In this episode, we have a special guest on the show to discuss the current state of the country, immigration, and the need for a white ethnostate in order to maintain a cohesive, orderly and stable country. We have a lot of great guests on this show, but this is a special one where we are joined by our good friend and long-time guest, Dr. David Axelrod. He is a professor of political science at the University of California-Berkeley and is a frequent guest on conservative talk shows. He has been a long time friend of mine and I think he has some really good points about immigration and how to deal with it. I hope you enjoy listening to this episode and share it with your friends, family, and loved ones. Tweet me if you have any thoughts or opinions on immigration, thoughts, opinions, or thoughts on any of the topics covered in this episode. Timestamps: 1:00:00 - What should we do about immigration? 4:30 - How should we deal with immigrants? 6:15 - How can we maintain a country that is a cohesive and orderly country? 7:20 - What is the best solution? 8:40 - Is immigration a solution or a problem? 9:00- What should be our focus? 10:00 11:10 - Is there a solution to the immigration crisis? 12:30- Is immigration the answer? 13:40- What are we going to do about it? 15:00 | What is our role? 16: Is immigration in America? 17:10 | How do we need to be a white ethnoist? 18: Should we have more white people in the United States? 19:40 | What do we know what we need? 21:30 | What are the problems we should do? 22:30 Can we win in the future? 25:40 26:20 | What s the best way to stop immigration in the 21st century? 27:10 28: What s our responsibility? 29:30 Should we be worried about it's going to be white? ? 35:00 + 30: What do you think about it s going to happen in the next episode? 31:00 Is it possible? 32:00 Can we be more diverse? 33:00 Do we have enough white people?
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00:00:01.000If you look at any research on what non-whites believe about the Constitution, the majority of non-whites do not believe that we should have the right to bear arms.
00:00:10.000The majority of non-whites believe that there should be hate speech legislation.
00:00:13.000The majority of non-whites believe that we should have an interpretation of the Constitution which is not an originalist interpretation.
00:00:20.000In other words, we should add things on or reinterpret it.
00:00:23.000Now, not obviously every single non-white person believes that, but the majority of them do.
00:00:28.000And the majority of whites believe the opposite.
00:00:30.000And so those kinds of attitudes shape the kind of country you live in.
00:00:34.000The agreement on having a bill of rights, the agreement on having freedom of speech, or the right to bear arms, or a constitution that is lasting and enduring and keeps its meaning through the generations, you know, that is like a meaningful difference.
00:00:46.000So yeah, sure, maybe people in California
00:00:49.000Like, uh, West Coast rap, and people in New York City like Wu-Tang Clan or Nas, you know, whatever.
00:00:55.000But they speak English, and they vote, and they believe in the... Broadly speaking, they believe in the Constitution and so on.
00:01:01.000Obviously, there's liberals, you know, in every racial group, but the big picture stuff is the core that must be maintained to have a cohesive and orderly and stable country.
00:01:15.000And that's about the American culture.
00:01:19.000The one American culture that... So just because those people generally don't always have the same viewpoints as white people, does that necessarily mean that they're wrong?
00:01:28.000I mean, I agree with what you're saying.
00:01:30.000Like, I agree with that they're wrong.
00:01:36.000Maybe not specifically with those examples, because a lot of them are defined in the Constitution, but just because they have differing opinions, just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean that they're wrong.
00:01:43.000I agree with the standpoints you're getting at, but I'm just wondering.
00:01:46.000Well, it's not necessarily a question of whether they're wrong.
00:01:49.000It's just a question of how we're going to have a population that will perpetuate the kind of country that we want to live in.
00:01:58.000You know, obviously there are all kinds of people that are, you know, white liberals are against the Second Amendment.
00:02:03.000White liberals are against free speech in some cases.
00:02:06.000But the question is, you know, if America is to remain America, we cannot bring in populations that are biased in favor of things that are against America.
00:02:16.000You know, the people that are coming from Asia and Latin America, why do you think it is that they are in favor of government?
00:02:22.000Do you think they're coming here just to vote?
00:02:25.000Well, no, but they're going to vote, and they're tending to vote.
00:02:28.000Not that they're coming here just to vote.
00:02:33.000You said you brought up that stuff about how the non-whites generally are against the First Amendment, the Second Amendment, and the original writing of the Constitution.
00:03:32.000It's like, no, we don't have to deport everybody, but we have to start thinking about these things and beginning to come up with
00:03:39.000solution or an answer or strategy starts with acknowledging what's happening.
00:03:42.000So, you know, that's been my whole life.
00:03:44.000As I'm over here saying, isn't anybody worried about the fact that Texas is going blue?
00:03:48.000Isn't anybody worried about the fact that what's happening to Texas and Florida and Nevada is what happened in California?
00:03:54.000And like, we're never going to win again, and we're going to lose everything we love.
00:03:57.000And people have told me, well, you know, even if it is, it's racist to acknowledge it, or the solution must be necessarily bad, or X, Y, and Z.
00:04:05.000We as conservatives must grapple with these things and try to figure out how we're going to survive in this new America that we've created.
00:04:12.000One thing that stuck out to me was you said us.
00:04:16.000I'm just kind of like wondering, who is us?
00:04:18.000Because you, when you refer to us, you refer to us as in like America, but as if we're like a Republican America, but not everybody in America is Republican.
00:04:27.000And while I am a conservative Republican, and I believe in a lot of the same values as you, I don't necessarily think that we should suppress the people who have opposing views.
00:04:35.000I'm talking about we, the traditional American nation.
00:04:38.000And here's the problem is, I think we've conflated maybe large disagreements with small disagreements.
00:04:43.000You know, America's obviously been a democracy and been liberal and pluralistic and so on.
00:04:48.000But what we all agreed on, even Republicans and Democrats a hundred years ago, is stuff that is now the subject of disagreement.
00:04:56.000You know, we're not talking about should we spend more money now in the government or less money.
00:05:02.000I mean, in some cases we are, but what the Democrats are talking about is we want to have a country that's not white, not Christian, doesn't speak English.
00:05:10.000Like, they don't agree on the fundamentals.
00:05:11.000And so the question is, if we don't agree on the fundamentals, then why be a country?
00:05:15.000Why would we all stick together as a country if you want a way of life and a vision that is mutually exclusive and incompatible with the country that I want to live in?
00:05:23.000No one's advocating for us to start doing that on a wide scale.
00:06:43.000Um, and I'm not for that either, but are you wanting to do something kind of almost similar towards the Chinese exclusion act almost back when we had that kind of for almost a lot of other countries or just kind of say, all right, look, we need to stop immigration real quick.
00:06:57.000Figure out what we gotta do and then reopen it?
00:07:25.000Um, but, uh, Nicholas, uh, my question to you, man, is you keep saying we need to have like a monolith type or just a monoculture.
00:07:32.000The problem with that is in the beginning, if it was more monoculture, black people weren't treated the same and that was done by Protestant Christians.
00:07:40.000So I guess my question to you is, if it wasn't for people with opposing views, then we'd probably still be slaves given that same atmosphere and how everything was constructed and interpreted in the beginning of that constitution.
00:07:54.000So at what point are you taking, what are you saying that's being interpreted wrong?
00:07:58.000And at what point will you say we went too far with the constitutional rights?
00:08:02.000I guess I'm trying to get at, and how do we fit in without us being marginalized through Jim Crow laws and everything for the last 300 years?
00:08:10.000Well, I'll say on the question of slavery that it was actually white civilization which was unique.
00:08:16.000I think that every people and every civilization had slavery.
00:08:20.000You know, the indigenous Americans, Muslims, even sub-Saharan Africans.
00:08:26.000But what was unique is that the Constitution and Declaration of Independence and Christianity actually paved the way for the abolition of slavery.
00:08:34.000And that's one of those things that is unique about Western white civilization that everybody shares in the advantage of this the whole world and even the people in the country and what's different and then that's actually a great point that you brought up because one of the main differences of these other people is
00:08:48.000They lack those foundations that would have led to something like that.
00:08:53.000I think the opposite is true that if we had had the attitudes of other civilizations, we would have never had freedom on the scale that we had or liberated people around the world.
00:09:03.000So I think it's actually quite the opposite.
00:09:05.000The people that are coming over, like Asians and Latin Americans, I think if anybody is more prone to regress in terms of humanitarianism or barbarism,
00:09:15.000I think it would be these other populations coming over.
00:09:17.000The only place where slavery still exists, or one of the only, I mean obviously exists everywhere, but on a massive scale is North Africa, is Libya in particular because of regime change, but that's another subject.
00:09:28.000But the places where you still have slavery are the third world, and it's those cultures that we're bringing in.
00:09:33.000That's an example of a big disagreement.
00:11:49.000But the question is, who is America for?
00:11:51.000And, you know, why do we have a country?
00:11:53.000Because what I'm hearing in a lot of these questions is the presupposition that, and I understand, but it's the perspective of the outsider, the foreigner, well,
00:12:04.000You know, what about these good foreigners, these good people from other countries who come here and make America better?
00:12:09.000What about people who want a job in America?
00:12:11.000But I'm sitting here, and that's why it's called America First, wondering, what about the good people in America?
00:12:16.000What about the people in America and what's good for them?
00:12:19.000And so certainly if we shut down immigration, there would be people deprived of opportunity or good people coming over here.
00:12:25.000But what's lost on a lot of people is that
00:12:28.000One argument that is made, and this is an example, is they will say that if you increase immigration, then GDP goes up.
00:12:34.000If you increase immigration, then the economy grows bigger and everybody's better off.
00:12:39.000But what they don't point out is that these numbers are actually different.
00:12:45.000But when we look at the natives versus the immigrants, the people that benefit and create that net benefit from immigration are the immigrants themselves.
00:12:53.000What is involved in that increase in value and that transfer is that the native population gets poorer while the immigrants get richer.
00:13:03.000And I don't think it's right that the government is looking out for the interests and the benefit of immigrants or foreigners instead of our own people.
00:13:10.000Because, you know, while people may come over here and do a lot of great things, you have to understand that there's a finite number of jobs.
00:13:16.000And so when you bring workers over here and bring labor over here, wages go down.
00:14:34.000That the native population that is already here and has been, you know, if we're talking about from a point zero, you've got a person who is here.
00:14:51.000And an immigrant, you know, we're talking about the end result, but every immigrant comes from another country.
00:14:56.000So, I mean, they may come from another country and benefit at the expense of a native, but, I mean, does that mean that, oh, well, everybody's better off?
00:15:03.000The person that was a native and in the country and an American lost, and the person that came over from somewhere else and, you know, then they got naturalized and so on, they won, but does that make it any less different that one is a foreigner and one is a native?
00:15:14.000I mean, you could say that after a million years that's the case, but what matters after a million years?
00:15:19.000So, out of curiosity, you mentioned that legal immigrants come and they're successful and that could take away from American citizens.
00:15:28.000Do you think that could have anything to do with legal immigrants working harder than American citizens?
00:15:36.000No, and I'm not even talking about individual cases.
00:15:40.000I'm just talking generally that, you know, we're not talking about, well, they're going to get advancement.
00:15:45.000I'm saying that if you look at labor economics, it's very simple supply and demand stuff.
00:15:50.000The more that you have of something, the less it is worth.
00:16:31.000There's a hundred people waiting in line for your job.
00:16:33.000And that's essentially what has happened to both high- and low-skilled workers in this country for 50 years, is that all workers have become expendable.
00:16:40.000Because if a company thinks they can get an advantage, they will import workers, high- or low-skilled, to take American jobs.
00:17:17.000Based on a percentage of their income?
00:17:18.000I don't have the exact document, but we pay a lower percentage of our income on food, just on basic necessities than any other country in the developed world.
00:17:29.000Now, part of that is because we have laborers that are willing to do things for cheaper.
00:17:37.000And just coming from the perspective of a farmer, it's a lot easier to hire someone and a lot better off for
00:17:45.000The business of the farmer and for the American people, so they aren't spending as much of their money on their food to hire someone that may be here with a green card to come and harvest a crop or help take care of a crop versus a man $15 an hour for the same amount of work.
00:18:07.000So, I mean, to say that it's actually hurting America, I can actually see where economically that
00:18:14.000Decreasing the amount of immigrants and the amount of people that are here working, holding green cards would end up hurting America more because of the amount of cost increases that it would create.
00:18:25.000Not to mention if we have most businesses, if they have to increase wages, they're just going to modernize and put in kiosks or, you know, other ways to limit unskilled labor to where they don't have to raise the, you know, they don't have to
00:18:43.000Uh, increase their costs on their customers so they can continue providing that good or service.
00:18:48.000So I guess my point here is that I can see your point, but I can also see where your point becomes invalid when we start discussing the modernization of industry and how technology comes into play as well.
00:19:03.000Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up because agriculture is really interesting to me.
00:19:09.000Agriculture is, you know, a lot of people I would say, and maybe you could tell me if this is right or wrong, but I know people that work in agriculture and will work in politics and they deal with agriculture.
00:19:19.000And they tell me that, you know, the perception of farmers in America is like Farmer Brown, tending to his fields, and generally farming is a lot of factory farming and major industry, big business type stuff.
00:19:31.000There's no such thing as a factory farm.
00:20:48.000The point I'm trying to make is that agriculture is one of the biggest fat cats that there is.
00:20:53.000And a lot of conservatives like to talk about, you know, the farmer and all this kind of stuff, or even things like welfare or whatever, bailouts, but agriculture is one of the biggest fat cats, one of the biggest beneficiaries of welfare in the country in the form of subsidies.
00:21:19.000Especially not politically, is the point.
00:21:21.000And when you're talking about workers, when you're talking about illegal farm workers...
00:21:27.000You're talking about probably the biggest incidence of migrants taking American jobs.
00:21:32.000You're talking about lower costs, but what does this come at the price of?
00:21:36.000Primarily and firstly, like you said, it comes at the cost of American workers.
00:21:39.000We could pay Americans a higher wage to do the jobs that illegals do, but farmers would like to pay a lower wage and often break the law and hire illegals to do the same job.
00:21:49.000And I understand there's visas and there's all kinds of things that have been done
00:21:52.000to help them cut corners but agriculture is one of the it's one of the biggest hypocrisies that and I hear all this kind of stuff from and I know because I was in politics from Republicans that are against welfare and they're constitutionalists but agriculture gets all this welfare and they hire illegals and by the way though the cost isn't just in terms of jobs that that's one of the best examples of you could hire Americans for a higher wage but instead you hire foreigners for a lower wage and maybe you save a little bit maybe the Americans save a little bit
00:22:20.000I'd prefer to pay a little bit more and have Americans working, but even beyond that, the cost is greater.
00:22:26.000Did you know, you ever hear the story about Molly Tibbetts?
00:22:30.000A young girl, I think she was 19 years old in Iowa, and she was murdered by an illegal immigrant, chopped up.
00:22:36.000And it turned out that that illegal immigrant, it was very much similar to Kate Steinle, the illegal immigrant that killed her was working in a dairy plant.
00:22:43.000And that dairy plant that he worked at was owned by one of the biggest donors to the Republican Party in Iowa.
00:22:50.000And to me, that is a horrible tragedy.
00:22:52.000But that is a perfect example of what is going on in the Republican Party and everything that I oppose.
00:22:57.000Because certainly these people that they're bringing in,
00:22:59.000So it does definitely go towards the American consumer.
00:23:52.000And we need to start looking out for our producers and our workers and not just the consumers.
00:23:57.000Because that's a big problem with conservative economics.
00:23:59.000This is primarily concerned with the consumers.
00:24:01.000Never mind all these towns that have been destroyed in the heartland of the country because the factories and manufacturing has gone overseas.
00:24:12.000Well, you know, tell all the people that are killing themselves or dying of opioids because their town was hollowed out and destroyed that it was worth it because now I can go and buy a 52-inch TV for $300.
00:24:33.000And I honestly have yet to see any large number
00:24:55.000of immigrant or someone that, a migrant worker that was actually not better well behaved than most Americans.
00:25:03.000Because as part of, you know, us keeping some of these, uh, green card holders in our employ, we provide them with a place to live and they would keep that place spotless.
00:25:14.000And, you know, there was hardly any ever, I mean, I don't even think we ever had any incidents of drug use.
00:25:23.000We could ever say is sometimes I had a few too many beers, but that's just anyone.
00:25:28.000So, I mean, I think that you're talking about an overwhelming minority of, uh, people when they immigrate, and this is not so much focused towards people that are illegal as it is people that come here legally by saying that they're bringing crime with them.
00:25:45.000And, you know, I, I do, and I mean, I do take issue with some of the things that you.
00:25:51.000Have said about agriculture because there are a lot of farmers that would not be able to function without some of the government programs because you have to have crop insurance if your crop fails.
00:26:00.000Otherwise you lose thousands of acres of land.
00:26:03.000Now, you know, do I think that other things should be subsidized?
00:26:07.000No, but we do have to, our food supply is a, a national security issue because if we do not have a decent affordable food supply,
00:26:19.000That's the first thing that can lead to some sort of revolution or some sort of uprising.
00:26:24.000Not importing a population of barbarians from across the border?
00:26:27.000That's... I mean, I understand what you're saying, but... The Cato Institute did a study, and they found that if we take away, like, them crossing the border thing, like, they commit, like, less crimes than natural-born citizens once they're here.
00:27:12.000You know, you look at it, and even like Amnesty International, our government, they will tell you that the rape rate on the border is like 70%.
00:27:21.000Of women illegally crossing the border, 70% of them get raped.
00:27:24.000And like, who's doing the raping down there?
00:27:27.000It's coyotes, it's illegal immigrants, and the crime rate is spiking in Arizona and California, all over, and it's because of illegal immigrants.
00:27:36.000And you know, maybe you live on a farm or something, but I live a little bit outside of Chicago.
00:27:40.000And I can tell you that you don't want to be caught in certain neighborhoods after dark in Chicago.
00:27:45.000And these are the people who are bringing over.
00:27:46.000And you could say that, well, the farmer ones, you know, they're much more well-behaved.
00:27:50.000But I can assure you that anybody who lives near one of these neighborhoods could tell you and paint a very different picture of a different standard of living and a different quality of life.
00:27:59.000Okay, so listen, you know, you want to talk about like, and I take, you know, I take, uh, you know, a lot of, I guess, it pertains to me a lot more, I guess is what I'm trying to say, but because I live in a town where our university in town, I could get a minority scholarship to go to that university, you know?
00:28:20.000And so, does that necessarily mean that just because I live in a town where I am the minority, does that make me upset?
00:28:30.000Does that make me feel like I don't belong?
00:28:33.000Or does that make me feel like I should be scared?
00:28:36.000No, because truth be told, what it comes down to is you're going to have crime centralized in areas because whenever crime begins to come on and like, I guess, wave on each other, you know, it comes in waves.
00:29:12.000There's a great book called The Color of Crime, and it explores this, that there are wild disparities in crime rates based on race.
00:29:18.000And I would also add, and you could check that out, you know, Table 42 of FBI Crime Statistics will show you the disproportionality in violent crimes committed by whites versus non-white groups, but I would even expand it even further if we're talking about immigration,
00:29:32.000And look at the crime rates in these countries where the people are coming from.
00:32:17.000The south side of Chicago is the same way.
00:32:19.000Now we could point to, oh well, but this time it was this or that time it was that, but the experience is the same across the world.
00:32:25.000It's across the world in different areas, in different economic categories, and depending on different historical factors.
00:32:33.000Are we supposed to believe that, well, because of a conspiracy of random events, these people are just not well off everywhere they reside?
00:32:43.000And is this the same with Latin Americans?
00:32:45.000No one claims these are random events.
00:32:47.000What we are claiming is the fact that crime flows no matter who it is.
00:33:33.000Um, uh, I just, I just have to question you here.
00:33:36.000So we're just going to ignore the whole Jim Crow, right?
00:33:40.000So we ain't gonna look back on doing that time period when black people were not committing the most crimes, but it was actually white people murdering, killing, lynching, throwing, feeding babies to alligators, going up and burning down Tulsa, Oklahoma, bombing all these things.
00:33:55.000You know, uh, they did government experiments on black people.
00:35:13.000I'm just trying to make sure that we're all together here as we move along.
00:35:16.000So we agree then that this question matters, and it's not racist to ask this question.
00:35:21.000We acknowledge that these disparities exist, and we must inquire why.
00:35:25.000Because if we're going to live in a multiracial country, we have to get to the bottom of why some are doing well and some are doing not well.
00:35:30.000We have to get to the bottom of why some are rich and some are poor, but between these different racial groups.
00:35:36.000And we can come up with different explanations, for example, that are
00:35:46.000Because we could look at Jim Crow and slavery and obviously, obviously a freed slave in 1965 is not going to be economically at parity with a white person.
00:35:58.000And we can agree that even still, a hundred years later, under Jim Crow, how could somebody under discriminatory laws achieve economic parity with the majority population?
00:36:20.000And, you know, they did some stuff with drugs.
00:36:22.000So, you know, without getting too much into that, I agree that those are factors.
00:36:27.000What I'm talking about, and this is where I think a lot of people just run away from right away, and I just told you, I don't have a problem with any other person, depending on their color or whatever, but we are talking about the fact that human biodiversity is real, that there are group differences.
00:36:44.000And if that's a stretch for a lot of people, I want to just tell you, Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, Steve Pinker, all these major people agree.
00:36:53.000The science on this is uncontroversial.
00:36:55.000That there are differences between the groups.
00:36:58.000And we're not talking about... Ben Shapiro does not agree with you, Ned.
00:39:57.000Let's have like a respectful discussion.
00:40:00.000Just to clarify for myself something real quick.
00:40:02.000So, you're saying that genetically, right, someone was born with a- doesn't matter what race, right, because we can talk about the white mafias and mobs, right, because they've done some horrific stuff.
00:41:24.000You guys just have to, I think, be a little open-minded here, for once.
00:41:29.000Conservatives and liberals can be a little open-minded.
00:41:31.000What I'm saying is simply that if we can acknowledge that these differences are real, and the differences are meaningful, then they create different outcomes.
00:41:40.000They create different patterns of behavior.
00:41:42.000And if you look at average IQ, and some of you guys are not going to like this, but the average IQ of blacks in this country is 85.
00:41:50.000The average IQ of West Africans is 65.
00:42:04.000And this is why you see these disparities.
00:42:06.000And if we want to address the disparities, we have to address the causes of them.
00:42:10.000And you don't get any points by, oh, well, it's racist to say that, or it's racist to say that.
00:42:14.000I'm looking at this as a problem solver that says, if we want to achieve any level of harmony or equality between the people, we have to address the root causes.
00:42:22.000And if the root causes are genetic, then so be it.
00:42:25.000If that's the facts, those are the facts.
00:42:27.000You could say that's racist, but I thought facts don't care about our feelings.
00:42:32.000But the problem is, that's not a fact.
00:43:23.000And then the other thing about the whole genetic thing is this.
00:43:25.000You're telling me if, like I said, if it's a genetic thing, you're telling me if we were to take a black baby and put them with the Mexican family, right?
00:43:32.000Or if we take a white baby and put them with the black family or
00:43:37.000You're saying that it's going to be the same outcome just because they're born with this genetic, not a race, just because they're born with this genetic, that therefore they're going to act as they would if they were still with whatever family, right?
00:43:46.000Well, I didn't say... First of all, I'll answer your question.
00:43:48.000You said it was a genetic thing, though.
00:43:50.000What I said was, is that genetics plays a role.
00:43:53.000And I said, I was very careful to say this, that there are other factors.
00:43:56.000There's environmental factors, there's a stor... I said slavery, Jim Crow, and a variety... I absolutely... Rewind the tape.
00:44:03.000I said that there are a variety of factors that contribute to these disparities, and race is among them.
00:44:39.000So, the only thing that would be considered genetic, in my opinion, is psychopathy and sociopathy, because that has something to do with your brain mental, you can get it through genes, etc.
00:44:49.000According to, this was cited multiple times, I think over 400 times, by the Institute of Bioscience, although considerable research on psychopathy has been conducted over the past 30 years, relatively few studies have been conducted.
00:45:04.000However, this is specifically on blacks and whites,
00:45:09.000Blacks exceeded whites by an average of less than one point on the PCLR scale, which is statistically.
00:45:17.000There is no scientific and statistic data that blacks have this gene more than whites.
00:45:27.000And that's the only genetic... But you're not talking about IQ.
00:45:29.000You're not disproving my point because you're bringing up something else.
00:45:35.000No, you were talking about genetic predisposition.
00:45:37.000This is my... No, I was talking about IQ and other factors that lead to disparities in behavior.
00:45:42.000No, you were talking about genetic predispositions.
00:45:43.000Predispositions to behavior based on genetic differences.
00:45:46.000You're trying to disprove my point by bringing up something I didn't bring up.
00:45:49.000No, but I'm trying to say that this is the only genetic predisposition someone would have is psychopathy, and there is no scientific evidence that being a different ethnicity is going to raise your chances of being a psychopath or a sociopath.
00:46:03.000But that's not what we're talking about.
00:47:21.000I acknowledge that this is a factor in some of these disparities.
00:47:24.000But I think the extent to which that plays a part is vastly overstated.
00:47:27.000Because there is discrimination against a variety of groups that have succeeded in spite of that.
00:47:32.000There has been discrimination against Jewish people in America, and they've succeeded in spite of that.
00:47:36.000There's discrimination against Chinese people, they've succeeded in spite of that.
00:47:40.000People can succeed in spite of discrimination.
00:47:44.000That's not to say it doesn't play a part, but I think the extent to which people attribute these differences to those discrimination and other things, I think is overstated.
00:47:53.000And I think that I'm being very charitable in the way of that and acknowledging a holistic
00:47:59.000Out of curiosity, is there a statistic that proves that first generation non-white immigrants are less successful than first generation white or Asian immigrants?
00:48:26.000Is there any statistic that proves that first generation non-white immigrants are less successful than first generation white immigrants, or Asian?
00:48:34.000I have looked at statistics, which I know off the top of my head, from Jason Richwine, which show that if you're looking at Hispanic immigrants in particular, they, in general, on average, will arrive to the country with a lower level of education, a lower level of net worth, a lower level of income and literacy,
00:48:52.000What about first generation, um, like African...
00:49:05.000Other than Hispanic or South American immigrants, what about anybody else?
00:49:11.000In some cases what you'll find is that the problem with some immigration, with for example the diversity of visa lotteries, that the immigration is self-selected.
00:49:50.000So what you'll find is the people that tend to come here from these countries where you don't see a lot of immigration will be self-selected as higher education, higher IQ.
00:49:59.000They will tend to be the higher-up or the elite of the society for getting over to the country.
00:50:06.000We're not even talking about those minorities of people.
00:50:09.000If you want to bring over, you know, I think there's like certain categories of immigrants that are like, you know, highly educated or extreme specialists in their field.
00:50:19.000You know, maybe we could talk about bringing those people in.
00:50:21.000But what we're talking about is massive amounts of people.
00:50:24.000We're not talking about, you know, 10,000 people from one country from the diversity visa lottery.
00:50:29.000We're talking about 60 million people over 60 years.
00:50:33.000You know, these are broad swaths of people and illegals that we don't even know who they are.
00:50:37.000And so when we average those out, you tend to get a lower quality immigrant.
00:50:42.000And moreover, I'm not making the argument that, well, if they're high IQ and etc., then they're okay.
00:50:48.000You know, I've made cultural and social arguments, but if we're talking about these disparities in crime, we can't attribute them to genetics.
00:50:55.000I'm still waiting to hear a peer-reviewed scientific study on how genetics influence intelligence.
00:51:05.000I don't have it in front of me, but I can produce it.
00:51:07.000I didn't know I'd be having a race and IQ debate tonight, but I can produce that for you if you're really interested.
00:51:15.000I would love to know that stuff as well.
00:51:23.000If you're saying naturally, we just have lower IQ, we're not going to be as successful, we're going to struggle a little bit more.
00:51:31.000So, shouldn't we be more, I guess, have more subsidization going on or something, instead of us having three strike laws that disproportionately affect us?
00:51:40.000Shouldn't we be shown more leniency, given the fact that we're starting at a lower advantage?
00:51:48.000And here's the thing, and here's what I want to make clear is,
00:51:51.000I'm not I don't like love that this is the case and maybe I should have started with this when I talk about these group differences, which means that blacks are set back compared to whites.
00:52:48.000So how do we move forward knowing this?
00:52:52.000Well, for starters, we have to balance
00:52:54.000The need to keep our country safe versus the need to help people, right?
00:52:57.000I mean, if there are people out there that are killing and doing all kinds of things, it's like, well, let's put them behind bars before we figure out how they're going to get ahead in the world.
00:53:05.000And I agree, we could figure out things like that.
00:53:07.000You know, I think like, if you look at, was it Booker T. Washington back in the day, they had some solutions about, you know, taking some of these communities and
00:53:16.000Having them get educated and start families, because the black community was actually doing a lot better, you know, under Jim Crow.
00:53:23.000I said that a long time ago and people got mad at me for it, but when did the family, the black family, begin to blow up?
00:53:32.000Some people attribute that to the Great Society in the late 60s, but I think largely it's from, you know, civil rights.
00:53:38.000And I'm not saying civil rights is a bad thing or it shouldn't happen, but I'm, you know, just pointing out where these trends began.
00:53:43.000The black family was together, the crime rates were lower, unemployment was lower.
00:53:47.000And I think that if we were to bring that back and look at a lot of these genetic factors and family-based factors and maximizing success, then we'd be okay.
00:54:05.000You know that exacerbates the problems.
00:54:07.000So, you know, I think that's the solution.
00:54:09.000I think we could all get along together and everybody's equal in that sense, but we have to get serious about problems, and getting serious about problems means looking at the facts and addressing the real problems, not the fake ones we come up with to make ourselves feel good.
00:54:39.000And like, just for the sake of not being called racist, for Mexicans, the average IQ, if you're from Mexico, I don't think it has anything to do with race, your color, anything.
00:54:48.000If you're from Mexico, your average IQ is 89.
00:54:50.000It has an entire country breakdown, and it's all based off of genetics from what happened earlier in generations in that said area.
00:54:59.000When people come to America, their average IQ slightly raises because of environmental things, and it's slowly going to continue to get better through time.
00:55:18.000It's based off of... You're jumping from point A. You're taking the point A of the fact that there's differences, and then you're saying those are due to genetics.
00:55:25.000You've yet to prove how intelligence is genetically related.
00:55:28.000You just said yourself, when they move countries, their IQ can go up.
00:55:59.000And I'm not calling you, Nicholas, you racist, right?
00:56:01.000I'm not saying that what you're trying to say about the race is strictly racist, but I'm saying so that we're going to talk about intelligence, right?
00:56:08.000Like I was saying earlier, if you're going to take, let's say, a kid that was born in Mexico, the day he was born, right?
00:56:15.000We take him, we put him in, you know, just whatever you consider a decent American school, because yeah, American public school systems suck terribly.
00:56:33.000And there's been studies, like there was a study in Minnesota, a twin study, where they took twins and they took one that was, I think it was a twin study.
00:56:42.000I could look it up for you to get the specifics, but one raised in a white household, one raised in a black household, and the SAT and IQ scores remain the same.
00:58:48.000We're talking about, and that's how we have to think, because we're a big country and we're talking about big populations moving in.
00:58:53.000We have to think about groups, not individuals.
00:58:56.000There are many intelligent non-white people.
00:58:58.000It's not worth saying that that's impossible.
00:59:00.000We're just saying, on average, we have to grapple with these groups and think about these numbers as we change the racial constitution or composition of our country.
00:59:11.000I'm just saying, I know a lot of white folks that are dumber than a rock, especially being out here from the sticks.
00:59:18.000So in that case, we should have more East Indians here than white people.
00:59:21.000No, no, because we're not saying that... East Asians do have a higher average IQ than whites, but we're not saying that it's an IQ test to get in the country.
00:59:30.000We're simply... because the problem with immigration is not that they're low IQ or whatever.
01:01:13.000I just wanted to say, really, I am disturbed that most of you guys are accepting what Nick has said as fact, when almost everything he's said is complete bullshit, and I can prove it.
01:01:25.000I read The Belcher, that book that he's referring to, and that's the basis of this IQ difference.
01:01:34.000And what he conveniently leaves out is that when that book was published, when the bell curve was published, it created such an uproar and a backlash that the people that wrote it,
01:01:58.000I think there have been something like 20 book-length rebuttals written to the bell curve, just because it's complete bullshit, and it's not backed up by any real scientific data.
01:02:07.000The bell curve assumes that the quotient g, general intelligence, is a thing that exists, and it assumes you can perfectly measure intelligence with a number, which you can't.
01:02:17.000But even if we assume that to be true, which again, it's not, so the entire premise of the bell curve is false.
01:02:25.000Even the authors of the bell curve say that at maximum, only 40% of your intelligence is genetically based.
01:02:33.000So even if we take the main source that Fuentes is using here and assume everything in it to be completely correct, which it's not, most of it is based off of IQ tests done in the 1800s, where they went to Africa and they asked people, what is a saucer?
01:02:51.000You know, like the thing you put a teacup on.
01:02:53.000And if they said they didn't know, they're like, oh, you're not smart.
01:02:57.000Obviously, someone living in Africa who has never been to Europe would not know what a fucking saucer is.
01:03:05.000But you know, again, Nick leaves that out because that's not important.
01:03:09.000Wait, real quick, let the record show that I'm not saying, and I don't know how I speak for everybody in here, but I don't say even what other conservatives say as fact 100% if I don't know, you know what I mean, if I haven't read it.
01:03:21.000So I'm not- Yeah, I think a lot of us aren't accepting what Nick's saying as fact, I think we just don't- Yeah, yeah, continue on, I know what you're saying, Barry, I'm not- I'm not taking anything anybody's saying as fact until I can read it for myself, so.
01:03:33.000Yeah, okay, alright, I'll give you that, but
01:03:35.000Again, like, the basis of this book is very, very shaky.
01:04:02.000Like, he talks about how, oh, facts can't be racist, but the facts, the fact that he's using is complete bullshit and is not based on real science.
01:04:12.000You can't just call something a fact because you like what it has to say.
01:04:16.000What he's doing is he's doing the reverse.
01:04:19.000What he's doing is he's starting with a racist idea that blacks are below whites and that other cultures are below white people.
01:04:26.000And then he's cherry picking the bad data
01:04:29.000That is based on terrible, terrible science to back it up.
01:04:33.000Where what you should be doing is looking at the real data over here and then building your view off of that.
01:04:38.000But what Fuentes is doing is that he's doing the exact opposite.
01:04:42.000He's starting with the assumption that Black people are inferior, and then he's going in trying to defend that with books like The Bell Curve, which are just factually incorrect.
01:05:36.000And then also, if you have anything else that has to do with the intelligence thing, this is the last thing because we've talked about this for long.
01:05:43.000Can I just stay unmuted for one second so I can hear his rebuttal and respond?
01:05:47.000And also, I just want to say, I don't think an argument that inherently treats races of people as below other people and a racist argument, I don't think that deserves civility.
01:06:00.000I don't think we have to entertain and we have to be civil
01:06:30.000So, I'm, you know, I would consider myself far less
01:06:36.000Yeah, I would consider myself far left.
01:06:40.000You know, I mostly just came here to watch, but I was pretty disturbed that all these racist ideas that are factually incorrect, even though he likes to think they are,
01:06:55.000Because we all collectively have a rather popular following and we can't really give pushback if we don't have the information at hand because we can't say things that may not be factually correct.
01:07:07.000I don't think many people in this zoom call prepared to have this debate tonight.
01:07:24.000So in the first place I want to acknowledge that you are a leftist and I want to say that, I mean, really the argument comes from what you accuse me of doing is what you have done actually instead.
01:09:58.000We could have a debate on that another time.
01:10:00.000I thought people were just asking me questions.
01:10:03.000Anyway, even though you say that's my main source and it isn't, it never was my main source, that there are refutations to a source does not mean the source is invalid.
01:10:11.000Oh, well, this was such bullshit that people responded and said it was untrue.
01:10:15.000Case closed, people disagreed, the original person was wrong.
01:10:19.000So, I mean, that is just a non-starter to begin with.
01:10:24.000The problem is G. The problem is general intelligence.
01:10:27.000And you say that the problem is the way the tests were administered.
01:10:29.000I know for a fact that I will produce this as soon as I get a minute off stream, like I said, don't have it in front of me, that there have been tests of all varieties administered to all different groups that are completely abstract, without language.
01:11:05.000Pattern recognition, things like that.
01:11:07.000And G, general intelligence, that is a concept that is accepted by most mainstream IQ scientists.
01:11:15.000And like I said, I didn't prepare all my papers for this.
01:11:18.000I thought we were gonna talk about immigration.
01:11:20.000That was what my stream was about, but the scholarship is there.
01:11:23.000So for you to come over here and say, I'm actually, I don't know what background you're from, but I'm this left-wing communist, and you're just a white supremacist, and I'm making your assumptions about your intentions.
01:11:34.000And this is the problem with the discourse.
01:11:36.000Why do you think it is that people get buried in an avalanche and all mainstream people agree that race and IQ doesn't exist?
01:11:43.000It's because of these social functions and everybody wants to pretend that social pressure does not affect scholarship.
01:11:49.000Do you think scientists all go out there and say,
01:12:15.000Whatever is inconvenient for the liberal narrative is buried because all academics and scholars know that if you produce a politically incorrect report or result, then your career's over and you're done.
01:12:57.000Even though you see, you accuse me of assuming your intentions, and then you just end it with, oh, he's an evil leftist who wants to destroy us.
01:13:46.000I almost want to say it's the bible of this, you know, kind of racist field of science.
01:13:53.000That's why I attacked that first, because I think attacking that, and I also saw someone here hold up their copy of the bell curve, like very proud, that's why I attacked that.
01:14:38.000If anything, creating a controversial opinion that makes you stand out and appeals to a certain group of people, racist people, will make you money.
01:15:10.000If anything, your career gets made by creating this controversial topic.
01:15:15.000So I disagree with your assertion that all scientists and all the researchers fake data because it would hurt them in some way and cause a negative effect if they dare to disagree with the liberals.
01:15:29.000And I think that's a very common misconception.
01:15:32.000And when you look at real data, you see that that's not true.
01:15:36.000And just thinking about it logically, like if someone told you a controversial opinion, that would get your attention.
01:15:42.000If someone told you a non-controversial opinion, that wouldn't matter.
01:15:46.000And finally, when I said that a lot of people disagreed, I didn't just say a lot of people disagreed.
01:15:52.000I said the scientific community disagreed.
01:15:55.000As in the actual facts and data that we've compiled does not agree with the conclusions presented in the bell curve.
01:17:12.000So if you work from that assumption and then go backwards, you would arrive where you are and you supporting things like, uh, Robert, whatever his last name is and the bell curve.
01:17:23.000But if you had started and taken a look at the whole range of data that we have and whole range of studies that we have.
01:17:31.000You would come to the exact opposite conclusion because the simple fact of the matter is, and there has been polling that's been done on this among anthropologists, among psychologists, among all these different scientific communities, and a majority of them always say that your opinion is wrong and that your opinion is based on bad data that is simply not true and heavily biased.
01:18:26.000But in any case, the point which I'm trying to make, which I guess we've moved on to now, is that of course, of course, people get excoriated if they come up with the wrong conclusions.
01:18:37.000And I've heard this throughout my whole life.
01:18:39.000People have told me, well, I'm getting, like, banned from PayPal, I'm getting banned from YouTube, I'm getting death threats, I'm gonna go all- People are telling me all throughout this,
01:19:10.000And you could document many cases of people.
01:19:13.000that have said heterodox things about science and they've got their lizers.
01:19:17.000James Watson was the example I brought up.
01:19:19.000James Watson, who discovered the structure of DNA, has all his honorary titles and Nobel Prize revoked because he says he suggested that there could be a genetic link between race and IQ.
01:19:30.000And as obvious as it was incorrect, because you can disagree in science, it was because it was politically incorrect.
01:19:35.000And that has happened to most of the people I know.
01:19:38.000Jared Taylor, that happened to Sam Francis, Peter Brimelow.
01:19:41.000Sam Francis was one of the best writers at the Washington Times, until he started to talk about white identity politics.
01:19:47.000And then he got fired, and nobody wanted to hire him, and he couldn't make any money, and he died like porn alone.
01:19:52.000And this happens to many people that tell the truth.
01:19:54.000And liberals are the first one to acknowledge this when it's like Galileo.
01:19:56.000Remember when the church oppressed all the scientists?
01:19:59.000But now, oh no no, there's no church anymore.
01:21:40.000I bet you, maybe a lot of people watching this or in this room might agree with me, but they'll never say it because it would go against their career.
01:21:48.000So people can say that, but they don't act like it.
01:23:12.000Someone said, can we just talk about LGBTQ rights?
01:23:15.000I mean, there's those things as human rights, and I think some people that- I just realized my mic's been muted.
01:23:20.000I think people that morally, I don't agree with any of that stuff, but I'm not going to, you know, mean to just because of it.
01:23:31.000Now, if you're in my face about it and you're thinking you should fundamentally change certain things of the law to curve to maybe an advantage towards you, then that's where we're going to have a problem.
01:23:45.000You can't just almost, like, almost get out of control with it and have more advantages than there are, uh, straight, whatever, cis, whatever you want to call people that aren't, you know, of, or support that or, um, are in that community.
01:23:59.000So that's where I would stand on the rights.
01:24:02.000I think everyone should have human equal rights and I think they do, but people also have the right to refuse things because of what an organization or what people belong to.
01:24:15.000I mean, if I'm like a... I don't know.
01:24:17.000If I'm like a drug abuser, you could probably fire me for being a drug abuser.
01:25:33.000Yeah, I would not contest that, you know.
01:25:49.000People's preferences arise from unconscious factors or involuntary factors.
01:25:54.000But, you know, whether or not to act on them is a choice.
01:25:57.000And so we're talking about, you know, homosexual is, you know, the same sex attracted person is different than someone who engages in homosexual sex.
01:26:05.000And so that's a distinction I would make.
01:26:07.000And under that, I mean, I mean, everybody should have legal protections if you're attracted to whoever or whatever.
01:26:13.000But the question becomes when you act and when you act, then it's different.
01:26:18.000Yeah, but couldn't you apply that to gender as well?
01:26:59.000The thing is, your argument can literally be used in gender and sex.
01:27:02.000I think you're simping for homosexuality, which is offensive to me.
01:27:07.000If you're coming from a moral standpoint, dawg,
01:27:11.000There's going to be so many different opinions because a lot of people have different morals, so you'll never get someone to sway off of pure morals.
01:27:18.000Now, if you want to talk about the gender and sex difference, that is, you can say it's scientifical, it is definitely a very moral question, so you're never going to get someone to disagree if they have different morals, unless you can really sway them, you're not going to get someone to really 100% disagree if you just come head first with the morality
01:27:36.000Wait, so Nicholas, do you just think if people are homosexual, they should just not act on that?
01:28:16.000I just want to say, like, as a Christian, yeah, like, I disagree with homosexuality, but it's, like, it's not up to us to decide, and we shouldn't be saying, like, like, it's not a very Christian thing to say that everyone should be Christian.
01:28:27.000Like, yeah, I think it's a great religion, but no, you can't tell people how to live their lives, though, you know?
01:29:42.000You believe that everybody should be a Christian, right?
01:29:44.000So do you think that that should be lawfully enforced, or do you think that just you have pride in your Christian belief, therefore you think that other people should be Christians?
01:29:53.000Well, I mean, what does enforcement look like?
01:29:55.000Because, you know, I think there are laws, like in Russia, which make a lot of sense.
01:29:59.000You know, I think, like, decency laws would be great.
01:30:01.000I think that regardless of whether or not... But those are moral.
01:30:26.000I'm just saying in the basic sense of our law and how society views certain things, a lot of the morals in America come from Christian values.
01:30:37.000So Nick, can I address something real quick with the statement that you made?
01:30:41.000Because I do take my Christian faith very seriously.
01:31:06.000You know, and, and, and, you know, with my political values, you know, I try not to, I try not to, you know, make the assumption that, you know, my political values have to be based upon my religion.
01:31:19.000Um, so here, here's the truth that we need to understand as Christians.
01:31:24.000And this is talking to them from a Christian standpoint is that.
01:31:28.000We are supposed to teach, we're not supposed to direct.
01:31:33.000So, by saying that everybody needs to be Christian, by saying that everybody has to be straight, that's not, you know, I'm trying to, we're doing a totally different thing than us just trying to say that, you know, okay, we don't agree with that.
01:31:52.000But it is an imperative that, I mean, if you're a Christian, you're, I mean, we are the body of the Church.
01:31:58.000And so, it's not like this, you know, I'm Catholic, and I know, you know, it is, broadly speaking, a Christian country, which we just went over, but the Catholic interpretation is that it's not just about the salvation of the individual, but the collective salvation.
01:32:28.000We are called to say that, I mean, yes, if you're Christian, you believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and everybody ought to be Christian.
01:32:36.000I'm not saying, like, I'm going to force you to be.
01:33:39.000Okay, so Nick, you said earlier it's a choice if you wish to act upon your identity, right?
01:33:45.000And I think we both agree that gay people don't choose to be gay, right?
01:33:49.000So then why are you looking at people and saying, oh man, these children are witnessing these degenerate acts and it's going to have some profound negative impact on them if they see a gay man kissing or holding hands, right?
01:34:06.000I don't agree with that statement, Christian.
01:34:09.000I'm not saying that they might become same-sex attracted, but maybe same-sex attracted people or people leaning that way might think it's appropriate to follow through on those things.
01:36:37.000You just, the problem with when people ask that question is you're not going to, unless someone, when someone's really strong in their morals, they're just not going to budge.
01:36:46.000Like it can be extended to like anything.
01:36:49.000And in reality, like, even if like something is normalized within our culture, I mean, we'd make the same argument.
01:36:53.000People still act based upon their impulses.
01:36:55.000So therefore, like, you know, there's still, it's like, it's no bueno, right?
01:37:00.000I mean, you can disagree with the Christians on a fundamental level, so here's the thing I'm going to say.
01:37:04.000You can say, you know, you can bring up all these arguments, that's cool.
01:37:07.000Would you rather have us Christians disagree with you on a moral level and really say we want to take action but we're not, or you want to go over to the Middle East where gays are being thrown off of roofs and hung from trees?
01:37:16.000Well, the thing is, right, if Christians get to the level where they have control of, like, you know, and they implement, like, biblical law, it could potentially get to that level, right, like in the Middle East, like the biblical books are pretty similar.
01:39:19.000Look, the problem you have with translating the Bible is because of the languages it was written in.
01:39:23.000A lot of them have a bunch of different words.
01:39:24.000There's a Bible, the verse in the Bible that a lot of people use to justify slavery back in the day was something about slaves should obey their master.
01:39:30.000Slave also means the same thing in the Bible as bond servant.
01:39:32.000Bond servant also means same thing as an indentured servant.
01:39:35.000Not in the fact of slavery as in like how we had slaves, you know what I mean?
01:39:39.000So there are, hold on, I'm trying to do this.
01:39:41.000There are a couple of different things that you can have trouble with when you're translating it from one language to another.
01:39:47.000I mean, here's the thing that, you know, we can, you know, you can have, you can try to discredit the Bible if you would like, you know, because you disagree with it or something like that.
01:40:18.000However, me and you are going to face the, you know, we're going to have to face God and we're going to have to face judgment for the sins that we commit.
01:40:26.000And so, you know, I'm not going to force you to act a certain way.
01:40:29.000However, you're going to have to, you know, face judgment just like I do.
01:40:43.000My morals pretty well aligned with Christian morals.
01:40:45.000However, I don't, I think there's a difference between having pride in your religion and wanting others to practice your religion and thinking that everybody needs to practice your religion.
01:40:54.000I think those are two completely different things.
01:40:55.000Every religion thinks that everyone should practice their religion.
01:41:00.000There's different ways that they go about it.
01:41:02.000Christians tend to... But this country is founded on the idea that not everybody should be forced to practice the same religion.
01:41:10.000We're not about to be forced, nobody's talking about forced.
01:41:15.000Any religion would want the entire world to practice their... Islam would want the entire world to be Muslim.
01:41:21.000Buddhists would want the entire world to be Buddhist.
01:41:26.000Like I said, every religion thinks that every religion, there are some extremists in every religion that be like, look, we need to enforce this.
01:41:32.000Now, that's not speaking for the majority of people, but if you are strong in your morals, it would make sense as to why you would think this needs to be enforced, right?
01:41:41.000You think everyone should, you would think everyone needs to follow this.
01:42:20.000Anyway, like, if this normalization of gay culture is- it wouldn't be good because, like, people were able to resist it, right?
01:42:25.000Those who are strong and worthy in the way of God are more- like, those people who we know are, like, you know, good with God are gonna make it into heaven and those who are degenerate won't, right?
01:42:35.000So wouldn't you want this normalization to ensure that those who are strong enough to resist
01:43:31.000Because of our fallen nature, it is in our nature to go away from God.
01:43:36.000And if things exacerbate that, or facilitate that, or push us down that path, it's going to be a lot harder to come back to God.
01:43:43.000People that, if you're a young kid, and you grow up watching
01:43:47.000Glee or modern family or pornography or whatever and you think that certain things are acceptable or okay, and you start down on that path It's a lot harder to find your way back We want people to never leave want people to stay with God with the church and so on not stray and so in order to protect those people we absolutely need decency laws we're not talking about like
01:45:17.000Alright, so as a Christian, I feel like if people are too weak to resist this degenerate culture, with free will and whatnot, then I don't think we want them in heaven, right?
01:45:28.000I don't know what you're getting at here.
01:45:29.000Sounds like a very mean, malicious, bad faith argument.
01:45:41.000Are you saying that, okay, so let me see if I can try and word this question, and again, tell me if I'm wrong, because I don't want to put words in your mouth or try and take over what you're saying, but are you saying that for those people, like, okay,
01:45:54.000Degenerates are too weak to... Okay, Adolf Hitler, right?
01:46:10.000Like, why, at the end of the day, you feel like it's almost a cheat code where if, at the end of the day, like right before you die, it's like, I accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior.
01:46:19.000And then, like, all of a sudden, oh, well, he's in heaven, but didn't he mass kill a bunch of people?
01:46:25.000Or if I'm wrong, like I said, tell me.
01:46:26.000No, I guess, like, my argument is, like, Nick is saying that we need to protect people from, like, the normalization of this culture because it will undermine their capacity to go to heaven, right?
01:46:33.000Well, I think if their capacity is going to be undermined and they're not strong enough to the will of God, then they probably shouldn't get a ticket into heaven in the first place.
01:46:40.000Is that your belief, or are you being funny?
01:47:21.000Like, okay, I'm washing the blood of Christ.
01:47:22.000I'm gonna go to, I'm gonna go down to the, uh, you know, the whatever popular, like, okay, we'll go down to the arcade and kill a bunch of people.
01:48:09.000So Nick, as a fellow Christian, Matthew 7-3 says, why do you look at the speck in your neighbor's eye, but ignore the plank in your own eye?
01:48:19.000So, as Christians, we are told to focus on our own sins more than to focus on others.
01:48:24.000So, why are you so for condemning gays and stuff when Jesus literally tells us that we should be focusing on ourselves more than focusing on other sins?
01:48:47.000Alright, so I see there's a person here named Chris that's had their hands cut for a little bit, so we're gonna just let them talk, because I think we have a question for them.
01:49:15.000So, I have sort of something to respond to what Christian said about people not deserving to go to heaven.
01:50:03.000God wants everyone to repent for their sins and join him in the kingdom of heaven.
01:50:07.000If you think that these people deserve to go down to hell for sinning,
01:50:15.000And, you know, if we're being exposed to sin, or being predisposed to it, then that's... I just think that's disgusting, you know, in my personal opinion.
01:50:26.000I never said personally that I believe God laughs when people go to hell.
01:50:32.000Yeah, he wants everybody to come to heaven.
01:50:34.000I don't... Like, I could have missed it.
01:50:37.000I could have missed it where... Very good faith and civil tactics, I see there.
01:50:41.000I couldn't I could I kind of missed it where I mean you could tell me who said that like I never caught myself or never even said that I think God laughs when people go to hell no I mean we all I mean me as a Christian I don't know I can I feel like I can speak for a lot of Christians in here I believe that we would want a lot of other people we would want everybody to go to heaven right we want to share the gospel and and let people know that look
01:51:04.000This is your way to come and get in heaven.
01:51:05.000Now, will they have to answer for the sins that they have done?
01:51:09.000In the Bible, we talk about, obviously they're, you know, we're getting into some deep revelation stuff now, but will we all have like, you know, like crowns in heaven and then people will have different jewels in their crowns and whatnot, depending on, you know, what they did down here, you know, you know, yes.
01:51:23.000I think there's been a bit of a misunderstanding.
01:51:25.000I meant Christian, the person who was, who was, um, talking to Nick earlier, who said that people being predisposed to sin can't,
01:51:34.000People who are predisposed to sin and can't resist it deserve to go to hell.
01:51:38.000I just think that's, like, completely backwards and wrong.
01:51:42.000And I don't think that you're a proper Christian if you don't think God wants all of his children to be with him in heaven.
01:51:48.000Yeah, you said Christian, and then I was like... Nah, yeah, I meant the guy named... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:51:53.000He's waving down in there on the bottom.
01:53:32.000But, specifically, like, Nick, I don't want to misconstrue you, so don't let me, like, say something incorrect, but aren't you more so trying to focus on a base that's Christian rather than expanding into other backgrounds?
01:53:44.000Um, well, I don't really look at it like that.
01:54:06.000Anybody who thinks about existential questions.
01:54:09.000I give my perspective as a Christian on how I arrive at certain conclusions or whatever, but it's not really directed.
01:54:15.000It's probably actually not directed at Christians, because there's a lot of Christians that know way more about the Bible or way more about history and theology than I do.
01:54:23.000So, I would say that it's actually- So, like, to be clear, you don't care about, like, anyone of any different religion, or, like, atheists, like, who stay atheists, who, like, support you and are behind your movement, and you'd be like, alright, cool, join me?
01:54:33.000I'm just curious because like I've heard some things about you where you only want Christian people and like don't get me wrong I met you in person and everyone told me you were racist and stuff and I was like this guy doesn't seem racist I mean
01:54:48.000I like everybody, but I don't know what you mean by like... That was in my video I got with you, but like, I was just curious about that, because like, I think it's stupid for people to try to only have Christians in the Republican Party or conservative movements.
01:55:00.000Oh yeah, no, I wouldn't say that we only want... I mean, we want as many people as would support.
01:55:05.000I mean, I think because I'm a Christian, my message appeals to Christians, you know, just like conservatives would want conservatives, but
01:55:11.000I mean, of course, if people want to put America first and they happen to be of a different religion, then I'm not going to say, no, no, you know, be a liberal.
01:55:20.000I also think a lot of the Republican beliefs and not, I'm not saying everyone, but a lot of them come from Christian beliefs as well, or at least lean a little bit off of Christian belief.
01:55:29.000You know, that's where I feel like it comes in a little bit.
01:55:35.000Okay, alright, moving away from Christianity, because we've talked about that for quite some time now.
01:55:40.000Hey, does anybody actually have, because what I'm going to do here is I'm going to unraise all the hands, and if somebody actually has a policy-type question, then go ahead and raise your hand once again.
01:56:10.000So my question is, what do you guys think?
01:56:13.000We talked a couple days ago about Boeing and the bailout.
01:56:16.000Do you guys think it is in the right state of handling this?
01:56:22.000To bail out a company that was literally borrowing tons of money to complete stock buybacks to raise their share price when they've been so successful over the last 20 years with government contracts that they haven't been able to accumulate any wealth to protect themselves in case of an emergency, but continuously borrowed money to increase their stock value and their profit line for their shareholders.
01:56:45.000I think that comes out of like, the only reason I guess I could agree that on the, at least the keeping them like in business or whatever, increasing the stock prices is what they do with the money.
01:56:56.000Obviously it's probably not good, but you said they have government contracts, right?
01:57:01.000You know, they can pull out of those contracts and then we're going to be in some trouble.
01:57:04.000They also provide a lot of the majority of air travel and air transport.
01:57:08.000So those companies sometimes need to stay afloat for that reason.
01:57:33.000Well, I just want to say if it's based on that study about Bloomberg and it was almost in a sense, it was made to look like all the industries did that.
01:57:43.000There was really one big outlier when it came to that, it was American Airlines.
01:57:50.000And when we're talking about buying back stocks, most of it comes from free flow cash.
01:57:54.000Um, and a lot of those companies actually, after you spend money invested back into your business, whether that's, um, raises, uh, infrastructure and all those things, the money left over is what they usually use for those types of things.
01:58:08.000And it was really mainly American Airlines, not anybody else that was doing all those things.
01:58:12.000I just want to put that out there real quick.
02:01:21.000I'm kinda, yeah, I'm kinda shocked we have 100 people in here with as late as it is, but I mean, hey, I guess Nick Fuentes... Dude, you know who I saw in here earlier?
02:03:24.000I think I'm probably going to know what you're going to say, but it could go to the other people as well.
02:03:30.000Trump, throughout his presidency, has done a lot of things that are beneficial to Israel, and I want to know, not even in an Israel-Palestine sense, do you think the current state of Israel are being a good ally to the US and the West as a whole?
02:03:51.000They're not being a good ally, never have been.
02:03:54.000And you know, we could go way back on this, and people like to go way back to like the Levon Affair, or like the USS Liberty, but we could even look at just this administration.
02:04:03.000I mean, I believe that one of the first press conferences that Donald Trump had with a foreign dignitary was with Benjamin Netanyahu, right after the inauguration in 2017.
02:04:13.000And at that press conference, Donald Trump said,
02:04:16.000And in spite of everything we've given Israel just in the last three years, which is moving the embassy and recognizing the Golan Heights, their sovereignty, calling the IRGC a terrorist group.
02:04:41.000And not only do they not stop the settlements, they expand them at the most rapid pace in history, the biggest settlement expansion ever, like a week after that press conference.
02:04:50.000And they bomb Syria, they bomb Iraq, they create these tensions with Syria and Iran.
02:04:57.000So, I mean, just in the last three years, we have the spying scandal on the White House, just a treasure trove of things.
02:05:12.000No, I think they should be... Well, and here's to be serious, I think they should be more worried about keeping us as an ally.
02:05:19.000I mean, why is it incumbent on us to pay them and give more stuff when there's no responsibility on their end to have any obligations or to be considerate of us?
02:05:29.000You know, I mean, it's a two-way street.
02:09:40.000Nick Videos, if you got the free time at all, it would be cool if you could teach me economics or at least the basics of economics because I'm really willing to learn more.
02:09:50.000You said if you have the free time, he'd love to learn about economics.
02:09:57.000Yeah, he'd love for you to teach him about economics.
02:09:59.000I mean, I'll be honest with you, I'm not a master on economics.
02:10:02.000I mean, I know a decent amount about it, but I mean... Yeah, if you can just teach me the basics, that'd be cool.
02:10:51.000Back to sort of the beginning of this little debate, you were talking about how we should basically, correct me if I'm wrong, but you were saying we should shut off everyone from coming into the United States.
02:11:52.000I mean, the most obvious group is Cubans.
02:11:55.000And this is what a lot of people bring up is we'll say, well, Hispanics are, you know, making the country more blue and people bring up Cubans, which Cubans in Florida, it's dwindling, but they do vote majority Republican and they are considered reliably Republican.
02:12:11.000I mean, the reason they vote Republican is because of the particular situation with Cuba and that immigration policy where almost all refugees just get to stay.
02:12:20.000And so it's kind of a very specific situation.
02:12:22.000But, you know, again, it's we're talking about a confluence of different factors, economic, social, cultural, political.
02:12:29.000But I mean, really, immigration is indefensible from all of that.
02:12:32.000And you could have people that are more assimilated, people that are good for the economy.
02:12:37.000People might vote Republican, but broadly, mass population replacement is just, for every reason, on the whole, on the aggregate, it's no good for us.
02:12:46.000Would you know a Venezuelan that makes two now?
02:12:50.000I actually don't know the statistics on Venezuelans if they vote more Republican.
02:12:54.000I imagine they might, but I'm not 100%.
02:12:56.000I'm from the Philippines, and my grandma was the first one in my family to come to America.
02:13:13.000You're going to have that, but just on average, when you're looking at the big immigrant groups, they're, they're not, you know, so, um, and I, I'm, I'm Mexican too.
02:14:28.000I probably differ from... Like, a lot of the people who watch my show, and I fight with them all the time on this, they want total isolation.
02:14:36.000I'm a believer that America has interests all over the world, and we should take care of our interests.
02:14:42.000And if that means having a base, or protecting a trade route, I mean, that's fine.
02:14:47.000What we're looking at now is like an occupation of many countries, not just Afghanistan and Iraq, but you've got troops in Yemen, you've got troops in Somalia, you've got troops in Syria, still a residual force.
02:17:40.000I just think only America should be alright, because I don't know why we care so much about any other country, honestly.
02:17:45.000Well yeah, and I'm not, see, the part that I don't agree with the Republican Party on is the Republican Party basically just shills to Israel by giving them hundreds of billions of dollars in aid, and I don't agree with that.
02:17:56.000That's one thing where I fundamentally disagree with the GOP on.
02:17:59.000But I definitely think that if we are fighting wars in the Middle East like we are now, I think that it is in our interest to keep Israel our ally.
02:18:06.000But I don't think that giving them hundreds of billions of dollars is enough, sorry.
02:18:09.000Well that's the thing I have with like, pretty much left or right, it's like,
02:18:13.000I don't care what your solution is, really.
02:18:19.000I see where you're coming from, but I mean, at this point, I think that it's in our interest right now, since we are fighting wars in the Middle East, that we need to have them as our ally.
02:18:30.000But if we weren't fighting wars in the Middle East, which is what I see would be the best for America and the best for just the Middle East too, we're not helping them out by doing anything.
02:18:39.000But yeah, if we weren't fighting wars in the Middle East, I mean, I wouldn't really care about Israel.
02:19:04.000I just want to say, before I answer my question.
02:19:09.000The America First Movement, which Nick Fuentes is a part of, is not racist in any way.
02:19:14.000Because if it was racist, it would be the White First Movement, and nobody is calling for that.
02:19:19.000As the left gets more and more radical, the right is getting much weaker and weaker, and compromising in all these positions like gay marriage, transgenders, people are saying, oh, they're not pushing for Drag Queen Sorry Hour.
02:19:29.000But if you see Twitter, every single day, there's an LGBT hashtag trending.
02:19:36.000Like the American first movement's like slanderous being like homophobic this and that, but like, what are you conserving?
02:19:42.000If you're not like defending like the American ideals of like, you say America's not like a Christian nation, but like America was founded on natural law and like these, this stuff just goes against natural law.
02:19:53.000But my, my main question is like, like how are you going to call yourself a conservative?
02:21:03.000Um, you know, and the conservative movement is in order to conserve the ideals that we see America should be not necessarily, you know, giving up because we see other nations doing this.
02:21:18.000Um, you know, conservatives, your definition of conservative obviously might be different than my definition of conservative.
02:21:25.000If your definition of conservative is conserving, you know, slavery, if your definition of conservative is conserving, you know, every person has to be straight, conserving that every person has to be Christian, you know, obviously our definitions of conservative are different.
02:21:40.000And also, just because you don't believe in every single thing by the book that defines conservative values doesn't mean you're not a conservative.
02:21:49.000Just because there are certain things that you deviate on doesn't make you not a conservative.
02:22:14.000You're trying to pin me on this like an American first movement or some like radical thing but like this is like what true conservatism like is like if you go back to the 1980s and you see like Pat Buchanan or Ronald Reagan like that's this what they like believed in like like regardless of like the gay marriage thing that that's been argued over so much it's it's law right now the only thing that'll change is if the court like
02:23:06.000So anyway, Charlie Kirk said that he wants to staple green cards to the back of like college diplomas or like that is not conservative at all.
02:23:14.000Like there's people in America who are homeless, right?
02:23:33.000He's like, it's like that we're, we're in favor of legal immigration.
02:23:36.000Like we want to bring in more immigrants, but when there's people in America who can't even make it themselves, why are we bringing in more people?
02:24:19.000You can say you're Christian, but there's a bunch of different subdivisions, or obviously different versions of it, and they have different ideas on how someone should go about it.
02:24:29.000Uh, conservative doesn't mean you have to go down the line of every single thing and saying someone's a bad conservative because they don't line up with every single thing is, is not, it just, that really doesn't make sense.
02:24:43.000There's some, there's a bare minimum in order to be considered at least a Republican.
02:24:47.000So what it, what it, what it sounds like to me is that he's just like, he's wanting, he's wanting to tell us you're not worthy to be a conservative.
02:24:53.000You're not worthy to call yourself a conservative.
02:25:21.000We're not supporting mass immigration.
02:25:26.000Your definition of mass immigration is open borders and no conservative in here is saying that we need to have open borders.
02:25:32.000I think a lot of us agree with Nick as far as illegal immigration goes.
02:25:36.000If you look at Nick videos like TikTok and he said like if anyone wants to bring it up and play it he says like we're like you can't support all the illegal immigrants right it'll cost so much money
02:25:45.000Yeah, it's estimated to cost more money than the war in Iraq.
02:25:48.000Are you talking about the same video that Nick Fuentes posted?
02:25:54.000I'm just saying that I don't think that it would be a worthwhile investment.
02:25:56.000Like that one video that you've watched of Nick's?
02:26:27.000That's what, like the whole legal immigration thing, like deporting illegal immigrants, like making- You're missing, you're missing the point here.
02:26:33.000We're not talking, I think that when Nick is talking, when Nick Videos is talking about disagreeing with Nick Fuentes on, um, on immigration, I don't think it's the illegal immigration policy.
02:26:42.000I think it's the legal immigration policy.
02:27:35.000Um, but yeah, I don't think that we should just not accept anybody, but, um, yeah, I mean, I don't think that we should be accepting millions of immigrants every year.
02:27:43.000I mean, I don't know the, I don't know the exact number that we're accepting.
02:27:53.000But what I'm saying right now is that I don't think that it would be a worthwhile investment to spend 15 trillion dollars or more and deport all the ones that are already here.
02:30:04.000Illegal immigrants do pay taxes, actually.
02:30:06.000If you don't believe that, then you just, you deny facts.
02:30:09.000But, um, so illegal immigrants actually pay about $18 billion in the social security every year.
02:30:13.000And then above 10 million, 10 billion in the Medicare, as well as sales taxes and everything else.
02:30:18.000So if you look at it from like a monetary standpoint, this $14 trillion plus, it's not, you would literally take like, like almost a hundred years for that to even replenish.
02:30:33.000We'll go back a little bit to what you said.
02:30:34.000You said that the fundamentals of being a conservative, or a Republican for that point, and one of them you brought up was low taxes, right?
02:30:52.000You can't get $15 trillion by taxing Wall Street or just the rich.
02:31:12.000So wait, so is your solution to just stop deporting people?
02:31:36.000But again, I'm saying from a monetary standpoint, the investment of spending $15 trillion or more, it's just not worth it.
02:32:04.000Personally speaking, I don't agree with Nick Video's and his factor.
02:32:07.000I think that deporting illegal immigrants is an important cause.
02:32:34.000Um, if we're going to spend as much money as we're spending in other departments, I think that we don't need to stay lacking in a department of, uh, enforcing criminal justice, you know?
02:32:43.000So I, I think that, I think that it is an important factor to take into account that, you know, they have crossed the border illegally.
02:33:23.000Because whenever you start this system, then you're gonna have a bunch of fucking people coming in just trying to get a citizenship.
02:33:28.000So you have to build the wall first, and then you have to crack down on it even more, like border crossings and stuff like that, through ports of entry, like ocean, stuff like that.
02:33:38.000Like you can't, you can't just start a pathway to citizenship without doing anything else.
02:33:48.000I feel like, I feel like Trump's whole, uh, wall aspect was more so, you know, voters can actually envision something happening on the border.
02:33:55.000You know, I think that's, you know, I think it's a little bit drastic, but, uh, you know, border security in general, I think is a great, you know, thing that we need to invest in right now specifically.
02:34:07.000We do have an immigration problem in America now.
02:34:09.000Obviously, how do we fix this problem?
02:34:29.000But yeah that's I brought that up last night but the thing is like I think everyone agrees that yeah we have an immigration or at least I can't I can speak for maybe the Republican side of things but we we agree yeah there is a problem with immigration now how we solve it obviously differs I mean obviously how we solve it differs like I think me and Reese are on the on the side of
02:34:50.000We need to probably fund border patrol and strengthen our border protection, you know, whether that's a wall, more people on the border, and then I think obviously need to fix the way immigrants come in legally, because people obviously see the fact that, well, it's easier to come in illegally, so I might as well just go in illegally.
02:35:07.000Yeah, I just want to ask this, like, really quick thing.
02:35:12.000If you're gonna try to, like, discriminate, like, distinguish between good illegal immigrants, right, and bad illegal immigrants, like, if you decide to keep
02:35:19.000Some of the illegal immigrants in America?
02:35:22.000What does that say to people who are working hard, that are legal citizens, that can't, like, make it successful?
02:35:28.000Like, what does it say to people who are poor American citizens, that you're keeping people who you view as good workers, but they cross-border illegally, broke the law, they tried to undermine the system?
02:37:09.000Also, I just want everyone to remember that America is not just an economic superpower, right?
02:37:16.000America also has, like, we need to keep America moral.
02:37:18.000In just a general sense, the word moral is very important.
02:37:21.000Like, regardless of you saying, all right, like, some people say, I'm not saying anyone here does, but I'm saying, like, some people say bringing in a ton of immigrants will, like, help America's economy, right?
02:38:11.000If you're a Christian here and you support gay marriage, you've got to really think about that again, because the Bible says that the greatest commandment is to love one another, and loving one another is leading them on a path which is correct.
02:38:23.000I'm not saying a theocrat for Christianity,
02:38:26.000But I'm saying you always have to keep that in mind when you think about politics in general.
02:38:30.000You have to keep the religion in mind or else your religion... I don't want to overstep my bounds.
02:38:36.000That's overstepping our bounds by us trying to...
02:38:48.000I have a little bit different view than most conservatives on this because if you look at gay marriage I don't believe that they should be forced to be married by like priests you know any church but by the state yes and the reason for that is because if your loved ones in a hospital I don't really care if you're gay you can't go visit them if they're
02:39:14.000But you don't need marriage to- You do need to be married, or be family.
02:39:19.000Marriage is the way to enter into the family, and that's the only reason I'm okay with it.
02:40:19.000But you also gotta think, if you're taking this from a moral standpoint, and your morals obviously come from Christianity, Jesus also sat down with prostitutes, rabbis, and all these other people that society spat on, right?
02:40:56.000Not everybody in America is Christian.
02:40:58.000I just want to clarify one thing real quick.
02:41:00.000What I said with like, you don't tell the sinner it's okay to keep sinning, that was to what, I don't want to say this like offensively, but Fatty Actual, that's what
02:41:41.000I've told them I'm Christian, and I've told them my beliefs.
02:41:43.000And I'm like, look, if you're not going to listen to me, I believe at the end of the day, you're going to have to answer to God.
02:41:48.000So I'm not going to force something down somebody's throat, like my beliefs and stuff, and try and hammer it down on top of them when it's going to do them no good.
02:41:54.000But I just want to, like, I agree 100%.
02:42:13.000If you look at the 1950s, forget the racism and I disagree with that 100%, but I'm saying if you look at the 50s, government was much more prone to keeping a society which was pure and clean, right?
02:42:28.000And then in the 60s, people were like, well, no, no, keep your religion out of politics.
02:42:32.000And then in the 80s, it was kind of like,
02:43:08.000Like, I think we're on the same page here.
02:43:10.000I'm just saying, like, you got to realize that you're not going to win all the time and you can't keep
02:43:16.000We as Christians, you're just going to chase people away, right?
02:43:19.000From your morals, the more you keep hammering down, because people will be like, dude, this guy is so annoying, or, you know, yada yada, I'm not going to do this.
02:43:25.000All he wants to do is press his beliefs on me.
02:44:06.000I can always write up and call my local representative, or I can start a petition to sign it, but until that gets changed, I still have to support the law, because that is the law, whether I agree with it or not.
02:44:17.000Because like I said, wholeheartedly, I don't agree with it.
02:44:20.000But at the end of the day, that's the law.
02:44:22.000God said, and not God, Jesus said, you know, you got to give unto Caesar what is Caesar's and give unto God what is God's.
02:44:28.000Now that talks about money, but at the same time, he's also talking about you have to still respect the authority that's above you.
02:44:32.000You have to respect the authority, but when the authority passes a law that you 100% can't go with, you have no moral obligation to defend the law, right?
02:44:40.000In my state, New York, most crazy and disgusting abortion law was passed in August.
02:45:02.000Like I said, I still disagree, but that's why we also have the opportunity, like I said, for the Baker Free example, I can deny my business or services because I don't agree with it.
02:45:11.000We have the freedom of speech and the freedom of religion.
02:46:27.000Okay, um, I guess like what I would recommend you is to you guys is before you like let on a dog whistling fascist You guys should like at least understand hold on cuz this is when you let let me say something here We're being very dog.
02:46:41.000You need to show respect you show respect.
02:46:43.000I'm gonna respect you back dog Look ain't nobody gonna listen to your point if you beat him over the head like they're in Neanderthal even say like
02:47:22.000You gotta show respect to people for them to give you respect back.
02:47:26.000Saying something's fruitless and acting like you know better than everybody else is not a good way to go down this road.
02:47:30.000Nick's just gonna turn around and roast you because you're not gonna show him the respect.
02:47:35.000If you want to have a good conversation, that's great.
02:47:37.000But obviously you need to respect the man in order for him to have enough respect to even look your way and give you the same conversation back.
02:47:57.000So, I guess the reason I was asking why you guys, or how Nick Fuentes got in here is because, like, you guys seem to, like, not have that many rebuttals to a lot of, like, the blatantly false stuff he said.
02:48:08.000Like, a lot of the historical revisionism he engaged in.
02:48:11.000I just found that, like, I was wondering, like, are you guys gonna, you know, do this one more time except when, like, people have done a bit more research or, like, what's the plans for the future?
02:48:22.000I think the point was to kind of get him in here and, you know, ask him questions and allow him.
02:48:26.000Yeah, the point wasn't just, you know, we didn't set up and plan this to be like some kind of debate stage or something like that.
02:48:32.000You know, this was literally like a last minute, you know, hey, would Nick Fuentes actually join the Zoom, you know, so we can ask questions.
02:48:39.000And that was, you know, that was kind of the point of it here.
02:48:42.000It's, you know, like Nick said multiple times, nobody came here prepared with like papers and pages and stuff like that, you know, so I mean,
02:48:49.000I'm not prepared to do any kind of debate on any kind of topic.
02:48:52.000I'm going just what I know off the top of my head.
02:48:55.000I can understand that you guys might not have been prepared, but I think where I would see a difference is that if you guys were talking to somebody that didn't really advocate for race realism,
02:49:20.000Are you paying attention at all when we were talking to this man?
02:49:27.000We don't agree with a lot of the stuff he says, dawg.
02:52:12.000I said explicitly, I'm not saying because you're black, you're dumb.
02:52:15.000I actually said there are, I said, it would be ridiculous to suggest that there are no intelligent non-white people.
02:52:23.000I said that actually, if you look at how big the population in Africa is, there are tons of smart people everywhere because of how numbers work, how scale works.
02:54:01.000Now, whether or not you get a little hot under the collar because you don't agree with somebody's opinions, bro, that's just how it works.
02:54:06.000Now, look- Dude, we need to get our inner Frederick out here, okay?
02:54:10.000Look, and whether or not you don't like what the man has to say is the right to say it.
02:54:15.000And pretty sure when he brought up the race thing that people didn't agree with, not saying it was even about race, let's not even start that thing, right?
02:54:21.000When people thought, when they were covering it about race, pretty sure Topher still upset something.
02:54:26.000A lot of us were like, wait, we don't agree with that.
02:54:27.000Now, whether or not we had the facts, like he said, he didn't have the facts, whether or not we had the facts to hit him back with, no.
02:54:34.000I mean, like, if you've been in here for the entire time, you would've noticed that.
02:54:36.000It's like you literally fell asleep and then just woke up when you were gonna come in here and try to reignite something.
02:54:42.000Yo, I've been- I don't know what you are.
02:54:43.000You're that one dude that stands there with the ant hills and, like, tries to get- poking it with the stick to get him to fight.
02:57:36.000So I'm the one that brought up the LGBT stuff at like the near beginning, I guess.
02:57:43.000So I wanted to talk more about transgender type stuff because I feel like my question got kind of taken out of context and then I never really gotten a clear answer because it just kind of turned into like Christianity and how
02:58:02.000If you consider gay marriage morally right, which wasn't really what I was asking.
02:58:06.000I was trying to like ask, um, just in general, do you think it's a choice?
02:58:11.000Do you think there's a science behind, um, gender identity, um, that kind of stuff?
02:58:18.000I wanted to have a conversation more about that rather than the legality of gay marriage, because I don't really think that's going to be a topic really debated on.
02:58:29.000Like with all of us or with just... Just, yeah, I want to kind of...
02:58:36.000Well, for me personally, I mean, I look at facts and I've read multiple scientific peer-reviewed studies that have showed that people that are gay or trans, their brains are actually similar in brain structure to the opposite gender that they are, like looking at their genitalia.
02:58:54.000So I don't think that being gay is a choice.
02:58:57.000I think that that's definitely like hardwired into your brain and how, you know, like that type of stuff.
02:59:40.000That's, it just doesn't make any, so you're telling me that
02:59:44.000Like personally, I'm gay and I'm just going to make it clear.
02:59:46.000It's not a choice because if I could have avoided all the emotional trauma I and so many others went through, I would be straight in a heartbeat.
02:59:58.000And if I'm supposed to pretend I'm not someone who I am and ruin my life and my enjoyment, my pursuit of happiness, which is a right that everyone preaches, how am I not supposed to enjoy and like, how is it
03:00:12.000Such a bad thing for me to be with another man.
03:00:17.000If it's my desire and you just acknowledge that it's sexual, it's hardwired into your brain, how does that make any sense?
03:00:26.000This is a hard thing to get into without actually, like you said, like, I mean, you didn't want to talk about Christianity, but it's a hard thing to stop to start talking.
03:00:36.000Well, yeah, no, it's a hard thing to talk about.
03:00:39.000So you start because you'll start tiptoeing into morals and whatnot.
03:00:43.000And then and then you are having a full out moral conversation.
03:00:45.000No, you know, D, if you're talking about whether I think it's right, then I base it upon my Christian morals, which is I don't believe it's right.
03:01:45.000I'm like, like there are, so we're going to just tell everybody that the word, the voices that they hear are actually real and they're right and everything too.
03:02:17.000Okay, but what I'm trying to say is, like, literally, if it's your reality, yeah, but it's not the actual reality.
03:02:23.000Okay, so, but it's a very real reality that- Okay, so, I'm okay with gay people, but you should not encourage someone who thinks that voices are real.
03:03:48.000So there's these disgusting pedophiles, like, I don't know, like Jessica Yaniv.
03:03:53.000How are those people supposed to represent our community?
03:03:55.000When I'm on here, a very respectful person just trying to like have conversations, how are you going to take the bad people when I'm
03:04:04.000Instead of taking the good people to represent.
03:04:06.000I just want to say one thing, Jessica, you need this on TikTok, make sure you get rid of her.
03:04:10.000I'm not saying, I'm not, I'm not trying to just, I'm not trying to, you know, generalize your group that yes, everybody agrees with that.
03:04:16.000However, we, you know, we are, we are trying to make the point here that there are people in your community that, you know, believe that and accept that.
03:04:25.000There's a lot of ignorant, incompetent people in every community.
03:04:29.000But if you ask somebody that's in that community, who was their first, and then they're gonna be like, oh, I was 16, he was 24, or something like that.
03:04:38.000It's an actual thing that's a part of that community, because all the gay guys that I've ever talked to, because I live next to West Hollywood, oh yeah, my first was, he was 22, and I was 16 or 14.
03:07:16.000I do not remember the exact time, but you can fact check this.
03:07:20.000At a time period, the Pope, the fish market was struggling, okay?
03:07:25.000And the Pope told the public that God told him to eat fish this certain day, so for this certain day you could only eat fish, so the fish market could make money.
03:07:35.000Okay, well, a lot of Catholicism isn't even biblical anyway.
03:08:48.000Now, the no cutting your hair thing is actually a Nazarene vow and you are not required to take a Nazarene vow.
03:08:53.000A lot of people take it because it's like a thing to become closer to God almost like in a sense of what a monk would do to try and become you know more enlightened in the sense you don't have to do it but or not a monk sorry that was a buddhist monk there we go that's from before it's something you don't have to do but people do it because they want to be closer to God so that's where the no cutting hair thing comes from now with that being said
03:09:17.000Like that's not that's that's a ceremonial law.
03:09:19.000I don't know if people still take the Nazarene vow now.
03:09:21.000I imagine maybe some like Jewish people still do because if they're focusing on the Torah and whatnot in the Old Testament, but there is now a very big difference between ceremonial law and moral law.
03:09:32.000So the fabric, the same fabrics, what you eat, shelter, that's all ceremonial law.
03:09:39.000And the more I understand that like personally, I don't believe that, um,
03:09:46.000God, the God that I believe in, and the God that I believe is the Christian God, would never treat anyone differently because of who they love.
03:09:54.000Because that's just something I will always disagree with, and no one will convince me otherwise.
03:10:02.000Yeah, I mean, you're entitled to your opinion, man, and what you believe in, but at the same time, like, when you're the same God you're saying that you believe in, God, we have a loving God, yes.
03:11:11.000Instead of the whole rape thing, I would say a pornography addiction.
03:11:33.000I would say, I would say like that, you know, something like if somebody has a pornography addiction, they can't help it because all they, you know, all they want every time is their urge is to just straight, straight up go to the, you know.
03:11:44.000Dark browser, you know, or the, you know, what do you want to call it?
03:13:11.000Put a finger down if you're in front of a green screen.
03:13:15.000Put a finger down if you can't broadcast.
03:13:17.000Put a finger down if you're wearing a headset.
03:13:22.000So if you don't mind I'd like to move over to like more instead of I feel like we kind of drifted back to what we're what you guys were talking about earlier that I want to talk more about specifically on transgenderism because I feel like that's not really talked about a lot at all I think I was just unmuted would I be able to just grab something
03:13:58.000I was just wondering, so do you guys have any direct arguments, whether it comes to homosexuality or trans people or anything like that, that are removed from religion?
03:14:32.000It's hard for non-religious people to wrap their heads around the opposition to homosexuality, because non-religious people view everything as matter, and if we're all just atoms, we're all just stardust, then who really cares what's happening in the bedroom or anywhere else?
03:14:53.000Homosexuality and transsexuality is that, in my opinion, a lot of the factors that lead to same-sex attraction or homosexual acts is largely trauma.
03:15:05.000And a lot of people meme about this, but it's totally true that
03:16:00.000So what we tend to find in these communities is we tend to find, frankly, a lot of mental illness, a lot of anxiety and disorders like that.
03:16:10.000We tend to find a lot of this trauma in their past.
03:16:13.000We find a lot of acting out drugs, many, many sexual partners.
03:16:18.000I mean, I've seen studies, and obviously studies aren't great because it's people self-reporting about their sex lives, but I think there was a study done in San Francisco
03:16:27.000Where it said that more than 50% of the people polled said that they had sex with 2,000 people.
03:16:34.000Heterosexuals just don't have sex on that level.
03:16:36.000And so, just from even a practical point of view, I see gay sex or, you know, homosexual acts as basically traumatic, as expressions of sort of mental issues or trauma early on.
03:16:51.000And these things, I think, are remedied by
03:16:54.000Do you think I could respond from, like, my personal experience?
03:17:24.000So, Nick, I just wanted to add on to that by saying, so when it comes down to, like, homosexuality in general, we both acknowledge that that's not a choice.
03:17:33.000It's something that's kind of, like, ingrained in your brain as you're born.
03:17:37.000So, obviously, I think you would say that, like, heterosexual acts are natural, but homosexual acts are not.
03:17:47.000Well, I think that, um, I don't think that anybody is born gay.
03:17:51.000I think that it, like, like you said, it's environmental and, uh, you know, maybe there's a genetic component, but I think it's largely environmental.
03:17:57.000But, um, what is different to me, um, is not even religious, it's philosophical.
03:18:03.000And this is in the Catholic tradition.
03:18:04.000It's, this is what our church believes, but it's a philosophical argument that,
03:18:10.000You're telling it's kind of like a complicated philosophical thing.
03:18:13.000If you read Aristotle or you understand like the causes, it's complicated stuff.
03:18:17.000But if I can reduce it to you a little bit, it's that we are created or at least we can see in the world, whether you believe in God or not,
03:18:27.000That there is some signature of design, in the sense that things are created for particular ends.
03:18:33.000And I don't think you have to be necessarily religious to believe this, but you could say that, I mean, why does this water bottle exist?
03:20:20.000Well, animals are sub-rational, so I think when people make this naturalistic argument, when we're talking about nature,
03:20:39.000There is this conflation in the modern day with nature as in like organic life versus like nature in a higher sense and like a philosophical sense.
03:20:50.000So when I say that it's unnatural I don't mean that like you can't find it in nature.
03:20:54.000You can find a lot of things in nature.
03:20:56.000You can find murder and you know all kinds of horrible things in nature.
03:21:03.000Animals do a lot of things that we don't like or don't care for, that are wrong.
03:21:07.000And they're not just wrong because they're unethical or immoral, they transgress the rights of others, but because they violate the integrity or the nature of things.
03:21:16.000And that is what we as rational humans should strive to avoid, is violating the integrity or the nature of things.
03:21:22.000And I generally think that things that do violate that, they tend to create problems.
03:21:29.000You know, you can say, oh well, that's religious, or that I don't agree with that philosophy, but I will tell you that one of the big reasons I became religious and re-embraced religion is because I tended to notice that all the things that the Bible and Christianity says, if you follow them, you tend to do good.
03:21:53.000I find generally that this is the case, that you look at people that follow these lifestyles, you look at women that don't have kids, they tend to be miserable.
03:22:00.000You look at men who are not breadwinners, miserable.
03:22:04.000You find that when people violate their nature, when they violate the integrity of who they're supposed to be, they're not very happy, they're not very successful, they tend to be, you know, frankly, like basket cases, crazy types, depressive types, and I think you find that all over.
03:22:42.000Me saying that my personal experiences did not affect my sexuality, and I have facts from my life that can prove that up, including my other siblings that went through the same stuff as me that didn't turn out gay, shows that there was not a trend that came out of my parents' divorce of us all coming out gay.
03:22:59.000You saying that a woman that don't have kids are miserable is no source or anything to back that up.
03:23:09.000Nick, I think it comes down to, I think we're just going to fundamentally disagree on necessarily that you believe that the fundamental teachings of the Bible should dictate 21st century life.
03:23:20.000Now, you know, that can be what you end up believing.
03:23:22.000I think it also comes down to how much of the Bible are you willing to embrace?
03:23:27.000Because there are certain passages of the Bible that I feel are very often disregarded by whether it be the Republican Party or certain people who feel it doesn't fit their narrative.
03:23:48.000I'm just saying a lot of people like to embrace this idea of Christianity, but I see a lot of- Which is it?
03:23:55.000You say, like, well, it's the current year, so, it's the current year, 21st century, but then you say, well, but we're gonna bully you, and they're like, well, but you're not Christian enough, you're not... No, what I'm saying is... Well, I'm on board with the whole Bible, I'm on board with the whole Bible.
03:24:40.000A nation has an obligation to take in as many people as they can as refugees.
03:24:45.000Not like, not like maximum, like, we're gonna take in everybody!
03:24:48.000It means, like, that they reasonably can without, I don't know the exact passage, but it says, like, a reasonable amount that they can sustain, and it also says,
03:24:56.000How would you describe American culture?
03:28:32.000I guess the one big thing that like we're talking to a lot of them is like, how do I say this?
03:28:41.000Uh, like when they go out on their pride marches, it's because like the history behind all of them, like being unjustly oppressed.
03:28:55.000Like, I think that's just a very important thing to like keep in mind.
03:29:01.000is that they have been put back in almost all aspects of society and they're just like happy to be recognized like that's something like that's that i've been like i don't know like i just i wish that aspect was put out more like that they're now welcomed like and i guess that's like yeah
03:29:47.000When we approach anybody who's doing something wrong, the answer is not, you know, beat them up or something like that.
03:29:53.000I don't know why Violet is laughing here.
03:30:00.000Violet does this when it gets late at night.
03:30:02.000Yeah, I get a little weird when it gets late for me, because I had this up.
03:30:09.000And then somebody spotlighted me, so I was like laughing.
03:30:13.000The point is, we wouldn't have a drug abusers parade or an alcoholics parade or a rapist parade or something, and not to compare homosexuality to rape, but the point is it's a bad action.
03:30:57.000Let's bring back parades with crosses and nice things.
03:31:02.000As you look at these gay parades, and it's very telling, who comes out of the woodwork to these things?
03:31:08.000Is it, like, well-adjusted, like, normal people, or is it a lot of people that are doing freakish, deviant things, and they're stripped down, and they're dancing suggestively?
03:31:16.000Like, I think any person, even if you're not religious, some impulse says, there's something immoral or scandalous about this, and that's natural.
03:31:25.000There's something natural about that sort of, like, repulsion, emotion.
03:31:29.000That people have when this kind of stuff comes around because because it is wrong and we know that intuitively These parades are they're always just like a hot spot of promiscuous sex drugs often.
03:31:40.000It's pedophilia Scandal just bad stuff.
03:31:45.000And I you know, maybe we shouldn't be like, you know killing anybody but we definitely shouldn't be celebrating that stuff that stuff should stay, you know get back in the closet and
03:31:53.000Get back in the bedroom, wherever it was before, and he's to go back to where it came from.
03:31:58.000Because I weep when I see children that go to these parades, and you know, they're mothers.
03:32:20.000I mean I guess the thing that like I'm trying to get at is that so like I've totally gone through a whole different thing like of I really don't consider myself Catholic anymore as I've just learned and gone through life.
03:32:36.000I'm not going to talk about that but I think it's just important to realize that they have been oppressed and there's a long history like with like
03:32:49.000Religion and just other aspects of life of just like hatred.
03:33:53.000Respect that, you know, listen, uh, you know, you don't have, you don't always have to be the person who's in the limelight and who's, you know, saying everything nobody wants to hear.
03:34:02.000Like, you know, Nicholas over here, he's just, you know, he just says all the things he says, whatever you don't want to hear, no matter where you are.
03:34:12.000Uh, honestly, like, I think that, you know, I think that everybody needs to have a level of respect, you know, no matter what viewpoint you're listening to, because, uh, because it all, you know, everybody has passion for what they believe.
03:34:24.000And so, you know, what you have to, you have to respect what people believe.
03:34:28.000So I definitely, I definitely agree with Frederick in the sense that, you know, do I, do I have to agree with it?
03:34:56.000Bro, I literally said I'm canceling a Tinder date with a Chinese girl because I don't want to catch Corona.
03:35:02.000I disagree with what Vincent is saying there, but I don't get mad at him for it.
03:35:08.000Because a joke, even if it's a bad joke, in my opinion, and people on the left always get mad at me for this, but if it's the intention of a joke or meme or something, I won't get mad about it.
03:36:41.000Damn dude, I literally roasted her today and she got so mad and she sent me like six or seven DMs and I posted or I sent her a hose mad meme and she got fired.
03:39:14.000My first question was, uh, I was scrolling through the timeline as you do, and I see, I see Jaden McNeil, I see Jake Lloyd, I see all the boys posting, uh, Nick Video's newest TikTok, and I watched it, and all the comments seemed to agree that he was extremely homosexual in that TikTok.
03:39:35.000And I wanted to make clear, I haven't seen any of his stuff, or whatever.
03:40:01.000Alright, so, like, I have two things to say and then, like, two questions.
03:40:04.000So, like, I'm sorry for you, like, because you had to debate that, and, like, Anarchist yesterday, and he wanted to, like, bring us all back to the Paleolithic era.
03:42:02.000No, no, I wanted your specific thoughts on specifically the scientific experiments that German scientists were instructed to do during World War II.
03:42:16.000Well, I will say that there is a lot of nonsense floating around there.
03:42:22.000Like I said, I'm not a denier, but we can all agree that this lampshades and bars of soap business, lots of bullshit.
03:42:30.000If you read some of these diaries or personal accounts, and I don't know if you guys want to look into this, but they make these ridiculous claims.
03:42:40.000There was one claim, and this was, by the way, the Nuremberg trials.
03:42:45.000Not like I'm pulling this out of my ass.
03:42:46.000This was in the Nuremberg trials when they're trying the Nazi for war crimes.
03:42:57.000They had people that said that they would use carbon monoxide to kill people by running like gas engines.
03:43:02.000And like, I mean, you know, the narrative is that it was Zyklon or whatever, but it wasn't carbon monoxide engines.
03:43:08.000You know, I mean, that doesn't make any sense.
03:43:10.000They would say that they would get, they would be ushered into like death chambers, get haircuts,
03:43:15.000Then get the hair removed to make beds for Germans, move the people out, clean up the rooms, move them back in, then kill them.
03:43:23.000So, you know, I think there's a lot of stuff that's clearly like, you know, atrocity propaganda.
03:43:29.000You see this in any war, in any time there's atrocity propaganda where they try and really make it heavy-handed to guilt.
03:43:35.000People and to, you know, bring down the hammer on the, uh, you know, transgressing country, but obviously I'm against, you know, genocide or human experimentation.
03:43:44.000I mean, I'm against things that are evil, but I, you know, like every Holocaust survivor said that they were, uh, experimented on by Mengele, like every single one.
03:46:37.000Can I say that one video that you made of like the beginning of Emma Lou's video and then like you came out and like said all that funny ass shit?
03:46:46.000That was legitimately like the funniest TikTok I have ever seen in my life.
03:46:51.000Wait, wait, so why does your camera shake like a tiny bit?
03:50:18.000Like, I know you're in college, and I just did my application, and they literally, there was a literal slider on my application, it was like, this is the political left, this is the political right, just like, slide where you are.
03:50:31.000And like- Why would they ask you that on a college thing?
03:50:36.000Yeah, they're going to say, okay, you're a little bit too far to the right.
03:50:58.000Like, I used to be good about answering DMs, but now, like, since I've gotten bigger, I just, I literally, I can't answer all of them and stuff.
03:51:05.000So, like, I only really answer, like, people.
03:51:07.000I go, because my account's a creator account.
03:51:09.000Like, I have that set up, like, in the Instagram setting.
03:51:11.000So, I usually hit my, like, when I'm looking through my DMs, I hit top requests, which, like, puts the people with the most followers at the top.
03:51:19.000So, yeah, I only really answer people that, like, have a big following or something.
03:51:23.000Sometimes I get other, like, big TikTokers that DM me.
03:51:26.000They don't have enough clout for Nick.
03:51:28.000Well, no, I don't have time to answer everyone individually like I used to, but, yeah, I mean, I don't use TikTok as a tool to find women or anything like that, if that's what you're asking.
03:51:37.000Oh, it's like, but your political life is still sort of isolated from your life in college?
03:51:43.000Yeah, so, like, well, I'm not in college yet.
03:52:38.000Like I don't, I don't talk politics a lot, like with my friends that I have in person, other than like a couple, other than like a select few.
03:52:46.000I mean, I don't, I'm really political on TikTok obviously, cause like that's my brand, but I don't, I don't really bring that into my personal life at all.
03:58:19.000But one thing that I have to add to that is if you look at like what Portugal did like they used to have like a really huge opioid overdose problem in Portugal and they actually decriminalized it and they saw their overdoses go down by like a ton like a significant amount by like 85% I think and the reason for that was because people were they were scared before that because they were scared if like they turn themselves into like the hospital or whatever to get treatment that they would be sent to jail and so like the way I look at it is if you legalize if you
03:58:47.000I'm not necessarily for the legalization of hard drugs, but like stuff like that.
03:58:52.000Like, I mean, if you look at like what Portugal did with that, I mean, it, it definitely, it helped their issue there.
03:58:57.000There was less people overdosing because they went to go get help and stuff like that.
03:59:01.000The main, the main issue that I see with, um, like completely legalizing all hard drugs here is like those people that were on that.
04:05:21.000Of course, the main clips that pull up on my YouTube feed are probably the ones where Nick Fuentes gets roasted by Ben Shapiro.
04:05:36.000Uh, so I mean, you know, yes, I had a, definitely a different outlook of Nick going into this and yeah, he's, he's actually a human being, so.
04:05:46.000That's exactly why we do these things.
04:05:48.000Like we bring, when we do our lives like this on our Zooms, we bring up everyone that we can, like 100%, like left, right, middle, circle.
04:05:58.000We had freaking communists in last night, so we're, we just try to give everybody a voice and we actually have just like regular conversations.
04:06:07.000Well you guys should be proud because you guys are braver than Ben Shapiro who's like the big conservative because he won't even, he goes from not acknowledging Nick to doing a 45 minute speech on himself.
04:07:55.000People that think that you should be allowed, that it should be promoted or accepted by our society or even allowed by the law.
04:08:03.000Yeah, I just find it funny how they're gonna be like, oh, they can make their own decisions, but then when they do something, you can't make your own decisions?
04:09:18.000So how can you say that it's a sin if you're born that way and you don't even have a choice in the matter?
04:09:26.000Well, I would disagree, and I don't believe it's been scientifically established that it's genetic, that there is a gay gene or that homosexuality is genetic.
04:09:35.000I think that, you know, maybe there's a genetic factor.
04:09:40.000But in any case, we can say that same-sex attracted persons probably do not choose to be same-sex attracted, which I would concede.
04:09:49.000But I would say that to act on those attractions is a choice.
04:09:52.000You know, a person might be predisposed to being an alcoholic.
04:09:56.000You know, I had a lot of family members going generations back that were addicted to drugs or that had problems with alcohol.
04:10:03.000And so you could say that I might have a predisposition to being an alcoholic or something like that.
04:10:10.000So for me to be, you know, having that predisposition, that in itself is not a sin.
04:10:15.000But if I were to become a drunkard, being a drunkard is a sin.
04:10:18.000In the same way that, you know, maybe somebody's predisposed to be an adulterer.
04:10:23.000You know, maybe somebody has a higher libido.
04:10:25.000I don't know how the genetics work on that.
04:10:26.000But you might have the desire to have sex with somebody outside of marriage, but that does not mean that acting on that desire is not a sin.
04:10:34.000So, I mean, it's a tough thing, and I'm sure it's a tough thing for a lot of people who feel that way and are trying to live right.
04:10:41.000And you know, nobody's saying like, oh, it's easy, you know, just, uh, Hey, stop being same sex attracted or something.
04:14:13.000Do you think maybe we should make that federal law or something, or how do you feel about that?
04:14:18.000Yeah, I think we should ban gay adoption.
04:14:20.000I think it is, you know, to put people in households like that I think is wrong, so I've never been in favor of that.
04:14:27.000But do you think that it's better for them to grow up in like an orphanage or a foster home where they could be abused?
04:14:33.000I think it'd be more likely for them to get abused in a gay household than in an orphanage, if you want to know the truth.
04:14:39.000And I think the other abuse is that, at least in an orphanage, they're not learning that sin is okay.
04:14:44.000You grow up in a gay household, and I mean, any gay partnership is not going to be one that's Christian, or ordered towards God, or anything like that.
04:14:52.000And it's like, sure, not to minimize it, but if you go into a foster home, it's going to be rough, but you're not going to be on that path to hell, like if you get raised by gay people and you think,
04:16:39.000I was just wondering, because, like, I'm conservative as well, but I feel like, to some, right, you know, they're still humans, they should still have the right to raise a child.
04:16:46.000But, like, I understand what point you're coming from, the religious, because I'm Christian as well, so I understand what you're saying there, as, you know, I'd like kids to be raised in Christian households with Christian morals as well.
04:16:57.000But, yeah, I understand what you mean there.
04:17:00.000Well, and a baby has a right to a father and a mother.
04:17:02.000So I feel like, you know, it's different if like a married couple does it versus like a gay couple.
04:17:07.000Cause it's like, you've deprived that child of their, I mean, they may obviously have a biological mother, but they won't be raised by it.
04:17:45.000Yeah, I haven't looked at the research on that.
04:17:46.000It's been scientifically proven to show that, like, if a kid grows up in a household with a father and a mother... But just before I say this, I think that gay couples should be able to drop it.
04:17:55.000I think it's better to grow up in that household than an orphanage.
04:17:58.000But it's been scientifically proven that if you grow up in a two-parent household with a father and a mother, you're at a significantly... Oh my gosh.
04:18:05.000You're at a significantly higher chance to commit crime and be in prison for it.
04:18:11.000Yeah, I agree with that too, but then how do you feel about like, you know, in some gay couples, there's like, let's say like for men, there's the more feminine man and the more masculine man.
04:18:18.000Do you understand what I'm trying to say?
04:18:33.000Do you understand what I'm trying to say?
04:18:34.000Just because I feel like, how I personally feel about it, and I get called like misogynistic for this, but I feel like in relationships there should be the dad as the disciplinarian figure and the mother as the caretaker.
04:23:39.000How many people have been watching us for just days?
04:23:41.000He's been streaming this whole time, dude.
04:23:43.000It's gonna be like in Star Wars, Charlie Kirk is gonna be bashing me over and over and Lance will be watching behind and slow and Lance, you know, Charlie Kirk smashing me with a sledgehammer or something and Lance will watch and he'll pick Charlie Kirk up over and over.
04:23:57.000See, you're admitting that you're on the dark side because you're Palpatine.
04:25:07.000I don't know what happened, but... I think, I think he may have gotten removed whenever other, like, TikTokers were trying to join and we were trying to... Alright, alright, can I ask my question here?
04:25:16.000Can I speak on, uh... No, we won't, we won't.
04:29:14.000Okay, um... Alright, I think I'm going to say goodbye because I'm about to pass out in my chair, so... Yeah, I'm probably going to get out.
04:30:19.000Um, well, besides for the roasting, thank you for accompanying my stuffed animals.
04:30:22.000That one's named Mary Kate the Beagle.
04:30:24.000I've had that thing since I was like two years old.
04:30:26.000Gave it to my uncle, so thank you for making fun of me for that one.
04:30:29.000Um, but something I just wanted to say, just as somebody who is spectating this, before Nick even joined this chat, um, and as somebody who's involved with like the whole campus conservative sort of like turning point college republican thing where I live in New York State, is before Nick joined, I like, I'm uh, the conservative values, I don't know what your name is, sorry.
04:30:46.000But you were calling, I'm not saying this is a bad thing, I'm saying this as just general, this is what you're doing, you can go around the table and watch it, you were saying that Nick was racist, that his supporters were racist, and some things along these lines.
04:30:58.000And as this conversation has progressed, I've seen, I've, we've all seen this transformation of you and a lot of these other TikTok people into more, being a lot more accepting of Nick's side and accepting of his supporters and his movement, and I think that's,
04:31:14.000Something that's very, I think it's very admirable that we've seen from you and I think it's a very good sign.
04:31:19.000Well, the thing is, you know, whenever, whenever Nick's, you know, I, I never had like entertained the idea of like, I guess backing up Nick Fuentes.
04:31:30.000Only time I've ever seen Nick Fuentes is like the, the times that people try to bash him on YouTube.
04:32:10.000You know, be a little bit more, you know, open.
04:32:13.000Yeah, and expanding on that, before the college semester got, you know, interrupted by this coronavirus thing, I was able to give a presentation during my College Republicans on a topic that Nick doesn't really talk about often, but it's sort of, I wanted to encapsulate some disagreements between conservatives.
04:32:33.000And I, the main idea of it was using the government to help people is a good idea.
04:32:38.000And just on that issue alone, just me like being alone, like I thought I was alone in that room, giving that discussion to a lot of like libertarian conservative minded kids.
04:32:48.000After I gave that presentation, I was like debating on people, I felt like I was debating a Steven Crowder video with some of these kids.
04:32:56.000After I gave that presentation, a lot of the members came up to me and they thanked me for giving that perspective on something as simple as health care because they were scared to say that they thought that something like universal health care in this way that Germany or Japan does it, not like Medicare for all like Sanders wants, but using the government to help people in that way is a good idea and that they were afraid to share that opinion because they thought they would be alone.
04:33:18.000And we call this the spiral of silence in the journalism field, in the communications field.
04:33:26.000The spiral of silence is where if you think you're alone, you're not going to speak.
04:33:30.000And something that Nick has been able to grasp onto in the conservative movement is that he is one of the only people, like most visible out there people, that are sharing his views on immigration, his views on race, his views on certain lobbies in the government, that he is the one
04:33:51.000And his movement is going to lead to more and more people being comfortable with sharing their positions.
04:33:57.000And as you said previously, you had this perception of Nick and his movement as sort of this out there, internet, dark corner, alt-right thing, I think some of you were calling him.
04:34:09.000No, I'm not saying you called him that.
04:34:54.000Like his, you know, fans, dedication, his, you know, followers, dedication and everything to, you know, his movement that he's begun.
04:35:01.000And so, you know, I, I definitely, uh, I definitely think that, you know, it, I think this opportunity, it's given an opportunity for all of us to, I guess, hear him out, you know, especially for all of us who maybe had not before.
04:35:14.000And so it, uh, offers us a little, Vicente really.
04:35:29.000The quick thing about me is I was actually, this is going to be the funniest thing you've ever heard in your life, I was actually diagnosed with a processing delay when I was three years old.
04:35:38.000If you know what that is, that actually is a learning disability, very similar to autism.
04:35:42.000So it is an accurate statement to call me the chat autist.
04:35:46.000I'm like, this is exactly why we do these live streams.
04:35:50.000Just so we can have everybody's view out there.
04:36:03.000No, I mean, listen, I am open to hearing anybody's point of view.
04:36:07.000That doesn't mean, you know, that Nick going into this knew that he was going to change everybody's minds, you know, that whenever he got in here, you know, that the point, the point was for all of us to... What is that?
04:36:27.000No, I'm literally laying in my bed right now dude.
04:36:41.000And so that's what I was trying to figure out who that was before I finished talking anyways.
04:36:45.000But yeah, no, going into this, everybody wanted to, you know, ask Nick questions and find out, you know, further what he believed, you know, from, you know, cause it's a different story whenever you're talking to someone, you know, one-on-one having them answer your questions and having them, you know, give you insight on what they believe rather than what, you know, some journalist or some YouTube video says about somebody.
04:38:12.000I mean, I'd like to stay unmuted because I like talking, but... I think we're gonna probably close it up anyway soon, so... I mean, it's 5am.
04:39:28.000You're not like, you know, sometimes I get on a stream and people are like, oh, you're you hate women and they're simps or whatever, but you guys are based.
04:39:36.000So it's nice not being on a stream of Destiny every other month.
04:50:37.000Um, my question was, uh, like, a genuine question.
04:50:40.000Uh, like, I didn't understand why you guys repeatedly would go into different groups.
04:50:45.000Like, I believe, um, I forget his name, but there was a boy who was talking about trans rights and, like, LGBTQIA issues earlier, oh, much earlier, not this late.
04:50:59.000And he was talking about things and you guys would, like, directly go and, um,
04:51:05.000And of course there's trans people that molest kids.
04:51:51.000If I may answer with an answer that hasn't been said yet tonight, the reason we pick out these sort of examples of like the extreme parts of your movement, or any movement for that matter, is we see these people as like the logical conclusion of that line of thinking.
04:52:07.000So like when we're talking about transgenderism, we're talking about gay rights and stuff like that,
04:52:12.000The reason pedophilia and NAMBLA and those groups were brought up was that the line of thinking and the arguments in favor of transgenderism, we see it as it can eventually be a way to justify pedophilia or justify other acts that we consider deviant or I'm sure even you consider deviant.
04:52:32.000So that's one of the main reasons we picked those out.
04:52:35.000So I could refute that argument by saying that the right-wing movement, or people in the right-wing movement, could be passing legislation to be openly homophobic, racist.
04:52:56.000That wasn't my general question, but yeah, I am conceding, I guess, to the fact that there are parts of every movement that can be seen in a negative light.
04:53:04.000Oh, do I have to separate myself from that opinion?
04:54:57.000Well, I just feel like there are people who exist who are Christian and both gay or Christian and straight, and they just generally don't feel the need to push their beliefs on other people.
04:55:11.000And honestly, I barely agree with anything you say, but I respect you as a debater.
04:58:02.000If I may add on to the voting question here, I'm not really from a sex or a race point of view, but there have been studies over time where when voting has been expanded to the general population, so in the beginning of the country where it was only landowning whites could vote, you had the average grade level of a speech of a presidential candidate was a grade of 12.
04:58:24.000Vote kept getting expanded and expanded to more people, to non-landowning citizens,
04:58:30.000Drop back down to, I believe, eight or nine.
04:58:33.000Then, obviously, after the Civil War, when African-Americans were given the right to vote, I think it stayed the same a little bit, but then went down as the new demographics were brought in.
04:58:41.000And then when women were given the vote in the 1920s, I'm not saying I disagree with that.
04:58:45.000I disagree with the pan-VMW thing of women voting.
04:58:48.000Sorry to cuck a little bit there, but I'm just giving a wider perspective on it.
04:58:51.000No, no, this guy's got the right idea.
04:59:02.000And as we've gone, and even in the 1960s, when the final voting reforms of the Voting Rights Act, we've seen the grade level of presidential speeches go way down through the roof, through the floor.
04:59:14.000This is how you get people like President Trump, where
04:59:18.000We can, or me and Nick, I'm sure would agree that Trump is a genius, that he does know what he's doing, but with his speaking patterns and his style of marketing, it is lowest common denominator.
04:59:27.000And the reason for that is because we have a lot of people voting.
04:59:36.000We repeal the 19th on the grounds of like, oh, there's just too many people voting, and then we just don't give women the right to vote back.
05:00:59.000You kind of came in kind of hot, and so they're really just giving you what you gave back, honestly.
05:01:03.000Because if you paid attention to the whole conversation, everybody was chill, and they all were normal, until you came in super hot, flipping everybody off, talking smack.
05:01:13.000I'll be honest, I rose to the occasion.
05:07:10.000I think that the biggest goal that we need to push towards is just...
05:07:21.000Teaching people that ideas from the radical left are just, they're not good and they're not going to dive towards getting away from that, those radical leftist ideologies.
05:07:32.000And you can look, you can look at it from many different perspectives on how you want to get there.
05:07:36.000You can look at it from Nick Fuentes' perspective of just shutting everything, shutting- Oh, there's only one way.
05:07:43.000There's only one way, but I just wanted to hear y'all's way.
05:07:47.000I mean honestly like it's just I think that at this point in time going we're gonna become radical like we're just there's so many so many like people that are just being enlightened enlightened I guess by the progressive movement.
05:08:07.000So if Nick's politics aren't the answer, y'all have an answer?
05:08:31.000I think that at this point, it's just, we're gonna, we're moving towards the radical left, like even the GOP is moving to the left over time.
05:08:41.000Um, I just, I, and there's such like an uprising of the progressive movement and everything, like with Bernie Sanders and AOC and Ilhan Omar.
05:08:48.000I just, I think it's, what's going to happen is, is we're going to be like the UK.
05:08:52.000We're going to move towards the radical left for a little while, and then we're going to realize that it fucked everything up.
05:08:58.000And then we're going to go through what the UK went through, like with Boris Johnson now.
05:09:04.000Right, but I think to get to the radical left, it would require, you know, a sort of demographic change that you couldn't just shift back from.
05:09:14.000So like, unless we go Nick's route, Nick Fuentes' route, how, are we just supposed to lose?
05:09:23.000Like, is that what you tell the common man?
05:09:24.000Well, you know, just, we're gonna lose, but- Well, we gotta debate ideas and convince people that leftist ideas are wrong.
05:11:46.000Sam Francis wrote about this in the 1990s.
05:11:49.000He called the middle American radicals.
05:11:52.000And middle American radicals, he wrote a long book about it called Revolt, Revolution from the Middle.
05:11:59.000And he talked about how there's a major demographic that crosses party lines of middle Americans.
05:12:06.000Middle Americans that are maybe more culturally conservative, and maybe it's a little bit more, there's a lot of variability with economic and other issues.
05:12:15.000We'll see a lot of its contingent on how events transpire in the next few years.
05:12:18.000You know, I mean, a lot of it's very variable and contingent, unpredictable.
05:13:09.000Depending on the group, a little bit more leeway than others, but it's not going to happen because there's so many people coming in.
05:13:16.000The demographics are changing so rapidly that we don't have time for Lance to go to Tijuana with his constitution and tell everybody why the First Amendment is such a winner.
05:13:25.000Because these people, they don't have... It's like going to Iraq and trying to create a democracy.
05:13:38.000So you're so I just I was just curious so you both are wanting to change people's minds you just want to go about different demographics it sounds like.
05:13:44.000Well no not necessarily um I think a better way of saying it well I mean expanding on it rather is or not explaining what Nick said I meant I'm I'm tired what I meant to say is another way to look at this
05:13:58.000Is why would we even want African Americans to vote for us to begin with?
05:14:02.000You can see within the African American community, they have these major divisions clearly between their women and their men.
05:14:08.000You see this in the divorce rates and domestic violence disputes and all that.
05:14:11.000And really the only demographic we would be able to target to vote for the GOP is African American working class men.
05:14:18.000And we already have all these divisions in their community.
05:14:21.000Why would we want to add, how would it be helpful to them to add another division of party identification?
05:14:29.000I don't think that would help them in any given, like, perceivable way, besides for helping us win more elections, which, I mean, at the end of the day, who cares?
05:14:36.000I mean, it's important to win elections, obviously, but if it's going to cause, like, counterproductive achievements that we don't want to achieve, that we, like, would otherwise want, like, we want an orderly society, and having more division is less order.
05:14:59.000No, what I'm saying is we should not encourage division between, in the middle of a community that's already heavily divided on gender, when the only demographic that would vote for the GOP would be the men, not the women.
05:15:12.000And if we want an orderly society that is run with laws, and that is run cohesively with all the populations, why would we want more division like that than there already is?
05:15:38.000We just make it easier for white people to have kids because it's super hard for a working class white family to have a big family right now.
05:17:50.000If I got unmuted earlier, I was going to bring up some stats that say that gay parents, their kids end up having more problems than with married parents.
05:17:58.000It's a little too late for that now, but... Also, someone in the chat said the kid with the Nick the Knife thing is cringe.