In this episode of America First, Nicholas J. Fuentes and Aiden Ross and Sneeko recap the SJW meme wars of 2016, and talk about the return of Trigglypuff to the internet. Also, the Goyper War will continue, and we will accelerate and intensify our plans to make it hurt as much as possible, if he wants to stop the pain, he must stop the betrayal of America first. Also, it's back on Kick it on Rumble, and it's going to be a good night! Lock in if you're in the live chat, if you re watching on Rumble: Say What's Up? or in the chat, do we have any legends in the stream? Let's see if we can make it an awesome stream. Happy Sunday, everybody! -Nick - PS: I'm hyped to be here. I wasn't going to stream it on my channel, but I decided that I would because it'll be good for my channel so make sure to follow me here on Rumble and Smash the Like button and subscribe to Smash the like button. I'll be back on Rumble on Tuesday. - Nick Nicky : Nicky's back with a new show, America First! . This is my return to form, and I'm going to do a recap of the 2016 SJW Meme Wars of 2016. I'm back in my old form. I talk about how the left sucks, and how the establishment is totally corrupted, and why they don't get a chance to have a platform like TikTok. . . . and why the internet is a weak platform. :D - Nicky is back in the good old days of the internet, so they're going to get a platform that doesn't give him a platform to do what he needs to do. , and why he's getting a platform he deserves it. -- Nicky s back on the airwaves, so he's back in a good ol' day, and he's not going to give him the chance to do it right, right? -- I'm not gonna do it, he's gonna get it, yay! -- Also, I'll see you soon! , Nicky will be back with more of the old days, yeehaw! :) -- , will be on Monday, November 5th, 2020.
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00:08:33.000And we have to draw a negative inference.
00:08:36.000The negative inference is that she wasn't smart enough to win the debate.
00:08:41.000If you don't show up, if you're going to be a boss bitch doing TikToks and alien costumes, and he can't show up against a Groyper general, we have to draw the negative inference.
00:22:41.000I'm a Crisis Line Specialist for Domestic Violence Crisis Line, and I make music as well.
00:22:46.000But I kind of want to be on here because I think a lot of people's ideas of feminism is like, you know, the Taylor Swift white feminism or the women that wear pink pussy hats, and I just want to say, like, we're not all like that, you know?
00:23:26.000There's somebody with their camera off. If you guys can just please try to keep it on because it's going to ruin the layout of the streams for me and Nick.
00:23:32.000But I appreciate that. Thank you guys.
00:28:25.000I think it'd be better to go free-flowing to start, and then after 10 minutes or so, then we can switch to more in order.
00:28:31.000But because we're just starting, we're figuring everyone out, let's keep it free-flowing.
00:28:36.000And then if it's too many interruptions, then we'll have to step in.
00:28:38.000But let's do 10 minutes free-flowing, and then see how that goes in there, and then adjust with more time.
00:28:43.000I think to be easier, just raise your hand if you want to speak, and kind of whoever raised their hand after Nick does his little statement, you guys can go off like that.
00:28:50.000It's just much easier so you guys don't talk to each other.
00:28:52.000Yeah, yeah. So Nick, go ahead and start it off.
00:28:54.000Trump versus Kamala. Nick, I already know how you feel about that, but obviously, who would you prefer, Nick, between the two?
00:30:35.000And regime change in foreign countries.
00:30:37.000Those are the three pillars of what he called in 2016 globalism.
00:30:41.000And these are all policies that enrich the elite of the country while they impoverish and injure the people of the country.
00:30:48.000And so for that reason, I'm defending, broadly speaking, Trump and his movement insofar as he is defending national sovereignty and reversing and dismantling globalism.
00:32:33.000I don't feel like he's qualified to be president.
00:32:37.000Kamala, however, she is qualified to be president.
00:32:41.000I know she's been a part of some controversial topics and policies.
00:32:50.000However, I feel like If we're basing the things that she's done, not basing, but if we're talking about things that she's done versus Trump, I would say she's the lesser evil in this conversation.
00:33:13.000Yeah, so they're both pro-Israel and obviously pro-Palestine, so neither are ideal, but I truly feel like There's no such thing as somebody that can be a good president, but obviously I choose Kamala.
00:33:27.000Trump, I don't know, he made a statement talking about if he wins, we'll never have to vote again.
00:33:33.000That just sounds kind of terrifying to me.
00:33:35.000Is he just going to be North Korea here or something?
00:33:39.000But yeah, and then also the stuff with Project 2025 seems kind of terrifying.
00:33:45.000But yeah, I know we have to keep pushing, so that's what I have to say.
00:33:51.000Isaac? Yeah, so I agree with what the previous people said.
00:33:58.000I do think Kamala Harris does have a shady history, and I am pro-Palestine as well, and I do not support sending money and ammunition to Israel.
00:34:07.000However, I'm not a single-issue voter, and we live in a two-party system, so we have to make do with the cards we're dealt.
00:34:14.000And Since a third party candidate has no chance of winning, we have to make two binary choices and I'm going to go with Kamala Harris because she is the lesser of two evils and I also think Donald Trump is the most dangerous president in modern history.
00:37:03.000Trump is in favor of mass immigration.
00:37:06.000Trump changed his policy in June and said that he wants to staple green cards to the diplomas of every foreign student that comes to America, whether it's a two year, four year, graduate degree, doesn't matter.
00:37:18.000All those green cards are coming from non white countries are coming from Pakistan. They're coming from India. They're coming from China.
00:37:24.000If you are truly a racist and you and the thing that you know, people that are race conscious or white identitarian, what they deeply care about is the racial makeup of the country.
00:37:34.000You know, the most stark thing that is going on in the history of the United States right now is that the country was 90 percent white and within 10 years, it's going to be 50 percent white.
00:37:45.000That is a massive change with significant effects. Whether you think it's good, bad, neutral.
00:37:51.000It's a huge change and it's happening all over the world.
00:37:54.000And where does Trump stand on that issue?
00:37:57.000He is supporting the demographic transition, supporting a less white America. So, you know, in that sense, I would also say, I mean, look at the people he surrounds himself with.
00:38:07.000Tim Scott from South Carolina, among others. If you looked at the RNC the first day, it was like all black men.
00:38:40.000I went to Mar-a-Lago with Kanye West a couple years ago, and Trump was nothing but nice, still has not disavowed him to this day.
00:38:50.000If anything, stood by him even though he was canceled and said he's a good guy but misunderstood, but he has a good heart, which is how I see him.
00:38:58.000So I think that there's not a racist bone in his body.
00:39:01.000Although sometimes I wish he was even a little bit more race conscious than he is.
00:39:04.000So that's what I would say. That sounds great.
00:40:18.000Does it mean you believe that race is a determinative factor?
00:40:21.000Or do you think that, you know, like left-wing people do, I imagine you do, based on what you're saying, that race is, you know, one of these categories that's used to oppress people.
00:40:39.000People disagree about what racism means, absolutely.
00:40:43.000Okay, universally, I would say racism.
00:40:48.000Is the institutionalized practice of putting a marginalized people down and keeping them down.
00:40:58.000Whether it's thoughts, whether it's speech, whether it's being rejected from a job because of how you look, your skin color.
00:41:08.000So anything that has to do with your skin color and you being rejected or dejected or Objectified or subjectified is the definition of racism to me.
00:41:19.000And I think that from multiple studies and just living real life, a lot of people will agree with that.
00:41:26.000So it's just it's not as light as you're trying to make it seem.
00:41:52.000Anyone. Look how he talks about Kamala.
00:41:54.000Look how he talks about the African-American community.
00:42:01.000It's not from a place of understanding or relation.
00:42:06.000It's an outside observation from generalized views that are just stereotypical, really, because have you seen him really be in close contact with anyone who is actually someone who is a clear representation of being an African-American person or a person of another race, where he can sit down and they'll be like, Cool and not have any type of controversy.
00:42:32.000Yeah, yeah. Ben Carson was in his cabinet.
00:42:35.000Tim Scott was being considered for VP. Listen to me.
00:43:08.000And I do believe Trump is a racist because he had a civil case, you know, back in the day because he refused to rent to Black people in his properties.
00:43:17.000You know, he called for the execution of the Central Park Five.
00:43:24.000These are things that have been around for years, well-documented cases of racism.
00:43:28.000So I think the reason you're saying he's not racist is because you have a clear misunderstanding of what racism is, but your opinion is not shared by most of the world, especially people who face racism.
00:43:42.000A lot of conservatives like to talk about white racism.
00:43:46.000So wouldn't you agree that white people are discriminated against because they're white?
00:44:22.000You're making the case that it's very clear cut and there's no ambiguity, but clearly there's disagreement on this panel between you and burnout even.
00:44:32.000Prejudice would be the word you're looking for, not racism.
00:44:44.000That's where somebody sees another person of another race and they, you know, subconsciously do not like them.
00:44:50.000And there's institutional or systemic racism where there are foundations in place to keep people of color down.
00:44:57.000I think you're looking at it from a very narrow-minded lens, but I could experience, like, I could show individual racism towards you, a white person.
00:45:05.000However, I can't show any institutional racism towards you because I'm not in that position of power to do that to you.
00:45:12.000You understand? Well, that's the, you know, like I said, I think you're more arguing whether there's an objective definition.
00:45:34.000Let's just agree on what we're talking about.
00:45:37.000You know, so your argument is Trump is discriminating on people on the basis of race, as in the case of Central Park Five and the birther conspiracy.
00:45:47.000Is that right? Yeah. That would be correct, yes.
00:45:50.000Okay, so, well, I mean, my pushback would be, you know, having met the man, and again, just seeing him with black people, would somebody that has racial hatred or discriminates or prejudice against black people appoint black people in his cabinet, pass the First Step Act, commute the sentences of many black felons who had a peaceful drug charge?
00:46:14.000Anne secured the release of LeVar Ball, Kodak Black.
00:46:17.000I think there was one other rapper in Norway or Sweden who was released from prison.
00:46:23.000I mean, so I think when you put all that together, I don't think someone who is like a white supremacist would be interested in any of that.
00:49:02.000Based on what he says and does, does not appear to be a racialist, does not appear to be a racist.
00:49:07.000But don't you think... A president has a duty to be president for all Americans, so of course he's going to be diplomatic when it comes to race, but I don't think that's a reflection of how he feels inside.
00:49:16.000The same way you're saying we can't go off of, you know, because we don't know how he's feeling inside.
00:49:20.000You don't know how he's feeling inside either.
00:49:22.000So I do go by actions, and he has many racist actions in the past, but just because he wasn't, you know, he was...
00:49:29.000Trying to get to the people of color's votes during his presidency.
00:49:33.000That's what a president is supposed to do.
00:49:35.000They're conditioned to reach out to as many people as possible.
00:49:38.000That doesn't mean he's not racist just because he's doing something that politicians are really good at doing.
00:49:43.000Reaching out to people. That's my two cents.
00:50:13.000And I would just say, you know, with regard to Trump altogether, I also don't even think it really matters that much.
00:50:22.000I mean, because if we're saying for the sake of argument, let's say he is just putting on this big display and big show, you say, well, that's his job to be diplomatic.
00:50:54.000I mean, there's questions about Ted Cruz.
00:50:56.000He raised the same issue about Ted Cruz because he was born in Canada and wasn't born on the Ted Cruz, I mean, he's Cuban, but by all appearances, he's white.
00:51:05.000Does that make Trump a racist against Cubans?
00:52:42.000Well, but above all else, I think that women, we have to look at voting as a position of governance.
00:52:48.000If you're casting a vote, you're determining who should be in the government.
00:52:51.000In the government. And I don't think that women should be in the business of government at all.
00:52:58.000And I think, honestly, very few people should vote altogether.
00:53:01.000I think that it's not just exclusive to women.
00:53:04.000I think that people that have only been in the country for a generation or two shouldn't vote.
00:53:08.000I think people that are indigent shouldn't vote.
00:53:10.000I think that young people shouldn't vote.
00:53:12.000I think probably people that don't own anything shouldn't vote.
00:53:14.000And I think we should get back to a system where a vote is cast really as a representation.
00:53:20.000I think the vote should be cast by the head of a household.
00:53:24.000I think that if a woman gets married, her political expression is represented in the vote of her husband, in the vote of the head of the household.
00:53:32.000I don't think that it's women's position to be in leadership over men, over society.
00:53:38.000And I think that it's completely outside their domain.
00:53:42.000So I don't think they should vote at all.
00:53:54.000I just want to ask a question to lead you to a point.
00:53:58.000Being in the state of where we are in this country, knowing that nothing but men have president this country, you think that women shouldn't have a chance to run it?
00:54:14.000You think you're doing an amazing job?
00:54:16.000Yep. Are you here for the progressiveness of the country or are you here to stick to the cookie cutter, you know, average white male leading the world type of vibe?
00:54:31.000Totally average white male leading the world.
00:54:33.000Well, I think we should have exceptional white males leading the world.
00:54:35.000I think the world was a great place when we had more of that.
00:54:38.000The more we get away from that, the worse things seem to get.
00:54:42.000I think white men should be back in charge, but that's another debate.
00:54:45.000I think women should definitely not be in charge.
00:54:48.000I feel like... I'm not trying to generalize, but I feel like that demographic causes more harm to the country than they ever did good.
00:55:06.000You said women vote for the wrong candidate.
00:55:12.000So why are you the arbiter of what's considered a wrong candidate?
00:55:15.000You do know that the same wrong candidates that you're talking about, men vote for them as well.
00:55:21.000Yeah, I know. And all these things, I know you said like some mentioned vote too, but if you believe in a democratic system where every person to vote should count, I assume so.
00:56:07.000These are people that know how the country actually works.
00:56:10.000The problem is people look at a vote as a privilege and they've divorced it from why we have the privilege.
00:56:16.000And we have the privilege because the privilege is conferred upon us by citizenship.
00:56:20.000Citizenship, self-government, means you take responsibility for the country.
00:56:26.000It's not just about you're a total bum or you're lazy or you know nothing and then you get to cast a vote.
00:56:32.000If you're not really upholding the responsibilities of a free man and a citizen, if you're not enterprising, if you're not a good Republican—by Republican, I don't mean— A member of the GOP, I mean a member of the republic, which is, you know, what this country is, I don't think you should be able to vote.
00:56:47.000And I think there's a lot of people that, you know, whether they contribute nothing or they know nothing, some of them aren't even literate, some of them know nothing about what's going on, the idea their vote cancels out a business owner, their vote cancels out a lawyer, it's totally insane.
00:57:02.000I have one point before I move it on to my other people, but I understand what you're saying.
00:57:09.000There are a lot of misinformed people when they go to cast their ballot, but I don't think that we should put in a system in place where they don't get to make their voices heard because the president rules the country.
00:57:20.000That means every single thing they do will affect every single person in this country.
00:57:24.000So they should have a right to dictate that.
00:57:27.000How their lives are going to be governed, whether they're informed or not, taking away, like, disenfranchising people because we think they're misinformed.
00:58:59.000A country is a group of people that say this land is our land and we get to determine what happens within these borders.
00:59:06.000Now unfortunately, there is no entity higher than the level of government that enforces When Russia invades Ukraine, there's nobody that says, you're not allowed to do that.
00:59:17.000If Ukraine can't defend its borders, they lose their land.
00:59:21.000Those territories are no longer a part of it.
00:59:23.000So what makes a country a country is the willingness and the ability to defend the borders and the territorial integrity.
00:59:32.000If America is attacked from outside or inside, who goes to fight?
00:59:36.000Who goes to fight the war to secure the realm and defend our way of life and our right to govern ourselves?
00:59:43.000It's the men. It's the men that go on the front lines.
01:00:41.000But you're just talking about men being irrational, being violent, like men have to protect women from other fellow men?
01:00:47.000Katherine Johnson, who worked at NASA, that's not a female genius?
01:00:50.000That's fake. I'm talking about real geniuses, like Isaac Newton, like Galileo.
01:00:57.000I'm talking about real geniuses, not like hidden figures.
01:01:00.000...being geniuses because they are white males, when I guarantee you all of their work could possibly be just copied off of someone else who found it first.
01:01:16.000You can find someone in a different country that knows way more than any of them.
01:01:22.000You're not considering people outside of yourself could be worth more or more knowledgeable than you because you have this narrow-minded view on who you deem is the Top of the totem pole.
01:01:38.000But I don't blame you for that. That's probably how your life was set up.
01:01:42.000That's probably why you don't have any other views than that.
01:01:45.000And why you can't consider that other people feel differently.
01:01:50.000I don't consider that other people feel differently.
01:02:12.000Okay, but the thing is that the geniuses you're bringing up, the reason why you know about them is because they were in a position where they were able to make their voices heard.
01:02:20.000A lot of people of color aren't able to do that.
01:02:22.000So a lot of these geniuses that you're talking about, there probably was a person of color behind the entire operation.
01:02:27.000But you wouldn't know that. Because a lot of people of color aren't in positions to take credit for a lot of things.
01:02:33.000Who is the person of color behind Isaac Newton?
01:02:36.000We can see how that dynamic plays out.
01:02:44.000The idea that, you know, there's sort of like this...
01:02:48.000Black people of the gaps argument, where it's like, if we can find no female geniuses throughout recorded history, if we can find no people of color geniuses throughout recorded history, there's this assumption, well, the white people, they just stole it from some black person somewhere, and we could just safely assume that.
01:03:07.000I think that we know about Isaac Newton because he revolutionized math and science.
01:03:11.000We know about Galileo because he revolutionized our understanding of space and the cosmos and the world.
01:03:17.000We know about them because they did these extraordinary things.
01:03:20.000When you look at female inventors, because I prepared for this debate, if you Google female inventors and you look at any website, top 10 female inventors, in the top 10 is like ice cream maker, miracle mop, coffee filter.
01:03:35.000You look at the things that men invented, it's like cars, human flight, nuclear bomb, rocket ships.
01:03:43.000And so to get back to the, yeah, go ahead.
01:03:47.000What? I want to talk, but I don't want to talk.
01:03:53.000Okay, we'll go in order because it's getting more interruptions.
01:03:55.000Start with Jazz, and then we'll go to Burnout, and then back to Isaac.
01:03:57.000Go ahead, Jazz. Okay, from your opening statement, first you said that you just don't like that women vote because they don't vote for the candidate you want.
01:04:05.000But the other thing you said was that women lack leadership qualities.
01:04:08.000So I'm wondering what these qualities are that all women don't have.
01:04:12.000And that, like, is a reason to categorically exclude them.
01:04:15.000Because even if we go based off of we should have informed voters, we should have voters that are Paying into taxes or whatever you were saying, there's a lot of women who would meet that threshold and a lot of men that wouldn't.
01:04:25.000So what is your argument for categorically excluding one group based on their gender when many of them would meet the requirements that you had proposed?
01:04:46.000When the one group is better at one thing on average, that does not mean, especially when it's a small effect size, for instance, like agreeableness, that's like a 0.3.
01:04:55.000So while you can make the statement that on average women are more agreeable than men, it's by such a small amount that when it comes to individuals, like let's say me and you, it would literally be like, A coin toss on me being more agreeable than you.
01:05:09.000That's how that works. That's just statistics.
01:05:12.000So I think that's a really dim-witted way to view the world just because you're looking at group averages and then making individual judgments based on group averages.
01:05:40.000It's not. That's just scientifically not accurate.
01:05:42.000I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why I think that.
01:05:45.000You look at, like, right now, for instance...
01:05:48.000We arguably live in the most liberal, progressive, feminist society of all time.
01:05:55.000Western Europe and North America, probably the most liberal, feminist, progressive since the beginning of recorded history.
01:06:03.000We don't have any female billionaires, like very, very few.
01:06:07.000You look at the top 10 female billionaires, they all got their money from inheritance.
01:06:11.000Okay, well, if you want a society that is a meritocracy, though, like, let's say, like, I think it's 15% of Nobel Prize winners are female.
01:06:19.000Would you rather have a society where it's zero?
01:06:22.000Like, wouldn't my society that's the best of both genders, even if less women do?
01:06:29.000Wouldn't we want the best of the best?
01:06:30.000And for those women that can meet that standard, you don't want them to be included just because they're women?
01:06:35.000It doesn't seem like how you would operate in a real meritocracy, where we're trying to get the best of the best for any field that we're going for.
01:06:43.000I mean, that's really a separate argument.
01:06:46.000The argument I'm making is that when you look at society, if your argument were true, that on average men and women are equally as likely to be agreeable or not agreeable, risk takers or not risk takers, etc., then you would probably see a more substantial proportion of the super competitive people would be women.
01:07:07.000But that's not true. Yeah, half of the profession, lawyers, half of are women.
01:07:13.000I think half the medical professions are women.
01:07:15.000Women-owned businesses are less likely to go bankrupt.
01:07:18.000So there are certain fields where women are either surpassing or operating equal to men.
01:07:23.000And again, if you want a meritocracy, you want people who can survive in this economy and have a booming business, whether that's a man or a woman.
01:07:30.000Why would you categorically exclude an entire group of people based on a very, very small difference in group averages?
01:08:07.000Women are not suited to be police officers.
01:08:09.000I think for all the same reasons, women are not suited to govern and rule because those do require very particular combinations of traits that, although I don't think they've never been expressed in women, I think it is completely rare.
01:08:23.000And when we're talking about a country of 350 million people, we're talking about women voting, more women vote than men.
01:08:30.000So, you know, arguably maybe you could get a once-in-a-generation female leader.
01:08:35.000I'll reserve the possibility, you know, that that can happen.
01:08:39.000But we're talking about women as a rule in a system participating in governance, and I think that's totally wrong.
01:08:45.000Just like, you know, if you watch Game of Thrones, there's like that big chick is the knight.
01:08:50.000Yeah, there might be like a giant woman who could be a cop.
01:08:53.000But I don't know that we would say, oh, the cops should be half women and half men.
01:08:57.000Just like I think the voters shouldn't be half women and half men.
01:08:59.000This is why it's important to look at those categories and see how big that effect size is and the difference.
01:09:04.000So with things like physical strength, men are overwhelmingly physically stronger than women.
01:09:09.000When it comes to things like agreeableness, that difference is much smaller and there's a ton of overlap between men and women.
01:09:15.000So for your brain to be so narrow-minded to say, oh, I'm going to look at every categorical difference.
01:09:21.000If men are stronger than women on average, and men are less agreeable than women on average, I'm just going to pretend that this is 100%, and there's no nuance, and there's no overlap, and there's no difference between the amount that a man is stronger than a woman versus how agreeable one is, or how smart one is, or how educated one is, especially when women actually are surpassing men in a lot of these fields, especially education.
01:09:42.000That's just not a reasonable way to look at life or the data.
01:10:48.000Yeah, so I feel like women should be able to vote because I feel like anybody in this country who is a citizen, who is a part of the way that America operates and flows, Should have a say so on how policies affect them.
01:11:02.000I feel like it's not fair to give the power to one specific gender based off of things that you've pretty much just pulled out of the air because you don't have facts for any of the things that you claim tonight.
01:11:19.000And I think even the way you're debating tonight is showing that men should not rule or control anything just because you don't even have the facts to back up stuff you're saying.
01:13:20.000I actually don't think that leads to good outcomes.
01:13:23.000And that's why our elections are now these ridiculous turnout games where it's just pumping TV and radio with low IQ attack ads, literally bussing people to the polls.
01:13:33.000You know, it's like a month they harvest ballots, getting people to just show up and sign their name on it.
01:13:38.000This is not conducive to good governance.
01:13:41.000That's not what citizenship looks like.
01:13:43.000And so I think once you understand that, then you start to ask yourself, well, what would be the categories of people that should vote?
01:13:50.000And I think when you consider the temperament of men and women, I think that one of the ways you draw the line is you say men should vote.
01:13:57.000I think another category where you draw the line is...
01:14:00.000People that own things, people that own property or own a business.
01:14:03.000I'm sorry, I don't think renters and wage earners, I don't think they really have enough stake in the society to be able to cast a vote.
01:14:10.000I think maybe you'd throw in a category like whether a person's a parent.
01:14:13.000I'm not a parent, but maybe that's another category.
01:14:16.000If you have kids, at least you have a stake in the future.
01:14:19.000But we really need to get back to thinking about voting as part of citizenship, part of being self-governing, not just this thing where...
01:14:28.000Everybody gets it like they get, you know, anything else.
01:14:54.000So when you're saying things about temperament, men have bad temperament too.
01:14:58.000Men and women are very similar when it comes to the way their brains work.
01:15:02.000So to take away the rights of one side of the aisle while leaving it for the other, that shows a lack of temperament on your behalf as well, which is just proving our argument.
01:15:13.000And also, if you cut off the voting rights for 50% of the population, don't you think that would have a negative effect on society?
01:15:19.000You say that's the best for society, but how is disenfranchising half of the entire population good for society?
01:15:28.000Yeah, go ahead. I was going to say, and also, why should...
01:15:32.00050% of society have a say-so for the whole majority.
01:15:38.000That's crazy. That's crazy that you think that a man should have a say-so on how things affect women's bodies, how people live, how people express themselves.
01:16:00.000Go ahead. In order to create a society, you need people.
01:16:04.000In order to create a person, you need both men and women.
01:16:08.000How can you speak on something like that and think that the other input is not worthy or is not valuable?
01:16:15.000You can't even make a baby without a woman.
01:16:17.000You can't even make a city to govern without a woman, and you're trying to take away the whole voice of Of a whole marginalized, not even marginalized, probably the most important factor in a society.
01:16:39.000Who's under you that you think you have all the authority and right to govern all these people, but they're the people who's putting in the work for you to be able to sit up there and speak so confidently in what you're saying.
01:16:52.000Perfect. I'm going to go on to the next subject here.
01:16:54.000Let's do the last one from Jazz, and let's go on to the next subject, okay?
01:16:58.000Yeah, I just feel like it doesn't matter.
01:16:59.000If he's saying, okay, the threshold should be property owners, pays taxes, civically engaged, educated, and has kids, but then all of a sudden all women are excluded for this, although so many women meet this threshold just because you're making a categorical exclusion because of a group average, a very small one on temperament.
01:17:18.000It just... It doesn't even align with anything else you're saying.
01:17:21.000If you have these requirements to get in, it should be if you meet those requirements to vote, you should do it despite your gender or race or anything.
01:17:28.000It just seems like you just want to categorically exclude women just because they're women based on a false perception of how all women are.
01:17:37.000Because again, you're looking at a very small difference in group averages.
01:17:41.000Great. Let's go on to the next subject.
01:17:47.000Again, I'll just say I think that, you know, and here's another point I'll just throw out there.
01:17:53.000Power and decision-making is distributed in the society in different ways, and I think burnout actually made a good point.
01:18:00.000Women do raise all of the people, or ideally they should.
01:18:03.000I think that the mothers should raise their babies.
01:18:06.000I think every baby should be raised by their mother.
01:18:08.000That's a massive amount of power and influence, and women are huge influence on their husbands.
01:18:13.000How a man goes out and lives his life is totally influenced by a woman, and I think the idea that Voting is the end-all be-all of the expression of political power.
01:18:24.000It's just wrong. And I think that in the same way that men aren't trying to push babies out of their butts, I think women shouldn't be fighting in the wars.
01:18:31.000In the same way that men aren't breastfeeding the kids, I think women shouldn't be in politics.
01:18:35.000I think that politics is an extension of war.
01:18:38.000I think that governance is leadership.
01:18:40.000And I think that temperamentally, not group averages, categorically, women are just not suited for that sort of thing.
01:18:46.000Sounds good. Let's move on to the next subject.
01:18:49.000To spice it up, let's start with Isaac.
01:18:54.000Isaac, should gay people be allowed to adopt babies?
01:18:59.000Yeah, I believe that as long as you have the ability to be a good parent, whether you're gay, straight, no matter your sexual orientation, you should be allowed.
01:19:09.000Pretty cut and dry. Okay, anyone else before Nick goes?
01:19:13.000Should gay people be allowed to adopt babies?
01:19:15.000Heaven, do you have anything? Burnout?
01:19:18.000Yeah, I feel like anybody that has the heart to be a parent, the patience to be a parent, should be afforded that right to experience parenthood and having a child and having that family that they have always wanted.
01:19:36.000I feel like there's no evidence to show that children that grow up in a single or same-sex couple households do it fair any worse on a majority of metrics and or on any metric.
01:19:49.000And on top of that, I feel like if you're looking at the best interests of a child, a child that's needing to be adopted and a family that's wanting to adopt them, How could you possibly say that this child just should live without parents instead of going to gay parents, especially when there's no evidence that doing so would be more detrimental to the child, even in a heterosexual relationship, much less no parents?
01:20:12.000Christine and then Cheyenne, do you have anything?
01:20:15.000Should gay people be allowed to adopt babies?
01:20:22.000Just for me, you know, for me, it's just...
01:20:25.000I don't know, but there's plenty of unfit parents that are heterosexual, you know, ones that literally lose their kids to the system because of drugs or whatever it is that they're on.
01:20:37.000If there is a gay couple that has no criminal record and they can be fit parents, I don't see why they can't be parents if they want to be parents, if they're not hurting the child.
01:20:49.000Cheyenne, what do you think? Should gay people be allowed to adopt babies?
01:20:53.000Yes. Anybody that wants to be a parent, it shouldn't matter what their sexual orientation is or race.
01:21:01.000So I think that a child deserves two-parent households, but it shouldn't matter what sexuality they are.
01:21:21.000Yes, absolutely. You have to give an argument.
01:21:25.000This is a debate. Besides period, why should gay people be allowed to adopt children?
01:21:30.000I believe that your sexuality shouldn't disqualify you from having that experience and raising up a person into this world that could be beneficial rather than leaving them to fend and fight for themselves.
01:22:15.000And I think it's sort of like the question...
01:22:17.000Asking should you let alcoholics adopt kids or should you let drug users adopt kids or something like this?
01:22:24.000You know, and let's just be very clear about what we're talking about.
01:22:27.000You know, the way that homosexuals are portrayed in the media and like modern family and stuff is like, oh, you know, they're just like us.
01:22:34.000They just kind of like, you know, they have a different preference.
01:22:37.000Some people like hamburgers, some people like pizza.
01:22:40.000And so it is. But let's just be very clear.
01:22:43.000It's like 3% of the population that identifies as exclusively same-sex attracted.
01:22:52.000When you have people that identify as they're flexible or they're not exclusively heterosexual or something like that, but the number of people that identify as exclusively same-sex attracted is exceedingly low.
01:23:05.000We also find that there's a lot of Things that overlap with that.
01:23:59.000If I could just finish, I promise I'll wrap it up and then you can respond.
01:24:02.000Yeah, let's lower the interruptions before you guys continue.
01:24:04.000We'll go one at a time, Nick, if you could finish your opening statement.
01:24:06.000So the dirty secret that nobody wants to talk about is that homosexuals, there's a huge overlap with perversion and other dysfunctional behaviors.
01:24:16.000I'm sure there are homosexuals out there, maybe, that their only sin is sodomy.
01:24:22.000Their only sin is sodomy and something like that, and maybe every other way.
01:24:27.000They're fine. And I think that's very rare.
01:24:31.000But overall, the gay community has a lot of those problems.
01:24:34.000And I think the question fundamentally is, what is best for the child?
01:24:38.000People say, well, everyone has a right to have kids.
01:24:41.000And something consistent in the debate is this, we deserve, we have rights.
01:24:46.000We have to think about what we're actually doing here.
01:24:49.000We have to think about where the rights of other people are.
01:24:51.000Do children have a right to grow up in a home with a moral fabric, where it's a man and a woman in a marriage, as opposed to a single person, gay people, other kinds of issues going on in the home?
01:25:03.000I actually do think in some cases, children not being adopted is better.
01:25:08.000And obviously, we can think of examples of where that would not be the case, and I think that also applies to homosexuals, too.
01:25:18.000Do you have anything, Isaac? Yeah, I think the sort of main point of this debate is kind of there can't really be an agreement or a conclusion reached because we have a fundamental disagreement over what's moral.
01:25:32.000I think you see homosexuality as a sin.
01:25:34.000You call it sodomy. So from your perspective, People who are immoral should not raise kids.
01:25:41.000And in that sense, I agree that people who are immoral should not raise kids.
01:25:44.000However, I do not view homosexuality as immoral, as do many other people on this panel.
01:26:03.000Anything? I just want to know what basis do you base homosexuality in relation to alcoholism and pedophilic nature because those are very different things.
01:26:22.000Those are hugely different things and that is a heavy statement to make in a comparison.
01:26:30.000To call someone who is a drunk and a danger to children the same as someone who just likes the same sex.
01:27:05.000We did not say that anybody should be able to be a doctor.
01:27:09.000Your argument was, you can roll it back, but the argument was, people want to be parents, they should be able to be parents.
01:27:16.000And I think you agree that some people, that's not, even if they want to be parents, that's not enough, because there's certain qualifications we have to consider whether they'd be good parents.
01:27:26.000Would you not let people in a rural poor community adopt children then?
01:27:31.000Because they have high, if you're looking at averages, they have high rates of alcoholism and drugs.
01:27:35.000Would you not have people in middle America rural communities that all are dealing with this opiate crisis?
01:27:40.000Would you not let any of them adopt children?
01:27:43.000And again, just because when you said earlier, oh, it's rare, it's only three percent.
01:27:46.000Like, yeah, maybe three percent of the population is born with four fingers instead of five.
01:27:50.000That doesn't mean they shouldn't be parents, just because it's not as common.
01:27:53.000So I don't understand just because you're saying that.
01:27:55.000And again, there is actually no evidence that people, that children that grow up in same-sex households fare off any worse, whereas there is evidence that children growing up in poor rural communities fare off worse.
01:28:07.000So with your argument, would you not let those people adopt children?
01:28:11.000Again, the argument isn't about averages.
01:28:13.000The argument isn't whether someone is statistically likely to be one thing or the other.
01:28:17.000Exactly, Andy. Okay, can I finish my reply?
01:28:21.000Yes. So as I'm not sure it's Isaac, I think Isaac said a moment ago, you know, we're not really going to come to an agreement because if you think that being gay is not immoral, and I think it follows, if you don't think it's immoral, you probably would say that gays are just people that have a higher risk factor, for example, of those things, just like other people, just like people in Appalachia or something, and therefore you wouldn't categorically exclude them.
01:28:49.000What I'm saying, though, and I'm making this argument by painting a picture, is that homosexuality is immoral, just like being an alcoholic, just like being one of those other things.
01:29:02.000I think in the same way that someone that abuses alcohol shouldn't have kids, someone that abuses themselves in a sexual way shouldn't be having kids.
01:29:10.000The picture I'm painting for people who might be skeptical is just to kind of introduce it.
01:29:15.000When I'm saying they shouldn't have kids, I'm not saying, oh, well, they shouldn't have kids because I'm prejudiced or a bigot.
01:29:21.000I'm saying it's wrong, and it's a good heuristic that it's wrong because it's being misrepresented in the media and in society as something like it's—you have men and women.
01:29:33.000There's half men, half women, and men and women are basically—they all are after the same things.
01:29:38.000You've got black people, white people.
01:29:39.000White people, black people are born a certain way, blah, blah, blah.
01:29:42.000What I'm saying is about homosexuals being 3% of the population, It is anomalous.
01:29:49.000And so there's something about that where I feel like people don't really recognize it's such a tiny minority.
01:29:53.000And then you start to think, well, are people born gay and straight, like people are born white and black or men and women?
01:30:00.000Are people born a certain way, and maybe they're born with a certain inclination, and then maybe it's environmental?
01:30:06.000In some cases, it's induced by assault or trauma, or it's induced by certain environmental factors in the home, like an overbearing mother.
01:30:14.000And then you start to create a profile that homosexuality is really a pattern of behavior more than an identity.
01:30:20.000And that's why it tends to flow into heavy promiscuity, drug use, perversion, all these things.
01:30:27.000Because it isn't just like a preference that is kind of arbitrary to Yeah, go ahead.
01:30:42.000Couldn't you say the same thing about, like, people with your worldview?
01:31:01.000If you're just going to say homosexuality is immoral, I don't like it, that's why, fine.
01:31:05.000But what you're saying is, oh, they have overlaps with drug use and this and that, when, again...
01:31:10.000Those poor rural communities, they have way bigger overlaps, and we have actual statistical data that children that grow up in those communities end up faring worse, whereas children growing up with same-sex couples do not.
01:31:22.000So if you just want to say, I don't like homosexuality because it's gross, fine, but I don't know where these other arguments are coming from because you're not being consistent with them.
01:31:36.000So I think you're speaking from a perspective of someone that doesn't know the LGBTQ community.
01:31:43.000You're just speaking about your own experience by maybe media, maybe your own closed-minded view.
01:31:50.000Yeah, I think that if you're trying to make the case that homosexuals are not promiscuous, that they don't abuse drugs, that they don't like to party, that there's not immense perversion, I think you don't know what you're talking about on that case.
01:32:05.000I mean, it's true. Maybe I don't have credibility on the subject because...
01:32:09.000You know, I don't know them and that lifestyle intimately, but I think you'd be mistaken if you're arguing that.
01:33:21.000And just like everything else, one person's one way and one person is another?
01:33:25.000Or is homosexuality a non-normative behavior?
01:33:29.000It's a deviant behavior. It's a form of acting out or indulgence or a defect like other things, you know, a predisposition to alcoholism, a predisposition to other things. I think there's a good case to be made based on the fact that it's such a small percentage and they are given to these extreme and I think anti-social behaviors. And you know, that's just...
01:33:51.000If people had the ability to choose their sexuality, why would they, what benefit would they have by being gay in society?
01:35:21.000I think the same is true as hypersexuality in heterosexuals.
01:35:24.000I think a lot of that should be regulated.
01:35:27.000Right. Would you say then that black people shouldn't be able to adopt kids because they're technically more likely to be predispositioned towards violence because they commit more of it, if that's what you believe?
01:35:37.000Or would you like, when you say, okay, alcoholics shouldn't be able to adopt kids, would you actually see that the person that wants to adopt a child is an alcoholic?
01:35:44.000Or would you exclude them because they come from a region?
01:35:47.000Like, poor rural America, where a lot of them are alcoholics.
01:35:50.000Because for some reason, with gay people, you're like, automatically, because there's this overlap between, or they have higher rates of drug use than whatever other demographic you're comparing them to, that we're not now going to look at them individually and think, are you an alcoholic?
01:36:05.000But I have a feeling that when it comes to other groups, you would actually want them to show, okay, this person shouldn't be a parent because they are using drugs, not because they come from an area or that they're white or whatever, that makes them more likely to do so.
01:36:21.000Yeah, again, I think you're kind of getting hung up on, like, I'm not saying it's a statistical risk factor.
01:36:26.000I'm not saying homosexuals are more likely to do X, Y, and Z, although they are, and therefore they shouldn't be able to adopt.
01:36:32.000I'm saying homosexuality is wrong, I said, and we know it's wrong because it really is a pattern of behavior.
01:36:40.000People that exclusively engage in homosexual sex...
01:36:48.000Just like some people go and drink every day.
01:36:50.000Some men have sex with men and some women have sex with women.
01:36:54.000And I'm saying that categorically, those people should not have kids.
01:36:57.000Just like categorically, alcoholics shouldn't have kids.
01:37:00.000Just like categorically, drug abusers, I should say, shouldn't be able to adopt kids.
01:37:04.000Black people, by virtue of existing, don't necessarily have a predisposition of violence, but black people that are engaged in gangbanging.
01:37:32.000And so... If there was data that showed that, or if you believed, even because there is, that showed that these children don't fare off any worse with same-sex couples that engage in whatever lifestyle you're talking about, does that matter to you?
01:37:46.000Or is it just you just don't like it, it's wrong, even though it doesn't seem to have any negative impact on children?
01:37:53.000No, because I think that – and this is a point I think is interesting.
01:37:58.000You're always pushing the data, and it's a very strong argument when you come with data.
01:38:02.000I don't think that we get all our knowledge empirically, empirically meaning scientifically.
01:38:41.000I think it's immoral. I think people that grow up in a household being taught Sex could be had between two consenting people or many consenting people or men and men.
01:38:49.000I think it's wrong. I don't think people should be brought up in that kind of environment.
01:38:54.000Hold on, hold on. Jazz, we're going to let you go.
01:38:58.000I want to hear from Isaac and then we're going to move on to the next subject because Isaac, it seems like you have a moral quandary with Nick, but let's go one more thing from Jazz.
01:39:07.000Yeah, I was just going to say, so you're saying ignore all the data, ignore the actual evidence that people have gathered looking at children and how they fare off in different environments.
01:39:15.000Ignore that even personal experience, because it seems like you don't know, you don't hang around a lot of same-sex couples, but just whatever you feel, you think, based on Catholicism and whatever you're putting together, that should be the metric that all of society should go by.
01:39:29.000Not facts, not even lived experiences, just what you feel.
01:40:37.000And, you know, moral statements are created by moral systems by people.
01:40:42.000So, you know, I'm going to go to Isaac.
01:40:47.000Isaac, what is your response to next moral position?
01:40:51.000Yeah, I just think my dilemma is that on paper, there's nothing wrong with his belief that immoral people should not adopt kids.
01:41:00.000I just think that what's moral is subjective.
01:41:04.000I do not believe that because you're homosexual, you are immoral.
01:41:08.000And I do think that even if we're using this really narrow-minded view of morality, Once you agree that there are people that you find immoral that are good at what they do, can we concede to that?
01:41:22.000Absolutely. Yeah. So just because you view someone as immoral does not mean they don't have the ability to do what's needed.
01:41:29.000So if someone is immoral but is still a good parent and the kid ends up achieving greatness because they had good parents, why would you be against that?
01:41:38.000I don't understand. Because the first— Hold on, let's let Nick respond and then Bernard, you can go.
01:41:44.000Oh, yeah. In my opinion, I think that the thing that a parent has to do first is give their kid a moral education.
01:41:51.000You know, we look at the society today, it's falling apart because kids aren't getting a moral education.
01:41:56.000They're getting taught calculus and science, and then they can read and they can do a lot of things, but they're not getting a moral education.
01:42:03.000They're not being taught—you know, like, for example, you look at crime— We find people are so unsatisfying.
01:42:25.000It's because there's a true moral failing, and it stems from really bad parents.
01:42:30.000Single parents, selfish parents, divorced parents, parents that are more interested in other things, parents themselves that didn't have a moral compass.
01:42:42.000I do have a more narrow version of morality.
01:42:44.000I think our responsibilities go further than just don't harm other people in obvious ways, which seems to be the consensus.
01:42:51.000It's like, as long as you're not hurting somebody, it's like, but, you know, aren't we hurting children when their parents get divorced?
01:42:58.000Aren't we hurting people when we engage in decadent, irresponsible behaviors?
01:43:03.000Aren't we hurting ourselves? Is there anything better about hurting ourselves than hurting somebody else, and why?
01:43:09.000So it is a more narrow version of morality, but I think that's what's needed.
01:43:15.000I'll go ahead and then I have a question for Isaac.
01:43:17.000Alright, to elaborate more on this straight edge path that you're thinking when it comes to morality or whatever, I would start with saying that morality comes from being mortal.
01:43:46.000Because morals are held up around what is deemed acceptable and what is deemed not acceptable.
01:43:55.000And for you to sit here and make statistical statements And not consider that morals have a very big part to do with your experience as a human being and how you physically inhabit spaces in your body and spaces where you don't really know what's going on.
01:44:17.000You're just regurgitating information.
01:44:20.000It's kind of like we all know is narrow-minded, but it can't be the definitive factor or like the last And I'll be all because life is full of complexities and you're not considering any of them.
01:44:36.000You're taking your information that someone has told you, not anything that you have experienced firsthand and saying that's the end all be all.
01:44:45.000And this is what we should go by when there's no proof that this is the best way to go.
01:44:50.000Great. Isaac, I want to ask you, where does morality come from?
01:45:03.000But I also think that there are things that lean into the more subjectivity of it all because there are things that Christians deem moral that I deem immoral.
01:45:15.000And there are things that I deem moral, that Christians deem immoral, like abortion.
01:45:22.000We don't have enough evidence or enough understanding to know exactly where morality comes from.
01:45:27.000And that is why we can't make society-based things on subjective moral values.
01:45:34.000Because just because you think something's immoral does not mean the next man thinks something is immoral.
01:45:40.000So we need to be a little more complex with that.
01:45:43.000And I don't think... That's why I think you're narrow-minded in the sense that you're not considering all the complexities of morality and the subjectivity around morality.
01:45:51.000You're just going by your own sense of morality rather than taking into account the rest of the world.
01:45:58.000That's just my opinion. Well, you haven't answered the question directly.
01:46:04.000Nobody knows. Okay, do you have anything from Cheyenne and then from Christine?
01:46:08.000You haven't spoke much during this subject.
01:46:10.000Do you have anything? We'll move on to the next one.
01:46:13.000Yeah, my parents are pretty conservative, I would say, and I just feel like When you say that, you know, gay parents will be a bad example and such, I just, I don't personally get it because I was raised by, like, similar beliefs.
01:46:31.000Like, my parents have similar beliefs as you.
01:46:33.000Like, they told me, like, growing up, like, you better not like girls and things like that.
01:47:13.000We don't know. But what I can say, as a person who grew up in a church, because both parents are Christianity, that's just...
01:47:23.000They've been told me, you can't be gay, you better not be gay.
01:47:26.000But to say that just because someone may be different, they're not as human or as qualified to be parents, or as a woman, she's not qualified to do anything because she's a woman.
01:47:44.000It's a bit biased and a bit weird, don't you think?
01:47:50.000Okay, let's move on to the next subject.
01:47:52.000We're starting to circle a little bit, and I would just say going forward, if the participants, instead of asking questions, we would like to hear your arguments instead of reverting back to Nick.
01:48:01.000I'm hearing less of people's stances and just asking Nick questions, so if you could state your arguments a little bit more.
01:48:07.000We'll move on to the next one now, and I'll start with Nick, because you started with the Isaac last one.
01:50:14.000People say they got big bones or something.
01:50:17.000I think there's a lot of shit in the foods that we're not supposed to eat, but if you get fat, it's probably because you're eating too much, and that's a sin.
01:50:24.000So we need people to stop eating, stop the snacking, stop drinking the sugary drinks, stop grazing all the time.
01:50:32.000Gotta get up and move, get active, you know?
01:50:39.000Does anyone think that it's okay to be fat?
01:50:42.000Go ahead, Isaac. Okay, I agree with Nick a lot on this.
01:50:47.000I do not think that it's okay to be physically unhealthy.
01:50:51.000However, where my opinion differs, and I'm just assuming, you didn't say it, but I don't think we should demonize people for being physically unhealthy.
01:51:00.000I think there are productive ways to stir people into a physically healthy life that doesn't involve shaming them and making them feel any worse than they already are.
01:51:07.000So, and to answer your question, I don't think it's alright to be physically unhealthy, but I don't think the solution to that is to shame people.
01:51:14.000And also, obesity and being fat can be caused by factors that aren't controlled by the person that is that way.
01:51:30.000Is it okay to be fat? Do you have anything?
01:51:34.000Jazz, go ahead. I think there's a difference between unhealthy and immoral and I don't think like Nick always talks about oh we have this inherent we have this inherent thing that we just know it's unhealthy we know it's immoral and I think like earlier you brought up like oh there's like things like math well there's a consensus on math clearly your moral framework is not shared by a lot of people it's by the majority of people in our country and so if it's so inherent that we should all just know it because it's just within us It seems like it's only a small percentage of people that have the thing you're talking about where we just inherently feel that someone eating donuts is so immoral.
01:52:31.000No. However, I do feel like what Nick is kind of getting at has more to do with a person's, it has more to do with just being negative and like trying to tear them down and not really health.
01:52:46.000Because sometimes if a person has weight on them, it's not really because they're unhealthy.
01:52:51.000It may be like, as I said, they may have personal like health issues that they're going through.
01:52:57.000Yeah. And also, fat is subjective because a lot of beauty standards have changed over time.
01:53:03.000I remember the women that we call thick and curvy these days, they were labeled fat back in the day.
01:53:09.000So it's also really subjective about being fat.
01:53:13.000And as long as somebody is comfortable in their own skin, I think it's okay, but I'm not going to, like, enable, you know, physically, you know, physical unhealthy behavior.
01:53:25.000But I'm not going to shame or demonize them the way you guys do.
01:53:38.000I think it is the picture of being unhealthy when you're obese.
01:53:44.000People don't like to look at it for a reason.
01:53:46.000There's a reason that super fat people are not in high demand in the dating market or something like that.
01:53:53.000We don't like it because it's not beautiful.
01:53:55.000It's not beautiful because it's not good.
01:53:57.000It's not beautiful because it's not healthy.
01:53:59.000Exactly. And I think that, you know, as far as shame is concerned, I think shame is extremely important, you know, because people, we know people and we know ourselves.
01:54:08.000If we don't have positive and negative incentives, we will do the path of least resistance.
01:54:21.000It's plentiful. You know, it's something that we like to do.
01:54:25.000If there's not a powerful motivator...
01:54:28.000Like shame or fear of judgment or things like that, I think it does actually lead more people to engage in that, and I think it's not for their benefit.
01:54:37.000So it's almost like you look at a person who's fat.
01:54:41.000Now, a person that's fat has a lot of problems.
01:55:11.000If left to their own devices, they will destroy themselves and others.
01:55:14.000I think meanness is actually kind of a prerequisite for...
01:55:18.000And by the way, we know this with other things.
01:55:21.000When people are like racist, when people are whatever, the kinds of things you guys don't like, you have no problem shaming them.
01:55:28.000You have no problem being mean, even in some ways, not necessarily you guys in particular, I'm speaking broadly, even being a little bit hypocritical towards so-called racists or sexists or whatever.
01:55:41.000So I don't think anybody disagrees with the tactics.
01:55:44.000Everybody knows that. It's just a question of what do you think is wrong, and I think that on some level people want to tolerate fatness because people are more tolerant of weakness, decadence, selfishness than they are of meanness or cruelty or other things like that, and I just think that's all out of – I think that's imbalanced.
01:57:34.000They have like a kind of jolly demeanor.
01:57:37.000Some people look a little better that way.
01:57:40.000I feel like we shouldn't speak on other people's bodies, especially if we don't know what's going on with them.
01:57:44.000You are more than valid to speak on yours.
01:57:47.000And if you're admitting to being embarrassed about getting fat and in the same breath belittling fat people, you're just saying that you hate yourself.
01:59:28.000Because it could be for a hormonal issue, which a lot of people that are bigger have hormonal issues or some type of genetic predisposition to it.
01:59:35.000Do you just go around and if someone's ugly or has acne or just is not pleasurable to look at, you just think that's the response?
01:59:51.000In some cases, weight is not directly dictated by your lifestyle.
01:59:59.000I don't think that's true. So you see a lot of morbidly obese people that are starving to death?
02:00:10.000No, but there are sometimes like hormonal issues, like thyroid issues, like my aunt has it and she works out all the time and she's really healthy, but she just puts on a lot of weight because her thyroid.
02:00:19.000So people can have these issues that can also cause acne.
02:00:22.000There's many underlying factors that can lead to what someone looks like on the outside.
02:00:27.000And so I feel like either you have to make fun of everyone for everything, you're ugly, you're sure you have acne, or you need to understand that you don't necessarily know why a person looks a particular way.
02:01:00.000That's terrible. It's like I think the world's a pretty cruel place.
02:01:04.000And I think that obesity, ironically, it's one of the ones that is most correlated.
02:01:09.000Because you're right, in some cases, there are people that have an extenuating circumstance.
02:01:14.000I think in a lot of cases, it is overeating.
02:01:17.000Generations ago, there weren't as many fat people.
02:01:19.000And if you look around the world, in different countries, it varies tremendously.
02:01:23.000I think it is owing a lot to diet and exercise, more so than some, certainly acne, height, these other things you're pointing out, those are almost completely uncontrollable.
02:01:35.000And in the case of something like acne or bad skin, that is something, I think, less so than obesity that can be attributable to lifestyle.
02:01:44.000We all know if you see somebody with a super greasy face and greasy hair, and they have bad complexions, like, okay, that guy doesn't shower.
02:01:51.000That's different than someone who just has it because of hormones, because they're an adolescent or something.
02:02:03.000Yeah, but exactly what Jasmine was saying.
02:02:05.000There are like underlying things that...
02:02:07.000You know, cause somebody to be, like, socioeconomic status, too.
02:02:10.000They're like people in food deserts where they have no opportunity or no other options but to eat, you know, bad food.
02:02:16.000So there are people that are put in positions where they can't help the way they look.
02:02:20.000And I agree, it's physically unhealthy and it's not good for them, but there needs to be a more productive way to lean them towards getting healthy.
02:02:28.000Like, you know, we could provide more programs to help, you know, people who are socioeconomically disadvantaged to You know, get healthier.
02:02:36.000But calling somebody fat and saying you're ugly, I don't want to look at you.
02:02:39.000These people generally are already feeling bad about themselves and you're just putting them down even further.
02:02:43.000And when someone gets put down, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy where they don't want to get better because they already view the world as against them.
02:02:52.000So I don't think your way of dealing with that will be productive.
02:02:56.000It would actually lead to more self-pity and more obese people, if I'm being quite honest.
02:03:02.000Christine, go ahead. Is it okay to be fat?
02:03:03.000Oh, thank you. Yeah, I just wanted to say, like, there's all the TikTokers and, like, the binge eaters that I see that they're like, what I eat in a day?
02:03:09.000And they're eating, like, 10,000 pounds a day.
02:03:11.000A lot of those are skinny, skinny people.
02:03:13.000So I feel like that energy should also be directed towards them because, like, their ones are eating unhealthily.
02:03:17.000But since they aren't able to gain a lot of weight or they have fast metabolisms, Like, no one really cares.
02:03:23.000But then, like, a fat woman or a fat man will be eating a salad and they're getting roasted for that.
02:03:28.000So, yeah, like, you know, you see a fat person in the gym and they're getting made fun of.
02:03:32.000So, like, how can they get better if they're just...
02:03:34.000I know that's the truth of it and that's what's going to happen regardless.
02:03:38.000But, yeah, I think there's a double standard there.
02:03:40.000And there's, of course, like, Cushing syndrome.
02:03:42.000There's PCOS and, like, syndromes and diseases that people, like, they can't help but to gain weight.
02:03:47.000Like, during that, like, medications and stuff like that.
02:03:53.000Is it okay to be fat? It's okay to be fat, but I don't think it's okay to be unhealthy.
02:04:01.000Some people cannot control that they're fat, or sometimes it's genetics, or sometimes they go to a doctor and they'll be like, hey, you're going to start gaining weight.
02:04:11.000And sometimes, when you get older, things stretch, and you can't control your weight, and it's going to get as harder.
02:04:18.000But... Being unhealthy is not okay, because as she just said, you see people on TikTok, they just gobbling that thing, gobbling, gobbling.
02:04:27.000But some of them have fat metabolism, versus you'll see somebody who's plus size, they're eating like a healthy meal, and they're making fun of.
02:04:35.000I don't think that's okay that they get shamed.
02:04:37.000I eat horribly and everything goes into my ass and titties and I just make more money on OnlyFans.
02:04:42.000Okay, we don't need to talk about OnlyFans.
02:04:43.000That's a different subject completely.
02:04:46.000Let's move on because this is kind of getting cyclical.
02:04:48.000I'm going to ask Nick, is transgenderism a mental illness?
02:04:52.000Yeah, I think, you know, by definition, what do they call it?
02:04:55.000Gender dysphoria? I mean, by definition it is.
02:04:58.000And people say, well, the remedy to gender dysphoria is the so-called gender transition.
02:05:05.000I just don't think that such a thing can be achieved.
02:05:33.000You can clock them. And there are some that are pretty good at hiding it.
02:05:36.000There are some that are pretty deceptive.
02:05:39.000But for the most part, the way we find it funny is because you see a 6'5 guy who's 400 pounds grabbing a guy by the collar of his jacket and saying, you do not film me!
02:05:50.000If you saw that TikTok, it's like, okay, that's not very ladylike.
02:05:54.000That guy did not become a woman, obviously.
02:06:18.000I do think that a lot of people who, you know, become transgender, they are grappling with thoughts about, you know, the gender that they are and societal expectations.
02:06:28.000But I feel like that's something that a lot of people go through, like, living up to societal expectations.
02:06:32.000And just because they took an effort...
02:06:35.000To feel comfortable in their own body does not mean they have a mental illness.
02:06:38.000It's just part of the human condition, you know, wanting to feel good in your own skin.
02:06:44.000So if you call transgenderism a mental illness, then you would have to call anybody else that decides to change something about themselves to feel better mentally ill.
02:06:53.000And, you know, it's just not productive to, you know, call everyone you disagree with mentally ill.
02:06:58.000Burnout, go ahead, and then I want to hear from heaven.
02:07:02.000So... I believe that obviously this is an individual choice and the only person that should be speaking on it is the person who feels like they are who they are and if they want to transition that is their decision but I do have experiences with friends who have gone through that and they said that well they don't feel any different after they feel like They just cut their genitals off for no reason or added genitals for a reason and it really just has to do with society.
02:07:34.000Because you can be whatever gender you want as long as you think about it.
02:07:38.000Like, you don't actually have to have the parts.
02:07:40.000If you want to be a dude, go be a dude.
02:07:43.000It's all up to what you feel about yourself mentally and I don't think that it's a mental illness.
02:07:50.000I think the repercussions and the way that society pushes on you to fit this cookie cutter Um, blueprint of what is defined as a woman and a man is really the problem there.
02:09:02.000It's much more complicated and complex.
02:09:03.000There's secondary sex characteristics.
02:09:06.000Like when you see a person on the street, you're not seeing their genitals, but you're seeing things that we associate with one gender expression or the other, like breasts and hair and all those things are the ways that we identify people because we're not seeing people's genitals.
02:09:21.000Okay, I have a question. Wait, Isaac, you did just say yes.
02:09:24.000When I asked that, were you saying yes?
02:09:27.000Did you agree with me? No, I was basically trying to say that's more complex than that.
02:09:55.000That is physical. But gender itself, he, she, they, whatever, that is a human construct that has no basis with biology whatsoever.
02:10:07.000No, Nick, go ahead and elaborate off of, if you believe in my argument, Nick, that if basically they're saying that if they could just switch their gender, then I can become black.
02:10:16.000You can go off basically what you want to say, but they're basically just saying it's not a physical, gender's not physical.
02:12:35.000There's, like, maybe four or five people that, like, really consider them transracial, and her family went out against her because she did not grow up around that area.
02:12:42.000She grew up with a white family, a normal white family.
02:12:44.000That was what she was, and she decided that she wanted to be transracial, but that's not really a thing.
02:12:49.000That's throughout history. All throughout history, there have been trans people that have existed.
02:12:54.000So that's just a newer thing that people are using now.
02:12:57.000And same with, like, the being an animal.
02:12:59.000Like, yeah, like, when my parents had sex and I was conceived, I can't come out as a dog.
02:13:54.000Race, you don't know that I'm Chinese just because my eyes look like this and I have a fine black Fu Manchu mustache and I'm wearing a straw hat.
02:14:03.000You don't know that. So again, it's like we all know these.
02:14:08.000Once you start applying them to other categories, we all realize you actually can't change.
02:14:11.000Just like you can't change your race, which is essential.
02:14:14.000You can't change your species, which is essential.
02:14:16.000You can't change your gender, which is essential.
02:14:19.000But there's this argument, you know, we're going to create another category.
02:14:22.000If you feel like a thing, you're the thing.
02:14:25.000Yeah, that only works if you make the thing a new category.
02:15:11.000So I think some people are predisposed to some things, some people are predisposed to other things, and that's unchangeable.
02:15:18.000Burnout, go ahead. If you feel like you can make something up, why is it that you can make something up and it be true?
02:15:26.000And if a thought that differs from what you think can't be true, like what makes you think that you're the right one, like you're saying everything that's so correct in the world, when there's live proof that differs?
02:16:03.000Women, do you think that this is facts. If you know that things are made up, you're saying that gender is made up.
02:16:08.000If that was the case, then we wouldn't even have men and women.
02:16:11.000We would just call each other chromosome X and chromosome Y. That's my point.
02:16:21.000It's true. Because look, what we call male is the active, well, I mean, there's a lot of things you call male, but it's the active partner that fertilizes the egg with the X and Y chromosome with the penis and balls.
02:16:42.000What transgender people are saying is, well, no, man is really—there's two levels of man.
02:16:48.000There's the level of man which is a discrete reality, and then there's a level of man which we all imagine, and that's what we call man.
02:16:57.000And, you know, man-ness is different from being a man.
02:17:00.000And it's like, again, you can—again— We're good to go.
02:17:29.000We can call it XY, we could call it male, we could call it man, we could call it all those things, but we're still describing the same reality.
02:17:43.000Yeah, can Jasmine talk? She's been raising her hand for a while.
02:17:45.000Yeah, we'll finish with Jasmine and then we'll go on to the next topic.
02:17:48.000Guys, we're going to have to go to the next topic, but Jasmine, go ahead.
02:17:51.000Yeah, I was just gonna say, like, I'm not arguing, and I don't know if other people on the panel are, that a cis woman and a transgender woman are the same.
02:17:58.000I don't think they're the same. But I think they would both be under the umbrella term of woman because when a person has the secondary sex characteristics and you see them as a woman, to say that they are the same thing as a man just doesn't make sense.
02:18:10.000And the culture does matter. I'll even agree with you with race.
02:18:13.000I know people from so many parts of the world, like my boyfriend was just in Africa and over here he's considered black.
02:18:19.000Over there, he's too light, and he's considered not—he's considered—I forgot what he said it is.
02:19:01.000And, you know, of course, there are women that are born without those things, but I think everyone would agree that's one of those essential things.
02:19:06.000Having long hair, not necessarily essential.
02:19:09.000Wearing a dress, not necessarily essential.
02:19:12.000We'd all agree that what makes a man a man and a woman a woman are those things.
02:19:15.000You can't put them under the umbrella because they dress like them.
02:19:18.000Just like, you know, same thing with a car.
02:19:19.000If you have a red car in the garage...
02:19:22.000Would you say that what makes a car a car is that it has a coat of red paint and windows or that it has an engine?
02:19:28.000You know, it's like the engine is what makes the car the car.
02:21:14.000Me, personally, I don't think that you should.
02:21:17.000If you are really a human being that wants to get over the hump of racism or wants to be progressive, I don't think that you should be doing that.
02:21:45.000I mean, I get called ching-chong, ling-ling.
02:21:48.000It's not even on the same level, though, because of, like, the history behind the word, and Black people have got to reclaim that word for themselves.
02:21:54.000I don't see why people having the desire to claim ching-chong, ling-ling, they just call each of you for that, so...
02:22:01.000I just, yeah, it's like, yeah, white people can say it, but it's like, you might have black friends that co-opt that and love that for you, but if you go to, like, the wrong area of town or you go somewhere and you're willy-illy saying it, you could get beat up, killed, all that stuff, and so that's on the white person.
02:22:18.000Heaven, do you agree? Do you think that white people should fear being killed or murdered if they say the N-word?
02:25:09.000I've never seen a non-black person, especially a white person or someone that talks like me, where that word rolls off the tongue and doesn't sound just gross and cringy.
02:25:20.000So, I mean, do I think anyone should get a pass?
02:25:23.000I just think people, if they want to use it, use it.
02:25:25.000And the way you're perceived by society is on you.
02:25:30.000I think that when it comes to the N-word and other slurs, it's protected under free speech.
02:25:35.000Like, a lot of conservatives like to say that, oh, I have the free speech to do this.
02:25:39.000Yes, you do, but you also have, you know, to face the consequences.
02:25:43.000So this isn't a matter of, like, should white people, can white people say the N-word?
02:25:49.000Do you still want to say that word knowing that your business will suffer, your social reputation will take a nosedive?
02:25:57.000I don't think people should fear for their life for saying that, but if you want to say that word and consequences come to you, then that's just, you made your bet, so I'm not lying in it.
02:26:09.000Go ahead, Christine. That Lily Gatiss girl that gained 1,000, 20,000 followers for saying the n-word on TikTok and she's getting paid by all these outlets to do interviews.
02:26:20.000There are white people, yes, you use the n-word and you will get loved by people on that side and welcomed into the right wing and the conservative side of So that's why I think some people would want to do that because they want to be edgy and they want to monetize off of that because there are some people that agree with them and think that it's funny and that they'll do that.
02:26:41.000Now she's getting hate by the same people she was appealing to so that never worked out for her.
02:26:45.000Yeah, exactly. People calling her Jewish and things like that.
02:27:04.000It is considered the same in any context.
02:27:07.000If someone utters the word, even if they mean no harm, even if it's not directed at a black person, even if it's not directed in a derogatory way, uttering the word – this is why we call it the N-word.
02:27:17.000We can't even – in the context of this conversation and this proposition, should we say it, should we not say it?
02:27:24.000We're not even allowed to utter the syllables.
02:27:26.000Right. Because we all know we don't want that clip to go around because we get canceled.
02:27:30.000And people on the panel say, if you say it, you should be struck down and killed or beat up some, not all.
02:27:36.000And this is something a lot of people do believe.
02:27:38.000You see videos on the internet where it's like, oh, this guy said the N-word, then this guy hit him with a skateboard and knocked him out.
02:28:02.000In the same way that Christians won't say GD, they won't say...
02:28:05.000That, because it's blasphemy, it's a sin, you go to hell, you have to go to confession.
02:28:10.000It's like that today with the N-word, which like children, we have to, like the F-word, oh I said the S-word, we still have to say the N-word.
02:28:19.000And I think this speaks to the level of the whole country, as we all know, is walking around on eggshells, not to offend the black people.
02:28:29.000We all know you can offend white people, Hispanics.
02:30:35.000We know that the N-word was made to oppress.
02:30:38.000Us taking the N-word back was us reclaiming our power.
02:30:43.000You were trying to say that you using the N-word as funny as you taking a whole population and their history and the abuse that you put them through and you classify them as a joke.
02:30:54.000And then to sit there and be like, oh, it's going to breed equality if we can say it.
02:31:00.000No, it won't. What's going to breed equality is you listening to Black people, hearing their preference when it comes to something that oppresses them, that have painted their history for years because of the actions of others, and take into account and respect that.
02:31:21.000Because if we can respect, not to say cracker or offend any other race...
02:31:29.000If everyone wants equality, shouldn't everyone be able to say any word they want?
02:31:34.000Why are you trying to equate equality to saying words and not basic human things like the right to food, the right to home?
02:31:45.000You're trying to make something fit where it does not have any prevalence.
02:31:52.000I just had a question if you guys in here thought it was wrong for me after getting permission three times to rap on stage with Chief Keith.
02:32:03.000I mean, Chief Keith doesn't speak for the entire community of Black people.
02:32:07.000I'm glad you got to say it and you felt good, but he don't speak for me.
02:32:11.000I love Chief Keith, but he don't speak for me or anybody I know.
02:32:15.000Okay, so you guys do have an issue if white people rap along lyrics to songs?
02:32:24.000If we're constantly telling you the history behind this, and you know the history because it's from your ancestors, why do you want to say it so well?
02:32:32.000Yes, but you didn't go through that. You personally did not.
02:32:35.000We are still recovering from the repercussions of that.
02:32:38.000Okay, what about the Holocaust for Jews?
02:32:58.000But Aiden, I feel like you're drawing a false image.
02:33:00.000But if you can respect that a population of people have been oppressed for so long and went through something so traumatic, why is it so hard for you to be like, oh, OK, they did something.
02:33:26.000If we want equality in the world, we shouldn't be able to be like, alright, this specific group of people cannot do this, but these people can.
02:33:33.000If you want everyone to be equal, we all gotta be equal.
02:33:37.000That's the thing. I'm not telling you what to do.
02:33:41.000If I can respect your Jewish heritage and what you went through, why is it so hard for you to respect my heritage and what my people went through, even though I didn't go through it personally and you didn't go through the Holocaust personally?
02:33:53.000I can respect that and not say anti-Semitic things to you just because it's in a song.
02:33:58.000You don't hear people saying, oh, I can say this, that, other, because it's in a song.
02:34:03.000You don't hear that. That's you wanting that privilege because you want to be aligned with something that you're not aligned with.
02:34:11.000Good point. Like, for example, if in the song they said, like...
02:34:16.000You know, Hitler nigger, that's the nigger that I like.
02:34:19.000You know, you wouldn't like that if they said they liked Hitler on the song.
02:34:22.000They would hate that. I would also add, Italians never called them the N-word.
02:35:04.000I'm not talking specifically you, but I remember you guys boycotting people because they called Trump supporters deplorables, or you'll boycott another company because they said this thing, they said that.
02:35:15.000So I think that both people, like everyone has the free right under the Constitution to boycott and the free market take place whenever someone does something or says something that the country does not approve of.
02:35:27.000So I think it's very hypocritical that you're saying, oh, black people don't let me say this, when you guys will be quick to boycott us if we said something y'all didn't like.
02:35:36.000That's literally just how society works, and there's nothing wrong about it.
02:35:41.000Yeah, I'm just arguing people should be able to say it.
02:35:43.000I agree. I mean, people can react how they want, but I'd also add- But you're saying, oh, good, they're canceling us.
02:35:49.000Do you not think that people should be canceled for saying the N-word?
02:36:16.000But saying a word in any context, like Aiden said, you could say it as part of a song, and I may not be a little edgy, whatever, I may joke about it, but saying a word in the context of a song is obviously harmless.
02:36:28.000You're singing the song, you say the words in a song, you like the artist, you say the word in the song.
02:36:33.000But we've seen legitimately people get shut down because on TikTok, when they do the lip syncing, they do this when they do the N word.
02:36:41.000They say, when the N word comes up, they do this.
02:36:43.000Because it's like even lip, not even saying it, but lip syncing it as part of a song, people consider so immoral that they'll get contracts taken and everything like that.
02:36:52.000I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with uttering a word, even if you might find it offensive.
02:36:56.000And, you know, again, context is everything.
02:36:58.000If someone is using it in a super derogatory way because they hate black people or something like that, I think that is different than people that say it when they're discussing it, people that say it in a song.
02:37:10.000It is a term of endearment among the black people.
02:37:42.000I think that's wrong. I want to ask you a question, Isaac, before you go, to include more people.
02:37:48.000Heaven, you said earlier that people should expect to be beat up or murdered if they say the word.
02:37:52.000Is it the same repercussions that they say the soft A versus the hard R? You know, um, me personally, I just feel like they shouldn't say it at all.
02:38:05.000As a Black person, like, yeah, I can say it, but my family didn't let me say it.
02:38:10.000I feel like it's, I really do feel like it's just, like, classless and tasteless to say.
02:38:16.000Um, I feel like if you want to say that word, like everybody else has said on the panel, like, just expect whatever that happened, happen, you know?
02:38:42.000I agree with the statement that people should be able to say whatever they want.
02:38:47.000What I have a problem with is that Nick Fuentes seems to be of the opinion that whenever they face consequences for saying something that's socially unacceptable, that that's wrong.
02:38:56.000People practice their free speech and boycotting or calling somebody out or, you know, getting fired or, you know, something bad happening to them that isn't against the law.
02:39:15.000Burnout, can I ask you, is it the same level of offensive if a white person said the soft A versus the hard R? I definitely take more offense to the hard R, but if you want to use the A, I'm just going to look at you like,
02:39:31.000you know, you're not a person that would deem of like, you know, Viable character like I'm not you're not really somebody out of respect just off of the strength of that I wouldn't look at you twice I wouldn't consider you like as a person like I wouldn't really give you much I just would be like oh and move on because it doesn't really deserve attention when people who know the history behind it want to say it Still,
02:40:00.000even on that, in the proximity of Black people, it's either out of wanting to be down or wanting to get a rise.
02:40:07.000And in any type of situation, you're going to get neither from me.
02:40:12.000I don't really care to integrate myself into that type of relationship with anyone, especially if we've spoken about it, if you know where I stand and you still choose to do it.
02:40:26.000So... Okay, it sounds like any closing thoughts on this subject?
02:40:34.000I think people are going to do what they want.
02:40:36.000Like I said, there's going to be people like Lily Gatiss and stuff that are going to make platforms and money and off of it because they have that community of people that think that it's funny and edgy and that have the right to do so.
02:40:46.000Same with like, I do see like the R word is like going back.
02:40:50.000Like I see it all the time in my TL. I don't agree with it.
02:40:52.000I don't like saying it, but it's something that is being normalized again.
02:40:56.000And I think that's just something that we're just going to keep seeing evolve in that aspect.
02:41:00.000There's going to be people that still aren't okay with it.
02:41:02.000There are going to be some people that think that it's okay.
02:41:03.000There's going to be some people that will think that they can give a pass, and it's just what it is.
02:41:10.000Okay, I think we can move on to the next subject.
02:41:48.000When people say happy, they mean they want to feel good all the time.
02:41:51.000I think it's really more about loving life when it's, you know, whatever it gives you, whether it's temporary fleeting happiness or the other stuff.
02:41:59.000You have to love all of it. So I would say I'm happy.
02:42:02.000As far as depression is concerned, I definitely think it's real.
02:42:59.000I'm happy. I think happiness is a choice and I think gratitude has to do a lot with it.
02:43:05.000Depression is real and I think it wasn't as common before things like social media or like The wealth gap and things of that nature.
02:43:20.000I don't think it was that prevalent but I did think it existed.
02:43:24.000I think it's real but it's more so a mental state because it's just feeling more so that you are hopeless and that's a feeling but some people get stuck in that feeling and that's when depression develops and I feel like maybe I want to say that It's solvable by just practicing gratitude, but that is more personal to me rather than I can't just apply that to everybody.
02:44:22.000There's environmental aspects where somebody loses their job, they're in a tough financial situation, that can lead them to being depressed.
02:44:29.000And then there are a lot of other people who have everything going for them.
02:44:33.000They are depressed, but we don't know why.
02:44:37.000And I do believe that a lot of people get falsely...
02:44:41.000Diagnosed with depression. Sometimes it's temporary, like situational.
02:44:46.000But depression as a whole, it is real.
02:44:48.000But whether it's environmentally based or something that's inherent to that specific person, that's up for debate.
02:44:59.000Do we have a point of contention, everybody?
02:45:01.000Christine, go ahead. Oh, yeah, I was on the same page as everyone.
02:45:05.000I just think that being content is more important because there are Are people that kind of seek more and more to be happy or need more and more to be happy, whether it's money or like they're seeking fame or whatever it is.
02:45:17.000But there are definitely people that have That it can be genetic, that people within their family have suffered through psychiatric episodes and several mental illnesses.
02:45:27.000And it is up to the individual, of course, to whether they self-medicate.
02:45:31.000But there's other people that cope with it, not through medication, but by drinking or in unhealthy ways or by going to the gym.
02:45:38.000People are like, just go to the gym. You'll feel better.
02:45:44.000I would say that, yeah, I agree with the kind of sentiment everyone has shared.
02:45:49.000I do think that depression does have a genetic and environmental component.
02:45:53.000We do know that people can have genetic predispositions to it, which proves that there is some type of genetic component to it.
02:45:58.000But I do think a lot of it is environmental.
02:46:00.000And when we're seeing rates rise really high like they are right now, It can very well be attributed to lack of community, lack of personal relationships.
02:46:09.000There's a really good book by Johan Hari called Lost Connections that really goes into this, being socioeconomically depressed or being not able to support yourself, not finding meaning in your job.
02:46:19.000All of these things can affect you getting depressed, right?
02:46:23.000And there's obviously an epigenetic component and all of that.
02:47:15.000Hold on a second. Everyone, we're going to basically, we're just going to say final words to close this thing off.
02:47:22.000Appreciate everyone's time and all you guys were awesome.
02:47:25.000You guys just want to say like something that you guys have learned or something that you highly want to emphasize on your closing statement.
02:47:31.000Go ahead. We'll start with you for now.
02:47:32.000Go ahead. I just want to say thank you for letting me express my thoughts.
02:47:39.000I respect everybody's disposition or their right to have the disposition because I don't agree with everything.
02:47:49.000And I don't know, just thank you for giving me a space to express thoughts that differ from what you usually become.
02:47:56.000For sure. All right. Nick, do you have anything to say to her?
02:48:01.000No, I'll address the whole group, but yeah, thanks for joining the panel.
02:48:05.000Thank you for having me. I hope you have a good night and think about what happened here.
02:48:12.000You too. Burnout, can you give Nick the effort before you leave?
02:50:27.000Yeah, that was, uh, we had to change some of the questions during the conversation because it was pretty clear that they didn't really know what they were talking about.
02:50:34.000So we made it more like juvenile and simple.
02:50:37.000I think like starting off with Kamala Trump was kind of, it was not the right idea.
02:50:40.000So I tried to make it more comedic towards the end.
02:50:58.000I mean, they were good sports about it, but I don't think in fairness, I don't think they were debaters, you know, like Dean, too, even though he's crying and everything and, you know, he's right up with me.
02:51:44.000I represent kind of the opposite view.
02:51:46.000And I'm really not trying to score slam dunks and say, oh, well, I got you in my trap.
02:51:52.000I'm trying to get people think about a totally different way of thinking in the sense that, you know, you could see so much of the talk is, well, everyone should vote.
02:52:02.000Women have rights. Everybody has these unexamined assumptions about how the world is and how it should be.
02:52:08.000And the job is less to say, oh, hey, Republicans are right.
02:52:12.000Vote Republican. It's more about maybe we need to examine our fundamental assumptions about the world and these liberal views we all have about the world.
02:52:30.000I thought it was fun. I think you were expecting that, and so was I. I was expecting it to get a little dirty.
02:52:35.000I think you started that way, like saying, oh, let's get a man on to fix the mic and all this.
02:52:39.000And then you realized that it was pretty, you know, that this was just a conversation to get them thinking that was the more important strategy.
02:52:45.000When did you realize to shift your debate strategy?
02:52:49.000Well, you know, towards the end, it was kind of like, it was slowing down a little, so I was like, we gotta just get some content in there.
02:52:58.000It's so cheap, but it's like, I'll say the N-word.
02:53:20.000I'm a little disappointed. I threw out Moulinan.
02:53:22.000I threw out Shine. I was thinking someone's going to take the bait.
02:53:25.000They were all pretty disciplined to their credit.
02:53:27.000I tried to. I shifted the questions to get more debate because in the beginning it was too rhetorical and just everybody speaking like a classroom.
02:53:34.000So I changed the questions to be more provocative and none of them really got...
02:53:38.000Angry. I mean, at one point, you said the word faggot, and the Asian girl just closed her eyes and turned off her camera for a bit.
02:53:43.000But that was it. Isaac seemed like he was swinging a bit, but he seemed to agree with some of the stuff.
02:53:50.000Where we see an overlap is a lot of the leftists agree with the pro-Palestine stuff.
02:53:53.000You're not really pro-Palestine, you're more anti-Israel.
02:53:56.000But there's not that much contention, because they have to concede when it comes to Christianity, because they can see that...
02:54:38.000The questions were good. The questions, you were throwing up these, like, curveballs or softballs, I should say, to kind of get it going, but they were too nice.
02:55:58.000I want to get you somebody who actually can hold their own ground and at least come with something.
02:56:01.000He doesn't know the lore. He brought up Destiny when our mics were muted and I had to tell him about the fresh and fit debate and the whole lore and how many times, like, when he got unbanned on Twitter, the Twitter space, it's like it's been done.
02:56:11.000That debate's happened a hundred times over the past couple years, so we want something new.
02:56:15.000So open an invite to challengers and let's get it a little spicier next time.
03:00:43.000Well, look, Nick, I hope you have a great rest of your night.
03:00:46.000You let me know. Well, I'll coordinate with you when we want to do this E-Day or, again, if any conservatives, liberals, if anybody wants to challenge, come up and debate Nick.
03:00:54.000Let's do it. Everyone, come on, he's down to anyone.
03:00:58.000You know, and the thing about Nick, I could vouch.
03:01:00.000Again, it could be like one hour before the debate.
03:01:02.000You're just ready to go. I really, that is crazy.
03:01:57.000I like to bring the content, but I'm trying to keep it respectful of the platform and not bring down the hammer on you guys because you know how it is with cancel culture.
03:03:52.000So I'm trying to just walk them through the thought process.
03:03:56.000Hey, this is how we view these things.
03:03:58.000Because, believe it or not, although, again, these are not professional debaters, How they responded to those questions, as you know, is like how most people think.
03:04:11.000We talk about women having the right to vote.
03:04:14.000Most people have never even thought about it.
03:04:16.000They just say, well, everyone should have a right to vote.
03:04:19.000We're here. Everyone should have the right.
03:04:21.000And it's like, okay, well, it wasn't like that always.
03:04:37.000I'm more trying to walk people through, let's reconsider...
03:04:42.000Some of these liberal assumptions, you know, even like with the gay adoption, it's like, well, if they want to adopt, they should be able to.
03:04:48.000It's like, okay, what about an alcoholic?
03:05:44.000We're going to put flowers around you, make you feel good.
03:05:48.000It's time to go. It wasn't like a total brutal battle, people getting their throats slit, blood gushing out, people exploding, people's limbs flying everywhere, people getting thrown off of buildings, blowing up when they hit the floor, blowing up when they hit the cement, people getting shot in the head, head explodes. In terms of rhetoric, it wasn't like that at all.
03:06:07.000And that's kind of what I thought it was.
03:06:10.000I was thinking it's going to be like Dead Rising 2, dismemberment and gore is on, realistic gore is on, eyeballs being plucked, skinned face cut right off, face and scalp cut right off, clean cut, people getting cut in half vertically and then falling apart like that.
03:06:28.000I thought it was going to be like that.
03:06:30.000Sore, mostly blades, some high-caliber projectiles, but it wasn't that.