America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - Nick Fuentes vs The Trans Community & Destiny

00:00:01.000 And we're live.

00:00:02.000 Hello, everyone, and welcome to the, for lack of a better name, to Electric Boogaloo stream, which was initially going to be a conversation about the future of the mega movement.

00:00:12.000 However, there's been an interesting turn of events since deciding that name and an interesting amalgamation of characters who agreed to join in the conversation.

00:00:22.000 So I just feel that this opportunity would be wasted to focus on such a limiting topic.

00:00:29.000 So instead, I want to veer the conversation more towards the future that each individual in this conversation wants to see for Western civilization, because truly I believe that is why many of us discuss politics in the first place.

00:00:42.000 This is why we debate, why we partake in dialogue about current affairs, because we want to mold a future into something sustainable that holds our values and will be enjoyable for generations who will inherit it from us.

00:00:54.000 So once we've sort of established where people stand on this in the chat, the floor will be open to debate, critique, and inevitably.

00:01:02.000 Dissolve into things that are completely off topic and irrelevant to the initial conversation.

00:01:06.000 But hopefully, this will be entertaining for you on this lovely Sunday evening.

00:01:11.000 So, today we don't have everyone in the chat with us to start.

00:01:15.000 Right now, we have Nick Fuentes from the.

00:01:18.000 Nick, can you give a little intro for yourself?

00:01:20.000 Yeah, sure.

00:01:21.000 So, I am the co founder of America First Media and the host of America First, the nightly show.

00:01:28.000 And so, I'm in business with James Alsa.

00:01:30.000 So, that's me.

00:01:32.000 That's my movement.

00:01:33.000 Perfect.

00:01:34.000 And then we've got No Bullshit, who has a YouTube channel kind of in the anti SJW sphere.

00:01:39.000 No Bullshit, could you give us a little intro?

00:01:41.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.86

00:01:42.000 Thanks for having me on.

00:01:43.000 Good to see everybody.

00:01:44.000 Good to see the chat going crazy.

00:01:46.000 No Bullshit here on YouTube.

00:01:47.000 I do some funny, entertaining, politically driven videos.

00:01:51.000 Also, touch on social movies, TV, and stuff like that, too.

00:01:56.000 Perfect.

00:01:57.000 And of course, a lot of you know Roaming Millennial.

00:02:00.000 Hey, thanks for having me.

00:02:02.000 Absolutely.

00:02:03.000 Wonderful intro, Roaming.

00:02:04.000 That was just great.

00:02:05.000 Honestly, I don't need anything.

00:02:08.000 I don't need to say anything.

00:02:10.000 Well, I'm on YouTube, like no BS.

00:02:13.000 I'm a conservatorian civic nationalist.

00:02:15.000 I guess that would be how you most easily describe me.

00:02:18.000 And yeah, you can check my channel out if you haven't seen any of my videos, social, political commentary.

00:02:23.000 You guys know the drill.

00:02:25.000 Perfect.

00:02:26.000 Now, of course, we are missing.

00:02:27.000 We mostly have all the right wingers in here right now. 0.96

00:02:30.000 Don't worry, this is not going to be a circle jerk.

00:02:33.000 Joining us soon will be Theron Meyer. 0.74

00:02:36.000 A more centrist, a little bit right wing YouTuber who is very, very critical of the alt right, though.

00:02:43.000 And of course, ContraPoints, who is a left wing YouTuber that, oh, who just jumped in here?

00:02:48.000 I think we got everyone's favorite, Destiny, joining us as well.

00:02:55.000 Destiny, could you give us a little bit of an intro?

00:02:58.000 Hey, what's up?

00:02:59.000 I do video games and politics.

00:03:00.000 I think most people here probably know who I am.

00:03:02.000 I think I've talked to most of you at one point or another, right?

00:03:04.000 Fuentes, I remember.

00:03:06.000 Lauren, I remember.

00:03:07.000 And then Rumming Millennial, I've seen you say a couple things. 0.77

00:03:10.000 And then, no bullshit, we've had the pleasure of talking a few times.

00:03:13.000 What's up? 0.97

00:03:13.000 Good to hear from you, man. 0.97

00:03:16.000 All right.

00:03:16.000 And then Theron Meyer.

00:03:18.000 Hi, guys.

00:03:19.000 Sorry if these intros are taking a while.

00:03:21.000 Thank you for having me on, Lauren.

00:03:22.000 Hi, guys.

00:03:23.000 So let's start things out with Nick.

00:03:23.000 Of course.

00:03:23.000 All right.

00:03:26.000 You are probably the most far right on this stream.

00:03:30.000 So you would see a very different future from the ones that people, even on the alt light or, of course, Steven or ContraPoints, would see.

00:03:37.000 Where do you think you veer off?

00:03:39.000 From the traditional right, people like Roaming Millennial and myself, and why do you think the future you foresee with more of the alt right is preferable?

00:03:49.000 Sure.

00:03:49.000 So, where I veer off from the alt light, where I veer off from a lot of these new characters that came about since the election, is I'm a traditionalist, a traditionalist conservative, more accurately.

00:04:00.000 So, whereas many people in the alt light are classical liberals, self described classical liberals, I define myself as a traditionalist conservative in that I value order, hierarchy, tradition, ritual over things like freedom, over things like economic liberty that a lot of the Ben Shapiro types enjoy.

00:04:19.000 So, my vision for the country is a country that Is producing children again as a country that has Jesus Christ at its core, a country that has the family at its core, and a country fundamentally that people enjoy living in and is healthy for people's mental and soul, you know, their minds and their souls, so to speak.

00:04:38.000 And so I think that's preferable in a lot of ways because you look at the Reagan Revolution, for example, as kind of a good example of the triumph of classical liberalism, this purely materialist vision of our country and of the West, and you see that we still, even though we have wealth, even though we have freedom, We still have suicide epidemics.

00:04:57.000 We still have drug epidemics.

00:04:58.000 We still have all kinds of symptoms of a society that is not working.

00:05:04.000 And so that's why my vision, I think, would work because we're getting back to a country that is functional, that has the fundamentals right.

00:05:11.000 Now, would you consider yourself alt right, just to clarify things?

00:05:16.000 I technically don't consider myself alt right only because they tend to lose me on the pure racialism, the identitarianism, and specifically the racialist strand of identitarianism.

00:05:28.000 I'm not about that. 0.64

00:05:30.000 But do you want like a white America? 0.88

00:05:32.000 Would you say that is? 0.92

00:05:33.000 I want a white supermajority in America, yeah. 0.99

00:05:36.000 Okay. 1.00

00:05:37.000 Now, no bullshit, roaming millennial. 0.99

00:05:39.000 Theron, don't worry, Stephen, I will get to you. 0.95

00:05:41.000 Would you say that you have any disagreements with Nick on this?

00:05:48.000 Well, I'm someone who is also on the right.

00:05:52.000 Something that, from what I've just heard him say, I do disagree with is that I'm someone who's on the right, but I am someone who leans libertarian.

00:05:59.000 And from the sounds of it, Nick, you kind of lean more to the authoritarian side.

00:06:03.000 So, I'm someone who, like Ben Shapiro, really values my things like economic freedom, individual liberty, things like that.

00:06:10.000 And so, that's probably a disagreement we would have.

00:06:12.000 And that's also one of the, among many disagreements that I have with people who tend to be more on the alt right.

00:06:17.000 I tend to see this desire for, I guess, not, you know, the social justice more left leaning type of government regulations, but still a very strong state or a very strong state power.

00:06:30.000 And that's, I'm someone who I want small government.

00:06:33.000 And big community involvement, big churches, things like that.

00:06:35.000 It's not that I'm a libertarian who thinks, like, yeah, you know, we'll all just do drugs and have no roads, that kind of thing, no control.

00:06:41.000 I'm just someone who would rather those sort of, I guess, tempering influences come from things like smaller communities, churches, even on the state level, things like that.

00:06:53.000 Now, Stephen, what are your issues with adorable sweater man and wonderful small government deal?

00:07:00.000 Because I know you're probably seething there.

00:07:03.000 About people not doing drugs anymore and having traditional families.

00:07:08.000 Basically, the undeniable reality right now is that the world is headed towards a more kind of globalist, whatever you want to call it, thing.

00:07:17.000 And that it's probably the best thing that we can do is make sure that we kind of integrate ourselves into that world as effectively as possible to ensure that as many people are kept free and happy and economically prosperous as possible rather than to try to hold on to this idea that we can keep the country looking like it did 50 or 100 or 150 years ago.

00:07:37.000 Why do you think this future is going to be more economically prosperous than what we had 50 years ago, this globalist future you envision?

00:07:45.000 Why will that be a positive thing for the future?

00:07:50.000 For me personally, I mean, I'm a capitalist.

00:07:51.000 I'm a strong believer in capitalism.

00:07:53.000 And in terms of globalist policy generally being good for economics, that's not really an issue that's debated by any, I guess, any economist that I've ever heard of.

00:08:02.000 The ability to work together with other countries to capitalize on each other's advantages, these are things that are generally accepted by pretty much all economists to be incredibly economically beneficial things.

00:08:10.000 Of course, they bring other problems as well, but those are problems that I would hope to address rather than, I guess, some people kind of want to throw out the whole system because there are a couple things wrong with it and then go back.

00:08:20.000 To whatever we had 50 or 100 years ago.

00:08:23.000 You're being shockingly reasonable right now.

00:08:25.000 But we do have contrapoints here now.

00:08:28.000 To be unreasonable.

00:08:29.000 Sometimes.

00:08:30.000 Contrapoints, welcome.

00:08:31.000 Thank you for coming on the stream. 0.99

00:08:33.000 I know you guys can get in shit for associating with us horrible fascist Nazis on right wing YouTube. 0.95

00:08:41.000 But do tell me what your vision is for the future and where you would veer off from people like myself, Nick, and Roaming Millennial and others. 0.99

00:08:51.000 Well, I would like to see an America that is a juster and fairer version of the one we already have, which is to say, a country built by waves of immigration and not Disneyland for white supremacists.

00:09:04.000 Disneyland for white supremacists.

00:09:05.000 Nick, you have a problem with that. 0.91

00:09:08.000 Oh, boy. 1.00

00:09:08.000 Well, it's just funny to me because these people who talk about equality in one breath and then talk about mass immigration in another, what do you think is going to happen when you import people from the third world? 1.00

00:09:19.000 You're going to get the same brutalism, the same despotism, the same tyranny. 1.00

00:09:23.000 The same low IQ of the third world in our country. 0.93

00:09:26.000 I just don't see how you square this circle. 1.00

00:09:28.000 What happened when you had waves of Italian immigrants or Irish immigrants? 1.00

00:09:32.000 People that was the equivalent of the third world back then. 0.66

00:09:34.000 No, no, those were followers of Christ, those were Europeans and average IQs. 0.78

00:09:38.000 You seriously believe that followers of Christ are going to. 0.99

00:09:43.000 You really think?

00:09:44.000 I mean, what's up?

00:09:47.000 Aren't Mexicans Catholics too, primarily?

00:09:49.000 In the early 21st century, the Catholic tribe, the Irish Catholics, it was viewed as papist invasion.

00:09:54.000 Like, I mean, it's essentially the same argument.

00:09:57.000 I mean, there's differences between Italians and Anglos, for example, but the differences between Mediterraneans and Anglos is a lot smaller than the differences between Sub Saharan Africans and Anglos.

00:09:57.000 No, it's not.

00:10:12.000 I don't think anyone would argue.

00:10:13.000 If you grant that this racist pseudoscience is correct.

00:10:17.000 No, but I mean, we're not even talking about genetically, but just culturally, you have to admit that a Judeo Christian culture, and I'm including Mexico in this, is.

00:10:27.000 Is more, that's right.

00:10:28.000 I'm bringing the Jews into this as well.

00:10:29.000 I'm counting them.

00:10:31.000 They're going to be more similar and have an easier time integrating than individuals from somewhere from like a predominantly Muslim culture.

00:10:38.000 And I think we're seeing that, like, historically speaking, even people from Latin America are having an easier time assimilating culturally than what we're seeing in Europe right now with migrants from largely Muslim countries, right? 0.60

00:10:49.000 There is that cultural difference that is harder to breach the more different the cultures are.

00:10:54.000 When you say cultural difference, like, I don't understand where this idea is.

00:10:57.000 It's so funny hearing this because, like, in America, we don't have one culture.

00:11:00.000 Like, if you take somebody that lives in LA and you try to transplant them to a city in Alabama, or you even take somebody from New York and try to take them and transplant them to San Francisco, these are incredibly different cultures.

00:11:10.000 What is this unifying?

00:11:12.000 What are some traits of this unifying American culture?

00:11:15.000 As someone who grew up overseas in Asia and things like that, let me tell you there are cultural differences between East Coast and West Coast.

00:11:22.000 Absolutely.

00:11:22.000 People, you know, cold and I guess always in a rush in New York, more laid back and friendly in LA.

00:11:29.000 Those differences pale in comparison to the differences we see when we're talking about.

00:11:34.000 You know, like say Saudi Arabian culture, just basic things like are respecting someone's right to freedom of religion.

00:11:39.000 Well, so like respecting women's rights, respecting the rights of.

00:11:42.000 When you say women's rights, it's really interesting that you say that because if you look at somebody like LA, like if you take somebody from LA and you take their view on women's rights, you would find a lot more similarities between like a conservative like Lauren Southern, her view on women's rights, comparable to like a Muslim, than you would to somebody in LA, right?

00:11:58.000 The idea that women need to cover up, that they shouldn't show too much skin. 0.75

00:12:01.000 Yeah, sure. 0.99

00:12:02.000 So like when you get conservatives to say that. 1.00

00:12:04.000 Lauren is not.

00:12:05.000 Closer to someone who is an Islamic fundamentalist. 0.91

00:12:08.000 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

00:12:09.000 In terms of, like, in terms of women wear to be presentable in public, this is very much a fundamentalist religious idea that women need to cover up in order to be presentable. 0.91

00:12:18.000 Let me clarify the difference is the choice to do so and that it is not enforced by being stoned into the freaking ground by your Sharia police. 0.66

00:12:28.000 I think it should be a choice. 0.99

00:12:29.000 I always have been more libertarian on the values of yes, women should be traditional. 0.99

00:12:33.000 Yes, I believe you should not be running around like Myra Lee Cyrus with a dildo strapped to you with. 1.00

00:12:38.000 Your tits out. 1.00

00:12:39.000 I think that's ridiculous. 1.00

00:12:40.000 I don't think it's productive to a good society or anything that has produced a good society with the nuclear family. 0.95

00:12:47.000 However, I don't believe you should be stoned for not doing so. 0.96

00:12:50.000 And I think that is the fundamental difference between Islamic cultures, who do believe in this culture of submission, and the European Western. 0.91

00:12:59.000 But that's not as liberal. 0.92

00:13:00.000 I keep saying Islamic culture.

00:13:01.000 That's the culture of some very particular Islamic societies.

00:13:04.000 We don't stone people.

00:13:06.000 That's the case from Morocco. 0.96

00:13:08.000 To the Philippines.

00:13:09.000 I'm sorry, can you tell me when Muslims in America have stoned a woman for not wearing a hijab?

00:13:12.000 Can you give me an extremely well integrated Muslim population in the United States?

00:13:16.000 Yeah, like, where is this happening? 1.00

00:13:18.000 You can look at that city in Michigan.

00:13:18.000 That's not true.

00:13:20.000 You could look at it in Minneapolis, where they have Somalis have taken over, where you have entire time. 1.00

00:13:25.000 I'm sorry. 1.00

00:13:25.000 Taken over? 1.00

00:13:26.000 Somalis have taken over Minneapolis? 1.00

00:13:28.000 Yes, yeah. 1.00

00:13:30.000 You have Minneapolis in Minnesota. 1.00

00:13:32.000 Oh, Minneapolis, that's Somali paradise. 1.00

00:13:34.000 How could I forget about Minneapolis?

00:13:35.000 I know they're resettling a lot of Somali migrants there. 1.00

00:13:37.000 Hey, look, no, laugh it up. 1.00

00:13:39.000 This is an actual.

00:13:40.000 I remember somebody. 1.00

00:13:41.000 To be the first to go in the Muslim invasion. 1.00

00:13:44.000 I hate to tell you. 1.00

00:13:45.000 The only time I remember sovereignty in the United States being threatened was when a bunch of rednecks in what state was it where they all tried to take over the federal land because they were mad that the government was trying to mark it off as a park? 1.00

00:13:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:13:56.000 You mean they were constitutionally and legally seceded from the country? 1.00

00:14:00.000 That's a far cry from a subversion scheme.

00:14:03.000 The legal secession scheme.

00:14:04.000 Constitutional.

00:14:07.000 But look, that's beside the point.

00:14:09.000 The South seceding from the Union is a far cry from a cultural and demographic subversion scheme. 0.98

00:14:15.000 An invasion by the third world.

00:14:16.000 I don't think anybody would argue that a change of regime and government is comparable to the fundamental transformation demographically of a nation and its people.

00:14:25.000 I don't think anyone in their right mind would argue that.

00:14:27.000 Yeah, but not everybody's, I guess, obsessed with this demographic change.

00:14:30.000 And for something that seems so important to somebody that calls themselves a traditionalist, this wasn't written into the Constitution at all that we were supposed to do.

00:14:37.000 Actually, it was.

00:14:39.000 Like we said in our debate, it's in the preamble of the Constitution.

00:14:41.000 But it actually isn't in the preamble.

00:14:45.000 But unfortunately, in the Federalist Papers, when you Talks about our posterity.

00:14:48.000 One, he never mentions race a single time.

00:14:51.000 And two, that same guy that you cite that mentioned posterity, so that if he had the opportunity to, he would have banned Catholics from ever entering the United States.

00:14:58.000 Which he actually does in Federalist Number Two, he doesn't explicitly say race.

00:15:03.000 No, he's descending from the same stock. 0.74

00:15:05.000 If you want me to pull up the quote, I can, but he says, We can't.

00:15:07.000 I mean, I have my own quotes as well, but you're quoting the people.

00:15:11.000 We're not.

00:15:13.000 We could talk about quotes all day long. 0.87

00:15:15.000 But the fact of the matter is, do you think Catholics should be banned from the United States as well, then? 0.85

00:15:19.000 Because he was quoted as saying the same thing.

00:15:21.000 The definition can expand, but it must expand reasonably.

00:15:24.000 The definition expands to Italian, Christian, Somali, Muslims.

00:15:30.000 I don't think so.

00:15:31.000 If you want to expand the definition, white America in the 1700s was Anglo Saxon, not white European Christian. 0.93

00:15:39.000 The idea that Germans and Italians and Spaniards were all seen as the same as British people is ridiculous.

00:15:45.000 Destiny, who discovered the New World?

00:15:47.000 Who discovered the New World in 1492?

00:15:50.000 Who is the continent named after?

00:15:52.000 Who circumnavigated the globe?

00:15:54.000 It was Catholic, Italians, and again, reasonable expansion.

00:15:59.000 If we could go back to the 1924 national origins quotas, it's very laid out.

00:16:03.000 We would like. 1.00

00:16:04.000 If it were possible in this day and age to have that Protestant Anglo Saxon majority again, I think it'd be worth pursuing. 0.75

00:16:12.000 But the fact of the matter is, demographically, it's just not tenable. 0.90

00:16:14.000 So we reasonably expand the definition to Christian Europeans, and that's fine.

00:16:19.000 And everybody understands what that means.

00:16:21.000 Guys, just give me two minutes.

00:16:22.000 Destiny, I will give you an opportunity to respond.

00:16:26.000 But I do want to quickly calm things down.

00:16:28.000 This didn't take long to ignite, it's lots of fun.

00:16:31.000 But I do want to quickly bring in Theron and No Bullshit.

00:16:34.000 But first, Theron, you are coming from a more centrist view.

00:16:37.000 So watching Nick.

00:16:39.000 And Stephen argue over this.

00:16:41.000 What do you make of it?

00:16:43.000 Well, let's talk about immigration.

00:16:46.000 I'm not quite as I don't think that immigration, a more just society, is necessarily a society in which there is more immigration.

00:16:54.000 I actually think that a just society would be a society where immigration benefits the people in the nation rather than the people outside of the nation, the people immigrating. 0.99

00:17:08.000 I think they're the ones who should benefit secondarily. 0.94

00:17:12.000 But I do think the whole conversation on mass immigration is interesting because I don't hear people taking much concern with the cultural differences between Muslims or people from Africa and Europeans or Americans, but they don't talk much about the differences and the problems with the differences between Western culture and, say, Asian countries. 0.93

00:17:39.000 Because I am engaged to a Korean man, and the only reason I'm engaged I can be engaged to him is because he doesn't connect or identify with Korean culture at all.

00:17:52.000 And I think if he did, we wouldn't be able to be together for reasons that it's extremely collectivist and conformist.

00:18:01.000 It's very antithetical to many Western values, such as individualism, for example.

00:18:07.000 So I don't think. 1.00

00:18:08.000 You're taking this a step further and saying we need to cut out all the Asians.

00:18:11.000 No, no, I'm saying that not talking about. 0.97

00:18:18.000 About Asian, the very real problems in Asian culture and how it differs from Western culture, and how importing a lot of Asian people can change Western culture in a bad way, and rather focusing on all the brown people could come off as a dog whistle towards leftists that you're all just a bunch of racists.

00:18:38.000 It is a dog whistle to everyone.

00:18:42.000 I'm not saying you're all racist because you'd rather focus on the brown people than the less brown people.

00:18:48.000 I'm not saying you're racist, but I'm telling you what it comes off as sometimes.

00:18:52.000 Okay, let's discuss that for just one minute here because I think that's an interesting point.

00:18:56.000 So I would say the same thing to leftists who focus on only white privilege and never mention Asian privilege, right?

00:19:03.000 There seems to be this great ignoring of the Asian question, per se.

00:19:09.000 The reality is, though, that Asians do typically don't commit any crime.

00:19:15.000 How often do you see an Asian man shot in the street for attacking cops or whatever?

00:19:19.000 They typically contribute to the economy.

00:19:19.000 Never happens.

00:19:22.000 I do think there is a cultural aspect to it where they don't really integrate either.

00:19:26.000 For example, here in the U.S., we have Chinese enclaves and they're completely tight knit in their own communities. 0.99

00:19:35.000 They don't integrate. 0.99

00:19:36.000 Everyone talking so much about integration. 1.00

00:19:39.000 Why do you care about brown integration so much and you don't even care about, you don't even talk about Koreans?

00:19:44.000 I'm just saying.

00:19:47.000 My last two videos, I did exactly on this topic, Asian integration, though.

00:19:51.000 So I would disagree with you.

00:19:52.000 I understand your point that people are focusing too much on maybe one specific thing, Islam, because a lot of.

00:19:58.000 Terrorism is coming from there right now, which is giving a lot of media focus.

00:20:01.000 But I disagree that people don't also talk about the problem with no integration from Asian immigrants.

00:20:10.000 No one wants to talk about the very well integrated Muslim immigrants in the United States.

00:20:14.000 There are many Muslim immigrants in the United States who are extremely well integrated.

00:20:18.000 And no one mentions it because you're focused on people who have been in Europe for three weeks.

00:20:22.000 There's not really that many Muslims in America.

00:20:25.000 It's like a 1% very small amount of Muslims. 1.00

00:20:27.000 That's why I saw that. 1.00

00:20:28.000 1% of people is 3 million people in the United States.

00:20:31.000 5%.

00:20:31.000 And then I think the other issue here is we're talking about kind of an optics problem.

00:20:36.000 People unfortunately have a lot to do with what they see.

00:20:39.000 And so this issue, it's kind of coupled with the stuff we're talking about before.

00:20:43.000 Since a lot of Muslims, most Muslims are brown, and we're talking about the race problem, it comes off as racist.

00:20:49.000 But I don't think it's because they're brown. 0.68

00:20:51.000 I think it's because of the belief system and the differences between the other reformed religions that we've mentioned before.

00:20:59.000 Christianity and Judaism have both been reformed over time.

00:21:03.000 And we've got a more progressive future. 1.00

00:21:06.000 Future proofing there, but when you talk about Muslims, this is an ancient, antiquated system that just doesn't work in America. 1.00

00:21:13.000 It clashes too much because, like things we mentioned before, I agree with a lot of things that Nick said earlier. 0.98

00:21:19.000 I'm probably not as religious myself, I'm virtually an atheist, but I do still hold those Christian values.

00:21:26.000 So you can be Christian, and this is a Christian nation, like it or not. 0.81

00:21:29.000 This was a white Christian nation. 0.84

00:21:33.000 Where is it in the Constitution? 0.96

00:21:36.000 It's not a white nation. 0.98

00:21:37.000 I'm sorry. 0.81

00:21:38.000 You just say the United States is a white Christian ethnostate? 1.00

00:21:41.000 Why would it be something so important? 0.93

00:21:43.000 Why would they have specifically left out any and all references to God and even went further to say that there was a separation of church and state?

00:21:50.000 It was supposed to be a Christian. 1.00

00:21:51.000 That seems so stupid. 1.00

00:21:52.000 Why would you do that? 1.00

00:21:54.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:21:55.000 It looks stupid to you, but that's the way it was. 0.98

00:21:57.000 Look, there's a fine line between the proposition nation that the founders intended this to be. 0.99

00:22:02.000 They were all very liberal.

00:22:03.000 You know, they read Rousseau, so that gives you some idea of how liberal they were.

00:22:07.000 But the nation that was founded in 1776 was.

00:22:11.000 In character, in form, a Christian nation.

00:22:14.000 And you can say, oh, well, it's not in the letter of the law. 0.84

00:22:15.000 You can say whatever.

00:22:16.000 But the fact of the matter is, it was a Christian nation.

00:22:19.000 The people that were here were Christian.

00:22:20.000 The people that came here later were Christian.

00:22:23.000 Until about 1965, this was a white Christian nation. 0.80

00:22:27.000 And you can say that it's not in the letter of the law. 0.68

00:22:30.000 I don't think they needed to put it in law because at the time, it was not a white nation. 0.54

00:22:35.000 It was not a white nation.

00:22:36.000 That's right.

00:22:38.000 80% white in 1799. 0.98

00:22:39.000 It was not white. 0.55

00:22:40.000 That goes down to our whole conversation about it.

00:22:45.000 I'm going to mute people.

00:22:48.000 I'm going to mute people.

00:22:49.000 So I'm going to give Contra a chance to respond to Nick and then vice versa, and then we're going to move on to another person.

00:22:49.000 All right.

00:22:55.000 So Contra, respond to Nick.

00:22:56.000 You claim that the United States was a white nation until 1965 when it was in fact 80% white.

00:23:03.000 Europe, most every European country is far more white than that, and you claim that it's been severely compromised.

00:23:09.000 In what sense is. 0.99

00:23:11.000 Sure.

00:23:12.000 Yeah, my response to that is when the nation was founded in 1776, the first census results are from 1790.

00:23:18.000 And at that time, the country was 80% white.

00:23:20.000 The other 20% was black.

00:23:22.000 Now, if you recall at the time, black people were not considered people. 0.59

00:23:26.000 So I don't think it's fair to say that the nation was not founded as a white country when that 20% wasn't even considered.

00:23:31.000 And that's not to justify. 0.74

00:23:33.000 There was white supremacy and practice.

00:23:35.000 White supremacy and practice, racial egalitarianism and theory.

00:23:39.000 Just because you're saying white supremacy doesn't make it true.

00:23:43.000 You want to say that the United States was not founded on principles of white supremacy?

00:23:47.000 You want to say that slavery was not a white supremacist institution?

00:23:50.000 Really?

00:23:50.000 That's five times.

00:23:52.000 Five times.

00:23:52.000 It doesn't help your point.

00:23:54.000 Look, and not for nothing, but the founders' role as you're blocked on Twitter for a reason.

00:24:00.000 I'm not afraid of you.

00:24:01.000 That's why I'm here. 0.99

00:24:02.000 I think it's pathetic. 0.98

00:24:03.000 Yeah, okay. 1.00

00:24:04.000 So, fuck who are calling for my death and the death of all trans people. 1.00

00:24:07.000 Fuck you. 1.00

00:24:08.000 I'm not afraid of you. 1.00

00:24:09.000 I never.

00:24:10.000 Okay, let's address that quickly.

00:24:14.000 I told you, and I guess.

00:24:14.000 Did anyone?

00:24:15.000 Yes, yes, my turn.

00:24:17.000 Okay, wait, wait.

00:24:17.000 My turn.

00:24:18.000 Before we go, let's go.

00:24:20.000 I need to make a quick announcement.

00:24:22.000 This is very spicy, everyone.

00:24:24.000 First of all, to the chat.

00:24:25.000 Thank you, everyone, for participating.

00:24:29.000 I don't know how to turn off super chat, so I can't read those comments.

00:24:32.000 So I wouldn't suggest donating since I can't read it.

00:24:35.000 I apologize there.

00:24:37.000 So just addressing that.

00:24:38.000 Now, Theron, let's jump to you, everyone.

00:24:40.000 Let's calm down the spice, put down the wine. 0.89

00:24:43.000 If I could also address Theron's statement regarding Asians after, I just have something to add to that. 0.58

00:24:48.000 You can address the Asians, yes.

00:24:51.000 Yeah, so I just find it interesting. 0.98

00:24:55.000 There's a lot of focus, even from people like Of the horrible cultural change that would happen from importing all the Muslims. 1.00

00:25:07.000 And I might even agree with that, but I just find it a little bit hypocritical because to me, it sounds like he wants to change American culture to something that it isn't, maybe to something that it was thousands of years ago or hundreds of years ago, but definitely something that it isn't anymore. 0.96

00:25:24.000 And probably something that would be an existential threat to me as a trans person. 0.86

00:25:30.000 So, I just find that very rich and hypocritical. 0.92

00:25:34.000 Like, sure, like, I don't even think if it has any more merit that you want to change culture into something, American culture today, into something that it was hundreds of years ago.

00:25:44.000 Because I think that what it was hundreds of years ago represents, you know, what is written in the Quran in many ways very closely.

00:25:52.000 So, not much difference.

00:25:55.000 Do I get a chance to respond to this, Lauren?

00:25:57.000 I have a quick response, and then we have to jump to roaming.

00:26:00.000 Sure.

00:26:01.000 What I'm talking about is going back to the natural order of things, the natural order ordained by God, which prevailed in this great land up until just about 50 years ago.

00:26:12.000 So we're not talking about going back hundreds of years.

00:26:14.000 We're talking about. 0.99

00:26:15.000 That's exactly what Muslims talk about. 0.97

00:26:17.000 That's exactly what radical Muslims talk about. 0.84

00:26:19.000 Yeah, well, hey, and maybe there's something to the conservatism of some of the Muslim countries. 0.98

00:26:25.000 Here we are. 0.84

00:26:26.000 Off the mic.

00:26:27.000 Exactly.

00:26:29.000 I'm not being critical by saying we want to maintain.

00:26:32.000 A conservative culture in our culture, what would happen to someone like me?

00:26:38.000 Uh, you would probably have to see a doctor, you would probably have to see a therapist.

00:26:47.000 You put me through a lecture of shock therapy, wouldn't you?

00:26:53.000 I wouldn't, I wouldn't. 0.97

00:26:54.000 This is why trans people, this is why leftists hate you, this is why they hate right wingers because. 1.00

00:27:02.000 They don't do enough to speak out against assholes like you. 1.00

00:27:06.000 I'm not on board with what he's saying, just BT dubs throwing that out there. 0.99

00:27:10.000 Maybe, roaming millennial, maybe you should maybe do a little bit more work speaking out against people like that.

00:27:15.000 Maybe when you have people like Richard Spencer on your channel, don't just sit there and go, Oh, that's nice.

00:27:20.000 That's so interesting.

00:27:23.000 Maybe you should, no, but you still have a responsibility as an interviewer to challenge people.

00:27:28.000 You shouldn't allow him to get roaming responses.

00:27:32.000 Let me finish my point. 0.99

00:27:35.000 Maybe you shouldn't just let him wrap his bullshit ideas in a beautiful pink bow, make it sound all cute. 0.98

00:27:43.000 Maybe you actually have a responsibility to challenge him on his ideas and expose it for what it really is. 0.99

00:27:49.000 Because this Nick guy, that's exactly what it is. 0.70

00:27:55.000 This is Roaming's opportunity to respond to the Asian question and also, wow, okay.

00:28:01.000 Yeah, a lot of things.

00:28:03.000 Okay, so first off, maybe regarding the Richard Spencer interview, I just want to say that I stand by that interview.

00:28:09.000 If you watch it, you can see that I clearly state that I'm not.

00:28:13.000 You did not do a good job.

00:28:14.000 You were irresponsible.

00:28:16.000 That I am not a white nationalist, and I've even brought up things like the question.

00:28:20.000 Of why it would be that white people would get along so right now when the history of European conflict shows us that the opposite is true, things like that.

00:28:27.000 But I do stand by that there is a difference between a debate and an interview.

00:28:31.000 A lot of my subscribers are happy to actually see what Richard Spencer says.

00:28:35.000 And if your problem is that he came off too positively, then you can feel free to make a response video to that.

00:28:42.000 But in terms of the Asian question and Muslim immigration, I actually do think I get what you're saying. 0.62

00:28:48.000 And there is definitely a problem with integration in Asian communities, especially East and West Coast of the United States and Canada. 0.96

00:28:54.000 But the reason why it makes more sense to focus on the Muslim issue now is because they are more of an existential threat just in terms of safety through terrorist attacks. 0.99

00:29:04.000 We see that. 0.62

00:29:04.000 Now, especially in the US as well, but especially looking at Europe right now. 0.62

00:29:11.000 And I think Canada is probably going to be going down that road eventually just because of the amount of immigrants we're seeing because of the whole refugee situation. 0.97

00:29:18.000 I think it does make sense to focus on the Muslim question first, but that doesn't mean that Asians get a free pass, right? 1.00

00:29:23.000 And I think Asians are notoriously. 1.00

00:29:25.000 I don't even care at this point. 1.00

00:29:28.000 But Asians are notoriously insular, and that's not acceptable. 1.00

00:29:33.000 And I think part of the reason why we're seeing that is because that's what happens when you let in too many of the same group at the same time. 1.00

00:29:39.000 And I think that's an argument for stricter border control and lower immigration numbers. 0.98

00:29:43.000 If people come over more slowly, they'd have less of a chance to form these ghettos and insular communities, and they'd be more forced to assimilate.

00:29:50.000 So it's not that Asians get a free pass, it's just that I think there are bigger issues to focus on right now. 0.80

00:29:54.000 But I mean, it's also part of the same question of immigration.

00:29:58.000 What do you mean by integration?

00:30:00.000 Can I get a definition of what it means to integrate?

00:30:01.000 I'm really curious.

00:30:03.000 What is American culture and what are these values that every person needs to integrate to?

00:30:08.000 English language.

00:30:09.000 My grandfather.

00:30:10.000 In other words, which values?

00:30:11.000 My values or Nick's values?

00:30:13.000 Or somebody in Tennessee's values or someone in LA's values?

00:30:15.000 Sorry, I keep interrupting.

00:30:16.000 Yeah, well, so when we're talking about integration, my grandfather, who I love dearly, is an example of this.

00:30:21.000 So a bunch of my father's brothers and sisters came over to Canada while they're in school.

00:30:26.000 And later in life, my grandfather actually came over once they'd gotten their citizenships.

00:30:30.000 I love my grandfather.

00:30:31.000 He was a great guy.

00:30:32.000 Never learned to.

00:30:33.000 I mean, he was here for decades, didn't speak English.

00:30:36.000 Same with his wife that he brought over, not my biological grammar, she died, but didn't speak English either.

00:30:41.000 They lived in buildings where a lot of the older residents, none of them spoke English. 0.83

00:30:45.000 And I think language is a huge indicator of someone's assimilation level.

00:30:49.000 If you can't talk to the population surrounding you, then it's a pretty good bet that you're not on the same page with more civic issues or cultural issues, things like that. 0.63

00:30:58.000 With the Asian community, we're not really talking about an issue of religion since most Asians are secular. 0.51

00:31:03.000 But just culturally, there's a huge problem with people not talking to each other, despite the fact that they live maybe streets down from each other. 0.72

00:31:09.000 Okay, I think that was a hugely dishonest answer.

00:31:12.000 When people talk about integrating to American values, the only thing you're talking about is English?

00:31:17.000 I don't believe that.

00:31:17.000 I think you just said.

00:31:18.000 What are you actually talking about when you talk about it?

00:31:20.000 I'm talking about my grandfather.

00:31:22.000 I don't care about your grandfather, though. 1.00

00:31:23.000 When you talk about bringing Muslim people and other people over to the United States.

00:31:26.000 When we're talking about Muslims, there is a difference thing. 0.94

00:31:29.000 When we're talking about Muslims and the fact that they need to. 1.00

00:31:32.000 What values are you talking about?

00:31:33.000 Those values would be things like freedom of religion, respecting other people's right to practice their own religion freely, like you can practice yours.

00:31:40.000 We're also talking about women's rights, the fact that, like we're seeing in.

00:31:44.000 Happening in London, if you are a Muslim man, you do not have the right to tell women that they should be covering up because it does not affect you, things like that.

00:31:51.000 Okay, so one at a time on things like women's issues, these are things that we don't even have a consistent view of in the US.

00:31:56.000 I'm pretty sure. 1.00

00:31:58.000 Let everyone finish their comments or I'm going to start muting mics. 0.99

00:31:58.000 I'm pretty sure. 0.99

00:32:01.000 So, Stephen, then roaming.

00:32:04.000 We're going to be calm down.

00:32:05.000 Everyone go get tea. 0.91

00:32:08.000 So, just one at a time on these values, because you keep presenting these as though there's like a consistent American view on values, which is ludicrous.

00:32:14.000 When you talk about women's issues, There are people that think that some women should be able to breastfeed in public.

00:32:18.000 Some women shouldn't be allowed to breastfeed in public.

00:32:20.000 Some people want to hashtag free the nipple. 1.00

00:32:22.000 Other people think that it's disgusting that women would wander around outside. 0.69

00:32:25.000 These are all white American differences and ideas.

00:32:27.000 Some people think that abortion should be something that every woman is entitled to.

00:32:30.000 Other people think it's one of the greatest sins you can commit.

00:32:32.000 How could you possibly expect somebody to come to this country and integrate to our ideas about women's freedom?

00:32:38.000 What does that even mean to an American? 1.00

00:32:39.000 Well, I'm pretty sure.

00:32:41.000 I'm pretty sure.

00:32:41.000 Values is the right to speak for themselves.

00:32:43.000 You speak, Romy.

00:32:44.000 I'm not going to interrupt you. 0.93

00:32:45.000 Sorry, but yeah, I mean, no bullshit has that exactly right. 0.97

00:32:47.000 We can disagree like, oh, um, You know, free the nipple or not. 0.98

00:32:51.000 But guess what? 1.00

00:32:52.000 We all agree that, yeah, women should be allowed to vote, that women are not the property of their husbands, that child brides are not acceptable.

00:32:59.000 These are basic values that apparently in Islam a lot of them don't get honor killings are not acceptable, that a woman who was raped should not be blamed for her rapist actions.

00:33:09.000 That's an American.

00:33:09.000 These are things that.

00:33:11.000 Yes, Americans agree on all these things.

00:33:14.000 We're fighting over that right now.

00:33:15.000 Look at the big issue in Hollywood about accusing people of being rapists.

00:33:18.000 Are you going to seriously say that we have a.

00:33:21.000 No one is saying that. 1.00

00:33:22.000 The women who are alleging that they've been sexually abused should be stoned because of the actions that someone like Harriet. 1.00

00:33:28.000 Kicked out of their industry and shamed and cut off from future job opportunities. 0.91

00:33:32.000 Nobody is saying that.

00:33:33.000 Everybody in Hollywood for the past 30 or 40 years.

00:33:36.000 I can't believe that.

00:33:38.000 Nobody is saying that.

00:33:45.000 That's the whole reason why this is such a problem. 1.00

00:33:47.000 Every woman that's spoken out against it since now has been destroyed in their careers. 0.72

00:33:52.000 They've been.

00:33:52.000 Okay, let's talk about that.

00:33:53.000 I actually think that's a decent point because I've made this before.

00:33:56.000 People say, Oh, Lauren, you think Harvey Weinstein is a problem.

00:33:59.000 Suddenly you believe in rape culture.

00:34:01.000 No, that is not the case.

00:34:03.000 I do believe that rape does happen within our society.

00:34:06.000 And I will agree that the rich and powerful do not play by the same rules as the rest of us.

00:34:11.000 They can finagle things, they can make sure people can't get jobs, they can get all sorts of legal contracts.

00:34:16.000 But when someone is unequivocally proven to have raped another individual, society as a whole within the West, Rejects them and that is illegal.

00:34:26.000 They are put in jail. 0.67

00:34:28.000 Within Islamic societies, that is not within the law and the popular culture.

00:34:32.000 I do see where you're coming from when you say Harvey Weinstein was able to get away with horrible things because of his power, but I don't think that is what is representative of overall culture.

00:34:32.000 That is the difference.

00:34:44.000 That's why everyone was pissed when that came out in the news, and that's why everyone's hanging Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey because we're against those things.

00:34:51.000 We can't even watch House of Cards anymore.

00:34:53.000 That's the number one trending thing.

00:34:55.000 Is it okay to even watch the show that Kevin Spacey was in?

00:34:58.000 That's how.

00:34:59.000 Crazy we are about it.

00:35:01.000 People out of bad things. 0.99

00:35:03.000 Rape.

00:35:03.000 That's not why they said that's a huge deal.

00:35:07.000 That is why.

00:35:09.000 They could say no.

00:35:13.000 No, you can't.

00:35:20.000 Yes, they can.

00:35:26.000 They can say no, but they would have faced.

00:35:34.000 It's not going to be restricted to people that have actually had sexual relationships before, okay?

00:35:39.000 Okay, that's just unnecessary.

00:35:41.000 Sarah, on your boss, are you serious? 0.99

00:35:45.000 No, if your boss says have sex with me, you just say no, and then you don't know what the repercussions are going to be to your job, dog.

00:35:50.000 But you always have an option, and I think it's I think it's awful that their career is being threatened, but what he's doing is illegal.

00:35:57.000 Once it was brought to light, people are outraged, and that I think that goes to show that this is not acceptable behavior, what he was doing, and it is a shame that he got on for so long doing it.

00:36:07.000 But I think it's more indicative and more telling of the culture in Hollywood specifically and the power dynamics over there.

00:36:13.000 Than our general Western society.

00:36:15.000 If a woman is propositioned by her boss, she absolutely can say no. 0.99

00:36:18.000 She can go to human resources.

00:36:19.000 She can file sexual harassment complaints and he will be fired.

00:36:24.000 I mean, I don't really know what to say.

00:36:27.000 I know so many people who have gone to human resources and not been believed, had the whole thing smoked into the world, they've been relocated.

00:36:33.000 This is in every industry in America.

00:36:36.000 The idea that this is a unique thing to Hollywood is wrong.

00:36:39.000 Well, if you did this in Saudi Arabia, there wouldn't be an HR department.

00:36:44.000 There wouldn't be media outrage.

00:36:46.000 You would just be. 0.67

00:36:46.000 Okay, well, there's an HR department here, and Saudi Arabian immigrants will get used to that. 0.67

00:36:52.000 We can easily prevent all sexual assault in the workplace if our women were at home raising the kids. 1.00

00:36:59.000 Oh, dear God.

00:37:02.000 Why are we here?

00:37:04.000 Why are we doing this?

00:37:05.000 I'm being serious.

00:37:06.000 I'm being serious.

00:37:07.000 I mean, you actually have a 0% chance from 9 to 10.

00:37:12.000 That's not true.

00:37:13.000 I said from 9 to 5 if you're at home.

00:37:16.000 Raising the kids, not going to get sexually harassed by some person.

00:37:20.000 In what way is that different? 0.98

00:37:22.000 In any way from the most radical jihadist assessment of women's role in society.

00:37:28.000 It's the fundamentalist, the natural, intuitive character of the relationship between men and women that that's how it goes.

00:37:35.000 I mean, how is that different than that? 0.93

00:37:36.000 To Islamists. 0.99

00:37:37.000 No, no, no, no. 0.98

00:37:38.000 The intuitive to the past 10,000 years of human civilization.

00:37:42.000 I mean, that's just programmed.

00:37:43.000 Okay, you know, I'm just going to jump in here quickly.

00:37:46.000 I actually would love.

00:37:47.000 To be a stay at home mother one day raising kids.

00:37:49.000 That's something I enjoy. 1.00

00:37:50.000 That's something my sister wants to be. 1.00

00:37:51.000 That's something a lot of women I know want to be.

00:37:53.000 However, Nick, I do want to ask you I don't know if that is a possible future in our current economy and where it's already been going in this direction where you can't even raise a family on one income.

00:38:06.000 So do you see that as a little utopian?

00:38:08.000 No, I understand that concern.

00:38:10.000 But the issue is not whether it's possible tomorrow.

00:38:13.000 The issue of a woman's role or what the direction should be for women is.

00:38:19.000 Is what should we be striving for? 0.99

00:38:21.000 You know, should we be striving to push women into the workforce to push them onto the fucking battlefield in Iraq and into the assembly lines and into this neoliberal hellscape? 0.99

00:38:30.000 Or should we be pushing them back? 0.99

00:38:32.000 Look, mommy's home, you know, honey, you know, dinner's on the table.

00:38:35.000 Should we be pushing them towards that?

00:38:37.000 I mean, that's fundamentally the question. 1.00

00:38:39.000 So I understand if women have to work in this day and age, it makes perfect sense. 1.00

00:38:43.000 I mean, the economy has been destroyed and pillaged by rootless transnational globalists. 0.97

00:38:48.000 And so unfortunately, that is reality today. 0.91

00:38:51.000 But in the future, We'd like to see women fulfilling their biological necessity there and having the kids, having those kids. 1.00

00:38:59.000 I think, I think, let's let roaming jump in here.

00:39:03.000 Contra, you obviously disagree, but roaming, I think, is more interesting because you're still on the right, but you seem to disagree with this.

00:39:09.000 So I'm someone like you, Lauren.

00:39:09.000 Right, right.

00:39:11.000 I would love to be a stay at home mom.

00:39:12.000 That'd be absolutely my dream.

00:39:13.000 But I think we have to look at this realistically.

00:39:15.000 If we look at like incident indices globally of women's participation rate in the workforce, there's a strong correlation between high GDP per capita and women's participation in the workforce.

00:39:25.000 And that's pretty obvious if you think about why.

00:39:27.000 It's if, you know, if half your population, working age population is just staying home, that doesn't really translate to a strong economy. 0.95

00:39:33.000 And if you also think about how long, Women have to be there to be the primary caregivers for their children. 0.77

00:39:38.000 You know, women, like, let's say people have 40, maybe even 50 working years a day. 1.00

00:39:44.000 Women don't need to be at home the entire time that they're working. 0.99

00:39:47.000 That's not even counting things like part time work, which a lot of mothers do very well, especially when their kids get older.

00:39:52.000 And so I think there doesn't need to be this, you know, one or the other approach when we're talking about women in the workforce.

00:39:58.000 I very strongly believe that families are super important.

00:40:01.000 I think that whenever possible, financially, it's not always possible, but if possible, it is a great.

00:40:06.000 Thing to have a full parent there for the kids when they're younger. 1.00

00:40:10.000 But women have long lives. 1.00

00:40:11.000 People have long lives. 1.00

00:40:12.000 Kids, the time that they're at home is finite, and women should still be able to participate in the economy when there are no children around, especially when we're looking at jobs.

00:40:21.000 I mean, I don't know, Nick, what you think about this. 0.72

00:40:22.000 Like, would you restrict women's ability to become things like teachers or nurses, which are predominantly female dominated roles?

00:40:29.000 Not by law. 1.00

00:40:30.000 No, but I think we should discourage women from getting into the workforce. 1.00

00:40:33.000 I think to deprive a child of a mother and a father growing up, you know, that they get shoved into some daycare, looked after by someone who doesn't. 1.00

00:40:40.000 I mean, that's fundamentally at the core of it.

00:40:40.000 Care.

00:40:42.000 I mean, I shitpost about this often, but I mean, that's when it comes down to it.

00:40:46.000 You talk to any child whose parents are divorced or who wasn't raised by a mother, and there's a marked difference in people who are raised by a mother who's staying home and really cared about the kids and cared about their diet, their social life, their education, and looked after them. 0.57

00:41:01.000 It's not like it'd be nice if, you know, we had a mother to stay home.

00:41:03.000 It's a necessity for the child. 0.79

00:41:05.000 I agree with you.

00:41:07.000 I mean, my mom worked.

00:41:07.000 I agree.

00:41:08.000 I turned out just fine.

00:41:09.000 Look at me.

00:41:11.000 I mean, to disregard that for GDP, I think is a neoliberal.

00:41:18.000 But, Nick, again, you're talking about children need a mom to be home.

00:41:22.000 Again, the time that a child is home is not the entire span of a woman's life or even her range of fertility. 0.95

00:41:30.000 And if during high school, for example, kids aren't home full time, what's wrong with the mother working part time? 0.78

00:41:35.000 What's wrong with the mother working before she has children?

00:41:38.000 Actually, a lot of people meet their future partners.

00:41:41.000 In the workforce. 0.80

00:41:43.000 Yeah, so again, like discouraging women from working entirely because they have to stay home and raise children, I think you're overestimating how many years we're living and how many hours there are in a day. 0.63

00:41:51.000 No, but we're not talking about women getting like a part time job while the kids are in high school.

00:41:56.000 We're talking about, and it is black and white. 0.98

00:41:58.000 It's not so much gray, it is black and white of whether or not, because you saw the trend for the past 40 years has been the stay at home mom is a loser. 0.97

00:42:06.000 The stay at home mom is not cool. 1.00

00:42:07.000 She doesn't live in the fast lane like Tina Fey in New York City. 0.99

00:42:11.000 You know, you got to be an astronaut, you got to be a STEM, you could be a Jedi. 1.00

00:42:15.000 I could be a fucking superhero. 0.99

00:42:17.000 We have to point the arrow back towards rearing kids. 1.00

00:42:20.000 And you talk about it like it's one kid.

00:42:22.000 We're talking about we want to have lots of kids, lots of kids, and there's many reasons for that. 1.00

00:42:26.000 But we want the ladies to be having the kids, raising the kids, looking after the home. 1.00

00:42:31.000 And it's better for them, too. 1.00

00:42:32.000 They're happier in that setting.

00:42:34.000 They are happy.

00:42:34.000 And you can say, oh, I'm a working woman and I'm happy.

00:42:37.000 But the studies show that women are happier when they're at home, when they have their kids.

00:42:41.000 It's more fulfilling, it's more satisfying. 0.93

00:42:44.000 And what's more satisfying?

00:42:45.000 Doing spreadsheets?

00:42:47.000 And preparing a presentation for the big sales pitch or being at home, being with little babies and taking them to the park and playing games with them. 0.99

00:42:55.000 I'd rather play Go Fish with my kids than go and be a fucking lawyer, you know, for bankruptcy law, right? 0.99

00:43:01.000 And I absolutely agree. 0.99

00:43:03.000 And that's why, even myself personally, looking at what I want in the next 10 years, honestly, I've got to say that my career ambitions are very limited in the fact that I would so rather be a mom.

00:43:12.000 But again, that doesn't mean, for example, what Lauren and I are doing right now.

00:43:16.000 Like, it doesn't need to be either or.

00:43:18.000 And women have that ability to do both, especially before they have children.

00:43:22.000 And when we're looking at the fertile window, let's say like 25 to 35, that is by no means someone's entire working life.

00:43:27.000 But I mean, we can move on or bring Contra into this.

00:43:30.000 Right.

00:43:31.000 Okay, first one, yeah.

00:43:31.000 Wait, wait, wait.

00:43:32.000 Steven Contra, why do you hate women kissing babies? 1.00

00:43:36.000 I love babies. 0.99

00:43:37.000 I think babies are foul, and I support white genocide. 0.99

00:43:40.000 Okay, I love babies. 0.99

00:43:42.000 Why not just give people the choice to do what they want?

00:43:44.000 Like, I don't understand why that's. 0.88

00:43:46.000 Because, like, it's the ultimate irony is seeing people, like, kind of roaming millennial and then super Lauren Southern, who don't have children, talk here and espouse, like, the most important job of a woman is to be a baby pumper. 0.55

00:43:57.000 But here you guys are pursuing your careers, as much as I vehemently disagree with both of you, doing things that you probably couldn't do if you had a kid.

00:44:04.000 You talk about how like 25 to 35 isn't the entire lifespan of a woman.

00:44:07.000 Taking two or three years out of your 20s, late 20s, early 30s, your most important, like early establishing career building years, that's a big commitment from some people.

00:44:14.000 And both of you have made the choice not to do so, not to have children and instead pursue this whatever kind of quasi career thing we all have.

00:44:21.000 I'm ready to go right now.

00:44:22.000 I'm ready to go right now.

00:44:23.000 But the thing is, when we say that women should have children, or at least, I mean, I'm not going to talk for anything else here, but that doesn't mean have children before you're financially sound.

00:44:34.000 Partner that you can build your life with, right?

00:44:36.000 I mean, I like, I'm not just saying get pregnant as soon as possible.

00:44:39.000 It's have, like, have, be financially stable.

00:44:42.000 Have a partner who's going to be there because I think, like, father figures are so important to be there for your child.

00:44:47.000 Like, it's not just pop out babies indiscriminately.

00:44:49.000 That's actually, I think, very much the opposite of what needs to be done.

00:44:52.000 And I think we see the damage of just having children thought I need care or concern of how you're going to raise them.

00:44:57.000 And I mean, like, I'm 23 and I have no doubt that there's still some time left on these eggs.

00:45:02.000 So I'm not really worried about it.

00:45:04.000 I think, too.

00:45:05.000 Let me just jump in here for a second. 0.95

00:45:07.000 Sorry, no bullshit.

00:45:07.000 Sorry.

00:45:08.000 I just want to.

00:45:09.000 Expand on that. 1.00

00:45:09.000 I completely agree with the one of the big problems is women just deciding, I'm going to pump out babies and not consider having a father. 1.00

00:45:17.000 Single fatherhood, not single fatherhood, but single motherhood rather causes for almost double the suicide risk for a child. 1.00

00:45:25.000 More likely to be an alcoholic, more likely to drop out of school, more likely to be homeless. 0.52

00:45:29.000 All of these things increase with single motherhood, and that is something that is expanding because of irresponsible behavior.

00:45:35.000 So, Romy and I both do not want to be irresponsible that way.

00:45:38.000 Also, I want to address quickly, Stephen, your.

00:45:40.000 Point saying, just let people do what they want.

00:45:43.000 I actually agree with you there.

00:45:44.000 However, I have to defend Nick because he was saying, I just want to move the culture in this way.

00:45:50.000 I don't want to force people to do any of this.

00:45:53.000 I want to direct the culture towards something where people make decisions that statistically make them happier.

00:45:58.000 If you read books like Charles Murray's Coming Apart, the statistics in their show that yes, having children gives you a more fulfilling life.

00:46:05.000 It gives you, yes, more ups and downs.

00:46:07.000 And sometimes you won't be as financially rich as you could have been, but it does give you more meaning in your life.

00:46:13.000 And some people have.

00:46:13.000 Appreciate that and want that in their society and culture.

00:46:16.000 There's a huge difference between saying, I think everybody should be able to choose to do what they want to do, but I think that most women would be happy doing this. 1.00

00:46:23.000 There's a difference between that and then going on Nick's Twitter and then seeing him find some woman that wants to join the pharmaceutical industry and being like, Look at this dumb fucking cunt. 1.00

00:46:31.000 I can't believe this stupid bitch wants to join the work of God. 1.00

00:46:34.000 What a fucking idiot. 1.00

00:46:35.000 You were railing on that chick because she wanted to get a normal time. 1.00

00:46:38.000 No, no, no, no. 1.00

00:46:39.000 You were railing on her.

00:46:40.000 Listen, bug man.

00:46:42.000 Listen, bug man.

00:46:43.000 Maybe you can't understand.

00:46:45.000 Christian passion, but there's a message. 0.99

00:46:47.000 No, because I don't give a fuck about your imaginary boogeyman in the sky. 1.00

00:46:50.000 We don't all have our lives by fucking. 1.00

00:46:53.000 I tip my fedora to you, Destiny. 1.00

00:46:56.000 Yes, I see we have a fellow big brain Nipah atheist here. 0.99

00:46:59.000 But no, look, I am passionate because I see women who are throwing their ovaries and their lives down the drain because some commercial, some like Hyundai Sonata commercial said, look, women can be Jedi, and they should be astronauts. 0.99

00:47:13.000 Women could be happy, you know, maybe if they're being a secretary, maybe if they're being a teacher or, you know, whatever. 0.98

00:47:18.000 But when they pursue these careers at the expense of a strong husband, a household. 1.00

00:47:24.000 Beautiful children.

00:47:25.000 It's a terrible mistake that they are making on the micro level and that we as a nation are making on the macro level.

00:47:31.000 I want them to be happy.

00:47:32.000 I only want women to be happy. 1.00

00:47:33.000 I'm the most feminist person here. 1.00

00:47:36.000 Happy.

00:47:38.000 Well, I appreciate you stating your views clearly earlier so that you guys understand that this is essentially like fundamentalist Islam, right?

00:47:44.000 This is pretty closely aligned with their views on women, right?

00:47:47.000 You understand that.

00:47:48.000 Lauren, do you understand?

00:47:49.000 We don't beat them.

00:47:50.000 Well, like I said, the difference is force and it being enforced by a Fist or a rock, or whatever it may be.

00:47:58.000 Like excessive bullying or moving the culture in a certain direction, you know, like this doesn't, as long as there's not actual gun hell to their head, it's a totally different thing.

00:48:06.000 Yes.

00:48:06.000 Of course it is.

00:48:07.000 Of course it is.

00:48:09.000 I remember when I was like, and I had my crazy one dimensional view of the world.

00:48:14.000 It felt so good.

00:48:15.000 Oh man.

00:48:16.000 I think what I was going to say was just that, yes, families need fathers too.

00:48:21.000 And I think what we're talking about is not just a mother, not just a father.

00:48:24.000 We need family units producing just well raised kids.

00:48:28.000 And that's a good point.

00:48:29.000 And I think what Destiny was doing, Destiny is a stripper name, by the way, but when Destiny was addressing Twitter, he was taking jokes or trolls out of context to try to make them as serious statements.

00:48:42.000 And he does that all the time.

00:48:43.000 And that's fine.

00:48:44.000 If that's how he wants to style, that's cool. 0.99

00:48:45.000 Well, you just get mad because you make a lot of statements where you lie and then you pretend later that you were trolling, like when you said you weren't fat as fuck and then everybody saw you. 0.98

00:48:53.000 I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, but I was going to talk about it. 0.97

00:48:57.000 It has nothing to do with anything.

00:48:58.000 Yeah, just absolutely nothing to do with anything.

00:49:00.000 Absolutely nothing.

00:49:01.000 Yeah, so what I was going to talk about is the forced.

00:49:03.000 Part two, like we're trying to act like these things are being forced.

00:49:06.000 We're talking about pushing the culture in a direction.

00:49:08.000 We're talking about making it okay for women to have babies.

00:49:11.000 We're in a place, like you said, with examples like Tina Fey and stuff.

00:49:15.000 We're talking about pushing single motherhood or even just single moms, not even having kids. 1.00

00:49:21.000 Sorry, just single ladies. 1.00

00:49:22.000 And that is supposed to be championed right now when we've proven statistically that women aren't happy that way. 1.00

00:49:29.000 They're happier with kids, they're happier in families, they're happier in marriages. 0.85

00:49:34.000 The other thing I'll say as far as a choice between career and children, no one ever regrets their children unless you had destiny as your kid, unless you're destiny's parents.

00:49:46.000 No one regrets having their kids.

00:49:47.000 You can regret it. 1.00

00:49:48.000 Why do women make a choice on their own? 1.00

00:49:50.000 Why force people?

00:49:52.000 No one is saying anything about forcing anybody.

00:49:54.000 You're the only one saying force.

00:49:56.000 Right.

00:49:56.000 We're just talking about ways we can redirect the culture or change our cultural attitudes toward families.

00:50:01.000 No one's talking about forcing anyone to do anything.

00:50:04.000 And nobody in our culture right now is saying women can't have kids.

00:50:07.000 Who is this invisible?

00:50:09.000 No one is saying, okay, when we're talking about this, we're talking about cultural norms and prevailing social attitudes.

00:50:13.000 Right now, no one's saying women cannot have kids, but there is a very, very strong narrative being pushed toward young women that they should be going after their careers rather than families, and that even white people shouldn't be having kids at all.

00:50:25.000 These are cultural attitudes.

00:50:26.000 Who thinks white people shouldn't be having kids at all? 0.77

00:50:28.000 Well, who thinks that's mainstream?

00:50:30.000 Prevailing mainstream narrative.

00:50:31.000 Mainstream by who?

00:50:32.000 Prevailing mainstream narrative.

00:50:33.000 The Independent just did an article on it.

00:50:36.000 The Spectator just did an article on it. 0.54

00:50:38.000 It is all saying why white people shouldn't have kids.

00:50:40.000 So I can go on the independent and I can find an article where they say white people shouldn't have children. 0.95

00:50:48.000 I will go and find these. 0.95

00:50:49.000 This is an article.

00:50:50.000 I would really love to see that article.

00:50:52.000 Oh, sorry.

00:50:52.000 Actually, you know what?

00:50:53.000 Sorry, I apologize.

00:50:54.000 I will correct myself there.

00:50:55.000 It didn't say white people.

00:50:56.000 It was saying why Western people shouldn't have children, why women would be happier without kids.

00:50:59.000 But there are a lot of narratives specifically about destroying the white nuclear family.

00:51:05.000 That is something that is prominent within classrooms. 1.00

00:51:08.000 I learned this in my feminist studies class. 1.00

00:51:10.000 So you can't name a single major figure.

00:51:12.000 This is something that I learned in university.

00:51:14.000 Okay.

00:51:14.000 So you can't name a single.

00:51:15.000 So this is a prevailing thing in mainstream culture, but you can't name a single prominent figure that pushes it.

00:51:20.000 That's what you're saying?

00:51:21.000 Yeah.

00:51:22.000 Destiny, if you go like just.

00:51:24.000 Okay.

00:51:24.000 Go on Twitter.

00:51:26.000 I don't get my politics from Twitter, dog.

00:51:26.000 Just go on Twitter.

00:51:28.000 I get my politics from political policies that are passing in Congress.

00:51:33.000 We're talking about culture right now.

00:51:35.000 And no one's saying that is illegal for white people to populate, but a lot of the regressive left, they're trying to push this idea that if you are a Western and a woman, you should not be having children.

00:51:45.000 And that is an issue.

00:51:46.000 And that is an attitude that I think we need to come back to.

00:51:48.000 That you've seen from people on Twitter.

00:51:50.000 And that's like the main informing thing in your life.

00:51:52.000 Like, this is what I'm fighting against because I saw some really bad tweets in a stargate movie.

00:51:56.000 Go on the Independent, right?

00:51:58.000 And the Independent, she just said that article didn't exist.

00:51:58.000 Lauren Southern.

00:52:02.000 She said it talked about West women having children.

00:52:04.000 This is my guess.

00:52:05.000 Without ever reading that article, my guess is going to be that the actual article itself is probably pretty nuanced. 0.56

00:52:10.000 It probably has something to do with Western people contribute more to climate change or some shit like that. 0.98

00:52:14.000 I'm probably not going to read the article and come away thinking, wow, they really want white people to have less kids. 0.96

00:52:19.000 That would be my guess if I had to read the article without ever having seen it or heard of it before. 0.76

00:52:23.000 Right.

00:52:23.000 But the issue is you have the exact same thing said by Macron, where he says, hey, in Africa, they should stop having so many kids because it's Hurting their ability to raise them properly and to raise healthy children, and everyone calls them a racist.

00:52:35.000 So, for some reason, it is racist for Macron to say, Hey, you shouldn't be having nine babies.

00:52:41.000 The BBC did an article on it. 0.98

00:52:43.000 You shouldn't be having nine babies in Africa. 0.60

00:52:45.000 That's racist.

00:52:46.000 So, I can find a BBC article calling for kids repeatedly in Europe.

00:52:50.000 Don't have kids repeatedly in America.

00:52:52.000 That's suddenly like a okay.

00:52:54.000 That is a great narrative. 1.00

00:52:55.000 And in fact, lots of feminist philosophers say we must.

00:52:59.000 Will you deny the fact that many feminist philosophers say we must? 1.00

00:53:02.000 Dissolve the white nuclear family. 0.68

00:53:04.000 No, this is the problem when you argue with you people is that what you guys do is you find, like, if I want to argue against a policy by, say, Republicans in the United States or right leaning politicians in the United States, I can point to actual legislation penned by actual congressmen and senators in Congress and I can talk about the impacts that these things will have.

00:53:24.000 So, for instance, attacks on women's rights to choose for an abortion or the North Carolina voter ID law or different or the transgender ban that Trump was sitting right.

00:53:32.000 I point to these things and I'll say these are problems.

00:53:34.000 But then, for Lauren or Roaming Millennial or No Dumbass or whatever, what you guys will do is you'll find, well, look at these seven tweets that I found and look at the professor that I had in college.

00:53:42.000 Like, how can you think that these things are at all the same type of thing?

00:53:45.000 The professors are actually more important.

00:53:47.000 Again, politics is downstream of culture.

00:53:49.000 You change culture first, and then politics eventually ends up reflecting that.

00:53:53.000 It's like if you believe that.

00:53:55.000 Do you really believe what you're saying right now?

00:53:56.000 So, you believe that right now, a person.

00:53:59.000 I'm a woman.

00:53:59.000 Hang on, Destiny.

00:54:00.000 Stop mansplaining.

00:54:00.000 Let me talk.

00:54:01.000 The people that are being taught by these professors right now, or even like younger than that, in Sweden, there's like the.

00:54:08.000 There's a state school system.

00:54:10.000 You don't have things like private schools or charter schools like we do have.

00:54:13.000 But when you have this almost anti Western bent being taught from the time children go to school, especially when they're in university, that affects the way people think.

00:54:23.000 And eventually that affects the way people vote.

00:54:25.000 So, yes, that is even more important than legislation.

00:54:27.000 It's very easy to overwrite legislation.

00:54:29.000 It's very hard to change the way people think.

00:54:31.000 Your entire argument is.

00:54:32.000 Okay, wait, wait, wait.

00:54:33.000 Let me just jump in here.

00:54:35.000 Sorry.

00:54:35.000 I just want to point out that The Guardian called Macron racist.

00:54:39.000 Box called Macron racist.

00:54:40.000 The Independent called Macron racist.

00:54:41.000 This is just the first page of articles.

00:54:43.000 So, just there are backups to what I'm saying, but continue.

00:54:49.000 I would love to see the articles.

00:54:50.000 Yeah, we can look it up.

00:54:50.000 I'm curious about it.

00:54:51.000 Essentially, look it up.

00:54:53.000 Yeah, I will.

00:54:53.000 Essentially, what you're saying.

00:54:55.000 I've got a voice training appointment, but Theron and Destiny, I'll buy you a drink later and peace.

00:55:01.000 Thank you for joining us, Contra.

00:55:03.000 I really appreciate it.

00:55:04.000 What you're essentially saying is that if the leftist policies in the school carry on long enough, it is possible that at some undetermined date in the future, left leaning thought might actually make it to Congress where right leaning thought is now.

00:55:17.000 That's what you're doing.

00:55:18.000 No, not only that it's possible, but also just that it's manifest in our lives right now.

00:55:23.000 But you can't point out a single way it has been in terms of legislation.

00:55:27.000 It's manifest in our statistics.

00:55:28.000 Look at the number of unwed mothers. 0.65

00:55:29.000 Look at the number of single mothers. 0.88

00:55:31.000 That's it, manifest right there. 0.79

00:55:32.000 Look at the number of children who are not having children.

00:55:37.000 It's manifest in our society right now.

00:55:38.000 What policy has a Democrat proposed to the United States that's caused this to happen?

00:55:43.000 Well, I think abortion would be one of them.

00:55:45.000 The welfare state would be another. 1.00

00:55:46.000 Women contribute to single. 1.00

00:55:48.000 That's literally the opposite of having an unwed single mother. 0.99

00:55:51.000 No, we're talking about life choices in general and the way. 0.98

00:55:54.000 Now that abortion is so readily available, women are free to be a lot more promiscuous and they're making worse decisions for their lives. 1.00

00:56:00.000 And the level of promiscuity that women exhibit during their dating period really affects their likelihood of forming long term stable commitments like marriage later on in life. 0.93

00:56:08.000 So, all of these. 0.91

00:56:09.000 Do you think the government needs to be legislating morality for how promiscuous we're allowed to be?

00:56:12.000 I thought you were the person of small government.

00:56:14.000 I didn't say they need to legislate, you can't sleep with these people.

00:56:17.000 But when we're talking about things like, oh, let's say welfare states, like if you enable a behavior and make it easier to do, you're encouraging it.

00:56:24.000 And it's not that we need to outlaw promiscuity, but we shouldn't make it easy.

00:56:28.000 For large single mothers to have these large families that they're raising without fathers. 0.95

00:56:34.000 We shouldn't be subsidizing that because it encourages that behavior. 1.00

00:56:38.000 All right.

00:56:38.000 I'm going to jump in quickly.

00:56:39.000 I will give you a chance to respond, but we've had someone join the chat.

00:56:43.000 Who is Brightside here?

00:56:46.000 Oh, hello.

00:56:48.000 I heard there was an Oompa Loompa meeting going on, so I wanted to join in.

00:56:51.000 Oh, wonderful.

00:56:52.000 We've got Meadow. 0.91

00:56:53.000 This is the Under Four Feet Tall Club, right?

00:56:55.000 Did I jump into the right stream?

00:56:58.000 I think he's here.

00:56:59.000 Did he wear the costume?

00:57:00.000 Yes, I did.

00:57:02.000 I dress as a leprechaun, so I think I should fit in.

00:57:06.000 What do you have to contribute to this wonderful stream so far, Metokur, since you decided to join us?

00:57:06.000 Excellent.

00:57:11.000 I've just been enjoying listening to everybody yell at each other.

00:57:13.000 That's been fantastic.

00:57:15.000 Who doesn't like that?

00:57:15.000 A nice, heated debate going on is always entertaining.

00:57:20.000 All right, perfect.

00:57:20.000 Steven, did you want to continue?

00:57:22.000 Yeah, so I guess in terms of American values or American society, I thought that, or at least for my goal personally, for my personal philosophy, is you always want to enable people to make the most choices that they can to maximize their own personal happiness.

00:57:34.000 So, things like access to contraceptives or things like giving women the right to choose for an abortion, these are positive things.

00:57:40.000 If you want to argue against it, I mean, you can, but that seems to be like earlier, I think you made fun of Nick because you said that he was authoritarian and you were libertarian.

00:57:47.000 But now you're talking about how the state needs to cut off access to things like abortion because we're enabling women to make bad choices or something.

00:57:55.000 Well, I think abortion is its own thing because I think, you know, someone's freedom to abortion is not trumped by the right of a fetus to, you know, not die.

00:58:03.000 But when we're talking about things like the welfare state, which I also mentioned, the welfare state is.

00:58:07.000 Basically, the antithesis of small government. 1.00

00:58:11.000 Yeah, I don't disagree with that, but we're not talking about the promiscuity of women. 1.00

00:58:15.000 It's like that was an issue that needed to be addressed by government. 1.00

00:58:18.000 Well, it's both. 0.56

00:58:18.000 So, the welfare state and abortion, those things in tandem have, I think, very much destroyed the prevalence of the nuclear family, especially when we're talking about low income communities. 0.56

00:58:28.000 And if we're looking at that now, like 40 years ago or 50 years ago, the African American instance of marriage. 0.77

00:58:38.000 What was comparable to white families? 0.87

00:58:40.000 If we look at that now, it's totally been destroyed. 0.98

00:58:43.000 And we can't ignore the policy implications that have come from things like, you know, enlarging the, what you call it, the welfare state.

00:58:51.000 And, you know, when we're talking about, I've, by the way, never said we should limit access to contraception.

00:58:56.000 That's something you threw in there.

00:58:57.000 Just want to mention that's something I've never said.

00:58:59.000 But we can't ignore that when we subsidize something, we make it easier to do. 1.00

00:59:03.000 And that's very much the fact with single mothers right now. 1.00

00:59:07.000 Okay, guys. 0.95

00:59:11.000 This is getting a little, this is stagnating in one spot.

00:59:14.000 We're just screaming at each other about single motherhood. 0.67

00:59:16.000 Not that it's not a, Fascinating topic and a massive problem in the West right now.

00:59:20.000 But I do want to see if anyone wants to move on to any other topics so that we can keep this entertaining, keep this fun, and move on to other people.

00:59:29.000 Nick, Theron, Medoker, anything you want to talk about?

00:59:32.000 Nobody else in particular.

00:59:33.000 No, I'm good.

00:59:35.000 I mean, if we're opening it up to just different topics of conversation, Destiny, what brand of stilts do you use?

00:59:42.000 Because I've been curious about it.

00:59:47.000 Higher personality run.

00:59:48.000 That's actually really funny.

00:59:50.000 Get off your high horse.

00:59:52.000 That's really good.

00:59:53.000 You got any more there in your little book there?

00:59:55.000 I know how long you've been doing.

00:59:56.000 Little book.

00:59:57.000 You're real excited.

00:59:58.000 Keep going, my dude.

01:00:00.000 What cartoon picture did you use to represent yourself for this conversation, buddy? 1.00

01:00:03.000 Three homosexual men. 1.00

01:00:05.000 That's pretty funny, dude. 0.99

01:00:08.000 You should appreciate it.

01:00:08.000 Three games.

01:00:09.000 You're a riot, my man.

01:00:11.000 I know.

01:00:11.000 I know you love it.

01:00:12.000 I know you love it.

01:00:13.000 That's why I'm here to bring the banter, Destiny.

01:00:16.000 This has just spiraled into productivity.

01:00:19.000 You guys, um, well, there's people in the chat, and I don't, I've talked a lot, so I don't need to start on this. 0.61

01:00:23.000 But people are in the chat are asking about, um, the whole it's okay to be white thing.

01:00:27.000 So I don't know if like Theron, Destiny, any of you guys have any, like, maybe we could talk about that.

01:00:32.000 All right, I don't know.

01:00:32.000 Sure, perfect.

01:00:35.000 Is anybody in this call selling fucking t shirts about this? 1.00

01:00:38.000 Because that's kind of, it's kind of gay. 1.00

01:00:40.000 I gotta be honest. 1.00

01:00:41.000 Because I've heard some people are trying to make some money off of that, and it's a little bit dumb, in my opinion, right?

01:00:48.000 I'm actually going to be hoping to go out and put some of the posters out soon.

01:00:51.000 I think it's a perfect.

01:00:52.000 Perfectly reasonable thing to put out and to support.

01:00:56.000 It's simple, pisses people off for all the right reasons.

01:00:58.000 T shirt's a little silly, manufacturing it mass. 0.97

01:01:01.000 But, Stephen, do you find it's okay to be white particularly offensive? 0.92

01:01:06.000 I mean, it's pretty obvious what the goal is, I guess, of your goals. 0.93

01:01:08.000 You just piss people off. 0.99

01:01:09.000 I mean, it kind of reminds me of the All Lives Matter movement. 0.89

01:01:13.000 Well, no, it's to expose a clear hypocrisy.

01:01:15.000 Well, no, it doesn't really expose that. 0.57

01:01:17.000 You had a campus come out and say this message does not represent our university, a message that says it's okay to be white.

01:01:25.000 You really just read it.

01:01:26.000 You just really, you read the line, Lauren, and that's it.

01:01:28.000 You just take it at face value like that.

01:01:30.000 What are you talking about, Destiny?

01:01:33.000 It's obvious what's going on in the country with an anti white bias. 0.58

01:01:37.000 A clear anti white bias. 0.68

01:01:38.000 Oh, God. 0.99

01:01:38.000 It's so hard to be a white man to be a black man. 0.99

01:01:41.000 Oh, God.

01:01:41.000 Steve, well, actually, it's easy because being white, we are pretty strong.

01:01:45.000 We've been through a lot.

01:01:46.000 So it's not difficult, but there is an anti white bias. 0.81

01:01:48.000 Look, affirmative action policies.

01:01:50.000 Oh, man. 0.66

01:01:51.000 Affirmative action. 0.85

01:01:52.000 My, you know, all that generational wealth handed down by whites over and over again. 1.00

01:01:52.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:01:56.000 And I didn't receive any generational wealth. 1.00

01:01:59.000 I didn't receive any generational wealth.

01:02:03.000 I'm glad that your personal story is representative of the average white man in the United States.

01:02:06.000 Once again, you display such a cunning understanding of statistics and data.

01:02:09.000 Keep it up.

01:02:10.000 The point is, the only institutional discrimination in the country today is against white people. 0.82

01:02:15.000 And you, I'm sure, maybe you're some kind of Black Lives Matter cuck, but many people have it in their minds that black people are discriminated against, that there's this institutional racism against non whites.

01:02:24.000 But in fact, the only institutional on the books policies that discriminate. 0.87

01:02:28.000 In practice, in written code against white people, are those affirmative action policies?

01:02:34.000 And you ask if those hurt people, you ask if that makes a difference. 0.97

01:02:36.000 Of course, it does.

01:02:37.000 You know, that you tell somebody who's white they don't get to go to college because of the color of their skin. 0.93

01:02:42.000 They don't get a job because of the color of their skin.

01:02:43.000 We've had in places where that was challenged, like at the University of Texas, they still took the top 10% of applicants, and the Supreme Court struck that down as not necessarily a thing of racism.

01:02:51.000 You're using your personal story to disprove that.

01:02:54.000 My personal story?

01:02:55.000 I'm not a U test student.

01:02:56.000 I'm saying, what are the other citing Supreme Court saying?

01:02:58.000 And if you want to talk about actual discrimination, like the voter ID laws in North Carolina, we all know there's an answer.

01:03:05.000 Voter ID laws do not discriminate by their written law.

01:03:11.000 Against any race.

01:03:13.000 Affirmative action policies are explicitly racist and not just against whites, but also against Asians.

01:03:20.000 So, I mean, like, we're at home.

01:03:21.000 The Supreme Court, dude, I don't want to argue their case against you. 0.87

01:03:23.000 I mean, like, in North Carolina, it was very, very clearly targeted towards black people.

01:03:26.000 The state legislature requested data by racial breakdown in order to disallow the very specific dates that black people voted and the very specific types of ID that black people used to vote and to close very specific black majority voting booths, right?

01:03:40.000 I know that for people like you, for the enlightened centrist, if it's not there in the letter of the law, you don't think that it's racist. 0.96

01:03:45.000 But for the rest of us that have to deal with the pragmatic implementation of policy in the real world, these things end up being pretty fucking racist. 0.98

01:03:51.000 Destiny, this little guy, you must hate him. 0.97

01:03:54.000 All right, all right, all right.

01:03:57.000 You're always making excuses.

01:03:59.000 I like to say, let's hold everybody to the same standard.

01:04:01.000 Let's have the same expectations of everybody.

01:04:04.000 I think the people, not to go Dems are the real racist, but you know what, Destiny? 0.98

01:04:08.000 You don't care about black people. 0.97

01:04:09.000 In fact, I think you think less of black people because you read into their experience. 0.98

01:04:15.000 All these excuses.

01:04:16.000 Oh, well, it was voter ID laws. 0.98

01:04:18.000 Oh, well, it's explicitly anti black. 0.94

01:04:19.000 No, no, no.

01:04:20.000 The truth of the matter is how much money has been dedicated to these programs for inner cities, for black youth, for blacks in STEM, for blacks in college, diversity quotas, and nothing's changed.

01:04:31.000 So it's time to say, you know what? 0.92

01:04:32.000 We are in the post racial America.

01:04:35.000 I grew up in a country where there was no institutional discrimination.

01:04:37.000 It's time to say, look, everybody's got to play ball.

01:04:40.000 Everybody's got to play by the same rules.

01:04:42.000 How do you explain studies where they take similar applications and they switch out a white name with a black name and the guy has a 50% chance less of getting a call back? 0.65

01:04:49.000 How do you explain something like that? 0.60

01:04:51.000 I can explain that easily because blacks and whites, there are differences in the representation and the statistics. 0.90

01:04:56.000 For example, if you look at the crime statistics for 2016, you look at just about any, no, I think it's all measures of crime, and black people commit by far and away more crime than white people. 0.73

01:05:06.000 And by the way, the proportions are virtually the same, whether it's rape, murder, whatever you want to divide it by. 0.89

01:05:12.000 And so then people are using the economy of information.

01:05:15.000 Why did you pivot?

01:05:16.000 Why did I pivot? 0.72

01:05:17.000 Why is it fair that if a black guy has the exact same application as a white Person and his name is switched with a white person, he'll have twice the chance. 0.63

01:05:23.000 By the way, where does this happen? 0.58

01:05:25.000 What it's one of the most popular studies on institutional racism.

01:05:25.000 Where does this happen?

01:05:29.000 What study?

01:05:30.000 What study?

01:05:31.000 Hold on, actually, regarding that study, I have heard of it as well.

01:05:39.000 But I know everyone has heard of it.

01:05:40.000 It's like it's one of the most destiny.

01:05:42.000 I'm throwing you a bone, just hold on a sec, okay?

01:05:45.000 Right?

01:05:45.000 But I think what's interesting regarding that study, if you look at what are the traditionally black names that they've chosen, they're actually, I mean, they're things like you know, Shaniqua, things like that.

01:05:53.000 Black people can have names like Darren, like Wilson, things like that.

01:05:57.000 So if the white person has the wrong name, it's okay to discriminate against them?

01:06:00.000 I'm making a point, Destiny.

01:06:02.000 How do you think a white person with a name like, I don't know, Billy Bob Thornton would do?

01:06:07.000 Like, how do you think a white person with a name like, I don't know, Mary Sue or like, I don't know, hillbilly redneck names?

01:06:14.000 I think, you know, I'm not saying that racism doesn't exist within individual hiring practices, but I also think there's an element of classism here that perhaps people are ignoring, right?

01:06:22.000 And it's not just like, oh, black versus white.

01:06:25.000 It's also, I mean, it's also a Class thing you can tell a lot with a name.

01:06:28.000 Can you take white names, replace them with black names, and somehow extrapolate from it? 0.52

01:06:32.000 It must be what is a white name versus a black name? 0.96

01:06:35.000 Give me a black name to. 0.95

01:06:36.000 Destiny, like Tyrone or Jamal, not generally.

01:06:44.000 Are we gonna sit here?

01:06:48.000 I love the dishonest. 0.62

01:06:49.000 We're gonna sit here and pretend that white people don't have certain names generally, and black people don't tend to have certain names. 0.99

01:06:54.000 How many white women do you know that are named Shaniqua?

01:06:57.000 I believe in equality.

01:06:58.000 Okay, there's no differences between, yeah, but you also believe that somebody that goes to Washington High School is gonna have the same opportunities in life as somebody that goes to like St. Louis, the 23rd.

01:07:09.000 I'm hearing a lot of problematic rhetoric coming out of you that there's a white woman.

01:07:14.000 We go into a corner that we can't respond.

01:07:16.000 Better pull out our memes, boys.

01:07:18.000 Problematic.

01:07:19.000 Does anyone else hear like Lake Hakistan?

01:07:21.000 I don't believe there is any such thing as a black name.

01:07:26.000 I want to jump in here for two seconds. 0.89

01:07:29.000 I thought you were black. 0.96

01:07:31.000 I thought you were black. 1.00

01:07:32.000 Come on, guys. 0.98

01:07:34.000 We all know that black guys aren't called Steven. 1.00

01:07:36.000 Like, I mean, Destiny's right.

01:07:38.000 You can't tell me that no black people have the name Steven.

01:07:41.000 I remember when Destiny said that. 0.97

01:07:43.000 All right. 0.99

01:07:45.000 Sorry, I've let this go to shit. 0.94

01:07:47.000 I hope you're enjoying this on your Sunday evening, anyways, guys. 0.87

01:07:51.000 I do want to mention, though, I have a question about the name thing because this does happen in a lot of cases.

01:07:57.000 What about in higher learning?

01:07:58.000 You had that gentleman, and this is a story that many of us know about, easily Googleable, where he kept repeatedly entering his poetry to be accepted, to be published, to be published, to be published, and he could not get it published until he changed his name to an Asian name.

01:08:13.000 Because then he was suddenly within a criteria of like diversity hiring.

01:08:18.000 So, within the arts, within other fields, you certainly see this as well.

01:08:21.000 And this is just a natural thing that exists in the world. 0.95

01:08:23.000 It is certainly being pushed by leftist agendas who want to get rid of whites.

01:08:28.000 And right now, our culture is currently pushing against any sort of agenda to hire against or being prejudiced towards minorities.

01:08:36.000 That is not a popular trend in the culture at all.

01:08:39.000 It's pushing the opposite way to be prejudiced towards whites, even if that is still happening to an extent.

01:08:44.000 Once again, your evidence for this is a single data point.

01:08:47.000 Why?

01:08:48.000 You just cited one single study.

01:08:51.000 I cited one of the most comprehensive studies from the National Bureau of Economics Research called Are Emily and Greg More Employable Than Lakeisha and Jamal?

01:08:59.000 The study is kind of old, but it has been one of the most comprehensive studies.

01:09:02.000 They did thousands of applications on this to see whether or not a well-off job is a good job.

01:09:06.000 Okay, well, then, Stephen, let me cite the law.

01:09:08.000 There's diversity hiring in Canada for all government jobs.

01:09:12.000 If I'm a woman or someone who is black or Asian or whatever, I am more likely to get a job in the military or police force or in education. 0.97

01:09:19.000 That is the freaking law. 0.98

01:09:21.000 So. 0.99

01:09:21.000 Beyond just social prejudices, we have it as a legal prejudice against whites. 0.99

01:09:27.000 True. 0.84

01:09:30.000 And also, in the.

01:09:32.000 Go ahead.

01:09:33.000 You got an answer to that.

01:09:35.000 Well, I mean, the goal behind affirmative action policies is that usually they try to open up positions or they try to find ways to help groups that have been disproportionately impacted by past law.

01:09:46.000 And generally, white people don't seem to be hurt by this very much. 0.57

01:09:49.000 That's why we're not having a discussion right now about how all of the white communities are being destroyed and all of white is. 0.61

01:09:53.000 The white hood, or whatever, white people are being thrown into poverty as a result of these horrible, atrocious affirmative action programs. 0.99

01:09:59.000 Like, you can cite me all the one off things you want, or like, well, the law says this thing, but you can't find me these communities of white people that are being destroyed by criminal justice systems or being destroyed by, you know, failing education systems or fucked up cities. 0.99

01:10:11.000 Like, you just can't find it. 0.96

01:10:12.000 I love how you say it's the criminal justice system. 1.00

01:10:14.000 Like, black people commit crime, black people go to jail. 1.00

01:10:18.000 It's the criminal justice system. 0.99

01:10:19.000 No, maybe if there was, maybe there's a culture of responsibility.

01:10:22.000 And, I mean, like, if you look at reported rates for marijuana use, there are plenty of age groups.

01:10:27.000 I think in every age group, it's like, Two or three, like five year chunks.

01:10:30.000 White people report higher use of marijuana than black people do, but black people are like twice as likely to be locked up. 0.85

01:10:35.000 Yeah, that's because there's more violent crime. 0.99

01:10:37.000 That's because there's more violent crime in black neighborhoods. 1.00

01:10:39.000 You want to know why they get locked up for because the police have to be there. 0.99

01:10:42.000 I don't know if you've ever been to Chicago, Stephen, but there's a lot of marijuana usage.

01:10:46.000 Ryan, in the suburbs, not a lot of gang killings, not a lot of rape.

01:10:50.000 You go a little bit east, and there's a lot of that stuff.

01:10:52.000 It makes sense why the police go over there.

01:10:55.000 All day long, you want to pretend that at once there's no differences between people.

01:10:59.000 We're all equal.

01:11:00.000 They're so poor, whatever, blah, blah, blah. 0.88

01:11:02.000 But at the same time, there's black names. 0.98

01:11:05.000 At the same time, You know, you can't have it always. 1.00

01:11:07.000 I don't want to have it always.

01:11:08.000 You always try to present this as the most hyperbolic thing possible. 0.80

01:11:11.000 Believe it or not, it is simultaneously possible to recognize that there are problems in the black community, some of them maybe even belonging to black people and black cultures themselves, while also recognizing that black people have disproportionately faced really fucked up things in their history in America that other white people haven't. 0.89

01:11:25.000 You can simultaneously recognize both of these positions and be just fine. 0.64

01:11:29.000 What are some, Steve?

01:11:30.000 I'm just curious.

01:11:31.000 What would you say are some black cultural problems?

01:11:33.000 Name some for me. 1.00

01:11:35.000 Yeah, conceit. 0.99

01:11:36.000 Well, I mean, black people's relationship to the police is. 0.99

01:11:39.000 Pretty fucking dire at the moment, I would say, right? 1.00

01:11:42.000 Maybe they should stop doing crimes. 0.95

01:11:45.000 In what context?

01:11:46.000 From the police to the police? 0.97

01:11:47.000 Or from black people to the police? 1.00

01:11:50.000 What? 0.89

01:11:50.000 I said, in what context? 0.89

01:11:52.000 We were talking like black cultural problems. 0.99

01:11:54.000 I just want to hear you name a few.

01:11:55.000 Do you mean their relationship with the police as in the police are treating them badly or black people are responding badly to the police? 0.78

01:12:02.000 I would say it's probably a combination of both. 0.99

01:12:04.000 But a lot of this roots from the problems of police legitimately fucking up black people in earlier in the 50s and 60s and shit, right? 0.98

01:12:11.000 A lot of culture is reactionary to other problems. 0.99

01:12:14.000 That's just goofy, man.

01:12:15.000 Nobody who is 20 years old today knows police brutality from the 1950s.

01:12:20.000 You can't do that.

01:12:21.000 No, but the literal parachute.

01:12:23.000 Historical racism.

01:12:24.000 That doesn't excuse.

01:12:26.000 And by the way, it's not like it's just like communities here that haven't been working.

01:12:31.000 Certain people have been failing for thousands of years. 0.81

01:12:34.000 And to write that off as like, oh, well, it's just because they haven't been given enough money or programs, I think is a little bit ridiculous.

01:12:41.000 It's kind of coincidental. 0.97

01:12:41.000 That's ridiculous. 0.97

01:12:42.000 But paying them all $1,000 to ship them back. 0.98

01:12:44.000 To Africa. 0.98

01:12:45.000 That's a very realistic problem.

01:12:46.000 I don't know who's talking about that.

01:12:48.000 Who's talking about shipping them back to Africa?

01:12:51.000 Wait, no, Steve, who raised that point?

01:12:53.000 I didn't hear that once during the stream.

01:12:55.000 Yeah, right? 0.70

01:12:56.000 Isn't that part of the big meme for you building your white ethno state?

01:12:58.000 No, no, wacky Steve.

01:13:00.000 Wait, so how do you deal with it right now? 1.00

01:13:02.000 How do you deal with all those evil brown people? 1.00

01:13:05.000 What are you talking about? 1.00

01:13:06.000 Dealing with the.

01:13:07.000 What are you talking about, wacky Steve? 1.00

01:13:09.000 You want a white. 1.00

01:13:10.000 I'm sorry, I thought you mentioned a white supermajority of the United States earlier. 0.97

01:13:13.000 Did you know?

01:13:14.000 Yeah, yeah, by.

01:13:14.000 Exactly, by raising birth.

01:13:16.000 Rates by having families again, by having family replacements. 0.98

01:13:18.000 So, how do you keep Hispanic and black people from having kids and make white people a better person? 0.99

01:13:21.000 Nobody's talking about that. 0.98

01:13:23.000 No, I want you to talk about it.

01:13:24.000 How do you do it?

01:13:26.000 We're not trying to stop people from having babies.

01:13:28.000 We want the majority in the country to start having kids again.

01:13:31.000 And it's because their birth rate is so low that their population hasn't been maintained. 0.81

01:13:37.000 By the way, Stephen, do you think it's been like an accident that the population of whites in the country went from 90% to 67% in 50 years? 0.57

01:13:44.000 Do you think that was an accident? 0.96

01:13:45.000 It was.

01:13:46.000 For us to want to move in the opposite direction, we're villains for that.

01:13:51.000 You're the ones that want to push this artificial transformation, unnatural transformation of our country, and we have to justify ending that.

01:14:01.000 It's insanely natural. 1.00

01:14:02.000 It's just immigration. 0.90

01:14:03.000 You're the ones that's talking about arbitrarily restricting certain people to coming to the country.

01:14:08.000 You're the definition of arbitrary. 1.00

01:14:09.000 It's hardly arbitrary to say the people from broken, non states, from failed states, shouldn't come into our country. 1.00

01:14:15.000 Hey, Syria, you can't come in here. 1.00

01:14:17.000 You call that arbitrary when.

01:14:18.000 Would 20% of their people support ISIS?

01:14:20.000 I don't think so. 1.00

01:14:21.000 I mean, Syria is a refugee case.

01:14:23.000 Do you want to talk about refugees or immigrants, or do you just mix all these groups together? 0.82

01:14:26.000 Well, okay, you know, let's take Mexico, for example, where south of certain districts, it's lawless.

01:14:31.000 You have no government, the cartels run the country.

01:14:34.000 So, yeah, I mean, you could take Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Africa, the Middle East.

01:14:39.000 What legislation or policies are Mexicans pushing in the United States that are causing it to turn into Mexico? 0.74

01:14:45.000 All right, just get a point. 0.95

01:14:46.000 1965 and the 1965 Immigration Act.

01:14:48.000 What is 1965? 0.71

01:14:49.000 No, I want to know what policies Mexicans pushing in the United States are doing. 0.99

01:14:52.000 Yeah, sure, sure. 0.95

01:14:53.000 The provisions that are turning us into Mexico. 0.85

01:14:55.000 It's not Mexicans doing it, it's a certain group of rootless transnational elites. 0.92

01:14:59.000 The Hart Celler Act, which pushed certain provisions, it eliminated the national origins quota, it said that.

01:15:04.000 It allowed chain migration so that people that are families of immigrants can come here. 0.86

01:15:08.000 That was deliberate. 0.99

01:15:09.000 And again, you put the burden of proof on us to end your program to transform our country.

01:15:15.000 This wasn't your program.

01:15:17.000 This isn't our program.

01:15:18.000 All right, guys, the white men have taken over the chat. 0.99

01:15:21.000 This is absolutely disgusting. 1.00

01:15:22.000 It is bigoted. 1.00

01:15:23.000 I've had enough of white men running this stream. 0.51

01:15:25.000 So we are going to bring in some minority voices for about two seconds here. 0.96

01:15:30.000 Theron, did you want to jump in and comment on any of the autistic screeching you've heard for the last 30 minutes? 0.92

01:15:37.000 Well, every time I have a moment to jump in to comment on a topic, we've already moved on to another topic. 0.96

01:15:43.000 I still have some thoughts on the it's okay to be white thing. 0.81

01:15:50.000 So that was a while ago.

01:15:52.000 I know.

01:15:54.000 I know, missed that train. 0.99

01:15:56.000 You guys are so heated, and I guess I'm not assertive enough to just jump in and say, everyone, shut up.

01:16:03.000 But is it worth going back on that?

01:16:07.000 Otherwise, we can just carry on and I'll just comment on something if I have a thought on any new.

01:16:12.000 No, no, no, no, please bring up a new point.

01:16:14.000 Bring up something new.

01:16:14.000 Yeah.

01:16:15.000 Oh, something completely new?

01:16:17.000 Whatever you want.

01:16:18.000 I'm on.

01:16:19.000 This is a diverse stream.

01:16:20.000 Everyone is allowed to bring in new opinions.

01:16:22.000 Everyone's allowed to talk. 0.77

01:16:25.000 No, I just wanted to comment on the it's okay to be white thing because it dovetails into a larger point that I have. 0.58

01:16:34.000 So that was put up on university campuses, right?

01:16:38.000 Yes.

01:16:39.000 All over the place.

01:16:41.000 Okay.

01:16:42.000 Well, the thing is that.

01:16:44.000 We all know that anti white sentiments are prevailing on campus.

01:16:49.000 I mean, that is just obvious. 0.89

01:16:51.000 So I think that makes a lot of sense to put stuff like that, like it's okay to be white signs up on university campuses.

01:17:00.000 And I think the thing with the mainstream media and leftists is that they just immediately interpret as the worst possible interpretation of, oh, this is Nazi propaganda.

01:17:13.000 And that doesn't mean that there couldn't be subtext ever.

01:17:18.000 Certainly, there could be some subtext, but I still think it's still important to employ the principle of charity and to interpret statements, to use the best plausible interpretation of a statement or argument when conversing with someone else.

01:17:35.000 And that's a problem on both sides.

01:17:37.000 I think that's a problem with the right and a problem with the left when dealing with each other, is that they don't employ the principle of charity towards one another.

01:17:47.000 And so, like Nick and Stephen, everything is translated in the worst possible way.

01:17:51.000 Yes.

01:17:52.000 Translation of the way.

01:17:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:17:55.000 Spaghetti.

01:17:56.000 That's my second language.

01:17:58.000 So, for example, when Stephen said black names, obviously he didn't mean names that are inherently black.

01:18:06.000 Obviously, he meant names that are predominantly associated or are mostly assigned to people who are black.

01:18:16.000 That is the most reasonable, the best, strongest, plausible interpretation.

01:18:22.000 So, that's not fair, right?

01:18:23.000 That is not charitable.

01:18:26.000 And then I'm sure Steve said a bunch of things towards Nick that was not really very charitable towards Nick, though I can't think of one right now.

01:18:34.000 This is the nature of debate these days.

01:18:36.000 It's funny, it's entertaining, and it is helpful to debate.

01:18:39.000 And when the opponent in a debate is not charitable with you, why be charitable with them is what it ultimately comes down to.

01:18:46.000 It's not necessarily the most radical, centrist, most reasonable way of approaching things, but it is the world we live in and it is the state of debate that we are in now.

01:18:57.000 It's gotten to extremes where Of course, you have, for example, the Antifa holding up that we support pedos, no pedo bashing thing, where they literally dropped that immediately after, according to some articles, and interpreting that the wrong way has really destroyed any sort of argument or actually attacking their actual points.

01:19:17.000 But, I mean, with the current way that the left is treating the right, it is just as devolved.

01:19:23.000 How do we fix this, guys?

01:19:25.000 Let's end this stream on a nice point.

01:19:27.000 Where is some common ground that you lads can find?

01:19:31.000 Let's go to Stephen and Nick since you guys have been at each other's throats.

01:19:35.000 Any common ground you want?

01:19:36.000 I mean, people like Stephen need to be thrown in jail, okay?

01:19:40.000 These subversives. 0.91

01:19:41.000 Well, no. 1.00

01:19:42.000 Before we can stop, I mean, it's really stupid. 1.00

01:19:44.000 Why would you say that? 1.00

01:19:45.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:19:45.000 The problem, why are you reading into it? 1.00

01:19:47.000 You hear people ruling the country and then you think Jew?

01:19:50.000 Are you anti Semitic?

01:19:51.000 Transnational.

01:19:52.000 I know, dude.

01:19:52.000 I watched all the videos.

01:19:54.000 I know who those transnationalist elites are.

01:19:55.000 I got my eyes on them.

01:19:56.000 Well, you are an anti Semite, okay? 1.00

01:19:58.000 But here's where we can find some. 1.00

01:20:00.000 I'm just a realist, dude.

01:20:01.000 Here's where we can find some common ground.

01:20:03.000 People like Stephen have to be held responsible for the fact that they are pushing policies that are transformative and the natural order continues to be perverted.

01:20:13.000 And I think if we could argue from that axiom where Stephen has to justify millions of people coming here, instead of me having to justify why we don't take millions of people, I think that's a productive way to change the conversation because it happens to be the reality of the situation.

01:20:27.000 Can I just jump in?

01:20:29.000 Yeah, go for it.

01:20:29.000 Sure.

01:20:30.000 Yeah, I need to take issue four.

01:20:32.000 I need to take issue with Nick's constant use of the term natural order because I think it's a complete misnomer.

01:20:39.000 I think it's maybe in your mind religious order or traditional order or cultural order.

01:20:44.000 It's not natural order.

01:20:45.000 I don't think you understand nature and biodiversity if you want to equate natural order with whatever you're talking about because nature actually allows for a lot of variation.

01:20:58.000 And of course, there are trends.

01:21:00.000 Of course, there are trends.

01:21:02.000 Women are, on average, predisposed to want to have children, but that doesn't mean that nature doesn't allow for some women who are predisposed to probably hate to have children and would probably be better off not having children.

01:21:16.000 This whole idea that there is this order ordained by nature, in your case, God, onto humans is just fallacious.

01:21:27.000 The reality of the situation is that nature is constantly in flux, that the environment is constantly in flux, and that we're constantly adapting.

01:21:35.000 So, the natural order is constantly changing.

01:21:38.000 It's just religious order. 0.76

01:21:39.000 Please stop equating your understanding of what humans should be with nature.

01:21:44.000 Well, you're one to lecture on naturalism, but the natural order of things, we all understand what that means.

01:21:50.000 And up until very recently, we all understood what that means.

01:21:53.000 What are you talking about?

01:21:55.000 You're someone to talk.

01:21:56.000 Well, because you are living an alternative lifestyle.

01:21:59.000 You are living a lifestyle.

01:22:01.000 You are making choices that are unnatural.

01:22:04.000 And that's not me saying that.

01:22:06.000 That is God saying that. 1.00

01:22:08.000 No, Now, please, absolutely, that's complete bullshit. 0.97

01:22:14.000 The idea that nature doesn't allow for variation. 0.98

01:22:18.000 Where do you see gender reassignment surgeries in the animal kingdom? 0.91

01:22:22.000 Where do you see like little kangaroos? 0.95

01:22:25.000 Can we not make this about me?

01:22:27.000 Well, like, because you're supposed to talk about this.

01:22:30.000 Hey, you brought yourselves an ad hominem.

01:22:32.000 You brought yourselves an ad hominem.

01:22:34.000 I was talking about your ideas. 0.66

01:22:36.000 I was talking about your ideas, and then you made it about my gender.

01:22:39.000 Well, we know why you take issue with this natural order.

01:22:42.000 We know why this is.

01:22:43.000 I'm not even, I'm not talking about the whole trans thing.

01:22:48.000 I'm talking about, I'm relating this to like women wanting to or not wanting to have kids. 0.88

01:22:53.000 Well, in that case, well, but the exception. 0.95

01:22:56.000 That's just like, that is just a perfect example of an ad hoc argument.

01:23:01.000 Fair enough. 1.00

01:23:02.000 But then, with regard to women, the exception proves the rule. 0.99

01:23:07.000 Of course, you can have women that are working. 0.99

01:23:08.000 Of course, you have anomalies. 0.98

01:23:09.000 Catherine the Great, Joan of Arc, Elizabeth, Victoria.

01:23:13.000 We can have exceptions, but the exceptions prove the rule.

01:23:16.000 I mean, that's the whole point.

01:23:17.000 I mean, you wouldn't say, for example, that because you have an apple.

01:23:20.000 Yes, well, that's why I'm saying.

01:23:22.000 By some freak example, an apple is blue.

01:23:24.000 You wouldn't say that apples come in.

01:23:26.000 Red, green, green.

01:23:27.000 I'm saying that natural order allows for variation.

01:23:30.000 You just proved my point.

01:23:32.000 You have an idea in your mind of religious order.

01:23:35.000 You have an idea in your mind of cultural order.

01:23:36.000 Well, I mean, I don't see eye to eye with Nick on everything, but I don't think it's necessarily him inserting religion into this to say that the natural order is for people to be forming pair bonds and having children.

01:23:47.000 Even if we accept that if people, some people, individuals may not want to do that, it is undisputably the natural order for people to make children and raise them.

01:23:56.000 Things you're talking about the natural order as exists as a scientific fact.

01:23:59.000 Nick is asserting that is a philosophical ought.

01:24:02.000 These are two gaps that, well, I mean, it's both.

01:24:04.000 No, no, no, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not both.

01:24:09.000 Um, you cannot bridge the fact that some things exist in the world of science and they all of a sudden become biological imperatives.

01:24:14.000 We spend plenty of time in our daily lives, we are talking to each other on video screens using computers to communicate with one another.

01:24:21.000 Okay, we do a lot of things that can't be directly tied to our biological imperatives.

01:24:26.000 Um, right, but that doesn't, that doesn't make it.

01:24:28.000 Do you hunt for your food, Nick?

01:24:29.000 Have you gone out hunting recently?

01:24:31.000 Of course, it's different to say that we use technology.

01:24:34.000 No, no, no.

01:24:35.000 But in principle, well, and we can talk about Ted Kaczynski and if we should even be doing all of this.

01:24:39.000 But besides the point, we're using tools.

01:24:41.000 We're using tools.

01:24:42.000 But the fundamental reality, the principles of human behavior did not change.

01:24:46.000 Well, this is a tool.

01:24:48.000 The market process, the civilization can be considered a sociological tool, of course.

01:24:52.000 I mean, that's a fallacious argument that I don't think anybody thinks is relevant to the conversation.

01:24:57.000 You know, to equate anarcho primitivism to using your Biological limitations to govern your decision making.

01:25:04.000 I don't think anybody equates those two except for you.

01:25:06.000 Well, there are going to be nobody in society that talks about moral limitations.

01:25:10.000 All right, all right, all right.

01:25:10.000 You two are going to take over the stream again.

01:25:12.000 So I'm going to give Theron a chance to respond and then Romain a chance to respond.

01:25:16.000 Here's the difference someone who is naturally predisposed not to want to have children and probably not be a good mother and probably someone who shouldn't have children.

01:25:27.000 She's not someone who goes against the natural order.

01:25:29.000 She is someone who is part of a natural order as a variation.

01:25:34.000 On that order.

01:25:35.000 There's a difference between being an exception to the rule and going against the rule, and this idea of intentionality.

01:25:44.000 And that's where natural order, that's where this religious thinking comes in and where the moralistic argumentation comes in.

01:25:51.000 That is exactly what Nick is talking about.

01:25:54.000 He's using nature to explain his religiosity.

01:26:00.000 And I don't agree with that.

01:26:02.000 Even if I consider myself a traditionalist.

01:26:05.000 In many ways, in many ways, and I think that our society should be a lot more traditional in many ways.

01:26:11.000 I'm not going to use natural order to explain my point of view because it's just.

01:26:17.000 Okay, here we go.

01:26:18.000 Here we go.

01:26:19.000 I think I can identify the problem, and the problem here seems to be semantics.

01:26:23.000 It seems to be that, of course, Theron, you are right.

01:26:27.000 Variations are part of the natural order, technically speaking.

01:26:31.000 However, when we're speaking on just a general term of naturally, this is typically what happens.

01:26:37.000 Generally speaking, I understand what Nick's point is, and generally speaking, I understand what Roman Millennial's point is, but technically speaking, you are correct.

01:26:46.000 This is an argument over semantics, though.

01:26:50.000 This is not just the technicality.

01:26:53.000 Because there's a very, very, very important difference in meaning when you say someone is an exception to the natural order and someone is going against the natural order or the ordained word of God.

01:27:06.000 There's a difference between just existing as a woman who just is naturally predisposed not to want to have children and a woman who is sinning against the word of God because she doesn't want to have children.

01:27:20.000 Well, I mean, I don't think Nick has said that in this stream that people are sinning against.

01:27:24.000 The word of God, if they don't.

01:27:25.000 Well, I'm talking about intentionality here.

01:27:28.000 I'm talking about intention.

01:27:30.000 Right, but I think when we think about.

01:27:33.000 You can't ascribe intention onto nature.

01:27:35.000 You can't describe your morality onto nature.

01:27:39.000 This is not necessarily a moral.

01:27:41.000 Natural selection does not have intention.

01:27:46.000 Well, the intention.

01:27:47.000 We're talking about reproduction, and the intention of reproduction is to have children.

01:27:51.000 But that's not how we use it in society today.

01:27:53.000 Everybody uses contraception.

01:27:55.000 Yeah, but we are talking specifically about.

01:27:55.000 Even in the United States.

01:27:58.000 Talking specifically about families, or at least that's what my impression was when we're talking about women having families and having children.

01:28:04.000 Maybe I've lost sight of the conversation, though.

01:28:06.000 Totally possible.

01:28:07.000 Yeah, I think I might be a little lost.

01:28:09.000 So, what Theron is the difference between what these two are arguing, I think, okay, if I can try to understand Nick's point of view, is Nick says that there is a certain order to the natural world, that this order is something that can be factually and scientifically observed, and that we should do our best to preserve that order in society.

01:28:23.000 That's essentially Nick's argument, right?

01:28:24.000 Is that a fair summary of your point?

01:28:26.000 It is natural, societal, and cosmic.

01:28:29.000 The order I'm talking about.

01:28:30.000 So, you know, you say that it's philosophical and it's also biological.

01:28:33.000 It's all part of a coherent system. 0.94

01:28:35.000 But that's just bullshit because the natural order cannot change in a thousand years. 0.94

01:28:40.000 In a thousand years, of course. 0.93

01:28:44.000 The problem is that the environment is constantly changing and we are constantly adapting to a constantly changing environment.

01:28:52.000 So, in a million years' time, what is the natural order then?

01:28:55.000 The cosmic order then is completely different from what it is now.

01:28:58.000 This idea that it's this.

01:29:00.000 Platonic ideal and eternally stable thing is completely religious.

01:29:04.000 Of course, it's eternal.

01:29:05.000 Of course, and it's been true.

01:29:07.000 No, it's not.

01:29:08.000 It's not completely eternal.

01:29:10.000 Are you going to let me finish, babe?

01:29:12.000 Okay, look, of course it's eternal.

01:29:14.000 Men and women are not in flux biologically.

01:29:17.000 Maybe in a million years, and we'll have to ask our future selves in a million years if the biology has changed.

01:29:24.000 But as it stands, men and women still have different brain chemistry.

01:29:27.000 As it stands, men and women still have different biology.

01:29:31.000 Of course they do. 0.98

01:29:31.000 And biology. 0.98

01:29:32.000 And I agree with you.

01:29:33.000 You.

01:29:33.000 Stephen believes in comparative advantage only insofar as it extends to the marketplace.

01:29:37.000 He doesn't believe in comparative advantage when it comes to the fact that women are more suited to rearing and raising children and men more suited to hunting, building things.

01:29:45.000 I totally believe that.

01:29:49.000 I think that if we had a 100% equal society where there was no pressure on any sides whatsoever, I think that you would see women gravitate towards some jobs more than men.

01:29:57.000 I totally 100% believe that. 0.71

01:29:59.000 No, they would gravitate towards the home.

01:30:00.000 That would be the job they gravitate towards.

01:30:02.000 I'm sorry.

01:30:02.000 Oh, yeah.

01:30:02.000 Because in your world, no woman ever wants to work any job ever.

01:30:06.000 Okay. 1.00

01:30:07.000 But In the marketplace, if women could still work in the world where they're allowed to choose jobs, that women would probably gravitate towards some things more than others.

01:30:15.000 The problem is that what Nick is trying to do is Nick is taking his observation of the natural order and he's trying to extrapolate a system of morals from that.

01:30:21.000 But in society, we generally don't do this. 0.91

01:30:24.000 If we have a person who is, like, say, we have somebody that's disabled, right? 0.88

01:30:28.000 Somebody in a wheelchair. 1.00

01:30:29.000 We don't typically say, well, naturally speaking, this is a person that needs to die. 1.00

01:30:33.000 We shouldn't be providing medical resources for them.

01:30:35.000 We shouldn't be providing food for them because, naturally speaking, somebody that.

01:30:38.000 We also wouldn't be saying that that person is going against the natural order.

01:30:42.000 Exactly.

01:30:42.000 But I mean, to address that, we also, to be fair, wouldn't say that that person.

01:30:47.000 Is completely normal.

01:30:48.000 It's very clear that they have a disability. 0.99

01:30:49.000 And if I can bring this back to the whole debate about women and having children, it is totally fine if an individual woman doesn't want to have children and wants to focus on a career or whatever. 0.98

01:30:58.000 She just doesn't want children for whatever reason. 0.94

01:31:00.000 I guess that doesn't mean that.

01:31:02.000 Can you acknowledge the difference?

01:31:04.000 I guess my point is that I feel like variation and the acknowledgement of human variation is slowly getting lost in this natural order conversation because you have to acknowledge that variation, natural variation, and biodiversity.

01:31:20.000 Is part of the conversation.

01:31:22.000 That's it.

01:31:23.000 Human biodiversity, of course.

01:31:25.000 But you know, you talk about men and women and you talk about Aristotle's four causes.

01:31:30.000 Let's talk about Aristotle's four causes.

01:31:32.000 The last of Aristotle's four causes is the final cause, which means that all things that are created, all things that exist, have a final end.

01:31:39.000 They are directed towards a particular end.

01:31:42.000 And human beings are directed towards a particular end.

01:31:44.000 You know, why do we have reproductive appendages?

01:31:47.000 Hint, it's in the name.

01:31:48.000 It's not for recreation.

01:31:49.000 It's not so you could do degenerate.

01:31:51.000 You know, cosmopolitan magazine sex positions.

01:31:54.000 It's so that you can continue the species. 0.71

01:31:56.000 It's so that you can, after you get married, have lots of children and then they take care of you. 0.89

01:32:01.000 Marriage?

01:32:01.000 Do you think monogamy is part of the natural order?

01:32:04.000 Monogamy is part of the natural order?

01:32:05.000 Of course it is.

01:32:06.000 Why are there certain barbarous.

01:32:08.000 Why are there certain barbarous. 1.00

01:32:09.000 other women then after they're married? 1.00

01:32:11.000 Well, that has nothing to do with it.

01:32:12.000 What do you mean?

01:32:14.000 That's a perfectly natural biological function. 1.00

01:32:16.000 Well, here, I mean, if it was biological, women would have multiple orifices for multiple partners, but then. 1.00

01:32:21.000 It's just not a part of the thing. 1.00

01:32:23.000 I would have a society.

01:32:26.000 Wait, no, no, no.

01:32:27.000 I'm curious because biologically speaking, a man and a woman can be married, and that man can still feel intense sexual attraction for other people.

01:32:27.000 Hold on.

01:32:33.000 So why would that be unnatural to you?

01:32:35.000 Shouldn't men naturally be polyamorous? 0.75

01:32:38.000 No, no, because again, it's a difference between men having certain sexual chemistry, and the reason for that is because there are, you know, women are the selectors in terms of who carries on the genes. 0.75

01:32:49.000 Women have the genes that carries on the genes. 0.63

01:32:51.000 I don't think Nick is making it entirely natural. 1.00

01:32:54.000 Argument.

01:32:55.000 He absolutely was.

01:32:56.000 I'm in the process of making my argument.

01:32:58.000 I don't even know.

01:32:59.000 He's telling you he's making it now.

01:33:01.000 Look, but the thing is.

01:33:02.000 Ladies, men, everyone, I need to wrap this stream up soon, as fun as this has been.

01:33:09.000 I found this absolutely entertaining for my Sunday night, but I will take some final statements, some final points from everyone.

01:33:16.000 I apologize for cutting you off right there.

01:33:18.000 I think there were about somehow 20 people talking at once, despite there only being six people in here.

01:33:23.000 So, does anyone want to make any final statements, final points?

01:33:28.000 To wrap up this hilarity.

01:33:30.000 Yeah, I'd love to if I can have a minute.

01:33:32.000 Excellent.

01:33:33.000 We're a little short on time, so keep it fast.

01:33:33.000 Go ahead.

01:33:36.000 I will. 1.00

01:33:37.000 I just wanted to ask the little guy are you still suing girls on the internet?

01:33:40.000 I actually am not able to talk about that publicly at the moment.

01:33:43.000 I'm sorry.

01:33:45.000 You're suing somebody for hurt feelings, really?

01:33:46.000 On your advice of counsel, I'm not supposed to talk about that right now.

01:33:49.000 I'm sorry.

01:33:49.000 You can't legally speak about you suing someone.

01:33:51.000 I shouldn't.

01:33:52.000 I really shouldn't.

01:33:53.000 I'm sorry.

01:33:54.000 Oh, that is sad. 0.97

01:33:54.000 That is fucking sad. 0.97

01:33:56.000 The other thing I wanted to ask you, too, that I've got a short minute here. 0.99

01:34:00.000 Are you ever going to pay that charity money you owe, or are you going to just be a snake?

01:34:04.000 Oh, somebody said that I call people racial slurs in Saga 2, and that's not what I'm talking about.

01:34:09.000 Wait, what other thing was talked about?

01:34:11.000 You wanted somebody to quote you, and you said, If you can find me saying this, I'll pay a thousand dollars to you.

01:34:16.000 Yeah, I think it was by calling somebody like the guy found the quote, not the Starcraft thing.

01:34:21.000 The guy, quote me the tweet later and tell me what it's about because I don't remember this. 0.79

01:34:24.000 Okay, because he found the quote and he gave it to you, and he asked you to donate that money to a British charity for midgets. 0.99

01:34:31.000 Oh, you owe that fucking money to them. 0.99

01:34:34.000 Well, you've been watching it for three months. 1.00

01:34:36.000 I guess I just have a short attention span.

01:34:38.000 I guess you do, man.

01:34:39.000 Yeah, you better go ahead and shoot me that tweet again, and I'll look into it.

01:34:42.000 You need to pay what you owe.

01:34:44.000 Yeah, you're right.

01:34:45.000 Actually, I mean, if you have money to hire lawyers and sue girls on the internet, you should have the money to pay.

01:34:49.000 Oh, I never said I was doing any of that.

01:34:51.000 You said under advisive counsel, you can't talk about it.

01:34:54.000 Yeah, I can't really say.

01:34:54.000 No, this wasn't the answer.

01:34:56.000 I'm not talking about that.

01:34:57.000 I wish I could speak to you more about it.

01:34:57.000 I'm really sorry.

01:34:59.000 I'm not talking about the thing where he went off on some black chick and called her an Uncle Tom.

01:35:03.000 Oh, I remember that. 1.00

01:35:04.000 Yeah, that was funny stuff.

01:35:05.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:35:06.000 Good old Patty.

01:35:07.000 Yeah.

01:35:09.000 Was that the same one that you tweeted out the KKK crucifix burning picture to? 0.92

01:35:13.000 No, that was actually to a black nationalist, but yeah, that was a pretty good tweet, too. 0.66

01:35:16.000 I like that one. 0.95

01:35:17.000 That's good stuff.

01:35:18.000 You're the Gamer Gate guy, right?

01:35:18.000 I liked it.

01:35:20.000 I thought you said we shouldn't be offended by this kind of stuff.

01:35:21.000 Or does it just bother you when I say it because we disagree? 0.97

01:35:23.000 No, I fucking love it. 0.94

01:35:24.000 I wish you did more stuff like that. 0.98

01:35:25.000 Oh, well, there you go.

01:35:26.000 I try to, dude.

01:35:26.000 Keep an eye on my chat.

01:35:27.000 I'm a pretty edgy dude.

01:35:29.000 I want you to be more edgy. 1.00

01:35:30.000 We can both wear Kekistani shirts. 1.00

01:35:30.000 Okay. 1.00

01:35:32.000 Go on Chatelet. 0.99

01:35:33.000 That's so gross. 0.87

01:35:34.000 I'm a little too old for that. 0.81

01:35:36.000 You want to do that?

01:35:37.000 We go Chatelet. 1.00

01:35:37.000 I don't know if I really want to associate with the Kekistani dudes, but, you know, my kid is actually almost seven years old. 1.00

01:35:44.000 Maybe in like a couple years, he'll be old enough for the Kekistani stuff. 1.00

01:35:46.000 I'll get him a shirt. 1.00

01:35:47.000 Have you had the big conversation with him yet about whether it's morally right to fuck him? 0.99

01:35:51.000 It's pretty hard for me to have a conversation about anything, my dude. 0.99

01:35:57.000 Well, you know, to wrap it up, I mean, look, we can argue back and forth about the data.

01:35:57.000 Oh, boy.

01:36:03.000 You know, we can look at the data all we want.

01:36:05.000 You know it.

01:36:06.000 I know it.

01:36:06.000 We all know it.

01:36:07.000 The natural order must prevail. 1.00

01:36:09.000 And I will bludgeon women back into the home, rhetorically speaking, with the Holy Bible if I have to. 1.00

01:36:16.000 And I will, rhetorically. 1.00

01:36:18.000 And I'll leave it at that.

01:36:20.000 I am a crusader for women and blacks and Jewish people.

01:36:23.000 I want them to succeed and be happy.

01:36:25.000 And that's my fight.

01:36:26.000 I'm a social justice warrior.

01:36:29.000 Wow.

01:36:30.000 Okay.

01:36:31.000 Thank you very much for that.

01:36:32.000 Anyone else like to wrap this up with some kind comments?

01:36:36.000 I just kind of like what I was trying to say to Theron is that whenever I talk about marriage and family and things like that, very often people get the sense that you're condemning the morality of people who choose to go against you.

01:36:49.000 But what I would like to see is a culture where, for example, in university, I think we all kind of generally agree that university is a good choice to make, but that doesn't mean someone who Chooses not to go to university is a bad or immoral person.

01:37:00.000 That's what I would like to see regarding marriage and the family that we all recognize it as a universal good, but that we don't demonize people if their personal circumstances don't point toward that way.

01:37:09.000 And I think there is something to be said about, you know, judge not lest you be judged, just saying, Nick.

01:37:15.000 No, I will.

01:37:16.000 I will judge them.

01:37:17.000 I will judge them until Christ Himself sits at the right hand of the Father and judges them.

01:37:22.000 No, I'm joking. 0.76

01:37:24.000 But it's true.

01:37:26.000 But it's true.

01:37:27.000 I mean, it's a moral good too.

01:37:29.000 And, uh, I don't judge people if they're in a personal circumstance where they have to work.

01:37:35.000 But I just think societally, it's just better for everybody.

01:37:38.000 I don't know why everybody wants to live in rebellion against what they know is natural.

01:37:41.000 That's why people get so defensive, because they know they're living in rebellion.

01:37:45.000 Nick's story is lovely, but you've got to stop hogging the cam. 0.74

01:37:49.000 Anything from Stephen, no bullshit, or Theron?

01:37:52.000 Anything burning in your gut that you've got to get out? 0.98

01:37:55.000 I'm just trying to keep it.

01:37:56.000 I just have one comment, or actually, just one question.

01:37:59.000 Theron can go first if you wanted to, or Roaming.

01:38:01.000 No, go ahead.

01:38:01.000 Go show up.

01:38:02.000 Oh, no, I was just curious, Lauren.

01:38:04.000 I'm curious for you because it's always hard to pin down your beliefs because you like to dance the line so much.

01:38:07.000 Do you think that trans people are unnatural degenerates? 0.88

01:38:10.000 Yeah, is that a yes or no? 0.97

01:38:11.000 I'm curious. 0.98

01:38:12.000 Do I think trans people are unnatural degenerates? 0.96

01:38:15.000 I do not. 0.96

01:38:16.000 I wouldn't say degenerate.

01:38:20.000 I have met very many.

01:38:22.000 That's all I wanted to know.

01:38:24.000 I don't believe in the idea that you can change your gender, no. 0.80

01:38:28.000 Okay. 1.00

01:38:28.000 That's all I wanted. 1.00

01:38:30.000 Well, I'll go ahead and chime in there on that awkward moment.

01:38:33.000 First of all, I love the fact that Brightside Bob or Medicare's picture has been up for like the last half hour on the stream.

01:38:39.000 That's pretty awesome.

01:38:40.000 Those three gay guys are really rocking out.

01:38:43.000 Thank you, everyone, for coming on, and thanks, Lauren, for inviting me.

01:38:46.000 Last thing I'll say is Richard Spencer watches my videos. 0.62

01:38:49.000 He tweets them MAGA 2020, it's okay to be white.

01:38:54.000 What? 0.79

01:38:54.000 Okay. 0.79

01:38:54.000 All right. 0.79

01:38:55.000 Well, this was the worst, guys.

01:38:56.000 Thank you so much.

01:38:57.000 This started out so simple.

01:38:59.000 I had so much promise.

01:39:00.000 I haven't gotten it yet.

01:39:03.000 Are you signing?

01:39:03.000 All right.

01:39:04.000 You get one second.

01:39:05.000 You get one minute.

01:39:06.000 I just want to go drink wine and cry about not having children, you know?

01:39:10.000 I was going to say, like, it's kind of funny to me because, like, Which one of you ladies are, which one of any of you are engaged?

01:39:20.000 Cool.

01:39:22.000 That's sad.

01:39:23.000 This is getting real personal.

01:39:25.000 This stream is personal after grilling her on her personal guys.

01:39:29.000 Real personal guys.

01:39:30.000 Real personal guys.

01:39:31.000 I'm just curious because, like, I'm engaged, I'm soon to get married, and I'm probably going to have children in the next two years.

01:39:38.000 This degenerate that I am, you know, I guess that might be, I'm just a living example of the fact that we all have some natural variation in us.

01:39:48.000 Uh, that and that there's not like this platonic ideal of what people should be in every point in time until the end of time.

01:39:57.000 Um, that someone can have this variation here but still satisfy all the other criteria of the natural order.

01:40:05.000 Um, I can't wait to be a mother and I think I'll be a great mother. 1.00

01:40:09.000 And fuck you, Nick. 1.00

01:40:12.000 Can I just a quick comment? 1.00

01:40:13.000 I appreciate the conversation, I really do.

01:40:13.000 Can I?

01:40:15.000 I love all of you, even Nick, except for Mr. Medicar.

01:40:17.000 I hate you, but and no, Lauren.

01:40:21.000 Roaming, even maybe. 0.76

01:40:22.000 Yeah, I appreciate the conversation.

01:40:24.000 And also, I also want to apologize.

01:40:27.000 I also want to apologize.

01:40:28.000 I also want to apologize to Rowing Millennial for going so hard and heated off of you because I actually really like you and I think you're really cool, even if I'm frustrated about a few things.

01:40:40.000 And I'm sorry about that.

01:40:41.000 No worries.

01:40:42.000 It's a spicy conversation.

01:40:43.000 Anytime you guys want to talk again, I would be down.

01:40:46.000 Thanks for having us, Lord.

01:40:47.000 Yeah, thanks, Lauren.

01:40:48.000 Thank you for having us.

01:40:50.000 Thank you for the wonderful.

01:40:53.000 Awkward video on my channel.

01:40:54.000 This is just wow.

01:40:56.000 And thank you to the chat for partaking.

01:40:58.000 This had so much promise, but I hope it was entertaining. 0.96

01:41:02.000 You came on this adventure with us, this complete and utter shit show of a live stream. 0.76

01:41:07.000 Be sure to check out ContraPoints, Theron Meyer, Mr. Medoker, No Bullshit, Destiny, Roaming Millennial, and Nick Fuentes on their own channels. 0.94

01:41:14.000 They all had their own unique thing to contribute to this that made it entertaining.

01:41:19.000 As for the rest of you, I hope you all have a wonderful Saturday night.

01:41:23.000 I'm probably never going to do this again, so savor this while you.

01:41:27.000 Can.

01:41:28.000 Cheers, everyone.

01:41:29.000 Good night.

America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - November 01, 2019

Nick Fuentes vs The Trans Community & Destiny

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