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00:01:50.000Shit, I'm tryna fuck somethin' right now, split this lil' GCS Everything that we want, I'm with Elon, must eat lunch I bought a new crib at the space station, I can park my rocket in the front And that money comin' in a bunch, I done had a feelin' and a hunch I'ma win whenever I say win, I got too much power in my tongue I got horsepower in the trunk, we too tough, they too tough
00:11:54.000Lock It In, shot February 6, 2024, at about 7 p.m.
00:11:59.000in the building behind us, which is, of course, the Kremlin.
00:12:02.000The interview, as you will see if you watch it, is primarily about the war in progress, the war in Ukraine, how it started, what's happening, and most presently, how it might end.
00:13:40.000On February 22, 2022, you addressed your country in a nationwide address when the conflict in Ukraine started.
00:13:48.000And you said that you were acting because you had come to the conclusion that the United States, through NATO, might initiate a, quote, surprise attack on our country.
00:14:01.000And to American ears, that sounds paranoid.
00:14:03.000Tell us why you believe the United States might strike Russia out of the blue.
00:14:40.000So, if you don't mind, I will take only 30 seconds or 1 minute to give you a short reference to history for giving you a little historical background.
00:15:01.000The Russian state started gathering itself as a centralized statehood, and it is considered to be the year of the establishment of the Russian state, in 862, when the townspeople of Novgorod invited a Varangian prince, Rurik, from Scandinavia to reign.
00:15:26.000In 1862, Russia celebrated the 1000th anniversary of its statehood.
00:15:34.000And in Novgorod, there is a memorial dedicated to the 1000th anniversary of the country.
00:15:41.000In 882, Rurik's successor, Prince Oleg, who was actually playing the role of regent at Rurik's young son,
00:15:52.000Because Uri had died by that time, came to Kiev.
00:15:55.000He ousted two brothers who apparently had
00:16:10.000So Russia began to develop with two centers of power, Kiev and Novgorod.
00:16:14.000The next very significant date in the history of Russia was 988.
00:16:24.000This was the baptism of Russia, when Prince Vladimir, the great-grandson of Rurik, baptized Russia and adopted Orthodoxy, or Eastern Christianity.
00:16:37.000From this time the centralized Russian state began to strengthen.
00:16:42.000Because of the single territory, integrated economic ties,
00:16:48.000One and the same language and, after the baptism of Russia, the same faith and rule of the prince.
00:16:54.000The centralized Russian state began to take shape.
00:16:59.000Back in the Middle Ages, Prince Yaroslav the Wise introduced the order of succession to a throne.
00:17:09.000But after he passed away, it became complicated for various reasons.
00:17:17.000The throne was passed not directly from father to eldest son, but from the prince, who had passed away to his brother, then to his sons in different lines.
00:17:28.000All this led to defragmentation and the end of Rus as a single state.
00:17:39.000The same was happening then in Europe.
00:17:46.000But the fragmented Russian state became an easy prey to the empire created earlier by Genghis Khan.
00:17:55.000His successors, namely Batuhan, came to Rus, plundered and ruined nearly all the cities.
00:18:01.000The southern part, including Kiev, by the way, and some other cities simply lost independence, while northern cities preserved some of their sovereignty.
00:18:13.000They had to pay tribute to the Horde, but they managed to preserve some part of their sovereignty.
00:18:20.000And then a unified Russian state began to take shape with its center in Moscow.
00:18:27.000The southern part of Russian lands, including Kiev, began to gradually gravitate towards another magnet, the center that was emerging in Europe.
00:18:41.000This was the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.
00:18:45.000It was even called the Lithuanian Russian Duchy, because Russians were a significant part of this population.
00:18:52.000They spoke the old Russian language and were Orthodox.
00:18:58.000But then there was a unification, the union of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the Kingdom of Poland.
00:19:07.000A few years later, another union was signed, but this time already in the religious sphere.
00:19:15.000Some of the Orthodox priests became subordinate to the Pope.
00:19:18.000Thus, these lands became part of the Polish-Lithuanian state.
00:19:27.000During decades, the Poles were engaged in polonization of this part of the population.
00:19:33.000They introduced a language there, tried to entrench the idea that this population was not exactly Russians, that because they lived on the fringe, they were Ukrainians.
00:19:47.000Originally, the word Ukrainian meant that the person was living on the outskirts of the state, along the fringes, or was engaged in a border patrol service.
00:19:58.000It didn't mean any particular ethnic group.
00:21:01.000The people who were in control of the authority over that part of the Russian lands addressed Warsaw, I repeat, demanding that they send them to rulers of Russian origin and Orthodox faith.
00:21:17.000When Warsaw did not answer them, and in fact rejected their demands, they turned to Moscow, so that Moscow took them away.
00:21:27.000So that you don't think that I'm inventing things.
00:21:40.000Well, it doesn't sound like you're inventing and I'm not sure why it's relevant to what happened two years ago.
00:21:47.000But still, these are documents from the archives, copies.
00:21:52.000Here are the letters from Bogdan Khmelnitsky, the man who then controlled the power in this part of the Russian lands that is now called Ukraine.
00:22:03.000He wrote to Warsaw demanding that their rights be upheld.
00:22:08.000And after being refused, he began to write letters to Moscow, asking to take them under the strong hand of the Moscow Tsar.
00:22:19.000I will leave them for your good memory.
00:22:21.000There is a translation into Russian, you can translate it into English later.
00:22:26.000Russia would not agree to admit them straight away, assuming that the war with Poland would start.
00:22:31.000Nevertheless, in 1654, the Pan-Russian Assembly of top clergy and landowners, headed by the Tsar,
00:22:42.000Which was the representative body of the power of the old Russian state, decided to include a part of the old Russian lands into Moscow Kingdom.
00:22:52.000As expected, the war with Poland began.
00:22:57.000It lasted 13 years and then, in 1654, a truce was concluded.
00:23:00.000And 32 years later, I think, a peace treaty with Poland, which they called Eternal Peace, was signed.
00:23:14.000And these lands, the whole left bank of Dnieper, including Kiev, went to Russia.
00:23:20.000And the whole right bank of Dnieper remained in Poland.
00:23:25.000Under the rule of Catherine the Great, Russia reclaimed all of its historical lands, including in the South and West.
00:23:39.000Austrian General Staff relied on the ideas of Ukrainianization and started actively promoting the ideas of Ukraine and the Ukrainianization.
00:23:56.000Just before World War I, they wanted to weaken the potential enemy and secure themselves favorable conditions in the border area.
00:24:04.000So the idea which had emerged in Poland that people residing in that territory were allegedly not really Russians, but rather belonged to a special ethnic group, Ukrainians, started being propagated by the Austrian General Staff.
00:24:21.000As far back as the 19th century, theorists calling for Ukrainian independence appeared.
00:24:29.000All those, however, claim that Ukraine should have a very good relationship with Russia.
00:24:39.000After the 1917 revolution, the Bolsheviks sought to restore the statehood and the civil war began, including the hostilities with Poland.
00:24:51.000In 1921, peace with Poland was proclaimed, and under that treaty, the right bank of the Dnieper River once again was given back to Poland.
00:25:08.000In 1939, after Poland cooperated with Hitler, it did collaborate with Hitler, you know, Hitler offered Poland peace and a treaty of friendship, an alliance demanding in return that Poland give back to Germany the so-called Danzig corridor, which connected the bulk of Germany with East Prussia and Königsberg.
00:25:35.000After World War I, this territory was transferred to Poland, and instead of Danzig, a city of Gdansk emerged.
00:25:52.000It's interesting that Putin just gave the history of Russia going back to the 9th century.
00:26:27.000Isn't it bizarre that he let him talk all about the 9th century, the 10th century, 14th century, 17th century, World War I, the Revolution.
00:26:38.000Now we start talking about Hitler and it's, wait, wait, wait, hang on a second, just a minute, why are we talking about this?
00:28:11.000He's not like some president who's in charge for eight years before they throw him out and he's got to deal with the media and Congress.
00:28:19.000He has been the throne for a quarter of a century of Russia.
00:28:26.000World War II, Poland collaborated with Hitler, and although it did not yield to Hitler's demands, it still participated in the partitioning of Czechoslovakia together with Hitler, as the Poles had not given the Danzig Corridor to Germany and went too far, pushing Hitler to start World War II by attacking them.
00:28:48.000Why was it Poland against whom the war started on 1 September 1939?
00:28:54.000Poland turned out to be uncompromising and Hitler had nothing to do but start implementing his plans with Poland.
00:29:03.000By the way, the USSR, I have read some archived documents, behaved very honestly.
00:29:08.000It asked Poland's permission to transit its troops through the Polish territory to help Czechoslovakia.
00:29:18.000But the then Polish foreign minister said that if the Soviet planes flew over Poland, they would be downed over the territory of Poland.
00:29:29.000What matters is that the war began, and Poland fell prey to the policies it had pursued against Czechoslovakia, as under the well-known Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
00:29:40.000Part of the territory, including Western Ukraine,
00:29:46.000Russia, which was then named the USSR, regained its historical lands.
00:29:55.000After the victory in the Great Patriotic War, as we call World War II, all those territories were ultimately enshrined as belonging to Russia.
00:30:23.000These are now western lands of Poland.
00:30:28.000Of course, Poland regained access to the Baltic Sea and Danzig.
00:30:34.000which was once again given its Polish name.
00:30:38.000So, this was how this situation developed.
00:30:44.000In 1922, when the USSR was being established, the Bolsheviks started building the USSR and established the Soviet Ukraine, which had never existed before.
00:31:00.000Stalin insisted that those republics be included in the USSR as autonomous entities.
00:31:11.000For some inexplicable reason, Lenin, the founder of the Soviet state, insisted that they be entitled to withdraw from the USSR.
00:31:21.000And, again, for some unknown reasons, he transferred to that newly established Soviet Republic of Ukraine some of the lands together with people living there, even though those lands had never been called Ukraine, and yet they were made part of that Soviet Republic of Ukraine.
00:31:40.000Those lands included the Black Sea region, which was received under Catherine the Great, and which had no historical connection with Ukraine whatsoever.
00:31:51.000Even if we go as far back as 1654, when these lands returned to Russian Empire, that territory was the size of 3-4 regions of modern Ukraine, with no Black Sea region.
00:32:04.000That was completely out of the question.
00:32:10.000You obviously have encyclopedic knowledge of this region, but why didn't you make this case for the first 22 years as president that Ukraine wasn't a real country?
00:32:27.000The Soviet Union was given a great deal of territory that had never belonged to it, including the Black Sea region.
00:32:36.000At some point, when Russia received them as an outcome of the Russo-Turkish wars, they were called New Russia or Novorossiya.
00:32:49.000What matters is that Lenin, the founder of the Soviet state, established Ukraine that way.
00:33:04.000So I think he said that he goes on for like a half hour like this.
00:33:07.000For decades the Ukrainian Soviet Republic developed as part of the USSR.
00:33:14.000And for unknown reasons, again, the Bolsheviks were engaged in Ukrainianization.
00:33:19.000It was not merely because the Soviet leadership was composed to a great extent of those originating from Ukraine.
00:33:26.000Rather, it was explained by the general policy of indigenization pursued by the Soviet Union.
00:33:33.000Same things were done in other Soviet republics.
00:33:35.000This involved promoting national languages and national cultures, which is not a bad in principle.
00:33:41.000That is how the Soviet Ukraine was created.
00:33:44.000After the World War II, Ukraine received, in addition to the lands that had belonged to Poland before the war, part of the lands that had previously belonged to Hungary and Romania.
00:33:55.000So, Romania and Hungary had some of their lands taken away and given to the Soviet Ukraine, and they still remain part of Ukraine.
00:34:03.000So, in this sense, we have every reason to affirm that Ukraine is an artificial state that was shaped at Stalin's will.
00:34:10.000Do you believe Hungary has a right to take its land back from Ukraine?
00:34:13.000And that other nations have a right to go back to their 1654 borders?
00:34:23.000I'm not sure whether they should go back to the 1654 borders.
00:34:29.000But given Stalin's time, so-called Stalin's regime, which, as many claim, saw numerous violations of human rights and violations of the rights of other states,
00:34:48.000One may say that they could claim back those lands of theirs, while having no right to do that.
00:36:02.000Not in Ukrainian, in Russian and in Hungarian.
00:36:06.000I was driving through some kind of village and there were men sitting next to the houses and they were wearing black three-piece suits and black cylinder hats.
00:36:16.000I asked, are they some kind of entertainers?
00:36:19.000I was told, no, they were not entertainers, they are Hungarians.
00:36:28.000This was during the Soviet time, in the 1980s.
00:36:31.000They preserve the Hungarian language, Hungarian names and all their national costumes.
00:36:37.000They are Hungarians and they feel themselves to be Hungarians.
00:36:40.000And of course, when now there is an infringement... Well, that is... And there's a lot of that, though.
00:36:46.000I think many nations are upset about Transylvania as well, as you obviously know.
00:36:50.000But many nations feel frustrated by the redrawn borders of the wars of the 20th century and wars going back a thousand years, the ones that you mentioned.
00:36:59.000The fact is that you didn't make this case in public until two years ago, February, and in the case that you made, which I read today, you explain at great length that you felt a physical threat from the West in NATO, including potentially a nuclear threat, and that's what got you to move.
00:37:16.000Is that a fair characterization of what you said?
00:37:26.000I understand that my long speeches probably fall outside of the genre of the interview.
00:37:31.000That is why I asked you at the beginning.
00:37:35.000Are we going to have a serious talk or a show?
00:38:50.000After all, the collapse of the Soviet Union was effectively initiated by the Russian leadership.
00:38:59.000I do not understand what the Russian leadership was guided by at the time, but I suspect there were several reasons to think everything would be fine.
00:39:13.000First, I think that then Russian leadership believed that the fundamentals of the relationship between Russia and Ukraine were, in fact, a common language.
00:39:23.000More than 90% of the population there spoke Russian.
00:39:53.000All these elements together make our good relationships inevitable.
00:39:57.000The second point is a very important one.
00:40:03.000I want you as an American citizen and your viewers to hear about this as well.
00:40:10.000The former Russian leadership assumed that the Soviet Union had ceased to exist, and therefore, there were no longer any ideological dividing lines.
00:40:22.000Russia even agreed voluntarily and proactively to the collapse of the Soviet Union.
00:40:28.000And believe that this would be understood by the so-called civilized West as an invitation for cooperation and association.
00:40:39.000That is what Russia was expecting, both from the United States and the so-called collective West as a whole.
00:40:45.000There were smart people, including in Germany, Egon Barr, a major politician of the Social Democratic Party, who insisted in his personal conversations with the Soviet leadership on the brink of the collapse of the Soviet Union, that a new security system should be established in Europe.
00:41:07.000Help should be given to unify Germany, but a new system should be also established to include the United States, Canada, Russia and other Central European countries.
00:41:41.000If, he said, you don't listen to me, I'm never setting my foot in Moscow once again.
00:41:48.000Everything happened just as he had said.
00:41:51.000Well, of course, it did come true, and you've mentioned this many times, I think it's a fair point, and many in America thought that relations between
00:42:26.000The reason that the West, well first of all, the West has feared China ever since Trump got elected.
00:42:34.000And that is one of the things that the regime agreed with Trump about, actually, after the election, was that Trump took seriously the threat of China.
00:42:43.000It also happened to be the case that that was a natural pivot that was already occurring.
00:42:47.000It was Obama that initiated the pivot to the Pacific.
00:42:52.000And that was as the Middle East wars were winding down.
00:42:55.000It also happened to coincide with China becoming a world power.
00:43:02.000had a large nuclear arsenal and a sophisticated conventional military.
00:43:07.000So to say, why is it that the United States never took China seriously?
00:43:12.000Well, Russia has always historically had the lead.
00:43:16.000Well, I mean, not in the grand timeline, but for the past 100 years, Russia was the military threat.
00:43:25.000Not China, not until last 10 or 15 years.
00:43:30.000policy has shifted accordingly, commensurate to the proportion of the threat.
00:43:35.000It's only been recently that, relatively recently, that China has begun its military buildup and become a true world power now that it's building its Pacific fleet.
00:43:44.000And the reason why the West fears strong Russia is because Russia wields the nuclear arsenal and the strong conventional military.
00:44:31.000Nikki Haley and DeSantis are fighting with each other on the debate stage up until just a month ago about who is more anti-China.
00:44:39.000And like I said, that is the one among maybe several others, but maybe the biggest thing, that the deep state agreed with Trump about.
00:44:49.000The West is more afraid of strong China than of strong Russia.
00:45:00.000The West is afraid of strong China more than it fears a strong Russia.
00:45:05.000Because Russia has 150 million people, and China has 1.5 billion population, and its economy is growing by leaps and bounds, over 5% a year.
00:45:43.000And let's get into the fact that after 1991, when Russia expected that it would be welcomed into the brotherly family of civilized nations, nothing like this happened.
00:46:44.000Remember the developments in Yugoslavia before the Yeltsin was lavished with praise?
00:46:49.000As soon as the developments in Yugoslavia started, he raised his voice in support of Serbs, and we couldn't but raise our voices for Serbs in their defense.
00:46:58.000I understand that there were complex processes underway there.
00:48:10.000I thought, okay, the Yugoslav issue is over, but we should try to restore relations.
00:48:16.000Let's reopen the door that Russia had tried to go through.
00:48:20.000And moreover, I said it publicly, I can't reiterate.
00:48:26.000At a meeting here in the Kremlin with the outgoing President Bill Clinton, right here, in the next room, I said to him, I asked him, Bill, do you think if Russia asked to join NATO, do you think it would happen?
00:48:43.000Suddenly, he said, you know, it's interesting, I think so.
00:48:47.000But in the evening, when we met for dinner, he said, you know, I've talked to my team, no, no, it's not possible now.
00:48:59.000You can ask him, I think he will watch our interview, he'll confirm it.
00:49:04.000I wouldn't have said anything like that if it hadn't happened.
00:49:19.000If I wasn't sincere in my desire to find out what the leadership position was... But if he had said yes, would you have joined NATO?
00:49:30.000If he had said yes, the process of rapprochement would have commenced, and eventually it might have happened, if we had seen some sincere wish on the other side of our partners.
00:51:42.000And political support, information support, financial support, even military support came from the United States and its satellites for terrorist groups in the Caucasus.
00:51:55.000I once raised this issue with my colleague, also the President of the United States.
00:52:00.000He says, it's impossible, do you have proof?
00:52:38.000The CIA replied, we have been working with the opposition in Russia, we believe that this is the right thing to do, and we will keep on doing it.
00:53:26.000We persuaded for a long time not to do it in United States.
00:53:31.000Moreover, after I was invited by Bush Jr.'
00:53:38.000's father, Bush Sr., to visit his place on the ocean,
00:53:43.000I had a very serious conversation with President Bush and his team.
00:53:48.000I proposed that the United States, Russia and Europe jointly create a missile defense system that, we believe, if created unilaterally, threatens our security, despite the fact that the United States officially said that it was being created against missile threats from Iran.
00:54:07.000That was the justification for the deployment of the missile defense system.
00:54:12.000I suggested working together, Russia, the United States and Europe.
00:55:12.000Then Secretary of Defense Gates, former Director of CIA and Secretary of State Rice came in here, in this cabinet, right here, at this table.
00:56:12.000It was right then when I said, look, but then we will be forced to take countermeasures.
00:56:18.000We will create such strike systems that will certainly overcome missile defense systems.
00:56:23.000The answer was, we're not doing this against you and you do what you want, assuming that it is not against us, not against the United States.
00:56:37.000And we created hypersonic systems with intercontinental range, and we continue to develop them.
00:56:43.000We are now ahead of everyone, the United States and the other countries, in terms of the development of hypersonic strike systems, and we are improving them every day.
00:57:26.000They have come to do Ukraine, ultimately.
00:57:29.000In 2008, at the summit in Bucharest, they declared that the doors for Ukraine and Georgia to join NATO were open.
00:57:37.000Now about how decisions are made there.
00:57:40.000Germany, France seem to be against it as well as some other European countries.
00:57:46.000But then, as it turned out, later President Bush and he, such a tough guy, a tough politician, as I was told later, he exerted pressure on us and we had to agree.
00:57:58.000It's ridiculous, it's like kindergarten.
00:58:41.000So they started to develop the territory of Ukraine.
00:58:45.000Whatever is there, I have told you, the background, how this territory developed, what kind of relations there were with Russia.
00:58:53.000Every second or third person there has always had some ties with Russia.
00:58:58.000And during the elections, in already independent, sovereign Ukraine, which gained its independence as a result of the Declaration of Independence, and by the way, it says that Ukraine is a neutral state, and in 2008, suddenly the doors or gates to NATO were opened to it.
00:59:21.000Now, all the presidents that have come to power in Ukraine, they relied on electorate with a good attitude to Russia in one way or the other.
00:59:29.000This is the southeast of Ukraine, this is a large number of people.
00:59:37.000And it was very difficult to dissuade this electorate, which had a positive attitude towards Russia.
00:59:44.000Viktor Yanukovych came to power, and how?
00:59:48.000The first time he won after President Kuchma, they organized a third round, which is not provided for in the Constitution of Ukraine.
01:01:34.000But when we read through the Treaty of Association, it turned out to be a problem for us, since we had a free trade zone and open customs borders with Ukraine, which under this association had to open its borders for Europe, which could have led to flooding of our market.
01:01:53.000We said, no, this is not going to work.
01:01:56.000We shall close our borders with Ukraine then.
01:02:01.000Yanukovych started to calculate how much Ukraine was going to gain, how much to lose, and said to his European partners, I need more time to think before signing.
01:02:11.000The moment he said that, the opposition began to take destructive steps, which were supported by the West.
01:02:18.000It all came down to Maidan and a coup in Ukraine.
01:02:22.000So he did more trade with Russia than with the EU.
01:08:39.000Despite that, the opposition committed a coup and all these countries pretended that they didn't remember that they were guarantors of the peaceful settlement.
01:08:50.000They just threw it in the stove right away and nobody recalls that.
01:08:55.000I don't know if the US know anything about the agreement between the opposition and the authorities and its three guarantors who, instead of bringing this whole situation back in the political field, supported the coup.
01:09:09.000Although it was meaningless, believe me.
01:09:12.000Because President Yanukovych agreed to all conditions.
01:09:16.000He was ready to hold an early election which he had no chance of winning, frankly speaking.
01:09:55.000All this could have been done legally, without victims, without military action, without losing Crimea.
01:10:02.000We would have never considered to even lift a finger if it hadn't been for the bloody developments on Maidan.
01:10:11.000Because we agreed with the fact that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, our borders should be along the borders of former Union's republics.
01:10:46.000Firstly, the current Ukrainian leadership declared that it would not implement the Minsk agreements, which had been signed, as you know, after the events of 2014 in Minsk, where the plan of peaceful settlement in Donbass was set forth.
01:11:01.000But no, the current Ukrainian leadership, foreign minister, all other officials and then president himself said that they don't like anything about the Minsk agreements.
01:11:15.000In other words, they were not going to implement it.
01:11:20.000A year or a year and a half ago, former leaders of Germany and France said openly to the whole world that they indeed signed the Minsk agreements, but they never intended to implement them.
01:11:37.000President, Secretary of State and say, if you keep militarizing Ukraine with NATO forces, this is going to get, this is going to be, we're going to act?
01:11:56.000We addressed the United States and European countries' leadership to stop these developments immediately, to implement the Minsk agreements.
01:12:05.000Frankly speaking, I didn't know how we were going to do this, but I was ready to implement them.
01:12:11.000These agreements were complicated for Ukraine.
01:12:14.000They included lots of elements of those Donbass territories' independence.
01:12:20.000However, I was absolutely confident, and I'm saying this to you now.
01:12:25.000I honestly believe that if we managed to convince the residents of Donbass, and we had to work hard to convince them to return to the Ukrainian statehood, then, gradually, the wounds would start to heal.
01:12:39.000When this part of territory reintegrated itself into common social environment, when the pensions and social benefits were paid again, all the pieces would gradually fall into place.
01:13:36.000No, we haven't achieved our aims yet, because one of them is denazification.
01:13:43.000This means the prohibition of all kinds of neo-Nazi movements.
01:13:47.000This is one of the problems that we discussed during the negotiation process, which ended in Istanbul early this year.
01:14:00.000And it was not our initiative, because we were told by the Europeans in particular that it was necessary to create conditions for the final signing of the documents.
01:14:12.000My counterparts in France and Germany said,
01:14:17.000How can you imagine them signing a treaty with a gun to their heads?
01:14:22.000The troops should be pulled back from Kiev.
01:14:31.000As soon as we pulled back our troops from Kiev, our Ukrainian negotiators immediately threw all our agreements reached in Istanbul into the bin.
01:14:42.000And got prepared for a long-standing armed confrontation with the help of the United States and its satellites in Europe.
01:14:51.000That is how the situation has developed.
01:15:36.000Tucker's not even really talking at all.
01:15:40.000It's kind of just... Tucker said at the beginning that he initially thought it was a filibuster, but it turned out not to be, which, you know, I think all of this is... Like Putin said, it's not supposed to be blood sports.
01:15:55.000It's not supposed to be political soap opera.
01:15:59.000In the corner of the head, there is an identity.
01:16:26.000And it came up with nothing better than to build this identity upon some false heroes who collaborated with Hitler.
01:16:39.000I have already said that in the early 19th century, when the theorists of independence and sovereignty of Ukraine appeared, they assumed that an independent Ukraine should have very good relations with Russia.
01:16:57.000But due to the historical development, those territories were part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Poland, where Ukrainians were persecuted and treated quite brutally as well as were subject to cruel behavior.
01:17:11.000There were also attempts to destroy their identity.
01:17:23.000All this remained in the memory of the people.
01:17:26.000When World War II broke out, part of this extremely nationalist elite collaborated with Hitler, believing that he would bring them freedom.
01:17:39.000The German troops, even the SS troops, made Hitler's collaborators do the dirtiest work of exterminating the Polish and Jewish population.
01:17:48.000Hence this brutal massacre of the Polish and Jewish population, as well as the Russian population too.
01:18:01.000This was led by the persons who are well-known.
01:23:14.000So how does it in any way shape or form resemble Nazi ideology?
01:23:19.000If he says, well, you know, have they have they really repudiated or he says imputed Nazi ideology if they applauded this Galician general?
01:23:35.000This is like Sean Han- I was much more comfortable with the history lesson about the first 1,000 years of Russian history than this Sean Han, the Dinesh D'Souza.
01:23:47.000Hey, though, Justin Trudeau wore blackface and they applauded a Galician officer.
01:24:04.000Not that I am a Nazi, but I mean, you know, I'm the guy that says, hey, I love Hitler, and Holocaust was embellished, and there's a Jewish conspiracy.
01:25:05.000You know, as strange as it may seem to you, during the negotiations in Istanbul we did agree that we have it all in writing, neo-Nazism would not be cultivated in Ukraine, including that it would be prohibited at the legislative level.
01:26:04.000They reached a very high stage of coordination of positions in a complex process, but still they were almost finalized.
01:26:13.000But after we withdrew our troops from Kiev, as I have already said, the other side threw away all these agreements and obeyed the instructions of Western countries, European countries and the United States to fight Russia to the bitter end.
01:26:30.000Moreover, the President of Ukraine has legislated a ban on negotiating with Russia.
01:26:36.000He signed a decree forbidding everyone to negotiate with Russia.
01:26:42.000But how are we going to negotiate if he forbade himself and everyone to do this?
01:26:49.000We know that he is putting forward some ideas about this settlement.
01:26:52.000But in order to agree on something, we need to have a dialogue.
01:27:21.000Well, he's funding the war that you're fighting, so I would think that would be memorable.
01:27:28.000Well, yes, he funds, but I talked to him before the special military operation, of course.
01:27:33.000And I said to him then, by the way, I will not go into details, I never do, but I said to him then, I believe that you are making a huge mistake of historic proportions by supporting everything that is happening there, in Ukraine, by pushing Russia away.
01:27:50.000I told him, told him repeatedly, by the way.
01:27:53.000I think that would be correct if I stop here.
01:28:40.000All of them are safe and sound, thank God.
01:28:43.000The former president, Condoleezza, is safe and sound, and I think Mr. Gates and the current director of the intelligence agency, Mr. Burns, the then ambassador to Russia, in my opinion, are very successful ambassadors.
01:28:59.000They were all witnesses to these conversations.
01:29:05.000If you are interested in what Mr. President Biden responded to me, ask him.
01:29:11.000At any rate, I'd talk to him about it.
01:29:13.000I'm definitely interested, but from the outside, it seems like this could devolve or evolve into something that brings the entire world into conflict and could
01:31:31.000And thinking people, not philistines, but thinking people, analysts, those who are engaged in real politics, just smart people, understand perfectly well that this is a fake.
01:31:44.000They're trying to fuel the Russian threat.
01:31:46.000The threat I think you're referring to is a Russian invasion of Poland, Latvia, expansionist behavior.
01:31:54.000Can you imagine a scenario where you sent Russian troops to Poland?
01:32:03.000Only in one case, if Poland attacks Russia.
01:32:18.000Well, the argument, I know you know this, is that, well, he invaded Ukraine, he has territorial aims across the continent, and you're saying unequivocally you don't.
01:33:15.000In order to extort additional money from US taxpayers and European taxpayers in the confrontation with Russia in the Ukrainian theater of war.
01:33:26.000The goal is to weaken Russia as much as possible.
01:33:33.000This is a provocation, and a cheap provocation at that.
01:34:02.000I do not understand why American soldiers should fight in Ukraine.
01:34:06.000There are mercenaries from the United States there.
01:34:09.000The bigger number of mercenaries comes from Poland, with mercenaries from the United States in second place, and mercenaries from Georgia in third place.
01:34:20.000Well, if somebody has the desire to send regular troops, that would certainly bring humanity to the brink of very serious global conflict.
01:34:45.000You have issues on the border, issues with migration, issues with the national debt, more than 33 trillion dollars.
01:34:53.000You have nothing better to do so you should fight in Ukraine?
01:34:59.000Wouldn't it be better to negotiate with Russia?
01:35:02.000Make an agreement, already understanding the situation that is developing today, realizing that Russia will fight for its interests to the end?
01:35:12.000And realizing this, actually return to common sense, start respecting our country and its interests, and look for certain solutions?
01:35:22.000It seems to me that this is much smarter and more rational.
01:35:44.000You personally may have an alibi, but the CIA has no such alibi.
01:35:50.000Did you have evidence that NATO or the CIA did it?
01:36:00.000You know, I won't get into details, but people always say in such cases, look for someone who is interested.
01:36:08.000But in this case, we should not only look for someone who is interested, but also for someone who has capabilities.
01:36:14.000Because there may be many people interested, but not all of them are capable of sinking to the bottom of the Baltic Sea and carrying out this explosion.
01:36:24.000These two components should be connected.
01:36:26.000Who is interested, and who is capable of doing it?
01:36:30.000I mean, that's the biggest act of industrial terrorism ever, and it's the largest emission of CO2 in history.
01:36:36.000Okay, so if you had evidence, and presumably given your security services, your intel services, you would, that NATO, the US, CIA, the West, did this, why wouldn't you present it and win a propaganda victory?
01:36:55.000In the war of propaganda, it is very difficult to defeat the United States, because the United States controls all the world's media and many European media.
01:37:05.000The ultimate beneficiary of the biggest European media are American financial institutions.
01:38:32.000There's another route through Poland, called Yamal-Europe, which also allows for a large flow.
01:38:39.000Poland has closed it, but Poland packs from the German hand, it receives money from the pan-European funds, and Germany is the main donor to these pan-European funds.
01:38:50.000Germany feeds Poland to a certain extent.
01:38:53.000And they close their route to Germany.
01:39:25.000Look, guys, we give you money and weapons, open up the valve, please, let the gas from Russia pass through for us.
01:39:33.000We're buying liquefied gas at exorbitant prices in Europe, which brings the level of our competitiveness and economy in general down to zero.
01:42:52.000You know, to use the dollar as a tool of foreign policy struggle is one of the biggest strategic mistakes made by the US political leadership.
01:43:26.000The dollar is the cornerstone of the United States' power.
01:43:31.000I think everyone understands very well that no matter how many dollars are printed, they are quickly dispersed all over the world.
01:43:48.000Inflation in the United States is minimal.
01:43:50.000It's about 3 or 3.4 percent, which is, I think, totally acceptable for the US.
01:44:12.000Nevertheless, it is the main weapon used by the United States to preserve its power across the world.
01:44:18.000As soon as the political leadership decided to use the US dollar as a tool of political struggle, a blow was dealt to this American power.
01:44:28.000I would not like to use any strong language, but it is a stupid thing to do and a grave mistake.
01:44:42.000Look at what is going on in the world.
01:44:45.000Even the United States allies are now downsizing their dollar reserves.
01:44:49.000Seeing this, everyone starts looking for ways to protect themselves.
01:44:54.000But the fact that the United States applies restrictive measures to certain countries, such as placing restrictions on transactions, freezing assets, etc., causes great concern and sends a signal to the whole world.
01:46:17.000This is the take from Richard Hanania, the Asperger's incel.
01:46:23.000He writes, I'm a Tucker interview with Putin.
01:46:28.000I'm glad that we got to see this because it revealed how out of touch Putin is.
01:46:33.000Tucker begins with a simple question of what the threat was on February 2022.
01:46:37.000Putin's response spends half an hour on the entire history of Russia.
01:46:44.000We're used to people in the Middle East talking like this, an obsession with deep history as the characteristic of cultures that fight wars that never end.
01:46:52.000No one even in the Russian-speaking part of Ukraine wants to be part of Russia.
01:46:58.000Modern people care about their own lives and freedom and want a vision of the future.
01:47:03.000That's what Ukraine and the West offer, not endless lectures from a grumpy uncle on how Vlad Vladimirovich sent love letters to Svetlana the Elegant in 1207 and why this proves that Russians and Ukrainians are one people.
01:47:16.000When talking about geopolitics, the deeper someone goes in history, the more disconnected they are from modern reality, and the less likely they are to be a rational actor who can be negotiated with.
01:47:27.000Putin had arguments he could have started with about the U.S.
01:47:30.000interfering in Russian affairs, but he's deranged enough to think that leading with a lecture on the history of Slavic people is how you sell a war in the 21st century.
01:48:30.000Watching the Putin interview and just thinking what a missed opportunity it was for him, Tucker's audience is willing to hear an honest case based on national sovereignty and mutual respect, and instead get a long history lecture, a very abstract case for Russian revanchism, and boomer nonsense about the West being sympathetic to Nazism.
01:48:53.000Three very different people coming from three very different places, but all negative.
01:48:58.000Spencer is pro-NATO, pro-West, pro-Ukraine.
01:49:02.000Hanania is more sympathetic to liberalism.
01:49:05.000I don't know that he's necessarily drinking the Kool-Aid on Ukraine.
01:49:08.000Keith Woods, very critical, very skeptical of NATO.
01:49:37.000James Kirkpatrick, who I'm a huge fan of.
01:49:40.000He writes for VDare and a brilliant speaker.
01:49:43.000This is the last one and then we'll continue on.
01:49:47.000He writes, Putin's mistake is thinking a Western audience will know or care about the history of Eastern Europe.
01:49:54.000The high IQ, politically influential population in this country is more likely to fall into hysteria over the history of Panem or Gilead than anything that actually happened.
01:50:41.000Putin invokes Rurik and Yaroslav territories of the Polish-Lithuanian Duchy.
01:50:47.000vs. the Mongols vs. Kievan Rus' regarding formation of ethnic identity before not just the Soviet Union but the Russian Empire.
01:50:55.000Americans struggle to name the last 10 presidents sequentially.
01:50:59.000Putin becomes emotionally labile about U.S.-sponsored governments which attacked Russians in South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
01:51:07.000Americans once seriously considered for the presidency a man who scornfully viewed being asked about Uzbeki Becky Stan Stan as an unfair test of trivia facts.
01:51:18.000Putin is not merely willing but eager to talk about the minutiae of agreements to resolve conflicts between Russia and Ukraine in 2014.
01:51:24.000He thinks about the world in terms of official documents.
01:51:27.000Americans live in a culture suffused by irony, innuendo, and meta-referential sarcasm.
01:51:37.000I have no doubt Putin's view of Russian national integrity, to whatever extent it remains materially or politically viable, grants him even use of nuclear weapons.
01:51:45.000American populism is currently engaged in surrender to transgenderism because it's champions endorses a beer company.
01:52:16.000I actually have to think about it a little bit.
01:52:18.000I tend to be sympathetic to what Keith Woods said, which is, and Richard Spencer as well, which is that this is very tedious.
01:52:28.000And I think that this was an opportunity for a mass audience or a more conservative audience that watches Tucker Carlson, for a sympathetic audience in the West for what
01:55:21.000Special counsel report released Thursday found evidence that President Biden willfully retained and shared highly classified information as a private citizen, including about military and foreign policy in Afghanistan, concluded criminal charges are not warranted.
01:55:37.000So maybe the press conference is about that or something else.
01:56:34.000I think it is complete foolishness from the point of view of the interests of the United States itself and its taxpayers, as it damages the U.S.
01:56:43.000economy, undermines the power of the United States across the world.
01:56:49.000By the way, our transactions in yuan accounted for about 3%.
01:56:52.000Today, 34% of our transactions are made in rubles, and about as much, a little over 34% in yuan.
01:57:52.000The question is what comes next, and maybe you trade one colonial power for another much less sentimental and forgiving colonial power.
01:58:01.000I mean, is the Brits, for example, in danger of being completely dominated by the Chinese, the Chinese economy, in a way that's not good for their sovereignty?
01:59:56.000It is a delicate matter, and there are no silver bullet solutions, just as it is with the dollar.
02:00:04.000So, before introducing any illegitimate sanctions, illegitimate in terms of the Charter of the United Nations, one should think very carefully, for decision-makers this appears to be a problem.
02:00:21.000So, you said a moment ago that the world would be a lot better if it weren't broken into competing alliances, if there was cooperation globally.
02:00:30.000One of the reasons you don't have that is because the current American administration is dead set against you.
02:00:36.000Do you think if there were a new administration after Joe Biden that you would be able to reestablish communication with the U.S.
02:00:55.000But let me finish the previous thought.
02:00:58.000We, together with my colleague and friend, President Xi Jinping, set a goal to reach 200 billion dollars of mutual trade with China this year.
02:01:10.000According to our figures, our bilateral trade with China totals already 230 billion, and the Chinese statistics says it is 240 billion dollars.
02:02:11.000The quote from one of those here... Stop punking me!
02:02:15.000Everybody in the chat is saying that he's live.
02:02:17.000You gotta let me know for real when he goes live.
02:02:20.000Look, if memory serves me right, back in 1992 the share of the G7 countries in the world economy amounted to 47%, whereas in 2022 it was down to, I think, a little over 30%.
02:02:41.000The BRICS countries accounted for only 16% in 1992.
02:02:46.000But now their share is greater than that of the G7.
02:02:50.000It has nothing to do with the events in Ukraine.
02:02:53.000This is due to the trends of global development and world economy as I mentioned just now.
02:03:23.000Your political establishment does not understand that the world is changing under objective circumstances.
02:03:30.000And in order to preserve your level, even if someone aspires, pardon me, to the level of dominance, you have to make the right decisions in a competent and timely manner.
02:03:42.000Such brutal actions, including with regard to Russia, and, say, other countries, are counterproductive.
02:05:27.000In fact, I was so determined to give the special counsel what he needed, I went forward with a five-hour in-person interview over two days on October the 8th and 9th of last year, even though Israel had just been attacked by Hamas on the 7th and I was very occupied.
02:05:44.000I was in the middle of handling an international crisis.
02:05:47.000I was especially pleased to see Special Counsel make clear the stark distinction and difference between this case and Mr. Trump's case.
02:05:56.000Special Counsel wrote, and I quote, several material distinctions between Mr. Trump's case and Mr. Biden's are clear.
02:06:03.000Continuing to quote, most notably, after giving multiple chances to return classified documents to avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite.
02:06:13.000According to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for many months, he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about it.
02:06:24.000In contrast, Mr. Biden turned in classified documents to the National Archives and the Department of Justice, consented to the search of multiple locations, including his home, sat for a voluntary interview, and in other ways cooperated with the investigation."
02:06:40.000I've seen the headlines since the report was released about my willful retention of documents.
02:06:46.000These assertions are not only misleading, they're just plain wrong.
02:06:50.000On page 215, if you had a chance, I know it's a long, it's a thick document.
02:06:55.000On page 215, the report of the special counsel found the exact opposite.
02:07:48.000Somebody would have commented, I wear, since the day he died, every single day, the rosary he got from Our Lady of... Every Memorial Day, we hold a service remembering him, attended by friends and family and the people who loved him.
02:08:07.000I don't need anyone to remind me when he passed away or passed away.
02:08:13.000Simple truth is I sat for a five-hour interview over two days of events, going back 40 years.
02:08:19.000The same time I was managing an international crisis, their task was to make a decision about whether to move forward with charges in this case.
02:08:42.000The bottom line is the matter is now closed.
02:08:45.000I'm going to continue what I've always focused on, my job of being President of the United States of America.
02:08:51.000Thank you, and I'll take some questions.
02:08:53.000President Biden, something the special counsel said in his report is that one of the reasons you were not charged is because, in his description, you are a well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory.
02:09:07.000I'm well-meaning, and I'm an elderly man, and I know what the hell I'm doing.
02:09:11.000I've been president, and I put this country back on its feet.
02:11:46.000Mr. President, let me answer your question.
02:11:50.000The fact of the matter is, what I didn't want repeated, I didn't want him to know, and I didn't read it to him, was I had written a long memorandum to President Obama, why we should not be in Afghanistan.
02:12:06.000And so what I was referring to, I said classified, I should have said it should be private, because it was a contact between the President and the Vice President, as to what was going on.
02:16:07.000Number two, I was also in the position that I'm the guy that made the case that we have to do much more to increase the amount of material going in.
02:17:19.000You may recall, in the very beginning, right after, right before Hamas attacked, I was in contact with the Saudis and others to work out a deal where they would recognize Israel's right to exist, let them make them part of the Middle East, and recognize them fully in return for certain things that the United States would commit to do.
02:17:41.000And the commitment that we were proposed to do related to two items.
02:17:46.000I'm not going to go in detail, but one of them was to deal with the protection against their arch enemy to the northwest.
02:18:36.000I think that he is on drugs some kind of Stimulant before he goes and does these press conferences because they all last about exactly the same amount of time I mean he was out here for 12 minutes and he's fallen apart by the end of it came out a little bit strong and
02:18:53.000and by the end of it you could tell he's fading out and just doesn't I mean there were a few gaps there he didn't remember who the saint was that the rosary was dedicated to got Egypt and Mexico confused I don't even know how you get that one twisted he said the president of Mexico LCC
02:21:21.000But if, in the end, one comes to the awareness that the world has been changing due to the abjective circumstances, and that one should be able to adapt to them in time, using the advantages that the US still has today, then perhaps something may change.
02:21:42.000Look, China's economy has become the first economy in the world in purchasing power parity.
02:21:49.000In terms of volume, it overtook the US a long time ago.
02:21:53.000The USA comes second, then India, one and a half billion people, and then Japan, with Russia in the fifth place.
02:22:02.000Russia was the first economy in Europe last year despite all the sanctions and restrictions.
02:22:11.000Sanctions, restrictions, impossibility of payments in dollars, being cut off from swift services, sanctions against our ships carrying oil, sanctions against airplanes, sanctions in everything, everywhere.
02:22:29.000The largest number of sanctions in the world which are applied are applied against Russia.
02:22:34.000And we have become Europe's first economy during this time.
02:22:43.000Well, one has to think about what to do.
02:22:47.000If this realization comes to the ruling elites, then yes, then the first person of the state will act in anticipation of what the voters and the people who make decisions at various levels expect from this person.
02:23:04.000You're describing two different systems.
02:23:05.000You say the leader acts in the interest of the voters, but you also say these decisions are not made by the leader, they're made by the ruling classes.
02:23:13.000You've run this country for so long, you've known all these American presidents.
02:23:16.000What are those power centers in the United States, do you think?
02:23:21.000Like, who actually makes the decisions?
02:24:24.000It is very difficult for us to understand it.
02:24:28.000Certainly, there are two parties that are dominant, the Republicans and the Democrats, and within this party system the centers that make decisions, that prepare decisions.
02:24:40.000Then, look, why, in my opinion, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, such an erroneous, crude, completely unjustified policy of pressure was pursued against Russia?
02:24:52.000After all, this is a policy of pressure.
02:24:55.000NATO expansion, support for the separatists and Caucasus, creation of a missile defense system.
02:25:16.000I think, among other things, because excessive production capacities were created.
02:25:23.000During the confrontation with the Soviet Union, there were many centers created and specialists on the Soviet Union, who could not do anything else.
02:25:32.000They convinced the political leadership that it is necessary to continue chiseling Russia, to try to break it up, to create on this territory several quasi-state entities and to subdue them in a divided form, to use their combined potential for the future struggle with China.
02:25:52.000This is a mistake, including the excessive potential of those who worked for the confrontation with the Soviet Union.
02:26:17.000We just have to assume that Indonesia will enter, it is already in, the club of the world's leading economies, no matter who likes it or dislikes it.
02:26:28.000Yes, we understand and are aware that in the United States, despite all the economic problems,
02:26:35.000The situation is still normal with the economy growing decently.
02:26:40.000The GDP is growing by 2.5% if I'm not mistaken.
02:26:46.000But if we want to ensure the future, then we need to change our approach to what is changing.
02:26:51.000As I already said, the world would nevertheless change, regardless of how the developments in Ukraine end.
02:27:00.000In the United States themselves, experts are writing that the United States are nonetheless gradually changing their position in the world.
02:27:28.000And in order to assess them and change policies, we need people who think, look forward, can analyze and recommend certain decisions at the level of political leaders.
02:27:40.000I just have to ask, you've said clearly that NATO expansion eastward is a violation of the promise you all made in 1990.
02:27:50.000Right before you sent troops into Ukraine, the Vice President of the United States went to the Munich Security Conference and encouraged the President of Ukraine to join NATO.
02:27:59.000Do you think that was an effort to provoke you into military action?
02:28:10.000I repeat once again, we have repeatedly, repeatedly proposed to seek a solution to the problems that arose in Ukraine after 2014 coup d'etat through peaceful means.
02:28:25.000And moreover, the Ukrainian leaders who were under the complete U.S.
02:28:29.000control suddenly declared that they would not comply with the Minsk agreements.
02:28:34.000They disliked everything there and continued military activity in that territory.
02:28:47.000And in parallel, that territory was being exploited by NATO military structures, under the guise of various personnel training and retraining centers.
02:28:58.000They essentially began to create bases there, that's all.
02:29:03.000Ukraine announced that the Russians were a non-titular nationality, while passing the laws that limit the rights of non-titular nationalities in Ukraine.
02:29:14.000Ukraine, having received all these Southeastern territories as a gift from the Russian people, suddenly announced that the Russians were a non-titular nationality in that territory.
02:31:13.000But do you think at this point, as of February 2024, he has the latitude, the freedom, to speak with you in... The Nazi angle is so ineffective.
02:31:23.000And to be fair, it has a bit of a different meaning for Russia because the...
02:31:32.000Russian society was so affected by World War II since so many people died and it actually took place on Russian soil.
02:31:41.000So it has a little bit of a different place in the Russian consciousness than it does in ours.
02:31:45.000Especially because Germany and Russia are natural geopolitical foes.
02:31:51.000So when Putin talks about Nazis, it does have a different meaning to them than it does to us.
02:32:02.000And I don't know how much of that is pandering to a liberal Western sensibility and how much of it is his out-of-touchness with the West.
02:32:14.000But when he says that it's a Nazi regime, he's of course referring to the threat posed to Russia by Germany even before the creation of the Nazi party.
02:32:28.000And he's also even talking about the legacy of that today.
02:33:08.000It's an imperial project to expand NATO.
02:33:12.000It's an incursion and a provocation against Russia.
02:33:16.000I mean, to me, I think that to talk about the CIA interventions on Russia's periphery and specifically in the Euromaidan, to me, that makes a lot more sense.
02:33:26.000And the expansion of NATO, to me, those are the salient arguments
02:33:31.000I don't think we need to get... I mean, it's helpful to go into the history of how Ukraine ethically is part of Russia.
02:34:43.000Although we believe in Russia that the coup d'etat is the primary source of power for everything that happened after 2014.
02:34:52.000And in this sense, even today government is flawed.
02:34:56.000But he considers himself the president and he is recognized by the United States, all of Europe and practically the rest of the world in such a capacity.
02:35:14.000Moreover, the negotiation group leader, Mr. Arhamiye is his last name, I believe still heads the faction of the ruling party, the party of the president in the Rada.
02:35:26.000He still heads the presidential faction in the Rada, the country's parliament.
02:35:33.000He even put his preliminary signature on the document I am telling you about.
02:35:37.000But then he publicly stated to the whole world, we were ready to sign this document, but Mr. Johnson, then the Prime Minister of Great Britain, came and dissuaded us from doing this, saying it was better to fight Russia.
02:35:53.000They would give everything needed for us to return what was lost during the clashes with Russia.
02:36:40.000And the fact that they obey the demand or persuasion of Mr. Johnson, the former Prime Minister of Great Britain, seems ridiculous and very sad to me.
02:36:50.000Because, as Mr. Arakamiya put it, we could have stopped those hostilities with war a year and a half ago already.
02:37:00.000But the British persuaded us and we refused this.
02:38:29.000But in the end, this orthodoxy, Eastern Christianity, deeply rooted itself in the consciousness of the Russian people.
02:38:40.000When Russia expanded and absorbed other nations who profess Islam, Buddhism and Judaism, Russia has always been very loyal to those people who profess other religions.
02:38:56.000And the fact is that the main postulates, main values are very similar, not to say the same, in all world religions I've just mentioned, and which are the traditional religions of the Russian Federation, Russia.
02:39:12.000By the way, Russian authorities were always very careful about the culture and religion of those people who came into the Russian Empire.
02:39:22.000This, in my opinion, forms the basis of both security and stability of the Russian statehood.
02:39:29.000All the peoples inhabiting Russia basically consider it their motherhood.
02:39:36.000If, say, people move over to you or to Europe from Latin America,
02:39:41.000An even clearer and more understandable example.
02:39:44.000People come, but yet they have come to you or to European countries from their historical homeland.
02:39:52.000And people who profess different religions in Russia consider Russia their motherland.
02:40:19.000And if we say that the motherland and the family are specifically connected with each other,
02:40:28.000It is indeed the case, since it is impossible to ensure a normal future for our children and our families unless we ensure a normal, sustainable future for the entire country, for the motherland.
02:40:42.000That is why patriotic sentiment is so strong in Russia.
02:40:49.000The one way in which the religions are different is that Christianity is specifically a non-violent religion.
02:40:55.000Jesus says, turn the other cheek, don't kill.
02:40:57.000How can a leader, who has to kill, of any country, how can a leader be a Christian?
02:41:46.000As for religion in general, you know, it's not about external manifestations, it's not about going to church every day or banging your head on the floor.
02:42:08.000Dostoevsky, who was very well known in the West and the genius of Russian culture, Russian literature, spoke a lot about this, about the Russian soul.
02:42:18.000After all, Western society is more pragmatic.
02:42:20.000Russian people think more about the eternal, about moral values.
02:42:33.000I don't know, maybe you won't agree with me, but Western culture is more pragmatic after all.
02:43:24.000My opinion is that the development of the world community is in accordance with the inherent laws, and those laws are what they are.
02:43:35.000It's always been this way in the history of mankind.
02:43:38.000Some nations and countries rose, became stronger and more numerous, and then left the international stage, losing the status they had accustomed to.
02:43:51.000There's probably no need for me to give examples, but we could start with the king Iskhan and horde conquerors, the Golden Horde, and then end with the Roman Empire.
02:44:02.000It seems that there has never been anything like the Roman Empire in the history of mankind.
02:44:09.000Nevertheless, the potential of the barbarians gradually grew, as did their population.
02:44:15.000In general, the barbarians were getting stronger and begun to develop economically, as we would say today.
02:44:23.000This eventually led to the collapse of the Roman Empire and the regime imposed by the Romans.
02:44:32.000However, it took five centuries for the Roman Empire to fall apart.
02:44:36.000The difference with what is happening now is that all the processes of change are happening at a much faster pace than in Roman times.
02:44:50.000So when does the AI empire start, do you think?
02:44:58.000That's a very interesting insinuation that he just made.
02:45:01.000This eventually led to the collapse of the Roman Empire and the regime imposed by the Romans.
02:45:09.000However, it took five centuries for the Roman Empire to fall apart.
02:45:13.000The difference with what is happening now is that all the processes of change are happening at a much faster pace than in Roman times.
02:45:28.000So, when does the AI empire start, do you think?
02:45:39.000You're asking increasingly more complicated questions.
02:45:43.000To answer them, you need to be an expert in big numbers, big data and AI.
02:45:49.000Mankind is currently facing many threats.
02:45:52.000Due to the genetic researches, it is now possible to create a superhuman, a specialized human being, a genetically engineered athlete, scientist, military man.
02:46:06.000There are reports that Elon Musk has already had a chip implanted in the human brain in the USA.
02:46:20.000Well, I think there's no stopping Elon Musk, he will do as he sees fit.
02:46:27.000Nevertheless, you need to find some common ground with him, search for ways to persuade him.
02:46:34.000I think he's a smart person, I truly believe he is.
02:46:38.000So you need to reach an agreement with him because this process needs to be formalized and subjected to certain rules.
02:46:52.000Humanity has to consider what is going to happen due to the newest development in genetics or in AI.
02:47:01.000One can make an approximate prediction of what will happen.
02:47:04.000Once mankind felt an existential threat coming from nuclear weapons,
02:47:15.000All nuclear nations began to come to terms with one another since they realized the negligent use of nuclear weaponry could drive humanity to extinction.
02:47:24.000It is impossible to stop research in genetics or AI today, just as it was impossible to stop the use of gunpowder back in the day.
02:47:39.000But as soon as we realize that the threat comes from unbridled and uncontrolled development of AI, or genetics, or any other field, the time will come to reach an international agreement on how to regulate these things.
02:47:59.000I appreciate all the time you've given us.
02:48:01.000I'm just going to ask you one last question, and that's about someone who's very famous in the United States, probably not here, Evan Gershkowitz, who's the Wall Street Journal reporter.
02:48:10.000He's 32, and he's been in prison for almost a year.
02:48:15.000This is a huge story in the United States, and I just want to ask you directly, without getting into the details of it or your version of what happened, if as a sign of your decency,
02:48:24.000You would be willing to release him to us and we'll bring him back to the United States?
02:48:37.000We have done so many gestures of goodwill out of decency that I think we have run out of them.
02:48:51.000We have never seen anyone reciprocate to us in a similar manner.
02:48:57.000However, in theory, we can say that we do not rule out that we can do that, if our partners take reciprocal steps.
02:49:08.000When I talk about the partners, I, first of all, refer to special services.
02:49:15.000Special services are in contact with one another, they are talking about the matter in question.
02:49:23.000There is no taboo to settle this issue.
02:49:29.000But there are certain terms being discussed via special services channels.
02:49:33.000I believe an agreement can be reached.
02:49:40.000So, I mean, this stuff has happened for, obviously, centuries.
02:49:44.000One country catches another spy within its borders, it trades it for one of its own intel guys in another country.
02:49:50.000I think what makes this, and it's not my business, but what makes this difference is the guy's obviously not a spy, he's a kid.
02:49:56.000And maybe he was breaking your law in some way, but he's not a super spy, and everybody knows that, and he's being held hostage in exchange, which is true.
02:50:03.000With respect, it's true, and everyone knows it's true.
02:50:05.000So maybe he's in a different category.
02:50:08.000Maybe it's not fair to ask for, you know, somebody else in exchange for letting him out.
02:51:19.000Are you suggesting he was working for the US government or NATO, or he was just a reporter who was given material he wasn't supposed to have?
02:51:26.000Those seem like very different things.
02:54:51.000This just, Tucker is just like a Gen X hippie, just totally out of his, well he's not even a hippie, he's a fake hippie, but totally out of his depth in this interview with this faux sentimentalism.
02:55:05.000You're talking to, as I said earlier, a statesman who has led the largest country in the world for a quarter of a century, one of the oldest living heads of state, or rather longest serving heads of state in the world.
02:57:37.000I didn't think you meant it as an insult, because you already said correctly, it's been reported that
02:57:41.000Ukraine was prevented from negotiating a peace settlement by the former British Prime Minister acting on behalf of the Biden administration.
02:57:52.000And that's why I asked about dealing directly with the Biden administration, which is making these decisions, not President Zelensky of Ukraine.
02:58:03.000Well, if the Zelensky administration in Ukraine refused to negotiate, I assume they did it under the instruction from Washington.
02:58:18.000If Washington believes it to be the wrong decision,
03:05:12.000Tucker, so, dude, the way he ended that is so... I hate this, like, tone, this affect that he has where he's, like, soft-spoken or whatever.
03:06:02.000He's not... It's almost, on some level, insulting and disrespectful.
03:06:07.000And I felt the same way when Megyn Kelly interviewed Putin, although Megyn Kelly was, you may remember, she interviewed Putin, I think back in 2017 or 2018, and she was a lot more combative and antagonistic, and Tucker was more respectful and polite and arguably more professional.
03:06:29.000But some of these questions like, why don't you just say NATO won?
03:06:33.000Or why don't you just call a Biden, man?
03:06:39.000Like... There's just a lack of decorum and a lack of seriousness.
03:06:49.000So I'm actually a little bit, I'm not disappointed in Putin.
03:06:53.000I thought there were parts of it that I thought were less effective, but I thought that overall Putin is always impressive and very intelligent and thoughtful, but I thought the interviewer, I thought Tucker did not do a good job.
03:07:17.000So, I wasn't the biggest fan of this interview.
03:07:19.000I think Putin's great, but... And this is not... I am a little bit biased because I'm not the biggest fan of Tucker, but I don't think he was asking very effective questions.
03:07:53.000Why did you invade Ukraine in February 2022?
03:07:57.000He wasn't interested in the historic relationship of the Ukrainian people to the Russian state.
03:08:06.000He was interested to know why Putin invaded Ukraine when he did.
03:08:10.000And despite the interruptions, Putin eventually arrived there.
03:08:13.000He painted a picture over the first hour, hour and 20 minutes about the history of the Russian state and how this sovereign Ukrainian entity came into existence and the
03:08:27.000The background with the post-Cold War relationship between Washington and Russia.
03:08:33.000You know, so Putin got into all these issues, but Tucker appeared not to be interested in any of that, but only in this question of what precipitated the intensification of hostilities in 2022.
03:08:45.000And like I said, to me, that is a far less interesting question.
03:08:48.000I feel like it's been tread over and over, and at a certain point it gets kind of tedious.
03:08:56.000So I don't, I think a lot of that was unnecessary.
03:09:02.000And then some of these questions at the end, again, these are not effective questions.
03:09:09.000It's a sort of a squandered opportunity to say, why don't you just call up Washington and avert World War III?
03:09:15.000It's just not a serious treatment of the issue because of course, you know, an average person approaches this conversation
03:09:26.000And they consider the worst case scenario, which is a great power conflict in the nuclear age, which many people think is an inevitable nuclear war.
03:09:37.000That any direct confrontation between great powers with these weapons would result in a nuclear exchange that would end the world.
03:09:45.000So your average person is thinking in terms of, we could all agree that we should avert a nuclear catastrophe.
03:10:27.000Because the pursuit of security, which is the pursuit of power,
03:10:34.000Forces states into opposition because power Is of course Something that comes at the expense of the other for Russia to be more powerful Necessarily its neighbors have to be less powerful its rivals have to be less power But that's how a state increases its security and so what Putin?
03:10:57.000Says I mean what he's saying but not saying is that
03:11:02.000There is a long history of Moscow and the West being in conflict over this borderland territory, whether it's the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, or it's Germany, or now it's presently Washington.
03:11:18.000What he's basically saying is that there's, for a thousand years, there's been a tug of war between the West and Moscow over this land, and it's fundamentally
03:11:30.000A battle between two poles exerting a magnetic force and it's a tug of war.
03:11:42.000For NATO to expand eastward, for them to create an anti-ballistic missile shield, excluding Russia from the security architecture, excluding Russia from their alliance, and then fomenting a coup and then a war in Ukraine is a threat to Russia's security.
03:12:01.000And so Putin said that effectively we responded to that.
03:12:06.000And for Tucker to say, well, why don't you just give him a call and end all of that, as if it's a function of a desire to avert World War III.
03:12:18.000It's a function of these security concerns that the United States...
03:12:23.000...wants to hold in place the post-Cold War world order which is led by the United States, and the United States basically views it in these terms, that if one of these states, which is closest to the center of power of their rivals, falls, so that would be in the case of Russia, Ukraine, and the case of China, Taiwan, they view it as a dam breaking.
03:12:53.000That if Ukraine is the most vulnerable to direct Russian intervention, and if Taiwan is the most vulnerable to direct Chinese intervention, if they fall, it's sort of like a modified domino theory.
03:13:19.000And, maybe more than that, maybe first Russia makes the move on Ukraine, then China makes the move on Taiwan, maybe then Iran makes the move on Israel, and then Venezuela makes the move on Guyana, and then maybe Azerbaijan makes the move on Armenia, and maybe Egypt makes the move on Ethiopia.
03:13:37.000And so, for the United States, it's like more of a dam bursting.
03:13:43.000That the entire world, not just on the periphery,
03:14:06.000And eventually the entire stability of the world goes and then there is a truly global conflict and the United States will not be able to control it and there'll be a great global disorder which will threaten our economic interest and our economic interest is bound up with the stability of the world and the trade routes in the sea and over land and the
03:14:32.000Weapons of mass destruction which are out there and all these other things So the United States says that we we have to secure Ukraine Ukraine is the sovereign independent state We have to secure it bring it into the fold and protect it from Russia Russia says that for the United States to do that enhancing its security that necessarily takes away from Russia's security because that would entail NATO missiles and NATO military bases and
03:15:03.000Basically, at the heart of Russia, in Ukraine.
03:15:08.000And resting away control of the Black Sea and basically putting too many assets in such close proximity to Russia.
03:15:24.000He said that historically America is declining in relative terms as nations like in Asia rise up with their purchasing power and then therefore their military.
03:15:37.000Necessarily, American power will have to diminish relative to the rest of the world.
03:15:42.000He said, and how do you want that to happen?
03:15:44.000Is that going to happen quickly and painfully with a catastrophe like what's happening in Ukraine?
03:15:50.000Or is it going to be gradual and on the basis of a negotiated settlement?
03:15:55.000And so that's the contradiction that has to be resolved.
03:16:03.000So to come to this interview in these simplistic terms, like it's so simple, and say, why don't you just call Washington and just iron it out?
03:16:14.000If it were that simple, if these matters were so insignificant or so simple that it was simply a matter of picking up the phone, we wouldn't be here.
03:16:34.000It's only in high stakes issues dealing with interest that is very significant with parties that are very powerful and very interested in the outcomes of those things.
03:16:47.000It's only in those cases where you have major wars like this, which some would say are defying the era.
03:16:56.000So, to me, when you start throwing stuff out like that, and even the matter of the Wall Street Journal journalist who was arrested, so if you haven't seen, there was a journalist with the Wall Street Journal who was arrested in Russia on espionage charges, and they discussed that, and Tucker says, oh, come on, he's not a spy, why don't you just let him go?
03:17:19.000It's like, do you think that's the logic of states?
03:17:22.000Do you think that states can conduct themselves in this way?
03:17:26.000Because it goes without saying that if a state were to simply say that it would tolerate any aggression or any provocation, lest there be a nuclear war, that state would be destroyed from within by the American intelligence community.
03:17:43.000If a state were to say that, you know, anytime a person's sensibilities are offended by its actions, like, for example, arresting a 31-year-old journalist, again,
03:17:56.000You don't even have a basis for a state.
03:17:58.000You don't have any basis for security there.
03:18:27.000I'm not a fan of Tucker as an interviewer.
03:18:30.000I think he's a lot more used to these other interviews where he asks a leader something like, they said, wait a second, the media said you're a racist, but you sound reasonable.
03:18:42.000You know, if he's not asking a stupid question like that, I guess this is what we get.
03:18:49.000So, yeah, I thought that was not very good.
03:18:57.000And I thought it was better at the end.
03:19:01.000I didn't really... I thought the explanation of history was a little bit tedious, and I think that the argument about denazification is not compelling, and I don't think it's persuasive, and I also think it's just kind of nonsense.
03:19:19.000And I think a lot more time, I think eventually he got there, eventually got to, because to me what is the most salient and what is the most pressing is the history since the Cold War.
03:19:30.000And if you want to go back further, I would say that maybe what is relevant is how the sovereign Ukrainian entity was created by Stalin and his doctrine on nationalities.
03:19:43.000But I think that's about as far back as you can go.
03:19:46.000Where it makes sense to go back a thousand years.
03:19:49.000I think that's maybe a good prologue, but I don't think it required 40 minutes to go through all of that.
03:19:58.000I think it's enough to say that NATO and Washington have not been cooperative.
03:20:37.000I think everything that Putin said is true, and I think everything is relevant on some level, but in terms of economizing on the time here, because this is, all eyes are on Putin, everybody's watching this, it's a huge Western audience, it's sympathetic.
03:20:53.000Is the most effective argument to go back to the 9th century and talk about how the Ukrainians are Nazis and they gave a standing ovation to that officer in the Canadian Parliament?
03:21:03.000I think that stuff should have been cut out.
03:21:05.000I don't... I don't think that was particularly effective.
03:23:06.000If you don't have an active account on Twitter you can only see like
03:23:11.00025 tweets on a given day and then once you see them they disable your access So I can't even see what people are saying I'll just go on my phone.
03:23:23.000I have a burner on my phone So I'll just read it here I guess I
03:24:16.000Matt Walsh writes, just started watching the Putin interview.
03:24:19.000One thing you notice right away is that the guy is lucid and sharp, capable of sitting for a two-hour interview about extremely dense subjects.
03:24:27.000Compare that to the frail vegetable in the White House who had to cancel a puff piece interview before the Super Bowl because he can't speak on camera for more than... This is just like the most asinine takeaway.
03:28:15.000You'll see UBI introduced and crime skyrocket as they get locked out of the labor market and relegated to welfare recipients and domestics.
03:29:37.000Yeah, you know, it's not easy doing what I do, but it's worth it.
03:29:41.000Because I feel like everything else is just... I mean, if you didn't have this show, you would go on Twitter and what's the reaction of the Putin interview?
03:29:48.000Well, this just shows that Biden is dumb.
03:30:00.000It's like 2024 and people watch something that's got nothing to do with him and say, you know, I think the key takeaway is that Biden is retarded.
03:30:11.000You know, year five of Biden being retarded and having Alzheimer's
03:30:16.000And people watch an interview with Tucker and Putin and the only thing they can say about it is, I think this just goes to show that Biden has Alzheimer's and is too old.
03:32:35.000You know, oh, if you're a Christian, it means, you know, you gotta just suffer any injury, you have to just like it, you gotta be okay with everything.
03:32:42.000No, you do not have to be okay with everything.
03:32:45.000And even forgiveness, even people get forgiveness mixed up.
03:32:48.000You do not have to exonerate everybody.
03:32:52.000You know, if somebody is like a serial rapist,
03:32:57.000A Christian doesn't have to say, Oh, you know, let's, why don't you come and stay the night here?
03:33:27.000Everybody has gotten Christianity confused with leftism, essentially.
03:33:33.000And they've taken these radical conclusions like love everybody means you have to just like everything about everybody and forgiving people means that we have to allow ourselves to be killed in some cases and allow God to be mocked and allow people to have this moral confusion about what is and isn't sin.
03:40:48.000There's the stuff that isn't public and It's uh, it's disappointing and I wish that he would be a better example because You know, you didn't know him and I I didn't know him for a very long time.
03:41:03.000I knew him for five or six months, whatever it was seven months and
03:41:09.000But in the time that I did get to know him, he does have a genuine faith in God.
03:41:39.000Somewhere along the way, lost the mission.
03:41:43.000Because when we were out there in L.A.
03:41:47.000in December 2022, there was this mission for him to become the, like, dictator of America, basically.
03:41:58.000The fearless, visionary, Christian leader.
03:42:00.000And again, regardless of whether you think it was possible or not, even if it was only an exercise,
03:42:10.000It could have been something remarkable, where he was talking about rewriting the Constitution, subordinating the law to the Bible, and especially calling out the Jewish media.
03:42:23.000And he was obsessed with this, and working tirelessly on it all the time.
03:42:30.000It seems like he got married and that's when and I'm not listen and I met Bianca a couple times And I don't know her and I'm not I'm not insinuating any blame but it would seem like that that is right around the time when things started to go in a different direction and Again, I'm not I'm just saying that happens to be that time so I don't know if he's distracted because it's sex or I
03:42:58.000If there's an influence there, maybe it's some other personnel.
03:43:01.000I don't know what it is, but it's been very disappointing because when we were around him, there was nothing unbiblical.
03:43:18.000It was all about no swearing, no profanity, no nudity, no sex before marriage.
03:43:24.000His office was like a Christian dictatorship.
03:43:28.000And now, it's like, you know, the wife is being paraded around naked in front of the kids, and the lyrics are filthy, and, you know, they're doing sexual stuff in public, and... So, I love him.
03:43:51.000But... We gotta pray for him to get out of this, cause...
03:43:57.000You know, something's going on with him and it's nothing good.
03:44:01.000I feel like it's very dark energy and he's got a very innocent spirit and he's very boyish.
03:44:09.000I feel like he's very given to his appetites and impulses and, you know, so I would pray that he gets rescued from some of that because he's a good guy.
03:44:29.000But yeah, it's a shame what's happened.
03:44:34.000Because the last, one of the last, not the last one, but one of the last conversations I had with him, we were feeling good, we were building the campaign website, we were ready to run, and we were talking about, I don't want to spoil all of it, but we were talking about some pretty innovative things, and I just feel like all of that has just gone away since that time period.
03:45:10.000There will be time, hopefully, for him to refocus and get back on track a little bit, but it's been hard to watch, to be honest with you.
03:45:22.000Smitty Jackson sent $50, how would you have advised Putin strategically in this huge interview that tens of millions of Americans will see?
03:45:29.000Pretty yappy and a waste of potential IMO.
03:45:32.000Also what are your thoughts on Destiny beating you in your guy's second debate on immigration?
03:45:37.000You destroyed him in the first one but he kinda owned you in the follow up.
03:45:52.000Everyone in the live chat agreed I won that debate.
03:45:57.000As far as what I would say for Putin, I don't know.
03:46:02.000I really question the value of it, to be honest with you.
03:46:05.000I mean, the idea is that you break the wall down and you generate internal dissent within the United States and destroy the mandate to continue the war.
03:46:20.000Theoretically, that would be the opportunity.
03:46:26.000So in order to do that, I would make the most compelling, effective argument for why the war is the West's fault and why they're holding out on creating a peace deal.
03:46:52.000It would also seem that Putin is abiding by the rules of sovereignty, like he's not interfering in the West and its internal affairs because he could have really...
03:47:02.000I mean, he could go out there and say some radical stuff.
03:47:04.000He could go out there and be just, he could just generate propaganda.
03:47:10.000Then again, that would discredit any, if he were to go, so for example, if he were to go in there and say, here's the evidence that Nord Stream 2 was blown up by America, and here's the evidence that
03:47:21.000Whatever, you know, the deep state controls the government.
03:47:25.000But that, if he were to do that, it would discredit any of those narratives.
03:47:28.000So they have to be slipped in covertly.
03:47:30.000There can't be... He can't be seen holding the knife, so to speak.
03:50:23.000Show me the overlap of people that are watching sympathetically an interview with Vladimir Putin and would also be swayed by this argument.
03:51:09.000So I said this last night, I am supportive of Russia because in order for there to be regime change in America, there has to be pressure from outside and inside.
03:51:21.000Historically, that's when regime change occurs.
03:51:24.000In Russia, Iran, France, the United States, anywhere.
03:51:29.000The only way that you get regime change is if the United States is knocked down a peg.
03:51:35.000For economic reasons, security reasons, cultural reasons, political reasons.
03:51:43.000So that's why I support America's adversaries outright.
03:51:46.000That's why I'm kind of sympathetic to Russia and China and Iran and the BRICS.
03:51:52.000Because the more that they can create an alternative system and exert pressure on the United States,
03:51:58.000The closer the United States gets to some kind of calamity, where we can rise up.
03:52:04.000What's more, if that doesn't happen, it diminishes the power of the people in Washington who are our adversaries.
03:52:11.000The people that are jailing the capital rioters, they're literally the same people that are prosecuting the war in Ukraine, in many cases.
03:52:20.000So, I support both Russia and China, and I support
03:54:07.000And I'm pro-Russia and pro-China because I'm an American dissident.
03:54:12.000Tucker is not anti-Russia because he is a loyal servant of Washington, and he is anti-China for the same reason.
03:54:21.000So he goes to this interview as a class traitor to try to compel the American security state to back off of Russia so they could focus on China and maintain some power.
03:54:39.000So that's his angle, but he's still working for Washington.
03:54:42.000That's why he went and supported Malay.
03:56:17.000Honestly feel gross when listening to Vultures because it feels like such a fall from grace, not to put him down because I could listen to the old stuff and not flinch but after Donda it feels sad.
03:56:30.000It was jarring when I listened to the first listening party and the lyrics are just like, I want to fuck something, you know, one in the pink, one in the stink, all that kind of stuff.
03:56:46.000What happened to not swearing what happened to Christian lyrics and I wasn't the biggest fan I feel like a lot of the Christian stuff was You know the execution wasn't perfect But yeah, I feel exactly the same way it's like so what so what happened to that Are we just totally turning our back on that you're now just like a degenerate again Yeah, big letdown
03:58:10.000Hopefully we'll be making an announcement about that rather soon.
03:58:36.000Just got to get the D. You know, these things get harder and harder to put on as the years go by because I keep getting more and more radical.
04:04:23.000Yes, it was deeply unfair when they put me on the federal no-fly list, froze half a million dollars, banned me from payment processing, and stripped me of my income, and banned me from all social media, and subpoenaed me, and I had to pay quarter million dollars in legal fees.
04:08:46.000But he's gotta stop treating me badly.
04:08:51.000Because the thing is, I was always willing to talk to him, and then in around October, September 2022, he made up some convoluted excuse for why he was gonna blacklist me.
04:09:07.000Some guy who I don't even know anymore, I don't even talk to,
04:09:12.000Mass reported a friend of destiny's and so destiny said well for that reason I will never talk to Nick Fuentes again All right.
04:09:19.000I will not talk to him for a long time and Then when I got hooked up with Kanye, oh then that Prohibition was lifted then all of a sudden it was okay to talk to me again And I said well not so fast a month ago you don't want to talk to me because of some convoluted reason now that I'm
04:09:43.000Then, when Ye 24 wrapped up, and I was back in Chicago, then he put the prohibition back in place and said, oh, now I'm not going to talk to Nick ever again.
04:09:56.000Then, last summer, when I was on Fresh and Fit, and I had a huge audience, he just showed up.
04:10:03.000I was there, I was booked on the show for three days in a row, and after the first episode was huge, he just showed up, because he lives there, to do an impromptu debate.
04:10:12.000And suddenly, once again, the prohibition was lifted.
04:10:17.000And then he was going to show up to my next debate, somewhere else, in a different city.
04:10:26.000Like, everywhere I go to get my own press, and get my own publicity, you're gonna just follow me around, and leech off of it, and just kind of be a general pissant, and try to take the wind out of my sails, because that's what he's there to do.
04:10:46.000When he follows me around, it's not a debate series, he's there to just make me look bad, and he admitted as much.
04:10:53.000He did this years ago and he said, I can't let him talk to that many people without a fact check or whatever.
04:11:00.000And so it's literally just about this ideological thing where he's gotta come and just say, oh wait a second, aren't you a total freaking Nazi?
04:11:38.000You have all the opportunities in the world because you're a liberal.
04:11:42.000If you want to do a debate, I'm happy to do a debate.
04:11:45.000If you want to do a debate on your channel, I'll do a debate on your channel.
04:11:48.000You want to do it on my channel, I'll do it on my channel.
04:11:51.000I'm not gonna allow this where I can't get an interview anywhere without somebody to show up and just say, hey, fuck you, fuck you, you said this, you said that, you're a bad person.
04:12:00.000You know, who would tolerate something like this?
04:12:05.000So after I said that, he said, oh, well, I'm never talking to him again.
04:12:22.000And where it is mutually advantageous, I'm in favor of that.
04:12:25.000You know, if we want to come together and create content and it's for our audiences, we can both promote ourselves.
04:12:32.000You know, if we go, for example, if we go and do a debate, and that's what we commit to, and that's what we do, it's a big streaming event, everybody wins, I get to promote myself, he gets to promote himself, it's a big audience, we get to persuade people, we get to do the issues, we get to, you know, that's fine.
04:12:51.000But I'm not gonna like be harassed and stalked around where it's like everywhere I go he just pops up and it's like I should be able, excuse me, to do interviews.
04:13:00.000I should be able to conduct my own publicity.
04:13:04.000But he wants it to be only one way where it's only the only time he'll have a stream with me is when it hurts me and benefits him and if it ever benefits me in any way he doesn't want to do it.
04:13:17.000Like, if I were to go on his stream, it would benefit me, because I'd get in front of his audience, and he would also be in front of his audience.
04:13:24.000So that benefits me more than him, he won't do it.
04:13:27.000But if I have an interview scheduled, and he shows up, you know, that takes away from my interview, and it gives him another platform.
04:13:35.000So, you know, when it's like that, you know, that's just not... why would I sign up for that?
04:13:47.000Well, I don't even know if I'd say I'm happy I think he's just generally like a piece of shit but And I think we've realized that over time like one he doesn't know anything too.
04:13:57.000He's not that smart three He's like a despicable person so You know, I'd be willing to talk to him because it's good content, but I you know, I'm not gonna enjoy it My opinion of him has never been lower
04:14:11.000Andy Poll is sent $109, Lisa acts like she needs someone good for you to debate.
04:14:29.000You know, they bring on people that are half as influential, half as in-demand or requested, and whenever it's me, oh, well, you know, we gotta find the exact right person.
04:15:00.000It's like, I'm already one of the most censored people in the world, and when I go on a free speech platform, they're like, well, you cannot give your side unless we have- you're outnumbered 10 to 1, and they're all experts, and they have more airtime.
04:15:18.000It's like, okay, then like, forget it, you know?
04:15:23.000Don't you understand that if you have other opinions, you can be on YouTube, you can be on Twitter, you can be on Instagram, and you can reach as many people as you'd like, and you can use PayPal, and you can have a credit card processor, and you can make millions of dollars.
04:15:50.000I'm banned from most podcasts, even the ones that are sympathetic to me.
04:15:55.000They don't even like my name being uttered aloud.
04:15:58.000And then the mere idea that I would appear on one of these things God forbid and just like give my side of the story and they say no even on the even once in a blue moon when you can appear on a mainstream platform and it's a totally irregular thing it's a total miracle even then we have to assign somebody but not just anybody someone with tons of credibility and world expert and all this and they have to debate you
04:16:30.000Are people really that afraid of the opposing opinion?
04:16:37.000I can barely fund my operation with the tools at my disposal.
04:16:40.000Like, that's not good enough that I'm being drowned out by all the money and all the media in the world.
04:16:47.000Again, offhand chance, I do get a larger audience, and you gotta have somebody to just be, like, pushing the entire time in the opposite direction.
04:17:59.000I think that you're either open to it or you're not.
04:18:01.000I don't think that religion is one of these things where you can, like, do... I mean, of course the arguments help get somebody along, but I think people have to be open to it.
04:18:09.000I think a lot of Protestants are totally set in their ways.
04:18:15.000They have a deep affinity for it that you're not going to argue someone out of it.
04:18:22.000Um, so you have to kind of start there and say, I don't, I don't think, I think it's the wrong way to approach this to say, you know, if I talk to such and such a person, if I just say the words in the right combination, you know, they will change their faith.
04:18:39.000I think that faith comes from grace, which comes from God.
04:18:42.000And so it's not a question of, you know, our efforts.
04:18:46.000It's a question of how open people are to that grace.
04:18:51.000And, you know, the arguments can be a part of that, but it's really up to that person.
04:18:57.000And as far as good arguments go, well, I would just go back to the fact that Catholicism is the only one that makes any sense.
04:19:09.000From, uh, just in terms of what makes sense as a system, because, and I don't know, again, I don't know the theology of Seventh-day Adventists, I don't know all the different denominations, but the Catholic Church came first.
04:19:29.000You have Jesus, Jesus has his apostles, and he anoints Peter to be the leader of them.
04:20:53.000It's the one with apostolic succession.
04:20:56.000It's the one that has not been overcome by any other forces, you know, because you could say, well, the East Orthodox have apostolic succession, but they were overrun by Muslims.
04:21:07.000Do we really believe that Christ's Church would be overrun by communists and Muslims?
04:21:13.000And also, the East Orthodox doesn't have Peter.
04:21:16.000You know, Peter is in the Roman Church, so...
04:21:22.000And then you go from there, Roman Catholicism is the only church that has the unity that comes from one leader.
04:21:32.000And as a consequence, it's the only one that's coherent.
04:21:36.000The Catholic Church, protected from error, protected from the gates of hell, promulgates one doctrine that a billion plus are compelled to follow.
04:21:48.000And again, it's that church that has those four attributes.
04:22:40.000The oneness which comes from the fact that we have a church that is united and the unity proceeds from the oneness of the Pope.
04:22:49.000Meaning that, you know, if you have like in the East Orthodox, there's like five churches and they're debating it out and there's there's no clear leader with authority, you can promulgate different doctrines.
04:24:11.000Well, I hope the Holy Spirit tells me, but apparently the Holy Spirit is playing the telephone game, because the Holy Spirit is telling, and I don't mean to blaspheme the Holy Spirit, but I mean, you know,
04:24:22.000To follow this argument, it would follow then that the Holy Spirit is telling everybody a bunch of different things, because they're telling the Lutherans one thing, and it's telling...
04:24:32.000The Baptist's another thing, and it's telling the Catholics something else.
04:24:35.000It's telling the Mormons something altogether different.
04:24:38.000You know, so if the basis is like, oh, well, like, I'm gonna pick the right one, because, like, God is gonna tell me.
04:24:45.000It's like, well, people will disagree, okay?
04:24:48.000Naturally, people will disagree over time on these things.
04:24:53.000And that will give birth to radically different sects, which are going to be dividing all the time.
04:24:59.000And then it's like, okay, so I'm in an independent Baptist church of 50 people and this one is right because I think it is.
04:25:22.000You and Destiny are the most formidable and intelligent debaters of our generation, and it's a shame to miss out on a well-articulated clash between ideologies.
04:25:45.000Like, the guy has no deep background at all.
04:25:48.000John Dave Irving sent $3, John Dave Irving will debate you on Tim Pool.
04:25:52.000I'm off work for Malcolm X Day, so let's get it in motion.
04:25:59.000Smitty Jackson sent $20, I'm a huge supporter of you and your message and have sent you over $3,000 dollars since I started watching you 4 years ago.
04:26:08.000Shitting on me and calling me a liberal for not wanting to kill people for our betterment is complete bullshit.
04:26:13.000In our ideal future where we control the country, why not be isolationist?
04:29:42.000He took a map quiz, which shows a map of the United States of America, and asks you, it prompts you, to label the states with the names of the states.
04:30:07.000How can somebody have a serious debate about the Middle East and they don't know who Bashar al-Assad or Netanyahu or Erdogan or Arafat are?
04:30:25.000How can you talk about the Middle East if you thought that Arabs
04:30:28.000We're in the Levant in the 1st century.
04:30:32.000The 1st and 2nd century, which is what you'd have to believe if you think... or even before that if you think the Bible is written in Arabic.
04:30:41.000None of that is bad faith or out of context.
04:30:44.000The guy just doesn't know what he's talking about.
04:32:49.000He doesn't like you for being anti-semitic.
04:32:51.000Well, he's a Jew, so, I mean, that makes sense, but... I think he's good for apologetics.
04:32:55.000He's not red-pilled in any way, shape, or form, but he's good on Catholic apologetics.
04:33:01.000So... Alright, look, I gotta get... I'm still doing a whole other stream tonight, or at least I plan to.
04:33:07.000I don't even know... I mean, now I've been streaming for, like, a hundred hours.
04:33:11.000So my plan is to still go live uh you know at some point tonight to do my show but this stream has been four and a half hours this is a long stream so I gotta call it there if I'm gonna do a show but that is my plan I may cancel because I'm like tired right now but the plan is for me to come back at some point tonight and do a show so