America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - Nick Fuentes vs. Arthur Schaper

00:00:03.000 And we are live.

00:00:05.000 We are here with Arthur Shopper.

00:00:07.000 Many of you probably know him from other debates.

00:00:10.000 Others may know him from the video we have on our channel called Saving Arthur Shopper, where we went into the trenches in Berkeley, California, and saved him from being spit on in a corner surrounded by people who were spitting on him.

00:00:26.000 I already was spitting on you.

00:00:28.000 And don't forget the glitter bombing.

00:00:30.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:00:32.000 And then we have Nick Fuentes with.

00:00:36.000 Everyone knows Nick Fuentes, Nick Nye Fuentes, who just destroys people in debates here.

00:00:40.000 And we're here to talk about Israel. 0.81

00:00:41.000 Arthur Schopper is a proponent of Israel.

00:00:46.000 He's a proponent of Israel. 0.98

00:00:48.000 And he says Zionism is good. 0.94

00:00:51.000 And he also is a proponent of the Iraq War. 0.76

00:00:54.000 Nick, on the other hand, is an opponent of both.

00:00:58.000 And we are going to debate those things today. 0.72

00:01:00.000 The first question I'm going to ask both of you, and I'll start with Arthur Schopper, is do you agree with Zionism?

00:01:07.000 And why?

00:01:08.000 Arthur, go ahead. 0.99

00:01:09.000 Yes, I absolutely support Zionism. 0.65

00:01:12.000 My understanding of it is that the Jews needed to have their own homeland because they were facing unfettered persecution, starting in the late 1870s in France, which was supposed to be the most egalitarian country in Western Europe.

00:01:25.000 And even there, they faced persecution.

00:01:27.000 The Dreyfus Affair was the most egregious element.

00:01:31.000 And so you had Theodore Herzl saying the Jews need to have a homeland.

00:01:35.000 I support it specifically because it's a biblical reality.

00:01:40.000 I have talked about this before and I don't run away from it. 0.74

00:01:43.000 I take God at his word that Jews would be returning back to Israel. 1.00

00:01:47.000 It is happening right now. 1.00

00:01:49.000 You have a prophecy in Jeremiah 23 of Jews not only coming from Babylon, but from the North Country.

00:01:58.000 That speaks of Russia specifically.

00:02:01.000 I believe that the Jews have a right to have a homeland right there in the Middle East in their ancestral lands, although some people want to make the argument that they stole it or that it's occupied.

00:02:12.000 No.

00:02:13.000 And there are some who make the argument that this was a secular push.

00:02:17.000 There are, and I want to let's establish this now because I think it's a faulty talking point.

00:02:23.000 If you are anti Zionist, that does not necessarily make you an anti Semite.

00:02:28.000 Why?

00:02:28.000 There are Orthodox Jews who oppose the current nation state of Israel, feeling that it was outside of God's will.

00:02:35.000 However, I would submit that all anti Semites are anti Zionists.

00:02:39.000 So that's the basics of it.

00:02:42.000 I'm glad that Israel exists, they are a blessing to the world.

00:02:45.000 Their technology.

00:02:46.000 By the way, we have cell phones today because of inventors in Israel.

00:02:50.000 They are working on, I was going to mention this in our chat beforehand, they are working on a flying car right now, the X Hawk, relying on drone technology.

00:02:59.000 They have helped provide water and food to millions in Africa and even in the hostile nations next door to them.

00:03:06.000 God bless the great state of Israel.

00:03:08.000 Last thing, supporting the state of Israel as an American who cares about my country does not displace the love of your own country.

00:03:16.000 There's our, I've been smeared with the Are there Israel first cart?

00:03:20.000 Nonsense.

00:03:21.000 You can still put America first and still recognize Israel as an ally. 0.98

00:03:27.000 Go ahead, Nick. 0.80

00:03:28.000 Yeah, so on Zionism, I don't really have very strong feelings one way or the other in terms of whether or not it should exist, whether or not it should exist in Palestine or anything like that. 0.94

00:03:40.000 My problem is only when they influence our interests, when they influence our country. 0.98

00:03:45.000 I think that if you look at Zionism, it's been really a great disaster in terms of. 0.99

00:03:50.000 We've had this project which has been unfolding in the Middle East for about 140 years now. 0.98

00:03:55.000 And we've seen that this country has essentially operated as a rogue country, has essentially operated as the foremost pariah state in the region. 0.95

00:04:04.000 We look at any of the conflicts of the last 25, 30 years, and I think Israel is at the root of them all. 0.89

00:04:10.000 You could go back to the 1980s plan for Israel by the Oded Yunnan regime. 0.97

00:04:16.000 I think you could go back to the Clean Break Memo. 0.91

00:04:19.000 You can go back to a number of documents drawn up in the last 35 and 40 years where they explicitly planned for a very Very chaotic, very destabilizing foreign policy in the Middle East.

00:04:30.000 And so, you know, for example, you look at the Iraq war in 2003.

00:04:34.000 I think Israel was responsible for the push for ousting Saddam Hussein in order to secure their northern border.

00:04:41.000 I think the present Syrian civil war is a consequence of Israel's foreign policy. 0.63

00:04:45.000 The present push for war with Iran is a consequence of Israel's foreign policy. 0.65

00:04:49.000 And so when you look at what Israel has wrought in the Middle East, it's something that's completely contrary to our interests. 0.73

00:04:55.000 And so, you know, people get called Israel first, people get called Israel first. 0.94

00:05:00.000 A lot of names for supporting Israel.

00:05:02.000 And that's because I think it's almost mutually exclusive that you support America's interests in the region as well as Israel's interests in the region.

00:05:09.000 The two are directly contradictory.

00:05:11.000 I'll give you one example America's single central objective in Syria is the defeat of ISIS.

00:05:17.000 You've had multiple high ranking government ministers in Israel, from the defense minister to their military intelligence chief, who have all said that they do not explicitly seek the defeat of ISIS in Syria. 0.75

00:05:30.000 They say, in fact, they'd rather have ISIS in Syria. 0.55

00:05:33.000 Than Iran.

00:05:34.000 And of course, I don't care who's in Syria so long as ISIS is defeated and the Assad government is stabilized.

00:05:40.000 But of course, Israel does not think so.

00:05:42.000 And so, you know, of course, we'll get into our relationship with them.

00:05:46.000 But I guess in summary, I don't really have strong feelings about Zionism in the abstract. 0.67

00:05:53.000 My only problem is that it has had very, very adverse effects for the region and thus for the United States. 0.72

00:06:01.000 So in its present state, I think this is the big question for the Middle East how do they reconcile the Jewish state? 0.97

00:06:08.000 In one of the holier sites in the Middle East, it's a challenge. 1.00

00:06:14.000 All right, yeah. 1.00

00:06:16.000 So we also have a lot of Christian Zionists here.

00:06:21.000 For me in particular, I'd like to touch on that Christian Zionism, the support for Israel's basic Zionism.

00:06:31.000 Arthur said that he doesn't think that the land is stolen.

00:06:35.000 Arthur, do you want to respond to anything that Nick just said?

00:06:38.000 Yes, I think this is going very well.

00:06:41.000 Oh, and just a reminder to everybody I'm in my wonderful home and I don't do lines of coke.

00:06:47.000 I just felt like sharing that.

00:06:48.000 Thank you.

00:06:49.000 So, first of all, when you're a small state that's smaller than the nation, smaller than the state of New Jersey, one of the military interests that ultimately has to come into play is keeping enemies fighting each other.

00:07:02.000 And I would submit that may be an argument why they said what they said about ISIS.

00:07:06.000 I was not aware of those specific comments by the generals.

00:07:09.000 To me, that doesn't undermine.

00:07:11.000 Our interest in the region as Americans.

00:07:14.000 Second of all, to me, the fact that this term Zionism, there's a distinction I want to draw out immediately.

00:07:21.000 Are we talking about Zionism, the entity of Israel, the country, or are we also talking about the government? 0.59

00:07:26.000 My answer is any citizen should distrust their government.

00:07:30.000 There's nothing wrong with being critical of the government.

00:07:32.000 The Ariel Sharon government was foolish to give away Gaza and tearing out Israeli settlers and citizens in that region. 0.98

00:07:41.000 It's now turned into a third world shithole. 0.95

00:07:43.000 The argument that Israel is the source of all the problems in the region is just untenable.

00:07:50.000 The fact is that there have been pogroms against Jews in Libya, in Iraq, before Israel even showed up.

00:07:56.000 There was hatred of Jews in the region beforehand.

00:08:00.000 The Israelis, when they established the state, they were more than willing to have the Arabs live there as well.

00:08:05.000 But the mindset we've seen from the teachings in the Quran to the present day is that Jews are enemies. 0.98

00:08:10.000 They're the descendants of chimps and apes, and they should be pushed into the sea. 0.73

00:08:14.000 There can be no discussion of peace when one side of the discussion does not believe the other side has a right to live.

00:08:20.000 That isn't just Dennis Prager talking.

00:08:22.000 That is Newt Gingrich, Condoleezza Rice, and Thomas Friedman.

00:08:25.000 They had this roundtable with George Stephanopoulos in 2006.

00:08:30.000 Stop blaming Israel for the problems in the Middle East.

00:08:33.000 Why don't we talk about the rampant hatred?

00:08:35.000 What are some of the few books that you can buy in Syria?

00:08:38.000 Nick, do you know what some of the one book that is very popular in Syria right now, if there's time to read, is The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a czarist forgery which has been thoroughly debunked.

00:08:49.000 And then you wonder why there is widespread hatred of Jews.

00:08:52.000 It's been going on a lot longer than the inception of Israel as a state in 1948.

00:09:00.000 Did I miss anything?

00:09:01.000 Or was there a question you would ask me, James?

00:09:03.000 Yeah, I think there is something you missed, which is what is America's interest in all of this?

00:09:09.000 I mean, look, we're talking about Zionism, and I'll look, I readily concede there is a lot of anti Semitism in the Middle East.

00:09:18.000 You can look at Palestine.

00:09:21.000 There were comments made recently by Mahmoud Abbas of the Palestinian Authority.

00:09:25.000 Who recently made comments very controversial about the Holocaust, no doubt.

00:09:29.000 And, you know, I think it's worth mentioning that Jewish people have been expelled from 108 different provinces in history.

00:09:35.000 And, of course, it was always blind racial prejudice.

00:09:39.000 And I'll leave it at that.

00:09:40.000 So I'll concede that there is a lot of prejudice in the reason.

00:09:43.000 There always has been.

00:09:44.000 You know, I'll readily concede that.

00:09:46.000 But you seem to have glossed over the fact that we give this country $3.8 billion per year, and that's only in direct financial aid.

00:09:55.000 You gloss over the fact that we give them all this money in spite of the fact that they are.

00:09:59.000 Actively working against our interests.

00:10:02.000 And you also gloss over the fact that they not only had a vested interest in all the chaos and destabilization in the Middle East, but actually there's a lot of evidence that they were directly responsible for it.

00:10:12.000 I don't think you'd gloss over that.

00:10:15.000 You kind of swept all that under the rug to make this case of, oh, well, Israel's a moral nation and they shouldn't have done this and they shouldn't have done that.

00:10:22.000 And I think that's kind of irrelevant to the entire conversation.

00:10:25.000 I frankly, I don't really care what goes on in the Eastern Mediterranean.

00:10:29.000 The Eastern Mediterranean is not a strategically important region in the world.

00:10:33.000 I think if you're looking at it from America's point of view, we want a stable Middle East.

00:10:37.000 We want the Persian Gulf to keep pumping out oil.

00:10:40.000 We don't want one country to control the Persian Gulf.

00:10:42.000 If you look at how Israel affects those interests or ISIS or a number of other issues, Israel is either neutral or they're working against our interests.

00:10:52.000 And you say, like, oh, I haven't heard those comments.

00:10:54.000 And I don't know.

00:10:55.000 How can you continue to ignore that?

00:10:58.000 Arthur, do you want to respond to that?

00:11:02.000 Well, my answer is that it is the only.

00:11:05.000 Thriving, stable democracy in the region. 0.95

00:11:07.000 They also serve as a check to Iran. 0.96

00:11:09.000 I care. 0.99

00:11:10.000 That's who.

00:11:10.000 And many other people do, regardless of whether you care or not.

00:11:13.000 I think we can get behind debating just as a matter of who cares and who doesn't.

00:11:16.000 Oh, you know who also cares?

00:11:18.000 Harry Truman did when he first recognized Israel, despite the fact that you agree with his sentiment that black people and Asian people should live in different countries besides the United States.

00:11:28.000 Harry Truman was one of the first to recognize the state of Israel, recognizing its role to play.

00:11:32.000 Do you want to know why he supported Israel's?

00:11:36.000 He recognized them as this.

00:11:37.000 Do you want to know why?

00:11:39.000 Fire away.

00:11:40.000 What's your take on it?

00:11:43.000 In his own words, he said that the Jewish voters were much more influential than were the Arab Palestinian voters.

00:11:50.000 So, actually, if you look at the history of how we recognized Israel as a sovereign nation under Truman in 1948, all of the State Department advised him against it.

00:12:01.000 They said if we recognized Israel, it would actually hurt our standing with the other Arab nations because, as you know, the Cold War was in its early stages and we were competing for.

00:12:13.000 These countries like Egypt, Syria, they were almost in the Arab Republic together, like Saudi Arabia, Iran, others.

00:12:22.000 And it actually hurt our standing with those countries to recognize them. 0.68

00:12:26.000 But Truman said that domestically it would be a much bigger hurdle if we were to not do it because the Jews would be upset than if we were to refuse and then the Arabs would let them. 0.83

00:12:37.000 The point is that he recognized them, didn't he? 0.90

00:12:40.000 Yeah, but I think you already are glossing over the fact that the reason he recognized them was not because it was in our national. 0.86

00:12:48.000 Not because it was in our national security interest, but it was because the Jewish influence in the country forced us to put their interests ahead of our own. 0.82

00:12:57.000 And you say, oh, well, but we recognize that. 0.95

00:13:00.000 So you're making the claim that there were Jewish advisors here and here who told them to do it.

00:13:03.000 Is that what you're saying? 0.51

00:13:04.000 No, I'm saying that there were powerful Zionists at the time.

00:13:08.000 And look, this is not even disputed by mainstream historians.

00:13:11.000 The Zionist movement was very powerful for the first 50 years of the 20th century and powerful influences in Wall Street, in media, and Harry Truman.

00:13:21.000 I don't know if they put pressure on him.

00:13:23.000 I don't know anything like that.

00:13:25.000 But Harry Truman himself, he's quoted as saying that the reason he recognized Israel is because the Jews would make a big fuss about that and the Arabs wouldn't.

00:13:34.000 I don't find that credible.

00:13:36.000 And I really couldn't care less what the mainstream media has to say ultimately.

00:13:39.000 Because you have academia as well that's pushed a lot of faulty theories, to put it mildly, like evolution.

00:13:45.000 I had that discussion previously.

00:13:47.000 The fact of the matter is, it's in the best interest to have a strong and stable Israel. 0.95

00:13:51.000 I have no problem with a nuclear Israel, certainly serving as a counterbalance to Iran. 0.92

00:13:56.000 Now, you made a comment on Twitter that we should denuclearize Israel. 0.96

00:13:59.000 Why?

00:14:01.000 Well, why?

00:14:02.000 First of all, you made a claim.

00:14:04.000 You said, I believe.

00:14:05.000 What was your point on Twitter, did you not? 0.78

00:14:07.000 You said that Israel should be denuclearized. 0.51

00:14:10.000 You made a claim. 0.99

00:14:11.000 I'll answer that question.

00:14:12.000 I'd be happy to answer that question in a moment, more than happy, actually.

00:14:16.000 But you made a claim.

00:14:17.000 You said, I believe it's important we have a strong and stable Israel.

00:14:20.000 Yes.

00:14:20.000 Why?

00:14:21.000 Why?

00:14:21.000 Because I see them as.

00:14:24.000 I just mentioned already that we need a thriving democracy in the region. 0.85

00:14:28.000 We need to have their military prowess there to keep Hezbollah in line, which they did in 2006. 0.95

00:14:32.000 Why? 1.00

00:14:33.000 We need them to be there.

00:14:34.000 You're the one who wants a stable Israel.

00:14:36.000 That's what you just told me. 0.93

00:14:37.000 No, I didn't.

00:14:38.000 No, I did not.

00:14:40.000 Stabilize the region.

00:14:41.000 You've said that three times. 0.99

00:14:43.000 Do you think we're going to have a stable region in there if we don't have Israel? 0.87

00:14:43.000 The Persian Gulf. 0.87

00:14:47.000 That's your contention.

00:14:48.000 Absolutely.

00:14:50.000 Add 110%.

00:14:51.000 Absolutely.

00:14:52.000 I disagree.

00:14:53.000 They don't stop there. 0.63

00:14:55.000 First, they get rid of Israel, then they get rid of the United States. 0.66

00:14:59.000 They serve as an offensive against their terrorist threats. 0.77

00:15:02.000 We have had them as their hook before.

00:15:04.000 Well, I don't care if you laugh.

00:15:05.000 Let me show you something.

00:15:07.000 But the bottom line comes down to this because I'm going to be very foundational on this matter.

00:15:12.000 The reason why I support the Jewish state is, again, for Christian beliefs.

00:15:16.000 That's a foundation point right there.

00:15:18.000 And that's the bottom line.

00:15:20.000 Now, here's the other thing I would add I agree with you. 0.59

00:15:23.000 We shouldn't be giving billions of dollars to Israel, we shouldn't be giving foreign aid to any.

00:15:27.000 Country.

00:15:29.000 That money should be in the United States.

00:15:31.000 I agree with that, actually.

00:15:33.000 Rand Paul made that comment.

00:15:33.000 I do.

00:15:35.000 Ron Paul made that comment, too.

00:15:36.000 I agree with him in those regards.

00:15:38.000 Well, okay.

00:15:38.000 Excellent.

00:15:39.000 Well, there's some common ground.

00:15:41.000 I just think the problem with the argument that it's in our interest to have a strong and stable Israel is that nine times out of ten, the arguments for a strong and stable Israel can be reduced to a tautology.

00:15:54.000 Do you know what a tautology is?

00:15:57.000 It means we need a strong and stable Israel to.

00:16:01.000 I want you to notice how he goes right to condescending and trying to define terms to me.

00:16:06.000 I want you to just explain your point.

00:16:07.000 How are they destabilizing the region?

00:16:10.000 How are they doing it, Nick?

00:16:12.000 Hi, Nick.

00:16:13.000 Oh, let me continue.

00:16:15.000 And I only ask because, you know, it's, I don't know if you know.

00:16:15.000 Yeah.

00:16:18.000 I don't know if you know.

00:16:19.000 I don't care if you ask or not.

00:16:20.000 Why?

00:16:21.000 It seems like you got upset by it. 0.93

00:16:23.000 But, point being, I ask why you believe in a strong and stable Israel to keep Hezbollah in check.

00:16:28.000 Well, why does Hezbollah exist?

00:16:30.000 Do you know the genesis of the Shiite organization Hezbollah in Lebanon?

00:16:33.000 Do you know where it comes from?

00:16:36.000 Fire away.

00:16:37.000 Okay. 0.80

00:16:38.000 Well, when the Jews established the state of Israel in 1948, I think it's worth mentioning that before, you know, People like to make it out, Zionists like to make it out like Israel was the lone country and they tried to drive them into the sea on four wars of aggression by an Arab coalition.

00:16:55.000 When in fact, the Zionists committed 11 separate massacres against the Palestinian people before a single Arab country declared war on them in 1948. 0.99

00:17:06.000 So I think that's a worthwhile statistic. 0.99

00:17:08.000 But regardless of that fact, in 1948, when the Jews established the state of Israel, they drove a quarter of a million Palestinians out of the land and into. 0.97

00:17:19.000 Lebanon. 0.85

00:17:20.000 Now, Lebanon was never a stable country.

00:17:23.000 You had in the 1960s an organization called the Palestinian Liberation Organization rise up in Jordan.

00:17:29.000 They were later driven out by the Hashemite Kingdom.

00:17:32.000 They were driven to Lebanon.

00:17:33.000 And then what ensued in Lebanon was a brutal, brutal war. 0.71

00:17:38.000 A civil war first that was encouraged by Israel. 0.76

00:17:41.000 They funded all the different factions. 0.68

00:17:43.000 And then Israel just went in in the 1980s. 0.56

00:17:45.000 And in fact, Osama bin Laden, when he saw the brutal Israeli attacks on the high rise buildings in Beirut, That's where he said he got his inspiration for 9 11. 0.57

00:17:55.000 But out of that sectarian conflict in Lebanon, which was nurtured by Israel, that's where you got the group Hezbollah.

00:18:02.000 And so Hezbollah has conducted exactly zero terror attacks on the United States.

00:18:07.000 Hezbollah has nothing to do with the Persian Gulf, which is the strategically important region in the Middle East. 0.77

00:18:12.000 The reason that we need to keep Hezbollah in check is because they create a problem on Israel's northern border. 0.67

00:18:20.000 So you're saying, I want Israel to be strong so that Israel can repel the threats to Israel. 0.93

00:18:25.000 Well, that's a tautology.

00:18:27.000 And so.

00:18:28.000 You know, they're a worthy ally, and I want their culture to thrive and survive.

00:18:33.000 I care about the values that they represent.

00:18:36.000 I don't see that as a problem.

00:18:37.000 That's not a tautology, by the way.

00:18:39.000 That deals with logical discussion and rhetoric.

00:18:42.000 I have to push that aside.

00:18:44.000 Let's talk about it.

00:18:45.000 Let's talk about it.

00:18:46.000 Okay.

00:18:47.000 What did you want to talk about?

00:18:47.000 Okay.

00:18:50.000 Let's talk about it.

00:18:52.000 Here, let me help you out for a second here. 0.99

00:18:53.000 So, do you think it's okay for women to be treated as half of a man? 0.90

00:18:56.000 Yes or no? 0.88

00:18:57.000 Yes. 0.88

00:18:57.000 That's Sharia law. 0.88

00:18:59.000 You think that's acceptable? 1.00

00:19:01.000 I believe that.

00:19:02.000 Okay, so you do agree with that?

00:19:04.000 Or clarify?

00:19:05.000 I'm far more conservative than you are. 1.00

00:19:08.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:19:08.000 Well, I'm going to have to disagree with that. 1.00

00:19:10.000 So that's the first thing.

00:19:12.000 And second of all, I see, you know, for me, I want to see a liberal in the truest sense culture where men and women are able to thrive, where people of different backgrounds are able to survive too.

00:19:25.000 But I will always come back to my basic biblical conviction I want the state of Israel to exist and I want them to thrive.

00:19:31.000 Because that's in line with God's will, and it's something that I believe in.

00:19:34.000 So, if you find that that's not in this country's best interest, I can't help you there because I believe that a strong Israel is a blessing to the world, and that includes to us.

00:19:42.000 I hate liberalism in all its forms, even classical.

00:19:45.000 But let's talk about it.

00:19:47.000 You don't like classical liberalism.

00:19:48.000 Explain that then.

00:19:51.000 That's really kind of a tertiary issue, don't you think?

00:19:54.000 You don't want to see a classically liberal society.

00:19:58.000 You would like to see what?

00:19:59.000 A fascist society then?

00:20:01.000 Is that the problem?

00:20:02.000 I think fascists would be an improvement over the society we have now.

00:20:06.000 I've got to be honest.

00:20:07.000 I'm going to emphatically disagree with you on that.

00:20:09.000 It's the same fascist impulses that we saw in Nazi Germany, not just pushing 6 million Jews into ovens, but 7 million other undesirable groups.

00:20:19.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:20:20.000 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:20:24.000 Don't forget the soap and the lampshades and then the roller coaster into the oven. 0.98

00:20:29.000 And the masturbation machines. 0.99

00:20:32.000 Right. 0.84

00:20:32.000 I haven't mentioned those. 0.84

00:20:33.000 You have. 0.83

00:20:34.000 I think it's worthy for the audience to see that you find the Holocaust trivial. 0.84

00:20:38.000 That's your choice, not mine. 0.90

00:20:39.000 Oh, boy.

00:20:40.000 Yeah.

00:20:40.000 There we go.

00:20:41.000 All right.

00:20:42.000 Turn it close back to another.

00:20:44.000 This actually brings up something else that your audience still needs to see, which is we don't have a moderator here.

00:20:50.000 Vincent, you're very much on his side.

00:20:52.000 Nixon, that's fine, but I think it's worthwhile for your audience to recognize that we don't have a moderator and two debaters.

00:20:59.000 We have a tag team, essentially.

00:21:02.000 That's fine, but you should be honest about it.

00:21:06.000 Well, Arthur, okay, I will admit openly.

00:21:08.000 Be honest about it, please.

00:21:10.000 Arthur, I'm trying to talk.

00:21:11.000 Can you hear me?

00:21:12.000 Arthur, I can hear you very well.

00:21:14.000 Okay.

00:21:15.000 Okay.

00:21:15.000 I will be honest that I agree with Nick on many issues, maybe all issues.

00:21:20.000 I haven't heard him on many issues.

00:21:23.000 Fascism would be better than a constitutional republic.

00:21:26.000 Really?

00:21:27.000 No, I didn't say that.

00:21:30.000 I didn't say that.

00:21:32.000 You just said you would prefer fascism to the current government we have now.

00:21:38.000 Well, the current government.

00:21:38.000 I guess we're not going to agree on a lot.

00:21:40.000 It's okay, Nick.

00:21:41.000 It's okay.

00:21:41.000 The current government we have, a constitutional republic?

00:21:45.000 We got our knife here.

00:21:46.000 We got our knife.

00:21:47.000 I honestly have a plastic fork if that scares you a little bit.

00:21:50.000 In the UK, you'd be in jail.

00:21:50.000 Here you go.

00:21:53.000 I'm laughing too.

00:21:55.000 Let's reel this in here, guys.

00:21:57.000 All right, I'm going to put the camera on me.

00:21:59.000 I'm sorry.

00:22:00.000 All right, let's reel this in and then I'm going to go on to another topic here.

00:22:03.000 Nick, I know you were trying to respond to something.

00:22:06.000 Did you have a response?

00:22:08.000 Okay, go ahead, Nick.

00:22:10.000 Before we got into, I guess, the ideological debate, which is kind of a whole other animal in itself. 0.96

00:22:20.000 I wanted to talk about the morality of Israel because this is something we hear a lot from the Zionists. 0.95

00:22:27.000 Israel is the only democratic country, they're the best country, you know, and they're a shining light. 0.81

00:22:33.000 I want to read to you some quotes by the founders of Israel.

00:22:38.000 So here's a quote: Here's a quote by David Ben Gurion, who is the first prime minister of Israel.

00:22:46.000 He said in June of 1937: Were I an Arab, I would rebel even more vigorously.

00:22:52.000 Bitterly and desperately against the immigration, the Jewish immigration, that will one day turn Palestine and all its Arab residents over to Jewish rule.

00:23:01.000 He wrote in his diary on January 1st, 1948 There is a need now for strong and brutal action. 0.94

00:23:10.000 We need to be accurate about timing, place, and those we hit.

00:23:13.000 If we accuse a family, we need to harm them without mercy, women and children included.

00:23:19.000 There is no need to distinguish between guilty and non guilty.

00:23:23.000 Let's look at the NGO Save the Children.

00:23:26.000 Which estimated that during the first intifada, between 6,500 and 8,500 Palestinian children were wounded by gunfire during the first two years.

00:23:37.000 Regarding the 106 recorded cases of child gunshot deaths, almost all of them were hit by directed, not random or ricochet fire.

00:23:45.000 Most were not participating in demonstrations when shot.

00:23:48.000 So they were basically just gunned down.

00:23:50.000 Here's one by Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir, who said, quote, neither Jewish ethics, Nor Jewish traditions can disqualify terrorism as a means of combat.

00:24:02.000 Rather, terrorism has a great part to play in our war against the occupier.

00:24:06.000 And interestingly enough, he was referring to the occupier as Great Britain, as Great Britain controlled the mandate of.

00:24:13.000 Well, I mean, I think you're laughing at terrorism and you're laughing at people being killed.

00:24:19.000 Here's another one.

00:24:20.000 Here's another one.

00:24:20.000 This is Benny Moore.

00:24:23.000 He's trying to cover up for saying fascism is wonderful.

00:24:26.000 Go ahead.

00:24:27.000 No, I didn't say fascism was wonderful.

00:24:29.000 I said fascism.

00:24:30.000 Better than our current government.

00:24:31.000 Those were your words.

00:24:32.000 Preferable to our current system.

00:24:33.000 And I'm the boomer, everybody.

00:24:35.000 I'm the boomer technocracy.

00:24:37.000 You are.

00:24:38.000 And we could talk about that in another debate. 0.80

00:24:43.000 We could talk about that in another debate, but I don't understand how you can call a country like Israel moral when. 0.89

00:24:50.000 You've told me not to interrupt, but it's like, at what point does it go from dialogue to diatribe? 0.90

00:24:55.000 I'm sorry, I'm using James Alsop's words.

00:24:57.000 So, I mean, are we going to wrap it up there, Nick, or what?

00:24:59.000 Okay, you can refute.

00:25:01.000 Tell me why I'm wrong to think those are immoral statements and actions.

00:25:05.000 Okay, so first of all, when you've got the Jewish people having to move into another country and their lives are routinely threatened, persecuted, and they're killed in massive numbers, how do you think they're going to respond?

00:25:16.000 Oh, we're going to be nice and we're not going to be as rough around the edges.

00:25:19.000 Second of all, David Ben Gurion does not speak for every Israeli.

00:25:22.000 And that to me is another part of this problem when it comes to this critique of Israel.

00:25:27.000 Nobody has mentioned the USS Liberty yet, so I guess I will have to because I know it's in the back of your minds.

00:25:34.000 So, USS Liberty, I'm going to concede, just for the sake of argument for now, that if you had the Israeli government, which had specifically and viciously targeted an American ship, okay, conceding that this was a cruel, evil tactic to try to bring the United States into the Six Day War, it does not justify smearing every single Israeli citizen in the country.

00:25:57.000 It does not justify smearing the successive governments. 0.73

00:26:01.000 You think it does.

00:26:02.000 Incredible.

00:26:03.000 Absolutely.

00:26:04.000 Are you not used to someone having a different point of view?

00:26:07.000 Well, you're hearing it now.

00:26:08.000 And I was not afraid to have this discussion.

00:26:11.000 I disagree with that take on it.

00:26:13.000 I've debated many things.

00:26:14.000 I'm not afraid of a different point of view.

00:26:16.000 I just think it's a different point of view.

00:26:17.000 I didn't ask you if you were afraid or not.

00:26:18.000 But if you're okay, then tell me then.

00:26:20.000 I just explained to you how you can't see your entire country because of that one incident.

00:26:24.000 And by the way, I don't agree with you that it was a planned attack.

00:26:27.000 There were six different investigations into it, including in 1979.

00:26:30.000 Arthur, I think.

00:26:31.000 We're on a diatribe now.

00:26:33.000 Arthur, you've gone from discussion.

00:26:35.000 You're using my word.

00:26:35.000 I appreciate it.

00:26:37.000 I am backing on my point of view on this.

00:26:39.000 Go ahead.

00:26:40.000 All right, go ahead, Nick. 0.88

00:26:41.000 Yeah, so look, the point being is this there's a consistent pattern of Zionist behavior. 0.93

00:26:48.000 Oh, I see. 0.87

00:26:48.000 Okay. 0.87

00:26:49.000 There is no regard for human life, there's no regard for Arab life, and there's no regard for America's interest. 0.98

00:26:55.000 And, you know, look, you can say the USS Liberty, and I can point to you 100 quotes, 100 examples where this has happened from. 0.89

00:27:03.000 From Theodore Herzl all the way up through to Bibi Netanyahu.

00:27:06.000 I mean, this is a pattern of behavior.

00:27:08.000 You had Ben Gurion, who founded the country, who was the first prime minister.

00:27:12.000 You had the USS Liberty in 67, all the way up through the two intifadas to Bibi Netanyahu, warmongering now.

00:27:18.000 It's a consistent pattern of behavior. 0.78

00:27:21.000 I'm not saying one action has determined that the Zionist state is a pariah state. 0.72

00:27:26.000 It is this consistent pattern that we've seen perpetually by just about every regime without fail.

00:27:33.000 And you have yet, I mean, you start out with your argument, which is it's important because Israel is a moral country.

00:27:40.000 And I tell you that the founding head of state of the country said that they would kill women and children, they wouldn't discriminate between guilty and non guilty.

00:27:50.000 I give you the statistics where.

00:27:51.000 Where out of the 106 cases of children being shot, it was directed, meaning it wasn't an accidental.

00:27:57.000 And you say, well, they just have to play rough. 0.99

00:28:03.000 I mean, that's just sick and hypocritical. 0.95

00:28:05.000 And then you try and brush it aside by saying, you pivot to the USS Liberty, which is fascinating because the USS Liberty is a case where they deliberately killed Americans. 0.97

00:28:15.000 And you can say you disagree with that, but Robert McNamara, a number of people, I'm sorry, every veteran who is on that ship has said, That it was a deliberate attack.

00:28:25.000 It was impossible for it not to be a deliberate attack.

00:28:27.000 It's funny that the only place you can pivot is a disputed case where Israel directly killed American sailors.

00:28:35.000 It's just outrageous. 0.63

00:28:36.000 And this is the case.

00:28:37.000 Well, calling something outrageous, calling it not outrageous doesn't matter.

00:28:41.000 You could look at the American Civil War and the quote unquote atrocities.

00:28:45.000 You could look at what William Tecumseh Sherman did in the March to the Sea, for example.

00:28:48.000 It was total war.

00:28:50.000 It was brutal.

00:28:50.000 I'm talking about William Tecumseh Sherman.

00:28:52.000 I don't care.

00:28:53.000 You're drawing from that moral.

00:28:55.000 You're trying to draw from that analogy.

00:28:56.000 I'm giving you his answer war is hell.

00:28:59.000 You want to talk about being fascinated and finding it astounding? 0.96

00:29:02.000 Let's talk about the fact that you continue to ignore the terrorist attacks that are committed by the quote unquote Palestinians who really didn't even exist. 0.92

00:29:09.000 They were created as another proxy state, essentially, to hassle and harass and just go after Israel. 0.99

00:29:15.000 They have a right to be there. 0.80

00:29:17.000 They have a right to live there.

00:29:17.000 That's wrong.

00:29:19.000 I don't care if you agree with it or not.

00:29:20.000 And this is now the fundamental issue. 0.86

00:29:22.000 You guys argue, and I heard one of those quote unquote victims on the USS Liberty, he right away goes, Israel is an illegitimate state.

00:29:29.000 They're occupiers.

00:29:31.000 No, they're not.

00:29:32.000 They have a right to be there.

00:29:33.000 They have had that right to be there for 3,000 years.

00:29:36.000 No, they have.

00:29:37.000 Every country deserves to have their ethnicity.

00:29:39.000 Why do they not deserve it?

00:29:40.000 Why?

00:29:40.000 Go ahead.

00:29:41.000 You said you don't care about Zionism, and now you are disputing it.

00:29:45.000 So why do they not have a right to be there?

00:29:47.000 Well, I think to say that they have a 3,000 year claim to that land, I think it's spurious at best.

00:29:47.000 Go.

00:29:53.000 I don't think, you know, for all the Zionists that will give us this, Palestine isn't real. 0.97

00:29:58.000 Palestine is a fiction. 0.97

00:30:00.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:30:00.000 You just said Palestine. 0.99

00:30:01.000 Find as a fiction created to interfere with the Jewish state.

00:30:04.000 I think that the Palestinians who have been there, why didn't the Palestinians accept the Palestinians?

00:30:10.000 That was part of the UN mandate. 0.60

00:30:11.000 You'd have the Arabs go one place and you'd have the Jews go to another, but the Jewish leaders there were willing to let the Arabs stay.

00:30:17.000 I had this discussion with. 0.98

00:30:19.000 They don't have a right to the land.

00:30:22.000 Go ahead.

00:30:24.000 Yeah, they do not have a right to the land.

00:30:24.000 Go ahead.

00:30:27.000 I don't know where you're deriving this from.

00:30:30.000 Maybe from the Bible, but again, even then.

00:30:32.000 Look, I'm a religious person. 0.98

00:30:33.000 But I don't think you can roll up on Palestinians who have been living there continuously for something like, what, 12, 1,100 years and say, well, the Bible says this is our land now, so we're now going to drive you out.

00:30:33.000 I'm Catholic.

00:30:47.000 So these farms.

00:30:48.000 That's not what happened.

00:30:53.000 They were not driven out.

00:30:54.000 They were offered to be able to stay.

00:30:56.000 And this is becoming a problem.

00:30:58.000 One of the reasons why.

00:30:59.000 You keep interrupting me.

00:31:00.000 We can't have a debate.

00:31:02.000 Well, you know what?

00:31:03.000 That's your problem, not mine, because if you're going to say something that fraudulent, I'm going to challenge you.

00:31:08.000 Well, I mean, anyone's, I want to be able to allow this.

00:31:11.000 This is a.

00:31:12.000 He's played this game before.

00:31:14.000 I've seen it in other debates.

00:31:15.000 He has routinely interrupted others.

00:31:17.000 So, Nick, don't cry.

00:31:18.000 You don't like it when someone has a vehement response.

00:31:22.000 This is a free speech zone, and I want everyone to be able to finish their paragraphs.

00:31:31.000 Whether anyone believes it's fraudulent or not, Nick, finish your response.

00:31:37.000 Very briefly, I will just say that at the turn of the 20th century, Palestine was comprised of 95% Muslims and 5% Christians. 0.69

00:31:47.000 The land was controlled.

00:31:51.000 Excuse me, I've got it mixed up.

00:31:53.000 99% of the people were Muslim, 1% were Christian.

00:31:58.000 95% of the land was controlled by Muslims, 5% of the land was controlled by Christians.

00:32:03.000 So you may have your UN mandate, and we could get into how that UN mandate even came about.

00:32:08.000 But the fact of the matter is, the Jewish people can't emigrate to this country.

00:32:13.000 They can't come to this country and then simply demand, by virtue of them being here, and oh, well, the United Nations says so, that suddenly we've now invented a right to this territory.

00:32:22.000 I don't think it works that way.

00:32:24.000 And you can have a biblical conviction.

00:32:27.000 That's the case, but that will not hold up in international law.

00:32:31.000 That will not hold up in any conception of Westphalian sovereignty. 0.85

00:32:34.000 You know, imagine if the Muslims showed up to the eastern seaboard of the United States or, like they're doing in Europe, they showed up in Spain or in Italy and they said, the Quran says that we can dominate this land. 1.00

00:32:46.000 All the world must fall to Islam. 1.00

00:32:48.000 Do we recognize their religious claim on the entire world? 1.00

00:32:52.000 Of course not. 0.98

00:32:53.000 So I think it's just a ridiculous assumption.

00:32:56.000 And you're right, I am entirely ambivalent about it, but if you're going to make this ridiculous claim, I would contest it, but I think it's fundamentally irrelevant to the question of whether or not Israel should receive our support and is a moral country.

00:33:10.000 Now, my response to that is actually, you had a number of settlers, Jews, who came into the region, which was for the greater part, it was not developed.

00:33:19.000 A lot of it was laid foul and nothing was happening.

00:33:21.000 So, this argument that you had mass immigration to Israel that was displacing Muslims or Arabs in the area in the late 1800s, early 1900s is just not true.

00:33:32.000 So that's my response to that.

00:33:34.000 This idea that they had been displacing or pushing them out before is not true. 0.95

00:33:39.000 The religious element does come into this, however, because you have Muslims who are taught to hate Jews and to hate the Jewish state.

00:33:46.000 And this is even before focusing on Jews specifically, this hatred of Jews was taking place even before there was a Jewish state that was there.

00:33:54.000 This is a common argument that is pro Palestinian, which is that Arabs didn't start hating Jews and start committing terrorist acts against them until they moved into the territory and took up space.

00:34:04.000 The fact is that hatred of Jews has been going on for thousands of years. 0.63

00:34:08.000 It's been going on even recently.

00:34:09.000 I'd mention examples in Libya and in Iraq, even as recently as 1942.

00:34:13.000 All right, let me go ahead and share my screen here, real quick.

00:34:17.000 I just want to share my screen.

00:34:19.000 Let me see here.

00:34:20.000 Where are we?

00:34:22.000 I just want to show you guys both something.

00:34:28.000 Oops.

00:34:30.000 Hold on.

00:34:30.000 Stop.

00:34:34.000 Here it is.

00:34:35.000 All right.

00:34:37.000 Okay, so currently, right now, let me put my screen on if I can do this right.

00:34:43.000 All right, so currently, right now, we're looking at the Palestinian loss of land map.

00:34:48.000 Okay, so this is by MSNBC, and this is also reiterated on Fox News, this is also reiterated on many other platforms.

00:35:00.000 You can look it up.

00:35:01.000 Now, this is the Palestinian loss of land map, and in the green, you can see the Palestinian land back in 1946, and in the yellow, it was the land of Israel.

00:35:09.000 I mean, this is well documented.

00:35:11.000 You can find this anywhere.

00:35:12.000 Sure.

00:35:13.000 In the present day today, we are looking at the green being Palestinian land. 0.76

00:35:19.000 Now, currently, I was just watching a documentary yesterday on Al Jazeera or one of these other, I can't remember which one it was, but they were showing actual full on like annexations of people being pushed out of their home. 0.81

00:35:37.000 We have Israel illegally occupying the West Bank, illegally occupying in Golan Heights.

00:35:45.000 And when I say illegal, I mean not just the military occupying it, but actual citizens occupying it. 0.94

00:35:51.000 And so I just want to say this yes, I do hold the views here.

00:35:58.000 And I just want to talk on this point here. 0.57

00:36:00.000 How can we say that that loss of land, no matter if they're crazy Muslim terrorists or whatever the case may be, how can we say that that imperialism in modern day, we all have imperialism past, in modern day is actually moral? 0.66

00:36:16.000 Go ahead, Arthur, go. 0.80

00:36:18.000 No, do you think that that's moral?

00:36:20.000 I want to take a bit of a lesson.

00:36:22.000 Fire away.

00:36:22.000 Go ahead.

00:36:23.000 Go ahead.

00:36:25.000 Well, you know, I think Arthur's deflecting because, I mean, it's simply the facts are simply against him.

00:36:31.000 And look, you could argue on a pragmatic basis that the U.S. should support Israel because they're a good ally or whatever, but he chose to stake out a claim that they were a moral country, and that's problematic for him.

00:36:43.000 If he were to say that Israel is a useful ally like Saudi Arabia, which by no stretch is a moral nation, then he'd have an argument.

00:36:50.000 But the fact of the matter is, whether you look at the 1948 war, whether you look at the 1967 war, the response to the Intifadas, you look at the grand designs they have for the region, their moral is probably the last word you could use to describe this regime. 0.80

00:37:06.000 And look, that's not even my contention with them.

00:37:09.000 Frankly, I don't really care about that, really, at the end of the day.

00:37:13.000 Countries are immoral all the time. 1.00

00:37:15.000 Countries are immoral in Africa. 1.00

00:37:16.000 Countries are immoral in Iran. 1.00

00:37:18.000 I think Iran is an immoral regime. 0.74

00:37:21.000 I don't think that's something exceptional.

00:37:23.000 But he is going to stake out the claim that. 0.73

00:37:26.000 Israel is exceptional, and he can't justify it seemingly on pragmatic grounds, so he resorts to this moral.

00:37:32.000 And I think it just simply doesn't exist.

00:37:35.000 Unless you're using this almost willingly blind, willingly naive vision of history, just about any document, any quote, you can ask the Zionists themselves, the Zionist terrorist organizations such as the Ergun, among others, they are recognized by both the Zionists and the Arabs as having invented modern day terrorism, they invented the bus bombing.

00:37:57.000 They don't even deny it. 0.85

00:37:58.000 They brag about it.

00:37:58.000 They came on American television in the 1940s.

00:38:01.000 I think it was Ben Gurion.

00:38:03.000 It was either Ben Gurion or it was another.

00:38:05.000 But they were asked by the television host, they said, How do you feel that you're described as the father of terrorism in the Middle East?

00:38:12.000 And they responded, The father of terrorism in the Middle East?

00:38:15.000 We're the father of terrorism in all the world. 0.87

00:38:17.000 I mean, this is from the Zionists themselves. 0.99

00:38:21.000 And Arthur can roll his eyes and say, Oh, boy, but those are simply the Zionists. 0.67

00:38:27.000 No, that isn't the case. 0.93

00:38:28.000 Here we go.

00:38:28.000 Go ahead with your response.

00:38:30.000 I mean, he's attacking me for the moral argument, but really you're seeing the absolute moral equivalency that has dominated this discussion in the world at large and why we see a problem here.

00:38:40.000 I don't recall Jews strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up pizzerias.

00:38:44.000 I don't recall Jews shooting up public spaces.

00:38:48.000 I do. 0.99

00:38:48.000 Okay, no. 0.99

00:38:49.000 Where?

00:38:50.000 The Levon Affair.

00:38:51.000 Have you ever heard of the Levon Affair?

00:38:53.000 I'm going to look that up right now.

00:38:54.000 Go ahead.

00:38:56.000 Talk about laughing.

00:38:57.000 Good God, man.

00:38:58.000 All right, now that we are, while he looks that up, I'm going to give him time to look that up.

00:39:02.000 And I'm actually getting yelled at here.

00:39:04.000 You're going to need to go ahead and tell me.

00:39:06.000 I'm willing, you know, you're willing to share that with me.

00:39:09.000 I want to be able to look it up.

00:39:10.000 How do you spell Levana? 0.66

00:39:12.000 L E V O N. 1.00

00:39:12.000 Levant. 1.00

00:39:13.000 No, L A V O N. Got it. 1.00

00:39:19.000 Levant. 1.00

00:39:19.000 Say it again. 1.00

00:39:20.000 Yes. 1.00

00:39:21.000 L A V O N. 0.84

00:39:23.000 This was a plot by Israeli Defense Minister Levant. 0.89

00:39:29.000 Okay, you just said it right there. 0.58

00:39:29.000 He ordered. 0.58

00:39:31.000 It was a military operation against Egypt. 0.85

00:39:34.000 I can't believe you're ignoring this. 1.00

00:39:36.000 You had a country that was attacked by all these Arab states ready to push them into the sea, and they wanted to defend themselves. 0.99

00:39:43.000 They have a right to do that. 1.00

00:39:45.000 I fundamentally disagree with that.

00:39:46.000 That's your choice.

00:39:48.000 What you're laying bare here is confirmation bias.

00:39:50.000 Would you like me to explain the Levant affair to you in great detail?

00:39:54.000 I would like, that's what I see you doing right now.

00:39:56.000 There is a confirmation bias. 0.99

00:39:57.000 Israel doesn't have a right to exist. 1.00

00:39:59.000 Therefore, they should be there. 1.00

00:40:01.000 Maybe that's part of why this debate tends to fall apart.

00:40:04.000 I don't think it's falling apart.

00:40:05.000 I think you're falling apart.

00:40:07.000 You said a moment ago that you didn't know what the Levant affair is.

00:40:10.000 You look it up and you see it's a military operation in Egypt.

00:40:14.000 That's incorrect.

00:40:15.000 It was a sleeper cell operation.

00:40:17.000 There's a sleeper cell of Zionist terrorists.

00:40:20.000 They were targeting Egyptian, British, and American civilian targets in Egypt.

00:40:26.000 Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence to plant bombs inside of Egypt, American, and British owned civilian targets. 0.76

00:40:35.000 That's exactly, yes. 0.95

00:40:35.000 Got it. 0.95

00:40:37.000 Got it. 0.65

00:40:38.000 And the point of which was they were going to attack American and British targets and blame it on the Egyptians to drag America, well, actually, to get America to not be in an alliance with Egypt because America and Egypt were coming together. 0.61

00:40:52.000 And so that was the point of that was to sabotage US diplomacy with an ally during the Cold War. 0.52

00:40:58.000 I don't understand how any American could justify this. 0.98

00:41:01.000 This is why we call you Israel first.

00:41:03.000 And you say, oh, I don't see Israel strapping bombs. 0.64

00:41:06.000 They did this throughout the early decades of the 20th century. 0.94

00:41:11.000 Look up a terrorist organization called the IRGUN, I R G U N. 1.00

00:41:16.000 They quite literally invented the bus bombing. 1.00

00:41:19.000 You have the Levant affair, you have the USS Liberty. 1.00

00:41:23.000 Let me tell you something. 0.73

00:41:24.000 The USS Liberty, Israel killed more Americans in one attack than Hezbollah has ever killed, than Palestinian Islamic Jihad has ever killed Americans, than the Palestinian Authority, than the Palestinian Liberation Organization.

00:41:40.000 All of them put together have killed less Americans than Israel on that one day with the USS Liberty. 0.81

00:41:46.000 And that was a deliberate attack. 0.93

00:41:49.000 I disagree with you.

00:41:50.000 There were six investigations into it, including after the event in 1979 and 1990.

00:41:55.000 Yes, they did.

00:41:55.000 That occurred.

00:41:57.000 If you wait, if you have evidence, I want to inform you about something that might be really helpful for you.

00:42:01.000 We had a guy on here.

00:42:03.000 Well, wait, wait, but if you have evidence that those investigations occurred, sure, a ten thousand dollar prize by the USS Liberty Veterans Association.

00:42:16.000 They're giving out right now, and they have run this contest for years now.

00:42:20.000 They said they were offering up ten thousand dollars for anybody that can prove that those investigations were official and actually occurred and completely investigated the USS Liberty.

00:42:30.000 Nobody's taken them up on it because it didn't happen.

00:42:33.000 And of course, you can look at the American Legion, the VFW, the USS Liberty.

00:42:37.000 I'll send it to you right now.

00:42:39.000 They all agree that the USS Liberty was a deliberate attack by the Israeli government.

00:42:45.000 But you know about it, Chad.

00:42:46.000 I have to read a couple super chats here.

00:42:48.000 David, do you want to start?

00:42:50.000 I'm going to tweet the link that I found that speaks to how different investigations are happening.

00:42:54.000 I just put it in the personal chat.

00:42:57.000 That's fine.

00:42:58.000 Go ahead, David.

00:43:00.000 I actually.

00:43:02.000 I can't see him because I'm not logged in.

00:43:04.000 Okay, I got it here.

00:43:06.000 We got Ryan.

00:43:06.000 He says, read some Talmud quotes for $5.

00:43:10.000 We got Duncan Brown, who says Matthew 27, 25.

00:43:16.000 Sam, Sam, who says Judeo Christian values, absolute oxymoron.

00:43:24.000 Ryan, who says hit that like button, never forget the 6 million.

00:43:29.000 It was real in my mind, lol.

00:43:32.000 Gordzilla37 says, Nick, give it up. 0.92

00:43:34.000 You can't win arguments against habitual liars.

00:43:38.000 LM says, Shopper the snowflake sounds like a millennial.

00:43:43.000 Riley Wolf says, Thanks, Vince.

00:43:45.000 Great content.

00:43:46.000 Sam Sam again.

00:43:48.000 And then we had Cynthia say, Good job, Israel.

00:43:52.000 Your support among American whites is reduced to a few Christian extremists who don't even believe in evolution.

00:44:00.000 And then there's a few more that we'll read later on.

00:44:02.000 I want to go on to something different, though, here, Arthur.

00:44:05.000 You once said that you support.

00:44:08.000 Now, notice how you.

00:44:09.000 Okay, so this is a chat room that's dominated by anti Israeli, anti Jewish sentiment.

00:44:14.000 That's fine. 0.99

00:44:16.000 Well, you're on a credible basis.

00:44:16.000 Okay.

00:44:19.000 Hold on.

00:44:20.000 I don't find it credible that you have these military operations and therefore it delegitimizes the entire Jewish state.

00:44:27.000 It just doesn't.

00:44:28.000 And if you call that Israel first, that's wrong because it sounds to me that you got a guy here who is Iran first, who is big statism first. 0.59

00:44:36.000 And I don't know how you reconcile that. 0.86

00:44:38.000 Well, I'll tell you how I reconcile that. 0.99

00:44:41.000 I do not support Iran, I don't defend Iran, I don't say a strong and stable Iran. 0.77

00:44:48.000 Why denuclearize Israel, though? 0.94

00:44:48.000 It is important. 0.94

00:44:51.000 What?

00:44:52.000 Why denuclearize Israel?

00:44:54.000 That's what you tweeted. 0.92

00:44:56.000 Yes, because unlike Iran, are you following this? 0.63

00:45:00.000 Israel actually has an illegal nuclear arsenal.

00:45:05.000 Why isn't it illegal?

00:45:07.000 Why is it illegal for a country to have nuclear weapons?

00:45:10.000 We have nuclear weapons.

00:45:11.000 The non proliferation treaty, which every country is expected to sign, is illegal to proliferate weapons of mass destruction. 0.73

00:45:19.000 Israel to be open and candid with all their mortal enemies around them and say, We don't have any nuclear weapons, and therefore they set themselves up. 0.71

00:45:26.000 Okay.

00:45:27.000 This is a real problem in this debate again.

00:45:29.000 It goes right back to Israel is a pariah state because you say so.

00:45:34.000 You're making arguments that the Jews displace the Arabs.

00:45:36.000 It's just not true.

00:45:38.000 You do mention these military operations.

00:45:40.000 Keep in mind that the United States government shut down Ashende in Chile.

00:45:44.000 You know what?

00:45:45.000 I would call that a legitimate effort because Pinochet would have been, was not as, I mean, his governance.

00:45:51.000 Was not nearly as bad as what a communist government would have been.

00:45:54.000 The United States has done this in other countries as well.

00:45:57.000 The United States is allowed to do it.

00:45:59.000 It has a long term effect.

00:46:00.000 I've talked to Chileans.

00:46:01.000 Their parents lived under Pinochet.

00:46:03.000 I know that Mr. Fox is a fan of Pinochet too.

00:46:06.000 I love the economic reform.

00:46:07.000 So did Milton Friedman. 0.90

00:46:09.000 So you're going to delegitimize the entire Jewish state because of these military operations.

00:46:13.000 I'm not delegitimizing the Jewish state.

00:46:15.000 I simply don't. 1.00

00:46:16.000 But they don't have a right to exist or what?

00:46:18.000 No, Arthur.

00:46:20.000 No, no.

00:46:21.000 See, this is your problem.

00:46:22.000 This is your problem.

00:46:23.000 You.

00:46:24.000 I think you want to project onto me, well, because you're losing the argument, you have to project onto me inconsistent positions. 0.60

00:46:31.000 I've never said that because Israel kills our people, because Israel steals our uranium, they have an illegal nuclear arsenal.

00:46:39.000 It isn't illegal.

00:46:39.000 I never said that.

00:46:41.000 You're claiming an assumption right there.

00:46:43.000 Nation states have a right to protect themselves.

00:46:46.000 I never said that he legitimizes the right to it.

00:46:48.000 That leads to making them illegitimate.

00:46:50.000 Sorry, wrong.

00:46:51.000 I never said that. 0.55

00:46:54.000 That's when you're creating an illegal nuclear arsenal. 0.99

00:46:56.000 You're forcing the Zionism. 0.99

00:46:57.000 The whole experiment, right there, too. 0.99

00:46:59.000 Yeah.

00:46:59.000 Sorry.

00:47:00.000 Arthur, you are saying he talks about confirmation bias.

00:47:04.000 You're now seeing him doing that.

00:47:06.000 Oh, Arthur, you're so.

00:47:07.000 People see right through you, my friend.

00:47:09.000 They can see right through me.

00:47:11.000 I have no problem with them seeing through me.

00:47:13.000 Now you see with the personal attacks, it's the same thing that James Alsup did.

00:47:17.000 You're not willing to talk about that.

00:47:19.000 You haven't seen personal attacks yet, my friend.

00:47:22.000 We can get to personal attacks.

00:47:23.000 I don't want to go there.

00:47:24.000 You're the one at a time, Arthur.

00:47:26.000 All right, guys.

00:47:27.000 We want to go one at a time.

00:47:27.000 One at a time.

00:47:29.000 All right, I'm going to.

00:47:29.000 One at a time.

00:47:31.000 I will mute the entire screen, you guys.

00:47:33.000 Now, Nick was trying to finish a point.

00:47:33.000 All right.

00:47:35.000 Nick.

00:47:36.000 Go ahead.

00:47:36.000 Finish your point.

00:47:37.000 Yeah.

00:47:37.000 Well, look, the question was asked, and Arthur thinks this is a gotcha.

00:47:41.000 He says, Why do you say denuclearize Israel?

00:47:44.000 And I responded very simply because Israel has a nuclear arsenal and Iran does not.

00:47:49.000 And he said, Well, how does that delegitimize?

00:47:52.000 Are you kidding me?

00:47:53.000 Okay.

00:47:54.000 Are we.

00:47:55.000 That's not an answer.

00:47:57.000 We need Nick.

00:47:58.000 I'm allowed to challenge that.

00:48:00.000 You've got to be kidding me, Nick.

00:48:02.000 Okay.

00:48:02.000 Israel, no, you're not allowed to have a nuclear arsenal.

00:48:04.000 No, no, you're wrong.

00:48:05.000 Yeah, everyone's allowed to challenge.

00:48:07.000 I'm not there.

00:48:08.000 Just write down when he said it.

00:48:11.000 Challenge it after.

00:48:13.000 I want people to challenge it, but he was in the middle of the conversation.

00:48:15.000 I want you to see this, ladies and gentlemen.

00:48:17.000 You have a guy who wants a denuclearized Israel, but is okay with Iran and their leader saying we should blow Israel off the face of the earth.

00:48:25.000 I can tell you, if Ahmed Nutjob had said, let's blow America off the face of the earth, the first thing I would not be saying is, I don't think we should have nuclear weapons.

00:48:34.000 This is naive.

00:48:36.000 So I established that.

00:48:36.000 That's great.

00:48:38.000 There you go.

00:48:38.000 Go ahead, Nick.

00:48:39.000 Nick, finish.

00:48:40.000 Go ahead.

00:48:40.000 Yeah, I understand.

00:48:42.000 Again, here's the problem.

00:48:44.000 Or am I smoking again?

00:48:45.000 I'm sorry.

00:48:46.000 Yes.

00:48:46.000 I'm sorry.

00:48:48.000 Yes, you are.

00:48:51.000 The trick is this the introduction of nuclear weapons to the Middle East causes a little problem called nuclear proliferation.

00:49:00.000 When you have one country that has a nuclear arsenal and they have a rival that can only respond with conventional weapons, you have what's called a security dilemma, which means that, of course, Iran or other countries cannot compete with Israel with simply conventional weapons. 0.72

00:49:17.000 So, the very presence of nuclear weapons in the Middle East creates an incentive for Iran to develop an arsenal. 0.86

00:49:24.000 Let's say Iran develops an arsenal. 0.61

00:49:26.000 I don't want that to happen.

00:49:28.000 The response by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, and Egypt quite possibly could be to develop a nuclear arsenal.

00:49:34.000 The more nuclear weapons there are in the Middle East, the. 0.61

00:49:40.000 Okay.

00:49:41.000 What happened?

00:49:42.000 He just got cut out.

00:49:43.000 It wasn't my fault.

00:49:45.000 I didn't interrupt.

00:49:47.000 Maybe his internet shut down or something.

00:49:50.000 Hold on.

00:49:50.000 While we finish this, while he gets in.

00:49:53.000 May I respond to what he had said?

00:49:54.000 No, not until he's back, obviously.

00:49:58.000 Okay.

00:49:59.000 Oh, there he is.

00:49:59.000 There he is.

00:50:01.000 I went off for a moment.

00:50:02.000 I thought your internet got shut down for a minute.

00:50:04.000 Okay, go ahead.

00:50:05.000 Please don't blame the Zionists for shutting off your internet. 1.00

00:50:09.000 It was the bad thing. 1.00

00:50:10.000 All right, go ahead.

00:50:12.000 Finish what you're saying.

00:50:14.000 I thought you saw it right.

00:50:16.000 Blame them.

00:50:16.000 It was the bad thing.

00:50:18.000 To conclude, the point is simply this.

00:50:23.000 I think if Israel wants to protect themselves, that's fair enough, but they have found a number of ways to do that. 0.63

00:50:29.000 The Camp David Accords with Egypt has been wildly successful.

00:50:33.000 They found peace with Saudi Arabia.

00:50:34.000 They found peace with Jordan.

00:50:36.000 And the rest of the countries, I think a simple security guarantee by the United States has been sufficient.

00:50:40.000 So I don't think they need nuclear weapons to deter Hezbollah or these small proto state actors in the region. 0.89

00:50:48.000 It just doesn't make any sense. 0.98

00:50:50.000 Go ahead, Arthur.

00:50:52.000 Okay, first of all, you're making an argument about a peaceful relationship with Jordan.

00:50:56.000 You know, that's covert at best.

00:50:58.000 I mean, there's open defiance with the Jewish state notwithstanding.

00:51:01.000 But when you have Iran, I go back again to Ahmadinejad saying we want to blow Israel off the face of the earth. 0.87

00:51:08.000 You have these radical Iranian mullahs at the top of the heap who have this religious vision of bringing in the Maghdi, and they have a very clear and pernicious reason to be developing nuclear weapons. 0.87

00:51:21.000 Again, we see a moral equivalency here. 0.99

00:51:23.000 Guess what?

00:51:23.000 The United Kingdom has nuclear weapons, and so does France.

00:51:26.000 I'm not worried about those countries having nuclear weapons because there is a fundamental pro Western culture. 0.99

00:51:32.000 Hopefully, it'll still last in Great Britain and France, in spite of the overwhelming Muslim mass migration, or that they'll be able to get past that. 0.95

00:51:40.000 So, just looking at countries having nuclear weapons is not the end of it. 1.00

00:51:45.000 Iran here has a pernicious hatred of Israel and a hatred of Jews. 0.71

00:51:48.000 They want to develop nuclear weapons and blow up Israel because it's part of their religious zealotry. 0.99

00:51:55.000 Jews don't do that.

00:51:57.000 And you've given me some of these military expeditions, and I understand that. 0.71

00:52:01.000 And my response to that is a country that's trying to form itself and protect itself is going to take these.

00:52:07.000 Is going to take those tactics.

00:52:08.000 Do I like them?

00:52:09.000 Did I like, I go back to Sherman.

00:52:09.000 No.

00:52:11.000 I know you didn't like me drawing that analogy, but it goes to show war is hell, and total war is sometimes what ends up happening.

00:52:17.000 It certainly happened during World War I.

00:52:20.000 And please don't blame the Jews for that.

00:52:22.000 Well, we could certainly talk about the Balfour Declaration and Louis Brandeis if you want to get into World War I.

00:52:29.000 However, on the subject of nuclear weapons, you know, again, you can point to France, you can point to the permanent five members of the Security Council who have nuclear weapons.

00:52:42.000 What is that controversial?

00:52:45.000 That they're the permanent.

00:52:46.000 It's unfortunate, but there's good news going on in China.

00:52:49.000 You're seeing quite a spiritual uprising in that country.

00:52:52.000 Russia is falling apart.

00:52:53.000 What are you going on about now?

00:52:56.000 That is nothing to do with anything.

00:52:57.000 Anyway, I interrupted my apologies.

00:53:01.000 You bring up France, the UK, you bring up established nuclear powers.

00:53:05.000 And you talk about a false equivalency.

00:53:07.000 Here's the difference. 0.71

00:53:09.000 In Western Europe, you already have, or rather, in Europe as a whole, You have the UK and France having nuclear weapons, they're already balanced by the Soviet Union.

00:53:19.000 The Soviet Union developed an atomic bomb in 1949 in response to the United States having a nuclear weapon.

00:53:26.000 France and the UK developed a nuclear weapon to balance against the Soviet Union.

00:53:30.000 China developed a nuclear weapon to balance against the Western powers and the Soviet Union.

00:53:34.000 What you have is that security dilemma, which creates an incentive for nuclear proliferation.

00:53:40.000 In the Middle East, the introduction of nuclear weapons to Israel.

00:53:45.000 Created where there was not an incentive, the incentive to develop a nuclear arsenal. 0.93

00:53:50.000 And so people like yourself will say that it's a good thing that we disarm Iran. 0.85

00:53:55.000 Well, the reason that Iran desires a nuclear arsenal is to deter not only against a strike from Israel or to achieve parity with Israel, but also to deter a strike from the United States. 0.87

00:54:07.000 Look at all the governments that we've gone around in the past 15 years simply toppling from Iraq to Libya to Somalia to Sudan. 0.73

00:54:16.000 You could go down the list.

00:54:18.000 And Iran. 0.99

00:54:19.000 Almost requires a nuclear arsenal as a deterrent. 0.99

00:54:21.000 Now, I don't think they should have it because I think it's not in our interest that they have it, but you can understand where it comes from.

00:54:26.000 It's not because of this fanatical rhetoric.

00:54:30.000 That's the rhetoric of the regime, but you have to distinguish between the rhetoric and the practice of the regime.

00:54:35.000 The Iranian regime, although they have apocalyptic, zealot rhetoric, they have not acted as though they are a suicidal regime.

00:54:43.000 It's simply not true.

00:54:44.000 In every case, you can see that they are rational actors, no different than any other in the region.

00:54:51.000 Well, I emphatically disagree with that, and I guess that's where it's going to have to stand.

00:54:54.000 That's a risk that I don't want to take. 0.73

00:54:56.000 But this argument you're making, Israel develops nuclear capabilities, and so these Arab states are fearful, and therefore they want to start developing nuclear capabilities. 0.53

00:55:05.000 The fact is, you've seen this relentless hatred of Israel, this relentless hatred of Jews for a long time, longer than before the establishment of the Jewish state. 0.66

00:55:13.000 There's been an interest in blowing them up, getting rid of them entirely. 0.51

00:55:16.000 Let's not forget the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, who worked with Hitler with the final solution.

00:55:22.000 So I'm emphatically disagreeing with that. 0.64

00:55:24.000 I'm not going to change you on that, but I share that with the rest of the other.

00:55:28.000 Now you're interrupting me.

00:55:29.000 I was trying not to interrupt, so please don't interrupt me.

00:55:32.000 This is for the rest of the audience to see.

00:55:34.000 This, to me, you want to talk about delusional because that's a comment he used on Twitter as well.

00:55:38.000 It is delusional to look at a regime like Iran, headed by radical religious zealots who are pushed by this eschatological vision to blow up Israel.

00:55:50.000 And of course, we're targeted too.

00:55:52.000 And by the way, that shows that there's a strategic interest in having Israel there to put pressure on these regimes so they don't attack us.

00:55:59.000 I provide that to you.

00:56:00.000 I'm not going to check.

00:56:01.000 United States.

00:56:02.000 I love it.

00:56:04.000 I'm starting to understand how this game works.

00:56:06.000 Nick will laugh and chortle, and you're welcome to do that. 0.56

00:56:09.000 And I welcome it because a lot of people found your comments there of denuclearize Israel to be laughable. 0.98

00:56:18.000 That's fine.

00:56:18.000 Yeah, well, because it's a laughable position that you staked out.

00:56:22.000 I mean, and you can bring it up, it's really fascinating to me because when I was in high school, I was really entrenched in all of the boomer Zionist kind of rhetoric. 0.75

00:56:34.000 The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, who went and collaborated with Hitler and all that.

00:56:40.000 And I brought up and I interrupted you, for which I apologize.

00:56:44.000 I've done it worse.

00:56:45.000 I apologize.

00:56:46.000 Oh, I did it again. 0.59

00:56:47.000 Who else collaborated with the Nazis? 0.70

00:56:47.000 I'm sorry. 0.70

00:56:51.000 And I think you'd be surprised to find out that in 1933, the Nazi government collaborated with the Zionist German Jews in something called the Havara Agreement.

00:57:01.000 Have you ever heard of this?

00:57:06.000 I'll take that as a no. 0.59

00:57:07.000 The Havara Agreement in 1933 was a deal made by the Zionist Jews where the German Jews would have. 0.58

00:57:14.000 So the German Jews that were moving to Palestine, they would sell their assets to the German government and in exchange.

00:57:22.000 That's not collaboration, though.

00:57:23.000 Sorry. 0.53

00:57:23.000 They would buy German manufactured goods, which would be shipped to Palestine. 0.53

00:57:27.000 And you understand in this context that the Zionist Jews were a real cutthroat lot, very ruthless. 1.00

00:57:35.000 And in fact, this was only one of many. 1.00

00:57:38.000 Very questionable alliances that they made, or questionable choices they made to get Jews to emigrate. 0.64

00:57:43.000 You saw that throughout the 1930s, they actually were the stimulants behind many anti Semitic attacks in Eastern Europe and also in Iraq to drive Jews to Palestine. 0.78

00:57:56.000 The Zionists said, We have this dream for the state, we have to populate it.

00:58:01.000 Not enough Jews are coming to Palestine.

00:58:03.000 So in Eastern Europe, they started perpetrating these vast anti Semitic hoaxes.

00:58:08.000 To drive Ashkenazi Jews from places like Poland and Russia.

00:58:12.000 Poland didn't exist at the time, but to drive them down into, or no, excuse me, it did exist at the time. 0.96

00:58:17.000 It was before. 0.97

00:58:18.000 To drive them down into Palestine. 0.99

00:58:20.000 They did the same thing in Iraq. 0.86

00:58:21.000 They attacked Iraqi Jews to drive them into Palestine. 0.83

00:58:25.000 And it just goes to show that these, I think even Jews can take issue with a lot of the Zionists. 0.82

00:58:29.000 And you mentioned even before the stream started, a lot of Jews did. 1.00

00:58:33.000 And that's because they were a very cutthroat lot. 1.00

00:58:35.000 Certainly not a moral people.

00:58:36.000 Certainly not a shining Western democracy.

00:58:40.000 Certainly nothing close to that.

00:58:42.000 That's not, you know, that's an incorrect statement right there.

00:58:45.000 You see a Knesset, you see a parliament.

00:58:47.000 That's what I'm talking about with the government that's there.

00:58:49.000 You have Arabs, you have Jews, you have Christians who are able to participate.

00:58:52.000 So that speaks to that issue. 0.84

00:58:54.000 You're bringing up this collaboration agreement that doesn't dissuade the fact that for Hitler, his plan was a final solution to get rid of all Jewry. 0.91

00:59:03.000 So you have this incremental attempt first to just get them out. 0.92

00:59:06.000 They left on their own.

00:59:07.000 What's your point?

00:59:09.000 Look, I hate to be this guy.

00:59:13.000 What's your point? 0.60

00:59:14.000 Yeah, well, let me ask you a very simple question Can you produce a single document where Hitler signed off on something called the final solution? 0.78

00:59:24.000 Because, you know.

00:59:26.000 Steve Pinker, he put out a challenge where he said, You know, I'm putting up all this money.

00:59:30.000 If anyone can offer me a single document, of course, I'm not suggesting the Holocaust didn't happen, but you make these kinds of claims.

00:59:38.000 I'm just wondering if you've seen any documentation for that. 0.75

00:59:41.000 Just because he didn't sign off on something doesn't mean that he didn't order it.

00:59:44.000 It doesn't mean that it's part of his system.

00:59:46.000 I was just asking.

00:59:47.000 I was just asking.

00:59:48.000 That's fine.

00:59:49.000 Is your question to allege that there wasn't actually a final solution to get it?

00:59:53.000 I would never suggest anything like that.

00:59:55.000 Why are you doing that?

00:59:57.000 If I were to suggest that, I would be thrown in jail in many countries.

01:00:00.000 So I would never suggest that.

01:00:01.000 That doesn't matter.

01:00:02.000 You're in the United States and you're allowed to have that opinion. 0.90

01:00:04.000 You are suggesting then that the Holocaust didn't happen. 0.52

01:00:06.000 I'm not suggesting that at all. 0.82

01:00:08.000 I'm not.

01:00:09.000 Then why do you bring up this question about Hitler not signing a document?

01:00:14.000 Why are you bringing that up?

01:00:16.000 It was just a curiosity.

01:00:16.000 I've never seen that.

01:00:18.000 What's your point?

01:00:18.000 Just a curiosity.

01:00:19.000 Just a curiosity.

01:00:20.000 Why did you bring it up?

01:00:22.000 You have a responsibility to answer that.

01:00:24.000 Out of curiosity.

01:00:25.000 Out of curiosity.

01:00:26.000 Something sparked that curiosity.

01:00:27.000 So what is it?

01:00:29.000 I'm just a very curious person.

01:00:31.000 No, that's not it.

01:00:31.000 I like to.

01:00:33.000 I think it's unfortunate.

01:00:35.000 I think it is unfortunate that we see a generation of youths, millennials, whatever, have a hatred of Israel, have a hatred of the Holocaust.

01:00:46.000 No.

01:00:47.000 I mean, that's not what I'm doing.

01:00:50.000 Then what was the curiosity born of?

01:00:53.000 Curiosity? 0.96

01:00:54.000 What does that have to do with why Israel doesn't have.

01:00:57.000 I'm wondering because you make this claim about this.

01:01:00.000 And look, in my research.

01:01:02.000 Let me put that up there.

01:01:03.000 In my research, I'm a factual person.

01:01:05.000 I like to see documents.

01:01:06.000 I like to see the hard evidence, the source material.

01:01:10.000 And I'm telling you, one of the premier historians in the world says that it's not there.

01:01:16.000 And look, I believe, in spite of all the evidence, I believe it happened.

01:01:21.000 I really believe it did, in spite of all the doubts and the curiosities.

01:01:25.000 Trust me.

01:01:26.000 I'm glad that you established that.

01:01:27.000 That's fine.

01:01:28.000 I'm curious if you'd seen it.

01:01:30.000 Was there a question before that, or was there a refutation you were offering about why Zionism is bad?

01:01:35.000 Or why the Middle Eastern wars are unjust, or yeah, the question is Israel is not our ally. 0.61

01:01:41.000 Well, hold on, we're gonna get into the Middle Eastern wars.

01:01:45.000 Arthur and Nick, we're gonna get into the Middle Eastern wars right now, but I have to get through a couple of these just so towards the end of the show I don't have to read too many of them.

01:01:54.000 All right, so these are now Dan Dan Bam for two dollars says they put their messiah on a stick. 0.95

01:02:02.000 Dan Dan Bam again for two dollars says, Arthur, do you know what a crypto Jew is? 0.86

01:02:07.000 Sam Sam says, Arthur, are you familiar with the Talmud and what it preaches about the non Jew Gentiles? 0.57

01:02:15.000 Alphonsus for $5 says, Thanks for hosting, Vince. 0.99

01:02:19.000 Let's go, Nick.

01:02:20.000 Hope all is well. 0.97

01:02:22.000 David's a dirty hun. 0.98

01:02:25.000 That is all. 0.99

01:02:26.000 Cheers.

01:02:27.000 Major White Boy for $5.

01:02:28.000 Hang on, Arthur.

01:02:30.000 I got to read through these, okay?

01:02:31.000 Is that from Alphonsus, by the way?

01:02:33.000 That was from Alphonsus.

01:02:34.000 Major White Boy for $5 says, Glad you had the guts to come back, Arthur.

01:02:40.000 You're not.

01:02:40.000 I mean that.

01:02:41.000 In a fun spot.

01:02:42.000 Good luck.

01:02:43.000 You're going to need it.

01:02:44.000 Ryan for $2 says Nick has forgotten about the six gorillion lampshades. 0.99

01:02:50.000 Blitz, one, two, three, fool. 0.94

01:02:52.000 Arthur, I have to read through these sponsored chats. 0.99

01:02:52.000 Okay. 0.99

01:02:55.000 You know, because they're super chats.

01:02:58.000 Yeah, these are super chats.

01:03:01.000 That's fine.

01:03:02.000 That's all right. 0.99

01:03:04.000 Major Whiteboy says, fucking triggered with three brackets around it. 0.99

01:03:09.000 Cynthia for $5 says, good job, Israel. 1.00

01:03:12.000 You're supporting.

01:03:13.000 So I already read some of those, and then we have some to read later on.

01:03:13.000 Oh, okay.

01:03:16.000 But let's get into the Middle Eastern wars.

01:03:19.000 Arthur, you did say in a tweet that I forgot to switch screens there.

01:03:23.000 Arthur, you said in a tweet today.

01:03:25.000 I think it's interesting that you want to go away from the super chats.

01:03:30.000 No, actually, I won't because I think some of you viewers would like to see.

01:03:36.000 Are they sponsored Goy rubbing hands?

01:03:38.000 Arthur loves America generally more than anyone else.

01:03:41.000 I noticed you didn't read that. 0.79

01:03:42.000 Shut down those super chats, Goy.

01:03:45.000 That is not a super chats.

01:03:46.000 I disagree because I'm Zionist.

01:03:49.000 Right, Nick?

01:03:50.000 No documents, no proof.

01:03:52.000 Arthur, do you know Arthur?

01:03:56.000 I'm going to mute Arthur.

01:03:57.000 Arthur.

01:03:58.000 Do you know the difference between super chats and regular comments?

01:04:02.000 I don't want you to see that.

01:04:04.000 It doesn't matter the difference.

01:04:04.000 Okay, that's fine.

01:04:06.000 I do know the difference because you have people who pay in to be at the top of the chat.

01:04:09.000 All right, that's it.

01:04:10.000 That's it.

01:04:11.000 Now, why is it that he doesn't want to read them?

01:04:13.000 Because you see people who are saying the Holocaust didn't happen.

01:04:16.000 Why didn't you read all those comments?

01:04:18.000 Arthur.

01:04:19.000 You don't have to read all of them.

01:04:20.000 I would gladly.

01:04:21.000 All the comments that were on my behalf as well.

01:04:23.000 I would gladly.

01:04:27.000 Jesus Christ.

01:04:28.000 One of them told me.

01:04:29.000 I would gladly read.

01:04:31.000 Why is it that he's going to read the chats that denigrate me, but won't read the comments that support me?

01:04:38.000 And even if there's one or two, I'm going to get that guy.

01:04:44.000 You got to get that guy, really.

01:04:46.000 All right.

01:04:48.000 There's the super chats.

01:04:49.000 There's in support, and then there's not in support.

01:04:52.000 I would gladly read any super chats you send me. 0.87

01:04:55.000 If there's Arthur Shopper fans out there, send me your super chats, and I will fucking read them on air.

01:05:02.000 But we don't have time to read all the comments. 0.91

01:05:05.000 We have 1,300 people watching and we're bleeding viewers because this is happening.

01:05:09.000 So I have to get through this and I have to keep on schedule because I'm a very obsessive compulsive person and I like things to be organized.

01:05:17.000 So, Arthur Shopper, today you said on Twitter that you support the war in Iraq.

01:05:26.000 And I want to ask both of you do you support the war in Iraq?

01:05:30.000 Do you support the intervention in the Middle East?

01:05:32.000 And I will start with Arthur Shopper.

01:05:34.000 Go ahead.

01:05:35.000 Wait.

01:05:35.000 Hang on.

01:05:36.000 Let me.

01:05:36.000 How do we.

01:05:37.000 Arthur, you're muted.

01:05:40.000 You got to unmute him.

01:05:41.000 All right.

01:05:41.000 So I want, you know, I've got my own life fee going on at the same time.

01:05:45.000 I just want you to know that those were the comments there.

01:05:49.000 There were other hideous comments denying Holocaust and other things too.

01:05:53.000 And then they didn't want to read that.

01:05:55.000 There was somebody who was listening to this and says, Arthur loves America more than anyone else.

01:05:59.000 And you'll notice they won't read it just because it's not a super chat.

01:06:03.000 Therefore, they gloss over it.

01:06:04.000 And once again, you see you have a moderator who is.

01:06:08.000 Totally on the other side with one of them, you don't have someone who's fully objective.

01:06:13.000 Okay, so I'll have that going live as well.

01:06:15.000 Can you answer the question?

01:06:17.000 Yes, absolutely.

01:06:18.000 Because we saw with Saddam Hussein and you had Al Qaeda, you had links being established.

01:06:22.000 You had five intelligence agencies which established that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

01:06:28.000 Three of those countries had no interest in doing anything in the region.

01:06:31.000 We're talking about Russia, we're talking about France, we're talking about Germany.

01:06:35.000 And they found weapons of mass destruction.

01:06:37.000 The Washington Post established this in an article in 2005.

01:06:40.000 The WikiLeaks cables confirmed this.

01:06:43.000 Which debunks this argument that George W. Bush lied and people died.

01:06:48.000 Oh, boy.

01:06:48.000 Yeah.

01:06:50.000 Let's unpack that.

01:06:53.000 So, everybody, you're seeing me go live.

01:06:55.000 I'm going to read the chats if they mute me again.

01:06:58.000 That's what I'll do.

01:06:59.000 Great. 0.70

01:07:00.000 Fire away. 0.97

01:07:02.000 Yeah, so I am against the Iraq war, of course. 0.99

01:07:05.000 Like Donald Trump, I'm against the Iraq war, which is weird because you know, you bill yourself as the Trump loving Moggapede and yet you're a fucking neocon. 0.94

01:07:13.000 So, it's very weird why you seem to be again. 0.96

01:07:15.000 I mean, do you hate the president? 0.99

01:07:16.000 I want you to notice how he said fucking and neocon. 1.00

01:07:19.000 Back to the president again. 0.99

01:07:21.000 Back to the issues.

01:07:22.000 Back to the personal attack.

01:07:23.000 I think he hates the president, but I'll go ahead into the issues.

01:07:28.000 So, this is what it comes down to, folks.

01:07:31.000 You have a guy who has to resort to the hateful meme calling, who has to resort to the smears. 0.97

01:07:36.000 This is the same crap that happened on the Twitter feed, too. 0.97

01:07:39.000 That's right. 0.97

01:07:39.000 Now, to get into the issues. 0.97

01:07:42.000 And he's still calling me a boomer, folks, even though I'm a warning.

01:07:46.000 I want to say Arthur, he let you finish your response to why the Iraq war is going on. 0.89

01:07:55.000 I don't have to let him finish because if you're going to have somebody, if this is all that they can resort to, is the flimsy name calling, the arguments that there's no documentation that supports the Holocaust, the same kind of sniveling hatred that says Jews don't have a right to protect themselves in Iran, oh my God, they should have a nuclear weapon because those Jews are so scary because they want to throw everybody off the face of their own. 0.64

01:08:20.000 Arthur, do you need a safe space?

01:08:23.000 This is the same thing.

01:08:25.000 You blocked a guy on Twitter because he had a Picture of you wearing a tiara, Arthur.

01:08:29.000 This debate was going so well.

01:08:31.000 This debate was going, we're doing so good here.

01:08:34.000 Oh, all right.

01:08:35.000 Okay.

01:08:36.000 Can Nick, what happened?

01:08:37.000 Arthur just, oh my god, Arthur just got left somehow.

01:08:40.000 I don't know how.

01:08:44.000 I don't know.

01:08:45.000 Did you kick him or did he just leave?

01:08:47.000 No, I didn't kick him.

01:08:48.000 I guess he left.

01:08:49.000 That's unfortunate.

01:08:50.000 Did he cast himself?

01:08:51.000 I don't think he wouldn't have done that.

01:08:56.000 Where are you?

01:09:01.000 Let me see if he'll come back.

01:09:02.000 I don't think that he did that on purpose.

01:09:06.000 I think if he did, I mean, he's been getting beaten very badly.

01:09:09.000 So he has to resort to these kinds of distractions and time wasters and making a lot of noise.

01:09:16.000 Outclassed, outclassed by somebody half his age.

01:09:20.000 It's a shame. 0.99

01:09:22.000 But I think it's less than half now, isn't it?

01:09:25.000 No, he's 38, right?

01:09:27.000 Oh, right, Almost exactly.

01:09:31.000 I don't think that he would have quit.

01:09:34.000 I think he's going off on Facebook right now.

01:09:38.000 Is he?

01:09:39.000 I don't know.

01:09:39.000 I could check.

01:09:40.000 What a rube.

01:09:43.000 He'll be like, oh, we're all biased.

01:09:44.000 We all ganged up on him.

01:09:46.000 We all muted him.

01:09:48.000 I was trying to let it go so nicely.

01:09:50.000 Where is this guy?

01:09:52.000 I asked him in the beginning if he had Asperger's, and he said no, but I don't believe him.

01:10:00.000 I mean, you only threw like one ad hominem at him, right, Nick?

01:10:03.000 What I call him a neocon. 0.57

01:10:05.000 I mean, that's not really bad.

01:10:06.000 That's basically correct.

01:10:07.000 The war in Iraq was a neoconservative war.

01:10:11.000 If he sees that as an epithet, I think it's more of an insult to himself, you know?

01:10:17.000 Well, I mean, James went on a lot harder last time and he didn't leave, so.

01:10:21.000 Yeah, he put up with that.

01:10:24.000 I was beating him very badly on the issues.

01:10:29.000 Certainly.

01:10:30.000 Yeah, I mean, it might have been a rage quit then.

01:10:33.000 You think he rage quit?

01:10:35.000 I think he would have been back by now, right?

01:10:38.000 I don't know.

01:10:39.000 He's not answering his phone either.

01:10:41.000 Oh, poor guy.

01:10:42.000 Poor fella.

01:10:44.000 I don't want to end it until he certainly answers me, you know, and says, hey, you know.

01:10:49.000 Sure, sure.

01:10:50.000 Right.

01:10:51.000 Oh.

01:10:52.000 Again, here.

01:10:55.000 What do you got?

01:10:56.000 Hot takes.

01:10:57.000 What hot takes do you got there, David?

01:10:59.000 Well, I was just thinking that this was the first rage quit I've ever seen on any of these debates, like from Worski to any of that stuff.

01:11:09.000 I heard of someone rage quitting once.

01:11:11.000 Maybe it's just a.

01:11:12.000 Cantwell rage quit.

01:11:13.000 Oh, Cantwell.

01:11:17.000 Right.

01:11:18.000 Well, disappointing.

01:11:20.000 I thought I was going to get to.

01:11:22.000 BTFO on the Iraq war, too. 1.00

01:11:24.000 It's funny because he's like a Mogapede, and that was one of the fundamental pillars opposition to the Iraq war. 1.00

01:11:32.000 Well, shit, I had a lot of shit to get into. 0.99

01:11:34.000 I mean, the Iraq war, I had, you know, rabble rousing by Bibi Netanyahu. 1.00

01:11:38.000 I had fucking another point, too, and I don't know where he went. 0.93

01:11:44.000 He couldn't take the heat. 0.97

01:11:45.000 He couldn't take the heat.

01:11:46.000 He got a little bit of pushback, and then he got it's that meme when you have Wajak with the laughing face mask, but he's crying behind it.

01:11:57.000 You know, I had Halsey on with Frame Game and Angelo yesterday, and I did ask him.

01:12:05.000 I was asking him if he wanted to team up with someone against you, but I don't think that he wants to.

01:12:10.000 Yeah.

01:12:10.000 Who, Halsey?

01:12:11.000 Yeah, I don't blame him.

01:12:13.000 I don't blame him after the first one.

01:12:15.000 I mean, look, people don't like it because I, you know, notice I don't come into it with nasty stuff, except for with Halsey.

01:12:23.000 That was different.

01:12:24.000 Oh, here he is.

01:12:25.000 Arthur, what happened?

01:12:25.000 Here we go.

01:12:25.000 All right.

01:12:28.000 Arthur, you there?

01:12:31.000 We can see that. 1.00

01:12:34.000 I don't know if I. Jews don't have a right to be there. 1.00

01:12:36.000 I mean, it's just like. 1.00

01:12:37.000 Oh, there you are.

01:12:38.000 Arthur, you're back.

01:12:40.000 Yes.

01:12:40.000 Back for more punishment.

01:12:41.000 I'm sorry.

01:12:42.000 You cut out there.

01:12:43.000 I think it's your internet connection.

01:12:45.000 So, the fact is, okay, well, you know what?

01:12:50.000 This is the hardest thing.

01:12:51.000 You know, when you've got a guy who says Iran has a right to defend itself because it's a victim of a hostile Jewish state, it's a little difficult to be quiet for that.

01:13:00.000 I literally thought your feet actually cut out.

01:13:04.000 Your feet actually.

01:13:07.000 It's just astonishing to me that that would happen.

01:13:11.000 And then for you to have people, you don't read the chats that are supportive of me.

01:13:15.000 They're not super chats.

01:13:16.000 Stop lying, you baby.

01:13:19.000 What I have to do, what I just have to do is.

01:13:23.000 What about me? 0.99

01:13:25.000 I'm like, shut up. 0.99

01:13:26.000 And that's the way it is. 0.99

01:13:29.000 Well, you know what?

01:13:29.000 All right.

01:13:30.000 I got a guy who says. 1.00

01:13:31.000 He calls somebody a fucking baby. 1.00

01:13:33.000 Yeah, yeah, you're a fucking. 1.00

01:13:34.000 A peanut headed baby? 1.00

01:13:36.000 That's how you fuck up. 1.00

01:13:40.000 You're the one who throws a fit and curses at people. 1.00

01:13:44.000 Yeah, I am going to address it to you.

01:13:47.000 Oh my God.

01:13:48.000 The sound of the debate?

01:13:50.000 Who's the one who's triggered right now?

01:13:52.000 The guy who curses?

01:13:53.000 The guy who swears?

01:13:54.000 Really?

01:13:55.000 You're the one that just tapped him out.

01:13:58.000 You're the guy who wants to act like this in public.

01:14:01.000 Yeah, cry.

01:14:03.000 Cry about it. 0.99

01:14:04.000 That's fucking weird. 0.99

01:14:05.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:14:06.000 I'm just stating a simple fact.

01:14:07.000 Oh, yeah.

01:14:07.000 Okay.

01:14:08.000 You're adult enough to handle it.

01:14:10.000 This is a guy who blocked Jackbox357 for putting a tiara on his head.

01:14:16.000 You want to talk about crying and whining?

01:14:18.000 Give me a break.

01:14:19.000 All right, guys, we have two.

01:14:21.000 Let me.

01:14:22.000 I'm going to interrupt now.

01:14:22.000 Can I cut in here?

01:14:24.000 It's my turn to interrupt.

01:14:25.000 Okay.

01:14:26.000 Arthur, your feet literally disappeared there for a minute.

01:14:28.000 I don't know if it was your connection or what.

01:14:30.000 But so here's my thing.

01:14:30.000 And then you came back in.

01:14:32.000 I have two really, really, really important issues to get to.

01:14:35.000 I have two really important issues that I really want your thoughts on.

01:14:39.000 And then I'm going to read some super chats.

01:14:41.000 Okay.

01:14:42.000 The first, let's start over.

01:14:43.000 Let's pretend that doesn't happen.

01:14:44.000 And Arthur, by the way, the live chat is replayed on the right on the side of the screen when this video will be forever, hopefully.

01:14:53.000 Oh, I know.

01:14:54.000 I got a couple of people.

01:14:55.000 There's Arthur in parentheses.

01:14:57.000 Okay.

01:14:58.000 All right.

01:14:58.000 Nice.

01:14:59.000 So, can I?

01:15:00.000 All right.

01:15:00.000 Now, here we go.

01:15:01.000 I'm going to ask you guys one more time.

01:15:02.000 We got two very important issues.

01:15:04.000 This debate's going so well right now up until this point.

01:15:07.000 I want you guys to debate it cordially, no matter if it's ad hominem attacks or not.

01:15:15.000 You know, things that you believe are incredible to say, I want you guys to give each other the turns and then give the responses.

01:15:24.000 Now, the first, let's start over with the Iraq War.

01:15:27.000 Arthur, you said you support the Iraq War, you support the intervention in the Middle East.

01:15:32.000 Do you want to repeat your answer as to why?

01:15:34.000 Go ahead.

01:15:36.000 And we will let you finish.

01:15:38.000 Sure.

01:15:38.000 I wouldn't repeat it because now you see so many bad actors tearing each other up in Syria.

01:15:44.000 And you've got, well, ISIS has finally been quelled.

01:15:46.000 Thank you, Donald Trump.

01:15:49.000 That's why. 0.68

01:15:52.000 Okay, Nick, why do you not support the Iraq War? 0.84

01:15:56.000 Yeah, the Iraq War was probably the biggest mistake in American history.

01:16:01.000 And to understand why, you have to understand the genesis of the Iraq War. 0.70

01:16:05.000 You have to understand the decision makers who brought us to war in Iraq, which was an extremely Zionist and Jewish neoconservative intellectual class.

01:16:20.000 Rip, baby, Arthur. 0.84

01:16:20.000 Excuse me. 0.84

01:16:22.000 You could read.

01:16:25.000 James, Vincent, are we going to enforce rules?

01:16:27.000 Arthur, they can hear you.

01:16:29.000 Can you let Nick finish?

01:16:29.000 Go ahead, Nick.

01:16:30.000 Oh, okay.

01:16:31.000 Sorry.

01:16:32.000 Yes.

01:16:33.000 So, and I don't even think you're listening, but this might be a little bit of a.

01:16:36.000 All right, I'm not listening. 0.99

01:16:38.000 When a guy calls someone a fucking neocon, that's the best you got. 0.99

01:16:41.000 It's pointless. 1.00

01:16:42.000 You're a neoconservative.

01:16:44.000 And so, true.

01:16:46.000 Ladies and gentlemen, this is what the debate has devolved into.

01:16:50.000 All right, Vincent, can we get a little action here?

01:16:51.000 You're going to have to meet this guy.

01:16:53.000 All right, Arthur.

01:16:53.000 Yeah.

01:16:55.000 Arthur, real quick.

01:16:56.000 Arthur.

01:16:58.000 Arthur, can I talk to you for a minute?

01:17:00.000 Arthur, so I have been with you to many city halls.

01:17:06.000 I've been with you to many town halls by your side fighting against SB 54.

01:17:12.000 I ask this from you for me.

01:17:16.000 Can you please let someone respond before your response?

01:17:20.000 Can we go forward with this with the last two points that I have that are very important? 0.98

01:17:24.000 I'm a fucking neocon, right? 0.96

01:17:26.000 So therefore, it's not a debate. 0.99

01:17:29.000 You can respond to that.

01:17:32.000 Yes.

01:17:33.000 Okay, this is what it comes down to. 1.00

01:17:35.000 This is the crap that Nick Fonte's pulls. 1.00

01:17:37.000 You go to cursing, you go to shaming people, and then you go to. 1.00

01:17:41.000 You're a baby. 1.00

01:17:42.000 Shut up. 1.00

01:17:43.000 The baby comments. 1.00

01:17:44.000 The baby comments. 1.00

01:17:45.000 Shut up. 1.00

01:17:47.000 This is incredible stuff, folks. 1.00

01:17:49.000 This is what blood sports are.

01:17:51.000 This is why.

01:17:51.000 Yes, it's called blood sports.

01:17:52.000 Arthur, just do it back to him.

01:17:54.000 Do it back to him.

01:17:55.000 It is.

01:17:55.000 Do it back to him.

01:17:56.000 This is why it's called blood sports.

01:17:58.000 There is no blood being shed.

01:18:00.000 There is no blood being shed.

01:18:03.000 What you have is a 19 year old who lived in his basement.

01:18:06.000 There we go.

01:18:07.000 There you go.

01:18:08.000 There you go.

01:18:10.000 And now he wants to come out here and make lies about people.

01:18:13.000 This is a guy who thinks that Iran did have a nuclear weapon.

01:18:16.000 Everybody just let that sink in.

01:18:18.000 There you go.

01:18:19.000 There's some more.

01:18:20.000 There you go.

01:18:20.000 There's some more.

01:18:21.000 Now we're even.

01:18:27.000 There you go.

01:18:28.000 Hold on.

01:18:29.000 There you go.

01:18:29.000 What do you mean?

01:18:31.000 Before.

01:18:31.000 Now we're even.

01:18:32.000 What are you talking about being even?

01:18:34.000 This isn't about even or odd.

01:18:36.000 This is about a guy who thinks that Jews should be pushed into the sea, who thinks that there wasn't really a Holocaust. 0.71

01:18:43.000 Jewish filibuster. 0.90

01:18:45.000 Jewish filibuster. 0.95

01:18:47.000 I'm not even a Jew. 0.64

01:18:48.000 I'm Jewish ancestry.

01:18:50.000 This guy calls me a Jew.

01:18:50.000 Arthur.

01:18:53.000 He then calls me a boomer.

01:18:55.000 And then he comes into a program here and he goes right to calling out the ethnic Jews.

01:19:01.000 Do you have racism in Jewish ancestry?

01:19:03.000 I want you to notice here. 0.99

01:19:04.000 This is why Arthur is not able.

01:19:08.000 I think he does.

01:19:09.000 It's like this fanatical hatred that is really wrong.

01:19:13.000 Now, why is that? 0.80

01:19:13.000 Genetic. 0.80

01:19:15.000 And I want to notice how.

01:19:18.000 Arthur, can I talk?

01:19:19.000 It's like Hall's.

01:19:20.000 You know what?

01:19:21.000 He's going on a rant.

01:19:22.000 You can't stop him.

01:19:23.000 You're going to have to mute him.

01:19:25.000 You're going to have to mute him.

01:19:27.000 I have a problem accepting this.

01:19:30.000 Okay, Arthur.

01:19:31.000 They can mute me if you want.

01:19:32.000 Now I'm starting to understand.

01:19:35.000 Arthur, can you understand now?

01:19:37.000 You're going to have fundamental reasons.

01:19:38.000 You can't reason with this individual.

01:19:40.000 He's beyond.

01:19:41.000 He's not here.

01:19:43.000 You are looking.

01:19:46.000 He's live streaming.

01:19:47.000 Too far gone.

01:19:48.000 All right.

01:19:49.000 Oh, boy.

01:19:50.000 Wow.

01:19:51.000 That's a headache.

01:19:52.000 He's still going, too.

01:19:53.000 Now, if we're going to talk about the issues, and at this point, this is more for the audience's benefit than Arthur.

01:20:00.000 Arthur is set in his ways. 1.00

01:20:02.000 He wants to be a Jewish shill. 1.00

01:20:03.000 Maybe that's because of his ethnic ancestry. 0.98

01:20:06.000 Who knows?

01:20:07.000 But if we want to talk about the Iraq war, we have to understand who brought us to war in Iraq.

01:20:12.000 It was people like Richard Pearl, Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz.

01:20:17.000 David Wormser, all people who, by the way, authored, with the exception of Wolfowitz, authored the Clean Break Memo in 1996, which they said was this was for Bibi Netanyahu in 1996.

01:20:30.000 These three, Pearl, Fief, Wormser, they wrote a memo for Bibi Netanyahu, the then Prime Minister of Israel, in which they described a new foreign policy for Israel.

01:20:40.000 And in one of the sections entitled Securing the Northern Border, they said the only way they could secure the Northern Border is if they take out Syria, if they take out Lebanon.

01:20:51.000 And the way they get to Syria and Lebanon is by first taking out Iraq.

01:20:56.000 Now, that's not an exceptional thing in and of itself.

01:20:59.000 Not really remarkable that these three gentlemen wrote a memo. 0.55

01:21:02.000 What is exceptional is that Fife, Pearl, and Wormser wrote this memo about taking out Iraq in order to take out Syria in 1996 for Bibi Netanyahu.

01:21:14.000 Five years later, they come and they work in the Bush administration.

01:21:19.000 Fife and Pearl work as undersecretaries of defense.

01:21:23.000 In the Defense Department, they create an office in the Pentagon called the Office of Special Plans, under which they oversee the creation or fabrication, rather, of false intelligence linking Saddam Hussein to Al Qaeda, and they essentially fabricate the reason for going to war.

01:21:40.000 So, if you understand the neoconservative, Zionist, and Jewish roots of the decision makers who brought us to war in Iraq, you understand that the decision to bring us to war in Iraq was made long before they created the justification with weapons of mass destruction or.

01:21:58.000 Ties to Al Qaeda or Anthony. 0.82

01:22:00.000 That was all a lie.

01:22:01.000 That was all a post hoc rationale. 0.70

01:22:04.000 And you know this because for 30 or 35 years now, it was the Zionist foreign policy to unseat Saddam Hussein in Iraq and, in the words of the Oded Yunnan 1980s plan for Israel, disintegrate Middle Eastern countries into what they call a quilt of different tribes. 0.74

01:22:22.000 They wanted to destroy all the nation states and make them all just tribes that could not threaten Israel. 0.61

01:22:27.000 And so the war in Iraq had cost $6 trillion.

01:22:29.000 We got nothing from it.

01:22:31.000 If anything, you can thank Obama for that.

01:22:34.000 What's that?

01:22:34.000 You can thank Obama for that.

01:22:35.000 Why we didn't get out of Iraq.

01:22:37.000 You had a burgeoning democracy there, and then he just pulled troops out of the region.

01:22:42.000 And the fact is, I go back to the WikiLeaks cables, I go back to the reports.

01:22:47.000 You had the media changing the goalposts and what defined WMD.

01:22:50.000 The intelligence we had determined that Iraq was working with Al Qaeda. 0.63

01:22:54.000 And by the way, of course, this has been planned in advance.

01:22:56.000 In 1998, there was a resolution for regime change pushed by the Clinton administration.

01:23:03.000 Done.

01:23:04.000 Yeah, yeah, no.

01:23:04.000 Yeah, okay.

01:23:05.000 But the difference is that the very people that worked in the Defense Department who sold the war in Iraq, who literally fabricated the intelligence, they created the office.

01:23:14.000 Which created the intelligence to connect Al Qaeda.

01:23:17.000 Vince is taking the next side.

01:23:17.000 I know.

01:23:18.000 I told you guys this is not a fair debate.

01:23:20.000 Those exact words.

01:23:21.000 That's okay.

01:23:22.000 Wrote a memo for BB Netanyahu saying that the way to secure the northern border was to destroy Iraq and then to destroy Syria.

01:23:29.000 And you could even ask I forget the name of him, but there was a general.

01:23:33.000 And I could look that up when Arthur's talking next.

01:23:35.000 But there was a general who wrote about this.

01:23:38.000 He was the supreme commander of NATO allied forces in the last three years of our engagement in Syria.

01:23:45.000 He's been speaking at length.

01:23:47.000 Is there going to be a.

01:23:48.000 When I get to say anything, or it doesn't matter at this point, and he talked about how in the ninth as early as you'll notice how he gets to keep going, and I don't get to say anything.

01:23:57.000 Well, I want him to finish his actual.

01:24:00.000 That's because you've chosen his side here. 0.97

01:24:02.000 Come on, this is ridiculous. 0.99

01:24:06.000 Look at this, and he's gonna say, Look at this, goof, and he really cares. 1.00

01:24:11.000 You're a goof. 0.99

01:24:12.000 The fact of the matter is, you have people you're drawing from whatever sources and trying to make some Zionist connection in that it's some sinister force that is all right in the United States. 0.99

01:24:22.000 I mean, look what's happening with Iran now. 0.65

01:24:24.000 You have BB asking the United States for support.

01:24:27.000 This is coming from a tweet that Vincent had offered to me and saying, Are you telling me that I should send my children to fight for Israel?

01:24:34.000 I said, No.

01:24:36.000 I'm saying your children have the choice, whoever they want to fight for.

01:24:39.000 That is their choice. 0.62

01:24:41.000 You're automatically drawing an argument that because Israel doesn't want a nuclear Iran and wants to be protected from this fanatical regime, that therefore they're driving the United States into a war. 0.77

01:24:52.000 It's all propaganda, it is all one. 0.77

01:24:55.000 100%. 0.66

01:24:56.000 So is when you make the claim that Hitler didn't sign anything, so therefore he didn't initiate any final solution. 0.76

01:25:02.000 All right, I think that's the only way that we're going to get Arthur to the point. 0.62

01:25:07.000 You have to understand something, Vincent.

01:25:09.000 You're not going to play this game that you've played before where you pick a side and then you've got some other guys.

01:25:15.000 I'm not saying anything.

01:25:17.000 I haven't said anything.

01:25:19.000 Yes, you have.

01:25:21.000 I haven't said anything.

01:25:25.000 You get the same thing with James Alsup.

01:25:28.000 I haven't said anything.

01:25:31.000 I can tell you right now.

01:25:35.000 You get the same thing with James Alsup.

01:25:42.000 I guarantee you this.

01:25:45.000 If I do a stopwatch right now with Arthur and I give you each a minute response, I guarantee you, Arthur, that you're going to interrupt within that minute response.

01:25:53.000 Unmute yourself.

01:25:55.000 Unmute yourself.

01:25:57.000 We'll make this really simple.

01:25:59.000 I'm going to make this real simple.

01:26:02.000 I asked you on here to debate, and all you do is, and I'm not even saying anything, and you're attacking me.

01:26:09.000 I'm saying nothing.

01:26:11.000 I'm going to give you each a minute response, and I'm going to show you that you're even going to interrupt within that minute response.

01:26:23.000 So go ahead, Nick.

01:26:23.000 Probably.

01:26:26.000 There's something about garbage which has absolutely no value to me. 0.97

01:26:30.000 When you hear somebody saying, I got the knife before you did, Nick, so please. 0.90

01:26:33.000 I also have a cake, Nike, if you need it.

01:26:36.000 But whatever.

01:26:37.000 Just laugh at your own joke.

01:26:40.000 Hey, it's better than listening to you. 1.00

01:26:43.000 You're straight retarded, dude. 1.00

01:26:45.000 You have like the mental capacity of a 15 year old. 1.00

01:26:48.000 So, you don't want to have a debate. 1.00

01:26:50.000 You just want to have somebody who engages in stupid name calling. 1.00

01:26:53.000 I really want to have this conversation. 1.00

01:26:55.000 You're not here to tell everybody.

01:26:57.000 You're not saying it here.

01:26:59.000 Red Elephants isn't interested in a debate.

01:27:01.000 What they're interested in is a hate fest against Israel.

01:27:04.000 Drawing a bunch of evidence, which under the guns.

01:27:07.000 Now you're the funny one.

01:27:09.000 You're the funny one.

01:27:10.000 Nick.

01:27:11.000 You can have the debate.

01:27:12.000 Have a nice day.

01:27:12.000 You win.

01:27:13.000 I do win.

01:27:14.000 Thank you.

01:27:15.000 All right.

01:27:15.000 He's going to have a bad day.

01:27:17.000 That's the real one.

01:27:17.000 Wow.

01:27:19.000 I was even going to do it.

01:27:21.000 Has anyone ever raged quit on you before, Nick?

01:27:23.000 Never.

01:27:24.000 Never.

America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - May 03, 2018

Nick Fuentes vs. Arthur Schaper

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