America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - PUTIN x TUCKER Interview

00:00:29.000 We good to go.

00:00:43.000 Ladies and gentlemen, peace your eyes on the winner's dance.

00:00:46.000 But this is a different holy ground when I'm on the ground.

00:00:48.000 They hit me, they give me adrenaline.

00:00:50.000 The demons is making me sin again.

00:00:52.000 I need to change how I'm living and take too much money to get rid of them.

00:01:07.000 I need to finish my mission.

00:01:10.000 I need my kids to be Christian.

00:01:14.000 All of my hits to be hit.

00:01:16.000 All of my people they listen.

00:01:17.000 Who gon' come make us a difference?

00:01:19.000 You know I fit the description.

00:01:22.000 We gotta die for this.

00:01:24.000 Whole city finna ride for this. 0.97

00:01:25.000 Say a prayer, we need God for this.

00:01:27.000 And we still livin' marvelous.

00:01:29.000 Pray for people in the world for this.

00:01:31.000 And they make a new law for this.

00:01:32.000 Before we ever get caught for this. 0.99

00:01:34.000 Tryin' wanna fuck? 1.00

00:01:35.000 Whoa. 1.00

00:01:35.000 I'ma let her hop on some. 1.00

00:01:38.000 Tryin' wanna fuck? 1.00

00:01:39.000 Tryin' wanna fuck? 1.00

00:01:40.000 Tryin' wanna fuck? 1.00

00:01:42.000 Whoa. 1.00

00:01:43.000 I'ma let her hop on some. 1.00

00:01:45.000 Shit, I'm tryna fuck some right now. 1.00

00:01:46.000 Split this lil' G6. 1.00

00:01:47.000 Tryin' wanna fuck? 1.00

00:01:49.000 Whoa. 1.00

00:01:50.000 Shit, I'm tryna fuck somethin' right now, split this lil' GCS Everything that we want, I'm with Elon, must eat lunch I bought a new crib at the space station, I can park my rocket in the front And that money comin' in a bunch, I done had a feelin' and a hunch I'ma win whenever I say win, I got too much power in my tongue I got horsepower in the trunk, we too tough, they too tough 1.00

00:02:17.000 We good to go. 1.00

00:02:52.000 Time moving slow.

00:03:09.000 I'm good.

00:03:30.000 A lot.

00:03:31.000 Time, time moving slow.

00:03:34.000 I ain't tripping though.

00:03:37.000 I thought you had to know.

00:03:39.000 Time moving slow.

00:03:41.000 I just thought you had to know.

00:03:42.000 Time moving slow.

00:03:45.000 You are the only thing that felt like home.

00:03:48.000 How I thought I had it all.

00:03:53.000 Going through the messages that start on my phone.

00:03:57.000 Requests of life.

00:04:01.000 I'm not alone.

00:04:07.000 You are the only thing that felt like time moving slow.

00:04:12.000 Time moving slow.

00:04:15.000 Enjoy the time moving slow for you.

00:04:49.000 We're good.

00:05:06.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's real radio.

00:05:08.000 It's all good.

00:05:09.000 Don't need trip, for real.

00:05:34.000 Hey, hey, big record breaker over here.

00:05:36.000 Know that I could only play where you ain't. 1.00

00:05:53.000 Pussy like a step three straight water, baby. 1.00

00:06:11.000 We're good to go. 0.99

00:06:42.000 We good to go.

00:07:17.000 Let's go!

00:07:29.000 Your love is dangerous.

00:07:31.000 Your love is.

00:07:33.000 My love is.

00:07:34.000 Our love is.

00:07:35.000 You like to call me innocent.

00:07:38.000 Playing close, but she distant.

00:07:40.000 Nine men out of ten get addicted.

00:07:42.000 Yeah.

00:07:43.000 Part of my friend, she a little bit.

00:07:45.000 We had a sunset night on a sunstrip.

00:07:47.000 Had the seafood platter going redic.

00:07:49.000 Hurricane ice hurting.

00:07:51.000 Yeah, bloody soaking.

00:07:53.000 Her body like the wild, wild west. 0.98

00:08:03.000 We're good to go.

00:08:24.000 Hey, what's going on everybody?

00:08:30.000 It's me, Nick Fuentes.

00:08:32.000 Back here today on Thursday evening to cover the Tucker Carlson interview of Vladimir Putin, the Russian president.

00:08:42.000 And we're still waiting for it.

00:08:43.000 It should have dropped a few minutes ago, but I guess we can expect it any time now.

00:08:49.000 It's gonna be a fun stream.

00:08:50.000 It's apparently a two-hour interview.

00:08:53.000 Putin and Tucker exclusively on Twitter.

00:08:57.000 Dropping any minute.

00:08:59.000 So we'll be here.

00:09:00.000 We're gonna be watching the whole thing.

00:09:02.000 And this is gonna change the world.

00:09:05.000 Maybe it will shake the West to its very core.

00:09:08.000 At least that's what the media is saying.

00:09:11.000 So it's gonna be fun, but why don't you check in here.

00:09:14.000 If you're watching the stream, say what's up in the Rumble live chat.

00:09:17.000 Who's all in here?

00:09:19.000 Pop in in the live chat and just say hey.

00:09:22.000 Say hey.

00:09:23.000 Uh, you know.

00:09:27.000 Let me know who's all in here.

00:09:28.000 Who's watching this thing?

00:09:29.000 We got... Hang on, let me refresh the page.

00:09:37.000 We got TwitterSucks, we got TopGroper, MadGroper.

00:09:40.000 My live chat's bugging out though.

00:09:43.000 My live chat's not updating.

00:09:44.000 Am I live?

00:09:45.000 I think so, right?

00:09:53.000 There we go, okay.

00:09:54.000 Live chat was stuck there for a sec.

00:09:56.000 What's going on?

00:09:58.000 Okay, now you gotta say, say hey again.

00:10:00.000 If you said hey before, say hey again, because I... I missed it.

00:10:04.000 We got BenzClips, Beth, Vito Carlucci, PlantationGroiper, Spexo!

00:10:10.000 Hey, what's up, dude?

00:10:12.000 Arthur Friend.

00:10:13.000 What's going on?

00:10:14.000 That guy's a mod.

00:10:15.000 FishGroiper, he's always in here.

00:10:18.000 What's up, guys?

00:10:21.000 Yo, we got Brothers on?

00:10:24.000 Had the Vultures playlist.

00:10:26.000 Now we got a little Brothers from Love Everyone.

00:10:43.000 All right.

00:10:44.000 Yeah, who else in here?

00:10:45.000 We got everybody.

00:10:46.000 So this is a popping stream.

00:10:48.000 Everybody's in here.

00:10:49.000 Live chat's moving too fast.

00:10:51.000 I can barely read it.

00:10:52.000 Interviews on the website.

00:10:53.000 All right, here we go!

00:10:54.000 Let's go!

00:10:55.000 Let's start it up.

00:10:57.000 Let's get it.

00:10:57.000 Let's get it!

00:11:05.000 Alright, here we go.

00:11:07.000 Pausing the music.

00:11:08.000 Here we go!

00:11:11.000 Let's go!

00:11:11.000 Alright, are you guys excited?

00:11:14.000 This is hype.

00:11:15.000 We're about to dive in here.

00:11:17.000 This is exciting stuff.

00:11:23.000 So, Tucker Carlson interviewing Vladimir Putin in Moscow.

00:11:28.000 It's apparently not on X. I guess it's on the website.

00:11:31.000 So we are now on the website.

00:11:33.000 And here we go.

00:11:34.000 We're about to watch this.

00:11:35.000 You guys hype?

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00:11:42.000 Let's do it.

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00:11:44.000 And let's watch it.

00:11:45.000 Tap in!

00:11:46.000 It's time to tap in.

00:11:47.000 Because this is about to start.

00:11:49.000 This is going to be good stuff, man.

00:11:51.000 This is going to be some good stuff.

00:11:53.000 All right, here we go.

00:11:54.000 Lock It In, shot February 6, 2024, at about 7 p.m.

00:11:59.000 in the building behind us, which is, of course, the Kremlin.

00:12:02.000 The interview, as you will see if you watch it, is primarily about the war in progress, the war in Ukraine, how it started, what's happening, and most presently, how it might end.

00:12:12.000 One note before you watch.

00:12:14.000 At the beginning of the interview, we asked the most obvious question, which is, why did you do this?

00:12:18.000 Did you feel a threat, an imminent physical threat,

00:12:21.000 And that's your justification.

00:12:22.000 And the answer we got shocked us.

00:12:25.000 Putin went on for a very long time, probably half an hour, about the history of Russia going back to the 8th century.

00:12:33.000 And honestly, we thought this was a filibustering technique and found it annoying and interrupted him several times.

00:12:39.000 And he responded he was annoyed by the interruption.

00:12:43.000 But we concluded in the end, for what it's worth, that it was not a filibustering technique.

00:12:46.000 There was no time limit on the interview.

00:12:48.000 We ended it after more than two hours.

00:12:51.000 Instead, what you're about to see seemed to us sincere, whether you agree with it or not.

00:12:56.000 Vladimir Putin believes that Russia has a historic claim to parts of Western Ukraine.

00:13:03.000 He says Russia has an historic claim to Western Ukraine.

00:13:13.000 Does he mean Western or Eastern?

00:13:15.000 I'm just curious.

00:13:17.000 I guess we'll find out.

00:13:18.000 But of course, Western Ukraine would be Kiev and Odessa.

00:13:22.000 But right now, Russia is taking East. 0.94

00:13:26.000 Ethnically, linguistically, Russian part.

00:13:28.000 So that's a little interesting.

00:13:29.000 I wonder if that was an error or if Putin really wants all of Ukraine.

00:13:33.000 So we'll have to see, but that's interesting.

00:13:35.000 So I guess it was a little bit combative.

00:13:37.000 All right, but let's get into it.

00:13:38.000 President, thank you.

00:13:40.000 On February 22, 2022, you addressed your country in a nationwide address when the conflict in Ukraine started.

00:13:48.000 And you said that you were acting because you had come to the conclusion that the United States, through NATO, might initiate a, quote, surprise attack on our country.

00:14:01.000 And to American ears, that sounds paranoid.

00:14:03.000 Tell us why you believe the United States might strike Russia out of the blue.

00:14:08.000 How did you conclude that?

00:14:13.000 It's not that America, the United States, was going to launch a surprise strike on Russia.

00:14:19.000 I didn't say that.

00:14:21.000 Are we having a talk show or a serious conversation?

00:14:26.000 Here's the quote!

00:14:27.000 Thank you.

00:14:28.000 It's a formidable serious talk.

00:14:32.000 Because your basic education is in history as far as I understand.

00:14:38.000 Yes.

00:14:40.000 So, if you don't mind, I will take only 30 seconds or 1 minute to give you a short reference to history for giving you a little historical background.

00:14:49.000 Please!

00:14:53.000 Let's look where our relationship with Ukraine started from.

00:14:57.000 Where did Ukraine come from?

00:15:01.000 The Russian state started gathering itself as a centralized statehood, and it is considered to be the year of the establishment of the Russian state, in 862, when the townspeople of Novgorod invited a Varangian prince, Rurik, from Scandinavia to reign.

00:15:26.000 In 1862, Russia celebrated the 1000th anniversary of its statehood.

00:15:34.000 And in Novgorod, there is a memorial dedicated to the 1000th anniversary of the country.

00:15:41.000 In 882, Rurik's successor, Prince Oleg, who was actually playing the role of regent at Rurik's young son,

00:15:52.000 Because Uri had died by that time, came to Kiev.

00:15:55.000 He ousted two brothers who apparently had

00:16:05.000 Once being members of Rurik's squad.

00:16:10.000 So Russia began to develop with two centers of power, Kiev and Novgorod.

00:16:14.000 The next very significant date in the history of Russia was 988.

00:16:24.000 This was the baptism of Russia, when Prince Vladimir, the great-grandson of Rurik, baptized Russia and adopted Orthodoxy, or Eastern Christianity.

00:16:37.000 From this time the centralized Russian state began to strengthen.

00:16:41.000 Why?

00:16:42.000 Because of the single territory, integrated economic ties,

00:16:48.000 One and the same language and, after the baptism of Russia, the same faith and rule of the prince.

00:16:54.000 The centralized Russian state began to take shape.

00:16:59.000 Back in the Middle Ages, Prince Yaroslav the Wise introduced the order of succession to a throne.

00:17:09.000 But after he passed away, it became complicated for various reasons.

00:17:17.000 The throne was passed not directly from father to eldest son, but from the prince, who had passed away to his brother, then to his sons in different lines.

00:17:28.000 All this led to defragmentation and the end of Rus as a single state. 0.84

00:17:37.000 There was nothing special about it.

00:17:39.000 The same was happening then in Europe.

00:17:46.000 But the fragmented Russian state became an easy prey to the empire created earlier by Genghis Khan.

00:17:55.000 His successors, namely Batuhan, came to Rus, plundered and ruined nearly all the cities. 0.98

00:18:01.000 The southern part, including Kiev, by the way, and some other cities simply lost independence, while northern cities preserved some of their sovereignty.

00:18:13.000 They had to pay tribute to the Horde, but they managed to preserve some part of their sovereignty.

00:18:20.000 And then a unified Russian state began to take shape with its center in Moscow.

00:18:27.000 The southern part of Russian lands, including Kiev, began to gradually gravitate towards another magnet, the center that was emerging in Europe.

00:18:41.000 This was the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.

00:18:45.000 It was even called the Lithuanian Russian Duchy, because Russians were a significant part of this population.

00:18:52.000 They spoke the old Russian language and were Orthodox.

00:18:58.000 But then there was a unification, the union of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the Kingdom of Poland.

00:19:07.000 A few years later, another union was signed, but this time already in the religious sphere.

00:19:15.000 Some of the Orthodox priests became subordinate to the Pope.

00:19:18.000 Thus, these lands became part of the Polish-Lithuanian state.

00:19:27.000 During decades, the Poles were engaged in polonization of this part of the population. 0.98

00:19:33.000 They introduced a language there, tried to entrench the idea that this population was not exactly Russians, that because they lived on the fringe, they were Ukrainians.

00:19:47.000 Originally, the word Ukrainian meant that the person was living on the outskirts of the state, along the fringes, or was engaged in a border patrol service.

00:19:58.000 It didn't mean any particular ethnic group.

00:20:01.000 So the Poles were trying to 1.00

00:20:04.000 In every possible way to polonize this part of the Russian lands and actually treated it rather harshly, not to say cruelly.

00:20:13.000 All that led to the fact that this part of the Russian lands began to struggle for their rights.

00:20:19.000 They wrote letters to Warsaw demanding that their rights be observed and people be commissioned here, including to Kiev.

00:20:27.000 I beg your pardon, could you tell us what period?

00:20:29.000 I'm losing track of where in history we are.

00:20:32.000 The Polish oppression of Ukraine.

00:20:34.000 It was in the 13th century.

00:20:45.000 Now I will tell you what happened later and give the dates so that there is no confusion.

00:20:50.000 And in 1654, even a bit earlier,

00:21:01.000 The people who were in control of the authority over that part of the Russian lands addressed Warsaw, I repeat, demanding that they send them to rulers of Russian origin and Orthodox faith. 0.52

00:21:17.000 When Warsaw did not answer them, and in fact rejected their demands, they turned to Moscow, so that Moscow took them away.

00:21:27.000 So that you don't think that I'm inventing things.

00:21:38.000 I'll give you these documents.

00:21:40.000 Well, it doesn't sound like you're inventing and I'm not sure why it's relevant to what happened two years ago.

00:21:47.000 But still, these are documents from the archives, copies.

00:21:52.000 Here are the letters from Bogdan Khmelnitsky, the man who then controlled the power in this part of the Russian lands that is now called Ukraine.

00:22:03.000 He wrote to Warsaw demanding that their rights be upheld.

00:22:08.000 And after being refused, he began to write letters to Moscow, asking to take them under the strong hand of the Moscow Tsar.

00:22:17.000 There are copies of these documents.

00:22:19.000 I will leave them for your good memory.

00:22:21.000 There is a translation into Russian, you can translate it into English later.

00:22:26.000 Russia would not agree to admit them straight away, assuming that the war with Poland would start.

00:22:31.000 Nevertheless, in 1654, the Pan-Russian Assembly of top clergy and landowners, headed by the Tsar,

00:22:42.000 Which was the representative body of the power of the old Russian state, decided to include a part of the old Russian lands into Moscow Kingdom.

00:22:52.000 As expected, the war with Poland began.

00:22:57.000 It lasted 13 years and then, in 1654, a truce was concluded.

00:23:00.000 And 32 years later, I think, a peace treaty with Poland, which they called Eternal Peace, was signed.

00:23:14.000 And these lands, the whole left bank of Dnieper, including Kiev, went to Russia.

00:23:20.000 And the whole right bank of Dnieper remained in Poland.

00:23:25.000 Under the rule of Catherine the Great, Russia reclaimed all of its historical lands, including in the South and West.

00:23:34.000 This all lasted until the Revolution.

00:23:35.000 Before World War I,

00:23:39.000 Austrian General Staff relied on the ideas of Ukrainianization and started actively promoting the ideas of Ukraine and the Ukrainianization.

00:23:54.000 Their motive was obvious.

00:23:56.000 Just before World War I, they wanted to weaken the potential enemy and secure themselves favorable conditions in the border area.

00:24:04.000 So the idea which had emerged in Poland that people residing in that territory were allegedly not really Russians, but rather belonged to a special ethnic group, Ukrainians, started being propagated by the Austrian General Staff.

00:24:21.000 As far back as the 19th century, theorists calling for Ukrainian independence appeared.

00:24:29.000 All those, however, claim that Ukraine should have a very good relationship with Russia.

00:24:35.000 They insisted on that.

00:24:39.000 After the 1917 revolution, the Bolsheviks sought to restore the statehood and the civil war began, including the hostilities with Poland.

00:24:51.000 In 1921, peace with Poland was proclaimed, and under that treaty, the right bank of the Dnieper River once again was given back to Poland.

00:25:08.000 In 1939, after Poland cooperated with Hitler, it did collaborate with Hitler, you know, Hitler offered Poland peace and a treaty of friendship, an alliance demanding in return that Poland give back to Germany the so-called Danzig corridor, which connected the bulk of Germany with East Prussia and Königsberg.

00:25:35.000 After World War I, this territory was transferred to Poland, and instead of Danzig, a city of Gdansk emerged.

00:25:52.000 It's interesting that Putin just gave the history of Russia going back to the 9th century.

00:25:58.000 When does Tucker interrupt?

00:25:58.000 When it gets into Hitler.

00:26:24.000 And the origins of World War II.

00:26:26.000 Sort of strange, isn't it?

00:26:27.000 Isn't it bizarre that he let him talk all about the 9th century, the 10th century, 14th century, 17th century, World War I, the Revolution.

00:26:38.000 Now we start talking about Hitler and it's, wait, wait, wait, hang on a second, just a minute, why are we talking about this?

00:26:46.000 That's strange.

00:26:50.000 Why did we stop there, of all places, of all time?

00:26:54.000 I mean, you would say, hey, we're already 15 minutes into the history lesson.

00:27:00.000 We're 1,100 years into it.

00:27:03.000 Why do we hold up the hand at World War II, right?

00:27:06.000 Right as we're coming to the end.

00:27:08.000 Right as we're getting to the end.

00:27:09.000 It's sort of bizarre.

00:27:09.000 A little strange.

00:27:10.000 I'll tell you.

00:27:11.000 I'm coming to that.

00:27:12.000 This briefing is coming to an end.

00:27:13.000 It might be boring, but it explains many things.

00:27:14.000 I just don't know how it's relevant.

00:27:40.000 Good.

00:27:41.000 Good.

00:27:42.000 I'm so gratified that you appreciate that.

00:27:46.000 Thank you.

00:27:48.000 He's so awesome!

00:27:49.000 He's so awesome!

00:27:51.000 That's what a real leader looks like.

00:27:54.000 That's a real hero.

00:27:56.000 That's a real boss.

00:27:57.000 He has been the undisputed king of Russia for 24 years.

00:28:03.000 He's been the head of the largest country in the world for a quarter of a century.

00:28:08.000 That's a boss!

00:28:09.000 That's a boss right there. 0.99

00:28:10.000 That's how a boss talks.

00:28:11.000 He's not like some president who's in charge for eight years before they throw him out and he's got to deal with the media and Congress.

00:28:19.000 He has been the throne for a quarter of a century of Russia.

00:28:26.000 World War II, Poland collaborated with Hitler, and although it did not yield to Hitler's demands, it still participated in the partitioning of Czechoslovakia together with Hitler, as the Poles had not given the Danzig Corridor to Germany and went too far, pushing Hitler to start World War II by attacking them.

00:28:48.000 Why was it Poland against whom the war started on 1 September 1939?

00:28:54.000 Poland turned out to be uncompromising and Hitler had nothing to do but start implementing his plans with Poland. 0.70

00:29:03.000 By the way, the USSR, I have read some archived documents, behaved very honestly.

00:29:08.000 It asked Poland's permission to transit its troops through the Polish territory to help Czechoslovakia.

00:29:18.000 But the then Polish foreign minister said that if the Soviet planes flew over Poland, they would be downed over the territory of Poland.

00:29:27.000 But that doesn't matter.

00:29:29.000 What matters is that the war began, and Poland fell prey to the policies it had pursued against Czechoslovakia, as under the well-known Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.

00:29:40.000 Part of the territory, including Western Ukraine,

00:29:46.000 Russia, which was then named the USSR, regained its historical lands.

00:29:55.000 After the victory in the Great Patriotic War, as we call World War II, all those territories were ultimately enshrined as belonging to Russia.

00:30:05.000 Today USSR. 0.92

00:30:09.000 As for Poland, it received, apparently in compensation, the lands which had originally been German.

00:30:16.000 The eastern parts of Germany.

00:30:23.000 These are now western lands of Poland.

00:30:28.000 Of course, Poland regained access to the Baltic Sea and Danzig.

00:30:34.000 which was once again given its Polish name.

00:30:38.000 So, this was how this situation developed.

00:30:44.000 In 1922, when the USSR was being established, the Bolsheviks started building the USSR and established the Soviet Ukraine, which had never existed before.

00:31:00.000 Stalin insisted that those republics be included in the USSR as autonomous entities.

00:31:11.000 For some inexplicable reason, Lenin, the founder of the Soviet state, insisted that they be entitled to withdraw from the USSR.

00:31:21.000 And, again, for some unknown reasons, he transferred to that newly established Soviet Republic of Ukraine some of the lands together with people living there, even though those lands had never been called Ukraine, and yet they were made part of that Soviet Republic of Ukraine.

00:31:40.000 Those lands included the Black Sea region, which was received under Catherine the Great, and which had no historical connection with Ukraine whatsoever.

00:31:51.000 Even if we go as far back as 1654, when these lands returned to Russian Empire, that territory was the size of 3-4 regions of modern Ukraine, with no Black Sea region.

00:32:04.000 That was completely out of the question.

00:32:07.000 In 1654?

00:32:10.000 Exactly.

00:32:10.000 You obviously have encyclopedic knowledge of this region, but why didn't you make this case for the first 22 years as president that Ukraine wasn't a real country?

00:32:27.000 The Soviet Union was given a great deal of territory that had never belonged to it, including the Black Sea region.

00:32:36.000 At some point, when Russia received them as an outcome of the Russo-Turkish wars, they were called New Russia or Novorossiya.

00:32:47.000 But that does not matter.

00:32:49.000 What matters is that Lenin, the founder of the Soviet state, established Ukraine that way.

00:33:04.000 So I think he said that he goes on for like a half hour like this.

00:33:07.000 For decades the Ukrainian Soviet Republic developed as part of the USSR.

00:33:14.000 And for unknown reasons, again, the Bolsheviks were engaged in Ukrainianization.

00:33:19.000 It was not merely because the Soviet leadership was composed to a great extent of those originating from Ukraine.

00:33:26.000 Rather, it was explained by the general policy of indigenization pursued by the Soviet Union.

00:33:33.000 Same things were done in other Soviet republics.

00:33:35.000 This involved promoting national languages and national cultures, which is not a bad in principle.

00:33:41.000 That is how the Soviet Ukraine was created. 0.58

00:33:44.000 After the World War II, Ukraine received, in addition to the lands that had belonged to Poland before the war, part of the lands that had previously belonged to Hungary and Romania.

00:33:55.000 So, Romania and Hungary had some of their lands taken away and given to the Soviet Ukraine, and they still remain part of Ukraine.

00:34:03.000 So, in this sense, we have every reason to affirm that Ukraine is an artificial state that was shaped at Stalin's will. 0.92

00:34:10.000 Do you believe Hungary has a right to take its land back from Ukraine?

00:34:13.000 And that other nations have a right to go back to their 1654 borders?

00:34:23.000 I'm not sure whether they should go back to the 1654 borders.

00:34:29.000 But given Stalin's time, so-called Stalin's regime, which, as many claim, saw numerous violations of human rights and violations of the rights of other states,

00:34:48.000 One may say that they could claim back those lands of theirs, while having no right to do that.

00:34:53.000 It is at least understandable.

00:34:55.000 Have you told Viktor Orban that he can have part of Ukraine?

00:35:03.000 Never.

00:35:04.000 I have never told him.

00:35:05.000 Not a single time.

00:35:10.000 We have not even had any conversation on that, but I actually know for sure that Hungarians who live there

00:35:19.000 Wanted to get back to their historical land.

00:35:24.000 Moreover, I would like to share a very interesting story with you.

00:35:27.000 I digress, it's a personal one.

00:35:33.000 Somewhere in the early 80s I went on a road trip in a car from then Leningrad across the Soviet Union through Kiev.

00:35:43.000 Made a stop in Kiev and then went to Western Ukraine.

00:35:48.000 I went to the town of Beregovoye.

00:35:51.000 In all the names of towns and villages there were in Russian and, in the language I did not understand, in Hungarian.

00:35:59.000 In Russian and in Hungarian.

00:36:02.000 Not in Ukrainian, in Russian and in Hungarian.

00:36:06.000 I was driving through some kind of village and there were men sitting next to the houses and they were wearing black three-piece suits and black cylinder hats.

00:36:16.000 I asked, are they some kind of entertainers?

00:36:19.000 I was told, no, they were not entertainers, they are Hungarians. 1.00

00:36:23.000 I said, what are they doing here?

00:36:25.000 What do you mean?

00:36:26.000 This is their land, they live here.

00:36:28.000 This was during the Soviet time, in the 1980s.

00:36:31.000 They preserve the Hungarian language, Hungarian names and all their national costumes.

00:36:37.000 They are Hungarians and they feel themselves to be Hungarians.

00:36:40.000 And of course, when now there is an infringement... Well, that is... And there's a lot of that, though.

00:36:46.000 I think many nations are upset about Transylvania as well, as you obviously know.

00:36:50.000 But many nations feel frustrated by the redrawn borders of the wars of the 20th century and wars going back a thousand years, the ones that you mentioned.

00:36:58.000 But...

00:36:59.000 The fact is that you didn't make this case in public until two years ago, February, and in the case that you made, which I read today, you explain at great length that you felt a physical threat from the West in NATO, including potentially a nuclear threat, and that's what got you to move.

00:37:16.000 Is that a fair characterization of what you said?

00:37:26.000 I understand that my long speeches probably fall outside of the genre of the interview.

00:37:31.000 That is why I asked you at the beginning.

00:37:35.000 Are we going to have a serious talk or a show?

00:37:38.000 You said a serious talk.

00:37:41.000 So, bear with me, please.

00:37:44.000 That seems so awesome, dude.

00:37:47.000 Just keeps striking him down.

00:37:49.000 So good. 1.00

00:37:50.000 Just spanking him. 0.98

00:37:52.000 Spanking... Because Tucker's like... Are you gonna tell Hungary they can get their land back? 1.00

00:37:59.000 What does this have to do with 2022?

00:38:01.000 Tucker's like Destiny. 1.00

00:38:03.000 And Putin's just like, shut up, bitch. 1.00

00:38:06.000 Just eat a Big Mac, buddy. 1.00

00:38:09.000 That's awesome.

00:38:11.000 Putin's right, though. 0.72

00:38:12.000 I think Putin's totally right.

00:38:16.000 About all of it.

00:38:18.000 I'll follow up a little bit if there's like a natural break and kind of inject what I'm thinking.

00:38:22.000 I just love, he just keeps smacking him down like that.

00:38:25.000 You work for Putin, buddy.

00:38:48.000 Thank you.

00:38:50.000 After all, the collapse of the Soviet Union was effectively initiated by the Russian leadership.

00:38:59.000 I do not understand what the Russian leadership was guided by at the time, but I suspect there were several reasons to think everything would be fine.

00:39:13.000 First, I think that then Russian leadership believed that the fundamentals of the relationship between Russia and Ukraine were, in fact, a common language.

00:39:23.000 More than 90% of the population there spoke Russian.

00:39:30.000 Family ties.

00:39:31.000 Every third person there had some kind of family or friendship ties.

00:39:36.000 Common culture.

00:39:37.000 Common history.

00:39:38.000 Finally, common faith.

00:39:40.000 Coexistence with a single state for centuries.

00:39:44.000 And deeply interconnected economies.

00:39:50.000 All of these were so fundamental.

00:39:53.000 All these elements together make our good relationships inevitable.

00:39:57.000 The second point is a very important one.

00:40:03.000 I want you as an American citizen and your viewers to hear about this as well.

00:40:10.000 The former Russian leadership assumed that the Soviet Union had ceased to exist, and therefore, there were no longer any ideological dividing lines.

00:40:22.000 Russia even agreed voluntarily and proactively to the collapse of the Soviet Union.

00:40:28.000 And believe that this would be understood by the so-called civilized West as an invitation for cooperation and association.

00:40:39.000 That is what Russia was expecting, both from the United States and the so-called collective West as a whole. 0.72

00:40:45.000 There were smart people, including in Germany, Egon Barr, a major politician of the Social Democratic Party, who insisted in his personal conversations with the Soviet leadership on the brink of the collapse of the Soviet Union, that a new security system should be established in Europe.

00:41:07.000 Help should be given to unify Germany, but a new system should be also established to include the United States, Canada, Russia and other Central European countries.

00:41:18.000 But NATO needs not to expand.

00:41:21.000 That's what he said.

00:41:22.000 If NATO expands, everything would be just the same as during the Cold War, only closer to Russia's borders.

00:41:31.000 That's all.

00:41:33.000 He was a wise old man, but no one listened to him.

00:41:37.000 In fact, he got angry once.

00:41:41.000 If, he said, you don't listen to me, I'm never setting my foot in Moscow once again.

00:41:48.000 Everything happened just as he had said.

00:41:51.000 Well, of course, it did come true, and you've mentioned this many times, I think it's a fair point, and many in America thought that relations between

00:42:00.000 That's totally wrong.

00:42:26.000 The reason that the West, well first of all, the West has feared China ever since Trump got elected.

00:42:34.000 And that is one of the things that the regime agreed with Trump about, actually, after the election, was that Trump took seriously the threat of China.

00:42:43.000 It also happened to be the case that that was a natural pivot that was already occurring.

00:42:47.000 It was Obama that initiated the pivot to the Pacific.

00:42:52.000 And that was as the Middle East wars were winding down.

00:42:55.000 It also happened to coincide with China becoming a world power.

00:43:02.000 had a large nuclear arsenal and a sophisticated conventional military.

00:43:07.000 So to say, why is it that the United States never took China seriously?

00:43:12.000 Well, Russia has always historically had the lead.

00:43:16.000 Well, I mean, not in the grand timeline, but for the past 100 years, Russia was the military threat. 0.86

00:43:25.000 Not China, not until last 10 or 15 years.

00:43:28.000 And policy, U.S.

00:43:30.000 policy has shifted accordingly, commensurate to the proportion of the threat.

00:43:35.000 It's only been recently that, relatively recently, that China has begun its military buildup and become a true world power now that it's building its Pacific fleet.

00:43:44.000 And the reason why the West fears strong Russia is because Russia wields the nuclear arsenal and the strong conventional military.

00:43:52.000 So...

00:43:55.000 But the thing is, Tucker is like a shill for the anti-China thing, like a lot of the other spooks, like Peter Thiel and...

00:44:05.000 Pompeo and Nikki Haley and the rest of them.

00:44:09.000 That's like, you know, a lot of these people think it's like based to be anti-China.

00:44:13.000 That's the government.

00:44:14.000 The security state is anti-China.

00:44:16.000 You know, like Alex Jones and Bannon say that it's the Chi-Coms and like that's the real woke position. 0.92

00:44:24.000 And when I say woke, I don't mean like left-wing.

00:44:26.000 I mean that's like the red-pilled position.

00:44:28.000 It's not Red Pill at all.

00:44:31.000 Nikki Haley and DeSantis are fighting with each other on the debate stage up until just a month ago about who is more anti-China.

00:44:39.000 And like I said, that is the one among maybe several others, but maybe the biggest thing, that the deep state agreed with Trump about.

00:44:49.000 The West is more afraid of strong China than of strong Russia.

00:45:00.000 The West is afraid of strong China more than it fears a strong Russia.

00:45:05.000 Because Russia has 150 million people, and China has 1.5 billion population, and its economy is growing by leaps and bounds, over 5% a year.

00:45:16.000 It used to be even more.

00:45:17.000 But that's enough for China. 0.87

00:45:19.000 As Bismarck once put it, potentials are the most important.

00:45:23.000 China's potential is enormous.

00:45:25.000 It is the biggest economy in the world today in terms of purchasing power parity and the size of the economy.

00:45:32.000 It has already overtaken the United States quite a long time ago, and it is growing at a rapid clip.

00:45:39.000 Let's not talk about who is afraid of whom.

00:45:41.000 Let's not reason in such terms.

00:45:43.000 And let's get into the fact that after 1991, when Russia expected that it would be welcomed into the brotherly family of civilized nations, nothing like this happened.

00:45:54.000 You tricked us.

00:45:55.000 I don't mean you personally when I say you.

00:45:57.000 Of course, I'm talking about the United States.

00:46:00.000 The promise was that NATO would not expand eastward.

00:46:03.000 But it happened five times.

00:46:05.000 There were five waves of expansion.

00:46:07.000 We tolerated all that.

00:46:08.000 We were trying to persuade them.

00:46:10.000 We were saying, please don't.

00:46:12.000 We are as bourgeois now as you are.

00:46:15.000 We are a market economy and there is no communist party power.

00:46:19.000 Let's negotiate.

00:46:20.000 Moreover, I have also said this publicly before.

00:46:23.000 There was a moment when

00:46:28.000 A certain rift started growing between us.

00:46:32.000 Before that Yeltsin came to the United States.

00:46:35.000 Remember?

00:46:36.000 He spoke in Congress and said the good words.

00:46:39.000 God bless America.

00:46:40.000 Everything he said were signals.

00:46:42.000 Let us in.

00:46:44.000 Remember the developments in Yugoslavia before the Yeltsin was lavished with praise?

00:46:49.000 As soon as the developments in Yugoslavia started, he raised his voice in support of Serbs, and we couldn't but raise our voices for Serbs in their defense.

00:46:58.000 I understand that there were complex processes underway there.

00:47:01.000 I do.

00:47:02.000 But Russia could not help raising its voice in support of Serbs, because Serbs are also a special and close to us nation.

00:47:09.000 With Orthodox culture and so on.

00:47:11.000 It's a nation that has suffered so much for generations.

00:47:14.000 Well, regardless, what is important is that Yeltsin expressed his support.

00:47:19.000 What did the United States do?

00:47:21.000 In violation of international law and the UN Charter, it started bombing Belgrade.

00:47:26.000 It was the United States that let the genie out of the bottle.

00:47:30.000 Moreover, when Russia protested and expressed its resentment at what was said, the UN Charter and international law have become obsolete.

00:47:41.000 Now everyone invokes international law, but at that time they started saying that everything was outdated, everything had to be changed.

00:47:49.000 Indeed, some things need to be changed.

00:47:51.000 As the balance of power has changed.

00:47:53.000 It's true.

00:47:54.000 But not in this manner.

00:47:56.000 Yeltsin was immediately dragged through the mud, accused of alcoholism, of understanding nothing, of knowing nothing.

00:48:03.000 He understood everything, I assure you.

00:48:06.000 Well, I became president in 2000.

00:48:10.000 I thought, okay, the Yugoslav issue is over, but we should try to restore relations.

00:48:16.000 Let's reopen the door that Russia had tried to go through. 0.84

00:48:20.000 And moreover, I said it publicly, I can't reiterate.

00:48:26.000 At a meeting here in the Kremlin with the outgoing President Bill Clinton, right here, in the next room, I said to him, I asked him, Bill, do you think if Russia asked to join NATO, do you think it would happen?

00:48:43.000 Suddenly, he said, you know, it's interesting, I think so.

00:48:47.000 But in the evening, when we met for dinner, he said, you know, I've talked to my team, no, no, it's not possible now.

00:48:59.000 You can ask him, I think he will watch our interview, he'll confirm it.

00:49:04.000 I wouldn't have said anything like that if it hadn't happened.

00:49:07.000 Okay, well, it's impossible now.

00:49:08.000 Were you sincere?

00:49:10.000 Would you have joined NATO?

00:49:14.000 Look, I asked the question, is it possible or not?

00:49:17.000 And the answer I got was no.

00:49:19.000 If I wasn't sincere in my desire to find out what the leadership position was... But if he had said yes, would you have joined NATO?

00:49:30.000 If he had said yes, the process of rapprochement would have commenced, and eventually it might have happened, if we had seen some sincere wish on the other side of our partners.

00:49:40.000 But it didn't happen.

00:49:42.000 Well, no means no.

00:49:43.000 Okay.

00:49:45.000 Fine.

00:49:45.000 Why do you think that is?

00:49:46.000 Just to get to motive.

00:49:47.000 I know you're clearly bitter about it.

00:49:49.000 I understand.

00:49:51.000 But why do you think the West rebuffed you then?

00:49:54.000 Why the hostility?

00:49:55.000 Why did the end of the Cold War not

00:49:59.000 You said I was bitter about the answer.

00:50:08.000 No, it's not bitterness.

00:50:10.000 It's just a statement of fact.

00:50:12.000 We're not bride and groom, bitterness, resentment.

00:50:16.000 It's not about those kind of matters in such circumstances.

00:50:20.000 We just realized we weren't welcome there, that's all.

00:50:23.000 Okay, fine.

00:50:25.000 But let's build relations in another manner, let's look for common ground elsewhere.

00:50:31.000 Why we received such a negative response, you should ask your leaders.

00:50:35.000 I can only guess why.

00:50:37.000 Too big a country with its own opinion and so on.

00:50:41.000 And the United States?

00:50:42.000 I've seen how issues are being resolved in NATO.

00:50:48.000 I will give you another example now concerning Ukraine.

00:50:52.000 The US leadership exerts pressure and all NATO members obediently vote, even if they do not like something.

00:51:02.000 Now, I'll tell you what happened in this regard with Ukraine in 2008, although it's being discussed.

00:51:08.000 I'm not going to open a secret to you, say anything new.

00:51:14.000 Nevertheless, after that we tried to build relations in different ways.

00:51:19.000 For example, the events in the Middle East, in Iraq.

00:51:23.000 We were building relations with the United States in a very soft, prudent, cautious manner.

00:51:30.000 I repeatedly raised the issue that the United States should not support separatism or terrorism in the North Caucasus.

00:51:39.000 But they continue to do it anyway.

00:51:42.000 And political support, information support, financial support, even military support came from the United States and its satellites for terrorist groups in the Caucasus.

00:51:55.000 I once raised this issue with my colleague, also the President of the United States.

00:52:00.000 He says, it's impossible, do you have proof?

00:52:03.000 I said yes.

00:52:05.000 I was prepared for this conversation, and I gave him that proof.

00:52:09.000 He looked at it, and you know what he said?

00:52:11.000 I apologize, but that's what happened.

00:52:14.000 I'll quote. 1.00

00:52:15.000 He says, well, I'm gonna kick their ass. 1.00

00:52:19.000 We waited and waited for some response. 1.00

00:52:22.000 There was no reply.

00:52:25.000 I said to the FSB director, write to the CIA, what is the result of the conversation with President.

00:52:32.000 He wrote once, twice, and then we got a reply.

00:52:36.000 We have the answer in the archive.

00:52:38.000 The CIA replied, we have been working with the opposition in Russia, we believe that this is the right thing to do, and we will keep on doing it. 0.64

00:52:48.000 Just ridiculous. 0.65

00:52:50.000 Well, okay. 0.95

00:52:51.000 We realized that it was out of the question.

00:52:54.000 Forces in opposition to you.

00:52:56.000 So you're saying the CIA is trying to overthrow your government?

00:52:58.000 Of course they meant in that particular case the separatists, the terrorists who fought with us in the Caucasus.

00:53:09.000 That's who they called the opposition.

00:53:10.000 This is the second point.

00:53:16.000 The third moment is a very important one.

00:53:19.000 It's the moment when the U.S. 0.87

00:53:20.000 missile defense system was created.

00:53:23.000 The beginning.

00:53:26.000 We persuaded for a long time not to do it in United States.

00:53:31.000 Moreover, after I was invited by Bush Jr.'

00:53:38.000 's father, Bush Sr., to visit his place on the ocean,

00:53:43.000 I had a very serious conversation with President Bush and his team.

00:53:48.000 I proposed that the United States, Russia and Europe jointly create a missile defense system that, we believe, if created unilaterally, threatens our security, despite the fact that the United States officially said that it was being created against missile threats from Iran.

00:54:07.000 That was the justification for the deployment of the missile defense system.

00:54:12.000 I suggested working together, Russia, the United States and Europe.

00:54:16.000 They said it was very interesting.

00:54:19.000 They asked me, are you serious?

00:54:22.000 I said, absolutely.

00:54:23.000 May I ask what year was this?

00:54:28.000 I don't remember.

00:54:30.000 It is easy to find out on the Internet when I was in the USA at the invitation of a Bush senior.

00:54:37.000 It is even easier to learn from someone I'm going to tell you about.

00:54:42.000 I was told it was very interesting.

00:54:44.000 I said, just imagine if we could tackle such a global strategic security challenge together.

00:54:51.000 The world will change.

00:54:52.000 We'll probably have disputes, probably economic and even political ones, but we could drastically change the situation in the world.

00:55:01.000 He says, yes, and asks, are you serious?

00:55:06.000 I said, of course.

00:55:07.000 We need to think about it, I'm told.

00:55:10.000 I said, go ahead, please.

00:55:12.000 Then Secretary of Defense Gates, former Director of CIA and Secretary of State Rice came in here, in this cabinet, right here, at this table.

00:55:22.000 They sat on this table.

00:55:24.000 Me, the foreign minister, the Russian defense minister on that side.

00:55:29.000 They said to me, yes, we have thought about it, we agree.

00:55:34.000 I said, thank God, great, but with some exceptions.

00:55:39.000 So twice you've described US presidents making decisions and then being undercut by their agency heads.

00:55:47.000 So it sounds like you're describing a system that's not run by the people who are elected, in your telling.

00:55:55.000 That's right.

00:55:56.000 That's right.

00:55:59.000 In the end, they just told us to get lost.

00:56:01.000 I'm not going to tell you the details, because I think it's incorrect.

00:56:05.000 After all, it was a confidential conversation.

00:56:09.000 But our proposal was declined.

00:56:10.000 That's a fact.

00:56:12.000 It was right then when I said, look, but then we will be forced to take countermeasures.

00:56:18.000 We will create such strike systems that will certainly overcome missile defense systems.

00:56:23.000 The answer was, we're not doing this against you and you do what you want, assuming that it is not against us, not against the United States.

00:56:32.000 I said, okay.

00:56:35.000 Very well.

00:56:36.000 That's the way it went.

00:56:37.000 And we created hypersonic systems with intercontinental range, and we continue to develop them.

00:56:43.000 We are now ahead of everyone, the United States and the other countries, in terms of the development of hypersonic strike systems, and we are improving them every day.

00:56:54.000 But it wasn't us.

00:56:56.000 We proposed to go the other way, and we were pushed back.

00:57:00.000 Now, about NATO's expansion to the east.

00:57:04.000 Well, we were promised no NATO to the east, not an inch to the east, as we were told.

00:57:09.000 And then what?

00:57:11.000 They said, well, it's not enshrined on paper, so we'll expand.

00:57:17.000 So there were five waves of expansion.

00:57:19.000 The Baltic states, the whole of Eastern Europe, and so on.

00:57:23.000 And now I come to the main thing.

00:57:26.000 They have come to do Ukraine, ultimately.

00:57:29.000 In 2008, at the summit in Bucharest, they declared that the doors for Ukraine and Georgia to join NATO were open.

00:57:37.000 Now about how decisions are made there.

00:57:40.000 Germany, France seem to be against it as well as some other European countries.

00:57:46.000 But then, as it turned out, later President Bush and he, such a tough guy, a tough politician, as I was told later, he exerted pressure on us and we had to agree. 0.95

00:57:58.000 It's ridiculous, it's like kindergarten. 0.96

00:58:01.000 Where are the guarantees? 0.98

00:58:03.000 What kindergarten is this?

00:58:05.000 What kind of people are these?

00:58:06.000 Who are they?

00:58:08.000 You see, they were pressed, they agreed.

00:58:12.000 And then they say, Ukraine won't be in the NATO, you know?

00:58:15.000 I say, I don't know.

00:58:17.000 I know you agreed in 2008.

00:58:20.000 Why won't you agree in the future?

00:58:23.000 Well, they pressed us then.

00:58:25.000 I say, why won't they press you tomorrow?

00:58:28.000 And you'll agree again?

00:58:28.000 Well, it's nonsensical.

00:58:32.000 Who's there to talk to?

00:58:33.000 I just don't understand.

00:58:35.000 We're ready to talk.

00:58:37.000 But with whom?

00:58:37.000 Where are the guarantees?

00:58:40.000 None.

00:58:41.000 So they started to develop the territory of Ukraine.

00:58:45.000 Whatever is there, I have told you, the background, how this territory developed, what kind of relations there were with Russia.

00:58:53.000 Every second or third person there has always had some ties with Russia.

00:58:58.000 And during the elections, in already independent, sovereign Ukraine, which gained its independence as a result of the Declaration of Independence, and by the way, it says that Ukraine is a neutral state, and in 2008, suddenly the doors or gates to NATO were opened to it.

00:59:16.000 Oh, come on! 0.99

00:59:17.000 This is not how we agreed.

00:59:21.000 Now, all the presidents that have come to power in Ukraine, they relied on electorate with a good attitude to Russia in one way or the other.

00:59:29.000 This is the southeast of Ukraine, this is a large number of people.

00:59:37.000 And it was very difficult to dissuade this electorate, which had a positive attitude towards Russia.

00:59:44.000 Viktor Yanukovych came to power, and how?

00:59:48.000 The first time he won after President Kuchma, they organized a third round, which is not provided for in the Constitution of Ukraine.

00:59:56.000 This is a coup d'etat.

00:59:58.000 Just imagine, someone in the United States wouldn't like the outcome.

01:00:02.000 In 2014?

01:00:06.000 Before that.

01:00:07.000 No, this was before that.

01:00:09.000 After President Kuchma, Viktor Yanukovych won the elections.

01:00:13.000 However, his opponents did not recognize that victory.

01:00:16.000 The U.S.

01:00:17.000 supported the opposition and the third round was scheduled.

01:00:20.000 What is this?

01:00:22.000 This is a coup.

01:00:23.000 The U.S.

01:00:24.000 supported it and the winner of the third round came to power.

01:00:28.000 Imagine if in the U.S.

01:00:30.000 something was not to someone's liking and the third round of election, which the U.S.

01:00:35.000 Constitution does not provide for, was organized.

01:00:39.000 Nonetheless, it was done in Ukraine.

01:00:41.000 Okay, Viktor Yushchenko, who was considered a pro-Western politician, came to power.

01:00:48.000 Fine.

01:00:49.000 We have built relations with him as well.

01:00:52.000 He came to Moscow with visits.

01:00:55.000 We visited Kiev.

01:00:57.000 I visited, too.

01:00:59.000 We met in an informal setting.

01:01:00.000 If he's pro-Western, so be it.

01:01:03.000 It's fine.

01:01:04.000 Let people do their job.

01:01:06.000 The situation should have developed inside independent Ukraine itself.

01:01:10.000 As a result of Kuchma's leadership, things got worse and Viktor Yanukovych came to power after all.

01:01:18.000 Maybe he wasn't the best president and politician.

01:01:21.000 I don't know.

01:01:22.000 I don't want to give assessments.

01:01:24.000 However, the issue of the association with the EU came up.

01:01:31.000 We have always been lenient to this.

01:01:33.000 Suit yourself.

01:01:34.000 But when we read through the Treaty of Association, it turned out to be a problem for us, since we had a free trade zone and open customs borders with Ukraine, which under this association had to open its borders for Europe, which could have led to flooding of our market.

01:01:53.000 We said, no, this is not going to work.

01:01:56.000 We shall close our borders with Ukraine then. 0.66

01:01:59.000 The customs borders, that is.

01:02:01.000 Yanukovych started to calculate how much Ukraine was going to gain, how much to lose, and said to his European partners, I need more time to think before signing.

01:02:11.000 The moment he said that, the opposition began to take destructive steps, which were supported by the West. 0.52

01:02:18.000 It all came down to Maidan and a coup in Ukraine.

01:02:22.000 So he did more trade with Russia than with the EU.

01:02:29.000 Of course.

01:02:30.000 It's not even the matter of trade value, although for the most part it is.

01:02:35.000 It is the matter of cooperation ties, which the entire Ukrainian economy was based on.

01:02:40.000 The cooperation ties between the enterprises were very close since the times of the Soviet Union.

01:02:47.000 One enterprise there used to produce components to be assembled both in Russia and Ukraine, and vice versa.

01:02:54.000 They used to be very close ties.

01:02:56.000 A coup d'etat was committed, although I shall not delve into details now, as I find doing it inappropriate, the US told us.

01:03:07.000 Calm Yanukovych down and we will calm the opposition.

01:03:11.000 Let the situation unfold in the scenario of a political settlement.

01:03:15.000 We said alright, agreed, let's do it this way.

01:03:19.000 As the Americans requested, Yanukovych did use neither the armed forces nor the police, yet the armed opposition committed a coup in Kiev.

01:03:30.000 What is that supposed to mean?

01:03:32.000 Who do you think you are?

01:03:34.000 I wanted to ask the then US leadership.

01:03:38.000 With the backing of whom?

01:03:43.000 With the backing of CIA, of course.

01:03:46.000 The organization you wanted to join back in the day, as I understand.

01:03:52.000 Let's go!

01:03:53.000 Dude, let's go! 1.00

01:03:55.000 God, his ass! 1.00

01:03:58.000 Well, who backed him? 1.00

01:04:00.000 The CIA, which you tried to join, bro.

01:04:07.000 What is that supposed to mean?

01:04:09.000 Who do you think you are?

01:04:11.000 I wanted to ask the then US leadership.

01:04:37.000 With the backing of whom?

01:04:38.000 With the backing of CIA, of course.

01:04:45.000 The organization you wanted to join back in the day, as I understand.

01:04:50.000 We should thank God they didn't let you in.

01:04:52.000 Although, it is a serious organization.

01:04:55.000 I understand.

01:04:57.000 My former vis-a-vis in the sense that I served in the First Main Directorate, so if you... Thank God they didn't let you in, he says.

01:05:07.000 He says, thank God they didn't let you in.

01:05:10.000 They're a serious organization.

01:05:12.000 That's awesome.

01:05:13.000 Dude, he's getting cooked, man.

01:05:15.000 He is getting cooked.

01:05:18.000 And Tucker's just got no affect.

01:05:20.000 He's got no reply.

01:05:22.000 He just got destroyed. 1.00

01:05:24.000 Do the fucking laugh again. 1.00

01:05:25.000 Why don't you try and do the laugh again, bitch? 1.00

01:05:28.000 This is Putin! 1.00

01:05:29.000 This is Russia! 1.00

01:05:30.000 Do the laugh again, you silly bitch. 1.00

01:05:33.000 That was awesome. 1.00

01:05:35.000 Just getting slapped around.

01:05:37.000 What is that supposed to mean?

01:05:39.000 Who do you think you are?

01:05:41.000 I wanted to ask the US leadership.

01:05:45.000 With the backing of whom?

01:05:51.000 With the backing of CIA, of course.

01:05:54.000 The organization you wanted to join back in the day, as I understand.

01:05:59.000 We should thank God they didn't let you in.

01:06:01.000 Although, it is a serious organization.

01:06:04.000 I understand.

01:06:06.000 My former vis-a-vis in the sense that I served in the First Main Directorate, Soviet Union's intelligence service.

01:06:13.000 They have always been our opponents.

01:06:15.000 A job is a job.

01:06:20.000 Technically, they did everything right.

01:06:22.000 They achieved their goal of changing the government.

01:06:25.000 However, from political standpoint, it was a colossal mistake.

01:06:30.000 Surely, it was political leadership's miscalculation.

01:06:32.000 They should have seen what it would evolve into.

01:06:38.000 So, in 2008, the doors of NATO were opened for Ukraine.

01:06:44.000 In 2014, there was a coup, they started persecuting those who did not accept the coup, and it was indeed a coup.

01:06:51.000 They created a threat to Crimea, which we had to take under our protection. 1.00

01:06:56.000 They launched the war in Donbass in 2014 with the use of aircraft and artillery against civilians.

01:07:03.000 This is when it all started.

01:07:06.000 There is a video of aircraft attacking Donetsk from above.

01:07:10.000 They launched a large-scale military operation, then another one.

01:07:16.000 When they failed, they started to prepare the next one.

01:07:19.000 All this against the background of military development of this territory and opening of NATO's doors.

01:07:30.000 How could we not express concern over what was happening?

01:07:34.000 From our side this would have been a culpable negligence.

01:07:38.000 That's what it would have been.

01:07:42.000 It's just that the US political leadership pushed us to the line we could not cross, because doing so could have ruined Russia itself.

01:07:54.000 Besides, we could not leave our brothers in faith, in fact, a part of Russian people in the face of this war machine.

01:08:18.000 Initially, it was the coup in Ukraine that provoked the conflict.

01:08:22.000 By the way, back then the representatives of three European countries – Germany, Poland and France – arrived.

01:08:30.000 They were the guarantors of the signed agreement between the government of Yanukovych and the opposition.

01:08:36.000 They signed it as guarantors.

01:08:39.000 Despite that, the opposition committed a coup and all these countries pretended that they didn't remember that they were guarantors of the peaceful settlement.

01:08:50.000 They just threw it in the stove right away and nobody recalls that.

01:08:55.000 I don't know if the US know anything about the agreement between the opposition and the authorities and its three guarantors who, instead of bringing this whole situation back in the political field, supported the coup.

01:09:09.000 Although it was meaningless, believe me.

01:09:12.000 Because President Yanukovych agreed to all conditions.

01:09:16.000 He was ready to hold an early election which he had no chance of winning, frankly speaking.

01:09:21.000 Everyone knew that.

01:09:23.000 Then why the coup?

01:09:25.000 Why the victims?

01:09:26.000 Why threatening Crimea?

01:09:28.000 Why launching an operation in Donbass?

01:09:31.000 This I do not understand.

01:09:33.000 That is exactly what the miscalculation is.

01:09:38.000 CIA did its job to complete the coup.

01:09:42.000 I think one of the Deputy Secretaries of State said that it cost a large sum of money, almost 5 billion.

01:09:49.000 But the political mistake was colossal.

01:09:53.000 Why would they have to do that?

01:09:55.000 All this could have been done legally, without victims, without military action, without losing Crimea.

01:10:02.000 We would have never considered to even lift a finger if it hadn't been for the bloody developments on Maidan.

01:10:11.000 Because we agreed with the fact that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, our borders should be along the borders of former Union's republics.

01:10:19.000 We agreed to that.

01:10:21.000 But we never agreed to NATO's expansion and, moreover, we never agreed that Ukraine would be in NATO.

01:10:31.000 We did not agree to NATO bases there without any discussion with us.

01:10:36.000 For decades we kept asking, don't do this, don't do that.

01:10:43.000 And what triggered the latest events?

01:10:46.000 Firstly, the current Ukrainian leadership declared that it would not implement the Minsk agreements, which had been signed, as you know, after the events of 2014 in Minsk, where the plan of peaceful settlement in Donbass was set forth.

01:11:01.000 But no, the current Ukrainian leadership, foreign minister, all other officials and then president himself said that they don't like anything about the Minsk agreements.

01:11:15.000 In other words, they were not going to implement it.

01:11:20.000 A year or a year and a half ago, former leaders of Germany and France said openly to the whole world that they indeed signed the Minsk agreements, but they never intended to implement them.

01:11:32.000 They simply let us by the nose.

01:11:34.000 Was there anyone for you to talk to?

01:11:36.000 Did you call a U.S.

01:11:37.000 President, Secretary of State and say, if you keep militarizing Ukraine with NATO forces, this is going to get, this is going to be, we're going to act?

01:11:54.000 We talked about this all the time.

01:11:56.000 We addressed the United States and European countries' leadership to stop these developments immediately, to implement the Minsk agreements.

01:12:05.000 Frankly speaking, I didn't know how we were going to do this, but I was ready to implement them.

01:12:11.000 These agreements were complicated for Ukraine.

01:12:14.000 They included lots of elements of those Donbass territories' independence.

01:12:19.000 That's true.

01:12:20.000 However, I was absolutely confident, and I'm saying this to you now.

01:12:25.000 I honestly believe that if we managed to convince the residents of Donbass, and we had to work hard to convince them to return to the Ukrainian statehood, then, gradually, the wounds would start to heal.

01:12:39.000 When this part of territory reintegrated itself into common social environment, when the pensions and social benefits were paid again, all the pieces would gradually fall into place.

01:12:53.000 No, nobody wanted that.

01:12:55.000 Everybody wanted to resolve the issue by military force only.

01:12:59.000 But we could not let that happen.

01:13:02.000 And the situation got to the point when the Ukrainian side announced, no, we will not do anything.

01:13:10.000 They also started preparing for military action.

01:13:12.000 It was they who started the war in 2014.

01:13:18.000 Our goal is to stop this war.

01:13:21.000 And we did not start this war in 2022.

01:13:24.000 This is an attempt to stop it.

01:13:26.000 Do you think you've stopped it now?

01:13:28.000 I mean, have you achieved your aims?

01:13:36.000 No, we haven't achieved our aims yet, because one of them is denazification.

01:13:43.000 This means the prohibition of all kinds of neo-Nazi movements.

01:13:47.000 This is one of the problems that we discussed during the negotiation process, which ended in Istanbul early this year.

01:14:00.000 And it was not our initiative, because we were told by the Europeans in particular that it was necessary to create conditions for the final signing of the documents.

01:14:12.000 My counterparts in France and Germany said,

01:14:17.000 How can you imagine them signing a treaty with a gun to their heads?

01:14:22.000 The troops should be pulled back from Kiev.

01:14:25.000 I said, all right.

01:14:27.000 We withdrew the troops from Kiev.

01:14:31.000 As soon as we pulled back our troops from Kiev, our Ukrainian negotiators immediately threw all our agreements reached in Istanbul into the bin.

01:14:42.000 And got prepared for a long-standing armed confrontation with the help of the United States and its satellites in Europe.

01:14:51.000 That is how the situation has developed.

01:14:54.000 And that is how it looks now.

01:14:58.000 But what is, pardon my English, what is denazification?

01:15:01.000 What would that mean?

01:15:01.000 Denazification.

01:15:10.000 That is what I want to talk about right now.

01:15:13.000 It is a very important issue.

01:15:16.000 De-nazification.

01:15:19.000 After gaining independence, Ukraine began to search as some western analyst... It's a lot of yapping, okay?

01:15:26.000 I just want to point out a lot of yapping.

01:15:31.000 Which is fine.

01:15:32.000 You know, we want to hear from the man himself.

01:15:35.000 But we're an hour in.

01:15:36.000 Tucker's not even really talking at all.

01:15:40.000 It's kind of just... Tucker said at the beginning that he initially thought it was a filibuster, but it turned out not to be, which, you know, I think all of this is... Like Putin said, it's not supposed to be blood sports.

01:15:55.000 It's not supposed to be political soap opera.

01:15:59.000 In the corner of the head, there is an identity.

01:16:26.000 And it came up with nothing better than to build this identity upon some false heroes who collaborated with Hitler. 0.58

01:16:39.000 I have already said that in the early 19th century, when the theorists of independence and sovereignty of Ukraine appeared, they assumed that an independent Ukraine should have very good relations with Russia.

01:16:57.000 But due to the historical development, those territories were part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Poland, where Ukrainians were persecuted and treated quite brutally as well as were subject to cruel behavior.

01:17:11.000 There were also attempts to destroy their identity.

01:17:23.000 All this remained in the memory of the people.

01:17:26.000 When World War II broke out, part of this extremely nationalist elite collaborated with Hitler, believing that he would bring them freedom.

01:17:39.000 The German troops, even the SS troops, made Hitler's collaborators do the dirtiest work of exterminating the Polish and Jewish population. 0.66

01:17:48.000 Hence this brutal massacre of the Polish and Jewish population, as well as the Russian population too.

01:18:01.000 This was led by the persons who are well-known.

01:18:04.000 Bandera, Shukhevich.

01:18:07.000 It was those people who were made national heroes.

01:18:10.000 That is the problem.

01:18:12.000 And we are constantly told that nationalism and neo-Nazism exist in other countries as well.

01:18:18.000 Yes, they are seedlings, but we uproot them.

01:18:21.000 And other countries fight against them.

01:18:25.000 But Ukraine is not the case.

01:18:27.000 These people have been made into national heroes in Ukraine.

01:18:30.000 Monuments to those people have been erected.

01:18:33.000 They are displayed on flags.

01:18:35.000 Their names are shouted by crowds that walk with torches, as it was in Nazi Germany.

01:18:40.000 These were people who exterminated Poles, Jews and Russians.

01:18:57.000 It is necessary to stop this practice and prevent the dissemination of this concept.

01:19:03.000 I say that Ukrainians are part of the one Russian people.

01:19:07.000 They say, no, we are a separate people.

01:19:10.000 Okay, fine.

01:19:12.000 If they consider themselves a separate people, they have the right to do so, but not on the basis of Nazism, the Nazi ideology.

01:19:21.000 Would you be satisfied with the territory that you have now?

01:19:31.000 I will finish answering the question.

01:19:34.000 You just asked a question about neo-nazism and denazification.

01:19:39.000 Look, the president of Ukraine visited Canada.

01:19:43.000 The story is well known.

01:19:45.000 Alright, you're just yapping.

01:19:46.000 It's not even charming anymore.

01:19:47.000 Now it's just like... Bruh, you're just yapping.

01:19:52.000 And the Nazi stuff is just lame and a fake justification.

01:20:01.000 I mean, I recognize there is an element of this Galician far-right.

01:20:07.000 So he's not wrong about that, but the idea that that is one of the primary or even secondary causes of the war, it just isn't.

01:20:17.000 It's about territory.

01:20:18.000 It's about NATO expansion.

01:20:21.000 It is about intermediate-range ballistic missiles.

01:20:28.000 It's about those things.

01:20:29.000 It is not about Nazi ideology.

01:20:32.000 I mean, let's just be honest.

01:20:34.000 So I mean, to me, that's just, that's a little extra that they're throwing in.

01:20:38.000 So I don't think it's particularly important, actually.

01:20:45.000 The Canadian Parliament introduced a man who, as the Speaker of the Parliament said, fought against the Russians during the World War II.

01:20:54.000 Well, who fought against the Russians during the World War II?

01:20:58.000 Hitler and his accomplices. 0.98

01:21:01.000 It turned out that this man served in the SS troops. 0.88

01:21:04.000 He personally killed Russians, Poles and Jews. 0.87

01:21:08.000 The SS troops consisted of Ukrainian nationalists who did this dirty work. 1.00

01:21:13.000 The President of Ukraine stood up with the entire Parliament of Canada and applauded this man.

01:21:20.000 How can this be imagined?

01:21:22.000 The President of Ukraine himself, by the way, is a Jew by nationality.

01:21:26.000 Listen to me.

01:21:27.000 Your question is very subtle.

01:21:52.000 Listen to me.

01:21:54.000 Your question is very subtle, and I can tell you what I think.

01:21:59.000 Do not take offense.

01:22:02.000 Of course.

01:22:03.000 This question appears to be subtle.

01:22:06.000 It is quite pesky.

01:22:13.000 You say Hitler has been dead for so many years, 80 years.

01:22:18.000 But his example lives on.

01:22:20.000 People who exterminated Jews, Russians and Poles are alive.

01:22:25.000 And the President, the current President of today's Ukraine, applauds him in the Canadian Parliament, gives a standing ovation.

01:22:34.000 Can we say that we have completely uprooted this ideology, if what we see is happening today?

01:22:41.000 But then they disavowed it.

01:22:42.000 Like the idea that the West is Nazis.

01:22:46.000 Give me a break. 0.99

01:22:49.000 Canada is controlled by Jews. 1.00

01:22:51.000 The United States is controlled by Jews. 1.00

01:22:53.000 Western Europe is controlled by Jews. 1.00

01:22:58.000 And homosexuality is tolerated. 1.00

01:23:04.000 And the lowest IQ, fat, ugly people 1.00

01:23:12.000 Are elevated in the society. 0.98

01:23:14.000 So how does it in any way shape or form resemble Nazi ideology?

01:23:19.000 If he says, well, you know, have they have they really repudiated or he says imputed Nazi ideology if they applauded this Galician general?

01:23:31.000 They did it by accident.

01:23:33.000 Give me a break.

01:23:34.000 This is just like Fox News tier.

01:23:35.000 This is like Sean Han- I was much more comfortable with the history lesson about the first 1,000 years of Russian history than this Sean Han, the Dinesh D'Souza.

01:23:47.000 Hey, though, Justin Trudeau wore blackface and they applauded a Galician officer.

01:23:52.000 Really, bruh? 1.00

01:23:55.000 This sucks. 0.97

01:23:56.000 I wish, bruh. 0.99

01:23:57.000 I wish they were... If they were applauding Nazis, hey, maybe I'd be happy. 0.90

01:24:03.000 I would be there.

01:24:04.000 Not that I am a Nazi, but I mean, you know, I'm the guy that says, hey, I love Hitler, and Holocaust was embellished, and there's a Jewish conspiracy. 0.82

01:24:14.000 They're not applauding me! 0.98

01:24:17.000 So, as a matter of fact, the Ukrainians want to kill me. 1.00

01:24:20.000 Right. 0.98

01:24:20.000 My question was a little more specific. 0.98

01:24:21.000 It was, of course, not a defense of

01:24:40.000 Nazis, Neo or otherwise.

01:24:41.000 It was a practical question.

01:24:43.000 You don't control the entire country.

01:24:44.000 You don't control Kiev.

01:24:45.000 You don't seem like you want to.

01:24:47.000 So how do you eliminate a culture or an ideology or feelings or a view of history in a country that you don't control?

01:24:56.000 What do you do about that?

01:25:05.000 You know, as strange as it may seem to you, during the negotiations in Istanbul we did agree that we have it all in writing, neo-Nazism would not be cultivated in Ukraine, including that it would be prohibited at the legislative level.

01:25:23.000 Mr. Carson, we agreed on that.

01:25:26.000 This, it turns out, can be done during the negotiation process.

01:25:30.000 And there's nothing humiliating for Ukraine as a modern civilized state.

01:25:35.000 Is any state allowed to promote Nazism? 0.82

01:25:39.000 It is not, is it?

01:25:40.000 That is it.

01:25:46.000 Will there be talks and why haven't there been talks about resolving the conflict in Ukraine?

01:25:52.000 Peace talks?

01:26:03.000 They have been.

01:26:04.000 They reached a very high stage of coordination of positions in a complex process, but still they were almost finalized.

01:26:13.000 But after we withdrew our troops from Kiev, as I have already said, the other side threw away all these agreements and obeyed the instructions of Western countries, European countries and the United States to fight Russia to the bitter end. 0.54

01:26:30.000 Moreover, the President of Ukraine has legislated a ban on negotiating with Russia.

01:26:36.000 He signed a decree forbidding everyone to negotiate with Russia.

01:26:42.000 But how are we going to negotiate if he forbade himself and everyone to do this?

01:26:49.000 We know that he is putting forward some ideas about this settlement.

01:26:52.000 But in order to agree on something, we need to have a dialogue.

01:26:57.000 Is that not right?

01:26:58.000 Well, but you wouldn't be speaking to the Ukrainian president, you'd be speaking to the American president.

01:27:03.000 When was the last time you spoke to Joe Biden?

01:27:06.000 I cannot remember when I talked to him.

01:27:09.000 I do not remember.

01:27:10.000 We can look it up.

01:27:11.000 You don't remember?

01:27:14.000 No.

01:27:14.000 Why?

01:27:15.000 Do I have to remember everything?

01:27:17.000 I have my own things to do.

01:27:19.000 I have domestic political affairs.

01:27:21.000 Well, he's funding the war that you're fighting, so I would think that would be memorable.

01:27:28.000 Well, yes, he funds, but I talked to him before the special military operation, of course.

01:27:33.000 And I said to him then, by the way, I will not go into details, I never do, but I said to him then, I believe that you are making a huge mistake of historic proportions by supporting everything that is happening there, in Ukraine, by pushing Russia away. 0.78

01:27:50.000 I told him, told him repeatedly, by the way.

01:27:53.000 I think that would be correct if I stop here.

01:27:56.000 What did he say?

01:28:00.000 Ask him, please.

01:28:01.000 It is easier for you.

01:28:03.000 You are a citizen of the United States.

01:28:05.000 Go and ask him.

01:28:06.000 It is not appropriate for me to comment on our conversation.

01:28:10.000 But you haven't spoken to him since before February of 2022.

01:28:13.000 No, we haven't spoken.

01:28:23.000 Certain contacts are being maintained, though.

01:28:25.000 Speaking of which,

01:28:29.000 Do you remember what I told you about my proposal to work together on a missile defense system?

01:28:35.000 Yes.

01:28:38.000 You can ask all of them.

01:28:40.000 All of them are safe and sound, thank God.

01:28:43.000 The former president, Condoleezza, is safe and sound, and I think Mr. Gates and the current director of the intelligence agency, Mr. Burns, the then ambassador to Russia, in my opinion, are very successful ambassadors.

01:28:59.000 They were all witnesses to these conversations.

01:29:02.000 Ask them.

01:29:04.000 Same here.

01:29:05.000 If you are interested in what Mr. President Biden responded to me, ask him.

01:29:11.000 At any rate, I'd talk to him about it.

01:29:13.000 I'm definitely interested, but from the outside, it seems like this could devolve or evolve into something that brings the entire world into conflict and could

01:29:24.000 Really?

01:29:29.000 That's the question? 0.91

01:29:38.000 Seems like we're headed towards a freaking nuclear war.

01:29:40.000 Why don't you call them up?

01:29:43.000 Do you think that's how these things work?

01:29:45.000 They're at war with each other.

01:29:47.000 People don't do that in like a high school relationship.

01:29:53.000 And there's a fight.

01:29:53.000 You don't pick up the phone.

01:29:54.000 You know, you don't send the first text.

01:29:57.000 You don't send a risky text.

01:30:00.000 But two heads of state of rival superpowers engaged.

01:30:05.000 What's there to work out?

01:30:06.000 It's very simple, I repeat.

01:30:08.000 We have contacts through various agencies.

01:30:30.000 I will tell you what we're saying on this matter and what we're conveying to the US leadership.

01:30:36.000 If you really want to stop fighting, you need to stop supplying weapons.

01:30:41.000 It will be over within a few weeks.

01:30:44.000 That's it.

01:30:45.000 And then we can agree on some terms.

01:30:47.000 Before you do that, stop.

01:30:51.000 What's easier?

01:30:52.000 Why would I call him?

01:30:54.000 What should I talk to him about?

01:30:56.000 Or beg him for what?

01:30:57.000 And what messages do you get back?

01:31:01.000 You're going to deliver such and such weapons to Ukraine?

01:31:05.000 Oh, I'm afraid, I'm afraid, please don't!

01:31:08.000 What is there to talk about?

01:31:10.000 Do you think NATO is worried about this becoming a global war or a nuclear conflict?

01:31:20.000 At least, that's what they're talking about.

01:31:22.000 And they're trying to intimidate their own population with an imaginary Russian threat. 0.88

01:31:29.000 This is an obvious fact.

01:31:31.000 And thinking people, not philistines, but thinking people, analysts, those who are engaged in real politics, just smart people, understand perfectly well that this is a fake.

01:31:44.000 They're trying to fuel the Russian threat. 0.94

01:31:46.000 The threat I think you're referring to is a Russian invasion of Poland, Latvia, expansionist behavior. 0.50

01:31:54.000 Can you imagine a scenario where you sent Russian troops to Poland?

01:32:03.000 Only in one case, if Poland attacks Russia.

01:32:06.000 Why?

01:32:07.000 Because we have no interest in Poland, Latvia or anywhere else.

01:32:12.000 Why would we do that?

01:32:13.000 We simply don't have any interest.

01:32:15.000 It's just threat mongering.

01:32:18.000 Well, the argument, I know you know this, is that, well, he invaded Ukraine, he has territorial aims across the continent, and you're saying unequivocally you don't.

01:32:37.000 It is absolutely out of the question.

01:32:40.000 You just don't have to be any kind of analyst.

01:32:43.000 It goes against common sense to get involved in some kind of a global war.

01:32:49.000 And a global war will bring all humanity to the brink of destruction.

01:32:54.000 It's obvious.

01:32:57.000 There are certainly means of deterrence.

01:33:00.000 They have been scaring everyone with us all along.

01:33:03.000 Tomorrow Russia will use tactical nuclear weapons.

01:33:07.000 Tomorrow Russia will use that. 0.77

01:33:09.000 No, the day after tomorrow.

01:33:12.000 So what?

01:33:15.000 In order to extort additional money from US taxpayers and European taxpayers in the confrontation with Russia in the Ukrainian theater of war.

01:33:26.000 The goal is to weaken Russia as much as possible. 0.96

01:33:33.000 This is a provocation, and a cheap provocation at that.

01:34:02.000 I do not understand why American soldiers should fight in Ukraine.

01:34:06.000 There are mercenaries from the United States there.

01:34:09.000 The bigger number of mercenaries comes from Poland, with mercenaries from the United States in second place, and mercenaries from Georgia in third place.

01:34:20.000 Well, if somebody has the desire to send regular troops, that would certainly bring humanity to the brink of very serious global conflict.

01:34:29.000 This is obvious.

01:34:32.000 Do the United States need this?

01:34:34.000 What for?

01:34:37.000 Thousands of miles away from your national territory.

01:34:42.000 Don't you have anything better to do?

01:34:45.000 You have issues on the border, issues with migration, issues with the national debt, more than 33 trillion dollars.

01:34:53.000 You have nothing better to do so you should fight in Ukraine?

01:34:59.000 Wouldn't it be better to negotiate with Russia? 0.94

01:35:02.000 Make an agreement, already understanding the situation that is developing today, realizing that Russia will fight for its interests to the end?

01:35:12.000 And realizing this, actually return to common sense, start respecting our country and its interests, and look for certain solutions?

01:35:22.000 It seems to me that this is much smarter and more rational.

01:35:26.000 Who blew up Nord Stream?

01:35:30.000 You for sure.

01:35:31.000 I was busy that day.

01:35:38.000 I did not blow up Nord Stream.

01:35:40.000 Thank you though.

01:35:44.000 You personally may have an alibi, but the CIA has no such alibi.

01:35:50.000 Did you have evidence that NATO or the CIA did it?

01:36:00.000 You know, I won't get into details, but people always say in such cases, look for someone who is interested.

01:36:08.000 But in this case, we should not only look for someone who is interested, but also for someone who has capabilities.

01:36:14.000 Because there may be many people interested, but not all of them are capable of sinking to the bottom of the Baltic Sea and carrying out this explosion.

01:36:24.000 These two components should be connected.

01:36:26.000 Who is interested, and who is capable of doing it?

01:36:29.000 But I'm confused.

01:36:30.000 I mean, that's the biggest act of industrial terrorism ever, and it's the largest emission of CO2 in history.

01:36:36.000 Okay, so if you had evidence, and presumably given your security services, your intel services, you would, that NATO, the US, CIA, the West, did this, why wouldn't you present it and win a propaganda victory?

01:36:55.000 In the war of propaganda, it is very difficult to defeat the United States, because the United States controls all the world's media and many European media.

01:37:05.000 The ultimate beneficiary of the biggest European media are American financial institutions.

01:37:11.000 Don't you know that?

01:37:13.000 So, it is possible to get involved in this work, but it is cost-prohibitive, so to speak.

01:37:20.000 We can simply shine the spotlight on our sources of information and we will not achieve results.

01:37:27.000 It is clear to the whole world what happened and even American analysts talk about it directly.

01:37:33.000 It's true.

01:37:33.000 Yes.

01:37:35.000 But here's a question you may be able to answer.

01:37:36.000 You worked in Germany, famously.

01:37:39.000 The Germans clearly know that their NATO partner did this.

01:37:43.000 But they, and it damaged their economy greatly, it may never recover.

01:37:48.000 Why are they being silent about it?

01:37:50.000 That's very confusing to me.

01:37:52.000 Why wouldn't the Germans say something about it?

01:37:59.000 This also confuses me.

01:38:01.000 But today's German leadership is guided by the interests of the collective West rather than its national interests.

01:38:08.000 Otherwise, it is difficult to explain the logic of their action or inaction.

01:38:13.000 After all, it is not only about Nord Stream 1 which was blown up and the Nord Stream 2 was damaged.

01:38:20.000 But one pipe is safe and sound and gas can be supplied to Europe through it.

01:38:26.000 But Germany does not open it.

01:38:28.000 We're ready, please.

01:38:32.000 There's another route through Poland, called Yamal-Europe, which also allows for a large flow.

01:38:39.000 Poland has closed it, but Poland packs from the German hand, it receives money from the pan-European funds, and Germany is the main donor to these pan-European funds.

01:38:50.000 Germany feeds Poland to a certain extent.

01:38:53.000 And they close their route to Germany.

01:38:56.000 Why?

01:38:57.000 I don't understand.

01:38:59.000 Ukraine to which the Germans supply weapons and give money.

01:39:04.000 Germany is the second sponsor of the United States in terms of financial aid to Ukraine.

01:39:11.000 There are two gas routes through Ukraine.

01:39:13.000 They simply closed one route.

01:39:15.000 The Ukrainians opened the second route and, please, get gas from Russia. 0.97

01:39:21.000 They do not open it.

01:39:23.000 Why don't the Germans say? 0.98

01:39:25.000 Look, guys, we give you money and weapons, open up the valve, please, let the gas from Russia pass through for us.

01:39:33.000 We're buying liquefied gas at exorbitant prices in Europe, which brings the level of our competitiveness and economy in general down to zero.

01:39:44.000 Do you want us to give you money?

01:39:46.000 Let us have the decent existence, make money for our economy, because this is where the money we give you comes from.

01:39:55.000 They refuse to do so.

01:39:56.000 Why?

01:39:58.000 Ask them.

01:39:59.000 That is what is like in their heads. 0.99

01:40:02.000 Those are highly incompetent people.

01:40:04.000 Well, maybe the world is breaking into two hemispheres, one with cheap energy, the other without.

01:40:10.000 And I want to ask you that.

01:40:11.000 If we're now a multipolar world, obviously we are.

01:40:14.000 Can you describe the blocks of alliances?

01:40:17.000 Who is in each side, do you think?

01:40:24.000 Listen, you have said that the world is breaking into two hemispheres.

01:40:29.000 A human brain is divided into two hemispheres.

01:40:34.000 One is responsible for one type of activities, the other one is more about creativity and so on.

01:40:41.000 But it is still one and the same head.

01:40:44.000 The world should be a single whole.

01:40:46.000 Security should be shared rather than meant for the golden billion.

01:40:52.000 That is the only scenario where the world could be stable, sustainable and predictable.

01:40:58.000 Until then, while the head is split in two parts, it is an illness, a serious adverse condition.

01:41:05.000 It is a period of severe disease that the world is going through now.

01:41:11.000 But I think that thanks to honest journalism, this work is akin to work of the doctors.

01:41:17.000 This could somehow be remedied.

01:41:19.000 Well, let's just give one example.

01:41:20.000 That's a good answer.

01:41:21.000 The U.S.

01:41:21.000 dollar, which has kind of united the world in a lot of ways.

01:41:25.000 Maybe not to your advantage, but certainly not.

01:41:27.000 Everyone in the chat is saying L. People are saying L, that's globalism.

01:41:32.000 I like that answer.

01:41:33.000 I think it's an interesting analogy.

01:41:38.000 Wow, you guys don't like Putin.

01:41:40.000 Is this because, uh, what do the Groypers think? 0.74

01:41:42.000 I feel like it's a lot of, like, rumble boomers in here don't like Putin. 0.90

01:41:47.000 What do the Groypers think?

01:41:48.000 People are saying Jew talk.

01:41:51.000 That's Jew talk, somebody says.

01:41:53.000 I don't think so.

01:41:55.000 I don't think so at all.

01:41:56.000 I think that, uh, I think there should be global stability and global security.

01:42:02.000 I don't think that's necessarily globalism.

01:42:05.000 Because globalism

01:42:08.000 Is the idea that you have no borders or that you have a global sovereign, which is not what he's saying.

01:42:14.000 He's talking about global cooperation as distinct and separate nationalities with sovereignty, which is what Russia is exerting right now.

01:42:28.000 So I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with that.

01:42:35.000 Do we have to be in a constant state of ideological or conflict or security competition for it not to be globalism?

01:42:45.000 I don't think so.

01:42:52.000 You know, to use the dollar as a tool of foreign policy struggle is one of the biggest strategic mistakes made by the US political leadership.

01:43:26.000 The dollar is the cornerstone of the United States' power.

01:43:31.000 I think everyone understands very well that no matter how many dollars are printed, they are quickly dispersed all over the world.

01:43:48.000 Inflation in the United States is minimal.

01:43:50.000 It's about 3 or 3.4 percent, which is, I think, totally acceptable for the US. 1.00

01:43:57.000 But they won't stop printing.

01:43:59.000 What does the debt of 33 trillion dollars tell us about?

01:44:03.000 It is about the emission.

01:44:12.000 Nevertheless, it is the main weapon used by the United States to preserve its power across the world.

01:44:18.000 As soon as the political leadership decided to use the US dollar as a tool of political struggle, a blow was dealt to this American power. 0.96

01:44:28.000 I would not like to use any strong language, but it is a stupid thing to do and a grave mistake. 0.96

01:44:42.000 Look at what is going on in the world. 0.95

01:44:45.000 Even the United States allies are now downsizing their dollar reserves.

01:44:49.000 Seeing this, everyone starts looking for ways to protect themselves.

01:44:54.000 But the fact that the United States applies restrictive measures to certain countries, such as placing restrictions on transactions, freezing assets, etc., causes great concern and sends a signal to the whole world.

01:45:08.000 Okay, hang on.

01:45:11.000 So I want to cut in here with some live commentary.

01:45:14.000 We're getting some very unfavorable reactions to this interview from our leading intellectuals of America First.

01:45:23.000 We have a take here from Richard Spencer.

01:45:27.000 Richard Spencer's reaction is the following.

01:45:30.000 He writes, The possibility I never considered was that this interview would be unfavorable towards Putin.

01:45:37.000 Who can take this tedious, passive-aggressive old man seriously?

01:45:44.000 Thoughts?

01:45:44.000 Press 1 if you agree, 2 if you disagree.

01:45:48.000 This is Richard Spencer's take. 0.68

01:45:51.000 He says that Putin is a tedious, passive-aggressive old man.

01:45:55.000 1 if you agree, 2 if you disagree.

01:45:58.000 That's Richard Spencer.

01:46:03.000 A lot of twos, a lot of people disagree.

01:46:05.000 Don't just glaze Putin, think about it critically, actually.

01:46:09.000 So a lot of twos, a lot of disagreement with this take.

01:46:14.000 Well, here's another one, alright?

01:46:16.000 Pause.

01:46:17.000 This is the take from Richard Hanania, the Asperger's incel.

01:46:23.000 He writes, I'm a Tucker interview with Putin.

01:46:28.000 I'm glad that we got to see this because it revealed how out of touch Putin is.

01:46:33.000 Tucker begins with a simple question of what the threat was on February 2022.

01:46:37.000 Putin's response spends half an hour on the entire history of Russia.

01:46:44.000 We're used to people in the Middle East talking like this, an obsession with deep history as the characteristic of cultures that fight wars that never end.

01:46:52.000 No one even in the Russian-speaking part of Ukraine wants to be part of Russia.

01:46:58.000 Modern people care about their own lives and freedom and want a vision of the future.

01:47:03.000 That's what Ukraine and the West offer, not endless lectures from a grumpy uncle on how Vlad Vladimirovich sent love letters to Svetlana the Elegant in 1207 and why this proves that Russians and Ukrainians are one people.

01:47:16.000 When talking about geopolitics, the deeper someone goes in history, the more disconnected they are from modern reality, and the less likely they are to be a rational actor who can be negotiated with.

01:47:27.000 Putin had arguments he could have started with about the U.S.

01:47:30.000 interfering in Russian affairs, but he's deranged enough to think that leading with a lecture on the history of Slavic people is how you sell a war in the 21st century.

01:47:41.000 One, if you agree.

01:47:43.000 Two, if you disagree with Richard Hanania.

01:47:45.000 That's the Richard Hanania take.

01:47:47.000 One, if you agree.

01:47:48.000 Two, if you disagree.

01:47:49.000 And we'll see, what is the reaction to that?

01:47:53.000 One, if you agree.

01:47:54.000 Two, if you disagree with Richard Hanania.

01:47:58.000 Everyone disagrees with this as well.

01:48:00.000 Everyone disagrees.

01:48:02.000 Glazing Putin.

01:48:04.000 I'll give my take at the very end of the interview.

01:48:07.000 I want to listen to the whole thing.

01:48:08.000 I want to give him a shot.

01:48:09.000 I want to give him a chance.

01:48:11.000 Because it's... The interview's two hours, seven minutes.

01:48:15.000 It hasn't even been two hours since it was published.

01:48:19.000 Lot of twos there. 1.00

01:48:19.000 Everyone disagrees. 1.00

01:48:22.000 And finally, last, certainly not least, Keith Woods.

01:48:27.000 Keith Woods writes the following.

01:48:30.000 Watching the Putin interview and just thinking what a missed opportunity it was for him, Tucker's audience is willing to hear an honest case based on national sovereignty and mutual respect, and instead get a long history lecture, a very abstract case for Russian revanchism, and boomer nonsense about the West being sympathetic to Nazism.

01:48:53.000 Three very different people coming from three very different places, but all negative.

01:48:58.000 Spencer is pro-NATO, pro-West, pro-Ukraine.

01:49:02.000 Hanania is more sympathetic to liberalism.

01:49:05.000 I don't know that he's necessarily drinking the Kool-Aid on Ukraine.

01:49:08.000 Keith Woods, very critical, very skeptical of NATO.

01:49:13.000 European Union in the West.

01:49:15.000 What if you agree?

01:49:16.000 Everyone agrees with that.

01:49:17.000 It's so funny. 0.99

01:49:18.000 They all shit on Putin, but everybody agrees with Keith. 0.99

01:49:22.000 I think Keith has a very reasonable take on this. 1.00

01:49:25.000 So everybody, a lot of ones in the chat near universal agreement with Keith.

01:49:34.000 Okay, one more.

01:49:35.000 Let's do one more.

01:49:37.000 James Kirkpatrick, who I'm a huge fan of.

01:49:40.000 He writes for VDare and a brilliant speaker.

01:49:43.000 This is the last one and then we'll continue on.

01:49:47.000 He writes, Putin's mistake is thinking a Western audience will know or care about the history of Eastern Europe.

01:49:54.000 The high IQ, politically influential population in this country is more likely to fall into hysteria over the history of Panem or Gilead than anything that actually happened.

01:50:07.000 So that's true.

01:50:09.000 A cynical take from VDare's James Kirkpatrick.

01:50:14.000 I think that's all the hot takes from my favorites.

01:50:21.000 Brant posted a selfie in the Vultures shirt, so you got that.

01:50:26.000 What else?

01:50:27.000 Indian Bronson! 1.00

01:50:30.000 Most reflexively, anti-Putin Americans are too young, too ignorant, and too low an attention span to get any of this. 0.99

01:50:37.000 Putin has been paying close attention for 30 years. 0.99

01:50:39.000 They barely remember pre-COVID.

01:50:41.000 Putin invokes Rurik and Yaroslav territories of the Polish-Lithuanian Duchy.

01:50:47.000 vs. the Mongols vs. Kievan Rus' regarding formation of ethnic identity before not just the Soviet Union but the Russian Empire.

01:50:55.000 Americans struggle to name the last 10 presidents sequentially.

01:50:59.000 Putin becomes emotionally labile about U.S.-sponsored governments which attacked Russians in South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

01:51:07.000 Americans once seriously considered for the presidency a man who scornfully viewed being asked about Uzbeki Becky Stan Stan as an unfair test of trivia facts.

01:51:18.000 Putin is not merely willing but eager to talk about the minutiae of agreements to resolve conflicts between Russia and Ukraine in 2014.

01:51:24.000 He thinks about the world in terms of official documents.

01:51:27.000 Americans live in a culture suffused by irony, innuendo, and meta-referential sarcasm. 0.95

01:51:34.000 That's such a dub.

01:51:37.000 I have no doubt Putin's view of Russian national integrity, to whatever extent it remains materially or politically viable, grants him even use of nuclear weapons.

01:51:45.000 American populism is currently engaged in surrender to transgenderism because it's champions endorses a beer company. 0.98

01:51:55.000 So, some critical, some supportive.

01:52:00.000 That's the view of Richard Spencer, Richard Hanadia, Keith Woods, James Kirkpatrick, and Indian Bronson.

01:52:06.000 Those are some people I follow.

01:52:08.000 Just a little survey on the timeline.

01:52:09.000 Very interesting.

01:52:11.000 And...

01:52:14.000 I don't know how I feel about it.

01:52:16.000 I actually have to think about it a little bit.

01:52:18.000 I tend to be sympathetic to what Keith Woods said, which is, and Richard Spencer as well, which is that this is very tedious.

01:52:28.000 And I think that this was an opportunity for a mass audience or a more conservative audience that watches Tucker Carlson, for a sympathetic audience in the West for what

01:52:43.000 Putin has to argue about this.

01:52:45.000 And I think that although it is true that all of this is very rich and profound and deep, it is kind of over everybody's head in the West.

01:52:59.000 And so, you know, you can say on the one hand that Putin is correct, mostly, and you could say that it's not tedious but thorough.

01:53:12.000 At the same time, you can also say that it fails the audience and misses the mark here because

01:53:21.000 They framed it in the beginning.

01:53:22.000 Putin said, is this a serious conversation or is this like your political show?

01:53:27.000 If you want a serious conversation, here's a dissertation.

01:53:32.000 Here's a thorough and serious and subtle treatment of the subject.

01:53:40.000 But I don't know that that was necessarily the best play here.

01:53:44.000 What is he trying to accomplish?

01:53:48.000 I think it's over the heads even of the American elite, let alone the base American population.

01:53:55.000 So, I think it's a good interview.

01:53:58.000 I think that it's insightful, but I don't know how many Americans will feel the same way.

01:54:05.000 I think it's over their heads.

01:54:06.000 I mean, it took an hour even to get into the modern conflict, and I don't even think he chose the most compelling arguments.

01:54:16.000 So, I mean, you can...

01:54:20.000 You can resent the fact that it's above everybody's heads, but it is.

01:54:25.000 That's just the reality.

01:54:28.000 Looks like Joe Biden is giving an address.

01:54:33.000 Let's take a look, see if we can pull that up.

01:54:36.000 Whoops!

01:54:37.000 I don't know what this is.

01:54:38.000 How did that get there?

01:54:39.000 I have no idea what this is.

01:54:42.000 Let's just get out of there real quick, because I'm super confused by what we just saw.

01:54:48.000 All right, so let's see.

01:54:49.000 Biden is about to speak.

01:54:53.000 So we're going to interrupt the Putin interview very quickly.

01:54:55.000 We'll see what the speech is even about.

01:55:02.000 We'll keep this open.

01:55:03.000 You got to let me know in the live chat when he goes live, okay?

01:55:06.000 And then we'll transition over to this.

01:55:13.000 Has this started yet?

01:55:14.000 You're supposed to start five minutes ago.

01:55:19.000 But it's about the special counsel.

01:55:21.000 Special counsel report released Thursday found evidence that President Biden willfully retained and shared highly classified information as a private citizen, including about military and foreign policy in Afghanistan, concluded criminal charges are not warranted.

01:55:37.000 So maybe the press conference is about that or something else.

01:55:45.000 I'm getting reports he's live.

01:55:46.000 Well, we're watching it right now.

01:55:47.000 He's not live.

01:55:53.000 What did we have here?

01:55:55.000 Until 2022, about 80% of Russian foreign trade transactions were made in US dollars and euros.

01:56:10.000 U.S.

01:56:10.000 dollars accounted for approximately 50% of our transactions with third countries, while currently it is down to 13%.

01:56:19.000 It wasn't us who banned the use of the U.S.

01:56:21.000 dollar.

01:56:27.000 We had no such intention.

01:56:29.000 It was decision of the United States to restrict our transactions in U.S.

01:56:33.000 dollars.

01:56:34.000 I think it is complete foolishness from the point of view of the interests of the United States itself and its taxpayers, as it damages the U.S.

01:56:43.000 economy, undermines the power of the United States across the world.

01:56:49.000 By the way, our transactions in yuan accounted for about 3%.

01:56:52.000 Today, 34% of our transactions are made in rubles, and about as much, a little over 34% in yuan.

01:57:06.000 Why did the United States do this?

01:57:09.000 My only guess is self-conceit.

01:57:12.000 They probably thought it would lead to full collapse, but nothing collapsed.

01:57:16.000 Moreover, other countries, including oil producers, are thinking of and already accepting payments for oil in yuan.

01:57:24.000 Do you even realize what is going on or not?

01:57:28.000 Does anyone in the United States realize this?

01:57:32.000 What are you doing?

01:57:34.000 You're cutting yourself off.

01:57:36.000 All experts say this.

01:57:40.000 Ask any intelligent and thinking person in the United States what the dollar means for the US.

01:57:48.000 You're killing it with your own hands.

01:57:50.000 I think that's a fair assessment.

01:57:52.000 The question is what comes next, and maybe you trade one colonial power for another much less sentimental and forgiving colonial power.

01:58:01.000 I mean, is the Brits, for example, in danger of being completely dominated by the Chinese, the Chinese economy, in a way that's not good for their sovereignty? 0.98

01:58:13.000 Do you worry about that?

01:58:18.000 We have heard those boogeyman stories before.

01:58:21.000 It is a boogeyman story.

01:58:24.000 We're neighbors with China. 0.83

01:58:26.000 You cannot choose neighbors just as you cannot choose close relatives.

01:58:31.000 We share a border of thousand kilometers with them.

01:58:34.000 This is number one.

01:58:36.000 Second, we have a centuries-long history of coexistence.

01:58:41.000 We're used to it.

01:58:42.000 Third, China's foreign policy philosophy is not aggressive.

01:58:47.000 Its idea is to always look for compromise, and we can see that.

01:58:53.000 The next point is as follows.

01:58:55.000 We are always told the same boogeyman's story.

01:58:59.000 And here it goes again.

01:59:01.000 Through an euphemistic form, but it is still the same boogeyman's story.

01:59:06.000 The cooperation with China keeps increasing.

01:59:09.000 The pace at which China's cooperation with Europe is growing is higher and greater than that of the growth of Chinese-Russian cooperation.

01:59:19.000 Ask Europeans, aren't they afraid? 0.74

01:59:21.000 They might be, I don't know.

01:59:23.000 But they are still trying to access China's market at all costs, especially now that they are facing economic problems.

01:59:33.000 Chinese businesses are also exploring the European market.

01:59:38.000 Do Chinese businesses have small presence in the United States?

01:59:42.000 Yes, the political decisions are such that they are trying to limit their cooperation with China.

01:59:48.000 It is to your own detriment, Mr. Tucker, that you are limiting cooperation with China.

01:59:53.000 You are hurting yourself.

01:59:56.000 It is a delicate matter, and there are no silver bullet solutions, just as it is with the dollar.

02:00:04.000 So, before introducing any illegitimate sanctions, illegitimate in terms of the Charter of the United Nations, one should think very carefully, for decision-makers this appears to be a problem.

02:00:21.000 So, you said a moment ago that the world would be a lot better if it weren't broken into competing alliances, if there was cooperation globally.

02:00:30.000 One of the reasons you don't have that is because the current American administration is dead set against you.

02:00:36.000 Do you think if there were a new administration after Joe Biden that you would be able to reestablish communication with the U.S.

02:00:44.000 government?

02:00:44.000 Or does it not matter who the president is?

02:00:53.000 I will tell you.

02:00:55.000 But let me finish the previous thought.

02:00:58.000 We, together with my colleague and friend, President Xi Jinping, set a goal to reach 200 billion dollars of mutual trade with China this year.

02:01:08.000 We have exceeded this level.

02:01:10.000 According to our figures, our bilateral trade with China totals already 230 billion, and the Chinese statistics says it is 240 billion dollars.

02:01:23.000 One more important thing.

02:01:24.000 Our trade is well balanced, mutually complementary in high-tech, energy, scientific research and development.

02:01:32.000 It is very balanced.

02:01:35.000 As for BRICS, where Russia took over the presidency this year, the BRICS countries are, by and large, developing very rapidly.

02:01:44.000 People are saying Biden is live.

02:01:46.000 Let's take a look.

02:01:47.000 Do we have it?

02:01:49.000 That's what they had on their hands with this document.

02:01:51.000 Not yet.

02:01:52.000 Okay.

02:01:56.000 Some are saying that maybe he is going to say that he won't run for re-election.

02:02:02.000 That's what some are saying, but I don't...

02:02:05.000 No, if that's true, obviously.

02:02:08.000 So we'll see.

02:02:11.000 The quote from one of those here... Stop punking me!

02:02:15.000 Everybody in the chat is saying that he's live.

02:02:17.000 You gotta let me know for real when he goes live.

02:02:20.000 Look, if memory serves me right, back in 1992 the share of the G7 countries in the world economy amounted to 47%, whereas in 2022 it was down to, I think, a little over 30%.

02:02:41.000 The BRICS countries accounted for only 16% in 1992.

02:02:46.000 But now their share is greater than that of the G7.

02:02:50.000 It has nothing to do with the events in Ukraine.

02:02:53.000 This is due to the trends of global development and world economy as I mentioned just now.

02:02:59.000 And this is inevitable.

02:03:01.000 This will keep happening.

02:03:03.000 It is like the rise of the sun.

02:03:06.000 You cannot prevent the sun from rising.

02:03:08.000 You have to adapt to it.

02:03:10.000 How do the United States adapt?

02:03:13.000 With the help of force, sanctions, pressure, bombings and use of armed forces.

02:03:21.000 This is about self-conceit.

02:03:23.000 Your political establishment does not understand that the world is changing under objective circumstances.

02:03:30.000 And in order to preserve your level, even if someone aspires, pardon me, to the level of dominance, you have to make the right decisions in a competent and timely manner.

02:03:42.000 Such brutal actions, including with regard to Russia, and, say, other countries, are counterproductive.

02:03:49.000 This is an obvious fact.

02:03:51.000 It has already become evident.

02:03:57.000 You just asked me if another leader comes and changes something.

02:04:01.000 It is not about the leader.

02:04:03.000 It is not about the personality of a particular person.

02:04:07.000 I had a very good relationship with, say, Bush.

02:04:11.000 I know that in the United States he was portrayed as some kind of a country boy who does not understand much.

02:04:20.000 I assure you that this is not the case.

02:04:22.000 I think he made a lot of mistakes with regard to

02:04:35.000 Okay, you have to tell me when he goes live, but for real, stop capping.

02:04:40.000 Everybody in the chat, Biden's live, he's not live.

02:04:42.000 Alright, someone in my group chats is gonna have to tell me.

02:04:45.000 Oh wait, no, here we go, okay.

02:04:47.000 Yeah, nice try.

02:04:48.000 Let me say a few things before I take your questions.

02:04:53.000 As you know, the special counsel released his findings today about their look into my handling of classified documents.

02:05:01.000 I was pleased to see he reached a firm conclusion.

02:05:05.000 that no charges should be brought against me in this case.

02:05:10.000 This was an exhaustive investigation going back more than 40 years, even in the 1970s when I was still a new United States Senator.

02:05:20.000 The special counsel acknowledged I cooperated completely

02:05:23.000 I did not throw up any roadblocks.

02:05:25.000 I sought no delays.

02:05:27.000 In fact, I was so determined to give the special counsel what he needed, I went forward with a five-hour in-person interview over two days on October the 8th and 9th of last year, even though Israel had just been attacked by Hamas on the 7th and I was very occupied.

02:05:44.000 I was in the middle of handling an international crisis.

02:05:47.000 I was especially pleased to see Special Counsel make clear the stark distinction and difference between this case and Mr. Trump's case.

02:05:56.000 Special Counsel wrote, and I quote, several material distinctions between Mr. Trump's case and Mr. Biden's are clear.

02:06:03.000 Continuing to quote, most notably, after giving multiple chances to return classified documents to avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite.

02:06:13.000 According to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for many months, he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about it.

02:06:24.000 In contrast, Mr. Biden turned in classified documents to the National Archives and the Department of Justice, consented to the search of multiple locations, including his home, sat for a voluntary interview, and in other ways cooperated with the investigation."

02:06:40.000 I've seen the headlines since the report was released about my willful retention of documents.

02:06:46.000 These assertions are not only misleading, they're just plain wrong.

02:06:50.000 On page 215, if you had a chance, I know it's a long, it's a thick document.

02:06:55.000 On page 215, the report of the special counsel found the exact opposite.

02:06:59.000 Here's what he wrote.

02:07:01.000 There is in fact a shortage of evidence that I willfully retain classified materials related to Afghanistan.

02:07:08.000 On page 12, the special counsel also wrote, for in other documents, the decision to decline criminal charges was straightforward.

02:07:16.000 The evidence suggests that Mr. Biden did not willfully retain these documents.

02:07:21.000 The evidence who said I did not willfully retain these documents.

02:07:25.000 In addition, I know there's some attention paid to some language in the report about my recollection of events.

02:07:31.000 There's even reference that I don't remember when my son died.

02:07:38.000 How in the hell dare he raise that? 0.99

02:07:41.000 Frankly, when I was asked the question, I thought to myself, it wasn't any of their damn business. 0.99

02:07:45.000 Let me tell you something. 0.95

02:07:48.000 Somebody would have commented, I wear, since the day he died, every single day, the rosary he got from Our Lady of... Every Memorial Day, we hold a service remembering him, attended by friends and family and the people who loved him.

02:08:05.000 I don't need anyone.

02:08:07.000 I don't need anyone to remind me when he passed away or passed away.

02:08:13.000 Simple truth is I sat for a five-hour interview over two days of events, going back 40 years.

02:08:19.000 The same time I was managing an international crisis, their task was to make a decision about whether to move forward with charges in this case.

02:08:27.000 That was their decision to make.

02:08:29.000 That's the council's decision to make.

02:08:31.000 That's his job.

02:08:33.000 And they decided not to move forward.

02:08:35.000 For any extraneous commentary, they don't know what they're talking about.

02:08:41.000 It has no place in this report.

02:08:42.000 The bottom line is the matter is now closed.

02:08:45.000 I'm going to continue what I've always focused on, my job of being President of the United States of America.

02:08:51.000 Thank you, and I'll take some questions.

02:08:53.000 President Biden, something the special counsel said in his report is that one of the reasons you were not charged is because, in his description, you are a well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory.

02:09:07.000 I'm well-meaning, and I'm an elderly man, and I know what the hell I'm doing.

02:09:11.000 I've been president, and I put this country back on its feet.

02:09:14.000 I don't need his recommendation.

02:09:15.000 How bad is your memory, and can you continue as president?

02:09:20.000 My memory is so bad, I can let you speak. 1.00

02:09:22.000 Get destroyed, Fox News bitch! 1.00

02:09:29.000 W- Hile Biden! 1.00

02:09:31.000 Dude, that's so awesome! 1.00

02:09:34.000 Get bitch slapped by the well-meaning old man. 1.00

02:09:39.000 My memory is not good. 1.00

02:09:42.000 My memory is fine.

02:09:44.000 My memory... Take a look at what I've done since I've become president. 1.00

02:09:47.000 I'm the president, bitch! 1.00

02:09:48.000 Shut up! 1.00

02:09:49.000 Yeah, I'm old! 1.00

02:09:51.000 But I know what I'm doing!

02:09:52.000 I guess I just forgot what was going on.

02:09:55.000 Mr. President, how are you going to persuade them?

02:09:58.000 Do you fear that this report is only going to fuel further concerns about your age?

02:10:03.000 Only by some of you.

02:10:05.000 Mr. President, you are under criminal liability today.

02:10:09.000 You take responsibility for at least being careless with classified material.

02:10:14.000 Why is it all these hot Asian girl reporters? 1.00

02:10:17.000 Damn, I gotta be president. 1.00

02:10:19.000 Why are they all Asian? 1.00

02:10:21.000 Damn, look at that one. 0.99

02:10:22.000 I take responsibility for not having seen exactly what my staff... W, great replacement? 0.99

02:10:30.000 If that's a great replacement... ...was doing.

02:10:32.000 W. It goes in and points out.

02:10:34.000 Things that appeared in my garage.

02:10:36.000 Things that came out of my home.

02:10:37.000 Things that were moved.

02:10:38.000 Were moved not by me, but my staff.

02:10:41.000 But my staff.

02:10:48.000 Mr. President!

02:10:49.000 Mr. President!

02:10:50.000 Mr. President!

02:10:51.000 Mr. President!

02:10:52.000 Mr. President!

02:10:53.000 Mr. President!

02:10:54.000 Mr. President!

02:10:55.000 Mr. President!

02:10:56.000 Mr. President!

02:10:57.000 Mr. President!

02:10:58.000 Mr. President!

02:10:59.000 Mr. President!

02:11:00.000 Mr. President!

02:11:01.000 Mr. President!

02:11:02.000 Mr. President!

02:11:03.000 Mr. President!

02:11:04.000 Mr. President!

02:11:05.000 Mr. President!

02:11:06.000 Mr. President!

02:11:07.000 Mr. President!

02:11:08.000 Mr. President!

02:11:09.000 Mr. President!

02:11:09.000 They express concerns about your mental acuity.

02:11:12.000 They say that you are too old.

02:11:13.000 Mr. President, in December, you told me that you believe there are many other Democrats who could defeat Donald Trump.

02:11:19.000 So why does it have to be you now?

02:11:21.000 What is your answer to that question?

02:11:24.000 Because I'm the most qualified person in this country to be President of the United States and finish the job I started.

02:11:34.000 I did not share classified information.

02:11:38.000 I did not share it.

02:11:39.000 With your ghostwriter.

02:11:40.000 With my ghostwriter.

02:11:40.000 I did not.

02:11:41.000 I guarantee you did not.

02:11:42.000 But the special counsel said it.

02:11:44.000 No, I did not say that.

02:11:45.000 Okay.

02:11:46.000 Mr. President, let me answer your question.

02:11:50.000 The fact of the matter is, what I didn't want repeated, I didn't want him to know, and I didn't read it to him, was I had written a long memorandum to President Obama, why we should not be in Afghanistan. 0.92

02:12:04.000 And it was of multiple pages.

02:12:06.000 And so what I was referring to, I said classified, I should have said it should be private, because it was a contact between the President and the Vice President, as to what was going on.

02:12:16.000 That's what he's referring to.

02:12:18.000 It was not classified information in that document.

02:12:21.000 That was not classified.

02:12:35.000 When you look back at this incident, is there anything you would do differently now?

02:12:39.000 And do you think that a special prosecutor should have been appointed in the first place in both of these cases?

02:12:45.000 First of all, what I would have done is oversee the transfer of the material that was in my office, in my offices.

02:12:55.000 I should have done that.

02:12:57.000 If I go back, I didn't have the responsibility of that, that was my staff was supposed to do that, and they referenced that in the report.

02:13:04.000 And my staff did not do it in a way that, for example, I didn't know how half the boxes got in my garage.

02:13:12.000 Until I found out, staff gathered them up, put them together, and took them to the garage in my home.

02:13:18.000 And all the stuff that was in my home was in filing cabinets that were either locked or able to be locked.

02:13:23.000 It was in my house.

02:13:24.000 It wasn't out in, like, in Mar-a-Lago, in a public place where... And none of it was high-classified.

02:13:30.000 Didn't have any of that red stuff on it.

02:13:32.000 You know what I mean?

02:13:32.000 Around the corners?

02:13:34.000 None of that.

02:13:35.000 And so I wish I had paid more attention to how the documents were being moved and where.

02:13:41.000 I thought they were being moved to the archives.

02:13:43.000 I thought all of it was being moved.

02:13:45.000 That's what I thought.

02:13:46.000 Now what was the last part of your question?

02:13:47.000 Whether a special counsel should have been appointed in this case and in the case of your rival president, former president.

02:13:53.000 I think a special counsel should have been appointed.

02:13:55.000 And the reason I think a special counsel should have been appointed

02:13:59.000 Is because I did not want to be in a position that they looked at Trump and weren't going to look at me.

02:14:04.000 Just like they looked at the Vice President.

02:14:06.000 And the fact is they made a firm conclusion.

02:14:09.000 I did not break the law.

02:14:11.000 Period.

02:14:12.000 Thank you all very, very much.

02:14:15.000 Another Biden victim.

02:14:17.000 You've just been listening to President Biden.

02:14:21.000 A hero.

02:14:22.000 A hero.

02:14:23.000 A champion against the state of Israel.

02:14:27.000 No, I'm kidding.

02:14:28.000 You know I don't actually like Biden.

02:14:29.000 I hope you do know that.

02:14:35.000 But he is funny.

02:14:36.000 Hey, listen here, Jack! 0.99

02:14:38.000 I'm not too old, dammit! 0.98

02:14:39.000 I'm the most qualified person to be President of the United States! 0.98

02:14:43.000 The fact of the matter is... Oh, here we go.

02:14:44.000 Maybe a little more?

02:14:47.000 Oh yeah, a little more.

02:14:52.000 I'm of the view, as you know, that the conduct of the response

02:15:03.000 In Gaza, in the Gaza Strip, has been over the top. 0.90

02:15:09.000 Let's go!

02:15:10.000 Get to Israel on notice.

02:15:16.000 As you know, initially, the President of Mexico, Sisi, did not want to open up the gate to allow humanitarian material to get in.

02:15:27.000 The President of Mexico?

02:15:30.000 Bruh, you mean Egypt?

02:15:32.000 I talked to him.

02:15:34.000 I convinced him to open the gate.

02:15:36.000 I talked to Bibi to open the gate on the Israeli side.

02:15:39.000 I've been pushing really hard, really hard to get humanitarian assistance. 0.99

02:15:44.000 We can't even ironically be fans because he's so retarded. 1.00

02:15:48.000 You can't even ironically shill for Biden. 0.98

02:15:50.000 He's like, hey, I'm not too old.

02:15:52.000 I haven't forgotten anything.

02:15:54.000 Anyway, I negotiated the deal between Israel and Mexico.

02:15:58.000 ...into Gaza.

02:15:58.000 There are a lot of innocent people who are starving, a lot of innocent people who are in trouble and dying.

02:16:04.000 And it's got to stop, number one.

02:16:07.000 Number two, I was also in the position that I'm the guy that made the case that we have to do much more to increase the amount of material going in.

02:16:17.000 Including fuel.

02:16:18.000 Including other items.

02:16:20.000 I've been on the phone with the Qataris.

02:16:21.000 I've been on the phone with the Egyptians.

02:16:23.000 I've been on the phone with the Saudis.

02:16:25.000 To get as much aid as we possibly can into Gaza.

02:16:30.000 There are innocent people, innocent women and children who are also in badly need of help.

02:16:35.000 And so that's what we're pushing.

02:16:36.000 And I'm pushing very hard now to deal with this hostage ceasefire.

02:16:41.000 Because, you know, I've been working tirelessly in this deal.

02:16:46.000 How can I say this without revealing it?

02:16:50.000 To lead to a sustained pause in the fighting, in the actions taking place in the Gaza Strip.

02:16:58.000 And because I think if we could get the delay for that, an initial delay, I think that we would be able to extend that

02:17:11.000 So that we could increase the prospect that this fighting in Gaza changes.

02:17:16.000 There's also negotiations.

02:17:19.000 You may recall, in the very beginning, right after, right before Hamas attacked, I was in contact with the Saudis and others to work out a deal where they would recognize Israel's right to exist, let them make them part of the Middle East, and recognize them fully in return for certain things that the United States would commit to do.

02:17:41.000 And the commitment that we were proposed to do related to two items.

02:17:46.000 I'm not going to go in detail, but one of them was to deal with the protection against their arch enemy to the northwest.

02:17:55.000 Northeast, I should say.

02:17:57.000 The second one, by providing ammunition and material for them to defend themselves.

02:18:03.000 Coincidentally, that's the time frame when this broke out.

02:18:07.000 I have no proof what I'm about to say.

02:18:09.000 But it's not unreasonable to suspect that the Hamas understood what was about to take place and wanted to break it up before it happened.

02:18:17.000 That's obvious.

02:18:25.000 Okay, alright, so that's your Biden statement.

02:18:30.000 This guy's out to lunch, man.

02:18:32.000 I mean, he obviously is not all the way there.

02:18:36.000 It's clear.

02:18:36.000 I think that he is on drugs some kind of Stimulant before he goes and does these press conferences because they all last about exactly the same amount of time I mean he was out here for 12 minutes and he's fallen apart by the end of it came out a little bit strong and

02:18:53.000 and by the end of it you could tell he's fading out and just doesn't I mean there were a few gaps there he didn't remember who the saint was that the rosary was dedicated to got Egypt and Mexico confused I don't even know how you get that one twisted he said the president of Mexico LCC

02:19:14.000 You're talking about Gaza, man.

02:19:16.000 I mean, that doesn't even make any sense.

02:19:18.000 Like, to mix those up doesn't even... in context doesn't even make any sense.

02:19:23.000 So... I think he'll... a lot of people suspect that he'll be replaced at the last minute.

02:19:29.000 I don't agree.

02:19:30.000 I think that he will be the nominee, contrary to what people have been speculating about for years.

02:19:36.000 So, anyway.

02:19:37.000 So that's the press conference on the special counsel with the documents.

02:19:42.000 Totally unfair.

02:19:44.000 And a major double standard, but that's that.

02:19:47.000 All right.

02:19:48.000 Let's get back to the Putin interview.

02:19:49.000 We got about a half hour left.

02:19:51.000 Listen, I know this is tedious.

02:19:53.000 I'll give some thoughts at the end, but I want to finish this out before I really give any takeaways.

02:20:02.000 I wish they would have subtitles.

02:20:03.000 It's very frustrating that they only have the live translation.

02:20:09.000 I wish they had... Usually they have the subtitles.

02:20:12.000 I think that's more...

02:20:16.000 I think it's a little bit more clear than when you get the translator talking over the original audio.

02:20:22.000 Russia too.

02:20:22.000 We'll finish this.

02:20:24.000 I told you about 2008 and the decision in Bucharest to open the NATO's doors to for Ukraine and so on.

02:20:32.000 That happened during his presidency.

02:20:35.000 He actually exercised pressure on the Europeans. 0.67

02:20:39.000 But in general, on a personal human level, I had a very good relationship with him.

02:20:44.000 He was no worse than any other American or Russian or European politician.

02:20:50.000 I assure you, he understood what he was doing as well as others.

02:20:55.000 I had such personal relationship with Trump as well.

02:21:01.000 It is not about the personality of the leader, it is about the elite's mindset.

02:21:09.000 If the idea of domination at any cost, based also on forceful actions, dominates the American society, nothing will change.

02:21:18.000 It will only get worse.

02:21:21.000 But if, in the end, one comes to the awareness that the world has been changing due to the abjective circumstances, and that one should be able to adapt to them in time, using the advantages that the US still has today, then perhaps something may change.

02:21:42.000 Look, China's economy has become the first economy in the world in purchasing power parity.

02:21:49.000 In terms of volume, it overtook the US a long time ago.

02:21:53.000 The USA comes second, then India, one and a half billion people, and then Japan, with Russia in the fifth place.

02:22:02.000 Russia was the first economy in Europe last year despite all the sanctions and restrictions.

02:22:08.000 Is it normal from your point of view?

02:22:11.000 Sanctions, restrictions, impossibility of payments in dollars, being cut off from swift services, sanctions against our ships carrying oil, sanctions against airplanes, sanctions in everything, everywhere.

02:22:29.000 The largest number of sanctions in the world which are applied are applied against Russia.

02:22:34.000 And we have become Europe's first economy during this time.

02:22:40.000 The tools that US uses don't work.

02:22:43.000 Well, one has to think about what to do.

02:22:47.000 If this realization comes to the ruling elites, then yes, then the first person of the state will act in anticipation of what the voters and the people who make decisions at various levels expect from this person.

02:23:01.000 Then maybe something will change.

02:23:04.000 You're describing two different systems.

02:23:05.000 You say the leader acts in the interest of the voters, but you also say these decisions are not made by the leader, they're made by the ruling classes.

02:23:13.000 You've run this country for so long, you've known all these American presidents.

02:23:16.000 What are those power centers in the United States, do you think?

02:23:21.000 Like, who actually makes the decisions?

02:23:24.000 I don't know.

02:23:32.000 He said the same thing that... Well, I'll let him respond, but... You know the answer to that question.

02:23:40.000 We know.

02:23:42.000 Kanye knows, and they all know.

02:23:46.000 It's like when they asked RFK Jr.

02:23:48.000 Dave Smith asked the Libertarian podcaster, said, what do you make of the Israeli influence?

02:23:53.000 And he said, I don't know anything about that.

02:23:55.000 Really?

02:23:56.000 Your father was killed by them.

02:23:58.000 You don't know anything about it?

02:23:59.000 Plex country.

02:24:01.000 Conservative on one hand, rapidly changing on the other.

02:24:05.000 It's not easy for us to sort it all out.

02:24:08.000 Who makes decisions in the elections?

02:24:11.000 Is it possible to understand this when each state has its own legislation?

02:24:15.000 Each state regulates itself?

02:24:18.000 Someone can be excluded from elections at the state level?

02:24:22.000 It is a two-stage electoral system.

02:24:24.000 It is very difficult for us to understand it.

02:24:28.000 Certainly, there are two parties that are dominant, the Republicans and the Democrats, and within this party system the centers that make decisions, that prepare decisions.

02:24:40.000 Then, look, why, in my opinion, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, such an erroneous, crude, completely unjustified policy of pressure was pursued against Russia?

02:24:52.000 After all, this is a policy of pressure.

02:24:55.000 NATO expansion, support for the separatists and Caucasus, creation of a missile defense system.

02:25:02.000 These are all elements of pressure.

02:25:04.000 Pressure, pressure, pressure.

02:25:08.000 Then, dragging Ukraine into NATO is all about pressure, pressure, pressure.

02:25:14.000 Why?

02:25:16.000 I think, among other things, because excessive production capacities were created.

02:25:23.000 During the confrontation with the Soviet Union, there were many centers created and specialists on the Soviet Union, who could not do anything else.

02:25:32.000 They convinced the political leadership that it is necessary to continue chiseling Russia, to try to break it up, to create on this territory several quasi-state entities and to subdue them in a divided form, to use their combined potential for the future struggle with China. 0.60

02:25:52.000 This is a mistake, including the excessive potential of those who worked for the confrontation with the Soviet Union.

02:26:00.000 It is necessary to get rid of this.

02:26:02.000 There should be new, fresh forces, people who look into the future and understand what is happening in the world.

02:26:10.000 Look at how Indonesia is developing.

02:26:13.000 600 million people.

02:26:15.000 Where can we get away from that?

02:26:16.000 Nowhere.

02:26:17.000 We just have to assume that Indonesia will enter, it is already in, the club of the world's leading economies, no matter who likes it or dislikes it.

02:26:28.000 Yes, we understand and are aware that in the United States, despite all the economic problems,

02:26:35.000 The situation is still normal with the economy growing decently.

02:26:40.000 The GDP is growing by 2.5% if I'm not mistaken.

02:26:46.000 But if we want to ensure the future, then we need to change our approach to what is changing.

02:26:51.000 As I already said, the world would nevertheless change, regardless of how the developments in Ukraine end.

02:26:58.000 The world is changing.

02:27:00.000 In the United States themselves, experts are writing that the United States are nonetheless gradually changing their position in the world.

02:27:09.000 It is your experts who write that.

02:27:11.000 I just read them.

02:27:13.000 The only question is how this would happen.

02:27:15.000 Painfully and quickly, or gently and gradually.

02:27:19.000 And this is written by people who are not anti-American.

02:27:23.000 They simply follow global development trends.

02:27:26.000 That's it.

02:27:28.000 And in order to assess them and change policies, we need people who think, look forward, can analyze and recommend certain decisions at the level of political leaders.

02:27:40.000 I just have to ask, you've said clearly that NATO expansion eastward is a violation of the promise you all made in 1990.

02:27:48.000 It's a threat to your country.

02:27:50.000 Right before you sent troops into Ukraine, the Vice President of the United States went to the Munich Security Conference and encouraged the President of Ukraine to join NATO.

02:27:59.000 Do you think that was an effort to provoke you into military action?

02:28:10.000 I repeat once again, we have repeatedly, repeatedly proposed to seek a solution to the problems that arose in Ukraine after 2014 coup d'etat through peaceful means.

02:28:23.000 But no one listened to us.

02:28:25.000 And moreover, the Ukrainian leaders who were under the complete U.S.

02:28:29.000 control suddenly declared that they would not comply with the Minsk agreements.

02:28:34.000 They disliked everything there and continued military activity in that territory.

02:28:47.000 And in parallel, that territory was being exploited by NATO military structures, under the guise of various personnel training and retraining centers.

02:28:58.000 They essentially began to create bases there, that's all.

02:29:03.000 Ukraine announced that the Russians were a non-titular nationality, while passing the laws that limit the rights of non-titular nationalities in Ukraine.

02:29:14.000 Ukraine, having received all these Southeastern territories as a gift from the Russian people, suddenly announced that the Russians were a non-titular nationality in that territory.

02:29:25.000 Is that normal?

02:29:30.000 All this put together led to the decision to end the war that neo-Nazis started in Ukraine in 2014.

02:29:39.000 Do you think Zelensky has the freedom to negotiate a settlement to this conflict?

02:29:50.000 I don't know the details, of course, it's difficult for me to judge.

02:29:55.000 But I believe he has, in any case, he used to have.

02:29:59.000 His father fought against the fascists, Nazis, during World War II.

02:30:04.000 I once talked to him about this.

02:30:06.000 I said, Volodya, what are you doing?

02:30:10.000 Why are you supporting neo-Nazis in Ukraine today, while your father fought against fascism?

02:30:16.000 He was a frontline soldier.

02:30:19.000 I will not tell you what he answered, this is a separate topic, and I think it's incorrect for me to do so.

02:30:25.000 But as to the freedom of choice, why not?

02:30:28.000 He came to power on the expectations of Ukrainian people that he would lead Ukraine to peace.

02:30:34.000 He talked about this.

02:30:36.000 It was thanks to this that he won the elections overwhelmingly.

02:30:41.000 But then, when he came to power, in my opinion, he realized two things.

02:30:46.000 Firstly, it is better not to clash with neo-Nazis and nationalists, because they are aggressive and very active.

02:30:54.000 You can expect anything from them.

02:30:56.000 And secondly, the US-led West supports them and will always support those who antagonize with Russia.

02:31:03.000 It is beneficial and safe.

02:31:05.000 So, he took the relevant position despite promising his people to end the war in Ukraine.

02:31:11.000 He deceived his voters.

02:31:13.000 But do you think at this point, as of February 2024, he has the latitude, the freedom, to speak with you in... The Nazi angle is so ineffective.

02:31:23.000 And to be fair, it has a bit of a different meaning for Russia because the...

02:31:32.000 Russian society was so affected by World War II since so many people died and it actually took place on Russian soil.

02:31:41.000 So it has a little bit of a different place in the Russian consciousness than it does in ours.

02:31:45.000 Especially because Germany and Russia are natural geopolitical foes.

02:31:51.000 So when Putin talks about Nazis, it does have a different meaning to them than it does to us.

02:32:02.000 And I don't know how much of that is pandering to a liberal Western sensibility and how much of it is his out-of-touchness with the West.

02:32:14.000 But when he says that it's a Nazi regime, he's of course referring to the threat posed to Russia by Germany even before the creation of the Nazi party.

02:32:28.000 And he's also even talking about the legacy of that today.

02:32:33.000 We're good to go.

02:32:54.000 I don't think so.

02:33:08.000 It's an imperial project to expand NATO.

02:33:12.000 It's an incursion and a provocation against Russia. 0.81

02:33:16.000 I mean, to me, I think that to talk about the CIA interventions on Russia's periphery and specifically in the Euromaidan, to me, that makes a lot more sense.

02:33:26.000 And the expansion of NATO, to me, those are the salient arguments

02:33:31.000 I don't think we need to get... I mean, it's helpful to go into the history of how Ukraine ethically is part of Russia.

02:33:38.000 I think that is helpful.

02:33:40.000 I think talking about Nazification, I don't know what the purpose of that is. 0.71

02:33:44.000 I don't know who that's supposed to appeal to.

02:33:47.000 So, that's the part that doesn't make any sense to me.

02:33:50.000 Someone says you underestimate how effective it is on the Russian population.

02:33:57.000 But this is for a Western audience.

02:34:00.000 This is

02:34:19.000 Nazism has a different place in their consciousness than it does in our consciousness.

02:34:23.000 That's why I'm saying it maybe makes sense for... That's what I'm saying.

02:34:26.000 It makes sense for Russia, but not for a Western audience.

02:34:30.000 ...or the world.

02:34:31.000 Can he do that, do you think?

02:34:38.000 Why not?

02:34:39.000 He considers himself head of state.

02:34:41.000 He won the elections.

02:34:43.000 Although we believe in Russia that the coup d'etat is the primary source of power for everything that happened after 2014.

02:34:52.000 And in this sense, even today government is flawed.

02:34:56.000 But he considers himself the president and he is recognized by the United States, all of Europe and practically the rest of the world in such a capacity.

02:35:05.000 Why not?

02:35:06.000 We can.

02:35:08.000 We negotiated with Ukraine and Istanbul.

02:35:11.000 We agreed.

02:35:12.000 He was aware of this.

02:35:14.000 Moreover, the negotiation group leader, Mr. Arhamiye is his last name, I believe still heads the faction of the ruling party, the party of the president in the Rada.

02:35:26.000 He still heads the presidential faction in the Rada, the country's parliament.

02:35:31.000 He still sits there.

02:35:33.000 He even put his preliminary signature on the document I am telling you about.

02:35:37.000 But then he publicly stated to the whole world, we were ready to sign this document, but Mr. Johnson, then the Prime Minister of Great Britain, came and dissuaded us from doing this, saying it was better to fight Russia.

02:35:53.000 They would give everything needed for us to return what was lost during the clashes with Russia.

02:35:58.000 And we agreed with this proposal.

02:36:00.000 Look, his statement has been published.

02:36:02.000 He said it publicly.

02:36:05.000 Can they return to this or not?

02:36:07.000 The question is, do they want it or not?

02:36:11.000 Further on, President of Ukraine issued a decree prohibiting negotiations with us.

02:36:17.000 Let him cancel that decree.

02:36:20.000 And that's it.

02:36:21.000 We have never refused negotiations, indeed.

02:36:25.000 We hear all the time, is Russia ready?

02:36:27.000 Yes, we have not refused.

02:36:30.000 It was them who publicly refused.

02:36:32.000 Well, let him cancel his decree and enter into negotiations.

02:36:37.000 We have never refused.

02:36:40.000 And the fact that they obey the demand or persuasion of Mr. Johnson, the former Prime Minister of Great Britain, seems ridiculous and very sad to me.

02:36:50.000 Because, as Mr. Arakamiya put it, we could have stopped those hostilities with war a year and a half ago already.

02:37:00.000 But the British persuaded us and we refused this.

02:37:04.000 Where is Mr. Johnson now?

02:37:06.000 And the war continues.

02:37:08.000 That's a good question.

02:37:10.000 Where do you think he is and why did he do that?

02:37:16.000 Hell knows.

02:37:18.000 I don't understand it myself.

02:37:21.000 There was a general starting point.

02:37:24.000 For some reason, everyone had the illusion that Russia could be defeated on the battlefield.

02:37:31.000 Because of arrogance, because of a pure heart, but not because of a great mind.

02:37:41.000 You've described the connection between Russia and Ukraine.

02:37:43.000 You've described Russia itself a couple of times as orthodox.

02:37:46.000 That's central to your understanding of Russia.

02:37:48.000 You said you're orthodox.

02:37:49.000 What does that mean for you?

02:37:52.000 You're a Christian leader by your own description.

02:37:57.000 So what effect does that have on you?

02:38:04.000 You know, as I already mentioned, in 988, Prince Vladimir himself was baptized following the example of his grandmother, Princess Olga.

02:38:16.000 Then he baptized his squad.

02:38:18.000 And then, gradually, over the course of several years, he baptized all the Rus'. 0.99

02:38:24.000 It was a lengthy process, from pagans to Christians. 0.80

02:38:28.000 It took many years.

02:38:29.000 But in the end, this orthodoxy, Eastern Christianity, deeply rooted itself in the consciousness of the Russian people.

02:38:40.000 When Russia expanded and absorbed other nations who profess Islam, Buddhism and Judaism, Russia has always been very loyal to those people who profess other religions.

02:38:52.000 This is her strength.

02:38:54.000 This is absolutely clear.

02:38:56.000 And the fact is that the main postulates, main values are very similar, not to say the same, in all world religions I've just mentioned, and which are the traditional religions of the Russian Federation, Russia.

02:39:12.000 By the way, Russian authorities were always very careful about the culture and religion of those people who came into the Russian Empire.

02:39:22.000 This, in my opinion, forms the basis of both security and stability of the Russian statehood.

02:39:29.000 All the peoples inhabiting Russia basically consider it their motherhood.

02:39:36.000 If, say, people move over to you or to Europe from Latin America,

02:39:41.000 An even clearer and more understandable example.

02:39:44.000 People come, but yet they have come to you or to European countries from their historical homeland.

02:39:52.000 And people who profess different religions in Russia consider Russia their motherland.

02:39:58.000 They have no other motherland.

02:40:02.000 We are together, this is one big family, and our traditional values are very similar.

02:40:09.000 I've just mentioned one big family, but everyone has his, her own family.

02:40:15.000 And this is the basis of our society.

02:40:19.000 And if we say that the motherland and the family are specifically connected with each other,

02:40:28.000 It is indeed the case, since it is impossible to ensure a normal future for our children and our families unless we ensure a normal, sustainable future for the entire country, for the motherland.

02:40:42.000 That is why patriotic sentiment is so strong in Russia.

02:40:49.000 The one way in which the religions are different is that Christianity is specifically a non-violent religion.

02:40:55.000 Jesus says, turn the other cheek, don't kill.

02:40:57.000 How can a leader, who has to kill, of any country, how can a leader be a Christian? 1.00

02:41:04.000 How do you reconcile that?

02:41:17.000 It is very easy.

02:41:19.000 When it comes to protecting oneself and one's family, one's homeland, we won't attack anyone.

02:41:25.000 When did the developments in Ukraine start?

02:41:33.000 Since the coup d'etat and the hostilities in Donbass began, that's when they started.

02:41:38.000 And we're protecting our people, ourselves, our homeland and our future.

02:41:46.000 As for religion in general, you know, it's not about external manifestations, it's not about going to church every day or banging your head on the floor.

02:42:02.000 It is in the heart.

02:42:04.000 And our culture is so human-oriented.

02:42:08.000 Dostoevsky, who was very well known in the West and the genius of Russian culture, Russian literature, spoke a lot about this, about the Russian soul.

02:42:18.000 After all, Western society is more pragmatic.

02:42:20.000 Russian people think more about the eternal, about moral values. 0.53

02:42:33.000 I don't know, maybe you won't agree with me, but Western culture is more pragmatic after all.

02:42:38.000 I'm not saying this is bad.

02:42:45.000 It makes it possible for today's golden billion to achieve good success in production, even in science and so on.

02:42:56.000 There's nothing wrong with that.

02:42:58.000 I'm just saying that we kind of look the same.

02:43:01.000 Do you see the supernatural at work as you look out across what's happening in the world now?

02:43:08.000 Do you see God at work?

02:43:09.000 Do you ever think to yourself, these are forces that are not human?

02:43:20.000 No, to be honest, I don't think so.

02:43:24.000 My opinion is that the development of the world community is in accordance with the inherent laws, and those laws are what they are.

02:43:35.000 It's always been this way in the history of mankind.

02:43:38.000 Some nations and countries rose, became stronger and more numerous, and then left the international stage, losing the status they had accustomed to.

02:43:51.000 There's probably no need for me to give examples, but we could start with the king Iskhan and horde conquerors, the Golden Horde, and then end with the Roman Empire.

02:44:02.000 It seems that there has never been anything like the Roman Empire in the history of mankind.

02:44:09.000 Nevertheless, the potential of the barbarians gradually grew, as did their population. 0.91

02:44:15.000 In general, the barbarians were getting stronger and begun to develop economically, as we would say today.

02:44:23.000 This eventually led to the collapse of the Roman Empire and the regime imposed by the Romans.

02:44:32.000 However, it took five centuries for the Roman Empire to fall apart.

02:44:36.000 The difference with what is happening now is that all the processes of change are happening at a much faster pace than in Roman times.

02:44:50.000 So when does the AI empire start, do you think?

02:44:58.000 That's a very interesting insinuation that he just made.

02:45:01.000 This eventually led to the collapse of the Roman Empire and the regime imposed by the Romans.

02:45:09.000 However, it took five centuries for the Roman Empire to fall apart.

02:45:13.000 The difference with what is happening now is that all the processes of change are happening at a much faster pace than in Roman times.

02:45:28.000 So, when does the AI empire start, do you think?

02:45:39.000 You're asking increasingly more complicated questions.

02:45:43.000 To answer them, you need to be an expert in big numbers, big data and AI.

02:45:49.000 Mankind is currently facing many threats.

02:45:52.000 Due to the genetic researches, it is now possible to create a superhuman, a specialized human being, a genetically engineered athlete, scientist, military man.

02:46:06.000 There are reports that Elon Musk has already had a chip implanted in the human brain in the USA.

02:46:11.000 What do you think of that?

02:46:20.000 Well, I think there's no stopping Elon Musk, he will do as he sees fit.

02:46:27.000 Nevertheless, you need to find some common ground with him, search for ways to persuade him.

02:46:34.000 I think he's a smart person, I truly believe he is.

02:46:38.000 So you need to reach an agreement with him because this process needs to be formalized and subjected to certain rules.

02:46:52.000 Humanity has to consider what is going to happen due to the newest development in genetics or in AI.

02:47:01.000 One can make an approximate prediction of what will happen.

02:47:04.000 Once mankind felt an existential threat coming from nuclear weapons,

02:47:15.000 All nuclear nations began to come to terms with one another since they realized the negligent use of nuclear weaponry could drive humanity to extinction.

02:47:24.000 It is impossible to stop research in genetics or AI today, just as it was impossible to stop the use of gunpowder back in the day.

02:47:39.000 But as soon as we realize that the threat comes from unbridled and uncontrolled development of AI, or genetics, or any other field, the time will come to reach an international agreement on how to regulate these things.

02:47:59.000 I appreciate all the time you've given us.

02:48:01.000 I'm just going to ask you one last question, and that's about someone who's very famous in the United States, probably not here, Evan Gershkowitz, who's the Wall Street Journal reporter.

02:48:10.000 He's 32, and he's been in prison for almost a year.

02:48:15.000 This is a huge story in the United States, and I just want to ask you directly, without getting into the details of it or your version of what happened, if as a sign of your decency,

02:48:24.000 You would be willing to release him to us and we'll bring him back to the United States?

02:48:37.000 We have done so many gestures of goodwill out of decency that I think we have run out of them.

02:48:51.000 We have never seen anyone reciprocate to us in a similar manner.

02:48:57.000 However, in theory, we can say that we do not rule out that we can do that, if our partners take reciprocal steps.

02:49:08.000 When I talk about the partners, I, first of all, refer to special services.

02:49:15.000 Special services are in contact with one another, they are talking about the matter in question.

02:49:23.000 There is no taboo to settle this issue.

02:49:26.000 We are willing to solve it.

02:49:29.000 But there are certain terms being discussed via special services channels.

02:49:33.000 I believe an agreement can be reached.

02:49:40.000 So, I mean, this stuff has happened for, obviously, centuries.

02:49:44.000 One country catches another spy within its borders, it trades it for one of its own intel guys in another country.

02:49:50.000 I think what makes this, and it's not my business, but what makes this difference is the guy's obviously not a spy, he's a kid.

02:49:56.000 And maybe he was breaking your law in some way, but he's not a super spy, and everybody knows that, and he's being held hostage in exchange, which is true.

02:50:03.000 With respect, it's true, and everyone knows it's true.

02:50:05.000 So maybe he's in a different category.

02:50:08.000 Maybe it's not fair to ask for, you know, somebody else in exchange for letting him out.

02:50:13.000 Maybe it degrades Russia to do that.

02:50:22.000 You know, you can give different interpretations to what constitutes a spy.

02:50:27.000 But there are certain things provided by law.

02:50:31.000 If person gets secret information and does that in conspiratorial manner, then this is a qualified as espionage.

02:50:39.000 And that is exactly what he was doing.

02:50:42.000 He was receiving classified, confidential information, and he did it covertly.

02:50:48.000 Maybe he did that out of carelessness or his own initiative.

02:50:54.000 Considering the sheer fact, this is qualified as espionage.

02:50:58.000 The fact has been proven, as he was caught red-handed when he was receiving this information.

02:51:04.000 If it had been some far-fetched excuse, some fabrication, something not proven, it would have been a different story then.

02:51:12.000 But he was caught red-handed when he was secretly getting confidential information.

02:51:18.000 What is it then?

02:51:19.000 Are you suggesting he was working for the US government or NATO, or he was just a reporter who was given material he wasn't supposed to have?

02:51:26.000 Those seem like very different things.

02:51:37.000 I don't know who he was working for.

02:51:40.000 But I would like to reiterate that getting classified information in secret is called espionage.

02:51:49.000 And he was working for the US special services, some other agencies.

02:51:56.000 I don't think he was working for Monaco, as Monaco is hardly interested in getting that information.

02:52:03.000 It is up to special services to come to an agreement.

02:52:07.000 Some groundwork has been laid.

02:52:10.000 There are people who, in our view, are not connected with special services.

02:52:15.000 Let me tell you a story about a person serving a sentence in an allied country of the US.

02:52:23.000 That person, due to patriotic sentiments, eliminated a bandit in one of the European capitals during the events in the Caucasus.

02:52:33.000 Do you know what he was doing?

02:52:38.000 I don't want to say that, but I will do it anyway.

02:52:41.000 He was laying our soldiers, taken prisoner, on the road and then drove his car over their heads.

02:52:50.000 What kind of person is that?

02:52:52.000 Can he even be called human?

02:52:57.000 But there was a patriot who eliminated him in one of the European capitals.

02:53:04.000 Whether he did it of his own volition or not, that is a different question.

02:53:13.000 He committed something different.

02:53:17.000 He is not just a journalist.

02:53:23.000 I reiterate, he is a journalist who was secretly getting confidential information.

02:53:30.000 Yes, it is different, but still.

02:53:32.000 I'm talking about other people who are essentially controlled by the US authorities, wherever they are serving a sentence.

02:53:41.000 There is an ongoing dialogue between the special services.

02:53:45.000 This has to be resolved in a calm, responsible and professional manner.

02:53:50.000 They're keeping in touch, so let them do their work.

02:53:55.000 I do not rule out that the person you refer to, Mr. Gershkovits, may return to his motherland.

02:54:02.000 By the end of the day, it does not make any sense to keep him in prison in Russia.

02:54:06.000 We want the US special services to think about how they can contribute to achieving the goals our special services are pursuing.

02:54:15.000 We are ready to talk.

02:54:17.000 Moreover, the talks are underway.

02:54:20.000 And there have been many successful examples of these talks crowned with success.

02:54:26.000 Probably, this is going to be crowned with success as well.

02:54:31.000 But we have to come to an agreement.

02:54:37.000 I hope you let him out.

02:54:38.000 Mr. President, thank you.

02:54:42.000 I also want him to return to his homeland at last. 1.00

02:54:46.000 I'm absolutely sincere.

02:54:48.000 I hope you let him out!

02:54:51.000 This just, Tucker is just like a Gen X hippie, just totally out of his, well he's not even a hippie, he's a fake hippie, but totally out of his depth in this interview with this faux sentimentalism.

02:55:05.000 You're talking to, as I said earlier, a statesman who has led the largest country in the world for a quarter of a century, one of the oldest living heads of state, or rather longest serving heads of state in the world.

02:55:18.000 Of a great power, no less.

02:55:20.000 And you come to him with this kind of like, hey man, let's just talk about freaking AI and hey man, could you let our guy out?

02:55:29.000 Come on, he's a kid.

02:55:30.000 It's like, do you know who you're talking to?

02:55:36.000 This isn't like a microbrewery, okay?

02:55:39.000 I don't know if you know that or not.

02:55:40.000 This isn't the Nelk Boys podcast.

02:55:43.000 You're talking to one of the most consequential figures of this century and actually a serious statesman.

02:55:49.000 And he rolls up and says, hey, hey man, could you let him out?

02:55:52.000 I hope you let him out.

02:55:56.000 But let me say once again, the dialogue continues.

02:56:00.000 The more public we render things of this nature, the more difficult it becomes to resolve them.

02:56:07.000 Everything has to be done in a calm manner.

02:56:09.000 I wonder if that's true with the war, though, also.

02:56:13.000 I mean, I just want to, I guess I want to ask one more question, which is, and maybe you don't want to say so for strategic reasons,

02:56:20.000 But are you worried that what's happening in Ukraine could lead to something much larger and much more horrible?

02:56:28.000 And how motivated are you just to call the U.S.

02:56:31.000 government and say, let's come to terms? 0.86

02:56:33.000 He already asked that.

02:56:43.000 I already said that we did not refuse to talk.

02:56:46.000 We are willing to negotiate.

02:56:49.000 It is the Western side, and Ukraine is obviously a satellite state of the US.

02:56:54.000 It is evident.

02:56:56.000 I do not want you to take it as if I am looking for a strong word or an insult, but we both understand what is happening.

02:57:07.000 The financial support, 72 billion U.S.

02:57:11.000 dollars, was provided.

02:57:13.000 Germany ranks second, then other European countries come.

02:57:18.000 Dozens of billions of U.S.

02:57:19.000 dollars are going to Ukraine.

02:57:22.000 There's a huge influx of weapons.

02:57:25.000 In this case, you should tell the current Ukrainian leadership to stop and come to negotiating table, rescind this absurd decree.

02:57:34.000 We did not refuse.

02:57:36.000 Sure, but you already said it.

02:57:37.000 I didn't think you meant it as an insult, because you already said correctly, it's been reported that

02:57:41.000 Ukraine was prevented from negotiating a peace settlement by the former British Prime Minister acting on behalf of the Biden administration.

02:57:48.000 So of course they're a satellite.

02:57:49.000 Big countries control small countries.

02:57:51.000 That's not new.

02:57:52.000 And that's why I asked about dealing directly with the Biden administration, which is making these decisions, not President Zelensky of Ukraine.

02:58:03.000 Well, if the Zelensky administration in Ukraine refused to negotiate, I assume they did it under the instruction from Washington.

02:58:18.000 If Washington believes it to be the wrong decision,

02:58:21.000 Let it abandon it.

02:58:23.000 Let it find a delicate excuse so that no one is insulted.

02:58:27.000 Let it come up with a way out.

02:58:30.000 It was not us who made this decision.

02:58:32.000 It was them.

02:58:34.000 So let them go back on it.

02:58:35.000 That is it.

02:58:38.000 However, they made the wrong decision and now we have to look for a way out of this situation to correct their mistakes.

02:58:46.000 They did it, so let them correct it themselves.

02:58:49.000 We support this.

02:58:51.000 So I just want to make sure I'm not misunderstanding what you're saying.

02:58:53.000 I don't think that I am.

02:58:54.000 I think you're saying you want a negotiated settlement to what's happening in Ukraine.

02:59:03.000 Right.

02:59:05.000 And we made it.

02:59:06.000 We prepared a huge document in Istanbul that was initialed by the head of the Ukrainian delegation.

02:59:13.000 He affixed his signature to some of the provisions.

02:59:17.000 Not to all of it.

02:59:18.000 He put his signature and then he himself said,

02:59:22.000 We were ready to sign it and the war would have been over long ago, 18 months ago.

02:59:28.000 However, Prime Minister Johnson came, talked us out of it, and we missed that chance.

02:59:33.000 Well, you missed it, you made a mistake, let them get back to that, that is all.

02:59:39.000 Why do we have to bother ourselves and correct somebody else's mistakes?

02:59:44.000 I know one can say it is our mistake.

02:59:47.000 It was us who intensified the situation and decided to put an end to the war that started in 2014 in Donbass.

02:59:56.000 As I have already said, by means of weapons.

03:00:00.000 Let me get back to furthering history.

03:00:03.000 I already told you this.

03:00:05.000 We were just discussing.

03:00:07.000 Let us go back to 1991, when we were promised that NATO would not expand.

03:00:13.000 To 2008, when the doors to NATO opened to the declaration of state sovereignty of Ukraine, declaring Ukraine a neutral state.

03:00:23.000 Let us go back to the fact that NATO and US military bases started to appear on the territory of Ukraine, creating threats to us.

03:00:32.000 Let us go back to coup d'etat in Ukraine in 2014.

03:00:37.000 It is pointless though, isn't it?

03:00:39.000 We may go back and forth endlessly, but they stop negotiations.

03:00:44.000 Is it a mistake?

03:00:46.000 Yes.

03:00:47.000 Correct it.

03:00:48.000 We are ready.

03:00:49.000 What else is needed?

03:00:50.000 Do you think it's too humiliating at this point?

03:00:52.000 I love that.

03:00:53.000 That was a great, that was like masterful closing statement.

03:00:57.000 If the whole interview is leading up to that, I thought that was very powerful.

03:01:00.000 You know, to accept Russian control of what was two years ago Ukrainian territory.

03:01:13.000 I said, let them think how to do it with dignity.

03:01:17.000 There are options if there is a will.

03:01:23.000 Up until now there has been the uproar and screaming about inflicting a strategic defeat on Russia on the battlefield.

03:01:33.000 Now they're apparently coming to realize that it is difficult to achieve, if possible at all.

03:01:39.000 In my opinion, it is impossible by definition.

03:01:43.000 It is never going to happen.

03:01:45.000 It seems to me that now, those who are in power in the West have come to realize this as well.

03:01:54.000 If so, if the realization has set in, they have to think what to do next.

03:01:59.000 We're ready for this dialogue.

03:02:01.000 You know, this is a matter of negotiation.

03:02:14.000 You know, it is a subject matter for the negotiations.

03:02:18.000 No one is willing to conduct, or, to put it more accurately, they are willing, but do not know how to do it.

03:02:27.000 I know they want to.

03:02:29.000 It is not just I see it, but I know they do want it.

03:02:33.000 But they are struggling to understand how to do it.

03:02:36.000 They have driven the situation to the point where we are at.

03:02:41.000 It is not us who have done that.

03:02:42.000 It is our partners, opponents who have done that.

03:02:46.000 Well, now let them think how to reverse the situation.

03:02:51.000 We're not against it.

03:02:52.000 It would be funny if it were not so sad.

03:03:00.000 This endless mobilization in Ukraine, the hysteria, the domestic problems.

03:03:05.000 Sooner or later it will result in agreement.

03:03:11.000 You know, this probably sounds strange given the current situation.

03:03:17.000 But the relations between the two peoples will be rebuilt anyway.

03:03:26.000 It will take a lot of time, but they will heal.

03:03:29.000 I'll give you very unusual examples.

03:03:38.000 There is a combat encounter on the battlefield.

03:03:41.000 Here is a specific example.

03:03:44.000 Ukrainian soldiers got encircled.

03:03:46.000 This is an example from real life.

03:03:49.000 Our soldiers were shouting to them.

03:03:52.000 There is no chance.

03:03:53.000 Surrender yourselves.

03:03:55.000 Come out and you will be alive.

03:03:58.000 Suddenly, the Ukrainian soldiers were squealing from there in Russian, perfect Russian, saying, Russians do not surrender.

03:04:07.000 And all of them perished.

03:04:11.000 They still identify themselves as Russian.

03:04:18.000 What is happening is, to a certain extent, an element of a civil war.

03:04:24.000 Everyone in the West thinks that the Russian people have been split by hostilities forever.

03:04:31.000 No, they will be reunited.

03:04:34.000 The unity is still there.

03:04:40.000 Why are the Ukrainian authorities dismantling the Ukrainian Orthodox Church?

03:04:47.000 Because it brings together not only the territory, it brings together our souls.

03:04:55.000 No one will be able to separate the soul.

03:05:03.000 Shall we end here or is there anything else?

03:05:08.000 No, I think that's great.

03:05:10.000 Thank you, Mr. President.

03:05:12.000 Tucker, so, dude, the way he ended that is so... I hate this, like, tone, this affect that he has where he's, like, soft-spoken or whatever.

03:05:23.000 I don't know what that is.

03:05:28.000 What do you call that?

03:05:29.000 Shall we end here or is there anything else?

03:05:35.000 No, I think that's great.

03:05:37.000 Why does he say it like that?

03:05:38.000 Why is he talking like that?

03:05:41.000 It's like sheepish affect and body language.

03:05:48.000 That's beautiful!

03:05:49.000 I think that's great!

03:05:50.000 Like, why are you talking like that?

03:05:52.000 Sort of embarrassing.

03:05:54.000 It's embarrassing because Tucker Carlson is not an effective interviewer.

03:06:00.000 He's not asking effective questions.

03:06:02.000 He's not... It's almost, on some level, insulting and disrespectful.

03:06:07.000 And I felt the same way when Megyn Kelly interviewed Putin, although Megyn Kelly was, you may remember, she interviewed Putin, I think back in 2017 or 2018, and she was a lot more combative and antagonistic, and Tucker was more respectful and polite and arguably more professional.

03:06:29.000 But some of these questions like, why don't you just say NATO won?

03:06:33.000 Or why don't you just call a Biden, man?

03:06:35.000 Why can't you just let this guy go?

03:06:37.000 Why can't you let this hostage?

03:06:38.000 Oh, come on! 0.99

03:06:39.000 Like... There's just a lack of decorum and a lack of seriousness.

03:06:49.000 So I'm actually a little bit, I'm not disappointed in Putin.

03:06:53.000 I thought there were parts of it that I thought were less effective, but I thought that overall Putin is always impressive and very intelligent and thoughtful, but I thought the interviewer, I thought Tucker did not do a good job.

03:07:17.000 So, I wasn't the biggest fan of this interview.

03:07:19.000 I think Putin's great, but... And this is not... I am a little bit biased because I'm not the biggest fan of Tucker, but I don't think he was asking very effective questions.

03:07:28.000 Especially about how the war started.

03:07:31.000 I feel like that's something that has basically been litigated and is almost, at this point, not even relevant.

03:07:38.000 So the first hour of the discussion was about the precipitating cause, specifically, of the war.

03:07:44.000 Not the root causes, which Putin got into,

03:07:47.000 Tucker wanted only to know the precipitating cause.

03:07:52.000 Why Ukraine?

03:07:53.000 Why now?

03:07:53.000 Why did you invade Ukraine in February 2022?

03:07:57.000 He wasn't interested in the historic relationship of the Ukrainian people to the Russian state.

03:08:06.000 He was interested to know why Putin invaded Ukraine when he did.

03:08:10.000 And despite the interruptions, Putin eventually arrived there.

03:08:13.000 He painted a picture over the first hour, hour and 20 minutes about the history of the Russian state and how this sovereign Ukrainian entity came into existence and the

03:08:27.000 The background with the post-Cold War relationship between Washington and Russia.

03:08:33.000 You know, so Putin got into all these issues, but Tucker appeared not to be interested in any of that, but only in this question of what precipitated the intensification of hostilities in 2022.

03:08:45.000 And like I said, to me, that is a far less interesting question.

03:08:48.000 I feel like it's been tread over and over, and at a certain point it gets kind of tedious.

03:08:56.000 So I don't, I think a lot of that was unnecessary.

03:09:02.000 And then some of these questions at the end, again, these are not effective questions.

03:09:09.000 It's a sort of a squandered opportunity to say, why don't you just call up Washington and avert World War III?

03:09:15.000 It's just not a serious treatment of the issue because of course, you know, an average person approaches this conversation

03:09:26.000 And they consider the worst case scenario, which is a great power conflict in the nuclear age, which many people think is an inevitable nuclear war.

03:09:37.000 That any direct confrontation between great powers with these weapons would result in a nuclear exchange that would end the world.

03:09:45.000 So your average person is thinking in terms of, we could all agree that we should avert a nuclear catastrophe.

03:09:53.000 But that's not the logic of states.

03:09:55.000 That is the logic of individual people.

03:10:00.000 That is not the logic of states.

03:10:03.000 And that's not the logic that governs the behavior of states.

03:10:07.000 The logic that governs the behavior of states is principally security and power, which are deeply related.

03:10:16.000 In order to increase your security, which is what all states strive to do, they have to increase their power.

03:10:24.000 And that is the basis of conflict.

03:10:27.000 Because the pursuit of security, which is the pursuit of power,

03:10:34.000 Forces states into opposition because power Is of course Something that comes at the expense of the other for Russia to be more powerful Necessarily its neighbors have to be less powerful its rivals have to be less power But that's how a state increases its security and so what Putin?

03:10:57.000 Says I mean what he's saying but not saying is that

03:11:02.000 There is a long history of Moscow and the West being in conflict over this borderland territory, whether it's the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, or it's Germany, or now it's presently Washington.

03:11:18.000 What he's basically saying is that there's, for a thousand years, there's been a tug of war between the West and Moscow over this land, and it's fundamentally

03:11:30.000 A battle between two poles exerting a magnetic force and it's a tug of war.

03:11:37.000 It's a conflict of security here and

03:11:42.000 For NATO to expand eastward, for them to create an anti-ballistic missile shield, excluding Russia from the security architecture, excluding Russia from their alliance, and then fomenting a coup and then a war in Ukraine is a threat to Russia's security.

03:12:01.000 And so Putin said that effectively we responded to that.

03:12:06.000 And for Tucker to say, well, why don't you just give him a call and end all of that, as if it's a function of a desire to avert World War III.

03:12:16.000 It isn't.

03:12:18.000 It's a function of these security concerns that the United States...

03:12:23.000 ...wants to hold in place the post-Cold War world order which is led by the United States, and the United States basically views it in these terms, that if one of these states, which is closest to the center of power of their rivals, falls, so that would be in the case of Russia, Ukraine, and the case of China, Taiwan, they view it as a dam breaking.

03:12:53.000 That if Ukraine is the most vulnerable to direct Russian intervention, and if Taiwan is the most vulnerable to direct Chinese intervention, if they fall, it's sort of like a modified domino theory.

03:13:07.000 First Ukraine, then Estonia.

03:13:10.000 First Taiwan, then some other, you know, a Japanese island or something like that.

03:13:17.000 And...

03:13:19.000 And, maybe more than that, maybe first Russia makes the move on Ukraine, then China makes the move on Taiwan, maybe then Iran makes the move on Israel, and then Venezuela makes the move on Guyana, and then maybe Azerbaijan makes the move on Armenia, and maybe Egypt makes the move on Ethiopia.

03:13:37.000 And so, for the United States, it's like more of a dam bursting.

03:13:43.000 That the entire world, not just on the periphery,

03:13:48.000 Of course not.

03:14:06.000 And eventually the entire stability of the world goes and then there is a truly global conflict and the United States will not be able to control it and there'll be a great global disorder which will threaten our economic interest and our economic interest is bound up with the stability of the world and the trade routes in the sea and over land and the

03:14:32.000 Weapons of mass destruction which are out there and all these other things So the United States says that we we have to secure Ukraine Ukraine is the sovereign independent state We have to secure it bring it into the fold and protect it from Russia Russia says that for the United States to do that enhancing its security that necessarily takes away from Russia's security because that would entail NATO missiles and NATO military bases and

03:15:03.000 Basically, at the heart of Russia, in Ukraine. 0.58

03:15:08.000 And resting away control of the Black Sea and basically putting too many assets in such close proximity to Russia.

03:15:14.000 That's why Russia went in. 0.98

03:15:16.000 And anyway, the point is that this is a fundamental contradiction that has to be resolved.

03:15:23.000 And that's what Putin said.

03:15:24.000 He said that historically America is declining in relative terms as nations like in Asia rise up with their purchasing power and then therefore their military.

03:15:37.000 Necessarily, American power will have to diminish relative to the rest of the world.

03:15:42.000 He said, and how do you want that to happen?

03:15:44.000 Is that going to happen quickly and painfully with a catastrophe like what's happening in Ukraine?

03:15:50.000 Or is it going to be gradual and on the basis of a negotiated settlement?

03:15:55.000 And so that's the contradiction that has to be resolved.

03:15:59.000 That is the dilemma.

03:16:03.000 So to come to this interview in these simplistic terms, like it's so simple, and say, why don't you just call Washington and just iron it out?

03:16:11.000 It doesn't work that way.

03:16:14.000 If it were that simple, if these matters were so insignificant or so simple that it was simply a matter of picking up the phone, we wouldn't be here.

03:16:24.000 It wouldn't be a major war.

03:16:26.000 These kinds of wars don't start over simple, insignificant issues.

03:16:32.000 Where the stakes are low.

03:16:34.000 It's only in high stakes issues dealing with interest that is very significant with parties that are very powerful and very interested in the outcomes of those things.

03:16:47.000 It's only in those cases where you have major wars like this, which some would say are defying the era.

03:16:56.000 So, to me, when you start throwing stuff out like that, and even the matter of the Wall Street Journal journalist who was arrested, so if you haven't seen, there was a journalist with the Wall Street Journal who was arrested in Russia on espionage charges, and they discussed that, and Tucker says, oh, come on, he's not a spy, why don't you just let him go?

03:17:19.000 It's like, do you think that's the logic of states?

03:17:22.000 Do you think that states can conduct themselves in this way?

03:17:26.000 Because it goes without saying that if a state were to simply say that it would tolerate any aggression or any provocation, lest there be a nuclear war, that state would be destroyed from within by the American intelligence community.

03:17:43.000 If a state were to say that, you know, anytime a person's sensibilities are offended by its actions, like, for example, arresting a 31-year-old journalist, again,

03:17:56.000 You don't even have a basis for a state.

03:17:58.000 You don't have any basis for security there.

03:18:01.000 Come on! 0.61

03:18:02.000 Just let him go! 1.00

03:18:03.000 I mean, what was the expected response?

03:18:06.000 Oh, alright, fine.

03:18:07.000 You know, as if it's that simple.

03:18:09.000 As if that's how it works.

03:18:10.000 It's about... It's about those kinds of feelings.

03:18:21.000 So... Totally ridiculous. 0.97

03:18:27.000 I'm not a fan of Tucker as an interviewer. 0.97

03:18:30.000 I think he's a lot more used to these other interviews where he asks a leader something like, they said, wait a second, the media said you're a racist, but you sound reasonable. 0.99

03:18:42.000 You know, if he's not asking a stupid question like that, I guess this is what we get. 0.97

03:18:49.000 So, yeah, I thought that was not very good. 1.00

03:18:53.000 I thought Putin was excellent.

03:18:57.000 And I thought it was better at the end.

03:19:01.000 I didn't really... I thought the explanation of history was a little bit tedious, and I think that the argument about denazification is not compelling, and I don't think it's persuasive, and I also think it's just kind of nonsense.

03:19:19.000 And I think a lot more time, I think eventually he got there, eventually got to, because to me what is the most salient and what is the most pressing is the history since the Cold War.

03:19:30.000 And if you want to go back further, I would say that maybe what is relevant is how the sovereign Ukrainian entity was created by Stalin and his doctrine on nationalities.

03:19:43.000 But I think that's about as far back as you can go.

03:19:46.000 Where it makes sense to go back a thousand years.

03:19:49.000 I think that's maybe a good prologue, but I don't think it required 40 minutes to go through all of that.

03:19:58.000 I think it's enough to say that NATO and Washington have not been cooperative.

03:20:04.000 They've been antagonistic.

03:20:07.000 They have aggressively moved towards Russia.

03:20:10.000 They undermine the sovereignty of the Ukrainian state with the Euromaidan coup.

03:20:16.000 They have attacked Russia's sovereignty with these CIA-backed intelligence operations, and then Russia responded to a legitimate threat.

03:20:26.000 I think that is the clearest, most unassailable case that you can make.

03:20:32.000 So, you know, I think...

03:20:37.000 I think everything that Putin said is true, and I think everything is relevant on some level, but in terms of economizing on the time here, because this is, all eyes are on Putin, everybody's watching this, it's a huge Western audience, it's sympathetic.

03:20:53.000 Is the most effective argument to go back to the 9th century and talk about how the Ukrainians are Nazis and they gave a standing ovation to that officer in the Canadian Parliament?

03:21:03.000 I think that stuff should have been cut out.

03:21:05.000 I don't... I don't think that was particularly effective.

03:21:08.000 So... That's my review of it.

03:21:14.000 And a lot of this we've already heard.

03:21:16.000 We've really...

03:21:18.000 Kind of been over a lot of this material.

03:21:20.000 This war in Ukraine is now nearly two years old.

03:21:24.000 It broke out on, what, February 24, 2022?

03:21:27.000 So it's just under two years old.

03:21:30.000 We heard all these arguments throughout 2022, less so in 2023.

03:21:34.000 To rehash a lot of this stuff in 2024, I think whoever said it on Twitter was right.

03:21:40.000 It was just a little bit tedious to me.

03:21:42.000 Nothing, no new information has been presented here.

03:21:47.000 Just a lot of stale, less relevant information.

03:21:51.000 So, I wasn't the biggest fan.

03:21:53.000 I was thinking, you know, they said this interview would break the West and change the election.

03:21:58.000 This was not very groundbreaking to me.

03:22:00.000 I don't think there was anything said in here that hasn't already been said somewhere else in a debate forum or even in American media.

03:22:11.000 So, I'm really unimp- I'm unimpressed with the interviewer.

03:22:16.000 And I don't even think that Putin capitalized on this opportunity as best that he could.

03:22:23.000 But... It was interesting, I guess.

03:22:27.000 That's how I feel about it.

03:22:32.000 But let's take a look.

03:22:33.000 Let's see what people are saying on Twitter.

03:22:36.000 I'm curious to see... Oh, I'm rate limited, so I don't even think I'll be able to see anything.

03:22:42.000 I'm curious to see what the takeaway is on Twitter.

03:22:46.000 What is there?

03:22:46.000 Yeah, see?

03:22:50.000 Fucking bullshit. 1.00

03:22:51.000 I'm rate limited so I can't even see what people are saying on Twitter. 1.00

03:22:54.000 Stupid fucking website. 1.00

03:22:56.000 I can't make a burner because I'm banned and then if I'm on a banned account I get to see like five tweets every day. 1.00

03:23:04.000 You know they do that now?

03:23:06.000 If you don't have an active account on Twitter you can only see like

03:23:11.000 25 tweets on a given day and then once you see them they disable your access So I can't even see what people are saying I'll just go on my phone.

03:23:23.000 I have a burner on my phone So I'll just read it here I guess I

03:23:48.000 Let's see.

03:24:05.000 I'm not seeing any good takes about this.

03:24:14.000 Here we go, Matt Walsh.

03:24:16.000 Matt Walsh writes, just started watching the Putin interview.

03:24:19.000 One thing you notice right away is that the guy is lucid and sharp, capable of sitting for a two-hour interview about extremely dense subjects.

03:24:27.000 Compare that to the frail vegetable in the White House who had to cancel a puff piece interview before the Super Bowl because he can't speak on camera for more than... This is just like the most asinine takeaway. 0.98

03:24:38.000 This is what everybody's saying. 1.00

03:24:39.000 Duh, Putin's smart, Biden dumb. 1.00

03:24:43.000 Hot take alert, wow. 1.00

03:24:46.000 Does anyone think Biden would be physically or mentally capable of having a conversation with anyone on camera for two hours?

03:24:52.000 The idea is laughable and yet this guy wants four more years in office.

03:24:55.000 Wow, great point. 1.00

03:24:58.000 Oh, Biden's dumb! 1.00

03:25:00.000 My takeaway from this interview is that Biden is dumb. 1.00

03:25:05.000 Insightful. 1.00

03:25:11.000 Alright, let's see.

03:25:11.000 What else?

03:25:15.000 Yeah, I don't know.

03:25:15.000 I'm not really impressed with anything I'm seeing here.

03:25:20.000 Candace Owens writes, Our presidents are puppets.

03:25:23.000 We already knew that, but Putin is confirming it.

03:25:25.000 The CIA controls those presidents.

03:25:28.000 Oh, really?

03:25:29.000 We already knew that due to the deep state reaction to Trump, who they didn't expect.

03:25:33.000 They are dumbing down and drugging Americans while overthrowing governments worldwide. 0.98

03:25:39.000 True.

03:25:53.000 Tristan Tate, lefties are furious that hearing both sides of the story will be bad for their narrative.

03:25:59.000 These people believe Putin is the enemy of peace.

03:26:01.000 Remind me, these are the same people who were reading Bin Laden's mission statement a few months ago and agreeing with him totally? 0.97

03:26:07.000 Bruh!

03:26:10.000 Okay, so that's just like the most jewed up take imaginable. 1.00

03:26:17.000 So we can hear Putin's side?

03:26:19.000 We can't hear Bin Laden's side? 0.84

03:26:20.000 We can't hear the Palestinian-Muslim side?

03:26:22.000 Or Iran's side? 0.72

03:26:25.000 God forbid?

03:26:30.000 All right.

03:26:31.000 So that's what other people are saying.

03:26:33.000 That's my take.

03:26:34.000 I think I'm gonna get out of here pretty soon.

03:26:36.000 I'm gonna do my show in a couple hours, but I'm gonna read some superchats.

03:26:42.000 We have some superchats on this stream.

03:26:45.000 So I'm gonna read them, but hey, before we do, remember to follow this channel right now and like the video.

03:26:51.000 Give this video a thumbs up, follow this channel.

03:26:55.000 This is, I think, my biggest stream ever on Rumble.

03:26:57.000 We peaked at 14,500 viewers, which breaks my previous record was the Iowa Caucus in January, just a few weeks ago.

03:27:08.000 So, we're breaking records all the time.

03:27:10.000 We broke a record in December,

03:27:14.000 For some other stream.

03:27:15.000 I think one of the debate streams.

03:27:17.000 We broke a record with the Iowa caucus and then broke a record tonight.

03:27:20.000 So huge, huge stream.

03:27:22.000 We beat Charlie Kirk.

03:27:24.000 We beat a few other big ones.

03:27:27.000 So thanks for the support.

03:27:28.000 Thanks for watching.

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03:27:30.000 I'll be back in a little bit to do my show.

03:27:32.000 I'm gonna have to wake up a little bit because I'm like falling asleep.

03:27:35.000 That was a little bit boring.

03:27:36.000 So I'm gonna have to maybe drink some coffee, splash some cold water on my face, and then I'll be back to do my show.

03:27:44.000 But before I get off of this stream, I want to take a look at our Super Chats.

03:27:50.000 We have quite a few, so let me read these and then I'll get out of here, okay?

03:27:57.000 Alright, let's see.

03:28:04.000 Black Roi percent $20, I think one of the big threats to the U.S. 1.00

03:28:07.000 is the inevitable and permanent underclass of unskilled and low-skilled labor getting displaced by AI, i.e. 0.90

03:28:13.000 blacks and Latinos.

03:28:15.000 You'll see UBI introduced and crime skyrocket as they get locked out of the labor market and relegated to welfare recipients and domestics. 0.98

03:28:22.000 Yeah, that's true.

03:28:23.000 The technological unemployment is coming soon.

03:28:27.000 And that is all the people who will be pushed out of work by automation, AI, other developments.

03:28:34.000 And the people that are going to go first are the lowest skilled, lowest wage workers.

03:28:38.000 And that's who we're bringing in by the millions.

03:28:41.000 So what are all these people going to do when there's no jobs?

03:28:46.000 They're going to be in the streets.

03:28:48.000 Stealing.

03:28:49.000 Not going to be good.

03:28:50.000 I didn't notice that.

03:29:08.000 Hey, thanks a lot man.

03:29:08.000 I appreciate the big super chat.

03:29:10.000 Glad to hear you're coming back to Catholicism. 0.98

03:29:11.000 Good for you.

03:29:12.000 God bless you, buddy.

03:29:35.000 And I'm glad you like the show.

03:29:37.000 Yeah, you know, it's not easy doing what I do, but it's worth it.

03:29:41.000 Because I feel like everything else is just... I mean, if you didn't have this show, you would go on Twitter and what's the reaction of the Putin interview?

03:29:48.000 Well, this just shows that Biden is dumb. 0.99

03:29:51.000 In case anybody didn't know that. 1.00

03:29:54.000 I think we got the point, okay?

03:29:56.000 He's been the president for a few years.

03:29:58.000 He's been around longer than that. 0.99

03:30:00.000 It's like 2024 and people watch something that's got nothing to do with him and say, you know, I think the key takeaway is that Biden is retarded. 0.95

03:30:11.000 You know, year five of Biden being retarded and having Alzheimer's 0.91

03:30:16.000 And people watch an interview with Tucker and Putin and the only thing they can say about it is, I think this just goes to show that Biden has Alzheimer's and is too old.

03:30:25.000 Wow, that's really interesting.

03:30:26.000 Thanks for the insight.

03:30:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

03:30:29.000 There you go.

03:30:36.000 There you go!

03:30:37.000 Yeah, exactly!

03:30:38.000 Yeah, a lot of yapping, for sure.

03:30:39.000 Whoops.

03:30:59.000 Well, you know, I hate them in a certain sense. 1.00

03:31:03.000 I don't hate them in the sense that I want them to go to hell. 0.99

03:31:07.000 But I do hate them in the sense that I think they're despicable people and I hate what they're about. 0.98

03:31:14.000 You know, because when you're a Christian, what it means to love everybody, it means you're willing them towards the good.

03:31:19.000 It doesn't mean that you like them.

03:31:22.000 Christianity doesn't say you have to like, because there's a subtle distinction.

03:31:26.000 Love is not liking somebody a lot.

03:31:32.000 They're fundamentally different.

03:31:34.000 So when Christians say you have to love everyone, they don't mean you have to like everybody.

03:31:41.000 They don't mean that you need to approve of what people do or think of people in a positive way.

03:31:48.000 It means that you have to will them towards the good.

03:31:50.000 You have to want for them what is best for them.

03:31:54.000 You have to will

03:31:55.000 I don't know.

03:32:15.000 Do I like them?

03:32:17.000 No.

03:32:17.000 And in that sense, I do hate them.

03:32:20.000 But I don't hate them in the sense that I want to kill them and send them to hell. 1.00

03:32:25.000 You know, I want what's best for everybody. 1.00

03:32:28.000 But that is what it means.

03:32:31.000 Because a lot of people say...

03:32:35.000 You know, oh, if you're a Christian, it means, you know, you gotta just suffer any injury, you have to just like it, you gotta be okay with everything.

03:32:42.000 No, you do not have to be okay with everything.

03:32:45.000 And even forgiveness, even people get forgiveness mixed up.

03:32:48.000 You do not have to exonerate everybody.

03:32:52.000 You know, if somebody is like a serial rapist,

03:32:57.000 A Christian doesn't have to say, Oh, you know, let's, why don't you come and stay the night here? 1.00

03:33:02.000 I don't care that you're a rapist. 1.00

03:33:03.000 All is forgiven. 0.97

03:33:04.000 You know, it doesn't work that way.

03:33:08.000 It means that if someone is repentant,

03:33:12.000 Towards you.

03:33:13.000 You don't hold a grudge against them.

03:33:16.000 But it doesn't mean that you forget their past behavior.

03:33:18.000 It doesn't mean that you have to let somebody continue to injure you or your family or harm you in other ways.

03:33:25.000 Totally different.

03:33:27.000 But that's the thing.

03:33:27.000 Everybody has gotten Christianity confused with leftism, essentially.

03:33:33.000 And they've taken these radical conclusions like love everybody means you have to just like everything about everybody and forgiving people means that we have to allow ourselves to be killed in some cases and allow God to be mocked and allow people to have this moral confusion about what is and isn't sin.

03:33:59.000 So...

03:34:05.000 Um, so anyway.

03:34:07.000 So it's not, so I wouldn't go as far as to say that I don't hate certain people.

03:34:11.000 I pray for my enemies, but I find my enemies to be despicable.

03:34:16.000 And in a certain sense I, uh, in some sense I hate them.

03:34:21.000 Gary Faulkner sent $3. 0.79

03:34:23.000 Putin is a Russian nationalist rather than a white nationalist.

03:34:26.000 Ethnic Russian versus Kadyrovite birth rates indicate they will be majority Muslim soon enough.

03:34:31.000 Yet the majority of casualties are Ukr slash Rus. 0.91

03:34:37.000 Uh, that is true.

03:34:39.000 Although I do think that Putin definitely favors the ethnic Russians.

03:34:43.000 I don't think that he wants Russia to be a Muslim state. 1.00

03:34:46.000 Yeah, me too.

03:34:49.000 He's great.

03:34:50.000 Well, for him to say that is definitely a nod.

03:35:05.000 For him to throw that out there is a barb, for sure.

03:35:09.000 Intentional.

03:35:09.000 I don't know if he's saying, like, hey, you're in the CIA.

03:35:12.000 Awoken American sent $3.

03:35:14.000 I need to rewatch this interview asking myself what Putin meant by repeating for unknown reasons.

03:35:19.000 Is he dog-whistling JQ here?

03:35:21.000 We all know about the Bolsheviks.

03:35:23.000 I can assume true Russians do as well.

03:35:25.000 Okay.

03:35:26.000 Retard alert. 1.00

03:35:29.000 I wouldn't read too much into that to be honest.

03:35:46.000 Okay, I feel like you're trolling me with that.

03:36:06.000 And yeah, I suppose I understand what you mean by that, but I just don't think it's effective at all.

03:36:13.000 I think that's the same logic of this, you know, the Dems are the real racists.

03:36:20.000 Does that neuter the left when Republicans say the Democrats are the party of the Ku Klux Klan?

03:36:26.000 And then, case in point, Republicans were never called racist ever again, right?

03:36:30.000 Like, obviously, no.

03:36:32.000 Republicans are still regarded as racist, called racist.

03:36:37.000 Thanks for the big super chat though.

03:36:39.000 Can't tell if you're serious or not.

03:36:41.000 But I appreciate the big super chat, buddy.

03:37:04.000 Okay.

03:37:04.000 You know what?

03:37:04.000 Just forget you... You're obviously a homosexual forever, so...

03:37:29.000 You know, like I said before, I'm gonna will you to the good, but, you know, you're going to hell, buddy. 1.00

03:37:33.000 Hate to tell you that. 0.94

03:37:34.000 I've never heard that.

03:37:35.000 Thank you.

03:37:36.000 Yeah, I agree.

03:37:36.000 I mean... I can't watch anything other than me.

03:37:59.000 Boomer1963 sent $50.

03:38:01.000 I am pledging $500 by year-end here as another $50 totaling $100 year-to-date.

03:38:08.000 God bless you.

03:38:09.000 Excellent.

03:38:09.000 Hey, you're taking the pledge.

03:38:11.000 Thank you very much.

03:38:12.000 I appreciate the support.

03:38:15.000 Chugger sent $10.

03:38:16.000 I really appreciated Putin's dissertation on Russian history. 0.96

03:38:19.000 I get the criticism of that, but Richard Hanania's take was so gay.

03:38:23.000 We shouldn't lower our standards to that.

03:38:26.000 Yeah, I understand where you're coming from, but by the same token,

03:38:31.000 You have to consider that for Putin to accept this interview, there is something to be gained there.

03:38:40.000 And in order to take full advantage of it, maybe that was not the best approach.

03:38:47.000 So, I agree with you.

03:38:50.000 But, on some level, I agree with you that we should not lower our standards.

03:38:55.000 On the other hand, the situation is what it is, and if he wanted the maximum benefit from it, maybe some brevity would have been in order.

03:39:05.000 So... Gregg Roy percent ten dollars.

03:39:09.000 If Putin's primary goal was to appeal to Western audiences here or fix his reputation in the West, why?

03:39:16.000 He would have just spoken in English as he's done in interviews before.

03:39:19.000 I don't know.

03:39:20.000 I wouldn't read too much into it.

03:39:23.000 I would say it's more of one of these nationalist type things.

03:39:29.000 A lot of French people do this for the same reason.

03:39:34.000 It's sort of a patriotic gesture.

03:39:37.000 It's a political gesture, so to speak.

03:39:40.000 Thank you.

03:39:46.000 I don't think so.

03:39:46.000 I think that's Cope.

03:39:48.000 Thank you!

03:39:48.000 Yeah.

03:40:17.000 Did they do an interview recently?

03:40:28.000 I couldn't, uh... I saw that, but I wasn't able to see if that is an old interview or a new interview.

03:40:36.000 Yeah, honestly, you just gotta pray for him.

03:40:39.000 And I don't say that to be patronizing, but there's a lot of dark forces around him.

03:40:45.000 And just a lot of degenerate stuff.

03:40:47.000 There's the stuff that's public.

03:40:48.000 There's the stuff that isn't public and It's uh, it's disappointing and I wish that he would be a better example because You know, you didn't know him and I I didn't know him for a very long time.

03:41:03.000 I knew him for five or six months, whatever it was seven months and

03:41:09.000 But in the time that I did get to know him, he does have a genuine faith in God.

03:41:14.000 He really does.

03:41:15.000 He is a genuinely brilliant, creative artist.

03:41:20.000 And I also think that he has this will.

03:41:24.000 And whether you think he could be the president or not, and whatever you think of him, I think he could be a tremendous force for good.

03:41:32.000 I think he absolutely has it in him.

03:41:34.000 More so than he has already.

03:41:36.000 But...

03:41:39.000 Somewhere along the way, lost the mission.

03:41:43.000 Because when we were out there in L.A.

03:41:47.000 in December 2022, there was this mission for him to become the, like, dictator of America, basically.

03:41:58.000 The fearless, visionary, Christian leader.

03:42:00.000 And again, regardless of whether you think it was possible or not, even if it was only an exercise,

03:42:10.000 It could have been something remarkable, where he was talking about rewriting the Constitution, subordinating the law to the Bible, and especially calling out the Jewish media. 0.89

03:42:23.000 And he was obsessed with this, and working tirelessly on it all the time.

03:42:30.000 It seems like he got married and that's when and I'm not listen and I met Bianca a couple times And I don't know her and I'm not I'm not insinuating any blame but it would seem like that that is right around the time when things started to go in a different direction and Again, I'm not I'm just saying that happens to be that time so I don't know if he's distracted because it's sex or I

03:42:58.000 If there's an influence there, maybe it's some other personnel.

03:43:01.000 I don't know what it is, but it's been very disappointing because when we were around him, there was nothing unbiblical.

03:43:11.000 Everything was by the Bible.

03:43:14.000 We were going to churches.

03:43:16.000 It was all about the children.

03:43:18.000 It was all about no swearing, no profanity, no nudity, no sex before marriage.

03:43:24.000 His office was like a Christian dictatorship. 0.95

03:43:28.000 And now, it's like, you know, the wife is being paraded around naked in front of the kids, and the lyrics are filthy, and, you know, they're doing sexual stuff in public, and... So, I love him. 0.95

03:43:46.000 I do.

03:43:46.000 I love him as a guy.

03:43:47.000 I still believe in him.

03:43:49.000 I still support him.

03:43:51.000 But... We gotta pray for him to get out of this, cause...

03:43:57.000 You know, something's going on with him and it's nothing good.

03:44:01.000 I feel like it's very dark energy and he's got a very innocent spirit and he's very boyish.

03:44:09.000 I feel like he's very given to his appetites and impulses and, you know, so I would pray that he gets rescued from some of that because he's a good guy.

03:44:19.000 I really believe it deep down.

03:44:21.000 Well, I know it.

03:44:21.000 I mean, I knew him, but...

03:44:29.000 But yeah, it's a shame what's happened.

03:44:34.000 Because the last, one of the last, not the last one, but one of the last conversations I had with him, we were feeling good, we were building the campaign website, we were ready to run, and we were talking about, I don't want to spoil all of it, but we were talking about some pretty innovative things, and I just feel like all of that has just gone away since that time period.

03:45:02.000 Excuse me, so... That's okay.

03:45:07.000 You know, there's time.

03:45:10.000 There will be time, hopefully, for him to refocus and get back on track a little bit, but it's been hard to watch, to be honest with you.

03:45:22.000 Smitty Jackson sent $50, how would you have advised Putin strategically in this huge interview that tens of millions of Americans will see?

03:45:29.000 Pretty yappy and a waste of potential IMO.

03:45:32.000 Also what are your thoughts on Destiny beating you in your guy's second debate on immigration?

03:45:37.000 You destroyed him in the first one but he kinda owned you in the follow up.

03:45:40.000 Gotta give him credit.

03:45:42.000 No, I disagree.

03:45:43.000 If you rewatch it, I won that debate.

03:45:46.000 Nice try though, that's a nice attempt at baiting me.

03:45:49.000 I won the poll.

03:45:50.000 We did a poll.

03:45:51.000 I won the poll.

03:45:52.000 Everyone in the live chat agreed I won that debate.

03:45:57.000 As far as what I would say for Putin, I don't know.

03:46:02.000 I really question the value of it, to be honest with you.

03:46:05.000 I mean, the idea is that you break the wall down and you generate internal dissent within the United States and destroy the mandate to continue the war.

03:46:20.000 Theoretically, that would be the opportunity.

03:46:26.000 So in order to do that, I would make the most compelling, effective argument for why the war is the West's fault and why they're holding out on creating a peace deal.

03:46:41.000 But at the end of the day,

03:46:43.000 How much is that really going to move the needle?

03:46:46.000 I'm pretty skeptical.

03:46:47.000 How much is that really going to change anything?

03:46:48.000 I'm not really sure.

03:46:52.000 It would also seem that Putin is abiding by the rules of sovereignty, like he's not interfering in the West and its internal affairs because he could have really...

03:47:02.000 I mean, he could go out there and say some radical stuff.

03:47:04.000 He could go out there and be just, he could just generate propaganda.

03:47:10.000 Then again, that would discredit any, if he were to go, so for example, if he were to go in there and say, here's the evidence that Nord Stream 2 was blown up by America, and here's the evidence that

03:47:21.000 Whatever, you know, the deep state controls the government.

03:47:25.000 But that, if he were to do that, it would discredit any of those narratives.

03:47:28.000 So they have to be slipped in covertly.

03:47:30.000 There can't be... He can't be seen holding the knife, so to speak.

03:47:36.000 So, you know, maybe that's why.

03:47:38.000 John Smith sent $50.

03:47:40.000 Putin had a weird response to the Christian question Tucker asked him.

03:47:44.000 Great stream.

03:47:45.000 I don't think it was that weird.

03:47:48.000 But thanks for the super chat.

03:47:49.000 I thought it was good.

03:47:51.000 Death to Israel sent $10. 1.00

03:47:52.000 Jews hijacked our country and took away the sovereignty of our citizens. 1.00

03:47:57.000 They have flooded our country with hordes of dark... I disavow that. 1.00

03:48:01.000 Talking like that doesn't help anybody. 1.00

03:48:02.000 You talk like that, one, you sound like an imbecile. 1.00

03:48:06.000 Two, you're just gonna get yourself hurt. 1.00

03:48:11.000 So, disavow that. 1.00

03:48:13.000 I mean, you sound like a retard. 1.00

03:48:16.000 Chuggers sent $5. 1.00

03:48:17.000 He was eliminated by a patriot that was wild.

03:48:22.000 Okay, thank you for that.

03:48:24.000 I don't talk about Jews, are you serious? 1.00

03:48:26.000 Watch my show, retard. 1.00

03:48:47.000 Smitty Jackson sent $5. 0.97

03:48:49.000 You can hate Destiny but also realize he's a smart guy and a once-in-a-generation debater, and has bested you a couple times.

03:48:55.000 You've still wrecked him seven ninths times.

03:48:58.000 Have some humility and modesty. 1.00

03:49:00.000 Oh wait, this is that idiot from before. 1.00

03:49:02.000 Okay, so this is probably one of John Dave Irving's alts. 1.00

03:49:06.000 This is that idiot who was saying, 1.00

03:49:09.000 What was the argument? 1.00

03:49:11.000 I said something like, I'm a non-interventionist, but when we take power, we're gonna be imperialists.

03:49:18.000 And this guy said, no, we can't do that because war is bad.

03:49:22.000 I think this is that same fad from months ago. 0.98

03:49:25.000 Okay, so you're just trolling me.

03:49:28.000 Nice try.

03:49:29.000 You almost got me.

03:49:29.000 No, that's a given.

03:49:30.000 That's a given that you let the... Is that really the bar?

03:49:31.000 If you don't interrupt, that's the mark of a good interviewer?

03:49:33.000 The bar is on the floor.

03:49:51.000 Again, I don't see how that makes it any more persuasive.

03:50:13.000 What's the argument? 0.99

03:50:14.000 The left are hypocrites? 1.00

03:50:16.000 Give me a break. 1.00

03:50:17.000 Oh, actually they are Nazis!

03:50:20.000 Okay, who does that persuade?

03:50:23.000 Show me the overlap of people that are watching sympathetically an interview with Vladimir Putin and would also be swayed by this argument.

03:50:32.000 Who is that supposed to appeal to?

03:50:35.000 Soxcroix percent ten dollars.

03:50:37.000 No message.

03:50:38.000 Thanks.

03:50:40.000 Smitty Jackson sent $3 if I were Putin's father.

03:50:46.000 Reactionary Reader sent $5.

03:50:48.000 I thought Tucker's questions about China threatening Russia's sovereignty and if he would quickly accept a peace deal were interesting.

03:50:55.000 Clearly wants the U.S.

03:50:56.000 to finalize its pivot to Asia as many in U.S.

03:50:58.000 intel want and the Ukraine war impedes this.

03:51:02.000 Yeah, I said that last night.

03:51:04.000 I think that's Tucker's angle.

03:51:06.000 Because Tucker is a China hawk.

03:51:09.000 So I said this last night, I am supportive of Russia because in order for there to be regime change in America, there has to be pressure from outside and inside.

03:51:21.000 Historically, that's when regime change occurs.

03:51:24.000 In Russia, Iran, France, the United States, anywhere.

03:51:29.000 The only way that you get regime change is if the United States is knocked down a peg.

03:51:35.000 For economic reasons, security reasons, cultural reasons, political reasons.

03:51:43.000 So that's why I support America's adversaries outright.

03:51:46.000 That's why I'm kind of sympathetic to Russia and China and Iran and the BRICS.

03:51:52.000 Because the more that they can create an alternative system and exert pressure on the United States,

03:51:58.000 The closer the United States gets to some kind of calamity, where we can rise up.

03:52:04.000 What's more, if that doesn't happen, it diminishes the power of the people in Washington who are our adversaries.

03:52:11.000 The people that are jailing the capital rioters, they're literally the same people that are prosecuting the war in Ukraine, in many cases.

03:52:20.000 So, I support both Russia and China, and I support

03:52:27.000 The BRICS and I support Iran.

03:52:29.000 I support all of them pressing on the pressure points of the American regime in the world.

03:52:36.000 And I support them expanding their jurisdiction.

03:52:39.000 That's good for me as an American dissident. 0.87

03:52:42.000 But that's not why Tucker is sympathetic to Putin.

03:52:45.000 Tucker is sympathetic to Putin because that is survival for Washington.

03:52:52.000 At this point, it is the pragmatic argument that benefits Washington to end this war.

03:52:58.000 He's like the voice of reason for the American elite.

03:53:01.000 The American elite are giving themselves to these delusions, and Tucker is like the voice of reason on behalf of Washington.

03:53:12.000 And saying it's in our best interest to survive to end this war.

03:53:17.000 So he's arguing that ending this war makes Washington stronger.

03:53:22.000 And that's why he wants it.

03:53:23.000 Because he thinks that the real threat to Washington, and he's right about this, is coming from China. 0.94

03:53:28.000 And he wants to drive a wedge between Russia and China, rather than driving them together.

03:53:35.000 And he wants to confront China, not Russia.

03:53:38.000 And to a lesser extent, not confront Iran. 0.56

03:53:41.000 So in that sense, Tucker is on board with Washington.

03:53:46.000 He wants Washington to be powerful.

03:53:48.000 He wants Washington to survive.

03:53:51.000 He wants Washington to be as powerful as possible.

03:53:55.000 And that's his angle.

03:53:56.000 So Tucker is pro-Russia, or maybe I wouldn't even say that.

03:54:01.000 I would say that he's not anti-Russia, but he's anti-China.

03:54:05.000 I'm pro-Russia and pro-China.

03:54:07.000 And I'm pro-Russia and pro-China because I'm an American dissident.

03:54:12.000 Tucker is not anti-Russia because he is a loyal servant of Washington, and he is anti-China for the same reason.

03:54:21.000 So he goes to this interview as a class traitor to try to compel the American security state to back off of Russia so they could focus on China and maintain some power.

03:54:39.000 So that's his angle, but he's still working for Washington.

03:54:42.000 That's why he went and supported Malay.

03:54:44.000 What did Malay do? 1.00

03:54:46.000 Prevented Argentina's accession to the BRICS.

03:54:52.000 And Tucker goes to Canada to try to overthrow Justin Trudeau.

03:55:00.000 And he goes to Hungary to support Orban, who is in bed with Likud, and his father works at the Hungarian embassy, and so on and so forth.

03:55:10.000 So Tucker is not a dissident.

03:55:12.000 He's not.

03:55:14.000 Tucker is like one part of the dialectic of the security state, but he's still on their side.

03:55:21.000 But he's, he's maybe, uh, representing a different point of view.

03:55:27.000 But still representing the security state.

03:55:35.000 Spence sent $3.

03:55:36.000 Great analysis.

03:55:38.000 I agree Tucker isn't worthy of this interview.

03:55:40.000 Especially bizarre when he was running cover for that obvious spy pretending to be a journalist.

03:55:45.000 Yeah, well, again, he's a shill, I think, for the CIA. 0.69

03:55:48.000 Thank you.

03:55:48.000 Glad you liked it.

03:55:49.000 Thank you.

03:55:49.000 I am handsome.

03:55:50.000 Am I not?

03:55:50.000 So true.

03:56:16.000 Sipip sent $3.

03:56:17.000 Honestly feel gross when listening to Vultures because it feels like such a fall from grace, not to put him down because I could listen to the old stuff and not flinch but after Donda it feels sad.

03:56:27.000 Yeah, I feel the same way. 0.98

03:56:30.000 It was jarring when I listened to the first listening party and the lyrics are just like, I want to fuck something, you know, one in the pink, one in the stink, all that kind of stuff. 0.99

03:56:43.000 I'm like, dude, 0.99

03:56:46.000 What happened to not swearing what happened to Christian lyrics and I wasn't the biggest fan I feel like a lot of the Christian stuff was You know the execution wasn't perfect But yeah, I feel exactly the same way it's like so what so what happened to that Are we just totally turning our back on that you're now just like a degenerate again Yeah, big letdown

03:57:14.000 That's funny, dude.

03:57:15.000 The boomers on Rumble are not ready for this. 1.00

03:57:18.000 Come on, man!

03:57:18.000 What about separation of church and state?

03:57:21.000 We are so far beyond that, bro.

03:57:22.000 We are so past that.

03:57:23.000 The boomers will learn. 0.92

03:57:24.000 I will teach them.

03:57:39.000 Wow, thank you for the big super chat.

03:57:40.000 Yes, the No Holds Barred podcast, I've heard a lot about this.

03:57:42.000 I didn't know, I think it's actually insulting they did it during my show, but that's okay.

03:57:47.000 It's their prerogative.

03:58:06.000 Thank you very much for the big super chat.

03:58:07.000 God bless your family.

03:58:08.000 I appreciate the support.

03:58:09.000 Yes, it is happening this year.

03:58:10.000 Hopefully we'll be making an announcement about that rather soon.

03:58:36.000 Just got to get the D. You know, these things get harder and harder to put on as the years go by because I keep getting more and more radical.

03:58:43.000 So it feels like.

03:58:45.000 And we're getting bigger and bigger.

03:58:47.000 The bigger and more radical you get, the more roadblocks they put up.

03:58:50.000 So we're definitely going to do it this year.

03:58:53.000 But we'll probably put out that information soon.

03:59:00.000 Okay, I'm not reading.

03:59:01.000 Oh, here we go.

03:59:02.000 It is this guy!

03:59:03.000 Boohoo! 1.00

03:59:03.000 This has gotta be a bit- This has gotta be a troll. 1.00

03:59:05.000 Tell me again are you- Listen, buddy.

03:59:07.000 Death is a part of life.

03:59:31.000 I hate to be the one to have to give you the bad news.

03:59:34.000 Your parents didn't do it.

03:59:36.000 But everybody dies eventually. 0.99

03:59:39.000 And it is the business of governments to kill people.

03:59:45.000 That's why governments are appointed by God. 0.99

03:59:48.000 Leaders are raised up and they are given the privilege to kill and to order those to kill and be killed. 0.97

03:59:59.000 It's the way of the world.

03:59:59.000 You have a problem with it?

04:00:02.000 Take it up with mankind.

04:00:19.000 It's whatever.

04:00:20.000 I mean, at this point, I'm like... I tell these people, I'm like, let's just stop playing games.

04:00:25.000 Book me, don't book me.

04:00:27.000 Let's stop playing games.

04:00:28.000 The girl was texting me these paragraphs, paragraphs.

04:00:33.000 It's so hard to book you because blah blah blah.

04:00:35.000 I'm like, listen.

04:00:39.000 Stop yapping.

04:00:40.000 I mean, book me or don't book me.

04:00:42.000 What do you want?

04:00:43.000 You want a cookie?

04:00:44.000 Because you tried?

04:00:45.000 What are you, some kind of martyr?

04:00:49.000 You're the booking agent for the show.

04:00:52.000 So, you know, book me.

04:00:55.000 Don't book me.

04:00:57.000 Otherwise, why are we having this conversation?

04:01:00.000 She goes, well I'm advocating for you and I want you to be on the show and blah blah blah.

04:01:05.000 Alright, make it happen.

04:01:06.000 Or don't.

04:01:08.000 I don't really care that much anymore.

04:01:11.000 But she's just yapping yapping and she gets all offended every time people on social media give her a hard time. 1.00

04:01:18.000 They're a martyr.

04:01:19.000 Oh, but I worked so hard to get Nick on the show.

04:01:22.000 You haven't!

04:01:23.000 It hasn't happened.

04:01:24.000 I worked so hard and I get attacked by your people. 1.00

04:01:27.000 Okay, what do you want from me? 1.00

04:01:30.000 You're the booking agent for a hypocrite. 0.99

04:01:33.000 The Tim Pool Show says they're a free speech show. 0.99

04:01:36.000 I mean, at various times over the past three years, I've been the hottest thing in politics.

04:01:40.000 And I'm certainly hotter than many people that are on the show.

04:01:44.000 And they have some objection to me being on the show.

04:01:48.000 Okay, well that's your problem. 0.96

04:01:51.000 You're a booking agent and you're kind of engaged in a fundamentally hypocritical enterprise.

04:01:56.000 You're a booking agent for a free speech show that has no free speech. 0.60

04:02:01.000 Sorry?

04:02:01.000 No one is making you do this.

04:02:04.000 If you have a problem with it, get another job.

04:02:06.000 Take it up with Tim Pool.

04:02:08.000 You have been put in the unfortunate situation of defending hypocrisy.

04:02:13.000 Sorry?

04:02:15.000 Welcome to politics?

04:02:16.000 Like, I don't know what to tell you. 0.99

04:02:19.000 That's why women don't belong, because they're just fucking annoying about stuff like this, you know? 1.00

04:02:27.000 Women, they just can't take the heat. 1.00

04:02:30.000 They're not tough. 1.00

04:02:31.000 They go on social media and they dump their garbage opinions and bullshit on everybody. 1.00

04:02:37.000 It goes back the other way and then they want you to come and wipe their ass. 1.00

04:02:42.000 You know, they want you to come in and wipe their disgusting little butts. 1.00

04:02:47.000 Because they're so incapable. 1.00

04:02:50.000 So... So annoying. 0.93

04:02:55.000 She texted me fucking a hundred things today. 0.99

04:03:01.000 She says, You know, not everyone is out to get you. 0.99

04:03:06.000 People act like it's the easiest thing to just book Nick Fuentes.

04:03:09.000 First of all, you need a guest to counter him.

04:03:13.000 Like YouTube where they'll just pull the episode down. 0.98

04:03:16.000 Secondly, it doesn't do any service to Nick to put him on a debate with idiots like the one debate he did that had three people. 0.99

04:03:22.000 I think one of them was the girl that was running for Congress. 1.00

04:03:25.000 That was a joke. 1.00

04:03:26.000 You don't want to get mindless idiots like the Krasensteins. 1.00

04:03:29.000 And a lot of people say no. 1.00

04:03:31.000 Why on earth would I have reached out to him originally to ask for him to be on the show?

04:03:35.000 I would have none of this drama if I never contacted him from the get-go.

04:03:39.000 Again, it was me that reached out to him first because I think he deserves a fair intellectual debate.

04:03:44.000 And since then, I've asked people, but I haven't gotten anybody that I consider credible that said yes.

04:03:49.000 So there was nothing to update him on.

04:03:51.000 For the record, I think you get unfairly blacklisted.

04:03:55.000 I do!

04:03:56.000 Again, what do you want, a trophy?

04:03:58.000 Oh, thank you, thank you.

04:04:00.000 It's the reality.

04:04:03.000 For the record, I think you get treated unfairly.

04:04:06.000 I know!

04:04:08.000 I do!

04:04:09.000 It's just objectively a fact! 1.00

04:04:13.000 What, do you want me to kiss your ass? 1.00

04:04:15.000 Oh, thank you for saying that! 1.00

04:04:16.000 Oh, thank you so much!

04:04:18.000 Thank you, thank you! 1.00

04:04:19.000 I know, bitch! 1.00

04:04:21.000 That's my life! 0.97

04:04:23.000 Yes, it was deeply unfair when they put me on the federal no-fly list, froze half a million dollars, banned me from payment processing, and stripped me of my income, and banned me from all social media, and subpoenaed me, and I had to pay quarter million dollars in legal fees.

04:04:39.000 Yeah, that was all very unfair.

04:04:40.000 I'm aware of that.

04:04:41.000 Thank you for telling me.

04:04:44.000 For the record, I think you get unfairly blacklisted.

04:04:48.000 Oh, do you?

04:04:49.000 Thanks.

04:04:51.000 Even now?

04:04:51.000 Well, I'm disappointed at your post.

04:04:56.000 Dude, women are just... This is why I'm an incel. 1.00

04:05:00.000 Among many other reasons.

04:05:03.000 I will still advocate for you to be on not just a culture war, but any show because it's the right thing to do.

04:05:12.000 You know, again, it's like, what do you want from me?

04:05:16.000 You know, my life is this way because I

04:05:20.000 I have integrity and I have made decisions about what I'm gonna do and what I'm not gonna do.

04:05:25.000 Compromises I'm unwilling to make.

04:05:27.000 And it is the way it is.

04:05:28.000 I don't need you to tell me that's how it is. 0.96

04:05:32.000 And you come to me and complain that you're on a show where they're hypocritical and you get attacked for it.

04:05:40.000 You want me to defend you because you... you're apparently trying to get me on the show and like, you know, theoretically you support me? 0.56

04:05:51.000 Hey guys, stop attacking her. 0.57

04:05:53.000 She's trying her best.

04:05:54.000 I know she hasn't delivered on anything and she's not even really defending me at all in an unqualified way.

04:06:01.000 But hey, can we please be nice to this lady online? 1.00

04:06:03.000 Let her be a hypocrite! 1.00

04:06:07.000 What do you want from me? 1.00

04:06:08.000 So, I'm supposed to make all the sacrifices, also I have to defend you?

04:06:14.000 Why?

04:06:16.000 What have you done for me?

04:06:17.000 What have you done for any of us?

04:06:18.000 You get a nice salary to do this job on this show that has no problems.

04:06:23.000 You're on YouTube.

04:06:25.000 I'm supposed to feel sorry for you?

04:06:27.000 You're on YouTube.

04:06:29.000 You make tons of money because you're self-censor.

04:06:33.000 You gatekeep me out of your platform.

04:06:35.000 You get rightfully attacked for it.

04:06:38.000 You text me with the sob story you're a martyr.

04:06:41.000 I'm supposed to feel sorry for you and rush to your defense?

04:06:44.000 I don't think so.

04:06:48.000 And that was just the beginning!

04:06:52.000 So I replied back.

04:06:53.000 I said, fair enough.

04:06:55.000 That's not what you said on Twitter.

04:06:57.000 You said I can't come on the show because someone pissed you off.

04:07:00.000 That was unprofessional.

04:07:02.000 Don't take it personally.

04:07:03.000 Tim doesn't want me on the show.

04:07:05.000 It puts you in a tough spot.

04:07:06.000 It is what it is.

04:07:07.000 It obviously doesn't help when you say you're not bringing me on despite some random person on Twitter.

04:07:13.000 That was a joke!

04:07:14.000 It was 100% a joke!

04:07:17.000 You know I would never say that, but okay, whatever.

04:07:21.000 Are you gonna bring me on the show or not?

04:07:23.000 Like, what are we doing here?

04:07:25.000 Why are we playing these games?

04:07:35.000 So annoying.

04:07:41.000 So.

04:07:43.000 Anyway.

04:07:47.000 Zachariah Seed sent $3.

04:07:49.000 Have you seen that John Mearsheimer-Lex Friedman interview on YouTube?

04:07:52.000 Bro str8up said he was happily okay with America becoming minority white. 0.94

04:07:57.000 He also suggested that he was ethnically Jewish.

04:08:00.000 Seussesf tbh.

04:08:01.000 Mearsheimer said that?

04:08:03.000 I watched the interview.

04:08:04.000 I don't remember that part.

04:08:06.000 Smitty Jackson sent $10.

04:08:08.000 You are living in 1860 with that take.

04:08:10.000 Oh, okay.

04:08:10.000 It's the current year.

04:08:13.000 Smitty Jackson sent $5. 1.00

04:08:14.000 Debate me pussy. 1.00

04:08:17.000 We're debating right now. 1.00

04:08:19.000 Just keep sending superchats.

04:08:21.000 What do you mean?

04:08:21.000 We're in a debate right now.

04:08:23.000 You just have to pay $5 every time you want to say something.

04:08:28.000 Joe Biden sent $3.

04:08:30.000 I talked to the President of Mexico, LCC, and convinced him to open up the gates.

04:08:35.000 Yeah, that was crazy when that happened.

04:08:37.000 Destiny's Nick Forever sent $3.

04:08:39.000 Will you ever reconcile with Destiny?

04:08:41.000 He said on stream he would be willing to talk again.

04:08:44.000 Uh, maybe.

04:08:46.000 But he's gotta stop treating me badly.

04:08:51.000 Because the thing is, I was always willing to talk to him, and then in around October, September 2022, he made up some convoluted excuse for why he was gonna blacklist me.

04:09:05.000 Do you remember this?

04:09:07.000 Some guy who I don't even know anymore, I don't even talk to,

04:09:12.000 Mass reported a friend of destiny's and so destiny said well for that reason I will never talk to Nick Fuentes again All right.

04:09:19.000 I will not talk to him for a long time and Then when I got hooked up with Kanye, oh then that Prohibition was lifted then all of a sudden it was okay to talk to me again And I said well not so fast a month ago you don't want to talk to me because of some convoluted reason now that I'm

04:09:37.000 More famous.

04:09:38.000 Now you want to talk again.

04:09:39.000 Now you want to do no jumper.

04:09:41.000 I said, I don't think so.

04:09:42.000 Not so fast.

04:09:43.000 Then, when Ye 24 wrapped up, and I was back in Chicago, then he put the prohibition back in place and said, oh, now I'm not going to talk to Nick ever again.

04:09:54.000 Again.

04:09:56.000 Then, last summer, when I was on Fresh and Fit, and I had a huge audience, he just showed up.

04:10:03.000 I was there, I was booked on the show for three days in a row, and after the first episode was huge, he just showed up, because he lives there, to do an impromptu debate.

04:10:12.000 And suddenly, once again, the prohibition was lifted.

04:10:17.000 And then he was going to show up to my next debate, somewhere else, in a different city.

04:10:21.000 And I said, hang on a second.

04:10:23.000 I said, so, is this how it works?

04:10:26.000 Like, everywhere I go to get my own press, and get my own publicity, you're gonna just follow me around, and leech off of it, and just kind of be a general pissant, and try to take the wind out of my sails, because that's what he's there to do.

04:10:46.000 When he follows me around, it's not a debate series, he's there to just make me look bad, and he admitted as much.

04:10:53.000 He did this years ago and he said, I can't let him talk to that many people without a fact check or whatever. 0.98

04:11:00.000 And so it's literally just about this ideological thing where he's gotta come and just say, oh wait a second, aren't you a total freaking Nazi? 0.98

04:11:10.000 Wait a second, aren't you? 0.95

04:11:11.000 You know, I cannot be allowed to give my side of the story without him pushing it through his lens.

04:11:19.000 I'm not gonna let you just bandwagon or

04:11:31.000 Follow me around on every one of these debates so you could just rain on my parade and leech off my publicity.

04:11:37.000 Like, you have your own stream.

04:11:38.000 You have all the opportunities in the world because you're a liberal.

04:11:42.000 If you want to do a debate, I'm happy to do a debate.

04:11:45.000 If you want to do a debate on your channel, I'll do a debate on your channel.

04:11:48.000 You want to do it on my channel, I'll do it on my channel. 1.00

04:11:51.000 I'm not gonna allow this where I can't get an interview anywhere without somebody to show up and just say, hey, fuck you, fuck you, you said this, you said that, you're a bad person. 1.00

04:12:00.000 You know, who would tolerate something like this? 1.00

04:12:05.000 So after I said that, he said, oh, well, I'm never talking to him again.

04:12:08.000 Okay.

04:12:10.000 So, you know, if he wants to treat me like

04:12:19.000 With any degree of reciprocity.

04:12:22.000 And where it is mutually advantageous, I'm in favor of that.

04:12:25.000 You know, if we want to come together and create content and it's for our audiences, we can both promote ourselves.

04:12:32.000 You know, if we go, for example, if we go and do a debate, and that's what we commit to, and that's what we do, it's a big streaming event, everybody wins, I get to promote myself, he gets to promote himself, it's a big audience, we get to persuade people, we get to do the issues, we get to, you know, that's fine.

04:12:51.000 But I'm not gonna like be harassed and stalked around where it's like everywhere I go he just pops up and it's like I should be able, excuse me, to do interviews.

04:13:00.000 I should be able to conduct my own publicity.

04:13:04.000 But he wants it to be only one way where it's only the only time he'll have a stream with me is when it hurts me and benefits him and if it ever benefits me in any way he doesn't want to do it.

04:13:17.000 Like, if I were to go on his stream, it would benefit me, because I'd get in front of his audience, and he would also be in front of his audience.

04:13:24.000 So that benefits me more than him, he won't do it.

04:13:27.000 But if I have an interview scheduled, and he shows up, you know, that takes away from my interview, and it gives him another platform.

04:13:35.000 So, you know, when it's like that, you know, that's just not... why would I sign up for that?

04:13:43.000 So... I'm happy to do the content,

04:13:47.000 Well, I don't even know if I'd say I'm happy I think he's just generally like a piece of shit but And I think we've realized that over time like one he doesn't know anything too. 0.89

04:13:57.000 He's not that smart three He's like a despicable person so You know, I'd be willing to talk to him because it's good content, but I you know, I'm not gonna enjoy it My opinion of him has never been lower 0.98

04:14:11.000 Andy Poll is sent $109, Lisa acts like she needs someone good for you to debate. 0.99

04:14:16.000 Cap.

04:14:17.000 You could just discuss current events with Tim Pool and co.

04:14:20.000 They just hosted Blair White lol.

04:14:23.000 Exactly.

04:14:24.000 It's always some excuse.

04:14:29.000 You know, they bring on people that are half as influential, half as in-demand or requested, and whenever it's me, oh, well, you know, we gotta find the exact right person.

04:14:41.000 Why?

04:14:41.000 Just bring on... You can push back.

04:14:44.000 It's not like you have to have a world-renowned... They're like, we need the right person to do the pushback.

04:14:50.000 Why?

04:14:51.000 Tim Pool's a smart guy.

04:14:52.000 He can't push back.

04:14:53.000 I mean, nobody on that panel agrees with me they can't push back. 1.00

04:14:57.000 It's so rid- fucking ridiculous. 0.97

04:15:00.000 It's like, I'm already one of the most censored people in the world, and when I go on a free speech platform, they're like, well, you cannot give your side unless we have- you're outnumbered 10 to 1, and they're all experts, and they have more airtime. 0.99

04:15:18.000 It's like, okay, then like, forget it, you know?

04:15:23.000 Don't you understand that if you have other opinions, you can be on YouTube, you can be on Twitter, you can be on Instagram, and you can reach as many people as you'd like, and you can use PayPal, and you can have a credit card processor, and you can make millions of dollars.

04:15:37.000 I am banned from everything.

04:15:38.000 I am blacklisted from everywhere.

04:15:41.000 I cannot access those platforms.

04:15:43.000 Myself, I cannot appear on those platforms as a guest.

04:15:48.000 I'm banned from CPAC.

04:15:49.000 I'm banned from the GOP.

04:15:50.000 I'm banned from most podcasts, even the ones that are sympathetic to me.

04:15:55.000 They don't even like my name being uttered aloud.

04:15:58.000 And then the mere idea that I would appear on one of these things God forbid and just like give my side of the story and they say no even on the even once in a blue moon when you can appear on a mainstream platform and it's a totally irregular thing it's a total miracle even then we have to assign somebody but not just anybody someone with tons of credibility and world expert and all this and they have to debate you

04:16:30.000 Are people really that afraid of the opposing opinion?

04:16:33.000 Like, no one can discern?

04:16:36.000 You can't find me anywhere.

04:16:37.000 I can barely fund my operation with the tools at my disposal.

04:16:40.000 Like, that's not good enough that I'm being drowned out by all the money and all the media in the world.

04:16:47.000 Again, offhand chance, I do get a larger audience, and you gotta have somebody to just be, like, pushing the entire time in the opposite direction.

04:17:01.000 It's like, that's so insane.

04:17:03.000 I think people don't even realize that.

04:17:07.000 How crazy that is.

04:17:08.000 Thanks for the super chat.

04:17:30.000 The KO for a Seventh-Day Adventist? 0.94

04:17:32.000 Well, those guys are charismatic, right?

04:17:35.000 Or am I thinking of other people?

04:17:37.000 I'm thinking of Pentecostals.

04:17:40.000 I don't know that much about SDAs.

04:17:42.000 I mean, they're really, like, they observe the dietary restrictions and I think their Sabbath is on, like, Saturday, right?

04:17:49.000 They got some funky beliefs.

04:17:54.000 I mean, look.

04:17:57.000 I don't think there's a KO argument.

04:17:59.000 I think that you're either open to it or you're not.

04:18:01.000 I don't think that religion is one of these things where you can, like, do... I mean, of course the arguments help get somebody along, but I think people have to be open to it.

04:18:09.000 I think a lot of Protestants are totally set in their ways. 0.84

04:18:14.000 It's cultural for them.

04:18:15.000 They have a deep affinity for it that you're not going to argue someone out of it.

04:18:22.000 Um, so you have to kind of start there and say, I don't, I don't think, I think it's the wrong way to approach this to say, you know, if I talk to such and such a person, if I just say the words in the right combination, you know, they will change their faith.

04:18:37.000 I don't think faith works that way.

04:18:39.000 I think that faith comes from grace, which comes from God.

04:18:42.000 And so it's not a question of, you know, our efforts.

04:18:46.000 It's a question of how open people are to that grace.

04:18:51.000 And, you know, the arguments can be a part of that, but it's really up to that person.

04:18:57.000 And as far as good arguments go, well, I would just go back to the fact that Catholicism is the only one that makes any sense.

04:19:09.000 From, uh, just in terms of what makes sense as a system, because, and I don't know, again, I don't know the theology of Seventh-day Adventists, I don't know all the different denominations, but the Catholic Church came first.

04:19:29.000 You have Jesus, Jesus has his apostles, and he anoints Peter to be the leader of them.

04:19:39.000 And Peter bases his church in Rome.

04:19:42.000 And the rest is history.

04:19:44.000 I mean, to me, it really is as simple as that.

04:19:49.000 That Peter was given the keys to bind and loose sins.

04:19:53.000 His name was changed.

04:19:54.000 That's not his birth name.

04:19:56.000 His birth name was Simon.

04:19:57.000 They changed it to Peter, meaning rock.

04:20:00.000 And then Jesus said, you are the rock.

04:20:04.000 Upon which I will build the church.

04:20:06.000 What a coincidence.

04:20:07.000 And everybody says that that means everything other than the obvious.

04:20:12.000 Hi, your name is Rock.

04:20:13.000 On this rock, I build my church.

04:20:15.000 And people say, no, they didn't mean him though.

04:20:17.000 They didn't mean Simon.

04:20:18.000 They mean somebody else.

04:20:20.000 They mean, they mean the collective.

04:20:22.000 How does that make any sense?

04:20:24.000 They renamed him Rock.

04:20:26.000 And he was given the keys and he's mentioned over a hundred times.

04:20:30.000 Mentioned more than any of the other apostles and

04:20:34.000 Like with Paul, one of the central figures.

04:20:37.000 And, of course, then it is the Catholic Church, led by Rome, which creates the Bible, which baptizes the Roman Empire. 0.84

04:20:51.000 And it's the biggest church.

04:20:53.000 It's the one with apostolic succession.

04:20:56.000 It's the one that has not been overcome by any other forces, you know, because you could say, well, the East Orthodox have apostolic succession, but they were overrun by Muslims. 0.99

04:21:07.000 Do we really believe that Christ's Church would be overrun by communists and Muslims? 1.00

04:21:10.000 I don't think so.

04:21:13.000 And also, the East Orthodox doesn't have Peter.

04:21:16.000 You know, Peter is in the Roman Church, so...

04:21:22.000 And then you go from there, Roman Catholicism is the only church that has the unity that comes from one leader.

04:21:32.000 And as a consequence, it's the only one that's coherent.

04:21:36.000 The Catholic Church, protected from error, protected from the gates of hell, promulgates one doctrine that a billion plus are compelled to follow.

04:21:48.000 And again, it's that church that has those four attributes.

04:21:51.000 It's one, it's holy, it's Catholic, it's apostolic.

04:21:56.000 For 2,000 years.

04:21:58.000 And it's united.

04:22:00.000 And then you have these people that say, well, no, it's the church that got overtaken by Muslims.

04:22:05.000 No, it's the church that started in the 16th century by a reformist.

04:22:10.000 No, it's the church that started in the 19th century by a new prophet in America.

04:22:14.000 No, it's the church that comes from, you know, from a derivative of a derivative of a derivative and there's like 10,000 people in it.

04:22:23.000 You know, so it's like what's what's the basis of authority for the Seventh-day Adventists?

04:22:27.000 What's the basis of authority for their interpretation?

04:22:30.000 How does that system make any sense?

04:22:34.000 So I always go back to the authority and the oneness of the church.

04:22:38.000 The authority which comes from Jesus.

04:22:40.000 The oneness which comes from the fact that we have a church that is united and the unity proceeds from the oneness of the Pope.

04:22:49.000 Meaning that, you know, if you have like in the East Orthodox, there's like five churches and they're debating it out and there's there's no clear leader with authority, you can promulgate different doctrines.

04:22:59.000 That becomes a problem eventually.

04:23:02.000 So for me, it's the oneness.

04:23:04.000 It's the succession, which is authority.

04:23:09.000 It's this understanding that the church created by Jesus preceded the Bible, which many Protestants, the Bible comes first in their face.

04:23:18.000 For Catholics, Jesus comes first, then the church he created, then the Bible that the church created. 0.66

04:23:24.000 Created by which church?

04:23:25.000 The Catholic Church.

04:23:28.000 And then there's all these other arguments about, you know, where in the historical development did these other denominations arise?

04:23:35.000 They're very recent.

04:23:36.000 Where does their authority over their interpretation of Scripture come from?

04:23:40.000 Then you have the problem of they have 66 books instead of 73.

04:23:46.000 And they have the Hebrew translation, the Masoretic text instead of the Septuagint.

04:23:52.000 So, for me, it's like the more you look into it, the more you realize it's Rome.

04:23:57.000 It has to be Rome.

04:23:58.000 It has to be the Catholics. 1.00

04:23:59.000 It's the only one that makes any sense.

04:24:02.000 Otherwise, you know, you just have to hope that you have the right Protestant sect. 0.95

04:24:07.000 I hope I'm in the right one, because if I'm in the wrong one, I go to hell.

04:24:10.000 How do I pick the wrong one?

04:24:11.000 Well, I hope the Holy Spirit tells me, but apparently the Holy Spirit is playing the telephone game, because the Holy Spirit is telling, and I don't mean to blaspheme the Holy Spirit, but I mean, you know,

04:24:22.000 To follow this argument, it would follow then that the Holy Spirit is telling everybody a bunch of different things, because they're telling the Lutherans one thing, and it's telling...

04:24:32.000 The Baptist's another thing, and it's telling the Catholics something else. 0.73

04:24:35.000 It's telling the Mormons something altogether different. 0.95

04:24:38.000 You know, so if the basis is like, oh, well, like, I'm gonna pick the right one, because, like, God is gonna tell me.

04:24:45.000 It's like, well, people will disagree, okay?

04:24:48.000 Naturally, people will disagree over time on these things.

04:24:53.000 And that will give birth to radically different sects, which are going to be dividing all the time.

04:24:59.000 And then it's like, okay, so I'm in an independent Baptist church of 50 people and this one is right because I think it is.

04:25:09.000 How does that work?

04:25:10.000 I don't know how that works as a system.

04:25:15.000 So that's why it doesn't make any sense to me.

04:25:19.000 Destiny's Nick Forever sent $3.

04:25:22.000 You and Destiny are the most formidable and intelligent debaters of our generation, and it's a shame to miss out on a well-articulated clash between ideologies.

04:25:29.000 No shot.

04:25:30.000 He's not... Formidable and intelligent?

04:25:36.000 He doesn't know where Israel is on a map.

04:25:40.000 He thought the Bible was written in Arabic.

04:25:43.000 That's a formidable debater?

04:25:45.000 Like, the guy has no deep background at all.

04:25:48.000 John Dave Irving sent $3, John Dave Irving will debate you on Tim Pool.

04:25:52.000 I'm off work for Malcolm X Day, so let's get it in motion. 0.98

04:25:59.000 Smitty Jackson sent $20, I'm a huge supporter of you and your message and have sent you over $3,000 dollars since I started watching you 4 years ago. 1.00

04:26:08.000 Shitting on me and calling me a liberal for not wanting to kill people for our betterment is complete bullshit. 0.99

04:26:13.000 In our ideal future where we control the country, why not be isolationist? 1.00

04:26:18.000 We've been over this. 1.00

04:26:20.000 You're too stupid to debate this. 1.00

04:26:22.000 Thank you for the money, but you're obviously out of your depth on this question. 1.00

04:26:28.000 And, uh... You're gay, also. 1.00

04:26:33.000 So I don't even know I'm talking to you because you're a certified homosexual. 1.00

04:26:38.000 Do you want us to not kill people overseas because you want to have gay sex with them? 1.00

04:26:42.000 Is that it? 1.00

04:26:42.000 Is it something like that? 1.00

04:26:45.000 You want these, uh, boy-lover societies to go on? 1.00

04:26:51.000 Honestly, you're a disgusting freak, and it disturbs me. 1.00

04:26:55.000 The depths of your depravity know no bounds. 1.00

04:26:58.000 You're a sick, what are you, a male-to-female transgender? 1.00

04:27:01.000 Are you on your estrogen? 1.00

04:27:02.000 You cooking up receipt paper and water?

04:27:04.000 Because you can't afford your pills, buddy?

04:27:08.000 You gotta get real, okay?

04:27:10.000 You gotta... All I'm gonna say is this.

04:27:11.000 You wanna debate?

04:27:12.000 This is my argument.

04:27:13.000 You need to get real, buddy.

04:27:15.000 This is the real world.

04:27:17.000 Wake up and smell the coffee.

04:27:20.000 Wake up and... smell reality, pal.

04:27:29.000 People die every day.

04:27:32.000 Wars go on.

04:27:33.000 And it's necessary.

04:27:35.000 And that is what America will do when we take power.

04:27:38.000 Yeah, absolutely.

04:27:48.000 John Smith sent $3.

04:27:50.000 Would you be a Goebbels or a Hitler in a future based America? 0.87

04:27:53.000 Genuinely curious on how you consider your strengths and weaknesses.

04:27:59.000 Zachariah Seed sent $3.

04:28:01.000 Also, it seems obvious Tucker has to be some type of agent.

04:28:05.000 His body language, mannerisms and demeanor always looks so fake, practiced and forced. 0.99

04:28:10.000 Like his laugh and the constant serious shit face. 0.99

04:28:14.000 I think it's more that his dad was a fed that is the evidence for this. 0.99

04:28:16.000 No, no, absolutely not.

04:28:18.000 That never happens.

04:28:18.000 Well, I wouldn't say it that way.

04:28:20.000 But I would just say, look, book me on the show or don't.

04:28:23.000 I don't need the waterworks.

04:28:39.000 But thank you for the big super chat, we love you, I'm Hoplite.

04:28:42.000 Putting the show on your back.

04:28:43.000 My guy.

04:28:45.000 Ralph Munoz sent $20, thanks for that, Nick.

04:28:49.000 FYI, Seventh Day Adventists are anti-Catholics by the way.

04:28:52.000 They're all anti-Catholic.

04:28:53.000 Appreciate you, a lot.

04:28:55.000 I want to continue supporting your movement by any means.

04:28:58.000 The least I can do is keep donating.

04:29:00.000 07 Well hey, thank you very much, I appreciate the support.

04:29:04.000 In what way was any of it taken out of context?

04:29:06.000 And in what way is it bad?

04:29:07.000 He doesn't know these things.

04:29:08.000 He looked at a video of

04:29:30.000 Erdogan, and said, oh look, that's Assad, the president of Israel.

04:29:36.000 So it's like three things he got wrong.

04:29:39.000 How is that bad faith or out of context?

04:29:41.000 Like he was just wrong.

04:29:42.000 He took a map quiz, which shows a map of the United States of America, and asks you, it prompts you, to label the states with the names of the states.

04:29:53.000 And he got half of it wrong.

04:29:55.000 How is that out of context or bad faith?

04:29:58.000 How can somebody opine on American politics and they cannot locate Virginia on a map?

04:30:05.000 That's kind of a big deal.

04:30:07.000 How can somebody have a serious debate about the Middle East and they don't know who Bashar al-Assad or Netanyahu or Erdogan or Arafat are?

04:30:17.000 Much less locate them on a map.

04:30:19.000 How can you talk about the geopolitics of the Middle East if you think Egypt shares a border with Russia?

04:30:23.000 Which he did.

04:30:25.000 How can you talk about the Middle East if you thought that Arabs

04:30:28.000 We're in the Levant in the 1st century.

04:30:32.000 The 1st and 2nd century, which is what you'd have to believe if you think... or even before that if you think the Bible is written in Arabic.

04:30:41.000 None of that is bad faith or out of context.

04:30:44.000 The guy just doesn't know what he's talking about.

04:30:48.000 Edgemaster69 sent $3.

04:30:50.000 Your presence on Twitter would be great with Elon Bolshevik posting RN.

04:30:54.000 Oh, he's Bolshevik posting. 0.93

04:31:00.000 Cactus Lamarter sent $3.

04:31:01.000 Do you get mad when Mexicans fly their flag in city?

04:31:05.000 Not really. 0.58

04:31:07.000 Thrax sent $3.

04:31:09.000 Peter was the Bishop of two seas, Rome and Antioch.

04:31:12.000 Bishop of Antioch is still Orthodox with direct line of succession from him.

04:31:17.000 What does not having Peter entail and is it historically consistent? 0.98

04:31:20.000 That's just a dumb argument.

04:31:23.000 We went over that in the day when Jay died. 0.97

04:31:24.000 Thank you, Jimbo.

04:31:25.000 Jimbo's the one that did the investigative work on this.

04:31:27.000 He knows what's up.

04:31:42.000 Destiny's Nick forever sent $3. 1.00

04:31:44.000 You're so ignorant and bad faith. 1.00

04:31:46.000 Just because Destiny is a liberal doesn't make him a retard. 1.00

04:31:50.000 Hess ATL East your IQ or more. 1.00

04:31:52.000 There's better criticisms of him than calling him stupid. 1.00

04:31:55.000 I'm not hearing any arguments. 1.00

04:31:58.000 You're just bitching. 1.00

04:32:00.000 Quit your bitchin', buddy. 1.00

04:32:02.000 Cause that's all you're doing. 1.00

04:32:03.000 You're just a whining bitch right now. 1.00

04:32:05.000 He is objectively stupid. 1.00

04:32:08.000 And I'm tired of pretending that he isn't. 1.00

04:32:10.000 There's nothing smart about him and he doesn't know what he's talking about.

04:32:13.000 That's just true.

04:32:14.000 And if you listen to him argue, you would know that. 1.00

04:32:19.000 And maybe the problem is that you're stupid. 1.00

04:32:21.000 I'm starting to gather that that's also the problem. 1.00

04:32:24.000 Is that you're stupid. 1.00

04:32:27.000 Destinysnk4 ever sent $3? 1.00

04:32:30.000 Have you seen the full clips? 0.99

04:32:31.000 Moron. 0.99

04:32:32.000 Yes, I watched the full clip of him failing a US map quiz. 1.00

04:32:37.000 Where's... I'm sorry, what's the missing context?

04:32:39.000 Please tell me.

04:32:41.000 ComputerZoomer sent $3.

04:32:43.000 I've been watching a lot of Catholic Answers and Trent Horn.

04:32:47.000 What do you think of Trent Horn?

04:32:49.000 He doesn't like you for being anti-semitic.

04:32:51.000 Well, he's a Jew, so, I mean, that makes sense, but... I think he's good for apologetics. 1.00

04:32:55.000 He's not red-pilled in any way, shape, or form, but he's good on Catholic apologetics.

04:33:01.000 So... Alright, look, I gotta get... I'm still doing a whole other stream tonight, or at least I plan to.

04:33:07.000 I don't even know... I mean, now I've been streaming for, like, a hundred hours.

04:33:11.000 So my plan is to still go live uh you know at some point tonight to do my show but this stream has been four and a half hours this is a long stream so I gotta call it there if I'm gonna do a show but that is my plan I may cancel because I'm like tired right now but the plan is for me to come back at some point tonight and do a show so

04:33:38.000 Stay tuned to the Telegram.

04:33:39.000 I may do it, I may cancel.

04:33:41.000 I've been streaming for a long time, so I might actually cancel, but we'll see.

04:33:45.000 So that's that.

04:33:46.000 I'm gonna have to end it there.

04:33:48.000 That's my stream.

04:33:50.000 But hey, listen, you know, a lot of this stuff I'm playing around.

04:33:52.000 I hope you guys know, for the Rumble audience that's watching, and I'm gonna give a one-time disclaimer.

04:34:01.000 When I go back and forth to Super Chatters, you can't take it personally.

04:34:06.000 This is part of the show, okay?

04:34:08.000 So if there are some boomers watching on Rumble, this is part of the fun. 0.98

04:34:13.000 It's combative, it's edgy, so don't take it too personally.

04:34:18.000 I love all of you guys.

04:34:20.000 I hope you know.

04:34:20.000 Even if you don't love me, I love you guys.

04:34:23.000 I'm not, you know...

04:34:26.000 We're playing it up.

04:34:27.000 We're playing it up for the content.

04:34:29.000 It's supposed to be fun.

04:34:30.000 So, hope you don't take it too personally.

04:34:32.000 But I appreciate everybody watching the stream.

04:34:34.000 This is my biggest stream on Rumble yet.

04:34:37.000 Nearly 15,000 live viewers.

04:34:39.000 Huge, huge stream.

04:34:41.000 Beating the competition.

04:34:43.000 No check mark.

04:34:44.000 No front page.

04:34:46.000 Being censored for years.

04:34:48.000 So I really appreciate all the support.

04:34:50.000 Make sure to follow me here on Rumble.

04:34:51.000 Smash the follow button.

04:34:53.000 Smash the like button.

04:34:55.000 And tune in tonight.

04:34:56.000 I do a show every night.

04:34:58.000 And I'd like to do another Rumble exclusive maybe tomorrow about Patriot Front, so stay tuned.

04:35:05.000 I don't know if I'll do it tomorrow or sometime this weekend, but I'd like to do another one of these maybe tomorrow.

04:35:11.000 We got a lot of exciting content coming up this year.

04:35:13.000 We're working on a brand new studio, really relaunching the show.

04:35:17.000 Things you're just not prepared for, so... Things, you know, I gotta prepare for.

04:35:22.000 I gotta start doing my show on time, but anyway.

04:35:27.000 Somebody says in the live chat, I'll be back on Monday.

04:35:29.000 Hey, I'm trying my best here, okay?

04:35:31.000 It's a lot of content.

04:35:33.000 But that's gonna do it for me.

04:35:35.000 Thanks to our Super Chatters.

04:35:36.000 Special thanks to John Dave Irving, Electrician Groyper, Andy.

04:35:42.000 Let's see, anybody else that I missed?

04:35:47.000 I think that's it.

04:35:50.000 Okay.

04:35:52.000 So that's that.

04:35:53.000 I got a few more here.

04:35:54.000 I'll read them on the show.

04:35:55.000 So there's like three more I didn't get to.

04:35:57.000 I have to cut it off.

04:35:58.000 I'll read these on my show tonight, or if I come back tomorrow, I'll read them tomorrow.

04:36:02.000 Okay?

04:36:03.000 But that's gonna do it for me.

04:36:04.000 Thanks everybody for watching.

04:36:05.000 Hope you enjoyed the stream.

04:36:08.000 Good stuff.

04:36:09.000 Follow me if you're not already.

04:36:10.000 Let me pick an outro song to play us out here.

04:36:15.000 I think we'll do a little Vultures, okay?

04:36:16.000 The Vultures listening party at United here in Chicago.

04:36:20.000 So we'll do a little theme here.

04:36:22.000 Alright.

04:36:25.000 Thanks everybody!

04:36:26.000 Have a great night!

04:36:27.000 I'll see you guys later.

04:36:47.000 We're good to go.

04:37:04.000 My heart broke.

04:37:04.000 I like that a lot.

04:37:06.000 Time, time moving slow.

04:37:09.000 I ain't tripping though.

04:37:12.000 I thought you had to know.

04:37:13.000 Time moving slow.

04:37:16.000 I just thought you had to know.

04:37:17.000 Time moving slow.

04:37:20.000 You are the only thing that felt like home.

04:37:23.000 How I thought I had it all.

04:37:28.000 Going through the messages that start on my phone with questions like,

04:37:43.000 DJ Phat! 0.51

04:38:24.000 We good to go.

04:38:41.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's real radio.

04:38:42.000 It's all good.

04:39:07.000 Don't eat shrimp, for real.

04:39:09.000 Hey, big record breaker.

America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - February 08, 2024

PUTIN x TUCKER Interview

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