America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - Nick Fuentes vs. Halsey II

00:00:00.000 Have a look at him.

00:00:01.000 Now we have our two guests joining us right on time, Alze and Nick Fruentes.

00:00:09.000 How are you doing?

00:00:11.000 Can't complain.

00:00:12.000 I can.

00:00:13.000 I can complain a lot.

00:00:16.000 I don't know if you've been watching, but I've been having real difficulty with my internet, so I didn't even get to do my show today.

00:00:22.000 That's sad.

00:00:22.000 Oh, really?

00:00:24.000 I'm not happy.

00:00:25.000 So I'm not a happy camper right now, but I'm excited to be on with you, excited to be here for the conversation.

00:00:33.000 Now, I'm sorry to you two, my windows were not prepared, so I'm just going to take a little time to adjust my windows so that the crowd can see you both.

00:00:42.000 While I do that, Alze, can you explain to me the context of this debate and what we would be talking about?

00:00:50.000 It's not as much a debate as I saw Nick's speech at the American Renaissance Conference about the differences between Generation Z and the baby boomer generation.

00:01:00.000 And I happen to see a lot of similarities between the two.

00:01:04.000 Not necessarily bad similarities, but I see a lot of similarities between the two, especially when you start with the beginning of the baby boomer generation to the end of it.

00:01:13.000 It says that, like most sources say, social scientists say that the beginning of the baby boomer generation were largely Democrats, and the end of the generation were largely Republicans.

00:01:23.000 They started to return to religion, they started to return to tradition, they started railing against things like abortion, homosexuality, things that would be considered non traditional.

00:01:34.000 And I see the same thing in Generation Z in that you have this movement from the ultra liberal millennials into a much more conservative base of Generation Z. 0.50

00:01:44.000 And I see this kind of coinciding with Trump and Reagan in that the baby boomers pretty much brought Reagan about after Carter.

00:01:52.000 And we've basically brought Trump about. 0.57

00:01:54.000 I'm not Generation Z or a boomer, I'm actually Gen X.

00:01:57.000 But, you know, we saw Trump be brought about because of Obama.

00:02:01.000 And I wanted to talk to Nick about it because, I mean, you could see I've been on maybe 10 streams.

00:02:05.000 Lately, where I've done nothing but praise the speech.

00:02:08.000 I think it was a phenomenal speech.

00:02:10.000 And I'd like to see what Nick thinks about these things.

00:02:12.000 So.

00:02:14.000 Well, thank you, Halsey.

00:02:15.000 I was, you know, I think to the surprise probably of the audience, I think we have grown pretty friendly compared to when we were on originally.

00:02:23.000 It was pretty hostile.

00:02:25.000 If I recall the first couple of exchanges, it was less than pleasant.

00:02:29.000 But no, I think we've simmered down.

00:02:33.000 And ironically, after all the, you know, E drama and everything, you'd think like the last two people to bring about like a civil conversation would be us, but here we are.

00:02:43.000 But I appreciate that.

00:02:44.000 I appreciate the compliments about the speech. 1.00

00:02:46.000 And, you know, I tend to agree with you just about the boomers in general that I think a lot of people lay the problems at the feet of the boomers and they say, oh, you know, they're the cause of everything. 0.94

00:02:58.000 And I said very explicitly in my speech that I don't think you can totally blame the boomers in that we are all to a degree subject to the forces of history in the sense that. 0.86

00:03:10.000 You know, the boomers were raised by a generation. 0.62

00:03:12.000 The boomers were subject to forces beyond their control, whether that be technological, social, historical, cultural, and otherwise.

00:03:20.000 You know, I don't think you could totally blame, for example, boomers for feminism when at the same time you had all kinds of labor saving devices introduced to the home, you know, like you had in the 1950s and you had birth control and contraception and all the rest.

00:03:34.000 So you see those kinds of trends, and it's not totally surprising that you saw an ascendant feminist coalition. 0.55

00:03:42.000 So I don't totally blame them so much as I blame these kinds of trends that went on. 0.98

00:03:47.000 And we maybe learned from their mistakes.

00:03:49.000 We learned some from the areas where maybe they were blindsided or they were bad stewards.

00:03:54.000 And so, you know, I would slightly push back on the idea that Trump would be comparable to Reagan. 0.62

00:04:00.000 And one of the things I talked about in the speech was, you know, a lot of people, a lot of defenders of the boomers, if there are any, they'll say, well, the boomers didn't cause the present problem because the 1965 Immigration Act passed when the last boomers were being born, right? 0.61

00:04:15.000 I mean, the last boomers, I think, was 1964, was the last year that you could qualify as boomers. 0.54

00:04:21.000 And so, you know, they couldn't really be passing the Immigration Act. 0.89

00:04:24.000 The oldest ones wouldn't have even been.

00:04:25.000 They would have been, what, 15, 20 years old, actually?

00:04:28.000 They wouldn't be in Congress passing it or even voting on it, for that matter, a lot of them.

00:04:33.000 But, and I pointed out in the speech, the big problem was not the Immigration Act being passed, it was not a lot of these trends that started to gain traction a long time before.

00:04:43.000 And you could go as far back as the 20s, and even before then, you saw a lot of these trends begin.

00:04:48.000 But I said in the speech very, very clearly, the problem was that they fell asleep at the wheel in the 80s, the 90s, the 2000s.

00:04:55.000 Once things started to change in a very bad direction, once you saw Socially and demographically, a lot of these nasty and ugly and evil things going on.

00:05:06.000 I think the boomers were far more concerned with material wealth, with themselves, and in this kind of freewheeling attitude than they were with how do we maintain civilization.

00:05:17.000 And again, that's not to say every boomer's a bad person, they're bad people. 0.63

00:05:21.000 Like they did that deliberately.

00:05:23.000 I think it's, you know, it's kind of hard to assign blame when you're talking about a big generation, these big trends. 0.98

00:05:29.000 But I do think that's why we say, The boomer generation has been a disaster, whether it's their fault or not their fault. 0.90

00:05:35.000 I mean, that is a generation that basically let it go when it started to get really bad. 0.96

00:05:40.000 So, that was really my main gripe with the boomers. 0.99

00:05:43.000 So, I had seen it. 0.63

00:05:45.000 I'm pretty surprised as a host because last time I saw Nick and Alze, Nick pulled a knife on Alze and called him a fat boomer.

00:05:54.000 His discourse has unradicalized so fast, it's quite impressive. 0.70

00:05:59.000 But go ahead, Alze. 0.70

00:06:01.000 So, I mean, I noticed that. 0.99

00:06:03.000 When you look at the beginning of the boomer generation, and even right up almost until 1964, the defining events of that time were Cold War events.

00:06:12.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:06:13.000 They were the Cuban Missile Crisis.

00:06:14.000 They were the idea that communism was going to either win or at least remain at parity with democracy.

00:06:21.000 And I've been looking into the 65, obviously, from all my debates, and it gets thrown in my face so often.

00:06:27.000 I've been looking into it quite a bit.

00:06:28.000 And you have to look at the kind of intention.

00:06:31.000 The intention was that America was this amazing place.

00:06:34.000 With unlimited resources, and communism was this horrible place which was dreary and evil and going to kill off the entire planet. 0.98

00:06:41.000 So, the idea was that you could bring these people, especially like the kind of higher class people, into America to make America even better because our immigration policies were so lax and the Soviet unions were so strong. 0.93

00:06:52.000 You know, it was almost like yin and yang. 0.67

00:06:55.000 And then it somehow got exploited as it was going on for political purposes.

00:07:01.000 You know, like we can import voters, we can import labor.

00:07:04.000 We can import all of the things that we don't like. 0.92

00:07:06.000 And I put this right at the boomer's feet as well.

00:07:08.000 Because in the 80s, with Reagan, greed was good.

00:07:12.000 It didn't matter what was going on as long as it increased the bottom line.

00:07:12.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:07:17.000 And Reagan had other things on his mind.

00:07:19.000 He wanted a good economy, but he wanted to defeat the Soviet Union.

00:07:23.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.79

00:07:24.000 That was going to be his mark.

00:07:25.000 And I think he made that clear from the beginning.

00:07:27.000 And I mean, he cucked on a lot of things.

00:07:29.000 He cucked on abortion, he cucked on a lot of family policies that he had really ran on that he saw were a disaster in California when he was governor.

00:07:38.000 And now we had Obama, who I think was 10 times worse than Carter could have pretty much ever been. 0.60

00:07:44.000 And now we've got Trump, and we're laying a lot at the millennials' feet now.

00:07:49.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.99

00:07:50.000 Like, we're saying the millennials are fucking things up bad. 0.99

00:07:53.000 They brought on Obama there for open borders. 0.98

00:07:55.000 They actually want to be Europe in a sense, even though they're oblivious to what's going on in Europe.

00:08:01.000 But I also see Generation Z as taking this sharp right turn, but in a much more logical way.

00:08:08.000 As long as I don't read the chat.

00:08:09.000 If I read the chat, then I fear for the future.

00:08:12.000 But you know what I'm saying?

00:08:14.000 As long as I see what's going on, and I mean, I lecture at colleges and stuff sometimes, and we talk about these things about the rise of conservative values, the return to religion, the return to families, the return to children, the return to owning property. 0.77

00:08:27.000 Which was something people always say to me, you know, white people discovered America.

00:08:30.000 I actually say that they're not right.

00:08:31.000 It was white landowning fathers that discovered America, that built America into what it was. 0.85

00:08:36.000 They had something to lose. 0.96

00:08:38.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:08:39.000 When you're willing to go to war for your kids and war for your land, it means something.

00:08:44.000 And I saw this parallel and I was like, is Nick just missing the point a little bit?

00:08:48.000 And you kind of got there anyway.

00:08:50.000 So that's why I was like, I got to have a talk with him about this and just see what are your opinions on what's next?

00:08:55.000 Oh, yeah.

00:08:56.000 Well, that's a great question in terms of Generation Z.

00:08:59.000 It's tough to say because, you know, at once you can look at a lot of the numbers, and I pointed that out in the speeches.

00:09:06.000 You can look at a lot of the numbers in terms of it is, they are liberal.

00:09:11.000 You know, you look at Generation Z, and it is liberal in terms of on homosexuality, abortion, the social issues, which I think are a pretty good barometer, a pretty good gauge of where they're at.

00:09:21.000 And they are liberal.

00:09:22.000 You know, they're about as liberal as millennials.

00:09:25.000 But if you look at similar numbers, it says they're less enthusiastic about these things.

00:09:29.000 And so, kind of, where do you go with that?

00:09:30.000 Because once you have, Numbers that say that church attendance is back up, that they believe in they're having a lot less casual sex, a lot less drug use than previous generations, and all the rest.

00:09:42.000 So you have these kind of two ideas where, at once, they're kind of as liberal, they're in a very liberal system, and you just talk to a lot of them, and it can be disappointing.

00:09:50.000 But then you look at the numbers and some other numbers, and it says they're traditional.

00:09:54.000 And I think it's kind of, I got to be honest, I think it's kind of a toss up because I know that there are a lot of Generation Z people, and I hope that's not a cop out, but. 0.99

00:10:03.000 There are a lot of Generation Z people who I believe are intuitively and instinctively pining for what you're talking about in terms of, and you're so on the money in terms of the people that founded the country being white Christian landowning fathers who came here and they had something to lose and they went to war for it and they put down their roots because it's so true. 0.74

00:10:24.000 It's about responsibility. 0.82

00:10:25.000 It's about tradition.

00:10:26.000 It's about all those actually conservative things, actually right wing things, as opposed to like, you know, drag queens at free speech rallies, actual conservative right wing things.

00:10:36.000 And I think that Generation Z, as somebody of the generation and knowing lots of people in it, all my peers are Generation Z and younger, and a lot of people that watch my show are Generation Z and around that high school and college age, they are pining for that old world in ways where they look at, for example, hookup culture.

00:10:57.000 And that's something that I brought up in the speech, where very instinctively people understand there's something wrong with shallow, carnal relationships that are ubiquitous in this day and age, where it's You know, beep, beep, boop.

00:11:09.000 You find somebody on Tinder and then you meet up and you do whatever.

00:11:13.000 And there's something missing there.

00:11:14.000 There's nothing, there's something not quite right there.

00:11:17.000 You know, people will look at their lives where they go to college and they go on to work.

00:11:21.000 And for example, a lot of women don't get encouraged to start families. 0.95

00:11:24.000 And a lot of men can't start families because the women are not into that.

00:11:28.000 And, you know, the cost of housing and all the rest is crazy. 0.99

00:11:31.000 And college is crazy.

00:11:32.000 And wages are stagnating.

00:11:34.000 And you look at people that are coming up in this system and they're depressed, they're sad.

00:11:38.000 And so they turn to drugs and alcohol.

00:11:40.000 And a lot of that is an expression of, I think, like a God sized hole in people's lives, that they're missing the fundamental parts there.

00:11:47.000 And so I think it remains to be seen how that plays out in the future.

00:11:51.000 I think that's kind of what comes next is how is this reconciled?

00:11:54.000 Are people able?

00:11:56.000 Are we able to rebuild those kinds of social structures, social institutions, social norms, those kinds of things that society is built on?

00:12:07.000 Are we able to bring back those traditions and can Generation Z reassert them?

00:12:11.000 Or will it just be kind of an aimless, wandering, surrealist generation?

00:12:17.000 It's kind of tough and it remains to be seen.

00:12:19.000 I think a lot of it is political, a lot of it is cultural, but.

00:12:23.000 You know, it's pretty tough to say one way or the other because, as you know, there is cultural domination by people who want to see it go in the wrong direction.

00:12:31.000 You know, the people that are coming up nowadays are watching television movies brought up by teachers in primary, high school, and college who have very warped views.

00:12:40.000 The music industry is controlled by these people.

00:12:43.000 And so, at once, you have all these people being brought up in a system by other people that want to see them go down the wrong path, which is towards degeneracy, towards hedonism, towards.

00:12:54.000 The path we've been on for a long time.

00:12:56.000 And at the same time, there's this natural, I think, resistance to this that is building.

00:13:00.000 And you see it in the milquetoast, like campus conservatism.

00:13:04.000 I think you see it maybe most prominently in a guy like Jordan Peterson, who is at the most basic level expressing some kind of a father figure sentiment, like, hey, take responsibility, clean your room.

00:13:15.000 And people are, they go bananas.

00:13:17.000 They pay $160 to see him in theaters.

00:13:19.000 They support him on Patreon.

00:13:21.000 He's making a million dollars a year.

00:13:22.000 So I think that the institutional forces are against us, but I think that the people are with us.

00:13:27.000 The feeling is there.

00:13:29.000 And it'll be a battle.

00:13:30.000 We'll see who wins, right? 0.60

00:13:31.000 So, from the beginning of the conversation, it seems that you two have agreed on the role of the boomer generation on the symptoms, if you will, the political symptoms, the openness to immigration, the lack of identity.

00:13:44.000 But, Aze, do you follow Nick in concluding that the source of all of these symptoms, or a large part of these symptoms, is essentially the abandonment of God? 0.89

00:13:56.000 Well, first of all, I absolutely agree with that, 100%.

00:14:00.000 But there was a reason. 1.00

00:14:03.000 Call it Talmudic trickery, if you will. 1.00

00:14:04.000 There was a reason that I really wanted to discuss this with Nick because it was my discussion with Nick in the first place that had me actually looking into this.

00:14:12.000 I don't like it when people throw a statistic in my face and I don't really have enough information to either counter it or agree.

00:14:19.000 And we were talking about leaders in the different religious communities, in the Catholic community, in the Jewish community, in the Protestant community.

00:14:25.000 And we were talking about all of that.

00:14:26.000 And I said my opinions, but I didn't have the full story on what was going on.

00:14:33.000 And I started looking into it a little more, and I started noticing the trend when I was looking at all of the social science statistics.

00:14:39.000 The leaders of the Jewish community, the leaders of the Catholic community, the leaders of, minus the evangelicals, the entire Protestant community, are very leftist.

00:14:51.000 But the adherents are becoming further rightists.

00:14:54.000 The people who are leading the churches themselves won't give communion to people who support abortion.

00:15:01.000 Whereas, you know, the Pope has kind of backed off on it.

00:15:05.000 The immigration debate is raging in the Catholic churches.

00:15:08.000 They do not want open borders.

00:15:09.000 They see open borders as a threat to the Catholic Church in both Europe and here. 0.89

00:15:14.000 The Jewish leaders, while the vast majority of the vocal out there leaders are incredibly liberal, they're open borders freaks. 0.91

00:15:23.000 But when you look at the more religious local communities, these are people that are rated at 93% support for President Trump and 92% support for closed borders. 0.99

00:15:35.000 You know, and I'm looking into this more and more, and I'm noticing the congregations are getting younger.

00:15:41.000 You know, the people who used to go to church and used to follow blindly aren't going anymore.

00:15:46.000 They've either decided they've had their fill or that they've learned enough or it's not for them.

00:15:50.000 But the younger generations are rejecting that and they're rejecting that en masse.

00:15:54.000 Private school attendance is way up.

00:15:59.000 And I mean religious private school.

00:16:01.000 And they're accepting diktats that people haven't accepted for 30 years, like that women will not wear pants to school. 0.98

00:16:07.000 They'll wear skirts. 0.96

00:16:08.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:16:09.000 That they're not going to wear shirts that don't cover their elbows.

00:16:14.000 This is becoming a thing again.

00:16:16.000 And it's happening organically.

00:16:19.000 I'm noticing it more and more and more.

00:16:21.000 And that's why I wanted to ask Nick, like, what are you seeing from the other side?

00:16:24.000 Because I obviously see it from the Orthodox Jewish side.

00:16:26.000 So I don't see it from the Christian side. 0.87

00:16:28.000 So what do you see with those type of things?

00:16:32.000 Yeah, well, I think religion, it's no secret, I believe, that religion is fundamental to this kind of conservative or traditional revival.

00:16:40.000 Because I know a lot of people that are conservative, right wing people.

00:16:44.000 And without God, I don't really see the motivation in them or even.

00:16:49.000 In a coherent way for their own ideology to really make things happen.

00:16:52.000 And so I believe religion is fundamental.

00:16:54.000 I think Christianity, Catholicism in particular, is fundamental to that.

00:16:58.000 And I'll say that you're basically right in terms of the leadership is at a very different place than the people. 0.63

00:17:04.000 And the Catholic Church is probably the most visible example of this, you know, because unlike the Jews and unlike the Protestants, the Catholic Church is very explicitly and very visibly hierarchical.

00:17:17.000 You know, unlike the Protestants, we have a guy. 0.86

00:17:20.000 Wears the big hat and makes the rules. 1.00

00:17:22.000 You know, well, he doesn't make the rules, but you know what I mean by this.

00:17:24.000 You know, he's the vicar of Christ on earth and all of that.

00:17:28.000 And it's very telling because, of course, he is, by all intents and purposes, a left leaning pope in terms of his politics.

00:17:36.000 He talks about openness for migrants and he has been relatively liberal.

00:17:42.000 I say relatively because, you know, people say, oh, he's for homosexuality, he's for abortion.

00:17:47.000 The doctrine hasn't changed and I don't think it will.

00:17:50.000 But he's expressed some more sympathetic things, borderline heretical things, which are problematic, which that's a whole other rabbit hole.

00:17:57.000 But while he's been over here, over on the left, you see that a lot of the Catholics that are coming up, the young Catholics that I talk to on Twitter, you know, the most radical, well, I shouldn't even say radical, maybe just the most common sense traditional Orthodox Catholics, they're not old guys.

00:18:12.000 They're not like bearded, you know, fuddy duddy old geezers.

00:18:16.000 They're young guys.

00:18:17.000 They're in their 20s.

00:18:19.000 And they're in Europe and they're in America.

00:18:21.000 And so.

00:18:22.000 I don't know if this is symptomatic of the rest of the population, but certainly I think that there is definitely something going on.

00:18:30.000 I think the internet is a part of it, maybe, because we can communicate these ideas.

00:18:33.000 Where before, if your teacher wasn't teaching it to you, if you were like a Gen X person, for example, or an older millennial, if you're growing up and you're coming of age in school and you're not being exposed to Aquinas and Augustine and like traditionalist Catholic literature, you're not going to search that out unless you're like some kind of a weird nerd or something.

00:18:53.000 But if you're online, you do get exposed to that.

00:18:55.000 So I think that's a part of it.

00:18:56.000 But it's definitely coming back in a big way.

00:18:58.000 And I think religious people are getting fed up because, you know, the whole point, the draw of religion, the appeal, the utility of religion is in its tradition, is in its orthodoxy.

00:19:09.000 I mean, the whole point of having a church is to resist the tide of modernism and change and dynamism and all of that and progress.

00:19:17.000 And because we don't really like progress, to be honest, we don't really even believe in it.

00:19:21.000 And so when people don't get that from their church, when people don't get this, From a very changing, chaotic, surrealist, and meaningless world, they get upset.

00:19:31.000 And I think that's what's happening.

00:19:32.000 I think you see a big pushback from people who say, you know, we came to the church not to hear this crap about how, you know, oh, actually everybody's cool. 0.93

00:19:40.000 We should tolerate degeneracy and all the rest. 0.52

00:19:42.000 Like we came to hear how we're going to get to heaven, how we're going to get saved, how we can please God and all the rest.

00:19:49.000 And so I think it's happening.

00:19:52.000 It's tough to say, though, because I am in a bubble.

00:19:54.000 So from my perspective, you say, How do I see it from my side?

00:19:58.000 I see a rise of a conservatism that's happening, but it's tough to say how universal that'll be in the future, if that'll pick up steam.

00:20:06.000 A lot of potential, but it remains to be seen how it'll play out.

00:20:09.000 So I had an odd experience.

00:20:11.000 My business partner, she's Canadian, right?

00:20:13.000 She's only like 25.

00:20:13.000 She's young too.

00:20:16.000 And she's always been very right wing, but she had a moving experience and she discovered Catholicism, you know.

00:20:22.000 And this was recently, this is only a couple months ago.

00:20:25.000 And she since has become like, I wouldn't say a zealot, but she's very, very adamant that Catholicism is the right way.

00:20:32.000 And she's like, she's joined a writing team that writes against abortion and she goes to rallies and she's always looking to help people and talk to people.

00:20:40.000 And this transformation was like amazing to watch.

00:20:43.000 There was another transformation that I also saw, and this was a result of obviously.

00:20:48.000 Gab's proliferation in the face of Twitter censorship.

00:20:53.000 And that was the conference itself, the American Renaissance conference, was Paul Nolan was supposed to be there.

00:20:59.000 And I know people blamed you for some reason for him not showing up, right?

00:21:05.000 But then I noticed what was at the American Renaissance conference.

00:21:09.000 I've watched every speech, I've seen people like Jared Taylor for years.

00:21:13.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:21:14.000 Like everybody that spoke talked solutions.

00:21:17.000 They said, where are we going from here and what can we do?

00:21:21.000 As white people or as Americans or anything.

00:21:25.000 And I've always said people confuse this that they say, when I talked to Enoch, I was against white nationalism.

00:21:30.000 And then when I talked to someone else, I said, I was a white nationalist.

00:21:33.000 I didn't say I was a white nationalist.

00:21:34.000 I said, I support white nationalism.

00:21:37.000 I wouldn't want to live in a white ethnocentric state because I don't define myself by my whiteness. 0.81

00:21:41.000 But I think it would be a good thing if it were able to come up at some point. 0.97

00:21:46.000 Right.

00:21:46.000 But I'm watching these things from American Renaissance and I'm thinking, they don't censor.

00:21:53.000 Basically, any organization except for this one organization that consistently talks solutions.

00:22:00.000 You know, Jared Taylor, I mean, he's what, probably in his 60s or 70s at this point.

00:22:04.000 He has the balls to walk into Howard University and debate someone on whether the civil rights movement was a disaster or not.

00:22:11.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.99

00:22:12.000 Like, this guy's got a pair of balls and he's doing this. 0.98

00:22:16.000 And I'm watching this and I'm going, now, how come we can't move the country in this direction? 0.97

00:22:21.000 How come it's so hard to get these messages out without.

00:22:26.000 Pissing people off because they're not so revolutionary.

00:22:29.000 They're not things that are so amazing.

00:22:31.000 And it's because of the attack on the family.

00:22:34.000 The left has consistently attacked the family from day one.

00:22:37.000 Why do you think every kid can be trans?

00:22:38.000 Every kid can be gay? 0.99

00:22:41.000 They can't get a gun or they can't join the army or they can't drive a car, but they can get hormone blocking therapy at five years old.

00:22:50.000 The attack on the family has just consistently been there.

00:22:53.000 And it's frightening to me.

00:22:56.000 But not personally, because I have a very large family.

00:23:00.000 So, you know what I'm saying?

00:23:01.000 Like, my kids go to private religious school.

00:23:03.000 Like, I mean, I would rather eat out of a trash can and pay their tuition than let them go to public school.

00:23:08.000 So, where do you see these solutions as being something that can actually happen?

00:23:14.000 That's kind of where I wanted to go with that.

00:23:17.000 Well, you know, it's tough because, of course, the institutional control is something that has eluded people of our persuasion for a long time.

00:23:17.000 Sure.

00:23:26.000 I mean, and we know, As we debated previously, which group kind of has a little bit of play in the institutions, whether it be media, Hollywood, the music industry, and all the rest.

00:23:37.000 And it's one of those things where I think it's, you know, the question is, how do we get control of those?

00:23:44.000 How do we get control of the reins there?

00:23:46.000 Because the problem is, it wants a destruction of the family, but it's also sort of the adoption of the children by the state, by the corporations.

00:23:54.000 I mean, you think about how a child was raised maybe 50 or 60 years ago, and they went to a local school, and they went to a local school for education, by the way.

00:24:02.000 They went there to learn math and reading.

00:24:05.000 They didn't go there to learn liberation theology and social justice and morals.

00:24:09.000 And they also.

00:24:09.000 We weren't in daycare most of the time either.

00:24:11.000 You know, they were raised by their parents.

00:24:13.000 And then when they went to school, it was community people and the community was involved.

00:24:18.000 They were raised by the neighbors.

00:24:19.000 It was very tight knit and all the rest, depending on where you look at in small town America.

00:24:23.000 This is broadly what it was like.

00:24:25.000 And now what you have is that children are not really raised by their parents anymore.

00:24:29.000 They're raised by the public school teachers and they're raised by the daycare people.

00:24:33.000 They're raised by the music that they listen to, the movies they watch, the entertainment and media they consume.

00:24:39.000 And so when you're thinking about How do we transform the country?

00:24:42.000 How do we change people's minds?

00:24:44.000 Well, you have to think about people.

00:24:45.000 And you have to think about how people get their ideas, how people become the way that they are.

00:24:50.000 And by and large, you know, we're a product of our childhood.

00:24:53.000 When we grow up from the time we're born until the time we're an adult, and even after when we're a little bit older through college and through into the workforce, we are basically force fed a diet that is regulated, a diet that is regulated by a very particular group of people.

00:25:08.000 You call them leftists.

00:25:10.000 Some might call them something else.

00:25:12.000 Some might call them various things.

00:25:13.000 I don't have a problem.

00:25:15.000 Saying that Jews would never say it's Jews, it's globalists, it's globalists, yeah. 0.73

00:25:20.000 Right, but I have never once stood up for the left wing Jews that are in the media. 0.79

00:25:28.000 I have a valid explanation as to why their numbers are so high, and it took a lot of research.

00:25:33.000 It took me a very long time to do the numbers and find out that the representation actually isn't such an over representation.

00:25:40.000 Is that cute?

00:25:42.000 No, but it has nothing to do.

00:25:44.000 Um, it really no, I'm not going to give the Jordan Peterson of oh, there's five traits or whatever.

00:25:49.000 The only explanation that I can give is even Andrew Anglin estimates that Jewish representation in the media is about 25%.

00:25:57.000 25% of B level jobs and higher are occupied by Jews, right? 0.55

00:26:01.000 The only way that a statistical model works where you say 2% of the population makes up 25% of the media is if the media is logically spread evenly throughout the entire country. 0.87

00:26:14.000 It's not. 0.87

00:26:14.000 Every single major media hub is in New York City, where Jews are 23%. 0.87

00:26:20.000 So, when you look at the fact that every single major media hub, Fox News, NBC, all the public broadcasting channels, most of the cable channels, all of the international news are in New York City, where Jews make up 23%, and that's not counting the suburbs. 0.67

00:26:35.000 Also, it's the most expensive media market in the entire country. 0.69

00:26:38.000 They're going to play to the media market that pays them the most, and New York City is more liberal than California.

00:26:44.000 So, when you look at those two things, is it evil?

00:26:46.000 Absolutely.

00:26:47.000 Are the Jews that are in the media participating in this evil? 0.95

00:26:50.000 Absolutely.

00:26:51.000 But the statistical overrepresentation.

00:26:54.000 Is not so dramatic that it's 2% of the population, yet 25% of the media.

00:26:59.000 Very interesting.

00:27:00.000 I've never been confronted with this argument, so I will not comment.

00:27:03.000 But what I'll do is I'll carry your argument to Kevin McDonald, who will be here on Saturday on the public space.

00:27:11.000 I'd love to hear it.

00:27:13.000 I talk to Kevin McDonald in DM sometimes.

00:27:15.000 What's his response?

00:27:17.000 I'll look into it.

00:27:17.000 Interesting.

00:27:18.000 But we haven't talked in a while.

00:27:21.000 But he said to me at the time, interesting.

00:27:22.000 I'll look into it.

00:27:23.000 But as I said, There was a lot of like fireworks on Luke's show with Kafnis and him and all of that.

00:27:29.000 And he's kind of disengaged from like just talking, you know, to just people in private.

00:27:34.000 I think he's afraid people are going to like take those conversations and screenshot them.

00:27:38.000 Tree of Logic did that to him.

00:27:40.000 Like, had a long conversation with him in DM and then basically screenshotted the whole thing and said, Oh, look at this cuck.

00:27:45.000 He won't do this and this.

00:27:46.000 So I think he's being more careful.

00:27:47.000 But there was a while where he talked.

00:27:48.000 He's actually a very reasonable guy. 0.98

00:27:51.000 He's not such an asshole, like, where he's like, No, this is my way or whatever.

00:27:54.000 Like, when Kafnis came out with his paper and I asked him what he thought of it, he said, I won't comment on it until I've done the research to reply. 0.93

00:28:01.000 You know?

00:28:02.000 And once he did, he said, He even sent me a copy like a day before he posted.

00:28:05.000 He said, What do you think?

00:28:06.000 You know, he's actually a very nice guy.

00:28:08.000 I disagree with him on most things, but he's just a very nice guy.

00:28:12.000 Now, I think that a lot of what we've been discussing up to now revolves around information control.

00:28:18.000 And both the dramatic state of the boomer generations and the hope that we can see in future generations, I think, revolves around what kind of informational environment we raise our children in.

00:28:32.000 And when you talk to someone who's above 40 or 50 years old, you can feel it. 0.97

00:28:37.000 They come from a completely different world.

00:28:40.000 Than us who are connected on the internet and who follow the idea of the right on the internet.

00:28:48.000 So, about this information control, do you think that it will just improve by itself, Nick, out of the simple fact that we are on the internet, that now individuals are taking over entire sectors that used to be organized by mainstream media?

00:29:06.000 Or do we have to actively seek more solutions than those that emerge naturally right now?

00:29:12.000 Well, yeah, I mean, that gets to the broader point I was trying to make about how do we make these things come about.

00:29:18.000 And you're right in terms of it is about information, it is about control over the mediums of communication for these kinds of ideas.

00:29:28.000 And, you know, McLuhan was a great thinker about this.

00:29:31.000 I encourage everybody, because it's a very little read author this day and age.

00:29:35.000 I don't know why, but it took me a while to hear of a McLuhan.

00:29:39.000 That's how it's spelled.

00:29:40.000 But he wrote a lot about media and how media really does.

00:29:43.000 Control in this day and age the direction of society called it the medium is the message.

00:29:48.000 That was the attitude he coined.

00:29:49.000 But you know, I think it has to be a very active and grassroots campaign in the sense that people are looking towards these grand political designs of, well, you know, we need to take over the country or there has to be this dramatic revolution or we have to do this, that, and the other.

00:30:08.000 And I would never discount political reform as a means to an end, but what we have to do is get people.

00:30:16.000 Children in particular, back under the care of normal people, not the lizard people in media.

00:30:21.000 So that means that, for example, Halsey says he's putting his kids in private school.

00:30:25.000 Great.

00:30:26.000 That's the kind of thing that's going to change the balance.

00:30:29.000 I have it in my head that if people who are aware of these kinds of things homeschool their kids or put them in private school, they limit the amount of media that they consume from the corporations, or maybe they get their media from somewhere else.

00:30:42.000 If regular people basically just take charge and assert that responsibility, I think that will do a lot.

00:30:50.000 In the way of making a movement, it's all about snowballing.

00:30:52.000 You know, I wouldn't sit here and tell you, you know, I've got a design, I've got a plan for how we're going to make it all okay, because this is rarely how these things work in history.

00:31:02.000 In all great movements, you know, whether it's the Bolsheviks or anybody else, nobody sits around a table and says, you know, this is how we're going to plot how we were to create the Soviet Union or how we would create, you know, this great empire.

00:31:13.000 It tends to work bit by bit, it tends to work a little bit differently.

00:31:17.000 So I would say that if we take those kinds of steps towards reclaiming, Reclaiming our communities, reclaiming our families.

00:31:26.000 I think that would do a lot in the way of building some kind of network, building some kind of base for the change that we need to see more broadly.

00:31:34.000 Because you'll never, I mean, you talk about these major media corporations and social media companies.

00:31:39.000 You can engage in lawfare, you can engage in political reform, but by and large, you're not going to be able to get a traditionalist Catholic Caesar in control of all the media or in control of Hollywood or anything like that.

00:31:52.000 So we have to think in more creative ways, we have to think in more indirect ways.

00:31:58.000 How can we best beat back this legacy system?

00:32:01.000 How can we best beat back this institutionalized big money system?

00:32:05.000 And I think it's just through localism, through communities.

00:32:07.000 And that's how it starts, in my view.

00:32:11.000 I mean, I just noticed a lot of people in the chat are asking why I send to private school and I don't homeschool.

00:32:17.000 I would.

00:32:18.000 My wife has dyscalculia. 1.00

00:32:19.000 It's like dyslexia for math. 1.00

00:32:21.000 So she doesn't feel comfortable educating the kids because if she educates them wrong, she would feel responsible for them not getting the right education. 1.00

00:32:30.000 So, we don't homeschool for that reason, but she doesn't work. 0.95

00:32:34.000 It's not because we can't. 0.97

00:32:36.000 She stays home with my kids.

00:32:39.000 So, I'm just answering because a lot of people in the chat are asking why I don't homeschool.

00:32:44.000 My girlfriend is also dyslexic.

00:32:47.000 We have a few super chats that we could read. 0.95

00:32:50.000 Sharia scientist says, I will not read this one. 0.95

00:32:53.000 Swift says, Emmanuel Seller made it his life mission to revoke the 1921 Immigration Act because it barred Jews.

00:33:03.000 Have to know this to understand the 1965 Act.

00:33:08.000 Zoe Hunt says, If Christianity is so cohesive for whites, why is there hundreds of denominations that do not seem cohesive at all?

00:33:17.000 I feel that this is a question for Nick. 0.99

00:33:20.000 Oh, that's just dumb. 0.99

00:33:21.000 I mean, that's why we embrace Catholicism. 0.99

00:33:24.000 When you're a Protestant and you have this hubris, you have this arrogance that says, We don't need some ecclesiastical authority. 0.51

00:33:32.000 We'll just make up the rules as we go along. 0.78

00:33:34.000 We can read the Bible any way we want.

00:33:36.000 Well, that's when you get. 0.92

00:33:37.000 The fracture, that's when you get the split and all these denominations. 0.92

00:33:41.000 So, the answer to that question is submit to Rome, embrace the Catholic Church. 0.62

00:33:46.000 That's the way forward for Christians.

00:33:49.000 Absolutely. 0.99

00:33:49.000 Nicker Bloodlust says, We need an alt right Zionist alliance. 0.99

00:33:54.000 I don't know that we need that. 0.96

00:33:55.000 Mark Nanneman says, Nick, anti Pope Francis is a heretic and fake pope.

00:34:02.000 We've had almost 50 anti popes in Catholic history.

00:34:06.000 You reject them, elect a true one, and move on.

00:34:09.000 What do you think about this, Nick?

00:34:11.000 That's just simply not how it works. 0.98

00:34:13.000 I mean, I love all these Catholics who think it's like a civilian government. 0.99

00:34:18.000 They think it's like the president.

00:34:19.000 We don't like this pope.

00:34:20.000 We'll vote for a new one.

00:34:21.000 That's not how it works.

00:34:23.000 The pope is the vicar of Christ on earth, protected from error by God.

00:34:28.000 And so when people say, oh, I disagree with what he said about politics, I claim he's heretical.

00:34:35.000 I mean, that defeats the whole point of Christ establishing a church on earth.

00:34:39.000 If you can invalidate it or veto that, As a layman, you know, because you don't like what he said about politics.

00:34:45.000 So I agree.

00:34:46.000 Look, and trust me, I'm not wild about everything he said.

00:34:49.000 I've had my criticisms of him before on my show, which people are well aware of. 0.94

00:34:53.000 But just to say that, oh, he's illegitimate, I say he's illegitimate, it's just kind of an ignorant thing to say. 0.98

00:35:00.000 What a convinced brain. 0.99

00:35:01.000 I don't know how you live with yourself as a nihilist Frenchman. 1.00

00:35:05.000 I cannot even conceive the idea of unfailability, but it's beautiful to see you argue for it. 0.75

00:35:11.000 Joy Gojon says, 1488 has horrible optics for the whole movement, which is understated.

00:35:19.000 What are your thoughts, Nick and Alze, on this?

00:35:23.000 The fact that I've seen that a lot on my chat, people saying 1488.

00:35:28.000 Is that a problem?

00:35:30.000 Is that something we should fight?

00:35:31.000 Is that something we should ignore?

00:35:32.000 Or is that something we should endorse?

00:35:37.000 You could start.

00:35:38.000 I have my own ideas.

00:35:40.000 Sure.

00:35:40.000 Well, you know, with the whole thing, I think a lot of what has been done in the past just has to be scrapped.

00:35:40.000 Yeah.

00:35:47.000 I think so much of the old stuff, the WN 1.0, even the alt right stuff, it just has to be scrapped entirely for the sole reason that it hasn't worked.

00:35:56.000 You know, I think people.

00:35:58.000 They have this weird attachment to things that don't work, and that's really problematic. 0.84

00:36:02.000 You know, some of the lessons we can learn from the Zionists, and if you read about them, it's fascinating. 0.95

00:36:07.000 Not because, you know, look, and we have our issues with Israel and our aid for them, but, you know, just purely speaking from an objective point of view in terms of they had an incredible goal, a pretty fantastic goal, which was when Turkey controlled Palestine, they said, we want to put down a Jewish homeland there, and they accomplished that in 50 years, and it was through ruthless pragmatism, and we have to embrace the same method. 0.88

00:36:30.000 This, I don't know, that we're wedded to the optics of 1488 and Adolf Hitler and, or, you know, this broader movement the alt right has for so long, it sets us back a long way and it becomes an obstacle to the real objective.

00:36:30.000 So this.

00:36:44.000 I think people would rather, it's like they want to eat, they want to have their cake and eat it too.

00:36:48.000 They want to have their goals, but they also want all their favorite icons and figures rehabilitated.

00:36:54.000 And, you know, you can't do them at the same time.

00:36:57.000 If you're going to spend a lot of time rehabilitating certain figures or whatever, it's going to come at the cost.

00:37:02.000 In the detriment of pursuing real power and discharging real influence. 0.67

00:37:05.000 So I think it has to be scrapped in favor of just pro America Christian optics.

00:37:12.000 And that's been the position for a long time.

00:37:16.000 Well, I think that we're not hearing you, Jose.

00:37:19.000 You are muted.

00:37:20.000 I didn't unmute.

00:37:21.000 I'm sorry.

00:37:22.000 There was something interesting you had said about a Christian Zionist kind of alliance. 0.61

00:37:26.000 I think that's a very, very bad idea because I think ethnocentrism and ethno nationalism thrives best when left alone.

00:37:36.000 That the worst thing that can happen on an ethnic movement is outside influence and outside pressure because it will never be that both groups' interests completely align.

00:37:47.000 You know, the whole purpose of ethno nationalism is that their interests don't align with other ethnicities.

00:37:54.000 So I understand people's criticism of Israel.

00:37:58.000 I don't agree with it.

00:37:59.000 And I can say it's a country like any others.

00:38:02.000 Of course, there's going to have problems, they're going to have good things and bad things and whatever. 0.83

00:38:07.000 I would personally like to see America and the Christian world basically leave Israel alone and just not try to get involved in Israeli politics for good or for bad. 0.87

00:38:15.000 I don't think America should be giving Israel aid. 0.86

00:38:17.000 I think it's a bad deal for Israel.

00:38:19.000 I think it stifles their growth.

00:38:20.000 I think welfare in any form stifles growth.

00:38:23.000 And I think that if Israel were allowed to build its own military industries and its own technology industries independent of America, but as a trade partner, it would be better off than giving any kind of aid to Israel in order to accomplish financial needs.

00:38:36.000 It also promotes the deep state military industrial complex, which is not a good thing.

00:38:41.000 You know, but in America, we have the same thing.

00:38:43.000 We have people that have ethnic movements.

00:38:46.000 They have ethnic groups, whether they be Christian, whether they be Catholic.

00:38:49.000 And the majority of America is majority white.

00:38:52.000 If you look at LA, then yes, you're wrong. 0.88

00:38:55.000 Whites are absolutely a minority and will probably continue to be so for a very long time. 0.99

00:39:00.000 Chicago, kind of. 1.00

00:39:01.000 New York, pretty much. 0.58

00:39:03.000 You know, but when you look at the majority of America, the white majorities are overwhelming.

00:39:08.000 You know, and it was funny because I was looking at a poll of what people think of Jewish influence in America.

00:39:14.000 And there was a percentage that didn't like it.

00:39:16.000 There was a percentage that did like it.

00:39:17.000 And there was a huge percentage of people that said they didn't have an opinion because they've never met a Jew.

00:39:23.000 And these are all Americans. 0.51

00:39:24.000 They live in places where there just are no Jews and they had no opinion, good or bad, because they never even gave it and they thought. 0.79

00:39:31.000 And that's something that white people can learn from and are accomplishing in the places where you see the deepest support for President Trump, the deepest support for curbing immigration, the deepest support for fighting communism. 0.80

00:39:44.000 These are the places where white majorities already exist and they're big. 0.64

00:39:49.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.69

00:39:50.000 They're not just these little pockets of land that are overcrowded in apartments without the ability to own your own piece of America, without your ability to build your own business. 0.87

00:40:01.000 These are the places where white people can grow and thrive because they already are. 0.89

00:40:07.000 These are the places where an education still matters because there aren't so much overcrowding of jobs with useless college degrees like gender studies and garbage like that. 0.95

00:40:17.000 If you get a welding certificate, you're in demand.

00:40:20.000 There's over a million skilled labor jobs in America.

00:40:23.000 That are unfilled because no one can fill them.

00:40:25.000 There's not enough people. 0.87

00:40:26.000 So I just see that, yes, can white people learn something from Zionism? 0.90

00:40:31.000 For sure. 0.85

00:40:32.000 Because Zionism, like you said, it established what they were looking to in a very short period of time in a very hostile place. 0.93

00:40:39.000 Generation Z, I think, are getting to that. 0.87

00:40:42.000 They're realizing that just taking a mortgage at 20% because someone says, here's some free money, is not worth it if you can't pay it back because you'll never own what you're paying on.

00:40:50.000 They're saying, I'm not going to go $150,000 in debt.

00:40:53.000 To go to college for a degree that isn't going to make me more than 45 grand a year when I get out.

00:40:58.000 And I actually said this last night.

00:41:00.000 So it's no secret.

00:41:01.000 I said, I see people like Nick and people like JF went through college to, you have your doctorate, right?

00:41:10.000 I know.

00:41:11.000 Right.

00:41:12.000 But you've decided that your life is going to make a difference here, as opposed to trying to just be involved in whatever path you thought was the right one from the beginning. 0.95

00:41:22.000 You know, like this is what I see Generation Z doing.

00:41:26.000 And it's not just a pipe dream.

00:41:28.000 They're actually doing it.

00:41:29.000 People are saying, I'll be comfortable making decent money as opposed to making a lot of money.

00:41:33.000 That's why I wrote you the super chat before.

00:41:35.000 I didn't say everybody now wants jobs.

00:41:38.000 I said a lot of people who would disagree with Mike Enoch would say that I'm more interested in a job than what he has to say.

00:41:45.000 But I'm just saying that it just seems that a lot of people right now are chasing their dreams, and those dreams are actually bringing them to the same place of kind of an American, I want to say unity, but it seems a little cheesy, you know, but that's what I see.

00:42:00.000 To say 1488, even if it had validity or no validity, it's a European German ideal.

00:42:08.000 That is not an American ideal.

00:42:09.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:42:10.000 If you want Germany, you can go to Germany.

00:42:12.000 It's still there.

00:42:13.000 I mean, there's probably a great apartment building you can move into with some beautiful Muslim neighbors, you know.

00:42:19.000 But if that's what you want, go there. 1.00

00:42:21.000 It's not an American ideal.

00:42:23.000 It never has been, and it probably never will be.

00:42:26.000 I've actually had the mainstream newspaper ask me this question two days ago.

00:42:31.000 They're making an article about me in Quebec.

00:42:35.000 And they were like, what about your fans who write 1488?

00:42:38.000 Uh, I'm not a leader and I'm not like, you should not follow me.

00:42:45.000 Uh, and you should not think that I'm, uh, I'm the right guy to decide for your movement, however you define it.

00:42:53.000 That being said, I see myself as a broker of ID and a mad scientist.

00:42:58.000 And so my answer to the 1488 question is first, I'm autistic as can be and I don't care about optics.

00:43:06.000 Secondly, uh, the 14 words. 0.61

00:43:09.000 They say stuff that mentions the right of the existence of white people to continue existing. 0.94

00:43:17.000 So, their right to continue existing. 0.81

00:43:19.000 And what I explained to this newspaper is if you find any problem with the 14 words, the words themselves and their meaning, you are essentially calling for the genocide of white people. 0.81

00:43:33.000 Now, on the Hail Hitler, I used a little bit of my mad scientist approach to the world.

00:43:38.000 And I explained look, there are people who want to salute Adolf Hitler.

00:43:43.000 On YouTube right now.

00:43:44.000 Do I object to it?

00:43:46.000 Well, it depends. 0.96

00:43:47.000 Saying I to Hitler, does it mean that Hitler has done everything right?

00:43:53.000 But what it means is that there is a segment of the population on YouTube who say, I want to have some memory for the man Adolf Hitler because some of his goals might have been demonized in modern times and not everything that he's done and not everything that he's wanted was wrong.

00:43:53.000 No.

00:44:12.000 And that's what I explained to the newspaper.

00:44:14.000 It is, look, First, they are Americans, those who use these numbers, I think, on my channel.

00:44:21.000 And so they have a right to claim their own existence and they have a right to call for the memory of a man who they find maybe had some good ideas.

00:44:32.000 I don't think there's any leader that's devoid of good ideas.

00:44:37.000 You know, I don't, it's very rare that you find, and I'm not praising Hitler.

00:44:41.000 What I'm saying is that there's no such thing as a leader of a nation, especially one that survives more than six months. 0.99

00:44:48.000 You know, where every single thing that they ever said was just completely off the ball and stupid. 0.99

00:44:53.000 Otherwise, literally no one would follow them. 0.99

00:44:55.000 There'd be no reason, like, even the military, no one's that rich, you know, that you can just buy a military and say, that's it, I'm taking over.

00:45:02.000 But again, you judge things on its totality.

00:45:05.000 You know, like, did Hitler bring Germany out of a raging recession? 0.89

00:45:09.000 Absolutely. 0.74

00:45:10.000 But left it just as bad as he found it.

00:45:12.000 You know, they were defeated in a world war by an allied power that was much stronger.

00:45:18.000 They made military blunders, which cost them millions of lives.

00:45:22.000 Billions of dollars in treasure.

00:45:25.000 So the end result was not a good one.

00:45:28.000 Regardless of the war crimes that were committed, the end result was that Germany was not in a better place than it was before the war.

00:45:35.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:45:36.000 So any leader, I think, can be judged on that level.

00:45:39.000 And if you want to say, oh, this one had a good idea, sure.

00:45:42.000 Everybody has good ideas and good intentions sometimes.

00:45:46.000 But if you look at the totality, that's what matters. 0.96

00:45:49.000 Well, and the trick is with Hitler is that. 0.76

00:45:52.000 The mythology of Hitler is so important in the present political conversation. 0.51

00:45:59.000 So, you know, while it is bad optics, there does have to be a reconciliation with the fact that 70 or 80 years later, we're still living in the shadow of this ideological fight between the Marxists, the Bolsheviks, and the fascists or the Nazis. 0.69

00:46:16.000 And so while I would never go out there saying 88 or anything like that, of course, Hitler was reprehensible and all the rest. 0.87

00:46:23.000 If we could engage for a moment in a little bit of critical thought here, history and the left and the media, they need a figure like Hitler. 0.87

00:46:33.000 They need Hitler to have existed. 0.57

00:46:35.000 They need Hitler to have existed in exactly the way that they said he did, which is as a villain. 0.82

00:46:41.000 And there can never be an alternative opinion. 0.79

00:46:44.000 You can never even second guess the historical record. 0.99

00:46:47.000 And not only was he a villain, but he was pathetic. 0.99

00:46:51.000 And he was, he had one ball. 0.99

00:46:52.000 And they have to emasculate him.

00:46:54.000 It wasn't sufficient.

00:46:55.000 He was, he's unquestionably the great villain.

00:46:58.000 But also, he was this sad guy. 0.65

00:47:00.000 And the reason they need it is because this is their shortcut to invalidating anything that is white solidarity, anything that is white racial consciousness, anything that is nationalist, anything that is traditionalist. 0.62

00:47:14.000 Because, of course, what is always the knee jerk, reflexive impulse of the left when you talk about white consciousness, about the beauty of white people, the survival of white people? 0.63

00:47:25.000 Oh, what are you? 0.72

00:47:26.000 Adolf Hitler?

00:47:27.000 What are you?

00:47:28.000 And what is the one thing, you know?

00:47:28.000 A Nazi?

00:47:31.000 For an R rated movie where it's graphic violence and nudity and all the rest, it's 18 and up. 0.76

00:47:37.000 But they'll show you from the time you're five years old in every public school.

00:47:40.000 Now it's mandated in every public school, I think, in many states, that they show the most graphic images of people in the camps.

00:47:48.000 And, you know, never mind that, you know, some of them died from typhus and never mind that some of them died from other things.

00:47:53.000 They're going to show the propaganda reel, they're going to show the whole wartime, what they call atrocity propaganda. 0.60

00:48:01.000 And look, you know, of course it happened.

00:48:02.000 I'm not saying it didn't happen, but I am saying that the left needs that to stop critical thinking.

00:48:08.000 The left needs that to shut down conversation.

00:48:12.000 And so while I would never go out there, and Hitler was a reprehensible guy and what he did was evil, but that's why they can never allow a conversation on it.

00:48:19.000 Because if there was a conversation about, you know, well, what really happened?

00:48:23.000 Who really was this guy?

00:48:24.000 Can we have another position on it?

00:48:27.000 Well, then the entire infrastructure, the entire mythology crumbles.

00:48:31.000 Because right now, The left relies on that to have Antifa, to have left wing ANCOM violence, and all the rest is because fascism is evil and it's taking over.

00:48:41.000 And, you know, God forbid we had a strong and charismatic orator who led the nation in some less than liberal fashion.

00:48:48.000 You know, God forbid that ever happened.

00:48:50.000 So I disavow the 88, but, you know, I do understand where people are coming from, I guess, when they say something like that.

00:48:56.000 Well, you also left out one thing.

00:48:58.000 If Hitler isn't the ultimate villain, then Stalin is. 0.95

00:49:02.000 True, you know what I'm saying. 0.83

00:49:03.000 So, if you can always make Hitler the ultimate villain, then Stalin, for all of his 60 million people that he killed and for all of the ruin that he brought on his own country, he fought against the ultimate evil. 0.84

00:49:15.000 So, therefore, he can get a pass, and therefore, communism is not such a bad thing because it beat Hitler. 0.79

00:49:21.000 So, I mean, when you guys on Worski Live had Aiden on, and Kevin Logan was going at her about, was it four million? 0.54

00:49:29.000 Was it six million?

00:49:29.000 Was it anything?

00:49:31.000 And I and he kept saying, well, if you say it could have been four million, you're minimizing what happened, therefore.

00:49:36.000 You're engaging in some level of denial.

00:49:38.000 And I came on and I said it then.

00:49:39.000 I'll say it again now.

00:49:41.000 Without asking those questions, scholarship cannot happen.

00:49:44.000 Without scholarship, you get conspiracy theories.

00:49:47.000 So if you can't ask those questions of how many people died, I don't care if it was 1 million or 6 million.

00:49:52.000 It was horrible.

00:49:53.000 Like, is 1 million dying not so bad, but 6 million is unspeakable?

00:49:53.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:49:58.000 Like, no, millions of people dying is a bad thing, no matter what.

00:50:01.000 If they're killed by a leader, it's a bad thing, no matter what.

00:50:04.000 So I don't understand why anybody would be afraid of it. 0.87

00:50:08.000 And this Holocaust industry, That teaches the Holocaust to every young child out there is not just brainwashing, but it's doing something that enables them to grasp onto the horrible side of humanity. 0.88

00:50:26.000 You know, they're able to know from that young, young age that whatever you do that can possibly be considered this, you know, you have to stop doing. 0.91

00:50:36.000 So, again, you can always point to, well, Stalin fought Hitler in World War II.

00:50:42.000 So, if from a young age you remember these horrible pictures of the camps and you remember that Hitler was the ultimate villain and this horrible, horrible person who did all these horrible things, then as you're growing up, you're like, well, I don't want to be Hitler.

00:50:54.000 So, Stalin must have at least had a couple good ideas or must have at least cared enough because he went in and liberated the camps.

00:51:00.000 He went in and fought the Nazis. 0.82

00:51:03.000 And this Holocaust industry yes, there are lots of things to be learned from the Holocaust by a person who's able to engage in critical thought. 0.88

00:51:12.000 And a child is not able to be engaged in critical thought. 0.86

00:51:15.000 They're unable to be scared the shit out of, which never works.

00:51:18.000 All it does is lead to conspiracy theory later in life.

00:51:22.000 Absolutely.

00:51:23.000 I suggest I read a few questions to you guys in the super chat and then we can conclude.

00:51:28.000 Bill Raffi asks Does all this support the Dome of the Rock being destroyed and the Third Temple built?

00:51:35.000 I don't know what that means.

00:51:37.000 I was actually just asked that like an hour ago by a friend of mine.

00:51:40.000 No, I don't believe that the Third Temple should be built by man.

00:51:43.000 I believe it's something that'll be built by God.

00:51:45.000 No, I don't believe the Dome of the Rock should be there.

00:51:48.000 All right, and a challenge to Nick.

00:51:49.000 Walk Tree says, Not how it works, Nick.

00:51:52.000 Bishops are the highest clergy over their diocese.

00:51:56.000 Pope position is greatly inflated, largely due to ages of Catholic Protestant debates.

00:52:04.000 Pope's extra authority is very limited.

00:52:08.000 That's just simply not true.

00:52:10.000 I mean, that's just simply not true.

00:52:12.000 You know, you can go back to the gospel itself, and Jesus Christ did not give the keys of the kingdom to the bishops.

00:52:19.000 Jesus Christ did not found the church on the rock of the bishops.

00:52:23.000 He founded it on the church of Rome or the bishop of Rome, which was Peter.

00:52:28.000 And, you know, people say, oh, no, they actually gave it to all of them and all this other stuff.

00:52:32.000 But, you know, fundamentally, it was Peter.

00:52:36.000 And Peter, even the name Peter, which Jesus Christ changed his name to Peter, was a pun in the original language for rock.

00:52:43.000 He was the rock.

00:52:44.000 And then he became the bishop of Rome.

00:52:46.000 And so the pope is the vicar of Christ on earth, not the bishop. 0.94

00:52:50.000 So, you know, this is a lot of Protestant nonsense. 0.95

00:52:53.000 You know, and Protestants will come at you for the sex scandal and these other things. 0.97

00:52:57.000 But at the end of the day, the Catholic Church, the magisterium has not changed.

00:53:02.000 The magisterium, you know, we have a pope here and there who's a little bit left leaning, but the magisterium doesn't change.

00:53:07.000 It's still hierarchical, still traditional.

00:53:10.000 And, you know, that's all right. 0.96

00:53:12.000 Protestants, hey, maybe you're the one right sect of Protestantism, right? 0.93

00:53:16.000 All the 500 other ones are all wrong, but you're the right one, right? 0.98

00:53:19.000 So a lot of goofy stuff from them.

00:53:21.000 Joey says Nick is always classy and will sway normies of the future.

00:53:27.000 I agree with that statement, actually.

00:53:29.000 I agree with that statement.

00:53:30.000 All right.

00:53:31.000 Yeah, there's lots of demand for this.

00:53:34.000 Like, who will sway the normies?

00:53:38.000 It's both fascinating and I enjoy participating in it.

00:53:42.000 In fact, why did I hire Lauren Rose? 1.00

00:53:44.000 Because I think she will sway the normies.

00:53:47.000 However, it's also a childish view because the reality is the normies may not even come up in the next generation.

00:53:55.000 Everyone will be on YouTube and it will all be different sorts of circles of.

00:54:00.000 People being habituated to different content creators.

00:54:04.000 Uh, Fernando says, if Kurzweil is right, in 25 years, one little computer will be as powerful as 10 billion humans.

00:54:12.000 AI will either supplant or supplement humans.

00:54:15.000 I agree that they will supplement humans as long as we control them, and it doesn't matter if they're very intelligent.

00:54:21.000 We can control a very intelligent AI. 1.00

00:54:24.000 However, if we let them play with our genes, we're fucked. 1.00

00:54:28.000 Keep that in mind. 0.99

00:54:29.000 Mark Nanman says, Nick, if Pope Francis canonized Alzey as a saint, even though he was a Christ rejecting Jew, would you accept or reject him as a heretic anti pope?

00:54:41.000 Well, that's kind of a weird question.

00:54:43.000 Why would a pope do that?

00:54:45.000 Well, yeah, that literally wouldn't happen.

00:54:48.000 That wouldn't happen. 1.00

00:54:50.000 But, you know, Protestants stay mad. 0.96

00:54:52.000 Everybody's mad at the Catholics. 1.00

00:54:54.000 And it's like, you can be as mad and smug as you want, but you're going to hell. 0.99

00:54:58.000 So who gets the last laugh?

00:55:00.000 I love that.

00:55:01.000 Glory for the King says, really great and insightful conversation.

00:55:05.000 If discussions like this happened more often, America would truly be going places.

00:55:10.000 And finally, Snow White says, white solidarity means everyone.

00:55:15.000 We don't have a boomer problem.

00:55:17.000 Don't let people divide us by age, gender, or religion.

00:55:22.000 So, guys, it was really an awesome conversation, an awesome evening.

00:55:27.000 I thank you both for being there.

00:55:29.000 I thank all of the people in the chat who have, uh, Participated with lots of energy in that discussion, sometimes taking sides, sometimes just praising our guests, sometimes insulting our guests.

00:55:43.000 That's how it goes, and it's fine.

00:55:45.000 Thank you all for being on the public space.

00:55:47.000 Do you guys have anything to say in conclusion?

00:55:52.000 You can go ahead.

00:55:54.000 No, I think that's about it.

00:55:56.000 I may still do America First later tonight.

00:55:58.000 So, for people that are watching, stay tuned for that.

00:56:01.000 It's still a nice one.

00:56:01.000 Also, you didn't do it before?

00:56:04.000 I was sure that you would go live before.

00:56:06.000 All right.

00:56:07.000 So let's go on Nick's channel and wait for his America first episode.

00:56:12.000 Well, I'm saying it might have the problem.

00:56:14.000 I was having internet issues with my computer.

00:56:17.000 So I was planning on doing it, but then it didn't work out.

00:56:19.000 So it may still happen.

00:56:21.000 When you mentioned the issues, I didn't realize that the issues were fatal to your stream.

00:56:26.000 I thought they would just slow down your stream.

00:56:29.000 No, no, it was fatal.

00:56:30.000 Very frustrating.

00:56:32.000 But thanks for having us.

00:56:33.000 It was a great conversation.

00:56:34.000 Let me just show why.

00:56:35.000 Shale, one thing I normally don't, but on Wednesday on Luke Ford, me and him are going to be hosting Greg Cochran, which I think is going to be a really fun conversation.

00:56:45.000 So if you guys come out Wednesday, we'd love to have you.

00:56:48.000 Do we know the time Wednesday?

00:56:50.000 Nine o'clock Eastern.

00:56:52.000 I think nine o'clock Eastern.

00:56:54.000 Perfect.

00:56:55.000 Greg Cochran and there will be Alzey and Luke Ford.

00:56:58.000 Yeah, it's on Luke's channel.

00:57:00.000 Wonderful.

00:57:01.000 Well, thank you all for participating tonight and have a great day.

00:57:05.000 Thank you.

America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - May 24, 2018

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