00:00:43.000We're doing a debate about civic nationalism versus ethnic nationalism, which is, we sort of did a similar debate with Richard Spencer and Mike Tokes.
00:02:46.000The protesters, they weren't like they don't have a specific policy that would have prevented what happened in Florida.
00:02:51.000They're just, they were out there just demanding action.
00:02:54.000And I'm like, you know, I remain steadfast in my belief that it's not the solution to these kinds of shootings is not like a law or regulation.
00:03:06.000It's that, you know, if somebody were looking into this kid's situation, whether it be a family member, a community member, a friend in high school, a religious leader, This wouldn't have happened.
00:03:16.000And there were so many signs where there's no excuse why nobody got involved and either institutionalized him or was looking after him.
00:03:25.000And so I think that's the only way you prevent many people from slipping through the cracks, like as what happens with our laws.
00:04:31.000I mean, we're talking about like mental illness.
00:04:35.000We're talking about people that have anger issues that don't care about their lives.
00:04:40.000I mean, there's, I don't know, there's not a lot you can do about that except, I mean, taking guns away isn't going to do anything.
00:04:48.000You look at the amount of stabbings in the UK and all of that, violent crimes and robberies, taking the guns away doesn't seem to solve anything there.
00:04:59.000Well, yeah, and if you look in the case of Washington, D.C., where they banned handguns for a time, you actually saw both gun related crime and non gun related crime increase when the ban was in place and then decrease when the ban went out of place.
00:05:13.000And I came with all the stats to the protest.
00:05:17.000I could all day long with the John Lott numbers and everything.
00:05:20.000There was probably, yeah, I saw some bits and pieces of your periscope there.
00:05:24.000It looked like a lot of screeching going on.
00:05:27.000No, people are putting fake quotes in the chat here.
00:08:58.000Yes, so why don't you give people, because this is the first time you've been on my channel for Blood Sports, so why don't you just give people a quick rundown of your interaction with Halsey?
00:09:12.000Well, it looks like, do we have RC here right now?
00:11:13.000We're talking about civic nationalism versus ethnic nationalism.
00:11:16.000So, RC, why don't you start us off in your definition?
00:11:20.000What is civic nationalism and why is this the winning strategy?
00:11:24.000Why is this better than something like ethnic nationalism?
00:11:29.000Well, you know, I'm a former debater, just like Will Chamberlain, so I'm definitely going to have some technical aspects to my form of argumentation here, but I'm going to try to make this as coherent as possible.
00:11:40.000And I want to make sure that I kind of give a clear sort of criteria in order to evaluate these arguments.
00:11:45.000I would say, in general, my premise is in order to preserve a traditional American society, civic nationalism functions better than ethnic nationalism as a means to preserve its greatness.
00:11:57.000In order to functionally prove my burdens in this debate, I'm going to make three kind of concise, significant contentions.
00:12:03.000My first being that violence, although it's conceptualized as a degree of conflict rather than a form of conflict, my argument is that ethnic nationalism, as opposed to civic nationalism, Results in violence that achieves no solutions other than genocide.
00:12:18.000My second main argument or contention is to subscribe to ethnic nationalist modes of thinking is to functionally abandon all hope that citizens can kind of unite under concepts of nationhood or a kind of unified political creed, quote unquote, civic nationalism.
00:12:35.000And furthermore, ethnic nationalism is just, it's kind of a black pill, right?
00:12:39.000It's unconstitutional and it's un-American.
00:12:41.000This contention will functionally prove that ethnic nationalism is so far right, it's essentially leftism.
00:12:48.000I'll say, given where we are historically, ethnic nationalism is theoretically impossible in America and in most geographical areas.
00:12:55.000Ethnic nationalism, the definition of a common kind of heritage, common faith, and ethnic ancestry, is already pretty much impossible.
00:13:03.000Social acceleration has made ethnic nationalism an impossibility.
00:13:07.000So, if we kind of agree on those premises, I'll kind of go right into my contentions.
00:13:10.000But do we kind of understand the kind of premises that I'm going off of here?
00:13:22.000I would say historically, ethnic nationalism has proven that it's kind of an ideology that only results in endless wars.
00:13:28.000Ethnic nationalism caused both the First and Second World War, although I'm certain Nick has some counters to that.
00:13:33.000I would say World War I started mostly as an assassination of the Archduke, Franz Ferdinand, and that was committed by the Black Hand, and the Black Hand sought to unify ethnic Serbian territories.
00:13:45.000So, ethnic nationalism caused World War I.
00:13:47.000It obviously caused World War II under Nazi expansionism, which was explicitly an ethnic nationalist movement on the basis that Aryans were ethnically superior.
00:13:56.000So, we know historically that ethnic nationalism literally starts wars.
00:14:00.000Civic nationalism, on the other hand, it ends wars.
00:14:02.000The United States pretty much ended World War II, and the United States kind of was the epitome of what the kind of greatness that civic nationalism, the kind of civic nationalism we fought for, kind of what it can do.
00:14:14.000So, civic nationalism for the United States was an ideology.
00:14:18.000It was about kind of the sovereignty of nation states as opposed to ethnic superiority.
00:14:25.000In fact, ethnic nationalism was also, sorry, civic nationalism.
00:14:29.000Was so heightened after World War I that previously segregated factories started actually hiring black workers because World War II literally, you know, was a movement that desegregated a lot of factories and engineering entities because they didn't want to hire European workers, even though predominantly American kind of power structures were white, they didn't want to hire white Europeans.
00:14:50.000They preferred after World War II because of civic nationalism to hire black Americans.
00:14:55.000So, about a million black Americans migrated from the south north to take these jobs.
00:14:59.000So, civic nationalism definitely did a lot of good there.
00:15:04.000On an impact level, this literally proves that ethnic nationalism, because of what happened in World War II and World War I, the amount of deaths, it's literally prone to genocide.
00:15:13.000So I think if I win that ethnic nationalism is equitable to mostly genocide, I'll be controlling all the kind of important offense in the debate.
00:15:20.000Contention two ethnic nationalism is un American and essentially leftism.
00:15:25.000I would say, firstly, it's kind of divorced of any kind of realistic plan.
00:15:29.000I think I've talked to a couple of ethnic nationalists and they want to move all white people to Utah.
00:15:34.000I have a couple of ideas like that, but it's really an unrealistic plan.
00:15:37.000It's kind of, You know, you're divorcing any concept of uniting all Americans under a singular political creed.
00:15:44.000Additionally, let's say ethnic nationalism is adopted by mainstream conservatives.
00:15:50.000You'd be essentially ostracizing Latino and black conservatives and putting yourself in a situation where only leftism wins.
00:16:52.000What you saw is the claim that ethnic nationalism causes conflict and civic nationalism subdues conflict, or maybe that there's less conflict in civic nationalism.
00:17:03.000If you look in the case of World War I, let's start with World War I. In World War I, you had three civic nationalist empires the Russian Empire, the Austro Hungarian Empire, and the Ottoman Empire, all of which were multi ethnic.
00:17:27.000You saw the initiation of World War I when Serbia tried to wrest Bosnia from Austria Hungary.
00:17:33.000So I would actually contend that World War I was caused by a rejection of ethnic nationalism in the sense that after World War I, we had an ethnic resorting of all these countries, where by the end of World War I, the Russian Empire gave way to all kinds of new countries.
00:17:49.000The Austro Hungarian Empire gave way to all kinds of new countries.
00:17:52.000The Ottoman Empire gave way to all kinds of new countries, all defined by ethnicity.
00:17:56.000You know that World War I, one of the principles envisioned by Wilson, was the right of all ethnic peoples to self determination.
00:18:04.000So the result of World War I, the result of the conflict, was a reshuffling along ethnic lines as opposed to rebuilding civic states.
00:18:12.000World War II was the result of the fact that you had German people spread out across Central Europe in Austria, in the Sudetenland, in Czechoslovakia.
00:18:22.000And in Poland, in that little, in Danzig, in that corridor.
00:18:26.000And what you saw, the cause of World War II was that Hitler was expanding.
00:18:30.000Well, I mean, we could spend a whole thing about the cause of World War II.
00:18:33.000But what caused it in effect was the fact that Germany invaded Poland to get back Danzig, and that violated a war guarantee that Poland had made with Great Britain.
00:18:43.000And so, again, you have, after World War II, a new sorting of the European continent along ethnic lines.
00:18:49.000So that after World War I, after World War II, and even if you go back to 1991 or the 90s, when Yugoslavia fell apart into all kinds of different countries, we have, after a century of conflict, essentially sorted ourselves into ethnic countries, into ethnically nationalist countries.
00:19:06.000And even now, you see the current cleavages in European countries, whether it be Scotland in the United Kingdom and the devolution to Wales and to Northern Ireland and the other provinces, whether it's the Basques in Spain, whether it's all kinds of other secessionist movements happening, the Flemish and the Walloons in Belgium.
00:19:23.000You see that actually the rejection of ethnic nationalism.
00:19:26.000Causes conflict because people have to fight to determine which group is going to control the country, and the record of history is clear on that.
00:19:34.000So, I mean, I don't even know where to begin.
00:19:37.000You have a lot of grandeur, but not a lot of substance there.
00:19:41.000So, my argument is so my question is simply put before I respond to everything you said, is your argument that the assassination of Franz Ferdinand not the linchpin of what started World War I?
00:19:51.000Because the reason he was assassinated is because they had a problem with him ruling over an ethnic Slavic area as he was a German.
00:20:03.000So, I don't know if this is a chicken and the egg question between the two of us, but how can you say that World War I wasn't started by ethnic nationalism when literally Franz Ferdinand was assassinated because of his ethnic identity?
00:20:16.000Because, again, the assassination happened because you had a multi ethnic empire.
00:20:20.000You had an empire that was living in rejection of ethnic nationalism.
00:20:24.000If the Austro Hungarian Empire was just different ethnic nation states, states governed by the given ethnicity within the geography, With a shared language, shared culture, and shared blood, you wouldn't have had that conflict.
00:20:37.000That's the point we see ethnic nationalism like gravity.
00:20:41.000Whether you like it or not, these forces will tear a country apart.
00:20:49.000And again, by the end of these wars, after they'd sorted themselves out, how did they achieve a lasting peace after World War I and World War II?
00:20:59.000And you saw in the case of Germany after World War II, the Germans were put into Germany.
00:21:03.000And that's how we've avoided conflict.
00:21:05.000The ethnic groups have sorted themselves, and now you don't have any of these civic nationalists.
00:21:11.000Well, I think it's a fair question to ask how we're functionally viewing the criteria for any kind of debate on civic nationalism versus ethnic nationalism, right?
00:21:21.000You can say, oh, because the ethnic nationalists didn't get their ways, violence happened.
00:21:26.000Or you can say that that kind of just proves that ethnic nationalism, as an ideology, is inherently violent and kind of barbaric.
00:21:34.000Because I would just assume that would be.
00:21:47.000And that's the only way to evaluate an ideology is to evaluate it realistically and how it's enforced realistically.
00:21:55.000So, in a world where you can't prove how ethnic nationalists can exist without violence and genocide, then you've pretty much already lost the debate if you say, unless ethnic nationalists don't get their way, Literally, people are just going to have to die, and endless war is going to have to happen.
00:22:10.000The point is that if we abide by ethnic nationalism, you can avoid civil war.
00:22:15.000If countries are ordered based on ethnicity, based on blood and race, you can drastically mitigate the amount of conflict.
00:22:22.000And the reason that we advocate for, or the reason that we understand the power of ethnic nationalism in this country, is because we see in the past 25 years, the vast majority of wars have not been interstate conflicts.
00:22:34.000They've not been between countries, they've been within countries.
00:22:37.000And that's because you look in Africa, you look in the Middle East, You look even in China, even in Russia, conflicts within countries occur because you have these minorities, ethnic, racial, or religious, that see themselves as not represented, or there's friction with the majority population or other populations alongside them.
00:22:56.000And we understand the power of that potential.
00:23:02.000A warrant for, you know, historically all these conflicts just happened because of, you know, predisposed ethnic conflicts.
00:23:08.000Because I would say it's been written by people like Hillman that said that inevitably people are going to draw lines of conflict based on difference.
00:23:15.000Whether it be ethnicity, whether it be nationality, whether it be religion, whether it be an infinite number of things.
00:23:22.000So, when you say the term if, you say if countries are aligned ethnically, X, Y, Z, and things can be peaceful.
00:23:36.000So, my question to you is how are you going to redraw geopolitical lines without literally engaging in a World War III, which would cause more genocide?
00:23:49.000Countries are living in rejection of ethnic nationalism.
00:23:52.000And you say the difference is what causes conflict.
00:23:55.000Don't you think we could diminish conflict by diminishing difference in terms of strong cleavages and strong fault lines in a country by reorganizing along ethnic lines?
00:24:04.000You can look, and the record of history, again, is crystal clear.
00:24:07.000Look at what happened just 20 years ago in Kosovo.
00:24:10.000Look at what happened in Sri Lanka between the Tamil Tigers and the others.
00:24:27.000It's because when you have these vastly different peoples living in the same borders, governed by the same government, using the same resources, they tend to conflict with one another because there is that friction between different peoples.
00:24:52.000That is, again, against the reality, against the record of history, which is pretty clear.
00:24:57.000And if I may, I just don't understand how you see the things that you're saying and don't realize that you are literally the person advocating for the most unrealistic implementation of policy.
00:25:08.000I mean, you have to realize, sure, it's great to say all these other conflicts internationally, such as Syria, that are engaging in violence over ethnic whatever.
00:25:16.000But in America, which is the crux of the debate, the crux of the culture war that both you and I are fighting the same side of, is functionally ethnic or civic nationalism.
00:25:26.000What is a better lens in order to evaluate and eradicate some of the problems we see America facing?
00:25:31.000And it's just literally an impossibility in order for us to revert to ethnic nationalism.
00:25:36.000You still haven't responded to my analysis that says that in America, you literally, you know, the conservative movement, if we adopted ethnic nationalism, you would literally ostracize both Latino and black conservatives.
00:25:47.000So, my question to you is you'd literally just cede more power to leftists in a world where you adopt ethnic nationalism, which functionally means ethnic nationalists is just really another way of saying leftist bullshit.
00:25:57.000It's kind of anarchist bullshit, and it literally has, there's really no way to really adopt it, right?
00:26:03.000You guys just kind of run around and Saying maybe we'll get Utah someday, but there's no way to actually implement.
00:27:35.000Well, let's ask Thomas Jefferson, who said, Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people, blacks, Are to be free.
00:27:43.000Nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government.
00:27:50.000Abraham Lincoln, I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people.
00:27:59.000There is a physical difference between the white and black races, which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together in terms of social and political equality.
00:28:09.000Even you could go, and I have dozens of these, but you could go up to Harry Truman, who said, I am strongly of the opinion.
00:28:14.000That Negroes ought to be in Africa, yellow men in Asia, and white men in Europe and America.
00:28:19.000The first three Immigration Acts in 1795, 1798, 1803, the Immigration Law, only gave citizenship to free white men of upstanding character.
00:28:28.000So the idea that it's an un American concept, maybe it's an old concept, but it's certainly not un American.
00:28:37.000So would you say that these quotes kind of embody what you believe about ethnic nationalism?
00:28:41.000Like you kind of believe these kind of quotes about.
00:28:47.000Would you say that you agree that whites and blacks cannot live in civil society together?
00:28:52.000I don't think they could live peacefully together, not if there is not a core culture, not if there is not a core demographic.
00:28:58.000Okay, Nick, you realize, well, this literally is the internet.
00:29:02.000We're talking on the internet, but you can't take these kind of abstract ideologies in from the internet into the real world.
00:29:08.000I think you're already kind of realizing this in multiple different facets as you go on in life.
00:29:13.000But the other thing is, I think the abstract ideology, I believe mine is rooted in history.
00:29:20.000I think, Max, because, and this is the discussion that we're having, because you said, of course, and I'm not saying this, you said, of course, well, we're not having a debate on whether or not I think we can advocate this into party politics and use it, blah, blah, blah.
00:29:31.000I'm not saying it has to be implemented that realistically.
00:29:35.000However, the only way to discuss these kind of concepts, ethnic nationalism versus civic nationalism, is to imagine what they would be like in a world where they were implemented as a core ideology in the real world, right?
00:29:47.000It's kind of a, we're kind of literally like, we're theory testing here.
00:29:50.000So we're testing whether or not civic or ethnic nationalism Would be theoretically legitimate in our everyday life?
00:29:59.000It's also a fair question to look at things through a historical lens.
00:30:03.000And if a world where you and I are both admitting that ethnic nationalism and desires of ethnic nationalism has literally caused genocide and world wars, because we're pretty much admitting that, you're just saying essentially if you would have given the ethnic nationalists their way, we wouldn't have this war essentially.
00:30:24.000So, yeah, your solution is the black hand solution.
00:30:27.000Like, give ethnic nationalists our way or else.
00:30:30.000My argument is that civic nationalism, uniting under a singular political creed, will ameliorate many instances of conflict.
00:30:38.000And in fact, every instance of previous conflict that we've identified was a literal instance of civic nationalism not being able to pretty much take its force because ethnic nationalism, ethnic nationalists are pretty much pouting.
00:30:52.000So, when you look at contemporary and historical underviews, ethnic nationalists.
00:31:39.000We will either be prescient enough, we will either be prescient enough that we understand the forces of ethnic nationalism and we civilly and peacefully negotiate a way out of this civic nationalist system.
00:31:51.000And all the countries of the world that are currently engaged in the oppression of other peoples, where there's an ethnic group that isn't represented or that isn't enfranchised in that country, we can come to negotiation where people can get their own countries where they can reside and there's no ethnic conflict.
00:32:42.000False because the Uyghur conflict exists devoid of ethnic identities, which means it's literally a religious conflict, which means religious conflict is also going to agree.
00:32:51.000The only thing that ameliorates all of these problems is to unify under a singular nationhood or political creed where you divorce your necessary radical ties to any religion or so on and so forth.
00:33:02.000You have to remember, you know, there are inevitably going to be people that, and this is back to my Hillman analysis, that says that conflict is.
00:33:54.000I mean, number one, there has never been a country in the history of the world that's endured without a single polity, without a single dominant polity.
00:34:02.000I mean, the United States is a perfect example.
00:34:04.000We were 80% white at the founding, 90% white as recently as 1960.
00:34:09.000And since that trend has reversed and becoming less white, we've seen more and more ethnic and racial conflict, more and more tension.
00:34:18.000And this identity crisis we see in the country today.
00:35:24.000And is doing well, is peaceful, is well.
00:35:25.000I argue the United States is a civic nationalist country because we use the Constitution as our guiding document, which is, you know, not, there's no specific value given to anyone else except those born here and those not born here.
00:35:38.000That is the epitome of civic nationalism.
00:35:40.000And this is why I say ethnic nationalism is literally leftist, anarchist bullshit because the only way for ethnic nationalism is to suffice is through what you call a civil, peaceful agreement.
00:35:52.000So we'd have to literally eradicate the Constitution.
00:35:55.000Governmentality as we know it because the Constitution literally gives rights that are unalienable as long as you're an American citizen.
00:36:03.000It's not based on if you're an ethnic.
00:36:30.000You would end, I mean, the reason that we are seeing America becoming a multiracial country is because, unlike previous waves of immigration, the present wave of immigration has been going nonstop for 50 years, and there's no end in sight.
00:36:44.000And all the immigration, most of it, is coming from a very particular region, and in many cases, from a very particular country.
00:36:50.000And what you have being created right now is what Samuel Huntington calls a cleft country, which is what happens when you have two distinct peoples culturally.
00:36:59.000Ethnically, religiously distinct people in the same country.
00:37:03.000And the way that we stop it, number one, is we end mass immigration.
00:37:08.000And then there has to be a decision made in the country.
00:37:11.000I think culturally, we have to make a decision.
00:37:13.000Is this going to be a country that a normative American is ethnically European, is Christian, subscribes to the Anglo Protestant culture that prevailed in the founding?
00:37:24.000Or is this going to be a country where anything goes and somebody fresh off the boat is just as American as everybody else?
00:37:30.000So, see, now we're blurring lines, Nick.
00:37:42.000Let's especially end migration from Mexico.
00:37:45.000And also, you're using this term cleft country.
00:37:47.000Cleft country is a very specific term that applies to the Orange Revolution, specifically when there were issues with Ukraine and other ethnicities coming in.
00:37:55.000So, they were a particular different situation.
00:38:14.000And this only creates more civic nationalism because it creates a literal more pride in one's country and the kind of kinship that happens when everyone is along the same born citizenship lines.
00:38:34.000And the reason why you started talking about mass migration, and let me remind you to stay on topic, because this is what you did against Will Chamberlain, but he spoke 100 miles a minute.
00:38:47.000Give my audience, I don't think, is familiar with that.
00:38:49.000So, what happened with you and Chamberlain, real quick?
00:38:51.000Well, Will Chamberlain tried to argue that the regime that killed our Americans in the USS Liberty incident and who terrorized Americans in the 40s, he tried to argue that Israel deserves $4 billion a year.
00:39:03.000And he was crushed by me in a debate, I think, back in the fall.
00:39:08.000But again, if we return to the argument at hand here, we return to the argument at hand.
00:39:32.000And then I said, and I think you're kind of choosing here to ignore what came after that.
00:39:37.000I said, and after that, we have to decide culturally if this country is going to have, as a normative American, as a normative American, is it going to be a European Christian who subscribes to Anglo Protestant culture?
00:39:51.000And look, the country has always had, the country at the founding.
00:40:28.000I think inevitably, and like I said, inevitably, we either have this very difficult conversation of who is an American and who isn't, and we decide it, or there will be ethnic conflict.
00:41:34.000Again, you would have to come to a cultural consensus.
00:41:37.000I mean, and you could do other things like boosting the birth rates, which I talk about on my show all the time.
00:41:42.000You could do things like making the economy so that middle class birth rates rise and have a social movement that you have birth rates rise.
00:41:49.000And that is an answer to the rapidly decreasing supermajority of white people.
00:41:53.000But by the same token, you have to come to a cultural consensus in the country.
00:41:58.000What it means to be an American, I'll say it again normative American is European Christian.
00:42:03.000And subscribes to the Anglo Protestant.
00:42:06.000So, this is a constitutional amendment.
00:42:08.000Because remember, my original question was how do you implement this without functionally changing it?
00:42:43.000We did this for a long time where people would say, you know, where you have this distinguisher of, you know, an African American or an Asian American.
00:42:50.000What is the implicit suggestion when you say something like that?
00:42:52.000When you put a prefix in front of American to modify it, it says, well, that person's not, you know, they're an African American, right?
00:43:00.000And that's the cultural consensus that prevailed in this country for a long time.
00:43:03.000Nobody had any issues with this for a long time until we started to decide that, you know, oh, somebody comes over here and doesn't learn the language and is from another country and they, Had no part in fighting in this country's wars or building this country's factories.
00:43:15.000Well, you know, they're just a part of, they're just as apple pie as everybody else.
00:43:20.000And even Brett Stevens and others might say, well, they're more American because they subscribe to the creed more than the people who are here.
00:43:30.000The American question is a difficult one because America was founded, like you said, with the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, where it is at the very least ambiguous.
00:43:40.000Even though in the Federalist Papers, even though in the subsequent Immigration Acts, they make it very clear who it's for, because of the liberal enlightenment nature of the founding documents, There is an ambiguity as to whether or not America was intended to be multiracial or not.
00:43:55.000But I will say that whether or not I can offer an adequate prescription for how we put in place ethnic nationalism in the country today, it doesn't take away from the fact that you cannot find a single civic nationalist country that is functioning.
00:44:10.000That everywhere you find civic nationalism.
00:44:13.000Actually, I proved that the United States is a civic nationalist country.
00:45:10.000Every place in this country where you see diversity, whether it's Detroit, whether it's the south side of Chicago, whether it's Los Angeles, whether it's Washington, D.C., Birmingham, everywhere where you see diversity, it's not going so well.
00:45:58.000When Nick Fuentes said that civically, we can introduce, we can just en masse migration, we can do all these major overhauls of the United States system, and somehow that's a civic, peaceful transition.
00:46:08.000You also said that, let me remind folks that even if I prove that it's kind of impossible to kind of implement these kinds of ideologies without a bunch of violence and kind of death happening, that still doesn't prove my point wrong.
00:46:22.000So, this is literally the epitome of someone refusing to have a kind of stable debate from a stable locus point.
00:46:27.000I've literally advocated and I've proven that you cannot realistically implement civic nationalism and ethnic nationalism without destroying the Constitution.
00:46:36.000I heard a lot of steps that were advocated by Nick that are inherently unconstitutional that would literally either require an amendment, a significant amendment at that, or it would require just literally striking through lines of the Constitution.
00:46:49.000In order to do that, you're literally going to cause all out war, all out violence.
00:46:52.000It's literally going to be the bigger civil wars in Civil War number one, which is a huge question.
00:46:57.000You have to ask yourself is it healthy?
00:47:00.000To subscribe to an ideology that cannot be implemented realistically without literally allowing for a bunch of anarchist bullshit to happen in your country.
00:47:29.000Well, I let him finish because I think he's showing everybody how low IQ he is, that he really cannot wrap his head around the premise of ethnic nationalism.
00:47:38.000Trust me, we wish just as much as you that we could all get along.
00:47:53.000And I looked at history and I looked at the world as it is rather than how we want it to be.
00:47:57.000And I saw that regardless of whether or not we can come up with a solution where we can evade this collision course that we're on with all these ethnic and racial and religious cleavages, that ethnic nationalism is a powerful force.
00:48:11.000And it's not something that we can debate, well, is it a good thing?
00:48:41.000And of course, what triggered the greatest world war that the world had ever known at the time was a rejection of ethnic nationalism because Serbia saw that they wanted to contest Bosnia from Austria Hungary because they weren't organized along ethnic lines to cause conflict.
00:48:55.000And even in the case of Germany, ask yourself this if all the ethnic Germans, We're in Germany.
00:49:01.000If all the Germans in Danzig, if all the Germans in the Sudetenland, if all the Germans that were captured in the Anschluss, if they were all in Germany, would there have been a conflict?
00:49:12.000Because they would have scapegoated the Jews and expanded west.
00:49:17.000The spark that started World War II wouldn't have existed if all the ethnic Germans were in Germany.
00:49:23.000The spark for World War I wouldn't have existed if all the Balkan countries and all the multi ethnic groups were ordered along ethnic lines.
00:49:32.000And you can look at the past 20 years.
00:50:35.000Because it exists, he might as well cater to it, or else people like me who subscribe to ethnic nationalism are inevitably going to commit some sort of huge, treacherous act of violence, like assassinating Franz Ferdinand, the Archduke, because he shouldn't be ruling over me because he's an ethnic German and I'm sloven.
00:50:54.000You need that straw man, otherwise it doesn't matter.
00:50:57.000No, I don't see how that's literally not your point.
00:50:59.000Your point is literally it doesn't matter if it could be if a world of fantasy where all the Jews lived in this one area, they would have never committed violence.
00:51:08.000That's literally not what the debate is about.
00:51:09.000The debate is about which is a better prevailing, what should be the more prevailing ideology that people should ascribe to through an infinite number of metrics.
00:51:18.000Remember, violence was just one of my contentions.
00:51:21.000Through an infinite number of metrics.
00:51:24.000And you haven't proved that ethnic nationalism, as some sort of condition, can either be implemented realistically or that it literally hasn't caused war outside of you saying, well, it existed.
00:51:36.000People didn't listen to the ethnic nationalists and shit went crazy.
00:51:41.000The point is that ethnic nationalism is literally a barbaric and uncivilized ideology as opposed to one that says we should all unify under a singular creed.
00:52:23.000You're functionally advocating so far right on the scale where you're only concerned yourself with identity and you've lost your sort of concept of simple values that are kind of, and I'll just say it, it's ethical.
00:52:36.000Of course, you can say Black Hannity's getting on his high horse, but I would say the concept of cynic nationalism, I'm not on the same side of La Raza folks who also say, That we shouldn't be like Americans shouldn't be here.
00:52:49.000They say contemporary Americans shouldn't be here because they say this culture belongs to the indigenous people and so on and so forth.
00:52:55.000So once you go down that rabbit hole, which is literally just leftist bullshit, you put yourself in a situation where you're no better than leftists and you're in yourself in a war against Black Lives Matter and La Raza.
00:53:06.000So how does that just not prove that your mindset is just bankrupt of any creativity?
00:53:20.000You believe that World War I was not triggered by the fact that you had ethnic conflict.
00:53:26.000It wasn't by the fact that there was friction between ethnic groups and states.
00:53:29.000You have it in a very warped way that it was ethnic nationalists that started it, that the ethnic nationalists got together and they caused the war, which is totally against what I'm saying.
00:53:40.000What I'm saying is that ethnicities, when you have different ethnic groups or different racial groups or different religious groups within a country, when you have cleavages, when you have fault lines, this Naturally, the natural tendency of people, as you yourself said, when there is difference, it causes conflict.
00:53:57.000And we saw that World War I was caused by conflict because of differences between people within large polities.
00:54:04.000Austro Hungarian Empire, Russian Empire, Ottoman Empire, there was so much friction within these countries that they became unstable.
00:54:11.000They became ungovernable because you had so many different peoples that were resistant to the rule of the central government, whether it be Moscow, whether it be Vienna, whether it be Ankara.
00:54:24.000And so we're not saying that ethnic nationalists caused those.
00:54:27.000Of course, they didn't cause those wars.
00:54:29.000It was the very nature that you had ethnic conflict.
00:54:32.000And ethnic nationalists say, well, we understand that ethnic differences, ethnic cleavages cause conflict.
00:54:38.000And we want to mitigate that conflict by reorganizing people along ethnic lines.
00:54:42.000And if you look in World War I, if you didn't have these vast empires, if you didn't have these mass polities where there was no definitive identity, it would have mitigated, it would have drastically mitigated the amount of conflict.
00:54:54.000Number two, You say that identitarianism is left wing.
00:54:59.000You say that we've gone so far right, we're left, which posits somehow that it's not a horseshoe, it's a donut.
00:55:05.000It's Gavin McInnes' demented donut of ideology where you go so far right that you're actually Black Lives Matter, which is, of course, absurd.
00:55:13.000The bedrock of conservatism and liberalism, it's not like low taxes.
00:55:18.000It's not like a small government like Ben Shapiro likes to have it or the others like to have it.
00:55:24.000The bedrock of conservatism is order, order secured through tradition, through hierarchy, through authority, through homogeneity, through coherence.
00:55:34.000And liberalism is chaos through progress, drastic reforms, innovation.
00:55:41.000And people that are in favor of order, people that are in favor of tradition, people that want to mitigate conflict understand that the best way to do it is the way that it's always been done, which is to have ethnic groups within their own countries.
00:55:52.000We understand that human beings are predisposed to fight with each other, people that are different with them, especially when they're fighting, especially when they're living in close quarters under the same government and fighting for the same resources.
00:56:05.000So I'm not saying you would get rid of all conflict.
00:56:07.000Of course, you wouldn't get rid of all conflict.
00:56:09.000Religious conflict would exist, interstate conflict would exist.
00:56:12.000But you would drastically mitigate the total amount of conflict if you were to eliminate one of the key reasons why they all started.
00:56:19.000And look at the most homogeneous countries in the world, whether it be Japan, whether it be Scandinavia, whether it be the European nations after World War II and then after the Cold War.
00:56:28.000These countries are the most stable, are the most peaceful.
00:56:30.000That is, until the advent of mass immigration from North Africa and the Middle East.
00:56:35.000And then suddenly, when the ethnic nationalist, which they take it for granted, the ethnic nationalist composition and consensus in those countries was challenged by Islamic civilization, by Arab civilization, it started to fall apart.
00:56:49.000Yeah, pretty sure Japan rolled on China and expanded because they thought they were ethnically superior.
00:56:53.000You should look it up a little bit if you want to know the history of Japan Chinese relations.
00:56:58.000So that proved that you can be inherently in two separate geopolitical areas and still have conflict because of one's belief of ethnic superiority.
00:57:09.000So, yeah, you never can argue about superiority.
00:57:15.000I would argue, and I said that in my preamble, that ethnic nationalism and ethnic Superiority are hand in hand, and this is why Aryans expanded because they thought themselves were superior.
00:57:53.000You functionally conceded that that assassination was the lynchpin and that was derived by ethnic nationalist ties.
00:57:58.000But if you were to wash that over, we can look how before that, the annexation of Bosnia and Herzegovina happened.
00:58:06.000And literally, the kingdom of Serbia got pissed because of their Slavic ethnic ties.
00:58:13.000So that's what also caused much of the Balkan conflict.
00:58:16.000And that was driven by ethnic motivations, which once again caused another war.
00:58:20.000So this is what I tell you, Nick, what I'm trying to explain to you.
00:58:23.000And if I can get it to your 20 year old mind, You might understand it.
00:58:27.000You can advocate for one thing on the internet and the practical implementation of it is literally impossible.
00:58:36.000You've lost time and time again in this debate proving that any practical implementation of ethnic nationalist ideology is at all possible.
00:58:43.000But I'll go ahead and let you respond.
00:58:44.000Are you saying that ethnic nationalism and ethnic superiority aren't hand in hand?
00:58:50.000I don't think they can exist without each other.
00:58:53.000Well, first of all, I love how you didn't even respond to my response.
00:59:16.000Ask your fans that want an ethno state if they'd be happy with just shooting the shit and debates about ethnic nationalism or if they literally want to see that shit persist.
00:59:24.000It sounds like you have a lot of animosity.
00:59:26.000I don't think this is about something else, RC.
00:59:29.000I think what happens is people like yourself.
00:59:32.000Get very touchy because, of course, if we were to define ethnic nationalism in this country, you would be excluded.
00:59:38.000And I understand why that makes you biased against the idea.
00:59:41.000I understand that why that makes you prejudiced because your personal outcome would be adversely affected.
00:59:48.000Because if you were forced to live among a country of other people, you know, or that were like you, if you were excluded from this country.
01:00:03.000Regardless of where the chips fall for me, I understand the truth.
01:00:08.000Regardless of where the chips fall, I can look at it from an objective lens and understand what's happening in history and what's happening in the country.
01:00:15.000But to get to your point, which is, is ethnic nationalism the same as ethnic supremacy?
01:00:23.000To say that they go hand in hand is absurd.
01:00:26.000To reorder the country along ethnic lines actually prevents those kinds of things.
01:00:30.000When you have different ethnic groups living amongst each other, living In close quarters, in cities, vying for the same resources, that breeds more ethnic conflict, that breeds more ethnic hate, more ethnic supremacy than anything.
01:00:43.000And I think that we know this in an a priori way, in the sense that we know this in interpersonal relations day to day.
01:00:50.000Because if I interact with somebody at the workplace, I'm far more inclined to be friendly with that person because at the end of the day, I can go home and I can go home and I cannot talk to that person.
01:01:00.000But if you're living with somebody who's very different from you, and I knew this because I was in college and I live with people who are very different from me.
01:01:07.000It only exacerbates the conflict, only exacerbates maybe feelings of superiority or inferiority.
01:01:12.000And, you know, this stuff about the Nazi regime is just so historically illiterate.
01:01:17.000I mean, this is like maybe this is the kosher, like, you know, history class from eighth grade version of things.
01:01:23.000I mean, what a just tragic misreading of history there.
01:01:27.000But to the fundamental point, maybe there's a connection in the sense that people become aware of their ethnicity.
01:01:45.000I debated competitively for a long time, and I'm advocating for something I legitimately believe in, and you're advocating for something I believe you legitimately believe in.
01:01:54.000But you also just said, regardless of where the chips fall for you, this is what you would advocate for.
01:01:59.000So I don't really know what you're talking about.
01:02:01.000This essentially means you get kicked out of America, too.
01:02:03.000You can come to Wakanda and live with me, okay?
01:02:17.000I think that it would ameliorate tensions.
01:02:19.000And I think you can look at literally the example I brought of World War I. After World War I, we didn't want to let in European immigrants.
01:02:26.000We adopted a kind of civic nationalist ideology.
01:03:13.000So, the problem is that everyone isn't subscribing to civic nationalism, right?
01:03:17.000The problem is that the Mexicans want to keep their ethnic nationalism, and it's causing some problems in the United States of America because when you're adopting their own ethnic nationalism and they're adopting.
01:03:27.000Kind of, I guess, also civic nationalism pro Mexico that creates problems of assimilating into American culture.
01:03:34.000So the problem here is when you fail to engage civic nationally, you pretty much fail to ameliorate concepts.
01:03:40.000Let me tell you what you think about that, Nick.
01:03:43.000I mean, number one, the argument, this absurd argument that, well, blacks were working in factories, that means they were more civic nationalists, the proportion of whites living in the country against the general population was increasing.
01:04:12.000But then, number two, what was the second argument that you made that was about, oh, yeah, yeah, okay, so Mexicans coming in and they identify with Mexico.
01:04:19.000Well, that's kind of exactly the problem.
01:04:21.000If we could go into these communities and we could go into Minnesota, for example, and we could talk to these Somalis about the Constitution, we could say, Hello, illiterate Muslim Somali, where you have no tradition of civil society.
01:04:36.000Well, here's how the Constitution works.
01:04:38.000Read some Montesquieu, read some Voltaire.
01:04:41.000If you go down to Los Angeles, which is basically Mexico, and you go and you say, Well, look, if you guys just understand that it's an Anglo Protestant culture and we go back to the Magna Carta, look, if that were possible, that would be an entire different paradigm.
01:04:55.000But this is simply not going to happen.
01:05:44.000That's what we talk about when we talk about these are the forces of gravity.
01:05:47.000I would agree that in a totalitarian kind of mindset, it would be impossible to kind of forecast all these kinds of people migrating over to the United States is just going to all of a sudden snap their fingers and then adopt an American mindset.
01:06:00.000But here's what I also suppose it's far more realistic to get people in America to buy into civic nationalism.
01:06:07.000Than it ever would be to get a bunch of white people on some kind of singular area and a bunch of blacks in one area and a bunch of Latinos, I guess, sitting back as well.
01:06:14.000So you have to already ask yourself not as civic nationalism as a concept being adopted, is it possible, but is it more possible than ethnic nationalism?
01:06:24.000And we've seen a few empirical examples.
01:06:26.000However, so first and foremost, sure, you go to Somalia, you try to get them to read any Western classics and French post structuralism, they're not going to bite in because they're not, you know, they're not.
01:06:39.000That's a problem of migration, so that's literally not mutually exclusive to ethnic nationalism.
01:06:43.000Civic nationalism proponents we can support merit based education and so on and so forth and all that without triggering all the negative implications of ethnic nationalism.
01:06:53.000So we continue to both agree stop migration.
01:06:56.000I would also say you can look at black movements in the early 19th century and the late 20th century, and you can see that there were movements that were Afrocentric.
01:07:13.000They lost out to pro assimilation based modes of thinking of Martin Luther King and so on and so forth that said that no, you know what, go into American society, assimilate, blah, blah, blah.
01:07:23.000Yeah, sure, you get called the N word 50 times on your way to campus, continue to walk to campus with your head high.
01:07:41.000I say that's what literally all of conservatism is working on.
01:07:44.000We are working on showing people the power of Americanism, showing people the power of what happens in American markets.
01:07:50.000I know you like to make fun of the conservative millennial for talking about markets as a construct of Americanism.
01:07:56.000And, you know, some of that I agree with you about.
01:07:58.000But I will say that I agree that markets.
01:08:01.000And trust in markets is what has allowed people like Dr. Dre to assimilate into social classes where his family can access certain social mobility, you know, and so on and so forth.
01:08:36.000While people like me are trying to spread American values and getting people to buy into it, people like you are inherently dividing America with pleas of ethnic nationalism, and you're feeding into exactly what Black Lives Matter and Maratha have.
01:09:40.000The black murder rate, if you take it out of the American murder rate broadly, is comparable to the murder rate in West Africa and the rest of Africa.
01:09:48.000The murder rate of white America is comparable with Europe.
01:09:51.000You look at Detroit, and Detroit looks more like Haiti in many ways than it looks like cities in Wisconsin, cities in Michigan, cities in Illinois, like Springfield, or cities in Maine that are American but that are white.
01:10:05.000And you have to ask yourself has assimilation truly occurred?
01:10:27.000What if those lines weren't there to exploit?
01:10:30.000What if those lines weren't there to exacerbate or to highlight differences?
01:10:34.000What if everybody had their own home where they spoke the same language, where they looked the same, where they had the same ancestors like the most prosperous, safe, and free countries in Northern Europe?
01:10:46.000But it's kind of begging the question.
01:10:47.000You talk about fantasy, the civic nationalist argument is a fantasy that we're going to get Somalis and Chinese and Mexicans and Europeans and Muslims, and we're all just going to live together with contradictory beliefs, religions, values, histories, and none of that will ever be a problem.
01:11:04.000None of that will ever cause conflict.
01:11:06.000Okay, if you say so, I'm not willing to take the two.
01:11:40.000And I think you should check that out because you'll find that actually the poorest white neighborhoods are safer than the richest black neighborhoods.
01:11:59.000All I'm saying is that I think we look at these settlements in this country, and I think they are far more comparable to the places where they came from and where they supposedly assimilated into.
01:12:09.000I think if you look at Latin American neighborhoods in this country, I think if you look at black neighborhoods in this country, I think they look more like the neighborhoods where they came from than they look like anything that existed here.
01:12:20.000Prior to when they settled, Detroit was once a thriving and a great city.
01:12:26.000It was a great city, wealthy, working class, beautiful structures, beautiful architecture.
01:12:33.000And within how many years of white flight did it turn out not so great?
01:13:54.000So, you know, you're going to say, oh, it's because it was not an economic boomtown.
01:13:57.000You know, it had nothing to do with it.
01:13:59.000They burned the city to the ground because.
01:14:02.000Jerking yourself on, but all I'll say is tell all the viewers to just literally look up the decline of Detroit and it'll tell you that the automobile industry and the economic activity that went there had a huge impact and influence over whether or not that city was booming economically.
01:14:17.000So just look up the decline of Detroit.
01:14:30.000And I'm telling you, this is what happens.
01:14:32.000Poverty comes in an instance of hunger, and Detroit, white flight didn't happen because of blacks coming there.
01:14:39.000It happened because of the decline of the automobile industry.
01:14:41.000Nothing to do with the, had nothing to do with the race riots and people getting shot at and then burning.
01:14:47.000Yeah, and there has been so much scholarship that has been dedicated to explaining away these kinds of things.
01:14:52.000Well, it's not because of, not because of racial differences, it's because of um geography, it's because of economics, and there is, there has been so much scholarship dedicated to explaining away those differences.
01:15:49.000We were all in high school once, and we have these diverse high schools now.
01:15:53.000And what tends to happen when you walk into a high school lunchroom, in the absence of government mandated diversity, in the absence of any kind of mandates that you have to mix or you have to associate with other people, people tend to sort along these lines.
01:16:06.000And I was in high school, and even the Eastern European kids, the Serbs hung out with the Serbs, and the Croatians with the Croatians, but the blacks hung out with the blacks, Hispanics with Hispanics, Asians with Asians.
01:17:39.000If civic nationalism is so great, then why America, as a current civic nationalist state, is so degenerate, materialistic, and is making people miserable?
01:18:22.000The goal of sanctuary cities is to say that.
01:18:25.000Regardless of whatever kind of nationhood that exists, there should be a kind of sanctuary for people who do not belong to that kind of unified political creed.
01:18:34.000It's literally the antithesis of quote unquote civic nationalism.
01:18:39.000So, yes, I say get rid of sanctuary cities.
01:18:42.000Most rhinos or cucks, like people on the alt-right like to call me, will still probably argue that sanctuary cities have no place in America.
01:18:50.000And I think that's something Fuentes and I agree on.
01:19:16.000I get, you know, threatened and stuff like that.
01:19:18.000That's something, a line that I don't, I don't tell in terms of letting sanctuary cities exist.
01:19:22.000And I don't think that, um, you know, there's anything about removing sanctuary cities and, and, and, uh, civic nationalism that exists right there.
01:19:30.000I think, you know, I think those two things to me exist.
01:19:32.000Also, the second question, number one, I'd like to point out that that super chatter kind of agreed that America is a civic nationalist country.
01:19:39.000So, Nick, that although they're saying it's a degenerate country because it's a civic nationalist, they're agreeing with my assertion that America is a civic nationalist country.
01:19:48.000And on that question, yes, America is becoming more degenerate.
01:19:51.000I think that's because they're trying to feminize, they are trying to globalize, and they're trying to implement these kinds of themes in America that ultimately have no place to be there.
01:20:00.000I think that's a kind of opposition and contrast with traditional conservative values, which I'd like to see a restoration to, and most civic nationalists would.
01:20:11.000So I think the kind of sexual revolution stuff, and I think all of the stuff that's inherently anti Christian.
01:20:21.000Kind of ascribed to, you know, I guess, traditional, I guess, Western religion and stuff like that.
01:20:27.000But I think civic nationalists would agree that America's degeneracy is being caused by a feminization and a kind of globalization of our society, which I would also like to eradicate.
01:20:42.000So, you know, it's funny because there is, which hasn't been talked about so far, a direct correlation between the advent of mass immigration and the introduction.
01:20:52.000Of a civic nationalist, functionally and essentially, effectively civic nationalist identity in the country, and the complete collapse of community, the complete collapse of civics, civic institutions, civic organizations.
01:21:05.000This is detailed in another one, Robert Putnam's Bowling Alone.
01:21:08.000He talks about it how, even in North Dakota, this is a great example in the book, even in North Dakota, where you have a state that is racially homogeneous, even in communities where it's largely Scandinavians, there will still be, there will still be.
01:21:23.000The decline of community because of differences between Swedes and Nords, because of different kinds of Scandinavians.
01:21:31.000And you would think, you would think that in a country like the United States, in a place like North Dakota, and with groups as similar as the different kinds of people in Scandinavia, they would be, you know, you could get rid of those, you could live together in happiness and harmony and so on.
01:21:45.000But he shows that even between these marginally different groups, in a place where it should be e pluribus unum, there are still those frictions.
01:21:53.000It still exacerbates those frictions in the community.
01:22:07.000And then why do they have no community?
01:22:09.000It's because it's been, you've introduced people that don't speak the language.
01:22:12.000You've introduced people that don't share the same values, that don't share the same culture, that don't even think of themselves as Americans.
01:22:17.000And you have a loss of a racial identity.
01:22:19.000White people are told, you know, you don't have a culture, you don't have a history, you can't dance, you're not cool, and on and on.
01:22:26.000And so I think you can even ascribe a lot of the degeneracy, a lot of the decline of the country, even the youth.
01:22:31.000To the advent of this multicultural, multiethnic, multiracial, civic nationalist country where people are coming in and they're destroying the cohesiveness, the coherence of a country that was homogeneous.
01:22:44.000And even to go back to this, just dawned on me, even to go back to the argument with Detroit, which you tried to get a little snipe in there, there was an equivalent decline in the steel industry in Pittsburgh.
01:22:55.000So, like, you know, and granted, there was a decline in the auto industry in Detroit, but there was a similar decline in the steel industry of Pittsburgh.
01:23:12.000And I would challenge you point to me a single thriving black country or settlement in the entire world that can contest any other civilization.
01:23:33.000And if you have different racial groups with different aptitudes and you have different outcomes, well, then what is the fate of black people in America?
01:23:43.000If you have not one great world city in 3,000 years, not one written language until we got there, not one two story building, and even today, not one great country, not one great city, not one great settlement, what do you think of why we should be?
01:23:57.000I think you're forgetting about the great city of Wakanda.
01:24:15.000It's a good virtue signal for you, but it literally has no standing in this debate.
01:24:20.000That only answers the question of what, and you should, and this is an anthropological question.
01:24:24.000Maybe you should read Jared Diamond Guns, Germs, and Steel.
01:24:26.000Maybe you would understand what happened with colonialization and why people who have dark skin and those countries that have dark skin are not as modernized.
01:24:34.000That's literally a question of anthropology.
01:24:36.000But going back to the debate, You use Putnam analysis of bowling alone.
01:24:41.000And Putnam analysis here really just talks about the reason why these kinds of phenomena of crime and declining philanthropy happen because of what happens when social capital and social stock of that region declines.
01:24:55.000That is inherently, that's merely a statement that says that when you don't buy in to the social stock of that geopolitical area, there is conflict.
01:25:04.000Something that civic nationalists agree with.
01:25:07.000The problem there becomes when you talk about ethnic nationalism.
01:25:19.000These are historically non American concepts that are kind of starting to permeate contemporary American society.
01:25:25.000And that is an influence of globalism.
01:25:27.000That is an influence which is not a fault of civic nationalism because civic nationalism means we unite under the same set of American kind of value system and cultures and so on and so forth.
01:25:37.000So, yet again, another instance, civic nationalism would ameliorate and would just literally be exacerbated.
01:25:44.000By ethnic nationalism, because you would literally just cause conflict in a world where you see one's social stock in your mind starting to decline.
01:25:54.000Okay, but don't you see that the real difference here is that I have data, I have examples, I have historical precedent of people that don't work well together, and all you have is a hope.
01:26:04.000All you have is a hope is, well, let's try this.
01:26:10.000That's what we've been trying in America.
01:26:12.000We've been building human settlements for thousands of years, but We figured it out and we're going to try and try, and even though all the record of history is against us, even though okay, so so what you would have wanted is no, I let you, I let you know.
01:26:27.000So, are you saying that we shouldn't have built settlements?
01:26:30.000Hey, guys, we have to have some rules here.
01:26:33.000I know we don't exactly like the rule of law over there.
01:26:37.000But look, and when I bring up the fact that there's not a single, and you couldn't name it, you couldn't name a single settlement where they're successful or even on par or exceeding the success of other civilizations, the point is to demonstrate why are we, no, no, but again, even here, can you name a single place where there's like a thriving black neighborhood or city?
01:27:08.000Like, I don't know what your question is.
01:27:11.000You continue to ask this question about as a thriving black area as if that's somehow an answer to whether or not civic nationalism, yeah.
01:27:19.000The point is to demonstrate that you have different people, different peoples, different customs, cultures, and it is racial.
01:27:26.000The point is to demonstrate that if civic nationalism were true, then black people would have assimilated.
01:27:31.000They've been on this continent for 400 and some years, and they've had.
01:27:37.000Political equality, I guess, in the real sense, since the 1960s.
01:27:40.000And yet, they will not wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on, come on, guy.
01:27:45.000I mean, really, do you really have to rely on these interruptions?
01:27:48.000And yet, in these 58 years since they've achieved some degree of political equality, there has not been a catching up in outcomes.
01:27:57.000And what this demonstrates, if there was assimilation, you would see if civic nationalism could persist and we could try it and we could have it work with all different peoples, then the blacks in South.
01:28:09.000In the south side of Chicago, they would be doing well.
01:28:12.000They'd be doing as well as the north side of Chicago.
01:28:14.000And the blacks in Detroit would be doing as well as any other democratic city.
01:28:19.000But the fact of the matter is that even when left to their own devices, even when given political freedom, economic freedom, even when giving a leg up in the case of affirmative action, the outcomes are still different.
01:28:28.000And what that goes to show is that these are different peoples.
01:28:31.000And no amount of, you can pass out your Constitution pamphlets and you can pass out, you know, you can try and teach them what this country was all about.
01:28:38.000And maybe you could hope that in one or two generations, you can imbue.
01:28:42.000The experience of generations and centuries of people, not only on this continent, but in this culture.
01:28:49.000But again, the record of history is against that.
01:28:51.000It is simply not worn out by the facts.
01:28:54.000And you want to take the country on this experiment.
01:29:00.000So, first, you say, name an example of a colony that survived and did well.
01:29:07.000I think America is a great example of a colony that is performing phenomenally as a civic nationalist colony.
01:29:13.000And if you don't think, and we're finding And this is where we're finding more and more about your ideology.
01:29:18.000If you think that America is functionally as a failed colony, because of the way, let me continue.
01:29:25.000You're also finding more about your ideology in which you say that black people predominantly haven't assimilated.
01:29:31.000And maybe this is why, sure, yeah, I punch people and I can attack David Fire and break laws, and I'm still 20 times more employable by any political entity than you will ever be.
01:29:40.000Because I noticed that little cheap shot there, Charlottesville boy.
01:29:54.000Antonio Foreman was in Charlottesville, and that's one of my best friends.
01:29:58.000So ultimately, I think black people have assimilated.
01:30:01.000I think that there is infinite examples of proof.
01:30:04.000I guess Nick's answer is that no, in his mind, we're still out here doing Wakanda chants out here in Chicago, and that's why people are dying.
01:30:12.000No, Nick, you need to get to a next level of analysis.
01:30:15.000And this is where ethnic nationalist proponents ultimately fell.
01:30:19.000I still continue to tell you that area in Southside Chicago, they have that crime because they don't have economic opportunity.
01:30:28.000And this is, once again, me getting on my high horse and saying, yeah, capitalism resolves all because I legitimately believe if these people had markets they can access, if they had modes of opportunity economically, they wouldn't be killing people in the street.
01:30:41.000Additionally, I think it's also a question of family and kind of support of family structures.
01:30:46.000And this is where we get off into what has kind of caused black people as a whole to stagnate.
01:30:52.000Because I would say there's a good amount of African Americans that are functioning and thriving into society, but there are a lot of still folks who are behind.
01:31:00.000That's because they have subjected themselves to democratic modes of thinking where they think that they need handouts and they think that they don't need fathers in their life, and people are having multiple babies out of wedlock and so on and so forth.
01:31:12.000So, what Ben Shapiro says is true, and it still remains to be true.
01:31:16.000If you are black in America and you do not have a kid out of wedlock, you get a job and you go to college, you will be successful.
01:31:24.000Everyone isn't adopting that mindset, especially a predominant of people in Southside Chicago because they're just in a terrible poverty bred environment.
01:31:35.000Look up the words cyclical, systemic, and understand that some of these factors have an ability to kind of dwarf one's ability to transform and access other levels of society.
01:31:45.000So African Americans have assimilated.
01:32:13.000It's because the entire argument is based on a false premise.
01:32:17.000I mean, you consistently have to lie about my argument or pretend you didn't hear it or pretend you misheard it for you to have any leg to stand on.
01:32:25.000You started your response by saying, you said no colonies have been successful, which is an outright lie.
01:32:32.000You outright lie, or you're too stupid to understand.
01:33:48.000If you are saying, if you choose to ignore the fact that black outcomes, regardless of circumstance, regardless of geography, regardless of modern technology or equality or whatever, are still not at the same level as any other civilization, and you're saying, oh, well, it's systematic and it's cultural and it's whatever, I'm saying that's pathetic.
01:34:07.000Because you can look at other groups that have come here, you can look at the Jews, for example.
01:34:12.000In the 1860s, or I think it was the 1840s, where there was a big diaspora group of Jews who came to the country and they were poor, they had nothing when they came here, and within four years, more a higher GDP per capita than the native population.
01:34:36.000Where they have programs, where they have affirmative action, where how much federal, state, and local money is poured into programs in their schools, programs in their communities, and they get affirmative action and they get affirmative actions at jobs.
01:34:49.000You say you're more employable than me.
01:34:51.000Yeah, gee, I wonder why in the age of affirmative action.
01:34:54.000And I love you throw out these ad hominems because.
01:36:12.000Nick Winters is now, and this also says something about where Nick's mind is going in this discussion that he can't keep the debate on civic versus ethnic nationalism.
01:36:26.000Since you can't name an instance of black settlements being successful, then this proves that blacks and whites can't live together because we're just so different.
01:36:34.000And that doesn't resolve Latino culture, Asian culture.
01:36:38.000So even if I take your premise to be true, That blacks are so primitive, we can't live with white folks, your premise still wouldn't make sense because that wouldn't be a reason why ethnic nationalism should subsist.
01:36:50.000So you're continuing to have all these misnomers that have nothing to do with the debate simply because this is just what you believe.
01:36:56.000You're trying to put in little hints of your ideology to distract from the debate.
01:37:04.000And my question, what started this whole thing was assimilation is infinitely more possible than restructuring our entire system of governmentality in order to allow for ethno states to exist.
01:37:18.000You also haven't proven wrong that empirically separatist movements just fail.
01:37:23.000Black separatist movements have failed.
01:37:24.000And my goal is hopefully La Raza and indigenous and pro Latino separatist movements are also going to fail because they're just going to buy into Americanism, just like multiple families have.
01:37:36.000And I know this hates you, Nick, that people like myself and my family have access to, I guess, certain wealth you think only whites should have access to.
01:37:45.000But my grandmother worked with the LAPD.
01:37:50.000She was literally one of the first black female officers to work with the LAPD.
01:37:55.000So, what you think about a simulation has been proven false empirically, time and time again.
01:38:01.000And you can continue to say black people aren't civilized, which is functionally your argument.
01:38:07.000And this is why your ideology kind of just lives on the internet.
01:38:11.000And my ideology is into the mainstream, not because it's more digestible, because it's just more legitimate.
01:38:17.000It's more real world, it's more practical, and it's how people who have minds and think critically.
01:38:22.000Engage with the world and people who sit on the internet and just blame Jews and blacks for their inability to get access to political jobs like I have is what people like to do.
01:38:35.000We have to address this because it's become so distracting.
01:38:39.000I mean, here I've made the case that civic nationalism can't work because assimilation can't work, and civic nationalism rests on the assumption that different peoples from different places can adopt the same beliefs and live in the same manners.
01:38:53.000What I've attempted to do is show that through different outcomes, through different ways of living, assimilation is not possible.
01:38:58.000And therefore, people would have to live amongst each other with a great amount of difference that can't be abrogated by simply adopting the same culture.
01:39:05.000I've made that argument factually with historical examples that you might disagree with, but with historical examples, with some data on the question.
01:39:14.000And you come at me, your response to this is to essentially call me a racist, is to essentially call me a white supremacist, is to say, to brag about how.
01:39:26.000I sat through your drivel to say how you're more employable than me, and you just blame Jews on the internet and your idea.
01:39:33.000And it is just, I think it has to be called out for what it is, which is it's floundering because you cannot look at the overwhelming body of evidence historically, in terms of statistics, in terms of the record in this country, and say that civic nationalism is anything but a hope.
01:39:50.000And we can go back, and you say you want to go back to the original argument, which is civic nationalism versus ethnic nationalism.
01:39:56.000And you say, even if I take your premise for true, Well, it still wouldn't matter because of Latin Americans.
01:40:03.000Let's say that there are real biological differences between the races.
01:40:07.000Let's say if we look at the IQ data, the SAT scores, the ACT scores, we look at the history with all these different countries living together and peoples living together.
01:40:15.000And let's say there are real differences between racial groups.
01:40:18.000Do you believe that real different peoples, real different tribes that have biological differences, do you think that these people with different values that have evolved over time, different strategies that have evolved over time, Do you think that they can all live together in the same polity, sharing the same resources and the same government, even though the record of every country in the world today, the record of every country in the world in history, and the record of this country in particular stands against you?
01:40:44.000Do you honestly believe that if you take this premise?
01:40:48.000Yeah, you kind of just went on a huge little diatribe there, and I'll just respond to pretty much everything you kind of just said.
01:40:55.000So you say that you have overwhelmingly won this debate because I operate in a fantasy world where I say civic nationalism is a good thing.
01:41:03.000Yeah, you said I called you a racist and whatever you said, a white supremacist.
01:41:07.000I've never used any of those terminologies.
01:41:09.000That's just an instance of you trying to categorize me to a leftist, which, by the way, is something that I have proven overwhelmingly that you are.
01:41:17.000So I have proven overwhelmingly that civic nationalism is, in fact, more possible and more realistic than ethnic nationalism ever would be.
01:41:26.000Proof of that is the fact that America currently lives under a civic nationalist framework, not an ethnic nationalist.
01:41:33.000Sure, there may be problems on the horizon, but I have argued and proved that those problems are not because of civic nationalism.
01:41:40.000In fact, stopping mass immigration and stopping those who don't want to assimilate from coming into our country is exactly what civic nationalists like myself believe.
01:41:48.000Additionally, in addition to proving that civic nationalism is already the framework used by America now, I've also proven that ethnic nationalism were responsible for wars.
01:41:58.000I highlighted World War I. Are you reading off the script there?
01:42:36.000But if I can continue, I've proven that ethnic nationalism is more prone to violence.
01:42:41.000I've highlighted World War I and World War II as examples of this.
01:42:45.000Nick said, no, those wars were caused because you didn't give ethnic nationalists what they want.
01:42:50.000But I've proven to you, if the geopolitical system already exists and you're just pissed because someone who is German is ruling over someone who is an ethnic Slav, that is an instance of you using ethnic nationalism as a violent ideology to cause a world war.
01:43:04.000That's not just, that's not saying you should have given the ethnic nationalists their way.
01:43:08.000It literally proved that ethnic nationalists ultimately result into violence.
01:43:11.000So I've proven that it's a violent ideology.
01:43:14.000I've also proven it's impossible to implement.
01:43:17.000Nick outlined three reasons and areas where we can implement.
01:43:21.000He said we stopped mass migration, something I agree should happen.
01:43:24.000But then he started talking about things such as advocating for incentives in the birth rate for, I guess, white Europeans, and I guess a scenario where African Americans or Latinos would essentially have to leave.
01:43:36.000That literally causes all out violence.
01:43:38.000That literally violates the Constitution.
01:43:40.000Those kind of constitutional amendments would literally cause a civil war.
01:43:44.000This is what happens when you use internet kind of themes like white nationalism and try to use them in a practical, analytical sense.
01:45:06.000I think for anybody that's been paying attention to what's been said, it's quite clear that not only have you straw manned me the entire time, but you've refused to engage with, dispute, or address any of the points that I've raised.
01:45:19.000The failure of Blacks or Hispanics to assimilate, the failure of any multicultural, multiethnic, Civic nationalist polity to thrive in world history or even today?
01:45:29.000And you dance around this, and your central contention isn't even about civic nationalism.
01:45:33.000It's just kind of this very flaccid, very weak call to action, which is to attempt to discredit ethnic nationalism by saying, ah, this is just an ideology on the internet, and I'm trying to unite the people, and he's trying to divide the people.
01:45:48.000So it's just really stunning how you take, you know, and look, I've cited books on books on books on this subject about American identity, about the difference between groups.
01:46:00.000About the decline of community as a result of heterogeneous compounds.
01:46:24.000I could show you Federalist papers, which called for the Constitution to be ratified.
01:46:28.000I mean, your argument rests on the fact that the consequences of ethnic nationalism being true would be difficult and uncomfortable.
01:46:35.000Your argument is essentially an argument about how we would impose the different systems, but not about the actual systems in and of themselves.
01:47:14.000I mean, you continue to say the word American identity.
01:47:17.000And when you say American identity and you posit that the American identity is good, you know what you're doing, Nick.
01:47:22.000You're subscribing to civic nationalism.
01:47:24.000You might not be able to get that through your sixth goal, and you can continue to criticize my, you know, and you say that, you know, I guess we're debating like college debaters.
01:47:33.000Yes, Nick, we did this pretty much professionally, getting paid thousands of dollars to travel around colleges and engage them in dialogue.
01:47:42.000We are engaging in dialogue the correct way.
01:47:46.000You continue to say that we're not, but this is how debates function.
01:47:55.000In fact, you've only pigeonholed yourself and you pretty much admitted, yes, ethnic nationalism as a practical instantiation is impossible.
01:48:03.000You pretty much admitted, ethnic nationalism as a practical instantiation is impossible.
01:48:09.000And that's literally what the debate is.
01:48:31.000Yeah, I mentioned how after World War I, African Americans were told to go in to take these factory jobs that they didn't want to give to European migrants.
01:48:40.000That's called literally the Great Migration of 1 million African Americans from the South, migrating from the South to the North in order to take these jobs.
01:49:03.000There are Latinos who have legally migrated to the United States that are just as American as you and I because they have adopted, they have assimilated.
01:49:12.000And you also say, well, I proved that ethnic nationalism isn't un American because here are some quotes from presidents showing concerns with the ability for Negroes to assimilate.
01:49:22.000And I say, yes, those presidents may have had those concerns as a lot of people did, as black scholars had concerns.
01:49:28.000About whether or not African Americans can engage civilly in quote unquote white society.
01:49:43.000And the fact that you continue to make the debate about proven instance of a black settlement that is like successful shows where your mind is and your inability to understand that in order to win this debate, that is literally not a consequence.
01:49:57.000That literally has nothing to do with the debate.
01:50:32.000Saddam Hussein doesn't win 97% of the vote.
01:50:35.000Joseph Stalin doesn't win 97% of the vote.
01:50:37.000And yet, you make the case that, oh, well, because blacks move from the South, To the north.
01:50:44.000And even though they went up there and, and, you know, people flew out of Detroit, they flew out of Detroit and they destroyed what was there.
01:50:52.000And you use an example from a time when white immigration was increasing the proportion of whites in the country against the general population.
01:50:59.000So these, you can, and you have the same collection of talking points and you can pretend you're not hearing my arguments and you can straw man me.
01:51:07.000You could say, Oh, well, it's actually this or it's actually that.
01:51:09.000And you could just repeat what you're saying.
01:51:11.000But the people that are watching this are furious because we see with our own eyes every day.
01:51:16.000And we see in history and we see in the facts, there are real differences.
01:51:23.000The real fault lines, I let you finish between people, and these are not going to be reconciled by this flag toting flag.
01:51:30.000We're all just in this, we just have to work hard enough.
01:51:33.000If we just, hey, if we just make enough community centers, then these Somalis who, you know, maybe five years ago they were cutting each other's heads off in Somalia in the name of Allah and they were in clan warfare.
01:51:44.000Well, in a generation, if we give them enough, John Locke and Voltaire.
01:51:49.000They'll be as American as Alexander Hamilton.
01:51:51.000And we could take these people from MS 13 in El Salvador that are rolling people's heads down the pyramid steps and they're burning people alive.
01:51:58.000Well, hey, you know, if we just get them into the Heritage Foundation's Constitution class, well, they'll just be as American as the Anglo Americans that settled on Plymouth Rock.
01:52:22.000Say whatever you want, but what's coming is coming.
01:52:24.000Inevitably, there will be an ethnic conflict in this country.
01:52:27.000There will be racial conflict in this country.
01:52:29.000And the question becomes how are we going to weather that?
01:52:32.000Will we weather that with a peaceful settlement, or will we, in pursuit of this lofty, liberal, progressive vision of everyone, you know, John Lennon's Imagine Song, living together hand in hand, destroy the very foundations of what gave us our wealth and our freedom in the first place?
01:53:05.000This is the reason why you wouldn't have been a great college debater, Nick, because you continue to miss lines of argumentation and say that I've been non responsive to claims that I have directly responded to and answered with Warren.
01:53:17.000So you continue to say 95% voted for Obama.
01:53:21.000Nick, that has nothing to do with the simulation.
01:53:30.000Assimilation is all about cultures coming into different cultures and kind of like, you know, uniting under a system of like beliefs, values, ethics, and so on and so forth.
01:53:41.000So when Americans, when black Americans go to the poll and they vote for people who are registered under Democrat, under Barack Obama, that's not an act of breaking a simulation.
01:53:52.000They're literally participating in the American democratic system.
01:55:23.000This is my Hillman evidence that I mentioned earlier that said that inevitably people are going to create conflict based upon different faith, different ethnicity, different culture, different anything.
01:55:41.000That's the whole thing you just conceded it.
01:55:43.000That's my analysis that I started this debate with saying that there are multiple different things that cause this conflict, and ethnicity is not that.
01:55:51.000And civil war is literally don't make him get the knife out.
01:55:55.000In the civil war, you had whites in the north versus whites in the south, and whites in the blacks in the south versus blacks in the north because they were fighting over ideologies, they were fighting over states' rights, they were fighting under political concepts that they weren't unified under.
01:56:10.000And if they were actually civic nationalists and if they were adopting a kind of symbolism under a singular political creed.
01:56:25.000It's coming between the people who are Americans versus the people who are globalists.
01:56:29.000It's coming between the people who are communists versus the people who are capitalists.
01:56:33.000It's going to happen right here in America, but it's not a race war, Nick.
01:56:36.000It's going to be a war that is much bigger than that.
01:56:40.000And we're likely going to be on the same side unless you maybe form a little counter group of, I guess, just the People who are Spanish and identify as cunning.
01:56:53.000Tell me this conflict that's coming isn't going to be a conflict between Americans versus globalists and Americans versus illegals and Americans versus commies.
01:57:20.000I mean, it's just, I wonder what the reaction is online because the amount of evasion here.
01:57:25.000I mean, let's just get right into it where you say that black voting 97% for Barack Obama does not disprove assimilation.
01:57:35.000That you say, well, they're participating in the democratic process, but they're not participating in the democratic process the way that anybody else does.
01:57:42.000You know, if you look at white Americans, white Americans, I don't think ever have voted 97% for one candidate.
01:57:50.000And the reason being is because it's never going to get a black candidate, dipshit.
01:59:16.000The time that that happened, black people not once but twice voted more than 95% for somebody who was their same ethnic group, for somebody who looked like them.
02:00:43.000You know, when it's like 60%, whatever, you know, you could say, okay, whatever.
02:00:48.000But when you're getting up to 98%, I just find that, I mean, people are obviously voting as an ethnic group in certain ways, at least in the case of Doug Jones.
02:01:00.000So I guess my question for RC would be like, do you recognize that there is a problem in the black community with voting Democrat?
02:01:12.000Like, because I personally, in my opinion, Seem to see some of those correlations.
02:02:13.000There is a huge problem with the way the monolithic black voter is engaging in voting.
02:02:18.000And I think this is more the problem to identify than non assimilation.
02:02:23.000A bunch of blacks voting for Obama doesn't show something with assimilation, it shows that it was a timely choice of candidate for the Democrats.
02:02:30.000To pick for them to pick a black person, timely that they made him a perfect puppet robot of a candidate to run.
02:02:37.000And additionally, it shows that monolithically, blacks are voting in unison for Democrats.
02:02:43.000That's why blacks voted in unison for Doug Jones, and he wasn't black.
02:02:50.000That's because, like I've been trying to explain to you, Nick, this is bigger than race.
02:02:54.000This is why I say the big conflict that is going to happen is going to happen not among racial lines, but it's going to happen amongst political lines.
02:03:04.000That's interesting because if we divided it among political lines, if we just did it by the demographics for the last special election, it would be 97% black against, however, you know, it would be all the blacks essentially versus whites and some blacks.
02:03:19.000So you're right, it wouldn't be a racial war.
02:03:21.000It would just be an ideological war in which all the blacks are firmly on one side, right?
02:03:26.000Because if, of course, if they're not just voting for a black guy by 97%, they're voting for a Democrat by 98%.
02:03:33.000And that disputes the fact that they act as a corporate entity, right?
02:04:10.000My argument isn't that all whites subscribe to My argument has been that civic nationalism is more prevalent, positive ideology than ethnic nationalism.
02:04:18.000That's what this debate is entirely about.
02:05:19.000Well, yeah, it turned out that Paul Nealon's spokesperson, Ebola America, was actually a homosexual, degenerate Jew who was on meth and had all these mental issues.
02:05:34.000And, you know, of course, there's nothing wrong with the fact that he's Jewish.
02:06:19.000And then I'll pound through the super chats.
02:06:21.000And thank you, everyone, again for being a part of this.
02:06:23.000I think this was monumental and very legendary.
02:06:30.000Well, if I'll just end with an ending statement, it'll be this.
02:06:34.000I've proven overwhelmingly that ethnic nationalism cannot be practically instituted in the United States without literally causing a host of problems, genocide, and so on and so forth.
02:06:47.000Nick's answer is sure, even though that may happen, that's really not the crux of the debate because we're talking about what's right.
02:06:55.000I've explained time and time again the only way to explain what is right is to look through history.
02:07:00.000And to look through a practical implementation of X ideology or concepts.
02:07:05.000Historically, ethnic nationalism caused World War I because the ethnic Slavs couldn't stand the fact that France Ferdinand was ruling over.
02:07:30.000Nick Fuentes is going to go ahead and do his grandstanding like he won a debate without, number one, Disproving that ethnic nationalism didn't cause a host of world civil conflicts.
02:07:39.000His only argument was, you should have given ethnic nationalists our way.
02:07:43.000And if you've given us our way, things would have been fine.
02:07:45.000But that ignores the fact that social acceleration has made it to the point where geopolitical lines have been drawn, and they're not drawn along ethnic lines.
02:07:54.000So the thing is simple do you continue to advocate for ethnic nationalism, which is improbable, impractical, and literally only results in never ending wars and genocide?
02:08:05.000Or are you going to utilize what the United States used that's continued to work, which is civic nationalism, concepts that all of us can unite under a singular political creed, and that would be able to ameliorate some of the kinds of violence that we see today?
02:08:19.000I've proven that some of the problems we're seeing in America is because Latinos are refusing, illegal Latinos, excuse me, are refusing to assimilate because they're coming over and they're not having that kind of source of kinship that people that legally migrate over here get when they take their citizenship test and so on and so forth.
02:08:38.000So, I've continued to prove time and time again that civic nationalism is literally the way.
02:08:43.000And Nick pigeonholed himself into a situation where he didn't argue we're full of ethnic nationalism.
02:08:49.000All of his little alt right buddies who are watching his stream, you guys are going to obviously tell Nick how he cut that because he didn't advocate for full pledge ethnic nationalism.
02:08:57.000In fact, what he kind of watered himself down to is yeah, the United States will be fine if we just stop migration.
02:09:10.000Migration, chain migration, and all this illegal immigration happening in the United States.
02:09:15.000And the reason I believe that is because it'll create more of a sense of Americanism.
02:09:19.000It'll unite people under a singular kind of American way of life, which I think is just way more positive than ethnic nationalism.
02:09:26.000And lastly, I've also proven, which Nick has failed to argue, that ethnic nationalism is impossible because of social acceleration.
02:09:34.000Everyone has diluted their gene pool to the point where people with the last name Fuentes are literally advocating for themselves to revert back to the system where he himself.
02:09:43.000Would get shipped to Wakanda alongside RC9.
02:10:14.000John Jay, who said from the second Federalist It has often given me pleasure to observe that independent America was not composed of detached, And distant territories, but that one connected, fertile, wide spreading country was the portion of our Western Sons of Liberty.
02:10:32.000Providence has, in a particular manner, blessed it with a variety of soils and productions and watered it with innumerable streams for the delight and accommodation of its inhabitants.
02:10:44.000With equal pleasure, I have as often taken notice that Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people, a people descended from the same ancestors.
02:10:56.000Speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs, and who, by their joint councils, arms, and efforts, fighting side by side throughout a long and bloody war, have nobly established general liberty and independence.
02:11:16.000I mean, that's John Jay, who wrote the Federalist Papers, which was the basis for justifying and passing the Constitution, for ratifying the Constitution.
02:11:23.000And you could read a number of other books.
02:11:25.000I think the record is clear from this debate, but.
02:11:27.000Some good books, Bowling Alone, Robert Putnam, Who Are We, Sam Huntington, The Bell Curve, Charles Murray.
02:11:33.000It lays out essentially the case, and that's just some further reading, but basically to suggest that throughout time and history, throughout the history of the world, throughout the history of this country, in the world today, there is not a single country that is multi ethnic, multi racial, or multi religious under a single polity that is safe, that is wealthy, that is prosperous, even in the history of this country.
02:11:58.000And different people have come into the country.
02:12:00.000The country has become more divided, more violent, less wealthy.
02:12:32.000Well, here's my plan for how we achieve it, or here's why it's more practical, but simply that, like gravity, all things must come down.
02:12:39.000This civic nationalist structure, as it is effectively existing now, cannot long endure.
02:12:44.000When you have 150 million Hispanics by mid century that are speaking Spanish, professing their own religion, different manners and customs, I wonder how they'll fare with our country.
02:12:54.000I wonder if we can have enough constitution classes to get them on the same page.
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02:18:23.000So basically, it's oh, sorry we destroyed the U.S. by importing third world populations into it, but you can't do anything because they're already here.
02:20:26.000If you still buy the historical narrative about World War II, you must watch the informative documentary, The Greatest Story Never Told, Break the Conditioning, TruthWillOut.tv.
02:21:14.000If civic nationalism is so great, then why America as a current civic nationalist state is so degenerate, materialistic, and is making people miserable?
02:21:23.000Yeah, so I actually read that during the debate.
02:23:36.000I think both these guys can agree more freedom, less government would be a net good, but good luck without achieving that without a white minority.
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02:29:38.000I'm doing my thing out here in Alaska.
02:29:40.000I'm taking a trip to LA soon, so I will see you guys.
02:29:45.000I'll do some streams from LA very soon.
02:29:46.000But like I said, Wednesday, we have Joe Biggs and Destiny at 8 p.m. Eastern Time.
02:29:53.000It's going to be one of the best debates, I think.
02:29:56.000Kyler with a super chat here Red pill suppository.
02:29:59.000Yeah, we're getting a lot of red pills on here, and I think it's important to try to be as fair as I can to both sides and get different opinions on here, get leftist opinions, get right wing opinions, alt right.
02:30:22.000I will let pretty much anyone come on here.
02:30:24.000So if you guys have requests, if there's someone you really want to see on here, I know a lot of people have been asking for Ben Shapiro to come on.