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00:00:03.000If he doesn't agree with me, he's allowed to disrespect me as much as he wants, but he shouldn't expect that I give him an ounce of respect.
00:00:11.000You're trying to interrogate me on what it means to be an American.
00:00:15.000No, we're all interrupting each other.
00:00:22.000You're trying to irrigate me on what it means to be an American and then you're saying, oh, Canadians are like genociding the natives up till 2003.
00:00:28.000No, you never let me finish my thought, but I'm going to stop you because you're obviously not going to have a respectful session with me, so.
00:00:35.000Well, I would just like to point out, back to the substantive issues, you were saying how it's dangerous to say that somebody who doesn't share values isn't American, but my question would be to a lot of people, and this is the operative question,
00:00:50.000Is what does it mean to be an American?
00:00:52.000Because, and you know, before we get on to that, I think it's not a rhetorical question.
00:00:57.000I think a lot of people kind of use that as a gotcha, like, oh, so, you know, you think I'm less of an American, but I mean, what actually does that mean?
00:01:06.000Because I'll tell you that there are a lot of people that come here
00:01:10.000And they will guilt us over, you know, we're not inclusive enough, or our American identity isn't inclusive enough, but yet at the same time, they're not actually willing to give up their own national identity.
00:01:22.000I mean, there are cases, you could even go back into the 1990s, when you would have even sports contests, like a soccer game in LA, and you would have all the Mexican immigrants waving the Mexican flag and cheering against the American team, and it's like,
00:01:36.000They don't even cheer for our sports teams.
00:02:55.000So, but so what you're so okay so this is where I partially agree with with Nick and by the way Nick everybody on these D live things wants me to come quote unquote come home.
00:03:38.000The same is expected everywhere else in every other country.
00:03:41.000If I want to be a German, I obviously need to put German values first.
00:03:46.000It's, it's literally, in my opinion, in my opinion, because what I believe it is God, country, and then we got to worry about all the other stuff underneath.
00:03:54.000And if you're not, if you're not putting your country or where you call yourself that you say you are, then you're not, then you're not wherever you from, you say, or whether that's American, German, you know, European, yada, yada, yada, all that other great stuff that doesn't really matter.
00:04:12.000Before, you know, was that I find that directly, specifically with First Nations people, I'm not talking about immigration here, I'm talking about First Nations people in my country, the idea that they are less Canadian than just white people here are, it's led to a genocide.
00:04:32.000And so I'm very weary about the idea that certain people are less than
00:04:39.000Again, I'm going to ask you to be respectful to me since I respected your time to speak.
00:04:52.000But obviously that's happening in my country, even to the point where their land is actively being taken, land that they've had on treaties and that they live on and that they survive on.
00:05:04.000They're not allowed to leave their reservations, but yet the government doesn't give them things like clean water or electricity.
00:05:11.000But they're not allowed to leave to go get jobs elsewhere.
00:05:13.000They're supposed to stay within their communities.
00:05:16.000And if they leave, they risk facing extreme violence.
00:05:21.000So I'm obviously not super educated on the topic of what makes an American, which is partially what I'm trying to understand.
00:05:30.000Honestly, me as an American citizen too,
00:05:33.000Because obviously my definition of American is just respect American citizen to realize obviously politics is such a huge part of American culture because we have, like when I say I'm appreciating, I don't know, like Spanish culture, there's like, I mean, Hispanic culture, like there's food and there's- I love that food boy, let me tell you something.
00:07:00.000And I understand what you're saying, and I get it, but I think there's a big overemphasis that is placed on the civic aspect of America, and that's, I think, where we're getting lost.
00:07:10.000Because even you talk to Republicans, like that political education guy, and he'll say things like, you know, America was built so that, you know, people can come here, and refugees can come here, and we can all get along.
00:07:33.000The country is organic and has been built over time by people coming here and settling and building and fighting and so on.
00:07:40.000And so when people say that, well, all that America means is like,
00:07:43.000Freedom of discussion or something it ignores.
00:07:46.000I think the much deeper complexities of what national identity is comprised of why do people stick together in their communities and states and regions and so on and And actually for a long time it was race and american identity is something that has changed over time It's something that's complex and different aspects of american identity have have had different levels of salience but for most of america's history being white was part of american identity and specifically being
00:08:14.000English or being Northern European and and these identities have changed over time But what we've seen at this point, maybe you know 50 or a hundred years ago a hundred years ago more aptly the identity of America was It was racially white.
00:08:30.000It was culturally like that Anglo Protestant culture Politically, it was the Constitution and all of that.
00:08:57.000And all that's really left is the civic and political identity.
00:09:01.000That doesn't mean that that's all there ever was.
00:09:03.000That's all that's left after this hollowing out of national identity.
00:09:07.000And I don't believe that's a good development.
00:09:09.000I think we have to at least restore the cultural identity, and we'll see if we can make that work, a nation that's defined by its cultural and political values.
00:09:56.000And when that happens, you see the development of several nations within a country, which is to say that you'll have the Southwest, which is going to be Hispanic.
00:10:05.000You'll have the Pacific Coast, which will be lots of Asians.
00:10:08.000You'll have the Southeast, which will be lots of blacks.
00:10:11.000Whites will be sort of scattered, obviously, all over.
00:10:14.000And at that point, you don't really have any coherent thing that says, well,
00:10:18.000This is a single coherent hole, which is America.
00:10:21.000You have a lot of different things going on, and that's, I think, what everybody's trying to avoid.
00:10:26.000And before anybody calls, says anything, like, I don't, obviously, like I said before, I don't agree everything that Nick says, but some of the stuff that brings up is stuff that I do believe in.
00:10:34.000But before anyone says anything racist about the white thing, I'm not saying anybody will, I will pay you
00:10:40.000Five dollars if you go over to like Europe, like London, ask them what the stereotypical American is and they don't give you examples of some big fat white country dude.
00:10:51.000There's a large misconception, especially people from the anglosphere, specifically America and Canada, that most countries have a birthright citizenship and this is not true, especially in the first world.
00:11:01.000Most countries, especially European ones,
00:11:03.000You have the citizenship of your parents.
00:11:06.000Being born in a country, you will be deported as a baby with your parents because you don't have a right to live there just because your mother happened to give birth on someone else's land.
00:11:14.000And I think that's a very fair standard to be honest.
00:11:16.000There's a lot to unpack before anyone else says anything, because I feel like a lot was just thrown.
00:11:33.000I think what is so beautiful about America is that it changes and the culture has changed but I think where we're struggling at this point is we don't even know what American culture is.
00:11:42.000We cannot identify or define an American because an American can mean anything and I think that's the issue.
00:11:58.000I guess the problem I have with you saying that America was originally white was that, um, well, yes, citizens were white, but there was also black slaves and Native Americans that lived on America.
00:12:10.000So I think it was more diverse, but no one was considered an American unless you were white.
00:12:16.000Native Americans actually fall under, I think, Caucasian though.
00:12:46.000I'm just saying that they lived on American, well, what was considered American soil at the time.
00:12:53.000That lived in the 13 colonies, and I guess my more point was the black slaves.
00:12:59.000So you can say that, yes, Americans were considered all white and Anglo, but there were slaves that they were just not considered people and they weren't allowed to participate and contribute to the American culture.
00:13:11.000And I think that's the issue is that now that they are citizens and they have the same fundamental rights as we do, that they don't
00:13:20.000They never got to contribute to the culture, so I think that's kind of another issue.
00:13:52.000I believe Nick mentioned that if I misspoke, but the importance of having a majority race and I personally don't believe that that matters.
00:14:03.000I think that, you know, everybody is the same, you know, just, you know, just because someone has different color skin than somebody else doesn't really make
00:14:22.000There are great people of all different colors.
00:14:24.000There are American people of all different colors.
00:14:26.000And I personally do not believe that the color of your skin has any effect.
00:14:32.000And also, before I stop, I believe that what it is to be an American is to be a citizen of America.
00:14:39.000I believe that you should practice American values and that you should support American values, but by definition, being an American is being a citizen of America, regardless of your background or who you support politically.
00:14:48.000Anyway, you were on, I think you were on the Zoom when I think it was Baith, Baith Catholic or someone, he brought up the the Putnam studies from Bowling Alone and a couple other papers.
00:14:59.000Diversity, ethnic diversity, decreases social capital and makes low-trust societies, societies you don't want to live in, like the favelas in Brazil,
00:15:07.000You may say that you can love an individual who's of a different race, and of course you can.
00:15:11.000And of course there's great people in this country who aren't just white.
00:15:14.000I mean, specifically in the America First movement, there's people like Justin KG and JD, who I don't want to use as tokens, but they are truly my friends.
00:15:20.000Like, we play Animal Crossing all the time together.
00:15:23.000Oh my god yeah shut up but my point is that no one's saying that you should like judge an individual based on something they didn't choose but the the security and the uh continuation of a nation is not like some like hippie lovey oh let's be nice and hold hands kumbaya because the people we're letting in don't think that way they think in racial terms
00:15:46.000And if you're saying we shouldn't think in racial terms or in ethnic terms, but they do, right?
00:15:50.000They create their own enclaves in the country.
00:15:52.000You can see that in certain districts of New York.
00:15:55.000Like I brought up the Somalian, little Somalian Minnesota.
00:16:00.000And it's not conducive to a society that wants to maintain itself if you're throwing away the core, if you're throwing away social capital, if you're making a low-trust society in the name of not judging people based on physical attributes.
00:18:00.000Um, and I am not sure what, uh, paleoconservatism is.
00:18:04.000So, I don't know if anybody on here is a paleo- I've been told that they believe in a theocracy, which I disagree with, because I think separates the church and state, but I don't know if that's true.
00:18:13.000So, if anybody on here is a paleoconservative, or if anybody knows what that is, I would love it if you could explain that to me, because I am uneducated in that aspect.
00:18:26.000Yeah, I was about to say, we have King Paleo-Conservative himself in the chat.
00:18:33.000So, there's actually a little bit of history involved, which is, you kind of have to go back to, like, where modern conservatism originates in America, which is in the aftermath of World War II.
00:18:45.000I'm gonna empty my spirit and we're gonna kill each other.
00:19:53.000Yet another instance of this conflict in the 1980s and the 1990s.
00:19:59.000This was the advent of the neocons and the paleocons.
00:20:02.000And so the neocons, the origin of the neoconservatives is these guys were Trotskyites.
00:20:08.000They were actually leftists in the 1950s and 60s.
00:20:12.000But what happened in the 1970s is that there was a war between Israel and Palestine, of course, and the Soviet Union was backing the Palestinians and the United States, Richard Nixon, he saved the Israelis.
00:20:44.000We need to take down the Soviet Union.
00:20:45.000This is where you get this very hawkish, this combination of sort of left-wing cultural, social, and political ideology, but with a hawkish foreign policy.
00:20:55.000So, in the 1980s and the 1990s, there was a big conflict between people like Bill Kristol and William F. Buckley, all these characters, and they basically exiled all the paleocons like Pat Buchanan, Sam Francis, and so on, who were
00:21:13.000In some cases, writing for National Review or were just on the scene, who were far more socially conservative than they were, you know, free market people or they were cold warriors or anything like that.
00:21:25.000So that was really the genesis of the conflict.
00:21:27.000But the reason I'm oversimplifying a lot of that, but the reason I bring it up is because
00:21:32.000What I'm trying to say is the people that have inherited conservatism in the past 40 years have been the neocons.
00:21:39.000The people that have taken over and defined conservatism are people that are in favor of free markets and small government and low taxes and foreign wars.
00:21:46.000And the people that have been buried, essentially,
00:21:49.000Ostracized from the movement and forgotten by history and not venerated and their books are out of print are the social conservatives, the paleocons, people like Pat Buchanan and all the rest who said that what conservatism really means is actually it's more about maintaining the social fabric.
00:23:02.000So I guess like another question I have is, do paleo-conservatives believe in the separation of church and state?
00:23:08.000That the church, I mean, sorry, that the government shouldn't be telling what the church and like different religions to do and the church shouldn't be involved in the government.
00:23:13.000Do they believe in that or do they believe in a theocracy?
00:23:17.000Well, you know, I hear this a lot, and I've heard this a lot in the Zoom calls about the separation of church and state.
00:23:23.000And honestly, this is like one of the most misunderstood doctrines in American history.
00:23:27.000People think that, well, number one, the separation of church and state is not in the Constitution.
00:23:32.000It's not in the Declaration of Independence.
00:23:35.000But the point of the separate, the origins of that was,
00:23:38.000So that the government would not be married to the church, and then actually corrupting the church was the problem.
00:23:44.000What people interpret it now to mean is that if you are a legislator and you're informed by your religion, then that is somehow wrong.
00:23:51.000Or you know, the government might have prayer in public schools.
00:23:54.000But none of these things really violate the separation of church and state.
00:23:57.000It's talking about institutionally the separation of the institution of a church and the institution of government.
00:24:03.000But it doesn't mean that if you're a Christian,
00:24:04.000That you're not going to legislate based on your morality because of course, all law is informed by morality every decision in our entire worldview is informed by our religious beliefs.
00:24:15.000So, you know, so for example like when I look at.
00:24:43.000So it's not that we don't, it's not that we want, theocracy is when church is the government, when the religious authorities are the state government.
00:24:57.000Going back to what you said about like the gay marriage and everything and how people say that like it's a theocracy, one of like the biggest things that I am concerned with or that I find interesting and worry about is that the fact that some people think that it should be mandatory for a priest or a minister to wed a same-sex couple.
00:25:16.000Because personally, I disagree with same-sex marriage.
00:25:20.000I mean, it doesn't affect me and I have no problem saying that because it's my belief and it's my faith and I'm proud of it.
00:25:25.000But I do not think that any religious leader should be forced to wed a gay couple if it goes against their religious beliefs because you're asking them to put their morals to the side, and that's why I like the separation of church and state, but that's one thing that's concerning whenever people are saying that we shouldn't have a separation of church and state.
00:25:43.000I completely agree with the fact that we should never force someone, like a priest or a pastor or any religious figure to marry because that's just, that goes against everything.
00:26:11.000And gay marriage just is not a part of Christianity, it never has been, and it isn't right now, so I just don't see the reason that people are trying to force pastors and priests.
00:26:22.000Yeah, I don't think the government should have a say in who can get married to who, but I also don't think that the government should also have a say in what priests and religious figures are supposed to do in the church either.
00:26:47.000Do your own research and then formulate your own opinion.
00:26:50.000I'm pretty, I'm like well-rounded on most things, but the whole political spectrum, it's like there's a million one of political affiliations.
00:29:51.000My question now is, I'm trying to educate myself on the pro-life movement because I'm proud to say I'm pro-life now.
00:29:57.000I know a lot of people probably agree, like, um, the abortionists, like, assuming that, like, Roe v. Wade gets overturned, and, like, abortion's made illegal, like, assuming that a woman decides to get an abortion, and the abortion is conducted, and the woman is found out, um, I think we all agree that the abortionists should get sent to prison for murder, because, I mean, it's fucking murder, but what should be done with the woman who got the abortion, like, conducted on her?
00:30:27.000you know there's something isn't there a law accessory to murder or something like that yeah yeah i think somewhere along that lines yeah also if it is a rule a law is illegal you uh you're breaking the law so obviously there's gonna be some reprim what
00:30:49.000Hey, for anyone holding up their, uh, screen up to the, uh, yeah, their phone up to their screen, it's backwards, my guy.
00:30:59.000But yeah, no, if you're breaking a law of some sort, I think it could possibly, if it's at that stage, be along the lines of accessory to murder or something like that.
00:31:08.000I definitely see where you're coming from.
00:31:10.000I mean, from my perspective, I think the main purpose of the pro-life movement is to convince women and show them why abortion is wrong and why it's morally reprehensible and it's a terrible thing.
00:31:42.000I actually do have a question about abortion in a situation.
00:31:47.000I don't know about I don't know if it's different for the pro-life movement because I'm really uneducated on the pro-life movement.
00:31:53.000Is there any situation where abortion would be legal?
00:31:56.000I'm always, I'm super confused about that.
00:31:58.000The only exception, I mean for me, the only exception should be when the woman's life is in danger.
00:32:03.000I know some people believe in like the rape exception and the incest exception.
00:32:07.000I don't believe in either of those, okay?
00:32:09.000Just because like, just because something terrible happened to you doesn't make the value of the life inside the womb any less valuable regardless of what happened to you.
00:32:19.000There's still like a life limit given in the womb and the baby's life still matters regardless, so
00:32:24.000Again, I think the only time abortion should be allowed is when the woman's life is in danger, but I don't think anybody considers that to be abortion, so.
00:33:33.000I've been watching some of your debates, and I know you mentioned that in high school, you used to be a libertarian.
00:33:39.000And so I'm kind of curious, was there a specific event or something that pushed you?
00:33:50.000Well, it was sort of a culmination of events during the election, but the biggest thing to me is that when I was in high school, I was a libertarian.
00:33:59.000And the reason why is because the economics of it made sense to me, you know, and I still largely believe in a lot of the economic principles.
00:34:07.000And even things like free trade like my understanding of free trade hasn't changed in the sense that you know free trade is going to create like short term benefit or whatever but just looking at it from a different angle about producers and consumption versus production and balance of payments.
00:34:22.000Anyway, so what I always thought, though, when I was libertarian is I could never answer this for myself.
00:34:28.000I would say to myself, why is liberty the highest governing principle?
00:34:32.000You know, I always, like, would say, well, it's about individual liberty, and individual liberty is great because it's maximizing our economic potential, blah, blah, blah.
00:34:40.000But I could never answer for myself morally why liberty was the highest principle.
00:34:44.000And when I got to college, and the more that I saw what was happening with
00:34:49.000Immigration and voting patterns like I got really into the election and and I don't know if I could go through all of this Quickly, but you know, my first realization was the relationship between media and government I said, you know The media is so controlled and it's so left-wing that no matter who's gonna be president from from the Republican ticket
00:35:10.000Out of all the candidates, they're going to have a really hard time because the media is controlling everything.
00:35:16.000Initially, I went from Ted Cruz, a constitutionalist, to Donald Trump, not even because I like Donald Trump's policies, but because I said he can fight back against the media.
00:35:24.000So there's sort of like this institutional consciousness that, you know, maybe Trump isn't with me on the policies, but he can fight the media and you need that in a president.
00:35:40.000And I looked at state after state and the problem that I was seeing, it was the demographics.
00:35:44.000You know, I looked at a graphic on poll and it said, here's if only white people voted, here's if only blacks voted, here's if only women voted, et cetera.
00:35:52.000And the only map where Donald Trump is winning is the white man map, not the women map, not the black map, not the whatever.
00:35:58.000And I said, well, I know that the Republican policies are the ones that work.
00:36:03.000Fiscally and every other way, like Democrat policies are insane.
00:36:07.000So the only people that are getting it right are the white people.
00:36:09.000So something has to be done about immigration just for that.
00:36:12.000If we want to fight for life and for our rights and for economic liberty and so on, we need to shut down immigration.
00:36:19.000And then I went to... This is the last thing.
00:36:21.000I went to college and I was just exposed to so many leftists.
00:36:26.000Like I went to this Antifa march the night before the inauguration and there was this huge black block going down the street, smashing cars, like threatening people.
00:36:35.000And just some guy came up to me, I was wearing a MAGA hat, and he said, we're going to like string you up from a lamppost.
00:36:40.000And we almost like got in a big fight.
00:36:43.000And I realized in that moment, just seeing that march and thinking about leftists,
00:36:47.000It's particularly about women, actually.
00:36:49.000I said, you look at these screaming, banshee, leftist women, and facts and logic aren't going to win these people over.
00:36:56.000You're not going to debate these people out of their positions.
00:36:58.000And Antifa, you're not going to sit them down and explain to them the Laffer Curve and everything.
00:37:03.000At a certain point, these people have to just be put in jail.
00:37:06.000These people that are just going through the streets and destroying stuff, they just have to be arrested.
00:37:13.000My realization fundamentally was, we are not going to win the culture war by having arguments.
00:37:19.000At a certain point, we have to win over enough people that we can gain power, and then use power to achieve our interests.
00:37:25.000And then, you know, those, like, realizations along the way basically just made me very skeptical of the idea of liberty, of democracy, of republicanism.
00:37:33.000It really made more sense to me that we needed politics that's driven by goals and interests than really by principles.
00:37:40.000We want to just, like, make the country good.
00:38:12.000All these people that are telling me, I've been watching on TikTok, they're talking about Bastiat and Rousseau and Hobbes and Locke and John Adams and Milton Friedman.
00:38:39.000I'm in my senior year of high school right now, and going into my senior year, I was also a libertarian, but after watching your show, I'm like, you know, I think this guy makes a lot of good points, because I noticed the conservative movement's definitely becoming, like, they're definitely sitting more to the left, you know?
00:38:54.000Because like 10 years ago, gay marriage was a big thing, and now you have people like Charlie Kirk and Rob Smith that are, like,
00:39:01.000Pro gay marriage and everything and so it definitely made me maybe start thinking and so um I think the thing that I've got the most from your streams are like condoning and platforming degeneracy only breeds further degeneracy and I think that's something something I've learned so I appreciate all the work you do you're doing good stuff so thank you
00:39:24.000Um, I've noticed a few people physically raising their hands for a while.
00:39:29.000Like, Timia and Tori, I don't, I don't, they both have been like raising their hands like physically for like, probably like half an hour or so.
00:40:41.000As a, you know, a first generation Jewish daughter of immigrants, yada yada, whole thing, my parents were, yeah, my parents, my dad basically fled communist Hungary to Germany when he was a little kid, and so, you know,
00:41:08.000Then I took one, and I got democratic socialism, which, you know, I was a little confused on, because I mean, I didn't really agree with all of Bernie's stuff, and I don't know, I'm just, you know, I'm a centrist on some stuff, and yeah.
00:41:36.000So I took this test, what was like left values, and I got centrist Marxism.
00:41:44.000And I was so scared slash confused because I was like, first of all, my dad's gonna kill me because no, you know, he's been through hell and fricking back.
00:41:53.000But my question for you, Fatty, is like, at what point do you consider, like, the left side to be communist?
00:42:45.000Someone took a step on the bottom step and tripped and fell and busted their face.
00:42:50.000Like it doesn't, you know, so I consider, I consider when you start to get into communism is when you start like, oh, we're going to tiptoe a little bit into, into, into socialism.
00:42:57.000Like we have obviously socialism practices in our government, right?
00:43:00.000We have, you know, social security, social security checks, all that great stuff.
00:43:05.000Just more numbers I got to memorize, but I think communism starts to take birth and is conceived in socialism.
00:44:01.000I just... Yeah, it's the tough thing to say.
00:44:04.000To say people like, I certainly ain't, my family ain't full-fledged American, obviously, and you know, I don't have, I don't have, unlike Elizabeth Warren, who has like, what is it?
00:44:15.000One in three hundred million percent Native American.
00:44:42.000me get people getting along like this especially teenagers i mean i'm like looking at this and it's like MAGA hats and i'm like okay let me ask you this what do you have against MAGA hats let me hear literally nothing literally i mean okay i just feel like it's slightly culty but i don't mean it in a mean way don't yell at me please i'm not gonna say that bernie bros aren't just as culty they are they are i swear to god
00:45:10.000It's like the Bernie bros and the Trump supporters are these cults and they like they're these leaders and they'll just like blindly support this.
00:45:16.000Alright, y'all calm down in Jake's chat now.
00:46:04.000I don't know, it's just, I know I researched that past, apparently it's super, it like, will put you three, um, three spots down, and three, like three spots, it's super prone to putting you into the libertarian left square.
00:47:52.000Okay um yeah I'm not kind of that kind of kind of killed my argument all right so
00:48:02.000Do you have, do you hold a sense of pride for your country, right?
00:48:05.000Like, do you put, oh my God, I'm going to say it again and everyone in the chat, everyone's going to be freaking out, you're going first, America's best!
00:48:11.000Would you put your country, American, America, would you put America first, right?
00:48:22.000It depends on what- Are you going to make, would you, would you rather see the health of America come first before any other little country that has like 500 different consonants in it?
00:48:39.000I actually have an I love Israel flag right there.
00:48:44.000I'm I'm yeah I don't I don't want to get into the Israel Palestine thing is so difficult and it's so confusing for me too because I did my freaking I did my trip there for my whatever it's called and um.
00:48:56.000Did you see the tank that was sitting across the river?
00:48:59.000I saw yeah I saw both I went to Gaza I was like.
00:50:07.000Um, so I just have a few things that I wanted to say before, uh, ask my question.
00:50:13.000The question's really quick, so it's not that big of a deal.
00:50:16.000Um, but in the previous, uh, thing at the beginning, I think when HW started talking, I think about, uh, the Minnesota incident, he was talking about how the immigrants are like pushing for the blue, like pushing for a blue state and like the radical ideas.
00:50:45.000So that I was just saying, because I think like what I'm saying is right.
00:50:50.000That, um, a reason that Donald Trump won Florida in the 2016 election is because Cuban immigrants, uh, voted red, which helped him in numbers, gaining those electoral votes.
00:51:04.000There are exceptions to the rules, obviously.
00:51:17.000Like, obviously, people from socialist countries that are escaping socialism, I doubt are gonna want to vote for socialist policies again.
00:51:23.000Cubans that have gone through straight-up actual communism aren't probably gonna vote for anything that'll lead them back towards communism again.
00:51:29.000So there are exceptions to the rules, but the vast majority don't.
00:51:34.000Uh, I mean, I was not giving the thumbs up immediately because it's not specifically that they're going blue.
00:51:40.000In many cases, immigrants do vote blue.
00:51:43.000It's more that they're thinking and voting in their own ethnic interests.
00:51:47.000And that's why a lot of Cubans actually vote conservatively is because we have a special relationship with Cuba and the way we take people who have been like, it's almost like a form of refugee status.
00:51:59.000That's all I want to say is that it's not that they're necessarily voting blue.
00:52:03.000It's that they're voting in their ethnic interest and we imported people into Minnesota who are not from Minnesota and have drastically changed Minnesota because of that.
00:52:59.000I don't even drive a gas or like, I got a diesel that rolls coal.
00:53:03.000And then my secondary option is a 1981 AM or 1989 AM general Humvee that pumps out diesel as well.
00:53:11.000We're not killing as many of the ozone as, as everyone else.
00:53:16.000Plus I think people, when they talk about like, this is a clean energy deal, you know, environment, like the clean energy solutions tend to damage the environment more.
00:53:24.000Like if you look at the wind turbines.
00:53:26.000They whack out more birds than duck hunters in Arkansas do during duck season.
00:53:31.000It's a weird thing because everyone's like, we need to fix our environment and then they try to fix the environment and it's like picking your scab.
00:53:41.000It's just never gonna heal because you just keep doing stupid stuff to it.
00:53:47.000I think the problem with that is there's people like that they're like I love the environment I'm gonna buy a metal straw and I'm gonna drive an electric car so I think that's the issue with like that's the perception of people that care about the environment when I I did what I could I mean I
00:54:05.000A dependent, I can't really like change my entire life to be completely environmental friendly.
00:54:13.000I switched to supporting local businesses for my food and that kind of stuff.
00:54:18.000And I think the best solution would just kind of be to try to get larger corporations to transition over to clean energy because I mean more like solar energy, but, um,
00:54:32.000The problem you run into with solar energy though is you're destroying the environment looking for the batteries for it.
00:54:39.000There's lots of solutions and we haven't really figured out what is going to work the best, but I think we can all acknowledge that we aren't really treating the earth like we should.
00:56:14.000We just gotta, I think we should be investing in research and that's all we can really do at this moment.
00:56:20.000Yeah, I mean, we don't have the money to invest.
00:56:23.000We're currently trying to bail out a bunch of people that are screaming for money and then turn around and spend their stimulus checks on luxury items instead of rent and whatnot.
00:56:31.000So we're so screwed up from the floor up to be honest with you.
00:57:21.000I believe in cutting down on military spending and ending all unnecessary involvement in the regime change wars taking place in the Middle East.
00:57:48.000I think it's closer to 700 billion, yeah.
00:57:51.000I think- Yeah, that's like- If you combine the top- out of the top four, the top- the second, third, and fourth, they can't- they aren't even-
00:58:00.000Like as much as we're spending, it's where I just think it's an unnecessary amount.
00:58:05.000Obviously, I realize that you need a military to defend your country.
00:58:11.000We're not in a point where any American is really being directly put in danger.
00:58:21.000Yeah, I'm against the wars but I'm in favor of the spending.
00:58:24.000Yeah, that's what kind of stand on it like we need like we didn't we need it like most of the reason that people don't mess with this is one we have these two great natural borders that come in the form of oceans, and two, because if you try to will literally wipe you off the map.
00:58:40.000at that point it's i wouldn't you'll make your country accept gay marriage humiliation defeat literally like we have but on a real note like you see like north korea is like trying to test like nuclear rockets and then you have like china that has a bunch of nudes and russia like
00:58:58.000if we at this point if we slow our budget down we no longer are like no one's really gonna fear us anymore and and and not in like i'm scared that you're gonna like i'm a fear into trying to not do anything stupid to get their country all to afford so just basic stuff like that but how are we affording this because he cut taxes and then upspending and we're going into even more debt than we started with and yeah
00:59:43.000He didn't explain it great, in my opinion, but the strategy is, number one, that if you lower the rate, there will be more compliance and people will be more willing to pay a lower rate and not hide their money overseas or in other ways.
00:59:59.000But the other way is that the less taxes there are, in theory, the more investment there is, and the more investment there is, the more taxable income there is.
01:00:09.000You know, you grow the tax base by growing the economy, you grow the economy by freeing up capital for investment and for consumption.
01:00:17.000In theory, it is possible to grow the economy with lower taxes.
01:00:21.000Obviously, we're spending too much money on mandatory spending, which is entitlements like Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid.
01:00:31.000And we're also spending too much on everything else.
01:00:33.000So, what has to be reformed is entitlements.
01:01:02.000So, unless and until we raise the retirement age, reduce benefits, or we find another source of tax income, I mean, like, it's just not going to work.
01:01:11.000And that's the problem, is the whole, the fiscal and the monetary situation is just completely unsustainable and unworkable.
01:01:17.000So, but when people try to say, oh, well, if we cut military spending, I mean, the deficits are more than we're increasing military spending by.
01:01:24.000I mean, we would have to, like, halve our military budget, even make a dent in the deficits.
01:02:10.000We do have a lot to do with money and at this point,
01:02:14.000The only thing, in my opinion, we back up our talking money with is gold.
01:02:19.000Even though the people say the gold standard, we say we have gold, and then obviously we, you know, if you don't accept our currency, we'll roll 300 M1 Abrams through your face, so.
01:03:10.000Well, I think he kind of solved it during the military spending thing with when you said like, well, that's why no one messes with us because we spend so much.
01:03:19.000I think I was going to try and butt in with that, but now it's kind of a little late.
01:04:03.000You ever gone on TikTok and you see these people calling like these folks in sales and then putting like these 300 like they'll put all these lyrics of a Nicki Minaj song with 500 different emojis on them.
01:04:24.000Like I go down in the comic sections, the comic sections, Jesus Christ, comment sections, and then look for like jokes or something.
01:04:33.000And then all I see is like, like these little like emojis and all these lyrics.
01:04:37.000And I'm like, dude, my day has been ruined.
01:04:41.000But yeah, a Barb is someone who like, I guess you could say stands Nicki Minaj, but at the same time has a political agenda for Bernie, which that boy got out the race.
01:06:23.000So, the phrase poison the well comes from during the Black Plague in medieval times.
01:06:30.000What would happen is that the plague would be spread through the water supply.
01:06:35.000There was suspicion that people were getting sick in the towns and the villages because the water supply was poisoned.
01:06:41.000And who they blamed, and you know, there is evidence for this, who they blamed at the time was Jewish people because they found that the Jewish people in the town were not getting sick.
01:07:37.000It's derived from people's blood when they have when they experience like an adrenaline rush and like what it does is it's 16 times more powerful than DMT.
01:08:05.000But what that means is that they're not, it's not like a normal hallucinogen, it means they're going to another plane.
01:08:12.000And so if adrenochrome is 16 times more powerful, then what we can say is that they are basically communing with
01:08:20.000other entities on a spiritual level and the way that they extract adrenochrome is by torturing people because that's how you extract it is from when people experience trauma when people experience panic the fight-or-flight response so the theory is that the our elites are doing human trafficking so they can harvest adrenochrome and they're basically addicted to getting high on it and communing with evil spirits
01:08:59.000To Morgan, if you want some more like memetic stuff, funny stuff, Pantherden has some fun stuff you could watch where it has interesting symbols that make you think.
01:09:08.000When it comes to stuff like the Finders Keepers cult and stuff like that, Mr. Medeker is a good resource.
01:09:14.000He has a lot of like three hour videos where he looks at FBI documents and all sorts of stuff.
01:09:22.000Also, Sharia LaBeouf is pretty good with some Saturn stuff.
01:09:26.000It's a good introduction to learn more about Saturn and demons and all that kind of stuff.
01:09:33.000Okay yeah you're gonna have a much harder time than than you used to finding stuff like that on the internet because it used to be you could just I mean it was just everything was out there you'd go on YouTube.
01:09:43.000I uh when I was like 11 years old I was like clicking through like YouTube like recommended videos and I was like 11 years old and I watched uh one of Alex Jones's old movies and that was like
01:10:13.000It's basically been replaced by like a Shane Dawson type of video where it's like, it's like this surface level conspiracy theory.
01:10:22.000He talked about the Illuminati for the longest time, but no one wants to go into like, who's behind the Illuminati, what it really stands for.
01:10:32.000It's just like this surface level, basically white girl conspiracy theory.
01:10:36.000Holy cow, Alice in Wonderland, we have gone down the rabbit hole full fledged.
01:11:33.000She said, I don't know if this is you or who is on the Zoom or not, but I was wondering if there was any way I could be unmuted for the remainder of the Zoom.
01:12:50.000My hyperborean brother, how are you, my man?
01:12:54.000Well, unfortunately, Bhakti, my Indo-European brother, left, but I guess I wanted to bring up some stuff, you know, the whole socialism shit.
01:13:06.000A lot of the times, you know, these conservative ink types will use the word socialism to fearmonger for more, you know, libertarian economic stuff.
01:13:17.000I'll get into the immigration part of it later, really quickly.
01:13:19.000I'm not going to say anything about it.
01:13:22.000Essentially, the whole welfare state thing, which people consider socialist, isn't really socialist.
01:13:29.000And the reason why I think that's poignant is because the actual socialist aspect of it, the communists, right?
01:13:36.000Like if you go on LeftyPoll, they hate the soc-dems, the social democrats, because by offering up a welfare state, you actually
01:13:45.000Take people away from these fringe ideologies like communism.
01:13:49.000That's what Otto von Bismarck did sort of in a proto fashion where he had a... He provided state services and stuff for the workers so that they can move away from the socialist parties and move more towards German nationalism, unification, stuff like that.
01:14:05.000But anyway, to get to the less nerdy stuff, the...
01:14:10.000The immigration argument about my GDP going up because of immigration, that's actually false.
01:14:16.000There was a Harvard study about it by a guy named Borjas, who's from Cuba, found that of the, I think, 1.7 trillion dollars that GDP increases, so it's a lot due to immigration, but here's the thing, 1.6 trillion, 97.8% of it goes back to the immigrants, right?
01:14:36.000Pretty much all of it just goes back to them in the form of wages or, you know, profits from their little shops they've got.
01:14:42.000And the rest 2.2% goes back to the, you know, business owners that are making money from hiring them.
01:14:50.000Now the actual costs of immigration is just getting more competition for jobs.
01:15:17.000Proportionally speaking, American workers do move more towards managerial roles during waves of immigration because
01:15:25.000That's where they tend to cluster, right?
01:15:26.000Like, you're going to hire an American to be an overseer for a bunch of farm workers because he's the only one who can speak English, right?
01:15:34.000And again, they're also been proven to be more efficient workers.
01:15:38.000So yes, you have a proportional shift towards the managerial roles, but we're still losing the jobs at the end of the day.
01:15:46.000It's not like there's new jobs coming in.
01:15:48.000No, we're just moving into different jobs.
01:15:50.000We're losing the old jobs and the wages for those are being suppressed.
01:15:56.000And about the whole civilizational argument about Sub-Saharan Africa, Bhapti also did bring up about how there was great trade with India and China.
01:16:06.000The East African coast is pretty much colonized by either the Abyssinian peoples, which aren't really Sub-Saharan African at all, or Arabs.
01:16:16.000For example, the country of Zanzibar, it comes from the word Zanzibazar, which means
01:16:47.000Civilizationally speaking, I guess, you know, you could there's an excuse for that is because of the isolation they face I'm willing to give that some credence I guess mostly because I don't know entire part of it But like West Africa which had plenty of contact with the outside world I mean, you know, you see you don't see West Africa writing the Vedas and the Upanishads or like the Odyssey do you right even though there's like, you know people talk about Monsa Musa how he destroyed the economy of
01:17:16.000Egypt and Italy due to how rich he was.
01:17:20.000I mean, the Aztecs were literally swimming in gold and shit, but in fact, the matter is being rich doesn't necessarily show civilizational prowess.
01:17:29.000I mean, they had complex societies, but it's not really exactly, you know, a Garthiteer society or anything like that.
01:17:37.000But outside of that, yeah, I mean, I just, I just request you to not mute me because I think I have some salient points, but I'll mostly keep quiet.
01:18:48.000So was there, was there no question in there, or?
01:18:51.000No, I just wanted to, I wanted to debate Bhakti and stuff, but unfortunately he left.
01:18:57.000Both of y'all know a lot of big words, and I don't know any big words except for supercalifragilisticexpialidocious, which isn't- Yeah, no, um, Patty, that's about it.
01:21:04.000I was going to ask to Nick and Jayden.
01:21:08.000You know, we've seen with the Groyper Awards coming in and showing face in the neoconservative areas.
01:21:18.000How do you think we can do that and, you know, have political influence in, like, actual party politics when, you know, the main conservative parties are run by neocons?
01:21:29.000Well, your hat's in my zone, so keep it brief.
01:21:35.000That is a difficult question because it's going to take a long time.
01:21:39.000I mean, you've seen people try to go in overtly and directly, like James Alsup,
01:22:14.000An anti-America First position to be in the establishment, and vice versa.
01:22:19.000You know, all the Groyper sympathizers got fired from Turning Point.
01:22:23.000So, what's happened now is that if you set off any alarm bells or red flags that you're not on board with the system, they will make everyone aware of that, they will exile you, they will blacklist you.
01:22:35.000I've seen it happen to a lot of my friends actually, Scott Greer being one, other people who work at Daily Caller, people who work in Congress.
01:22:44.000So at least for now in the short term to get in politics, you literally just have to infiltrate and maybe in 10 years when the landscape changes and we have a ton of people in there, then we can reveal the power levels and we could change our strategy.
01:25:34.000Why is it so economic status or just oppression of the race over the years?
01:25:41.000Yeah, see, to me, I think that police and law enforcement go where the crime is, and we know where the crime is.
01:25:47.000We know what neighborhoods, and I don't think that's strictly a socioeconomic thing.
01:25:52.000I think it is predominantly a racial thing.
01:25:55.000So, I would say that, you know, because people like to bring up racial profiling as an example of why law enforcement is unjust.
01:26:02.000I think that it's just an example of law enforcement being efficient because, I mean, it's sort of like with terrorism.
01:26:10.000Like, of course, we should racial profile terrorists because, you know, who are going to be the terrorists?
01:26:16.000It's generally going to be Islamic terrorism and it's going to be
01:26:19.000You know, not like there's no white Muslims, but generally they're going to be Arab, right, or West Asian or South Asian, something like that.
01:26:27.000So I think that racial profiling is basically backed up by statistics, and it's really more about economy of information.
01:26:33.000You can't arrest everybody and find all crime everywhere, but you can go to where most of the crime is, and you can find most of the crime based on statistics.
01:27:58.000It's Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Al-Shabaab, and Boko Haram.
01:28:02.000And then the fifth is a large resistance army.
01:28:04.000And then, so they, most of those things believe, and that's not saying all Muslims are terrorists, but most of those all have another pillar of faith called, what is it, I mean, Jihad, right?
01:28:23.000There's five pillars of faith and a sixth, Jihad.
01:28:26.000Basically, if you're deemed an infidel, me, anyone else that doesn't believe in their faith, if you're not willing to convert, then you're not worth being here, so...
01:29:19.000What do you think that we could do to try to stop like this?
01:29:31.000We should basically just have like a police state like I really liked when Donald Trump said that he was going to send the military to occupy Chicago because that that is just frankly what is called for I think that
01:29:42.000I mean, in every neighborhood where this is the case, Baltimore, LA, Chicago, New York, New Orleans, you know, certain neighborhoods and people have just proven that they are not governable under the existing regime, under the existing laws.
01:29:59.000And so we just have to transition to a system that is more workable.
01:30:03.000I mean, you see some of these Chicago public schools, and I see a lot of these videos on like WorldStarHipHop,
01:30:09.000I mean, that is a microcosm and representative of what is happening on a broader level, which is to say that, I mean, they are allowed all these liberties and what do they do with them?
01:30:34.000For the benefit of the people there and for everybody else, there just needs to be an occupation, and there just needs to be like draconian laws, and we need to take the people that are committing the crimes and put them in jail.
01:30:44.000And a lot of people see that as a problem that needs to be remedied.
01:30:46.000They say the problem is not the crimes that are being committed, it's the people being locked up for the crimes.
01:30:53.000But it's mass incarceration because it's mass crime.
01:30:56.000And I would rather the people committing the crimes be in jail than on the street.
01:31:00.000I'd rather, you know, have them over there behind walls than see them when I get out on an exit on Sacramento Avenue, you know, in Chicago.
01:31:09.000So that's what I feel about it, is there just needs to be commensurate government to the level of instability.
01:31:15.000Okay, so you don't believe in, like, okay, you believe in mass... I'm not gonna say what you believe in mass incarceration.
01:31:21.000I'm just, like, thinking about what you said.
01:31:24.000But you're saying that there's all these fights and all this stuff.
01:31:27.000How would a military going in... No, don't get me wrong.
01:31:31.000I think extra enforcement, like police enforcement, extra protection in Chicago would be extremely helpful because there is a lot of crime and that's a huge problem in America right now.
01:31:41.000And I don't get how the military would
01:31:45.000I don't inform or educate the kids what not to do after seeing generations of generations of, I do this, this, and this.
01:31:54.000I'm going to be like everybody else in the neighborhood and I'm going to be, like, I feel like there's no educational value in sending military there instead of trying to, like, rehabilitation of stuff like that.
01:32:08.000I just don't really believe in education as a solution.
01:32:10.000I mean, maybe the long-term solution for that instability is to build up, you know, good habits and good traditions and rebuild the family and restore religiosity.
01:32:21.000Those are the real antidotes to crime, is strong families with a mother and a father, married.
01:32:26.000That's the other problem with blacks, is their out-of-wedlock birth rate is 70%.
01:32:32.000So, I mean, people don't really think about what that means.
01:32:35.000Only 30% if you meet a black person, 3 out of 10 of them will have their parents married when they were born.
01:32:43.000And that means everybody else, that means they don't have a father in the home or the parents are separated, right?
01:32:47.000And if you are not being raised by a father and a mother, particularly if you don't have a father, the rate at which you're going to commit crime is worse.
01:32:54.000Blacks are already predisposed, I believe, to commit more crime and we went over this last week.
01:32:59.000But then you add to that these cultural factors and these other factors and it exacerbates the problem.
01:33:04.000What's happening right now is that it's just anarchy.
01:33:08.000And this is only compounded by the fact that you've got political correctness now.
01:33:12.000And I, by the way, you know, I live in the suburbs.
01:33:14.000My parents are born and raised in the city, so they know Chicago cops.
01:33:17.000And they'll tell you that cops don't even want to police these areas anymore because they know that if they shoot the wrong kid, then they're going to end up on the news and the city's going to get burned down and everything.
01:33:28.000You know, they're going to be like Darren Wilson or George Zimmerman.
01:33:32.000But, I mean, who loses out in the end?
01:33:34.000It's Blacks, because they're not going to go in and enforce laws because they know that if they, you know, cross the line, and this tends to happen in any war zone or any, you know, crime situation, that they can end up on the news and they can end up with their house surrounded or whatever.
01:33:48.000You know, Michael Brown tried to steal a cop's gun.
01:35:09.000Criminal activity happening in the Chicago area, especially in juveniles.
01:35:13.000Like, wouldn't you want to give them a home?
01:35:15.000And you were saying about the whole family situation.
01:35:18.000The parents being in a home is a major problem.
01:35:22.000But doesn't that also have to do with, like, how it's been for so many years in those areas?
01:35:29.000So wouldn't you want to educate and try to predispose people?
01:35:36.000The predisposal of that, saying that you can get out of here, you can do better.
01:35:40.000Wouldn't you want to educate them instead of putting soldiers on every single corner of the street, acting like they're criminals in their own country and they can't be free like anyone else?
01:35:47.000Just because they're socio-economical keeps them there, even though they did nothing?
01:35:54.000Why do you think those neighborhoods are bad?
01:35:55.000It's because the people in them are bad.
01:35:57.000It's not like they're necessarily bad.
01:36:01.000They have accepted a standard of living.
01:36:04.000I mean, and all these people know, and this is just irresponsibility on the part of the parents, and it is a failure for the generations to rise above.
01:36:14.000They have proven that they're ungovernable, and it's like this in every city, and it's been like this for decades, and the public schools suck as it is.
01:36:21.000I mean, they can't educate people that are ready to learn and have good parents and are involved in the community and everything.
01:36:27.000Let alone people that are actively resisting it and violent and so on.
01:36:31.000And the public schools only do so much.
01:36:33.000You go to school and then you go home.
01:36:35.000And you go home and you go in on the block.
01:36:37.000You go on the block with all the people on the block and you hang around all the others.
01:36:42.000And it has created this vicious cycle that must first be broken by
01:36:47.000Restoring order so that kids can go to school safely.
01:36:53.000And then once that happens, we can proceed from there.
01:36:55.000And we could talk about investment in charter schools and, you know, opportunities with that.
01:36:59.000But the problem now is, you know, kids are trying to get to school and they get shot.
01:37:02.000And kids are coming home from school, and they're being brought up in gangs, you know, and they're being brought up in gangs on the alleys.
01:37:09.000And so, you know, this idea that we can only do these, like, very liberal, like, smart solutions, it just hasn't worked.
01:37:15.000And these people are people that, you know, try going to the South Side and you see them hanging out at the gas station, you see them loitering by the liquor store, whatever.
01:37:23.000You know, try going up to these people with a textbook and saying, don't you know that you could get a scholarship and work in an office?
01:37:28.000I mean, the only paths out that they see are, like, basketball and rap.
01:37:32.000Teach them, teach them someone to look up to.
01:37:35.000There needs to be role models, obviously.
01:37:38.000You literally just proved yourself, you just proved it that they have no one to look up to.
01:37:43.000Their parents are crappy, their schools are crappy, they have no one to show, no one's showing them a good way to live their life.
01:37:51.000So they're being brought up and they're just assuming my only way, I have to protect myself, I can't rely on the system, I can't rely on the police because I'm being told that
01:38:47.000Well, I mean, it's not really, it could be social, what's that word?
01:38:51.000A majority of Africa is in extreme poverty.
01:38:55.000Well, I mean, poverty doesn't necessarily mean you break apart your, in fact, poverty usually means you're backwards socially, at least according to Westerners, and you'd rather be in those supposedly backwards
01:39:06.000Gender relationships, you know, where you have, you know, the extended family or the nuclear family.
01:39:13.000The innocent person and the society as a whole should not play, should not be a victim just because there are certain people that we could spend a lot of time and energy and fail at taking them by the hand and teaching them this is how you act in a civilized society.
01:39:28.000It's not and don't the hundreds of millions of people in America who have done nothing wrong should not be the victim.
01:39:34.000Just because we think we should be nice to these people who commit crimes.
01:39:38.000But you just, we're talking about the well-being of the kids being brought up into these communities of people that are committing crimes.
01:39:45.000So if you, you can complain all about, oh my gosh, what are we going to, these people, we should just leave them and let them fend for themselves.
01:39:52.000Obviously you don't care about the well-being of the children.
01:41:33.000On average, it's going to be very Hispanic.
01:41:35.000But when you have a percent of the population, we have a percent of a population that commits more crimes on average than anyone else, and I'm not saying they're all bad.
01:41:45.000Like, you know, my third, like, non-bio, a kid I literally grew up from, from a dirt floor to a house now, right?
01:41:52.000So I'm not definitely saying, I'm definitely not saying, and that's not like some, ooh, I have a black friend token.
01:42:36.000Because I don't run your pockets for everything they got.
01:42:40.000And that's not just on black communities.
01:42:42.000When I'm a teenage unarmed white boy, I'm
01:42:46.000We need to figure, the problem is, I'm not saying- But you're even more likely to get blasted.
01:42:52.000But I'm just, I'm arguing that what we need to be focused on is raising the young, the youth in these communities and showing them that there's a way to live a better, more substantial, more enjoyable life.
01:43:06.000Because if you're just gonna complain about the crime they commit and then do nothing for the kids that are just gonna be brought up and told- We're gonna do something.
01:45:33.000We need to educate them on the other choice.
01:45:36.000We have dumped millions and millions of dollars into social programs, but they reject our help.
01:45:44.000In Milwaukee, Wisconsin, there are 3rd and 4th graders who cannot read.
01:45:49.000In 4th grade, I was reading huge books, but they don't have any reading skills at all.
01:45:56.000And they don't even accept any help even though they've been given millions of dollars many times.
01:46:04.000Do you feel good if you were in um like a less like a poorer community and this government this these programs showed up and they were just like yeah we're gonna
01:48:38.000I'm the meanest person you'll ever meet, so, yeah.
01:48:41.000But, like, okay, I can agree with the order, I think, on some extent, with an ad of aggregation, but I don't feel like there needs to be a whole entire military presence, because I feel like it's almost like
01:48:59.000Lucas, Tori, you both have a very noble thing in mind.
01:49:02.000There are these people in our country who didn't choose to be in a rough situation and you think we should take care of them.
01:49:07.000And I think that's a good position to have in general.
01:49:13.000But you've repeatedly said, Lucas, you said this specifically, that money is not the solution to all these problems.
01:49:20.000But then you turn and call us, like, authoritarians and theocrats, when the only solution is to get people to go to church, to stay married, to raise their kids, and to work hard.
01:49:30.000And then when we suggest this as a solution, you call us theocrats or fascists or authoritarians.
01:49:36.000You can keep throwing money, which you admit doesn't work, at communities that don't appreciate it, or we can give them the church, which is not only a physical helpful, but also leads to salvation.
01:49:46.000I think that's totally, I totally think about higher powers.
01:49:49.000I would not exactly go into church because there's so many realms, but I think of looking up to a higher power, whether that's Christianity, Judaism, Christianity for HW.
01:50:05.000But like, fuck it, if you want Lizzo to be your higher power, and you think she's going to help you, like... There's nothing in this room positive or lie about being a higher power without breaking.
01:55:15.000So whenever, and this is like this is a question, whenever like we're supposed to live a Christ-like life, doesn't that mean that we should love everybody like he does?
01:55:23.000Yes, but the way that God loves is different than the way that we love.
01:55:27.000Right, no, yeah, I get that, but I mean, I was just wondering what you thought of that.
01:55:31.000Well, I'm like, in Jesus Christ, even if you read the gospel, it's so funny to me, because when I read the gospel for the first time, I'll be honest, I grew up Catholic, but I was basically like a cultural Catholic, which means that, you know, my parents weren't religious really like at all.
01:55:44.000I mean, they forced us to go to church for a few years,
01:55:47.000But I really came back to religion when I was in college.
01:55:49.000I read the Bible for the first time, and I swear, when I was reading the gospel, I said, wait a second, this Savior is very different from the one I was brought up to believe in, the sort of therapeutic Christianity that I was brought up to believe in, which is that, you know, Jesus Christ was this hippie that, like, just was kind of okay with everything, and he fed the poor.
01:56:26.000And he said, if your right hand sins against you, cut it off, because you better to not have your hand and enter the kingdom of heaven, right?
01:57:31.000And I'm not saying you guys are denying Christianity.
01:57:33.000For people though that I find that say it's weird that, you know, it's like, oh, I can't see that happening.
01:57:38.000I'm like, dude, like you can read this text that has literally been like confirmed on multiple sources to be extremely old, literally almost like not word for word, but pointing to the things that will happen, how Christians are going to be like over the years.
01:57:57.000It's weird to me that people don't say, well, crap, maybe they are right.
01:58:02.000They're not even like, well, maybe I will try and figure it out.
01:58:05.000And this is fundamentally why we disagree with libertarians, because the libertarian is so self-obsessed with the individual, the one person, it leads them, whether you want to take a very religious route like I will, or maybe something like Jordan Peterson would say in a secular way, it's better for society to people to live a very biblical life.
01:58:24.000And libertarianism is devoid of these principles that you should act in a way that is beneficial, not in a way that is pleasurable.
01:58:34.000And Sodom and Gomorrah was essentially people pleasuring themselves until eternal damnation and destruction and fiery hell.
01:58:40.000Going back to what Fatty was saying, I 100% agree with that.
01:58:44.000People will look at a Bible for a second and it's depicting exactly what was going on.
01:58:50.000From like three thousand years ago and just deny it.
01:58:52.000Like there's literally a verse and I think it's second Corinthians and it says that like God says that he'll shut up the rains and I was like that you could look at that as like the Australia wildfires and he's gonna send locusts to devour the land and that's happening and I think it's in East Africa but locusts are literally eating their crops and people are starving and then he also said he was gonna send disease and that literally is like the COVID pandemic.
01:59:12.000There's things like that people just like choose to ignore.
01:59:15.000They're describing literally events that are happening in our
01:59:18.000I'm shocked the word of God is accurate.
01:59:58.000Since you guys were mainly the ones that were talking on this, like by no means like I'm personally Catholic, like I believe in God, but do you believe that there needs to be like separation of church and state?
02:00:12.000In the sense, I believe in the sense of when there's not separation of church and state.
02:00:19.000The church ends up getting corrupted, and then we get into some weird stuff, but I still think that we need to follow Christian morals.
02:00:30.000And, you know, that could be seen as, I guess you could say my opinion, but it comes from my beliefs.
02:00:35.000We might not need, I don't need my preacher maybe to tell me what I need to do lawfully, but I would hope my law, you know, whoever my senator or the president takes from the same morals that I take from.
02:00:48.000That's just, I feel like, I totally agree that, like, if it's your religion, you totally follow by your morals.
02:00:55.000But, like, our First Amendment does say free mobile religion.
02:00:58.000I just think it's hard to construct all those different religions that people go by.
02:01:04.000And their morals, because, I mean, in the Christianity spectrum, like, Catholics' morals are completely different, or not completely different, I should not go there, are different than some Christians, because, like, there's more extremes on some sides and stuff like that, so how, like, I get, I think that on a moral standard, that people should follow what they believe, but I don't think that, like, you can honestly make it, like, a law because there's such, because there's already a freedom created,
02:01:33.000And that's like contradicting the past and contradicting what this country was built on?
02:01:38.000So I feel like there has to be a separation.
02:01:40.000I think Nick touched on this very well at some point in the past during this Zoom, that our idea of separation of church and state is not what was written in, it wasn't even written into the Constitution, but the whole idea of separation of church and state is that the head of the church is not the head of the government, right?
02:01:57.000There aren't shared positions between people in the church and people that have like legislative power or judicial power.
02:02:03.000That's not to say that the people who have
02:02:05.000But doesn't, like, for example, banning gay marriage go against free will?
02:02:21.000If you look at the historic Christian position and the historic Christian understanding of what the government is for, like now we talk so much about like the government's purpose is to preserve individual sovereignty and personal liberty and all of these different things.
02:02:35.000The historic Christian understanding and belief about what the government's purpose was, was to promote good and to punish wickedness.
02:02:43.000To promote good and punish wickedness.
02:02:45.000So, I mean, that, you know, I mean, I don't really have to explain that.
02:02:47.000I mean, encourage what's good and punish evil.
02:02:51.000Now, so obviously wickedness and evil, you know, now in our relativistic, you know, society, there's a different understanding.
02:03:01.000There's debates about what wickedness and evil is.
02:03:03.000Obviously Christianity's or excuse me.
02:03:05.000America is a Christian society historically.
02:03:41.000So, I mean, that's not really a good argument.
02:03:45.000And also, just because certain people did certain things which we consider to be wrong now, I mean, you could use that in the reverse also.
02:03:51.000You could say, just because we disagree with slavery now doesn't mean we can compare it back then.
02:03:59.000And, you know, that doesn't negate, however, the fact that American, going all the way back through like Anglo-Western Roman jurisprudence and everything, it was founded upon Christian morality.
02:04:12.000So just because people did, you know, justified slavery morally doesn't mean that the rest of it is invalidated.
02:04:22.000Well, I mean, 54, I think it's around 54 million people in America today are non-religious.
02:04:29.000So I feel like you can't justify those millions of people that aren't Christian.
02:04:36.000So you can't take the America today, because the America today is not the America that in 1777.
02:04:42.000America today is not a Christian society.
02:04:58.000Truth doesn't care about what the majority says or what the majority votes for.
02:05:03.000And that's like the fundamental flaw with democracy and these other, you know, you can even go so far as to say other representative governments.
02:06:10.000Well, the majority of Americans today are for gay marriage.
02:06:39.000Now with that being said, how many people are actually for gay marriage or do you think that more of them are actually more scared to speak out against it because of where they work or coming down with society?
02:06:50.000I really don't, honestly, I don't understand why what someone decides to do in their personal life and with their relationships affects
02:07:22.000I will 100% agree we are built on Christianity, but today our constitution does not say we are going to follow what the Bible says.
02:07:33.000But if the founders knew, you know, like, like Nick said, fuck the Constitution, but if the founders knew about what situation we would be in right now, they would have put it in the Constitution.
02:07:44.000They would have clarified, they would have clarified in the First Amendment that... Were you like friends with, are you friends with Alexander Hamilton or something?
02:07:56.000Because I could say the exact same thing about they would have said if I was freedom of religion is quote you know is only for Christians it's not for you know atheists, satanists, muslims.
02:08:10.000By that logic I could literally go up to I don't know Thomas Jefferson and go hey there's this worldwide
02:08:17.000connection where we can all talk to each other across the world in seconds they're gonna say oh no that's awful i'm pretty sure that's tell if you were to tell the founding fathers that people were you know that there was a bunch like homosexuality was marriage was legalized all right let's really against it
02:08:36.000But I'm not going to be, like, you know, crazy mean to you about it, but I'm pretty sure if you were to go back there and tell George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Hancock, Benjamin Franklin about all the stuff that's happening now, they'd probably have a heart attack.
02:08:50.000Like, I'm not trying to be disgusting.
02:08:52.000I'm not saying, I'm just saying their beliefs, there were so much, dude, like Christianity was so much stronger back then in terms of a lot of people.
02:09:00.000The Constitution was written to preserve the way of life at the time.
02:09:04.000And the way of life was a Christian way of life, and a lot of it was communal family living, multi-generational households, and stuff like that.
02:12:47.000Let me turn my computer audio down because you're deafening me at five or four.
02:12:52.000Sorry about that, but it's, sorry about that, my mic was muted, but I have some statements on this little debate about who's the true Americans.
02:13:04.000Now, of course, knowing you being from the great state of Tennessee, yeehaw,
02:13:16.000Pretty much, America has always been a white nation, will always continue to be a white nation in that the current state of the American, so the state is controlled by the people and the people is controlled by the state.
02:13:27.000The thing is, is that the current American state is not for the American people.
02:13:31.000It's owned by non-Americans promoting non-ideas and I think it's to the point to where in our natural
02:13:40.000We have a revolutionary identity, man, to a point if there comes to be where there's no political solution, which in my own opinion, I don't believe there is political solution that can help us in this troubling times, but I believe that.
02:13:58.000I think in an American way, if Census State is against us, I think, you know, if violence does come to an answer, I think violence should be used against them.
02:16:05.000I'm not advocating for any kind of... I don't want a revolution.
02:16:09.000I don't want something like that to happen.
02:16:11.000But I know that if, for some reason, a political solution doesn't work, that the only way to truly be able to do it is either through revelation or pure collapse.
02:17:46.000I love how people like that like to join political dialogue to say that they reject political dialogue, right?
02:17:53.000We need a revolution, but, right, everyone's with me, too.
02:17:56.000It's, you know, kind of a contradictory suggestion.
02:17:59.000I mean, you and your three members of your army can go start a revolution.
02:18:02.000I will happily sit and picnic on a hill as I watch A-10s absolutely abolish, God, spread you into red mist as you flow over the meadows and just
02:19:14.000I'm glad you said you're not a groyper, but I would just say that we should think about being practical.
02:19:31.000Uh, you know, labels like that and talk like that, I would just question the efficacy of that if we want to achieve our goals.
02:19:36.000And if you say you want to avoid violence, you know, if we're going to have a non-violent solution in the country, to me, to pursue that, it's mutually exclusive with talking like that or presenting yourself like that.
02:20:05.000And as somebody who's trying to change that from within, you disagree that there's a political solution, I would just say that
02:20:12.000You know, when you look at the government, how powerful it is and the military and the police, the efficacy of a strategy like that, or frankly talking about it, trying to gain popular support for that, even if you're for that, I would just question the efficacy of that.
02:20:30.000is that, personally, I don't believe a revolution will actually be able to succeed, but if it comes to ends where, you know, maybe a collapse might not happen, and then we just get to the point where pretty much all of our ideas are being put down, we're getting into pretty much on levels of like pure authoritarianism, you know, in the sense of like, they're gonna come into your home, bust your door down, shoot you with your gun,
02:20:55.000Shoot them with your gun and it's like, it's getting to the point where it's, you know, you're being put down for being white.
02:21:00.000You're being put down for being American.
02:21:02.000You're being put down for being Western.
02:21:04.000And of course, with my ideology, it comes with, there's a very, very big identity on nationalism.
02:21:10.000There's a very big identity on people.
02:23:50.000White people aren't just Americans, y'all!
02:23:53.000So this Zoom, this Zoom, okay, this Zoom was made so we can hear other people's opinions.
02:23:59.000Hence how Nick Fuentes got, and I got introduced to all this, you know, and we have, I'm rambling on because my brain can't handle this.
02:24:06.000It's like trying to do calculus on the ACT, just won't happen.
02:24:13.000I'm all for hearing other opinions, but my guy,
02:24:17.000When you do the whatever, I don't care what you call the salute on my Zoom call at four in the morning, there is nothing that I want to do than to just give up on humanity and just literally ask you why.
02:24:33.000And then every time you give me a reason that I don't like,
02:24:36.000Ask you why again, and then at that point, chase you around with a very sharp stick.
02:24:42.000So I'm confused as to how you can be respectful to other races.
02:24:51.000And here's the deal, I don't miss, I respect you for having another opinion, but your opinion sucks, and a bunch of Americans died to get rid of that opinion.
02:25:02.000A bunch of Americans were actually drafted into that war and actually 91% of Americans- That's crazy, the other thing too, there's a bunch of black Americans that died getting rid of your kind too, so you know- Wait, do you like Obama?
02:29:12.000I saw your background and I saw the name and I was like, hopefully this will give me hope that we can still have interesting conversations.
02:29:55.000I'm a libertarian you gotta give me a break Nicholas J Fuentes do you think that
02:30:26.000Do you think that, you know, I've talked to a lot of people, you know, in Turning Point USA.
02:30:35.000I'm in Turning Point USA and a lot of us are like very sympathetic to Nick and the Groipers and
02:30:45.000I was just wondering if you thought that there was like anything that we could do to like maybe, I don't know, fuse those two worlds together and sort of, or you know, if we could sort of, I don't know, help in any way.
02:31:59.000We saw that during the Groyper War, so I would say that if you're a Groyper sympathizer, I would, you know, begin to share some of your inquiries or ideas with your fellow Turning Point members and see how they react.
02:32:11.000Be tactful, of course, as always, but try not to get yourself kicked out, because I think that being a rank-and-file Turning Point person is a great way to meet other young people, other young conservatives, young politically-minded people, and we want to remain in that position, but we're also winning hearts and minds.
02:32:28.000If you get too hot right away, you're going to be out of the game, and then you've got nobody to talk to, nobody to influence, no doors to open.
02:32:35.000So, you want to kind of get the best of both worlds, where you can have one foot in one world and one in the other.
02:32:39.000And that involves a little bit of tact, and a little bit of, you know, smartness about how you go about it, but I think that's the best approach.
02:36:11.000I literally duetted this gay dude making... I just followed you on... I knew he was joking, and I made it, and I'm getting... Like, they're hating on me in the comments for some reason.