00:01:09.000If not from God, from what authority do you get that?
00:01:11.000You use a combination of a priori reasoning and then you select whichever philosopher you feel like most directly aligns with your personal view of the world.
00:01:33.000Although I will, it's very hard not to comment on the irony here of a path.
00:01:36.000Talking to me about the evil in child porn, when not only the Catholic institution has been involved in the abuse of numerous children, it's also been revealed that the highest levels of Catholic leadership have defended the actual molestation and rape of so many little boys.
00:01:51.000So it's very interesting that as a Catholic, you come to me pretending you have moral authority when those scandals have ravaged the Catholic Church throughout its entire history, Nick.
00:01:59.000Yeah, except the difference is the Catholics believe that pedophiles go to hell.
00:03:13.000I get called white nationalist, neo Nazi.
00:03:16.000Take your pick at the variety of things, but there's just no substantive evidence to prove this.
00:03:21.000I think it's funny how, and he said this and everybody noticed it.
00:03:25.000Of course, people like myself, we can extrapolate out from what I say, for example, observing racial differences in IQ or whatever, that the logical conclusion is neo Nazi violence.
00:03:38.000But when it comes to, well, how we can deal with pedophiles, well, we don't know what's in their heart.
00:03:42.000We don't know if they're going to act on it.
00:03:44.000If they're just quietly being pedophiles over there, who really cares?
00:03:48.000And moreover, we look at Destiny's own past, and he can bring up and deflect and divert to the Catholic Church and the problems that are there.
00:03:55.000But we all know what Destiny has said about these issues.
00:03:58.000So I think we could just as easily say if we're going to talk about extrapolation and violence against people doing harm, don't you look at a person who seems to not really have an issue with this kind of stuff, who has a pretty sordid past with these kind of stories?
00:04:11.000Can't we extrapolate out, well, pedophile, Destiny must be a pedophile.
00:04:15.000We have to do some kind of violence against him.
00:04:18.000So I think it's just very interesting the double standards.
00:04:24.000Now, well, I mean, that was sort of the point I was trying to make.
00:04:27.000You know, Destiny sort of weaseled out of.
00:04:30.000Having to answer that one, but you know, the fact that he doesn't immediately see that child pornography is an ethical violation in and of itself is sort of, you know, we could extrapolate the same thing about him.
00:06:33.000Imagine unironically taking naturalistic arguments for how humans ought to act in society and thinking you can actually have intelligent conversations about morality while also conceding that all of it comes from a fucking book.
00:07:56.000You should try to get some help from him so that you could be a little bit more of a relevant voice on the internet rather than the last hour call in to desperation.
00:08:01.000When everybody else is talking about it.
00:08:36.000No, I don't need you slipping into my DMs, Nick.
00:08:38.000I don't know what kind of weird Catholic shit you've got going on.
00:08:41.000I don't know if you're going to try to Milo Yiannopoulos me on fucking DMs there or some shit.
00:08:44.000This pedophile guy keeps saying that somebody should hit you or something, talking really tough after you kind of got blown out of that debate last night.
00:10:22.000You accused me of being really inconsistent in my arguments, and then when I asked you what kind of inconsistent arguments I'd platformed, you.
00:10:26.000Yeah, I don't recall you asking that question, but I could share with you.
00:10:44.000Real quick, though, I do have a question for Nick specifically because there was one part of the thing I saw that didn't really get expounded upon.
00:10:51.000One of the things in your opening statements was that you stated that many people in online right wing groups generally have a low tolerance for talk of enacting physical violence.
00:11:02.000What do you think about Destiny being uncomfortable with it but seeming to tolerate that in his own circles?
00:11:20.000It was whether or not there was something intrinsic to right wing ideology about violence.
00:11:24.000And if you watch my show every night, not only do we not advocate for violence, we actually explicitly advocate against violence every night.
00:11:31.000And after the Christchurch shooting, I said, and it's like every night, I say, no violence.
00:11:37.000We're trying to get involved in political campaigns and things like that.
00:11:40.000So it's just hilarious to me that Destiny and Hassan try to make this case that, oh, the right wing is inherently, we can extrapolate.
00:11:47.000We can always, the logical conclusion, in my opinion, of this ideology is violence.
00:11:52.000And therefore, the solution is deplatforming.
00:11:55.000And what does he come on here today and say?
00:11:57.000He says that, well, people are doing harm, and we can say that Nick Fuentes is a neo Nazi, and therefore, We should have violence against him.
00:12:15.000So, first of all, this idea that it's like, I guess it really plays well to the audience to pretend that you're against all violence is like a really stupid position.
00:12:22.000Nobody, ironically or unironically, defends this position.
00:12:25.000Obviously, there are forms of violence that can be justified.
00:12:38.000We agree that we can take defensive measures.
00:12:40.000Generally, everyone in here probably agrees with the concept of self defense.
00:12:43.000I'm merely expanding that to a political realm.
00:12:44.000If you feel like your existence is threatened in the United States, then there are people that definitely feel like they can take defensive actions against it.
00:12:50.000I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with that.
00:12:52.000If you can justify your position morally, then it is what it is.
00:12:56.000Yeah, but the problem with that is, again, anybody can justify their own violence.
00:13:00.000I'm sure the Christchurch people can justify their own violence.
00:13:03.000Well, then I guess it's up to us to try to justify their own violence.
00:13:05.000Yeah, but that's why the argument falls apart.
00:13:08.000But the difference is, I feel like I can justify mine.
00:13:11.000I can justify mine from a secular framework, so I feel like I can argue it to other people.
00:13:15.000That's the difference between me and you, Nick.
00:13:16.000If I want to argue against somebody, whether I think some form of violence should be good or bad, I can do it from a pretty foundational level without having to invoke any spooky spirits that live in the sky and watch me when I sleep.
00:13:25.000Whereas for me to have any conversation with you about morality or any sort of moral decisions, I have to buy into the concept of your Judeo Christian God to do it, specifically the Catholic version of Him.
00:14:42.000I'm trying to get to it if you stop interrupting me.
00:14:44.000So, again, the misdirection comes from this.
00:14:47.000I point out if we're talking about the original claim and where the misdirection occurs, the claim is about the inconsistency about violence.
00:14:54.000So I'm telling you that when you say that everybody who thinks that they're defending themselves is justified in using violence, whether that's people fighting Nazis or whether that's people fighting other people, it's justified and we justify violence all the time and whatever, which is obviously inconsistent.
00:15:10.000If what you were talking about yesterday was that Christchurch is this big problem, we have to deplatform those people.
00:15:15.000So clearly that kind of violence cannot be justified, but just you say that.
00:15:18.000All kinds of other violence can be justified based on self defense.
00:15:21.000And then you take this weird misdirection where you start talking again about morality, which is a whole other subject.
00:15:27.000Then we're talking about Judeo Christian gods and Catholicism.
00:15:54.000Because usually when I have discussions about arguments, I really like, to go through.
00:15:58.000Point by point, we can't have these five million different things.
00:16:01.000Yeah, well, how about we talk about like the point that you just brought up?
00:16:06.000Do you think that all forms of violence are identical, or do you think that there are different forms of violence that can have different justifications?
00:16:50.000So you say that, well, if I perceive that Nazis are going to visit violence upon somebody else, if I perceive that a Nazi is a threat to somebody, well, I can have violence against them.
00:17:00.000So, again, we're talking about standards here.
00:17:03.000You're talking about a non state person using violence against civilians.
00:17:08.000Whatever you want to call it, somebody who has ideas about demographics or fertility rates, this is a civilian person.
00:17:15.000So, you're saying I can act unilaterally against civilians using violence preemptively if I feel threatened.
00:17:22.000I'm sorry, are you saying that you can't do that?
00:17:24.000That in principle is no different than what white nationalist violence is.
00:17:43.000Um, this idea, like, you use a lot of words that even you don't agree with.
00:17:46.000You're saying, well, this is horrible that a non state actor, civilian, can unilaterally enact violence preemptively against another person.
00:17:52.000If you're in your house and you have a gun and you see somebody about to break in and kill you, of course you would take violence against them.
00:18:28.000It's disingenuous because, of course, when you're talking about somebody with political violence who doesn't advocate, Violence or anything like that.
00:18:37.000You're saying that somebody should commit violence against me, and you said that earlier when I'm over here in my home not bothering anybody.
00:18:43.000You compare that to a burglar who trespasses into your property, breaking the law, presenting immediate harm to you?
00:18:50.000I just said that you could justify forms of violence where you have a non state actor who is enacting violence unilaterally against another civilian.
00:19:00.000Now, I do believe that violence against people like you could be justified because you'd use a public platform to spread a message that would lead to violence against other people.
00:19:06.000Could you say that part again about violence being justified against me?
00:19:11.000So I think that violence can be justified against people like Nicholas Fuentes, who use their public platform to advocate for violence against other groups of people.
00:19:20.000When do I use my platform to advocate for violence?
00:19:22.000When you advocate ideas related to the Jewish question, or advocate ideas related to.
00:19:26.000How is that directly advocating violence?
00:19:30.000I mean, it's not direct advocacy in that you were telling somebody to walk out with a gun and go and kill somebody.
00:19:34.000But I mean, there's a pretty clear line between people taking on like neo Nazi esque beliefs and then trying to excise people from their country.
00:19:42.000How about the idea that white people and white culture is something that needs to be defended against other foreign invaders like Muslims that should be shot up in their mosques like the guy in New Zealand did?
00:19:50.000I think that people like that are pretty demonstrably coming from the types of ideology that people like you spread.
00:20:19.000How can you simultaneously attack people on the left for saying diversity is our greatest strength and then saying, well, hold on, so you admit that diversity is happening?
00:20:25.000That's not very consistent of you, Booger Nick.
00:20:27.000Well, you're telling me that a Nazi esque belief is the idea that white culture must be defended against invaders, but you yourself agree that.
00:20:34.000White culture and white people are being displaced.
00:20:36.000So I'm failing to see the distinction between the two.
00:20:38.000Well, the distinction is I don't necessarily think a demographic change is an inherent evil.
00:20:42.000I don't think that demographic change is something that requires violent action to prevent it.
00:21:13.000I don't understand how one follows from the other.
00:21:16.000So, it's trying to delegitimize the idea that the Holocaust actually happened in an effort to get people to be more critical of how Jewish people are trying to subvert Western culture in order to destroy white men, something that's so extreme that it might actually call a person to violence against these very types of people.
00:22:11.000I walk outside and I look over my neighbor's house where they say they're baking thousands of cookies, and I don't see any smoke coming out of her chimney, Nick.
00:22:23.000It's because it seems like when I watch your stream all day, you hate chocolate chip cookies, so I have a really hard time telling you that's true.
00:22:30.000Some of my favorite foods happen to be chocolate chip cookies.
00:22:33.000So I have actually never denied the Holocaust.
00:22:35.000But in any case, you know, let's say, let's take a look at what it is for itself.
00:22:40.000Questioning the validity of certain historical events to me does not seem like a violent action in itself.
00:22:46.000I mean, we could say that the American Revolution was that truly a revolution or was that a war of independence or, you know, how could we classify it?
00:22:53.000We could look at a lot of historical events and hypothesize about numbers or qualitative things, but I don't understand how that in itself makes it violence.
00:23:03.000Well, I'm not going to be able to prove that to you in a single conversation.
00:23:07.000This is something that calls for a lot more nuance.
00:23:09.000I mean, I feel really dumb because I'm explaining this to you, but I know that you know it and I know that you play to the audience really well.
00:23:13.000But it's kind of like the same thing regarding race realism, right?
00:23:16.000If a scientist wanted to talk to me about the nature of intelligence, does intelligence come from genetics or does it come from the environment?
00:23:21.000This is a very interesting question to have.
00:23:24.000Now, when the totality of somebody's platform is them advocating the destruction or the removal of black people from the United States, and then they want to talk about that question, it seems a little bit leading to me that these are the types, it's peculiar that these are the types of questions they seem to be most keen on investigating.
00:23:38.000There is a whole dearth of history that you could explore, but you seem to be very fixated on the Holocaust.
00:23:43.000And I kind of wonder why is somebody more interested in this particular piece of his history that also happens to go along with the narrative that they're pushing about removing Jewish influence from society?
00:23:51.000It really makes me wonder why that's the type of stuff.
00:24:32.000I'm really sure that if I go through all your videos, you're probably never going to explicitly call for it, huh?
00:24:36.000But man, there sure is a lot of talk about getting rid of violent demographics in the United States that are contributing to the destruction of Western culture and leading to.
00:25:03.000So I'll tell you straight in a straightforward way, because I don't believe I'm a disingenuous person.
00:25:10.000My vision for the country, and this is what I've been saying on the show for a long time, and you admitted that you don't comb through my show, you don't watch my show.
00:25:16.000I've been saying this for a long time.
00:25:18.000The demographic change in the United States and all these countries is baked in.
00:25:28.000White people are going to be a minority in the United States.
00:25:30.000And this is depending on what numbers you use.
00:25:33.000A lot of people have varying estimates.
00:25:35.000But the message on my show has never been, and therefore we have to remove people or we have to.
00:25:41.000I explicitly say how not only would those things be impractical, they would be immoral.
00:25:45.000The entire show is about if we can recognize that groups are different and we can recognize that groups are interacting with each other on an unprecedented level and scale with globalization, we're going to have to take into account some of these facts and how we govern a multiracial country as opposed to how we govern a monoracial country.
00:26:02.000I don't think you can have the same constitution that was created to govern this agrarian, colonial, British, Protestant country in 1776 as you can governing an empire from coast to coast with 13% blacks and 13% Asians.
00:26:17.000Can you give me an example of something that would have to change there?
00:26:20.000The difference between ruling over a majority white population and a diverse one?
00:26:35.000I've said, I've said, and this is one of the solutions that people have offered is perhaps you just have freedom of association, which says that if you have different groups which have different characteristics and different values and different cultures, and this necessarily creates perhaps conflict or friction, if you're able to have freedom of association and you're able to have perhaps blacks want to organize in their own neighborhood and whites want to organize in their own neighborhood, then voluntarily people could separate themselves out.
00:26:59.000And that's one solution that's been proposed.
00:27:00.000So you'd be interested in removing protected classes from the United States?
00:27:04.000The idea that it's a high-or building on it?
00:27:12.000We have integrated schools, and you have, for example, private schools.
00:27:16.000You can move to another neighborhood and go to a different school, or you can send your kid to a private school, can you not?
00:27:20.000Sure, you can, but you can't look at an entire community and say that, well, this community is going to be for this people, and we want to have a vision for this community.
00:27:27.000Basically, so you do want to remove protected classes.
00:27:30.000You want to say you should be able to build a city and say, like, no black people allowed.
00:27:37.000I don't know why you can't answer that question.
00:27:39.000Do you think that you should be able to build a city and discriminate against a certain kind of people, so like gay people or black people, for moving to that city?
00:27:57.000It was slippery because earlier you said you didn't want to remove protected classes, but now that I've pushed you a little bit on the issue, now you admit you do want to remove protected classes.
00:28:03.000You think that a business owner should be able to say, you can't work here because you're black, because you're a woman?
00:28:07.000Are they going to come after the gamers next, Nick?
00:28:17.000Okay, so if somebody made an all white city where all whites can work, you think that a black Person should be able to go over there and try to get a job and they should be allowed to work in that city?
00:28:33.000What if all the people in that city were opposed to that because they built their beautiful white Nicholas Fuentes white approved neighborhood and now they've got black people in the Mexicans driving over commuting to work in it?
00:28:42.000You don't think that would impact the people of that community a little bit?
00:29:05.000No, I hope you understand that I'm being sincere here because this is something that, again, this is something I talk about on the show every day.
00:29:11.000There are no easy answers to this problem.
00:29:14.000The show is about acknowledging that we are going to face challenges moving ahead with this demographic change.
00:29:21.000And unless we can talk about the potential challenges, the potential downsides of what's going to happen, It is impossible to gauge what kind of a solution there is.
00:29:29.000For example, if I even posit that we have freedom of association, and you're right, I think there are some issues with that.
00:29:36.000I don't think that's a perfect solution, and it might not even work out legally.
00:29:41.000But even an example like that, where I say, well, here's a possible thing that has been discussed among people like Jared Taylor, among others, immediately it's, so you want to create this all white, beautiful neighborhood and exclude black people.
00:29:52.000And do you see how quickly it jumps to that?
00:30:12.000Of course not, because we have to be very careful that we say.
00:30:14.000But realistically, if we look at the status of capital that exists in the United States, where most of the wealth and the money is, we know who are going to create these types of neighborhoods.
00:30:21.000It's not going to be black people en masse moving out to wealthy neighborhoods and creating their own neighborhoods.
00:31:11.000So, this is again what I talk about on the show, which is demographic change is going to cause problems.
00:31:17.000You don't have to be a white nationalist to believe that you may even still be in favor of demographic change in spite of the challenges that it presents.
00:31:24.000But the problem is that in society, people who present these challenges or acknowledge them or discuss them, they're shut out, they're deplatformed, whatever.
00:31:32.000And we're not going to be able to address them in a coherent and optimal way if we're not able to discuss the kinds of problems.
00:31:39.000And I think this is what the debate was about the Christchurch shooter.
00:31:49.000We'll see if this multiracial, you know, whatever empire works out in the next 25 years when you've got Israelis and Palestinians and Hindus and Pakistanis and all these different groups working together, fighting for the same resources and services.
00:32:29.000Wait, so if there are any problems that exist in a city, damn, you must really fucking hate white people then because holy fuck, we shoot up a fuck ton of method shit all over the fucking Midwest.
00:32:41.000I understand that no other person in the world, if you were to say, like, do you think that places like San Francisco are like the tech capital of the world, are very successful places?
00:33:24.000Because the difference between me and you is that at the end of the day, I don't say, hey, you know, diversity has problems.
00:33:29.000I'm not really comfortable with interracial couples being shown in movies, right?
00:33:34.000My prescription is generally more, hey, diversity does have problems.
00:33:36.000Let's figure out ways where we can all get along with each other so that we can live in a wonderful world, a world that could be so great that even a man with the last name Fuentes could delude himself into thinking he would qualify for the very white ethno state that he advocates for.
00:33:48.000Yeah, I don't advocate for a white ethno state.
00:36:23.000I did a show about this called What's the Deal with Mixed Marriages or something on America First.
00:36:29.000And I did a whole 60 minutes saying, laying out the data, laying out the case, because my ideology has always been centered around the family.
00:36:36.000This is why I'm not a neoliberal individualist.
00:36:38.000I believe that you've got to have strong men, you've got to have good women.
00:36:42.000You got to have children, and the marriages have to be strong and healthy.
00:36:45.000And so, my only opposition to interracial relationships comes from the fact that it is not the most conducive pairing that you can have to have children that are going to have the best possible upbringing.
00:36:55.000So, I think there's all kinds of things which people should not, if there's incompatibility, that people should not get married.
00:37:01.000If people have different religions, if people have different political ideologies, it should be based on compatibility before anything else.
00:37:20.000So, you think that the status of interracial relationships today in America would be looked down upon the same way that they would 100 years ago?
00:37:28.000Okay, so then it sounds to me like we could, as a prescriptive action for society, say, hey, we ought to be a little bit more endearing towards interracial relationships, like the ones that produced both you and me, Booger Nick.
00:37:38.000Maybe we should be a little bit more kind to those, and maybe the outcomes will be better.
00:37:40.000Because, as you argued earlier, when we isolate and demonize certain groups of people, sometimes they end up being shitty people or bad outcomes are a result of that.
00:37:48.000What's the problem with that thinking, pedophile Steve?
00:37:49.000The problem with that thinking is that it presupposes that all of these issues derive from discrimination, prejudice, bigotry.
00:37:56.000Could it simply be that interracial relationships don't work because different races might not just, they simply might not be compatible because they come from different cultures, because there is such a stark racial divide in the country?
00:38:21.000If there even is mixing, we can say that these sorts of racial differences will be so small and so mitigated that it won't cause issues with compatibility.
00:38:28.000But as it stands right now, and we live in the present time, we find that these relationships don't work out.
00:38:34.000So I would be hard pressed to look at a child who's a child of divorce, and the divorce could have been avoided if you found a more compatible partner and say, well, you know, we were just trying to change society, man.
00:38:43.000We were just trying to, we had this prescriptive thing where we were trying to make racial attitudes better, and now your parents are divorced.
00:39:10.000The rates are probably the rates might be worse for interracial things, but to go ahead and jump on the train and say that's due to some biological or genetic incompatibility.
00:40:57.000So what I'm trying to explain here is, and you keep derailing it with, again, all these straw men arguments, all these derailing interactions.
00:41:04.000You are, and again, with the interruptions, derailing.
00:41:07.000When you're talking about interracial, for example, in America, a black person, let's say a black person in a relationship with a white person, it's obviously they're coming from different races.
00:41:16.000Do you deny that different races in America have different cultures?
00:41:21.000You know, for example, people from a different country, from a different race, have a different culture than people in America, or if they're raised in a different home.
00:42:54.000Now, do you mean people that live in rural areas, maybe?
00:42:56.000When you say Southerner, I don't know, Nick.
00:42:57.000It's really hard when people like you try to say, Everybody of a certain race acts a certain way, or everybody of a certain country, everybody of a certain.
00:43:11.000When Booger Nick says two people of different races shouldn't date because they tend to have different cultures, how could he possibly imply that there are intrinsic differences between these people of different races?
00:44:19.000I mean, it just seems like a bad thing.
00:44:20.000When you're willing to tell me right now that there are white.
00:44:23.000Wait, you acknowledge that a lot of Asians, even specific Asians, like a lot of Korean Americans or a lot of Vietnamese Americans, are different from one another, right?
00:45:13.000If you watch my stream, I hang out with plenty of.
00:45:15.000Korean girls all the fucking time that live in LA.
00:45:18.000These are people that I share a lot in common with.
00:45:19.000There are also some LA white girls that I hang out with, but I would need way more information to know if I have more in common with an LA Korean girl or an LA white girl because just that information alone tells me literally fuck all about the person.
00:45:29.000Yeah, we're all, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
00:45:42.000So here's the problem is that identity is something that is complex and we have identities which have different degrees of salience.
00:45:48.000And you yourself said this earlier on the stream.
00:45:49.000You said that identity is a complex thing.
00:45:52.000And so, for you to say that, well, you know, the idea that perhaps a black person, a white person having less compatibility than a white person and a white person, I think it's basically annoying, or rather ignoring, the fundamental assumption, which is that we have sort of these degrees of compatibility.
00:46:08.000For example, you would say that an Italian and a Spanish person come from two different countries, right?
00:46:16.000But these are both Mediterranean, Catholic, European countries, right?
00:46:19.000You would probably say that while Italians and Spanish are different, you would say that an Italian and a Spanish person are more alike than an Italian and somebody from China, somebody born and raised in China.
00:46:31.000Because, you know, again, you can look at a number of different factors, but I think we could both agree that we could assume that on average, unless we're talking about an individual and we have all the information, this person in China happens really like video games and like they speak English and they like music or something.
00:46:44.000Wait, did you really just talk this long to tell me that somebody born and raised in China is going to be a lot different than somebody born and raised in America?
00:46:50.000Yeah, because clearly you don't understand.
00:46:52.000Do you think I'm going to disagree with this, Nick?
00:46:54.000Clearly, you don't understand this concept because you did not understand it.
00:47:49.000You're making my argument beautifully for me.
00:47:51.000In order to know if a Chinese person is a lot different than you, looking at maybe where they're born is a really important way to determine that because just knowing their race doesn't tell you that much information.
00:48:00.000I totally agree with your argument, Nick.
00:48:08.000Clearly, do we have anything else, Ralph, or can we actually move on to other callers rather than some guy trying to leech a couple of followers for me?
00:48:42.000I said the last time I wasn't going to debate this guy when he came out with a bullshit statistic, and that was the first argument that he made.
00:48:48.000He spent a whole month compiling a Google Doc, and the first argument he makes in the second debate is based on a lie.
00:48:53.000I said, I'm never debating this guy again.
00:48:59.000The Hunter Seller Immigration Act was the will of the people because he claims that he has some divine knowledge about what people actually.
00:49:05.000I don't want to go into all these arguments again.
00:49:58.000It's kind of hilarious how it's always the deflection, but I mean, everybody knows that you are a pedophile and you do support child pornography.
00:50:03.000Man, it's so strange that all those calls to the FBI, all those internet hit pieces, man, and for some reason they still didn't catch me, Nick.
00:50:16.000All of those arguments that I made against actually having sex with minors, maybe all those arguments that I made, I guess you extrapolated from that.
00:50:23.000And administering ethical child porn in your era, you're giving this immunity to pedophiles, but you want not to.