00:01:12.000It was all of a sudden, I think it was only about an hour ago that this was reported on initially, and we'll get into why that happened.
00:01:20.000New text messages in the Peter Sturzak saga, which may actually indict Barack Obama.
00:01:26.000He may have had his I did not have sexual relations moment a couple of years ago.
00:01:32.000And of course, we are getting around to.
00:01:35.000A conclusion to the second possible government shutdown.
00:01:38.000Senate leaders have agreed as of this afternoon to a bill which would fund the government throughout the next fiscal year and impose spending caps for the next two years.
00:01:49.000And so that'll be drafted and written up.
00:02:23.000But if you've been on Twitter a lot, if you've been on Twitter for as long as the election was going on and until now, you tend to see the same kinds of things being tweeted out the same slogans, the same phrases, the same memes, the same white genocide stuff.
00:02:40.000And I've been noticing this for a little while now.
00:02:42.000I've been noticing this for the past couple of months where it didn't really bother me so much before, and I couldn't really articulate what it was up until pretty recently.
00:02:51.000But I've been noticing that people tend to post, and it's all the same people, by the way, it's all the same accounts.
00:02:58.000They tend to post just the exact same stuff, the exact same phrases, the exact same messaging about, oh, diversity is code for anti white, and diversity only applies to white people.
00:03:10.000And you know, look, I agree with a lot of what's being said by these accounts.
00:03:14.000And a perfect example of these are, I think, Will West something, Will West something.
00:04:10.000And so the uninspired, the salty, the joyless, ass blasted posting that we see all day long on the part of many people, it feels like an obligation to like and retweet this stuff.
00:04:22.000It just really sucks all the life out of it.
00:04:24.000And so, just a really brief PSA on that.
00:04:27.000I don't want to spend too much time because it's admittedly kind of a trivial thing, but.
00:04:31.000I do notice it and it just really gets under my skin.
00:04:36.000They must believe that if we tweet the same shit, maybe 25 or 30 times more, we'll finally have the political reforms we desire.
00:04:45.000If we only tweet out a couple of more pictures, the same memes, the same pictures of MS-13, the same pictures of this was Paris before immigration, this is Paris after immigration, this is architecture before modernism, this is architecture after modernism.
00:05:23.000With that out of the way, that was just a brief little thing.
00:05:25.000I'm going to take a lot of heat for that, as usual, because you launch any kind of mild criticism, and then you get, oh, Nick, you're starting drama, Nick.
00:05:38.000But with that out of the way, we do have serious news to talk about.
00:05:42.000And the first thing I want to talk about is the Syria strike, another airstrike in Syria.
00:05:48.000And almost a year after the first one, almost a year after the 59 Tomahawk missiles that were launched against the Homs airfield in Syria on April 6th or 7th.
00:06:00.000I think it was April 7th of last year.
00:06:46.000And so this airstrike led by the United States against pro Assad, pro regime forces, was said to be in response to an unprovoked attack on the SDF headquarters in northeastern Syria, which was innocently carrying out their anti ISIS assault, their anti ISIS mission.
00:07:05.000And the reason I bring it up is because a lot of people will say, they'll point to things that are going on in the Middle East.
00:07:11.000They'll point to Afghanistan, like we were talking about on Monday.
00:07:13.000They'll point to the Tomahawk strike last year.
00:07:16.000They'll point to the airstrike this evening.
00:07:18.000And I'm sure as I'm saying this, I'm sure as we're talking about it on the show right now, alt right people on Twitter and alt right personalities are tweeting or live streaming or commenting, writing furiously articles about how Donald Trump has sold this out.
00:07:35.000Donald Trump has been taken over by the neocons.
00:07:38.000The West Wing has been infiltrated and taken over by the Warhawks and the Israelites and all these other folks.
00:07:45.000And the administration is compromised, and it's all over.
00:07:53.000And the reason I bring it up is because it couldn't be further from the truth.
00:07:57.000If you actually look at what has been going on in the Middle East for the past couple of weeks, you look at it in the context geographically, in terms of the other events that have happened very recently, this was actually probably the best thing that could have happened.
00:08:12.000This is probably the least hawkish thing that could have happened.
00:08:16.000You might be thinking to yourself, Nick, the United States did an airstrike in Syria, and you're telling me that that's going to lead to peace in Syria?
00:08:27.000That the United States intervening in a sovereign state's civil war and its internal affairs is actually good for the United States?
00:08:35.000That's actually going to put off more dangerous and more perilous conflicts?
00:08:40.000The answer is yes, and I'll tell you why.
00:08:42.000It might seem counterintuitive, but if you've been watching the news in Syria for the past couple of weeks, and we've talked about it on the show a little bit last week, what's happening right now in Syria is that Turkey is invading from the north.
00:08:57.000Right now, if you look at a map of Syria, in northern Syria, Central and northern Syria, I'm referring to the latitude, in central northern Syria, right up on top in Afrin, the Turkish government is waging an offensive against the Kurds there, the YPG or the SDF.
00:09:18.000It goes by all these different acronyms, but they're all the same.
00:09:22.000In this little enclave in northern Syria and in the entire northeastern part of Syria, you have control of the country by the Kurds.
00:09:32.000They go by the PKK or the YPG or the SDF, but it is the Kurds, and they are allied with the United States.
00:09:39.000For the past couple of weeks in Afrin, in northern Syria, in that little enclave, Turkey has invaded, and they said, We're going to go 100 miles south into Syria.
00:09:49.000They've now invaded sovereign Syrian land to take over Kurdish lands.
00:09:54.000And they say that the reason they're doing that is because they've been at war with the PKK for 30 years.
00:10:00.000They see the Kurds in this region as an extension of the PKK.
00:10:04.000And they think that it is intolerable, it's unacceptable for them to have this much of their border with Syria controlled by Kurds, which in their estimation are terrorists, are enemies of the Turkish government.
00:10:16.000So they've invaded in Afrin, and they're working their way down there.
00:10:20.000They're going to go 100 miles down south, they're going to drive down.
00:10:23.000And then they said once they finish that, once they've taken over Afrin, which is a city in that northern enclave, they're going to march east, and they're going to march east across.
00:10:35.000This sort of thing, these are not Turkish forces, but they're anti regime forces that separate this little enclave in the north from the northeastern enclave of the Kurds.
00:10:46.000They're going to march through those pro Turkish forces, and they're going to make their way to a city called Manbij, which is in that northeastern part that's held by the Kurds.
00:10:56.000In Manbij, and I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing that right, if it's Manbij or Manbij, but in that little city in the northeastern part that's controlled by the Kurds, you have the United States stationed there.
00:11:18.000But if you're in Manbij, we're still going to move on Manbij and we're going to take it over because we will not allow the Kurds to control this much of our border with Syria.
00:11:27.000And so once Turkey makes their drive into Afrin, once they take over Afrin in that northern enclave, they're going to march east across those pro Turkish forces and they're going to go into Manbij in the northeast where the U.S. is.
00:11:41.000And Erdogan has said, If the U.S. is there, we're still attacking.
00:11:46.000And you understand that's a very big deal because Turkey is NATO allies with the United States.
00:11:52.000It's written in the NATO Constitution, Article 5, that an attack on one NATO member country is an attack on all.
00:12:00.000Well, what do you do if Turkey attacks the United States?
00:12:04.000If one NATO member attacks another, well, then the entire defense alliance falls apart.
00:12:08.000And also, of course, Turkey is an ally of the United States, a very important country geostrategically.
00:12:14.000It has been historically for 70 years, longer than that, even.
00:12:19.000And Turkey is an important ally here, an important state that we should remain in good, I guess, in their good graces because Russia is now vying for a seat in the court of Ankara in Turkey for influence not only in the Middle East but in Northern Africa and in Eastern Europe.
00:12:36.000So they're an important country that, you know, besides the fact that we're NATO allies, we don't want to mess with them totally.
00:12:42.000And so you might be thinking to yourself, how do we avoid this confrontation?
00:12:46.000If Turkey is saying, we're going to march over there and we're going to attack you, But we need to not abandon the Kurds.
00:12:59.000And the United States gave them their word that we would protect them.
00:13:02.000But our word that we're going to protect the Kurds is now putting us in trouble with Turkey because Turkey is telling us if you don't back out, if you don't fly out, we're going to come and we're going to attack you with the Kurds anyway.
00:13:20.000President Trump orders an airstrike on Syria in response to an unprovoked attack on the SDF headquarters, which is in that northeastern province.
00:13:29.000The SDF, which is really the Kurds, which is really the YPG, which is an extension of the PKK.
00:13:35.000They say the Assad regime has attacked us and we will conduct an airstrike against them.
00:13:39.000And what do the military officials say immediately after the strike?
00:13:42.000They say the United States' right to self defense is non negotiable.
00:13:55.000You know, you think out of a clear blue sky, Trump has got all these things on his plate.
00:13:59.000He's got the Olympics in North Korea, and he's got NAFTA renegotiated, and he's got this thing going on domestically, and he's got the DACA bill, and we've got to fund the government.
00:14:10.000You think we're going to go to war with Syria, folks?
00:14:13.000Or do you think it's much more plausible that it's preferable out of the options that are on the table, we either abandon our Kurdish allies or we go to war with Turkey?
00:14:24.000Or we do an airstrike against pro Assad forces.
00:14:27.000We do a small, limited tactical strike against a country that we've been more or less at war with diplomatically or militarily for the past 30 years, which was on our state sponsors of terror list for 40 years.
00:14:42.000A regime that we've never gotten along with, a regime that we sanctioned, a regime that we've hit before, a regime that has no power, that their military is very weak.
00:16:18.000Nobody's talking about that because it's brand new, but only my 250 IQ supercomputer brain, supercomputer tech, and supercomputer brain is fast enough to process and put it into context.
00:16:32.000My OODA loop is faster than anybody else in the game.
00:16:37.000The next thing we want to talk about, and it looks like we only have about 10 minutes before we get Ricky Vaughn on, so I'm not sure we'll get to the Sturzok text messages, but I think we will get to the more important story here.
00:16:59.000So, as we've been talking about for a couple of weeks, the next government shutdown would have been on February 8th, would have been midnight on Thursday evening.
00:17:09.000That would be when the three week stopgap measure, which was passed two Mondays ago, would expire and the government would run out of money and we would enter another government shutdown.
00:17:22.000The Senate leaders in both parties have made a deal to fund the government in the long term.
00:17:28.000Both Republicans and Democrats have come to the table and they've decided on what they're going to do about a long term budget compromise for the whole fiscal year.
00:17:37.000So, the way it's been working out for the past six or nine months or so, and we went into detail on this when we talked about it during the first government shutdown in January, the way it's been operating for this year.
00:17:50.000And the way it's been operating every year since 2016, and with few exceptions really since 2010, is that we do these temporary stopgap measures where we fund the government for a limited period of time, and then either we run into a debt ceiling or we run into the government runs out of money.
00:18:06.000And this is a result of the fact that the budget process requires bipartisanship, it requires cooperation between the two parties to pass a budget for an entire year, and that's been sorely lacking for a long time.
00:18:21.000Year long budgets instead of getting budgets for the whole fiscal year like it's intended to be, we get these three month, six month, nine month stopgap measures.
00:18:29.000As we had a three week extension the last time, and now it looks like the Republicans and the Democrats have sat down, they've made a deal to fund the government for an entire year and put in place spending caps for the next two years.
00:18:43.000Problem is now that'll take about another three weeks to draft it, to write it, to put it all together.
00:18:49.000And so it's looking like Republicans and Democrats will pass another three week stopgap measure sometime this week.
00:18:55.000They'll pass another short term spending bill on top of the one that was passed three weeks ago to keep the government funded for another three weeks, or excuse me, another six weeks to give them time to figure out what they're going to fund for the rest of the year.
00:19:08.000And the deal that they've talked about, the compromise that they've made, is that they will end finally the sequester that was put into place by Barack Obama in 2011, and that'll give an injection of $80 billion into our defense budget and $60 billion into the rest of the budget.
00:19:27.000Democrats were pretty insistent that there would be parity.
00:19:31.000And what parity means is that the ending to the sequester, the ending to the sequestered spending, would be equal both in military spending and in domestic spending, which would mean that if $80 billion went into defense, they'd get $80 billion for domestic.
00:19:45.000They only got $60 billion for defense, or excuse me, for everything else, for domestic.
00:19:52.000This is genuine bipartisanship, and we look forward to passing it.
00:19:56.000What will complicate things eventually is the fact that the timetable that we're talking about for the long term budget to be passed, they say they need six weeks to write the bill.
00:20:06.000They say they need six weeks to write and prepare this bill to fund the government for the next year, to end the sequester, to put in place these spending caps.
00:20:14.000Over the course of this timetable, DACA expires on March 5th.
00:20:22.000DACA expires in the beginning of March.
00:20:24.000All those legal protections for the 690,000 or so DACA applicants, DACA recipients, those legal protections will be rescinded officially on March 5th for all of them.
00:20:35.000And though the Department of Homeland Security said that it's not a priority to deport Dreamers, they will all get fired from their jobs.
00:20:42.000So people are saying, you know, oh, well, DACA recipients, well, the courts have decided they're going to protect them, and oh, well, ICE is not going to start deporting them immediately, or at least it won't be a priority for them.
00:20:56.000All the businesses that currently employ DACA recipients will have to fire all of them on March 5th, and that'll be catastrophic for the Democrats.
00:21:05.000Think of how that will affect their ability to make a deal.
00:21:09.000If it comes around in six weeks, and, you know, look, Mitch McConnell and Chuck Schumer, they sat down at the same table, they've decided on a long term spending bill.
00:21:19.000We're going to end the sequester, we're going to fund the military, fund.
00:21:22.000There's a lot of Obamacare stuff that's being funded in this, I guess, as a compromise.
00:21:27.000Well, what happens in late March when we're ready to vote on that and all of the DACA recipients, the Latino caucus, the Hispanics, the far left, is saying, Democrats, where are you?
00:21:40.000We have 690,000 now unemployed DACA recipients, people who have been fired from their jobs and now they have no hope of getting hired and now they're subject to deportation.
00:22:24.000You get the far left, and this is what I talked about last week.
00:22:27.000You get these two poles of gravity tugging at them, where the pragmatist in them will say, pass the damn spending bill, get it through, salvage something from this terrible optics nightmare so that we can salvage something for the midterms.
00:22:42.000And then you'll have the far left base, the Hispanic caucus, all these radicals saying, no, you need to demand DACA.
00:22:49.000You need to demand DACA legal protections.
00:23:17.000I believe it's in some form that the Democrats may be forced into because, you know, there won't be a DACA fix in time by March 5th.
00:23:25.000There's no immigration proposal right now on the floor, or that's being written, or that's being worked on, that will be agreed upon anytime soon.
00:23:35.000And you'll see that once those legal protections expire, because it's not looking like anything will pass between now and March 5th, once those legal protections expire, all the major corporations have to fire their DACA recipients.
00:23:48.000It'll be a major PR disaster, a major crisis of confidence in the Democratic Party.
00:23:53.000It will rip them in half when it comes time to pass a long term budget in late March.
00:23:59.000And conveniently, this will be right around the time that the midterms officially begin.
00:24:04.000Primaries will officially begin in March and they'll extend until late summer, and then you'll have the midterms.
00:24:11.000And you look at the numbers for the midterms, I don't care what numbers you're looking at, the Democrats are being absolutely slaughtered.
00:24:18.000They're being butchered, and it's barely even begun.
00:24:22.000None of the generals have even begun for the midterms.
00:24:24.000The primaries haven't even started, and they are getting axed.
00:24:28.000Whereas their general ballot polling numbers in December had them up 15 points, 15 point differential.
00:24:36.000In favor of Democrats in December, as recently as December, now you have them at two, a two point advantage.
00:24:44.000And you look at Trump's approval rating after State of the Union, it's up to 49.
00:24:48.000And if you look at RCP, if you look at Real Clear Politics, their simulator for the 2018 election, if you plug in a 45% approval rating, Donald Trump is expected to win on average.
00:25:01.000This is like the most middle of the road prediction, and 97% of simulations, he's expected to win 56 seats.
00:25:29.000It is looking very rosy, very optimistic, very white pilling for this administration.
00:25:35.000And then, of course, while this is happening in the thick of these negotiations, which are killing the Democrats, In the thick of the optics nightmare that this is, then of course you have what's happening with the text messages and with the memo, where the same effective messaging against Hillary Clinton that the Democrats are corrupt, that they're out of touch, that they hate white America, you see the same stuff rearing its ugly head again with this FISA stuff.
00:26:02.000So we really could not be positioning ourselves in a better way for 2018.
00:26:19.000NAFTA, trade, more broadly, trade in general, any kind of economics, if we're talking about education, if we're talking about immigration, think about if we come back in November with a 60 seat majority.
00:26:34.000We don't need the Democrats on immigration.
00:26:37.000We don't need to give anything on DACA.
00:26:39.000We don't need to give anything on anything.
00:26:41.000The only people we would have to worry about is, I guess, bringing around the John McCain's and the Jeff Flakes, which Jeff Flake won't be around.
00:26:50.000But, you know, those types of GOP establishment candidates or congressmen or senators.
00:26:56.000And I don't think those will be very difficult to wrangle if we can get the rest.
00:27:27.000You know, we used to do, just last night we were doing this, you know, I don't even know what you would call this, like a fighter pilot, right?
00:27:35.000Or a gamer, because it is Turtle Beach.
00:27:37.000I guess we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves there.
00:27:39.000But we did this, you know, these cans, these cans the size of my head.
00:27:44.000Now we got this sexy little piece, like a sexy businessman, 2005 businessman.
00:30:23.000Yeah, so I'm just a guy who sort of started shitposting in 2014 and sort of came up on Twitter.
00:30:33.000And we were pretty instrumental in sort of marshaling support for Trump and also sort of undermining the other candidates and also just trolling liberals and journalists, anyone and everyone.
00:30:46.000And so, yeah, just myself and probably 30 other people in a Twitter group going back, and was able to have some success that I never would have imagined in terms of followers and sort of having media people interview me, et cetera, et cetera.
00:31:04.000But I was sort of banned in 2016, and I've sort of been biding my time on Gab and sort of hanging out with some of the people in the alt right.
00:31:19.000I only asked because, I mean, you were one of the major influencers, if I recall, during the election.
00:31:24.000You had something like 65,000 followers, I'm sure millions of impressions.
00:31:29.000And just to establish your credibility, because I think we see that the shitposting was among the most important things during the election.
00:31:38.000I mean, this was one of the most influential things during the election that I think really changed the game.
00:31:43.000This is where the alt right originated in many respects.
00:31:46.000And you were, I mean, you were on the top.
00:31:48.000I mean, you were one of the big guys that were doing that, one of the pioneers.
00:31:51.000But I want to have you on the show to ask you, because obviously we've seen.
00:31:55.000With that New York Times documentary this week, with the Spencer episode last week or a couple of weeks ago, and just generally the direction of the alt right, I wanted to pick your brain.
00:32:06.000What do you think of the direction of this dissident right movement?
00:32:09.000What do you think of the alt right brand more generally?
00:32:13.000Do you think we are in the right place now?
00:32:15.000Do you think that we have lost or gained momentum since the election?
00:32:21.000And these are a lot of broad and general questions, but I'm just trying to gauge what is your general take on where we're at here on the dissident right?
00:32:35.000It's a sort of a hot topic right now, a lot of controversy.
00:32:39.000You know, to start off, I just want to go through, you know, and make a few things clear.
00:32:44.000Like, you know, there are some good things going on on the alt right.
00:32:48.000Like, we have people who are getting serious about physical fitness, trying to get together with their friends and build some camaraderie, build some mutual support networks.
00:33:19.000Like, we have a lot of problems with the brand right now that I think are totally unrelated to all the things, the positive things I just mentioned.
00:33:28.000So, people, don't take this criticism personally.
00:33:32.000Don't take the jokes or banter personally, but we do have a lot of problems.
00:33:38.000And, you know, we can go through them, Nick.
00:33:40.000I've sort of been trying to figure out what are the ideological problems here?
00:34:05.000And, you know, it's sort of like some people use it to sort of mock the whole idea of looking good and sort of having a positive appearance that we can all be proud of.
00:34:17.000But there's a better word for this, and it's called aesthetics.
00:34:21.000And, you know, I see a lot of problems with the brand right now.
00:34:25.000And sort of, we see people going into the street marching under the banner of alt right.
00:34:31.000They're sort of lacking fitness, and they're sort of waving around alien symbols and appearance and sort of.
00:34:38.000And they got haircuts that are sort of outside of the mainstream, alienating other people.
00:34:43.000Now, a lot of people will say, well, we haven't really done that since Charlottesville.
00:34:46.000So I say, fair point, but this is just what you see when people look in the media.
00:34:52.000This is what they see when they turn on the New York Times.
00:34:54.000And this does have an impact on other people.
00:34:57.000If people are saying, I'm in a nod and I'm really fit and stuff, that's great, but that's not the people we're seeing out on the media.
00:35:11.000Because you imagine that if our ideology is nationalism, is patriotism, love for our home, love for our people, and people are marching out there as representatives of this oikophilia of love for our home, and they're carrying banners with symbols, with colors, with ideas, names that nobody in our country recognizes, that nobody in our country can relate to, that resonates with anybody.
00:35:37.000You know, the Identity Europa flag, the symbol.
00:35:59.000I think a lot of people like Andrew Anglin, Weave, myself, have been advocates of the American aesthetic, the patriotic aesthetic, waving the flag, bringing back that good American stuff.
00:36:18.000And I also want to say we also have this problem of if you go back to sort of when this alt right became popular in 2015, you had this broad spectrum of people, and you even had some people who were like classical liberals or blue collar workers, ex democrats, all the way over to neo nazis.
00:36:41.000You had that entire spectrum, and people were saying this sort of neoliberalism, neoconservatism, It isn't working, and these people are, you know, the neocons are terrible.
00:36:53.000The sort of neoliberals, Hillary Clinton types are awful.
00:37:06.000And there was this sort of rush to say, oh, well, the alt right represents some sort of positive, you know, response to this.
00:37:14.000And I think that the problem is you've got too many voices competing to be that positive movement.
00:37:20.000And actually, we've brought this up and said, you know, it should have been everyone should have just stayed in their lane.
00:37:27.000Like, if you're an identitarian, go for that movement.
00:37:29.000If you are a neo Nazi, then stay over and try to build your whatever movement, neo Nazi movement.
00:37:36.000If you are an America First or a Trump supporter and you want to be in the Trump movement, the America First movement, these are different solutions.
00:37:44.000And then you have some sort of competition.
00:37:47.000But instead, what happened was we mishmashed everything into one thing and said, this is all right.
00:38:07.000We don't think that our history is perfect or our founding fathers are perfect, but we have a deep respect for and a loyalty to this country, the people in this country who are related to us.
00:38:24.000Yeah, no, I think that's a great point.
00:38:25.000I think that's a great point, especially about how the alt right was seen as the positive, as the alternative, because the 2016 election was about a rejection.
00:38:36.000The 2016 was about, you know, more than a new, and it was Make America Great again.
00:38:40.000It was kind of this restoration, but it was also a rejection of both Republican and Democrat, neoliberal and neoconservative.
00:38:49.000The alt right was kind of this false substitute where it said, You know, here is this package, but it really was this amalgamation, this kind of like sick Frankenstein of so many different things.
00:39:00.000That's actually, I never thought of it that way that people really should just kind of stick to their own thing.
00:39:05.000And, you know, on the American nationalism, I think people give it a bad rap.
00:39:10.000And this really makes me cringe these days when people shit on the Constitution or they shit on civic nationalism.
00:39:18.000In large measure, America's identity is a civic identity.
00:39:22.000The Constitution is as important to Americans as the crown is to the British, as the Tsar and, you know, St. Basil's Cathedral is to the Russians or the monarchy was to the French or so on.
00:39:55.000Well, I was just going to say, I think that the alt right was sort of.
00:39:58.000We had these sort of people that were a mixture of national socialists, whether they're neo Nazis, white nationalists, and identitarians come in and sort of elbow everyone out of the way and say, we're going to do this.
00:40:11.000And that was sort of when you start having these alien sort of rhetoric and images and, you know, fitness, sorry, symbols come in.
00:40:25.000And then, so the next part, obviously, if we take care of the marketing, if we take care of the branding, of course, that's a big part of it.
00:40:32.000In my estimation, if you're talking about a new convert, the branding is 90%.
00:40:37.000But once you're in there, once you have your movement, then, of course, The ideology becomes the other half.
00:40:42.000The ideology becomes a lot more important.
00:40:45.000And what actually are the beliefs beyond the rhetoric, beyond the message?
00:40:48.000And then we get into things like economics and policy and these broader things, even philosophical things, even political theory.
00:40:56.000And so, what do you think if your vision of the alt right was this amalgamation of NRX and identitarian and neo Nazi national socialist, what would be probably the most fortuitous?
00:41:10.000What would be the best path forward in terms of our ideology?
00:41:15.000What would be the most effective ideology that we could adopt moving forward?
00:41:21.000Well, you know, I'm a big proponent of America First, a muscular nationalism that is focused on really, you know, the well being of the people of the country and placing that above sort of all these bugaboos that people are concerned about, whether you're a liberal and you want to make everything equal and egalitarian, or you're a conservative and you have these, you know, weird ideas about.
00:41:50.000You know, my principles, you know, well, if we just let in the whole world as long as we can convert them to my principles, then, you know, all these bugaboos.
00:41:58.000And the dedication to open borders and free trade at the expense of the well being, the welfare of the people of the country.
00:42:07.000So it's a muscular nationalism, you know, and it's not strictly race based, although we do recognize that there's a certain type of people in this country already and the people that built the country.
00:42:18.000And also, you know, we did have some immigration here and there.
00:42:25.000We had a lot of immigration of people who were not Anglo Germanic.
00:42:29.000So it's like, but it sort of is we have to respect the people who are already in the country and not just flood them with outsiders who are going to dilute that and also actively oppose the values of the founding stock and some of the immigrants in the country.
00:42:48.000Yeah, no, I think that's probably the message and the ideology with the most mass appeal.
00:42:54.000The America First type stuff, and that's.
00:42:56.000You know, that was why I rallied behind it because I think it's the most reasonable thing that everybody can get behind that the American citizens should come before non citizens and the American people should come before anybody else when the government makes decisions.
00:43:09.000So I think that's probably the best path forward.
00:43:12.000That'll be the way to get the most people in.
00:43:14.000And I think if you're trying to pull from the right and from the left, that's the most attractive thing.
00:43:19.000And then on the subject of demographics, that's probably the trickiest part how do we define the nationalism?
00:43:26.000A lot of the more extreme people say, If it's not ethnic based or if it's not race based, it's not good enough.
00:43:31.000But there has to be this recognition that the presence of minorities in the country is a reality.
00:43:39.000It is a fact that we have to deal with.
00:43:43.000We might not believe that that is pure or that is totally fair or totally our decision.
00:43:51.000And certainly, I think if we could turn back time to 1960, we would have never passed the 1965 Immigration Act and we would have prevented it.
00:44:04.000You go back to people that built the railroads and people that came over here.
00:44:08.000I think the way forward is to recognize that it may be normative.
00:44:13.000It's probably normative to have this vision of the American as a white, Anglo Saxon, Protestant, Christian, traditional kind of a guy, but then you could also have other people in the country.
00:44:26.000And I think moving more towards a white majority or white supermajority, rebuilding that kind of normative.
00:44:33.000Racial and ethnic identity, I think that is probably the most congenial way to move towards it.
00:44:38.000Because what I see is happening is either you don't advocate for any of that and you lose our majority, or you push way too hard for the racialist stuff and you lose anyway.
00:44:48.000I think the middle path is to achieve the ends of racialism, but adopting kind of the messaging and the rhetoric of something that's a little bit more moderate.
00:45:00.000But I also think, you know, I also think that sort of the America First path is also.
00:45:06.000You know, the one that projects the most strength because, you know, we shouldn't just be a movement that sits back and says, well, you know, these minorities are bullying me.
00:45:33.000Like, we should be a nationalist movement that uses democratic means.
00:45:37.000But if we can elevate the idea of America First in terms of the welfare of the people, the well being of the people being the highest priority, then in the future you can adjust.
00:45:51.000Let's say it becomes impossible to win an election.
00:45:54.000You can adjust your national election.
00:45:58.000You can say, we're going to take over these states and whatever we're going to do.
00:46:03.000But one of the problems with the ethno nationalists right now is.
00:46:09.000And this comes from a great, you know, these ideas are coming from a great podcast actually on TRS called, you know, I forget what it's called.
00:46:19.000It's called like, you know, South of the Wall or something.
00:46:21.000And there's these Latin Americans who are making this podcast.
00:46:30.000And what they say is that one of the problems with ethnonationals right now is that there's sort of this libertarian problem where you have a lot of people who they used to say, oh, well, don't tread on me, you know, my non aggression principle.
00:46:43.000Is the most important thing, you know, leave me alone.
00:46:47.000And then now, instead of saying that about the individual, they're saying that about sort of the ethnicity.
00:46:53.000And the problem with that is it sort of ignores this sort of human nature, which is to expand, to conquer, to, if you're Muslim, declare jihad.
00:47:05.000If you're Christian, declare a crusade.
00:47:07.000So it's like, you know, with the NAP, like if you're just so weak that someone can just come in and take all your stuff, it's not going to work.
00:47:16.000Same thing with ethno nationalism, in the sense that it's sort of leave me alone.
00:47:38.000But, and then they also want to say, oh, but it was so great when Europeans came and took over the country from Indians, or it was so great when we conquered the world as colonialists.
00:47:55.000So it's an emission of weakness, and there's a contradiction, right, between our past history of imperialism.
00:48:00.000And complaining about, oh, the Muslims are invading us, the Mexicans are invading us.
00:48:05.000Well, it's like, you know, deal with the problem and don't just say, well, we're going to sort of retreat into some sort of balkanized ethnostate or something.
00:48:18.000And this is where I think the rhetorical weakness comes in from people who are so hung up on, you know, oh, I'm being bullied, the white race is being bullied, they're breeding us out of existence, they're flooding us in our own countries.
00:48:45.000It just goes on and on with this sort of weakness, and it just gets stale and tired.
00:48:49.000And you attract sort of people into your movement who are not self actualizing people.
00:48:55.000There are a lot of people who they just want to get together and feel like they're accepted because maybe they, I don't know, maybe they were bullied in the past or whatever, but they're just looking for.
00:49:06.000Somewhere rather than fix themselves, they're looking for a movement that comes in and can sort of attend to all their grievances.
00:49:14.000Yeah, no, that's a good point on the kind of people that the messaging attracts.
00:49:18.000You know, if the messaging is you are a victim and the world is out to get you, and you're a victim of the world, the world order is why you're not a winner.
00:49:29.000I mean, you think about a rally like Charlottesville, and you think of like who comes out to that kind of a thing, who comes out to a Charlottesville rally, and not to pick on or criticize people.
00:49:39.000Who have been affected by this, but it does breed kind of this whiny, like crybaby mentality where, you know, where are the lawyers?
00:50:00.000And we have, and, you know, maybe that wouldn't be a problem in and of itself, but then it's paradoxical where at the same time we're trying to say, become who you are, remember your ancestors.
00:50:10.000And at the same time, it's the whining, the crying.
00:50:13.000So, yeah, no, I think that's definitely right.
00:50:16.000We have to create a message that's a little bit more proactive, an idea that's a little bit more forward thinking as opposed to kind of this reactive crisis, like whiny baby mindset.
00:50:26.000But it looks like we're running out of time here.
00:50:29.000We only got a couple more minutes for me to take Super Chats.
00:51:37.000Let's start saying, and I'm not saying like people need to jump out there and be a leader, but let's start saying, asking our leaders to have some standards, enforce those standards strongly.
00:51:52.000Remember that the people in this movement that came up to the top, that sort of rose the cream of the top, the cream of the crop, they were not necessarily the most pure ideological people.
00:52:35.000You know, look, not everybody's going to like it.
00:52:37.000Not everybody's going to be wild about that kind of a message, but it's the truth.
00:52:42.000It is the truth that people need to hear the whiny baby stuff, this purity spiral continuously all the way down into the most radical and crazy stuff.
00:52:57.000And we say that not, of course, because of our principles or because of maybe what we believe, but because of what is necessary, what needs to happen.
00:53:06.000You know, there's this theory of politics where people believe that, you know, if we're 100% right, if we're 100% honest, if we're 100%, you know, truthful and everything, well, we're going to win because of our pure hearts, because of our pure spirits, and it's not going to happen.
00:53:23.000We have to think tactically, we have to think strategically.
00:53:26.000And sometimes that means that we have to moderate.
00:53:29.000Sometimes that means that we have to change our tone, change our messaging.
00:53:32.000And that doesn't mean we change who we are.
00:53:36.000Doesn't mean we unsee the things that we've seen.
00:53:39.000Doesn't mean we stop believing in the things that we believe in.
00:53:42.000But it means that we stop self indulging for the sake of growing the movement, for the sake of advancing our cause.
00:53:50.000You know, if we look at the dissident elements in our country that have been successful over the past 100 years, if we look at the subversive elements in our country in the past 100 years, They didn't show up.
00:54:03.000They didn't wash up on our shores from Russia and from Poland and New York City, waving banners of infiltration, waving banners of communism, waving banners of Marxism, waving banners of anarchism and degeneracy.
00:54:16.000They didn't pull up in the 1920s and the 30s and 40s and 50s, waving these banners saying, We are going to change you.
00:54:23.000We are going to change you from within.
00:54:25.000We are going to make your daughters sons and make your sons daughters and make your parents homosexuals and turn the television into a propaganda machine.
00:54:35.000Pitch your people against each other and put them to war for us in the Middle East.
00:54:39.000They didn't come waving those banners, shouting those messages.
00:54:42.000No, they came here and they started out slow.
00:55:19.000And if you're not on board with that, we don't need you.
00:55:21.000If you can't wrap your head around that, if you can't wrap your small brain lit, pea sized brain around that, if you're so committed to the revolution, then get the fuck out.
00:55:40.000I've been a big fan of his for a while.
00:55:42.000You know, that kind of truth comes at a cost.
00:55:44.000It's not the most popular thing to say, but we have to be courageous and say it anyway.
00:55:48.000But We'll take a look at our super chats and then we're going to hop on to the Andy Worski stream.
00:55:54.000We're going to hop on to the Worski stream and we're going to bust up this fella Halsey who's been stalking me on Twitter, this weird boomer old man, this goofball, and we're going to really give him the business.
00:56:06.000So pop on over to Worski in two minutes, but I'll take these super chats real quickly.
00:57:12.000But that's going to do it for us here tonight.
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