00:01:55.000I'm going into other things, writing, putting in a value, FFFFF, you know, all doing all these crazy computer tricks.
00:02:01.000You know, I'm really, people that say I'm boomer tech, I'm jumping through all these hoops, following all the right steps to a T, and nothing's working.
00:04:12.000I thought, like I said on the show, like a great man, Nick Fuentes once said, it's easier to destroy something than it is to create.
00:04:19.000And I thought, you know, am I going to punch a hole through my monitor like I've done at least three other times before with other monitors?
00:04:26.000I did smash my keyboard a few times, but it's fine.
00:06:26.000But first, we have to talk about the news because there was a big development yesterday, which was President Trump canceling the talks with North Korea.
00:06:35.000And if you haven't heard already, it was pretty much everywhere yesterday.
00:06:39.000And basically, to give you a little summary of what happened, in a matter of hours, I was proven right.
00:06:46.000You know, before people could even reach me to say, Nick, can you explain this one?
00:06:53.000Nick, how's Trump going to get out of this one?
00:06:55.000Before people could even reach me, it had already been solved.
00:07:18.000Then they had a press conference a little bit later in the morning.
00:07:21.000So I stayed up to watch that and went and got lunch with a friend of mine who was in town who's going to be working on some new music projects for America First.
00:07:45.000And within the time that it took for them to reach me, you know, finally reading the messages, North Korea already came out with a statement saying, We'll meet with him anytime.
00:07:56.000But so, for those that haven't really followed it too closely, I'll give you the brief timeline of events how we got here, what led up to it, what has happened since the summit got called off.
00:08:08.000It's actually, maybe it was better that we didn't talk about it yesterday because now you get the whole story, basically.
00:08:15.000And so, what happened was last week, it had been going well for a long time.
00:08:18.000Late March, I think it was March 23rd, it's announced by President Trump and the South Koreans at the White House that North Korea has extended an invitation for a meeting.
00:08:46.000There were all kinds of bilateral meetings between President Trump and the Japanese Prime Minister, between President Trump and other European and Asian leaders.
00:08:55.000They set up the details with Mike Pompeo, who made a trip there first, April 1st, and then made a second trip later on, I think in early May.
00:09:03.000And then Kim Jong Un made a second trip to China by plane in early May.
00:09:08.000And this is when the tone started to change.
00:09:09.000Whereas things had been going well for a long time, the hostages were released.
00:09:14.000Three South Korean American hostages were released by North Korea to the United States.
00:09:21.000They announced they were going to demolish one of their nuclear sites.
00:09:30.000Then Kim Jong Un went to China a second time.
00:09:32.000And then the tone changed a little bit.
00:09:34.000Then we got a lot more provocative rhetoric.
00:09:37.000And then about a week ago, it really started to go sour when North Korea canceled a planned meeting that they had, a high level meeting they had planned with South Korea last Wednesday.
00:09:51.000And the point of the meeting wasn't really that big of a deal.
00:09:53.000It was just to establish some kind of connection for reunification with families and clearing the way for further diplomacy between the two countries.
00:10:05.000And they said, we haven't been treated well.
00:10:07.000We don't like the rhetoric that we've heard from the United States.
00:10:09.000And they said the stated issue that they had was that John Bolton had mentioned the Libyan model when talking about North Korea, which, of course, we disarmed Libya in 2003, shortly after the Iraq War, where Muammar Gaddafi had been developing a nuclear weapons program.
00:10:27.000George W. Bush basically gave a very secretive threat to the Gaddafi government in Tripoli and said, if you don't give up the nuclear weapons, all hell could break loose.
00:10:37.000And whether or not it was a bluff or not, They ended up giving up their nuclear weapons program.
00:10:45.000And that was supposedly the model that John Bolton had suggested for North Korea.
00:10:50.000The problem, however, is that eight years after Libya was disarmed, there was regime change in Libya under the Obama administration with NATO airstrikes.
00:10:58.000They took out Gaddafi, and they still don't have a government there.
00:11:02.000And so for John Bolton to mention that we would do the Libyan model of North Korea, although it refers to the 2003 disarmament, which was successful.
00:11:11.000Which we would probably want to implement something similar to that with North Korea.
00:11:15.000The problem is that, of course, the reason Gaddafi wanted an arsenal was to protect them from the very kind of regime change that he fell victim to without a nuclear arsenal.
00:11:24.000So to say that North Korea, we'd like to do this to you, well, what's the implication?
00:11:29.000We'd like to disarm you so that if we feel like it, we could destroy you at a later date.
00:11:34.000And so North Korea said, yeah, this is a big problem.
00:11:55.000If that was bad enough, they threatened that the summit could even happen.
00:11:58.000And then on Wednesday, they called Mike Pence a dummy.
00:12:02.000Mike Pence said, in response to the Libyan model comments in a speech, he said that we'd only be looking at the Libyan model if Kim Jong un doesn't denuclearize.
00:12:15.000So Mike Pence, I guess he took the gloves off and said, you know, look, if you're not going to shape up, kind of revert it back to the old style, well, then it is going to look like the Libyan model.
00:12:24.000After Trump clarified, it is not the Libyan model.
00:12:27.000And so, in response to that, a member of the foreign ministry came on in an interview with Fox News and said that Mike Pence is a dummy and said that if we didn't confront the U.S. in a summit, we'd confront them in nuclear war and a nuclear showdown.
00:12:42.000And the rumors and reports are that President Trump only decided at the very last minute to cancel the summit yesterday morning was because he wanted to do it before the North Koreans did.
00:12:54.000And of course, that's kind of the whole point of canceling the summit, the North Koreans.
00:12:59.000Wanted to flex their muscle, whereas they had been seen, I think, by the world community and by the press as having given up a lot of things.
00:13:06.000They gave up the hostages, they blew up the nuclear site.
00:13:09.000Without anything in return from the United States, they were seen as going into that summit with the weaker hand, as though the outcome had already been decided.
00:13:19.000You know, the media played it up like either Trump had already done it or, well, South Korea was responsible for already doing it, but they had already taken the victory lap.
00:13:28.000They counted the chickens before they hatched.
00:13:30.000And by doing that, I think they put a lot of pressure on North Korea to flex their muscle and challenge the United States and say, look, this is not how it's going to go.
00:14:29.000So Donald Trump dictated this letter personally.
00:14:32.000Very brief here, and this was yesterday morning at about 9 43 a.m.
00:14:36.000He wrote, Dear Mr. Chairman, we, whoops, and I can't even highlight here, but he says, We greatly appreciate your time, patience, and effort with respect to our recent negotiations and discussions relative to a summit long sought by both parties, which was scheduled to take place on June 12th in Singapore.
00:14:53.000We were informed that the meeting was requested by North Korea, but that to us is totally irrelevant.
00:15:15.000And then additionally, but to us, is totally irrelevant, which that's a slight to North Korea.
00:15:20.000That's saying, you know, we don't really even care.
00:15:23.000I was very much looking forward to being there with you.
00:15:25.000Sadly, based on the tremendous anger and open hostility displayed in your most recent statements, I feel it is inappropriate at this time to have this long planned meeting.
00:15:36.000Therefore, please let this letter serve to represent that the Singapore summit, for the good of both parties, but to the detriment of the world, will not take place.
00:15:46.000He says, You talk about your nuclear capabilities, but ours are so massive and powerful that I pray to God they will never have to be used.
00:15:55.000That's another important sentence there because that's, of course, an implicit threat.
00:15:59.000We're kind of hemming and hawing, going back to the old style, but maintaining the new style.
00:16:04.000Notice how it all comes together the synthesis of a very aggressive, very provocative, but at the same time, something that is muted and diplomatic.
00:16:11.000And you can have it both ways with Trump.
00:16:14.000You can have it both ways when you have a good negotiator, where he says that the.
00:16:17.000At once, he says, I was very much looking forward to being with you, and it's to the detriment of the world, but it's for the good of both parties that the summit should not take place.
00:16:27.000Very cordial, very fine, but at the same time, you've got this message of it's totally irrelevant to us, and you talk about your nukes, but we would basically nuke you, and it would be a horrible thing.
00:16:38.000He says, I felt a wonderful dialogue, and here we go again, the other side.
00:16:42.000I felt a wonderful dialogue was building up between you and me, and ultimately, it is only that dialogue that matters between you and me.
00:17:35.000And of course, people who are a little bit more seasoned, i.e., me and people who think like me, who have been taught to think like me by me, saw this as a negotiating tactic.
00:17:59.000This is merely a negotiating tactic in the same way that North Korea threatening to pull out of the meeting was, right?
00:18:05.000And Trump always wrote about this in The Art of the Deal, and we talked about this earlier in the week that you have to be willing to walk out of the deal.
00:18:13.000You have to be willing to walk away from the table.
00:18:15.000And the only way to demonstrate that is to do that at least one time.
00:18:19.000And so the North Koreans were threatening it, threatening it, threatening it.
00:18:22.000And I think this was probably the best move at the time.
00:18:25.000Before the North Koreans could cancel, it was smart for us to cancel and demonstrate to them that we don't need to make a deal.
00:18:31.000We have maximum pressure on North Korea.
00:19:03.000They tried to embarrass the president.
00:19:05.000They tried to show him up and one up him and posture before the summit by threatening it with the intention that Trump would be so hungry for a Nobel Prize, so hungry for this great foreign affairs achievement, that he would go along with whatever they would give him.
00:19:19.000That they'd be able to give him the runaround, they'd be able to say these provocative things, host a meeting that probably would have been a further embarrassment, and that he'd go along with it.
00:19:27.000Or at least maybe that wasn't the intention, but it is a shit test in that sense.
00:19:32.000And so Trump, I think, did the best thing by.
00:19:34.000Demonstrating a great deal of dominance by, and remember, this was the morning that foreign journalists were at the nuclear test site where North Korea was blowing it up to prove to the West that they were in good faith in having these talks.
00:19:49.000So you have foreign journalists in North Korea, they're giving their third concession.
00:19:54.000Their first concession was no missile tests and no nuclear tests.
00:19:58.000Their second concession was we're going to give up these hostages.
00:20:01.000Their third concession was we'll blow up the nuclear test site.
00:20:04.000So, you have the same morning that they give their third concession.
00:20:19.000And so, we made this big statement, which I rightly pointed out was exactly what it turned out to be, which is four dimensional chess, which was a demonstration in North Korea that we won't be bullied.
00:20:30.000The only place that we will negotiate from is a position of strength.
00:20:43.000I think you have to look at the totality of it to understand what a power play that was in the sense that it happened the morning they were making concessions, a big slap in the face.
00:21:22.000At first, it was only available in Korean.
00:21:26.000But if you read through it, and it's a pretty lengthy one, it's a lot longer than Trump, so I'm not going to read the whole thing.
00:21:31.000But there's nothing really provocative in here.
00:21:33.000There's nothing really that stands out as aggressive or hostile like the previous messages.
00:21:38.000I mean, they really changed their tone.
00:21:40.000From Wednesday, they called Mike Pence a dummy, and they said, We're threatening to call this off, and all the rest will meet you in a nuclear showdown.
00:21:49.000And they've turned now to the U.S. side's unilateral announcement of the cancellation of the summit, which makes us think over if we were truly right to have made efforts for it and to have opted for the new path.
00:21:59.000You know, is that really a big change of tone?
00:22:03.000We are unchanged in our goal and will do everything we could for peace and stability of the Korean Peninsula and humankind.
00:22:09.000And we have all the willingness to offer the U.S. side time and opportunity.
00:22:15.000They also said somewhere in the statement, let me try and find it for you here.
00:22:20.000They said at some point that they would move forward with it at any time that they were ready.
00:22:25.000They said, and there's another big compliment here for the president.
00:22:28.000They say, as far as the DPRK U.S. summit is concerned, we have inwardly highly appreciated President Trump for having made the bold decision, which any other U.S. presidents dared not and made efforts for such a crucial event at the summit.
00:22:42.000So you have a very great and positive message, whereas Trump said it's irrelevant, we're going to nuke you, all this kind of stuff.
00:22:48.000North Korea said, actually, you're really bold.
00:22:54.000And at some point here, I'm trying to find it in the statement.
00:22:56.000I should have highlighted it beforehand, but they said that they'd be willing to do it at any time.
00:23:00.000And so, a much more muted statement from North Korea.
00:23:03.000And I think that just goes to show that, of course, this is what works.
00:23:08.000This is the only language these people understand.
00:23:10.000This is really the only language anybody understands, to be honest.
00:23:14.000And it's interesting how so many people turn into Wilsonians, so many people turn into liberal idealists about foreign affairs when it's Trump.
00:23:25.000And let's move on to, I guess, an analysis portion of just this entire episode before we get on to Trump's comments from today, because this is all yesterday.
00:23:34.000People at first blamed John Bolton when the letter came out.
00:23:38.000They said, and here, let me get rid of these statements so you can see me.
00:23:41.000You can see my epic hand gestures here.
00:24:39.000The premise is that had John Bolton not brought up the Libyan model, the North Koreans would have gone forward with the summit and they would have voluntarily given up their nuclear weapons in a way that was verifiable, irreversible, and complete.
00:24:53.000That would have gone on without a hitch, without any effort to posture on the part of the North Koreans, any effort to gain the upper hand.
00:25:02.000It would have just been smooth sailing from March until June, where there had been 60 years of hostility.
00:25:10.000And North Korea was true to their word that they would have given up all their nuclear weapons completely, totally, irreversibly, verifiably.
00:25:18.000They were moving right along with that.
00:25:20.000They would have sat down with Trump, given them all up without any effort to posture, any effort to gain the upper hand, any effort to save face.
00:25:27.000But then John Bolton brought up Libya.
00:25:53.000We're going to have to make a big stink about this.
00:25:55.000I mean, just think of it for a moment.
00:25:57.000No rational person, no serious person, believes that the North Koreans are being completely honest when they say, That the reason they made a big spectacle, a big tantrum about John Bolton's statement was because of John Bolton's statement.
00:26:15.000And these are the same people that will tell us when Iran says death to America and they burn our flag, oh, don't believe them.
00:26:22.000When they say we're going to nuke America, that's just rhetoric.
00:26:26.000But when North Korea says the reason that we're canceling the summit or we're threatening to cancel it is because of John Bolton, they say, yup, yup, yup, John Bolton said it.
00:27:03.000But it is to say that we have to be reasonable.
00:27:06.000We have to think about these things critically.
00:27:08.000We have to think about what is likely, what is probable.
00:27:10.000And what's probable here is that North Korea saw themselves as being backed into a corner in terms of the media had said, look, they've already made these concessions, and the expectation is they would go forward with denuclearization.
00:27:23.000And that meant different things to both parties.
00:27:26.000To the United States, it means complete, irreversible, verifiable.
00:27:57.000And in doing so, we indirectly communicated what will not be an acceptable nuclear deal.
00:28:03.000Whereas maybe the North Koreans had it in mind that denuclearization meant something like Iran, where they maintain the infrastructure, they maintain some capability, but they're just really limited in how quickly they'd be able to achieve a breakout nuclear capability.
00:28:17.000So there's a big disagreement on what denuclearization means.
00:28:20.000Of course, maybe it's something about that.
00:28:22.000But just generally speaking, we're heading for a big negotiation where big things are on the line.
00:28:27.000And in any kind of deal, When you have two opposing sides, and it's fundamental, it's a zero sum game in the sense that their two objectives are diametrically opposed.
00:28:54.000And so, if North Korea comes out and they say, oh, well, screw the U.S., we're going to call up the summit, all the rest, this is a technique.
00:29:02.000And when they bring up John Bolton, this is really irrelevant.
00:29:05.000It's really arbitrary what contention they're bringing up.
00:29:08.000They could bring up any number of things.
00:29:09.000They could say the Iran deal is the reason why we're thinking about pulling out.
00:29:14.000They could say that Trump's rhetoric about China is why we're pulling out.
00:29:17.000They could say any number of things, but that's really not the point.
00:29:22.000It's good rhetoric, it's excellent rhetoric, and that's why so many people eat it up.
00:29:26.000That's why people who, if it conforms to their worldview, they'll eat it up.
00:29:31.000Because North Korea tries to, for propaganda purposes, Posit themselves as the resistor to the imperialist American system.
00:29:38.000And so North Korea says, Oh, well, we're not canceling the talks because we're being ruthless, realist negotiators who want to extract any kind of goodies and concessions out of this as we can, because that wouldn't fly very well.
00:29:52.000That wouldn't go over very well in the press and for the people of the world.
00:29:55.000Instead, they'll say, Actually, you know what?
00:29:58.000How could we go through with this when they're mentioning the Libyan model and look at the Libyan model?
00:30:02.000And so, in order to extract assurances from the U.S., That, oh, no, no, actually, regime change is off the table.
00:30:09.000We would never do something like that.
00:31:49.000You know, Daily Caller, I think it was, reported that John Bolton.
00:31:52.000Or maybe it was Fox News, I forget, but it was one of these outlets close to the White House that said John Bolton was the one behind the letter.
00:31:59.000John Bolton pressured the White House and all the rest.
00:32:01.000Well, how do they get a message like that from the White House?
00:32:04.000Well, it has to come from the White House.
00:32:06.000Now, do you think Donald Trump has something to do with what comes in and out of the White House?
00:32:09.000Do you think that all the leaks are accidental, or do you think that some of them maybe are planned?
00:32:14.000Let's just keep in mind the possibility, the potentiality that some of the leaks that come out of the White House are from Trump himself.
00:32:22.000I mean, let's just think about that for a moment.
00:32:24.000Let's entertain the hypothetical that at least one leak.
00:32:26.000Could have come from the White House by design.
00:32:29.000Would it be in Trump's interest to push the blame for this onto somebody else?
00:32:34.000Would it behoove Trump to appear formless to the North Koreans, not wedded to the idea of a summit, but also not wedded to the idea of military intervention?
00:32:45.000Would it behoove him to go into this summit or this further negotiation with the North Koreans, not really knowing where he stands?
00:32:51.000That, well, you know, John Bolton maybe made him cancel this, and maybe John Bolton wants regime change, but hey, Mattis says he doesn't want it, but what does Trump think?
00:32:59.000And Trump said, the only important dialogue is between me and you, between Trump and Kim Jong un.
00:33:09.000And so I think that really changes the dynamic when people say, oh, well, it's John Bolton who pressured him into it.
00:33:15.000We're maybe assuming a lot of intentionality.
00:33:17.000We're projecting, I think, a lot of planning on their part.
00:33:22.000And I'm not suggesting totally that that's the case, but I think there is definitely a strategic benefit.
00:33:26.000I think that's why John Bolton is in the White House in the first place.
00:33:30.000I think there's definitely a strategic benefit in a negotiation to have this formlessness, to have this idea that, well, every action that has been taken might have been from somebody else.
00:33:41.000Maybe it was from Trump, but maybe it wasn't.
00:33:44.000And maybe Trump really wants to sit down, but John Bolton convinced him not to.
00:33:48.000Maybe he really wants military action, but Mattis convinced him not to.
00:34:02.000And this is where four dimensional chess comes in.
00:34:04.000In a lot of ways, it really is four dimensional because you think about quantum.
00:34:09.000To go on an extended analogy or to go on an extended metaphor, my big brain people will appreciate this.
00:34:16.000So, the basis of quantum mechanics here, and I'm butchering this, I'm sure, but the idea is that electrons, when they're floating around in atoms, they're in two states.
00:34:28.000They can be in waves, but they can also be in particle.
00:34:33.000And this is obviously contradictory because they can't be both at once, right?
00:34:36.000I mean, some electrons are observed as particles, meaning that's very definite, it's very solid, and some are observed as waves, which means it's all kinds of different potentialities.
00:34:48.000And there was an experiment done, and basically the experiment showed that if electrons are observed, they become particles.
00:34:54.000If not, it's all possibilities at once.
00:34:57.000And so this lends a lot of credence to the idea that there's all kinds of potentialities, and only when we make decisions, only when we observe things, Only when decisions happen is history determined.
00:35:08.000Otherwise, really, anything could happen at any moment, and maybe everything does happen.
00:35:12.000And in the same way, and this is an extended analogy, it's a big brain analogy, but in the same way, Trump can be in two places at once.
00:35:19.000At once, he could be, I want military aggression.
00:35:23.000I want to invade North Korea, and we're so serious about it.
00:35:26.000But at the same time, he could be, I hate war.
00:35:33.000And in doing these different kinds of things, in putting it on John Bolton, in writing a statement that is at once so provocative, threatening nuclear war, but at the same time saying, We'd love to meet with you, you can be in two places at once.
00:35:46.000And depending on which one North Korea pursues, It's whatever they want.
00:35:51.000If North Korea pursues the diplomatic route, it was diplomatic all along.
00:37:21.000I'm always right about this kind of stuff because we look at the evidence, we think very hard about it, and we're able to predict very closely.
00:37:28.000If Trump was dead set on military intervention, would he be talking like this?
00:37:33.000If they'd like to do it, you know, they'd like to do it, we'd like to do it.
00:37:37.000In other words, basically admitting they're playing games and we're playing games, which at once says all that provocative statements, yeah, we'll let that go.
00:37:46.000And hey, if that's games, hey, that's just games with us too.
00:39:58.000It's very troubling that he's there, but Trump is firmly in control of the administration as evidenced by all these comments.
00:40:05.000And there's really just, I can't take anybody seriously anymore who continues on with this line that, you know, Trump is owned by the neocons.
00:44:12.000I think people, to explain the context of where President Trump is, People say that's rationalization, that's mental gymnastics, that's excuses, but of course it is simply the reality.
00:44:24.000As you said, we're dealing with 100 years of entrenchment.
00:44:27.000We're dealing with at least 60 years of Zionist entrenchment.
00:44:31.000We're dealing with at least 50 years of military industrial complex entrenchment.
00:44:35.000We're talking about 25 to 30 years of multinational corporation entrenchment.
00:44:40.000I mean, the system is broken, the interests are entrenched to an extent we're not even particularly sure.
00:44:46.000You have the intelligence community, you have all these different interests there in the White House.
00:44:51.000And on top of that, on top of the fact that everybody's pushing in one direction, at the same time, the apparatus of the state is massive.
00:45:00.000The Defense Department is the biggest organization in the world.
00:45:03.000The Pentagon is one of the most well funded organizations in the world.
00:45:07.000And so not only do you have interest pushing and pulling in all different directions, but at the same time, you have personnel and money that is simply very challenging to control by one individual.
00:45:18.000If you don't have people that are on board executing these decisions at every level, It is very difficult to write a massive ship.
00:45:25.000You know, they compare it to like an aircraft carrier, turning an aircraft carrier as opposed to turning like a small speedboat.
00:45:31.000And so I think if you look at what he's done in that context of what he's up against, what a Herculean feat it is to move anything at all.
00:45:40.000And he's made tremendous progress, more than tremendous progress.
00:45:43.000And as an outsider, too, who isn't even experienced in exercising the levers of power.
00:45:48.000And so people say, oh, that's making excuses, that's a rationalization, that's the reality.
00:45:53.000And everybody will tell you all day long.
00:45:57.000These people are so powerful, X, Y, and Z.
00:45:59.000But at the same time, when Trump doesn't deliver exactly the way they want, on time, flawlessly perfect according to their imagination, their wildest dreams, they say, You're the president.
00:46:34.000Because, you know, so often we hear, you know, if you're talking about mainstream media, we hear all about the Saudis and nothing about the Israelis.
00:46:41.000In alternative media, or at least this kind of alternative media, you hear everything is Israel and nothing is anybody else.
00:46:47.000And everybody else is a saint except for Israel and our government, right?
00:46:51.000And so I would say that they're both sizable influences, massive influences.
00:46:56.000I mean, you think about Saudi Arabia, Saudi Aramco, which is one of the most powerful.
00:47:04.000When they become a public company, I think next year or the year after, it'll be, I think, the most valuable company publicly traded in the world.
00:47:11.000And they've got something like trillions of dollars in oil reserves that nobody knows how great they are.
00:47:17.000And so you think about just the size of that wealth, and you have freelancing princes who use it pretty autonomously.
00:47:23.000They exercise a great deal of influence in our government over our congressmen, over past presidents, the State Department, even the Education Department.
00:47:32.000And the Israelis don't have as much money, but they do a lot with a little.
00:47:35.000They do a lot with their connections because, of course, Jewish people are very well connected in America, and they're always willing to help out Israel because Israel is always willing to help out them.
00:47:45.000You know, people are quick to point out the difference between left and right wing Jews, but they ignore the fact that, for example, Harvey Weinstein contracted former Mossad spies to spy on the women that he was harassing.
00:47:56.000So, of course, it exists the connection between these people.
00:47:59.000And so, I think they're both massive influences.
00:48:03.000I would say that the Saudi influence in terms of punching power, in terms of just sheer magnitude, is probably greater because when all else fails, just buy it, just pay for it.
00:48:14.000You know, the Israelis are stronger because they've infiltrated.
00:48:35.000And I would say that the Israeli lobby is probably more detrimental because, you know, Saudi Arabia, we've had a deal with them since the 1940s.
00:48:44.000This went under place with Franklin Roosevelt and John D. Rockefeller in exchange for.
00:48:49.000Getting their oil, we gave them a security guarantee.
00:48:51.000We didn't have these big problems in the Middle East until the Zionists infiltrated in the 1990s and the 2000s.
00:48:56.000So I would say they've achieved about parity at this point in time, but Israel is probably more detrimental.
00:51:05.000Okay, I see what you're saying, but the high class slaves, the top of the class, the best, they were able to gain their freedom.
00:51:18.000Well, I'm not, notice, I'm not arguing that they were not eventually materially better off.
00:51:24.000I think very few people would deny that blacks being brought over to America, although in my Christian view, it's immoral that they were brought over here in that way, and I was wrong and a mistake.
00:51:35.000I think it's simply beyond doubt that you look at the blacks that came out of slavery in the 1860s, and as bad as it was, and it was bad, discrimination, they were set back a long way because they didn't own any property, they didn't have any skills or anything like that, no roots, they're in a foreign land, you know?
00:51:52.000And so, although they were not well off, they were certainly better off than people in Africa.
00:51:58.000I think that's basically, I don't think that's disputable.
00:52:01.000But to say that it's not oppression, I mean, what I talk about when I talk about, particularly for the Amaranth speech, the point was that.
00:52:10.000About Generation Z and how they were different.
00:52:12.000I said the formative experiences of Generation Z is completely dissonant with the rhetoric that we hear, which is to say that the rhetoric for my whole life has been blacks are oppressed, Hispanics are oppressed, minorities are oppressed.
00:52:25.000And that is simply the opposite of the case.
00:52:27.000And so the point was to say that the formative experience of the boomer, and, you know, I know who was it who contested this at the actual speech?
00:52:59.000They saw very well, firsthand, what happened to black people, and it was not a pretty picture.
00:53:06.000And so, as somebody that has parents who have seen real racism, and that's why a real discrimination, real prejudice, Racism doesn't mean anything, but they saw real bad things happen to the other side.
00:53:18.000I think it's much, they're much more susceptible to arguments about how, you know, the excesses of racial consciousness for white people can be really bad because they saw it and it would be totally within their experience.
00:53:30.000But to Generation Z, it's totally outside our experience.
00:53:33.000So we hear that kind of stuff and that doesn't strike a chord with us.
00:53:52.000If you look at how disproportionate crime was, even back in Mississippi during Jim Crow, the prison rates for blacks were about what they are today.
00:54:07.000It's usually just like, I don't know, they get crazy with it.
00:54:11.000I'm always on the offensive when I hear racist.
00:54:15.000I'm sitting there rubbing my hands thinking, oh, I'm going to get this guy.
00:55:11.000But the sentiment, I think, is undeniable that materially speaking, you look at the conditions in Africa and you look at the conditions here, even at the worst times, and it's hard to say which is better.
00:55:23.000And it's ironic because a lot of black thinkers and activists will say, well, we were freed from slavery to be put in the slavery of no opportunities, right?
00:55:42.000Well, I mean, what's the situation in Africa?
00:55:44.000You were free to get killed by your own people, free to get genocided, free to get your head chopped off, and to not have clean drinking water, to not have any infrastructure, not have any technology, not have law and order.
00:55:56.000And so you look at even the conditions shortly after slavery, even the conditions in slavery, in many cases, and they were materially better off.
00:56:05.000That's not to say it was right, it was not right.
00:56:08.000It was wrong and a shameful thing that happened, really a shameful thing.
00:56:12.000That I think if you look at any of the founders' writings, they were ashamed of it and they understood that that was the point.
00:56:18.000But nevertheless, to simply look at it on a quantitative level, you know, it's pretty clear which place was better off.
00:56:27.000But let's bring in another caller here.
00:57:48.000I don't really keep up with the left very much.
00:57:50.000I also don't keep up with Marxists very much.
00:57:52.000But I know enough about them to know what the critiques are, to know why they have no chance at thriving or succeeding in America or why they're problematic.
00:58:02.000And the same is true with the alt right.
00:58:04.000All you have to do is take a look at MSU, Gainesville, Charlottesville.
00:58:09.000I mean, just look at this pattern of behavior, which is aggressively refusing to learn from their mistakes.
00:58:16.000And that alone is enough to write them off.
00:59:40.000So, what I'm saying is they haven't learned from past mistakes, which is that they will not get out of their own way to talk about their ideas and present them in such a way that is favorable to people.
00:59:51.000And you say, oh, well, but on the daily Shoah, they said they're not going to do rallies where they yell, Jews will not replace us with torches and look like the KKK.
01:00:09.000And look, you know, some of it is good content.
01:00:12.000You know, I've listened to some, I don't listen to it like religiously, but James showed me a few episodes when we were still partners.
01:00:19.000And some of it's good content, but when I talk about failure to learn from their mistakes, they will not step away from the bad labels, the bad optics, these bad things.
01:02:19.000Backpedaling, you keep like watering down the message.
01:02:22.000Eventually, it's just going to keep, you know, it's eventually going to trickle down the line to you, Nick.
01:02:26.000You've already, you've already like suffered a lot of consequences from your like not even as far extreme right as like Richard Spencer is.
01:02:36.000And you feel it already, but like that level of degrees.
01:02:39.000It's a matter of degrees, of course, as with anything.
01:02:42.000I don't think optics are going to help you.
01:03:33.000Like, if you get doxxed, I don't want to get doxxed, but like a public figure, after they get doxxed, then they can really speak their mind, you know?
01:03:39.000Once you push away, like, once you push away the social stigma behind and you, like, just throw away the optics and start actually, like, spewing the truth.
01:03:47.000And Nick, some of the things you say are true.
01:03:49.000I'm not trying to say you're not telling the truth here.
01:03:51.000But, like, when you actually start saying the real truth and you're not scared about that, you know, like, That's when you do it.
01:03:56.000But, like, if you're so concerned about optics, you're scared about it's not about being scared of anything.
01:04:40.000I thought the same thing because I said, you know, look, you can look at people like Christina Hoffsommers, where they go and protest her stuff anyway.
01:04:47.000And people get deplatformed all the time for saying things half as bad as some of the worst people.
01:05:00.000But then eventually I came around to this just a basic understanding as somebody who's been operationally committed to making this happen that your opportunities are severely restricted once you go a certain path in such a way that it no longer becomes beneficial to, you know, quote unquote, the movement to talk about it, excuse me, in such a way.
01:05:21.000You know, we want to achieve our goals.
01:05:23.000If we want to achieve our goals, we have to attain power.
01:05:27.000If we want to attain power, we have to get elected.
01:05:29.000If we want to get elected, We have to make normal people vote for us, like our ideas, respect us.
01:05:35.000To get that to happen, we need infrastructure.
01:05:39.000And once you go from goal oriented ideology or goal oriented worldview, you can find your way back to what is the best way I can conduct myself to facilitate those goals.
01:05:53.000If your goal is we want to decrease immigration, for example, or we want to do X, Y, and Z.
01:06:02.000And you extrapolate it out from we want power, we want to get elected, we need to appeal to normal people, we need the instruments and mechanisms to appeal to normal people.
01:06:10.000And then you start thinking, how can we make all those things happen in that order?
01:06:15.000And the best way to do that is to take a message which is kind of all over the place and kind of ugly and censored and at times very vulgar and coarse and turns a lot of people off.
01:06:26.000How do we put it in the right package?
01:06:28.000And how do we get it out to the masses in such a way that it still has integrity, but they are getting the memo?
01:06:35.000Essentially, and it's actually being distributed.
01:06:38.000And that's basically been the project of this show because you look at somebody like Richard Spencer or you look at somebody like Chris Cantwell, and I disagree with them on a lot of things, and I've been very vocal about that.
01:06:47.000Chris Cantwell, who, you know, he's said it all and he's been to jail, but he said it all.
01:08:01.000I just think where we differ is that, you know, I think being authentic and being, you know, being like, you know, just being completely not saying you aren't authentic, but just not watering down the message and just saying the truth is, you know, it's the truth.
01:10:07.000I always feel bad when I do the majority of the talking, but I just feel like that is a common, maybe a misconception about where I stand on that issue, where for various reasons, whether it's people not quite understand the calculus behind it or people, Deliberately don't understand it.
01:10:26.000I'm not saying that was him, but there are people out there that try and goad people into doing or saying certain things that are not wise.
01:10:48.000You know, the reason that we went this route, the reason I went this route, as opposed to keeping my mouth shut, going on Fox News and talking about the glory of the free market, is because I think there's a value in preaching an authentic and a genuine nationalist message.
01:11:03.000So I don't want people to think that I'm self censoring or anything, but we know that there are parameters.
01:11:23.000You know, it sounds like fence sitting, but it's, you know, like with Trump, it's simply the reality.
01:11:27.000We push as hard as we can on many issues, and I've never shied away from the controversial ones.
01:11:32.000You know, the ones that the alt right touches, we talk about racial differences, we talk about Jewish influence in media, we talk about Zionism, we talk about all kinds of things, the third rail that you're not supposed to touch.
01:11:43.000And we don't have the same prescription for those issues, and I don't even think we look at them in the same way.
01:11:52.000But I think one side, and maybe you need that, but one side has, in my estimation, very stupidly given up a lot of opportunities and a lot of momentum because they wanted to appease the most pure, or not even the most pure, because that implies that they're more honest than us.
01:12:08.000But the more extreme elements, the more out there elements, violent elements.
01:12:12.000And in an effort to appeal to those people who don't have jobs, who don't have resources, who don't have connections, I don't even think they have two brain cells to rub together.
01:12:21.000But in an effort to appeal to the gab posters, they've lost the country.
01:12:35.000They have to put aside their preferences, anyways, and listen to our message.
01:12:41.000And they have to find us on Gab or on Libsyn or on whatever.
01:12:46.000And they have to really commit to it, really commit to learning it.
01:12:48.000Whenever we do a live stream and whatever that is and all the rest, they have to put aside all this baggage, make all this progress.
01:12:55.000And then, even when they come here, we're going to say, You're not extreme enough, you're gone.
01:12:59.000You know, and so I think very stupidly they've conducted themselves in such a way that they've done just about everything to narrow and shrink the influence of their movement.
01:13:09.000And I don't think that's an accident, by the way.
01:13:12.000They've appealed explicitly to people who can't do anything for them at the expense of people who can do a lot of things for them.
01:13:19.000You know, the kind of people they don't like are people that are verified on Twitter, people with a lot of followers on Twitter, people with a lot of followers on YouTube, people who make a lot of money, people who are professionals.
01:13:31.000People who wield influence in media or government or whatever, people in elected office, all these people they say have to be in on it.
01:13:38.000All these people they say have to be in on the take, and so they're not legitimate.
01:14:53.000If they just countered these narratives with healthy debate, which I think there is a debate to be had and good answers for their questions, if they had done that, you wouldn't have this searching, you wouldn't have this phenomenon.
01:15:04.000But when you find all this new information, you go, oh my God, I've never seen this.
01:17:48.000The reason that the government is the government is because they have power, they have guns, and they have legitimacy.
01:17:53.000The people think they have a right to be in charge.
01:17:56.000And so that the Constitution, Is backed by power and has legitimacy, or that our government derives its legitimacy from the Constitution is a big deal.
01:18:07.000And that the UK is parliamentary sovereignty, that they're subjects is another big thing.
01:18:13.000Where in the UK, they could take the guns, take the speech rights, all the rest, and they can't say boo, you're left with very little defense legitimately.
01:18:20.000And that's why the UK and that kind of rigid system of government is much more dangerous because.
01:18:29.000When you get in a position like they are in now, the only way that they can right the wrongs is through illegitimate outside the system means.
01:18:36.000The only way they can overturn something like this is through insurrection, is through challenging the authority and legitimacy of the government, because there's no mechanism for the people to redress their grievances.
01:18:49.000And so when you have that kind of a system where the people cannot change their government like we can through a ballot box, like we can in a civil, through the system way, it becomes much more fragile.
01:19:42.000I mean, that's the whole thing the monarchy has basically, well, to an extent, they have a lot of power.
01:19:48.000You know, since that Magna Carta, they don't have that much power anymore.
01:19:52.000But no, I mean, they would have a lot of purview if they simply exercised it.
01:19:56.000I mean, they draw a lot of legitimacy from the monarchy, but I don't know what it is, whether it's Masons or it's, you know, intermarriage with a certain ethnic clan, or I don't know what it could be, but they've got big problems.
01:23:09.000And I don't think there's an argument to be had there.
01:23:12.000I think it's definitely like when it comes down to facts, life was definitely a higher quality of life here, even in slavery than they would have had in Africa.
01:23:25.000I think in the long run, we did them a favor, whether or not people regret that favor today.
01:23:32.000And, you know, it's interesting because, you know, a big problem we have is individualism, and people will look at slavery and they'll say, you know, And it was a terrible thing, but they'll say, you know, well, to get to arrive at the point, the slaves came here, and now you have people, their descendants are here, and their descendants have opportunities unimaginable to them because of that voyage.
01:24:00.000And so, if we're looking at it at the totality of it, if we're looking at it holistically, you can't ignore the fact that if they weren't here, they would be having it a lot worse in Africa.
01:24:12.000Not only they'd be, even if they didn't come here, even they were coming to Brazil as they were.
01:27:35.000So, for those that don't know what we're talking about, the Irish just voted to repeal, I think it was their Eighth Amendment, which makes abortion legal, by overwhelming margin 66%, I think, in favor of repealing.
01:27:47.000And 86% of 18 to 25 year olds voted in favor of it.
01:27:51.000And Andrew Quaxon was like, oh, beast Generation Z. Different country.
01:27:56.000And that's not even Generation Z, but I know what you mean.
01:28:06.000Not to post about video games too much, but my freaking favorite franchise, at least when I was in middle school and high school, Battlefield.
01:28:14.000It's like, yeah, really awesome changes going on there.
01:29:18.000It's just, it's so disappointing that they feel the need to capitulate to people who aren't going to buy their game anyway.
01:29:26.000I think it sort of relates to what you were talking about earlier this week about the Boy Scouts and how these people just have this like sick fascination with trying to sell products to people or services to people who like will hate them regardless of what they do.
01:29:43.000Like, If you look at the like to dislike ratio on the trailer that came out, it's like 50 50.
01:29:49.000Like, people overwhelmingly, fans of the series hate it, you know.
01:29:53.000And of course, you get a lot of people, it's like, oh, it's not because the women, it's because of uh, it's unrealistic in other ways.
01:29:59.000It's like, no, it's because the women, but yeah, well, and you got to think, um, you know, we always hear whenever something like this happens, we always hear, uh, it's not a big deal, it's not rewriting history, it's just a video game, or you know, when they do Hamilton.
01:30:15.000And it's all, it's the black cast performing as George Washington, whatever.
01:30:26.000No, you know, we got female instant combat.
01:30:29.000We're not erasing history, it's just a video game.
01:30:31.000And we've moved to a point where just about every part of the culture is, and even with the BBC, where they were doing their history shows, where they were just changing the races, the characters.
01:30:41.000At what point are we rewriting our history?
01:30:44.000At what point are we just warping our vision of history to accommodate progressive and modern social standards?
01:31:05.000And that's why these differences can't be reconciled because it's two different visions of the world.
01:31:09.000The left always used to say, you know, well, these things are disagreeable now, or we understood why they happened then, but we should just try not to do it now.
01:31:16.000People now, they want to rewrite, they want to go back, change, and it's a totalitarian ideology.
01:31:22.000So it's a serious thing, but yeah, it's dumb.
01:33:26.000I mean, unfortunately, the culture has a big impact on it.
01:33:30.000I mean, you've seen in America, which is a great example, there was a lot of Catholic sentiment, more so before the founding of the country than there was after, but there was vicious hatred of Catholics.
01:33:43.000I mean, one of the justifications for the revolution at the time in the late 18th century was.
01:33:49.000This conspiracy that went around that the king of England was actually a crypto Catholic and that the Anglican church had been subverted by Rome.
01:33:58.000And that was one of the reasons how they differentiated the colonies from Great Britain and from the United Kingdom.
01:34:05.000And so that was why there was a lot of stuff going on in the early days.
01:34:10.000But towards the middle of the 19th century, you started to see an Americanization trend where even though you still had Catholics and you had a lot of them, to kind of get around this anti Catholic bias and an attempt to Normalize it.
01:34:29.000Fulton Sheen came a lot later in the mid 20th century.
01:34:32.000And you had Catholics that integrated Catholicism into the broader American culture, which was a Protestant culture.
01:34:38.000They say that American culture is Protestantism without the religious aspect, without God, I guess.
01:34:46.000And that's essentially what Catholicism took on, the character it took on in America is American culture, a very Protestant culture, derivative of Protestant values and theology, but with the Catholic theology.
01:34:58.000A similar case in many countries where the culture, and this is not how it's supposed to work.
01:35:02.000It's supposed to work the opposite way that the church is supposed to lead the way and change the culture, resist the culture, resist the present trends and wherever they are, whatever time they are, place.
01:35:12.000But the opposite has happened where you have very conservative countries like Italy or Poland or Hungary, and that's because they have a very conservative culture.
01:35:20.000And so in many ways, I think it's more reflective of where the people are at, but shouldn't be that way.
01:35:28.000I mean, the fact that every priest and just preach.
01:35:31.000In Ireland, before this abortion vote, and got people to not vote for abortion.
01:35:37.000I mean, they said like 50% or some of the Catholics voted for, you know, repealing the amendment and allowing abortion.
01:35:43.000I mean, the fact that so many Catholics would basically be in schism doing that and no one even tried to stop it, I mean, these, they're very subversive.
01:35:51.000I can't really imagine these are authentic people.
01:35:54.000Well, and Catholicism has unfortunately, you look at any of the numbers on Christianity in America, additionally, you look at any of the numbers about church attendance or anything like that, religious belief.
01:36:05.000In America, if you look at any of the numbers on that, it looks like there's a decline of religiosity and Christianity because a lot of these numbers in gross terms are going down.
01:36:14.000But if you actually look at any of the data, it's all, all of it, for the most part, is driven by Catholics.
01:36:20.000Like the reason so many of the numbers go down is because Catholics are turning away from religious devotion, from Orthodox religious beliefs.
01:36:28.000And I think you have to blame that on Vatican II.
01:36:32.000I think you have to blame a lot of that on the papacy because, you know, the Catholic Church used to be these are the rules and that's it.
01:36:38.000And if you don't like them, it's fire and brimstone.
01:36:42.000And ever since they got lax, ever since there was this appeasement of the modern world, people have turned away as a real consequence of that.
01:36:51.000And that's why you get Catholics who think, you know, I'm for abortion, but I can still be Catholic.
01:39:44.000And, yeah, just something on that note is how do you rationalize your current pursuit in life over a more religious pursuit, be that the priesthood, apologetics, philosophy of the church, stuff like that?
01:41:09.000But I don't know if He sends me a sign.
01:41:11.000I would always, you know, we always got to do what He says.
01:41:13.000But, you know, if He sends me a sign that's irrefutable, like if I wake up tomorrow and it's like there's a cross burned into my chest and it's, you know, be a priest, you know, then I'll be, all right, all right, all right, I'll be a priest, you know.
01:43:01.000But for people like me, it's a little bit tougher.
01:43:04.000I always tried to maintain a very fine line between vicious personal attacks, but also, you know, kind of like a subtle reminder that, you know, you have somewhat of a responsibility.
01:43:16.000So, you know, my problem with Lauren Southern, not that I have a problem with her, but it became very public that things had happened.
01:43:24.000And my issue was that she rationalized it, that she justified it.
01:43:27.000And of course, people will say it's her life, it's her decisions.
01:43:40.000And so my problem was not that things have happened.
01:43:44.000If everybody was held up under a microscope and everything that wasn't totally conforming to their ideology or religious beliefs held up for scrutiny, I don't think anybody would pass that test.
01:43:54.000But the problem is she came out and said it was okay in my case.
01:44:01.000In my case, it was okay because of X, Y, and Z.
01:44:03.000And that was really the issue that I had because people.
01:44:06.000Look up to other people as role models.
01:44:09.000And so, you know, I've had other people make mistakes and they don't go out and say, oh, you know, it's actually a great thing and blah, blah, blah.
01:44:16.000They say, you know, we're ashamed of it.
01:44:54.000And I don't like to instigate because if you had a problem with everybody who was not living a perfect Catholic life, you'd have no allies.
01:45:03.000But that said, that was an issue I took during the Trad Thought controversy.
01:45:08.000My real issue is with Tara McCarthy, not Lauren Southern.
01:45:11.000Compared to Tara McCarthy, Lauren Southern's a saint.
01:45:14.000But Tara McFaddy, who I like to call her, I have a big fat problem with her.
01:47:34.000Peter Teff says, Nick, big guy, I got an America First MAGA exclusive for you.
01:47:39.000The NDAG and the ND Bureau of Criminal Investigation and FBI were spying on North Dakotans using our data to shore up Cambridge Analytica's algorithms.
01:48:01.000Scotticus says, Hey, Nick, loving the show.
01:48:04.000I know you tend to discourage video gaming, but have you seen the Battlefield 5 trailer?
01:48:08.000It seems like another SJW revisionist history of World War II with women and non segregated blacks on the front lines of a white man's war.
01:48:16.000Well, I think that is the problem for a lot of people it's just downright disrespectful how many white men died in that fight.
01:48:24.000And there were, don't get me wrong, there were others as well in World War II, and other people died in World War II.
01:48:29.000But predominantly, the great tragedy of World War II was the fact that.
01:48:33.000Tens of millions of young white men died.
01:48:36.000And sure, other things happened as well.
01:48:38.000I mean, I'm not saying those were the only people that suffered, but predominantly, this was the suffering that went on in terms of just gross numbers.
01:49:07.000It's just disrespectful to the sacrifice.
01:49:10.000I mean, imagine during the draft one day you're with your high school sweetheart, you know, you're getting ready to start a great life together, and then they pick a number out of a hat, and the next thing you know, you're off to war in Europe, getting blown to smithereens on a beach somewhere.
01:51:07.000I think for our country, it has to be a constitutional republic.
01:51:10.000I think, you know, you can't say it's a one-size-fits-all.
01:51:14.000As long as you have institutions that serve the various functions that a government is supposed to carry out, I think it's largely dependent on the kind of people, because surely you wouldn't say, not completely, that a monarchy would work in Africa.
01:53:17.000The interplay between the different branches of government, the different levels of government, and the different factions are balanced enough that no one party can dominate the other for very long and get away with it.
01:53:29.000And also, it ensures that all the reform happens within the system.
01:53:35.000And this prevents anarchy, this prevents revolution, violence, this intrastate conflict, which is very deadly.
01:54:35.000I don't really like to say, hey, come meet me IRL, you know, in a physical location where you could beat or stab me, because a lot of people would like to do that.
01:54:51.000And Model UN was not for homosexuals, okay?
01:54:54.000I stomped diplomatically, of course, on many homosexuals.
01:54:59.000They just didn't really have the teeth for it in many cases.
01:55:02.000And actually, a lot of them, because I had such diplomacy, well, that's going in a weird direction already.
01:55:07.000But because of my diplomatic finesse, the women, the homosexuals, it was very easy to get along with these people in Model UN because these were the people that they were the easiest to schmooze.
01:55:44.000And Ignatius and UC Lab was like the autistic kids.
01:55:47.000They exploited the rules ruthlessly, they were like robots, they churned out papers like it was crazy.
01:55:54.000And you showed up and you had to write your own resolutions there because it was like, you know, you go up, you debate the issue, and given what people say and the direction of debate, then you write a resolution.
01:56:04.000They would show up with like binders of research, binders of pre written resolutions, which is against the rules, by the way, but they do it anyway.
01:56:12.000And they would just beat us through sheer force.
02:00:37.000Thank you to everybody who called in on the phone, demonstrated by my hand here, everybody who did a Streamlab, and everybody who did a Super Chat.