throw up your hands and say, time out. 1.00

00:11:56.000 Normally, I would go easy on women, but since it's a feminist debate, We're good to go. 1.00

00:12:30.000 I don't have the notifications on.

00:12:32.000 People keep pinging me.

00:12:33.000 People keep spamming me.

00:12:37.000 Alright. Alright, so I got him on the line here.

00:12:40.000 Hello? Or no, he's not in yet.

00:12:44.000 Alright. Well, we're waiting for him.

00:12:47.000 I think he called me like 10 minutes ago.

00:12:51.000 And I missed it cause I was talking, but he'll be in here in a sec.

00:13:00.000 Predictions. What do we think? What are we thinking? Chat.

00:13:03.000 What are we thinking? I don't know.

00:13:04.000 I don't know what to predict because, like I said, I don't really know.

00:13:10.000 With Dean, we kind of knew what we were dealing with.

00:13:12.000 It's like one of those left-wing debate bro types.

00:13:15.000 Very typical. We've all seen that before.

00:13:18.000 Nick, can you hear me? Yes, can you hear me?

00:13:21.000 Hey, Nick! Hey, what's up?

00:13:23.000 Hey, brother, how are you?

00:13:25.000 I'm good. How are you, man?

00:13:26.000 How's your birthday? Oh, dude, thank you so much for asking.

00:13:29.000 Let me put my camera on, man. An absolutely excellent birthday.

00:13:33.000 I had a great time.

00:13:34.000 Great people. Great energy.

00:13:36.000 It was great, and I really appreciate you calling me, man.

00:13:38.000 It made my day.

00:13:40.000 Yeah, man, of course. I saw it was Aiden Ross' birthday, and Got to give the birthday boy a shout-out.

00:13:47.000 Yeah, what do you think about this debate?

00:13:48.000 Who is it? I don't even know who the feminists are. 1.00

00:13:51.000 You got to tell me who it is.

00:13:53.000 Okay, so I do have to tell you one thing.

00:13:54.000 You remember the girl that Charlie Kirk did?

00:13:56.000 The girl with the big nose piercing? 0.85

00:13:59.000 Yeah. I would spam her every day. 0.64

00:14:01.000 Please do this. Please do this.

00:14:02.000 It's going to be great. It's going to be huge.

00:14:04.000 If you want to help influence another side, you can.

00:14:09.000 You're going to have a big platform, big eyes on you.

00:14:11.000 She said, no, no.

00:14:12.000 I offered $20,000.

00:14:14.000 She still said no.

00:14:16.000 She said something like, it doesn't really make sense to do it.

00:14:21.000 So she kind of ducked, bro.

00:14:22.000 I don't know what it is.

00:14:24.000 I don't know what you got going on, Nick, but a lot of people are pretty scared.

00:14:28.000 That's crazy. I was talking about it.

00:14:30.000 I just saw it before I went live.

00:14:32.000 One of your Eclipse accounts said she's not coming on.

00:14:34.000 I said, girl, she said she can't platform me because of hate.

00:14:38.000 It's like, first of all, I love everybody.

00:14:41.000 Okay, that's one. But two, it's like we're doing the debate anyway, so it doesn't even make any sense.

00:14:46.000 That's just like what people say.

00:14:48.000 They go, I can't give them a platform.

00:14:49.000 It's like I have a platform.

00:14:51.000 Right, right. I do want to say, oh, Sneeko, yeah, Sneeko, come on in.

00:14:54.000 I opened your Rumble chat for one second.

00:14:57.000 Somebody said L Dragon Nose.

00:14:59.000 Is my nose really a dragon nose?

00:15:01.000 Like, do I have a point?

00:15:02.000 What's up, brother? No, I don't think so.

00:15:04.000 Shalom. Hey, what up?

00:15:06.000 Oh, you can pull up that chair, baby. 0.87

00:15:09.000 Do you have herpes, by the way? I don't have herpes.

00:15:11.000 It was a false accusation.

00:15:12.000 False accusation. No, I don't have herpes.

00:15:14.000 You don't have AIDS? No AIDS, no herpes.

00:15:15.000 Sit down. I asked him to give me a mask.

00:15:17.000 Sit the fuck down, dude. Do not have... 1.00

00:15:18.000 I have nothing. I'm clean as a whistle.

00:15:20.000 All right. All right. Hey, what's up, man?

00:15:24.000 Hey, what's going on, Stico?

00:15:26.000 Good to see you. Hey, wait.

00:15:27.000 Do I really have a Juno's?

00:15:30.000 No, I don't think so.

00:15:32.000 Yes, it goes below the septum line.

00:15:36.000 Give us a full side profile.

00:15:37.000 Give us a full side. You're kind of hiding it a little.

00:15:40.000 It's supposed to dip below.

00:15:41.000 Oh yeah, that's not even hooked.

00:15:43.000 Why are you on your knees next to me, bro?

00:15:45.000 Yeah, it seems unnecessary, but...

00:15:48.000 Sorry. Hey, Nick, okay, so how do you feel going into these things?

00:15:53.000 Let me tell you the topics that I have written down.

00:15:55.000 If you want to add in one more, I think we'll have enough time for this.

00:15:58.000 I wrote five if you want. You wrote five?

00:15:59.000 Yeah, I got five of your questions. 0.58

00:16:01.000 Okay, well, I wrote, is being gay wrong?

00:16:04.000 We wrote, are men more superior than women, like last time? 0.99

00:16:08.000 We wrote, Kamala or Trump?

00:16:10.000 And then I wrote, transgenderism.

00:16:12.000 That's not a question. Okay, so let's talk.

00:16:14.000 What other ones do you have? I think those are all good.

00:16:18.000 I like Kamala versus Trump again.

00:16:20.000 But yeah, are men and women equal? I think those are two good questions.

00:16:22.000 Last time, should women vote? 1.00

00:16:25.000 I like that one because that's going to start...

00:16:27.000 It's a good question, you know, and it's on topic and it's going to get both sides angry.

00:16:31.000 Yep. Also, I've added, is it okay to be fat?

00:16:34.000 I like this one. I want to bring up that subject.

00:16:36.000 That's great. I love that. Is it okay to be fat?

00:16:39.000 And should gay people be allowed to adopt babies? 1.00

00:16:44.000 I like that one, too. I like that one, too.

00:16:46.000 It's a good one. And then for the fifth one, I wrote is religious law oppressive, but we could change that to Kamala.

00:16:51.000 Hold on. Can a woman put mayo when they make you a sandwich is a good one. 1.00

00:16:54.000 That's right. No, obviously.

00:16:57.000 I'm just fucking kidding. I stole that from someone in my chat. 0.97

00:17:00.000 All right. Well, look, dude, I have to invite you to the server.

00:17:03.000 I'm going to save the link. Don't link it on your stream yet.

00:17:05.000 Okay. I'm going to save you the link.

00:17:07.000 I'm going to give you roles so you'll be able to just hop right in.

00:17:09.000 All right? Okay. All right.

00:17:11.000 Let me send the server to you right now.

00:17:12.000 I'll see you in a second. All right.

00:17:14.000 All right. All right.

00:17:16.000 Here we go. Let me hide this so we don't dox the server again like last time.

00:17:20.000 My bad. So this will be good.

00:17:24.000 Yeah. So confirmed...

00:17:26.000 Black girl's not going to be in it. 1.00

00:17:29.000 I don't know who's going to be in it, though, but these are some good topics.

00:17:31.000 It's going to be good. All right, here we go.

00:17:36.000 We're in the thick of it.

00:17:41.000 All right. Hey.

00:17:49.000 Okay. All right, let me do this.

00:17:53.000 There we go. I will turn the camera off.

00:17:55.000 Alright, so Nick, I'm going to turn my camera off when we drag the first girl in here. 1.00

00:18:00.000 Okay, how should the format be, guys?

00:18:01.000 So we basically just have one girl join.

00:18:04.000 Like, how should we do it? What's the way we should do it?

00:18:06.000 So if you want to do it similar to Jubilee, it was like 20 minutes each.

00:18:11.000 Yeah, we spend 20 minutes max on each topic.

00:18:13.000 I agree. Yeah, I think we go one at a time.

00:18:16.000 No, but there's five of them, and we want to keep cycling through.

00:18:18.000 But I think a good segment would be if all five come in at once to debate.

00:18:21.000 Like, I want to see...

00:18:22.000 Okay, so all five come in at once, and then each girl has, like, what, two minutes to basically respond to the question?

00:18:28.000 Yeah, two minutes back and forth, but...

00:18:31.000 Yeah, we just sub-mute them.

00:18:32.000 Okay, that's fine. Let's drag everyone in.

00:18:34.000 We're going to have everyone introduce themselves first.

00:18:36.000 Can you flip this one here? Yeah.

00:18:38.000 I was going to say, hold on. Let me text you again.

00:18:41.000 I think we have another headphones we can just set up.

00:18:43.000 Oh. Hello?

00:18:46.000 That's not a girl. Are you a feminist but male? 1.00

00:18:53.000 I'm talking about the black guy. 0.99

00:18:55.000 The black guy, yeah. He's a feminist? 1.00

00:18:57.000 Yes, you would be right. I'm trying to turn my camera on.

00:19:01.000 It's tough. This looks like a Netflix show.

00:19:07.000 Okay. We're just waiting on the rest.

00:19:10.000 Oh, wow.

00:19:11.000 Okay.

00:19:12.000 We're waiting on a few more.

00:19:19.000 Can we put the boobs away? 1.00

00:19:25.000 What kind of stream is this? 0.84

00:19:26.000 What are we doing? Is this a debate?

00:19:28.000 Oh my god!

00:19:31.000 Dude, wait, hold on. Who is their camera on right here?

00:19:35.000 That's why I even pushed it back so that we could get more boobs. 1.00

00:19:39.000 Can we put on, like, a sweatshirt or something? 0.77

00:19:42.000 A burka. A burka? 0.95

00:19:44.000 Yeah. Oh, fuck, Liko. 1.00

00:19:48.000 But, Liko, what if he has wired headphones? 1.00

00:19:50.000 Because I have an aux cord. Oh, yeah, I don't think it'll work.

00:19:53.000 Very diverse panel.

00:19:55.000 The intersectional.

00:19:57.000 Yeah, Bernal, we see you.

00:19:58.000 We're just waiting on one more person.

00:20:01.000 Shianna and Prismel, who is this right here?

00:20:04.000 They have to put the camera on their name.

00:20:06.000 Hello, Shianna, how you doing?

00:20:09.000 Alright, perfect. We're just waiting on one more person to fix their camera and we're ready to start.

00:20:14.000 Okay. Um, Jazz.

00:20:16.000 Yeah. I'm gonna get...

00:20:18.000 Jazz, there's no nipples that'll flop out, right? 0.98

00:20:20.000 No. No, look. 0.98

00:20:21.000 It's not. Alright.

00:20:24.000 I don't want to get banned is all, you know? 0.97

00:20:25.000 I can barely hear her over the boobs. 1.00

00:20:27.000 Okay, Nick, if you right-click each individual's picture, you can turn their volume up, by the way.

00:20:40.000 Okay, cool. All right.

00:20:45.000 I want to get started.

00:20:46.000 We're just waiting on one more person, guys.

00:20:47.000 For now, you guys want to introduce yourself.

00:20:49.000 Burnout, you can go on and out, start introducing yourself.

00:20:52.000 Talk about yourself. Give a little introduction.

00:20:53.000 Go ahead. Hi, I'm Burnout.

00:20:56.000 I'm Brooklyn-based.

00:20:58.000 I'm an artist and musician.

00:21:00.000 And, you know, I'm here for the feminists. 1.00

00:21:02.000 You feel me? Salute.

00:21:06.000 Alright. That's great.

00:21:07.000 That's great. Okay. I'm sorry.

00:21:09.000 Your name doesn't pop up, but the...

00:21:11.000 Oh, there we go.

00:21:12.000 I see you now. Hello.

00:21:14.000 You can go ahead and introduce yourself.

00:21:17.000 Blonde hair girl with dreads.

00:21:20.000 Blonde hair girl with dreads is creepy. 1.00

00:21:22.000 I mean, is that not what she has?

00:21:24.000 No, you're absolutely right.

00:21:26.000 I just, you know...

00:21:28.000 I don't know if you're picking up by the description a little bit.

00:21:32.000 Okay, um, go ahead.

00:21:34.000 Blond dreads.

00:21:38.000 Can you guys hear me? Yeah.

00:21:43.000 Hey everyone, I'm Jada.

00:21:53.000 I'm a criminologist, I'm a student, and yeah, I'm excited to be on.

00:22:00.000 Why did you decide to join this debate today?

00:22:03.000 Just because I like arguing.

00:22:10.000 No, I'm kidding. I am really excited to try to change this guy's point of view.

00:22:19.000 I've seen some of his stuff, so yeah.

00:22:22.000 Perfect. That's great.

00:22:24.000 Wait, so one more time. What's your name?

00:22:26.000 Jada. Jada.

00:22:28.000 And then top left, Burnout.

00:22:29.000 Just call you Burnout? Yeah, I'm just burning out.

00:22:32.000 Okay, great. Okay, the next girl, if you can please introduce yourself and give a little description and why you decided to be here today.

00:22:38.000 Yep. Yes. Okay.

00:22:40.000 My name is Christine.

00:22:41.000 I'm a Crisis Line Specialist for Domestic Violence Crisis Line, and I make music as well.

00:22:46.000 But I kind of want to be on here because I think a lot of people's ideas of feminism is like, you know, the Taylor Swift white feminism or the women that wear pink pussy hats, and I just want to say, like, we're not all like that, you know?

00:22:58.000 Like, I just think it's...

00:23:00.000 But I try to look up Nick's stuff and I got luck everywhere else but TikTok.

00:23:06.000 I looked up Nick Fuentes and it said against community bylines and Nick Fuentes with a Z against community by like guidelines.

00:23:12.000 I was like, oh my God, they really don't want to show his stuff.

00:23:15.000 But I got to watch a few of your stuff and things like on YouTube and they love you on Twitter.

00:23:21.000 So yeah. Okay, guys, real quick.

00:23:26.000 There's somebody with their camera off. If you guys can just please try to keep it on because it's going to ruin the layout of the streams for me and Nick.

00:23:32.000 But I appreciate that. Thank you guys.

00:23:33.000 Just have your camera straight. Okay.

00:23:35.000 What was your name again? Christine?

00:23:39.000 Yeah. Gotcha.

00:23:40.000 Nice to meet you. Okay. Izaki, you can go ahead and introduce yourself while you're here.

00:23:45.000 Wait, can you guys see me?

00:23:47.000 Yeah, I can see you.

00:23:48.000 Yeah, I can see myself.

00:23:50.000 But yeah, my name is Isaac.

00:23:51.000 I'm from Houston. I'm currently a college student majoring in political science.

00:23:58.000 And of course, I know who Nick is.

00:24:00.000 I know who Aiden Ross is.

00:24:01.000 I know Sneeko. I don't agree with all the, you know, a lot of you guys, but I am looking forward to a productive discussion.

00:24:08.000 Okay, why did you decide to join this debate today?

00:24:11.000 Well, I've been a lifelong feminist, and I just recently started getting into the political sphere.

00:24:17.000 I appeared in the last Jubilee video covering this exact topic.

00:24:22.000 So, yeah, that's pretty much it.

00:24:24.000 Okay, that sounds great.

00:24:26.000 And in the middle?

00:24:30.000 Oh, we can't hear you. If you can just...

00:24:32.000 I think Jasmine's...

00:24:34.000 Yeah, Jasmine's...

00:24:35.000 Your mic's not selected.

00:24:37.000 If you go to the bottom middle of your screen, you can select your...

00:24:40.000 Okay, so I'm going to keep sleeping. Oh, sorry, my bad.

00:24:42.000 I was trying to put the camera on.

00:24:44.000 You're good. I kind of can't see myself.

00:24:46.000 You can see me, but I can't see you.

00:24:49.000 Yeah, so on mobile, if you guys are on your phones, you're not going to be able to see yourselves, but I promise you, we can see you.

00:24:53.000 If we can't, I'll say something.

00:24:55.000 If you guys can, the ones that are on mobile, tilt your phones horizontally, meaning hamburger style, if you guys can.

00:25:05.000 But you have to turn off the lock thing on your phone.

00:25:08.000 Yeah. And then if you could do that as well.

00:25:12.000 Cheyenne? Cheyenne, you got it right.

00:25:15.000 Sorry, I'm sorry. Oh, I have to unlock it.

00:25:25.000 Yeah, screen lock. Screen lock, yeah.

00:25:27.000 I'm so sorry. It's like a Zoom class. 1.00

00:25:33.000 Heaven, your mic is muted.

00:25:37.000 Can we get a mail to help with this, please?

00:25:41.000 Oh, Jesus. Guys, guys, he's just...

00:25:45.000 He's just...

00:25:46.000 I'm teasing you.

00:25:49.000 He's just Joshua. He's just Joshua.

00:25:51.000 Okay, in the middle. He's just breaking the ice.

00:25:54.000 All right, hold on. We can't hear you, Jazz.

00:25:57.000 Trico. Jazz, we cannot hear you.

00:26:01.000 Okay. We can see you.

00:26:04.000 Can't hear you. We can definitely see you.

00:26:08.000 And she's doing a strip show. 1.00

00:26:10.000 Well, then I'll go.

00:26:11.000 Yeah, go ahead, Cheyenne. My name is Cheyenne.

00:26:14.000 I am from Florida, born and raised.

00:26:18.000 And I am an actor.

00:26:21.000 And I wanted to join this debate to kind of see...

00:26:23.000 I don't really think you're a bad person.

00:26:26.000 I just don't agree on the stuff you say.

00:26:29.000 And I am a feminist, so I want to see if this can be a better outcome for both of us, so we both get a better understanding.

00:26:36.000 Because people just think feminists, and they think, oh, she hates men, and that's not true whatsoever. 1.00

00:26:42.000 What movies have you acted in before?

00:26:46.000 Just local in, like, Florida.

00:26:48.000 Oh, nice. Thank you.

00:26:51.000 Okay, cool. All right, are we ready to get started?

00:26:54.000 Heaven, is your mind... Wait, Heaven, you're good.

00:26:57.000 Jazz, are you fixed? I don't think so.

00:27:00.000 Yeah, you're fine. No, you're good. We hear you.

00:27:02.000 We hear you. All right, Jazzy.

00:27:05.000 Go ahead. You can give an introduction and also tell us why you're here today.

00:27:08.000 Okay. My name is Jasmine Jafar, otherwise known as the 304 Lawyer.

00:27:14.000 I was a lawyer and then I turned to an OnlyFans star.

00:27:18.000 And I'm here today because I think that it'll be easy to dismantle Nick's weak talking points.

00:27:26.000 Okay. How long have you been doing OnlyFans for?

00:27:30.000 Since 2021. Oh, wow.

00:27:32.000 Are you here for a debate or are you here for a promo?

00:27:36.000 A debate. All right, both.

00:27:38.000 At least you're being honest about it.

00:27:40.000 Yeah. All right.

00:27:41.000 Well, guys, we're going to get started here.

00:27:44.000 This is me talking, Aiden.

00:27:45.000 Nice to meet all of you. My buddy, Saniko, here has helped me do this thing.

00:27:48.000 I'm not really the best when it comes to hosting this stuff.

00:27:50.000 He's here today. We're going to start by asking you guys questions, right?

00:27:53.000 We're going to go in order. How I'm going to do it is the first topic, for example, we're going to do Kamala versus Trump.

00:27:59.000 We're going to start off with that.

00:28:01.000 I'm going to have you guys all stay who you guys, obviously, well, you guys obviously are a lot of you guys say Kamala.

00:28:07.000 Tell us why. And then we're going to give you guys about, would you say, 90 seconds?

00:28:11.000 Well, I think because we have everyone in the panel, it seems like everybody already knows what we believe on these subjects.

00:28:17.000 We can let Nick give an opening statement and then we'll just let everybody respond like, well, let's go in order.

00:28:24.000 Yeah, I think it can be free-flowing.

00:28:25.000 I think it'd be better to go free-flowing to start, and then after 10 minutes or so, then we can switch to more in order.

00:28:31.000 But because we're just starting, we're figuring everyone out, let's keep it free-flowing.

00:28:36.000 And then if it's too many interruptions, then we'll have to step in.

00:28:38.000 But let's do 10 minutes free-flowing, and then see how that goes in there, and then adjust with more time.

00:28:43.000 I think to be easier, just raise your hand if you want to speak, and kind of whoever raised their hand after Nick does his little statement, you guys can go off like that.

00:28:50.000 It's just much easier so you guys don't talk to each other.

00:28:52.000 Yeah, yeah. So Nick, go ahead and start it off.

00:28:54.000 Trump versus Kamala. Nick, I already know how you feel about that, but obviously, who would you prefer, Nick, between the two?

00:29:00.000 Go ahead. Sure.

00:29:01.000 Well, first, I just want to introduce myself.

00:29:04.000 For those that don't know, I'm Nick Fuentes.

00:29:06.000 And I agree.

00:29:07.000 I think it's going to be a good debate.

00:29:10.000 You know, I'll keep it civil.

00:29:11.000 And, you know, we don't hate anybody.

00:29:13.000 I'm glad. I forget who said it.

00:29:15.000 But yeah, I don't hate anybody.

00:29:16.000 And I think we do just have a difference of opinion.

00:29:20.000 It's fundamentally just a different worldview, people that are feminist and people that are traditional.

00:29:24.000 And I think their—well, the traditional viewpoint is slandered, but it's been around for thousands of years.

00:29:30.000 So it's obviously valid, I think, on that basis alone.

00:29:33.000 But with regard to Trump versus Kamala, I do have to put out a disclosure at the beginning.

00:29:40.000 I'm actually not going to vote for Trump, but I do think that Trump would be the better candidate.

00:29:47.000 And, you know, people say, well— How can that be?

00:29:49.000 I talk about it a lot on my show, but for the purpose of the debate, let's just say I'm defending Trump.

00:29:55.000 I do think he'd be the better president.

00:29:57.000 And the biggest thing I think that Trump represents, or what he represented at one time, was national sovereignty.

00:30:05.000 That's the biggest issue that we have going on, which is that the people of the country are not in charge of the country.

00:30:11.000 When you look at who's in charge of the country, it is donors, it is elite media, lobbyists, people like that.

00:30:18.000 And they've been pushing a series of policies.

00:30:20.000 I'm going to talk about three specifically that are destroying the country.

00:30:24.000 Mass immigration, legal and illegal. 0.97

00:30:27.000 Free trade, which is the movement of goods without tariffs or duties or anything like that.

00:30:32.000 And foreign wars, nation-building.

00:30:35.000 And regime change in foreign countries.

00:30:37.000 Those are the three pillars of what he called in 2016 globalism.

00:30:41.000 And these are all policies that enrich the elite of the country while they impoverish and injure the people of the country.

00:30:48.000 And so for that reason, I'm defending, broadly speaking, Trump and his movement insofar as he is defending national sovereignty and reversing and dismantling globalism.

00:30:59.000 Perfect. Let's start with top left. 0.98

00:31:02.000 Your name is Burnout.

00:31:03.000 Burnout will give you 30 seconds and then we'll go around 30 second intro for each one.

00:31:07.000 Kamala versus Trump and then we'll keep it free flowing.

00:31:08.000 Burnout. 30 seconds. Kamala versus Trump. 1.00

00:31:10.000 Who do you prefer? I'm not going to hold you guys.

00:31:13.000 I prefer neither. I'm not going to sit here and be like, I'm going to claim a claim.

00:31:21.000 I don't fuck with what Kamala's on. 0.99

00:31:23.000 Am I allowed to curse? Yes. 1.00

00:31:26.000 I don't know what Trump is on, but if I had to give an opinion...

00:31:33.000 Let's take a look at both of the presidencies.

00:31:36.000 What do we think we achieved?

00:31:38.000 Where do we think we achieved more?

00:31:39.000 Honestly, I'm going to keep it really real and say that Kamala really, I don't really see what she did other than getting silk presses. 0.64

00:31:47.000 I'm going to keep it a buck with you. I followed her career before she became vice president.

00:31:52.000 She was doing mass incarcerations for, you know, weed, which was really, like, typecast, like, You were just trying to reach that place.

00:32:02.000 So you did what you had to do.

00:32:04.000 So I just feel like when it comes to character, she's not trustworthy.

00:32:08.000 When it comes to character for Trump, definitely not trustworthy, but at least we know he's like who he is.

00:32:14.000 And that's where I stand. Pavan, you're next.

00:32:23.000 Go ahead. I personally am going to be voting for Kamala Harris.

00:32:31.000 I'm not a fan of Trump.

00:32:33.000 I don't feel like he's qualified to be president.

00:32:37.000 Kamala, however, she is qualified to be president. 0.99

00:32:41.000 I know she's been a part of some controversial topics and policies.

00:32:50.000 However, I feel like If we're basing the things that she's done, not basing, but if we're talking about things that she's done versus Trump, I would say she's the lesser evil in this conversation.

00:33:10.000 Alright, that's great. Let's go next.

00:33:13.000 Yeah, so they're both pro-Israel and obviously pro-Palestine, so neither are ideal, but I truly feel like There's no such thing as somebody that can be a good president, but obviously I choose Kamala.

00:33:27.000 Trump, I don't know, he made a statement talking about if he wins, we'll never have to vote again.

00:33:33.000 That just sounds kind of terrifying to me.

00:33:35.000 Is he just going to be North Korea here or something? 0.75

00:33:39.000 But yeah, and then also the stuff with Project 2025 seems kind of terrifying.

00:33:45.000 But yeah, I know we have to keep pushing, so that's what I have to say.

00:33:49.000 Okay, sweet. Thank you.

00:33:51.000 Isaac? Yeah, so I agree with what the previous people said.

00:33:58.000 I do think Kamala Harris does have a shady history, and I am pro-Palestine as well, and I do not support sending money and ammunition to Israel.

00:34:07.000 However, I'm not a single-issue voter, and we live in a two-party system, so we have to make do with the cards we're dealt.

00:34:14.000 And Since a third party candidate has no chance of winning, we have to make two binary choices and I'm going to go with Kamala Harris because she is the lesser of two evils and I also think Donald Trump is the most dangerous president in modern history.

00:34:27.000 That's just my personal opinion.

00:34:29.000 But yeah. Let's go to the next.

00:34:34.000 Jazz. Oh, exactly.

00:34:42.000 This is... Yeah, you're muted. 0.97

00:34:46.000 All right, should we just kick her? No, no, it's not kicker. 0.97

00:34:52.000 We'll just go back to her and let her fix it. 0.97

00:34:55.000 That's not nice. That was Sonek who said that, by the way, not Aiden Ross.

00:34:59.000 Go ahead, Cheyenne. I feel like that was a sneak thing.

00:35:04.000 Well, we're into the debate.

00:35:05.000 We should have the technology going. But Cheyenne, 30 seconds on Kamala versus Trump. 0.91

00:35:08.000 Who do you prefer? I prefer Kamala, but I will say this about Trump.

00:35:14.000 There's a lot of people who hate him, but there's also a lot of people who like him, who think just like him.

00:35:21.000 However, I do not agree with both parties when it comes to immigration.

00:35:25.000 I'm pro-Palestine, too, as well.

00:35:28.000 However, whoever was going to be the next president of this country, regardless of how we all feel, we're going to forever fund war. 0.65

00:35:37.000 We're going to forever fund all these things.

00:35:40.000 And the thing that really bothers me about Trump is, is not the fact that he can say whatever he wants.

00:35:47.000 It's the fact that he can get away with it.

00:35:50.000 And that's not something I approve of.

00:35:51.000 That's not something I would want anybody to look up and be like, oh yeah, that's my president right there.

00:35:56.000 I'll be ashamed.

00:35:59.000 Now for Kamala, I do not agree how her upcoming was.

00:36:02.000 It was very shady. But however, I give credit when credit is due.

00:36:06.000 And damn, that lady worked hard to get there. 1.00

00:36:09.000 Okay. Got it. 1.00

00:36:13.000 Now, a lot of you guys are kind of going off of...

00:36:16.000 I'll be real. You guys are being up front.

00:36:18.000 I'll be up front, too. A lot of you guys have some of the same views as Nick when it comes to this stuff.

00:36:24.000 But I want to ask you guys a question.

00:36:25.000 Is there anybody here that genuinely believes that Donald Trump is racist?

00:36:28.000 And if you do, please raise your hand.

00:36:33.000 Okay, so let's...

00:36:34.000 I'm Asian. All the comments he made during COVID, we all know.

00:36:37.000 I'm sure the test... Black jobs. 1.00

00:36:39.000 Okay, so Nick, is that a better topic? 1.00

00:36:43.000 My ass is American? Let's discuss this. 1.00

00:36:45.000 Yeah, let's go free-for-long from this. Sure, yeah, that's fair, I guess.

00:36:49.000 Okay. Yeah, I mean, let's talk about Trump being racist.

00:36:54.000 If anything, I don't think he's racist enough.

00:36:56.000 That's my opinion.

00:36:57.000 But I have a different definition of racism than you guys.

00:37:01.000 Let's just be honest.

00:37:03.000 Trump is in favor of mass immigration.

00:37:06.000 Trump changed his policy in June and said that he wants to staple green cards to the diplomas of every foreign student that comes to America, whether it's a two year, four year, graduate degree, doesn't matter.

00:37:18.000 All those green cards are coming from non white countries are coming from Pakistan. They're coming from India. They're coming from China. 0.94

00:37:24.000 If you are truly a racist and you and the thing that you know, people that are race conscious or white identitarian, what they deeply care about is the racial makeup of the country.

00:37:34.000 You know, the most stark thing that is going on in the history of the United States right now is that the country was 90 percent white and within 10 years, it's going to be 50 percent white. 0.93

00:37:45.000 That is a massive change with significant effects. Whether you think it's good, bad, neutral.

00:37:51.000 It's a huge change and it's happening all over the world.

00:37:54.000 And where does Trump stand on that issue?

00:37:57.000 He is supporting the demographic transition, supporting a less white America. So, you know, in that sense, I would also say, I mean, look at the people he surrounds himself with. 0.66

00:38:07.000 Tim Scott from South Carolina, among others. If you looked at the RNC the first day, it was like all black men. 1.00

00:38:15.000 It was actually notable.

00:38:17.000 Almost everybody that went up and spoke on the stage, which he specifically created the agenda, it's all black men.

00:38:25.000 They gave a tribute at the very end to the Sikh God Waheguru, which I protested as a traditional Catholic.

00:38:32.000 So, I mean, you could give like a ton of reasons, but I think he totally lacks prejudice.

00:38:38.000 I'll give one other anecdote.

00:38:40.000 I went to Mar-a-Lago with Kanye West a couple years ago, and Trump was nothing but nice, still has not disavowed him to this day.

00:38:50.000 If anything, stood by him even though he was canceled and said he's a good guy but misunderstood, but he has a good heart, which is how I see him.

00:38:58.000 So I think that there's not a racist bone in his body.

00:39:01.000 Although sometimes I wish he was even a little bit more race conscious than he is.

00:39:04.000 So that's what I would say. That sounds great.

00:39:07.000 We'll let everyone disagree.

00:39:08.000 You can raise your hand. But first, Jazz, if you could, let's see your mic one more time.

00:39:11.000 You still haven't spoke. Does it work?

00:39:13.000 Yes, it works now. Thank you.

00:39:15.000 So Burnout, why do you think that Nick is wrong?

00:39:17.000 Guys, raise your hand and Burnout, raise your hand first.

00:39:20.000 I would like to ask him a question, like, what is your definition of racism?

00:39:24.000 I mean, that's the important definition.

00:39:27.000 You know, me, I see myself as a racialist.

00:39:30.000 I think that race is real.

00:39:32.000 I think that we have to grapple with it.

00:39:34.000 You know, people are tribal.

00:39:36.000 So I guess the working definition would be, you know, race-based hatred.

00:39:41.000 Does he hate people or have prejudice for people based on their race would be my definition.

00:39:46.000 Hear me now. The next question is...

00:39:49.000 Do you think your definition of racism applies universally to everyone, especially the people who are at the hand of racism?

00:40:00.000 Like the oppressed or the oppressors?

00:40:03.000 And do you think racism is an oppressive institution?

00:40:07.000 Or do you just think, oh, racism is hating on people?

00:40:12.000 Well, the definition is totally subjective.

00:40:14.000 I think it's a very ambiguous word.

00:40:16.000 I mean, what does racism mean?

00:40:18.000 Does it mean you believe that race is a determinative factor?

00:40:21.000 Or do you think that, you know, like left-wing people do, I imagine you do, based on what you're saying, that race is, you know, one of these categories that's used to oppress people.

00:40:31.000 It's totally subjective.

00:40:32.000 And that's why we have to meet on the definitions.

00:40:35.000 But no, I don't believe...

00:40:38.000 I mean, what exactly is the question?

00:40:39.000 People disagree about what racism means, absolutely.

00:40:43.000 Okay, universally, I would say racism.

00:40:48.000 Is the institutionalized practice of putting a marginalized people down and keeping them down.

00:40:58.000 Whether it's thoughts, whether it's speech, whether it's being rejected from a job because of how you look, your skin color.

00:41:08.000 So anything that has to do with your skin color and you being rejected or dejected or Objectified or subjectified is the definition of racism to me.

00:41:19.000 And I think that from multiple studies and just living real life, a lot of people will agree with that.

00:41:26.000 So it's just it's not as light as you're trying to make it seem.

00:41:30.000 It's not that at all.

00:41:32.000 And I would consider Donald Trump to sit under the umbrella of being racist.

00:41:38.000 Just because of how he moves his policies, how he deals with people of the opposite race or anybody that is not similar to him.

00:41:47.000 Like who? Can you give an example?

00:41:52.000 Anyone. Look how he talks about Kamala.

00:41:54.000 Look how he talks about the African-American community.

00:42:01.000 It's not from a place of understanding or relation.

00:42:06.000 It's an outside observation from generalized views that are just stereotypical, really, because have you seen him really be in close contact with anyone who is actually someone who is a clear representation of being an African-American person or a person of another race, where he can sit down and they'll be like, Cool and not have any type of controversy.

00:42:32.000 Yeah, yeah. Ben Carson was in his cabinet.

00:42:35.000 Tim Scott was being considered for VP. Listen to me.

00:42:39.000 Well, he had one other thing.

00:42:42.000 Real quick, real quick, Nick, sorry.

00:42:44.000 Isaac, you were raising your hand for a while.

00:42:46.000 I want to get to you, Isaac.

00:42:47.000 What do you have to say to that?

00:42:48.000 And tell me why you think Trump is a racist.

00:42:51.000 Yeah, so I think Nick is really good at verbalizing his points to make it seem like he really knows what he's talking about.

00:42:58.000 But racism, the word is not subjective.

00:43:01.000 It's the inherent superiority complex to another race. 0.99

00:43:06.000 There's this clear cut and dry. 0.97

00:43:08.000 And I do believe Trump is a racist because he had a civil case, you know, back in the day because he refused to rent to Black people in his properties. 0.97

00:43:17.000 You know, he called for the execution of the Central Park Five. 0.98

00:43:22.000 He had the birther conspiracy.

00:43:24.000 These are things that have been around for years, well-documented cases of racism.

00:43:28.000 So I think the reason you're saying he's not racist is because you have a clear misunderstanding of what racism is, but your opinion is not shared by most of the world, especially people who face racism.

00:43:42.000 A lot of conservatives like to talk about white racism.

00:43:46.000 So wouldn't you agree that white people are discriminated against because they're white?

00:43:49.000 Or is that not happening?

00:43:51.000 Yeah, absolutely. Okay, you believe in racism then?

00:43:55.000 I think that, well, again, what is the definition?

00:43:59.000 If the definition of racism, as Burnout said, is the systematic oppression of a person based on race, then you would disagree.

00:44:11.000 You would disagree that white people are discriminated against, right?

00:44:14.000 If white people are oppressors?

00:44:15.000 There's individual racism. 0.73

00:44:18.000 That's like a thought. You see somebody outside.

00:44:20.000 So what is the definition then?

00:44:22.000 You're making the case that it's very clear cut and there's no ambiguity, but clearly there's disagreement on this panel between you and burnout even.

00:44:32.000 Prejudice would be the word you're looking for, not racism.

00:44:36.000 Yeah, prejudice, discrimination.

00:44:39.000 But when it comes to, like, racism is race-based discrimination and prejudice.

00:44:43.000 There's individual racism.

00:44:44.000 That's where somebody sees another person of another race and they, you know, subconsciously do not like them.

00:44:50.000 And there's institutional or systemic racism where there are foundations in place to keep people of color down.

00:44:57.000 I think you're looking at it from a very narrow-minded lens, but I could experience, like, I could show individual racism towards you, a white person.

00:45:05.000 However, I can't show any institutional racism towards you because I'm not in that position of power to do that to you.

00:45:12.000 You understand? Well, that's the, you know, like I said, I think you're more arguing whether there's an objective definition.

00:45:34.000 Let's just agree on what we're talking about.

00:45:37.000 You know, so your argument is Trump is discriminating on people on the basis of race, as in the case of Central Park Five and the birther conspiracy.

00:45:47.000 Is that right? Yeah. That would be correct, yes.

00:45:50.000 Okay, so, well, I mean, my pushback would be, you know, having met the man, and again, just seeing him with black people, would somebody that has racial hatred or discriminates or prejudice against black people appoint black people in his cabinet, pass the First Step Act, commute the sentences of many black felons who had a peaceful drug charge?

00:46:12.000 Hang on, one more thing.

00:46:14.000 Anne secured the release of LeVar Ball, Kodak Black.

00:46:17.000 I think there was one other rapper in Norway or Sweden who was released from prison.

00:46:23.000 I mean, so I think when you put all that together, I don't think someone who is like a white supremacist would be interested in any of that.

00:46:32.000 Sorry, can I go?

00:46:34.000 None of that was helpful to the black community in any way.

00:46:39.000 None of those people... Are helpful to the Black community in any type of way or fashion. 1.00

00:46:45.000 He did that as a strategy.

00:46:48.000 Of course, he's going to move strategically.

00:46:51.000 The people who are those, or fans, or who pay attention to the people you named, don't really think for themselves.

00:47:00.000 They're very much sheep. 0.81

00:47:03.000 And he's gonna do anything for the Black vote. 1.00

00:47:07.000 We've seen that time and time again.

00:47:09.000 We've seen that from, not even talking about Trump, from anybody.

00:47:14.000 Christine, you raised your hand, you had something?

00:47:16.000 Yes. I just wanted to say, I don't, I just don't, I think there are levels to racism, okay?

00:47:22.000 I know many of people, I know many of people, well, I'm white, but I have black friends, so I'm not racist.

00:47:28.000 Okay. But, so, him, like, you know, calling the China virus and, like, things like that.

00:47:34.000 So what is that? Is it, like, calling people, so is it just, like, comedy?

00:47:36.000 It's just funny? It's not racist?

00:47:39.000 Wasn't it just descriptive?

00:47:40.000 I mean, the virus did come from China.

00:47:44.000 You're not wrong. I agree he's not a KKK member.

00:47:52.000 He's not like a white supremacist.

00:47:55.000 But yeah, like obviously something that he says, some people are going to conceive as problematic and racist. 0.84

00:48:00.000 But yes, he can have black friends, but he can still be racist.

00:48:03.000 I would just argue is... 0.77

00:48:05.000 I'm more conservative than him on race.

00:48:26.000 He had a good relationship with the country of China.

00:48:28.000 He respected their leaders.

00:48:30.000 I mean, he said that when I was with him at the dinner, he said, we had a great relationship, but we respected each other and so on.

00:48:35.000 They had Mitch McConnell's wife, who is Chinese.

00:48:39.000 She was the secretary of transportation, I believe, was in the cabinet.

00:48:42.000 So it was a diverse cabinet.

00:48:43.000 It was a diverse White House.

00:48:45.000 And you can argue, well, he's cynically doing these things to win the non-white vote. 0.56

00:48:52.000 Well, if you argue that everything he does is in bad faith, you're sort of arguing that you know what's in his heart.

00:48:58.000 All we can go by is the outward expression.

00:49:00.000 What does he do? What does he say?

00:49:02.000 Based on what he says and does, does not appear to be a racialist, does not appear to be a racist.

00:49:07.000 But don't you think... A president has a duty to be president for all Americans, so of course he's going to be diplomatic when it comes to race, but I don't think that's a reflection of how he feels inside.

00:49:16.000 The same way you're saying we can't go off of, you know, because we don't know how he's feeling inside.

00:49:20.000 You don't know how he's feeling inside either.

00:49:22.000 So I do go by actions, and he has many racist actions in the past, but just because he wasn't, you know, he was...

00:49:29.000 Trying to get to the people of color's votes during his presidency.

00:49:33.000 That's what a president is supposed to do.

00:49:35.000 They're conditioned to reach out to as many people as possible.

00:49:38.000 That doesn't mean he's not racist just because he's doing something that politicians are really good at doing.

00:49:43.000 Reaching out to people. That's my two cents.

00:49:47.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:49:49.000 The thing is, when it comes to deeds and actions, that's the indicator.

00:49:53.000 That's what we can look at. And, you know, it's like you said, the ones that appear racist, you say, well, that's indicative he's racist.

00:49:59.000 The ones that appear that he's not racist, they say, well, that's just dishonest.

00:50:03.000 It's a lie. So it's kind of like you're picking and choosing the things that are guilty.

00:50:08.000 Well, that's definitive.

00:50:09.000 The things that prove he's not guilty, well, there's no credibility.

00:50:12.000 We can't trust that.

00:50:13.000 And I would just say, you know, with regard to Trump altogether, I also don't even think it really matters that much.

00:50:22.000 I mean, because if we're saying for the sake of argument, let's say he is just putting on this big display and big show, you say, well, that's his job to be diplomatic.

00:50:30.000 Well, then was he not diplomatic?

00:50:32.000 I mean, was he not?

00:50:33.000 I mean, for example, something like with the birther conspiracy, I don't think there's anything necessarily racist about that.

00:50:40.000 They didn't say that Obama wasn't born here because he was black.

00:50:43.000 They said he wasn't born here because he didn't live in America for his childhood.

00:50:48.000 And I think there are a lot of legitimate questions about where this guy even came from.

00:50:52.000 He lived in Indonesia.

00:50:53.000 His father was from Kenya.

00:50:54.000 I mean, there's questions about Ted Cruz.

00:50:56.000 He raised the same issue about Ted Cruz because he was born in Canada and wasn't born on the Ted Cruz, I mean, he's Cuban, but by all appearances, he's white.

00:51:05.000 Does that make Trump a racist against Cubans?

00:51:08.000 I think it's a legitimate question.

00:51:10.000 With regard to the Central Part 5, they're guilty.

00:51:13.000 You know, let's just be honest.

00:51:14.000 They got off, but they were guilty.

00:51:18.000 That's misinformation. That is misinformation.

00:51:23.000 You look into the case, it's just true.

00:51:26.000 The one getting released because all of it was live?

00:51:31.000 Yeah, they got let off, but they were all guilty.

00:51:34.000 Okay, what happens do you have to back up that claim?

00:51:37.000 I don't want to do a debate about the Central Park 5.

00:51:41.000 So you trusted the judicial system?

00:51:43.000 I feel like you're regurgitating things that you haven't really looked into.

00:51:48.000 If you look into it, you'll find they were guilty.

00:51:51.000 Okay, can you please just elaborate?

00:51:53.000 No, please elaborate. I would like to...

00:51:56.000 I'm really not interested in debating the Central Part 5.

00:52:02.000 If you want to say that's racism, I'll concede that, and we could say that's racist.

00:52:06.000 You can lie, and it's okay, but you've got to be accountable.

00:52:09.000 Okay, let's move on to the next subject.

00:52:11.000 I think that we covered...

00:52:13.000 Hold on, you can hear it correct?

00:52:14.000 I think that we covered racism.

00:52:16.000 Let's move back on to feminism, okay? 1.00

00:52:18.000 I think we covered if Trump is racist or not.

00:52:20.000 Let's start with Nick. I'll give you one minute.

00:52:23.000 If you can answer, should women vote? 0.99

00:52:26.000 No, absolutely not.

00:52:28.000 Women should not vote. We should repeal the 19th Amendment. 1.00

00:52:31.000 We should take it away.

00:52:32.000 They vote for the wrong candidate every single time.

00:52:35.000 Every single time the women vote Democrat. 1.00

00:52:37.000 They vote for the wrong person.

00:52:39.000 They vote for more spending.

00:52:42.000 Well, but above all else, I think that women, we have to look at voting as a position of governance. 1.00

00:52:48.000 If you're casting a vote, you're determining who should be in the government.

00:52:51.000 In the government. And I don't think that women should be in the business of government at all. 1.00

00:52:58.000 And I think, honestly, very few people should vote altogether.

00:53:01.000 I think that it's not just exclusive to women.

00:53:04.000 I think that people that have only been in the country for a generation or two shouldn't vote. 1.00

00:53:08.000 I think people that are indigent shouldn't vote. 1.00

00:53:10.000 I think that young people shouldn't vote. 1.00

00:53:12.000 I think probably people that don't own anything shouldn't vote. 1.00

00:53:14.000 And I think we should get back to a system where a vote is cast really as a representation.

00:53:20.000 I think the vote should be cast by the head of a household.

00:53:24.000 I think that if a woman gets married, her political expression is represented in the vote of her husband, in the vote of the head of the household.

00:53:32.000 I don't think that it's women's position to be in leadership over men, over society. 0.99

00:53:38.000 And I think that it's completely outside their domain.

00:53:42.000 So I don't think they should vote at all.

00:53:43.000 And I think the evidence is clear.

00:53:44.000 I mean, ever since they got the right to vote, it's been all downhill.

00:53:47.000 Burnout, you want to respond?

00:53:50.000 No, I'm kidding.

00:53:52.000 I will, actually.

00:53:54.000 I just want to ask a question to lead you to a point.

00:53:58.000 Being in the state of where we are in this country, knowing that nothing but men have president this country, you think that women shouldn't have a chance to run it? 0.89

00:54:14.000 You think you're doing an amazing job?

00:54:16.000 Yep. Are you here for the progressiveness of the country or are you here to stick to the cookie cutter, you know, average white male leading the world type of vibe?

00:54:31.000 Totally average white male leading the world.

00:54:33.000 Well, I think we should have exceptional white males leading the world. 0.97

00:54:35.000 I think the world was a great place when we had more of that.

00:54:38.000 The more we get away from that, the worse things seem to get.

00:54:42.000 I think white men should be back in charge, but that's another debate. 0.70

00:54:45.000 I think women should definitely not be in charge. 1.00

00:54:48.000 I feel like... I'm not trying to generalize, but I feel like that demographic causes more harm to the country than they ever did good.

00:54:56.000 And that's on a daily basis.

00:54:58.000 That's from something as minuscule as a school shooting.

00:55:03.000 Yeah, but we invented everything.

00:55:06.000 You said women vote for the wrong candidate. 1.00

00:55:12.000 So why are you the arbiter of what's considered a wrong candidate?

00:55:15.000 You do know that the same wrong candidates that you're talking about, men vote for them as well.

00:55:21.000 Yeah, I know. And all these things, I know you said like some mentioned vote too, but if you believe in a democratic system where every person to vote should count, I assume so.

00:55:31.000 I don't. Why not?

00:55:35.000 Because, I mean, let's take, for example, in this society right now, a person turns 18 years old.

00:55:42.000 They don't own anything.

00:55:43.000 They've never had a real job.

00:55:45.000 They just graduate high school.

00:55:47.000 This is a person that's voting for the President of the United States.

00:55:50.000 What do they know about anything? What do they know about trade, the economy, foreign affairs?

00:55:53.000 What do they know about one thing in the whole world?

00:55:55.000 A person that owns a building knows more about the world than literally any 18-year-old alive today.

00:56:01.000 Somebody that knows where water and electricity come from.

00:56:05.000 Somebody that pays bills.

00:56:06.000 Somebody that owns a company.

00:56:07.000 These are people that know how the country actually works.

00:56:10.000 The problem is people look at a vote as a privilege and they've divorced it from why we have the privilege.

00:56:16.000 And we have the privilege because the privilege is conferred upon us by citizenship.

00:56:20.000 Citizenship, self-government, means you take responsibility for the country. 0.89

00:56:26.000 It's not just about you're a total bum or you're lazy or you know nothing and then you get to cast a vote.

00:56:32.000 If you're not really upholding the responsibilities of a free man and a citizen, if you're not enterprising, if you're not a good Republican—by Republican, I don't mean— A member of the GOP, I mean a member of the republic, which is, you know, what this country is, I don't think you should be able to vote. 0.62

00:56:47.000 And I think there's a lot of people that, you know, whether they contribute nothing or they know nothing, some of them aren't even literate, some of them know nothing about what's going on, the idea their vote cancels out a business owner, their vote cancels out a lawyer, it's totally insane.

00:57:02.000 I have one point before I move it on to my other people, but I understand what you're saying.

00:57:09.000 There are a lot of misinformed people when they go to cast their ballot, but I don't think that we should put in a system in place where they don't get to make their voices heard because the president rules the country.

00:57:20.000 That means every single thing they do will affect every single person in this country.

00:57:24.000 So they should have a right to dictate that.

00:57:27.000 How their lives are going to be governed, whether they're informed or not, taking away, like, disenfranchising people because we think they're misinformed.

00:57:35.000 It sets a dangerous precedent.

00:57:37.000 Okay, Christine and then Cheyenne, sorry, Christine and Cheyenne, why should women vote? 1.00

00:57:42.000 I'm just asking questions.

00:57:44.000 So we're saying... No, no, no, stop with the questions.

00:57:46.000 Answer this question first.

00:57:48.000 Why should women vote? Okay, so if women, should they also not work? 1.00

00:57:54.000 Or is it two separate things?

00:57:56.000 Let's say on subject, why should women vote? 1.00

00:58:00.000 I think everyone has the right to vote.

00:58:02.000 I'm sorry. That's all I can say.

00:58:05.000 Okay, Cheyenne, why should women vote? 1.00

00:58:09.000 Cheyenne. Okay, I can go now, please.

00:58:12.000 No interruptions. Okay.

00:58:15.000 I think women should vote is because, first of all, we're a human being before we're anything. 1.00

00:58:19.000 And I just think that's a little bit disrespectful to say, well, she can't vote. 0.99

00:58:24.000 Women should vote not because they're a human being and they have rights just like anybody else do. 1.00

00:58:28.000 But why would you give rights to the person who birthed you?

00:58:33.000 Doesn't make any sense to me.

00:58:35.000 The reason why we're all here today is because of a woman. 1.00

00:58:38.000 You telling her she can't vote?

00:58:41.000 What's wrong with you? Ha ha ha!

00:58:44.000 It's not even really an argument.

00:58:45.000 I mean, well, let's start with one.

00:58:48.000 Let's start with one really good argument.

00:58:52.000 The whole basis of a country, really the basis of the country is that it's able to defend its borders.

00:58:57.000 That's kind of what a country is.

00:58:59.000 A country is a group of people that say this land is our land and we get to determine what happens within these borders.

00:59:06.000 Now unfortunately, there is no entity higher than the level of government that enforces When Russia invades Ukraine, there's nobody that says, you're not allowed to do that.

00:59:17.000 If Ukraine can't defend its borders, they lose their land.

00:59:21.000 Those territories are no longer a part of it.

00:59:23.000 So what makes a country a country is the willingness and the ability to defend the borders and the territorial integrity.

00:59:32.000 If America is attacked from outside or inside, who goes to fight?

00:59:36.000 Who goes to fight the war to secure the realm and defend our way of life and our right to govern ourselves?

00:59:43.000 It's the men. It's the men that go on the front lines.

00:59:46.000 It's the men that take up arms.

00:59:48.000 It's the men that are expected to do these things.

00:59:50.000 And by the way, the same is true in a community.

00:59:52.000 If somebody breaks into your home at 2 a.m. 1.00

00:59:55.000 with a gun and a baseball bat or whatever and they say, Hey, bitch, we're going to kill you. 1.00

01:00:00.000 We're going to take all your stuff. 1.00

01:00:02.000 Who do you call? Cops.

01:00:03.000 What do you want the cops to be?

01:00:05.000 You want some 5'4 little girl to jump through the window and save you? 1.00

01:00:09.000 Or do you want a big, tall guy to come in and fix and save the day?

01:00:14.000 Same thing goes for firefighters. 0.67

01:00:16.000 Same thing goes for public works.

01:00:18.000 So for that reason alone...

01:00:20.000 If that's the logic you're using, wouldn't you say men should just be strong and let women make mental decisions? 0.89

01:00:27.000 If that's your strength, if you're equating men to physical brute strength, shouldn't women be considered the brain of it all? 0.99

01:00:37.000 Why would we consider them that?

01:00:38.000 There are no female geniuses. 1.00

01:00:41.000 But you're just talking about men being irrational, being violent, like men have to protect women from other fellow men?

01:00:47.000 Katherine Johnson, who worked at NASA, that's not a female genius? 1.00

01:00:50.000 That's fake. I'm talking about real geniuses, like Isaac Newton, like Galileo.

01:00:57.000 I'm talking about real geniuses, not like hidden figures.

01:01:00.000 ...being geniuses because they are white males, when I guarantee you all of their work could possibly be just copied off of someone else who found it first.

01:01:10.000 Exactly. You identify with them.

01:01:16.000 You can find someone in a different country that knows way more than any of them.

01:01:22.000 You're not considering people outside of yourself could be worth more or more knowledgeable than you because you have this narrow-minded view on who you deem is the Top of the totem pole.

01:01:38.000 But I don't blame you for that. That's probably how your life was set up.

01:01:42.000 That's probably why you don't have any other views than that.

01:01:45.000 And why you can't consider that other people feel differently.

01:01:50.000 I don't consider that other people feel differently.

01:01:53.000 It's giving shelter. It's giving...

01:01:55.000 Just because I've been here, this is the way it is.

01:01:59.000 And I'm seeing different.

01:02:01.000 I don't like it. So I'm going to put a stop to it.

01:02:04.000 It's giving red-pilled.

01:02:05.000 It's giving based. You talk about Albert Einstein and Isaac Newton, but the thing is...

01:02:10.000 I don't say Albert Einstein.

01:02:12.000 Okay, but the thing is that the geniuses you're bringing up, the reason why you know about them is because they were in a position where they were able to make their voices heard.

01:02:20.000 A lot of people of color aren't able to do that.

01:02:22.000 So a lot of these geniuses that you're talking about, there probably was a person of color behind the entire operation.

01:02:27.000 But you wouldn't know that. Because a lot of people of color aren't in positions to take credit for a lot of things.

01:02:33.000 Who is the person of color behind Isaac Newton?

01:02:36.000 We can see how that dynamic plays out.

01:02:39.000 Would you not agree?

01:02:43.000 No, I totally...

01:02:44.000 The idea that, you know, there's sort of like this...

01:02:48.000 Black people of the gaps argument, where it's like, if we can find no female geniuses throughout recorded history, if we can find no people of color geniuses throughout recorded history, there's this assumption, well, the white people, they just stole it from some black person somewhere, and we could just safely assume that. 0.93

01:03:05.000 No, I actually disagree with that.

01:03:07.000 I think that we know about Isaac Newton because he revolutionized math and science.

01:03:11.000 We know about Galileo because he revolutionized our understanding of space and the cosmos and the world.

01:03:17.000 We know about them because they did these extraordinary things.

01:03:20.000 When you look at female inventors, because I prepared for this debate, if you Google female inventors and you look at any website, top 10 female inventors, in the top 10 is like ice cream maker, miracle mop, coffee filter. 0.77

01:03:35.000 You look at the things that men invented, it's like cars, human flight, nuclear bomb, rocket ships.

01:03:41.000 You know, it's like real things.

01:03:43.000 And so to get back to the, yeah, go ahead.

01:03:47.000 What? I want to talk, but I don't want to talk.

01:03:53.000 Okay, we'll go in order because it's getting more interruptions.

01:03:55.000 Start with Jazz, and then we'll go to Burnout, and then back to Isaac.

01:03:57.000 Go ahead, Jazz. Okay, from your opening statement, first you said that you just don't like that women vote because they don't vote for the candidate you want. 0.86

01:04:05.000 But the other thing you said was that women lack leadership qualities. 1.00

01:04:08.000 So I'm wondering what these qualities are that all women don't have. 1.00

01:04:12.000 And that, like, is a reason to categorically exclude them.

01:04:15.000 Because even if we go based off of we should have informed voters, we should have voters that are Paying into taxes or whatever you were saying, there's a lot of women who would meet that threshold and a lot of men that wouldn't.

01:04:25.000 So what is your argument for categorically excluding one group based on their gender when many of them would meet the requirements that you had proposed?

01:04:37.000 Risk-taking, decisiveness, assertiveness, disagreeableness.

01:04:41.000 But all women don't have this. 1.00

01:04:42.000 All women don't have this and all men do. 1.00

01:04:44.000 Do you not know how averages work?

01:04:46.000 When the one group is better at one thing on average, that does not mean, especially when it's a small effect size, for instance, like agreeableness, that's like a 0.3.

01:04:55.000 So while you can make the statement that on average women are more agreeable than men, it's by such a small amount that when it comes to individuals, like let's say me and you, it would literally be like, A coin toss on me being more agreeable than you.

01:05:09.000 That's how that works. That's just statistics.

01:05:12.000 So I think that's a really dim-witted way to view the world just because you're looking at group averages and then making individual judgments based on group averages.

01:05:21.000 But they're categorically different.

01:05:22.000 Men and women are two different categories.

01:05:24.000 They have different hormones.

01:05:26.000 They're wired differently. They're wired for different roles.

01:05:29.000 Do you think there's no overlap?

01:05:32.000 Do you think it's just 100% men are this way and 100% women are this way and there's no overlap?

01:05:37.000 It's almost, yeah, it's nearly 100%.

01:05:39.000 I do believe that.

01:05:40.000 It's not. That's just scientifically not accurate.

01:05:42.000 I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why I think that.

01:05:45.000 You look at, like, right now, for instance...

01:05:48.000 We arguably live in the most liberal, progressive, feminist society of all time.

01:05:55.000 Western Europe and North America, probably the most liberal, feminist, progressive since the beginning of recorded history.

01:06:03.000 We don't have any female billionaires, like very, very few.

01:06:07.000 You look at the top 10 female billionaires, they all got their money from inheritance. 1.00

01:06:11.000 Okay, well, if you want a society that is a meritocracy, though, like, let's say, like, I think it's 15% of Nobel Prize winners are female. 0.63

01:06:19.000 Would you rather have a society where it's zero?

01:06:22.000 Like, wouldn't my society that's the best of both genders, even if less women do? 1.00

01:06:27.000 Do X thing than men.

01:06:29.000 Wouldn't we want the best of the best?

01:06:30.000 And for those women that can meet that standard, you don't want them to be included just because they're women? 0.95

01:06:35.000 It doesn't seem like how you would operate in a real meritocracy, where we're trying to get the best of the best for any field that we're going for.

01:06:43.000 I mean, that's really a separate argument.

01:06:46.000 The argument I'm making is that when you look at society, if your argument were true, that on average men and women are equally as likely to be agreeable or not agreeable, risk takers or not risk takers, etc., then you would probably see a more substantial proportion of the super competitive people would be women.

01:07:07.000 But that's not true. Yeah, half of the profession, lawyers, half of are women.

01:07:13.000 I think half the medical professions are women. 1.00

01:07:15.000 Women-owned businesses are less likely to go bankrupt. 0.99

01:07:18.000 So there are certain fields where women are either surpassing or operating equal to men.

01:07:23.000 And again, if you want a meritocracy, you want people who can survive in this economy and have a booming business, whether that's a man or a woman. 0.98

01:07:30.000 Why would you categorically exclude an entire group of people based on a very, very small difference in group averages?

01:07:37.000 Well, it's not group averages.

01:07:40.000 We're talking about a difference in wired temperament, too.

01:07:43.000 It's not about excluding them from all of society.

01:07:46.000 I think that women should be able to work. 1.00

01:07:48.000 The question is, should they be able to rule?

01:07:50.000 Should they be able to govern?

01:07:52.000 And I think ruling and governing is a very particular kind of science that women are just not suited for categorically. 1.00

01:07:59.000 The same way that women are not suited for being – I think everyone would agree, unless you're ridiculous. 1.00

01:08:04.000 Women are not suited to be soldiers. 1.00

01:08:07.000 Women are not suited to be police officers. 1.00

01:08:09.000 I think for all the same reasons, women are not suited to govern and rule because those do require very particular combinations of traits that, although I don't think they've never been expressed in women, I think it is completely rare.

01:08:23.000 And when we're talking about a country of 350 million people, we're talking about women voting, more women vote than men.

01:08:30.000 So, you know, arguably maybe you could get a once-in-a-generation female leader. 1.00

01:08:35.000 I'll reserve the possibility, you know, that that can happen.

01:08:39.000 But we're talking about women as a rule in a system participating in governance, and I think that's totally wrong. 0.81

01:08:45.000 Just like, you know, if you watch Game of Thrones, there's like that big chick is the knight. 1.00

01:08:50.000 Yeah, there might be like a giant woman who could be a cop. 1.00

01:08:53.000 But I don't know that we would say, oh, the cops should be half women and half men.

01:08:57.000 Just like I think the voters shouldn't be half women and half men.

01:08:59.000 This is why it's important to look at those categories and see how big that effect size is and the difference.

01:09:04.000 So with things like physical strength, men are overwhelmingly physically stronger than women.

01:09:09.000 When it comes to things like agreeableness, that difference is much smaller and there's a ton of overlap between men and women.

01:09:15.000 So for your brain to be so narrow-minded to say, oh, I'm going to look at every categorical difference.

01:09:21.000 If men are stronger than women on average, and men are less agreeable than women on average, I'm just going to pretend that this is 100%, and there's no nuance, and there's no overlap, and there's no difference between the amount that a man is stronger than a woman versus how agreeable one is, or how smart one is, or how educated one is, especially when women actually are surpassing men in a lot of these fields, especially education.

01:09:42.000 That's just not a reasonable way to look at life or the data.

01:09:46.000 the science. Okay, we're circling.

01:09:47.000 So I want to hear from Heaven and then Christine because you haven't been speaking much.

01:09:50.000 Heaven, do you have anything? Speak louder.

01:10:01.000 Your mic isn't working.

01:10:03.000 Let's hear from Christine while you fix your mic, Heaven. 1.00

01:10:06.000 Okay. I don't have much to add to that.

01:10:11.000 I'm sorry. I want to ask you specifically because you didn't get to give an argument earlier.

01:10:18.000 Why should women vote? We're going to stay on subject. 1.00

01:10:22.000 The subject is why women should vote.

01:10:24.000 What's your argument for why women should vote? 0.98

01:10:27.000 She already said it. I think everyone has the right to vote. 0.99

01:10:30.000 I'm sorry. I don't have to justify it other than that.

01:10:37.000 Okay, Cheyenne, do you have anything?

01:10:42.000 Can you guys hear me?

01:10:43.000 Yes. Yes, you can hear me.

01:10:46.000 Okay, I guess I'll go.

01:10:48.000 Yeah, so I feel like women should be able to vote because I feel like anybody in this country who is a citizen, who is a part of the way that America operates and flows, Should have a say so on how policies affect them. 0.94

01:11:02.000 I feel like it's not fair to give the power to one specific gender based off of things that you've pretty much just pulled out of the air because you don't have facts for any of the things that you claim tonight.

01:11:15.000 I just think that isn't fair.

01:11:17.000 I don't think that's logical.

01:11:19.000 And I think even the way you're debating tonight is showing that men should not rule or control anything just because you don't even have the facts to back up stuff you're saying.

01:11:31.000 Okay, I mean, can I respond to that?

01:11:35.000 Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, so, you know, I think you made a good point.

01:11:39.000 You said everyone who is a citizen should vote, and I agree, but, you know, it's really a bigger question about, like, why do we vote?

01:11:47.000 I feel like people take it for granted that...

01:11:50.000 Well, everyone's here. Everyone has a right to vote.

01:11:52.000 Well, why? You know, when the country was founded, there was the spirit of citizenship.

01:11:57.000 There's a spirit of self-governing.

01:11:58.000 There's an enterprising spirit.

01:12:00.000 And it doesn't just mean, you know, you're kind of just like a regular Joe.

01:12:03.000 You really worry about yourself.

01:12:05.000 You don't really know anything.

01:12:07.000 And then you get a right to determine who runs the country.

01:12:10.000 When the country was founded, there was only one body in the whole federal government that the whole country directly voted on.

01:12:17.000 Does anyone know what that is?

01:12:21.000 Okay, case in point, it was the House of Representatives.

01:12:23.000 The Senate, senators were appointed by the state legislatures.

01:12:26.000 The president was chosen by the Electoral College, which was chosen by the state legislatures.

01:12:31.000 Supreme Court was nominated by the president and confirmed by the Senate.

01:12:34.000 It was only one federal body that they said was for the people.

01:12:38.000 And even then, citizenship was restricted, and not even on the basis of race.

01:12:42.000 It was restricted really on the basis of class.

01:12:45.000 And there was the idea that, you know, we have self-governance, but self-governing isn't just about casting a vote.

01:12:51.000 It's also about being responsible for society.

01:12:54.000 And when I look at the people that are responsible for society, I think about property owners, business owners.

01:12:59.000 I think about people that are civically engaged.

01:13:03.000 They're engaged in their community.

01:13:04.000 They're engaged in, and you know, sometimes women fall in those categories. 1.00

01:13:08.000 And, you know, maybe that would be okay.

01:13:10.000 I guess it depends.

01:13:11.000 But maybe the fundamental assertion that should be questioned is that everyone has this right to vote.

01:13:17.000 They take for granted, oh, I'm born.

01:13:19.000 I get a right to vote.

01:13:20.000 I actually don't think that leads to good outcomes.

01:13:23.000 And that's why our elections are now these ridiculous turnout games where it's just pumping TV and radio with low IQ attack ads, literally bussing people to the polls.

01:13:33.000 You know, it's like a month they harvest ballots, getting people to just show up and sign their name on it.

01:13:38.000 This is not conducive to good governance.

01:13:41.000 That's not what citizenship looks like. 0.95

01:13:43.000 And so I think once you understand that, then you start to ask yourself, well, what would be the categories of people that should vote?

01:13:50.000 And I think when you consider the temperament of men and women, I think that one of the ways you draw the line is you say men should vote.

01:13:57.000 I think another category where you draw the line is...

01:14:00.000 People that own things, people that own property or own a business.

01:14:03.000 I'm sorry, I don't think renters and wage earners, I don't think they really have enough stake in the society to be able to cast a vote.

01:14:10.000 I think maybe you'd throw in a category like whether a person's a parent.

01:14:13.000 I'm not a parent, but maybe that's another category.

01:14:16.000 If you have kids, at least you have a stake in the future.

01:14:19.000 But we really need to get back to thinking about voting as part of citizenship, part of being self-governing, not just this thing where...

01:14:28.000 Everybody gets it like they get, you know, anything else.

01:14:32.000 Like it's a big free-for-all.

01:14:35.000 Yeah, go ahead. We're going to go last comments into the next subject.

01:14:37.000 Yeah, no problem. No problem.

01:14:39.000 Yeah, I just think that's a really terrible argument because you're bringing up temperament.

01:14:43.000 But, you know, 90% of all the wars in the world have been done by men because men hold the power.

01:14:49.000 A lot of the societal issues...

01:14:52.000 It could be attributed to men.

01:14:54.000 So when you're saying things about temperament, men have bad temperament too.

01:14:58.000 Men and women are very similar when it comes to the way their brains work.

01:15:02.000 So to take away the rights of one side of the aisle while leaving it for the other, that shows a lack of temperament on your behalf as well, which is just proving our argument.

01:15:13.000 And also, if you cut off the voting rights for 50% of the population, don't you think that would have a negative effect on society?

01:15:19.000 You say that's the best for society, but how is disenfranchising half of the entire population good for society? 0.86

01:15:25.000 Tell me. I think it would be...

01:15:28.000 Yeah, go ahead. I was going to say, and also, why should...

01:15:32.000 50% of society have a say-so for the whole majority.

01:15:38.000 That's crazy. That's crazy that you think that a man should have a say-so on how things affect women's bodies, how people live, how people express themselves.

01:15:53.000 That's... Yeah, no. That's not...

01:15:56.000 Can I make a statement on that?

01:16:00.000 Go ahead. In order to create a society, you need people.

01:16:04.000 In order to create a person, you need both men and women. 0.97

01:16:08.000 How can you speak on something like that and think that the other input is not worthy or is not valuable?

01:16:15.000 You can't even make a baby without a woman. 1.00

01:16:17.000 You can't even make a city to govern without a woman, and you're trying to take away the whole voice of Of a whole marginalized, not even marginalized, probably the most important factor in a society. 1.00

01:16:33.000 Because who's raising these children?

01:16:35.000 Who's carrying these children? 0.99

01:16:37.000 Who's building a society?

01:16:39.000 Who's under you that you think you have all the authority and right to govern all these people, but they're the people who's putting in the work for you to be able to sit up there and speak so confidently in what you're saying.

01:16:52.000 Perfect. I'm going to go on to the next subject here.

01:16:54.000 Let's do the last one from Jazz, and let's go on to the next subject, okay?

01:16:58.000 Yeah, I just feel like it doesn't matter.

01:16:59.000 If he's saying, okay, the threshold should be property owners, pays taxes, civically engaged, educated, and has kids, but then all of a sudden all women are excluded for this, although so many women meet this threshold just because you're making a categorical exclusion because of a group average, a very small one on temperament.

01:17:18.000 It just... It doesn't even align with anything else you're saying.

01:17:21.000 If you have these requirements to get in, it should be if you meet those requirements to vote, you should do it despite your gender or race or anything.

01:17:28.000 It just seems like you just want to categorically exclude women just because they're women based on a false perception of how all women are.

01:17:37.000 Because again, you're looking at a very small difference in group averages.

01:17:41.000 Great. Let's go on to the next subject.

01:17:43.000 It's like three people just went.

01:17:45.000 And I'll be quick about it.

01:17:47.000 Again, I'll just say I think that, you know, and here's another point I'll just throw out there.

01:17:53.000 Power and decision-making is distributed in the society in different ways, and I think burnout actually made a good point.

01:18:00.000 Women do raise all of the people, or ideally they should. 1.00

01:18:03.000 I think that the mothers should raise their babies.

01:18:06.000 I think every baby should be raised by their mother. 0.91

01:18:08.000 That's a massive amount of power and influence, and women are huge influence on their husbands. 1.00

01:18:13.000 How a man goes out and lives his life is totally influenced by a woman, and I think the idea that Voting is the end-all be-all of the expression of political power. 0.97

01:18:24.000 It's just wrong. And I think that in the same way that men aren't trying to push babies out of their butts, I think women shouldn't be fighting in the wars. 0.99

01:18:31.000 In the same way that men aren't breastfeeding the kids, I think women shouldn't be in politics. 1.00

01:18:35.000 I think that politics is an extension of war.

01:18:38.000 I think that governance is leadership.

01:18:40.000 And I think that temperamentally, not group averages, categorically, women are just not suited for that sort of thing. 1.00

01:18:46.000 Sounds good. Let's move on to the next subject.

01:18:49.000 To spice it up, let's start with Isaac.

01:18:52.000 I want to see what your answer is.

01:18:54.000 Isaac, should gay people be allowed to adopt babies? 0.99

01:18:59.000 Yeah, I believe that as long as you have the ability to be a good parent, whether you're gay, straight, no matter your sexual orientation, you should be allowed.

01:19:09.000 Pretty cut and dry. Okay, anyone else before Nick goes?

01:19:13.000 Should gay people be allowed to adopt babies? 1.00

01:19:15.000 Heaven, do you have anything? Burnout? 1.00

01:19:18.000 Yeah, I feel like anybody that has the heart to be a parent, the patience to be a parent, should be afforded that right to experience parenthood and having a child and having that family that they have always wanted.

01:19:36.000 I feel like there's no evidence to show that children that grow up in a single or same-sex couple households do it fair any worse on a majority of metrics and or on any metric.

01:19:49.000 And on top of that, I feel like if you're looking at the best interests of a child, a child that's needing to be adopted and a family that's wanting to adopt them, How could you possibly say that this child just should live without parents instead of going to gay parents, especially when there's no evidence that doing so would be more detrimental to the child, even in a heterosexual relationship, much less no parents? 0.76

01:20:12.000 Christine and then Cheyenne, do you have anything?

01:20:15.000 Should gay people be allowed to adopt babies? 1.00

01:20:17.000 Yes, absolutely. I just...

01:20:20.000 I can't...

01:20:22.000 Just for me, you know, for me, it's just...

01:20:25.000 I don't know, but there's plenty of unfit parents that are heterosexual, you know, ones that literally lose their kids to the system because of drugs or whatever it is that they're on.

01:20:37.000 If there is a gay couple that has no criminal record and they can be fit parents, I don't see why they can't be parents if they want to be parents, if they're not hurting the child.

01:20:49.000 Cheyenne, what do you think? Should gay people be allowed to adopt babies? 1.00

01:20:53.000 Yes. Anybody that wants to be a parent, it shouldn't matter what their sexual orientation is or race.

01:21:01.000 So I think that a child deserves two-parent households, but it shouldn't matter what sexuality they are.

01:21:09.000 Because a kid deserves parents.

01:21:11.000 That's how I feel. So yes.

01:21:14.000 Nick? Wait, hold on.

01:21:16.000 Did everybody go? Heaven, you went?

01:21:18.000 Did everybody respond? I didn't.

01:21:21.000 Yes, absolutely. You have to give an argument.

01:21:25.000 This is a debate. Besides period, why should gay people be allowed to adopt children? 0.99

01:21:30.000 I believe that your sexuality shouldn't disqualify you from having that experience and raising up a person into this world that could be beneficial rather than leaving them to fend and fight for themselves.

01:21:48.000 Because as we know, orphans...

01:21:51.000 Don't have anyone.

01:21:53.000 So it's better to, like, give them someone than nothing, I would say.

01:21:59.000 Great. Nick, should gay people be allowed to adopt babies? 1.00

01:22:02.000 No, totally not. 0.99

01:22:04.000 Absolutely not. And, you know, probably it stems from a disagreement.

01:22:09.000 I'm sure everybody on the panel thinks that homosexuality is fine. 1.00

01:22:12.000 I think it's wrong. 0.98

01:22:13.000 I think it's a perversion.

01:22:15.000 And I think it's sort of like the question...

01:22:17.000 Asking should you let alcoholics adopt kids or should you let drug users adopt kids or something like this? 0.62

01:22:24.000 You know, and let's just be very clear about what we're talking about.

01:22:27.000 You know, the way that homosexuals are portrayed in the media and like modern family and stuff is like, oh, you know, they're just like us.

01:22:34.000 They just kind of like, you know, they have a different preference.

01:22:37.000 Some people like hamburgers, some people like pizza.

01:22:40.000 And so it is. But let's just be very clear.

01:22:43.000 It's like 3% of the population that identifies as exclusively same-sex attracted.

01:22:48.000 It's a very low percentage.

01:22:50.000 It's going up over time.

01:22:52.000 When you have people that identify as they're flexible or they're not exclusively heterosexual or something like that, but the number of people that identify as exclusively same-sex attracted is exceedingly low.

01:23:05.000 We also find that there's a lot of Things that overlap with that.

01:23:10.000 Drug abuse, perversion, pedophilia. 1.00

01:23:13.000 It's like half of all the pedophiles are gay men. 1.00

01:23:16.000 They're like 3% of the population. 0.99

01:23:19.000 They're half of all the pedophiles. 0.67

01:23:20.000 And then you look at things like monkeypox. 0.95

01:23:22.000 How did monkeypox come to America?

01:23:24.000 It's because they all went on an island. 0.99

01:23:26.000 They were all having sex with everybody else. 1.00

01:23:28.000 It was a giant orgy. And then they all came back to America and had sex with everybody here. 1.00

01:23:32.000 And then they gave everybody monkeypox. 0.99

01:23:34.000 This is how the AIDS crisis started.

01:23:36.000 And nobody wants to talk about it, but it is the ugly reality. 0.99

01:23:40.000 Gay men, gay men know about it. 1.00

01:23:42.000 What's that? Is that fact? 0.82

01:23:44.000 Is that factual? Those are 100% facts.

01:23:49.000 Wait, don't spray people spread diseases too.

01:23:52.000 Okay. Not as much as gay. 0.99

01:23:53.000 The AIDS phenomenon was a gay phenomenon in the 80s and 90s.

01:23:57.000 Wait, I don't understand the 3%. 0.95

01:23:59.000 If I could just finish, I promise I'll wrap it up and then you can respond.

01:24:02.000 Yeah, let's lower the interruptions before you guys continue.

01:24:04.000 We'll go one at a time, Nick, if you could finish your opening statement. 0.80

01:24:06.000 So the dirty secret that nobody wants to talk about is that homosexuals, there's a huge overlap with perversion and other dysfunctional behaviors. 1.00

01:24:16.000 I'm sure there are homosexuals out there, maybe, that their only sin is sodomy. 1.00

01:24:22.000 Their only sin is sodomy and something like that, and maybe every other way. 0.99

01:24:27.000 They're fine. And I think that's very rare.

01:24:31.000 But overall, the gay community has a lot of those problems.

01:24:34.000 And I think the question fundamentally is, what is best for the child?

01:24:38.000 People say, well, everyone has a right to have kids.

01:24:41.000 And something consistent in the debate is this, we deserve, we have rights.

01:24:46.000 We have to think about what we're actually doing here.

01:24:49.000 We have to think about where the rights of other people are.

01:24:51.000 Do children have a right to grow up in a home with a moral fabric, where it's a man and a woman in a marriage, as opposed to a single person, gay people, other kinds of issues going on in the home?

01:25:03.000 I actually do think in some cases, children not being adopted is better.

01:25:08.000 And obviously, we can think of examples of where that would not be the case, and I think that also applies to homosexuals, too.

01:25:17.000 Okay, let's respond one at a time.

01:25:18.000 Do you have anything, Isaac? Yeah, I think the sort of main point of this debate is kind of there can't really be an agreement or a conclusion reached because we have a fundamental disagreement over what's moral.

01:25:32.000 I think you see homosexuality as a sin.

01:25:34.000 You call it sodomy. So from your perspective, People who are immoral should not raise kids. 0.98

01:25:41.000 And in that sense, I agree that people who are immoral should not raise kids.

01:25:44.000 However, I do not view homosexuality as immoral, as do many other people on this panel.

01:25:50.000 So that's pretty much how it is.

01:25:53.000 I don't think we will be able to reach a consensus on this, to be honest.

01:26:01.000 Do you have anything else? Burnout?

01:26:02.000 Heaven? Cheyenne?

01:26:03.000 Anything? I just want to know what basis do you base homosexuality in relation to alcoholism and pedophilic nature because those are very different things.

01:26:22.000 Those are hugely different things and that is a heavy statement to make in a comparison.

01:26:30.000 To call someone who is a drunk and a danger to children the same as someone who just likes the same sex. 1.00

01:26:41.000 That's a bit insane to me.

01:26:45.000 The argument went like this.

01:27:01.000 To raise them, because we've seen there's obvious problems.

01:27:04.000 What's that? We didn't say that.

01:27:05.000 We did not say that anybody should be able to be a doctor.

01:27:09.000 Your argument was, you can roll it back, but the argument was, people want to be parents, they should be able to be parents.

01:27:16.000 And I think you agree that some people, that's not, even if they want to be parents, that's not enough, because there's certain qualifications we have to consider whether they'd be good parents.

01:27:26.000 Would you not let people in a rural poor community adopt children then?

01:27:31.000 Because they have high, if you're looking at averages, they have high rates of alcoholism and drugs.

01:27:35.000 Would you not have people in middle America rural communities that all are dealing with this opiate crisis?

01:27:40.000 Would you not let any of them adopt children? 0.89

01:27:43.000 And again, just because when you said earlier, oh, it's rare, it's only three percent.

01:27:46.000 Like, yeah, maybe three percent of the population is born with four fingers instead of five.

01:27:50.000 That doesn't mean they shouldn't be parents, just because it's not as common.

01:27:53.000 So I don't understand just because you're saying that.

01:27:55.000 And again, there is actually no evidence that people, that children that grow up in same-sex households fare off any worse, whereas there is evidence that children growing up in poor rural communities fare off worse.

01:28:07.000 So with your argument, would you not let those people adopt children?

01:28:11.000 Again, the argument isn't about averages.

01:28:13.000 The argument isn't whether someone is statistically likely to be one thing or the other.

01:28:17.000 Exactly, Andy. Okay, can I finish my reply?

01:28:21.000 Yes. So as I'm not sure it's Isaac, I think Isaac said a moment ago, you know, we're not really going to come to an agreement because if you think that being gay is not immoral, and I think it follows, if you don't think it's immoral, you probably would say that gays are just people that have a higher risk factor, for example, of those things, just like other people, just like people in Appalachia or something, and therefore you wouldn't categorically exclude them.

01:28:49.000 What I'm saying, though, and I'm making this argument by painting a picture, is that homosexuality is immoral, just like being an alcoholic, just like being one of those other things. 0.99

01:29:00.000 And it's an immoral behavior.

01:29:02.000 I think in the same way that someone that abuses alcohol shouldn't have kids, someone that abuses themselves in a sexual way shouldn't be having kids.

01:29:10.000 The picture I'm painting for people who might be skeptical is just to kind of introduce it.

01:29:15.000 When I'm saying they shouldn't have kids, I'm not saying, oh, well, they shouldn't have kids because I'm prejudiced or a bigot.

01:29:21.000 I'm saying it's wrong, and it's a good heuristic that it's wrong because it's being misrepresented in the media and in society as something like it's—you have men and women.

01:29:33.000 There's half men, half women, and men and women are basically—they all are after the same things.

01:29:38.000 You've got black people, white people. 0.78

01:29:39.000 White people, black people are born a certain way, blah, blah, blah. 0.99

01:29:42.000 What I'm saying is about homosexuals being 3% of the population, It is anomalous. 1.00

01:29:47.000 It's non-normative.

01:29:49.000 And so there's something about that where I feel like people don't really recognize it's such a tiny minority.

01:29:53.000 And then you start to think, well, are people born gay and straight, like people are born white and black or men and women?

01:30:00.000 Are people born a certain way, and maybe they're born with a certain inclination, and then maybe it's environmental?

01:30:06.000 In some cases, it's induced by assault or trauma, or it's induced by certain environmental factors in the home, like an overbearing mother.

01:30:14.000 And then you start to create a profile that homosexuality is really a pattern of behavior more than an identity. 0.69

01:30:20.000 And that's why it tends to flow into heavy promiscuity, drug use, perversion, all these things.

01:30:27.000 Because it isn't just like a preference that is kind of arbitrary to Yeah, go ahead.

01:30:42.000 Couldn't you say the same thing about, like, people with your worldview?

01:30:45.000 That's a very fringe, small minority.

01:30:47.000 Oh, maybe your mother was this way or that way, and that's why you believe X thing you believe.

01:30:52.000 Your worldview and your fringe group of the internet is a very, very small minority.

01:30:56.000 I would never say that's the reason you guys shouldn't be able to adopt kids.

01:30:59.000 And again, if we're looking at...

01:31:01.000 If you're just going to say homosexuality is immoral, I don't like it, that's why, fine. 1.00

01:31:05.000 But what you're saying is, oh, they have overlaps with drug use and this and that, when, again...

01:31:10.000 Those poor rural communities, they have way bigger overlaps, and we have actual statistical data that children that grow up in those communities end up faring worse, whereas children growing up with same-sex couples do not.

01:31:22.000 So if you just want to say, I don't like homosexuality because it's gross, fine, but I don't know where these other arguments are coming from because you're not being consistent with them.

01:31:30.000 Do you know any gay people? 0.96

01:31:34.000 No, I don't think I do.

01:31:36.000 So I think you're speaking from a perspective of someone that doesn't know the LGBTQ community.

01:31:43.000 You're just speaking about your own experience by maybe media, maybe your own closed-minded view.

01:31:50.000 Yeah, I think that if you're trying to make the case that homosexuals are not promiscuous, that they don't abuse drugs, that they don't like to party, that there's not immense perversion, I think you don't know what you're talking about on that case. 1.00

01:32:05.000 I mean, it's true. Maybe I don't have credibility on the subject because...

01:32:09.000 You know, I don't know them and that lifestyle intimately, but I think you'd be mistaken if you're arguing that.

01:32:15.000 And people can decide for themselves.

01:32:17.000 Yeah, go ahead. The description of the character you just gave also sounds like your average frat boy.

01:32:23.000 So where's the difference in that, baby?

01:32:26.000 Like, make it consistent.

01:32:29.000 Yeah, I think you're right.

01:32:31.000 I think there is a lot of that with frat boys.

01:32:32.000 But I also think that the numbers are just extraordinary.

01:32:35.000 I mean, for example, you know, there are studies that have been done about homosexuality.

01:32:40.000 I'm thinking of one that was done in San Francisco.

01:32:42.000 It said that 95% of them are non-monogamous and promiscuous.

01:32:47.000 And the numbers about their lifetime sexual partners, it's huge.

01:32:52.000 It's in like the hundreds.

01:32:53.000 It's just like a totally different category than heterosexual people.

01:32:57.000 And I think that's kind of the point I'm getting at.

01:33:00.000 I am making the case that it's immoral.

01:33:02.000 And I'm trying to paint a picture for you where it's not like we're kind of starting in the middle of the story.

01:33:07.000 Where it's like, you got straight people, you got gay people. 0.95

01:33:10.000 Is it fair to discriminate?

01:33:11.000 And I'm saying, well, we can't really start in the middle of the story.

01:33:14.000 We kind of have to go back.

01:33:15.000 And it's like, where are the gay people really coming from? 1.00

01:33:19.000 Is it just like a roll the dice? 0.54

01:33:21.000 And just like everything else, one person's one way and one person is another?

01:33:25.000 Or is homosexuality a non-normative behavior? 0.95

01:33:29.000 It's a deviant behavior. It's a form of acting out or indulgence or a defect like other things, you know, a predisposition to alcoholism, a predisposition to other things. I think there's a good case to be made based on the fact that it's such a small percentage and they are given to these extreme and I think anti-social behaviors. And you know, that's just...

01:33:51.000 If people had the ability to choose their sexuality, why would they, what benefit would they have by being gay in society? 0.99

01:33:56.000 I agree.

01:33:57.000 Pemsdam.

01:33:59.000 Society does not see them as equal to straight. 0.84

01:34:02.000 In order for somebody to become a minority without any benefit, they would have to be crazy. 1.00

01:34:10.000 But you might see gay people as crazy. 0.99

01:34:12.000 I don't know. That seems like something you can do. 0.98

01:34:15.000 I agree with you. I don't think it's a choice.

01:34:18.000 It's just like I think a lot of things aren't a choice.

01:34:20.000 I think that, you know, there are people that are born as sociopaths.

01:34:24.000 There are people that are born with the predisposition of violence or alcohol.

01:34:28.000 People are unfortunately born, they're kind of loaded up with a lot of things.

01:34:33.000 And how much of that is genetic and environmental, I think it's a difficult line to draw.

01:34:38.000 And I'm willing to say for the sake of argument, I think very clearly there are some people with a predisposition.

01:34:43.000 I think for a lot of people, it's very environmental.

01:34:46.000 Ultimately, though, no one makes a conscious decision.

01:34:49.000 I agree with that. The question is, though, does it make it any less moral?

01:34:53.000 You know, some people are born, pardon the comparison, but some people are born with a predisposition for violence.

01:35:02.000 And would you say, hey, well, you know, some people are black, some people are white, some people are women, some are men.

01:35:07.000 Some people like to kill people and some people don't and they're equally valid. 1.00

01:35:10.000 Like, no, you'd say, well, one is immoral.

01:35:12.000 Maybe they can't help it, but it should probably be regulated by society.

01:35:17.000 I think the same is true with homosexuality. 1.00

01:35:19.000 I think the same is true with other.

01:35:21.000 I think the same is true as hypersexuality in heterosexuals.

01:35:24.000 I think a lot of that should be regulated.

01:35:27.000 Right. Would you say then that black people shouldn't be able to adopt kids because they're technically more likely to be predispositioned towards violence because they commit more of it, if that's what you believe? 0.99

01:35:37.000 Or would you like, when you say, okay, alcoholics shouldn't be able to adopt kids, would you actually see that the person that wants to adopt a child is an alcoholic?

01:35:44.000 Or would you exclude them because they come from a region?

01:35:47.000 Like, poor rural America, where a lot of them are alcoholics.

01:35:50.000 Because for some reason, with gay people, you're like, automatically, because there's this overlap between, or they have higher rates of drug use than whatever other demographic you're comparing them to, that we're not now going to look at them individually and think, are you an alcoholic? 0.96

01:36:04.000 Are you a drug addict?

01:36:05.000 But I have a feeling that when it comes to other groups, you would actually want them to show, okay, this person shouldn't be a parent because they are using drugs, not because they come from an area or that they're white or whatever, that makes them more likely to do so.

01:36:21.000 Yeah, again, I think you're kind of getting hung up on, like, I'm not saying it's a statistical risk factor.

01:36:26.000 I'm not saying homosexuals are more likely to do X, Y, and Z, although they are, and therefore they shouldn't be able to adopt. 1.00

01:36:32.000 I'm saying homosexuality is wrong, I said, and we know it's wrong because it really is a pattern of behavior. 1.00

01:36:40.000 People that exclusively engage in homosexual sex... 0.98

01:36:44.000 It's an act. It's a lifestyle. 0.99

01:36:47.000 It is a way of living.

01:36:48.000 Just like some people go and drink every day. 0.98

01:36:50.000 Some men have sex with men and some women have sex with women. 0.95

01:36:54.000 And I'm saying that categorically, those people should not have kids. 0.92

01:36:57.000 Just like categorically, alcoholics shouldn't have kids.

01:37:00.000 Just like categorically, drug abusers, I should say, shouldn't be able to adopt kids. 0.98

01:37:04.000 Black people, by virtue of existing, don't necessarily have a predisposition of violence, but black people that are engaged in gangbanging. 1.00

01:37:13.000 I worked at UPS one time. 0.98

01:37:16.000 Luck of the draw. The guy that was training me was black, and there was another black guy alongside me, and they're like, you gangbang? 0.95

01:37:24.000 Yeah, gang. They're from Gary, Indiana. 0.61

01:37:25.000 They're from the South Side. Luck of the draw, I guess.

01:37:28.000 That lifestyle shouldn't be able to adopt. 0.99

01:37:31.000 Same thing with homosexuals. 1.00

01:37:32.000 And so... If there was data that showed that, or if you believed, even because there is, that showed that these children don't fare off any worse with same-sex couples that engage in whatever lifestyle you're talking about, does that matter to you?

01:37:46.000 Or is it just you just don't like it, it's wrong, even though it doesn't seem to have any negative impact on children?

01:37:53.000 No, because I think that – and this is a point I think is interesting.

01:37:58.000 You're always pushing the data, and it's a very strong argument when you come with data.

01:38:02.000 I don't think that we get all our knowledge empirically, empirically meaning scientifically.

01:38:07.000 We set up a hypothesis.

01:38:09.000 We collect data. We measure it.

01:38:10.000 I think we also get knowledge rationally.

01:38:13.000 I think we're also able to – you could call it common sense.

01:38:16.000 You could call it logic. I think we also get information other ways.

01:38:20.000 Yeah. That's how we get philosophy.

01:38:21.000 That's how we get the idea that it's probably wrong to sodomize because the natural end of sex is reproduction. 0.69

01:38:28.000 That's something that you can't determine that through a study or scientifically.

01:38:32.000 You determine that rationally.

01:38:34.000 And so I think that data can be manipulated.

01:38:37.000 You can play with the numbers.

01:38:39.000 I'm really uninterested in the data.

01:38:41.000 I think it's immoral. I think people that grow up in a household being taught Sex could be had between two consenting people or many consenting people or men and men.

01:38:49.000 I think it's wrong. I don't think people should be brought up in that kind of environment.

01:38:53.000 So basically...

01:38:54.000 Hold on, hold on. Jazz, we're going to let you go.

01:38:58.000 I want to hear from Isaac and then we're going to move on to the next subject because Isaac, it seems like you have a moral quandary with Nick, but let's go one more thing from Jazz.

01:39:07.000 Yeah, I was just going to say, so you're saying ignore all the data, ignore the actual evidence that people have gathered looking at children and how they fare off in different environments.

01:39:15.000 Ignore that even personal experience, because it seems like you don't know, you don't hang around a lot of same-sex couples, but just whatever you feel, you think, based on Catholicism and whatever you're putting together, that should be the metric that all of society should go by.

01:39:29.000 Not facts, not even lived experiences, just what you feel.

01:39:34.000 Okay. Hang on.

01:39:36.000 It's not about what I feel.

01:39:37.000 Again, it's where do we get knowledge?

01:39:41.000 Where do we get things like math itself?

01:39:43.000 Where do we get things like, you know, even the conception that we shouldn't kill people, that life is good and death is bad?

01:39:50.000 You know, these are things that we can't necessarily derive from empirical methods alone.

01:39:56.000 And, you know, you can say, well, we should just go by your system.

01:39:59.000 You have a system too.

01:40:01.000 You're arguing a moral system as well.

01:40:03.000 People don't think of it in that way, but when you say things like...

01:40:06.000 Well, everyone should have rights, and everyone should be treated fairly.

01:40:09.000 That is a moral position.

01:40:11.000 Where are you getting that moral position?

01:40:14.000 You know, I'm getting a moral position from the Catholic Church.

01:40:17.000 We're getting it from philosophy.

01:40:18.000 We're getting it from revelation.

01:40:20.000 We're getting it from natural law.

01:40:23.000 So we're both arguing a moral position.

01:40:25.000 Let's not pretend like one position was objectively proven true by a study saying that Fairness is good is not an empirical statement.

01:40:34.000 That's not a scientific statement.

01:40:36.000 It's a moral statement.

01:40:37.000 And, you know, moral statements are created by moral systems by people.

01:40:42.000 So, you know, I'm going to go to Isaac.

01:40:47.000 Isaac, what is your response to next moral position?

01:40:51.000 Yeah, I just think my dilemma is that on paper, there's nothing wrong with his belief that immoral people should not adopt kids.

01:41:00.000 I just think that what's moral is subjective.

01:41:04.000 I do not believe that because you're homosexual, you are immoral.

01:41:08.000 And I do think that even if we're using this really narrow-minded view of morality, Once you agree that there are people that you find immoral that are good at what they do, can we concede to that?

01:41:22.000 Absolutely. Yeah. So just because you view someone as immoral does not mean they don't have the ability to do what's needed.

01:41:29.000 So if someone is immoral but is still a good parent and the kid ends up achieving greatness because they had good parents, why would you be against that?

01:41:38.000 I don't understand. Because the first— Hold on, let's let Nick respond and then Bernard, you can go.

01:41:44.000 Oh, yeah. In my opinion, I think that the thing that a parent has to do first is give their kid a moral education.

01:41:51.000 You know, we look at the society today, it's falling apart because kids aren't getting a moral education.

01:41:56.000 They're getting taught calculus and science, and then they can read and they can do a lot of things, but they're not getting a moral education.

01:42:03.000 They're not being taught—you know, like, for example, you look at crime— We find people are so unsatisfying.

01:42:21.000 People we find are selfish.

01:42:23.000 people we find are uncaring.

01:42:25.000 It's because there's a true moral failing, and it stems from really bad parents.

01:42:30.000 Single parents, selfish parents, divorced parents, parents that are more interested in other things, parents themselves that didn't have a moral compass. 0.76

01:42:38.000 Such a huge...

01:42:39.000 And we say narrow-minded.

01:42:40.000 I don't think it's narrow-minded.

01:42:41.000 It is more narrow.

01:42:42.000 I do have a more narrow version of morality.

01:42:44.000 I think our responsibilities go further than just don't harm other people in obvious ways, which seems to be the consensus.

01:42:51.000 It's like, as long as you're not hurting somebody, it's like, but, you know, aren't we hurting children when their parents get divorced?

01:42:58.000 Aren't we hurting people when we engage in decadent, irresponsible behaviors?

01:43:03.000 Aren't we hurting ourselves? Is there anything better about hurting ourselves than hurting somebody else, and why?

01:43:09.000 So it is a more narrow version of morality, but I think that's what's needed.

01:43:15.000 I'll go ahead and then I have a question for Isaac.

01:43:17.000 Alright, to elaborate more on this straight edge path that you're thinking when it comes to morality or whatever, I would start with saying that morality comes from being mortal.

01:43:31.000 No? Can we all agree on that?

01:43:33.000 Being a human being and living and having experiences dictate your morality and Morality really is not a singular thing.

01:43:43.000 It doesn't have to do with an individual.

01:43:45.000 It's community-based.

01:43:46.000 Because morals are held up around what is deemed acceptable and what is deemed not acceptable.

01:43:55.000 And for you to sit here and make statistical statements And not consider that morals have a very big part to do with your experience as a human being and how you physically inhabit spaces in your body and spaces where you don't really know what's going on.

01:44:17.000 You're just regurgitating information.

01:44:20.000 It's kind of like we all know is narrow-minded, but it can't be the definitive factor or like the last And I'll be all because life is full of complexities and you're not considering any of them.

01:44:36.000 You're taking your information that someone has told you, not anything that you have experienced firsthand and saying that's the end all be all.

01:44:45.000 And this is what we should go by when there's no proof that this is the best way to go.

01:44:50.000 Great. Isaac, I want to ask you, where does morality come from?

01:44:54.000 That's actually a good question.

01:44:57.000 I think morality is a human construct.

01:44:59.000 A lot of people could say it comes from Christianity.

01:45:02.000 I think Nick would agree with that.

01:45:03.000 But I also think that there are things that lean into the more subjectivity of it all because there are things that Christians deem moral that I deem immoral. 0.80

01:45:15.000 And there are things that I deem moral, that Christians deem immoral, like abortion. 0.97

01:45:21.000 So I don't think morality...

01:45:22.000 We don't have enough evidence or enough understanding to know exactly where morality comes from.

01:45:27.000 And that is why we can't make society-based things on subjective moral values.

01:45:34.000 Because just because you think something's immoral does not mean the next man thinks something is immoral.

01:45:40.000 So we need to be a little more complex with that.

01:45:43.000 And I don't think... That's why I think you're narrow-minded in the sense that you're not considering all the complexities of morality and the subjectivity around morality.

01:45:51.000 You're just going by your own sense of morality rather than taking into account the rest of the world.

01:45:58.000 That's just my opinion. Well, you haven't answered the question directly.

01:46:01.000 Where does morality come from?

01:46:02.000 We don't know where it comes from.

01:46:04.000 Nobody knows. Okay, do you have anything from Cheyenne and then from Christine?

01:46:08.000 You haven't spoke much during this subject.

01:46:10.000 Do you have anything? We'll move on to the next one.

01:46:13.000 Yeah, my parents are pretty conservative, I would say, and I just feel like When you say that, you know, gay parents will be a bad example and such, I just, I don't personally get it because I was raised by, like, similar beliefs.

01:46:31.000 Like, my parents have similar beliefs as you.

01:46:33.000 Like, they told me, like, growing up, like, you better not like girls and things like that.

01:46:37.000 And so that's what I'm saying.

01:46:39.000 Like, for me, I form my own opinion about what I think is right to be okay and equality and things like that.

01:46:47.000 And so I think Like gay people raising kids or straight people raising kids, they're still going to form their own beliefs. 0.98

01:46:57.000 That'll be against what you believe.

01:47:01.000 Cheyenne, is morality subjective or objective?

01:47:06.000 I don't. It's subjective.

01:47:11.000 Okay, where does morality come from?

01:47:13.000 We don't know. But what I can say, as a person who grew up in a church, because both parents are Christianity, that's just...

01:47:23.000 They've been told me, you can't be gay, you better not be gay.

01:47:26.000 But to say that just because someone may be different, they're not as human or as qualified to be parents, or as a woman, she's not qualified to do anything because she's a woman.

01:47:41.000 It's kind of a bit...

01:47:44.000 It's a bit biased and a bit weird, don't you think?

01:47:50.000 Okay, let's move on to the next subject.

01:47:52.000 We're starting to circle a little bit, and I would just say going forward, if the participants, instead of asking questions, we would like to hear your arguments instead of reverting back to Nick.

01:48:01.000 I'm hearing less of people's stances and just asking Nick questions, so if you could state your arguments a little bit more.

01:48:07.000 We'll move on to the next one now, and I'll start with Nick, because you started with the Isaac last one.

01:48:10.000 Nick, is it okay to be fat? 0.70

01:48:13.000 No, no, it's gross.

01:48:15.000 And I sympathize, okay, because I'm gaining weight at a rapid pace.

01:48:20.000 I like to eat, okay?

01:48:21.000 I like eating. I hate working out.

01:48:23.000 I hate exerting myself.

01:48:24.000 So I say it, you know, you can't really call me a hypocrite because I'm getting there, you know, and I struggle to stop the trend.

01:48:33.000 No, but it goes along with everything else we've been saying.

01:48:37.000 It really is a fundamental question of We're good to go.

01:49:03.000 I think that the things that harm ourselves are immoral.

01:49:25.000 We would all feel in our heart of hearts, there's something wrong if we're not being productive.

01:49:31.000 And we know somewhere deep down that work is good.

01:49:34.000 When we don't work, we feel bad.

01:49:36.000 When people are working around us but we're not, we feel guilty.

01:49:39.000 Why is that? We have a conscience. We have an objective sense of morality that's baked into the cake.

01:49:46.000 And that's because we know that work and toil and productivity are good and the opposite is bad.

01:49:52.000 Same goes for things like waste. We feel and inherit guilt and we waste food.

01:49:57.000 Why is that? It's something that's immoral.

01:50:00.000 It's not necessarily hurting somebody else, but we can all recognize it's not a good thing.

01:50:04.000 And the same goes for being decadent, overindulgent, obese.

01:50:08.000 The big scam is people say obesity is caused by some other thing.

01:50:11.000 It's caused by eating too much.

01:50:13.000 It's caused by a lack of discipline.

01:50:14.000 People say they got big bones or something. 0.99

01:50:17.000 I think there's a lot of shit in the foods that we're not supposed to eat, but if you get fat, it's probably because you're eating too much, and that's a sin. 0.98

01:50:24.000 So we need people to stop eating, stop the snacking, stop drinking the sugary drinks, stop grazing all the time. 0.99

01:50:32.000 Gotta get up and move, get active, you know? 1.00

01:50:34.000 Stop being such a fat piece of shit. 1.00

01:50:35.000 That's kind of my view on the whole thing, and I think it's immoral. 1.00

01:50:38.000 Who has a rebuttal?

01:50:39.000 Does anyone think that it's okay to be fat?

01:50:42.000 Go ahead, Isaac. Okay, I agree with Nick a lot on this.

01:50:47.000 I do not think that it's okay to be physically unhealthy.

01:50:51.000 However, where my opinion differs, and I'm just assuming, you didn't say it, but I don't think we should demonize people for being physically unhealthy.

01:51:00.000 I think there are productive ways to stir people into a physically healthy life that doesn't involve shaming them and making them feel any worse than they already are.

01:51:07.000 So, and to answer your question, I don't think it's alright to be physically unhealthy, but I don't think the solution to that is to shame people.

01:51:14.000 And also, obesity and being fat can be caused by factors that aren't controlled by the person that is that way.

01:51:20.000 I just wanted to add that.

01:51:22.000 It's a rarity, but those situations still happen.

01:51:26.000 So that's how I feel about it.

01:51:29.000 Before Nick responds, anybody else?

01:51:30.000 Is it okay to be fat? Do you have anything?

01:51:34.000 Jazz, go ahead. I think there's a difference between unhealthy and immoral and I don't think like Nick always talks about oh we have this inherent we have this inherent thing that we just know it's unhealthy we know it's immoral and I think like earlier you brought up like oh there's like things like math well there's a consensus on math clearly your moral framework is not shared by a lot of people it's by the majority of people in our country and so if it's so inherent that we should all just know it because it's just within us It seems like it's only a small percentage of people that have the thing you're talking about where we just inherently feel that someone eating donuts is so immoral.

01:52:10.000 It's just not happening.

01:52:13.000 Heaven, do you have anything? Is it okay to be fat?

01:52:16.000 Personally, I feel like it is okay to be fat in terms of just looks.

01:52:22.000 If somebody is personally comfortable and confident that way, then two thumbs up to them.

01:52:30.000 Is it okay to be unhealthy?

01:52:31.000 No. However, I do feel like what Nick is kind of getting at has more to do with a person's, it has more to do with just being negative and like trying to tear them down and not really health.

01:52:46.000 Because sometimes if a person has weight on them, it's not really because they're unhealthy.

01:52:51.000 It may be like, as I said, they may have personal like health issues that they're going through.

01:52:57.000 Yeah. And also, fat is subjective because a lot of beauty standards have changed over time. 0.82

01:53:03.000 I remember the women that we call thick and curvy these days, they were labeled fat back in the day. 1.00

01:53:09.000 So it's also really subjective about being fat.

01:53:13.000 And as long as somebody is comfortable in their own skin, I think it's okay, but I'm not going to, like, enable, you know, physically, you know, physical unhealthy behavior.

01:53:25.000 But I'm not going to shame or demonize them the way you guys do.

01:53:28.000 That's my personal opinion.

01:53:31.000 Well, I don't want to demonize.

01:53:33.000 I don't think they're demonic.

01:53:34.000 I don't think fat people are demonic. 0.90

01:53:35.000 I just don't want to see them. 0.98

01:53:37.000 I don't want to see them around.

01:53:38.000 I think it is the picture of being unhealthy when you're obese.

01:53:44.000 People don't like to look at it for a reason.

01:53:46.000 There's a reason that super fat people are not in high demand in the dating market or something like that.

01:53:53.000 We don't like it because it's not beautiful.

01:53:55.000 It's not beautiful because it's not good.

01:53:57.000 It's not beautiful because it's not healthy.

01:53:59.000 Exactly. And I think that, you know, as far as shame is concerned, I think shame is extremely important, you know, because people, we know people and we know ourselves.

01:54:08.000 If we don't have positive and negative incentives, we will do the path of least resistance.

01:54:14.000 We will do what we want.

01:54:15.000 We'll do what is easiest.

01:54:17.000 And something like food, we all love to eat.

01:54:20.000 Food tastes good. It's abundant.

01:54:21.000 It's plentiful. You know, it's something that we like to do.

01:54:25.000 If there's not a powerful motivator...

01:54:28.000 Like shame or fear of judgment or things like that, I think it does actually lead more people to engage in that, and I think it's not for their benefit.

01:54:37.000 So it's almost like you look at a person who's fat.

01:54:41.000 Now, a person that's fat has a lot of problems. 0.92

01:54:43.000 They're probably going to die.

01:54:44.000 They have a lot of health complications.

01:54:47.000 Also, people don't really want to be around that.

01:54:50.000 Are we really going to vilify the shaming?

01:54:53.000 What's better for the person?

01:54:55.000 If they're shamed but they're skinny or they're not shamed but they're fat.

01:54:59.000 I think it's better if they're shamed and they're skinny.

01:55:01.000 I think that's better for them. I think that's better for society.

01:55:04.000 And we have to kind of get away from this, like, oversensitivity.

01:55:08.000 People are like wild animals.

01:55:11.000 If left to their own devices, they will destroy themselves and others.

01:55:14.000 I think meanness is actually kind of a prerequisite for...

01:55:18.000 And by the way, we know this with other things.

01:55:21.000 When people are like racist, when people are whatever, the kinds of things you guys don't like, you have no problem shaming them. 0.90

01:55:28.000 You have no problem being mean, even in some ways, not necessarily you guys in particular, I'm speaking broadly, even being a little bit hypocritical towards so-called racists or sexists or whatever.

01:55:41.000 So I don't think anybody disagrees with the tactics. 0.93

01:55:44.000 Everybody knows that. It's just a question of what do you think is wrong, and I think that on some level people want to tolerate fatness because people are more tolerant of weakness, decadence, selfishness than they are of meanness or cruelty or other things like that, and I just think that's all out of – I think that's imbalanced.

01:56:05.000 Thank you.

01:56:09.000 Yeah, go ahead. Burnout.

01:56:12.000 Sorry for asking another question.

01:56:14.000 Burnout, burnout, burnout. Before you ask the question, I want to hear your response before you change the subject.

01:56:19.000 So we'll hear from burnout. And I want to hear from Christine.

01:56:21.000 I want to hear from Cheyenne. You have not been participating.

01:56:23.000 All right. So I don't think it's a crime to be fat.

01:56:27.000 Fat people aren't harming people. 0.92

01:56:29.000 Like you want to say you don't like seeing them, but you just admitted that you sympathize because you're becoming fat.

01:56:38.000 It don't really, it's not really mixed in the pocket.

01:56:41.000 I know, and I hate myself. I look in the mirror, I see my fat face, and I'm like, damn, you're getting fat. 1.00

01:56:46.000 So do you really have the sympathy? 1.00

01:56:49.000 Because you can't sit here and call fat people disgusting while being one, because that just gives hypocritical. 1.00

01:56:54.000 You just sound hypocritical. 1.00

01:56:56.000 It's giving guilt to you. 0.99

01:56:58.000 It's giving guilt. It's giving what?

01:57:00.000 It's giving guilt. I look at my fat face in the mirror and I'm like, I'm so fat. 0.82

01:57:05.000 I need to get scared. That's good. 0.96

01:57:07.000 People call me fat.

01:57:08.000 It hurts my feelings, but it motivates me.

01:57:11.000 Then when I go to Dunkin' Donuts, I'm like, what's that?

01:57:13.000 Do you feel like you're hurting anyone by being fat?

01:57:15.000 Do you feel like you're physically hurting anyone by being fat?

01:57:18.000 I'm offending the audience.

01:57:19.000 If I'm fat, I offend the audience.

01:57:22.000 You shouldn't think that way about yourself, man.

01:57:24.000 No, because I don't think what you equated it to is the same.

01:57:30.000 It depends on your look.

01:57:32.000 Some fat people can pull it off. 1.00

01:57:34.000 They have like a kind of jolly demeanor.

01:57:37.000 Some people look a little better that way.

01:57:40.000 I feel like we shouldn't speak on other people's bodies, especially if we don't know what's going on with them.

01:57:44.000 You are more than valid to speak on yours.

01:57:47.000 And if you're admitting to being embarrassed about getting fat and in the same breath belittling fat people, you're just saying that you hate yourself.

01:57:56.000 I hate that I'm getting fat.

01:57:57.000 I do. And everyone should want to be healthy.

01:58:00.000 Everyone should want these things.

01:58:02.000 And we should encourage them to be...

01:58:04.000 I want everyone to be the best that they can be.

01:58:08.000 And I don't think we should be, like, cruel.

01:58:10.000 I am against cruelty.

01:58:12.000 But I do think, you know, if there's shame involved, if people feel bad for being fat, I don't think that's a bad thing.

01:58:18.000 And there's a big difference between...

01:58:21.000 I don't believe in cruelty.

01:58:46.000 Not often, not all the time, but if you feel negative emotion, a lot of the times it's because you need to make a change.

01:58:51.000 And I feel like the left in general, they want to remedy all bad feelings, all negative feelings.

01:58:57.000 They want to create an environment where everyone's super sensitive.

01:59:00.000 And then when the outcomes are terrible, they care less about that.

01:59:05.000 They care more about everybody feeling better than, for example, them being healthy.

01:59:09.000 And in that sense, they're doing a disservice to people when they say, you're beautiful.

01:59:12.000 It's like... If a fat person's in front, it's like, you're not beautiful.

01:59:17.000 You're not doing them any favors by telling them that there's nothing wrong with them because there is.

01:59:21.000 You don't have to be cruel about it.

01:59:24.000 What about when someone has acne?

01:59:26.000 Should we shame them?

01:59:28.000 Because it could be for a hormonal issue, which a lot of people that are bigger have hormonal issues or some type of genetic predisposition to it.

01:59:35.000 Do you just go around and if someone's ugly or has acne or just is not pleasurable to look at, you just think that's the response?

01:59:43.000 Well, but acne is different.

01:59:44.000 Acne is not something that is directly caused by your lifestyle.

01:59:49.000 It can be.

01:59:51.000 In some cases, weight is not directly dictated by your lifestyle.

01:59:59.000 I don't think that's true. So you see a lot of morbidly obese people that are starving to death?

02:00:10.000 No, but there are sometimes like hormonal issues, like thyroid issues, like my aunt has it and she works out all the time and she's really healthy, but she just puts on a lot of weight because her thyroid. 0.97

02:00:19.000 So people can have these issues that can also cause acne.

02:00:22.000 There's many underlying factors that can lead to what someone looks like on the outside.

02:00:27.000 And so I feel like either you have to make fun of everyone for everything, you're ugly, you're sure you have acne, or you need to understand that you don't necessarily know why a person looks a particular way.

02:00:37.000 I think we do kind of do that.

02:00:38.000 I think we do kind of do that anyway.

02:00:41.000 And I think that, you know, some people are more comfortable with some things than other things.

02:00:45.000 You know, it's like it's a classic example.

02:00:48.000 You know, women will say, well, you know, we don't like short men.

02:00:51.000 We don't like weak men.

02:00:52.000 We don't like men that aren't facially attractive. 0.98

02:00:54.000 But then you go, OK, we don't like fat women. 1.00

02:00:56.000 They go, what the? How could you say that? 0.94

02:00:59.000 That's she's crying.

02:01:00.000 That's terrible. It's like I think the world's a pretty cruel place.

02:01:04.000 And I think that obesity, ironically, it's one of the ones that is most correlated.

02:01:09.000 Because you're right, in some cases, there are people that have an extenuating circumstance.

02:01:14.000 I think in a lot of cases, it is overeating.

02:01:17.000 Generations ago, there weren't as many fat people.

02:01:19.000 And if you look around the world, in different countries, it varies tremendously.

02:01:23.000 I think it is owing a lot to diet and exercise, more so than some, certainly acne, height, these other things you're pointing out, those are almost completely uncontrollable.

02:01:35.000 And in the case of something like acne or bad skin, that is something, I think, less so than obesity that can be attributable to lifestyle.

02:01:44.000 We all know if you see somebody with a super greasy face and greasy hair, and they have bad complexions, like, okay, that guy doesn't shower.

02:01:51.000 That's different than someone who just has it because of hormones, because they're an adolescent or something.

02:01:57.000 But take a shower.

02:01:59.000 Yeah, but just like what Jasmine was saying.

02:02:01.000 Yeah, she could go after me. 0.97

02:02:03.000 Yeah, but exactly what Jasmine was saying.

02:02:05.000 There are like underlying things that...

02:02:07.000 You know, cause somebody to be, like, socioeconomic status, too.

02:02:10.000 They're like people in food deserts where they have no opportunity or no other options but to eat, you know, bad food.

02:02:16.000 So there are people that are put in positions where they can't help the way they look.

02:02:20.000 And I agree, it's physically unhealthy and it's not good for them, but there needs to be a more productive way to lean them towards getting healthy.

02:02:28.000 Like, you know, we could provide more programs to help, you know, people who are socioeconomically disadvantaged to You know, get healthier.

02:02:36.000 But calling somebody fat and saying you're ugly, I don't want to look at you.

02:02:39.000 These people generally are already feeling bad about themselves and you're just putting them down even further.

02:02:43.000 And when someone gets put down, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy where they don't want to get better because they already view the world as against them.

02:02:52.000 So I don't think your way of dealing with that will be productive.

02:02:56.000 It would actually lead to more self-pity and more obese people, if I'm being quite honest.

02:03:02.000 Christine, go ahead. Is it okay to be fat?

02:03:03.000 Oh, thank you. Yeah, I just wanted to say, like, there's all the TikTokers and, like, the binge eaters that I see that they're like, what I eat in a day? 1.00

02:03:09.000 And they're eating, like, 10,000 pounds a day.

02:03:11.000 A lot of those are skinny, skinny people.

02:03:13.000 So I feel like that energy should also be directed towards them because, like, their ones are eating unhealthily.

02:03:17.000 But since they aren't able to gain a lot of weight or they have fast metabolisms, Like, no one really cares.

02:03:23.000 But then, like, a fat woman or a fat man will be eating a salad and they're getting roasted for that. 0.99

02:03:28.000 So, yeah, like, you know, you see a fat person in the gym and they're getting made fun of.

02:03:32.000 So, like, how can they get better if they're just...

02:03:34.000 I know that's the truth of it and that's what's going to happen regardless.

02:03:38.000 But, yeah, I think there's a double standard there.

02:03:40.000 And there's, of course, like, Cushing syndrome.

02:03:42.000 There's PCOS and, like, syndromes and diseases that people, like, they can't help but to gain weight.

02:03:47.000 Like, during that, like, medications and stuff like that.

02:03:51.000 So... Cheyenne, do you have anything?

02:03:53.000 Is it okay to be fat? It's okay to be fat, but I don't think it's okay to be unhealthy.

02:04:01.000 Some people cannot control that they're fat, or sometimes it's genetics, or sometimes they go to a doctor and they'll be like, hey, you're going to start gaining weight.

02:04:11.000 And sometimes, when you get older, things stretch, and you can't control your weight, and it's going to get as harder.

02:04:18.000 But... Being unhealthy is not okay, because as she just said, you see people on TikTok, they just gobbling that thing, gobbling, gobbling.

02:04:27.000 But some of them have fat metabolism, versus you'll see somebody who's plus size, they're eating like a healthy meal, and they're making fun of.

02:04:35.000 I don't think that's okay that they get shamed. 0.98

02:04:37.000 I eat horribly and everything goes into my ass and titties and I just make more money on OnlyFans. 0.99

02:04:42.000 Okay, we don't need to talk about OnlyFans. 1.00

02:04:43.000 That's a different subject completely.

02:04:46.000 Let's move on because this is kind of getting cyclical. 0.97

02:04:48.000 I'm going to ask Nick, is transgenderism a mental illness?

02:04:52.000 Yeah, I think, you know, by definition, what do they call it?

02:04:55.000 Gender dysphoria? I mean, by definition it is.

02:04:58.000 And people say, well, the remedy to gender dysphoria is the so-called gender transition.

02:05:05.000 I just don't think that such a thing can be achieved.

02:05:08.000 I think you're born what you are.

02:05:10.000 You know, and people can make modifications.

02:05:12.000 They change the way they dress.

02:05:14.000 They modify their body with surgeries or hormones.

02:05:18.000 It just makes that person what they were with the modifications.

02:05:22.000 If they were a man, now you're a man with long hair.

02:05:25.000 You were a woman, now you're a woman with short hair and a mustache.

02:05:30.000 That's why almost all the time...

02:05:33.000 You can clock them. And there are some that are pretty good at hiding it.

02:05:36.000 There are some that are pretty deceptive.

02:05:39.000 But for the most part, the way we find it funny is because you see a 6'5 guy who's 400 pounds grabbing a guy by the collar of his jacket and saying, you do not film me!

02:05:50.000 If you saw that TikTok, it's like, okay, that's not very ladylike.

02:05:54.000 That guy did not become a woman, obviously. 1.00

02:05:58.000 It's a guy in a dress.

02:05:59.000 Yeah. I think we're born a gender.

02:06:02.000 I think gender is an essential, immutable, unchangeable part of who we are. 1.00

02:06:07.000 It's a self-deception when people say they've transformed.

02:06:10.000 I don't think that's possible. Let's start with Isaac.

02:06:15.000 Is transgenderism a mental illness?

02:06:18.000 I do think that a lot of people who, you know, become transgender, they are grappling with thoughts about, you know, the gender that they are and societal expectations.

02:06:28.000 But I feel like that's something that a lot of people go through, like, living up to societal expectations.

02:06:32.000 And just because they took an effort...

02:06:35.000 To feel comfortable in their own body does not mean they have a mental illness.

02:06:38.000 It's just part of the human condition, you know, wanting to feel good in your own skin.

02:06:44.000 So if you call transgenderism a mental illness, then you would have to call anybody else that decides to change something about themselves to feel better mentally ill. 0.98

02:06:53.000 And, you know, it's just not productive to, you know, call everyone you disagree with mentally ill. 0.98

02:06:58.000 Burnout, go ahead, and then I want to hear from heaven. 0.92

02:07:02.000 So... I believe that obviously this is an individual choice and the only person that should be speaking on it is the person who feels like they are who they are and if they want to transition that is their decision but I do have experiences with friends who have gone through that and they said that well they don't feel any different after they feel like They just cut their genitals off for no reason or added genitals for a reason and it really just has to do with society. 0.65

02:07:34.000 Because you can be whatever gender you want as long as you think about it.

02:07:38.000 Like, you don't actually have to have the parts.

02:07:40.000 If you want to be a dude, go be a dude.

02:07:43.000 It's all up to what you feel about yourself mentally and I don't think that it's a mental illness.

02:07:50.000 I think the repercussions and the way that society pushes on you to fit this cookie cutter Um, blueprint of what is defined as a woman and a man is really the problem there.

02:08:02.000 Not mental illness.

02:08:04.000 Okay, let me ask you a follow-up question, Burnout, before we go on to the next one.

02:08:07.000 Burnout, can a human become a dog?

02:08:10.000 God, what? That's, that's just crazy.

02:08:13.000 Be fair. That's a crazy question. I'm sorry.

02:08:14.000 I'm sorry, but be fair.

02:08:16.000 Then there's a human construct.

02:08:18.000 A dog and a human are completely different things.

02:08:20.000 Um, to answer that question, actually, think about furries.

02:08:26.000 Excuse me, this is Aiden speaking.

02:08:27.000 Can I become Black? Absolutely not.

02:08:30.000 You guys are basically, like, changing the subject.

02:08:33.000 Gender and race is not interchangeably.

02:08:35.000 Race and your physical self are non-human constructs. 0.98

02:08:38.000 Gender is. You can't become Black because Black is a physical trait that is inherent to you. 1.00

02:08:43.000 Gender. Gender? 0.74

02:08:45.000 Gender is physical, isn't it? 0.99

02:08:47.000 No, it's not. Sex is physical, but gender is not. 0.89

02:08:51.000 Wait, okay, so I have a question.

02:08:53.000 I'm generally just asking. 0.99

02:08:55.000 So the physical part of gender is a penis and a vagina, correct? 0.99

02:09:00.000 No, that's it. No, actually, no. 0.99

02:09:02.000 It's much more complicated and complex.

02:09:03.000 There's secondary sex characteristics.

02:09:06.000 Like when you see a person on the street, you're not seeing their genitals, but you're seeing things that we associate with one gender expression or the other, like breasts and hair and all those things are the ways that we identify people because we're not seeing people's genitals.

02:09:21.000 Okay, I have a question. Wait, Isaac, you did just say yes.

02:09:24.000 When I asked that, were you saying yes?

02:09:27.000 Did you agree with me? No, I was basically trying to say that's more complex than that.

02:09:32.000 Like, genitals are... 0.98

02:09:34.000 You don't see people in general, just like Jasmine said.

02:09:37.000 People identify, like, in passing, you see a woman, you see a man, but that's society speaking.

02:09:43.000 That's not something that is physical.

02:09:47.000 A woman is a very complex thing. 1.00

02:09:49.000 A man is a very complex thing.

02:09:51.000 Gender is different than sex. 0.99

02:09:53.000 Now, somebody could be born a sex.

02:09:55.000 That is physical. But gender itself, he, she, they, whatever, that is a human construct that has no basis with biology whatsoever.

02:10:07.000 No, Nick, go ahead and elaborate off of, if you believe in my argument, Nick, that if basically they're saying that if they could just switch their gender, then I can become black.

02:10:16.000 You can go off basically what you want to say, but they're basically just saying it's not a physical, gender's not physical.

02:10:22.000 Yeah, well, some days I feel black.

02:10:26.000 I'm going to put on blackface. 1.00

02:10:28.000 I'm going to curl my hair. 0.66

02:10:30.000 I'm going to start talking like this. 0.98

02:10:33.000 I'm going to start talking like a black person. 0.99

02:10:35.000 I'm going to sag my pants and stuff because it makes me feel comfortable in my body. 0.95

02:10:39.000 I woke up. I felt black.

02:10:41.000 Who is to tell me it's my body?

02:10:44.000 Society can't come and tell me what I'm going to do.

02:10:47.000 Who are you to judge?

02:10:50.000 Maybe race is biological on some level, but race is also a social construct.

02:10:56.000 What is black? Black people have brown skin. 0.72

02:10:58.000 What is blackness? It's our conception of what blackness is.

02:11:02.000 Who's to say I can't go out and modify my appearance to make myself more comfortable?

02:11:06.000 You'd be okay with that? Halloween, I'm going out as Richard Pryor.

02:11:10.000 Halloween, I'm going out as Barack Obama.

02:11:12.000 I'm going out as Barack Hussein Obama with the birth certificate and everything. 0.70

02:11:16.000 Point is, like, we can create arbitrary categories to separate them from biological reality. 0.99

02:11:22.000 We could say, well, no, no, penis and vagina is sex. 1.00

02:11:26.000 Man and woman is gender. 0.99

02:11:28.000 You're just creating an arbitrary category.

02:11:30.000 We all know gender and sex are the same thing.

02:11:33.000 Gender is an expression of sex.

02:11:35.000 Male and female are biological categories. 0.96

02:11:38.000 They want to introduce this other category.

02:11:40.000 And then when it's indefensible, say, well, it's really just about what makes them comfortable.

02:11:44.000 So are we debating whether people should be able to express themselves?

02:11:47.000 Are we debating, you know, whether there are men and women?

02:11:50.000 I think everybody knows there's men and women at this point.

02:11:53.000 If you want to, if you want to define...

02:11:55.000 Please, okay.

02:11:58.000 My parents, my mom was pregnant with me.

02:12:00.000 I could not pop out as a white person or a black person or a Mexican person.

02:12:05.000 That's, that was decided when... 1.00

02:12:09.000 They are both Asian and they had sex. 0.99

02:12:11.000 Wait, you're Asian? I am Asian. 0.99

02:12:15.000 Yes. And I want to say there are intersex people that exist.

02:12:18.000 There are people that have both.

02:12:20.000 And I want to say that...

02:12:24.000 Where was I going? But yeah, that was the main point that I wanted to get off like the...

02:12:28.000 That you can, like, transracialism? 0.58

02:12:31.000 That was from, like, Rachel Dozal.

02:12:35.000 There's, like, maybe four or five people that, like, really consider them transracial, and her family went out against her because she did not grow up around that area.

02:12:42.000 She grew up with a white family, a normal white family.

02:12:44.000 That was what she was, and she decided that she wanted to be transracial, but that's not really a thing.

02:12:49.000 That's throughout history. All throughout history, there have been trans people that have existed.

02:12:54.000 So that's just a newer thing that people are using now.

02:12:57.000 And same with, like, the being an animal.

02:12:59.000 Like, yeah, like, when my parents had sex and I was conceived, I can't come out as a dog. 0.87

02:13:06.000 So that's what I have to say. 0.95

02:13:07.000 Wait, but I have a question. So, you know, the...

02:13:11.000 What is the name?

02:13:13.000 The Jazz... 0.97

02:13:15.000 The boobs person. 1.00

02:13:18.000 She said that when we see someone walking down the street, we don't know that they have a penis and balls or they have a vagina. 1.00

02:13:26.000 It's a secondary expression. 1.00

02:13:28.000 Okay, I'll raise you one.

02:13:30.000 Let's say I get my eyes surgically modified.

02:13:33.000 I get my eyes sewn like this.

02:13:36.000 And I'm walking down the street.

02:13:37.000 And let's say I put some fine black hair.

02:13:40.000 I get a mustache like this.

02:13:42.000 And I say, you know, hello.

02:13:44.000 And somebody says, that guy's Asian.

02:13:46.000 That's an Asian man.

02:13:47.000 Are you going to say, well, you don't know.

02:13:49.000 My parents are both white.

02:13:51.000 My parents are both white.

02:13:52.000 Racism isn't essential.

02:13:54.000 Race, you don't know that I'm Chinese just because my eyes look like this and I have a fine black Fu Manchu mustache and I'm wearing a straw hat.

02:14:03.000 You don't know that. So again, it's like we all know these.

02:14:08.000 Once you start applying them to other categories, we all realize you actually can't change.

02:14:11.000 Just like you can't change your race, which is essential. 0.64

02:14:14.000 You can't change your species, which is essential.

02:14:16.000 You can't change your gender, which is essential. 1.00

02:14:19.000 But there's this argument, you know, we're going to create another category.

02:14:22.000 If you feel like a thing, you're the thing.

02:14:25.000 Yeah, that only works if you make the thing a new category.

02:14:28.000 I can stand in the garage.

02:14:30.000 It doesn't make me a car.

02:14:31.000 What if I say car?

02:14:32.000 What is a car? A car is transportation.

02:14:34.000 I could walk down the street and go like this.

02:14:37.000 I'm a car. It's like you're imitating a car, but you're not a car.

02:14:40.000 You're imitating a dog.

02:14:42.000 You're not a dog. You're imitating a black person. 1.00

02:14:44.000 You can imitate a woman. 1.00

02:14:46.000 You're not a woman. So it's imitation with word games in the middle. 1.00

02:14:51.000 Can I respond? Christine, go ahead and then burn out. 1.00

02:14:54.000 Hold on. Christine, quickly, and then burn out. 0.97

02:14:57.000 Go ahead. Because you said that being gay wasn't a choice. 0.99

02:15:00.000 So I wonder how the difference is being trans is a choice, but being gay isn't a choice.

02:15:06.000 Well, you know, it's a behavior.

02:15:08.000 It's a predisposition to a behavior.

02:15:11.000 So I think some people are predisposed to some things, some people are predisposed to other things, and that's unchangeable.

02:15:18.000 Burnout, go ahead. If you feel like you can make something up, why is it that you can make something up and it be true?

02:15:26.000 And if a thought that differs from what you think can't be true, like what makes you think that you're the right one, like you're saying everything that's so correct in the world, when there's live proof that differs?

02:15:39.000 Well, that's the point of the debate.

02:15:40.000 So we all disagree on the issue and then we come together and then we argue back and forth.

02:15:46.000 And then people can determine what's more convincing and then that's how we...

02:15:51.000 You don't have to mansplain what a debate is to me.

02:15:56.000 Well, you asked me.

02:15:58.000 You said, well, but, you know, what if people disagree?

02:16:01.000 It's like, well...

02:16:03.000 Women, do you think that this is facts. If you know that things are made up, you're saying that gender is made up. 1.00

02:16:08.000 If that was the case, then we wouldn't even have men and women. 0.98

02:16:11.000 We would just call each other chromosome X and chromosome Y. That's my point.

02:16:21.000 It's true. Because look, what we call male is the active, well, I mean, there's a lot of things you call male, but it's the active partner that fertilizes the egg with the X and Y chromosome with the penis and balls. 0.99

02:16:42.000 What transgender people are saying is, well, no, man is really—there's two levels of man. 0.80

02:16:48.000 There's the level of man which is a discrete reality, and then there's a level of man which we all imagine, and that's what we call man.

02:16:57.000 And, you know, man-ness is different from being a man.

02:17:00.000 And it's like, again, you can—again— We're good to go.

02:17:29.000 We can call it XY, we could call it male, we could call it man, we could call it all those things, but we're still describing the same reality. 0.66

02:17:40.000 What did you say, Isaac?

02:17:43.000 Yeah, can Jasmine talk? She's been raising her hand for a while. 0.94

02:17:45.000 Yeah, we'll finish with Jasmine and then we'll go on to the next topic.

02:17:48.000 Guys, we're going to have to go to the next topic, but Jasmine, go ahead.

02:17:51.000 Yeah, I was just gonna say, like, I'm not arguing, and I don't know if other people on the panel are, that a cis woman and a transgender woman are the same.

02:17:58.000 I don't think they're the same. But I think they would both be under the umbrella term of woman because when a person has the secondary sex characteristics and you see them as a woman, to say that they are the same thing as a man just doesn't make sense.

02:18:10.000 And the culture does matter. I'll even agree with you with race.

02:18:13.000 I know people from so many parts of the world, like my boyfriend was just in Africa and over here he's considered black.

02:18:19.000 Over there, he's too light, and he's considered not—he's considered—I forgot what he said it is.

02:18:24.000 But I'm Iranian.

02:18:26.000 Some people consider me a person of color, and some don't.

02:18:29.000 The culture that you live in also affects the way people perceive you, and that is part of the story.

02:18:37.000 Great. Do you have any close—is there anything to respond to here, Nick, or we can go to the next subject?

02:18:42.000 Yeah, I just—you know, the idea that, like, what makes a woman a woman— It's her biology. 1.00

02:18:48.000 You know, taking the reproductive faculty from a woman is to take the woman-ness from her. 1.00

02:18:54.000 I mean, what's a woman without the fact that she is a biological woman? 1.00

02:18:59.000 A mother has a vagina, uterus. 1.00

02:19:01.000 And, you know, of course, there are women that are born without those things, but I think everyone would agree that's one of those essential things.

02:19:06.000 Having long hair, not necessarily essential.

02:19:09.000 Wearing a dress, not necessarily essential.

02:19:12.000 We'd all agree that what makes a man a man and a woman a woman are those things.

02:19:15.000 You can't put them under the umbrella because they dress like them. 0.97

02:19:18.000 Just like, you know, same thing with a car.

02:19:19.000 If you have a red car in the garage...

02:19:22.000 Would you say that what makes a car a car is that it has a coat of red paint and windows or that it has an engine?

02:19:28.000 You know, it's like the engine is what makes the car the car.

02:19:30.000 It's a horseless carriage.

02:19:32.000 That's what a car is.

02:19:33.000 You take away that essential component is no longer that thing.

02:19:36.000 You know, you You could push rock in the garage, paint it red, put a piece of glass on it, put a radio in it.

02:19:42.000 It wouldn't make it a car because it lacks...

02:19:45.000 You say, well, they're both cars.

02:19:46.000 They're on the umbrella of car.

02:19:48.000 There's cars with engines, and then there's rocks that look like cars.

02:19:50.000 It's like, you know, but they're lacking those essential ingredients, and I think everyone knows that.

02:19:56.000 Great. Let's move on to the next subject.

02:19:58.000 I want to ask Nick.

02:19:59.000 Can white people say the N-word?

02:20:02.000 Yes. Well, yeah, obviously they can.

02:20:04.000 I say it all the time.

02:20:06.000 So... Gray, I want to start.

02:20:08.000 Isaac, you seem to disagree. Can white people say the N-word?

02:20:12.000 Anybody can do anything as long as it's not breaking the law. 0.91

02:20:16.000 So from a literal sense, yes, white people can say the N-word.

02:20:20.000 But I question the reasoning behind wanting to say that word.

02:20:25.000 Is it to feel powerful to take back control that we took back from y'all because of that word?

02:20:32.000 But... All those scenarios aside, a white person can say the n-word, but I don't think it's right to say the n-word.

02:20:44.000 Burnout, do you have anything? Should white people be able to say the n-word?

02:20:48.000 Being that, in a sense, they kind of invented it, but the history behind it breeds a huge understanding as to why you shouldn't say it.

02:21:01.000 I really don't understand why you would want to say it, other than to try to get a rise out of someone that it oppressed.

02:21:09.000 So you can say it, but why?

02:21:13.000 Why do you want to say it?

02:21:14.000 Me, personally, I don't think that you should.

02:21:17.000 If you are really a human being that wants to get over the hump of racism or wants to be progressive, I don't think that you should be doing that.

02:21:25.000 You're contradicting yourself.

02:21:27.000 I heard you. Christine, would it offend you if a white person said the N-word?

02:21:33.000 Listen, so there are people that'll say, oh, like, my Black friends, let me say the N-word, or I gotta pass. 0.94

02:21:39.000 Well, if you say that to the wrong crowd of people, you might get jumped, you might get killed, and things like that.

02:21:44.000 So, it's not...

02:21:45.000 I mean, I get called ching-chong, ling-ling.

02:21:48.000 It's not even on the same level, though, because of, like, the history behind the word, and Black people have got to reclaim that word for themselves.

02:21:54.000 I don't see why people having the desire to claim ching-chong, ling-ling, they just call each of you for that, so... 0.89

02:22:01.000 I just, yeah, it's like, yeah, white people can say it, but it's like, you might have black friends that co-opt that and love that for you, but if you go to, like, the wrong area of town or you go somewhere and you're willy-illy saying it, you could get beat up, killed, all that stuff, and so that's on the white person.

02:22:18.000 Heaven, do you agree? Do you think that white people should fear being killed or murdered if they say the N-word? 0.85

02:22:24.000 Yes, I think they should. 0.98

02:22:26.000 Not that extreme.

02:22:30.000 I feel like they should do that because it's a word that everyone else has said on this panel right now.

02:22:41.000 The history behind it.

02:22:42.000 Why would you want to say a word that was created by your people to oppress another minority? 0.79

02:22:49.000 I don't even know why somebody would want to say that.

02:22:52.000 It's classless. And it's just, yeah, it's just not a good word.

02:22:57.000 Cheyenne, let me ask you, should white people fear getting beat up or murdered if they say the N-word? 0.92

02:23:03.000 Yes. Do you have an argument or just anything else to add?

02:23:09.000 No, I am going to add. Obviously, they're going to say it.

02:23:16.000 But to say it to any other minority that is black, or just to say, oh, why do you wanna say it?

02:23:28.000 That's the reason. Someone gets you slow across the crosswalk.

02:23:33.000 Someone cuts you off in traffic.

02:23:36.000 Yeah, but... Someone throws a bag of Fritos out the window on the highway.

02:23:40.000 That's not really a reason.

02:23:44.000 No, I disagree.

02:23:46.000 I disagree. That is just a natural reaction to you saying something that is not deemed appropriate in society.

02:24:12.000 So yes, you can say that word, but be ready to face the consequences.

02:24:15.000 Yeah, I agree with him.

02:24:17.000 I don't think anyone should be beat up for saying the word.

02:24:20.000 I just think it's cringy.

02:24:21.000 But actually, fighting words are not constitutionally protected by the First Amendment.

02:24:25.000 We're getting into a little lawyer talk, but Chaplinsky is the case. 0.89

02:24:28.000 And back then, it was your goddamn racketeer was considered a fighting word, which meant that it was not protected speech. 0.54

02:24:35.000 So there hasn't been any cases recently on this, but technically fighting words are not protected speech. 0.93

02:24:40.000 And I wonder if in a context where someone uses that word, if it would fall under that doctrine.

02:24:45.000 I don't agree with that doctrine.

02:24:46.000 I don't think fighting words should be not protected personally, but that is what our laws are like right now.

02:24:54.000 Nick, before you respond, Jazz, do you think somebody could earn an N-word pass?

02:25:00.000 I just feel like, listen, I'm not for people not being able to say something or being able to say words based on their identities.

02:25:07.000 I'm not for that.

02:25:08.000 I just think it's cringy. 0.70

02:25:09.000 I've never seen a non-black person, especially a white person or someone that talks like me, where that word rolls off the tongue and doesn't sound just gross and cringy.

02:25:20.000 So, I mean, do I think anyone should get a pass?

02:25:23.000 I just think people, if they want to use it, use it.

02:25:25.000 And the way you're perceived by society is on you.

02:25:30.000 I think that when it comes to the N-word and other slurs, it's protected under free speech.

02:25:35.000 Like, a lot of conservatives like to say that, oh, I have the free speech to do this.

02:25:39.000 Yes, you do, but you also have, you know, to face the consequences.

02:25:43.000 So this isn't a matter of, like, should white people, can white people say the N-word?

02:25:47.000 Of course they can, but...

02:25:49.000 Do you still want to say that word knowing that your business will suffer, your social reputation will take a nosedive?

02:25:57.000 I don't think people should fear for their life for saying that, but if you want to say that word and consequences come to you, then that's just, you made your bet, so I'm not lying in it.

02:26:09.000 Go ahead, Christine. That Lily Gatiss girl that gained 1,000, 20,000 followers for saying the n-word on TikTok and she's getting paid by all these outlets to do interviews.

02:26:20.000 There are white people, yes, you use the n-word and you will get loved by people on that side and welcomed into the right wing and the conservative side of So that's why I think some people would want to do that because they want to be edgy and they want to monetize off of that because there are some people that agree with them and think that it's funny and that they'll do that.

02:26:41.000 Now she's getting hate by the same people she was appealing to so that never worked out for her.

02:26:45.000 Yeah, exactly. People calling her Jewish and things like that.

02:26:49.000 Go ahead. Continue showing yourselves.

02:26:51.000 I have no problem with that whatsoever.

02:26:52.000 Can I jump in here?

02:26:54.000 Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, you know, it is sort of crazy because, you know, this is a word that...

02:27:02.000 Let's just stop pretending.

02:27:04.000 It is considered the same in any context.

02:27:07.000 If someone utters the word, even if they mean no harm, even if it's not directed at a black person, even if it's not directed in a derogatory way, uttering the word – this is why we call it the N-word. 0.89

02:27:17.000 We can't even – in the context of this conversation and this proposition, should we say it, should we not say it?

02:27:24.000 We're not even allowed to utter the syllables.

02:27:26.000 Right. Because we all know we don't want that clip to go around because we get canceled.

02:27:30.000 And people on the panel say, if you say it, you should be struck down and killed or beat up some, not all. 0.93

02:27:36.000 And this is something a lot of people do believe. 0.98

02:27:38.000 You see videos on the internet where it's like, oh, this guy said the N-word, then this guy hit him with a skateboard and knocked him out.

02:27:43.000 That was awesome. He had it coming.

02:27:45.000 The only other... Entity that I can think of where to this day people say you should be killed if you offend them is God. 0.86

02:27:54.000 Like that, if you commit blasphemy in certain cultures, they'll kill you.

02:27:59.000 And that's on the same level today.

02:28:02.000 In the same way that Christians won't say GD, they won't say... 0.62

02:28:05.000 That, because it's blasphemy, it's a sin, you go to hell, you have to go to confession. 0.71

02:28:10.000 It's like that today with the N-word, which like children, we have to, like the F-word, oh I said the S-word, we still have to say the N-word. 0.79

02:28:19.000 And I think this speaks to the level of the whole country, as we all know, is walking around on eggshells, not to offend the black people. 0.76

02:28:29.000 We all know you can offend white people, Hispanics. 1.00

02:28:32.000 You can offend Asians. 1.00

02:28:33.000 You can heap discrimination and racism on Arabs, Muslims, even Jews on some level. 0.97

02:28:40.000 But we all know black people, careful what you say or else you'll be canceled. 0.69

02:28:44.000 If you're not in good standing, if you don't have the stamp of approval, you'll get shouted down. 0.99

02:28:49.000 And I think it's totally ridiculous. 0.70

02:28:51.000 So I totally oppose it. 0.91

02:28:53.000 I think that, you know, look.

02:28:56.000 It's a word, sticks and stones, break my bones, etc. 0.94

02:28:59.000 People get called retard. 0.90

02:29:01.000 People get called all kinds of other things.

02:29:03.000 People get called—people can say things that are even meaner, that are more personal.

02:29:07.000 But for some reason, blacks are this protected class. 0.81

02:29:10.000 You can't say their special word. 0.74

02:29:12.000 I think it's a total joke.

02:29:13.000 I think that if whites and blacks want to live together in harmony, there has to be a real mutual basis of equality.

02:29:20.000 Nobody's ever said that there's things off-limits you could say about white people. 0.97

02:29:24.000 Jamie Foxx can go on SNL and say, I play Django, I get to kill a lot of white people, which is pretty awesome. 0.99

02:29:30.000 You talk about killing white people on TV, that's fine. 1.00

02:29:33.000 You utter the syllables of a slur, suddenly you're a racist? 0.99

02:29:37.000 Like Michael, or what's his name, Kramer from Seinfeld? 0.92

02:29:41.000 It's totally insane.

02:29:42.000 It's gotta go. And by the way, that's for the benefit, I think, of both people in the whole country, both peoples, blacks and whites.

02:29:49.000 I think we should be able to say it.

02:29:51.000 And it's funny. I disagree.

02:29:53.000 Real quick, guys. This is Aiden speaking.

02:29:55.000 It was my birthday a year ago.

02:29:57.000 I was on stage with Chief Keef, and we were rapping together, Don't Like.

02:30:01.000 I asked Chief Keef on stage with him.

02:30:03.000 I said, can I say it? You sure?

02:30:05.000 You sure? He says, yes.

02:30:06.000 I ended up rapping the lyric, and I said the N-word.

02:30:08.000 Do you guys think there's anything wrong with that?

02:30:12.000 I think, like...

02:30:13.000 Do you want to go, man?

02:30:14.000 Go ahead. Okay.

02:30:16.000 Um... That is a very unlikely way of thinking that, oh, because it's in a song, it makes it okay.

02:30:23.000 Everybody likes to ignore the history.

02:30:25.000 That should be the first thing that should come to your mind when you think about the N-word and its origin.

02:30:33.000 It's just not like a light word.

02:30:35.000 We know that the N-word was made to oppress.

02:30:38.000 Us taking the N-word back was us reclaiming our power.

02:30:43.000 You were trying to say that you using the N-word as funny as you taking a whole population and their history and the abuse that you put them through and you classify them as a joke.

02:30:54.000 And then to sit there and be like, oh, it's going to breed equality if we can say it.

02:31:00.000 No, it won't. What's going to breed equality is you listening to Black people, hearing their preference when it comes to something that oppresses them, that have painted their history for years because of the actions of others, and take into account and respect that.

02:31:21.000 Because if we can respect, not to say cracker or offend any other race...

02:31:25.000 Burnout. You just said it.

02:31:27.000 Burnout. Real quick.

02:31:29.000 If everyone wants equality, shouldn't everyone be able to say any word they want?

02:31:34.000 Why are you trying to equate equality to saying words and not basic human things like the right to food, the right to home?

02:31:45.000 You're trying to make something fit where it does not have any prevalence.

02:31:52.000 I just had a question if you guys in here thought it was wrong for me after getting permission three times to rap on stage with Chief Keith.

02:32:03.000 I mean, Chief Keith doesn't speak for the entire community of Black people.

02:32:07.000 I'm glad you got to say it and you felt good, but he don't speak for me.

02:32:11.000 I love Chief Keith, but he don't speak for me or anybody I know.

02:32:15.000 Okay, so you guys do have an issue if white people rap along lyrics to songs?

02:32:24.000 If we're constantly telling you the history behind this, and you know the history because it's from your ancestors, why do you want to say it so well?

02:32:32.000 Yes, but you didn't go through that. You personally did not.

02:32:35.000 We are still recovering from the repercussions of that.

02:32:38.000 Okay, what about the Holocaust for Jews?

02:32:40.000 I'm just asking you a question.

02:32:42.000 I didn't go through the Holocaust.

02:32:43.000 I didn't personally go through the Holocaust.

02:32:45.000 But you can respect that the Holocaust was really devastating to Jewish people, right?

02:32:50.000 Yes. You can respect that.

02:32:52.000 Nick doesn't believe the Holocaust even happened, right? 0.70

02:32:55.000 Well, no, that was a whole different thing.

02:32:57.000 Forget that.

02:32:58.000 But Aiden, I feel like you're drawing a false image.

02:33:00.000 But if you can respect that a population of people have been oppressed for so long and went through something so traumatic, why is it so hard for you to be like, oh, OK, they did something.

02:33:09.000 Just for you to say a word.

02:33:11.000 I'm not trying to speak for any.

02:33:13.000 I'm Jewish, right? 0.97

02:33:14.000 And you guys are Black.

02:33:15.000 You guys went through slavery, went through the Holocaust, pretty much similar things.

02:33:18.000 So listen.

02:33:19.000 I wouldn't say that.

02:33:20.000 But go ahead.

02:33:21.000 I said similar.

02:33:23.000 I said similar. In many ways.

02:33:25.000 Okay? So my question is this.

02:33:26.000 If we want equality in the world, we shouldn't be able to be like, alright, this specific group of people cannot do this, but these people can.

02:33:33.000 If you want everyone to be equal, we all gotta be equal.

02:33:37.000 That's the thing. I'm not telling you what to do.

02:33:39.000 I'm asking for respect.

02:33:41.000 If I can respect your Jewish heritage and what you went through, why is it so hard for you to respect my heritage and what my people went through, even though I didn't go through it personally and you didn't go through the Holocaust personally?

02:33:53.000 I can respect that and not say anti-Semitic things to you just because it's in a song.

02:33:58.000 You don't hear people saying, oh, I can say this, that, other, because it's in a song.

02:34:03.000 You don't hear that. That's you wanting that privilege because you want to be aligned with something that you're not aligned with.

02:34:11.000 Good point. Like, for example, if in the song they said, like...

02:34:16.000 You know, Hitler nigger, that's the nigger that I like. 1.00

02:34:19.000 You know, you wouldn't like that if they said they liked Hitler on the song. 0.99

02:34:22.000 They would hate that. I would also add, Italians never called them the N-word.

02:34:26.000 We call them mulignans. 1.00

02:34:27.000 That means eggplant. We call them mulignans.

02:34:29.000 We call them shines because they shine.

02:34:31.000 We didn't call them the N-word.

02:34:32.000 And also, Italians were discriminated against, too.

02:34:35.000 Italians were lynched. 0.50

02:34:37.000 People were racist against Italians. 0.64

02:34:39.000 Italians never owned slaves.

02:34:40.000 Italians got here in the 19th century.

02:34:42.000 You're telling me I oppressed people?

02:34:44.000 I didn't impress anybody.

02:34:46.000 I didn't impress anybody.

02:34:47.000 What do you mean? We're talking about Mexico and you're bringing up Italian people for what?

02:34:54.000 For what? You basically talk about us being triggered over words, but I feel like a lot of conservatives get triggered just as easily.

02:35:02.000 If we call you guys horribles.

02:35:04.000 I'm not talking specifically you, but I remember you guys boycotting people because they called Trump supporters deplorables, or you'll boycott another company because they said this thing, they said that.

02:35:15.000 So I think that both people, like everyone has the free right under the Constitution to boycott and the free market take place whenever someone does something or says something that the country does not approve of.

02:35:27.000 So I think it's very hypocritical that you're saying, oh, black people don't let me say this, when you guys will be quick to boycott us if we said something y'all didn't like.

02:35:36.000 That's literally just how society works, and there's nothing wrong about it. 0.76

02:35:41.000 Yeah, I'm just arguing people should be able to say it.

02:35:43.000 I agree. I mean, people can react how they want, but I'd also add- But you're saying, oh, good, they're canceling us.

02:35:49.000 Do you not think that people should be canceled for saying the N-word?

02:35:51.000 Yes or no?

02:35:52.000 No, absolutely not.

02:35:54.000 Then you're against the free market then.

02:35:56.000 So you're basically contradicting your point.

02:35:58.000 I don't think there's anything morally wrong with saying a word.

02:36:03.000 I think if a person has demonstrated that they hate another race, I think that's wrong.

02:36:14.000 As a Catholic, I think that's wrong.

02:36:16.000 But saying a word in any context, like Aiden said, you could say it as part of a song, and I may not be a little edgy, whatever, I may joke about it, but saying a word in the context of a song is obviously harmless.

02:36:28.000 You're singing the song, you say the words in a song, you like the artist, you say the word in the song.

02:36:33.000 But we've seen legitimately people get shut down because on TikTok, when they do the lip syncing, they do this when they do the N word.

02:36:41.000 They say, when the N word comes up, they do this.

02:36:43.000 Because it's like even lip, not even saying it, but lip syncing it as part of a song, people consider so immoral that they'll get contracts taken and everything like that.

02:36:52.000 I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with uttering a word, even if you might find it offensive.

02:36:56.000 And, you know, again, context is everything.

02:36:58.000 If someone is using it in a super derogatory way because they hate black people or something like that, I think that is different than people that say it when they're discussing it, people that say it in a song.

02:37:10.000 It is a term of endearment among the black people.

02:37:12.000 Same is true of other slurs. 1.00

02:37:14.000 Gay people call each other faggots. 1.00

02:37:15.000 Women call each other bitches. 1.00

02:37:17.000 I'm sure retards call each other retards or something. 1.00

02:37:20.000 You know... That's just society. 0.98

02:37:22.000 What's really going on with the N-word is it's more about this social station that blacks occupy. 0.94

02:37:29.000 And you can sit there and say, well, I don't think they should be beat up.

02:37:32.000 But just like Chief Keefe doesn't speak for all black people, you don't either. 0.69

02:37:36.000 A lot of black people take that as a sign. 1.00

02:37:38.000 I can kill. I can punch. 1.00

02:37:40.000 I can maim somebody. 1.00

02:37:42.000 I think that's wrong. I want to ask you a question, Isaac, before you go, to include more people.

02:37:48.000 Heaven, you said earlier that people should expect to be beat up or murdered if they say the word.

02:37:52.000 Is it the same repercussions that they say the soft A versus the hard R? You know, um, me personally, I just feel like they shouldn't say it at all.

02:38:03.000 Um, I was raised a little different.

02:38:05.000 As a Black person, like, yeah, I can say it, but my family didn't let me say it.

02:38:10.000 I feel like it's, I really do feel like it's just, like, classless and tasteless to say.

02:38:16.000 Um, I feel like if you want to say that word, like everybody else has said on the panel, like, just expect whatever that happened, happen, you know?

02:38:25.000 Um, My stance is still the same.

02:38:28.000 I don't think anybody should say it.

02:38:30.000 But is it equal if Nick said the soft A versus the hard R? Is it the same level of offensive?

02:38:36.000 Yes. Okay, Isaac, go ahead.

02:38:39.000 Yeah, I just think that...

02:38:42.000 I agree with the statement that people should be able to say whatever they want.

02:38:47.000 What I have a problem with is that Nick Fuentes seems to be of the opinion that whenever they face consequences for saying something that's socially unacceptable, that that's wrong.

02:38:56.000 People practice their free speech and boycotting or calling somebody out or, you know, getting fired or, you know, something bad happening to them that isn't against the law.

02:39:06.000 That is perfectly fine.

02:39:08.000 So you can say the N-word all you want, but do not be surprised when you face societal repercussion for that.

02:39:13.000 That's just how the world works.

02:39:15.000 Burnout, can I ask you, is it the same level of offensive if a white person said the soft A versus the hard R? I definitely take more offense to the hard R, but if you want to use the A, I'm just going to look at you like,

02:39:31.000 you know, you're not a person that would deem of like, you know, Viable character like I'm not you're not really somebody out of respect just off of the strength of that I wouldn't look at you twice I wouldn't consider you like as a person like I wouldn't really give you much I just would be like oh and move on because it doesn't really deserve attention when people who know the history behind it want to say it Still,

02:40:00.000 even on that, in the proximity of Black people, it's either out of wanting to be down or wanting to get a rise. 0.76

02:40:07.000 And in any type of situation, you're going to get neither from me.

02:40:12.000 I don't really care to integrate myself into that type of relationship with anyone, especially if we've spoken about it, if you know where I stand and you still choose to do it.

02:40:26.000 So... Okay, it sounds like any closing thoughts on this subject?

02:40:34.000 I think people are going to do what they want.

02:40:36.000 Like I said, there's going to be people like Lily Gatiss and stuff that are going to make platforms and money and off of it because they have that community of people that think that it's funny and edgy and that have the right to do so.

02:40:46.000 Same with like, I do see like the R word is like going back.

02:40:50.000 Like I see it all the time in my TL. I don't agree with it.

02:40:52.000 I don't like saying it, but it's something that is being normalized again.

02:40:56.000 And I think that's just something that we're just going to keep seeing evolve in that aspect.

02:41:00.000 There's going to be people that still aren't okay with it.

02:41:02.000 There are going to be some people that think that it's okay.

02:41:03.000 There's going to be some people that will think that they can give a pass, and it's just what it is.

02:41:10.000 Okay, I think we can move on to the next subject.

02:41:12.000 Do you want to ask Nick if there's...

02:41:13.000 No, I don't think Nick has it. We pretty much hit this.

02:41:15.000 Nick, do you have anything? Yeah, no, I think we've kind of been over it.

02:41:19.000 Okay, we have one more subject.

02:41:22.000 It's actually a great one.

02:41:24.000 It's a two-parter, so...

02:41:26.000 I want everyone to go in order.

02:41:27.000 Would you say you're happy in life right now?

02:41:29.000 And then the second point of the question is, do you believe that depression is real?

02:41:35.000 Let's start with Nick. Yeah, I'm happy.

02:41:39.000 I'm pretty content.

02:41:41.000 I think that, you know, you have to love life as it is.

02:41:46.000 I don't believe in this...

02:41:48.000 When people say happy, they mean they want to feel good all the time.

02:41:51.000 I think it's really more about loving life when it's, you know, whatever it gives you, whether it's temporary fleeting happiness or the other stuff.

02:41:59.000 You have to love all of it. So I would say I'm happy.

02:42:02.000 As far as depression is concerned, I definitely think it's real.

02:42:06.000 The question is how prevalent is it?

02:42:08.000 I think that... People say they're depressed.

02:42:12.000 I think they have a lot of other problems.

02:42:14.000 I think they're socially dislocated.

02:42:16.000 I think maybe they're feeling grief, lonely.

02:42:18.000 I think a lot of things are called depression.

02:42:20.000 It's kind of just become synonymous with chronic negative emotion.

02:42:25.000 But I don't know. People treat it like a mental illness.

02:42:27.000 I think it's real.

02:42:29.000 Mental illness would say nothing's causing it.

02:42:32.000 I think the grief and loneliness...

02:42:34.000 Chronic negative feelings that people have, especially now, I think there's a very real reason for it.

02:42:40.000 And I think that, you know, if their lives were different, they wouldn't be depressed.

02:42:44.000 Now, if depression were a real illness, that wouldn't be the case.

02:42:47.000 And I think depression is real, but I think it's far more rare than it's diagnosed.

02:42:53.000 Who wants to respond first?

02:42:55.000 Anyone? I'll say I'm happy.

02:42:59.000 I'm happy. I think happiness is a choice and I think gratitude has to do a lot with it.

02:43:05.000 Depression is real and I think it wasn't as common before things like social media or like The wealth gap and things of that nature.

02:43:20.000 I don't think it was that prevalent but I did think it existed.

02:43:24.000 I think it's real but it's more so a mental state because it's just feeling more so that you are hopeless and that's a feeling but some people get stuck in that feeling and that's when depression develops and I feel like maybe I want to say that It's solvable by just practicing gratitude, but that is more personal to me rather than I can't just apply that to everybody.

02:43:55.000 I should go ahead.

02:43:57.000 Yeah, I would say I agree with Nick.

02:43:59.000 I think I'm content.

02:44:01.000 I do think a lot of people are chasing a fleeting sense of, like, spark.

02:44:05.000 And whenever it dies down a little bit, they start to think, oh, like, life is not worth it or anything.

02:44:10.000 But I think you do need to appreciate even the little things about life.

02:44:15.000 As for depression, I do think that depression is real.

02:44:18.000 But it is, like...

02:44:20.000 There are two sides to it.

02:44:22.000 There's environmental aspects where somebody loses their job, they're in a tough financial situation, that can lead them to being depressed.

02:44:29.000 And then there are a lot of other people who have everything going for them.

02:44:33.000 They are depressed, but we don't know why.

02:44:37.000 And I do believe that a lot of people get falsely...

02:44:41.000 Diagnosed with depression. Sometimes it's temporary, like situational.

02:44:44.000 Sometimes it's just sadness.

02:44:46.000 But depression as a whole, it is real.

02:44:48.000 But whether it's environmentally based or something that's inherent to that specific person, that's up for debate.

02:44:59.000 Do we have a point of contention, everybody?

02:45:01.000 Christine, go ahead. Oh, yeah, I was on the same page as everyone.

02:45:05.000 I just think that being content is more important because there are Are people that kind of seek more and more to be happy or need more and more to be happy, whether it's money or like they're seeking fame or whatever it is.

02:45:17.000 But there are definitely people that have That it can be genetic, that people within their family have suffered through psychiatric episodes and several mental illnesses.

02:45:27.000 And it is up to the individual, of course, to whether they self-medicate.

02:45:31.000 But there's other people that cope with it, not through medication, but by drinking or in unhealthy ways or by going to the gym.

02:45:38.000 People are like, just go to the gym. You'll feel better.

02:45:44.000 I would say that, yeah, I agree with the kind of sentiment everyone has shared.

02:45:49.000 I do think that depression does have a genetic and environmental component.

02:45:53.000 We do know that people can have genetic predispositions to it, which proves that there is some type of genetic component to it.

02:45:58.000 But I do think a lot of it is environmental.

02:46:00.000 And when we're seeing rates rise really high like they are right now, It can very well be attributed to lack of community, lack of personal relationships.

02:46:09.000 There's a really good book by Johan Hari called Lost Connections that really goes into this, being socioeconomically depressed or being not able to support yourself, not finding meaning in your job.

02:46:19.000 All of these things can affect you getting depressed, right?

02:46:23.000 And there's obviously an epigenetic component and all of that.

02:46:25.000 So it's not super easy.

02:46:27.000 There's a lot of nuance to it.

02:46:29.000 But yeah, I wouldn't make it a black and white thing, but I do think it obviously exists.

02:46:35.000 Also, I have to go.

02:46:37.000 So, yeah, this started a little later and I had plans that I can't cancel.

02:46:42.000 So, if I could exit gracefully, I'd appreciate it.

02:46:48.000 Likewise, I think I have to go as well.

02:46:50.000 Great, yeah, we're going to ask for closing statements here, if anything.

02:46:52.000 Nick, do you have a closing statement?

02:46:53.000 Do you guys have the same opinions or did you learn anything?

02:46:58.000 Closing thoughts.

02:47:00.000 Wait, we got ahead of heaven and...

02:47:05.000 You have it in Cheyenne.

02:47:06.000 Do you have anything? You've been pretty quiet.

02:47:10.000 Yeah, I was. You said goodbye.

02:47:13.000 Okay. Guys, I'm aware.

02:47:15.000 Hold on a second. Everyone, we're going to basically, we're just going to say final words to close this thing off.

02:47:22.000 Appreciate everyone's time and all you guys were awesome.

02:47:25.000 You guys just want to say like something that you guys have learned or something that you highly want to emphasize on your closing statement.

02:47:31.000 Go ahead. We'll start with you for now.

02:47:32.000 Go ahead. I just want to say thank you for letting me express my thoughts.

02:47:39.000 I respect everybody's disposition or their right to have the disposition because I don't agree with everything.

02:47:49.000 And I don't know, just thank you for giving me a space to express thoughts that differ from what you usually become.

02:47:56.000 For sure. All right. Nick, do you have anything to say to her?

02:48:01.000 No, I'll address the whole group, but yeah, thanks for joining the panel.

02:48:05.000 Thank you for having me. I hope you have a good night and think about what happened here.

02:48:12.000 You too. Burnout, can you give Nick the effort before you leave?

02:48:19.000 Absolutely fucking not. 0.98

02:48:21.000 Come on. Isaac, can you give Nick the effort before you leave? 0.97

02:48:24.000 Can you give Nick one N-word pass?

02:48:27.000 No, you tried it.

02:48:30.000 Next time.

02:48:34.000 Heaven, do you give Nick the N-word pass?

02:48:40.000 No, I do not.

02:48:44.000 I know Isaac's going to give it to me.

02:48:46.000 He's already so good. I will say that.

02:48:49.000 I will say that. I guess I'll have to say it illegally.

02:48:55.000 No pass. I'm going in with no pass.

02:48:59.000 Don't kill me. I mean, you already did it. 0.99

02:49:02.000 We already said it.

02:49:04.000 You don't need a pass. You already said it.

02:49:07.000 You asked for permission for it.

02:49:08.000 You already did it. Yeah, thank you for having us on.

02:49:12.000 I think, Nick, you're really good at verbalizing your thoughts.

02:49:17.000 I disagree with it, you know, a lot.

02:49:20.000 But, you know, I could see why you have such a large following.

02:49:23.000 But I do think a lot of your arguments were weak.

02:49:27.000 You lacked evidence, but you were good at saying it.

02:49:30.000 So I'll give you that. Thanks.

02:49:32.000 I appreciate you being a good sport.

02:49:35.000 Thank you. Oh, I was telling my sister about it.

02:49:37.000 She was like, oh yeah, people like that should have a platform. 1.00

02:49:39.000 But like you said, you already do have a platform.

02:49:42.000 So yeah, I do appreciate that we were able to keep it respectful.

02:49:46.000 I don't think it got too heated or anything like that.

02:49:48.000 And yeah, we agree on some things. 0.66

02:49:51.000 So, you know, like the pro-Palestine and then also on the depression is real and that gay. 1.00

02:49:56.000 So yeah, it was very interesting.

02:49:59.000 Thank you. Thank you guys. Yeah, thank you.

02:50:03.000 Have a good night, everybody.

02:50:06.000 Thank you, guys. All right, Nick.

02:50:08.000 Hang out here real quick, Nick.

02:50:10.000 All right, so long, guys. Thank you.

02:50:12.000 Bye. Bye. All right, Nick.

02:50:13.000 We're going to just put our camera on.

02:50:15.000 One second. Sweet.

02:50:17.000 Chat. Go on, chat. Go on, chat.

02:50:20.000 Let me see you guys do a...

02:50:22.000 WRL. We're the feminists annihilated. 1.00

02:50:27.000 Yeah, that was, uh, we had to change some of the questions during the conversation because it was pretty clear that they didn't really know what they were talking about.

02:50:34.000 So we made it more like juvenile and simple.

02:50:37.000 I think like starting off with Kamala Trump was kind of, it was not the right idea.

02:50:40.000 So I tried to make it more comedic towards the end.

02:50:43.000 It's, they didn't really have much.

02:50:45.000 Most of the time they just said, I feel like, and like, yeah, they should vote, but they didn't present any arguments.

02:50:49.000 And even they got offended.

02:50:51.000 There wasn't, there wasn't much going on from that.

02:50:53.000 I was, I was disappointed with the, with the panel.

02:50:55.000 How did you feel?

02:50:56.000 I thought it was fun.

02:50:58.000 I mean, they were good sports about it, but I don't think in fairness, I don't think they were debaters, you know, like Dean, too, even though he's crying and everything and, you know, he's right up with me.

02:51:08.000 Me and him are two N word sayers. 0.97

02:51:10.000 We're unpermitted N word sayers, undocumented N word users. 0.99

02:51:15.000 You know, at least he's like a debate, bro.

02:51:17.000 This is what he does.

02:51:19.000 He's in his element to his credit.

02:51:21.000 You know, these girls, they came, they shared their opinions.

02:51:25.000 And it's like Isaac said, I do this for a living.

02:51:27.000 I express my opinion for a living.

02:51:29.000 I think it was more casual for them.

02:51:32.000 But, you know, I appreciated coming on.

02:51:33.000 I thought it was a good conversation.

02:51:35.000 And it's good to flesh out the topics.

02:51:38.000 I think they... Represent what everybody thinks about the issues.

02:51:42.000 I think in that way it was balanced.

02:51:44.000 I represent kind of the opposite view.

02:51:46.000 And I'm really not trying to score slam dunks and say, oh, well, I got you in my trap.

02:51:52.000 I'm trying to get people think about a totally different way of thinking in the sense that, you know, you could see so much of the talk is, well, everyone should vote.

02:52:00.000 Everyone... Everyone has rights.

02:52:02.000 Women have rights. Everybody has these unexamined assumptions about how the world is and how it should be. 1.00

02:52:08.000 And the job is less to say, oh, hey, Republicans are right.

02:52:12.000 Vote Republican. It's more about maybe we need to examine our fundamental assumptions about the world and these liberal views we all have about the world.

02:52:20.000 That's what I tried to do.

02:52:21.000 I thought they were very fair.

02:52:24.000 They were all good sports.

02:52:25.000 None of them were personal.

02:52:26.000 None of them got offended. To their credit.

02:52:29.000 So I thought it was a good debate.

02:52:30.000 I thought it was fun. I think you were expecting that, and so was I. I was expecting it to get a little dirty.

02:52:35.000 I think you started that way, like saying, oh, let's get a man on to fix the mic and all this.

02:52:39.000 And then you realized that it was pretty, you know, that this was just a conversation to get them thinking that was the more important strategy.

02:52:45.000 When did you realize to shift your debate strategy?

02:52:49.000 Well, you know, towards the end, it was kind of like, it was slowing down a little, so I was like, we gotta just get some content in there.

02:52:58.000 It's so cheap, but it's like, I'll say the N-word.

02:53:00.000 I know we're all expecting it.

02:53:02.000 I know that's what everybody wants to see. 0.99

02:53:03.000 I was like, I'll fucking do it. 0.99

02:53:04.000 I'll fucking do it again. I'll say it and I'll throw, you know, the other guy in there. 0.99

02:53:09.000 So I was like, yeah, we got to do it for the content.

02:53:12.000 It can't all just be like wholesome chungus. 0.97

02:53:15.000 You know, Mike turned to talk.

02:53:16.000 We got, you know, we had to throw some.

02:53:18.000 None of them took the bait.

02:53:20.000 I'm a little disappointed. I threw out Moulinan.

02:53:22.000 I threw out Shine. I was thinking someone's going to take the bait.

02:53:25.000 They were all pretty disciplined to their credit.

02:53:27.000 I tried to. I shifted the questions to get more debate because in the beginning it was too rhetorical and just everybody speaking like a classroom.

02:53:34.000 So I changed the questions to be more provocative and none of them really got...

02:53:38.000 Angry. I mean, at one point, you said the word faggot, and the Asian girl just closed her eyes and turned off her camera for a bit. 0.98

02:53:43.000 But that was it. Isaac seemed like he was swinging a bit, but he seemed to agree with some of the stuff. 0.98

02:53:50.000 Where we see an overlap is a lot of the leftists agree with the pro-Palestine stuff.

02:53:53.000 You're not really pro-Palestine, you're more anti-Israel.

02:53:56.000 But there's not that much contention, because they have to concede when it comes to Christianity, because they can see that...

02:54:02.000 Your morality comes to Christianity. 0.96

02:54:03.000 They don't want to argue that. And their morality is subjective.

02:54:06.000 So it kind of just reached a point where there's not much to disagree about.

02:54:10.000 Yeah, I mean, they're just—the thing is, the women aren't—they're not like gladiators. 1.00

02:54:15.000 When you do a debate, you need gladiators that are going to go in and, you know, freak out.

02:54:19.000 And to my point about feminism, they were all so agreeable, it wasn't—it was hardly even contentious. 0.99

02:54:26.000 It was civil, and it was barely contentious.

02:54:29.000 They were just kind of expressing disagreement, but like you said, not really making, like, a confrontational argument.

02:54:36.000 Yeah. So, it is what it was.

02:54:38.000 The questions were good. The questions, you were throwing up these, like, curveballs or softballs, I should say, to kind of get it going, but they were too nice.

02:54:48.000 So, and I'm too nice.

02:54:49.000 Everybody expects me. I think it's also because I'm handsome.

02:54:52.000 I'm handsome. I have Riz and I come in and, you know, if I was like Charlie Kirk and I was like little human being...

02:54:58.000 You know, maybe then it'd be easier for them to get angry, but when I come in, I'm like, hey, what's up, guys?

02:55:03.000 They're like, we can't hate this guy.

02:55:05.000 This is a nice guy.

02:55:07.000 Even when I'm saying the N-word, they're like, oh, you.

02:55:10.000 Oh, stop. You're being bad.

02:55:12.000 Don't say the N-word, you know?

02:55:14.000 I'm like... So, that helps.

02:55:16.000 Nick, I can just say, you know, you did great.

02:55:18.000 I was a little underwhelmed as well. 1.00

02:55:20.000 I thought that people were going to come to more shit. 0.99

02:55:22.000 But Nick, I really do want to get you that girl. 0.99

02:55:24.000 I want to try to convince her. I believe there's Noemi or something like that.

02:55:28.000 You know, I offered her $20,000.

02:55:30.000 She still said no. She's just thinking that it's not going to do good.

02:55:33.000 There's not going to be good out of it.

02:55:35.000 I'm like, look, come on and try to change people's opinions.

02:55:37.000 If you're so confident that you can, in some way, change people's opinions that watch, come do it.

02:55:42.000 And you get $20,000.

02:55:44.000 So I'm really trying to get somebody like that on here.

02:55:48.000 Also, maybe even Parker or...

02:55:52.000 Someone like that. I want to get you some, you know, Parker's the guy feeding Dean information in his ear.

02:55:57.000 I want to get you somebody.

02:55:58.000 I want to get you somebody who actually can hold their own ground and at least come with something.

02:56:01.000 He doesn't know the lore. He brought up Destiny when our mics were muted and I had to tell him about the fresh and fit debate and the whole lore and how many times, like, when he got unbanned on Twitter, the Twitter space, it's like it's been done.

02:56:11.000 That debate's happened a hundred times over the past couple years, so we want something new.

02:56:15.000 So open an invite to challengers and let's get it a little spicier next time. 1.00

02:56:19.000 I mean, Nick, I'm trying, man.

02:56:20.000 A lot of people are running away, man. 0.99

02:56:21.000 They don't want to fucking talk to you, bro. 0.99

02:56:23.000 I know! I've been trying for- I'm calling out the conservatives, too. 0.99

02:56:27.000 None of them want to do it.

02:56:29.000 So, yeah, I hear you, man.

02:56:31.000 That's my struggle, if you will.

02:56:34.000 Sort of like my struggle.

02:56:36.000 It's very difficult. Everyone watching, it's true.

02:56:38.000 We've hit up so many people.

02:56:40.000 Nobody wants to talk to him.

02:56:41.000 Nobody wants to do it. Everyone's running away.

02:56:43.000 They're like, well, I don't know about that one.

02:56:45.000 I got to check with my manager.

02:56:47.000 It's like nobody wants to just do it.

02:56:49.000 So that's why I do respect Dean, because at least he came on, and at least you and I actually had a great debate, in my opinion.

02:56:57.000 So I'm trying, man.

02:56:58.000 And look, I'm going to keep trying, but we'll figure it out.

02:57:01.000 I want to see Nick against conservatives.

02:57:02.000 Aiden was saying liberals, but Nick really wants to debate conservatives.

02:57:07.000 Give me three. Give me three conservatives.

02:57:09.000 Charlie Kirk, Ben Shapiro, Candace.

02:57:12.000 Tommy Robinson. Give me Tommy Robinson.

02:57:15.000 He's been calling me out.

02:57:16.000 He's not going to do it. He ran from Dan Bilzerian.

02:57:18.000 Dan Bilzerian's not even a debater.

02:57:20.000 I'll call him out anyway.

02:57:22.000 But him, Andrew Klavan, I'd debate him.

02:57:25.000 Dennis Prager, any of these guys.

02:57:27.000 They don't want to do it.

02:57:29.000 I'm trying, man. It's tough.

02:57:31.000 It's very tough. It's tougher than it looks.

02:57:33.000 I mean, you would think that people would be down, but it's just so hard because people, they're not wanting to do it with you, man.

02:57:41.000 True. I mean sanctioned.

02:57:43.000 They're boycotting, divesting, and sanctioning me. 0.95

02:57:46.000 It's sort of hypocritical. 0.93

02:57:47.000 It's a little hypocritical, but yeah. 0.71

02:57:50.000 No, but it was fun. I mean, we just got to find a worthy—we got to find the Clash of the Titans, the Royal Rumble.

02:57:55.000 We need, like, the WrestleMania main event.

02:57:58.000 We need the belt. We need the ring belt.

02:57:59.000 We need ladders. You know, this was baby, baby match.

02:58:04.000 This was like a regular— I don't even know.

02:58:07.000 It's like a WWE Divas match. 1.00

02:58:09.000 The best anyone's been done, though.

02:58:10.000 It has been many times. A million times, yeah.

02:58:13.000 All right. I would love to get you Hassan. 1.00

02:58:15.000 He would never do it, though. He did it five years ago.

02:58:18.000 I would debate Hassan.

02:58:19.000 Well, what'd you think about the Keith Daniel debate?

02:58:23.000 It was good. Yeah, that was a good debate.

02:58:28.000 But, you know, Daniel represents kind of like a unique position.

02:58:31.000 He's like a third-worldist, like Muslim or something. 1.00

02:58:34.000 But, yeah, I thought Keith handled that easily.

02:58:39.000 W. Keith Woods. But, yeah, I don't know.

02:58:42.000 It's tough because I am super controversial and But I'd like to debate a conservative.

02:58:47.000 So if there's any conservatives, like mid-level conservatives, independent enough to do it, I'd debate any of them.

02:58:54.000 Trying to get it, man. It's tough.

02:58:55.000 It's really, really tough. Well, what about the E-Day?

02:58:58.000 We could definitely do that.

02:58:59.000 I'll get you some good girls. 1.00

02:59:01.000 We'll get you some good girls to go on an E-Day with you. 1.00

02:59:03.000 That'd be fun. Not like that OnlyFans mud shark. 0.96

02:59:06.000 I mean, what the hell was that? She had her boobs hanging out the whole time. 1.00

02:59:09.000 Were those hickeys or veins? 0.78

02:59:11.000 I couldn't tell what those bruises were.

02:59:13.000 If there was milk coming out, if you had hickeys all over. 0.99

02:59:16.000 But yeah, as soon as she started plugging the OF, I'm like, we should just kick her out. 1.00

02:59:20.000 That was crazy. Everybody loves you, Nick.

02:59:23.000 You wouldn't believe how many texts I'm getting.

02:59:25.000 I love this guy, Nick. Nick's great.

02:59:26.000 This guy's fucking amazing. It's an honor, man, to really talk to you, man. 0.97

02:59:29.000 I know, look, like I said, man, you and I, you know, people of my, you know, race, nationality might have issues with you, but I like you.

02:59:35.000 I really do. I think you're a very solid guy.

02:59:38.000 You're a very solid individual. I really agree with a lot of the stuff you say, and it's great.

02:59:42.000 You know, Nick, thank you again. 0.95

02:59:44.000 I'm glad that you and I can come together and, you know, make some cool dope shit happen, bro.

02:59:48.000 It's awesome. Likewise, man. 0.78

02:59:50.000 I love your stream. You're a good guy.

02:59:51.000 You got a good heart. And I don't care what anybody says.

02:59:54.000 You're one of the good ones. It promotes mutual understanding.

02:59:57.000 We're all American. That's what we want to promote.

02:59:59.000 We love our country.

03:00:01.000 We love God. We love each other.

03:00:03.000 That's the message. I see your Groypers. 1.00

03:00:05.000 I like their Groypers, by the way.

03:00:06.000 The AR Lowell's and the Groypers like each other. 0.99

03:00:08.000 They're kind of similar in many ways.

03:00:10.000 But I see them, and they're saying, you know what?

03:00:12.000 Aiden does seem good. And then somebody replies, always.

03:00:15.000 They're like, just wait.

03:00:16.000 Just wait. He's going to turn.

03:00:19.000 I want to just clear by saying that not all Jews are bad.

03:00:21.000 My brother Sneeko here is Jewish.

03:00:23.000 I'm not Jewish. True. You are. 0.99

03:00:25.000 By definition, I'm not Jewish.

03:00:27.000 I will never turn on you, Nick Fuentes.

03:00:29.000 I will never turn on you either.

03:00:31.000 I appreciate you. You're good.

03:00:33.000 That's what it's about. We got to be good people, you know?

03:00:36.000 So no hate, no discrimination.

03:00:38.000 It's all love.

03:00:39.000 Love speech. Love speech community, right?

03:00:41.000 Love speech, of course.

03:00:43.000 Well, look, Nick, I hope you have a great rest of your night.

03:00:46.000 You let me know. Well, I'll coordinate with you when we want to do this E-Day or, again, if any conservatives, liberals, if anybody wants to challenge, come up and debate Nick.

03:00:54.000 Let's do it. Everyone, come on, he's down to anyone.

03:00:58.000 You know, and the thing about Nick, I could vouch.

03:01:00.000 Again, it could be like one hour before the debate.

03:01:02.000 You're just ready to go. I really, that is crazy.

03:01:06.000 Crazy. Yeah, bring it on, man.

03:01:08.000 But yeah, I appreciate you having me on.

03:01:09.000 Thanks for a fun night. Great stream.

03:01:11.000 You guys are the goats of Kik. 0.93

03:01:13.000 W Kik. Oh yeah, Sneeko now too. 0.95

03:01:16.000 For sure. Thank you, Nick.

03:01:18.000 Have a good night. Nick, do you see what Eddie said about the last conversation?

03:01:22.000 The CEO of Kik said something.

03:01:24.000 Yeah, I did. Yeah, and I appreciated him saying that.

03:01:27.000 You know, I'm not trying to get you guys on trouble.

03:01:29.000 Even in this debate tonight, I was trying to be respectful of the expectations on kick and trying to be appropriate.

03:01:37.000 The thing is, as long as the rules are clear and articulated, I'm willing to follow any rules.

03:01:44.000 The problem with social media, as always, is they don't even tell you what they ban for.

03:01:48.000 It's totally convoluted.

03:01:49.000 So, you know, I appreciate him and I just want to know I respect the platform.

03:01:52.000 I'm not trying to be a punk and get everybody in trouble.

03:01:56.000 I am who I am.

03:01:57.000 I like to bring the content, but I'm trying to keep it respectful of the platform and not bring down the hammer on you guys because you know how it is with cancel culture.

03:02:06.000 So I appreciate it.

03:02:07.000 I'm saying that 100 percent.

03:02:09.000 Hey, chat, let's get Nick on kick. 0.91

03:02:13.000 My first kick stream coming up.

03:02:15.000 Thank you all.

03:02:16.000 Wait, really? Yeah, maybe I'll do one.

03:02:18.000 I gotta get my username, though.

03:02:20.000 Could you get me my username?

03:02:21.000 And then I'd do one for sure.

03:02:23.000 100% I'll get your username.

03:02:24.000 Sweet. Yeah, then I'll do it.

03:02:26.000 We'll do a big, I'll do a kick stream.

03:02:27.000 I'll stream here every night. Wow.

03:02:30.000 Holy shit. Okay, let me get you that name and let me get you that verification. 0.99

03:02:34.000 Sweet. All right, let's do it.

03:02:36.000 Yeah, I'd love to come on kick. 0.98

03:02:38.000 Sounds good, man. All right.

03:02:39.000 We'll be in touch. Thank you.

03:02:41.000 All right. Thanks, guys.

03:02:42.000 Take it easy. All right.

03:02:43.000 Bye. All right.

03:02:46.000 Well, there you have it.

03:02:49.000 There's the big debate.

03:02:50.000 What did you guys think? Did I win?

03:02:52.000 One's in the chat if I totally won.

03:02:54.000 Two's in the chat if I got crushed.

03:02:56.000 If I got totally crushed on by the milkers. 0.99

03:03:00.000 One, if I totally annihilated all feminists. 1.00

03:03:02.000 They have all been utterly destroyed. 0.97

03:03:04.000 There is no piece of them left.

03:03:06.000 Two, if them crushed under the weight of the milkers.

03:03:11.000 Flattened like a pancake.

03:03:13.000 Steamrolled by milkers.

03:03:15.000 Backed up on and...

03:03:19.000 Caved in by two giant jugs of milk.

03:03:22.000 Thoughts? It's all ones.

03:03:24.000 Look, that wasn't even like a real debate.

03:03:27.000 It was basically a conversation.

03:03:29.000 I mean, they weren't even really disagreeing.

03:03:32.000 And the arguments, I don't know.

03:03:34.000 But, I mean, they're good people.

03:03:35.000 They're nice people. It's hard for me to really go in for the kill because it's like, these are just regular liberals.

03:03:42.000 These aren't like debaters.

03:03:43.000 They're not activists. Yeah.

03:03:45.000 I'm not going to go for the jugular and cut there.

03:03:48.000 You don't know what you're talking about.

03:03:49.000 Those aren't arguments. It's overkill.

03:03:52.000 So I'm trying to just walk them through the thought process.

03:03:56.000 Hey, this is how we view these things.

03:03:58.000 Because, believe it or not, although, again, these are not professional debaters, How they responded to those questions, as you know, is like how most people think.

03:04:11.000 We talk about women having the right to vote. 0.97

03:04:14.000 Most people have never even thought about it.

03:04:16.000 They just say, well, everyone should have a right to vote.

03:04:19.000 We're here. Everyone should have the right.

03:04:21.000 And it's like, okay, well, it wasn't like that always.

03:04:25.000 Why do we vote?

03:04:26.000 Who should be voting?

03:04:27.000 Where do we draw the lines?

03:04:29.000 So I'm really trying to just get...

03:04:31.000 I'm not really looking for like, you don't have the facts!

03:04:34.000 Ha ha! You know, you sprung my trap.

03:04:36.000 You look like an idiot. 1.00

03:04:37.000 I'm more trying to walk people through, let's reconsider... 1.00

03:04:42.000 Some of these liberal assumptions, you know, even like with the gay adoption, it's like, well, if they want to adopt, they should be able to.

03:04:48.000 It's like, okay, what about an alcoholic?

03:04:50.000 Well, that's different.

03:04:52.000 It's like, okay, but in principle, you understand how it's similar.

03:04:56.000 So... You know, so it left a little bit to be desired.

03:05:01.000 It wasn't hot.

03:05:02.000 It wasn't spicy. It wasn't—no sparks were flying.

03:05:07.000 And, you know, sometimes I question how helpful it is to even debate people that don't have a huge background.

03:05:15.000 Because then you're really just kind of doing the 101— You know, but that's okay.

03:05:22.000 So it was a fun debate.

03:05:23.000 I thought it was good, but it wasn't the bloodbath.

03:05:26.000 It was sort of just like a gentle execution.

03:05:28.000 Sort of like a gentle euthanasia.

03:05:31.000 Sort of like, we're going to make you comfortable.

03:05:34.000 We're going to hold your hand.

03:05:36.000 You know, and then we're going to inject the...

03:05:39.000 Lethal injection argument.

03:05:41.000 We're going to put you up in hospice.

03:05:43.000 All right, hey, you comfortable?

03:05:44.000 We're going to put flowers around you, make you feel good.

03:05:48.000 It's time to go. It wasn't like a total brutal battle, people getting their throats slit, blood gushing out, people exploding, people's limbs flying everywhere, people getting thrown off of buildings, blowing up when they hit the floor, blowing up when they hit the cement, people getting shot in the head, head explodes. In terms of rhetoric, it wasn't like that at all.

03:06:07.000 And that's kind of what I thought it was.

03:06:10.000 I was thinking it's going to be like Dead Rising 2, dismemberment and gore is on, realistic gore is on, eyeballs being plucked, skinned face cut right off, face and scalp cut right off, clean cut, people getting cut in half vertically and then falling apart like that.

03:06:28.000 I thought it was going to be like that.

03:06:30.000 Sore, mostly blades, some high-caliber projectiles, but it wasn't that.

03:06:37.000 It was like a gentle execution.

03:06:39.000 Gentle execution. It was the last meal.

03:06:42.000 Here's your collard greens and chicken.

03:06:44.000 Any last words? I didn't do nothing wrong.

03:06:47.000 All right. Cronk, pull the lever.

03:06:50.000 It was more like that.

03:06:52.000 So I don't know if that makes...

03:06:54.000 It's not as compelling...

03:06:56.000 And I try to throw the bait out there.

03:06:59.000 I'm trying to get him going.

03:07:00.000 I'm like, well, Trump's not racist, but he should be.

03:07:03.000 No reaction. I'm like, Hitler, nigga. 1.00

03:07:07.000 No reaction. We call him Mullen, Yons, and Shines. 1.00

03:07:10.000 No reaction. I don't even know.

03:07:11.000 These are kids. They don't even know what that means, you know?

03:07:15.000 So, but it's okay.

03:07:17.000 But it was still fun. Hey, it was still a good debate.

03:07:19.000 The highlights. We got to get the highlights up on X. Some good monologues.

03:07:23.000 Some good bits. I liked Isaac.

03:07:27.000 Isaac is a good sport.

03:07:29.000 See, that's a perfect example a guy I totally disagree with, but he seems like a cool guy.

03:07:34.000 I have no problem with him.

03:07:36.000 Totally disagree, but respectful, understands it's a debate, you know?

03:07:43.000 So I liked Isaac a lot.

03:07:45.000 They were all fine.

03:07:46.000 Christine was funny, cute.

03:07:49.000 How did she get a... 0.99

03:07:50.000 How did they know?

03:07:51.000 They got my weakness. A cute Asian... 1.00

03:07:55.000 They got a cute Asian on the panel to be totally fucking red-pilled. 1.00

03:07:59.000 She goes up and she's like, well, I'm not voting for Kamala because fuck Israel. 1.00

03:08:02.000 She was like Mogbar, the little Satan. 1.00

03:08:05.000 I was like, okay, what's going on here?

03:08:08.000 All right. I thought the E-date was next week.

03:08:11.000 I'm sorry. I thought the E-date was the following week.

03:08:14.000 Are you trying to be appealing to me or what?

03:08:17.000 But anyway... So she was fun. 1.00

03:08:21.000 The lawyer was funny.

03:08:24.000 She goes, well, fighting words aren't legally protected.

03:08:28.000 That's a little lawyer talk. 0.98

03:08:30.000 It's like, get the fuck out of here with that. 0.99

03:08:33.000 Oh, yes. That was super technical. 0.89

03:08:35.000 That went right over everyone's head.

03:08:37.000 Fighting words aren't covered by the first...

03:08:40.000 It's a little legalese. Oh, yeah.

03:08:42.000 Super complex legalese.

03:08:44.000 Stop with the jargon.

03:08:46.000 Whoa, whoa. Slow it down. 0.81

03:08:47.000 I don't understand. Sheesh.

03:08:51.000 And what's with the tits hanging out? 1.00

03:08:53.000 Come on now. Put a fucking burka on, dude. 1.00

03:08:56.000 This is why we gotta put all women in burkas. 1.00

03:08:58.000 Why we gotta put y'all back in chains, Joe Biden style. 0.55

03:09:03.000 They're irresponsible with it.

03:09:04.000 It's why we gotta put y'all back in chains. 1.00

03:09:07.000 They show up to the debate with their boobs hanging out. 1.00

03:09:11.000 And then she turns out to be My black boyfriend. 0.99

03:09:16.000 Oh, surprise, surprise. 0.96

03:09:20.000 Shocker of the night, bombshell of the evening.

03:09:22.000 Wait, what? The OnlyFans girl with the giant tits hanging out during the debate has a black boyfriend? 1.00

03:09:30.000 What? I didn't know that. 1.00

03:09:35.000 You're telling me for the first time.

03:09:37.000 I didn't know that.

03:09:38.000 You're telling me for the first time.

03:09:42.000 I don't know what I said!

03:09:44.000 You know, okay. Yeah, big shocker.

03:09:48.000 It is what it is, right?

03:09:50.000 It is what it is, but...

03:09:52.000 That's always how it goes, isn't it?

03:09:55.000 They can have her, you know. 1.00

03:09:58.000 They can have her.

03:10:01.000 But anyway, so that was a good debate.

03:10:03.000 Aiden Ross, can we get a W in the chat?

03:10:05.000 07s and a W in the chat for Aiden Ross...

03:10:09.000 This is a good dude.

03:10:10.000 I don't care what anybody says. 0.98

03:10:12.000 I'm sure he's getting a lot of shit behind the scenes for having me on. 0.98

03:10:15.000 Look, people like me. I'm a likable guy, but I'm super controversial for political reasons. 0.98

03:10:20.000 He's getting a lot of shit for doing this, I'm sure. 0.92

03:10:23.000 It takes a lot of integrity to say, you know what? 0.99

03:10:26.000 I like him. Believe it or not, that's brave.

03:10:29.000 I'm sure he's got a lot of people saying, you're Jewish, you can't like him.

03:10:32.000 You're Jewish, you can't talk to him. 1.00

03:10:35.000 And I get it. People say the same thing to me when I hang out with Sneeko because he's a Muslim or when I hang out with whoever.

03:10:44.000 So, major W's, major props to Aiden Ross.

03:10:47.000 Good dude. We don't agree on everything.

03:10:51.000 I think we agree on a lot, though.

03:10:53.000 But I think what we agree on most is we're a couple of guys.

03:10:57.000 We like the content. We like to talk.

03:10:59.000 We like to increase understanding.

03:11:01.000 I think we've known each other for a couple of years now.

03:11:04.000 He knows I'm not a hateful guy.

03:11:07.000 I know he's a decent guy.

03:11:09.000 So, major props to him.

03:11:11.000 And by the way, major W to Sneeko.

03:11:13.000 We gotta give Sneeko some credit.

03:11:15.000 Sneeko's been working on these people, you know?

03:11:18.000 If it wasn't for Sneeko, Myron would still be calling me a fad.

03:11:22.000 You know, me and Myron didn't get along for a while.

03:11:25.000 Sneeko got me on Fresh and Fit.

03:11:27.000 Nico, I think he's been putting in a good word with Aiden Ross, and that takes a lot of courage too. 1.00

03:11:33.000 He could have said, fuck this guy. 0.98

03:11:34.000 You know, Nick Fuentes is nothing but trouble, but he's really stood by my side and been a really good friend. 1.00

03:11:40.000 And, you know, I know a lot of people in my community give him shit. 0.99

03:11:43.000 We don't agree on everything. 0.99

03:11:45.000 But he's been a good friend and very supportive and honest and honest in his dealings and loyal.

03:11:51.000 He is Muslim.

03:11:52.000 You can't fault him for that.

03:11:54.000 He's searching for the truth.

03:11:55.000 He's searching. We think he hasn't found it yet.

03:11:58.000 But, you know, God bless him that he's trying.

03:12:00.000 You know, he's trying to be pious.

03:12:02.000 He's trying to be a religious man.

03:12:04.000 So God bless him.

03:12:05.000 So this is friend.

03:12:07.000 We're getting friendship.

03:12:08.000 A Jew, a Muslim, and a Catholic.

03:12:10.000 We're all problematic. 0.98

03:12:11.000 We're all canceled.

03:12:13.000 People cancel Aiden. People cancel Sneeko.

03:12:15.000 They cancel me. A Jew, a Muslim, and a Catholic walk into a live stream and they are the best friends that they ever had.

03:12:24.000 A Jew, a Muslim, and a Catholic walk into the live stream and they laughed and they had a great time and they're all best friends.

03:12:35.000 Because we all love America.

03:12:37.000 We all love God.

03:12:39.000 And we're trying to do the right thing.

03:12:41.000 So, God bless them.

03:12:42.000 We love Aiden. We love Sneeko.

03:12:44.000 Thank you for giving me the platform.

03:12:46.000 We appreciate them putting the debate together.

03:12:48.000 A lot of fun. I'm going to wrap it up here.

03:12:52.000 If you send Super Chats, I'm going to read them tomorrow.

03:12:55.000 I've been live for like hours.

03:12:57.000 I haven't eaten anything all day.

03:13:00.000 I can't. If I read a Super Chat tonight...

03:13:04.000 I'm going to commit suicide. 0.99

03:13:05.000 Like, you don't understand. If I have to read Super Chats tonight, I'm going to kill myself. 1.00

03:13:14.000 So I'm not... I can't do that.

03:13:16.000 I can't subject... This is my weekend.

03:13:18.000 It's my day off.

03:13:19.000 I did the debate. I'm not reading.

03:13:21.000 You're going to make me go Dean Withers.

03:13:23.000 I'm going to be on the stream.

03:13:24.000 Hey y'all, haven't eaten in three days.

03:13:26.000 That's me. If you make me read super chats, I'm going Dean Withers.

03:13:30.000 I'm going to shed a tear. Hey y'all, my mental health is really fucked up right now. 0.99

03:13:36.000 Everyone's super chatting me, calling me fat, talking about the Yankees. 0.99

03:13:41.000 I'm going to shed a single tear, the tear of the goofy goober. 0.77

03:13:46.000 So no super chats tonight. 0.92

03:13:48.000 That's a joke about killing myself.

03:13:49.000 I'm not suicidal. That's a joke.

03:13:52.000 Clip that...

03:13:53.000 Okay, they can't fake my suicide and then say, I'm kidding.

03:13:58.000 I am kidding. But if I had to read super chats, I would go on a Dean Withers-style hunger strike.

03:14:04.000 No food. My mental health is really messed up, y'all.

03:14:08.000 I'm gonna be honest. Should I even be live streaming, y'all?

03:14:11.000 It's gonna be me. That guy's so fun.

03:14:15.000 We gotta get him on our side.

03:14:17.000 We gotta get him on our...

03:14:19.000 He was on our side. 0.94

03:14:20.000 He was saying nigga. He was supporting Andrew Tate.

03:14:24.000 Somewhere along the way, woman turned him into a giant pussy. 1.00

03:14:31.000 We gotta bring him back to our side. 1.00

03:14:33.000 We gotta take... Parker's white knight, we gotta bring him down to our level.

03:14:38.000 We gotta take libtards white knight, we gotta bring him down to our level. 1.00

03:14:43.000 Isn't it such a shame that all the blonde-haired, blue-eyed white people are cucking out like that? 1.00

03:14:50.000 People say to me, you're Mexican. 1.00

03:14:52.000 Go back to Mexico. 1.00

03:14:54.000 Your parents are illegal. 1.00

03:14:55.000 Go eat a burrito. You know, people say that kind of stuff to me. 0.97

03:14:58.000 It's like, I'm sorry.

03:15:00.000 I'm waiting for the Aryan to save us. 1.00

03:15:02.000 I am waiting. Waiting for Jesse McCartney or, you know, Justin Bieber.

03:15:09.000 Where's the Aryan? 1.00

03:15:12.000 Where is it? What is this?

03:15:15.000 Some kind of Mexican squad?

03:15:17.000 I'm all you got. What is this?

03:15:20.000 Some kind of Hispanic squad?

03:15:21.000 You got Mexicans, Albanians, Haitians, Jews. 0.77

03:15:27.000 This is who you got.

03:15:29.000 The Irish.

03:15:30.000 This is who you got.

03:15:35.000 All the white people are voting for Kamala Harris.

03:15:38.000 And not even because they hate Israel. 0.99

03:15:41.000 They're voting for Kamala because they want gay people to get married. 1.00

03:15:44.000 And to abort their own kids. 1.00

03:15:47.000 Anyway, so that's going to be the debate for me.

03:15:51.000 I think people are saying call Zerka.

03:15:53.000 Look, I got to schedule a call with Zerka.

03:15:55.000 I told them, hey, let's do any time, any weekday, like before 6.

03:16:01.000 They didn't get back to me.

03:16:02.000 So I'll schedule it with Zerka later.

03:16:03.000 I got to go, okay?

03:16:05.000 I gotta eat something.

03:16:07.000 So I'm gonna wrap up the stream.

03:16:09.000 Remember, I do a show every night.

03:16:11.000 If you're just joining me for the debate, I do a show every night, Monday through Friday at 8 o'clock Central Time.

03:16:17.000 It's called America First.

03:16:19.000 I'll be live again tomorrow, 8 o'clock Central.

03:16:22.000 So tune in, smash the follow button, leave a comment, leave a like on the video.

03:16:26.000 I do a monologue every...

03:16:28.000 If you watch that debate and you're like, I'm kind of tired of hearing black people say, like, um, um.

03:16:34.000 If you're tired of that and you just want to hear the good parts, I do a monologue every weekday, 8 o'clock on Rumble, right here.

03:16:42.000 Tune in tomorrow. I'll be back.

03:16:44.000 Subscribe. It's a good show.

03:16:47.000 But yeah, that's really all I got for you.

03:16:51.000 We're going to wrap it up.

03:16:53.000 Great debate!

03:16:55.000 Well, mid-debate, but good stream.

03:16:58.000 Thanks to Aiden Ross.

03:16:59.000 Thanks, Nico. We appreciate the guys that kick.

03:17:02.000 Maybe I'll do my first stream there next week.

03:17:05.000 What if I did my first stream there next week?

03:17:07.000 Maybe I'll do gaming.

03:17:09.000 If I do a kick stream, I'm not going to do politics.

03:17:12.000 I don't want to step on their toes.

03:17:13.000 I don't want to get them in trouble.

03:17:15.000 If I do a stream on kick, I'm going to keep it PG. We're going to do Minecraft.

03:17:21.000 We'll do a video game.

03:17:22.000 We'll do something. Commentary stream.

03:17:25.000 We'll do something different. We'll switch it up.

03:17:27.000 Maybe we'll bring on a guest.

03:17:29.000 So if they can hook me up with my channel, I'll do kick.

03:17:33.000 But yeah, I think that's all of it, okay?

03:17:36.000 That's it. Thanks, guys.

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America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - October 14, 2024

Nick Fuentes ANNIHILATES FIVE FEMINISTS | Ft. Adin Ross & Sneako

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