America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - Nick Fuentes vs. RC Maxwell

00:00:03.000 Welcome, guys, to Monday Night Blood Sports.

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00:00:18.000 Welcome, welcome, guys.

00:00:19.000 We have a great show today.

00:00:21.000 We are currently waiting on RC Maxwell.

00:00:24.000 He's in an Uber, he's on the way here.

00:00:27.000 So, sorry for the wait. 0.86

00:00:28.000 Apparently, he's on Wakanda time.

00:00:31.000 I guess that's the thing. 0.98

00:00:32.000 But we have Mr. Fuentes here.

00:00:34.000 We'll do a little pre show for you.

00:00:36.000 Before RC shows up, he's on the way.

00:00:40.000 Heard myself a little bit there.

00:00:42.000 But yeah, welcome.

00:00:43.000 We're doing a debate about civic nationalism versus ethnic nationalism, which is, we sort of did a similar debate with Richard Spencer and Mike Tokes.

00:00:54.000 And I think it's a fascinating topic.

00:00:57.000 I think we're going to need to do many debates about this topic.

00:01:02.000 I think it's long overdue.

00:01:06.000 So yeah, we're pretty excited.

00:01:08.000 We also, on Wednesday, This is going to be another legendary Blood Sports.

00:01:13.000 It is on Wednesday night at 8 p.m. Eastern.

00:01:17.000 We're doing a debate on a very hot topic gun control.

00:01:22.000 And so we have the legendary Joe Biggs, formerly from InfoWars, showing up, and he's going to be debating Destiny.

00:01:32.000 So that is going to be wild.

00:01:33.000 That's a big one.

00:01:35.000 Yeah, how are you doing, Nick?

00:01:37.000 Doing well, doing well.

00:01:38.000 We just wrapped up America First. 0.65

00:01:40.000 We were actually talking about gun control.

00:01:42.000 We actually got a little bit.

00:01:44.000 Also, into ethnic nationalism towards the end of the show.

00:01:46.000 So I'm all charged up, ready to go, waiting on.

00:01:51.000 And I tweeted this out already.

00:01:52.000 I said, Does there even need to be an argument made against civic nationalism if RC doesn't show up to the debate on time?

00:02:01.000 I mean, doesn't it?

00:02:03.000 That's all the argument you need.

00:02:04.000 That's a good point.

00:02:05.000 That's a very good point.

00:02:07.000 I know.

00:02:08.000 We're waiting on him.

00:02:09.000 I said before the show, he FaceTimed us from his car.

00:02:13.000 I said to be.

00:02:13.000 Pretty funny if he just did the debate from his car, but he's on his way.

00:02:18.000 So, what is your whole spiel, I guess, on gun control?

00:02:23.000 Let's talk about that real quick before RC shows up.

00:02:27.000 What is the latest?

00:02:28.000 What are the people saying?

00:02:29.000 And what are the counter arguments here?

00:02:31.000 I think I saw Trump pass a little bit of gun control legislation, right?

00:02:36.000 Yeah, well, I was actually out there at a protest in Chicago yesterday.

00:02:42.000 Oh, yeah, that's right.

00:02:44.000 You know, it's kind of goofy.

00:02:46.000 The protesters, they weren't like they don't have a specific policy that would have prevented what happened in Florida.

00:02:51.000 They're just, they were out there just demanding action.

00:02:54.000 And I'm like, you know, I remain steadfast in my belief that it's not the solution to these kinds of shootings is not like a law or regulation.

00:03:05.000 It's that we need to be neighborly.

00:03:06.000 It's that, you know, if somebody were looking into this kid's situation, whether it be a family member, a community member, a friend in high school, a religious leader, This wouldn't have happened.

00:03:16.000 And there were so many signs where there's no excuse why nobody got involved and either institutionalized him or was looking after him.

00:03:25.000 And so I think that's the only way you prevent many people from slipping through the cracks, like as what happens with our laws.

00:03:32.000 Right.

00:03:33.000 And this guy was a, weren't they saying he was like a white supremacist at first? 0.94

00:03:39.000 Well, yeah, they said he was connected to the Republic of Florida, which turned out to be a troll. 0.90

00:03:46.000 Pretending to be a school shooter to own the lives, I guess. 0.79

00:03:50.000 But actually, it turned out then that he was Jewish. 0.99

00:03:53.000 Another white Hispanic school shooter. 0.97

00:03:56.000 That's right. 0.94

00:03:57.000 Yeah, actually, yeah, Paul Nealon put out a gab.

00:04:03.000 It's crazy.

00:04:04.000 He's not on Twitter anymore.

00:04:05.000 He put out a gab. 0.99

00:04:06.000 I guess all the school shooters so far have been Jewish. 0.90

00:04:09.000 Is that like, or like the last six big ones or something?

00:04:14.000 I didn't, I didn't like confirm that. 0.64

00:04:16.000 I know I saw the meme where it said they were all Jewish, but I don't know if that's totally true. 0.87

00:04:21.000 I didn't check, so I like, I have no idea.

00:04:24.000 I don't think Dylan Roof was Jewish.

00:04:27.000 I don't, I have no idea.

00:04:28.000 TBH.

00:04:29.000 Normal guy. 0.92

00:04:31.000 I mean, we're talking about like mental illness.

00:04:35.000 We're talking about people that have anger issues that don't care about their lives.

00:04:40.000 I mean, there's, I don't know, there's not a lot you can do about that except, I mean, taking guns away isn't going to do anything.

00:04:48.000 You look at the amount of stabbings in the UK and all of that, violent crimes and robberies, taking the guns away doesn't seem to solve anything there.

00:04:59.000 Well, yeah, and if you look in the case of Washington, D.C., where they banned handguns for a time, you actually saw both gun related crime and non gun related crime increase when the ban was in place and then decrease when the ban went out of place.

00:05:13.000 And I came with all the stats to the protest.

00:05:17.000 I could all day long with the John Lott numbers and everything.

00:05:20.000 There was probably, yeah, I saw some bits and pieces of your periscope there.

00:05:24.000 It looked like a lot of screeching going on.

00:05:27.000 No, people are putting fake quotes in the chat here.

00:05:31.000 I did not say that.

00:05:32.000 They said, Dylan Roof is a normal guy.

00:05:35.000 Baked Alaska 2018.

00:05:38.000 I don't, that's not, no, I don't mean he was a normal guy.

00:05:42.000 I, okay, okay, let's start, let's start this over.

00:05:45.000 Start this over.

00:05:46.000 Okay.

00:05:47.000 RC, you are 20 minutes, 22 minutes late, bro.

00:05:51.000 Where are you?

00:05:52.000 Okay.

00:05:53.000 Wait, okay.

00:05:54.000 Okay.

00:05:54.000 So I, I had, I heard a rumor.

00:05:57.000 Nick, the knife, Fuentes, I heard you might have brought the knife.

00:06:01.000 Press one if you want to see the knife.

00:06:02.000 I actually brought my knife.

00:06:04.000 So, Maybe we should just both have our knives out at RC when he gets in the room.

00:06:13.000 That's good.

00:06:14.000 I actually, one of my viewers sent me a new knife.

00:06:18.000 Really?

00:06:19.000 Joe the Boomer sent me a big hunting knife, which it's upstairs.

00:06:24.000 I don't have it right now, but I do still have my pen knife ready to go just in case.

00:06:30.000 Ready to go.

00:06:32.000 I got a pretty nice knife here.

00:06:33.000 This is a Kershaw.

00:06:35.000 Get your knives up.

00:06:36.000 Everyone.

00:06:37.000 Everyone, get your knives out here on the screen.

00:06:40.000 Get them out.

00:06:41.000 Get them out.

00:06:42.000 I want to see your knives.

00:06:44.000 We want to see your knives.

00:06:46.000 All right.

00:06:46.000 Don't hurt anybody, but we want to see him out.

00:06:48.000 All right.

00:06:49.000 We want to see him.

00:06:50.000 Raise your knife for Nick the knife.

00:06:53.000 We're not breaking any YouTube rules here.

00:06:56.000 I hope not.

00:06:58.000 Don't be violent.

00:06:59.000 Don't be violent.

00:06:59.000 Yeah.

00:07:00.000 Hey, yeah.

00:07:01.000 Knife emoji.

00:07:02.000 Knife emoji. 1.00

00:07:03.000 I like that.

00:07:03.000 I love that.

00:07:05.000 All right.

00:07:05.000 We can't wait much longer here, RC.

00:07:08.000 You're making us do crazy things.

00:07:09.000 You're getting impatient.

00:07:12.000 We are getting impatient, RC.

00:07:14.000 Our patience has its limits, RC.

00:07:17.000 All right, let's see.

00:07:18.000 We got a couple super chats.

00:07:20.000 I guess I'll read these while we're waiting.

00:07:24.000 Moon Man with the $2.

00:07:26.000 Thank you, sir.

00:07:27.000 No message.

00:07:28.000 Aris, the God of Mars with the $2.

00:07:30.000 No message.

00:07:31.000 Thank you, bro.

00:07:32.000 And Black Magic with the $17.76.

00:07:36.000 Every school shooter has come from a broken home.

00:07:39.000 Ban broken homes now.

00:07:42.000 That's a pretty hot take, actually.

00:07:45.000 Wow, the entire chat is filled with knife emojis. 0.74

00:07:48.000 This is amazing. 1.00

00:07:49.000 I think you might have started a movement there.

00:07:49.000 Excellent.

00:07:51.000 A movement for the people. 0.73

00:07:53.000 The knife movement. 0.67

00:07:56.000 The knife party.

00:07:58.000 Let me try calling RC.

00:08:00.000 This is RC.

00:08:02.000 I think he needs to do this debate from his phone or something.

00:08:08.000 We don't have all day here.

00:08:24.000 I won't dox his phone number.

00:08:26.000 I promise.

00:08:29.000 No, he's not chimping out or anything.

00:08:30.000 He's coming.

00:08:31.000 He's coming.

00:08:32.000 Night of the Long Knives.

00:08:33.000 Night of the Long Knives.

00:08:37.000 Okay, okay.

00:08:39.000 He literally just video chatted us, so we know he's not dodging.

00:08:45.000 Here, we got another super chat coming in.

00:08:47.000 Hold on tight, guys.

00:08:48.000 Thank you guys for being patient.

00:08:50.000 We got another super chat here from Gunrunner $2.

00:08:54.000 Thank you, dude.

00:08:55.000 He said, Nick broke Halsey.

00:08:58.000 Yes, so why don't you give people, because this is the first time you've been on my channel for Blood Sports, so why don't you just give people a quick rundown of your interaction with Halsey?

00:09:12.000 Well, it looks like, do we have RC here right now?

00:09:15.000 Oh, hello.

00:09:16.000 Perfect.

00:09:17.000 Just in time.

00:09:20.000 Can you hear me?

00:09:22.000 Yes, yes, we can hear you.

00:09:25.000 And you can see me now.

00:09:26.000 Fantastic.

00:09:27.000 Amazing.

00:09:29.000 All right, you are we live?

00:09:31.000 RC, we are live.

00:09:33.000 Are we live? 0.74

00:09:35.000 Okay, my next thing is you knew you were debating Black Hannity.

00:09:38.000 You should have known that I was going to be, of course, a little late.

00:09:40.000 Like I said, not my fault, my team's fault.

00:09:43.000 You seen me in the ride with my driver on the way over.

00:09:48.000 Wrong address inputted by a subordinate.

00:09:51.000 So my team's worse than Milo's team.

00:09:55.000 End of story.

00:09:56.000 You are on Wakanda time, RC. 0.76

00:09:58.000 This is unacceptable.

00:10:00.000 I got my knife out, dude.

00:10:03.000 You better not do this again.

00:10:03.000 All right.

00:10:06.000 Is that a legal blade?

00:10:09.000 This is a legal blade.

00:10:12.000 Okay.

00:10:13.000 I think it's got to be smaller than your hand.

00:10:16.000 Well, definitely, Fuente.

00:10:17.000 Sorry for making you late, bud.

00:10:18.000 I know how much of a time naughty you are.

00:10:22.000 Sorry for being late, bud.

00:10:23.000 But I'm definitely down to have a very spirited debate with you.

00:10:27.000 All right.

00:10:28.000 Well, let's do it.

00:10:29.000 I'm excited.

00:10:29.000 All right.

00:10:30.000 Hey, real quick Asian Andy is telling you, Nick, that one of my mods.

00:10:35.000 He's saying that your mic output is on your earbuds, not your Yeti.

00:10:41.000 I don't have my Yeti's all the way over there.

00:10:43.000 Okay, maybe if you could just turn up your mic a little bit.

00:10:46.000 I think that's what they're asking.

00:10:49.000 Let me hook you up here.

00:10:51.000 Let me turn up my input.

00:10:53.000 Is that good?

00:10:53.000 Is that better?

00:10:55.000 Yeah, that's better.

00:10:55.000 I'll turn you up too on the app here.

00:10:58.000 I'll turn both of you guys up.

00:11:00.000 All right, cool.

00:11:02.000 All right.

00:11:03.000 We are ready.

00:11:06.000 RC is here.

00:11:08.000 I actually want RC, and thank you everyone for waiting.

00:11:11.000 I want RC to start us out.

00:11:13.000 We're talking about civic nationalism versus ethnic nationalism.

00:11:16.000 So, RC, why don't you start us off in your definition?

00:11:20.000 What is civic nationalism and why is this the winning strategy?

00:11:24.000 Why is this better than something like ethnic nationalism?

00:11:29.000 Well, you know, I'm a former debater, just like Will Chamberlain, so I'm definitely going to have some technical aspects to my form of argumentation here, but I'm going to try to make this as coherent as possible.

00:11:40.000 And I want to make sure that I kind of give a clear sort of criteria in order to evaluate these arguments.

00:11:45.000 I would say, in general, my premise is in order to preserve a traditional American society, civic nationalism functions better than ethnic nationalism as a means to preserve its greatness.

00:11:57.000 In order to functionally prove my burdens in this debate, I'm going to make three kind of concise, significant contentions.

00:12:03.000 My first being that violence, although it's conceptualized as a degree of conflict rather than a form of conflict, my argument is that ethnic nationalism, as opposed to civic nationalism, Results in violence that achieves no solutions other than genocide.

00:12:18.000 My second main argument or contention is to subscribe to ethnic nationalist modes of thinking is to functionally abandon all hope that citizens can kind of unite under concepts of nationhood or a kind of unified political creed, quote unquote, civic nationalism.

00:12:35.000 And furthermore, ethnic nationalism is just, it's kind of a black pill, right? 0.55

00:12:39.000 It's unconstitutional and it's un-American. 0.58

00:12:41.000 This contention will functionally prove that ethnic nationalism is so far right, it's essentially leftism. 0.89

00:12:48.000 I'll say, given where we are historically, ethnic nationalism is theoretically impossible in America and in most geographical areas.

00:12:55.000 Ethnic nationalism, the definition of a common kind of heritage, common faith, and ethnic ancestry, is already pretty much impossible.

00:13:03.000 Social acceleration has made ethnic nationalism an impossibility.

00:13:07.000 So, if we kind of agree on those premises, I'll kind of go right into my contentions. 0.54

00:13:10.000 But do we kind of understand the kind of premises that I'm going off of here?

00:13:15.000 I understand them.

00:13:16.000 I don't agree with them, though.

00:13:17.000 Of course.

00:13:18.000 Of course.

00:13:18.000 Absolutely.

00:13:19.000 So, contention one violence. 0.89

00:13:22.000 I would say historically, ethnic nationalism has proven that it's kind of an ideology that only results in endless wars.

00:13:28.000 Ethnic nationalism caused both the First and Second World War, although I'm certain Nick has some counters to that. 0.60

00:13:33.000 I would say World War I started mostly as an assassination of the Archduke, Franz Ferdinand, and that was committed by the Black Hand, and the Black Hand sought to unify ethnic Serbian territories. 0.90

00:13:45.000 So, ethnic nationalism caused World War I. 0.70

00:13:47.000 It obviously caused World War II under Nazi expansionism, which was explicitly an ethnic nationalist movement on the basis that Aryans were ethnically superior. 0.76

00:13:56.000 So, we know historically that ethnic nationalism literally starts wars. 0.64

00:14:00.000 Civic nationalism, on the other hand, it ends wars.

00:14:02.000 The United States pretty much ended World War II, and the United States kind of was the epitome of what the kind of greatness that civic nationalism, the kind of civic nationalism we fought for, kind of what it can do.

00:14:14.000 So, civic nationalism for the United States was an ideology.

00:14:18.000 It was about kind of the sovereignty of nation states as opposed to ethnic superiority.

00:14:23.000 It kind of ended World War II.

00:14:25.000 In fact, ethnic nationalism was also, sorry, civic nationalism.

00:14:29.000 Was so heightened after World War I that previously segregated factories started actually hiring black workers because World War II literally, you know, was a movement that desegregated a lot of factories and engineering entities because they didn't want to hire European workers, even though predominantly American kind of power structures were white, they didn't want to hire white Europeans.

00:14:50.000 They preferred after World War II because of civic nationalism to hire black Americans.

00:14:55.000 So, about a million black Americans migrated from the south north to take these jobs.

00:14:59.000 So, civic nationalism definitely did a lot of good there.

00:15:02.000 Additionally, I'd also say. 0.65

00:15:04.000 On an impact level, this literally proves that ethnic nationalism, because of what happened in World War II and World War I, the amount of deaths, it's literally prone to genocide. 0.68

00:15:13.000 So I think if I win that ethnic nationalism is equitable to mostly genocide, I'll be controlling all the kind of important offense in the debate. 0.66

00:15:20.000 Contention two ethnic nationalism is un American and essentially leftism. 0.60

00:15:25.000 I would say, firstly, it's kind of divorced of any kind of realistic plan.

00:15:29.000 I think I've talked to a couple of ethnic nationalists and they want to move all white people to Utah.

00:15:34.000 I have a couple of ideas like that, but it's really an unrealistic plan.

00:15:37.000 It's kind of, You know, you're divorcing any concept of uniting all Americans under a singular political creed.

00:15:44.000 Additionally, let's say ethnic nationalism is adopted by mainstream conservatives. 0.50

00:15:50.000 You'd be essentially ostracizing Latino and black conservatives and putting yourself in a situation where only leftism wins.

00:15:56.000 So it's literally not.

00:15:58.000 Hey, real quick, we.

00:16:00.000 Go ahead.

00:16:01.000 You just spouted off like 50 talking points, which is great, which is great.

00:16:05.000 But let's, I think we should sort of deconstruct or talk about these one at a time.

00:16:11.000 So, What was your first point?

00:16:13.000 Can you state that again?

00:16:14.000 My first main contention is that violence is a degree of conflict.

00:16:20.000 And ethnic nationalism, as opposed to civic nationalism, results in genocide and essentially endless war. 0.94

00:16:26.000 And I can prove such for historical analysis.

00:16:29.000 And also, we can evaluate some general themes of ethnic nationalism.

00:16:33.000 So that's my first major premise here.

00:16:35.000 Okay.

00:16:36.000 Yeah, let's have Nick respond to that first point.

00:16:39.000 Excellent.

00:16:41.000 RC, my guy, you fell right into the trap.

00:16:45.000 Of course I did. 0.68

00:16:46.000 The World War I and World War II were the result of ethnic nationalism.

00:16:50.000 It was actually quite the opposite.

00:16:52.000 What you saw is the claim that ethnic nationalism causes conflict and civic nationalism subdues conflict, or maybe that there's less conflict in civic nationalism.

00:17:03.000 If you look in the case of World War I, let's start with World War I. In World War I, you had three civic nationalist empires the Russian Empire, the Austro Hungarian Empire, and the Ottoman Empire, all of which were multi ethnic.

00:17:17.000 Multicultural empires, of course.

00:17:20.000 You saw the origins of World War I and the Balkan Wars of the 1910s.

00:17:26.000 These were ethnic conflicts.

00:17:27.000 You saw the initiation of World War I when Serbia tried to wrest Bosnia from Austria Hungary.

00:17:33.000 So I would actually contend that World War I was caused by a rejection of ethnic nationalism in the sense that after World War I, we had an ethnic resorting of all these countries, where by the end of World War I, the Russian Empire gave way to all kinds of new countries.

00:17:49.000 The Austro Hungarian Empire gave way to all kinds of new countries.

00:17:52.000 The Ottoman Empire gave way to all kinds of new countries, all defined by ethnicity.

00:17:56.000 You know that World War I, one of the principles envisioned by Wilson, was the right of all ethnic peoples to self determination.

00:18:04.000 So the result of World War I, the result of the conflict, was a reshuffling along ethnic lines as opposed to rebuilding civic states.

00:18:12.000 World War II was the result of the fact that you had German people spread out across Central Europe in Austria, in the Sudetenland, in Czechoslovakia.

00:18:22.000 And in Poland, in that little, in Danzig, in that corridor. 0.78

00:18:26.000 And what you saw, the cause of World War II was that Hitler was expanding. 0.74

00:18:30.000 Well, I mean, we could spend a whole thing about the cause of World War II. 0.68

00:18:33.000 But what caused it in effect was the fact that Germany invaded Poland to get back Danzig, and that violated a war guarantee that Poland had made with Great Britain.

00:18:43.000 And so, again, you have, after World War II, a new sorting of the European continent along ethnic lines.

00:18:49.000 So that after World War I, after World War II, and even if you go back to 1991 or the 90s, when Yugoslavia fell apart into all kinds of different countries, we have, after a century of conflict, essentially sorted ourselves into ethnic countries, into ethnically nationalist countries.

00:19:06.000 And even now, you see the current cleavages in European countries, whether it be Scotland in the United Kingdom and the devolution to Wales and to Northern Ireland and the other provinces, whether it's the Basques in Spain, whether it's all kinds of other secessionist movements happening, the Flemish and the Walloons in Belgium.

00:19:23.000 You see that actually the rejection of ethnic nationalism.

00:19:26.000 Causes conflict because people have to fight to determine which group is going to control the country, and the record of history is clear on that.

00:19:34.000 So, I mean, I don't even know where to begin.

00:19:36.000 I know this is Nick, what you do.

00:19:37.000 You have a lot of grandeur, but not a lot of substance there.

00:19:41.000 So, my argument is so my question is simply put before I respond to everything you said, is your argument that the assassination of Franz Ferdinand not the linchpin of what started World War I?

00:19:51.000 Because the reason he was assassinated is because they had a problem with him ruling over an ethnic Slavic area as he was a German.

00:19:58.000 Right?

00:19:58.000 So people have these ethnic nationalist ideologies.

00:20:00.000 They started bad shit. 1.00

00:20:02.000 Bad shit started more bad shit. 1.00

00:20:03.000 So, I don't know if this is a chicken and the egg question between the two of us, but how can you say that World War I wasn't started by ethnic nationalism when literally Franz Ferdinand was assassinated because of his ethnic identity? 1.00

00:20:16.000 Because, again, the assassination happened because you had a multi ethnic empire.

00:20:20.000 You had an empire that was living in rejection of ethnic nationalism.

00:20:24.000 If the Austro Hungarian Empire was just different ethnic nation states, states governed by the given ethnicity within the geography, With a shared language, shared culture, and shared blood, you wouldn't have had that conflict.

00:20:37.000 That's the point we see ethnic nationalism like gravity. 0.92

00:20:41.000 Whether you like it or not, these forces will tear a country apart. 0.99

00:20:45.000 And they tore a continent apart. 0.96

00:20:47.000 They tore the whole Balkans apart.

00:20:49.000 And again, by the end of these wars, after they'd sorted themselves out, how did they achieve a lasting peace after World War I and World War II? 0.99

00:20:57.000 They reassembled along ethnic lines.

00:20:59.000 And you saw in the case of Germany after World War II, the Germans were put into Germany.

00:21:03.000 And that's how we've avoided conflict.

00:21:05.000 The ethnic groups have sorted themselves, and now you don't have any of these civic nationalists.

00:21:11.000 Well, I think it's a fair question to ask how we're functionally viewing the criteria for any kind of debate on civic nationalism versus ethnic nationalism, right?

00:21:21.000 You can say, oh, because the ethnic nationalists didn't get their ways, violence happened. 0.74

00:21:26.000 Or you can say that that kind of just proves that ethnic nationalism, as an ideology, is inherently violent and kind of barbaric. 0.94

00:21:34.000 Because I would just assume that would be. 1.00

00:21:36.000 The answer to that, right?

00:21:38.000 How could you establish that an ideology is not violent or barbaric?

00:21:43.000 Only people are violent or barbaric.

00:21:44.000 The question becomes.

00:21:45.000 Exactly.

00:21:47.000 And that's the only way to evaluate an ideology is to evaluate it realistically and how it's enforced realistically. 0.57

00:21:55.000 So, in a world where you can't prove how ethnic nationalists can exist without violence and genocide, then you've pretty much already lost the debate if you say, unless ethnic nationalists don't get their way, Literally, people are just going to have to die, and endless war is going to have to happen. 0.53

00:22:09.000 No, no, no.

00:22:10.000 The point is that if we abide by ethnic nationalism, you can avoid civil war.

00:22:15.000 If countries are ordered based on ethnicity, based on blood and race, you can drastically mitigate the amount of conflict.

00:22:22.000 And the reason that we advocate for, or the reason that we understand the power of ethnic nationalism in this country, is because we see in the past 25 years, the vast majority of wars have not been interstate conflicts.

00:22:34.000 They've not been between countries, they've been within countries.

00:22:37.000 And that's because you look in Africa, you look in the Middle East, You look even in China, even in Russia, conflicts within countries occur because you have these minorities, ethnic, racial, or religious, that see themselves as not represented, or there's friction with the majority population or other populations alongside them.

00:22:56.000 And we understand the power of that potential.

00:22:58.000 Can I get a warrant for that?

00:23:00.000 A warrant for that.

00:23:02.000 A warrant for, you know, historically all these conflicts just happened because of, you know, predisposed ethnic conflicts.

00:23:08.000 Because I would say it's been written by people like Hillman that said that inevitably people are going to draw lines of conflict based on difference.

00:23:15.000 Whether it be ethnicity, whether it be nationality, whether it be religion, whether it be an infinite number of things.

00:23:22.000 So, when you say the term if, you say if countries are aligned ethnically, X, Y, Z, and things can be peaceful.

00:23:29.000 This is the crux of the debate.

00:23:30.000 Social acceleration has already made it to where geopolitical lines have been drawn.

00:23:34.000 You can't just rewrite history.

00:23:36.000 So, my question to you is how are you going to redraw geopolitical lines without literally engaging in a World War III, which would cause more genocide?

00:23:44.000 That's just it.

00:23:45.000 I mean, isn't that what we're seeing?

00:23:46.000 What we're seeing is because.

00:23:49.000 Countries are living in rejection of ethnic nationalism.

00:23:52.000 And you say the difference is what causes conflict.

00:23:55.000 Don't you think we could diminish conflict by diminishing difference in terms of strong cleavages and strong fault lines in a country by reorganizing along ethnic lines?

00:24:04.000 You can look, and the record of history, again, is crystal clear.

00:24:07.000 Look at what happened just 20 years ago in Kosovo.

00:24:10.000 Look at what happened in Sri Lanka between the Tamil Tigers and the others.

00:24:14.000 Look at what happened in East Timor.

00:24:16.000 We see secessionist movements, we see sectarian conflicts.

00:24:20.000 Look what's happening in Syria. 1.00

00:24:21.000 The most violent countries in the world are the most ethnically diverse countries in the world. 1.00

00:24:25.000 And that's no coincidence. 1.00

00:24:27.000 It's because when you have these vastly different peoples living in the same borders, governed by the same government, using the same resources, they tend to conflict with one another because there is that friction between different peoples.

00:24:37.000 And so, what is the solution?

00:24:38.000 How do we mitigate conflict? 0.94

00:24:41.000 We reorganize along ethnic lines. 0.62

00:24:43.000 And, you know, look, we can hope, we can hope that one day we could all live together in harmony and it wouldn't matter. 0.69

00:24:51.000 But again, that is a hope.

00:24:52.000 That is, again, against the reality, against the record of history, which is pretty clear.

00:24:57.000 And if I may, I just don't understand how you see the things that you're saying and don't realize that you are literally the person advocating for the most unrealistic implementation of policy.

00:25:08.000 I mean, you have to realize, sure, it's great to say all these other conflicts internationally, such as Syria, that are engaging in violence over ethnic whatever.

00:25:16.000 But in America, which is the crux of the debate, the crux of the culture war that both you and I are fighting the same side of, is functionally ethnic or civic nationalism.

00:25:26.000 What is a better lens in order to evaluate and eradicate some of the problems we see America facing?

00:25:31.000 And it's just literally an impossibility in order for us to revert to ethnic nationalism. 0.67

00:25:36.000 You still haven't responded to my analysis that says that in America, you literally, you know, the conservative movement, if we adopted ethnic nationalism, you would literally ostracize both Latino and black conservatives. 0.98

00:25:47.000 So, my question to you is you'd literally just cede more power to leftists in a world where you adopt ethnic nationalism, which functionally means ethnic nationalists is just really another way of saying leftist bullshit. 0.97

00:25:57.000 It's kind of anarchist bullshit, and it literally has, there's really no way to really adopt it, right? 0.96

00:26:03.000 You guys just kind of run around and Saying maybe we'll get Utah someday, but there's no way to actually implement. 0.98

00:26:07.000 No, this is true.

00:26:08.000 Tell me I'm wrong.

00:26:09.000 You're better than this.

00:26:10.000 This is the horseshoe theory.

00:26:12.000 Tell me I'm wrong.

00:26:13.000 I will tell you you're wrong.

00:26:14.000 I mean, what you're essentially arguing is it doesn't really matter the merits of ethnic nationalism.

00:26:19.000 It doesn't matter if this is a sociological force that is real, that exists, that is undeniable and inevitable.

00:26:26.000 But if you were to talk about that, you would ostracize voters.

00:26:28.000 You would ostracize yourself in the party.

00:26:30.000 So you've basically just now conceded we're not going to argue the merits of the ideas.

00:26:36.000 We're going to argue, well, How would this affect your standing in party politics?

00:26:40.000 I'm not coming on here to say, well, I have this policy prescription for the country.

00:26:44.000 I'm here to say that ethnic nationalism is a powerful force.

00:26:47.000 It's one that we cannot continue to ignore.

00:26:50.000 And that might be an uncomfortable thing.

00:26:53.000 It might make people uncomfortable.

00:26:54.000 It might be an unpopular thing right now. 1.00

00:26:56.000 But I believe, I strongly believe that increasingly we will see ethnic conflict. 0.90

00:27:00.000 We will see racial conflict in the country until we come to grips with what kind of a nation is this? 0.93

00:27:08.000 You know, the proposition nation defined by its ideas and it's the Constitution, the Declaration, or is there a biological component?

00:27:15.000 Is there something that is rooted in lived reality?

00:27:18.000 I mean, that's at the end of the day the difference.

00:27:20.000 And, you know, you say, I love this argument.

00:27:22.000 You made the argument that ethnic nationalism was un American.

00:27:26.000 And I had to laugh. 1.00

00:27:27.000 I love that.

00:27:28.000 We're here on President's Day.

00:27:30.000 And let me read you some quotes from some of our presidents. 0.62

00:27:34.000 Ethnic nationalism is un American.

00:27:35.000 Well, let's ask Thomas Jefferson, who said, Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people, blacks, Are to be free. 0.61

00:27:43.000 Nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. 0.59

00:27:50.000 Abraham Lincoln, I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people. 0.94

00:27:59.000 There is a physical difference between the white and black races, which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together in terms of social and political equality. 0.89

00:28:09.000 Even you could go, and I have dozens of these, but you could go up to Harry Truman, who said, I am strongly of the opinion. 0.99

00:28:14.000 That Negroes ought to be in Africa, yellow men in Asia, and white men in Europe and America. 0.75

00:28:19.000 The first three Immigration Acts in 1795, 1798, 1803, the Immigration Law, only gave citizenship to free white men of upstanding character. 0.78

00:28:28.000 So the idea that it's an un American concept, maybe it's an old concept, but it's certainly not un American.

00:28:37.000 So would you say that these quotes kind of embody what you believe about ethnic nationalism?

00:28:41.000 Like you kind of believe these kind of quotes about.

00:28:44.000 I simply.

00:28:45.000 No, the contention is.

00:28:46.000 You made the contention.

00:28:47.000 Would you say that you agree that whites and blacks cannot live in civil society together?

00:28:52.000 I don't think they could live peacefully together, not if there is not a core culture, not if there is not a core demographic.

00:28:58.000 Okay, Nick, you realize, well, this literally is the internet.

00:29:02.000 We're talking on the internet, but you can't take these kind of abstract ideologies in from the internet into the real world.

00:29:08.000 I think you're already kind of realizing this in multiple different facets as you go on in life.

00:29:13.000 But the other thing is, I think the abstract ideology, I believe mine is rooted in history.

00:29:20.000 I think, Max, because, and this is the discussion that we're having, because you said, of course, and I'm not saying this, you said, of course, well, we're not having a debate on whether or not I think we can advocate this into party politics and use it, blah, blah, blah.

00:29:30.000 Okay, of course, I understand.

00:29:31.000 I'm not saying it has to be implemented that realistically.

00:29:35.000 However, the only way to discuss these kind of concepts, ethnic nationalism versus civic nationalism, is to imagine what they would be like in a world where they were implemented as a core ideology in the real world, right?

00:29:47.000 It's kind of a, we're kind of literally like, we're theory testing here.

00:29:50.000 So we're testing whether or not civic or ethnic nationalism Would be theoretically legitimate in our everyday life?

00:29:57.000 And that's a very fair question.

00:29:59.000 It's also a fair question to look at things through a historical lens.

00:30:03.000 And if a world where you and I are both admitting that ethnic nationalism and desires of ethnic nationalism has literally caused genocide and world wars, because we're pretty much admitting that, you're just saying essentially if you would have given the ethnic nationalists their way, we wouldn't have this war essentially. 0.55

00:30:22.000 So I don't, yeah. 0.82

00:30:24.000 So, yeah, your solution is the black hand solution. 0.83

00:30:27.000 Like, give ethnic nationalists our way or else. 0.57

00:30:30.000 My argument is that civic nationalism, uniting under a singular political creed, will ameliorate many instances of conflict. 0.51

00:30:38.000 And in fact, every instance of previous conflict that we've identified was a literal instance of civic nationalism not being able to pretty much take its force because ethnic nationalism, ethnic nationalists are pretty much pouting.

00:30:52.000 So, when you look at contemporary and historical underviews, ethnic nationalists. 0.60

00:30:57.000 They will never get their way.

00:30:58.000 And also, you got to look at contemporarily who is 100% a single ethnicity? 0.96

00:31:03.000 No one is.

00:31:04.000 And you're not even.

00:31:05.000 You're not as famous as Fuentes.

00:31:06.000 And I'm pretty sure you identify as ethnically white, although you might have some other races within there.

00:31:10.000 So it's literally so abstract as a concept, it's literally only something you can advocate for on the internet.

00:31:17.000 In real world applications, it just doesn't work.

00:31:20.000 Your argument here is just collapsing all around you.

00:31:24.000 Isn't this hard for you?

00:31:25.000 The way that you have to panic and say, oh, well, it only exists on the internet, there's no practical application.

00:31:31.000 Here's what I'm saying about ethnic nationalism.

00:31:34.000 We will either. 0.64

00:31:35.000 Explain its implementation practically.

00:31:38.000 I will.

00:31:39.000 We will either be prescient enough, we will either be prescient enough that we understand the forces of ethnic nationalism and we civilly and peacefully negotiate a way out of this civic nationalist system.

00:31:51.000 And all the countries of the world that are currently engaged in the oppression of other peoples, where there's an ethnic group that isn't represented or that isn't enfranchised in that country, we can come to negotiation where people can get their own countries where they can reside and there's no ethnic conflict.

00:32:07.000 That's number one.

00:32:08.000 That's solution number one.

00:32:09.000 Number two is that this sorting will happen regardless of whether we're comfortable with it, whether we want it to happen.

00:32:15.000 It will happen regardless.

00:32:16.000 And you're seeing that play out all around the world. 0.95

00:32:18.000 You're seeing that with the Uyghurs, the Tibetans, the Mongolians in China. 0.84

00:32:22.000 You're seeing it with the Tatars and the Chechens.

00:32:24.000 The Uyghurs isn't only an ethnic conflict, by the way.

00:32:26.000 The Uyghurs is also a religious conflict.

00:32:29.000 And that only strengthens the argument that the stronger a nation, or rather the more homogeneous a nation, the stronger it is. 0.82

00:32:37.000 The less conflict you'll see.

00:32:38.000 Absolutely.

00:32:40.000 That proves your argument. 0.98

00:32:42.000 False because the Uyghur conflict exists devoid of ethnic identities, which means it's literally a religious conflict, which means religious conflict is also going to agree. 0.58

00:32:51.000 The only thing that ameliorates all of these problems is to unify under a singular nationhood or political creed where you divorce your necessary radical ties to any religion or so on and so forth. 0.61

00:33:02.000 You have to remember, you know, there are inevitably going to be people that, and this is back to my Hillman analysis, that says that conflict is.

00:33:08.000 I want to get to this real quick. 0.98

00:33:10.000 The audience, everyone's saying Uyghur.

00:33:14.000 Can one of you give a quick rundown for what the Uyghurs are?

00:33:18.000 Because I don't think the audience knows.

00:33:19.000 So it's in southwest China.

00:33:22.000 It's a small, it's in, what is it?

00:33:25.000 I forget the province, but there is a small collection of Chinese Muslims in the southwest of China.

00:33:32.000 And they're constantly experiencing issues with the CRP and so on and so forth.

00:33:36.000 And, you know, I think this also brings up another point.

00:33:38.000 Nick, you're pretty nerdy. 1.00

00:33:41.000 We just literally circle jerked about the Uyghurs for about two seconds, two minutes. 1.00

00:33:45.000 How do you prove? 0.99

00:33:46.000 How do you prove that among ethnic ties, people just can't live together despite their racial differences? 0.89

00:33:53.000 Well, here's why.

00:33:54.000 I mean, number one, there has never been a country in the history of the world that's endured without a single polity, without a single dominant polity.

00:34:02.000 I mean, the United States is a perfect example. 0.95

00:34:04.000 We were 80% white at the founding, 90% white as recently as 1960. 0.72

00:34:09.000 And since that trend has reversed and becoming less white, we've seen more and more ethnic and racial conflict, more and more tension.

00:34:18.000 And this identity crisis we see in the country today.

00:34:20.000 Can you point?

00:34:21.000 Yeah, I would absolutely disagree with that.

00:34:23.000 I can prove to you that.

00:34:24.000 Can you point to a single country in the world today which is civil nationalist and is thriving and doing well?

00:34:34.000 Potentially, well, that's a bit of a straw man.

00:34:36.000 I don't think it's a straw man.

00:34:38.000 It doesn't exist.

00:34:38.000 Wait, wait, wait.

00:34:40.000 No, because you just proved yourself wrong.

00:34:41.000 You just said that the United States used to be 80% white, and as we've become more diverse, we've led to more conflict.

00:34:48.000 I would say that the opposite is true. 0.50

00:34:50.000 Hundred, you know, literally a hundred and what?

00:34:53.000 40, 50 years ago, we had the biggest war ever in the United States. 0.97

00:34:57.000 And there were people who were white killing people who were white. 0.99

00:35:00.000 There were people who were black killing people who were black. 0.99

00:35:02.000 It was North versus South. 0.99

00:35:04.000 It was a debate about a political creed and a political ideology.

00:35:07.000 And that happened, right?

00:35:09.000 So we haven't had a war since then in the United States.

00:35:12.000 Can you answer the question, though?

00:35:14.000 Is there a single country in the world today?

00:35:16.000 Yeah.

00:35:18.000 Is there a single country in the world today that's an ethnic nationalist country?

00:35:21.000 I mean, that's civic nationalist.

00:35:24.000 And is doing well, is peaceful, is well.

00:35:25.000 I argue the United States is a civic nationalist country because we use the Constitution as our guiding document, which is, you know, not, there's no specific value given to anyone else except those born here and those not born here.

00:35:38.000 That is the epitome of civic nationalism.

00:35:40.000 And this is why I say ethnic nationalism is literally leftist, anarchist bullshit because the only way for ethnic nationalism is to suffice is through what you call a civil, peaceful agreement. 0.95

00:35:52.000 So we'd have to literally eradicate the Constitution. 0.95

00:35:55.000 Governmentality as we know it because the Constitution literally gives rights that are unalienable as long as you're an American citizen. 0.51

00:36:03.000 It's not based on if you're an ethnic.

00:36:04.000 Nobody's talking about coercing.

00:36:07.000 Nobody's talking about coercing.

00:36:08.000 No, this is what you said. 0.60

00:36:09.000 The only way for ethnic nationalism to be installed is for civic or peaceful negotiation of a way out. 0.71

00:36:16.000 You're talking about getting rid of the Constitution, correct?

00:36:19.000 That's not what I'm incorrect.

00:36:20.000 Incorrect.

00:36:21.000 You can still have peaceful negotiation.

00:36:24.000 Tell me how that works.

00:36:25.000 Please, Nick, please, tell me how that works.

00:36:27.000 Now, Well, here's how it would work. 0.99

00:36:29.000 You would end mass immigration. 0.92

00:36:30.000 You would end, I mean, the reason that we are seeing America becoming a multiracial country is because, unlike previous waves of immigration, the present wave of immigration has been going nonstop for 50 years, and there's no end in sight. 0.93

00:36:44.000 And all the immigration, most of it, is coming from a very particular region, and in many cases, from a very particular country. 0.94

00:36:50.000 And what you have being created right now is what Samuel Huntington calls a cleft country, which is what happens when you have two distinct peoples culturally. 0.69

00:36:59.000 Ethnically, religiously distinct people in the same country. 0.98

00:37:03.000 And the way that we stop it, number one, is we end mass immigration. 1.00

00:37:07.000 We deport all the illegal immigrants. 0.99

00:37:08.000 And then there has to be a decision made in the country. 1.00

00:37:11.000 I think culturally, we have to make a decision.

00:37:13.000 Is this going to be a country that a normative American is ethnically European, is Christian, subscribes to the Anglo Protestant culture that prevailed in the founding?

00:37:24.000 Or is this going to be a country where anything goes and somebody fresh off the boat is just as American as everybody else?

00:37:30.000 So, see, now we're blurring lines, Nick.

00:37:33.000 Now you're blurring lines.

00:37:36.000 You're arguing civic nat. 1.00

00:37:38.000 I say let's end mass immigration. 0.99

00:37:41.000 Let's end mass immigration. 0.99

00:37:42.000 Let's especially end migration from Mexico. 0.97

00:37:45.000 And also, you're using this term cleft country. 0.97

00:37:47.000 Cleft country is a very specific term that applies to the Orange Revolution, specifically when there were issues with Ukraine and other ethnicities coming in.

00:37:55.000 So, they were a particular different situation.

00:37:58.000 They already had a particular.

00:38:00.000 All right, let me continue.

00:38:02.000 They had a singular ethnicity that was kind of existing, and then there was over flooding from one area.

00:38:07.000 America is unique.

00:38:08.000 We already exist with diverse populations. 1.00

00:38:11.000 End mass migration. 1.00

00:38:12.000 Yes, this is a good idea. 1.00

00:38:13.000 This is a good idea.

00:38:14.000 And this only creates more civic nationalism because it creates a literal more pride in one's country and the kind of kinship that happens when everyone is along the same born citizenship lines. 0.98

00:38:24.000 Let's end mass migration. 0.98

00:38:25.000 I agree. 1.00

00:38:26.000 That'll definitely cause a lot of bad things. 0.95

00:38:28.000 That's not mutually exclusive to ethnic nationalism. 0.82

00:38:31.000 You're just arguing my point here.

00:38:32.000 So, I ask you the same question.

00:38:34.000 And the reason why you started talking about mass migration, and let me remind you to stay on topic, because this is what you did against Will Chamberlain, but he spoke 100 miles a minute.

00:38:43.000 How about 100 miles a minute?

00:38:45.000 Wait, yeah, yeah.

00:38:47.000 Give my audience, I don't think, is familiar with that.

00:38:49.000 So, what happened with you and Chamberlain, real quick?

00:38:51.000 Well, Will Chamberlain tried to argue that the regime that killed our Americans in the USS Liberty incident and who terrorized Americans in the 40s, he tried to argue that Israel deserves $4 billion a year.

00:39:03.000 And he was crushed by me in a debate, I think, back in the fall.

00:39:08.000 But again, if we return to the argument at hand here, we return to the argument at hand.

00:39:12.000 You asked me.

00:39:13.000 Go ahead.

00:39:14.000 Yeah, I asked you how do you implement ethnic nationalism peacefully without getting rid of the Constitution?

00:39:23.000 You said in mass migration, immigration.

00:39:25.000 I just agreed we should in mass immigration, but that's literally not an answer to my question.

00:39:31.000 I said that's step one. 0.65

00:39:32.000 And then I said, and I think you're kind of choosing here to ignore what came after that. 0.70

00:39:37.000 I said, and after that, we have to decide culturally if this country is going to have, as a normative American, as a normative American, is it going to be a European Christian who subscribes to Anglo Protestant culture?

00:39:51.000 And look, the country has always had, the country at the founding. 0.99

00:39:55.000 Had 20% blacks. 0.88

00:39:56.000 The country at the peak of its whiteness had 10% non white. 0.98

00:40:02.000 And I still think that would be ethnic nationalism. 0.99

00:40:05.000 I still think it would be. 0.90

00:40:07.000 And that would be up to those remaining people if they want to remain and they want to be African American or if they want to go out. 0.85

00:40:16.000 What are you doing with the millions of Asians and the millions of Latinos? 0.96

00:40:20.000 What are you doing with them? 1.00

00:40:21.000 We're going to outpopulate them. 0.97

00:40:23.000 If we increase our birth rate, this would be the natural course.

00:40:26.000 But Again, this is to avoid conflict.

00:40:28.000 I think inevitably, and like I said, inevitably, we either have this very difficult conversation of who is an American and who isn't, and we decide it, or there will be ethnic conflict.

00:40:39.000 And you're already seeing that.

00:40:40.000 You're already seeing that in this election.

00:40:41.000 So let me get this right, Nick, because I want to make sure I get your point before you say that I straw man you and use a fallacy.

00:40:46.000 I didn't say you straw man me.

00:40:49.000 I just said you chose to ignore the whole second or third part of the answer.

00:40:53.000 So let me get this straight.

00:40:54.000 You say we end mass immigration. 0.99

00:40:55.000 Step one. 0.99

00:40:56.000 Step one ends all mass immigration, including. 1.00

00:40:59.000 Legal immigration by perfectly normal smart Asian engineers, correct? 1.00

00:41:03.000 And all legal immigration. 1.00

00:41:05.000 And all legal immigration, step one.

00:41:07.000 Step two would be what are you doing? 0.98

00:41:10.000 You're giving the Negroes freedom to decide if they stay or not, or what are you doing? 1.00

00:41:18.000 I love how you project onto it your own insecurities about this. 1.00

00:41:22.000 Like I said, we have to come to the term Negroes all the time.

00:41:25.000 It's just, you know, it's just, come on. 1.00

00:41:28.000 Hey, look, I'm 2% angry, so I can do it too.

00:41:31.000 You got to convince me.

00:41:34.000 Again, you would have to come to a cultural consensus.

00:41:37.000 I mean, and you could do other things like boosting the birth rates, which I talk about on my show all the time.

00:41:42.000 You could do things like making the economy so that middle class birth rates rise and have a social movement that you have birth rates rise. 0.78

00:41:49.000 And that is an answer to the rapidly decreasing supermajority of white people.

00:41:53.000 But by the same token, you have to come to a cultural consensus in the country.

00:41:58.000 What it means to be an American, I'll say it again normative American is European Christian.

00:42:03.000 And subscribes to the Anglo Protestant.

00:42:06.000 So, this is a constitutional amendment.

00:42:08.000 Because remember, my original question was how do you implement this without functionally changing it? 0.99

00:42:13.000 Are you deaf, man? 0.98

00:42:15.000 No, I'm not.

00:42:15.000 Do you know how the Constitution functions?

00:42:17.000 Do you know what it means to have equal rights, inalienable rights across all Americans?

00:42:21.000 So, my question is how can you.

00:42:23.000 Nobody's saying we take away their rights.

00:42:25.000 You're trying to come at me like I'm not a constitutional.

00:42:27.000 No.

00:42:28.000 So, my question is how do you boost birth percentages for simple.

00:42:32.000 How do you define what a normative American is?

00:42:39.000 Here, this is done culturally.

00:42:41.000 This is done culturally.

00:42:42.000 We did this for a long time.

00:42:43.000 We did this for a long time where people would say, you know, where you have this distinguisher of, you know, an African American or an Asian American.

00:42:50.000 What is the implicit suggestion when you say something like that?

00:42:52.000 When you put a prefix in front of American to modify it, it says, well, that person's not, you know, they're an African American, right?

00:43:00.000 And that's the cultural consensus that prevailed in this country for a long time. 0.64

00:43:03.000 Nobody had any issues with this for a long time until we started to decide that, you know, oh, somebody comes over here and doesn't learn the language and is from another country and they, Had no part in fighting in this country's wars or building this country's factories.

00:43:15.000 Well, you know, they're just a part of, they're just as apple pie as everybody else. 0.55

00:43:20.000 And even Brett Stevens and others might say, well, they're more American because they subscribe to the creed more than the people who are here.

00:43:26.000 And, but again, I'm here.

00:43:28.000 Let me say this.

00:43:29.000 Let me say this.

00:43:30.000 The American question is a difficult one because America was founded, like you said, with the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, where it is at the very least ambiguous.

00:43:40.000 Even though in the Federalist Papers, even though in the subsequent Immigration Acts, they make it very clear who it's for, because of the liberal enlightenment nature of the founding documents, There is an ambiguity as to whether or not America was intended to be multiracial or not.

00:43:55.000 But I will say that whether or not I can offer an adequate prescription for how we put in place ethnic nationalism in the country today, it doesn't take away from the fact that you cannot find a single civic nationalist country that is functioning.

00:44:10.000 That everywhere you find civic nationalism.

00:44:13.000 Actually, I proved that the United States is a civic nationalist country.

00:44:18.000 It's not.

00:44:20.000 What's the majority?

00:44:21.000 RC, tell me what would you say?

00:44:23.000 You're moving to the goalpost.

00:44:25.000 I don't know how you see that you're clearly not moving to the goalpost. 0.97

00:44:28.000 You can't say, oh, a country with XYZ percent of whites. 0.90

00:44:33.000 Like, literally, there's probably what, 50 percent of whites? 0.90

00:44:35.000 What, 60?

00:44:36.000 What are we at now?

00:44:37.000 What are we at now with percentages of white?

00:44:41.000 67 percent.

00:44:43.000 67 percent.

00:44:45.000 You're going to call the United States an ethnic white nationalist country.

00:44:50.000 Well, I think it's in transition.

00:44:51.000 It's in transition because, like I said, 50 years ago it was 90% white. 0.90

00:44:55.000 And every single time. 0.63

00:44:56.000 So, when you say the United States during the Civil War was an ethnic nationalist country?

00:45:02.000 Yes.

00:45:03.000 And I never said that there would be no conflicts, but you would diminish the likelihood of ethnic conflicts.

00:45:08.000 And let me continue here. 0.89

00:45:10.000 Every place in this country where you see diversity, whether it's Detroit, whether it's the south side of Chicago, whether it's Los Angeles, whether it's Washington, D.C., Birmingham, everywhere where you see diversity, it's not going so well.

00:45:23.000 Where are the states?

00:45:27.000 There's no diversity in Detroit?

00:45:29.000 There's no diversity in Chicago?

00:45:29.000 No.

00:45:31.000 You literally have a high.

00:45:31.000 No.

00:45:32.000 No. 0.89

00:45:33.000 There's no diversity in a city that is not over Hispanic. 1.00

00:45:40.000 It's predominantly black and poor areas that are causing the violence in Chicago. 1.00

00:45:44.000 Black and poor areas. 1.00

00:45:45.000 It's not also the West Side where you have Hispanics in Tilson, little village. 1.00

00:45:45.000 Really? 1.00

00:45:49.000 It's not also there.

00:45:50.000 I think I know better than you.

00:45:52.000 All right?

00:45:52.000 Potentially.

00:45:53.000 But, anyways, let me get.

00:45:55.000 Let's get back to the point.

00:45:58.000 When Nick Fuentes said that civically, we can introduce, we can just en masse migration, we can do all these major overhauls of the United States system, and somehow that's a civic, peaceful transition.

00:46:08.000 You also said that, let me remind folks that even if I prove that it's kind of impossible to kind of implement these kinds of ideologies without a bunch of violence and kind of death happening, that still doesn't prove my point wrong.

00:46:22.000 So, this is literally the epitome of someone refusing to have a kind of stable debate from a stable locus point. 0.54

00:46:27.000 I've literally advocated and I've proven that you cannot realistically implement civic nationalism and ethnic nationalism without destroying the Constitution.

00:46:36.000 I heard a lot of steps that were advocated by Nick that are inherently unconstitutional that would literally either require an amendment, a significant amendment at that, or it would require just literally striking through lines of the Constitution. 0.93

00:46:49.000 In order to do that, you're literally going to cause all out war, all out violence.

00:46:52.000 It's literally going to be the bigger civil wars in Civil War number one, which is a huge question.

00:46:57.000 You have to ask yourself is it healthy? 0.97

00:47:00.000 To subscribe to an ideology that cannot be implemented realistically without literally allowing for a bunch of anarchist bullshit to happen in your country. 1.00

00:47:08.000 I love this anarchist bullshit, guys. 1.00

00:47:11.000 No, that's a bad question. 0.99

00:47:13.000 Or the question is: are you just people like Nick Fuentes?

00:47:17.000 Are you going to use your voice on America First to advocate for civic nationalism?

00:47:23.000 So you advocate for.

00:47:25.000 You know, I don't understand.

00:47:27.000 RC, what you.

00:47:29.000 Well, I let him finish because I think he's showing everybody how low IQ he is, that he really cannot wrap his head around the premise of ethnic nationalism.

00:47:38.000 Trust me, we wish just as much as you that we could all get along.

00:47:42.000 This was my hope.

00:47:43.000 I was a naive constitutionalist, libertarian.

00:47:47.000 Can't we all just get along, man?

00:47:48.000 I was just like you when I was in high school.

00:47:51.000 And then I turned 18.

00:47:52.000 Then I became an adult.

00:47:53.000 And I looked at history and I looked at the world as it is rather than how we want it to be. 0.74

00:47:57.000 And I saw that regardless of whether or not we can come up with a solution where we can evade this collision course that we're on with all these ethnic and racial and religious cleavages, that ethnic nationalism is a powerful force. 0.77

00:48:11.000 And it's not something that we can debate, well, is it a good thing? 0.81

00:48:14.000 Is it a bad thing?

00:48:15.000 It's there.

00:48:16.000 It's there in the society.

00:48:16.000 Absolutely.

00:48:17.000 It's a fact of society.

00:48:19.000 And you can ignore it, but you can only ignore it so long.

00:48:22.000 And you bring up World War I and World War II, there's a perfect example where.

00:48:25.000 They tried to ignore it.

00:48:27.000 And they said, we can have these multi ethnic empires.

00:48:30.000 We can have Austria Hungary. 0.72

00:48:31.000 We can have, wait, I'll let you go on your wheelchamberly motormouth rant.

00:48:36.000 The Russian Empire, which is diverse.

00:48:36.000 Wait, wait.

00:48:39.000 The Ottoman Empire, which is diverse.

00:48:41.000 And of course, what triggered the greatest world war that the world had ever known at the time was a rejection of ethnic nationalism because Serbia saw that they wanted to contest Bosnia from Austria Hungary because they weren't organized along ethnic lines to cause conflict.

00:48:55.000 And even in the case of Germany, ask yourself this if all the ethnic Germans, We're in Germany.

00:49:01.000 If all the Germans in Danzig, if all the Germans in the Sudetenland, if all the Germans that were captured in the Anschluss, if they were all in Germany, would there have been a conflict? 0.84

00:49:11.000 Yes, most definitely. 0.86

00:49:12.000 Because they would have scapegoated the Jews and expanded west. 0.90

00:49:17.000 The spark that started World War II wouldn't have existed if all the ethnic Germans were in Germany. 0.81

00:49:23.000 The spark for World War I wouldn't have existed if all the Balkan countries and all the multi ethnic groups were ordered along ethnic lines. 0.94

00:49:32.000 And you can look at the past 20 years. 0.98

00:49:33.000 You can look at the modern day.

00:49:34.000 The world is falling apart because you have these constructions. 1.00

00:49:39.000 And you can look even at Africa. 1.00

00:49:41.000 I mean, and this is really the most telling thing. 1.00

00:49:44.000 The most diverse countries in the world, the most diverse countries in the world are hands down the most violent countries in the world. 1.00

00:49:50.000 And that's no coincidence. 1.00

00:49:51.000 When you have ethnic groups living under the same nation, I'll read you off the top five most diverse countries in the world.

00:49:58.000 Wait, because I'm sure you'll love this Papua New Guinea, Tanzania.

00:50:02.000 The Democratic Republic of the Congo, Uganda, Liberia, Cameroon, South Africa, the Congo, Madagascar.

00:50:08.000 Are these peaceful countries?

00:50:10.000 Are these countries?

00:50:12.000 You probably should look up what causality and correlation means.

00:50:17.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:50:18.000 Maybe your audience is dumb enough to buy all this bullshit, but you know there's a difference between causality and correlation. 1.00

00:50:23.000 And anyone with a brain understands that fact. 1.00

00:50:25.000 So let me just go back to a couple of things you said.

00:50:28.000 You are pretty much pigeonholing yourself now to ethnic nationalism exists.

00:50:33.000 You can't deny that it exists.

00:50:35.000 Because it exists, he might as well cater to it, or else people like me who subscribe to ethnic nationalism are inevitably going to commit some sort of huge, treacherous act of violence, like assassinating Franz Ferdinand, the Archduke, because he shouldn't be ruling over me because he's an ethnic German and I'm sloven. 0.64

00:50:51.000 That's literally your ideology.

00:50:53.000 You need that straw man.

00:50:54.000 You need that straw man, otherwise it doesn't matter.

00:50:57.000 No, I don't see how that's literally not your point.

00:50:59.000 Your point is literally it doesn't matter if it could be if a world of fantasy where all the Jews lived in this one area, they would have never committed violence.

00:51:08.000 That's literally not what the debate is about.

00:51:09.000 The debate is about which is a better prevailing, what should be the more prevailing ideology that people should ascribe to through an infinite number of metrics.

00:51:18.000 Remember, violence was just one of my contentions.

00:51:21.000 Through an infinite number of metrics.

00:51:24.000 And you haven't proved that ethnic nationalism, as some sort of condition, can either be implemented realistically or that it literally hasn't caused war outside of you saying, well, it existed. 0.99

00:51:36.000 People didn't listen to the ethnic nationalists and shit went crazy. 0.96

00:51:39.000 No, Nick, the point is. 1.00

00:51:40.000 That's not quite it. 0.96

00:51:41.000 The point is that ethnic nationalism is literally a barbaric and uncivilized ideology as opposed to one that says we should all unify under a singular creed. 0.99

00:51:50.000 Let me continue. 0.98

00:51:51.000 Let me continue.

00:51:52.000 You've also not been able to prove, like, your argument is just that people should be where they are under a single ethnicity.

00:52:00.000 But you have to realize immigration already happened, the land bridge migration already happened.

00:52:04.000 So you're opening up a huge can of worms.

00:52:07.000 You're opening up the land bridge migration.

00:52:08.000 That's literally where people first started migrating.

00:52:11.000 So you're opening yourself up.

00:52:12.000 Let me continue.

00:52:13.000 Let me continue.

00:52:14.000 You're opening up a can of worms. 0.95

00:52:16.000 Where your ideology is literally the same as Black Lives Matter. 0.96

00:52:19.000 Your ideology is the same as La Raza.

00:52:21.000 You're literally leftist.

00:52:23.000 You're functionally advocating so far right on the scale where you're only concerned yourself with identity and you've lost your sort of concept of simple values that are kind of, and I'll just say it, it's ethical.

00:52:36.000 Of course, you can say Black Hannity's getting on his high horse, but I would say the concept of cynic nationalism, I'm not on the same side of La Raza folks who also say, That we shouldn't be like Americans shouldn't be here.

00:52:49.000 They say contemporary Americans shouldn't be here because they say this culture belongs to the indigenous people and so on and so forth. 0.91

00:52:55.000 So once you go down that rabbit hole, which is literally just leftist bullshit, you put yourself in a situation where you're no better than leftists and you're in yourself in a war against Black Lives Matter and La Raza. 0.93

00:53:06.000 So how does that just not prove that your mindset is just bankrupt of any creativity? 0.99

00:53:12.000 Let's have Nick respond to that.

00:53:15.000 Well, here in the first point, here's where I think.

00:53:19.000 The misunderstanding happens.

00:53:20.000 You believe that World War I was not triggered by the fact that you had ethnic conflict.

00:53:26.000 It wasn't by the fact that there was friction between ethnic groups and states.

00:53:29.000 You have it in a very warped way that it was ethnic nationalists that started it, that the ethnic nationalists got together and they caused the war, which is totally against what I'm saying.

00:53:40.000 What I'm saying is that ethnicities, when you have different ethnic groups or different racial groups or different religious groups within a country, when you have cleavages, when you have fault lines, this Naturally, the natural tendency of people, as you yourself said, when there is difference, it causes conflict.

00:53:57.000 And we saw that World War I was caused by conflict because of differences between people within large polities.

00:54:04.000 Austro Hungarian Empire, Russian Empire, Ottoman Empire, there was so much friction within these countries that they became unstable.

00:54:11.000 They became ungovernable because you had so many different peoples that were resistant to the rule of the central government, whether it be Moscow, whether it be Vienna, whether it be Ankara.

00:54:22.000 Or Istanbul, where they broke free.

00:54:24.000 And so we're not saying that ethnic nationalists caused those.

00:54:27.000 Of course, they didn't cause those wars.

00:54:29.000 It was the very nature that you had ethnic conflict.

00:54:32.000 And ethnic nationalists say, well, we understand that ethnic differences, ethnic cleavages cause conflict.

00:54:38.000 And we want to mitigate that conflict by reorganizing people along ethnic lines.

00:54:42.000 And if you look in World War I, if you didn't have these vast empires, if you didn't have these mass polities where there was no definitive identity, it would have mitigated, it would have drastically mitigated the amount of conflict.

00:54:53.000 That's number one.

00:54:54.000 Number two, You say that identitarianism is left wing.

00:54:59.000 You say that we've gone so far right, we're left, which posits somehow that it's not a horseshoe, it's a donut.

00:55:05.000 It's Gavin McInnes' demented donut of ideology where you go so far right that you're actually Black Lives Matter, which is, of course, absurd. 0.57

00:55:13.000 The bedrock of conservatism and liberalism, it's not like low taxes.

00:55:18.000 It's not like a small government like Ben Shapiro likes to have it or the others like to have it.

00:55:24.000 The bedrock of conservatism is order, order secured through tradition, through hierarchy, through authority, through homogeneity, through coherence.

00:55:34.000 And liberalism is chaos through progress, drastic reforms, innovation.

00:55:39.000 And these are the fundamental polls. 0.98

00:55:41.000 And people that are in favor of order, people that are in favor of tradition, people that want to mitigate conflict understand that the best way to do it is the way that it's always been done, which is to have ethnic groups within their own countries.

00:55:52.000 We understand that human beings are predisposed to fight with each other, people that are different with them, especially when they're fighting, especially when they're living in close quarters under the same government and fighting for the same resources.

00:56:03.000 It only exacerbates those tensions.

00:56:05.000 So I'm not saying you would get rid of all conflict.

00:56:07.000 Of course, you wouldn't get rid of all conflict.

00:56:09.000 Religious conflict would exist, interstate conflict would exist.

00:56:12.000 But you would drastically mitigate the total amount of conflict if you were to eliminate one of the key reasons why they all started. 0.86

00:56:19.000 And look at the most homogeneous countries in the world, whether it be Japan, whether it be Scandinavia, whether it be the European nations after World War II and then after the Cold War.

00:56:28.000 These countries are the most stable, are the most peaceful. 0.78

00:56:30.000 That is, until the advent of mass immigration from North Africa and the Middle East. 0.55

00:56:35.000 And then suddenly, when the ethnic nationalist, which they take it for granted, the ethnic nationalist composition and consensus in those countries was challenged by Islamic civilization, by Arab civilization, it started to fall apart. 0.62

00:56:47.000 And that's how I answer that. 0.78

00:56:49.000 Yeah, pretty sure Japan rolled on China and expanded because they thought they were ethnically superior.

00:56:53.000 You should look it up a little bit if you want to know the history of Japan Chinese relations. 0.62

00:56:58.000 So that proved that you can be inherently in two separate geopolitical areas and still have conflict because of one's belief of ethnic superiority.

00:57:09.000 So, yeah, you never can argue about superiority.

00:57:12.000 But you've literally come to. 0.85

00:57:15.000 I would argue, and I said that in my preamble, that ethnic nationalism and ethnic Superiority are hand in hand, and this is why Aryans expanded because they thought themselves were superior. 0.70

00:57:25.000 That's why they scapegoated the Jews. 0.58

00:57:27.000 Is literally a superiority complex that is inherent.

00:57:30.000 Can you can Nick?

00:57:33.000 So, you said that wasn't true?

00:57:34.000 Well, that's that's a whole argument.

00:57:35.000 I mean, to that's the argument we can unpack after I respond to your other argument.

00:57:40.000 I, you, you, you also have a very you have a concocted conception of World War One.

00:57:46.000 You also, you've continued to argue that okay, there is something that preceded the assassination of Franz Ferdinand.

00:57:52.000 Okay, sure.

00:57:53.000 You functionally conceded that that assassination was the lynchpin and that was derived by ethnic nationalist ties.

00:57:58.000 But if you were to wash that over, we can look how before that, the annexation of Bosnia and Herzegovina happened.

00:58:06.000 And literally, the kingdom of Serbia got pissed because of their Slavic ethnic ties.

00:58:13.000 So that's what also caused much of the Balkan conflict. 0.54

00:58:16.000 And that was driven by ethnic motivations, which once again caused another war.

00:58:20.000 So this is what I tell you, Nick, what I'm trying to explain to you.

00:58:23.000 And if I can get it to your 20 year old mind, You might understand it.

00:58:27.000 You can advocate for one thing on the internet and the practical implementation of it is literally impossible.

00:58:36.000 You've lost time and time again in this debate proving that any practical implementation of ethnic nationalist ideology is at all possible.

00:58:43.000 But I'll go ahead and let you respond.

00:58:44.000 Are you saying that ethnic nationalism and ethnic superiority aren't hand in hand?

00:58:50.000 I don't think they can exist without each other. 0.87

00:58:53.000 Well, first of all, I love how you didn't even respond to my response.

00:58:57.000 You just.

00:58:57.000 Like, said, oh, well, you're 20 and you're losing the debate.

00:59:01.000 No, I clarified how World War I was caused by ethnic conflict.

00:59:05.000 And I also re explained to you how practical implementation is the debate.

00:59:09.000 And you can't advocate for something else.

00:59:11.000 I don't think it is.

00:59:11.000 But regardless, you say that.

00:59:16.000 Ask your fans that want an ethno state if they'd be happy with just shooting the shit and debates about ethnic nationalism or if they literally want to see that shit persist. 0.99

00:59:24.000 It sounds like you have a lot of animosity. 0.99

00:59:26.000 I don't think this is about something else, RC.

00:59:29.000 I think what happens is people like yourself.

00:59:32.000 Get very touchy because, of course, if we were to define ethnic nationalism in this country, you would be excluded.

00:59:38.000 And I understand why that makes you biased against the idea.

00:59:41.000 I understand that why that makes you prejudiced because your personal outcome would be adversely affected.

00:59:48.000 Because if you were forced to live among a country of other people, you know, or that were like you, if you were excluded from this country.

00:59:56.000 Hey, it's not just me, Fuentes.

00:59:57.000 You're probably going to Spain or Mexico there, Fuentes.

01:00:02.000 Well, but see, here's the difference.

01:00:03.000 Regardless of where the chips fall for me, I understand the truth.

01:00:08.000 Regardless of where the chips fall, I can look at it from an objective lens and understand what's happening in history and what's happening in the country.

01:00:15.000 But to get to your point, which is, is ethnic nationalism the same as ethnic supremacy?

01:00:21.000 Of course it isn't.

01:00:22.000 Of course it isn't.

01:00:23.000 To say that they go hand in hand is absurd. 0.64

01:00:26.000 To reorder the country along ethnic lines actually prevents those kinds of things.

01:00:30.000 When you have different ethnic groups living amongst each other, living In close quarters, in cities, vying for the same resources, that breeds more ethnic conflict, that breeds more ethnic hate, more ethnic supremacy than anything. 0.52

01:00:43.000 And I think that we know this in an a priori way, in the sense that we know this in interpersonal relations day to day. 0.95

01:00:50.000 Because if I interact with somebody at the workplace, I'm far more inclined to be friendly with that person because at the end of the day, I can go home and I can go home and I cannot talk to that person.

01:01:00.000 But if you're living with somebody who's very different from you, and I knew this because I was in college and I live with people who are very different from me.

01:01:07.000 It only exacerbates the conflict, only exacerbates maybe feelings of superiority or inferiority.

01:01:12.000 And, you know, this stuff about the Nazi regime is just so historically illiterate.

01:01:17.000 I mean, this is like maybe this is the kosher, like, you know, history class from eighth grade version of things.

01:01:23.000 I mean, what a just tragic misreading of history there. 0.69

01:01:27.000 But to the fundamental point, maybe there's a connection in the sense that people become aware of their ethnicity.

01:01:33.000 Maybe it lends itself to that.

01:01:34.000 But I think people being smashed in close quarters with each other, That brings more conflict than anything else.

01:01:39.000 Okay, I would like to disagree with you formally on a couple of points you made there, Nick.

01:01:43.000 By the way, I'm not emotional.

01:01:44.000 This is what happens when I debate.

01:01:45.000 I debated competitively for a long time, and I'm advocating for something I legitimately believe in, and you're advocating for something I believe you legitimately believe in.

01:01:54.000 But you also just said, regardless of where the chips fall for you, this is what you would advocate for.

01:01:59.000 So I don't really know what you're talking about.

01:02:01.000 This essentially means you get kicked out of America, too.

01:02:03.000 You can come to Wakanda and live with me, okay? 0.99

01:02:05.000 I promise you that, Nick.

01:02:07.000 But going further, you said that inevitably you start to hate people that you live with more.

01:02:12.000 I said it exacerbates tensions.

01:02:12.000 That's not what I saw.

01:02:14.000 I said it exacerbates tensions.

01:02:16.000 OK, I would say the opposite.

01:02:17.000 I think that it would ameliorate tensions.

01:02:19.000 And I think you can look at literally the example I brought of World War I. After World War I, we didn't want to let in European immigrants. 1.00

01:02:26.000 We adopted a kind of civic nationalist ideology. 1.00

01:02:29.000 And we said, you know what? 0.92

01:02:30.000 The segregated blacks let them work in the factories and engineering locations that they weren't able to work with before.

01:02:36.000 And what happened?

01:02:37.000 You see a lot more civic engagement between blacks and African Americans, blacks and whites.

01:02:44.000 Flash forward to where we are now. 0.98

01:02:45.000 I think the problem that we have with contemporary immigration is that Latinos who are immigrating here want to bring over their culture. 1.00

01:02:54.000 They want to bring over their concept. 1.00

01:02:56.000 They want to show their flag.

01:02:57.000 That is what's causing a lot of tension in our country.

01:02:59.000 The fact that they aren't playing nice in terms of civic nationalism.

01:03:04.000 They aren't kind of engaging in adopting a singular political creed.

01:03:07.000 And this is just true.

01:03:08.000 So, my solution.

01:03:09.000 Maybe that's the problem.

01:03:12.000 Maybe that's the problem.

01:03:13.000 So, the problem is that everyone isn't subscribing to civic nationalism, right? 0.94

01:03:17.000 The problem is that the Mexicans want to keep their ethnic nationalism, and it's causing some problems in the United States of America because when you're adopting their own ethnic nationalism and they're adopting. 0.86

01:03:27.000 Kind of, I guess, also civic nationalism pro Mexico that creates problems of assimilating into American culture.

01:03:34.000 So the problem here is when you fail to engage civic nationally, you pretty much fail to ameliorate concepts.

01:03:40.000 Let me tell you what you think about that, Nick.

01:03:42.000 Oh, I will. 0.53

01:03:43.000 I mean, number one, the argument, this absurd argument that, well, blacks were working in factories, that means they were more civic nationalists, the proportion of whites living in the country against the general population was increasing.

01:03:43.000 I will.

01:03:58.000 From 1900 to 1960.

01:04:00.000 We were becoming whiter throughout that period that you describe as we're becoming more civically nationalist.

01:04:04.000 We're becoming more racially homogeneous during that time.

01:04:08.000 So, I mean, that's just moved from the start.

01:04:11.000 That's number one.

01:04:12.000 But then, number two, what was the second argument that you made that was about, oh, yeah, yeah, okay, so Mexicans coming in and they identify with Mexico. 0.75

01:04:19.000 Well, that's kind of exactly the problem. 0.97

01:04:21.000 If we could go into these communities and we could go into Minnesota, for example, and we could talk to these Somalis about the Constitution, we could say, Hello, illiterate Muslim Somali, where you have no tradition of civil society. 1.00

01:04:36.000 Well, here's how the Constitution works. 1.00

01:04:38.000 Read some Montesquieu, read some Voltaire. 0.88

01:04:41.000 If you go down to Los Angeles, which is basically Mexico, and you go and you say, Well, look, if you guys just understand that it's an Anglo Protestant culture and we go back to the Magna Carta, look, if that were possible, that would be an entire different paradigm.

01:04:55.000 But this is simply not going to happen.

01:04:57.000 This is a fantasy.

01:04:58.000 This is a civic nationalist fantasy.

01:05:01.000 You had a soccer game back in the 1990s.

01:05:04.000 Whereas Mexico versus the United States.

01:05:06.000 And that's written actually, it's written about in Sam Huntington, Who Are We?

01:05:10.000 And they talk about how there was a soccer game in Los Angeles between Mexico and the United States.

01:05:15.000 And in this stadium where there were all these Mexicans, they were waving the red, white, and green flag.

01:05:20.000 And anybody who was holding up an American flag got booed. 0.61

01:05:23.000 They threw tomatoes at them.

01:05:24.000 They threw their drinks at them.

01:05:26.000 They threw piss at them.

01:05:27.000 And it just goes to show that this idea that we're going to embrace these people who are culturally, linguistically, and racially united.

01:05:35.000 In pursuit of common goals, that we're going to convince them to give all that up and just kind of assimilate.

01:05:41.000 It's not going to happen.

01:05:43.000 It's impossible.

01:05:44.000 That's what we talk about when we talk about these are the forces of gravity.

01:05:47.000 I would agree that in a totalitarian kind of mindset, it would be impossible to kind of forecast all these kinds of people migrating over to the United States is just going to all of a sudden snap their fingers and then adopt an American mindset.

01:05:59.000 I agree.

01:06:00.000 But here's what I also suppose it's far more realistic to get people in America to buy into civic nationalism. 0.55

01:06:07.000 Than it ever would be to get a bunch of white people on some kind of singular area and a bunch of blacks in one area and a bunch of Latinos, I guess, sitting back as well.

01:06:14.000 So you have to already ask yourself not as civic nationalism as a concept being adopted, is it possible, but is it more possible than ethnic nationalism? 0.66

01:06:23.000 And the answer is obviously yes.

01:06:24.000 And we've seen a few empirical examples.

01:06:26.000 However, so first and foremost, sure, you go to Somalia, you try to get them to read any Western classics and French post structuralism, they're not going to bite in because they're not, you know, they're not.

01:06:37.000 Is they just don't think that way?

01:06:39.000 That's a problem of migration, so that's literally not mutually exclusive to ethnic nationalism.

01:06:43.000 Civic nationalism proponents we can support merit based education and so on and so forth and all that without triggering all the negative implications of ethnic nationalism. 0.93

01:06:53.000 So we continue to both agree stop migration.

01:06:56.000 I would also say you can look at black movements in the early 19th century and the late 20th century, and you can see that there were movements that were Afrocentric. 0.85

01:07:06.000 There were pro Africa movements.

01:07:08.000 There were also black separatist movements.

01:07:10.000 What happened to all those movements?

01:07:12.000 Those movements lost out.

01:07:13.000 They lost out to pro assimilation based modes of thinking of Martin Luther King and so on and so forth that said that no, you know what, go into American society, assimilate, blah, blah, blah.

01:07:23.000 Yeah, sure, you get called the N word 50 times on your way to campus, continue to walk to campus with your head high.

01:07:29.000 It'll work out, blah, blah, blah. 1.00

01:07:30.000 That kind of a simulation first mindset, it literally worked for the black. 0.97

01:07:33.000 So, my thing is sure, you may think it's impossible for contemporary Latinos to adopt an American mindset. 0.53

01:07:40.000 I say no.

01:07:41.000 I say that's what literally all of conservatism is working on.

01:07:44.000 We are working on showing people the power of Americanism, showing people the power of what happens in American markets.

01:07:50.000 I know you like to make fun of the conservative millennial for talking about markets as a construct of Americanism.

01:07:56.000 And, you know, some of that I agree with you about.

01:07:58.000 But I will say that I agree that markets.

01:08:01.000 And trust in markets is what has allowed people like Dr. Dre to assimilate into social classes where his family can access certain social mobility, you know, and so on and so forth.

01:08:11.000 And things literally change.

01:08:13.000 So, my argument is simple assimilation will work when you buy in.

01:08:16.000 Really? 0.96

01:08:17.000 We can get people to buy in, but it literally comes at a cost.

01:08:21.000 There's a trade off.

01:08:22.000 Either you advocate for civic nationalism or you advocate for the impossible fantasy realm, which you called civic nat.

01:08:28.000 You advocate for a fantasy realm of where ethnic nationalism can ever persist in the United States.

01:08:33.000 So, you're literally.

01:08:34.000 You know, it's coming at a trade off. 0.82

01:08:36.000 While people like me are trying to spread American values and getting people to buy into it, people like you are inherently dividing America with pleas of ethnic nationalism, and you're feeding into exactly what Black Lives Matter and Maratha have.

01:08:49.000 I love it.

01:08:50.000 I love it, RC. 0.98

01:08:51.000 The Dems are the real racist. 0.98

01:08:54.000 Oh, it's delicious. 0.99

01:08:55.000 But let's start with this.

01:08:56.000 You say assimilation exists. 0.58

01:09:00.000 Well, let's look at assimilation.

01:09:02.000 In 2008, you know what percentage of blacks voted for Barack Obama in 2008?

01:09:07.000 Do you know those numbers?

01:09:09.000 Maybe 91, 90?

01:09:13.000 97, 97% of blacks voted for Barack Obama.

01:09:16.000 Does that sound very assimilated? 0.73

01:09:18.000 Blacks voted for the black president. 0.99

01:09:20.000 Now, they didn't, as is the great tradition in this country, meditate on the issues. 0.97

01:09:24.000 They didn't say, well, how will his tax policy affect me?

01:09:27.000 How will his policy on war affect me?

01:09:29.000 How will his policy on health care affect me?

01:09:31.000 No, they said, he looks like me.

01:09:33.000 He's the same ethnic group as me.

01:09:35.000 I'm voting for him.

01:09:36.000 97% did that.

01:09:38.000 You look at the murder rates. 1.00

01:09:40.000 The black murder rate, if you take it out of the American murder rate broadly, is comparable to the murder rate in West Africa and the rest of Africa. 0.82

01:09:48.000 The murder rate of white America is comparable with Europe. 0.70

01:09:51.000 You look at Detroit, and Detroit looks more like Haiti in many ways than it looks like cities in Wisconsin, cities in Michigan, cities in Illinois, like Springfield, or cities in Maine that are American but that are white. 0.62

01:10:05.000 And you have to ask yourself has assimilation truly occurred? 0.73

01:10:09.000 And you look at Hispanics. 0.98

01:10:11.000 It's funny, you use this example of like, well, Hispanics are not assimilating. 1.00

01:10:15.000 But we just have to try really hard to get them to assimilate. 0.99

01:10:19.000 I'm out here trying to get them, and you're dividing America. 0.91

01:10:22.000 Well, dividing them along what, RC?

01:10:24.000 Dividing them along what lines?

01:10:25.000 Dividing them along ethnic lines?

01:10:27.000 What if those lines weren't there to exploit?

01:10:30.000 What if those lines weren't there to exacerbate or to highlight differences?

01:10:34.000 What if everybody had their own home where they spoke the same language, where they looked the same, where they had the same ancestors like the most prosperous, safe, and free countries in Northern Europe?

01:10:46.000 But it's kind of begging the question.

01:10:47.000 You talk about fantasy, the civic nationalist argument is a fantasy that we're going to get Somalis and Chinese and Mexicans and Europeans and Muslims, and we're all just going to live together with contradictory beliefs, religions, values, histories, and none of that will ever be a problem.

01:11:04.000 None of that will ever cause conflict.

01:11:06.000 Okay, if you say so, I'm not willing to take the two.

01:11:09.000 Well, tell me where the Civil War is.

01:11:11.000 We've accelerated towards a more diverse population ever since the end of the Civil War, and we haven't had another Civil War.

01:11:17.000 Is that because we're living peacefully amongst each other?

01:11:19.000 Because, of course, you can mention instances of crime, but I would just beat you predominantly that crime is motivated by poverty, 100%.

01:11:26.000 When an instance of crime happens, most likely hunger breeds hatred.

01:11:30.000 Yes, poverty is caused by crime.

01:11:32.000 I am going to dispute that.

01:11:32.000 What causes crime?

01:11:35.000 What causes crime?

01:11:36.000 Well, I think it's a pretty good pamphlet.

01:11:39.000 It's called The Color of Crime. 0.96

01:11:40.000 And I think you should check that out because you'll find that actually the poorest white neighborhoods are safer than the richest black neighborhoods. 0.96

01:11:47.000 Really? 0.90

01:11:47.000 Are you saying that? 0.90

01:11:48.000 But commits crime. 0.95

01:11:49.000 Poor white neighborhoods are committing a high amount of illegal drug possession charges. 0.97

01:11:53.000 They have high amounts of crime taking place.

01:11:57.000 Are you saying that that's not true?

01:11:59.000 All I'm saying is that I think we look at these settlements in this country, and I think they are far more comparable to the places where they came from and where they supposedly assimilated into. 0.63

01:12:09.000 I think if you look at Latin American neighborhoods in this country, I think if you look at black neighborhoods in this country, I think they look more like the neighborhoods where they came from than they look like anything that existed here. 0.74

01:12:20.000 Prior to when they settled, Detroit was once a thriving and a great city. 0.92

01:12:26.000 It was a great city, wealthy, working class, beautiful structures, beautiful architecture. 0.97

01:12:33.000 And within how many years of white flight did it turn out not so great?

01:12:38.000 Did it turn out not so great? 0.89

01:12:39.000 Because it became an economic despair zone? 0.98

01:12:39.000 Why did the whites leave? 0.98

01:12:42.000 The Democrats. 0.77

01:12:43.000 No, because it became an economic despair zone.

01:12:45.000 And this is the thing.

01:12:47.000 Oh, yeah.

01:12:47.000 But why did they come?

01:12:48.000 You never asked about that.

01:12:50.000 What's the conflict?

01:12:51.000 No, you never ask the questions of what causes these kind of systemic problems. 0.90

01:12:55.000 It's simple to just say white flight happened, but there's a reason why white flight happened. 0.80

01:12:59.000 Because literally the car, the motor city stopped becoming the economic boom town that it once was. 0.82

01:13:06.000 And this is just facts.

01:13:07.000 Economic activity is what drives poverty.

01:13:11.000 And you can wash over it and just laugh, but you're literally. 0.72

01:13:14.000 Yeah, you can continue to just laugh, but you don't know why whites left Detroit.

01:13:17.000 And I'm telling you, it's because it became an economic despair zone. 0.51

01:13:20.000 Right?

01:13:20.000 Hey, if that's your argument, I'm not going to.

01:13:23.000 Hey, if that's.

01:13:24.000 And that's my argument that you don't have an answer for.

01:13:27.000 And that's my argument that you don't have an answer for.

01:13:29.000 Crystal clear.

01:13:30.000 I mean, look, I knew people that fled Detroit.

01:13:32.000 I knew people.

01:13:34.000 One of my history teachers in high school fled Detroit.

01:13:36.000 And he didn't flee Detroit because it wasn't an economic boomtown.

01:13:40.000 He fled there because they had to send the National Guard because of the race riots after Martin Luther King Jr. died. 0.75

01:13:46.000 That's why. 0.99

01:13:47.000 And you know, it's kind of funny.

01:13:48.000 When Huey Long got assassinated, there weren't any white race riots in Detroit.

01:13:53.000 Let me just tell you that much.

01:13:54.000 So, you know, you're going to say, oh, it's because it was not an economic boomtown.

01:13:57.000 You know, it had nothing to do with it.

01:13:59.000 They burned the city to the ground because.

01:14:02.000 Jerking yourself on, but all I'll say is tell all the viewers to just literally look up the decline of Detroit and it'll tell you that the automobile industry and the economic activity that went there had a huge impact and influence over whether or not that city was booming economically.

01:14:17.000 So just look up the decline of Detroit.

01:14:19.000 Oh, my God.

01:14:20.000 And I'm.

01:14:21.000 Me and you, Foy, says, I'm all facts.

01:14:23.000 I'm all getting back to what is realistic.

01:14:26.000 And you talk about conditionalities.

01:14:28.000 What if? 0.67

01:14:29.000 What if XYZ happened? 0.77

01:14:30.000 And I'm telling you, this is what happens. 0.97

01:14:32.000 Poverty comes in an instance of hunger, and Detroit, white flight didn't happen because of blacks coming there. 0.67

01:14:39.000 It happened because of the decline of the automobile industry.

01:14:41.000 Nothing to do with the, had nothing to do with the race riots and people getting shot at and then burning.

01:14:47.000 Yeah, and there has been so much scholarship that has been dedicated to explaining away these kinds of things.

01:14:52.000 Well, it's not because of, not because of racial differences, it's because of um geography, it's because of economics, and there is, there has been so much scholarship dedicated to explaining away those differences.

01:15:04.000 But we all know they're true.

01:15:06.000 We, we have all been to high school and we all so.

01:15:09.000 Is this your argument?

01:15:11.000 Your argument is, you're using academic scholarship, and I know what.

01:15:16.000 That's essentially your argument.

01:15:16.000 I'm telling you.

01:15:17.000 Wait, wait, wait.

01:15:18.000 I'm literally explaining to you facts.

01:15:20.000 I got something for you.

01:15:22.000 Look up the decline of Detroit.

01:15:25.000 You're echoing.

01:15:27.000 You're echoing, bro.

01:15:28.000 Here it is.

01:15:29.000 Here it is, big guy.

01:15:30.000 I would recommend The Bell.

01:15:31.000 Hold on, give me one second.

01:15:33.000 By Charles Murray, Richard Hernstein.

01:15:35.000 I would check this one out.

01:15:36.000 I check out a number of books.

01:15:39.000 But how much scholarship will be dedicated to explaining away differences between groups that are real that we all know exist?

01:15:46.000 And I use the example of.

01:15:47.000 Lunchroom.

01:15:49.000 I was in high school.

01:15:49.000 We were all in high school once, and we have these diverse high schools now.

01:15:53.000 And what tends to happen when you walk into a high school lunchroom, in the absence of government mandated diversity, in the absence of any kind of mandates that you have to mix or you have to associate with other people, people tend to sort along these lines.

01:16:06.000 And I was in high school, and even the Eastern European kids, the Serbs hung out with the Serbs, and the Croatians with the Croatians, but the blacks hung out with the blacks, Hispanics with Hispanics, Asians with Asians.

01:16:16.000 And that's simply the way it is. 0.66

01:16:19.000 When people are left to their own devices, They sort themselves.

01:16:22.000 They tend to, and this is what we observe in history people tend to want to be around people that are like them.

01:16:28.000 And there's a reason for that.

01:16:30.000 It reduces conflict, it reduces friction.

01:16:33.000 And this is the record of history.

01:16:35.000 This is how it is throughout the world today.

01:16:37.000 By the way, I just looked up the warrants.

01:16:41.000 I do still hear a little bit of an echo.

01:16:43.000 I apologize for that.

01:16:44.000 Why don't you work on getting it?

01:16:46.000 It's echoing really bad.

01:16:49.000 Hello?

01:16:51.000 Yeah, I think it's not RC.

01:16:51.000 Okay.

01:16:53.000 Here, why don't you work on fixing that?

01:16:55.000 I'm going to pound through a couple super chats here.

01:16:57.000 I haven't said any of these at all.

01:16:59.000 So let's just take a quick, like, two to three minute break, and then we'll get right back into it.

01:17:03.000 And this is really amazing.

01:17:05.000 So I really haven't said much.

01:17:08.000 All right.

01:17:09.000 So I can still hear an echo.

01:17:12.000 Maybe it's me.

01:17:13.000 I'll turn my volume all the way down.

01:17:15.000 Okay, cool.

01:17:16.000 Let me go through some of these.

01:17:18.000 Andrew M with the $5. 0.99

01:17:20.000 Civic nationalists are such cowards. 0.87

01:17:23.000 They push civic nationalism over ethno nationalism because they think it's more digestible, not because it's better. 0.97

01:17:29.000 Thank you, Andrew.

01:17:31.000 Evelyn Somaji with the $5. 1.00

01:17:33.000 Can we get rid of sanctuary cities while having civic nationalism? 1.00

01:17:37.000 That's a good question.

01:17:38.000 Blood and Honor.

01:17:39.000 If civic nationalism is so great, then why America, as a current civic nationalist state, is so degenerate, materialistic, and is making people miserable?

01:17:54.000 That's a pretty good question.

01:17:56.000 Could we, RC, do you mind answering that question?

01:17:59.000 Yeah.

01:17:59.000 So, you know, I also do just want to say I just looked up the warrant.

01:18:04.000 150,000 jobs were lost in Detroit to the suburbs because automobile jobs and industries was moving and expanding out of the city.

01:18:11.000 That's why kind of the poverty started.

01:18:13.000 But to answer the questions, number one, can civic nationalism exist or is removing sanctuary cities still civic nationalists?

01:18:20.000 I think 100%.

01:18:22.000 The goal of sanctuary cities is to say that.

01:18:25.000 Regardless of whatever kind of nationhood that exists, there should be a kind of sanctuary for people who do not belong to that kind of unified political creed.

01:18:34.000 It's literally the antithesis of quote unquote civic nationalism.

01:18:39.000 So, yes, I say get rid of sanctuary cities.

01:18:42.000 Most rhinos or cucks, like people on the alt-right like to call me, will still probably argue that sanctuary cities have no place in America.

01:18:50.000 And I think that's something Fuentes and I agree on.

01:18:52.000 And then going back to.

01:18:53.000 Yeah, and to point out real quick, I mean, in my experience with you, you actually have been to some of the meetings in Cudahy.

01:19:02.000 You've stood against the sanctuary cities.

01:19:05.000 Is that correct?

01:19:06.000 Yeah, I stand against sanctuary cities fiercely and even to a level to where the party doesn't want me to.

01:19:10.000 I'm always at city council meetings where.

01:19:13.000 Sanctuary city discussions are a line item.

01:19:15.000 I go there.

01:19:16.000 I get, you know, threatened and stuff like that.

01:19:18.000 That's something, a line that I don't, I don't tell in terms of letting sanctuary cities exist.

01:19:22.000 And I don't think that, um, you know, there's anything about removing sanctuary cities and, and, and, uh, civic nationalism that exists right there.

01:19:30.000 I think, you know, I think those two things to me exist.

01:19:32.000 Also, the second question, number one, I'd like to point out that that super chatter kind of agreed that America is a civic nationalist country.

01:19:39.000 So, Nick, that although they're saying it's a degenerate country because it's a civic nationalist, they're agreeing with my assertion that America is a civic nationalist country.

01:19:48.000 And on that question, yes, America is becoming more degenerate.

01:19:51.000 I think that's because they're trying to feminize, they are trying to globalize, and they're trying to implement these kinds of themes in America that ultimately have no place to be there.

01:20:00.000 I think that's a kind of opposition and contrast with traditional conservative values, which I'd like to see a restoration to, and most civic nationalists would. 0.65

01:20:11.000 So I think the kind of sexual revolution stuff, and I think all of the stuff that's inherently anti Christian.

01:20:17.000 And remember, I am Lutheran.

01:20:18.000 So I am one of those people who.

01:20:21.000 Kind of ascribed to, you know, I guess, traditional, I guess, Western religion and stuff like that.

01:20:27.000 But I think civic nationalists would agree that America's degeneracy is being caused by a feminization and a kind of globalization of our society, which I would also like to eradicate.

01:20:38.000 In fact, yeah, go ahead.

01:20:39.000 Hey, you have a response, Nick?

01:20:42.000 So, you know, it's funny because there is, which hasn't been talked about so far, a direct correlation between the advent of mass immigration and the introduction.

01:20:52.000 Of a civic nationalist, functionally and essentially, effectively civic nationalist identity in the country, and the complete collapse of community, the complete collapse of civics, civic institutions, civic organizations.

01:21:05.000 This is detailed in another one, Robert Putnam's Bowling Alone.

01:21:08.000 He talks about it how, even in North Dakota, this is a great example in the book, even in North Dakota, where you have a state that is racially homogeneous, even in communities where it's largely Scandinavians, there will still be, there will still be.

01:21:23.000 The decline of community because of differences between Swedes and Nords, because of different kinds of Scandinavians. 0.83

01:21:31.000 And you would think, you would think that in a country like the United States, in a place like North Dakota, and with groups as similar as the different kinds of people in Scandinavia, they would be, you know, you could get rid of those, you could live together in happiness and harmony and so on.

01:21:45.000 But he shows that even between these marginally different groups, in a place where it should be e pluribus unum, there are still those frictions.

01:21:53.000 It still exacerbates those frictions in the community.

01:21:55.000 And why do you think?

01:21:57.000 Why do you think we are so degenerate now?

01:21:59.000 Why do you think our young people are so aimless, so searching, so wandering?

01:22:03.000 It's because they are rootless.

01:22:05.000 They have no identity.

01:22:06.000 They have no community.

01:22:07.000 And then why do they have no community?

01:22:09.000 It's because it's been, you've introduced people that don't speak the language.

01:22:12.000 You've introduced people that don't share the same values, that don't share the same culture, that don't even think of themselves as Americans.

01:22:17.000 And you have a loss of a racial identity.

01:22:19.000 White people are told, you know, you don't have a culture, you don't have a history, you can't dance, you're not cool, and on and on.

01:22:26.000 And so I think you can even ascribe a lot of the degeneracy, a lot of the decline of the country, even the youth. 0.95

01:22:31.000 To the advent of this multicultural, multiethnic, multiracial, civic nationalist country where people are coming in and they're destroying the cohesiveness, the coherence of a country that was homogeneous.

01:22:44.000 And even to go back to this, just dawned on me, even to go back to the argument with Detroit, which you tried to get a little snipe in there, there was an equivalent decline in the steel industry in Pittsburgh. 0.72

01:22:55.000 So, like, you know, and granted, there was a decline in the auto industry in Detroit, but there was a similar decline in the steel industry of Pittsburgh.

01:23:02.000 A lot of people have Pittsburgh.

01:23:03.000 Pittsburgh is still a beautiful city.

01:23:05.000 Pittsburgh is not bankrupt.

01:23:06.000 Pittsburgh is not falling apart at the seams like Detroit is.

01:23:10.000 It is absolutely demographics. 0.99

01:23:12.000 And I would challenge you point to me a single thriving black country or settlement in the entire world that can contest any other civilization. 0.99

01:23:22.000 Can you point to a single one? 1.00

01:23:23.000 Yeah, that's a good question to ask.

01:23:25.000 But what does that have to do with civic versus ethnic nationalism?

01:23:27.000 It has everything to do with it.

01:23:29.000 It has everything to do with it.

01:23:31.000 Because if you have people. 0.70

01:23:33.000 And if you have different racial groups with different aptitudes and you have different outcomes, well, then what is the fate of black people in America? 0.64

01:23:43.000 If you have not one great world city in 3,000 years, not one written language until we got there, not one two story building, and even today, not one great country, not one great city, not one great settlement, what do you think of why we should be?

01:23:57.000 I think you're forgetting about the great city of Wakanda.

01:24:02.000 They're looking pretty nice.

01:24:04.000 And people have to think about just why is that.

01:24:07.000 I get this is a good virtue signal to the alt right. 0.95

01:24:10.000 You say, oh my gosh, what black name? 0.95

01:24:12.000 Name one black West. 0.98

01:24:13.000 Let me finish. 0.99

01:24:14.000 Name one black.

01:24:15.000 It's a good virtue signal for you, but it literally has no standing in this debate.

01:24:20.000 That only answers the question of what, and you should, and this is an anthropological question.

01:24:24.000 Maybe you should read Jared Diamond Guns, Germs, and Steel.

01:24:26.000 Maybe you would understand what happened with colonialization and why people who have dark skin and those countries that have dark skin are not as modernized. 0.53

01:24:34.000 That's literally a question of anthropology.

01:24:36.000 But going back to the debate, You use Putnam analysis of bowling alone.

01:24:41.000 And Putnam analysis here really just talks about the reason why these kinds of phenomena of crime and declining philanthropy happen because of what happens when social capital and social stock of that region declines.

01:24:55.000 That is inherently, that's merely a statement that says that when you don't buy in to the social stock of that geopolitical area, there is conflict.

01:25:04.000 Something that civic nationalists agree with.

01:25:07.000 The problem there becomes when you talk about ethnic nationalism.

01:25:11.000 You even talked about it yourself.

01:25:13.000 You said that a lot of these kinds of degenerate concepts aren't American.

01:25:16.000 There's nothing about whites, right?

01:25:18.000 There's nothing about whites. 0.56

01:25:19.000 These are historically non American concepts that are kind of starting to permeate contemporary American society. 0.77

01:25:25.000 And that is an influence of globalism.

01:25:27.000 That is an influence which is not a fault of civic nationalism because civic nationalism means we unite under the same set of American kind of value system and cultures and so on and so forth.

01:25:37.000 So, yet again, another instance, civic nationalism would ameliorate and would just literally be exacerbated.

01:25:44.000 By ethnic nationalism, because you would literally just cause conflict in a world where you see one's social stock in your mind starting to decline.

01:25:54.000 Okay, but don't you see that the real difference here is that I have data, I have examples, I have historical precedent of people that don't work well together, and all you have is a hope.

01:26:04.000 All you have is a hope is, well, let's try this.

01:26:07.000 Let's try civic nationalism.

01:26:10.000 That's what we've been trying in America.

01:26:12.000 We've been building human settlements for thousands of years, but We figured it out and we're going to try and try, and even though all the record of history is against us, even though okay, so so what you would have wanted is no, I let you, I let you know.

01:26:27.000 So, are you saying that we shouldn't have built settlements?

01:26:30.000 Hey, guys, we have to have some rules here.

01:26:33.000 I know we don't exactly like the rule of law over there.

01:26:37.000 But look, and when I bring up the fact that there's not a single, and you couldn't name it, you couldn't name a single settlement where they're successful or even on par or exceeding the success of other civilizations, the point is to demonstrate why are we, no, no, but again, even here, can you name a single place where there's like a thriving black neighborhood or city?

01:27:01.000 Anywhere you see.

01:27:02.000 Anywhere you see it, it's uh, yeah.

01:27:04.000 Do you know where look up Baldwin Hill in Los Angeles?

01:27:07.000 It's a kind of black suburb.

01:27:08.000 Like, I don't know what your question is.

01:27:11.000 You continue to ask this question about as a thriving black area as if that's somehow an answer to whether or not civic nationalism, yeah.

01:27:19.000 The point is to demonstrate that you have different people, different peoples, different customs, cultures, and it is racial.

01:27:26.000 The point is to demonstrate that if civic nationalism were true, then black people would have assimilated. 0.55

01:27:31.000 They've been on this continent for 400 and some years, and they've had.

01:27:37.000 Political equality, I guess, in the real sense, since the 1960s.

01:27:40.000 And yet, they will not wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on, come on, guy.

01:27:45.000 I mean, really, do you really have to rely on these interruptions?

01:27:48.000 And yet, in these 58 years since they've achieved some degree of political equality, there has not been a catching up in outcomes.

01:27:57.000 And what this demonstrates, if there was assimilation, you would see if civic nationalism could persist and we could try it and we could have it work with all different peoples, then the blacks in South. 0.58

01:28:09.000 In the south side of Chicago, they would be doing well.

01:28:12.000 They'd be doing as well as the north side of Chicago. 0.64

01:28:14.000 And the blacks in Detroit would be doing as well as any other democratic city. 0.75

01:28:19.000 But the fact of the matter is that even when left to their own devices, even when given political freedom, economic freedom, even when giving a leg up in the case of affirmative action, the outcomes are still different. 0.68

01:28:28.000 And what that goes to show is that these are different peoples.

01:28:31.000 And no amount of, you can pass out your Constitution pamphlets and you can pass out, you know, you can try and teach them what this country was all about. 0.96

01:28:38.000 And maybe you could hope that in one or two generations, you can imbue.

01:28:42.000 The experience of generations and centuries of people, not only on this continent, but in this culture.

01:28:49.000 But again, the record of history is against that.

01:28:51.000 It is simply not worn out by the facts.

01:28:54.000 And you want to take the country on this experiment.

01:29:00.000 So, first, you say, name an example of a colony that survived and did well.

01:29:07.000 I think America is a great example of a colony that is performing phenomenally as a civic nationalist colony.

01:29:13.000 And if you don't think, and we're finding And this is where we're finding more and more about your ideology.

01:29:18.000 If you think that America is functionally as a failed colony, because of the way, let me continue. 0.81

01:29:25.000 You're also finding more about your ideology in which you say that black people predominantly haven't assimilated. 0.81

01:29:31.000 And maybe this is why, sure, yeah, I punch people and I can attack David Fire and break laws, and I'm still 20 times more employable by any political entity than you will ever be. 0.95

01:29:40.000 Because I noticed that little cheap shot there, Charlottesville boy.

01:29:44.000 But let me continue.

01:29:45.000 But let me go ahead and continue. 0.96

01:29:46.000 So black people have black peer genes.

01:29:51.000 Not everyone in Charlottesville was bad, RC. 0.96

01:29:53.000 Of course.

01:29:54.000 Antonio Foreman was in Charlottesville, and that's one of my best friends.

01:29:58.000 So ultimately, I think black people have assimilated.

01:30:01.000 I think that there is infinite examples of proof. 1.00

01:30:04.000 I guess Nick's answer is that no, in his mind, we're still out here doing Wakanda chants out here in Chicago, and that's why people are dying.

01:30:12.000 No, Nick, you need to get to a next level of analysis.

01:30:15.000 And this is where ethnic nationalist proponents ultimately fell. 0.85

01:30:19.000 I still continue to tell you that area in Southside Chicago, they have that crime because they don't have economic opportunity.

01:30:28.000 And this is, once again, me getting on my high horse and saying, yeah, capitalism resolves all because I legitimately believe if these people had markets they can access, if they had modes of opportunity economically, they wouldn't be killing people in the street.

01:30:41.000 Additionally, I think it's also a question of family and kind of support of family structures. 0.81

01:30:46.000 And this is where we get off into what has kind of caused black people as a whole to stagnate.

01:30:52.000 Because I would say there's a good amount of African Americans that are functioning and thriving into society, but there are a lot of still folks who are behind.

01:31:00.000 That's because they have subjected themselves to democratic modes of thinking where they think that they need handouts and they think that they don't need fathers in their life, and people are having multiple babies out of wedlock and so on and so forth. 0.51

01:31:12.000 So, what Ben Shapiro says is true, and it still remains to be true.

01:31:16.000 If you are black in America and you do not have a kid out of wedlock, you get a job and you go to college, you will be successful.

01:31:24.000 Everyone isn't adopting that mindset, especially a predominant of people in Southside Chicago because they're just in a terrible poverty bred environment.

01:31:33.000 Area where it's literally cyclical.

01:31:35.000 Look up the words cyclical, systemic, and understand that some of these factors have an ability to kind of dwarf one's ability to transform and access other levels of society. 0.99

01:31:45.000 So African Americans have assimilated. 0.90

01:31:51.000 Asians have assimilated.

01:31:53.000 Who sounds like the leftist now? 0.99

01:31:54.000 These are in leftist terms.

01:31:57.000 Just because you have postmodern philosophical themes of your argumentation doesn't imply you're a leftist.

01:32:02.000 It just means you've read.

01:32:03.000 I've read Nietzsche.

01:32:04.000 I've read Lacan, but it doesn't make me a leftist.

01:32:06.000 It means that I read it.

01:32:08.000 Well, here's why I wanted to interrupt you from the beginning.

01:32:12.000 Okay.

01:32:13.000 It's because the entire argument is based on a false premise.

01:32:17.000 I mean, you consistently have to lie about my argument or pretend you didn't hear it or pretend you misheard it for you to have any leg to stand on.

01:32:25.000 You started your response by saying, you said no colonies have been successful, which is an outright lie. 1.00

01:32:32.000 You outright lie, or you're too stupid to understand. 1.00

01:32:35.000 Or you didn't hear it. 1.00

01:32:37.000 Because what I said was not no colony has succeeded. 0.76

01:32:39.000 I said no black settlement, whether it be Haiti, whether it be in America, whether it be in Africa, whether it be in China, Europe. 0.80

01:32:48.000 I said you cannot name a single major settlement. 0.80

01:32:51.000 Africa has not produced a single great world city in 3,000 years, not a single great nation.

01:32:56.000 I'm talking about Sub Saharan Africa. 0.95

01:32:58.000 But you, but wait, wait, wait.

01:33:00.000 I let you finish.

01:33:01.000 I let you finish.

01:33:02.000 And you said, well, you said no colony has succeeded, which it just goes to show how deceptive.

01:33:08.000 I mean, you have to outright lie about my argument, but that's from the beginning.

01:33:13.000 The more.

01:33:13.000 If you can't, if you have to lie, because, and here's the thing though, but you can't name a single settlement that's worked.

01:33:20.000 And you have to blame it on, well, it's economic factors, it's cultural factors. 0.98

01:33:24.000 That is frankly pathetic. 0.99

01:33:24.000 And you know what? 0.99

01:33:26.000 That is frankly pathetic. 1.00

01:33:28.000 You have to resort to. 1.00

01:33:29.000 Wait, I'll let you finish.

01:33:31.000 I'll let you finish. 0.98

01:33:33.000 Make a point and stop grandstanding and calling things pathetic. 0.95

01:33:37.000 Make a point. 0.96

01:33:38.000 And again, of course, you have to interrupt because.

01:33:41.000 Because they're not making a point.

01:33:42.000 Because you're saying, the point is this.

01:33:44.000 Okay, let Nick make a point, and then RC, you can respond.

01:33:47.000 The point is this. 0.96

01:33:48.000 If you are saying, if you choose to ignore the fact that black outcomes, regardless of circumstance, regardless of geography, regardless of modern technology or equality or whatever, are still not at the same level as any other civilization, and you're saying, oh, well, it's systematic and it's cultural and it's whatever, I'm saying that's pathetic. 0.91

01:34:07.000 Because you can look at other groups that have come here, you can look at the Jews, for example.

01:34:12.000 In the 1860s, or I think it was the 1840s, where there was a big diaspora group of Jews who came to the country and they were poor, they had nothing when they came here, and within four years, more a higher GDP per capita than the native population.

01:34:25.000 And what does that tell you?

01:34:27.000 Despite discrimination, despite systemic and cyclical oppression, they made it out.

01:34:32.000 And then look at the case with.

01:34:34.000 You're contradicting arguments.

01:34:36.000 Where they have programs, where they have affirmative action, where how much federal, state, and local money is poured into programs in their schools, programs in their communities, and they get affirmative action and they get affirmative actions at jobs.

01:34:49.000 You say you're more employable than me.

01:34:51.000 Yeah, gee, I wonder why in the age of affirmative action. 0.53

01:34:54.000 And I love you throw out these ad hominems because.

01:34:56.000 You started it tonight.

01:34:58.000 I don't respect laws.

01:35:00.000 No facts.

01:35:01.000 No facts.

01:35:02.000 You simply cannot defend civic nationalism.

01:35:05.000 All you have is a sandpile of ideology.

01:35:08.000 You have questions about name a black society that is Western. 0.88

01:35:11.000 You're literally. 0.97

01:35:12.000 Yeah.

01:35:13.000 You're saying I can't name facts for civic nationalism.

01:35:15.000 You've now pigeonholed.

01:35:16.000 You're literally just asking me over and over again name a black colony that started and was successful.

01:35:21.000 That's literally going off topic. 0.89

01:35:23.000 You said black colony.

01:35:24.000 Yes. 1.00

01:35:25.000 Black instance of colonization. 0.97

01:35:26.000 I said settlement. 1.00

01:35:27.000 Black settlement. 0.85

01:35:27.000 Sure. 0.85

01:35:28.000 That's literally.

01:35:29.000 That has nothing to do with the debate over civic versus ethnic nationalism.

01:35:32.000 And also.

01:35:33.000 That's a distinction without a difference.

01:35:35.000 This is just more instances of you trying to distract from the discussion. 0.98

01:35:38.000 Also, furthermore, Moors and Egyptians, they're functionally black. 0.96

01:35:42.000 They have black skin. 0.99

01:35:43.000 Are you going to say they're Jewish? 0.88

01:35:45.000 Are you going to say they're Jewish?

01:35:47.000 Yeah, you're going to say they're Jewish?

01:35:52.000 Yeah.

01:35:53.000 And that was before what happened? 0.95

01:35:56.000 And that was before the transatlantic slave trade happened.

01:35:58.000 That was before colonization.

01:36:01.000 Could we just say that we were kangs for the sound clip?

01:36:04.000 We were kangs!

01:36:05.000 What you mean?

01:36:06.000 No, but seriously though.

01:36:07.000 Seriously, we were.

01:36:09.000 We were.

01:36:10.000 I'm serious.

01:36:10.000 But seriously, this is the point.

01:36:12.000 Nick Winters is now, and this also says something about where Nick's mind is going in this discussion that he can't keep the debate on civic versus ethnic nationalism.

01:36:20.000 His argument now seems to be.

01:36:22.000 We got the knives out.

01:36:24.000 We got the knives out.

01:36:24.000 I see.

01:36:26.000 Since you can't name an instance of black settlements being successful, then this proves that blacks and whites can't live together because we're just so different. 0.92

01:36:34.000 And that doesn't resolve Latino culture, Asian culture. 0.77

01:36:38.000 So even if I take your premise to be true, That blacks are so primitive, we can't live with white folks, your premise still wouldn't make sense because that wouldn't be a reason why ethnic nationalism should subsist. 0.81

01:36:50.000 So you're continuing to have all these misnomers that have nothing to do with the debate simply because this is just what you believe. 0.72

01:36:56.000 You're trying to put in little hints of your ideology to distract from the debate.

01:37:00.000 So let's go back to the debate.

01:37:03.000 When assimilation happened?

01:37:04.000 And my question, what started this whole thing was assimilation is infinitely more possible than restructuring our entire system of governmentality in order to allow for ethno states to exist.

01:37:16.000 And you haven't proven that wrong.

01:37:18.000 You also haven't proven wrong that empirically separatist movements just fail. 0.89

01:37:23.000 Black separatist movements have failed. 0.90

01:37:24.000 And my goal is hopefully La Raza and indigenous and pro Latino separatist movements are also going to fail because they're just going to buy into Americanism, just like multiple families have. 0.56

01:37:36.000 And I know this hates you, Nick, that people like myself and my family have access to, I guess, certain wealth you think only whites should have access to.

01:37:45.000 But my grandmother worked with the LAPD.

01:37:50.000 She was literally one of the first black female officers to work with the LAPD.

01:37:55.000 So, what you think about a simulation has been proven false empirically, time and time again. 0.71

01:38:01.000 And you can continue to say black people aren't civilized, which is functionally your argument. 0.94

01:38:07.000 And this is why your ideology kind of just lives on the internet.

01:38:11.000 And my ideology is into the mainstream, not because it's more digestible, because it's just more legitimate.

01:38:17.000 It's more real world, it's more practical, and it's how people who have minds and think critically.

01:38:22.000 Engage with the world and people who sit on the internet and just blame Jews and blacks for their inability to get access to political jobs like I have is what people like to do.

01:38:33.000 Well, look, I mean, from it's travel.

01:38:35.000 We have to address this because it's become so distracting.

01:38:39.000 I mean, here I've made the case that civic nationalism can't work because assimilation can't work, and civic nationalism rests on the assumption that different peoples from different places can adopt the same beliefs and live in the same manners.

01:38:53.000 What I've attempted to do is show that through different outcomes, through different ways of living, assimilation is not possible.

01:38:58.000 And therefore, people would have to live amongst each other with a great amount of difference that can't be abrogated by simply adopting the same culture.

01:39:05.000 I've made that argument factually with historical examples that you might disagree with, but with historical examples, with some data on the question.

01:39:14.000 And you come at me, your response to this is to essentially call me a racist, is to essentially call me a white supremacist, is to say, to brag about how.

01:39:24.000 Wait, wait, wait, how you're. 0.96

01:39:26.000 I sat through your drivel to say how you're more employable than me, and you just blame Jews on the internet and your idea.

01:39:33.000 And it is just, I think it has to be called out for what it is, which is it's floundering because you cannot look at the overwhelming body of evidence historically, in terms of statistics, in terms of the record in this country, and say that civic nationalism is anything but a hope.

01:39:50.000 And we can go back, and you say you want to go back to the original argument, which is civic nationalism versus ethnic nationalism. 0.65

01:39:56.000 And you say, even if I take your premise for true, Well, it still wouldn't matter because of Latin Americans. 0.96

01:40:01.000 Well, let's take my premise for true. 1.00

01:40:03.000 Let's say that there are real biological differences between the races. 0.58

01:40:07.000 Let's say if we look at the IQ data, the SAT scores, the ACT scores, we look at the history with all these different countries living together and peoples living together.

01:40:15.000 And let's say there are real differences between racial groups.

01:40:18.000 Do you believe that real different peoples, real different tribes that have biological differences, do you think that these people with different values that have evolved over time, different strategies that have evolved over time, Do you think that they can all live together in the same polity, sharing the same resources and the same government, even though the record of every country in the world today, the record of every country in the world in history, and the record of this country in particular stands against you?

01:40:44.000 Do you honestly believe that if you take this premise?

01:40:48.000 Yeah, you kind of just went on a huge little diatribe there, and I'll just respond to pretty much everything you kind of just said.

01:40:55.000 So you say that you have overwhelmingly won this debate because I operate in a fantasy world where I say civic nationalism is a good thing.

01:41:02.000 Okay.

01:41:03.000 Yeah, you said I called you a racist and whatever you said, a white supremacist.

01:41:07.000 I've never used any of those terminologies.

01:41:09.000 That's just an instance of you trying to categorize me to a leftist, which, by the way, is something that I have proven overwhelmingly that you are.

01:41:17.000 So I have proven overwhelmingly that civic nationalism is, in fact, more possible and more realistic than ethnic nationalism ever would be.

01:41:26.000 Proof of that is the fact that America currently lives under a civic nationalist framework, not an ethnic nationalist.

01:41:32.000 Framework.

01:41:33.000 Sure, there may be problems on the horizon, but I have argued and proved that those problems are not because of civic nationalism.

01:41:40.000 In fact, stopping mass immigration and stopping those who don't want to assimilate from coming into our country is exactly what civic nationalists like myself believe. 0.57

01:41:48.000 Additionally, in addition to proving that civic nationalism is already the framework used by America now, I've also proven that ethnic nationalism were responsible for wars.

01:41:58.000 I highlighted World War I. Are you reading off the script there?

01:42:02.000 Yeah.

01:42:03.000 I'm listening to him.

01:42:04.000 I'm flowing, which is called writing down what he says, and I'm writing down direct arguments.

01:42:10.000 Some people in the chat are saying that you're reading off a script, and then they also.

01:42:13.000 It's not a script, it's things I've written down myself with my own videos.

01:42:17.000 And then also, sometimes I'm new when Nick's talking because people are asking, do you have like a printer in your room or what is that?

01:42:26.000 I do.

01:42:27.000 Do you hear like a little background noise?

01:42:27.000 I'm in an office.

01:42:29.000 It's this little, yeah, it's technically a little server thing.

01:42:33.000 Okay, go ahead.

01:42:33.000 It's the entire thing.

01:42:35.000 Go ahead. 0.99

01:42:36.000 But if I can continue, I've proven that ethnic nationalism is more prone to violence. 0.98

01:42:41.000 I've highlighted World War I and World War II as examples of this. 0.83

01:42:45.000 Nick said, no, those wars were caused because you didn't give ethnic nationalists what they want.

01:42:50.000 But I've proven to you, if the geopolitical system already exists and you're just pissed because someone who is German is ruling over someone who is an ethnic Slav, that is an instance of you using ethnic nationalism as a violent ideology to cause a world war.

01:43:04.000 That's not just, that's not saying you should have given the ethnic nationalists their way. 0.83

01:43:08.000 It literally proved that ethnic nationalists ultimately result into violence. 0.94

01:43:11.000 So I've proven that it's a violent ideology. 0.98

01:43:14.000 I've also proven it's impossible to implement.

01:43:17.000 Nick outlined three reasons and areas where we can implement. 0.90

01:43:20.000 Ethnic nationalism. 1.00

01:43:21.000 He said we stopped mass migration, something I agree should happen. 0.87

01:43:24.000 But then he started talking about things such as advocating for incentives in the birth rate for, I guess, white Europeans, and I guess a scenario where African Americans or Latinos would essentially have to leave. 0.85

01:43:36.000 That literally causes all out violence.

01:43:38.000 That literally violates the Constitution.

01:43:40.000 Those kind of constitutional amendments would literally cause a civil war.

01:43:44.000 This is what happens when you use internet kind of themes like white nationalism and try to use them in a practical, analytical sense.

01:43:52.000 It just doesn't work.

01:43:54.000 Ethnic nationalism is also theoretically impossible.

01:43:57.000 I literally use the example of Nick Fuentes himself, who is most likely not white.

01:44:02.000 He is Spanish. 0.99

01:44:03.000 His last name is Fuentes, which means his dad is last name with some kind of Spanish shit. 0.98

01:44:07.000 So, literally, the person advocating for ethnic nationalism would be advocating for a system in which they would be displaced themselves. 0.99

01:44:15.000 This proves that this is literally an instance of hypothetical bullshit jerking off on the internet and not something that works. 0.97

01:44:21.000 And remember, all this stuff has a mutual trade off. 0.98

01:44:24.000 Either you're advocating for ethnic nationalism and you're creating a Quintess, or you're trying to unite everyone under America. 0.64

01:44:31.000 Explain to the illegals, explain to the migrants and the refugees, you're coming to America. 0.84

01:44:36.000 The reason you want to come to America is because we're so sick. 0.98

01:44:39.000 So adopt our mindset.

01:44:41.000 I just think that's a better mindset.

01:44:42.000 And my mindset is far more realistic than all the stuff that Nick Quintess is trying to propagate here.

01:44:47.000 And that's just simply put, 100%.

01:44:49.000 I love RC.

01:44:51.000 You know, it's funny.

01:44:52.000 You must have watched Will Chamberlain's debate with me.

01:44:55.000 And you saw, or maybe you just don't know any better.

01:44:58.000 You must have seen his collegiate debate style and thought, that worked.

01:45:02.000 That worked really well.

01:45:03.000 That was supremely effective.

01:45:04.000 And unfortunately, it wasn't.

01:45:06.000 I think for anybody that's been paying attention to what's been said, it's quite clear that not only have you straw manned me the entire time, but you've refused to engage with, dispute, or address any of the points that I've raised.

01:45:19.000 The failure of Blacks or Hispanics to assimilate, the failure of any multicultural, multiethnic, Civic nationalist polity to thrive in world history or even today?

01:45:29.000 And you dance around this, and your central contention isn't even about civic nationalism.

01:45:33.000 It's just kind of this very flaccid, very weak call to action, which is to attempt to discredit ethnic nationalism by saying, ah, this is just an ideology on the internet, and I'm trying to unite the people, and he's trying to divide the people.

01:45:48.000 So it's just really stunning how you take, you know, and look, I've cited books on books on books on this subject about American identity, about the difference between groups.

01:46:00.000 About the decline of community as a result of heterogeneous compounds.

01:46:03.000 I've cited presidents.

01:46:04.000 I mean, you came out here guns a blazing saying ethnic nationalism caused the world wars.

01:46:09.000 And I told you that if countries subscribed to ethnic nationalism, the triggers for those wars wouldn't have existed.

01:46:15.000 You said that ethnic nationalism was un American.

01:46:18.000 And I gave you quotes. 0.83

01:46:19.000 I could give you 50 quotes from presidents who've affirmed my position.

01:46:22.000 I could show you immigration laws.

01:46:24.000 I could show you Federalist papers, which called for the Constitution to be ratified.

01:46:28.000 I mean, your argument rests on the fact that the consequences of ethnic nationalism being true would be difficult and uncomfortable.

01:46:35.000 Your argument is essentially an argument about how we would impose the different systems, but not about the actual systems in and of themselves.

01:46:43.000 You haven't disputed ethnic nationalism.

01:46:45.000 You've pointed out that the road to affirming civic nationalism is very difficult and the road to ethnic nationalism could get violent. 0.91

01:46:54.000 And I don't think anybody disputes either of those things.

01:46:57.000 But the central tenets, the central foundational truths, you ignore and you haven't addressed.

01:47:03.000 And everybody knows that.

01:47:04.000 Everybody's seen that. 0.93

01:47:05.000 You see that you will change the ideology that you promote is a pile of sand and you people are frauds.

01:47:13.000 But go ahead.

01:47:14.000 Sure.

01:47:14.000 I mean, you continue to say the word American identity.

01:47:17.000 And when you say American identity and you posit that the American identity is good, you know what you're doing, Nick.

01:47:22.000 You're subscribing to civic nationalism.

01:47:24.000 You might not be able to get that through your sixth goal, and you can continue to criticize my, you know, and you say that, you know, I guess we're debating like college debaters.

01:47:33.000 Yes, Nick, we did this pretty much professionally, getting paid thousands of dollars to travel around colleges and engage them in dialogue.

01:47:42.000 We are engaging in dialogue the correct way.

01:47:46.000 You continue to say that we're not, but this is how debates function.

01:47:49.000 We have framing.

01:47:50.000 We have criteria and burdens of proof.

01:47:53.000 You haven't met your burden at all.

01:47:55.000 In fact, you've only pigeonholed yourself and you pretty much admitted, yes, ethnic nationalism as a practical instantiation is impossible.

01:48:03.000 You pretty much admitted, ethnic nationalism as a practical instantiation is impossible.

01:48:09.000 And that's literally what the debate is.

01:48:11.000 What do we want our people to do?

01:48:12.000 You're debating about the debate now.

01:48:14.000 What is woke?

01:48:15.000 You're debating about these things.

01:48:16.000 Taking the ethnic nationalist pill or taking the civic nationalist pill? 1.00

01:48:19.000 Because if you're taking the ethnic nationalist pill, You're pretty much just a bullshit leftist. 1.00

01:48:23.000 And also, let me continue. 1.00

01:48:24.000 You said that I could not prove that blacks did it. 0.94

01:48:29.000 I proved otherwise. 0.98

01:48:31.000 Yeah, I mentioned how after World War I, African Americans were told to go in to take these factory jobs that they didn't want to give to European migrants. 1.00

01:48:39.000 And that proved positive. 1.00

01:48:40.000 That's called literally the Great Migration of 1 million African Americans from the South, migrating from the South to the North in order to take these jobs. 1.00

01:48:49.000 That was an instance of a simulation.

01:48:51.000 And what happened when the Marcus Garveys and the Malcolm X's tried to preach separatism?

01:48:55.000 They lost to Martin Luther King and to the Rosa Parks who preached civic nationalism. 0.66

01:49:01.000 This works. 0.53

01:49:02.000 It has been working.

01:49:03.000 There are Latinos who have legally migrated to the United States that are just as American as you and I because they have adopted, they have assimilated.

01:49:12.000 And you also say, well, I proved that ethnic nationalism isn't un American because here are some quotes from presidents showing concerns with the ability for Negroes to assimilate.

01:49:22.000 And I say, yes, those presidents may have had those concerns as a lot of people did, as black scholars had concerns.

01:49:28.000 About whether or not African Americans can engage civilly in quote unquote white society.

01:49:33.000 And the answer is what? 0.99

01:49:34.000 The answer is proven that they can. 1.00

01:49:36.000 Like, whether you like it or not, blacks have a simulated thing. 1.00

01:49:40.000 I don't know what this argument is. 0.94

01:49:43.000 And the fact that you continue to make the debate about proven instance of a black settlement that is like successful shows where your mind is and your inability to understand that in order to win this debate, that is literally not a consequence.

01:49:57.000 That literally has nothing to do with the debate.

01:49:59.000 My guy.

01:50:01.000 My guy.

01:50:02.000 Blacks went more than 95% for Barack Obama, not once but twice. 0.73

01:50:08.000 I mean, there's just, there's simply no counter to that. 0.69

01:50:11.000 There is simply no counter to the fact that in two separate elections, blacks went more than 95% for the person that looks like them.

01:50:20.000 RC, they've been here for 400 years. 0.91

01:50:23.000 When's the assimilation going to happen? 0.92

01:50:24.000 How long do we have to wait for them to go 40 for one and 60 for the other, 50 for one?

01:50:30.000 These are dictator margins.

01:50:32.000 Saddam Hussein doesn't win 97% of the vote.

01:50:35.000 Joseph Stalin doesn't win 97% of the vote. 0.82

01:50:37.000 And yet, you make the case that, oh, well, because blacks move from the South, To the north. 0.95

01:50:44.000 And even though they went up there and, and, you know, people flew out of Detroit, they flew out of Detroit and they destroyed what was there. 0.84

01:50:51.000 Well, that's somehow assimilation. 0.75

01:50:52.000 And you use an example from a time when white immigration was increasing the proportion of whites in the country against the general population. 0.70

01:50:59.000 So these, you can, and you have the same collection of talking points and you can pretend you're not hearing my arguments and you can straw man me. 0.85

01:51:07.000 You could say, Oh, well, it's actually this or it's actually that.

01:51:09.000 And you could just repeat what you're saying.

01:51:11.000 But the people that are watching this are furious because we see with our own eyes every day.

01:51:16.000 And we see in history and we see in the facts, there are real differences.

01:51:19.000 There are real cleavages.

01:51:21.000 The people that are watching, the people.

01:51:21.000 No, no, no.

01:51:23.000 The real fault lines, I let you finish between people, and these are not going to be reconciled by this flag toting flag.

01:51:30.000 We're all just in this, we just have to work hard enough. 0.94

01:51:33.000 If we just, hey, if we just make enough community centers, then these Somalis who, you know, maybe five years ago they were cutting each other's heads off in Somalia in the name of Allah and they were in clan warfare. 0.98

01:51:44.000 Well, in a generation, if we give them enough, John Locke and Voltaire. 1.00

01:51:49.000 They'll be as American as Alexander Hamilton.

01:51:51.000 And we could take these people from MS 13 in El Salvador that are rolling people's heads down the pyramid steps and they're burning people alive. 0.93

01:51:58.000 Well, hey, you know, if we just get them into the Heritage Foundation's Constitution class, well, they'll just be as American as the Anglo Americans that settled on Plymouth Rock. 0.99

01:52:09.000 It's bullshit. 0.98

01:52:11.000 You talk about stuff that can exist on the internet. 1.00

01:52:14.000 This is stuff.

01:52:14.000 And look, and look, you know, people can disagree with me, people can say I'm wrong or.

01:52:20.000 My head is in a racist place.

01:52:22.000 Say whatever you want, but what's coming is coming. 0.98

01:52:24.000 Inevitably, there will be an ethnic conflict in this country.

01:52:27.000 There will be racial conflict in this country.

01:52:29.000 And the question becomes how are we going to weather that?

01:52:32.000 Will we weather that with a peaceful settlement, or will we, in pursuit of this lofty, liberal, progressive vision of everyone, you know, John Lennon's Imagine Song, living together hand in hand, destroy the very foundations of what gave us our wealth and our freedom in the first place?

01:52:49.000 And, but go ahead and tell me how.

01:52:52.000 You know, it looks like you're losing steam on your grandstanding that at that black substance. 0.92

01:53:00.000 Did I mean my burden on that one? 0.98

01:53:02.000 Am I flowing well?

01:53:04.000 Almost, almost.

01:53:05.000 This is the reason why you wouldn't have been a great college debater, Nick, because you continue to miss lines of argumentation and say that I've been non responsive to claims that I have directly responded to and answered with Warren.

01:53:17.000 So you continue to say 95% voted for Obama.

01:53:21.000 Nick, that has nothing to do with the simulation.

01:53:23.000 I don't think you know what this is.

01:53:25.000 Let me continue.

01:53:25.000 Of course it does.

01:53:26.000 Let me continue.

01:53:27.000 Don't interrupt me here.

01:53:28.000 Go right ahead.

01:53:30.000 Assimilation is all about cultures coming into different cultures and kind of like, you know, uniting under a system of like beliefs, values, ethics, and so on and so forth.

01:53:41.000 So when Americans, when black Americans go to the poll and they vote for people who are registered under Democrat, under Barack Obama, that's not an act of breaking a simulation.

01:53:52.000 They're literally participating in the American democratic system.

01:53:55.000 So I think you're obviously.

01:53:57.000 You're very upset with Obama getting elected.

01:53:59.000 I was as well.

01:54:00.000 That has nothing to do with this debate.

01:54:02.000 You keep bringing it up, but try to focus for one second.

01:54:04.000 I know you didn't go to college.

01:54:05.000 I know you didn't finish college, but please try to focus for one second.

01:54:10.000 Next.

01:54:12.000 Oh, come on, man.

01:54:13.000 You show up on the top.

01:54:17.000 That was a CP move, and maybe that's why we can't exist on the same time plane, but at least we can exist in civil society together. 0.59

01:54:24.000 But you said that white people flew out of Detroit.

01:54:26.000 Once again, not really responsive to the debate, and also, I've proved you wrong.

01:54:31.000 I showed you why that happened.

01:54:33.000 You had hundreds of thousands of jobs in the automobile sector.

01:54:37.000 Went to the suburbs of Michigan. 0.99

01:54:39.000 That's when white flight first started. 0.78

01:54:41.000 And then Detroit was thus a city that had debt because it couldn't sustain itself based upon the amount of jobs that were there. 0.71

01:54:48.000 It wasn't white flight, it was economic opportunity. 0.65

01:54:50.000 Nick, try to do a little bit of research next time you come to a debate with someone a lot smarter than you are. 0.53

01:54:56.000 Next thing is, you also said that I've also proved that these racial fault lines are the reasons that drive conflict.

01:55:05.000 And I've shown you no, when you start advocating for ethnic ideological.

01:55:10.000 Kind of philosophies, that's when conflict happened in World War I and II.

01:55:14.000 But furthermore, right now, Civil War is literally an example of how you can literally be along the same ethnic ties.

01:55:22.000 There's no conflict.

01:55:23.000 This is my Hillman evidence that I mentioned earlier that said that inevitably people are going to create conflict based upon different faith, different ethnicity, different culture, different anything.

01:55:35.000 That's the whole argument.

01:55:38.000 That's the whole argument.

01:55:40.000 No.

01:55:41.000 That's the whole thing you just conceded it.

01:55:43.000 That's my analysis that I started this debate with saying that there are multiple different things that cause this conflict, and ethnicity is not that.

01:55:51.000 And civil war is literally don't make him get the knife out.

01:55:55.000 In the civil war, you had whites in the north versus whites in the south, and whites in the blacks in the south versus blacks in the north because they were fighting over ideologies, they were fighting over states' rights, they were fighting under political concepts that they weren't unified under.

01:56:10.000 And if they were actually civic nationalists and if they were adopting a kind of symbolism under a singular political creed.

01:56:15.000 That war wouldn't have happened.

01:56:17.000 So, that literally is proof that you may say that a huge racial conflict is coming.

01:56:23.000 That's not what's coming.

01:56:24.000 A huge conflict is coming.

01:56:25.000 It's coming between the people who are Americans versus the people who are globalists.

01:56:29.000 It's coming between the people who are communists versus the people who are capitalists.

01:56:33.000 It's going to happen right here in America, but it's not a race war, Nick.

01:56:36.000 It's going to be a war that is much bigger than that. 1.00

01:56:40.000 And we're likely going to be on the same side unless you maybe form a little counter group of, I guess, just the People who are Spanish and identify as cunning. 0.99

01:56:48.000 There it is right now. 1.00

01:56:50.000 I'm sorry.

01:56:52.000 But yeah.

01:56:53.000 Right?

01:56:53.000 Tell me this conflict that's coming isn't going to be a conflict between Americans versus globalists and Americans versus illegals and Americans versus commies.

01:57:04.000 Who are the commies? 0.56

01:57:06.000 Who are the globalists?

01:57:08.000 Who knows?

01:57:09.000 Who knows who the communists are?

01:57:10.000 Who knows?

01:57:11.000 Unless you go so far right that you're essentially left.

01:57:14.000 But, oh, then there's the horseshoe theory.

01:57:17.000 You know, look.

01:57:19.000 Where do we even begin?

01:57:20.000 I mean, it's just, I wonder what the reaction is online because the amount of evasion here.

01:57:25.000 I mean, let's just get right into it where you say that black voting 97% for Barack Obama does not disprove assimilation. 0.71

01:57:35.000 That you say, well, they're participating in the democratic process, but they're not participating in the democratic process the way that anybody else does. 0.50

01:57:42.000 You know, if you look at white Americans, white Americans, I don't think ever have voted 97% for one candidate. 0.99

01:57:50.000 And the reason being is because it's never going to get a black candidate, dipshit. 1.00

01:57:54.000 What's that? 1.00

01:57:56.000 If a white guy was running against a black guy in the 1950s, what would those margins have looked like, dipshit? 1.00

01:58:01.000 Use your brain. 1.00

01:58:02.000 Use your brain, Winston.

01:58:03.000 People would have voted along ethnic lines.

01:58:06.000 That's interesting.

01:58:08.000 So people voted.

01:58:09.000 Well, actually, I mean, you could look at when a black person did run for president, right?

01:58:15.000 And what were the margins on that for whites?

01:58:16.000 I don't think it was 97 against, was it?

01:58:18.000 Unless I'm wrong.

01:58:19.000 Unless I'm wrong and whites voted 97% against Barack Obama, big fella.

01:58:23.000 Is that. 0.77

01:58:24.000 You just said whites would vote for. 0.66

01:58:27.000 But in the 1950s, that would have happened.

01:58:32.000 Because you have to understand, you don't look at outlying factors.

01:58:36.000 You don't look at the fact that this was a black person running for the first time as the nominee.

01:58:41.000 So, this is literally the first example.

01:58:44.000 Tell me what would happen if I ran as a Republican president and how many black votes I'd get.

01:58:52.000 I don't know how many. 1.00

01:58:53.000 Use your brain.

01:58:54.000 I wouldn't get another one. 1.00

01:58:56.000 Hillary Clinton got 91%. 1.00

01:58:57.000 Hillary Clinton got 95%.

01:58:59.000 I'll tell you that.

01:59:01.000 Hey, look, I imagine if you ran as a Republican, I'm sure, I am sure of it, you would get over 85% of the black vote. 1.00

01:59:10.000 No fucking way. 1.00

01:59:11.000 No way. 1.00

01:59:12.000 If you ran against a white guy, and look, we're debating hypotheticals.

01:59:15.000 We don't have to.

01:59:16.000 The time that that happened, black people not once but twice voted more than 95% for somebody who was their same ethnic group, for somebody who looked like them.

01:59:26.000 That's not assimilation, my friend. 1.00

01:59:28.000 That's Kenya shit. 1.00

01:59:29.000 That's stuff that happens. 1.00

01:59:30.000 Did he go?

01:59:32.000 I think we might have lost him.

01:59:36.000 Oh, no.

01:59:37.000 He's back.

01:59:39.000 No, can you hear us, RC?

01:59:41.000 I'm back.

01:59:44.000 Sorry.

01:59:44.000 Wait, hold up.

01:59:45.000 Hold up.

01:59:46.000 We can't really hear you.

01:59:51.000 Oh, RC.

01:59:53.000 Try to reconnect real quick.

01:59:55.000 We can't really hear you.

01:59:56.000 But while you're setting that up, I'm going to mute you real quick.

02:00:01.000 Yeah, no, I was going to point out, and this is just my opinion, I don't want to get too in the middle of this, but I did.

02:00:11.000 I think there's a little echoing from you too, Nick.

02:00:15.000 Yeah, I did.

02:00:16.000 Yeah, I'm going to mute you.

02:00:18.000 Sorry.

02:00:19.000 Okay. 0.89

02:00:22.000 I was upset when I saw the number of non whites that voted for the Democrat, Doug Jones, in the Roy Moore case. 0.57

02:00:31.000 And I know that's not the presidential election, but I believe it was 98% of black women that voted for Doug Jones, the Democrat. 0.63

02:00:41.000 So.

02:00:43.000 You know, when it's like 60%, whatever, you know, you could say, okay, whatever.

02:00:48.000 But when you're getting up to 98%, I just find that, I mean, people are obviously voting as an ethnic group in certain ways, at least in the case of Doug Jones.

02:01:00.000 So I guess my question for RC would be like, do you recognize that there is a problem in the black community with voting Democrat? 0.51

02:01:12.000 Like, because I personally, in my opinion, Seem to see some of those correlations.

02:01:23.000 Can't hear you.

02:01:24.000 You're really, really quiet, really quiet.

02:01:27.000 We can barely hear you.

02:01:29.000 Check here.

02:01:30.000 Check on the screen.

02:01:32.000 There's a gear that says settings, and then you can choose which mic you're using.

02:01:39.000 So see if you can choose a different mic.

02:01:41.000 Sorry about this, guys.

02:01:45.000 Yeah, so click the little settings button, and then there's like a.

02:01:50.000 Which video you use, and then there's like a microphone icon, and see if you're able to like choose a different mic on there.

02:01:59.000 Yeah, so this mic, not clear.

02:02:03.000 Oh, that's a little better if you speak up to that.

02:02:06.000 Is that fine?

02:02:06.000 Speak like this?

02:02:08.000 Yeah, just speak a little louder.

02:02:10.000 Okay.

02:02:11.000 Go ahead.

02:02:12.000 I agree. 1.00

02:02:13.000 There is a huge problem with the way the monolithic black voter is engaging in voting. 0.99

02:02:18.000 And I think this is more the problem to identify than non assimilation. 0.96

02:02:23.000 A bunch of blacks voting for Obama doesn't show something with assimilation, it shows that it was a timely choice of candidate for the Democrats. 0.92

02:02:30.000 To pick for them to pick a black person, timely that they made him a perfect puppet robot of a candidate to run. 0.87

02:02:37.000 And additionally, it shows that monolithically, blacks are voting in unison for Democrats. 0.88

02:02:43.000 That's why blacks voted in unison for Doug Jones, and he wasn't black. 0.67

02:02:48.000 And you still see those figures. 0.58

02:02:50.000 That's because, like I've been trying to explain to you, Nick, this is bigger than race.

02:02:54.000 This is why I say the big conflict that is going to happen is going to happen not among racial lines, but it's going to happen amongst political lines.

02:03:02.000 Oh, that's interesting.

02:03:04.000 That's interesting because if we divided it among political lines, if we just did it by the demographics for the last special election, it would be 97% black against, however, you know, it would be all the blacks essentially versus whites and some blacks.

02:03:19.000 So you're right, it wouldn't be a racial war. 0.80

02:03:21.000 It would just be an ideological war in which all the blacks are firmly on one side, right? 0.76

02:03:26.000 Because if, of course, if they're not just voting for a black guy by 97%, they're voting for a Democrat by 98%. 0.90

02:03:33.000 And that disputes the fact that they act as a corporate entity, right?

02:03:36.000 That disputes the fact that they act.

02:03:38.000 Not as individual Americans, but as a corporate nation.

02:03:43.000 Why do they vote for Democrats, RC?

02:03:45.000 Because there's been years, decades of commissioning for them to think that Democrats look out for them.

02:03:53.000 This is why, in predominantly white Democrats, who's them?

02:03:56.000 We're all Americans.

02:03:56.000 Who's them?

02:03:58.000 We're all Americans, RC.

02:03:59.000 We're all Americans, don't you see?

02:04:04.000 You're confused, Fuentes.

02:04:05.000 You're confused.

02:04:06.000 My argument isn't that all blacks subscribe to civic nationalism. 0.60

02:04:09.000 That's not my argument.

02:04:10.000 My argument isn't that all whites subscribe to My argument has been that civic nationalism is more prevalent, positive ideology than ethnic nationalism.

02:04:18.000 That's what this debate is entirely about.

02:04:20.000 So it's about what's more prevalent?

02:04:22.000 What's more, no, what's more legitimate?

02:04:24.000 What's more theoretically legitimate through an infinite amount of.

02:04:27.000 Theoretically legitimate?

02:04:29.000 If it was about theoretics, I mean, it should be about practicality.

02:04:33.000 It should be about practicality, right?

02:04:36.000 This is my original point.

02:04:36.000 Yes.

02:04:38.000 That it should be a theoretical world.

02:04:39.000 All right.

02:04:40.000 So, I mean, I mean, Time has absolutely flew by here.

02:04:44.000 We have just hit the two hour mark.

02:04:46.000 So we might need a part two of this.

02:04:51.000 I don't know.

02:04:51.000 How about we do this next time?

02:04:52.000 I don't think Paul Nealon is a legitimate candidate because I think he's not.

02:04:57.000 And I know Nick is running that campaign.

02:04:59.000 I'd love to talk about Paul Nealon's candidate.

02:05:02.000 Oh, not after what came out recently.

02:05:03.000 That was pretty devastating.

02:05:07.000 You think Paul Nealon did.

02:05:09.000 What came out?

02:05:11.000 The spokesperson.

02:05:12.000 The spokesperson who.

02:05:14.000 Was unearthed by the Huffington Post.

02:05:16.000 You hear about that?

02:05:17.000 I didn't really know.

02:05:18.000 Can you explain it? 0.99

02:05:19.000 Well, yeah, it turned out that Paul Nealon's spokesperson, Ebola America, was actually a homosexual, degenerate Jew who was on meth and had all these mental issues. 0.98

02:05:34.000 And, you know, of course, there's nothing wrong with the fact that he's Jewish. 0.98

02:05:37.000 Nothing wrong with that.

02:05:38.000 But simply the fact that the kind of campaign that Paul Nealon ran and then his spokesperson was that.

02:05:44.000 I mean, obviously, it You know, that stinks.

02:05:47.000 Well, yeah, you don't want somebody who's unhinged running like a professional campaign.

02:05:52.000 That's weird.

02:05:52.000 And that too, yeah.

02:05:53.000 But I love Paul Nealance, though.

02:05:53.000 That's weird.

02:05:55.000 Me, too.

02:05:56.000 I like the guy, but that was really tough.

02:05:59.000 Yeah, I'll have to look into that.

02:06:00.000 Anyways, this has gone for like two hours.

02:06:02.000 This has been completely insane and amazing and interesting.

02:06:07.000 But we could go on forever.

02:06:10.000 I would like RC to go ahead and give your closing statement.

02:06:16.000 And then we'll have Nick give his.

02:06:19.000 And then I'll pound through the super chats.

02:06:21.000 And thank you, everyone, again for being a part of this.

02:06:23.000 I think this was monumental and very legendary.

02:06:30.000 Well, if I'll just end with an ending statement, it'll be this. 0.86

02:06:34.000 I've proven overwhelmingly that ethnic nationalism cannot be practically instituted in the United States without literally causing a host of problems, genocide, and so on and so forth.

02:06:47.000 Nick's answer is sure, even though that may happen, that's really not the crux of the debate because we're talking about what's right.

02:06:55.000 I've explained time and time again the only way to explain what is right is to look through history.

02:07:00.000 And to look through a practical implementation of X ideology or concepts. 0.54

02:07:05.000 Historically, ethnic nationalism caused World War I because the ethnic Slavs couldn't stand the fact that France Ferdinand was ruling over.

02:07:16.000 Sorry, you're echoing really, really bad.

02:07:19.000 Yeah, let me try with this.

02:07:22.000 Right, so it's pretty much simple.

02:07:24.000 Can you hear me now?

02:07:25.000 Oh, that's pretty much.

02:07:25.000 Okay, hello?

02:07:27.000 Yeah, much better, much better.

02:07:28.000 All right, go ahead.

02:07:29.000 It's pretty much simple.

02:07:30.000 Nick Fuentes is going to go ahead and do his grandstanding like he won a debate without, number one, Disproving that ethnic nationalism didn't cause a host of world civil conflicts. 0.60

02:07:39.000 His only argument was, you should have given ethnic nationalists our way. 0.73

02:07:43.000 And if you've given us our way, things would have been fine.

02:07:45.000 But that ignores the fact that social acceleration has made it to the point where geopolitical lines have been drawn, and they're not drawn along ethnic lines.

02:07:54.000 So the thing is simple do you continue to advocate for ethnic nationalism, which is improbable, impractical, and literally only results in never ending wars and genocide?

02:08:05.000 Or are you going to utilize what the United States used that's continued to work, which is civic nationalism, concepts that all of us can unite under a singular political creed, and that would be able to ameliorate some of the kinds of violence that we see today? 0.90

02:08:19.000 I've proven that some of the problems we're seeing in America is because Latinos are refusing, illegal Latinos, excuse me, are refusing to assimilate because they're coming over and they're not having that kind of source of kinship that people that legally migrate over here get when they take their citizenship test and so on and so forth. 0.73

02:08:38.000 So, I've continued to prove time and time again that civic nationalism is literally the way. 0.85

02:08:43.000 And Nick pigeonholed himself into a situation where he didn't argue we're full of ethnic nationalism.

02:08:49.000 All of his little alt right buddies who are watching his stream, you guys are going to obviously tell Nick how he cut that because he didn't advocate for full pledge ethnic nationalism. 0.60

02:08:57.000 In fact, what he kind of watered himself down to is yeah, the United States will be fine if we just stop migration. 0.87

02:09:04.000 I agree. 0.81

02:09:05.000 I'm a civic nationalist.

02:09:06.000 I'm very conservative on immigration. 1.00

02:09:08.000 I believe we should also stop. 0.92

02:09:10.000 Migration, chain migration, and all this illegal immigration happening in the United States.

02:09:15.000 And the reason I believe that is because it'll create more of a sense of Americanism.

02:09:19.000 It'll unite people under a singular kind of American way of life, which I think is just way more positive than ethnic nationalism.

02:09:26.000 And lastly, I've also proven, which Nick has failed to argue, that ethnic nationalism is impossible because of social acceleration.

02:09:34.000 Everyone has diluted their gene pool to the point where people with the last name Fuentes are literally advocating for themselves to revert back to the system where he himself. 0.91

02:09:43.000 Would get shipped to Wakanda alongside RC9.

02:09:48.000 Wow. 0.95

02:09:49.000 Your turn.

02:09:50.000 What a statement.

02:09:51.000 Yeah, let's see.

02:09:52.000 Well, I'd like to start with how the founding fathers saw the United States.

02:09:58.000 We'll start with Federalist number two by John Jay.

02:10:03.000 And I hope RC will allow me the whole time.

02:10:06.000 I hope he'll refrain from interrupting if he's capable.

02:10:10.000 The warrior gene doesn't take over.

02:10:13.000 But we'll resume here.

02:10:14.000 John Jay, who said from the second Federalist It has often given me pleasure to observe that independent America was not composed of detached, And distant territories, but that one connected, fertile, wide spreading country was the portion of our Western Sons of Liberty.

02:10:32.000 Providence has, in a particular manner, blessed it with a variety of soils and productions and watered it with innumerable streams for the delight and accommodation of its inhabitants.

02:10:44.000 With equal pleasure, I have as often taken notice that Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people, a people descended from the same ancestors.

02:10:56.000 Speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs, and who, by their joint councils, arms, and efforts, fighting side by side throughout a long and bloody war, have nobly established general liberty and independence.

02:11:15.000 And there you have it.

02:11:16.000 I mean, that's John Jay, who wrote the Federalist Papers, which was the basis for justifying and passing the Constitution, for ratifying the Constitution.

02:11:23.000 And you could read a number of other books.

02:11:25.000 I think the record is clear from this debate, but.

02:11:27.000 Some good books, Bowling Alone, Robert Putnam, Who Are We, Sam Huntington, The Bell Curve, Charles Murray.

02:11:33.000 It lays out essentially the case, and that's just some further reading, but basically to suggest that throughout time and history, throughout the history of the world, throughout the history of this country, in the world today, there is not a single country that is multi ethnic, multi racial, or multi religious under a single polity that is safe, that is wealthy, that is prosperous, even in the history of this country.

02:11:58.000 And different people have come into the country.

02:12:00.000 The country has become more divided, more violent, less wealthy.

02:12:03.000 And we see this every day.

02:12:04.000 We see this with our own eyes.

02:12:07.000 And maybe it's a nicer idea.

02:12:09.000 Maybe it's a sweeter idea that we could all get along.

02:12:12.000 I know this is an idea that a lot of people long for.

02:12:14.000 And, you know, trust me, if it could be that way, and I wish that it was, that would be preferable here.

02:12:20.000 But the record of history is clear that societies that pursue this course, that societies that pursue this system, ended nothing but ruin. 0.98

02:12:28.000 And I'm not here to say ethnic nationalism is good or bad. 0.80

02:12:30.000 I'm not just here to say. 0.72

02:12:32.000 Well, here's my plan for how we achieve it, or here's why it's more practical, but simply that, like gravity, all things must come down.

02:12:39.000 This civic nationalist structure, as it is effectively existing now, cannot long endure. 0.94

02:12:44.000 When you have 150 million Hispanics by mid century that are speaking Spanish, professing their own religion, different manners and customs, I wonder how they'll fare with our country. 1.00

02:12:54.000 I wonder if we can have enough constitution classes to get them on the same page. 1.00

02:12:58.000 I don't think it'll happen.

02:12:59.000 Maybe RC does.

02:13:00.000 But that's the closing statement.

02:13:01.000 I think the debate was pretty straightforward.

02:13:05.000 Great.

02:13:06.000 All right.

02:13:07.000 Thank you so much, Nick and RC.

02:13:09.000 Both of you, I think, did a fantastic job, and it was great having you.

02:13:13.000 And I will see you guys soon.

02:13:15.000 I'm going to pound through these super chats here.

02:13:20.000 RC, are you saying something?

02:13:23.000 Sorry. 0.83

02:13:23.000 Yeah, I was just screaming about Wakanda. 0.83

02:13:26.000 Oh, you're screaming about Wakanda.

02:13:27.000 All right.

02:13:28.000 Wakanda forever. 0.80

02:13:29.000 Thanks for having me on, big.

02:13:30.000 Appreciate it.

02:13:30.000 Yeah, this is Nick.

02:13:31.000 I like debating you.

02:13:32.000 I think you're a smart kid.

02:13:33.000 Hopefully, I can convince you to drink the Constitution blood at some point, and maybe, you know.

02:13:39.000 You'll be a lot happier on the inside.

02:13:42.000 Yeah, well, thank you, Debate, for having me on.

02:13:44.000 And thanks, Star C.

02:13:45.000 It was a fun debate.

02:13:47.000 Try and show up on time next time.

02:13:49.000 It'll be a little bit funner.

02:13:51.000 All right.

02:13:52.000 Take it easy, folks.

02:13:52.000 Take care, guys.

02:13:53.000 Bye-bye.

02:13:55.000 All right.

02:13:55.000 So, all right.

02:13:57.000 That was a fun debate.

02:13:58.000 Monday night, Blood Sports.

02:14:00.000 I'm going to pound through these super chats.

02:14:01.000 Make sure to hit the like button, guys.

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02:14:08.000 And subscribe so you get more of the Blood Sports.

02:14:11.000 So, our next Blood Sports debate we have is Wednesday at 8 p.m. Eastern Time.

02:14:18.000 And this is going to be one of the craziest Baked Alaska shows ever.

02:14:23.000 We have Joe Biggs.

02:14:25.000 Versus Destiny on gun control.

02:14:28.000 And if you don't know Joe Biggs, he's formerly from InfoWars.

02:14:32.000 He is super hardcore on the Second Amendment.

02:14:35.000 He has tons of guns.

02:14:36.000 He's a big gun advocate.

02:14:38.000 And Destiny is very anti gun.

02:14:43.000 And Destiny is a big Twitch streamer, if you don't know.

02:14:45.000 So that's going to be an incredible matchup.

02:14:47.000 Wednesday, 8 p.m. Eastern.

02:14:48.000 So if you like these debates, if you like the Baked Alaska show, like I said, make sure to subscribe on YouTube and then hit that bell next to the subscription button and you get.

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02:15:08.000 But we are having a great 2018 on the Baked Alaska show, it's been fantastic.

02:15:13.000 So let's pound through these super chats.

02:15:16.000 I'll put these up on the screen here.

02:15:19.000 Where do we start?

02:15:21.000 What is today, February 19th?

02:15:23.000 So I will go through all of them.

02:15:26.000 Wow, we had a lot of super chats today.

02:15:28.000 Thank you guys.

02:15:31.000 Wow, wow, wow, wow.

02:15:33.000 We had a lot.

02:15:33.000 All right, cool.

02:15:34.000 So let's see.

02:15:37.000 I'm going to start here.

02:15:39.000 And I'm also going to put the live chat on the screen so you guys can see that as well.

02:15:45.000 All right.

02:15:49.000 So you guys can see the live chat on the screen.

02:15:49.000 Here we go.

02:15:53.000 All right, all right.

02:15:55.000 All right.

02:15:56.000 So here we go.

02:15:58.000 $2 from Moon Man.

02:15:59.000 Thank you.

02:16:00.000 No message.

02:16:01.000 $2 from Ari's the God of Mars.

02:16:03.000 Thank you.

02:16:04.000 1776 from Black Magic.

02:16:06.000 Every school shooter has come from a broken home.

02:16:09.000 Ban broken homes now.

02:16:11.000 Gunrunner, $2. 0.96

02:16:12.000 Nick broke Halsey.

02:16:13.000 Alec the Bunny, two pounds. 1.00

02:16:15.000 Press one if black people are gay. 0.99

02:16:18.000 $2 from Aiden, Black Standard Time. 1.00

02:16:20.000 Aries, the God of Mars.

02:16:21.000 Google Robert Christopher Maxwell, criminal past.

02:16:25.000 Tariq Nasheed, $5.

02:16:28.000 Is this Sargon's son?

02:16:30.000 Moonman, $2. 0.75

02:16:31.000 I will pay good money.

02:16:33.000 Hey, that's bad.

02:16:35.000 Ephraim's finest, $2. 0.99

02:16:38.000 Gay, this isn't high school debate club. 0.95

02:16:42.000 Moonman, $1. 0.98

02:16:43.000 No message.

02:16:44.000 Frederick White, $2. 0.77

02:16:46.000 The Wakandan is playing games.

02:16:49.000 Meme Berlay, too.

02:16:50.000 Thank you, buddy, with the $5. 0.70

02:16:52.000 When you call ethnic nationalists leftists, but also call them all literally genocidal Hitlerists like a leftist would. 0.81

02:17:00.000 Thank you, buddy. 0.88

02:17:01.000 Sulk Row with the $5.

02:17:03.000 Abstract ideologies, literally what everyone believed pre World War II.

02:17:09.000 Drake got $84 with the $2. 0.92

02:17:11.000 The Uyghurs. 1.00

02:17:12.000 Are a Turkic ethnic group, not Chinese. 0.99

02:17:17.000 Tinman1325 with the $10.

02:17:20.000 We're born with racial and group preferences, so being racist is part of who we are.

02:17:24.000 Civic nationalism is not natural and won't work out in the end.

02:17:28.000 Thanks, Ben.

02:17:29.000 Andrew with the $5.

02:17:30.000 Can I get some 1488s in the chat?

02:17:33.000 Third guy with the $5.

02:17:34.000 Bad optics RC.

02:17:36.000 Are you in a storage closet?

02:17:40.000 Ozzy with the $2. 0.99

02:17:41.000 Can the Constitution prevail without YT majority?

02:17:47.000 Josiah Magnon with the $5. 1.00

02:17:51.000 Why shouldn't we have a right to our own countries back after they stole them from us, dumped the third world in, and demonized us? 1.00

02:18:00.000 Thank you, man. 1.00

02:18:01.000 D. Warbucks with the $5. 0.86

02:18:04.000 Nick is white enough for my ethno state. 0.92

02:18:07.000 All right, buddy. 0.91

02:18:09.000 Weep for the culture with $5. 1.00

02:18:12.000 The Austrian Hungarian Empire proves Nick right using the antithesis of your argument, as your argument is dumb. 1.00

02:18:19.000 Thank you, man. 0.95

02:18:21.000 Cody Olsuch with the $5. 1.00

02:18:23.000 So basically, it's oh, sorry we destroyed the U.S. by importing third world populations into it, but you can't do anything because they're already here. 1.00

02:18:33.000 Thank you, Cody. 1.00

02:18:34.000 Striker Quiet with the $2. 1.00

02:18:36.000 Shit, you on that horseshoe, my nibba. 1.00

02:18:39.000 Thank you, Striker. 1.00

02:18:41.000 Crimson Smile with the $2. 1.00

02:18:43.000 Hey, Nog, go back to Dearborn, Michigan from the Muzz. 1.00

02:18:47.000 Not really sure what that means. 1.00

02:18:48.000 Thank you, buddy.

02:18:50.000 Josiah Magnon.

02:18:52.000 Nationalism is not a leftist thing, Keck.

02:18:54.000 It's about nation, people, blood.

02:18:55.000 The USA belongs to us because we conquered and created it.

02:18:59.000 Pro white with $2. 0.91

02:19:00.000 I'm Native American and I demand white majority. 0.95

02:19:03.000 Tan ST99.

02:19:06.000 Credalism is Marxist.

02:19:07.000 It does away with freedom of conscience.

02:19:09.000 Nations are always based on ethnicity. 1.00

02:19:11.000 Those words are synonyms.

02:19:14.000 Gunrunner $2.

02:19:15.000 Nick is over $9,000.

02:19:17.000 Striker Quiet.

02:19:18.000 They are superior, brah. 1.00

02:19:20.000 The only places worth a dam in China were built by Anglos. 1.00

02:19:24.000 Josh Hill with the $20. 1.00

02:19:25.000 Thank you, buddy.

02:19:26.000 This debate is epic.

02:19:28.000 This, that, and the other for the $10. 0.98

02:19:31.000 Ask Robert if he needs a wheelbarrow after the debate to carry his gigantic balls for coming on. 0.93

02:19:37.000 He's not doing bad either. 0.91

02:19:39.000 Thank you, buddy.

02:19:40.000 And I think Robert, I think he's referring to RC.

02:19:43.000 I do think RC did a good job.

02:19:44.000 And I think Nick did a really good job as well.

02:19:47.000 Jake Cox with the $10. 1.00

02:19:49.000 Either way, don't be a cuck and let your country be fucked by illegal aliens as you sit and watch. 1.00

02:19:54.000 Thank you, Jake. 1.00

02:19:55.000 Last Frontier with the $5.

02:19:56.000 Is RC related to Bubba Shrimp?

02:20:00.000 I don't know.

02:20:00.000 You have to ask RC.

02:20:03.000 Herp Derp, 1776, with the $5.

02:20:06.000 How old was Nick when he learned English?

02:20:10.000 I think Nick was.

02:20:12.000 I think English is his first language, as far as I know.

02:20:15.000 I'll have to ask him about that later. 0.95

02:20:18.000 Evelyn with the $2. 1.00

02:20:19.000 Is the Los Angeles diverse hellhole RC's ideal? 1.00

02:20:24.000 Taton with the $20. 1.00

02:20:25.000 Hey, thank you, buddy.

02:20:26.000 If you still buy the historical narrative about World War II, you must watch the informative documentary, The Greatest Story Never Told, Break the Conditioning, TruthWillOut.tv.

02:20:35.000 Thanks, man.

02:20:37.000 This, that, and the other, $1.

02:20:38.000 No message.

02:20:39.000 Thanks. 0.71

02:20:40.000 Cody Olsich, you are not convincing minorities to be conservative. 0.90

02:20:43.000 Exceptions are not the rule with the $5. 0.77

02:20:45.000 Thank you, man.

02:20:46.000 What are you doing in my swamp with the $10.

02:20:49.000 Thank you. 1.00

02:20:50.000 Anti discrimination law props up this artificial rainbow society as well as constant multiracial propaganda. 0.94

02:20:57.000 As the white majority is diminished, the empire won't be able to keep the whole together. 0.89

02:21:01.000 This, that, and the other with $2. 1.00

02:21:03.000 This Nick kid looks creepy as fuck. 0.99

02:21:05.000 What is his face? 0.99

02:21:07.000 Thank you. 1.00

02:21:08.000 The drunken dwarf. 0.99

02:21:09.000 Oh, bingo, bongo, go back to the Congo with $5. 1.00

02:21:13.000 Blood and honor, $5.

02:21:14.000 If civic nationalism is so great, then why America as a current civic nationalist state is so degenerate, materialistic, and is making people miserable?

02:21:23.000 Yeah, so I actually read that during the debate.

02:21:26.000 I read this one too.

02:21:27.000 I'll read it again. 0.93

02:21:27.000 Evelyn, can we get rid of sanctuary cities while having civic nationalism? 0.93

02:21:31.000 Thank you.

02:21:31.000 $5.

02:21:32.000 Andrew M. Civic nationalists are such cowards.

02:21:34.000 They push civic nationalism over ethno nationalism because they think it's more digestible, not because it's better. 0.91

02:21:40.000 $5.

02:21:41.000 Thank you.

02:21:42.000 What are you doing in my swamp? 0.90

02:21:43.000 Maxwell rocking a Hitler stash based $2. 0.78

02:21:46.000 Josiah Menon, let's get some 1488s for Fuentes. 0.64

02:21:50.000 BTF owing this guy with the $5.

02:21:53.000 Thank you, buddy.

02:21:54.000 Kid A2000 with the $10.

02:21:57.000 Nick, I agree with exactly 75% of what you're saying.

02:22:00.000 The other 25% is sitting outside Home Depot with its lunch pail, and I can't understand it.

02:22:07.000 But seriously, I appreciate your arguments.

02:22:10.000 Thanks, man.

02:22:11.000 BBQ Beers with the $5. 1.00

02:22:13.000 Access to whites is not a human right, Ethnostate. 0.98

02:22:15.000 Now, Andrew M with the $2. 0.99

02:22:17.000 Bingo, bangle, bungle.

02:22:19.000 I'm so happy in the jungle.

02:22:22.000 Problematic.

02:22:23.000 White Knight 2.

02:22:24.000 Time to put you to bed, RC. 0.94

02:22:26.000 Detroit failed because we, Civic Nation, couldn't compete with Japan, Ethnostate. 0.98

02:22:31.000 So Detroit failed and we had to tariff them. 0.99

02:22:34.000 Shabo Shekels with the $2.

02:22:36.000 Civic nationalism is an oxymoron. 1.00

02:22:38.000 Also P O Z. Pause.

02:22:41.000 I don't know what that means.

02:22:42.000 All right.

02:22:43.000 John Doe, we all snickers now?

02:22:47.000 Snickers?

02:22:48.000 I don't know. 1.00

02:22:49.000 Exxon Valdez, Sanctuary Suburbs for White People. 0.99

02:22:52.000 $2. 0.82

02:22:53.000 John Doe, $5.

02:22:53.000 Thank you.

02:22:55.000 This is for Wakanda.

02:22:57.000 Colin J. Robb, Guns, Germs, and Steel by Jared Diamond.

02:23:00.000 Ha ha.

02:23:01.000 Spoiler alert $5.

02:23:02.000 You give Air Jordans now. 0.94

02:23:04.000 Blood and Honor, then why do civic nationalists accept degeneracy, materialism, etc., when ethnic nationalists don't? 0.87

02:23:11.000 Because what civic nationalists accept destroys nations. 0.71

02:23:15.000 God Duke the Divine One.

02:23:17.000 See devil like Nick hurt because y'all dying off.

02:23:20.000 With the $5.

02:23:21.000 Thank you.

02:23:22.000 Crimson Mile, $2.

02:23:24.000 Every time multiculturalism fails, wasn't real civic nationalism.

02:23:30.000 C. Hall, with the $5.

02:23:31.000 D.R. from a black sheet.

02:23:34.000 Thank you.

02:23:35.000 What are you doing in my swamp? 0.97

02:23:36.000 I think both these guys can agree more freedom, less government would be a net good, but good luck without achieving that without a white minority. 0.93

02:23:45.000 Dan B., with the $5. 0.91

02:23:47.000 R.C. Maxwell, would you agree that whites would thrive without other races, as proven in pre 1965 America, pre 21st century Europe? 0.69

02:23:54.000 Hanky Panky, how do you explain less violence under unemployed whites? 0.78

02:23:58.000 Good debate, fellas. 0.96

02:24:01.000 Fash Goyden, Nick literally lynched a black man live on YouTube.

02:24:04.000 I'm calling the police. 0.95

02:24:06.000 Wow.

02:24:07.000 Chill, dude.

02:24:08.000 Chill out, bro.

02:24:09.000 Chill.

02:24:10.000 RC did fine.

02:24:11.000 All right.

02:24:11.000 Gunrunner, $2.

02:24:13.000 We was kegs.

02:24:14.000 God Duke the Divine One, can you say melanoma?

02:24:18.000 $2. 1.00

02:24:19.000 Yeah, bitch, with the $5. 1.00

02:24:20.000 At least black men have higher IQs than Jew broads. 1.00

02:24:23.000 A diverse Israel is a strong Israel. 0.81

02:24:25.000 Support multiculturalism.

02:24:27.000 For Israel, good.

02:24:29.000 We was kanks. 0.99

02:24:31.000 Robert's ideology exists because of whites. 1.00

02:24:31.000 Blood and honor. 1.00

02:24:34.000 Thank you. 1.00

02:24:35.000 Problematic white, too. 0.99

02:24:37.000 Arcee was Googling.

02:24:39.000 When you see him stare into the screen, Nick never Googled once and was listening to all his arguments.

02:24:45.000 Shame for Desprey.

02:24:48.000 Sounding like a dog there.

02:24:49.000 Thank you, buddy.

02:24:50.000 Floyd in pink with the $5 from New Zealand.

02:24:53.000 Hey, thanks, man.

02:24:55.000 Did Dr. Dre get his doctorate from the same place Paul Town got his three PhDs from?

02:25:02.000 Maybe true.

02:25:03.000 All right.

02:25:03.000 Josh Hill with the $20.

02:25:06.000 Thank you, man.

02:25:07.000 RC Maxwell's rap name is MC Word Salad.

02:25:11.000 Burgernomics with the $2.

02:25:13.000 Unite under religion.

02:25:14.000 Idea of American varies.

02:25:17.000 Star God, $5.

02:25:19.000 Common nephew, you already know we have not assimilated.

02:25:22.000 It's like a Murdoch Murdoch episode.

02:25:24.000 We keep asking for Gibbs and not changing ourselves.

02:25:27.000 Weep for the culture, $5.

02:25:29.000 Every time I hear one of these civic cucks lay out their argument, it makes me. 0.83

02:25:33.000 Want to throw on the Hugo Boss and fire up the Panzers.

02:25:37.000 All right.

02:25:38.000 Apple butt with the $5.

02:25:39.000 RC embarrassed himself by being half an hour late, and it has only gotten worse and worse for him since.

02:25:44.000 Josiah Mignon, straw man of a cod, could use this guy as a sidekick.

02:25:49.000 Shabo Shekels with the $2. 0.91

02:25:50.000 Bix Nudes, muh fugga. 0.85

02:25:53.000 Thank you. 0.99

02:25:54.000 Weep for the culture, $5. 1.00

02:25:56.000 Falling for the college Jew scam and thinking it makes you smarter, top keck. 1.00

02:26:01.000 Crimson Mile with the $2. 1.00

02:26:03.000 The black guy is so disingenuous, this is boring. 1.00

02:26:07.000 Thank you for your money, dude. 1.00

02:26:10.000 Howie Felterpuss, $5.

02:26:12.000 Minorities in general overwhelmingly vote Democrat. 1.00

02:26:15.000 Eventually, the Republicans will have to change their politics to appeal to them equals free shit. 1.00

02:26:21.000 Last Frontier, $5. 1.00

02:26:22.000 The race war began long ago. 1.00

02:26:24.000 Just look at the countries being attacked with migration. 0.99

02:26:27.000 Look at non white on white crime. 0.97

02:26:28.000 Josiah Mignon, communism and capitalism are two sides of the same coin. 0.93

02:26:32.000 Adolf Hitler. 0.69

02:26:34.000 Brunhilde, blood for the blood god. 0.53

02:26:37.000 Reactionary Catholic, socialism is when the government does stuff, and the more stuff it does, the more socialister it is.

02:26:44.000 Garl Banks.

02:26:45.000 Also, I'm reclaiming the name RC.

02:26:48.000 Okay.

02:26:49.000 Thank you, man.

02:26:50.000 Problematic White Knight 2.

02:26:52.000 Ideological race war now.

02:26:54.000 God Duke the Divine One. 0.82

02:26:55.000 Nick, stop showing your teeth and use your brain.

02:26:58.000 Phil's Lab, $5. 1.00

02:27:00.000 As someone on the right and someone who lives in Alabama, I can tell you that Roy Moore was a piece of shit. 1.00

02:27:07.000 Doug Jones didn't win the race, Roy Moore lost it. 1.00

02:27:10.000 All right.

02:27:10.000 Thank you, buddy.

02:27:11.000 Salty Socks, $5. 0.99

02:27:13.000 Came late, but this seems like a shit fest with both sides talking past each other. 0.99

02:27:17.000 Apple Butt, round of applause for RC. 1.00

02:27:19.000 He did a great job of proving why cities like Detroit are complete shitholes.

02:27:25.000 Crestfallen with the $5.

02:27:27.000 LMFAO, how many times is Maxwell going to say he proved something without actually proving anything objectively?

02:27:34.000 Brainlet mode engaged.

02:27:36.000 White male with the $5. 0.76

02:27:38.000 Wakanda is an ethnostate with closed borders, strict trade laws, and a paternal autocrat monarchy government. 0.73

02:27:45.000 Black Panther is an alt right hero. 0.81

02:27:47.000 Oh, great.

02:27:48.000 Let me see if any more came in.

02:27:50.000 A couple more did come in.

02:27:50.000 Oh, wow.

02:27:52.000 All right.

02:27:53.000 Weep for the culture with the $5.

02:27:55.000 Why do you need guns?

02:27:56.000 I don't know, Destiny. 0.98

02:27:57.000 Why do you think it's okay to bang your kids? 0.99

02:28:00.000 Boom. 0.98

02:28:00.000 Debate over. 0.98

02:28:02.000 Yeah, that's going to be a crazy debate.

02:28:03.000 A bald guy creation with the $2.

02:28:06.000 Hey, thanks so much, buddy.

02:28:08.000 Every stream is better.

02:28:09.000 You are an awesome dude.

02:28:10.000 Thanks very much, man.

02:28:11.000 Yeah, I think they have been getting better. 0.99

02:28:13.000 The bastard with the $2. 1.00

02:28:16.000 Press 1 to gas Mike Tokes. 1.00

02:28:18.000 Thank you, buddy.

02:28:20.000 Let's see.

02:28:20.000 It looks like we just got one in here.

02:28:22.000 From Ben Chown.

02:28:24.000 This is a badass channel.

02:28:25.000 Thanks for the great debate.

02:28:27.000 See you next time at Hippie Conservative.

02:28:30.000 From Ben Chown with the $5.

02:28:32.000 Thank you so much, buddy.

02:28:33.000 All right.

02:28:34.000 So that is the super chats.

02:28:38.000 I want to thank everyone for being here.

02:28:43.000 This was a really fun Blood Sports.

02:28:45.000 This was a fun debate today.

02:28:47.000 I hope all you had fun.

02:28:50.000 Like I've said in the last debate, I've been listening to you guys.

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02:29:38.000 I'm doing my thing out here in Alaska.

02:29:40.000 I'm taking a trip to LA soon, so I will see you guys.

02:29:45.000 I'll do some streams from LA very soon.

02:29:46.000 But like I said, Wednesday, we have Joe Biggs and Destiny at 8 p.m. Eastern Time.

02:29:53.000 It's going to be one of the best debates, I think.

02:29:56.000 Kyler with a super chat here Red pill suppository.

02:29:59.000 Yeah, we're getting a lot of red pills on here, and I think it's important to try to be as fair as I can to both sides and get different opinions on here, get leftist opinions, get right wing opinions, alt right.

02:30:11.000 Alt Light, New Right.

02:30:13.000 I will bring anyone on here.

02:30:14.000 So don't say that Media Matters is trying to go after me and say I'm only showing one opinion.

02:30:20.000 That's not true.

02:30:22.000 I will let pretty much anyone come on here.

02:30:24.000 So if you guys have requests, if there's someone you really want to see on here, I know a lot of people have been asking for Ben Shapiro to come on.

02:30:30.000 I would love Ben Shapiro to come on.

02:30:32.000 People have been asking for Review Bra, Mike Enoch, David Duke, Joe Rogan.

02:30:39.000 Steven Crowder has been a big one that a lot of people have asked.

02:30:42.000 So I'm working on it.

02:30:45.000 And Styx, Hex, and Hammer is coming on mid March, but we don't know what the topic is yet.

02:30:51.000 But yeah, we're going to have an awesome 2018, and I can't wait to get more Bloodsports going, guys.

02:30:59.000 So hope you guys have a great night.

02:31:01.000 I love you.

02:31:02.000 God bless.

02:31:03.000 As always, I give the glory to God and to my friends and family for supporting me.

02:31:07.000 Thanks, guys.

02:31:08.000 God bless.

America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - February 19, 2018

Nick Fuentes vs. RC Maxwell

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