America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - Nick Fuentes vs. Mike Tokes

00:00:01.000 All righty, guys, we are live.

00:00:03.000 I'm sorry about that. 0.97

00:00:05.000 Mr. Tokes is on Wakanda time as usual.

00:00:09.000 He's got the looks at what he got there, Panda Express orange chicken.

00:00:15.000 How let's can you show the inside of the box?

00:00:15.000 Orange chicken.

00:00:18.000 I want to see, I want to see like what's in there.

00:00:21.000 What do you got?

00:00:21.000 Noodles, the fire, bro.

00:00:23.000 No, no noodles, no rice.

00:00:25.000 We just get the side order right here, just straight protein, straight protein.

00:00:30.000 All right.

00:00:31.000 Good to have you today, Mr. Tokes and Mr. Fuentes.

00:00:31.000 All right.

00:00:34.000 What's going on, dude?

00:00:36.000 Now, the much man just got back from the gym.

00:00:39.000 I was doing a little pump, throwing the weights around like an animal before I throw Mike Tokes around rhetorically.

00:00:45.000 Oh, really?

00:00:46.000 I'm sure I'll be good.

00:00:47.000 I'm sure I'll be good.

00:00:49.000 Okay.

00:00:50.000 Okay.

00:00:51.000 Looks like we got some fellow, we got a lot of knives in the knife emojis in the chat.

00:00:57.000 I like that.

00:00:59.000 Kosher.

00:00:59.000 Go pull out the knives this one, okay?

00:01:02.000 Let's keep the knives over here for now.

00:01:05.000 All right.

00:01:07.000 Tokes, if you need to go get your knife, like I might have to go get it.

00:01:12.000 If you have one, I would go get that now.

00:01:15.000 Uh, defend yourself.

00:01:16.000 Who knows?

00:01:17.000 We got we actually have uh, the leader of the alt right is in the chat right now.

00:01:21.000 We have uh, Asian Andy with us. 0.85

00:01:22.000 So welcome, Asian. 0.95

00:01:24.000 He's the leader of the alt right, Asian Andy. 0.99

00:01:27.000 Oh, okay. 0.76

00:01:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:01:29.000 I think I saw that stream with you guys.

00:01:29.000 Good guy.

00:01:31.000 Yeah, he uh, he declared himself the leader of the alt right.

00:01:34.000 So he's just full.

00:01:36.000 You know, good deal.

00:01:39.000 He's doing it, he's doing the work for our people.

00:01:44.000 So, we appreciate it, anyways.

00:01:47.000 Um, yeah, we know we got a great show.

00:01:49.000 Welcome to the BA experience.

00:01:51.000 Um, I've been saying this every show, every day.

00:01:55.000 I don't have super chats yet.

00:01:58.000 Uh, YouTube is being really weird with uh, approving people when you make a new YouTube account in 2018.

00:02:06.000 So, they said it might be until the end of April until I get super chats.

00:02:11.000 So, you know, whatever.

00:02:14.000 We got to do what we got to do.

00:02:15.000 So, for now, the way you can donate is through the Streamlabs link in the description.

00:02:21.000 I will be reading all of the Streamlabs donations.

00:02:26.000 I will be reading all of those during the debate.

00:02:28.000 So, mods, if you could just keep spamming that Streamlabs link, that would be awesome.

00:02:35.000 Yeah, so today, this is a matchup I've been wanting to have for a long time.

00:02:42.000 Tokes and Fuentes have had sort of, I don't know, they've had a little personal beef going on.

00:02:48.000 Weren't you guys like going back and forth on Twitter a little bit?

00:02:51.000 Sure, but it was fun.

00:02:53.000 It was fun.

00:02:54.000 It was fun.

00:02:55.000 It was in jest.

00:02:56.000 We like to rile up the masses, get them all charged up, fired up.

00:03:00.000 But Tokes is a good guy.

00:03:02.000 I've seen him on the show before, saw his debate with Spencer, and I wouldn't call it a beef.

00:03:08.000 Okay.

00:03:09.000 No beef.

00:03:09.000 Not a beef.

00:03:11.000 Someone said you're eating kosher tendies over there, Mike.

00:03:14.000 Is that true?

00:03:14.000 I am, yeah.

00:03:15.000 Of course, you got to go with the kosher.

00:03:18.000 Not only is it healthy, it's just good for the faith.

00:03:22.000 You know what I mean?

00:03:23.000 So, Panda Express is kosher now.

00:03:25.000 I wasn't aware.

00:03:27.000 Yeah, I had my guy bless it beforehand.

00:03:29.000 So, we're all good here.

00:03:30.000 Okay, cool.

00:03:32.000 Awesome.

00:03:33.000 You stopped by the synagogue on the way over.

00:03:37.000 I love it.

00:03:39.000 Love my good Jewish friends.

00:03:41.000 And my good Catholic friends, we got a Catholic, a Jew, and a Christian.

00:03:45.000 We got all the great faiths right here.

00:03:50.000 God bless all of you.

00:03:51.000 Well, anyways, so basically, I believe the main topic we're going to debate today is civic nationalism versus ethnic nationalism.

00:04:02.000 So it'll be similar to the Tokes versus Spencer debate.

00:04:07.000 Hopefully, I hope that Fuentes has some new arguments for ethnic nationalism, and I hope Tokes has brought some new arguments for civic nationalism.

00:04:16.000 And also, I don't want to limit this debate to only this topic.

00:04:21.000 I know we've talked about this topic quite a bit.

00:04:24.000 So we're going to start on this topic for sure.

00:04:26.000 But I'm going to leave it up to these two guys.

00:04:28.000 If you guys want to digress from here to any sort of topic, if you want to debate, you know, whatever you want to talk about, we will go there.

00:04:38.000 This is Blood Sports.

00:04:39.000 This is Internet Blood Sports 2018, the BA experience.

00:04:44.000 We could go anywhere, folks, okay?

00:04:47.000 So without further ado, I would like Mike Tokes to start us out.

00:04:54.000 Give us a little bit of background if people haven't heard of you, and tell us why you're a civic nationalist and what that means to you.

00:05:01.000 And then we'll have Nick go ahead and give his position, and then we will just go ahead and get right into it.

00:05:08.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:05:08.000 So, my name is Mike Tokes.

00:05:10.000 If you haven't heard of me, I'm a social media influencer, I'm an activist.

00:05:13.000 I run a social media firm for congressional candidates.

00:05:17.000 I like civic nationalism because, number one, it's not so barbaric, it's not so tribalistic in nature.

00:05:24.000 I find that it's incredibly naive, especially a lot of times.

00:05:27.000 I talk to Richard Spencer with that debate and everything like that, and he's advocating for a Single ethnicity per country, right?

00:05:36.000 I think that we have been in such an adaptive Western civilization that we're not in the Jim Crow eras anymore.

00:05:41.000 We don't need to discriminate against somebody based on their race or based on their religion or anything like that.

00:05:46.000 And we can live peacefully in the same society and integrated at that.

00:05:53.000 I think that a lot of the talking points that I saw with Nick in his Bobby Maxwell debate, I mean, it was more so a history lesson than anything.

00:06:02.000 I want you to tell me where and when.

00:06:05.000 Ethnic nationalism could ever come into play in the domestic United States.

00:06:10.000 All right. 0.95

00:06:11.000 That's a great opening.

00:06:12.000 That's a great opening.

00:06:13.000 Well, my name.

00:06:15.000 That's good.

00:06:16.000 That's smooth.

00:06:19.000 So, is the audio all right?

00:06:20.000 I got a little.

00:06:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:06:23.000 I can't hear you anymore.

00:06:25.000 Okay.

00:06:26.000 Okay.

00:06:27.000 Baked went out for a second, but I'm good now.

00:06:31.000 So, yeah, to begin, I'm Nicholas J. Fuentes.

00:06:33.000 You may know me as Nick the Knife.

00:06:34.000 I've been on the Baked Alaska Blood Sports before, I've been on the Warski Blood Sports before.

00:06:40.000 I host America First, which is a political talk show on YouTube Monday through Friday.

00:06:45.000 And I am an ethnic nationalist.

00:06:47.000 I think I want to distinguish, first of all, the difference in my view between ethnic and civic nationalism, for starters, by saying that civic nationalism is an ideological position.

00:06:58.000 Civic nationalism is premised on the belief that all groups and all people are the same.

00:07:05.000 There's no race but the human race.

00:07:06.000 We're all essentially pink on the inside, and the differences between races, ethnic groups, and so on and so forth are arbitrary.

00:07:13.000 And given that, Premise, given that liberal John Locke premise that we're all blank slate and we're all pink on the inside, civic nationalists build up with this ideological belief that is not supported by history or by facts or biology or anything like that.

00:07:28.000 And they say, well, then there's no reason why we shouldn't all be able to get along.

00:07:31.000 And I think to distinguish that from the ethnic nationalist point of view, I don't believe in ethnic nationalism.

00:07:37.000 It's not something I like, it's not something that's good for me. 0.96

00:07:40.000 I see ethnic nationalism as simply the truth. 0.99

00:07:42.000 I see it as a force, much like gravity, in the sense that. 0.89

00:07:46.000 We are ignoring in this country today as we've reshaped the definition of what it means to be an American in a national sense.

00:07:53.000 We are ignoring things that are intrinsic to our nature as human beings, ignoring things that are intrinsic to our biology, to our evolution.

00:08:01.000 And so, ethnic nationalism, it's not something I'm thrilled about. 0.52

00:08:03.000 It's not something I'm wild about. 0.79

00:08:05.000 But I think that if you observe the course of history, American or otherwise, you will not find a single multi ethnic, multi racial country that is egalitarian that has succeeded and prospered for a very long time.

00:08:17.000 There is not a single case. 0.87

00:08:18.000 And it's funny.

00:08:19.000 Mike Tokes gives me the challenge of offering up ethnic nationalist countries that work.

00:08:24.000 And I would throw the question right around at him and say, point to me.

00:08:28.000 Okay, well, you said, how could we make it work in the domestic United States?

00:08:31.000 How could we make ethnic countries work? 0.95

00:08:32.000 Otherwise, you're living in the land of the fantasy, Nick. 1.00

00:08:35.000 Buckle down, really quick.

00:08:37.000 Sure.

00:08:37.000 Well, are you going to respond?

00:08:39.000 Yeah, let me respond.

00:08:40.000 Listen, you made the distinction that all people are the same, regardless of their culture, their religion.

00:08:45.000 That's not true at all.

00:08:46.000 No, no, no.

00:08:47.000 I said that's not what you said.

00:08:48.000 That is not what I said.

00:08:50.000 That's not what I said.

00:08:51.000 That's you.

00:08:52.000 No, that's what you said.

00:08:53.000 Who said you were.

00:08:54.000 You said you're done.

00:08:55.000 No, You're starting with the tricks already.

00:08:59.000 Come on, let's break it down.

00:09:01.000 Let's rewind a little bit.

00:09:02.000 Let's rewind a little bit.

00:09:04.000 What I said was go ahead.

00:09:05.000 What I said was that civic nationalism is an ideological liberal conviction, which is premised on the belief that all people are the same.

00:09:13.000 I don't believe that.

00:09:15.000 But to be a civic nationalist, that is a necessary precondition for your belief.

00:09:19.000 Wrong.

00:09:20.000 Wrong.

00:09:21.000 To be a civic nationalist, you just have to be able to.

00:09:25.000 Cooperate and integrate into a Western civilization, regardless of race or religion.

00:09:31.000 These identity politics are so based with leftism that you honestly shouldn't even be on the right wing because that is the identity politics that the Democrats push.

00:09:40.000 Don't you understand that?

00:09:42.000 And you're trying to go and you're trying to say that civic nationalism, everyone is all the same, et cetera.

00:09:47.000 I'm not saying that at all.

00:09:48.000 That's not the civic nationalism that I believe in.

00:09:50.000 What I believe in is that you don't need to judge somebody on their race or their religion, and that as long as you have the common denominator of culture, you can get along in Western civilization.

00:10:00.000 Well, here's why civic nationalists have to believe that all people are equal.

00:10:05.000 Here's why civic nationalism, I mean, civic nationalism, that's one word for it, but it's also called liberal nationalism.

00:10:10.000 Do you view everybody else as inferior?

00:10:13.000 My friend, I'll let you finish, please.

00:10:15.000 We can have a much cleaner debate if we allow each other to finish.

00:10:19.000 So don't make them go.

00:10:22.000 Civic nationalism is also sometimes called liberal nationalism. 0.87

00:10:25.000 And I don't say that in a disparaging way to say Eurolefty, Democrats are the real racist.

00:10:30.000 What I mean to say when I say it's liberal nationalism is I mean it's based in.

00:10:34.000 Liberal enlightenment values, John Locke, John Stuart Mill.

00:10:37.000 And the premise of liberal civic nationalism is that the differences between groups of people are not insurmountable, that if they exist, there are cultural differences which can be adapted or cooperated or massaged into a national identity.

00:10:51.000 And I think the ethnic nationalist point of view says that the differences between people are so deep and so intrinsic, they define who people are.

00:11:00.000 And these differences, if you accept them, if you're saying you don't believe people are all equal, These qualitative and quantitative differences between people inform their culture.

00:11:10.000 The reason that African people have African culture has something to do with those differences between peoples.

00:11:17.000 It's not just an arbitrary thing that Asians develop one culture, Africans one, Latin Americans one, and Europeans another.

00:11:23.000 It's something that is derivative of their differences between groups.

00:11:27.000 And civic nationalists, liberal nationalists, have to ignore this because they have to say, well, all of these can be massaged into one general culture.

00:11:35.000 And the record of history is that that is simply not true.

00:11:37.000 I think African Americans in the United States is maybe the best case where these people have been here for 500 years. 0.99

00:11:44.000 And you look at their murder rate, and if you isolate the murder rate of African Americans, it is on par with West Africa. 1.00

00:11:51.000 If you isolate the murder rate of white Americans, it's on par with Western Europe. 0.68

00:11:55.000 If you look at Detroit, it looks more like Haiti and like Lagos than it looks like Maine or Oregon or some of the more rural white American states.

00:12:04.000 And what that tells you is that maybe they speak the language and maybe they, to some extent, they know the history of the country, they've been part of the experience. 0.75

00:12:11.000 But they have not assimilated into the values and the culture.

00:12:14.000 Probably the best case is they voted 97% for Barack Obama in 2008.

00:12:19.000 They voted 97% for Doug Jones in the special election in Alabama.

00:12:23.000 And what that tells us is number one, they vote in a tribal way, they vote for people that look like them, they vote in their tribal interest.

00:12:30.000 But number two, that even if they're not voting for people that look like them, they're voting as a collective, and that collective votes for things that are leftist and totalitarian, things that have nothing to do with the founding.

00:12:40.000 So I think the record of history is clear that these differences exist.

00:12:44.000 They can't be overcome, and we have to think about solutions for that.

00:12:48.000 I think you're very rooted in ignorance.

00:12:51.000 And I know you're a young guy. 0.90

00:12:52.000 How old are you?

00:12:53.000 19?

00:12:54.000 19, yeah.

00:12:55.000 So you're a young guy.

00:12:55.000 19.

00:12:56.000 You got a long way to go.

00:12:57.000 The bottom line is this you're saying that there's differences between peoples, right?

00:13:01.000 Whether it be race or whether it be religion or anything like that.

00:13:04.000 We're living in an ethnic national, a civic nationalist culture right now in the United States.

00:13:09.000 The only problem is this you don't need to view anybody as inferior, which it seems that you do.

00:13:15.000 That's what you're.

00:13:16.000 That's what you're advocating for, okay?

00:13:19.000 Because when you want to have, okay, so how would you do this, right?

00:13:22.000 You're advocating for an ethnic nationalist ideology.

00:13:27.000 Will that ever work in the United States?

00:13:29.000 Well, see, now you're asking two different questions.

00:13:31.000 I think this is what you're advocating for.

00:13:34.000 So are you going to live in the land of the fantasy, or is there any type of practical use in the country?

00:13:39.000 I'll have to explain.

00:13:40.000 There's a lot of hostility here, but I think we can clear this up with a very simple explanation.

00:13:46.000 When I say there are two questions, and I'm going to answer both of them, but when I say there are two questions, I mean, When we diagnose the problem and we say that, well, people are different and it's going to be very difficult for us to get along, that's one question.

00:13:58.000 If you acknowledge that, I think we're on the same page.

00:14:01.000 The second question then is, well, now that we've acknowledged that civic nationalism can't work and we can't force all these people to be together, it's going to end in ruin, then the second question becomes, what is to be done?

00:14:13.000 And I think this is a very difficult question to answer.

00:14:15.000 Number one, for a very good reason, because there's been no scholarship done on this.

00:14:20.000 And actually, if you look at studies about conflict, If you look at studies about civil war, there was a great article in New York Magazine this week or a couple of weeks ago by Andrew Sullivan about tribalism.

00:14:30.000 And he talks about how people have been studying conflict in the United States for like 50 years in the university level, studying what causes conflict and doing it in a very systematic, algorithmic way with numbers and things.

00:14:42.000 And they plug them all into a computer, plug them into mathematical formulas, and they say, well, what causes conflict?

00:14:47.000 And there just simply hasn't been a lot of scholarship on how ethnic diversity contributes to conflict because.

00:14:54.000 We know that political correctness stifles this conversation.

00:14:57.000 So I think that from the beginning, we are at an asymmetrical position where the civic nationalist position has to be propped up by free speech codes and censorship and all the rest and ostracizing people who disagree with it.

00:15:09.000 And the ethnic nationalist position has been censored, has been self censored by people who study this.

00:15:14.000 And that's why there simply aren't a lot of good answers on the table.

00:15:19.000 I would say that we just have to get pointed in the right direction.

00:15:24.000 And so what I mean by this is that.

00:15:25.000 If we're going to resolve these differences within the United States that are ethnic and whatever, there's a couple of ways we can go about it.

00:15:32.000 Number one is segregation.

00:15:34.000 And that's a dirty word.

00:15:35.000 That's an unfortunate thing.

00:15:37.000 But if you look around the world, the most successful, the most prosperous, the most peaceful, multi ethnic, multi racial countries that have thrived in spite of their diversity are ones that have tribal differences implemented in their constitutions.

00:15:50.000 For example, in Ethiopia, they have something called ethnic tribalism. 0.90

00:15:54.000 You want to go back to Jim Crow laws. 0.77

00:15:55.000 You want to go back to the Jim Crow era. 0.53

00:15:58.000 That's where you see the use of ethno ethnic tribalism in the United States.

00:16:02.000 I didn't say Jim Crow.

00:16:03.000 I said one of our.

00:16:04.000 You're saying you're pushing segregation, so you view these people as inferior to you.

00:16:09.000 No, segregation means merely separating people, not subverting one over the other, not creating a power argument, simply separating them by skin color.

00:16:22.000 Right now, your audio is going on.

00:16:24.000 He's asking, Are you going to separate them by skin color, or what is the criteria for the separation?

00:16:31.000 Well, that you're speaking, allow me to explain because, yeah, so let Nick speak.

00:16:37.000 Let Nick speak.

00:16:39.000 I didn't actually.

00:16:40.000 I didn't actually.

00:16:41.000 I said the first thought, one of the options that we can do, you can say that, but it's just simply not true.

00:16:46.000 One of the options that we can do is segregation.

00:16:48.000 And like I said, if you look in Switzerland, for example, is a country that has tremendous ethnic diversity.

00:16:54.000 And the way that they're able to handle that is they have voluntary, but clearly demarcated different areas for the different ethnicities.

00:17:02.000 In Ethiopia, and in terms of where they live, in Ethiopia, they have ethnic federalism.

00:17:06.000 In Singapore, this is a great example.

00:17:08.000 One of the greatest statesmen in the 20th century was the founder of the modern state of Singapore.

00:17:12.000 He institutionalized these tribal differences.

00:17:14.000 And that's one route that we could go in.

00:17:16.000 Another route that we can go in is what people like American Renaissance advocate for, like Jira Taylor have advocated for, which is some form of voluntary segregation where people are simply allowed to live with who they want to live in.

00:17:28.000 Right now, you have different executive departments.

00:17:31.000 You're advocating for something that already exists.

00:17:34.000 That's actually not true.

00:17:36.000 You can voluntarily segregate anytime.

00:17:39.000 You want to keep interrupting me or do you want me to explain?

00:17:41.000 You keep saying you lost, you lost, but yet you have to interject because what I'm saying is.

00:17:46.000 Is just destroying the semi nationalist narrative.

00:17:48.000 No, that's actually not true.

00:17:51.000 They have enforced by the various executive departments diversity quotas in communities that are more than 50% white.

00:17:58.000 They have diversity quotas in businesses.

00:18:00.000 They have diversity quotas in schools.

00:18:02.000 So that's actually not the case.

00:18:03.000 You even look at public schools and what's been the law of the land since the 1950s is desegregation.

00:18:09.000 You're forced to live together in the same areas.

00:18:12.000 And so I think if we had some sort of voluntary sorting, I think people would eventually choose.

00:18:17.000 And we know that that would happen because if you look in any High school lunchroom.

00:18:21.000 This is my favorite example because it's so true and it's so primordial.

00:18:26.000 High school children are not yet indoctrinated into this.

00:18:29.000 They're not going to let their prejudices guide them.

00:18:32.000 There's no institutional law that says you have to interact with these people and so on.

00:18:36.000 And so, if you go into any high school lunchroom in America, you'll see this self segregation.

00:18:40.000 You'll see this self sorting on display.

00:18:42.000 If you go into a diverse lunchroom in high school, you'll see the Hispanic kids sitting with the Hispanics, the blacks with the blacks, the whites with the whites. 0.95

00:18:50.000 And that doesn't mean that. 0.93

00:18:51.000 One is inferior and one gets the bad drinking fountain because it's Jim Crow. 0.87

00:18:56.000 It means simply that people are allowed to live according to their own preferences, which is living among their own kind. 0.97

00:19:01.000 And that's one solution. 0.65

00:19:02.000 But point being, there are several avenues that we can go down.

00:19:05.000 You could go down the institutional route, you can go down the self segregation route.

00:19:09.000 There could be some kind of secession movement.

00:19:12.000 I don't know who's talking about that, but there are a lot of different areas we can explore.

00:19:16.000 Problem is, the scholarship is not there because, as you know, and I think it's fair to admit, that this topic has been censored and you're simply not allowed to talk about it because people.

00:19:25.000 People then start making accusations that if you believe in differences between people, you believe in superiority over people.

00:19:31.000 Oh, no.

00:19:32.000 One group is different than another.

00:19:34.000 You must naturally believe that one is inferior.

00:19:35.000 I mean, that's just what you said.

00:19:37.000 You just tried to dawn at me and say.

00:19:38.000 Listen, I think.

00:19:39.000 I think.

00:19:40.000 It was a nice little show.

00:19:44.000 It was great.

00:19:44.000 It was cute.

00:19:45.000 The bottom line is this, Nick.

00:19:47.000 Okay.

00:19:48.000 You just inferred something that I never even said.

00:19:50.000 I never.

00:19:51.000 I accused you because you said you want to segregate.

00:19:53.000 Listen, I said you want to segregate people based on their race, right?

00:19:57.000 So I'm arguing against it.

00:19:59.000 I'm arguing for somebody that's advocating for ethnic nationalism that wants to separate people on their race or religion or whatever the.

00:20:06.000 The arbitrary criteria that you would like to set up. 0.96

00:20:10.000 That's ridiculous. 0.77

00:20:11.000 We live in an advanced Western civilization. 0.98

00:20:14.000 Can you not get along with people?

00:20:14.000 How is it?

00:20:16.000 Is that the problem? 0.79

00:20:17.000 Can you not see an African American guy shake his hand, say, how's it going?

00:20:22.000 Become friends, something like that.

00:20:24.000 How are you going to advocate for the segregation of people like we're 100 years back?

00:20:30.000 We're in Jim Crow eras again. 0.88

00:20:31.000 This is what you're advocating for. 0.95

00:20:32.000 It's so barbaric and tribalistic in nature.

00:20:35.000 I don't even know where to start. 0.93

00:20:36.000 Michael.

00:20:37.000 My boy, you don't know where to start because you don't have any arguments.

00:20:42.000 Because you can sit there and you can say, This is outrageous.

00:20:45.000 You never answered my question.

00:20:47.000 How will ethnic nationalism work in the United States?

00:20:53.000 Wait, I just told you several avenues.

00:20:55.000 I just told you several avenues we could go.

00:20:57.000 You would like them, but I told you.

00:20:59.000 I believe, Mike, wasn't your original question?

00:21:01.000 Didn't you say, Where has ethnic nationalism worked in the world?

00:21:06.000 No.

00:21:07.000 Because I can name a few.

00:21:08.000 I mean, we have China, we have Taiwan, or whatever, we have Japan.

00:21:14.000 But still, there are different ethnic groups.

00:21:15.000 So, your question was you specifically want to know how it will work in the United States?

00:21:20.000 Yeah, well, he's advocating for ethnic nationalism. 0.61

00:21:23.000 I'd like to know how that ever would be a possibility or even a realm of possibility in the United States. 0.62

00:21:27.000 That's my question.

00:21:28.000 He gave me a big masquerade, a big show.

00:21:31.000 I can do voluntary secondary.

00:21:34.000 I can do voluntary secondary.

00:21:35.000 I can do two very distinct options.

00:21:37.000 Voluntary secondary.

00:21:37.000 Right.

00:21:38.000 Do you want me to do both?

00:21:40.000 I think, again.

00:21:42.000 I think him pointing out other countries where it has worked, I don't think is irrelevant.

00:21:49.000 I mean, if it's worked in other countries, it surely could work in the US, right?

00:21:55.000 Please allow me.

00:21:55.000 Baked, baked.

00:21:56.000 Please allow me to explain here.

00:21:58.000 Yes, Nicky, Nicky, boy.

00:22:00.000 Let Nick talk, bro.

00:22:02.000 Michael, Michael.

00:22:04.000 Now, here's what happens.

00:22:04.000 Michael talks.

00:22:07.000 You say, Nick, how could this work in America?

00:22:09.000 And I clearly differentiate that, first of all, We've basically conceded that we're not willing to talk about whether or not civic nationalism is viable.

00:22:17.000 We're not willing to talk about whether or not civic nationalism has worked.

00:22:20.000 We're only willing to say that ethnic nationalism simply doesn't have a plan for how it could be implemented, even though ethnic nationalism is not a program, it's not an ideology.

00:22:30.000 Ethnic nationalism is simply the reality that nation states tend not to work if the nation is not defined in some way, shape, or form by bloodline, by ancestry, by biology, whether that's ethnic, whether that's racial, it simply doesn't work.

00:22:44.000 And so, if we're going to gear our country, well, okay, but if you define nationality as citizenship, as anybody who comes across the border and signs a piece of paper, I signed on the dotted line and I took the test and I took the oath and I'm a citizen.

00:23:00.000 That's really an arbitrary definition of what it means to be an American.

00:23:03.000 I think being an American is a little bit more than a piece of paper.

00:23:07.000 Listen, let me give you an example, right?

00:23:09.000 We live in Western civilization.

00:23:10.000 Some of the best innovation has come out of our country.

00:23:13.000 These are the ideologies.

00:23:15.000 And morals and values that we have all embraced.

00:23:17.000 These are a lot of the things that are guaranteed in our constitution.

00:23:21.000 Nobody's saying that we need to bring people from the Middle East here that don't want to assimilate, that don't value our culture, that don't love our country, okay? 1.00

00:23:29.000 And then say, hey, we have to get along because that's not what I'm advocating for. 0.62

00:23:32.000 I'm saying the common denominator that brings people together, that unifies people, can be nationality.

00:23:38.000 It can be an American.

00:23:39.000 You're an African American.

00:23:41.000 You're a Jewish American, whatever the case may be.

00:23:43.000 You don't have to hold these people in a lower regard because of their race or religion or anything like that. 0.86

00:23:47.000 It's incredibly tribalistic.

00:23:49.000 I don't hold this.

00:23:49.000 Listen, I understand where you're coming from, where you're saying that there's differences between people, obviously.

00:23:57.000 But that doesn't mean there has to be the common denominator.

00:23:59.000 The only reason divide and conquer is being.

00:24:02.000 Pushed by the mainstream media, and that's why we're having such a divide in this country.

00:24:05.000 It's not because of race, it's not because of uh religion or anything like that.

00:24:10.000 And then calls for the means to actually segregate people based on that.

00:24:14.000 I think that you're very naive coming into politics.

00:24:16.000 I, you know, I think that you're not all the way there yet, and I think that you're advocating for segregation and this kind of nonsense.

00:24:23.000 This is what has to happen.

00:24:25.000 This is what you have to do.

00:24:27.000 This is what you have to do.

00:24:29.000 Michael, I don't even blame you.

00:24:32.000 I don't blame you.

00:24:35.000 You have to do this.

00:24:37.000 You have to do the charade where you use talking points.

00:24:40.000 There's no charade.

00:24:41.000 You know, it's divide and conquer.

00:24:43.000 It's tribalistic.

00:24:44.000 I don't think you understand the power dynamics.

00:24:46.000 And you have to throw in these talking points.

00:24:49.000 And you also have to throw in the condescension to say, Nikki boy, you're young.

00:24:52.000 And here's why.

00:24:52.000 You don't understand.

00:24:54.000 And here's why.

00:24:55.000 Here's why, though.

00:24:56.000 Here's why, my friend.

00:24:57.000 It's because if you go into the mainstream and you talk about this stuff, if you go into the mainstream and you say, look, I have no problem with black people, I can get along fine with them, I could get along with Hispanics and all the rest. 0.97

00:25:08.000 But if you go into the mainstream and And you say, even though I have no problem with them, I just don't think that in the long term the country can function without a super majority of a given ethnic group. 0.93

00:25:18.000 Do you know why? 1.00

00:25:19.000 You're not going to have a good time.

00:25:20.000 You're not going to succeed.

00:25:22.000 And that's because of people in the media. 0.62

00:25:25.000 And if you look at who controls the media, if the people who controlled the media were subject to ethnic national standards of national identity, they would be found in a very difficult position.

00:25:36.000 And I'll find, and I'll find, I think many people will find that the most vocal opponents of ethnic nationalism.

00:25:42.000 Are the ones that would probably not fare so well if we adopted it.

00:25:45.000 For example, R.C. Maxwell, who debated against me, was black.

00:25:49.000 No secret that he's a Wakandan. 1.00

00:25:51.000 You are Jewish. 0.94

00:25:52.000 And here is why a lot of people, and look, I'm just going to say it, but a lot of people are unwilling to look at the hard facts.

00:25:59.000 They're unwilling to look at the empirical, the historical, the theoretical case about ethnic nationalism because it would adversely and directly affect you.

00:26:09.000 Because, you know, you look at Jewish people in this country and they've, Been unassimilable for 2,000 years, for longer, for 2,500 years.

00:26:16.000 And they would suddenly be on the outside looking in.

00:26:18.000 They'd be facing a country with a very big majority, with a very strong national pride, national conviction, national identity.

00:26:26.000 And they'd be on the outside.

00:26:27.000 It would be very dangerous for them.

00:26:28.000 And that's why they're unwilling.

00:26:30.000 That's why they have to throw in, and you have to throw everything but the kitchen sink about you're young, it's barbaric.

00:26:36.000 But none of these come close to a substantive argument for how civic nationalism could ever be viable because it never has been.

00:26:43.000 Can you tell me a single Case in the history of the world when civic nationalism has created a prosperous nation and not led to ethnic conflict.

00:26:51.000 One, one, a single one.

00:26:53.000 We're living in it right now on this live stream right here.

00:26:57.000 We're living in the domestic United States.

00:26:58.000 It's going really well.

00:27:00.000 It's going really well.

00:27:01.000 So when we go to Los Angeles.

00:27:02.000 It's very funny.

00:27:03.000 Look, so what you're saying is you can't agree.

00:27:06.000 You're saying that you can't actually just talk to people.

00:27:10.000 You can't get along with people because they're a different being.

00:27:14.000 Well, that's what you're advocating.

00:27:15.000 That's not what I'm saying at all.

00:27:16.000 That's exactly what you said.

00:27:18.000 And then you want to segregate people.

00:27:19.000 That's not at all what I'm saying.

00:27:20.000 That's not at all what I'm saying.

00:27:22.000 I'm not saying anything about my individual capacity.

00:27:24.000 I don't think that you understand the power dynamics in the domestic United States.

00:27:27.000 I don't think you understand the liberal establishment has put themselves in all these positions of power.

00:27:32.000 I don't think that you understand that the mainstream media perpetuates a divide and conquer agenda and categorizes people in different groups to keep them from batting at each other. 0.99

00:27:41.000 I'm not giving you the bullshit. 0.99

00:27:42.000 I'm giving you the facts. 0.98

00:27:43.000 If you don't want to understand this or you can't recognize it, then honestly, I have no help for you because I can give you some facts here.

00:27:50.000 I can give you some facts.

00:27:51.000 Here's a really good one.

00:27:52.000 Are you ready for this one?

00:27:53.000 Can you answer my question first?

00:27:55.000 Because you still dilly-dally for the last half an hour and you still haven't.

00:27:58.000 Where is there?

00:27:59.000 What's the question?

00:28:01.000 The practical use of ethnic nationalism in the United States, the country in which you live and I live, how would that work?

00:28:09.000 And why are you based in the land of fantasy?

00:28:12.000 What would you do exactly?

00:28:14.000 I told you about self segregation. 1.00

00:28:16.000 I would get rid of any and all diversity, any and all forced, any and all. 1.00

00:28:20.000 That's simply not true. 1.00

00:28:22.000 Any and all forced.

00:28:23.000 We have the Jewish communities, we have the African American communities, we have the Hispanic communities. 0.95

00:28:27.000 That's simply not true.

00:28:28.000 That's simply not true.

00:28:30.000 What you want to do if you want to.

00:28:31.000 That's simply not true.

00:28:32.000 There are quotas.

00:28:34.000 Yes, there are quotas for neighborhoods where they force communities to open up low income housing if they have more than 50% white.

00:28:43.000 This was done in the Obama administration.

00:28:45.000 This was done in their housing.

00:28:46.000 What jurisdiction?

00:28:47.000 What municipality?

00:28:48.000 That was done by the Obama administration.

00:28:51.000 We will, to be fair, we do currently have a connection.

00:28:55.000 All municipalities, if they have more than 50% white, they have to have low income housing.

00:29:00.000 This was done in housing and urban development under the Obama administration. 0.95

00:29:04.000 And so we can get rid of all the diversity quotas, get rid of them.

00:29:04.000 You can look into that.

00:29:08.000 In colleges, get rid of them in businesses, get rid of them from the executive department, get rid of them for schools.

00:29:13.000 Why are the schools still integrated? 0.99

00:29:15.000 And then on top of that, end all immigration. 1.00

00:29:17.000 All immigration from the third world. 1.00

00:29:19.000 Wait a second. 1.00

00:29:20.000 You asked me the question.

00:29:21.000 Allow me to give you many things we could do here. 1.00

00:29:23.000 End all immigration, and especially from third world countries. 1.00

00:29:26.000 If you have any immigration at all, it should be merit based. 1.00

00:29:29.000 It should be based on who can speak English, and it should be given priority to Christians and people from Europe.

00:29:33.000 And that's what we should do there.

00:29:35.000 In terms of there should be some kind of factoring in of ethnic federalism in the country. 0.84

00:29:40.000 The only countries.

00:29:42.000 That are multi ethnic, that are multi racial.

00:29:44.000 The only countries that are multi ethnic or multi racial that have not descended into civil war or ethnic conflict or secession are countries where there is an accounting for tribalism in their constitution.

00:29:56.000 Ethiopia, Switzerland, Singapore, in all these countries where they manage to have different peoples living together, they have an accommodation for tribalism.

00:30:03.000 And that's one way we could do it.

00:30:05.000 But again, until and unless we get comfortable about talking about ethnic nationalism, none of these things can be explored, none of these things can be studied.

00:30:13.000 And that's where it's an asymmetrical position.

00:30:15.000 But wait, we've been talking about it, the nationalism, but you have yet to answer where there is a single successful example of civic nationalism where we've produced a country that can exist purely on the laurels of its civic nature, of its citizens.

00:30:29.000 It just simply isn't true.

00:30:30.000 And look, you could go to.

00:30:31.000 It is true.

00:30:31.000 It's right here.

00:30:32.000 We're living in the United States right now.

00:30:34.000 No, you're building on small little instances here and there and then constituting that as these stereotyping of a thousand entire people.

00:30:42.000 I hardly think the state of California is a small instance.

00:30:45.000 I could go out, I could get along with everybody.

00:30:47.000 I could go to America as a small instance.

00:30:48.000 I don't look at people based on their race or their religion or skin color.

00:30:52.000 You apparently do because you're based in identitarian politics.

00:30:55.000 This is the stuff perpetuated by the left, if anything.

00:30:58.000 That's what you have to understand.

00:31:00.000 We just got done saying.

00:31:01.000 Let me explain this to you very, very calmly and concise.

00:31:04.000 You don't see race.

00:31:06.000 You don't see race.

00:31:09.000 You're advocating for ethnic nationalism. 0.89

00:31:11.000 You're advocating for the segregation of people based on religion. 0.85

00:31:15.000 You're saying we should voluntarily let these people segregate to wherever they want. 0.70

00:31:19.000 We already have those things. 0.88

00:31:20.000 You can easily segregate to a different neighborhood and live in an all white community if you really want to. 0.74

00:31:25.000 You can live in an all Jewish community if you wanted to. 0.64

00:31:28.000 You can sit with all white people if you're really so much based in identity and identitarian politics, where you view someone instead of on their merit, their character, their personality, you know, whatever they bring to the table.

00:31:38.000 And you look at something so arbitrary as skin color and you say, This is what brings us together. 0.51

00:31:42.000 We have to stick together. 0.99

00:31:43.000 That's tribalistic and that's barbaric in nature.

00:31:45.000 That's actually, that's actually, and that's something, hold on a second. 1.00

00:31:49.000 And that's something that we would see in Muslim predominant countries in the Middle East, right?

00:31:53.000 Not in advanced Western countries. 0.83

00:31:55.000 Or in Israel, or we would see it in the Jewish state of Israel.

00:31:59.000 Actually, it's a civic nationalistic state if you think about it because there's only what 85% Jewish.

00:32:05.000 There is, but here's where you get segregation. 0.88

00:32:10.000 There's segregation between Palestinian. 0.62

00:32:13.000 There's a literal wall. 0.63

00:32:14.000 Oh my god, Nikki boy, listen, listen, you're based in ignorance, you're living in the land of fantasy.

00:32:20.000 Okay, all right, Israel has a lot of homonyms, but not a lot of facts.

00:32:24.000 Oh well, I'm trying to give them to you, but you don't want to listen.

00:32:27.000 Well, hey, to be fair, if you're gonna call Nick Nikki boy, that is a demeaning term.

00:32:32.000 I think I apologize.

00:32:33.000 I saw him talking a lot of stuff on Twitter.

00:32:37.000 No, it's blood sports.

00:32:41.000 It's fair game.

00:32:43.000 I'm working these pumps like I'm going to work. 1.00

00:32:45.000 Mike, Mike, you said some crazy shit on Twitter. 0.99

00:32:47.000 So I thought it was good. 1.00

00:32:48.000 I was out there pumping.

00:32:49.000 I responded back to him.

00:32:51.000 I said, hey, Nikki boy, look, you're a young guy.

00:32:53.000 I understand.

00:32:54.000 So look, anyway, let me get back to the point.

00:32:56.000 Israel has a lot of different groups.

00:32:57.000 Are you finished yet?

00:32:59.000 No, let me finish, guy.

00:33:01.000 Come on.

00:33:02.000 All right, go right ahead.

00:33:03.000 Are you going to apologize?

00:33:03.000 Go right ahead.

00:33:05.000 For interrupting me, are you going to apologize for interrupting me?

00:33:09.000 We've been on kind of a run on here.

00:33:11.000 We're going all over the place.

00:33:12.000 We're going back and forth.

00:33:14.000 All right.

00:33:16.000 Anyway, Israel is a great example because the culture, the underlying culture, the common denominator of the culture as well as the citizenship is what unites the general populace.

00:33:27.000 And of course, you have different fringe areas, you have different religions, you have different races, you have different skin color, et cetera.

00:33:32.000 But that doesn't mean to say that you need to judge somebody based on that.

00:33:35.000 And hold them in a lower regard because of it, right?

00:33:38.000 And in the case in the United States of America, the only reason we have a divide and conquer agenda is because they don't want people united.

00:33:45.000 You're looking at something and saying it must be skin color or it must be religion that's dividing people.

00:33:50.000 It's not, it's the power dynamic and the internal structure of the mainstream media and the influence they hold over the minds of the masses.

00:33:56.000 And when you can advocate for something, it's actually very much true.

00:34:01.000 And that's who's pushing the divide and conquer agenda.

00:34:03.000 We can, I'm saying, let's differentiate our two.

00:34:07.000 We can all unite as American citizens regardless of your race.

00:34:10.000 Now, that is not to constitute as we need to bring in all of these other people and have them immigrate into the States and have them not assimilate or have them hold no American values, et cetera. 0.54

00:34:20.000 Anyone that wants to immigrate into the United States should assimilate into our culture, number one.

00:34:24.000 They should hold the same values and they should love America, right?

00:34:27.000 So, we're not talking about Sharia law.

00:34:29.000 We're not talking about bringing in people that advocate for something that supersedes our constitution or supersedes the cultures and values that are instilled to all of us as Americans.

00:34:38.000 So, I saw it in the Richard Spencer debate.

00:34:41.000 I said a talking point like that, and they said, Oh, well, you're advocating to bring as many Muslims in as possible.

00:34:45.000 Not true at all.

00:34:47.000 Actually, zero.

00:34:48.000 My immigration policy is easy.

00:34:49.000 We have 96 million people without jobs in the United States of America.

00:34:54.000 Why are we going to bring in 10 million people?

00:34:56.000 All right, all right.

00:34:57.000 This is a filibuster.

00:34:58.000 Baked, baked.

00:34:59.000 You got to put a cap on this.

00:35:00.000 This is a filibuster.

00:35:01.000 Okay, okay.

00:35:02.000 Anyway, I gave you the time.

00:35:04.000 Nick needs all the time.

00:35:08.000 You've given me a lot to work with here, and I'll start out by saying, You go from in the beginning of the debate saying you acknowledge that groups are different.

00:35:17.000 You started out from the beginning of the debate saying, You are inferring about me that I don't see differences between people when actually I do.

00:35:24.000 But then you follow up just now by saying, I don't see skin color.

00:35:28.000 I'm able to interact with all kinds of people.

00:35:29.000 So that's number one.

00:35:31.000 Don't put words in the debate.

00:35:32.000 Let me finish.

00:35:33.000 Hey, hey, we allowed you to go on.

00:35:35.000 You can respond.

00:35:36.000 Let him finish.

00:35:38.000 We went on then to this idea that self segregation is possible in the country today, something which is increasingly untrue, not just because of quota.

00:35:48.000 Policies, which you continue to, I guess, just simply ignore the fact that if you go into a business, they have racial quotas.

00:35:54.000 They have to hire a certain amount of people from certain races in universities and public schools where they force integration.

00:36:00.000 So, simply not true on that count.

00:36:01.000 In another count, if you look at the 14th Amendment or the Civil Rights Act in 1964, you're not allowed to discriminate with your business.

00:36:09.000 You're not allowed to discriminate with anything else.

00:36:11.000 And it's funny because certain groups can discriminate. 0.99

00:36:13.000 If blacks say that this is our thing and we're going to discriminate against white people, that's okay. 0.94

00:36:18.000 But whites can't do the same. 0.99

00:36:20.000 And then, thirdly and lastly, the biggest one is immigration. 0.95

00:36:23.000 Is immigration.

00:36:24.000 We're not allowed to choose to self segregate because the globalist elite is bringing people over here by the millions.

00:36:30.000 And like it or not, by 2050 or 2060, whether you agree with it or not, the civic nationalist program has white Americans becoming a minority in the country, 40% by I think it's 2065.

00:36:43.000 And so then we'll be forced to integrate with other people, we'll be forced to be among other people.

00:36:49.000 There'll be no chance of self segregation there.

00:36:51.000 So there's that issue.

00:36:52.000 Then on to the case of Israel. 0.69

00:36:53.000 You say, we're not like the Muslim countries where they segregate and all the rest. 0.90

00:36:58.000 When in fact, the biggest segregator of them all, maybe not the biggest, but a big one, is Israel, where, and granted, it's not 100% Jewish. 0.68

00:37:05.000 I don't think anybody ever claimed there was 100% Jewish. 0.66

00:37:08.000 What makes Israel abide, I let you finish, what makes Israel abide by ethnic nationalism is that they were explicitly founded.

00:37:16.000 It is in their constitution that they are the Jewish state for the Jewish people, the Jewish homeland.

00:37:22.000 And they mean ethnically Jewish, they don't mean religious, they mean ethnically Jewish.

00:37:27.000 And that makes it an ethnic country.

00:37:28.000 And they can have other people in there.

00:37:30.000 But by the same token, they make it clear this is a Jewish country.

00:37:33.000 They clearly demarcate between the Muslim neighborhoods in Jerusalem.

00:37:37.000 They distinguish between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank in Israel. 0.77

00:37:41.000 Additionally, they have active policies where they resettle black Jews, where the black Jews come into Israel and they say, Not going to happen. 0.98

00:37:48.000 And they say, You either take $3,000 and you get the hell out or we throw you in jail. 0.99

00:37:52.000 They've been found.

00:37:54.000 What did they do with the black Israelis? 1.00

00:37:56.000 I think they secretly put in birth control for the black ones. 1.00

00:37:59.000 I mean, some pretty heinous stuff. 0.99

00:38:00.000 So, If that were the policy, additionally, you're talking about the Israel interracial marriage.

00:38:06.000 Interracial marriage is illegal in Israel.

00:38:08.000 It's against the law to marry outside of your race in Israel. 0.82

00:38:11.000 If you're for that in America, if that's your civic nationalism, hey, maybe there's something to it.

00:38:15.000 So that's the Israel issue. 0.51

00:38:17.000 And then what was the last thing?

00:38:19.000 You talked a lot.

00:38:21.000 You talked a lot.

00:38:22.000 You went again into I didn't answer all the arguments.

00:38:24.000 You had one last argument.

00:38:26.000 Nick needs to answer.

00:38:28.000 That this is tribalism and that the tribalism, and here's, I think, something interesting.

00:38:33.000 You keep saying, It's tribalism and it's barbaric.

00:38:36.000 It's barbaric.

00:38:37.000 It's not Western.

00:38:38.000 And I think we have to distinguish here because there's a difference between barbarism, which is a very loaded term, and something which is tribal, something which is primitive, which I think, as try as we might to rationalize society, try as we might to build up society according to our theories and designs, there is something innate in our nature.

00:38:58.000 There are things in our nature that will never progress.

00:39:01.000 I think liberals are progressives.

00:39:03.000 And I see you as a classical liberal in the sense that you believe these primitive, Tribal instincts that are intrinsic to our nature can be overcome.

00:39:10.000 We can progress beyond them.

00:39:12.000 We're Western.

00:39:13.000 We can hold ourselves to a higher standard and we can abrogate, we can just get rid of this intrinsic primitive tribal nature.

00:39:20.000 And I'm saying I don't, I simply don't think that's possible.

00:39:23.000 And I don't say that because I think like some races are inferior.

00:39:27.000 You know, you keep saying you want to put people above and below.

00:39:30.000 I'm just saying we're different and we're tribal people.

00:39:33.000 We like people that look like us, that have similar mannerisms, similar customs.

00:39:38.000 And the facts support this.

00:39:39.000 And the facts support this.

00:39:41.000 So you can respond to that.

00:39:44.000 Let me address a few different things here.

00:39:46.000 Okay.

00:39:47.000 Number one, Mike, real quick, real quick before you go, I'm going to read a couple of these Streamlabs donations.

00:39:53.000 It's been already almost an hour, and I do like what you guys are talking about.

00:39:57.000 Yeah, dude, it seems like, well, you were sort of late, so maybe it's not been a full hour.

00:40:03.000 But no, this is going by very quick.

00:40:06.000 This is very fun.

00:40:07.000 So write down in your notes, make sure to remember where you're at, Mike, and I'll let you pick up right after I read a couple of these.

00:40:14.000 So, LM, $5.

00:40:15.000 Mike, how do we get 90%? 0.85

00:40:18.000 African Americans to vote for the Republicans. 0.95

00:40:21.000 Also, shouldn't there be a one state solution in Israel? 0.84

00:40:24.000 If not, why not? 0.58

00:40:27.000 So I'm just going to keep going through these.

00:40:29.000 You can answer them at the end or if something comes out.

00:40:32.000 Meme Berlay with a dollar.

00:40:34.000 Mike's argument against segregation is basically it's the current year.

00:40:41.000 Oh, you don't like that guy?

00:40:43.000 All right.

00:40:44.000 IR Exit 2018.

00:40:46.000 Hey, man, I used to like you baked. 1.00

00:40:48.000 You're no different from charcoal burning Jew Lauren Southern. 1.00

00:40:53.000 You're not original. 1.00

00:40:54.000 Leave sports to Andy and JF.

00:40:57.000 Hey, thank you for the money, guy.

00:40:59.000 Appreciate you.

00:41:02.000 I tell people my favorite donations are actually the hate donations.

00:41:06.000 It's like, wow, you hate me enough to give me your money.

00:41:09.000 I do appreciate that.

00:41:11.000 Paul Star with the five bucks.

00:41:13.000 Come on, guys, show Baked some love.

00:41:17.000 P.S. Mikey Boy is an idiot with nothing but straw mans. 1.00

00:41:21.000 Straw mans. 1.00

00:41:23.000 Miller with the five bucks. 0.53

00:41:26.000 Thank you, buddy.

00:41:27.000 Mike Tokes is terrified of Bryden Proctor, but is not terrified of Lumer's wet bread. 0.98

00:41:35.000 And then he says, I can't say everything that he said, but he basically says, you have a gay scarf. 0.98

00:41:43.000 It's a boot coat. 0.96

00:41:44.000 I think you're wearing a scarf.

00:41:45.000 There's no scarf.

00:41:46.000 You got a tie on.

00:41:47.000 You look nice.

00:41:48.000 You look great today, Mike.

00:41:50.000 And then Rabbi Tokowitzbaum.

00:41:54.000 With $7.42.

00:41:57.000 Mike, you are not slimy enough in this debate.

00:42:00.000 You are hereby disinvited for our next child sacrifice at Shalom Temple. 0.94

00:42:07.000 So, not really sure what that is, but thank you very much, Rabbi Toko. 0.76

00:42:13.000 And yeah, so those are up.

00:42:15.000 We just got another one.

00:42:18.000 And every 10 minutes or so, I will be reading these from Bork Bork $5.

00:42:23.000 Thank you, buddy.

00:42:24.000 The amount of blatant Talmudic.

00:42:29.000 Reinterpretation on Mike's part of everything Nick says is disheartening. 0.99

00:42:33.000 Also, Americanism means nothing when Jewish globalists bring in any low IQ street shitter from the third world to replace natives here for shekels. 0.99

00:42:45.000 Wow, that was a tongue twister. 1.00

00:42:48.000 Crashed Pelican with the five bucks.

00:42:51.000 These debates are pointless.

00:42:53.000 We should be prepping and educating for the future of our nation.

00:42:57.000 True.

00:42:59.000 I think these debates are good.

00:43:01.000 I think part of this is prepping, obviously, yes, and educating for the future of our nation.

00:43:08.000 And I think this is part of the dialogue that we need to have.

00:43:11.000 We need to talk these ideas out.

00:43:14.000 I mean, from me listening to just having people on my show, from the Kumite, from Andy Iworski Live, from JF's channel, even some other channels, smaller channels, I've learned a lot about everything that's going on.

00:43:30.000 I've actually altered some of my opinions.

00:43:33.000 I think having a free marketplace of ideas is the best way to get all the ideas out.

00:43:42.000 I think Blood Sports is the best way.

00:43:44.000 We're hitting them head on.

00:43:45.000 Instead of having these passive aggressive fights for a year on Twitter, we're just talking about them head on.

00:43:52.000 And even if it gets slimy or dirty, hey, that's how politics has always been.

00:43:59.000 Look at the.

00:44:00.000 Anyways, Mike, you were talking about.

00:44:04.000 No, no, no.

00:44:05.000 The question for the super chat.

00:44:08.000 Which question?

00:44:09.000 There were a couple of them.

00:44:10.000 It was like the first one or two where they asked.

00:44:13.000 Oh, yes, right.

00:44:14.000 So why don't you start with this?

00:44:15.000 So it says, Mike, how do we get 90% African Americans?

00:44:20.000 To vote for the Republicans? 0.72

00:44:21.000 Also, shouldn't there be a one state solution in Israel?

00:44:25.000 If not, why not? 0.71

00:44:28.000 The bottom line is that, yeah, I think it was something like 90% of African Americans voted for Barack Obama, 90% vote Democrat. 0.98

00:44:35.000 You have to red pill the populace. 0.71

00:44:37.000 And there's a big cultural difference between the African American community and a lot of other communities that are more involved in politics and a little bit more politically inclined. 0.51

00:44:45.000 Most people have been so marginalized by the political system and the atmosphere that exists in the United States that they immediately shun politics.

00:44:54.000 And due to cognitive dissonance, they don't want to hear anything else that hasn't been propagated by the mainstream media every day on the nightly news.

00:45:02.000 So I think the biggest thing is controlling the information.

00:45:04.000 We want to have as many social media influencers.

00:45:06.000 We want to be pushing the Overton window.

00:45:08.000 And I do appreciate Nick actually for pushing the window because ultimately, the more radical we are in our thoughts, the more we become critical thinking, the more that we can question that authority and question what we're hearing on the TV or hearing in the newspaper and start thinking to ourselves and say, hey, maybe this is a more cynical agenda at hand.

00:45:26.000 Maybe that they are manipulating you to believe that.

00:45:29.000 You should vote for Democrats when these are going to be the same exact people that ultimately say whatever they can and champion.

00:45:35.000 They pretend to be champions of the poor and the middle class, and they're champions of minorities.

00:45:40.000 But ultimately, the only thing and the only reason they say these things are to get your vote.

00:45:44.000 And then they go and represent the corporate interests that bankroll their campaign as soon as they get elected.

00:45:48.000 So I think the biggest thing is red pilling the people, convincing them that, hey, this is the inner dynamics of government.

00:45:54.000 This is the power structures that exist today.

00:45:56.000 This is who owns the mainstream media.

00:45:58.000 These are the executives that are pushing in the narrative and are ultimately.

00:46:01.000 Very biased and filtered in the way that they construct the news.

00:46:05.000 And you can't be looking at the meme accounts too, because we're buying up as many meme accounts and pushing conservative news through them, while we have recognized that the left and the liberal establishment is buying up meme accounts to shape public opinion to push people to vote for Democrats.

00:46:18.000 So it's kind of like a proxy war behind the scenes.

00:46:20.000 Ultimately, we need to get as many people involved.

00:46:22.000 And I'm going to have Nick respond here in a second, but I just want to point out I'm just telling you what we've had.

00:46:29.000 I've had a lot of these similar debates recently.

00:46:31.000 And so, because I do want to move this conversation forward.

00:46:35.000 Basically, what most people have said is sure, that's a noble cause and that's something really great that we want to get 90% of African Americans to vote Democrat.

00:46:49.000 Of course, of course we do.

00:46:52.000 Republican.

00:46:53.000 Yes, Republican, conservative.

00:46:55.000 But the issue that's coming.

00:46:57.000 Freudian slip there.

00:47:00.000 Wait, what happened?

00:47:03.000 I said Freudian slip there.

00:47:04.000 You're a Democrat agent.

00:47:07.000 Oh, he's an operative now.

00:47:09.000 I'm joking.

00:47:10.000 Can we move it along a little bit?

00:47:11.000 Okay, okay, good.

00:47:12.000 I'm trying to get some blood.

00:47:14.000 I want a blood.

00:47:15.000 Hey, calm it down.

00:47:16.000 Calm it down, Nick.

00:47:17.000 We're going to let you get some blood, Nick.

00:47:18.000 I'm cool.

00:47:19.000 I'm cool.

00:47:20.000 Get the knife.

00:47:21.000 Get the knife.

00:47:23.000 It's time.

00:47:27.000 But the issue that most people have said is that even with doing all these meme accounts, reaching out to the black community, going full force on getting minorities to vote conservative, even with the full MAGA Trump campaign, 2016 with the meme squad.

00:47:45.000 Even with that, we only got 11% of the vote for Trump.

00:47:52.000 We don't have the infrastructure.

00:47:53.000 So I think the question needs to evolve to, I think we need a better answer. 0.84

00:47:58.000 Like, how do we get 11% sucks, dude?

00:48:02.000 How do we get that to 30%? 0.88

00:48:04.000 How do we get that to 50%?

00:48:06.000 You control the information.

00:48:07.000 You control the media.

00:48:08.000 You control the meme accounts.

00:48:09.000 You buy up all of them and you push and shape public opinion subliminally.

00:48:13.000 This is what every person that understands media.

00:48:16.000 No, this is exactly how you shape public opinion.

00:48:19.000 This is exactly how you change people's minds.

00:48:22.000 I live in Los Angeles.

00:48:23.000 I know some of the biggest Hispanic activists that are so pro Trump.

00:48:26.000 It's incredible.

00:48:27.000 20% Hispanics voted.

00:48:29.000 And I'm saying, hold on, four years ago, 20% Hispanics voted for Republicans.

00:48:37.000 In the Trump era, it was 30%. 0.98

00:48:40.000 So there is very good hope.

00:48:41.000 And it's all about the left can manipulate culture.

00:48:44.000 They have the infrastructure to do so.

00:48:46.000 A lot of the times, these leftist big tech companies that are record labels and other entertainment firms use these people as pawns to advance their agenda.

00:48:55.000 So we need consultants.

00:48:56.000 All right, yeah, we've heard that.

00:48:57.000 Okay, yeah, we've heard that.

00:48:59.000 That's the bottom line.

00:49:03.000 One in 10 first generation Hispanic immigrants identify as Republican.

00:49:07.000 One in 10. 0.53

00:49:08.000 And while you're out there being a social media influencer and people are out there manipulating public opinion and adjusting the subconscious, Meanwhile, you have an invasion going on at our southern border.

00:49:19.000 And by the way, they're pouring into California, but they're also pouring into Texas and they're pouring into Arizona and Florida, Georgia, all the states.

00:49:29.000 And in 10, 15 years, the country's going to go blue.

00:49:33.000 And here's the problem, though.

00:49:34.000 But here's the problem.

00:49:35.000 I know.

00:49:35.000 We can talk about social media influence and all the rest.

00:49:38.000 But here's the problem.

00:49:39.000 When the country goes blue, because Texas goes blue and Florida goes blue and all the rest, what happens next? 0.99

00:49:45.000 They open the floodgates for more immigration. 0.97

00:49:48.000 They get rid of the First Amendment, they get rid of the Second Amendment. 0.92

00:49:51.000 And then all this stuff about we're going to influence, it's just not going to happen.

00:49:54.000 It's just not going to happen. 0.50

00:49:55.000 And additionally, we talk about, I think it's kind of funny the contradiction, the premise here that we talk about blacks are voting.

00:50:02.000 They didn't vote 90% for Barack Obama.

00:50:05.000 They voted 98% for Barack Obama in 08.

00:50:08.000 98%.

00:50:09.000 You don't even get, even if you rig elections, those kinds of margins.

00:50:14.000 Saddam Hussein, Joseph Stalin, they did not get 97, 98% of the vote.

00:50:19.000 So they voted 97%, 98% for Barack Obama.

00:50:22.000 But think of it.

00:50:23.000 And what you're saying is two things.

00:50:25.000 Either you're saying they're primitive and they're barbaric because they're voting in their tribal interest. 0.50

00:50:31.000 Either you're saying blacks are primitive and barbaric because they're voting for tribalism, or you're saying they're not voting for tribalism. 0.80

00:50:38.000 They've just simply been brainwashed by the mainstream media, in which case you're denying that black people have agency. 0.98

00:50:45.000 You're saying that black people are not competent to develop their own views and opinions. 0.98

00:50:49.000 There's not a spread because if it's not tribalism, well, then they must just be incompetent. 0.98

00:50:54.000 Well, I'm not putting words in your mouth, but these are the fundamental.

00:50:58.000 The premise necessitates that you have these.

00:51:02.000 It's the only way you could cut it.

00:51:03.000 I mean, what's the other explanation?

00:51:05.000 Everybody else seems to get along just fine. 0.85

00:51:07.000 White people seem to choose just fine, but you seem to have it that they have no agency, and that's why they need to be, in your own words, subliminally programmed through buying meme accounts. 0.98

00:51:18.000 I mean, it's just waking people up. 0.69

00:51:19.000 It's so funny how civic nationalists will pin us as the white supremacists. 0.96

00:51:23.000 I don't see black people in the need of programming. 0.99

00:51:26.000 Do you think black people are primitive, Mike? 1.00

00:51:28.000 You need response. 0.99

00:51:30.000 Of course not.

00:51:30.000 He just gave me two derelict answers and said, Choose one.

00:51:33.000 I'm not going to choose either.

00:51:34.000 I don't think you understand the power dynamic of things.

00:51:37.000 I don't think you understand what the media's job is.

00:51:40.000 The only reason billion.

00:51:42.000 Listen, listen.

00:51:42.000 I don't know.

00:51:44.000 Why isn't this working?

00:51:45.000 Why aren't the meme accounts.

00:51:47.000 Because the infrastructure and the people that are influencing culture and the people that are manipulating culture and the people that are influencing our nation's youth through the mainstream media and other outlets of media are almost 95% leftist, liberal aligned.

00:52:01.000 We have one conservative outlet.

00:52:03.000 That's Fox News.

00:52:04.000 Every single other outlet that is major is conservative.

00:52:09.000 How come the majority of white people went for Donald Trump?

00:52:13.000 It's not a basis of what about white or what about black.

00:52:16.000 It's about waking people up and saying, hey, this is what's happening in government.

00:52:19.000 Many have been disenfranchised for far too long and they don't recognize what's happening.

00:52:24.000 That's why they're being manipulated.

00:52:25.000 As soon as they wake up to that moment, they don't recognize what's happening. 1.00

00:52:28.000 Black people don't. 1.00

00:52:29.000 Really? 0.96

00:52:30.000 Because we have plenty of white people that voted for Obama. 1.00

00:52:34.000 We have plenty of white people that voted for Hillary.

00:52:38.000 But the majority of white people voted for Trump.

00:52:41.000 And then you wanted to base the immigration policy.

00:52:43.000 And then you wanted to base the immigration policy.

00:52:45.000 And then you said, oh, Texas is going to turn blue, or this is going to turn blue.

00:52:48.000 You brought in immigration when we haven't even talked about that.

00:52:51.000 You're saying that, oh, okay, the only thing we, while we're attempting to wake people up, everything's going to turn blue in the meantime.

00:52:57.000 I already told you my immigration policy. 1.00

00:52:59.000 I don't want any immigrants until we have an unemployment rate below 2% and we get 97 million unemployed Americans jobs, because then ultimately everyone that comes in is competing. 1.00

00:53:08.000 So I think that we can agree on that, correct? 1.00

00:53:11.000 Well, I'm telling you that that's why it's a false premise. 0.99

00:53:15.000 I brought in immigration to demonstrate that. 1.00

00:53:17.000 You know, you're the one that's telling me you need to come up with solutions, otherwise, you're living in fantasy land. 1.00

00:53:22.000 And no, I'm talking about it's not okay, but it's not practical and it's not a solution. 1.00

00:53:33.000 Even if you build your infrastructure, you're still going to have minorities voting this way. 0.95

00:53:39.000 And in you know, maybe the timeline is 25 years if you're being benevolent, and in that span of time, the country is gone, the country is surrendered to left leaning. 0.62

00:53:50.000 Liberal minorities.

00:53:51.000 Hey, hey, in what circumstances? 0.99

00:53:53.000 You're basically a land of fantasy.

00:53:55.000 That can never work.

00:53:57.000 We have to fundamentally define what it means to be an American.

00:54:01.000 Under your premise, it goes away.

00:54:03.000 Your solution is not practical because it won't work.

00:54:06.000 And you're going to sit here and say, oh, you don't have a practical solution.

00:54:09.000 That's why your ideology is bust.

00:54:10.000 And your solution is we have to buy more meme accounts.

00:54:13.000 And if we get enough meme accounts.

00:54:15.000 You don't even have to understand the dynamics of the player.

00:54:21.000 More meme accounts.

00:54:22.000 Look, you don't.

00:54:24.000 More meme accounts.

00:54:25.000 It's like Andrew Bradford said, politics is right down the road from culture.

00:54:30.000 So the meme accounts, the entertainment, the industry, the musicians, the artists, all of them need to be pushing a conservative message.

00:54:36.000 We have all of them that are right now 90% pushing liberal.

00:54:40.000 That's how they manipulate culture.

00:54:42.000 That's how the liberal establishment claims into these positions of power and perpetuates what they're talking through.

00:54:49.000 Approximately how many meme accounts do we need?

00:54:52.000 It doesn't matter.

00:54:53.000 All I'm saying is the individual.

00:54:54.000 You have a specific number of meme accounts that we need.

00:54:56.000 You said, look, look.

00:54:58.000 Your argument was this.

00:55:00.000 Actually, you didn't have an argument.

00:55:01.000 You just negated my argument.

00:55:02.000 I said we need to control the information because we can control the minds of the masses.

00:55:05.000 We can wake people up to the inner dynamics of government because we can have our own infrastructure, like our own media and our own artists and all this kind of stuff.

00:55:13.000 You said that'll never happen because they're going to flood in south of the border. 0.94

00:55:16.000 Well, if I got what I wanted, we wouldn't have any immigration until we have 97 million Americans that are out of work employed, right? 0.66

00:55:23.000 So we're fighting every single day.

00:55:25.000 I'm working on six congressional campaigns in the state of California. 0.54

00:55:28.000 We're fighting to reduce immigration until we have Americans that have, until we don't have homeless Americans, until we don't have.

00:55:35.000 Unemployed Americans, and we have 97, one third of the country, which is so.

00:55:39.000 Your argument was based in falsehoods and fallacy because you related immigration into a topic that wasn't even concerning.

00:55:46.000 I'm talking about a way to change someone's opinion.

00:55:48.000 You're talking about it doesn't matter because the question you don't seem to be asking yourself the question you don't seem to be asking yourself is why?

00:55:56.000 Why do we need to do this? 0.82

00:55:57.000 Why do we need why do blacks vote 97% for somebody that looks like them? 1.00

00:56:03.000 I mean, that's the question that seems to kind of beguile you. 1.00

00:56:05.000 Say, no, actually, you can't answer it.

00:56:07.000 You say. 0.90

00:56:08.000 The reason that blacks vote 97% is because the media tells them to. 0.95

00:56:13.000 The left wing controls the culture. 0.98

00:56:14.000 The left wing controls the culture.

00:56:15.000 They have very strong influence over the minds of many.

00:56:17.000 Black people, not because of tribalism, not because of a group interest, not because of a tribal identity, because of the left wing media, 97% of them go for Barack Obama.

00:56:30.000 And you know, I think that's a convincing argument.

00:56:32.000 When they put up Barack Obama, the first black serious candidate for president, and almost 100% of them went for Barack Obama, I thought.

00:56:40.000 That had nothing to do with his race.

00:56:42.000 That had nothing to do with tribalism.

00:56:44.000 That's because they went and watched Inside Out.

00:56:47.000 That's because they went and watched Toy Story 3.

00:56:49.000 I'm sure.

00:56:49.000 Listen, listen.

00:56:50.000 Come on.

00:56:51.000 You're being unrealistic.

00:56:52.000 But that's not it.

00:56:53.000 You're being unrealistic.

00:56:54.000 You're arguing that's okay.

00:56:55.000 If it was, there's two.

00:56:57.000 We were talking about the African American community voting for Democrats.

00:57:02.000 And now you're saying the tribalistic nature of them because they voted for Barack Obama. 0.66

00:57:06.000 Or they have no agency.

00:57:07.000 But there's no in the middle.

00:57:08.000 But there's no in the middle there.

00:57:10.000 Either they're engaging in tribalism, in which case.

00:57:13.000 You disavow and there it's primitive and barbaric, or they're so low agency, they're so low IQ that we cannot possibly fight for things all by themselves. 0.94

00:57:23.000 Even the whites, the majority of whites can figure out. 0.71

00:57:25.000 You're getting worked up.

00:57:26.000 You're getting worked up.

00:57:27.000 Let me tell you what it is.

00:57:28.000 100% of them need some special assistance.

00:57:32.000 That's wonderful.

00:57:32.000 Okay, great.

00:57:33.000 I know you're getting a little worked up.

00:57:34.000 Just relax for a second.

00:57:35.000 Take it easy.

00:57:35.000 I'm going to tell you why what you're saying is completely false.

00:57:39.000 Number one, the power structures that exist, you have the media, you have all of these things.

00:57:44.000 They're manipulating people.

00:57:45.000 The people that have been disenfranchised by the political system, the people that have been marginalized, they want to hear a politician say, I'll give you everything you need.

00:57:53.000 I'll champion for the poor. 1.00

00:57:55.000 And they believe the bullshit that the Democrats spew. 0.99

00:57:58.000 And then as soon as they get elected, they represent the same corporate interests. 1.00

00:58:01.000 It's just a play.

00:58:02.000 And most Democrats belong in Hollywood more than anything.

00:58:05.000 They're being lied to.

00:58:06.000 They're being lied to.

00:58:06.000 Listen to me.

00:58:07.000 They're being manipulated.

00:58:08.000 First, we were talking about Democrats.

00:58:11.000 We were talking about the African American community voting for Democrats.

00:58:14.000 Then you switched it.

00:58:15.000 And inferred that all African Americans are tribalist because they voted for Barack Obama in 1997.

00:58:20.000 97% of them are. 0.65

00:58:21.000 97% of them are.

00:58:22.000 The 3% are good.

00:58:24.000 And many of them also voted as well. 0.60

00:58:26.000 Okay, I think we've talked about this subject.

00:58:29.000 I think we've sort of hit a dead end on it.

00:58:30.000 So I do want to get into it, we've talked about the U.S. on this topic, but I do want to start talking about other countries.

00:58:40.000 So I know you can say, oh, it will never work in the U.S., and that is a.

00:58:45.000 But it doesn't relate to us.

00:58:46.000 Baked. 1.00

00:58:47.000 I don't want to talk about other countries like China or Japan. 0.58

00:58:50.000 I understand that they have a complete different set of values.

00:58:52.000 They have a complete different set of culture.

00:58:54.000 They have different laws and different rules and regulations that they have to abide by.

00:59:00.000 We're living in the United States, all three of us right now, right? 0.88

00:59:03.000 So, Nick is advocating for ethnic nationalism.

00:59:05.000 And the difference between me and civic nationalism is I'm not looking at somebody by their race or their religion and saying we need to segregate people like we're in Jim Crow eras, which I believe to be incredibly barbaric. 0.58

00:59:16.000 I'll say it one more time. 0.69

00:59:17.000 I believe that it doesn't matter.

00:59:18.000 Our common denominator is that we're American citizens.

00:59:21.000 Okay.

00:59:21.000 Well, for a couple minutes here, I would like, if this interests Nick, to just talk about.

00:59:31.000 Japan, talk about Israel.

00:59:34.000 Let's talk about some of the places that ethnic nationalism has worked.

00:59:38.000 I'm not saying, of course, I'm not saying that they are the same nations as the U.S., but I just want to talk about this for a second.

00:59:46.000 No one's arguing that it can't work.

00:59:48.000 I'm just saying it can't work in the United States.

00:59:50.000 I'm arguing civilization can't work anywhere at all.

00:59:54.000 And I have, and here, if we could start on the topic of other countries.

00:59:57.000 It works right here.

00:59:58.000 Okay, good.

00:59:59.000 Let Nick talk for a second.

01:00:00.000 Talk about the other countries.

01:00:02.000 So let's look at the record here.

01:00:04.000 Now, the top 10 countries by ethnic diversity, the top 10 civic nationalist countries, I guess you could say by their ethnic diversity, let's go through them.

01:00:14.000 And then we'll go through some of the ethnic nationalist ones.

01:00:17.000 And we'll kind of gauge where we're headed here because we were ethnic nationalist right up until 1965.

01:00:23.000 And now we've been gradually drifting towards civic nationalism.

01:00:26.000 And we're still majority white.

01:00:28.000 So I wouldn't, I mean, we're kind of there. 0.92

01:00:29.000 I think once you pass the threshold of 80%, you're there.

01:00:31.000 So you've only been civic nationalist for about 25 years.

01:00:35.000 Let's look at these countries to get an idea of where we're headed, and we'll select one.

01:00:39.000 So, in terms of ethnic diversity, these are the most civic nationalist countries.

01:00:43.000 We have Papua New Guinea, Tanzania, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Uganda, Liberia, Cameroon, Togo, South Africa, the Congo, and Madagascar.

01:00:53.000 These are the top 10 civic nationalist countries.

01:00:56.000 And then let's look at the top 10 ethnic nationalist countries.

01:00:59.000 We've got South Korea, Japan, Israel, Italy, Portugal, Poland, Greece, the Netherlands, Yemen, And Haiti.

01:01:08.000 And so we've got a pretty good list there.

01:01:09.000 The last two are not so great, and it's kind of interesting, you know, what groups of people those last two ones are.

01:01:15.000 But I think if we get an idea of where other countries have gone on practices, on principles of civic versus ethnic nationalism, we get a pretty clear picture, one which is not ambiguous, which is that civic nationalist countries that have no ethnic or racial basis for nationality, they don't do very well.

01:01:32.000 And then the data supports this as well.

01:01:34.000 Tanya Ellingson wrote in the Journal of Conflict.

01:01:37.000 Resolution.

01:01:38.000 She concluded that ethnic diversity did increase the risk of civil war, especially when the largest ethnic group fell below 80% of the population and when there were several other ethnic groups in the mix.

01:01:51.000 We'll give one more study and then I'll hand it off to you and you can tell me why we shouldn't be worried about this.

01:01:57.000 In 2002, Robert Putnam, who wrote the great book Bowling Alone, discovered that outgroup trust, after doing a study involving 30,000 people in 41 locations, he found that ethnic diversity contributed to a loss of social capital. 0.51

01:02:10.000 He found that outgroup trust Which is how much people trust people other than themselves, is lower in diverse communities.

01:02:17.000 And also in group trust, which is how much you trust people who look like you, was also down if you look at countries that have more ethnic diversity or communities.

01:02:27.000 So it looks like people that are in ethnically diverse settings, he says, they quote, hunker down.

01:02:31.000 They like to be in like a turtle. 0.80

01:02:33.000 They watch more television.

01:02:35.000 They don't socialize with their neighbors.

01:02:36.000 Robert Putnam wrote Bowling Alone.

01:02:38.000 I have his book right up there.

01:02:40.000 Hey, I'm getting a request from the chat.

01:02:42.000 They're saying, Mike, can you.

01:02:45.000 Show your bracelet.

01:02:46.000 What do you?

01:02:47.000 Is there something you're wearing there? 0.99

01:02:49.000 Nipah, you're interrupting the flow. 0.98

01:02:52.000 Sorry, sorry. 1.00

01:02:53.000 Go ahead.

01:02:54.000 Go ahead.

01:02:56.000 So, well, yeah, but that was just the point.

01:02:59.000 Is, I mean, you look at the data, you look at the countries here, and I think that's.

01:03:02.000 Right, so what are you inferring here?

01:03:03.000 Do you think that a civil war is going to, a race war is going to break out in the domestic United States?

01:03:08.000 I think a civil war could break out.

01:03:09.000 That study that you're advocating?

01:03:11.000 I am not advocating for a civil war.

01:03:11.000 Civil war.

01:03:13.000 I think if we go down your path, we're going to end up in a civil war, certainly.

01:03:17.000 I would never put it outside the realm of possibility.

01:03:21.000 My path is very simple.

01:03:22.000 My path is simple.

01:03:24.000 I don't judge somebody on their race.

01:03:25.000 I think that.

01:03:26.000 As an American society, we have to have the values.

01:03:29.000 We have to protect what it is to be an American.

01:03:32.000 And this country was founded in a certain way.

01:03:34.000 We have to protect that, of course. 1.00

01:03:36.000 We can't just bring in people that are not willing to assimilate. 0.85

01:03:38.000 We can't bring in people that are advocating for Sharia law, which will never and can never assimilate into Western civilization, especially in the domestic United States. 0.96

01:03:48.000 So I think that you're advocating, I don't even know what you're saying. 0.94

01:03:52.000 There can never be a practical use of ethnic nationalism in the United States.

01:03:58.000 You're advocating for something that is fantasy.

01:04:00.000 In the country in which we live.

01:04:02.000 And that's really all I care about. 0.98

01:04:03.000 I don't care about what Japan is doing because they were founded, they were created, they live a much different life than we do.

01:04:09.000 That's what you have to understand.

01:04:10.000 Do you want to talk about our founding?

01:04:12.000 Do you want to talk about how our country was founded and how we were intended to live?

01:04:18.000 Would that be more practical for you?

01:04:18.000 Sure.

01:04:19.000 Okay, because I can show you how we were.

01:04:21.000 I'll come out right now.

01:04:23.000 I can show you how we were.

01:04:24.000 You don't want to go there because you know how our country was founded. 0.98

01:04:28.000 And it was founded a lot like Japan. 0.78

01:04:30.000 It was founded a lot less like Zogfest like we are here.

01:04:36.000 And then guess what happened?

01:04:37.000 And guess what happened?

01:04:38.000 Then we had a civil war, and then we said, Hey, our opinions have changed.

01:04:41.000 Back then, our opinions were flawed.

01:04:43.000 Back then, we were living in a way that we shouldn't be living.

01:04:46.000 And then the entire public sentiment changed.

01:04:49.000 Engaging a bit of ridiculous history there.

01:04:51.000 Listen, listen.

01:04:52.000 And then we all came together and we adapted laws that are the premise of what we live in today.

01:04:59.000 Ah, yes, yes. 0.53

01:05:00.000 Well, I would still like to remind you because you say Japan was intended to be a certain way and we're different.

01:05:06.000 Well, I think.

01:05:07.000 We have slavery.

01:05:09.000 You're saying essentially that this present time is an anomaly, right? 0.80

01:05:12.000 Or rather, you're saying that ethnic nationalism would be the anomaly.

01:05:15.000 It would not be in fitting with the American tradition.

01:05:18.000 It would not be in fitting with American customs. 0.65

01:05:21.000 That's your problem.

01:05:22.000 I want what our founders want for our country, which is, you know, if you look at John Jay, John Jay, who was one of the co writers of the Federalist Papers.

01:05:32.000 Do you agree with slavery?

01:05:34.000 Do you agree with how we were living as a country?

01:05:36.000 There it is, folks.

01:05:37.000 I'm asking you.

01:05:37.000 There it is, folks.

01:05:38.000 That's what you're trying to revert to.

01:05:41.000 Of course, we're not in favor of slavery, Michael.

01:05:43.000 Okay, great.

01:05:44.000 So you can also understand, we can come to the same opinion that we were living in a much different time 200 years ago, 150 years ago, and that the public sentiment ultimately shifted in favor of viewing all people equal, regardless of the race.

01:05:56.000 When did the public sentiment really, I mean, the public sentiment really didn't change until the 1970s, or really, I mean, even very recently, the 1965 Immigration Act?

01:06:06.000 I mean, because you keep, look, we can go on and on.

01:06:08.000 I think you know the arguments that John Jay made, all the presidents really up until Harry Truman made about the different races in the country, but If we can tackle this issue of Americans came to a consensus and they found out that racism was wrong and America is now a country for everyone, not just white people, that is just simply not true.

01:06:26.000 The 1965 Immigration Act, which has opened up the floodgates to immigration from all these different countries, if you look at immigration in 1960, it was almost all white and it was very little immigration.

01:06:38.000 After 1965, it was almost everything but white and there was a lot more of it.

01:06:42.000 And the 1965 Immigration Act, which was as recently, that was 50 years ago, the 1965 Immigration Act was passed.

01:06:49.000 Explicitly with the assumption that it would not change the demographic composition of the country, that it would not bring in immigrants from Africa and Asia, and it wouldn't bring in a lot of them.

01:06:59.000 And they lied.

01:07:00.000 But point being, Ted Kennedy had to lie to sell that bill.

01:07:05.000 So the consensus never changed.

01:07:06.000 Nobody ever came.

01:07:07.000 They came around, it was rationalized.

01:07:10.000 This transition happened, the demographic change was imposed on us, and then they made us rationalize it through propaganda.

01:07:17.000 And that's what we're seeing still today.

01:07:19.000 Is we never resolve the question.

01:07:21.000 And so you keep saying that never happened. 0.91

01:07:24.000 Look, I agree.

01:07:26.000 That bill was passed under fraudulent pretenses. 0.93

01:07:28.000 The only reason that they want that the Democrats on the left are advocating to bring in as many immigrants as possible is because I think statistically, especially for Mexico, 70% vote Democrat.

01:07:38.000 If people are waking up in this country and starting to shift the power positions to Republicans and conservatives and vote for Republicans and conservatives, then the Democrats are going to do everything in their power to maintain their position. 0.55

01:07:50.000 Power to maintain being elected and bring in as many minorities as possible, bring in people from countries that don't assimilate, and bring in people that are very culturally different than us.

01:08:00.000 So I understand where you're coming from. 1.00

01:08:02.000 We shouldn't have an immigration policy like that.

01:08:04.000 We should have an immigration policy that's based on merit, that's based on if they can create jobs, if they're going to be a drain on the economy, if they're going to be productive, if they can benefit our way of life as an American civilization. 0.65

01:08:17.000 So in that sense, I agree.

01:08:18.000 But I mean, at the same time, we have, like I said, we have 97 million Americans that are unemployed.

01:08:23.000 So we shouldn't have any immigration until we get.

01:08:24.000 Those jobs filled up.

01:08:26.000 That will address many of the issues that you talked about previously, saying all of these states are going to turn blue, this and that.

01:08:34.000 If we can cut it off, if we can remove that act or whatever, that bill was passed on a fraudulent pretenses, which changed the demographic.

01:08:41.000 So we can both understand that, right?

01:08:44.000 Sure.

01:08:45.000 But I mean, then you just have to admit that it's just lie after lie where you start out by saying Japan was founded differently than we were.

01:08:51.000 And it turns out it was actually quite similar.

01:08:53.000 Then you say, oh, well, but anyway, we came around to a consensus and we figured out that that was wrong after the Civil War.

01:08:58.000 Which is not true.

01:08:59.000 The Nationality Act in 1924.

01:09:02.000 And then you say, oh, well, but we came around recently.

01:09:04.000 And we never came around to it.

01:09:06.000 It's so simple.

01:09:07.000 But to get back to the point here.

01:09:08.000 We did come around.

01:09:09.000 We did.

01:09:10.000 We outlawed slavery.

01:09:11.000 We changed our opinions.

01:09:12.000 We updated our laws.

01:09:14.000 We had a civil war over this.

01:09:15.000 He's talking about slavery.

01:09:17.000 The issue is.

01:09:18.000 He's talking about the public sentiment in the United States.

01:09:20.000 The issue is the sentiment that is being debated here is not slavery.

01:09:26.000 It's the self definition of what it means to be an American.

01:09:29.000 And that never changed from 1776.

01:09:32.000 What is this?

01:09:34.000 Until now, what is your definition?

01:09:35.000 Well, the standard definition that was accepted by everybody, I'm going to tell you, is free white men of upstanding character.

01:09:41.000 And that's what it was right up until 1965, when suddenly a couple of bureaucrats and people in Washington, D.C. said, actually, no, it's for everybody.

01:09:50.000 It's a common market.

01:09:52.000 As long as they come and they contribute their money, as long as they come and they contribute some of these, which I'm told you're fond of, as long as they come and they throw the shekels into the pot into the common market, they can come and change the texture of life.

01:10:05.000 They can come and change.

01:10:07.000 The character of the nation.

01:10:08.000 But that was never agreed upon.

01:10:10.000 You never agree with that sentiment.

01:10:12.000 So that's the sentiment that you hold, correct?

01:10:15.000 No, I'm simply saying that that was never made in the sense of the word.

01:10:20.000 Oh, okay.

01:10:21.000 Okay.

01:10:22.000 So you don't even agree with what you're saying?

01:10:25.000 No, I just asked you, do you agree with that sentiment?

01:10:27.000 And you said, no, I don't agree.

01:10:30.000 I'm just talking.

01:10:31.000 Which sentiment?

01:10:33.000 The sentiment that you just said that defined what it means to be an American.

01:10:36.000 You said to be an American, it means to be an American.

01:10:38.000 No, what I said was.

01:10:41.000 What I said was there was never a consensus in the country about whether or not that was stolen.

01:10:47.000 Definition of what it means to be an American.

01:10:50.000 I think it's still viable.

01:10:51.000 I think there's still a reason in that.

01:10:53.000 Okay, right.

01:10:54.000 You believe that if there it is, there it is.

01:10:57.000 Listen, so what you're trying to put semantics on me, I'm asking in your view.

01:10:57.000 There it is.

01:11:00.000 So what you're trying to put semantics on me, I'm asking in your view.

01:11:02.000 Black people.

01:11:03.000 So what you're saying is, no, no, no, no.

01:11:05.000 Nobody said that.

01:11:06.000 I never said that.

01:11:08.000 I just asked you, what is the definition in your view to be an American?

01:11:12.000 I can't believe you.

01:11:13.000 You're arguing semantics.

01:11:15.000 Okay, hold on a second.

01:11:15.000 Hold on.

01:11:16.000 Let me say something.

01:11:17.000 Go ahead, please.

01:11:18.000 Go ahead.

01:11:19.000 I simply asked you.

01:11:20.000 I said, do you agree with the sentiment that you just put forth?

01:11:23.000 I said, what defines to be an American?

01:11:25.000 You said, an upstanding white male.

01:11:26.000 I said, do you agree with that? 0.88

01:11:27.000 You said, no.

01:11:29.000 Okay.

01:11:30.000 That was my question to you.

01:11:31.000 So let me ask you again.

01:11:32.000 Sure.

01:11:32.000 Well, it's a very loaded question.

01:11:34.000 Let me understand it's a very loaded question.

01:11:36.000 But you're going to pretend that you don't know that it's a loaded question because, and this is the tactic that civic nationalists have to use.

01:11:42.000 No tactics.

01:11:43.000 No tactics.

01:11:44.000 Which is to shame people, which is to shame people and try and gotcha, catch them into saying something racist.

01:11:51.000 But, you know, I got to be honest.

01:11:52.000 I'm not saying anything racist.

01:11:55.000 But to be honest, we have to be able to say these things that America, look, I agree.

01:12:00.000 I believe America and what it means to be an American.

01:12:03.000 You're rationalizing it.

01:12:04.000 I believe American identity is what the founder saw it as and what every president up and through John Kennedy thought it was.

01:12:11.000 Right.

01:12:12.000 So what about Lincoln?

01:12:14.000 I agree with Abraham Lincoln, who said that if he could end the Civil War without, I mean, if you're going to bring up Abraham Lincoln as the paragon of race relations, I can give you a quote by Abraham Lincoln that summarizes what he thought. 0.58

01:12:25.000 Abraham Lincoln said, quote, I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people. 0.70

01:12:35.000 There is a physical difference between the white and black races, which believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality.

01:12:43.000 Now, I wouldn't go that far.

01:12:44.000 Abraham Lincoln's a little bit of a radical in that sense.

01:12:47.000 That would be radical.

01:12:48.000 Maybe I wouldn't go that far, but I would certainly go along with Teddy Roosevelt and John Jay.

01:12:52.000 So you said it's not a bad standing to define an American as an upstanding white male. 0.62

01:12:59.000 Right, you advocate for ethnic naturalism, you advocate for the segregation of peoples based on their race.

01:13:05.000 Yes, this is the problem with you because you're so based.

01:13:09.000 I can't believe I can't believe that your ideology, and I know you're a young guy, so I understand.

01:13:16.000 But look, the argument is this the argument is this.

01:13:20.000 I can't believe it.

01:13:21.000 I can't believe it.

01:13:22.000 Look, I can't look.

01:13:23.000 The bottom line is this it'll never exist in the United States of America.

01:13:27.000 You don't need to look at somebody and say we can't get along because.

01:13:30.000 You're a different race or you're a different religion.

01:13:32.000 The common denominator is being an American.

01:13:34.000 That's what I told you.

01:13:36.000 And you challenged that and said, well, back then, the public sentiment was that if you're an American, you're an upstanding white male.

01:13:42.000 Now, it doesn't matter.

01:13:43.000 You're living in the land of fantasy or you're living in the past history because the bottom line is that you're an American if you have citizenship.

01:13:50.000 That's really it.

01:13:51.000 That's really it.

01:13:52.000 If you have citizenship.

01:13:53.000 So, are you going to segregate people that are coming in?

01:13:56.000 Of course, we have immigration problems and all this kind of stuff.

01:13:59.000 People refuse to assimilate, but for the most part, You can get along with people in this country.

01:14:03.000 What even is assimilation?

01:14:06.000 What even is assimilation?

01:14:07.000 Look, hold on.

01:14:08.000 Don't change the subject because we're still getting on this one.

01:14:11.000 Go ahead.

01:14:12.000 It's hard to pick out the parts that are not.

01:14:15.000 Put the knife down, Ricky.

01:14:16.000 I will never put the knife down.

01:14:19.000 The knife is out and it's staying out.

01:14:21.000 Put that knife down.

01:14:23.000 Your knife got bigger. 0.99

01:14:24.000 What the hell is that? 0.99

01:14:27.000 Okay, so you constitute Americans that they're upstanding white males. 0.98

01:14:31.000 What about everybody else in this country that has citizenship that isn't an upstanding white male?

01:14:35.000 What do you constitute?

01:14:37.000 Well, I think that's just going to have to have a redefinition.

01:14:41.000 I would say the system we had going about 10 years ago is pretty fine, where they would say, you know, they're African American, they're Asian American.

01:14:48.000 And what this implicitly said was that you had to modify American.

01:14:51.000 Nobody ever, the term white American was never popularized because America was.

01:14:56.000 But you just used the pretense of your last argument.

01:14:58.000 It was implicitly white.

01:15:00.000 And so, wait, what?

01:15:01.000 What was the pretense?

01:15:02.000 You just said the last pretense of your last argument was that the public sentiment never has always reflected an American as an upstanding white male.

01:15:11.000 Now you're saying the inverse of that.

01:15:13.000 No, What I'm saying is this.

01:15:15.000 I'm saying the term white American never became popular.

01:15:20.000 Can you listen with your ears?

01:15:21.000 I'm trying to explain to you.

01:15:23.000 The reason why white American never became a popular term is because it was redundant.

01:15:29.000 It was a redundancy.

01:15:30.000 To say white American was like saying American American because people, and that's why it never became popularized, but they would say African American because people knew on a very subtle and subconscious level that you have to modify American because they're foreign.

01:15:43.000 They're African American.

01:15:44.000 They're Asian American.

01:15:46.000 But no one would ever say, European American or white American people would try, but it didn't happen. 0.87

01:15:53.000 And I think something similar to that, like I'm not saying like we should have no non whites in the country or no non European. 0.97

01:15:59.000 You would segregate them. 0.85

01:16:01.000 But I think people should be allowed to choose how they want to live.

01:16:04.000 I think people, and moreover, no, they don't.

01:16:07.000 And moreover, we've been over that.

01:16:08.000 And moreover, the texture of life in the country should stay the same. 1.00

01:16:11.000 It's just simply not the same texture of life when you have majority non whites. 1.00

01:16:16.000 Define what? 1.00

01:16:17.000 Elaborate, texture of life.

01:16:19.000 Oh, sure.

01:16:19.000 What do you mean?

01:16:20.000 Culture, you have the general feel of a neighborhood, of a city, architecture, food, living conditions, all kinds of things.

01:16:28.000 For example, you look at some of the most violent cities in the country.

01:16:32.000 You look at some of the poorest cities in the country.

01:16:34.000 There it is.

01:16:35.000 There it is.

01:16:36.000 I can't.

01:16:36.000 Yes.

01:16:37.000 The reason that Haiti, Africa, and Detroit, and Baltimore, the reason they're all shitty is those damn Democrat policies. 0.99

01:16:45.000 If Democrats got elected in Norway, Norway would start looking like Detroit. 1.00

01:16:49.000 Because of those damn Democrats, right? 1.00

01:16:52.000 No, of course not. 1.00

01:16:53.000 Of course not.

01:16:54.000 The worst cities in the country, and well, I guess qualitatively different countries, or rather cities in the country, are ones that have a different texture of life because they have a different people.

01:17:04.000 And no one denies this.

01:17:05.000 Nobody.

01:17:06.000 You're saying we have very different, conflicting textures of life in the United States? 1.00

01:17:11.000 Because of race, yeah. 1.00

01:17:12.000 I definitely believe it. 1.00

01:17:13.000 And look, I've lived it.

01:17:15.000 I live in the suburbs of Chicago, and I drive through the South Side now and again in broad daylight, and I drive through.

01:17:23.000 I drive through the Latin American, Latin Hispanic neighborhoods.

01:17:27.000 That's right.

01:17:28.000 And you can see it.

01:17:29.000 You can see there are.

01:17:31.000 So, what do you want here?

01:17:32.000 I told you.

01:17:33.000 Where do you see it?

01:17:33.000 I told you.

01:17:34.000 I think a self segregation or some degree of ethnic federalism could work. 0.98

01:17:41.000 You keep saying that. 0.99

01:17:42.000 You keep saying self segregation. 1.00

01:17:44.000 People do that.

01:17:44.000 There's different.

01:17:45.000 No, I don't really think that's right. 0.99

01:17:46.000 There's different Latino communities.

01:17:48.000 If you're saying voluntary, which we can already do now, people can congregate.

01:17:48.000 What do you say?

01:17:52.000 That's just simply not true.

01:17:53.000 That's just simply not true.

01:17:56.000 I need to interrupt for a second.

01:17:57.000 To be fair, it is true for some racial groups.

01:18:01.000 For white people, it is not true. 0.61

01:18:03.000 You cannot have a white club at your university.

01:18:07.000 You cannot say, hey, white guys for middle class, white guys for Trump.

01:18:12.000 You will.

01:18:14.000 Yeah, that's a problem.

01:18:16.000 It's a problem.

01:18:17.000 Let's be honest. 0.99

01:18:18.000 Not all racial groups can do it. 0.99

01:18:20.000 Most can, except for white people. 0.98

01:18:22.000 So I just want to keep things clear. 0.95

01:18:25.000 It depends in what context you're looking for. 0.55

01:18:27.000 So, I can understand that by the liberal media, there's a constant attack because white people are the majority in this country, 67%. 0.61

01:18:34.000 If they all came united and dictated policy based on that unifying factor, it's a very big threat to the liberal establishment. 0.85

01:18:42.000 So that's why I say I commend you.

01:18:43.000 In Los Angeles, you know who is the establishment, actually. 0.97

01:18:46.000 If they allowed whites to organize, it would be a big problem for it. 0.95

01:18:49.000 In Los Angeles, for example, Hispanics are the majority here. 0.93

01:18:54.000 Hispanics are the majority here in Los Angeles.

01:18:57.000 So why couldn't whites organize for white people's interests? 0.51

01:19:02.000 Because they've manipulated people and they said if you are a bunch of white people coming together and that is the.

01:19:08.000 The pretense of your gathering, it's somehow, you know, white power or racist or discriminatory in regard and stuff.

01:19:17.000 So I understand that.

01:19:18.000 And you don't want the unification of people based on identity politics unless you're a minority.

01:19:24.000 And you've shown support, Mike, for I know blacks for Trump, Latinos for Trump, et cetera, correct?

01:19:30.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:19:31.000 Hey, I didn't disagree with this here.

01:19:32.000 I understand the power dynamic here.

01:19:34.000 That's why they're oppressing the majority of people and trying to divide them into different. 0.91

01:19:40.000 So, but I would say, in one sense, you do agree with ethnic congregating ethnically because if you're supporting Latinos for trauma, people can do that right now. 0.89

01:19:53.000 So, you do recognize some sort of identity politics can be powerful.

01:19:59.000 Yeah, in some sense.

01:20:01.000 Yeah.

01:20:02.000 I understand that every other group can do it. 0.96

01:20:04.000 Why can't white people? 0.88

01:20:05.000 Absolutely. 0.78

01:20:06.000 Well, but I think here's a fundamental issue here is I think you seem to be saying that.

01:20:14.000 Like ethnic nationalism, there's no way to reverse what has been done.

01:20:19.000 America is going to have multiracialism.

01:20:23.000 We're going to be a multi ethnic country. 1.00

01:20:25.000 And simply because that is the trajectory right now, and that's the present state of affairs, and there's no clear practical plan for it. 1.00

01:20:35.000 Okay.

01:20:36.000 And even though I've told you multiple ways we could do it, you say, well, that can't work.

01:20:39.000 But here's the thing I don't think anybody's arguing that it would be very difficult for us.

01:20:44.000 To make our country live in accordance with these tribalist impulses.

01:20:49.000 I don't think anybody's arguing that you're right, that it would be difficult.

01:20:52.000 To an extent, it is impractical in the short term. 0.50

01:20:55.000 But I think here's the problem regardless of whether or not there's a practical solution on the table right now that's clear cut and it's ready to go in the legislative process, or we have bots or whatever, regardless of that fact, ethnic nationalism, it still exists.

01:21:10.000 Whether or not we have an answer for it, these tribalist tendencies are still going to exist tomorrow, the next day, and for 100 years.

01:21:17.000 And wait.

01:21:18.000 And but these are consequential. 0.93

01:21:20.000 The Hispanics are going to vote in the Hispanic interest, the blacks are going to vote in the black interest increasingly.

01:21:25.000 That's why we have 30% who vote for Trump, increasingly. 0.75

01:21:28.000 Yeah, and 70% went for the Democrats.

01:21:31.000 And if you look at Texas, even in the Democratic primaries, they voted for the Hispanic candidate.

01:21:35.000 Look, I see it.

01:21:37.000 I live in the suburbs of Chicago.

01:21:39.000 You could see which aldermen they elect. 0.93

01:21:42.000 You could look in New Jersey, where Senator Menendez, the guy is like a criminal, the guy is a criminal, but he'll get easily reelected because the Hispanics will vote for him. 0.83

01:21:50.000 And we see this all over the place. 0.97

01:21:53.000 And whether or not you think it's a viable solution, these cleavages in the country will exist and they're not going away.

01:22:02.000 And the answer is not like, here's my pre made solution, here's my bots.

01:22:06.000 It's are we going to choose to engage with it?

01:22:07.000 Are we going to simply ignore it and pretend it isn't there?

01:22:10.000 Simply through wishful thinking, civic nationalism is viable when you know it's not.

01:22:14.000 You know it's not.

01:22:16.000 Nick, all right.

01:22:17.000 So we debated semantics, we debated this and that for a long time.

01:22:22.000 You told me two things.

01:22:23.000 You said, One thing they can voluntarily say, you said, because I want solutions.

01:22:27.000 I want to look towards the future.

01:22:28.000 I want to see what type of reality you're looking to live in and which reality you want to shape.

01:22:33.000 I want to know the policies.

01:22:34.000 I want to know how you expect to live in the United States of America under your ideology, right?

01:22:40.000 Coming from your standpoint.

01:22:42.000 So you told me one.

01:22:43.000 You said you want people to voluntarily segregate. 0.96

01:22:45.000 They can already do this.

01:22:46.000 They can go to different neighborhoods.

01:22:47.000 You've been over this.

01:22:48.000 You've been over this.

01:22:50.000 Yes, they can because they do.

01:22:51.000 They cannot.

01:22:52.000 Yes, they cannot.

01:22:53.000 Not at the university level, not in business, not because of the 14th Amendment, not because of immigration, not because of quotas.

01:23:00.000 No, it's not the same. 0.84

01:23:01.000 You referenced an all white group.

01:23:03.000 You referenced an all white group from a university and said, They can't do this because the diversity quota, or they can't do this because it's not at all what I referenced.

01:23:10.000 What I said was that you're saying that we can self segregate, but that's just not true.

01:23:16.000 It's just involuntary segregation.

01:23:19.000 We can do that right now.

01:23:19.000 Yes.

01:23:21.000 If you want to go and buy up a big piece of land, right, a compound of sorts, and have 3,000 only white people and not allow anyone else in because it's your land, you can do that right now. 0.89

01:23:34.000 If you want to have a neighborhood that's predominantly white, then you can have all your people, all your people. 0.94

01:23:40.000 Buy up all of the houses, all of the land around it, and now that is your texture of life, so you call it. 0.90

01:23:46.000 You could do that right now. 0.94

01:23:47.000 Sure, you could do that, but then would you be able to own a business and hire only white people? 0.72

01:23:53.000 Would you be able to do that? 0.62

01:23:54.000 Answer is no. 0.83

01:23:55.000 Would you be able to open a business and serve only white people? 0.58

01:23:59.000 Answer is no. 0.61

01:23:59.000 Would you be able to go to a university where there's only white people? 0.61

01:24:03.000 A public school where there's only white people if you move to a state and increasingly the areas where the public is.

01:24:03.000 No.

01:24:08.000 Just make discrimination laws.

01:24:10.000 We're not in the Jim Crow era anymore, Nick.

01:24:12.000 I don't think you like that.

01:24:13.000 You just got done saying, We can self segregate.

01:24:16.000 We're no longer in the Jim Crow era anymore.

01:24:19.000 Just not with your own private company.

01:24:20.000 Just not with your own money.

01:24:21.000 Just not with your own business.

01:24:23.000 Just not with your education.

01:24:24.000 Just not with your job.

01:24:25.000 Just not with, I believe, even churches.

01:24:27.000 With your living sectors, with your church, with your private compound.

01:24:30.000 You can all live together.

01:24:31.000 You can all congregate.

01:24:32.000 That was the original question.

01:24:34.000 That was the original question.

01:24:36.000 Now, can you go and discriminate against people and say you're not selling to this group because of their race or their skin color?

01:24:42.000 No, you can't because we have laws against that and we're not in the Jim Crow eras.

01:24:45.000 Like I said before, this is what you advocate for.

01:24:48.000 Which is 150 years in the past.

01:24:50.000 I'm advocating for the future.

01:24:51.000 And I'm asking you, and I'm literally asking you, listen, Nick, I'm asking you, how do you see this country working from your standpoint?

01:24:59.000 You said they can voluntarily segregate.

01:25:01.000 I told you that's not.

01:25:02.000 I told you they can do that.

01:25:03.000 What's the other thing?

01:25:04.000 Or there could be ethnic federalism.

01:25:06.000 I mean, there's a number of things that could be done.

01:25:08.000 But again, I told you what ethnic federalism is.

01:25:11.000 If you look at Ethiopia, if you look at Switzerland, if you look at Singapore, what's in their government, what's in their culture? 0.53

01:25:18.000 I don't know how I would accomplish it.

01:25:19.000 It's difficult to say because we have such a long time for the last hour for.

01:25:23.000 You don't even know how you're going to implement the rule of law that you want to implement.

01:25:26.000 Well, I don't.

01:25:27.000 Well, again, I don't have a ready solution.

01:25:31.000 There it is, Nick.

01:25:32.000 But that's not the conversation.

01:25:34.000 But I told you three times that you're living in a land of fantasy.

01:25:39.000 Because you can't even tell me how you enjoy it.

01:25:41.000 But wait, you can't even tell me.

01:25:42.000 I can tell you we live in the United States already.

01:25:58.000 This is the life that we live.

01:26:01.000 What's your plan?

01:26:03.000 Meme accounts.

01:26:06.000 I can't believe it, Nick.

01:26:11.000 What you're saying is, Nick, how do we solve it?

01:26:15.000 And I tell you, we could repeal all kinds of laws.

01:26:18.000 We could get rid of quotas, we could get rid of anti discrimination laws.

01:26:23.000 We could have ethnic federalism in our constitution.

01:26:26.000 And you say, but what you say, but how do you intend on doing that?

01:26:29.000 Well, it's very difficult.

01:26:31.000 Like you said, the liberals control the media.

01:26:34.000 The liberals control the government.

01:26:36.000 It's going to be an uphill battle.

01:26:37.000 I don't have something right off the top of my head for, you know, we're going to make this play.

01:26:41.000 But you, and by the way, you seem to think it's a viable solution.

01:26:48.000 We got blacks voting 97%. 0.87

01:26:50.000 We got Hispanics voting 70%. 1.00

01:26:52.000 They're pouring into our border. 1.00

01:26:54.000 And your solution to prevent this country from becoming Brazil, your position to prevent this country from becoming Brazil is meme accounts.

01:27:03.000 And you're gonna tell me it's a joke, it's actually the uh, and it's because, but wait, but it's because my young 19 year old friend, as well as anybody else, this nationalism is not viable. 0.56

01:27:17.000 That's why immigration is why we're living in it, my boy. 0.94

01:27:19.000 That's why you have blacks going and it's not going well, my friend. 0.99

01:27:22.000 They're voting according to their tribal interest, and that's why you have to frame the script and you have to frame the debate in terms of an impossible political crusade in a climate that you understand. 1.00

01:27:35.000 But you want to pretend it's not asymmetrical because look, you sound great.

01:27:39.000 You sound great.

01:27:42.000 If I didn't know any of this, I wasn't politically inclined.

01:27:45.000 You're talking all these things.

01:27:46.000 They see right through you, Mike.

01:27:48.000 But listen, I ask you, how do you see this in the United States?

01:27:51.000 You say, well, I don't know.

01:27:52.000 We could voluntarily segregate.

01:27:53.000 We can already do that.

01:27:54.000 Federalism.

01:27:55.000 Obviously.

01:27:56.000 And that's just incorrect.

01:27:57.000 You can keep quiet.

01:27:58.000 Okay, so what do you want to do with all of the other people that live in here that are American citizens? 0.51

01:28:03.000 I just told you self segregation.

01:28:05.000 They can go.

01:28:06.000 And they can be with their people. 0.99

01:28:07.000 We're going to put all of the African American community somewhere and based on their religion or anything. 1.00

01:28:11.000 I don't know if we should put them. 1.00

01:28:12.000 No, we're not.

01:28:13.000 Wait, wait.

01:28:14.000 We're not going to put them anywhere.

01:28:15.000 They're going to put themselves there.

01:28:16.000 That's where they choose to be.

01:28:17.000 They say, hey, hey, they can do that now.

01:28:19.000 They can do that now.

01:28:21.000 No, they can't.

01:28:22.000 You could go into a different neighborhood and live there with your community.

01:28:25.000 Can you buy all the houses?

01:28:26.000 I think many, no.

01:28:28.000 That's just simply not true.

01:28:29.000 Good luck.

01:28:29.000 Oh, yeah.

01:28:30.000 We're going to buy all the houses.

01:28:31.000 Yeah.

01:28:31.000 Good luck with that.

01:28:33.000 It's just simply not true. 0.97

01:28:34.000 There's an Armenian community, there's a Jewish community.

01:28:37.000 There's different communities.

01:28:39.000 Of course, there's a Jewish community.

01:28:40.000 Do you think the Jewish community will ever not be able to see the Jewish community?

01:28:45.000 How about the Armenian community? 0.98

01:28:48.000 Buddy, they literally draw a line around their neighborhood so that they voluntarily segregated.

01:28:56.000 And you say that's not possible.

01:28:58.000 You just proved yourself wrong, my boy.

01:29:00.000 No, no, it's okay for them.

01:29:02.000 You proved yourself wrong.

01:29:03.000 It's incorrect.

01:29:03.000 I feel badly for you.

01:29:04.000 It's incorrect.

01:29:05.000 And you know it.

01:29:06.000 And you know it, but you'll lie anyway.

01:29:08.000 They segregated. 1.00

01:29:09.000 No, you're a liar. 0.97

01:29:10.000 You have no practical solutions. 0.98

01:29:12.000 You're advocating for something that is in the land of the fantasy.

01:29:15.000 There it is, right there.

01:29:16.000 There it is, right there.

01:29:17.000 You know that ethnic nationalism would not work out in your tribal interest.

01:29:22.000 And that is why you come on the stream and you lie and you make things up.

01:29:26.000 And you protect the people.

01:29:26.000 Really?

01:29:28.000 All I'm saying is, this is the country that we're living in.

01:29:31.000 I don't look at people's skin color.

01:29:33.000 You do. 0.98

01:29:34.000 Because you're a tribal group.

01:29:36.000 Of course you do. 1.00

01:29:37.000 You liar. 1.00

01:29:38.000 You said in the beginning of the debate that you see difference and you would be stupid to ignore it. 1.00

01:29:43.000 But you come on and you lie. 1.00

01:29:45.000 Are you kidding me?

01:29:46.000 Hey, hey, are you kidding me?

01:29:48.000 Why don't you upgrade your hardware and then come back and talk to me?

01:29:53.000 Okay.

01:29:54.000 Patience has what's this?

01:29:56.000 You see this level, Mike?

01:29:57.000 The press will have their mouth shut for them.

01:30:01.000 Hey, hey, listen to me.

01:30:02.000 Look, let's hear it meme accounts, my boy.

01:30:05.000 Okay.

01:30:05.000 There it is.

01:30:07.000 There it is.

01:30:08.000 It's giving that.

01:30:10.000 Okay, no, but seriously, when you control the information, you control the minds of the masses.

01:30:15.000 That's why you had people like. 0.71

01:30:17.000 And even in the Nazi regime, they controlled every facet of power and they manipulated the entire country into a crazy, crazy regime, right? 0.82

01:30:27.000 That's the nationalism that happened back then, right? 0.86

01:30:27.000 So that's what they did. 0.86

01:30:30.000 So, very wealthy and powerful billionaires have realized when they control the information, they control the minds of the masses.

01:30:37.000 They buy up the media companies.

01:30:39.000 Carlos Slim buys the New York Times. 0.94

01:30:41.000 Then he's a foreign citizen exerting undue and coercive influence over our government, over our elections, over our people's opinions.

01:30:49.000 That's why you have the manipulation of public opinion, because you have all of these facets of power that are aligned with the liberal left and only want to remain in their positions. 0.93

01:30:58.000 Power.

01:30:59.000 So when I say meme accounts, I say memes, I say media, I say influencers, I say all of these combined cultural elements that will change people's opinions and wake them up to the inner dynamics of government.

01:31:10.000 You want to segregate people.

01:31:11.000 You want to put voluntarily, even though if they say no, what are you going to do?

01:31:16.000 Right?

01:31:17.000 What are they going to do? 0.95

01:31:18.000 They can live in their Brazilified neighborhood.

01:31:21.000 They can hang out with the.

01:31:23.000 So in Nikki Boy's domestic United States, he's the emperor, right?

01:31:23.000 Right.

01:31:29.000 Yeah, he says you need to voluntarily segregate based on all the all the all the whites, right? 0.99

01:31:35.000 But we could already do that right now. 0.54

01:31:37.000 So, what do you think to that?

01:31:39.000 We, but we, but Mike, we've been over this.

01:31:42.000 We can't, we can't just reference the Jewish community segregating into their own thing.

01:31:47.000 Yeah, yeah, the Jewish community, they can, but we can't, though.

01:31:51.000 So, the Latino community can't, even though they do in Los Angeles, the Armenian community can't, even though they do right here in Los Angeles, even the white communities in the nice suburbs. 0.99

01:32:01.000 Of you know the outer city, whatever it is, they do the same thing. 0.98

01:32:05.000 The Talmudic tricks, you're going to pretend like you don't understand.

01:32:08.000 I don't like the Talmud that you're going to put to me.

01:32:11.000 Okay, you're going to pretend another Talmudic lie. 0.98

01:32:14.000 You're going to pretend that there is no asymmetry, you're going to pretend like there is no asymmetry between whites and non whites. 0.84

01:32:21.000 You're going to sit there and really tell me that non whites have the same privileges as whites when you know that whites do not have those privileges of the use of ethnic nationalism in the United States with their own groups, right? 0.86

01:32:33.000 Here's why. 0.95

01:32:34.000 You have no idea how to even get this done. 0.89

01:32:37.000 You're advocating for the segregation of people. 0.91

01:32:39.000 Go back to Jim Crow errors.

01:32:41.000 We've been through this over and over again. 0.87

01:32:44.000 And your only argument seems to be against countless historical examples, against data, against social scientists.

01:32:51.000 Your only argument is this is barbaric and I disavow it.

01:32:57.000 But wait, but wait.

01:32:58.000 And then you do this TED Talk stuff. 0.80

01:32:59.000 You're in Jim Crow.

01:33:01.000 You're advocating for this TED Talk stuff.

01:33:03.000 You want to segregate people?

01:33:04.000 Information is power.

01:33:05.000 You do the TED Talk thing.

01:33:07.000 Ladies and gentlemen.

01:33:08.000 Ladies and gentlemen, we are in the 21st century and information is power, folks.

01:33:13.000 And if we can, information is power.

01:33:16.000 But it's, and here's the ironic part the ironic part that underlies the law.

01:33:20.000 The media can manipulate people so well because they have the infrastructure.

01:33:24.000 You cannot mean.

01:33:24.000 For you to undermine that shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

01:33:28.000 You cannot mean.

01:33:29.000 You cannot mean power in the United States.

01:33:31.000 You can't mean because you don't tell the truth.

01:33:34.000 And memes are only powerful because memes tell the truth, even when it's ugly, even when it's controversial and dissident. 0.96

01:33:41.000 And you'll sit there and your whole deal is a liar.

01:33:45.000 Are you calling me a liar? 1.00

01:33:47.000 You are a liar. 1.00

01:33:48.000 You're a liar. 1.00

01:33:49.000 I asked you for one practical solution. 1.00

01:33:51.000 You can't even give it to me.

01:33:52.000 You're telling me something people can already do.

01:33:55.000 Little Mikey.

01:33:55.000 This is not against the law.

01:33:57.000 Little Mikey being a rough thing, the yelling.

01:33:59.000 It's a little much.

01:34:01.000 Don't call me a liar. 1.00

01:34:02.000 Little Mikey, you are a liar. 1.00

01:34:04.000 But here's the thing. 1.00

01:34:07.000 You're a liar. 1.00

01:34:08.000 You and you. 1.00

01:34:09.000 You're a psychicist.

01:34:10.000 You know, you want to separate people.

01:34:12.000 I understand. 0.86

01:34:13.000 You and you are New Right.

01:34:14.000 You and your new right cohorts like to go around and you pretend like you're edgy.

01:34:18.000 You pretend like we're really pushing the envelope here. 0.98

01:34:21.000 But then, when it comes to actual truths, then when it comes to actual things, which I'm giving you the truth, you cuck. 0.97

01:34:28.000 You reject it. 0.92

01:34:30.000 That's Jim Crow.

01:34:31.000 You know what cognitive dissonance is.

01:34:31.000 That's racist.

01:34:33.000 Because you are owned.

01:34:34.000 You're either owned or you're one of them.

01:34:37.000 But there is no in between.

01:34:38.000 I'm nobody of anybody.

01:34:40.000 How dare you call me one of them, call me that I'm owned, anything like this?

01:34:44.000 You don't know what I've sacrificed.

01:34:46.000 I have no idea what I've sacrificed.

01:34:47.000 I think I have a pretty good idea.

01:34:49.000 Every day of my life, I think I got a pretty good idea.

01:34:53.000 Oh, you can't even say that with a stream.

01:34:54.000 What do you do? 1.00

01:34:56.000 Look at your shit in the background. 1.00

01:34:58.000 You have green screens hanging around. 1.00

01:35:00.000 Oh, my God.

01:35:01.000 You're a mess. 0.99

01:35:02.000 You're a 19 year old kid. 1.00

01:35:03.000 Okay.

01:35:04.000 There it is.

01:35:05.000 Don't call me a liar.

01:35:06.000 There it is.

01:35:06.000 Don't call me owned by anybody.

01:35:11.000 You're one of them.

01:35:13.000 I gotta read the stream labs, guys.

01:35:16.000 Why don't you prove it?

01:35:16.000 Hold on.

01:35:17.000 You're just saying things.

01:35:20.000 You're just saying.

01:35:21.000 I think everybody could see where you lied.

01:35:23.000 Nobody's lying about anything.

01:35:25.000 The only one that's lying is you.

01:35:27.000 You came out.

01:35:28.000 And you're advocating for something that will never exist in the United States.

01:35:31.000 I asked you how you did it.

01:35:33.000 You stumbled.

01:35:34.000 Put that knife down.

01:35:35.000 Get a black screen.

01:35:37.000 Get a black screen.

01:35:38.000 Why do you have the green screen? 0.59

01:35:40.000 You came out guns blazing saying, I don't, of course, I believe in racial differences.

01:35:46.000 And then when it came to, it got a little hot water.

01:35:50.000 No, you're putting words in my mouth.

01:35:52.000 I told you people are different, but that doesn't mean you need to look at somebody and Inferior, or you can't get along with them because of their race or religion.

01:35:59.000 You don't even want to live in the same neighborhood as somebody because of their race.

01:36:04.000 Do you know how barbaric you are?

01:36:06.000 Do you want to know what the real red pill is?

01:36:08.000 I'm going to tell you what the real red pill is.

01:36:09.000 Listen, listen.

01:36:10.000 You don't want to live with somebody in the same neighborhood because of your race.

01:36:13.000 You already know who it is, big guy.

01:36:16.000 Hey, hey.

01:36:18.000 This is because of you.

01:36:18.000 Hey, you.

01:36:20.000 You did this.

01:36:21.000 And now.

01:36:22.000 Me?

01:36:23.000 Yeah.

01:36:23.000 I'm not even a religious guy.

01:36:25.000 The blood?

01:36:26.000 You know what they said up there?

01:36:27.000 Hey, that's the classic argument.

01:36:29.000 That's the classic argument.

01:36:30.000 Because when you get beat intellectually, when you get whipped around the floor intellectually, when I say, what's the practical use?

01:36:37.000 You can't even give me anything.

01:36:39.000 I've been intellectually.

01:36:40.000 And then you debate me on the semantics for an hour and a half straight.

01:36:43.000 Then, then, only then, when you're trapped in your little corner, will you say, oh, this right here is the reason that your people, listen, this, I'm no, look, what do you mean my people?

01:36:55.000 You know what I mean?

01:36:55.000 What are you saying me for doing it?

01:36:57.000 You know what I mean.

01:36:58.000 You know what I mean, big guy.

01:36:59.000 Hey, look.

01:37:00.000 Hey.

01:37:01.000 I don't see race.

01:37:01.000 Don't stereotype me.

01:37:03.000 Don't stereotype me with any group of people.

01:37:06.000 I would never stereotype anybody, okay?

01:37:09.000 When I see these people, I don't know.

01:37:11.000 Remember the Halsey English interview?

01:37:14.000 You said, Are you Jewish? 0.99

01:37:16.000 And you fucking laughed at the guy. 1.00

01:37:16.000 She said, Yeah. 1.00

01:37:18.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:37:19.000 That was some rude shit. 0.99

01:37:20.000 Why would you do that to somebody? 1.00

01:37:22.000 That's messed up. 1.00

01:37:23.000 Are you Jewish? 0.94

01:37:24.000 You don't want to laugh at somebody.

01:37:25.000 I'm not really religious.

01:37:28.000 You're Jewish. 0.99

01:37:30.000 I know it.

01:37:30.000 You know it.

01:37:31.000 Don't do it to me, boy.

01:37:33.000 I know it.

01:37:33.000 But it's funny.

01:37:35.000 The bracelet.

01:37:36.000 Hey, the bracelet's coming out.

01:37:39.000 Go do this.

01:37:40.000 This right here is the reason you got schooled intellectually.

01:37:44.000 Because, Gina, I'm just kidding.

01:37:46.000 If we could get to you.

01:37:47.000 Anyway, he's got the high IQ.

01:37:49.000 Hey, real quick, real quick.

01:37:51.000 Two minute break.

01:37:52.000 Look in the corner.

01:37:53.000 Mike, Mike, Mike.

01:37:53.000 Hey, Mike.

01:37:55.000 Two minute break.

01:37:56.000 I got to read these Streamlabs.

01:37:58.000 I love the high energy.

01:38:00.000 We're having fun.

01:38:01.000 We're just having fun.

01:38:02.000 This is a lot of fun.

01:38:03.000 It's good.

01:38:04.000 All right.

01:38:05.000 Stein with three dogs.

01:38:05.000 Real quick.

01:38:06.000 Nick has an impressive mind for a young whipper-stapper. 0.84

01:38:10.000 The Jew hatred is taken too far sometimes. 0.64

01:38:14.000 The Jew hatred?

01:38:16.000 What?

01:38:16.000 I don't know.

01:38:17.000 The guy, remember?

01:38:18.000 I don't know. 1.00

01:38:19.000 It was funny because he was being a hypocrite. 0.99

01:38:22.000 But, okay, wait. 0.99

01:38:24.000 A lot of these are coming in.

01:38:24.000 Hold on.

01:38:26.000 Why am I getting lost here?

01:38:28.000 Guys, send your super chats now while we have a chance.

01:38:30.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:38:31.000 Send them now. 0.99

01:38:33.000 Because they're all coming in.

01:38:37.000 Why am I losing this?

01:38:38.000 Okay, sorry.

01:38:40.000 Nick has an impressive mind for young whippersnapper. 0.72

01:38:42.000 The Jew hatred is taking too far sometimes, but toques really is the America destroying Jew meme that the alt right is.

01:38:49.000 Dude, I love this country so much.

01:38:53.000 All right, Sheckle Bernstein said, Oi, goi, Nick is crushing this debate. 0.72

01:38:59.000 Rabbi Tokes shall be condemned to an eternal goyim experience. 0.88

01:39:04.000 All right, thank you. 1.00

01:39:05.000 Valentin with the 10 bucks. 0.91

01:39:07.000 White South Africans would not be in the predicament that they are in if they weren't such a small minority. 0.90

01:39:13.000 Being a racial majority offers far more protection for whites than some ever changing ideology of civic nationalism. 0.91

01:39:20.000 Minority equals vulnerable. 0.98

01:39:23.000 CJ with the five bucks.

01:39:25.000 I'd like to hear the opinions of both guests on how we should fight the war against online conservative outlets.

01:39:31.000 They've taken major hits in recent months.

01:39:34.000 If we can't win the battle against the algorithms, we can't continue either variant of nationalism.

01:39:41.000 Unity for, and I think we're going to come back to that for Mike.

01:39:44.000 I think that'll be a good one for Mike.

01:39:45.000 Unity with the two bucks.

01:39:46.000 Show us your bracelet toques.

01:39:48.000 Meme the toad with the two bucks.

01:39:50.000 Hey, big, can you give me your opinion in regards to Astrid posting and whether or not it is the best meme?

01:39:57.000 Please tell me more about your book.

01:39:58.000 I'm not sure what Astro Posting is.

01:40:00.000 And the book is back.

01:40:03.000 It's in my description.

01:40:03.000 You can go buy it on Amazon.

01:40:07.000 Shlomo with the five bucks. 1.00

01:40:09.000 Nick, you don't think blacks' tribal interests can be funneled into a more reactionary direction? 1.00

01:40:14.000 Maybe we need to give Hotep a bigger microphone. 1.00

01:40:17.000 Sure.

01:40:19.000 Paul Saar with the five bucks.

01:40:21.000 It was just announced by the ADL.

01:40:23.000 They just censored and shut down all those meme accounts that you bought, Mike.

01:40:29.000 I know.

01:40:29.000 I hate the ADL.

01:40:32.000 They're shutting down the meme account.

01:40:36.000 Neo Mussolini with the two bucks.

01:40:38.000 Mike Tokes just wants to continue to leech off whites. 1.00

01:40:42.000 This is what all minorities fight for politically deep down, and they know it.

01:40:47.000 I'm not a minority.

01:40:49.000 Mike Tokenstein donated $5.

01:40:52.000 Mike, how does it feel to be a supporter of white genocide?

01:40:56.000 I'm not a supporter of white genocide. 0.96

01:40:58.000 Zuck with the dollar.

01:41:00.000 Nick forgot Brazil on the civic nationalism list. 1.00

01:41:05.000 Okay, I guess that's true.

01:41:07.000 Yeah, Barack Obama with five bucks. 0.78

01:41:10.000 Mikey Boy, are minorities the responsibility of white people? 0.76

01:41:15.000 If not, what is wrong with separate ethno states? 0.87

01:41:17.000 You say America has worked, but how much better would it be if we didn't pay handouts or fill college systems with minorities? 0.94

01:41:28.000 My account with two bucks. 0.99

01:41:29.000 Black Republicans.

01:41:30.000 Did not vote in mass for Ben Carson.

01:41:33.000 There also are many examples of such in House and Senate races. 0.89

01:41:38.000 Fuentes, black tribalism vote point, which he owns, the only antidote to support has been broken many times. 0.91

01:41:47.000 Civnat, get the knives out with the dollar.

01:41:52.000 Mike Tokes is the type of guy to roll out his chapstick and take a bite.

01:41:58.000 All right.

01:42:00.000 Depending on people you have out here, I don't know.

01:42:03.000 I don't know.

01:42:04.000 We've got a couple more here.

01:42:05.000 Pound through them.

01:42:06.000 American Caesar, Mike, ethnic nationalism will never work in America.

01:42:11.000 Explain our first 350 years from the first settlement at Jamestown until the 1960s. 0.70

01:42:17.000 Much longer history of ethno nationalism than civcuck nationalism.

01:42:21.000 True. 0.64

01:42:21.000 Too shy. 0.64

01:42:22.000 Om Honer, five bucks.

01:42:24.000 Thank you, buddy. 1.00

01:42:25.000 Try to rent your basement apartment to whites only. 0.96

01:42:29.000 Charles Conk with the five bucks. 0.79

01:42:31.000 Nick references lists showing civnat versus ethno nat countries and a study on racial cohesiveness in society and its observed effects.

01:42:41.000 Mike can't address his argument at all, so simply strawmans with So you advocate for civil war?

01:42:47.000 Mike, you can't debate.

01:42:51.000 Bork with the $1.

01:42:52.000 Mike doesn't care about anyone's skin color so long as they have worthless meme accounts and a yarmulke. 0.97

01:42:58.000 Also, little Mikey the liar doesn't know the difference between voluntary communities versus government mandated diversity for whites and white only. 0.96

01:43:09.000 Clam Digger with the $5.

01:43:11.000 Thank you, buddy.

01:43:12.000 Hey, Mike Talmud Tokes, pull back his curtains so we can see the framed pennies you have hanging on the wall.

01:43:19.000 Keep flexing the big 250 IQ, big knife Nick.

01:43:25.000 And we got one more here Shlomo Guerrillianstein with the dollar.

01:43:30.000 Hey, Goyam, I'm a base Jew. 0.72

01:43:32.000 Let me join you.

01:43:33.000 I promise I won't derail this.

01:43:36.000 All right. 0.65

01:43:37.000 So that is all the Streamlabs. 1.00

01:43:39.000 The one I did want Mike to address, which I think there were a lot of good ones there, some silly ones. 1.00

01:43:47.000 I think one is Black Republicans did not vote in mass for Ben Carson. 0.96

01:43:52.000 I think that was pretty good.

01:43:53.000 But we did go over that topic quite a bit.

01:43:57.000 But I would like to talk about conservative tech.

01:44:01.000 Yeah, so I'll repeat this.

01:44:03.000 This was CJ.

01:44:04.000 He said, I'd like to hear the opinion from both guests on how we can fight the war against online conservative outlets.

01:44:11.000 They've taken major hits in recent months.

01:44:14.000 If we can't win the battle against the algorithms, we can't continue either variant of nationalism.

01:44:20.000 So I want both of you to answer that.

01:44:22.000 Go ahead, Mike.

01:44:24.000 Yeah, we've seen the conservative censorship.

01:44:26.000 It's blatant.

01:44:27.000 It's always masqueraded as hate speech or anything like that.

01:44:29.000 And we're seeing that happen in the United Kingdom all too often as well.

01:44:34.000 The bottom line is that we need legislation or we need something.

01:44:38.000 I like that Ted Cruz came out and he blasted YouTube and said if you're an internet public forum, you're not held to liability as long as you don't discriminate based on political ideology or belief or ethnicity or religion or anything like that.

01:44:53.000 The fact is that they always masqueraded as hate speech.

01:44:56.000 Or they always change the algorithms so that we're all in these different internet ghettos.

01:45:00.000 So you have conservatives over here and liberals over here.

01:45:03.000 And then most of the populace, they give the advantage to the leftists and the liberals because that's ultimately the bias that they have.

01:45:11.000 So I think we need an internet bill of rights.

01:45:13.000 You can see it on my Twitter.

01:45:14.000 We published this.

01:45:15.000 We did a hashtag campaign, free the internet.

01:45:18.000 We tagged as many congressmen as possible.

01:45:20.000 We were tweeting about it for weeks.

01:45:23.000 And then nowadays, that was maybe like two or three months ago.

01:45:26.000 Nowadays, we have people like Ted Kloos coming out and saying it.

01:45:28.000 We have different congressional people, congressmen that are saying it.

01:45:32.000 So at least they recognize that I think we need an internet bill of rights ultimately.

01:45:36.000 And I think that if you want to be a little bit subversive and try to be adaptive to the algorithmic changes and Facebook and Twitter, you can create new accounts that are left leaning, follow all left leaning people, and then kind of get in there with the algorithms and then change it from the inside as well.

01:45:53.000 That works perfectly fine.

01:45:56.000 Did you say be a little subversive?

01:45:58.000 Did I catch that, Rick?

01:45:59.000 Yeah.

01:46:00.000 Like we have like Democrats for.

01:46:03.000 You know, so and so, whatever the case is, how you want to be receptive to that audience because the algorithms will have conservatives here, Republicans here.

01:46:11.000 So, if you create a new account and you're, you know, you put a Democrat or you follow all Democrats, the algorithm will put you on that side.

01:46:18.000 Subversive meme accounts.

01:46:20.000 Yes.

01:46:21.000 Go ahead, Nick.

01:46:21.000 Okay.

01:46:22.000 What is your information is powered?

01:46:25.000 Yeah.

01:46:25.000 It's been tough because I've actually been, I think, shadow banned on Twitter.

01:46:29.000 My engagement's been like it was one day it was really good and then the next day it was gone.

01:46:34.000 And so I've had a real like dopamine withdrawal.

01:46:37.000 I'm not getting the likes like I used to, but I'm tough out there.

01:46:42.000 To fix that.

01:46:43.000 Maybe you should ask Tokes for some retweets from his meme accounts.

01:46:47.000 I need the influencers on my side.

01:46:49.000 But no, the thing we got to do is there's really not a whole lot that individuals can do in terms of like to expect people to go on Twitter and tweet about their displeasure with Twitter.

01:47:01.000 I'm not certain that that's incredibly effective.

01:47:04.000 I think it's just got to come down to, like Mike said, some kind of internet bill of rights.

01:47:08.000 There has to be legislative protections if that means.

01:47:11.000 That we break up monopolies.

01:47:13.000 If we can classify Twitter and Facebook as monopolies and their separate areas in social media, if that means breaking them up or passing some kind of extension of the First Amendment or the 14th Amendment online or something to that effect.

01:47:26.000 But I think it's got to be legislative.

01:47:28.000 I don't see how else you can bring it about because you know the reform is not going to come from within.

01:47:33.000 Like Mike says, information is power.

01:47:35.000 They know that.

01:47:35.000 They know how powerful the tools they've created are.

01:47:39.000 And after the 2016 election, they're not going to let them fall into the wrong hands again.

01:47:44.000 Trump used Facebook.

01:47:46.000 Trump used Twitter very effectively.

01:47:48.000 They're not going to allow the Republicans or any kind of right wing movement to survive without strangling it in the crib.

01:47:54.000 So it's got to come from the Congress.

01:47:56.000 I agree with Mike on that one.

01:47:58.000 All right.

01:47:59.000 And we have one more Streamlabs that came through from, I can't even say the name because it's against terms of services.

01:48:10.000 But it says Mike Tokes belongs to the Jewish Federation of Las Vegas but hates identity politics.

01:48:16.000 He practices identity politics while shilling against it.

01:48:20.000 Will Mike Tokes reject his identity politics to stand true to his civic nationalist beliefs?

01:48:28.000 What do you have to say?

01:48:30.000 I'm just an American citizen trying to fight the liberal left.

01:48:34.000 That's what I'm doing.

01:48:35.000 I don't play identitarian politics.

01:48:37.000 I try to unite as many people as possible and say, hey, these are the enemy.

01:48:40.000 These are the people that will put chains on you.

01:48:43.000 These are the people that are manipulating your opinion. 0.99

01:48:45.000 We need to fight and destroy them.

01:48:47.000 So I don't care who's on my team as long as you're fighting the good fight.

01:48:51.000 So, I don't have any identitarian politics.

01:48:53.000 I think most of the time, left wing people are more so aligned in identity.

01:48:58.000 But I thought you said before you did support blacks for Trump, Latinos for Trump.

01:49:04.000 Some people are saying you're Jews for Trump, et cetera. 0.90

01:49:07.000 Yeah, like if you want to have a group or something like that, you should be able to do that.

01:49:11.000 Isn't that identity politics?

01:49:13.000 So, yeah, if you're identity politics, identity politics constitutes something much further than that.

01:49:18.000 I think that's.

01:49:19.000 Which would be what?

01:49:20.000 To be fair, I think that exactly is identity politics.

01:49:23.000 I mean, that's. 0.70

01:49:24.000 Latinos for Trump, and I don't think there's anything wrong with it, but that's literally saying that is a race for Trump. 0.70

01:49:31.000 And then what do they do there?

01:49:32.000 Of course, other people can go, but they advocate mostly for what is going to be good for the Latino community, what is going to be good for the black community.

01:49:41.000 So I'm just trying to keep things honest here. 0.86

01:49:44.000 I think you are engaged in some identity politics.

01:49:47.000 Maybe you're not going overboard with it.

01:49:52.000 But do people have a right to do it?

01:49:54.000 Of course, you have a right to do anything you want in this world.

01:49:57.000 So as long as it agrees with the law.

01:50:00.000 I'm not going to be the one that comes out and says a lot of that kind of stuff. 0.69

01:50:04.000 But if you want to do Latinos for Trump and Jews for Trump, I might have said it once or twice before for sure. 0.96

01:50:10.000 But that's because we have demographics we need to change. 0.98

01:50:12.000 We have to get people to. 0.99

01:50:16.000 Do you think these are positive net benefits, having Jews for Trump, Blacks for Trump, or do you think they're a negative thing? 0.99

01:50:24.000 No, I think in that light, I think it's a positive thing for sure. 0.99

01:50:28.000 And you have every right to do it or congregate or voluntarily segregate. 0.81

01:50:34.000 Even though all these groups come to the rallies and there'll be a Latinos for Trump.

01:50:37.000 But there's such diversity, and there's a ton of different people of all different, you know, races and ethnicities at these events and stuff.

01:50:44.000 They're just advocating for, you know, whatever, a little bit of identitarian politics.

01:50:49.000 Yeah.

01:50:49.000 But I don't really push it.

01:50:51.000 I don't really.

01:50:52.000 I just want to make sure you see that because that was something that I saw as a hypocrisy I saw a lot of people saying, oh, we identity politics are the devil.

01:51:01.000 And they would like come after me just for some things.

01:51:05.000 And then I look in their Twitter bio and it's like hashtag gays for Trump, hashtag blacks for Trump, hashtag. 0.96

01:51:11.000 And I'm like, yeah.

01:51:13.000 That is an identity group.

01:51:15.000 You're not saying Americans for Trump, so you are playing identity politics if you're supporting those groups.

01:51:22.000 Yeah, identity politics will beat identity politics.

01:51:26.000 So you think just got to play the dirty game?

01:51:29.000 Wait, wait, wait.

01:51:30.000 You're going to play the left at their own game and play it better and destroy the liberal establishment that has claimed power for the last 50 years over this country.

01:51:36.000 Yes, absolutely.

01:51:37.000 By any means necessary.

01:51:39.000 Go ahead, Nick.

01:51:39.000 I have a question for Michael.

01:51:40.000 Nikki.

01:51:41.000 I've seen this.

01:51:41.000 Yes.

01:51:43.000 I've seen this on Twitter and in the live chat, and I just I'm wondering if it's true.

01:51:48.000 Were you ever a member of the Jewish Federation of Las Vegas?

01:51:52.000 I played poker with those boys out there.

01:51:52.000 Is that true?

01:51:55.000 Good guy.

01:51:56.000 Oh, there.

01:51:57.000 Look, I gamble a lot.

01:51:58.000 I play poker.

01:52:00.000 The community is wrong.

01:52:01.000 There it is.

01:52:02.000 Ah, he got me. 1.00

01:52:04.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

01:52:06.000 Identity politics for me, but not for the. 1.00

01:52:09.000 Oh, I'm not exactly.

01:52:11.000 I see myself a lot as a minority.

01:52:12.000 Who's saying anything of the sort?

01:52:14.000 I see myself as a minority.

01:52:15.000 Only identity politics for anyone.

01:52:18.000 While you're playing with your pocketbook, I just think it's yeah, all right.

01:52:23.000 Uh, that's not important, right?

01:52:25.000 We got a couple.

01:52:25.000 Here's okay.

01:52:26.000 Uh, that's not identity politics, that's identity congregation.

01:52:31.000 Identity politics is playing people based on their ethnicity and voting patterns.

01:52:35.000 I want a congregation called the United States of America.

01:52:38.000 I want a congregation, it's beautiful, and everybody else, at least, yeah, you know, and like you said, your identity of uh, or your definition of an American is an upstanding white man.

01:52:51.000 So, I mean, as for everybody else.

01:52:53.000 I support the American definition of the founders and the vets.

01:52:57.000 Okay.

01:52:57.000 I look, the World War II vets agree with me on this issue.

01:53:00.000 And if you're going to counter signal World War II veterans, I don't even know.

01:53:04.000 Bad optics.

01:53:05.000 Bad optics. 1.00

01:53:06.000 You're going to count the World War II vets.

01:53:09.000 If you look at those brave heroes, are you going to disagree with millions and millions of people and veterans in this country that don't agree with your identity politics?

01:53:19.000 Are you really going to go against our founding fathers?

01:53:22.000 That's what you're doing.

01:53:23.000 Are you really going to go against?

01:53:28.000 I can't believe you want to counter signal the greatest generation, but they storm the beaches of Normandy. 0.90

01:53:35.000 Our founders, our presidents, and you're sitting there and you say, Hey, no, we want to have this like Brazilified. 0.83

01:53:41.000 I think you're doing it now. 0.97

01:53:45.000 Come on, come on.

01:53:47.000 I know what you're doing.

01:53:48.000 I know what you're doing.

01:53:50.000 You're saying the world's busting your chops.

01:53:52.000 I'm just giving you a little taste of your own medicine.

01:53:54.000 That's all.

01:53:55.000 It's a little sampling.

01:53:56.000 Okay, well, we're going to wrap this up in a bit.

01:54:00.000 This flew by two hours already.

01:54:03.000 But, real quick, one of the last points I want to talk about.

01:54:08.000 Mike, so you, I just want you to explain in your own words.

01:54:13.000 You say that identity politics.

01:54:17.000 I thought we went over this.

01:54:20.000 You haven't even let me ask the question.

01:54:23.000 You don't even know what I'm going to ask.

01:54:25.000 Something with identity politics.

01:54:27.000 Well, that's the conversation.

01:54:29.000 Okay.

01:54:30.000 So, you have said.

01:54:32.000 That you think identity politics are a destructive force, that you don't want to be a part of them.

01:54:36.000 That's what this whole conversation has been about.

01:54:39.000 So, what, like, just in your own words, what do you think, like, the main problem with identity politics is?

01:54:46.000 Like, where do you see the destruction?

01:54:48.000 Where do you see the problems with identity politics?

01:54:51.000 Look, intellectually, you should understand that you should judge people not on their race or their skin color.

01:54:55.000 You should look at their merits.

01:54:56.000 You should look at their character.

01:54:57.000 You should look at their personality.

01:54:58.000 You should look at their identity.

01:54:59.000 You should not their identity.

01:55:00.000 I'm sorry, their ideologies.

01:55:02.000 You should look at the things that they present to the table and they say, these are the things that we're looking to change.

01:55:06.000 That's what you should judge people on.

01:55:08.000 And that's what you should judge a candidate on who's running for Congress or running for president.

01:55:12.000 You don't just look at them and say, oh, this is their skin color.

01:55:15.000 Oh, I'm going to vote for them because the people that do, unfortunately, a lot of the times they're not so politically inclined.

01:55:20.000 They rely more so on emotional, the emotional aspect of it, or that familiar feeling of this is someone that probably relates to my everyday life instead of actually listening to what they say.

01:55:32.000 And it's a little bit of cognitive dissonance.

01:55:34.000 They kind of immediately reject anything else that's based in facts and logic.

01:55:38.000 Because they've been so disenfranchised in the political system for the longest time.

01:55:42.000 So, in that case, I think identity politics is somewhat poisonous, especially to the misinformed voter base.

01:55:49.000 As far as beating the left at their own game, as far as perpetuating the same Saul Alinsky tactics in order to destroy the liberal establishment and reclaim the sovereignty of our nation from these powerful, wealthy global elites that have exerted undue influence on our government, absolutely, by any means necessary, we need to get the job done.

01:56:07.000 So, those are the two differentiations right there.

01:56:10.000 Yeah, I think that's a noble cause.

01:56:12.000 I just wanted to be clear because it is sort of a complex issue.

01:56:17.000 Yeah, you know, there's multiple facets.

01:56:19.000 It's a big tent.

01:56:20.000 All right, so I'm going to read.

01:56:22.000 We've got a couple more Streamlabs and then we're going to give closing statements here.

01:56:26.000 I really appreciate both of you guys for coming on.

01:56:28.000 This has been more than excited.

01:56:32.000 There's a lot of clips out there.

01:56:33.000 Kronos and American Pride have already been clipping, I'm sure.

01:56:38.000 All right, so Zuck said, question for Nick Are Jews white? 0.67

01:56:43.000 They're not. 0.96

01:56:44.000 They're not. 0.91

01:56:45.000 What is white?

01:56:47.000 What is white?

01:56:48.000 Like what?

01:56:49.000 What defines white?

01:56:50.000 If I'm 72% European heritage. 0.56

01:56:53.000 If I'm 72% European and the remainder Ashkenazi, am I white? 0.50

01:56:59.000 Well, Jews are a very specific case because according to Jewish law, as you may know, if the mother is Jewish, regardless of what the percentage is, the kid is Jewish. 0.62

01:57:09.000 So there is an ethnic component with Judaism, which is a little bit.

01:57:13.000 Peculiar, but with everybody else, if it's a mixture, um, then it's a little bit uh, it's a little bit because no one is really a hundred percent white, right?

01:57:22.000 So, you're even if your ethnic nationalism would be that's not entirely true.

01:57:27.000 Well, but I'm not saying it's based on you know like some kind of purity of a hundred percent, but I am saying that you know somebody asked, Are Jews white?

01:57:35.000 I don't think Jews are Jews wouldn't call themselves white, 30 African American, but they exert uh light melatonin, which their skin is white. 0.90

01:57:45.000 Are they still white? 0.88

01:57:47.000 I don't know.

01:57:47.000 It depends.

01:57:48.000 I mean, it depends on the particular case.

01:57:51.000 It depends on the particular case.

01:57:52.000 I mean, it depends on a lot of factors.

01:57:54.000 I think, you know, common is a good example, or not common.

01:57:57.000 Who's the wrapper?

01:57:59.000 Logic. 1.00

01:58:00.000 Logic, he says he's like mixed, but he looks white. 1.00

01:58:03.000 He has African. 0.98

01:58:04.000 Would he be allowed to be African or not? 1.00

01:58:06.000 But he's white enough. 0.91

01:58:07.000 I'm not for an ethnostate. 1.00

01:58:08.000 I'm not for that. 0.98

01:58:10.000 I'm for self segregation.

01:58:11.000 People can choose to not consider themselves white.

01:58:15.000 I think to put this debate in simple terms, we could say self segregation versus meme accounts.

01:58:24.000 All right.

01:58:24.000 There you go.

01:58:25.000 So let's pound through these. 0.64

01:58:28.000 Cloudstar, five bucks.

01:58:30.000 Thank you, buddy. 1.00

01:58:31.000 Getting the other races red pilled will take some time, but it's possible. 1.00

01:58:35.000 The ethno state or the ethno shit isn't helping. 1.00

01:58:39.000 Blacks did help us build this country. 1.00

01:58:41.000 That's true. 1.00

01:58:43.000 Our ancestors brought them here, so it's their fault, really. 0.95

01:58:46.000 Also, black people are funny.

01:58:49.000 Love internet, blood sports, and baked Alaska. 0.98

01:58:52.000 Hey, thank you.

01:58:53.000 But that is, there's some good points there.

01:58:58.000 I mean, dude, like, I want.

01:58:58.000 I agree.

01:59:01.000 50% of black people or more to vote Republican or conservative.

01:59:05.000 Absolutely.

01:59:07.000 It's just, it's a hard battle right now.

01:59:10.000 So, a lot of people are frustrated. 0.74

01:59:12.000 But hey, if Tokes can pull together the meme accounts and get half of the black vote for Trump, I'm all for that. 0.80

01:59:20.000 Trump 2020, let's go. 0.76

01:59:22.000 Let's get everyone together and stop this fighting.

01:59:26.000 Really, really great comment.

01:59:27.000 Wesk with the five bucks.

01:59:27.000 Thank you.

01:59:29.000 Mike's argument that the people in power make it harder for you to implement.

01:59:34.000 What you want to do does not invalidate or make anything Nick says untrue.

01:59:42.000 Optimate with the three bucks.

01:59:43.000 Thank you. 1.00

01:59:43.000 Nick needs to stop pretending he's not a Castito. 1.00

01:59:50.000 Castizo. 1.00

01:59:51.000 I never pretended I wasn't. 0.97

01:59:54.000 Are you a Latino?

01:59:55.000 Yeah, of course.

01:59:56.000 This is common knowledge.

01:59:58.000 Do you know my last name?

01:59:59.000 You know my last name?

02:00:01.000 Are you.

02:00:02.000 How.

02:00:03.000 So I don't understand you, Nick.

02:00:05.000 I don't understand.

02:00:05.000 Why don't you understand?

02:00:08.000 You're advocating for ethnic nationalism in the United States of America, but you would want the predominant, so you would go with the Latino community. 0.97

02:00:15.000 Let the chips fall where they may. 0.97

02:00:16.000 I think I'm 85, or rather, I'm 80% European.

02:00:20.000 If you trust the 23 in me numbers, I'm 80% European. 0.99

02:00:25.000 I would say I go along with the whites. 1.00

02:00:27.000 But hey, look, regardless, let the chips fall where they may. 0.95

02:00:30.000 What if the white security spiral and say, we only want 100% European? 0.93

02:00:34.000 You can't segregate with it. 1.00

02:00:35.000 That'll make Mexico great again. 1.00

02:00:37.000 But.

02:00:39.000 But see, unlike you, that has no bearing on my opinion.

02:00:43.000 I look at the facts and I let the chips fall where they may.

02:00:46.000 You're a funny guy.

02:00:47.000 Maybe you got a little bit to go.

02:00:48.000 All right.

02:00:49.000 All right.

02:00:50.000 Knife man with the five bucks.

02:00:51.000 Thank you.

02:00:53.000 Mike admits that white Americans have been subverted and manipulated by the left while also taking the stance that the argument for ethno nationalism has to operate within the bounds of the current iteration of the modern world, which is a total illusion.

02:01:09.000 Cloudstar, five bucks.

02:01:11.000 Someone get Tokes Meme Magic.

02:01:14.000 Yeah, you do need to get a copy of my book, Mike.

02:01:16.000 It might help you with your meme accounts.

02:01:19.000 I got a book for you at the house.

02:01:22.000 I'll get you one.

02:01:24.000 Kyler with the 420.

02:01:25.000 Thank you, dude.

02:01:26.000 What up, Nick the Knife and Baked?

02:01:28.000 Much respect.

02:01:29.000 Keep up the good work, Ram Ranch.

02:01:32.000 Thank you.

02:01:33.000 Apple donated a dollar.

02:01:37.000 Mike, can we see your nose from the side?

02:01:42.000 I'm sure there's pictures out there.

02:01:44.000 There you go.

02:01:47.000 And then David Clark.

02:01:51.000 Actually, there's actually memes of.

02:01:55.000 What?

02:01:57.000 Nothing at all.

02:01:59.000 Are you sure you don't belong to the Jewish Federation of Las Vegas?

02:02:05.000 I don't know, guys.

02:02:10.000 I don't know.

02:02:13.000 Dude, so many people ask me if I'm Jewish, and I'm not, unfortunately.

02:02:19.000 I wish I had a higher IQ. 0.82

02:02:21.000 I wish I had that Ashkenazi blood. 1.00

02:02:24.000 Then I would be a lot smarter, probably make a lot more money. 0.99

02:02:28.000 But unfortunately, I don't got it in me.

02:02:32.000 I am Irish, Slav, and French Canadian.

02:02:36.000 So, unfortunately.

02:02:37.000 All right.

02:02:38.000 David Clark with the five bucks.

02:02:40.000 Thank you, buddy.

02:02:41.000 109 countries and counting. 0.99

02:02:43.000 Tokes, you and yours never know when you've pushed the native population too far. 1.00

02:02:49.000 We're approaching a slack tide, and you won't like how things turn out when more of us find out how you people have subverted and attacked us. 1.00

02:03:01.000 You people.

02:03:03.000 I don't know what he means by you people.

02:03:06.000 American Caesar with the dollar.

02:03:08.000 Thank you, buddy.

02:03:09.000 Lil Mikey.

02:03:10.000 You can't compete with the six foot, nine inch, 250 IQ, 250 pound Chad.

02:03:17.000 He's a lean, mean knife wielding machine.

02:03:20.000 All right. 0.67

02:03:21.000 It's true.

02:03:23.000 Great, great comments, guys, in the Streamlabs.

02:03:26.000 I appreciate it.

02:03:27.000 This has been a wonderful event.

02:03:29.000 Thank you, guys, both for being here.

02:03:31.000 So let's go ahead and who would like to give their closing statement first?

02:03:36.000 Mike can go first if he'd like.

02:03:38.000 All right, go ahead, Mike.

02:03:40.000 And thanks again.

02:03:42.000 This was a blast.

02:03:43.000 Definitely want to have you back soon.

02:03:45.000 Blood sports.

02:03:45.000 It's always a lot of fun.

02:03:47.000 Guys, I saw it a lot in the Richard Spencer debate.

02:03:50.000 Don't conflate things that I say, don't misrepresent things that I say.

02:03:53.000 Go back and find out exactly what I said and post that in the comments because I see people a lot of times they're automatically biased towards Nick because he represents a lot more of their ideology.

02:04:04.000 But I want you to not be so.

02:04:07.000 In a sense of cognitive dissonance, hear what I say and quote me exactly and say, I disagree with this because, and always give me a because.

02:04:13.000 And you can follow me on Twitter and do that at twitter.comslash M I K E T O K E S.

02:04:19.000 And by the way, guys, we're working to unify the populace.

02:04:22.000 We're working to red pill as many people as possible.

02:04:24.000 I'll be buying up the meme accounts.

02:04:26.000 I'll be working on congressional campaigns.

02:04:27.000 I'll be trying to change the system from within because ultimately I think that's the only way that we'll accomplish our goals and objectives.

02:04:34.000 It was a really great debate, though.

02:04:35.000 It got a little bit fiery over there at a couple of the times in it, but I still think you're a great guy.

02:04:41.000 I think you're a little bit, you know, a little bit young.

02:04:44.000 I think that we would differ on some things here and there, but I think that we'll come to some agreements on some other things.

02:04:51.000 So it was a good debate.

02:04:52.000 Appreciate that.

02:04:53.000 Yeah.

02:04:54.000 Well, for my debate, I'd like to say the same.

02:04:56.000 Thanks to Baked Alaska for hosting the debate, putting it together.

02:05:00.000 He's a good guy.

02:05:00.000 Great fella.

02:05:02.000 Thanks to Mike Tokes for a great contest, a worthy opponent, and a fun debate.

02:05:07.000 And I definitely think we are still buddies, even though we disagree.

02:05:12.000 This is a male.

02:05:12.000 But it's fun.

02:05:14.000 This is a male thing.

02:05:15.000 It's what we do in the blood sports.

02:05:16.000 And I'm actually bleeding.

02:05:18.000 I cut myself a little bit, knife a little bit too sharp.

02:05:21.000 But, oh, close it out.

02:05:23.000 Yeah, the argument.

02:05:24.000 Can we see the cut?

02:05:26.000 Are you okay?

02:05:27.000 It's just, yeah, I'm all right.

02:05:28.000 Oh, wow.

02:05:28.000 It's just on my.

02:05:29.000 Be careful.

02:05:31.000 Yeah, I got to be careful.

02:05:32.000 This little one, the big one's not so sharp, but this little one, pretty sharp.

02:05:36.000 But, anywho, to get to the closing statement, the gestalt of the argument, I would just simply say this.

02:05:44.000 We have to be careful about what we mean when we talk about ethnic nationalism.

02:05:48.000 This is not ideology. 0.99

02:05:49.000 This is not something we want.

02:05:50.000 It's not even ideal, but this is the world as it is.

02:05:53.000 And as conservatives, as realists, we have to deal with the world not how we want it to be, not how John Locke says it is, but how it actually is.

02:06:01.000 And we see the record of history, social science, all the empirical evidence suggests that there are different peoples, different races, different ethnicities.

02:06:10.000 And all the evidence suggests that when these different peoples are occupying the same land, competing for the same resources, living under the same government, they tend not to cohabitate so peacefully.

02:06:21.000 And in the interest of peace, in the interest of everybody's mutual benefit, Ethnic nationalists simply believe that however it can be achieved, it would be better if there was a mitigation of this mixing that we see in the country today multi ethnic, multiracial, multicultural. 0.52

02:06:37.000 So I'm not a bad guy.

02:06:38.000 I don't think anybody's inferior.

02:06:39.000 I don't think anybody's bad or like I judge people differently on an individual basis.

02:06:44.000 But as a country, as a nation, as a civilization, we have to make these tough choices and we have to contribute to what's going to be a long term solution, what can be a sustainable and long term world order.

02:06:56.000 And I don't see a viable answer in civic nationalism.

02:06:59.000 So that's all.

02:07:01.000 All right.

02:07:02.000 Well, that was a marvelous time.

02:07:05.000 Just one quick more comment from Kyler.

02:07:08.000 He donated two bucks.

02:07:09.000 Thank you, dude.

02:07:10.000 He said, Much respect to you, too, Mike.

02:07:14.000 Didn't mean to forget you.

02:07:15.000 So, yeah, a lot of people in the comments think things were pretty hostile, but it seems at the end here, people have a lot of respect for Mike.

02:07:22.000 People got a lot of respect for Nick as well and for the whole blood sports community.

02:07:28.000 So, thank you guys so much.

02:07:30.000 I'm going to be doing a little post show here on my channel.

02:07:35.000 By myself afterwards, and I will catch up with you guys, Nick and Mike, later.

02:07:41.000 So, thank you guys so much.

02:07:42.000 And if you guys want to come hang out on my channel, I'll be going live in a couple minutes.

02:07:46.000 All right, take care, guys.

02:07:47.000 All right, bye.

02:07:48.000 Thank you.

America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - March 23, 2018

Nick Fuentes vs. Mike Tokes

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