America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - Quantum Chess with North Korea | America First Ep. 171

00:00:05.000 Good evening, everybody.

00:00:06.000 You are watching America First.

00:00:09.000 My name is Nicholas J. Fuentes.

00:00:11.000 We're back, finally, for a great casual Friday episode.

00:00:16.000 I'm here.

00:00:17.000 And we're back, by the way, with no errors, no mistakes.

00:00:20.000 Finally, all the technology is fixed.

00:00:23.000 I'm in my cool summer shirt, fun, casual summertime shirt for casual Friday.

00:00:30.000 And we've got a huge episode for you.

00:00:32.000 We're talking all things North Korea.

00:00:34.000 We're taking your calls on the Discord. 0.84

00:00:39.000 And it's going to be great.

00:00:40.000 It's going to be great.

00:00:41.000 This time, we're going to get it right.

00:00:42.000 We're going to get it right tonight.

00:00:44.000 We had a big issue yesterday, which, if you haven't been following on twitter.com, we had a big problem with the computer.

00:00:53.000 I was all set.

00:00:54.000 I was all ready to go, ready to do the show as I normally am, fire up the computer, fire up the streaming software, and everything.

00:01:01.000 We're ready to go.

00:01:04.000 And the internet's not working, not connected to the internet.

00:01:06.000 I don't have a Wi Fi adapter or anything like that.

00:01:09.000 It's just.

00:01:10.000 Just the Ethernet cable, and that's the only way I get my computer hooked up to the Internet.

00:01:15.000 So I'm thinking, oh, okay, you know, this is probably just a small thing.

00:01:19.000 I'm sure if I refresh it, if I restart it, if I, you know, mess around with it.

00:01:24.000 And I'm going, and it's taken me, I'm going for hours, excuse me, for one hour, two hours, three hours, trying every trick in the book.

00:01:32.000 And of course, I had a debate, more of a discussion, really, with Halsey on JF last night.

00:01:40.000 And so I couldn't really spend that much time on it.

00:01:41.000 I was working on it.

00:01:42.000 From 6 until 7, from 7 until 8.

00:01:45.000 Finally, it was like 8 o'clock.

00:01:46.000 I was about to go live.

00:01:48.000 I said, I'll have to put this on hold.

00:01:50.000 Trying everything.

00:01:51.000 I'm going in, I'm putting in code.

00:01:53.000 I'm in command prompt.

00:01:55.000 I'm going into other things, writing, putting in a value, FFFFF, you know, all doing all these crazy computer tricks.

00:02:01.000 You know, I'm really, people that say I'm boomer tech, I'm jumping through all these hoops, following all the right steps to a T, and nothing's working.

00:02:09.000 And so I go, I do the GF stream.

00:02:11.000 You know, it's great.

00:02:12.000 I go on with Halsey.

00:02:13.000 We're on there for about an hour and a half.

00:02:16.000 Come back, I'm working on it for another few hours.

00:02:18.000 I'm working on it well into the night, until like 2 a.m.

00:02:22.000 Wake up the next day, have some things to take care of, other things, and then I'm back at it at 3 o'clock.

00:02:27.000 I'm working on it.

00:02:28.000 I got like three different people I'm talking to.

00:02:31.000 On Twitter, I'm DMing my man Lynch, my Nibba, who helped me figure it out finally.

00:02:37.000 I'm texting some other people, and we're trying to get it together.

00:02:41.000 ATT's on the phone.

00:02:42.000 I call them, and it sounded like a robot, but also it sounded like a person.

00:02:47.000 I couldn't tell, so I just hung up.

00:02:48.000 I said, I'm not going to play that game with them.

00:02:51.000 I'm on the internet.

00:02:52.000 I'm on like 10 different websites trying everything.

00:02:54.000 And then finally, finally, my buddy Lynch says, you know, if you have a USB adapter, just plug the Ethernet into the USB adapter.

00:03:03.000 So I'm like, okay, I'll give it a shot.

00:03:04.000 Plug it in, boom, everything's fixed, it works.

00:03:08.000 And so, but that's why we weren't there last night.

00:03:10.000 And I was so pissed because the whole week, the whole week, there was nothing to talk about.

00:03:17.000 We're taking things that are a week old and stretching them.

00:03:21.000 And that's when I earned the money, by the way.

00:03:23.000 You know, it's very easy when something big happens and everybody got something to say about it.

00:03:28.000 You get on, you say, Oh, here's my opinion on North Korea.

00:03:30.000 Here's my opinion on this.

00:03:32.000 You really earn your money when it's day in, day out, when there's nothing to talk about for days.

00:03:37.000 You know, that's when you really earn it.

00:03:39.000 And so all week, I'm stretching things.

00:03:41.000 Finally, something big happens.

00:03:43.000 The day they cancel the summit with North Korea, I, you know, We have the internet problem.

00:03:50.000 So I was all ready to go.

00:03:51.000 I had my hot takes.

00:03:52.000 I'm all fired up.

00:03:54.000 And the internet's not working.

00:03:55.000 My hands hurt because of how many times I slammed on the table.

00:04:00.000 I actually did something very productive with my anger.

00:04:04.000 You know, normally I go for the wall.

00:04:06.000 Normally I, you know, just break something.

00:04:08.000 But today I said, you know what?

00:04:10.000 I calmed down.

00:04:11.000 I took my own advice.

00:04:12.000 I thought, like I said on the show, like a great man, Nick Fuentes once said, it's easier to destroy something than it is to create.

00:04:19.000 And I thought, you know, am I going to punch a hole through my monitor like I've done at least three other times before with other monitors?

00:04:26.000 I did smash my keyboard a few times, but it's fine.

00:04:26.000 Am I going to?

00:04:29.000 You know, great deal. 1.00

00:04:31.000 I guess when they sell them at Walmart, they anticipate there's going to be some chimping out maybe. 1.00

00:04:35.000 But I said, you know what? 1.00

00:04:37.000 So, I took a pillow and I was smashing the pillow against the couch, and that made me feel a lot better.

00:04:42.000 And I didn't break anything, but I was furious.

00:04:44.000 I was livid because I wanted to get the content out to my knickers, to my loyal fans who love it.

00:04:51.000 I mean, really, people just wait all day, sit around waiting around.

00:04:55.000 You know, they don't have jobs, they don't really have much.

00:04:57.000 It's just they wait for Nick to come on, and he didn't come on yesterday.

00:05:01.000 You know, there was still content for Halsey, but so I was very upset.

00:05:05.000 I couldn't provide you the content, the hot takes, but it's okay.

00:05:09.000 We're back today with a huge episode, and the computer's fixed.

00:05:13.000 Everything's fixed.

00:05:14.000 Everything's okay.

00:05:15.000 I can calm down.

00:05:17.000 You know, that error notice, it was like Ethernet cannot, well, what did it say?

00:05:23.000 I forget.

00:05:24.000 You know, that's how it goes, I guess.

00:05:25.000 It said like Ethernet cannot properly connect to IP configuration.

00:05:31.000 That message has got to be worse than the globalists, the Satanists, the pagans, all of that combined.

00:05:37.000 My greatest enemy so far.

00:05:39.000 And I thought to myself, you know, maybe I'll just have to quit doing the show.

00:05:43.000 I couldn't fix it.

00:05:43.000 I was like, you know, maybe it's just time to pack up the bags.

00:05:46.000 Maybe it's just time to end America first.

00:05:48.000 If I can't even get the internet to work, you know, why even bother going on?

00:05:53.000 I'll just have to go off into the woods and become anarcho primitivist and live in a cabin with no electricity.

00:06:00.000 I said, you know, maybe that's just what it takes.

00:06:03.000 But that's okay.

00:06:04.000 We're back. 1.00

00:06:04.000 We're still eating Zogchow. 1.00

00:06:06.000 We're still addicted to our phones.

00:06:08.000 We're all good.

00:06:09.000 We thought we were going to have to go into the woods, but not anymore.

00:06:11.000 Now we're back.

00:06:12.000 So.

00:06:13.000 We're talking about North Korea.

00:06:15.000 We're going to get into the news.

00:06:16.000 We're going to get very hot for the hot takes and very serious.

00:06:21.000 But then we're going to take calls and we're going to have fun.

00:06:23.000 We're going to have a little fun.

00:06:25.000 And it should be a good time.

00:06:26.000 But first, we have to talk about the news because there was a big development yesterday, which was President Trump canceling the talks with North Korea.

00:06:35.000 And if you haven't heard already, it was pretty much everywhere yesterday.

00:06:39.000 And basically, to give you a little summary of what happened, in a matter of hours, I was proven right.

00:06:46.000 You know, before people could even reach me to say, Nick, can you explain this one?

00:06:53.000 Nick, how's Trump going to get out of this one?

00:06:55.000 Before people could even reach me, it had already been solved.

00:06:59.000 It had already been vindicated.

00:07:00.000 Because, you know, I saw the announcement and I actually got a good night's sleep the other night.

00:07:07.000 Got my sleep schedule back on track.

00:07:09.000 We're doing okay, you know?

00:07:10.000 And I was waiting around.

00:07:11.000 I was doing some work.

00:07:13.000 And then, um, And then I saw this announcement happen.

00:07:16.000 It was at 9 43 a.m. yesterday.

00:07:18.000 Then they had a press conference a little bit later in the morning.

00:07:21.000 So I stayed up to watch that and went and got lunch with a friend of mine who was in town who's going to be working on some new music projects for America First.

00:07:29.000 And then I took a nap.

00:07:31.000 Okay.

00:07:32.000 So I fired off my hot takes.

00:07:33.000 I did the press conference.

00:07:35.000 Nobody really reached out to me.

00:07:36.000 Took a nap.

00:07:37.000 Wake up.

00:07:38.000 And there's all these DMs like, oh, Nick, what's, how are you going to explain this one?

00:07:42.000 At Nick J. Fuentes.

00:07:43.000 How can you explain this?

00:07:45.000 And within the time that it took for them to reach me, you know, finally reading the messages, North Korea already came out with a statement saying, We'll meet with him anytime.

00:07:53.000 We'll meet with Trump anytime.

00:07:54.000 Had already been vindicated.

00:07:56.000 But so, for those that haven't really followed it too closely, I'll give you the brief timeline of events how we got here, what led up to it, what has happened since the summit got called off.

00:08:07.000 And there's been a lot going on.

00:08:08.000 It's actually, maybe it was better that we didn't talk about it yesterday because now you get the whole story, basically.

00:08:15.000 And so, what happened was last week, it had been going well for a long time.

00:08:18.000 Late March, I think it was March 23rd, it's announced by President Trump and the South Koreans at the White House that North Korea has extended an invitation for a meeting.

00:08:29.000 And that Trump accepted it.

00:08:31.000 They first had the South Koreans deliver the message, and then Trump said that he had accepted.

00:08:36.000 And things were going great.

00:08:37.000 Then Kim Jong un went and visited China on a train.

00:08:41.000 That was the first China visit, and that was in April.

00:08:44.000 Kim Jong un went to China by train.

00:08:46.000 There were all kinds of bilateral meetings between President Trump and the Japanese Prime Minister, between President Trump and other European and Asian leaders.

00:08:55.000 They set up the details with Mike Pompeo, who made a trip there first, April 1st, and then made a second trip later on, I think in early May.

00:09:03.000 And then Kim Jong Un made a second trip to China by plane in early May.

00:09:08.000 And this is when the tone started to change.

00:09:09.000 Whereas things had been going well for a long time, the hostages were released.

00:09:14.000 Three South Korean American hostages were released by North Korea to the United States. 0.52

00:09:21.000 They announced they were going to demolish one of their nuclear sites. 0.99

00:09:24.000 Things were going very well.

00:09:25.000 They set the date and time, which would have been June 12th in Singapore.

00:09:28.000 And things were going great.

00:09:30.000 Then Kim Jong Un went to China a second time.

00:09:32.000 And then the tone changed a little bit.

00:09:34.000 Then we got a lot more provocative rhetoric.

00:09:37.000 And then about a week ago, it really started to go sour when North Korea canceled a planned meeting that they had, a high level meeting they had planned with South Korea last Wednesday.

00:09:48.000 They canceled it on Tuesday.

00:09:50.000 The meeting was for Wednesday.

00:09:51.000 And the point of the meeting wasn't really that big of a deal.

00:09:53.000 It was just to establish some kind of connection for reunification with families and clearing the way for further diplomacy between the two countries.

00:10:03.000 But North Korea canceled it.

00:10:05.000 And they said, we haven't been treated well.

00:10:07.000 We don't like the rhetoric that we've heard from the United States.

00:10:09.000 And they said the stated issue that they had was that John Bolton had mentioned the Libyan model when talking about North Korea, which, of course, we disarmed Libya in 2003, shortly after the Iraq War, where Muammar Gaddafi had been developing a nuclear weapons program.

00:10:27.000 George W. Bush basically gave a very secretive threat to the Gaddafi government in Tripoli and said, if you don't give up the nuclear weapons, all hell could break loose.

00:10:37.000 And whether or not it was a bluff or not, They ended up giving up their nuclear weapons program.

00:10:42.000 It was verifiable.

00:10:43.000 It was irreversible.

00:10:45.000 And that was supposedly the model that John Bolton had suggested for North Korea.

00:10:50.000 The problem, however, is that eight years after Libya was disarmed, there was regime change in Libya under the Obama administration with NATO airstrikes.

00:10:58.000 They took out Gaddafi, and they still don't have a government there.

00:11:02.000 And so for John Bolton to mention that we would do the Libyan model of North Korea, although it refers to the 2003 disarmament, which was successful.

00:11:11.000 Which we would probably want to implement something similar to that with North Korea.

00:11:15.000 The problem is that, of course, the reason Gaddafi wanted an arsenal was to protect them from the very kind of regime change that he fell victim to without a nuclear arsenal. 0.59

00:11:24.000 So to say that North Korea, we'd like to do this to you, well, what's the implication? 0.77

00:11:29.000 We'd like to disarm you so that if we feel like it, we could destroy you at a later date.

00:11:34.000 And so North Korea said, yeah, this is a big problem.

00:11:37.000 We're canceling the meeting.

00:11:38.000 They came out with a very provocative statement the next day saying that they would move forward with the meeting.

00:11:44.000 But they would not be backed into a corner.

00:11:46.000 They would not be abused and bullied and forced into a corner unilaterally to give up their nuclear program in exchange for nothing.

00:11:53.000 They got very nasty this week.

00:11:55.000 If that was bad enough, they threatened that the summit could even happen.

00:11:58.000 And then on Wednesday, they called Mike Pence a dummy.

00:12:02.000 Mike Pence said, in response to the Libyan model comments in a speech, he said that we'd only be looking at the Libyan model if Kim Jong un doesn't denuclearize.

00:12:11.000 And so that's basically a threat.

00:12:13.000 And things had gotten sour.

00:12:15.000 So Mike Pence, I guess he took the gloves off and said, you know, look, if you're not going to shape up, kind of revert it back to the old style, well, then it is going to look like the Libyan model.

00:12:24.000 After Trump clarified, it is not the Libyan model.

00:12:27.000 And so, in response to that, a member of the foreign ministry came on in an interview with Fox News and said that Mike Pence is a dummy and said that if we didn't confront the U.S. in a summit, we'd confront them in nuclear war and a nuclear showdown.

00:12:41.000 They got very hostile.

00:12:42.000 And the rumors and reports are that President Trump only decided at the very last minute to cancel the summit yesterday morning was because he wanted to do it before the North Koreans did. 0.75

00:12:54.000 And of course, that's kind of the whole point of canceling the summit, the North Koreans.

00:12:59.000 Wanted to flex their muscle, whereas they had been seen, I think, by the world community and by the press as having given up a lot of things. 0.82

00:13:06.000 They gave up the hostages, they blew up the nuclear site.

00:13:09.000 Without anything in return from the United States, they were seen as going into that summit with the weaker hand, as though the outcome had already been decided.

00:13:18.000 And I blame the media for that.

00:13:19.000 You know, the media played it up like either Trump had already done it or, well, South Korea was responsible for already doing it, but they had already taken the victory lap.

00:13:28.000 They counted the chickens before they hatched.

00:13:30.000 And by doing that, I think they put a lot of pressure on North Korea to flex their muscle and challenge the United States and say, look, this is not how it's going to go. 0.52

00:13:39.000 We have to save face, in essence.

00:13:41.000 Either it's saving face or it's strengthening their bargaining chip or it's posturing before the summit.

00:13:48.000 Whatever it is, they're playing games in this negotiation that is set to take place in about two weeks.

00:13:55.000 And so they were all ready to do the summit.

00:13:57.000 They were threatening to back out of it.

00:13:58.000 Trump said, you know what?

00:13:59.000 Let's just call it off.

00:14:01.000 And I'll read you the letter right now.

00:14:02.000 I'll pull it up on the screen and I'll read you exactly what was said there.

00:14:06.000 And then we'll get into a little bit of analysis on the initial letter and then what happened after that.

00:14:11.000 So let me pull up in the display capture or the window capture.

00:14:16.000 I've got it all set up.

00:14:18.000 The technology is good today.

00:14:22.000 So let me bring it up here and we'll read you the letter here from start to finish.

00:14:26.000 It's not long.

00:14:28.000 And so let's pull it up.

00:14:29.000 So Donald Trump dictated this letter personally.

00:14:32.000 Very brief here, and this was yesterday morning at about 9 43 a.m.

00:14:36.000 He wrote, Dear Mr. Chairman, we, whoops, and I can't even highlight here, but he says, We greatly appreciate your time, patience, and effort with respect to our recent negotiations and discussions relative to a summit long sought by both parties, which was scheduled to take place on June 12th in Singapore.

00:14:53.000 We were informed that the meeting was requested by North Korea, but that to us is totally irrelevant.

00:15:00.000 Now, this is important.

00:15:01.000 Remember this sentence.

00:15:02.000 We were informed that the meeting was requested by North Korea.

00:15:05.000 So, He's acknowledged that this was not the U.S. coming to them.

00:15:09.000 This was not the U.S. who was offering diplomacy or extending an open hand.

00:15:14.000 This was North Korea.

00:15:15.000 And then additionally, but to us, is totally irrelevant, which that's a slight to North Korea.

00:15:20.000 That's saying, you know, we don't really even care.

00:15:23.000 I was very much looking forward to being there with you.

00:15:25.000 Sadly, based on the tremendous anger and open hostility displayed in your most recent statements, I feel it is inappropriate at this time to have this long planned meeting.

00:15:36.000 Therefore, please let this letter serve to represent that the Singapore summit, for the good of both parties, but to the detriment of the world, will not take place.

00:15:45.000 And now get this.

00:15:46.000 He says, You talk about your nuclear capabilities, but ours are so massive and powerful that I pray to God they will never have to be used.

00:15:55.000 That's another important sentence there because that's, of course, an implicit threat.

00:15:59.000 We're kind of hemming and hawing, going back to the old style, but maintaining the new style.

00:16:04.000 Notice how it all comes together the synthesis of a very aggressive, very provocative, but at the same time, something that is muted and diplomatic.

00:16:11.000 And you can have it both ways with Trump.

00:16:14.000 You can have it both ways when you have a good negotiator, where he says that the.

00:16:17.000 At once, he says, I was very much looking forward to being with you, and it's to the detriment of the world, but it's for the good of both parties that the summit should not take place.

00:16:27.000 Very cordial, very fine, but at the same time, you've got this message of it's totally irrelevant to us, and you talk about your nukes, but we would basically nuke you, and it would be a horrible thing.

00:16:38.000 He says, I felt a wonderful dialogue, and here we go again, the other side.

00:16:42.000 I felt a wonderful dialogue was building up between you and me, and ultimately, it is only that dialogue that matters between you and me.

00:16:51.000 Think about that.

00:16:52.000 Another important line.

00:16:54.000 Someday I look very much forward to meeting you.

00:16:56.000 In the meantime, I want to thank you for the release of the hostages who are now home with their families.

00:17:01.000 That was a beautiful gesture and was very much appreciated.

00:17:04.000 If you change your mind having to do with this most important summit, please do not hesitate to call me or write.

00:17:11.000 The world and North Korea in particular has lost a great opportunity for lasting peace and great prosperity and wealth.

00:17:17.000 This missed opportunity is a truly sad moment in history.

00:17:20.000 Yours truly, DJT.

00:17:23.000 And we have to look at it, I think, a little bit more in depth because a lot of people, their first.

00:17:27.000 Their first take was Trump's a neocon, as it always is.

00:17:32.000 You know, it's always, oh, well, it's done.

00:17:34.000 He botched it.

00:17:35.000 And of course, people who are a little bit more seasoned, i.e., me and people who think like me, who have been taught to think like me by me, saw this as a negotiating tactic.

00:17:35.000 It's over.

00:17:48.000 He's playing games here.

00:17:49.000 It's not hard to see that in the rhetoric that's being used.

00:17:53.000 You know, if you look very carefully, this is not difficult stuff to read between the lines.

00:17:57.000 What's happening?

00:17:59.000 This is merely a negotiating tactic in the same way that North Korea threatening to pull out of the meeting was, right?

00:18:05.000 And Trump always wrote about this in The Art of the Deal, and we talked about this earlier in the week that you have to be willing to walk out of the deal.

00:18:13.000 You have to be willing to walk away from the table.

00:18:15.000 And the only way to demonstrate that is to do that at least one time. 0.95

00:18:19.000 And so the North Koreans were threatening it, threatening it, threatening it. 1.00

00:18:22.000 And I think this was probably the best move at the time. 0.98

00:18:25.000 Before the North Koreans could cancel, it was smart for us to cancel and demonstrate to them that we don't need to make a deal. 0.89

00:18:31.000 We have maximum pressure on North Korea. 0.85

00:18:34.000 We've got leverage over China.

00:18:35.000 We've got leverage over Europe.

00:18:37.000 We've got massive sanctions on North Korea.

00:18:39.000 We've got leverage over Japan and South Korea.

00:18:42.000 And so, why would we?

00:18:43.000 Why would we even need to have a summit?

00:18:46.000 If we don't have a summit, in the absence of a summit, either North Korea gets destroyed militarily or they could destroy it economically. 0.77

00:18:55.000 And there's no way around that for them. 0.78

00:18:56.000 So, there's really no way that North Korea could exercise leverage.

00:19:01.000 Now, they tried to do that.

00:19:03.000 They tried to embarrass the president.

00:19:05.000 They tried to show him up and one up him and posture before the summit by threatening it with the intention that Trump would be so hungry for a Nobel Prize, so hungry for this great foreign affairs achievement, that he would go along with whatever they would give him.

00:19:19.000 That they'd be able to give him the runaround, they'd be able to say these provocative things, host a meeting that probably would have been a further embarrassment, and that he'd go along with it. 0.97

00:19:27.000 Or at least maybe that wasn't the intention, but it is a shit test in that sense. 0.97

00:19:32.000 And so Trump, I think, did the best thing by. 0.96

00:19:34.000 Demonstrating a great deal of dominance by, and remember, this was the morning that foreign journalists were at the nuclear test site where North Korea was blowing it up to prove to the West that they were in good faith in having these talks. 0.54

00:19:49.000 So you have foreign journalists in North Korea, they're giving their third concession.

00:19:54.000 Their first concession was no missile tests and no nuclear tests.

00:19:58.000 Their second concession was we're going to give up these hostages.

00:20:01.000 Their third concession was we'll blow up the nuclear test site.

00:20:04.000 So, you have the same morning that they give their third concession.

00:20:07.000 Trump says, Yeah, you know what?

00:20:09.000 Thanks, but no thanks.

00:20:10.000 We really don't need this.

00:20:11.000 This is irrelevant to us.

00:20:12.000 You've been very bad.

00:20:13.000 And, you know, look, we'd like to make it happen, but your behavior is unacceptable.

00:20:18.000 And that's the way to do it.

00:20:19.000 And so, we made this big statement, which I rightly pointed out was exactly what it turned out to be, which is four dimensional chess, which was a demonstration in North Korea that we won't be bullied.

00:20:30.000 The only place that we will negotiate from is a position of strength.

00:20:34.000 We're going to do it on our terms.

00:20:36.000 And if we can't do it on our terms, we won't do it at all.

00:20:39.000 And it'll be settled on our terms regardless, meeting or not.

00:20:42.000 And so that's what Trump did.

00:20:43.000 I think you have to look at the totality of it to understand what a power play that was in the sense that it happened the morning they were making concessions, a big slap in the face.

00:20:54.000 They called it irrelevant.

00:20:55.000 I mean, it was a major, major power play here.

00:20:57.000 We really pulled the rug out from under them.

00:21:00.000 And people said, you know what?

00:21:01.000 That's bad.

00:21:02.000 How are you going to explain this?

00:21:03.000 All the rest.

00:21:05.000 Already blackpilling.

00:21:07.000 And then, of course, not 24 hours later, we got a statement from North Korea, which is a little bit longer.

00:21:14.000 I don't know if you want me to read the whole thing to you.

00:21:15.000 You can check it out.

00:21:16.000 I'm reading this on Quartz, and it's also on a couple of other sites.

00:21:20.000 I think it's on Axios as well.

00:21:22.000 At first, it was only available in Korean.

00:21:26.000 But if you read through it, and it's a pretty lengthy one, it's a lot longer than Trump, so I'm not going to read the whole thing.

00:21:31.000 But there's nothing really provocative in here.

00:21:33.000 There's nothing really that stands out as aggressive or hostile like the previous messages.

00:21:38.000 I mean, they really changed their tone.

00:21:40.000 From Wednesday, they called Mike Pence a dummy, and they said, We're threatening to call this off, and all the rest will meet you in a nuclear showdown.

00:21:49.000 And they've turned now to the U.S. side's unilateral announcement of the cancellation of the summit, which makes us think over if we were truly right to have made efforts for it and to have opted for the new path.

00:21:59.000 You know, is that really a big change of tone?

00:22:03.000 We are unchanged in our goal and will do everything we could for peace and stability of the Korean Peninsula and humankind.

00:22:09.000 And we have all the willingness to offer the U.S. side time and opportunity.

00:22:15.000 They also said somewhere in the statement, let me try and find it for you here.

00:22:20.000 They said at some point that they would move forward with it at any time that they were ready.

00:22:25.000 They said, and there's another big compliment here for the president.

00:22:28.000 They say, as far as the DPRK U.S. summit is concerned, we have inwardly highly appreciated President Trump for having made the bold decision, which any other U.S. presidents dared not and made efforts for such a crucial event at the summit.

00:22:42.000 So you have a very great and positive message, whereas Trump said it's irrelevant, we're going to nuke you, all this kind of stuff.

00:22:48.000 North Korea said, actually, you're really bold.

00:22:51.000 Actually, you're a really good guy.

00:22:54.000 And at some point here, I'm trying to find it in the statement.

00:22:56.000 I should have highlighted it beforehand, but they said that they'd be willing to do it at any time.

00:23:00.000 And so, a much more muted statement from North Korea.

00:23:03.000 And I think that just goes to show that, of course, this is what works.

00:23:08.000 This is the only language these people understand.

00:23:10.000 This is really the only language anybody understands, to be honest.

00:23:14.000 And it's interesting how so many people turn into Wilsonians, so many people turn into liberal idealists about foreign affairs when it's Trump. 0.81

00:23:23.000 Or when it's America. 0.54

00:23:25.000 And let's move on to, I guess, an analysis portion of just this entire episode before we get on to Trump's comments from today, because this is all yesterday.

00:23:34.000 People at first blamed John Bolton when the letter came out.

00:23:38.000 They said, and here, let me get rid of these statements so you can see me.

00:23:41.000 You can see my epic hand gestures here.

00:23:45.000 Okay.

00:23:45.000 There we go.

00:23:46.000 So at first, people blamed John Bolton.

00:23:48.000 He's the national security advisor.

00:23:50.000 He came in, and it was very controversial because he's a neocon.

00:23:54.000 He's in favor of regime change in North Korea.

00:23:56.000 He's in favor of regime change in Iran, and he hasn't been shy about talking about it.

00:24:00.000 He's been very vocal about the desire for regime change, very provocative in the way that he says it.

00:24:07.000 And so at first, many people said, well, of course, it's his fault.

00:24:10.000 North Korea has all of a sudden changed their tone from very peaceful to very aggressive.

00:24:16.000 And the North Koreans said the reason they changed their tone is because John Bolton said the Libyan model.

00:24:23.000 And a lot of people took their word for it.

00:24:24.000 A lot of people said, John Bolton's messing it up.

00:24:28.000 Did John Bolton torpedo it on purpose?

00:24:31.000 John Bolton, why did you mess this up?

00:24:32.000 All the rest.

00:24:34.000 Without even thinking critically, wait a minute.

00:24:36.000 Let's think about this for a moment.

00:24:39.000 The premise is that had John Bolton not brought up the Libyan model, the North Koreans would have gone forward with the summit and they would have voluntarily given up their nuclear weapons in a way that was verifiable, irreversible, and complete.

00:24:53.000 That would have gone on without a hitch, without any effort to posture on the part of the North Koreans, any effort to gain the upper hand.

00:25:02.000 It would have just been smooth sailing from March until June, where there had been 60 years of hostility. 0.61

00:25:08.000 It would have ended immediately. 0.69

00:25:10.000 And North Korea was true to their word that they would have given up all their nuclear weapons completely, totally, irreversibly, verifiably. 0.90

00:25:18.000 They were moving right along with that.

00:25:20.000 They would have sat down with Trump, given them all up without any effort to posture, any effort to gain the upper hand, any effort to save face.

00:25:27.000 But then John Bolton brought up Libya.

00:25:30.000 And you know what?

00:25:31.000 They had never heard of Libya before. 0.59

00:25:33.000 John Bolton brought up the Libyan model, and they got on their ancient computers in North Korea.

00:25:37.000 They pulled up their regulated internet and they searched the Libyan model.

00:25:41.000 And they said, Wait, hey, Kim, check this out.

00:25:45.000 Wait a minute.

00:25:46.000 Have you heard about this?

00:25:47.000 The United States disarmed a country and then invaded them?

00:25:50.000 We can't go forward with these guys.

00:25:53.000 We're going to have to make a big stink about this.

00:25:55.000 I mean, just think of it for a moment. 0.95

00:25:57.000 No rational person, no serious person, believes that the North Koreans are being completely honest when they say, That the reason they made a big spectacle, a big tantrum about John Bolton's statement was because of John Bolton's statement. 0.54

00:26:15.000 And these are the same people that will tell us when Iran says death to America and they burn our flag, oh, don't believe them. 0.57

00:26:22.000 When they say we're going to nuke America, that's just rhetoric.

00:26:22.000 Don't believe them.

00:26:26.000 But when North Korea says the reason that we're canceling the summit or we're threatening to cancel it is because of John Bolton, they say, yup, yup, yup, John Bolton said it.

00:26:35.000 And now, yeah, it was all going fine. 0.97

00:26:38.000 They were going to totally give everything up and they were going to get totally blasted and screwed.

00:26:42.000 But, you know, then John Bolton had to bring up something they're well aware of and that the whole negotiations are in the shadow of. 0.57

00:26:49.000 Yep, that makes sense.

00:26:51.000 Of course not.

00:26:52.000 And we say it's rhetoric when it's North Korea, it's rhetoric when it's Iran.

00:26:55.000 And you have to be consistent.

00:26:57.000 And the point here is not that John Bolton's statement didn't play a part, not to defend John Bolton.

00:27:02.000 We don't like John Bolton.

00:27:03.000 But it is to say that we have to be reasonable.

00:27:06.000 We have to think about these things critically.

00:27:08.000 We have to think about what is likely, what is probable.

00:27:10.000 And what's probable here is that North Korea saw themselves as being backed into a corner in terms of the media had said, look, they've already made these concessions, and the expectation is they would go forward with denuclearization.

00:27:23.000 And that meant different things to both parties.

00:27:26.000 To the United States, it means complete, irreversible, verifiable.

00:27:30.000 And what does all that mean?

00:27:31.000 It means that they ship it to the United States and that they have intrusive inspectors in North Korea on their military sites. 0.53

00:27:40.000 Because, of course, we just tore up the Iran deal because they wouldn't allow inspections on their military sites. 0.65

00:27:45.000 It also means that it's permanent, it's forever that they can't have nuclear weapons, irreversible. 0.66

00:27:51.000 So, just like Iran, the problem with the Iran deal was the sunset clause. 0.59

00:27:54.000 Maybe that was another trigger for it.

00:27:56.000 We pulled out of the Iran deal.

00:27:57.000 And in doing so, we indirectly communicated what will not be an acceptable nuclear deal.

00:28:03.000 Whereas maybe the North Koreans had it in mind that denuclearization meant something like Iran, where they maintain the infrastructure, they maintain some capability, but they're just really limited in how quickly they'd be able to achieve a breakout nuclear capability.

00:28:17.000 So there's a big disagreement on what denuclearization means.

00:28:20.000 Of course, maybe it's something about that.

00:28:22.000 But just generally speaking, we're heading for a big negotiation where big things are on the line.

00:28:27.000 And in any kind of deal, When you have two opposing sides, and it's fundamental, it's a zero sum game in the sense that their two objectives are diametrically opposed.

00:28:37.000 They are exactly mutually exclusive.

00:28:40.000 The United States wants them not to have nuclear weapons, North Korea wants themselves to have nuclear weapons. 0.56

00:28:47.000 So, in this kind of negotiation, it's exactly a zero sum game.

00:28:50.000 How can one side screw over the other side to do themselves better?

00:28:54.000 Right?

00:28:54.000 And so, if North Korea comes out and they say, oh, well, screw the U.S., we're going to call up the summit, all the rest, this is a technique.

00:29:02.000 And when they bring up John Bolton, this is really irrelevant.

00:29:05.000 It's really arbitrary what contention they're bringing up.

00:29:08.000 They could bring up any number of things.

00:29:09.000 They could say the Iran deal is the reason why we're thinking about pulling out.

00:29:14.000 They could say that Trump's rhetoric about China is why we're pulling out.

00:29:17.000 They could say any number of things, but that's really not the point. 0.94

00:29:21.000 It's a convincing one.

00:29:22.000 It's good rhetoric, it's excellent rhetoric, and that's why so many people eat it up.

00:29:26.000 That's why people who, if it conforms to their worldview, they'll eat it up. 0.62

00:29:31.000 Because North Korea tries to, for propaganda purposes, Posit themselves as the resistor to the imperialist American system.

00:29:38.000 And so North Korea says, Oh, well, we're not canceling the talks because we're being ruthless, realist negotiators who want to extract any kind of goodies and concessions out of this as we can, because that wouldn't fly very well.

00:29:52.000 That wouldn't go over very well in the press and for the people of the world.

00:29:55.000 Instead, they'll say, Actually, you know what?

00:29:58.000 How could we go through with this when they're mentioning the Libyan model and look at the Libyan model?

00:30:02.000 And so, in order to extract assurances from the U.S., That, oh, no, no, actually, regime change is off the table.

00:30:09.000 We would never do something like that.

00:30:11.000 And there goes your leverage.

00:30:12.000 So, of course, that's what it's about.

00:30:15.000 And so, that's, I think, the big thing we have to look at North Korea and what they talked about before is posturing. 0.83

00:30:21.000 And you have to look at the letter as posturing.

00:30:23.000 Many people reported today that Donald Trump wrote this letter and canceled the summit at the behest of John Bolton.

00:30:31.000 And then again, you have to think critically.

00:30:32.000 A lot of people say, oh, John Bolton caused another problem.

00:30:36.000 First, He caused the North Koreans to get upset, and then he made Donald Trump torpedo the summit.

00:30:41.000 John Bolton is the.

00:30:43.000 Nice job, Donald Trump.

00:30:44.000 Nice job, neocon Don.

00:30:46.000 Millions of retweets.

00:30:47.000 Dopamine rush.

00:30:48.000 I feel really good.

00:30:48.000 I don't have to think very hard.

00:30:51.000 But think about it.

00:30:52.000 Does it conform more to John Bolton's worldview that he write a statement like this, or does it conform more to Donald Trump's worldview?

00:30:59.000 Would John Bolton.

00:31:00.000 Let's say John Bolton wrote the statement.

00:31:02.000 Let's say.

00:31:03.000 And that's not the contention.

00:31:04.000 The contention is that John Bolton influenced Trump to.

00:31:07.000 Write the statement.

00:31:08.000 But let's say that it's President John Bolton.

00:31:10.000 God help us.

00:31:10.000 Let's say it's President John Bolton.

00:31:12.000 He's typing up his message.

00:31:13.000 You know what?

00:31:14.000 The Trump administration was weak and blah, blah, blah, but we're going to cancel the summit.

00:31:19.000 How would that message read?

00:31:21.000 Would it read things like, thank you for your gracious efforts to release the hostages?

00:31:25.000 I would love to meet with you.

00:31:27.000 It's a missed opportunity for the world and all the rest.

00:31:31.000 Would it be so conciliatory?

00:31:33.000 Would the door be left open that wide for further negotiations? 0.99

00:31:37.000 Or would it be, the North Korean regime is evil and must be destroyed? 0.97

00:31:42.000 Of course, it would be the latter. 0.97

00:31:45.000 And so you start to understand, you think about it a little bit further.

00:31:47.000 Why would it leak?

00:31:48.000 And who would leak it?

00:31:49.000 You know, Daily Caller, I think it was, reported that John Bolton.

00:31:52.000 Or maybe it was Fox News, I forget, but it was one of these outlets close to the White House that said John Bolton was the one behind the letter.

00:31:59.000 John Bolton pressured the White House and all the rest.

00:32:01.000 Well, how do they get a message like that from the White House?

00:32:04.000 Well, it has to come from the White House.

00:32:06.000 Now, do you think Donald Trump has something to do with what comes in and out of the White House?

00:32:09.000 Do you think that all the leaks are accidental, or do you think that some of them maybe are planned?

00:32:14.000 Let's just keep in mind the possibility, the potentiality that some of the leaks that come out of the White House are from Trump himself.

00:32:22.000 I mean, let's just think about that for a moment.

00:32:24.000 Let's entertain the hypothetical that at least one leak.

00:32:26.000 Could have come from the White House by design.

00:32:29.000 Would it be in Trump's interest to push the blame for this onto somebody else?

00:32:34.000 Would it behoove Trump to appear formless to the North Koreans, not wedded to the idea of a summit, but also not wedded to the idea of military intervention?

00:32:45.000 Would it behoove him to go into this summit or this further negotiation with the North Koreans, not really knowing where he stands?

00:32:51.000 That, well, you know, John Bolton maybe made him cancel this, and maybe John Bolton wants regime change, but hey, Mattis says he doesn't want it, but what does Trump think?

00:32:59.000 And Trump said, the only important dialogue is between me and you, between Trump and Kim Jong un.

00:33:05.000 So don't worry about John Bolton.

00:33:06.000 Don't worry about these other guys.

00:33:08.000 Just worry about me and you.

00:33:09.000 And so I think that really changes the dynamic when people say, oh, well, it's John Bolton who pressured him into it.

00:33:15.000 We're maybe assuming a lot of intentionality.

00:33:17.000 We're projecting, I think, a lot of planning on their part.

00:33:22.000 And I'm not suggesting totally that that's the case, but I think there is definitely a strategic benefit.

00:33:26.000 I think that's why John Bolton is in the White House in the first place.

00:33:30.000 I think there's definitely a strategic benefit in a negotiation to have this formlessness, to have this idea that, well, every action that has been taken might have been from somebody else.

00:33:41.000 Maybe it was from Trump, but maybe it wasn't.

00:33:44.000 And maybe Trump really wants to sit down, but John Bolton convinced him not to.

00:33:48.000 Maybe he really wants military action, but Mattis convinced him not to.

00:33:52.000 Who knows?

00:33:53.000 And so I think that allows him to play both sides, that allows him to really be in two places at once.

00:33:59.000 And this is what we talk about a lot.

00:34:01.000 With the art of the deal.

00:34:02.000 And this is where four dimensional chess comes in.

00:34:04.000 In a lot of ways, it really is four dimensional because you think about quantum.

00:34:09.000 To go on an extended analogy or to go on an extended metaphor, my big brain people will appreciate this.

00:34:16.000 So, the basis of quantum mechanics here, and I'm butchering this, I'm sure, but the idea is that electrons, when they're floating around in atoms, they're in two states.

00:34:28.000 They can be in waves, but they can also be in particle.

00:34:31.000 Form.

00:34:33.000 And this is obviously contradictory because they can't be both at once, right?

00:34:36.000 I mean, some electrons are observed as particles, meaning that's very definite, it's very solid, and some are observed as waves, which means it's all kinds of different potentialities.

00:34:46.000 It could be anywhere at once.

00:34:48.000 And there was an experiment done, and basically the experiment showed that if electrons are observed, they become particles.

00:34:54.000 If not, it's all possibilities at once.

00:34:57.000 And so this lends a lot of credence to the idea that there's all kinds of potentialities, and only when we make decisions, only when we observe things, Only when decisions happen is history determined.

00:35:08.000 Otherwise, really, anything could happen at any moment, and maybe everything does happen.

00:35:12.000 And in the same way, and this is an extended analogy, it's a big brain analogy, but in the same way, Trump can be in two places at once.

00:35:19.000 At once, he could be, I want military aggression.

00:35:23.000 I want to invade North Korea, and we're so serious about it. 0.74

00:35:26.000 But at the same time, he could be, I hate war. 0.82

00:35:28.000 I would never want war.

00:35:30.000 I just want to have a summit.

00:35:31.000 He can be at both places at once.

00:35:33.000 And in doing these different kinds of things, in putting it on John Bolton, in writing a statement that is at once so provocative, threatening nuclear war, but at the same time saying, We'd love to meet with you, you can be in two places at once.

00:35:46.000 And depending on which one North Korea pursues, It's whatever they want.

00:35:51.000 If North Korea pursues the diplomatic route, it was diplomatic all along.

00:35:54.000 He was always diplomatic.

00:35:56.000 He wanted that from the start.

00:35:57.000 It was his plan all along and it worked out.

00:36:00.000 If they don't, it was his plan all along to go to war and we're going to war and we cleaned it up. 0.81

00:36:05.000 And hey, he said in his press conference later on that day after the letter that Japan and the Asian countries would pay for it. 0.89

00:36:13.000 And so maybe it'd be a great deal that way. 0.94

00:36:15.000 We'd secure the Korean Peninsula.

00:36:17.000 The diplomacy didn't work out.

00:36:19.000 We tried everything, but we eventually got the job done.

00:36:21.000 And hey, we didn't even have to pay for it.

00:36:23.000 It's not even that bad.

00:36:23.000 So.

00:36:25.000 And so, in that way, Trump can exist in two places.

00:36:28.000 I think that's what really four dimensional chess means.

00:36:30.000 To really get it on a literal level, it is four dimensional.

00:36:35.000 And so, and I don't even want to get into like simulation theory and all that.

00:36:38.000 I think there's a lot to that.

00:36:39.000 But nevertheless, I think that's what Trump is pursuing here.

00:36:43.000 I think the summit is still obviously on the table.

00:36:46.000 And this is bolstered by the statement that he gave today.

00:36:50.000 And I'll read you that some of the comments that he made today to a couple of reporters outside the White House.

00:36:58.000 He said at first, we're talking to them now.

00:37:00.000 It was a very nice statement.

00:37:02.000 He's referring to the statement that came out yesterday.

00:37:04.000 He said, we could even do the 12th.

00:37:06.000 So the 12th is still on the table.

00:37:08.000 He said, if they'd like to do it, we'd like to do it.

00:37:11.000 We'll see what happens.

00:37:12.000 And somebody said, do you think the North Koreans are just playing games?

00:37:15.000 And he said, everybody plays games. 0.98

00:37:17.000 And there it is, dummies, of course.

00:37:21.000 I'm always right about this kind of stuff because we look at the evidence, we think very hard about it, and we're able to predict very closely.

00:37:28.000 If Trump was dead set on military intervention, would he be talking like this?

00:37:33.000 If they'd like to do it, you know, they'd like to do it, we'd like to do it.

00:37:36.000 Everybody's playing games.

00:37:37.000 In other words, basically admitting they're playing games and we're playing games, which at once says all that provocative statements, yeah, we'll let that go.

00:37:46.000 And hey, if that's games, hey, that's just games with us too.

00:37:49.000 And so that's an out.

00:37:51.000 That's a way for them to save face in another way.

00:37:55.000 And then, and so that was the big statement.

00:37:59.000 He also made a tweet today which said, very good news to receive the warm and productive statement from North Korea.

00:38:04.000 We will soon see where it will lead, hopefully to a long.

00:38:07.000 And enduring prosperity and peace.

00:38:09.000 Only time and talent will tell.

00:38:12.000 And there it is.

00:38:13.000 So we believe very strongly in the negotiation.

00:38:13.000 There it is.

00:38:16.000 We believe very strongly in the diplomacy here.

00:38:19.000 It's all going according to plan, in my eyes.

00:38:22.000 And you even had these contradictory statements yesterday where the State Department came out right after the letter was released.

00:38:28.000 Mike Pompeo came out and said, We're still working towards the 12th.

00:38:32.000 So, you know, again, how seriously can we take this statement if the State Department says we're still looking at the 12th?

00:38:38.000 The president says we're still looking at the 12th, and it looks like it's all basically sewn back together.

00:38:44.000 It's the art of the deal, folks.

00:38:46.000 Not hard.

00:38:46.000 It's not hard, really.

00:38:49.000 And I don't really know why people still have an issue with this anymore.

00:38:53.000 People are still, I'm sure, criticizing this.

00:38:56.000 I'm sure people are in the live chat.

00:38:57.000 People will comment on the video saying, it's four dimensional chess, blah, blah, blah, and they'll make fun of it.

00:39:03.000 And they'll call me Bill Mitchell and all the rest.

00:39:06.000 I don't understand it.

00:39:07.000 I don't understand how it cannot be made abundantly clear.

00:39:10.000 After how many different instances like this, this is the approach that President Trump has had his whole life.

00:39:16.000 This is Donald Trump's mindset.

00:39:19.000 This is his worldview.

00:39:20.000 This is his modus operandi.

00:39:23.000 And it's not difficult to understand after countless examples of it.

00:39:28.000 So we'll see what happens.

00:39:29.000 As he says, we'll keep an eye on it.

00:39:32.000 It's all looking very good now.

00:39:33.000 It's actually looking better.

00:39:34.000 This needed to happen, believe it or not.

00:39:36.000 If we ended up at the summit without some kind of a rift, it would get very ugly at the summit.

00:39:41.000 And we would not want that.

00:39:43.000 That would be even worse.

00:39:44.000 So this had to happen.

00:39:45.000 And Trump had to cancel it before they did.

00:39:47.000 And so we had to cancel it as soon as possible to exert.

00:39:50.000 The upper hand to posture.

00:39:52.000 And so this is, he's playing it beautifully.

00:39:54.000 Playing it beautifully.

00:39:56.000 Do not pay John Bolton any mind.

00:39:58.000 It's very troubling that he's there, but Trump is firmly in control of the administration as evidenced by all these comments.

00:40:05.000 And there's really just, I can't take anybody seriously anymore who continues on with this line that, you know, Trump is owned by the neocons.

00:40:12.000 He's a Zionist shill. 0.90

00:40:13.000 It's just total nonsense. 0.93

00:40:15.000 It's just simply not supported by the facts.

00:40:17.000 And believe me, sometimes I get in that place too.

00:40:20.000 Sometimes I see the things he does.

00:40:22.000 Sometimes I say, oh boy. 1.00

00:40:25.000 I say, oh boy, it just sucks. 0.98

00:40:26.000 It's hard to explain it away. 0.99

00:40:28.000 It's hard to think about it, but you have to think about it.

00:40:30.000 You have to look at the facts, even when it's hard, even when it's unpopular, even when you have an emotional reaction.

00:40:36.000 But you have to look at what's actually happening.

00:40:38.000 And there's no way you can read all the literature that's come out in the past couple of days and think anything else.

00:40:45.000 But so that's North Korea. 0.70

00:40:46.000 Why don't we jump in? 0.91

00:40:47.000 Enough about the serious stuff.

00:40:49.000 It's Friday night.

00:40:50.000 We're feeling good, and we're going to take some calls.

00:40:53.000 How about that?

00:40:55.000 How about that?

00:40:56.000 So let me get it all set up here on the Discord.

00:40:58.000 I'll post the link so you can access it.

00:41:01.000 Excuse me.

00:41:03.000 And we'll jump in and we should have a good time.

00:41:07.000 Let me just change my settings here so we are all set.

00:41:14.000 Always my favorite part to interface with you, the unwashed masses, when you get to be on the show and it's a great time.

00:41:23.000 Just joking.

00:41:24.000 You guys are not the unwashed masses, you guys are pure patricians.

00:41:29.000 So let me just set it up so that we can hear you. 0.99

00:41:32.000 Bing bong.

00:41:37.000 I don't even know why people doubt anymore on the four dimensional chess.

00:41:41.000 I mean, literally, somebody, one of the cat boys, it's always the cat boys.

00:41:45.000 They always doubt.

00:41:46.000 The cat boys are always in doubt, but I'm always right in the end.

00:41:50.000 And that's why I can create the compound for the cat boys because at the end, I know what's best.

00:41:57.000 But one of the cat boys was DMing me saying, oh, Nick, how do you explain this one?

00:42:01.000 Blah, blah.

00:42:01.000 And before I even woke up from my nap, another message, what?

00:42:04.000 You're already vindicated.

00:42:06.000 Yeah, and of course, always.

00:42:10.000 But we're all set up.

00:42:12.000 Let me put on the old America First headset.

00:42:17.000 And we're ready to go.

00:42:19.000 Let me change one more thing.

00:42:19.000 Actually, you know what?

00:42:20.000 Because usually I use this mic for the audio, and it never really works.

00:42:26.000 So I'll change it to the Yeti mic so people can hear me in HD.

00:42:31.000 So let's bring in somebody.

00:42:32.000 Here, let me post the link up for us.

00:42:34.000 So much to do.

00:42:35.000 Let me bring up the link as well.

00:42:40.000 Big bong. 0.92

00:42:43.000 I'll have to invite.

00:42:44.000 Here we go.

00:42:45.000 There we go.

00:42:47.000 And that guy as well.

00:42:49.000 Okay.

00:42:51.000 All right.

00:42:52.000 So I'm posting it up in the live chat so you can jump on in here.

00:43:00.000 And here we go.

00:43:03.000 Here we go.

00:43:04.000 Let's see who will our first caller be.

00:43:07.000 Let's bring in Constantine.

00:43:10.000 Whoops, I'm muted.

00:43:12.000 Hello, Constantine.

00:43:13.000 What's going on, big guy?

00:43:15.000 Not much, not much.

00:43:16.000 Just a nice little Friday evening.

00:43:18.000 Yeah, man, for sure.

00:43:20.000 What's on your mind today?

00:43:23.000 A great take on the whole North Korea thing and Trump versus the neocons, but I would want to expand on that if you don't mind.

00:43:29.000 Sure.

00:43:31.000 Sure.

00:43:31.000 I'll have to accept the fact that this establishment has been entrenched for the past 100 years, if not longer.

00:43:38.000 The fact that the president, no matter who is in office, has to kiss the ring to some extent.

00:43:44.000 And, you know, I think people are too hard on Trump.

00:43:46.000 I think.

00:43:47.000 To submit when he has to.

00:43:49.000 But in terms of people are willing to fight back, I think he's the only one who's really fought back in that entire 100 years.

00:43:56.000 And I think people just need to calm down and just look at the situation, let things happen.

00:44:02.000 If things turn out bad, oh, well, you can't change them.

00:44:05.000 And if they turn out good, then that's great.

00:44:09.000 Yeah.

00:44:09.000 I mean, that's always the context.

00:44:12.000 I think people, to explain the context of where President Trump is, People say that's rationalization, that's mental gymnastics, that's excuses, but of course it is simply the reality.

00:44:24.000 As you said, we're dealing with 100 years of entrenchment. 0.72

00:44:27.000 We're dealing with at least 60 years of Zionist entrenchment. 0.80

00:44:31.000 We're dealing with at least 50 years of military industrial complex entrenchment. 0.80

00:44:35.000 We're talking about 25 to 30 years of multinational corporation entrenchment.

00:44:40.000 I mean, the system is broken, the interests are entrenched to an extent we're not even particularly sure.

00:44:46.000 You have the intelligence community, you have all these different interests there in the White House.

00:44:51.000 And on top of that, on top of the fact that everybody's pushing in one direction, at the same time, the apparatus of the state is massive.

00:45:00.000 The Defense Department is the biggest organization in the world.

00:45:03.000 The Pentagon is one of the most well funded organizations in the world.

00:45:07.000 And so not only do you have interest pushing and pulling in all different directions, but at the same time, you have personnel and money that is simply very challenging to control by one individual.

00:45:18.000 If you don't have people that are on board executing these decisions at every level, It is very difficult to write a massive ship.

00:45:25.000 You know, they compare it to like an aircraft carrier, turning an aircraft carrier as opposed to turning like a small speedboat.

00:45:31.000 And so I think if you look at what he's done in that context of what he's up against, what a Herculean feat it is to move anything at all.

00:45:40.000 And he's made tremendous progress, more than tremendous progress.

00:45:43.000 And as an outsider, too, who isn't even experienced in exercising the levers of power.

00:45:48.000 And so people say, oh, that's making excuses, that's a rationalization, that's the reality.

00:45:53.000 And everybody will tell you all day long.

00:45:56.000 This lobby is so powerful.

00:45:57.000 These people are so powerful, X, Y, and Z.

00:45:59.000 But at the same time, when Trump doesn't deliver exactly the way they want, on time, flawlessly perfect according to their imagination, their wildest dreams, they say, You're the president.

00:46:10.000 Why don't you do something? 0.99

00:46:11.000 So it's just totally hypocritical and just kind of ignorant. 0.97

00:46:14.000 So that's why on this show, we just try to have a sense of proportion, keep it in context. 0.94

00:46:19.000 But very, very good points.

00:46:21.000 I just want to ask you one closing question.

00:46:24.000 Sure. 0.84

00:46:26.000 Israeli and the Saudi influences, which you think is more powerful and which you think is more detrimental? 0.99

00:46:31.000 That's a great question. 0.99

00:46:32.000 Wow, that's a great question.

00:46:33.000 That's a great question.

00:46:34.000 Because, you know, so often we hear, you know, if you're talking about mainstream media, we hear all about the Saudis and nothing about the Israelis.

00:46:41.000 In alternative media, or at least this kind of alternative media, you hear everything is Israel and nothing is anybody else.

00:46:47.000 And everybody else is a saint except for Israel and our government, right?

00:46:51.000 And so I would say that they're both sizable influences, massive influences.

00:46:56.000 I mean, you think about Saudi Arabia, Saudi Aramco, which is one of the most powerful.

00:47:01.000 Valuable companies in the world.

00:47:04.000 When they become a public company, I think next year or the year after, it'll be, I think, the most valuable company publicly traded in the world.

00:47:11.000 And they've got something like trillions of dollars in oil reserves that nobody knows how great they are.

00:47:17.000 And so you think about just the size of that wealth, and you have freelancing princes who use it pretty autonomously.

00:47:23.000 They exercise a great deal of influence in our government over our congressmen, over past presidents, the State Department, even the Education Department.

00:47:30.000 The influence is there. 1.00

00:47:32.000 And the Israelis don't have as much money, but they do a lot with a little.

00:47:35.000 They do a lot with their connections because, of course, Jewish people are very well connected in America, and they're always willing to help out Israel because Israel is always willing to help out them.

00:47:45.000 You know, people are quick to point out the difference between left and right wing Jews, but they ignore the fact that, for example, Harvey Weinstein contracted former Mossad spies to spy on the women that he was harassing.

00:47:56.000 So, of course, it exists the connection between these people. 0.57

00:47:59.000 And so, I think they're both massive influences.

00:48:01.000 They're different structurally. 0.98

00:48:03.000 I would say that the Saudi influence in terms of punching power, in terms of just sheer magnitude, is probably greater because when all else fails, just buy it, just pay for it. 0.92

00:48:14.000 You know, the Israelis are stronger because they've infiltrated. 0.93

00:48:17.000 They've. 0.85

00:48:18.000 They've made the long term investment in people in the system.

00:48:21.000 They've got the network there. 0.91

00:48:22.000 So maybe the Israelis are richer in human capital.

00:48:25.000 The Saudis are richer in monetary capital. 0.60

00:48:29.000 But I would say they're about.

00:48:30.000 They can work together.

00:48:31.000 Right.

00:48:32.000 Increasingly they are.

00:48:32.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:48:33.000 So I'd say they're about equal. 0.74

00:48:35.000 And I would say that the Israeli lobby is probably more detrimental because, you know, Saudi Arabia, we've had a deal with them since the 1940s. 0.76

00:48:44.000 This went under place with Franklin Roosevelt and John D. Rockefeller in exchange for.

00:48:49.000 Getting their oil, we gave them a security guarantee. 0.88

00:48:51.000 We didn't have these big problems in the Middle East until the Zionists infiltrated in the 1990s and the 2000s. 0.97

00:48:56.000 So I would say they've achieved about parity at this point in time, but Israel is probably more detrimental. 0.96

00:49:02.000 But a great question. 1.00

00:49:04.000 Yeah, I definitely agree.

00:49:04.000 But I suppose I'll leave you to the next caller.

00:49:06.000 And thank you for taking my call.

00:49:08.000 And goodbye.

00:49:09.000 Have a great rest of your evening.

00:49:09.000 Thanks.

00:49:09.000 All right.

00:49:11.000 Bye bye.

00:49:12.000 What a great call.

00:49:13.000 What a great call.

00:49:14.000 Very, very intelligent fellow.

00:49:15.000 Only the smartest on America First. 1.00

00:49:20.000 Let's bring in American Rebel.

00:49:23.000 Hello, Mr. Rebel.

00:49:24.000 What's going on? 0.97

00:49:27.000 Say American.

00:49:28.000 Are you talking to me?

00:49:29.000 Yes.

00:49:30.000 Nick, I got to debate you, dude.

00:49:31.000 Hmm.

00:49:33.000 What about?

00:49:36.000 Oh, in your ANRAM speech, you laid mention to black oppression.

00:49:47.000 And I left a super chat about this the other night.

00:49:50.000 And.

00:49:51.000 You'd said something about slavery, and I would take, I mean, I hate centrism.

00:49:57.000 I would take the extreme position that blacks were not oppressed under slavery.

00:50:03.000 Really?

00:50:04.000 Yeah, really.

00:50:05.000 Blacks were not oppressed under slavery.

00:50:07.000 Wow.

00:50:07.000 So we had a very high IQ call a moment ago, and I don't know.

00:50:12.000 Is this a high IQ call or is this a joke call?

00:50:15.000 No, no.

00:50:17.000 Okay, so.

00:50:19.000 All right.

00:50:21.000 Actually, in Jared Taylor's Amaranth speech, he laid mention to it that.

00:50:25.000 Slavery was the price they paid for civilization.

00:50:29.000 I don't remember who he quoted.

00:50:31.000 But you can look at what was happening.

00:50:36.000 Blacks had higher literacy rates than most of the world. 1.00

00:50:38.000 Black slaves had a better education. 0.79

00:50:42.000 They were better fed. 0.73

00:50:44.000 I mean, so it's like an authoritarian government, basically.

00:50:49.000 I mean, it's mean, but it's the best thing for them.

00:50:52.000 You could say maybe it's oppression, but.

00:50:57.000 They were property.

00:50:58.000 They were property.

00:50:59.000 They weren't even subjects.

00:51:02.000 That's not oppression.

00:51:04.000 Okay, yes.

00:51:05.000 Okay, I see what you're saying, but the high class slaves, the top of the class, the best, they were able to gain their freedom.

00:51:18.000 Well, I'm not, notice, I'm not arguing that they were not eventually materially better off.

00:51:24.000 I think very few people would deny that blacks being brought over to America, although in my Christian view, it's immoral that they were brought over here in that way, and I was wrong and a mistake. 1.00

00:51:35.000 I think it's simply beyond doubt that you look at the blacks that came out of slavery in the 1860s, and as bad as it was, and it was bad, discrimination, they were set back a long way because they didn't own any property, they didn't have any skills or anything like that, no roots, they're in a foreign land, you know? 1.00

00:51:52.000 And so, although they were not well off, they were certainly better off than people in Africa. 0.71

00:51:58.000 I think that's basically, I don't think that's disputable.

00:52:01.000 But to say that it's not oppression, I mean, what I talk about when I talk about, particularly for the Amaranth speech, the point was that. 0.67

00:52:10.000 About Generation Z and how they were different.

00:52:12.000 I said the formative experiences of Generation Z is completely dissonant with the rhetoric that we hear, which is to say that the rhetoric for my whole life has been blacks are oppressed, Hispanics are oppressed, minorities are oppressed.

00:52:25.000 And that is simply the opposite of the case.

00:52:27.000 And so the point was to say that the formative experience of the boomer, and, you know, I know who was it who contested this at the actual speech?

00:52:37.000 It was.

00:52:37.000 Yeah, I remember that.

00:52:39.000 The name escapes me at the moment.

00:52:41.000 Yeah, no one knows.

00:52:43.000 But yeah, but he came up and he was actually a prominent guy, but I just can't think of it.

00:52:46.000 I'm just drawing a blank.

00:52:47.000 But he said, oh, no, actually, blacks weren't really discriminated against that much and whites didn't really see it that much.

00:52:54.000 I can tell you from firsthand experience, my parents are boomers.

00:52:58.000 They grew up in the city of Chicago.

00:52:59.000 They saw very well, firsthand, what happened to black people, and it was not a pretty picture.

00:53:06.000 And so, as somebody that has parents who have seen real racism, and that's why a real discrimination, real prejudice, Racism doesn't mean anything, but they saw real bad things happen to the other side.

00:53:18.000 I think it's much, they're much more susceptible to arguments about how, you know, the excesses of racial consciousness for white people can be really bad because they saw it and it would be totally within their experience.

00:53:30.000 But to Generation Z, it's totally outside our experience.

00:53:33.000 So we hear that kind of stuff and that doesn't strike a chord with us.

00:53:36.000 It doesn't remind us of anything.

00:53:38.000 It's like absurd to hear that kind of thing.

00:53:41.000 So that's all I meant by that.

00:53:42.000 So I think we're basically on the same page.

00:53:45.000 Yeah, I was just wanting to clear that because.

00:53:48.000 It's kind of iffy.

00:53:49.000 You can look at the rates.

00:53:52.000 If you look at how disproportionate crime was, even back in Mississippi during Jim Crow, the prison rates for blacks were about what they are today. 0.77

00:54:07.000 It's usually just like, I don't know, they get crazy with it.

00:54:11.000 I'm always on the offensive when I hear racist.

00:54:15.000 I'm sitting there rubbing my hands thinking, oh, I'm going to get this guy.

00:54:19.000 Yeah.

00:54:21.000 Yeah, that's basically all I had to say. 0.99

00:54:24.000 To close out, I would say, all you pagan cucks who are assaulting Christianity, that's an attack on white identity. 0.98

00:54:33.000 Whether you accept that or not, it is. 1.00

00:54:37.000 So, true.

00:54:38.000 Well, thank you.

00:54:40.000 Thank you for the call.

00:54:41.000 We appreciate it.

00:54:42.000 Have a good one.

00:54:43.000 All right, you too.

00:54:44.000 All right, bye-bye.

00:54:45.000 Interesting call.

00:54:46.000 You know, it's not good optics.

00:54:47.000 The way he phrased it was not good optics, but I think everyone can understand where he's coming from.

00:54:52.000 And.

00:54:53.000 That's the conversation they won't let you have in media the idea that, you know, that was the price that they paid to come here.

00:55:01.000 It wasn't voluntary, and that's what made it wrong, right?

00:55:04.000 And I don't think anybody would advocate for slavery.

00:55:06.000 I don't think anybody's advocating for people to be property.

00:55:09.000 That's despicable to me.

00:55:11.000 But the sentiment, I think, is undeniable that materially speaking, you look at the conditions in Africa and you look at the conditions here, even at the worst times, and it's hard to say which is better.

00:55:23.000 And it's ironic because a lot of black thinkers and activists will say, well, we were freed from slavery to be put in the slavery of no opportunities, right?

00:55:33.000 They say that, well, they freed us.

00:55:36.000 In the 1860s, but we had no opportunities.

00:55:39.000 And so we were free to be poor.

00:55:40.000 We were free to be all the rest.

00:55:42.000 Well, I mean, what's the situation in Africa? 0.99

00:55:44.000 You were free to get killed by your own people, free to get genocided, free to get your head chopped off, and to not have clean drinking water, to not have any infrastructure, not have any technology, not have law and order. 0.73

00:55:56.000 And so you look at even the conditions shortly after slavery, even the conditions in slavery, in many cases, and they were materially better off.

00:56:05.000 That's not to say it was right, it was not right.

00:56:08.000 It was wrong and a shameful thing that happened, really a shameful thing.

00:56:12.000 That I think if you look at any of the founders' writings, they were ashamed of it and they understood that that was the point.

00:56:18.000 But nevertheless, to simply look at it on a quantitative level, you know, it's pretty clear which place was better off.

00:56:27.000 But let's bring in another caller here.

00:56:29.000 Enough out of me.

00:56:31.000 Let's bring in another caller here.

00:56:32.000 Let's bring in, let's see, let's bring in Kyle.

00:56:38.000 Hello, Kyle.

00:56:39.000 What's going on?

00:56:40.000 Hey.

00:56:41.000 How's it going?

00:56:42.000 Good.

00:56:43.000 How about you?

00:56:45.000 My audio.

00:56:46.000 Discord's a little weird for me.

00:56:47.000 Uh huh.

00:56:50.000 Yeah, so I sound pretty good?

00:56:51.000 Yeah, you sound fine to me right now.

00:56:55.000 So I got to kind of challenge you here, buddy.

00:56:57.000 You know, big guy. 0.99

00:57:00.000 You know, sometimes I feel like you kind of talk out of your butt for lack of a better term. 0.99

00:57:00.000 On what? 0.99

00:57:06.000 Really?

00:57:08.000 When you talk about the alt right, sometimes you're on point.

00:57:11.000 Sometimes you're right.

00:57:11.000 I'm alt right myself.

00:57:13.000 Like.

00:57:14.000 I don't think you know what you're talking about.

00:57:16.000 So, I mean, what I want to ask you is how much do you keep up with alt right stuff?

00:57:21.000 Like, do you listen to TRS or Mike Enoch or anything like that?

00:57:25.000 Or no.

00:57:25.000 Oh, you laugh.

00:57:27.000 No, I don't listen to TRS.

00:57:29.000 No, look, I like Mike Enoch personally.

00:57:32.000 You know, I've talked to him before and I've had issues with TRS people in the past, but I like quite a lot of them.

00:57:36.000 I like jazz hands and all the rest.

00:57:41.000 But, you know, my problem with the alt right is.

00:57:45.000 Not from an insider's perspective.

00:57:48.000 I don't really keep up with the left very much.

00:57:50.000 I also don't keep up with Marxists very much.

00:57:52.000 But I know enough about them to know what the critiques are, to know why they have no chance at thriving or succeeding in America or why they're problematic.

00:58:02.000 And the same is true with the alt right.

00:58:04.000 All you have to do is take a look at MSU, Gainesville, Charlottesville.

00:58:09.000 I mean, just look at this pattern of behavior, which is aggressively refusing to learn from their mistakes.

00:58:16.000 And that alone is enough to write them off.

00:58:19.000 That's where you're wrong, Nick.

00:58:21.000 Oh, really?

00:58:22.000 Yeah, no, they've addressed this in the Daily Show.

00:58:22.000 Tell me why.

00:58:26.000 You don't listen to it, but they've said.

00:58:28.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, they have.

00:58:29.000 In PRS, they've said that we're not going to do Charlottesville anymore, and it was a mistake.

00:58:35.000 Wait, wait, listen to yourself, though.

00:58:36.000 They addressed the past mistakes in what show?

00:58:40.000 The Daily Show.

00:58:41.000 Now, you know my position on optics.

00:58:44.000 Do you think the Daily Show, which of course the Show means the Holocaust, the Daily Holocaust, do you think that?

00:58:51.000 That title is something that says to normal people hey, listen to my ideas.

00:58:56.000 My ideas are worth listening to. 0.95

00:58:58.000 Hear me out on why I'm not a crazy white nationalist skinhead.

00:59:03.000 I mean, is that the kind of title that is inviting? 0.86

00:59:05.000 Is that the kind of title that sets us back or that moves us forward?

00:59:09.000 You tell me.

00:59:11.000 A general thing.

00:59:12.000 That's not like what we're talking about.

00:59:14.000 Like you said.

00:59:15.000 That's exactly what we're talking about.

00:59:16.000 Albright doesn't learn from their mistakes.

00:59:18.000 And I give you an example of how we learned about our mistakes.

00:59:20.000 Then you start talking about optics.

00:59:21.000 I understand your argument from optics, but this message wasn't.

00:59:24.000 But the point is, you say that it's insufficient.

00:59:28.000 I'm saying that it's insufficient.

00:59:30.000 Charlottesville was only the most.

00:59:32.000 The most obvious and the most horrible mistake.

00:59:36.000 But the systemic problem is optical.

00:59:40.000 So, what I'm saying is they haven't learned from past mistakes, which is that they will not get out of their own way to talk about their ideas and present them in such a way that is favorable to people.

00:59:51.000 And you say, oh, well, but on the daily Shoah, they said they're not going to do rallies where they yell, Jews will not replace us with torches and look like the KKK.

01:00:00.000 They're not going to do that.

01:00:02.000 Oh, well, that's great.

01:00:05.000 They're only just broadcasting on.

01:00:07.000 The Daily Shoah and Fash the Nation.

01:00:09.000 And look, you know, some of it is good content.

01:00:12.000 You know, I've listened to some, I don't listen to it like religiously, but James showed me a few episodes when we were still partners.

01:00:19.000 And some of it's good content, but when I talk about failure to learn from their mistakes, they will not step away from the bad labels, the bad optics, these bad things.

01:00:27.000 I mean, that's really the problem.

01:00:29.000 I mean, you look at a lot of the content, there's not a big problem with a lot of the substance of what they're saying.

01:00:34.000 I disagree with a lot of it, but I don't see anything really that troubling about it.

01:00:38.000 It's the way it's presented, which makes it toxic to people.

01:00:42.000 If you're associated with it, it's not even a matter of, are you cucking?

01:00:45.000 Are you going to stand by and be brave?

01:00:47.000 It's like you can't make money doing that.

01:00:50.000 You can't have a website doing that.

01:00:52.000 You can't go to a college campus and speak doing that.

01:00:55.000 The amount of opportunities you have goes from here to here.

01:00:59.000 And that's not a great place to be.

01:01:02.000 So there's just no way, shape, or form that that could ever succeed in its present state.

01:01:08.000 And tell me I'm wrong.

01:01:09.000 Tell me how they recover.

01:01:12.000 Well, I mean, this is like the whole optics thing.

01:01:15.000 I never said I'm an expert.

01:01:17.000 I'm just a TRS viewer, you know?

01:01:19.000 But the thing is, like, where you say, like, oh, well, we can't talk at universities or we can't make money.

01:01:26.000 Well, it's not about the shekels, you know?

01:01:28.000 It's about the movement, you know? 0.84

01:01:31.000 Ah, yeah.

01:01:31.000 I'm sorry, Nikki Boy.

01:01:33.000 I'll probably become a premium member one day.

01:01:34.000 I do like you a lot.

01:01:35.000 Thank you.

01:01:36.000 You seem okay.

01:01:36.000 I like you too.

01:01:38.000 Well, you have to be able to spread your ideas, though.

01:01:42.000 And to spread your ideas, you have to fund yourself and to get the message out.

01:01:46.000 So.

01:01:47.000 I understand it's not about money for me.

01:01:49.000 If I was in it for money, I would have graduated college.

01:01:52.000 But you have to be able to support your operation.

01:01:56.000 Just look at Richard Spencer.

01:01:57.000 How's he able to support his legal defense fund if he can't even?

01:02:00.000 He's not on Patreon.

01:02:01.000 He's not on PayPal.

01:02:01.000 He's not on Free Starter.

01:02:03.000 He's not on.

01:02:05.000 How could you have.

01:02:07.000 They'll come for you too one day, Nick.

01:02:09.000 If he comes for Richard Spencer one day, they're going to come for you.

01:02:12.000 He's just further on the right spectrum than you.

01:02:15.000 But eventually, if you just keep.

01:02:19.000 Backpedaling, you keep like watering down the message.

01:02:22.000 Eventually, it's just going to keep, you know, it's eventually going to trickle down the line to you, Nick.

01:02:26.000 You've already, you've already like suffered a lot of consequences from your like not even as far extreme right as like Richard Spencer is.

01:02:36.000 And you feel it already, but like that level of degrees.

01:02:39.000 It's a matter of degrees, of course, as with anything.

01:02:42.000 I don't think optics are going to help you.

01:02:42.000 And this is.

01:02:44.000 This is the fallacy.

01:02:45.000 Of course it is.

01:02:46.000 Well, here's the fallacy of that kind of thinking it's about degrees in the sense that.

01:02:53.000 You know, there are people who are in jail because they've done crazy things.

01:02:56.000 Are you saying that, oh, well, for example, Chris Cantwell is in jail?

01:03:00.000 Well, you might as well behave like Chris Cantwell because they're going to put you in jail anyway.

01:03:04.000 Well, Paul Joseph Watson.

01:03:06.000 Oh, well, Bill Cristley, you might as well behave like Chris Cantwell because they'll jail everybody one day.

01:03:11.000 Or, you know, people who say, well, they'll call you a Nazi anyway.

01:03:14.000 Well, you know, they'll call you a Nazi anyway. 0.55

01:03:16.000 So you might as well throw up a Roman salute and put on a white hood and all the rest because it's all the same. 0.85

01:03:21.000 But that's funny, though. 0.83

01:03:24.000 Like, that, like, Like, then you don't feel liberated though?

01:03:27.000 Like, that.

01:03:28.000 No, because I don't believe in that.

01:03:30.000 I don't believe in that.

01:03:31.000 I don't believe in that.

01:03:33.000 Like, if you get doxxed, I don't want to get doxxed, but like a public figure, after they get doxxed, then they can really speak their mind, you know?

01:03:38.000 Then you feel liberated.

01:03:39.000 Once you push away, like, once you push away the social stigma behind and you, like, just throw away the optics and start actually, like, spewing the truth.

01:03:47.000 And Nick, some of the things you say are true.

01:03:49.000 I'm not trying to say you're not telling the truth here.

01:03:51.000 But, like, when you actually start saying the real truth and you're not scared about that, you know, like, That's when you do it.

01:03:56.000 But, like, if you're so concerned about optics, you're scared about it's not about being scared of anything.

01:04:04.000 Don't internalize it, Nick.

01:04:05.000 Don't internalize it.

01:04:06.000 But, like, on Twitter, you know, like people have to be very careful about what they say instead of getting like a real message out there.

01:04:13.000 So, like, once you're not afraid of the optics anymore, you can really start speaking the truth and it works.

01:04:18.000 No, it doesn't, but it doesn't work though.

01:04:19.000 It doesn't work.

01:04:20.000 And, and look, I definitely understand where you're coming from.

01:04:24.000 I don't want to appear, um, Like, I don't get where you're coming from, or that I'm just trying to brush off your message.

01:04:32.000 Because this is similar to the way I thought when I went to Charlottesville.

01:04:34.000 This is very similar to the way I thought when I was in school.

01:04:37.000 I was on the same page with you.

01:04:38.000 You know, why water down the message?

01:04:40.000 I thought the same thing because I said, you know, look, you can look at people like Christina Hoffsommers, where they go and protest her stuff anyway.

01:04:47.000 And people get deplatformed all the time for saying things half as bad as some of the worst people.

01:04:52.000 And so, why hold back at all?

01:04:54.000 And that was when I think I hadn't really refined.

01:04:57.000 My ideas as much as I have now.

01:05:00.000 But then eventually I came around to this just a basic understanding as somebody who's been operationally committed to making this happen that your opportunities are severely restricted once you go a certain path in such a way that it no longer becomes beneficial to, you know, quote unquote, the movement to talk about it, excuse me, in such a way.

01:05:21.000 You know, we want to achieve our goals.

01:05:23.000 If we want to achieve our goals, we have to attain power.

01:05:27.000 If we want to attain power, we have to get elected.

01:05:29.000 If we want to get elected, We have to make normal people vote for us, like our ideas, respect us.

01:05:35.000 To get that to happen, we need infrastructure.

01:05:37.000 We need lots of people.

01:05:38.000 We need networking.

01:05:39.000 And once you go from goal oriented ideology or goal oriented worldview, you can find your way back to what is the best way I can conduct myself to facilitate those goals.

01:05:53.000 If your goal is we want to decrease immigration, for example, or we want to do X, Y, and Z. 0.65

01:06:01.000 To there from where we are here.

01:06:02.000 And you extrapolate it out from we want power, we want to get elected, we need to appeal to normal people, we need the instruments and mechanisms to appeal to normal people.

01:06:10.000 And then you start thinking, how can we make all those things happen in that order?

01:06:15.000 And the best way to do that is to take a message which is kind of all over the place and kind of ugly and censored and at times very vulgar and coarse and turns a lot of people off.

01:06:25.000 How do we refine that?

01:06:26.000 How do we put it in the right package?

01:06:28.000 And how do we get it out to the masses in such a way that it still has integrity, but they are getting the memo?

01:06:35.000 Essentially, and it's actually being distributed.

01:06:38.000 And that's basically been the project of this show because you look at somebody like Richard Spencer or you look at somebody like Chris Cantwell, and I disagree with them on a lot of things, and I've been very vocal about that.

01:06:47.000 Chris Cantwell, who, you know, he's said it all and he's been to jail, but he said it all.

01:06:53.000 Who are the people that he can reach?

01:06:55.000 Paul Nealon.

01:06:55.000 Paul Nealon's a better example because we've had him on the show.

01:06:58.000 He was an America first guy, then he got autistic about the Jews.

01:07:01.000 How many people can Paul Nealon reach?

01:07:04.000 He's not on Gab, he's not on Twitter.

01:07:05.000 I think they'll probably kick him off YouTube, they'll probably kick him off Facebook.

01:07:10.000 Who is he going to change anybody's mind?

01:07:11.000 How's he going to get the revolution to go forward?

01:07:13.000 How's he going to get the counter revolution to go forward culturally?

01:07:16.000 It's not going to happen for him.

01:07:18.000 It's a struggle.

01:07:19.000 You know, you should know.

01:07:20.000 It's a struggle.

01:07:21.000 It's not easy.

01:07:22.000 I know.

01:07:24.000 But you have to have people like me.

01:07:26.000 There's a lot of people who want to say, oh, why can't Nick say this?

01:07:30.000 Why can't Nick say it like that?

01:07:32.000 And those people, they can say that all they want.

01:07:35.000 But you need people like me that are on the ground building, putting the bricks down, building the network.

01:07:40.000 I mean, there are things going on behind the scenes that you can't even imagine right now.

01:07:45.000 But it has to be this way.

01:07:48.000 Mm hmm.

01:07:50.000 It was good talking to you.

01:07:52.000 But does that make sense?

01:07:53.000 I mean, I want to talk over you.

01:07:54.000 I mean, does that make sense?

01:07:56.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:07:57.000 No, what you're saying is a lot of sense.

01:07:58.000 I agree with you.

01:07:59.000 I agree with you on a lot.

01:08:01.000 I just think where we differ is that, you know, I think being authentic and being, you know, being like, you know, just being completely not saying you aren't authentic, but just not watering down the message and just saying the truth is, you know, it's the truth.

01:08:17.000 So attract people.

01:08:18.000 You think you should wrap it in a nice gift.

01:08:20.000 You know, that's just the difference there.

01:08:22.000 But what I'm saying is, you know, maybe alt right's a collective.

01:08:28.000 I'm just an individual.

01:08:30.000 But, you know, the alt right, we don't like, you know, don't turn your back on your cousins, I guess, you want to say.

01:08:40.000 Yeah, I know what you mean.

01:08:41.000 And I think there's a place for the alt right.

01:08:43.000 I really do.

01:08:44.000 Because the alt right is out there challenging the system in a direct way, head on.

01:08:50.000 And so, And I've never said you don't need that.

01:08:54.000 I've never said that.

01:08:55.000 I've actually always said the opposite.

01:08:56.000 I've always said there's a place for them, but I've just never really been a part of it.

01:09:00.000 So I think there's a place for them.

01:09:02.000 And, you know, I've defended Spencer.

01:09:04.000 I've said, you know, look, people threaten to throw grenades through his front door.

01:09:06.000 God bless this guy because he's fighting, in a way, for free speech.

01:09:11.000 He's fighting for things and other things, you know, certainly.

01:09:14.000 But at the very least, he's fighting for the freedom to get that kind of message out there.

01:09:18.000 And so, you know, I think there's definitely a place for that.

01:09:21.000 But, um, And so, maybe that's the common ground is there's a place for that, but there just has to be separate spheres.

01:09:28.000 They can be over there with the ideas, challenging, and there has to be people like me that are out there building it.

01:09:34.000 And it's not fun, it's not easy.

01:09:35.000 I don't like having to water down certain things or dance around.

01:09:39.000 Don't get me wrong, I don't get excited like, oh, great, I get to do whatever, but we have to do what's necessary.

01:09:47.000 Yeah, you got to get it.

01:09:49.000 It's not the truth that matters, but victory.

01:09:51.000 My uncle says that.

01:09:52.000 That's a good, hey, smart guy.

01:09:55.000 All right.

01:09:56.000 See you, Nick.

01:09:56.000 All right.

01:09:57.000 Well, thanks for calling.

01:09:57.000 Take it easy.

01:10:01.000 A great call.

01:10:01.000 All right.

01:10:02.000 A good conversation.

01:10:05.000 A good conversation.

01:10:05.000 I don't mean to talk over them.

01:10:07.000 I always feel bad when I do the majority of the talking, but I just feel like that is a common, maybe a misconception about where I stand on that issue, where for various reasons, whether it's people not quite understand the calculus behind it or people, Deliberately don't understand it.

01:10:26.000 I'm not saying that was him, but there are people out there that try and goad people into doing or saying certain things that are not wise.

01:10:35.000 And that was not him.

01:10:36.000 I think he's somebody who maybe just hasn't really thought about the calculus as much as I have.

01:10:41.000 But that's a very important question because I don't want people to think that I'm watering down the truth.

01:10:46.000 It would make no sense for me.

01:10:47.000 To do that to a certain extent.

01:10:48.000 You know, the reason that we went this route, the reason I went this route, as opposed to keeping my mouth shut, going on Fox News and talking about the glory of the free market, is because I think there's a value in preaching an authentic and a genuine nationalist message.

01:11:03.000 So I don't want people to think that I'm self censoring or anything, but we know that there are parameters.

01:11:09.000 And there's ways around them.

01:11:10.000 There's ways that you can say things that kind of get under the radar, but we know what the rules are.

01:11:15.000 And you have to think about it in terms of pragmatism.

01:11:18.000 You have to find that happy middle ground.

01:11:20.000 I know that that's not.

01:11:21.000 Really, an appealing thing to say.

01:11:23.000 You know, it sounds like fence sitting, but it's, you know, like with Trump, it's simply the reality.

01:11:27.000 We push as hard as we can on many issues, and I've never shied away from the controversial ones.

01:11:32.000 You know, the ones that the alt right touches, we talk about racial differences, we talk about Jewish influence in media, we talk about Zionism, we talk about all kinds of things, the third rail that you're not supposed to touch.

01:11:43.000 And we don't have the same prescription for those issues, and I don't even think we look at them in the same way.

01:11:49.000 We both talk about them, both sides.

01:11:52.000 But I think one side, and maybe you need that, but one side has, in my estimation, very stupidly given up a lot of opportunities and a lot of momentum because they wanted to appease the most pure, or not even the most pure, because that implies that they're more honest than us.

01:12:07.000 I don't think they are.

01:12:08.000 But the more extreme elements, the more out there elements, violent elements.

01:12:12.000 And in an effort to appeal to those people who don't have jobs, who don't have resources, who don't have connections, I don't even think they have two brain cells to rub together.

01:12:21.000 But in an effort to appeal to the gab posters, they've lost the country.

01:12:25.000 We're.

01:12:26.000 You know, 50 plus percent of white people say we feel discriminated against.

01:12:30.000 They sold those people out and said, We're not going to try and reach them.

01:12:32.000 We don't really care to reach them.

01:12:33.000 They have to find us.

01:12:35.000 They have to put aside their preferences, anyways, and listen to our message.

01:12:41.000 And they have to find us on Gab or on Libsyn or on whatever.

01:12:46.000 And they have to really commit to it, really commit to learning it.

01:12:48.000 Whenever we do a live stream and whatever that is and all the rest, they have to put aside all this baggage, make all this progress.

01:12:55.000 And then, even when they come here, we're going to say, You're not extreme enough, you're gone.

01:12:59.000 You know, and so I think very stupidly they've conducted themselves in such a way that they've done just about everything to narrow and shrink the influence of their movement. 0.67

01:13:09.000 And I don't think that's an accident, by the way. 0.70

01:13:12.000 They've appealed explicitly to people who can't do anything for them at the expense of people who can do a lot of things for them.

01:13:18.000 And what does that tell you?

01:13:19.000 You know, the kind of people they don't like are people that are verified on Twitter, people with a lot of followers on Twitter, people with a lot of followers on YouTube, people who make a lot of money, people who are professionals.

01:13:31.000 People who wield influence in media or government or whatever, people in elected office, all these people they say have to be in on it.

01:13:38.000 All these people they say have to be in on the take, and so they're not legitimate.

01:13:42.000 Doesn't that tell you something?

01:13:44.000 And these people don't have families for the most part.

01:13:49.000 And I don't mean to bag on all of them.

01:13:50.000 I know a lot of people that are former that are still inside, but these critiques have to be taken seriously, and they never were.

01:13:57.000 And that was a cause of a big split.

01:13:58.000 Because I was in there, I think for a little while, I was considered in there.

01:14:01.000 I said, look, we have to change some things.

01:14:03.000 There has to be more diversity of ideas.

01:14:05.000 Has to be different strategies.

01:14:07.000 And people said, kick this spick out of the movement.

01:14:10.000 It's like, okay, you lost me.

01:14:12.000 You lost me with that kind of stuff, you know?

01:14:15.000 And that wasn't even just the little people, that was the big people, too.

01:14:19.000 And so I said, you know what?

01:14:20.000 There's just nothing left in it for me.

01:14:21.000 These people have disgusted me.

01:14:23.000 These people have turned me off of ideas that I thought were cool.

01:14:26.000 Nothing turns people off.

01:14:28.000 You know, if you get on this initial high of like finding out new information, you're like, oh, I'm a white nationalist all of a sudden.

01:14:34.000 Nothing turns you off.

01:14:35.000 Of white nationalism and maybe even just right wing politics more than white nationalists and extreme alt right type people.

01:14:44.000 Because you can, and trust me, I was there as a young guy.

01:14:47.000 I was just finding a lot of information that was buried, that nobody talked about.

01:14:51.000 And this is the fault of the left.

01:14:53.000 If they just countered these narratives with healthy debate, which I think there is a debate to be had and good answers for their questions, if they had done that, you wouldn't have this searching, you wouldn't have this phenomenon.

01:15:04.000 But when you find all this new information, you go, oh my God, I've never seen this.

01:15:08.000 This is a whole other side.

01:15:09.000 I think I know everything now.

01:15:10.000 And I was there.

01:15:12.000 And nothing pushes you away from that.

01:15:13.000 Nothing brings you back to reality more than just dealing with people who have just lost touch.

01:15:18.000 Completely.

01:15:19.000 And so that's a long rant, but we'll get some more calls.

01:15:25.000 But basically, look, I've never cucked on the fundamental things.

01:15:30.000 I've never watered down the fundamentals.

01:15:33.000 I've never shied away from addressing the controversial things.

01:15:37.000 But I think people understand that you have to do it tactfully.

01:15:41.000 And I've done it very well.

01:15:42.000 And because of that, you're going to see some big things happen over the course of a little while.

01:15:50.000 And that's because you have to be smart about it.

01:15:52.000 You have to be strategic.

01:15:53.000 And when you do that, you can achieve big things.

01:15:56.000 But so we'll get another caller.

01:15:57.000 It's a great topic.

01:15:58.000 And I appreciate that he brought it up and he challenged me.

01:16:00.000 I like when people challenge me, as long as it's friendly, as long as it's respectful.

01:16:03.000 And it could be a little, you know, I like a little jarring or sparring, jabbing here and there.

01:16:08.000 You know, I'm all about that.

01:16:10.000 But we appreciate that he brought it up.

01:16:12.000 Let's bring in my friend, Gulag Saxon, always a favorite on the show.

01:16:18.000 Hello, Mr. Saxon.

01:16:20.000 Your mic's muted there.

01:16:21.000 What's going on?

01:16:22.000 Hey.

01:16:23.000 I was wondering when Trump's going to start reverse colonizing the United Kingdom.

01:16:29.000 Soon!

01:16:30.000 We've got to take it back.

01:16:31.000 Absolutely.

01:16:32.000 It's a mess.

01:16:34.000 They're a police state now. 0.99

01:16:36.000 Free my nigga Tommy. 0.89

01:16:37.000 He didn't do nothing.

01:16:38.000 Thanks, man.

01:16:39.000 Thanks.

01:16:39.000 It wasn't him.

01:16:40.000 We'll just get done with that call, and then we've got to. 0.90

01:16:44.000 My wigger Tommy. 1.00

01:16:44.000 But that's all right. 1.00

01:16:45.000 You're black, though, so you can. 0.98

01:16:47.000 That is true. 0.99

01:16:49.000 That's true.

01:16:50.000 I'm black, and I'm hanging out with my Jewish girlfriend right now, Laura Loomer.

01:16:55.000 We're.

01:16:57.000 Dropping some fire tweets.

01:16:59.000 So, uh, bro.

01:17:01.000 Bro. 0.97

01:17:03.000 What should the Anglos do?

01:17:04.000 I know you hate to talk about Europe. 1.00

01:17:06.000 I hate Europe and Europeans. 1.00

01:17:08.000 I think they're fucking weird, bro. 1.00

01:17:10.000 But what are they going to do? 0.99

01:17:12.000 I don't know.

01:17:13.000 It's tough because they gave up their guns.

01:17:15.000 So, what do you even.

01:17:16.000 I mean, that's really when people question the Constitution or people question, you know, the Constitution.

01:17:24.000 You'll hear this a lot from the alt-right types.

01:17:26.000 Oh, oh, oh.

01:17:27.000 The Constitution? 1.00

01:17:28.000 Like, shut up, idiot. 1.00

01:17:29.000 That was a meme three years ago, and we're still hearing it, right? 1.00

01:17:32.000 But that's the difference between a country that has a Constitution and has gun rights and a country that doesn't.

01:17:37.000 It's not arbitrary, of course.

01:17:40.000 Legitimacy and power are the two pillars on top of which a government is founded.

01:17:45.000 Any IR scholar will tell you this.

01:17:48.000 The reason that the government is the government is because they have power, they have guns, and they have legitimacy.

01:17:53.000 The people think they have a right to be in charge.

01:17:56.000 And so that the Constitution, Is backed by power and has legitimacy, or that our government derives its legitimacy from the Constitution is a big deal.

01:18:04.000 It's a big effing deal.

01:18:05.000 I was going to say something else.

01:18:07.000 And that the UK is parliamentary sovereignty, that they're subjects is another big thing.

01:18:13.000 Where in the UK, they could take the guns, take the speech rights, all the rest, and they can't say boo, you're left with very little defense legitimately.

01:18:20.000 And that's why the UK and that kind of rigid system of government is much more dangerous because.

01:18:29.000 When you get in a position like they are in now, the only way that they can right the wrongs is through illegitimate outside the system means.

01:18:36.000 The only way they can overturn something like this is through insurrection, is through challenging the authority and legitimacy of the government, because there's no mechanism for the people to redress their grievances.

01:18:48.000 Not really.

01:18:49.000 And so when you have that kind of a system where the people cannot change their government like we can through a ballot box, like we can in a civil, through the system way, it becomes much more fragile.

01:19:01.000 And so I don't know, man.

01:19:03.000 It's very tough for them.

01:19:04.000 They're going to have to, maybe the monarchy would have to step in.

01:19:07.000 That's really the only way I could think of it.

01:19:10.000 They have like a monarchy, and Denmark does, and so does Sweden, and they like don't say anything.

01:19:15.000 Because how hard, like the Queen or the good man, Prince Charles, God bless him, he could come on TV tomorrow, right?

01:19:23.000 Get on TV and say, Englishman, you got to start killing journalists. 0.94

01:19:29.000 And you think people would do it? 0.99

01:19:31.000 Of course they would.

01:19:34.000 Yeah, I don't know, man. 1.00

01:19:35.000 I think it's so gay the monarchy doesn't do anything. 1.00

01:19:37.000 I know they don't actually have any power, but like the people, they do though. 1.00

01:19:41.000 They do, though.

01:19:42.000 I mean, that's the whole thing the monarchy has basically, well, to an extent, they have a lot of power.

01:19:48.000 You know, since that Magna Carta, they don't have that much power anymore.

01:19:52.000 But no, I mean, they would have a lot of purview if they simply exercised it.

01:19:56.000 I mean, they draw a lot of legitimacy from the monarchy, but I don't know what it is, whether it's Masons or it's, you know, intermarriage with a certain ethnic clan, or I don't know what it could be, but they've got big problems. 1.00

01:20:09.000 Lizard people.

01:20:10.000 Lizards, yeah, aliens.

01:20:12.000 Iliums. 0.94

01:20:14.000 Yeah, I think it's kind of weird the Queen's 95 years old. 1.00

01:20:17.000 Could you just die already, please? 0.86

01:20:19.000 Isn't it weird how people in power live forever and poor people die very quickly? 0.99

01:20:23.000 Isn't that weird that, like, Henry Kissinger's a million years old, George Bush, million years old?

01:20:30.000 Isn't it weird how the British Empire was the largest on Earth and they get a female monarch and it all gets given away?

01:20:39.000 True, yeah, you're not wrong about that. 0.98

01:20:40.000 Yeah, very true.

01:20:42.000 You know, you're becoming, hey, are you okay with this?

01:20:44.000 I've been thinking about this for a long time.

01:20:47.000 You're basically the new Paul Town because you post with the mask on, the same mask.

01:20:54.000 I don't know.

01:20:54.000 I guess the similarities kind of stop there because you don't do music and you're not as inaccessible.

01:21:02.000 Yeah, that too.

01:21:05.000 I don't go on really long hours, long rants about God knows what XXX temptation and how he's the devil and all that.

01:21:14.000 I don't mean to make fun because he was having a tough time.

01:21:18.000 Just to quote Paul Town, please don't make fun of me.

01:21:21.000 That's right.

01:21:22.000 You're like Saul Town.

01:21:24.000 Like Saul Goodman? 0.97

01:21:26.000 You're like, you know, you are kind of like Saul because you're hairy and you look a little bit more Mediterranean. 0.89

01:21:32.000 What's that supposed to mean?

01:21:33.000 Whereas Paul, he was like Slavic slash Anglo. 0.67

01:21:37.000 He did a very Slavic look to him.

01:21:40.000 Whereas Paul Town was like, you know, more refined, Northern European. 0.57

01:21:44.000 You're like, you know, you're Saul Town. 0.98

01:21:47.000 I'm like a greasy mutt. 1.00

01:21:48.000 Yeah. 0.57

01:21:49.000 Yeah.

01:21:50.000 A little different, you know.

01:21:51.000 Not quite there.

01:21:52.000 You know, you're there, but not quite there.

01:21:54.000 Can you imagine me, like, eating some spaghetti?

01:21:57.000 I can imagine you eating bagels.

01:22:00.000 What?

01:22:01.000 Oh.

01:22:01.000 Okay.

01:22:02.000 And locks.

01:22:04.000 Yeah, and what's the other?

01:22:05.000 Falafel.

01:22:07.000 I'm rubbing some coins around in my hands.

01:22:07.000 I can't hear you right now.

01:22:09.000 They're really loud.

01:22:10.000 All right, you should get Radick in here.

01:22:12.000 He's in the chat.

01:22:13.000 Oh, Radick, yeah.

01:22:14.000 We'll get him in.

01:22:15.000 But thanks for coming in.

01:22:17.000 Take it easy, big guy.

01:22:18.000 Goodbye.

01:22:19.000 All right.

01:22:20.000 Let's get in, Radick.

01:22:21.000 Let's see how our pal's doing.

01:22:23.000 Hello, Zach.

01:22:25.000 Oh, he's muted and deafened.

01:22:27.000 There he is.

01:22:28.000 Hey, Zach.

01:22:29.000 Hey, what's up, Nick?

01:22:30.000 What's going on, big guy?

01:22:32.000 I honestly wasn't expecting me to get pulled in here.

01:22:32.000 Not much.

01:22:35.000 Just listening to some of your high IQ, big brained viewers.

01:22:39.000 Nice.

01:22:40.000 Well, how were you listening to them if you were deafened?

01:22:40.000 Very cool.

01:22:45.000 I was listening for a while, but then I wanted to hear what Saxon had to say.

01:22:48.000 Ah, gotcha.

01:22:48.000 Well, yeah, he told me to get you in here, and I like him, so I said, why not?

01:22:53.000 I'll bring in my friend Zach.

01:22:55.000 Well, I wanted to make a comment on the question about whether or not slavery was better here than for. 0.99

01:23:08.000 People in Africa.

01:23:09.000 And I don't think there's an argument to be had there.

01:23:12.000 I think it's definitely like when it comes down to facts, life was definitely a higher quality of life here, even in slavery than they would have had in Africa.

01:23:25.000 I think in the long run, we did them a favor, whether or not people regret that favor today.

01:23:31.000 It's true.

01:23:32.000 Well, it's true.

01:23:32.000 And, you know, it's interesting because, you know, a big problem we have is individualism, and people will look at slavery and they'll say, you know, And it was a terrible thing, but they'll say, you know, well, to get to arrive at the point, the slaves came here, and now you have people, their descendants are here, and their descendants have opportunities unimaginable to them because of that voyage.

01:24:00.000 And so, if we're looking at it at the totality of it, if we're looking at it holistically, you can't ignore the fact that if they weren't here, they would be having it a lot worse in Africa.

01:24:12.000 Not only they'd be, even if they didn't come here, even they were coming to Brazil as they were.

01:24:16.000 They were being traded to Brazil. 0.79

01:24:18.000 They were being traded in the Arab slave market.

01:24:20.000 They were being traded in the Maghreb.

01:24:21.000 They were being traded in the Middle East. 0.93

01:24:23.000 All over.

01:24:23.000 Nobody talks about that, but they were all over the place, not just here.

01:24:26.000 And actually, the vast majority of slaves in the Atlantic slave trade did not come even to North America.

01:24:31.000 They went, most of them, to Brazil.

01:24:32.000 But anyway, no matter where you look at where they would have ended up, it'd be worse than America.

01:24:37.000 America's the wealthiest country in the world, the freest country in the world.

01:24:40.000 And, you know, they're all complaining.

01:24:44.000 And there's a very easy way to undo the damage. 1.00

01:24:47.000 Go back to Africa, right? 1.00

01:24:49.000 But they don't want to do that. 0.99

01:24:50.000 And that's not to say you have to.

01:24:52.000 I mean, look, we brought you here.

01:24:55.000 I think it's kind of wrong for us to push them out, right?

01:24:59.000 But for all this complaining that we hear about it, they do have it just on a factual basis.

01:25:03.000 They're materially better off here.

01:25:05.000 And the fact that they stay here is a testament to that fact.

01:25:09.000 Yeah, I mean, we live in a world that's 2018, and Kanye West could be running for president within the next two years.

01:25:16.000 Which is the most powerful position in the entire world.

01:25:19.000 And whether you look at it or not, he's here because of slavery.

01:25:24.000 Everybody, you know, and everybody knows this.

01:25:26.000 Nobody wants to say it because they don't want to be called racist, but it's obvious.

01:25:29.000 Everybody knows it.

01:25:31.000 Yep.

01:25:32.000 I mean, I didn't have much else to say, so I'm going to move on to the next caller.

01:25:36.000 Well, thanks for calling in, big guy.

01:25:36.000 All right.

01:25:38.000 Take care of yourself, all right?

01:25:39.000 Yeah.

01:25:40.000 Take care of yourself.

01:25:41.000 Fortnite. 1.00

01:25:43.000 Stay away from the e girls, Zach. 1.00

01:25:45.000 I mean, they're nothing but trouble. 1.00

01:25:47.000 I don't.

01:25:49.000 I'm being put on the spot right now.

01:25:51.000 All right.

01:25:52.000 Well, take it easy, big guy.

01:25:53.000 See you, Nick.

01:25:53.000 See you around.

01:25:55.000 Bye bye.

01:25:56.000 Good friend.

01:25:57.000 Good friend, Mr. Zach. 1.00

01:25:59.000 But he's got to stay away from the e girls. 1.00

01:26:01.000 Nothing but trouble. 0.98

01:26:04.000 He gets himself all worked up about women online.

01:26:08.000 I don't even get myself worked up about women IRL, but he gets himself all worked up over posts online.

01:26:16.000 It's tragic to see a king go through something like that, you know, such a great soul.

01:26:21.000 Such a beautiful soul who just wants gamer girl pee.

01:26:27.000 But no, it's a joke.

01:26:28.000 But he's a good guy. 1.00

01:26:30.000 It's just got to avoid the eternal woman, the most dangerous plaything, as they call it. 0.99

01:26:36.000 Let's bring in Sean Hoy. 0.98

01:26:38.000 Hello, Mr. Sean.

01:26:38.000 Hoy.

01:26:39.000 What's going on?

01:26:42.000 Hey, what's good?

01:26:43.000 Nothing much.

01:26:44.000 What's up with you?

01:26:47.000 Kind of a disappointing week.

01:26:51.000 Yeah.

01:26:53.000 Yeah.

01:26:53.000 My homeland's disappointing me greatly.

01:26:56.000 What's your homeland?

01:26:57.000 Is it Ireland?

01:26:59.000 Oh, yeah.

01:26:59.000 Yeah, I hear it, bro.

01:27:01.000 Yay.

01:27:05.000 Really awesome, awesome young people there voting overwhelmingly for.

01:27:10.000 Yeah, well, Andrew Quaxon was tweeting about that.

01:27:14.000 He was counter signaling me, and so was.

01:27:17.000 So was.

01:27:19.000 Who is it?

01:27:22.000 It's the one with the YouTube channel.

01:27:23.000 He's like Egyptian, I think. 0.99

01:27:25.000 It's. 1.00

01:27:26.000 Oh, who is it? 0.74

01:27:27.000 It's a YouTuber that's going to kill me.

01:27:29.000 I don't remember his name, but he was DMing me saying, Oh, Generation Z isn't that based.

01:27:33.000 And anyway,.

01:27:35.000 So, for those that don't know what we're talking about, the Irish just voted to repeal, I think it was their Eighth Amendment, which makes abortion legal, by overwhelming margin 66%, I think, in favor of repealing.

01:27:47.000 And 86% of 18 to 25 year olds voted in favor of it. 0.51

01:27:51.000 And Andrew Quaxon was like, oh, beast Generation Z. Different country.

01:27:56.000 And that's not even Generation Z, but I know what you mean.

01:27:59.000 Yeah, right.

01:27:59.000 It's a shame.

01:28:00.000 It's a travesty.

01:28:04.000 And then.

01:28:06.000 Not to post about video games too much, but my freaking favorite franchise, at least when I was in middle school and high school, Battlefield.

01:28:14.000 It's like, yeah, really awesome changes going on there.

01:28:19.000 That's cool, I guess.

01:28:20.000 I mean, not surprised.

01:28:22.000 Yeah, I'm not surprised it's happening. 1.00

01:28:23.000 They're from Sweden, but, you know, it's just nothing sacred. 0.81

01:28:28.000 I don't know.

01:28:29.000 I like the new realism of it.

01:28:30.000 I mean, don't you?

01:28:31.000 We can't forget about all the disabled women who served on the front lines in World War II, right? 0.96

01:28:37.000 We can't forget all the. 0.82

01:28:39.000 All the female amputees who are serving in combat roles in the European theater. 1.00

01:28:44.000 What a joke. 1.00

01:28:46.000 All the base black divisions that served overwhelmingly during the war, man. 1.00

01:28:52.000 They're just served in every military.

01:28:55.000 And mixed, too.

01:28:57.000 Yeah, right.

01:28:58.000 I'm interested to see how they handle the Imperial Japanese Navy and the like. 1.00

01:29:04.000 See if they shove blacks and women in there. 1.00

01:29:08.000 I think they may handle it a little bit differently. 0.99

01:29:11.000 That's just me.

01:29:12.000 But they'll shove them in, yeah, every faction under the sun.

01:29:12.000 Yeah.

01:29:18.000 It's just, it's so disappointing that they feel the need to capitulate to people who aren't going to buy their game anyway.

01:29:26.000 I think it sort of relates to what you were talking about earlier this week about the Boy Scouts and how these people just have this like sick fascination with trying to sell products to people or services to people who like will hate them regardless of what they do.

01:29:42.000 I don't understand it.

01:29:43.000 Like, If you look at the like to dislike ratio on the trailer that came out, it's like 50 50.

01:29:49.000 Like, people overwhelmingly, fans of the series hate it, you know.

01:29:53.000 And of course, you get a lot of people, it's like, oh, it's not because the women, it's because of uh, it's unrealistic in other ways.

01:29:59.000 It's like, no, it's because the women, but yeah, well, and you got to think, um, you know, we always hear whenever something like this happens, we always hear, uh, it's not a big deal, it's not rewriting history, it's just a video game, or you know, when they do Hamilton.

01:30:15.000 And it's all, it's the black cast performing as George Washington, whatever.

01:30:19.000 Oh, it's just a play.

01:30:20.000 When it's tearing down the monuments in Charlottesville, it's just statues.

01:30:23.000 When it's the video games, changing it completely.

01:30:25.000 No swastika. 1.00

01:30:26.000 No, you know, we got female instant combat.

01:30:29.000 We're not erasing history, it's just a video game. 0.70

01:30:31.000 And we've moved to a point where just about every part of the culture is, and even with the BBC, where they were doing their history shows, where they were just changing the races, the characters.

01:30:41.000 At what point are we rewriting our history?

01:30:44.000 At what point are we just warping our vision of history to accommodate progressive and modern social standards?

01:30:51.000 And we always hear that.

01:30:53.000 Every case in isolation is, oh, it's not a big deal, but look at the body of work over how many years, how much has changed.

01:30:59.000 And it's just a rejection of history itself, it's a rejection of reality.

01:31:03.000 We want to.

01:31:04.000 Run away from it.

01:31:05.000 And that's why these differences can't be reconciled because it's two different visions of the world.

01:31:09.000 The left always used to say, you know, well, these things are disagreeable now, or we understood why they happened then, but we should just try not to do it now.

01:31:16.000 People now, they want to rewrite, they want to go back, change, and it's a totalitarian ideology. 0.98

01:31:22.000 So it's a serious thing, but yeah, it's dumb. 0.99

01:31:25.000 It's terrible. 0.97

01:31:27.000 Yeah, I hate how the burden of proof is on us somehow.

01:31:32.000 Like they can rewrite history, but then we have to somehow justify, like, oh, why do you care so much?

01:31:37.000 It's a game.

01:31:38.000 Yeah.

01:31:38.000 Like, it's set during World War II, and I'm not going to treat the setting seriously, but what do you care?

01:31:47.000 Exactly.

01:31:48.000 It's tough out there, but that's all right.

01:31:48.000 I hear you, man.

01:31:51.000 We just got to make racist, sexist video games now.

01:31:56.000 We just got to counter that with some over the top kinds of stuff, you know?

01:32:00.000 We need some more Kindergarten Deliverance.

01:32:04.000 Yes, now you're talking.

01:32:05.000 Now you're talking.

01:32:06.000 And more Civilization V. True.

01:32:09.000 Should be more realistic, though. 1.00

01:32:10.000 The African civilization should start out with nothing and no technology. 1.00

01:32:14.000 To unlock anything on the technology tree, it should take like 10,000 turns. 1.00

01:32:19.000 It should require colonialism.

01:32:21.000 Yeah, right.

01:32:22.000 There you go.

01:32:24.000 Well, I'll let someone else come in.

01:32:26.000 Thanks for talking.

01:32:27.000 Yeah, thanks for calling in.

01:32:28.000 Take it easy, big guy.

01:32:31.000 All right.

01:32:33.000 Sean Hoy, longtime fan of the show.

01:32:35.000 We're getting ready to wind it down here.

01:32:37.000 It's been a long show.

01:32:39.000 I'm tired.

01:32:40.000 So let's see.

01:32:43.000 Let's see, we'll take in a couple more.

01:32:44.000 Let's hear from Breadpill.

01:32:45.000 We haven't heard from Breadpill in a long time.

01:32:48.000 Hello, Mr. Breadpill.

01:32:49.000 What's going on? 0.99

01:32:53.000 Oh, hot damn. 0.99

01:32:53.000 Hello? 0.99

01:32:55.000 Hey, watch the language, Christian show. 0.99

01:32:58.000 But what's going on?

01:32:59.000 I didn't expect to get pulled in here.

01:33:03.000 Well, one thing I want to say, I suppose, is what makes some countries' Catholic churches just inherently better than other countries?

01:33:12.000 Like right now in America, the Catholic church is pretty rough, but.

01:33:17.000 In other countries, it preaches authentic Catholicism that matches up with the scholarship from hundreds of years ago.

01:33:24.000 Yeah, that's a great question.

01:33:26.000 I mean, unfortunately, the culture has a big impact on it.

01:33:30.000 I mean, you've seen in America, which is a great example, there was a lot of Catholic sentiment, more so before the founding of the country than there was after, but there was vicious hatred of Catholics.

01:33:43.000 I mean, one of the justifications for the revolution at the time in the late 18th century was.

01:33:49.000 This conspiracy that went around that the king of England was actually a crypto Catholic and that the Anglican church had been subverted by Rome.

01:33:58.000 And that was one of the reasons how they differentiated the colonies from Great Britain and from the United Kingdom.

01:34:05.000 And so that was why there was a lot of stuff going on in the early days.

01:34:10.000 But towards the middle of the 19th century, you started to see an Americanization trend where even though you still had Catholics and you had a lot of them, to kind of get around this anti Catholic bias and an attempt to Normalize it.

01:34:22.000 You had all kinds of bishops.

01:34:24.000 I think one of them, his name was Bishop Irish or something to that effect.

01:34:28.000 I forget the last name.

01:34:29.000 Fulton Sheen came a lot later in the mid 20th century.

01:34:32.000 And you had Catholics that integrated Catholicism into the broader American culture, which was a Protestant culture.

01:34:38.000 They say that American culture is Protestantism without the religious aspect, without God, I guess.

01:34:46.000 And that's essentially what Catholicism took on, the character it took on in America is American culture, a very Protestant culture, derivative of Protestant values and theology, but with the Catholic theology.

01:34:58.000 A similar case in many countries where the culture, and this is not how it's supposed to work.

01:35:02.000 It's supposed to work the opposite way that the church is supposed to lead the way and change the culture, resist the culture, resist the present trends and wherever they are, whatever time they are, place.

01:35:12.000 But the opposite has happened where you have very conservative countries like Italy or Poland or Hungary, and that's because they have a very conservative culture.

01:35:20.000 And so in many ways, I think it's more reflective of where the people are at, but shouldn't be that way.

01:35:25.000 But that's, I think, why it happens.

01:35:28.000 Yeah.

01:35:28.000 I mean, the fact that every priest and just preach.

01:35:31.000 In Ireland, before this abortion vote, and got people to not vote for abortion.

01:35:37.000 I mean, they said like 50% or some of the Catholics voted for, you know, repealing the amendment and allowing abortion. 0.74

01:35:43.000 I mean, the fact that so many Catholics would basically be in schism doing that and no one even tried to stop it, I mean, these, they're very subversive. 0.84

01:35:51.000 I can't really imagine these are authentic people. 1.00

01:35:53.000 Oh, they're not.

01:35:54.000 Well, and Catholicism has unfortunately, you look at any of the numbers on Christianity in America, additionally, you look at any of the numbers about church attendance or anything like that, religious belief.

01:36:05.000 In America, if you look at any of the numbers on that, it looks like there's a decline of religiosity and Christianity because a lot of these numbers in gross terms are going down.

01:36:14.000 But if you actually look at any of the data, it's all, all of it, for the most part, is driven by Catholics.

01:36:20.000 Like the reason so many of the numbers go down is because Catholics are turning away from religious devotion, from Orthodox religious beliefs.

01:36:28.000 And I think you have to blame that on Vatican II.

01:36:32.000 I think you have to blame a lot of that on the papacy because, you know, the Catholic Church used to be these are the rules and that's it.

01:36:38.000 And if you don't like them, it's fire and brimstone.

01:36:41.000 It's all that.

01:36:41.000 It's all bad.

01:36:42.000 And ever since they got lax, ever since there was this appeasement of the modern world, people have turned away as a real consequence of that. 0.89

01:36:51.000 And that's why you get Catholics who think, you know, I'm for abortion, but I can still be Catholic. 0.88

01:36:55.000 I'm for, you know, gay marriage.

01:36:57.000 I can still be Catholic. 1.00

01:36:57.000 No, you can't. 1.00

01:36:59.000 No, you can't.

01:36:59.000 And the Pope has to take a better leadership role.

01:37:02.000 But I hear you, brother.

01:37:03.000 I hear you.

01:37:05.000 All right.

01:37:05.000 Have a good night, Nick.

01:37:06.000 See you later.

01:37:07.000 All right.

01:37:07.000 Take it easy.

01:37:08.000 Good talking to you.

01:37:08.000 Thanks for calling.

01:37:10.000 Let's see.

01:37:11.000 We'll take one more.

01:37:13.000 And then that's going to do it for us on this marathon show.

01:37:17.000 Let's see. 0.99

01:37:22.000 Let's bring in a couple more.

01:37:23.000 I want to do a couple more.

01:37:24.000 Let's bring in Simon Skola.

01:37:27.000 Hello, Simon.

01:37:28.000 What's going on, big guy?

01:37:30.000 Oh, yo.

01:37:31.000 What's up, man?

01:37:32.000 What's up with you?

01:37:32.000 Nothing much.

01:37:35.000 So I just wanted to talk about some thoughts today.

01:37:40.000 There was a Lauren Southern stream on the Tommy Robinson thing.

01:37:43.000 Mm hmm.

01:37:44.000 Where he, I guess, he went to jail because he criticized Muslims.

01:37:49.000 And I think that you've been a bit soft on thoughts lately.

01:37:53.000 Really?

01:37:54.000 Me soft on thoughts?

01:37:56.000 How so? 0.85

01:37:57.000 Well, you know, I called out Lauren Southern.

01:38:00.000 Uh huh.

01:38:01.000 And I don't.

01:38:04.000 Oh, I just cut out.

01:38:06.000 I don't know what happened there.

01:38:09.000 Where did he go?

01:38:14.000 Lame.

01:38:15.000 I was just getting excited.

01:38:18.000 But he mysteriously cut out and he's nowhere to be found in the lobby.

01:38:25.000 Let me see if he's still online.

01:38:26.000 Maybe his computer shut down or something.

01:38:31.000 Lame.

01:38:31.000 All right.

01:38:32.000 Well, we'll have to get somebody else in in the meantime.

01:38:36.000 I feel like Jake Tapper. 0.99

01:38:36.000 That sucks. 0.99

01:38:38.000 No, it wasn't Jake Tapper. 0.99

01:38:39.000 It was Chris, whatever his name is, on CNN. 0.99

01:38:45.000 Oh, that sucks.

01:38:46.000 But no, we legitimately did just cut out out of nowhere. 0.95

01:38:50.000 And we gave him a sec to come back.

01:38:52.000 Well, we'll have to get one more guy in in the meantime.

01:38:55.000 Hello, Mr. Gibbs.

01:38:56.000 What's going on?

01:39:00.000 Sorry, a bit late.

01:39:02.000 You there?

01:39:03.000 Hello?

01:39:04.000 Yeah, I can hear you.

01:39:06.000 Oh, okay.

01:39:08.000 Well, yeah, first up, I'm a big fan.

01:39:11.000 I've been watching for quite a while.

01:39:13.000 Appreciate it.

01:39:15.000 And I have to give you a big thanks for actually bringing me on to Catholicism.

01:39:22.000 When I first started watching you, I was just starting my look into Christianity as a whole, and Catholicism was quite.

01:39:31.000 Out there for me because my country is quite Protestant.

01:39:37.000 So, yeah, you did quite a lot to turn me on to that.

01:39:41.000 Good to hear it.

01:39:42.000 Glad to hear it.

01:39:44.000 And, yeah, just something on that note is how do you rationalize your current pursuit in life over a more religious pursuit, be that the priesthood, apologetics, philosophy of the church, stuff like that?

01:39:57.000 How do you make that distinction?

01:40:00.000 Yeah, well, it's not really.

01:40:04.000 I haven't really put too much thought on that.

01:40:05.000 I've never really felt the calling for that kind of a thing.

01:40:08.000 You know, I feel like to be a priest, you have to be an especially pious person. 0.74

01:40:13.000 Because to be a priest, of course, you can't have a wife.

01:40:16.000 And, you know, there's a lot of other sacrifices that have to be made.

01:40:20.000 And, you know, it takes a tremendous kind of person to do that, a tremendously pious and devoted person.

01:40:27.000 I haven't felt that calling for that kind of a thing.

01:40:31.000 I don't really think I'm good enough to do that kind of a thing.

01:40:33.000 I think I'm too much.

01:40:34.000 Stuck in the worldly ways.

01:40:36.000 And, you know, I try my best to resist it.

01:40:38.000 You know, on the show, I preach as hard as I can against that kind of stuff, and we should all try to live like that.

01:40:43.000 But, of course, a lot of us fall short.

01:40:45.000 And so it's just never something I've really been drawn towards.

01:40:50.000 And, you know, as Catholics, we're big believers in God's will.

01:40:54.000 And I've always felt directed towards this avenue.

01:40:58.000 You know, I've never really done a lot of planning in terms of my own decisions.

01:41:01.000 I've really just kind of let intuition or whatever you want to call that guide me, instinct.

01:41:06.000 And I think that.

01:41:08.000 I think that's where God wants me.

01:41:09.000 But I don't know if He sends me a sign.

01:41:11.000 I would always, you know, we always got to do what He says.

01:41:13.000 But, you know, if He sends me a sign that's irrefutable, like if I wake up tomorrow and it's like there's a cross burned into my chest and it's, you know, be a priest, you know, then I'll be, all right, all right, all right, I'll be a priest, you know.

01:41:25.000 But I don't know.

01:41:26.000 I felt called in this particular direction.

01:41:28.000 I think He gave me a set of gifts to do a certain thing here, but I don't know.

01:41:33.000 It's just not really my wheelhouse.

01:41:34.000 I try reading Aquinas and it's tough.

01:41:37.000 You know, I always tell people, read Aquinas, but it's dry.

01:41:40.000 I was reading a book.

01:41:41.000 I like, Threw it across the room the other day because it was so frustrating, but we have to do it.

01:41:47.000 So, there it is.

01:41:51.000 Keep up with good stuff anyway, and God bless.

01:41:54.000 Thanks, man.

01:41:55.000 Appreciate it.

01:41:55.000 God bless you too, and thanks for the call.

01:41:57.000 Cheers.

01:41:58.000 All right, take it easy.

01:41:59.000 Cheers, mate.

01:42:00.000 And let's see, did Simon Skola get it worked out?

01:42:04.000 I don't know what happened to him.

01:42:06.000 He just disappeared. 1.00

01:42:07.000 He was about to give me a lecture about thoughtery. 1.00

01:42:11.000 I was looking forward to it. 0.99

01:42:13.000 Proving that I was not soft on thoughts, but you know.

01:42:16.000 Oh, there he is.

01:42:17.000 There he is.

01:42:17.000 All right.

01:42:18.000 Okay, what happened, big guy?

01:42:20.000 He got cut off.

01:42:21.000 Oh, can you hear me now?

01:42:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:42:23.000 You got, you left the voice chat.

01:42:26.000 I think it's ATT.

01:42:27.000 Maybe they're working with Israel nowadays. 0.97

01:42:31.000 They're sabotaging both of us. 1.00

01:42:32.000 Yeah.

01:42:33.000 That's good.

01:42:33.000 But so you were saying about Lauren Southern.

01:42:38.000 Yeah.

01:42:39.000 I just wanted to say about Lauren Southern.

01:42:41.000 So, you know, people say that if you smoke cigarettes, you look, I think, like five or 10 years older than you actually are.

01:42:49.000 And I think coal burning is why she looks like she's like 37.

01:42:54.000 Brutal.

01:42:55.000 Dude.

01:42:56.000 I had to do it.

01:42:57.000 I had to do it.

01:42:57.000 I'm dabbing right now.

01:43:00.000 Well, good for you.

01:43:01.000 But for people like me, it's a little bit tougher.

01:43:04.000 I always tried to maintain a very fine line between vicious personal attacks, but also, you know, kind of like a subtle reminder that, you know, you have somewhat of a responsibility.

01:43:16.000 So, you know, my problem with Lauren Southern, not that I have a problem with her, but it became very public that things had happened.

01:43:24.000 And my issue was that she rationalized it, that she justified it.

01:43:27.000 And of course, people will say it's her life, it's her decisions.

01:43:31.000 I'm sure she would say that.

01:43:32.000 It's my, who are you to judge?

01:43:33.000 Well, you know, we have to kind of bring back judgment.

01:43:36.000 Isn't that kind of the whole problem? 0.99

01:43:38.000 Is people not giving a shit what anybody does? 0.99

01:43:40.000 No standards? 0.98

01:43:40.000 And so my problem was not that things have happened. 0.98

01:43:44.000 If everybody was held up under a microscope and everything that wasn't totally conforming to their ideology or religious beliefs held up for scrutiny, I don't think anybody would pass that test.

01:43:54.000 But the problem is she came out and said it was okay in my case.

01:44:01.000 In my case, it was okay because of X, Y, and Z.

01:44:03.000 And that was really the issue that I had because people.

01:44:06.000 Look up to other people as role models.

01:44:09.000 And so, you know, I've had other people make mistakes and they don't go out and say, oh, you know, it's actually a great thing and blah, blah, blah.

01:44:16.000 They say, you know, we're ashamed of it.

01:44:18.000 It was a mistake.

01:44:19.000 That's the better approach. 0.96

01:44:20.000 So I don't want to say she's ugly. 1.00

01:44:21.000 It's different to a thought patrol for like women who attack me is vicious, you're fat, you're ugly, whatever. 0.98

01:44:29.000 But if it's somebody who hasn't attacked, you know, I take it easy. 0.97

01:44:32.000 I don't attack people for no reason.

01:44:35.000 Yeah, you know, I think that the problem is, Nobody's perfect.

01:44:39.000 Everybody makes mistakes.

01:44:41.000 But when you try to say it was in the past, so it's okay, you have to repent.

01:44:47.000 You have to repent for your thoughtery and for your degeneracy.

01:44:51.000 It's true. 1.00

01:44:52.000 It's true.

01:44:52.000 It's just simply true.

01:44:54.000 And I don't like to instigate because if you had a problem with everybody who was not living a perfect Catholic life, you'd have no allies.

01:45:03.000 But that said, that was an issue I took during the Trad Thought controversy.

01:45:08.000 My real issue is with Tara McCarthy, not Lauren Southern.

01:45:11.000 Compared to Tara McCarthy, Lauren Southern's a saint. 1.00

01:45:14.000 But Tara McFaddy, who I like to call her, I have a big fat problem with her. 1.00

01:45:19.000 The vegan. 1.00

01:45:22.000 I've got nothing but nasty things to say to her after that whole episode.

01:45:25.000 But Lauren Southern, I like.

01:45:27.000 Faith, I've always liked.

01:45:28.000 I really like Faith.

01:45:29.000 And Lauren Rose is okay.

01:45:32.000 She's good.

01:45:32.000 Not even just okay.

01:45:34.000 Yeah, I like her.

01:45:35.000 I just wanted to point that out.

01:45:38.000 And I think there might be a connection between former libertarians and.

01:45:45.000 Doing things that aren't that great.

01:45:47.000 True.

01:45:48.000 You know, Chris Cantwell, as we all know, he used to do meth.

01:45:54.000 So I think that might say a bit about him, about why he's kind of an unhinged guy.

01:46:01.000 Yeah, that's to say the least.

01:46:03.000 There's a lot going on there.

01:46:04.000 I'll just put it that way.

01:46:06.000 There's a lot going on there.

01:46:08.000 And with a lot of them, yeah, just no drugs, folks.

01:46:11.000 Just stay away from the drugs.

01:46:12.000 And, you know, people all the time, they tell me, Nick, Nick, you got to try drugs.

01:46:15.000 Why haven't you tried drugs?

01:46:16.000 It's like, There are maybe 10 people in my family who have died to drugs.

01:46:21.000 And it's, I don't know. 0.97

01:46:22.000 It's just very, I think ignorant people boost that kind of stuff. 0.76

01:46:24.000 And then you look at a guy like Cantwell, among others, and they never recover. 0.92

01:46:29.000 Yeah.

01:46:30.000 So, but I hear you.

01:46:33.000 Yeah, I just wanted to bring that up.

01:46:34.000 Thanks for taking my call. 0.89

01:46:35.000 Hopefully, ATT can sever its ties with Israel and be America first rather than Israel first. 0.94

01:46:44.000 It's time. 0.84

01:46:45.000 We got to pressure them.

01:46:46.000 They got to bend the knee like all the rest.

01:46:48.000 Boycott ATT.

01:46:49.000 Let's get David Hogg right on it.

01:46:51.000 Cancel U verse.

01:46:52.000 But thanks for calling.

01:46:52.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:46:53.000 Take it easy, Vic.

01:46:54.000 Yeah, thanks.

01:46:55.000 Bye bye.

01:46:55.000 See ya.

01:46:55.000 All right.

01:46:56.000 Love Mr. Simon, longtime fan of the show.

01:46:59.000 And I think that's going to do it for us tonight.

01:47:03.000 It's 8 55, folks.

01:47:04.000 You know what?

01:47:05.000 We'll take one quick one because I'm such a trooper.

01:47:08.000 We'll take one quick one, but then we got to go.

01:47:12.000 I want to bring in somebody we haven't had.

01:47:13.000 I like when there's conflict.

01:47:14.000 Let's see.

01:47:15.000 Has anybody got a problem with me?

01:47:17.000 Oh, there's Streamlabs.

01:47:19.000 I'll do Streamlabs.

01:47:20.000 Instead of a last call, I'll take Streamlabs and Superchats because I completely forgot about that.

01:47:26.000 So let's pull it up and let's see what we've got going on today.

01:47:33.000 Let's see.

01:47:34.000 Peter Teff says, Nick, big guy, I got an America First MAGA exclusive for you.

01:47:39.000 The NDAG and the ND Bureau of Criminal Investigation and FBI were spying on North Dakotans using our data to shore up Cambridge Analytica's algorithms.

01:47:52.000 Coming soon.

01:47:53.000 Oh, very good.

01:47:54.000 We'll have to keep our eyes and ears open for that.

01:47:56.000 Very interesting.

01:47:57.000 And relevant, too, given Spygate.

01:48:00.000 And all that.

01:48:01.000 Scotticus says, Hey, Nick, loving the show.

01:48:04.000 I know you tend to discourage video gaming, but have you seen the Battlefield 5 trailer?

01:48:08.000 It seems like another SJW revisionist history of World War II with women and non segregated blacks on the front lines of a white man's war.

01:48:16.000 Well, I think that is the problem for a lot of people it's just downright disrespectful how many white men died in that fight.

01:48:24.000 And there were, don't get me wrong, there were others as well in World War II, and other people died in World War II.

01:48:29.000 But predominantly, the great tragedy of World War II was the fact that.

01:48:33.000 Tens of millions of young white men died.

01:48:36.000 And sure, other things happened as well.

01:48:38.000 I mean, I'm not saying those were the only people that suffered, but predominantly, this was the suffering that went on in terms of just gross numbers.

01:48:46.000 How many was it?

01:48:47.000 10 million that died in the Soviet Union and many more when you look at other countries.

01:48:52.000 Not individually, they lost the most in total.

01:48:56.000 But of course, other countries had tremendous suffering as well and economic cost.

01:49:00.000 And to go back and Change it up. 0.99

01:49:04.000 You know, women were there, blacks were there. 0.96

01:49:05.000 Who really cares about the details?

01:49:07.000 It's just disrespectful to the sacrifice.

01:49:10.000 I mean, imagine during the draft one day you're with your high school sweetheart, you know, you're getting ready to start a great life together, and then they pick a number out of a hat, and the next thing you know, you're off to war in Europe, getting blown to smithereens on a beach somewhere.

01:49:25.000 Terrible.

01:49:26.000 And they take that and they trivialize it, they insert their own narrative. 0.94

01:49:30.000 It's sick.

01:49:31.000 And we have reverence for all the other tragedies, right?

01:49:33.000 All the other terrible wars and terrible things.

01:49:36.000 We have to have the utmost respect, 100% historical accuracy, and all the rest.

01:49:40.000 With us, it's a video game, and it's a goofy one at that.

01:49:42.000 So it's terrible.

01:49:45.000 That's why we're in the place we are today, because all the great men were blown up by war profiteers.

01:49:54.000 White Greenlight says Here is five since maker support is no longer working.

01:49:58.000 Love your and Jay Dyer's content. 1.00

01:50:00.000 Keep beating back the gay pagans and atheists. 1.00

01:50:03.000 That's the one thing me and Jay Dyer have a lot in common with, I think, is we have a big problem with pagans and atheists. 1.00

01:50:09.000 In terms of religion, because I know he's Orthodox, I'm Catholic.

01:50:13.000 But appreciate it.

01:50:13.000 And hey, there will be big news about the paywall very soon.

01:50:17.000 Been working a lot on that.

01:50:19.000 The internet thing tripped me up.

01:50:20.000 There's a lot coming next week.

01:50:21.000 You'll be very surprised.

01:50:23.000 All that is unleashed next week.

01:50:25.000 We have a lot of new things coming on Monday.

01:50:28.000 So, a lot to look forward to.

01:50:30.000 But, like I said, this internet catastrophe really took a long time.

01:50:34.000 Let me take these off while I read these.

01:50:37.000 That internet issue really, really cost me.

01:50:40.000 I was planning on doing a lot today and yesterday.

01:50:42.000 And anyway, Begbie says, Have a happy and safe Memorial Day weekend.

01:50:47.000 Hey, you too, man.

01:50:48.000 You too.

01:50:49.000 TR Pilot, a few bucks for some new tech.

01:50:52.000 Thank you.

01:50:53.000 Thank you.

01:50:54.000 Goes a long way.

01:50:55.000 American Rebel, what is your preferred form of government?

01:50:58.000 Surely not democracy, but how do you feel about monarchy?

01:51:01.000 If led by a moral, God-fearing elite, it would be the ideal system.

01:51:05.000 What do you think, Nick?

01:51:07.000 I think for our country, it has to be a constitutional republic.

01:51:10.000 I think, you know, you can't say it's a one-size-fits-all.

01:51:14.000 As long as you have institutions that serve the various functions that a government is supposed to carry out, I think it's largely dependent on the kind of people, because surely you wouldn't say, not completely, that a monarchy would work in Africa. 0.56

01:51:27.000 There's not enough tradition. 0.62

01:51:30.000 For that kind of thing.

01:51:31.000 You know, a monarchy draws from the legitimacy of the monarchy derives from its longevity.

01:51:37.000 You know, the reason the monarchy is powerful in England is because it's lasted for a thousand years or, you know, whatever.

01:51:44.000 And with all the other monarchies in the European Union, they have continuity, they have longevity, they've been around.

01:51:50.000 And that's why they have respect.

01:51:51.000 It's the one thing that binds the nation horizontally in the present day and vertically across the generations.

01:51:57.000 And to put in place a monarchy in, like, you know, South Sudan, not going to work, not going to work.

01:52:04.000 Would a military dictatorship work?

01:52:06.000 Probably would work pretty well in some place like that. 0.56

01:52:09.000 Whereas in the UK, a monarchy would work.

01:52:10.000 In China, some kind of technocracy, some kind of oligarchic technocracy might work very well.

01:52:16.000 I think it's doing well there right now.

01:52:19.000 In America, constitutional republics got to be the way to go.

01:52:22.000 I think it's conducive to the culture and the nature of the people, the genetic nature of the people.

01:52:27.000 Not for long, though. 0.94

01:52:28.000 We'll have to fuse it with some kind of banana republic type situation, given the new tenants.

01:52:34.000 In America, but I would say the ideal government for America in the present day is a constitutional republic.

01:52:41.000 And it's, as we demonstrated with the monarchy, it's much less fragile.

01:52:45.000 You know, the founders understood that a government is dependent on relationships.

01:52:48.000 It's not about static components of here's monarchy, here's the legislature, and, you know, here's whatever else.

01:52:54.000 It's about the dynamics that play out.

01:52:56.000 They made a system that can move.

01:52:59.000 You know, it's like a house that's built in California.

01:53:04.000 They build it in such a way that if there's an earthquake, It'll be able to shift around enough that it won't just completely collapse.

01:53:12.000 And that's the kind of government that we have.

01:53:14.000 That there's enough dynamic elements.

01:53:17.000 The interplay between the different branches of government, the different levels of government, and the different factions are balanced enough that no one party can dominate the other for very long and get away with it.

01:53:29.000 And also, it ensures that all the reform happens within the system.

01:53:35.000 And this prevents anarchy, this prevents revolution, violence, this intrastate conflict, which is very deadly.

01:53:40.000 So, I'm a big believer in our system.

01:53:45.000 Rohim says, Don't get upset, big guy.

01:53:47.000 It's a rough couple of days for you, but keep fighting and bring the content.

01:53:51.000 We are all rooting for you.

01:53:52.000 Appreciate it, big guy. 0.95

01:53:54.000 It's tough sometimes, but you got to punch Drew.

01:53:56.000 Never give up. 0.92

01:53:58.000 Jew Jossler, epic name, says, Hey, yo, Nick. 0.91

01:54:02.000 I graduated from York High School in 2016. 0.98

01:54:06.000 Almost did model yun, but I decided I was attracted to women. 0.98

01:54:09.000 Ouch. 1.00

01:54:10.000 Brutal.

01:54:11.000 Would you ever do a meetup for fans in the suburbs?

01:54:14.000 Perhaps.

01:54:15.000 I may do that.

01:54:16.000 That would be interesting.

01:54:17.000 I don't know how many people would show up, though, because very few people in Chicago, let alone in the suburbs.

01:54:22.000 And then, you know, will everyone get the message?

01:54:24.000 Will everyone show up?

01:54:25.000 When you're dealing with, you know, if your biggest audience is 25,000 on Twitter, then you're not going to reach a lot of people.

01:54:33.000 Maybe I'll do it.

01:54:33.000 But hey, who knows?

01:54:35.000 I don't really like to say, hey, come meet me IRL, you know, in a physical location where you could beat or stab me, because a lot of people would like to do that.

01:54:44.000 So perhaps.

01:54:46.000 And don't diss Model UN, okay?

01:54:48.000 I graduated in 16 as well, actually. 1.00

01:54:51.000 And Model UN was not for homosexuals, okay? 1.00

01:54:54.000 I stomped diplomatically, of course, on many homosexuals. 1.00

01:54:59.000 They just didn't really have the teeth for it in many cases. 1.00

01:55:02.000 And actually, a lot of them, because I had such diplomacy, well, that's going in a weird direction already. 1.00

01:55:07.000 But because of my diplomatic finesse, the women, the homosexuals, it was very easy to get along with these people in Model UN because these were the people that they were the easiest to schmooze. 1.00

01:55:20.000 All you have to do is. 1.00

01:55:21.000 You know, turn on the charm, and it was like they didn't care about their country's self interest anymore. 1.00

01:55:26.000 With people that were like autistic, this was the problem. 1.00

01:55:29.000 You know, there was the University of Chicago Lab Schools, which was like a feeder school into UChicago, and they were our main rival. 1.00

01:55:37.000 It was like Lions Township, St. Ignatius, which is a private school, and UC Labs.

01:55:42.000 This was the main competitors. 1.00

01:55:44.000 And Ignatius and UC Lab was like the autistic kids. 1.00

01:55:47.000 They exploited the rules ruthlessly, they were like robots, they churned out papers like it was crazy. 1.00

01:55:54.000 And you showed up and you had to write your own resolutions there because it was like, you know, you go up, you debate the issue, and given what people say and the direction of debate, then you write a resolution.

01:56:04.000 They would show up with like binders of research, binders of pre written resolutions, which is against the rules, by the way, but they do it anyway.

01:56:12.000 And they would just beat us through sheer force.

01:56:15.000 It was like arithmetic.

01:56:17.000 It was like when that computer beat Gary Kasparov at chess, basically.

01:56:21.000 And I was Gary Kasparov.

01:56:22.000 I was like the magic man.

01:56:23.000 I was a great speaker, great debater, vicious guy.

01:56:27.000 You know, I was a real killer, but they knew how to game the system.

01:56:30.000 And so, where do we go?

01:56:32.000 Ah, yeah.

01:56:32.000 And anyway, about that, the first girl I ever kissed, I met through Model UN.

01:56:39.000 We were at the delegate dance.

01:56:41.000 Sweet China. 0.98

01:56:42.000 She was China. 0.92

01:56:43.000 I was India.

01:56:44.000 We were in the G20, which is the committee of the 20 largest economies in the world.

01:56:50.000 And the issues were quantitative easing and what else?

01:56:56.000 It was quantitative easing and one other thing.

01:56:58.000 I was doing badly because I had no idea.

01:57:00.000 It was 2013 and I was a freshman and I had no idea what I was talking about.

01:57:06.000 I was like, hey, India, let's form an alliance.

01:57:08.000 Or, hey, Pakistan, let's form an alliance. 0.99

01:57:10.000 It's India, you know, goofball. 1.00

01:57:12.000 But I was giving great speeches. 1.00

01:57:13.000 I wowed the crowd and I ended up seducing China, Miss China, who I don't want to dox her, but there were some details.

01:57:22.000 And we went to the delegate dance. 0.86

01:57:25.000 I pulled her aside.

01:57:27.000 It was pretty crude and lewd, the dance.

01:57:29.000 Okay.

01:57:29.000 There was a lot of grinding going on, which that's not dancing.

01:57:32.000 That's just, There's a word for that.

01:57:32.000 Okay.

01:57:34.000 I don't want to use it because it's charged in some ways, but that's not something I'd like to partake in.

01:57:40.000 So I pulled her aside.

01:57:41.000 We went over by the windows and smooched, and it was a great experience.

01:57:47.000 So to say that Model UN is not for very wholesome relationships. 1.00

01:57:54.000 And there was a lot of Muncest going on, okay, even within the club, without the club. 1.00

01:57:59.000 But yeah, I'll never forget.

01:58:00.000 And then she unfriended me on Facebook recently, so she's dead to me.

01:58:03.000 So, you know, I don't even care.

01:58:05.000 I don't even care.

01:58:06.000 I don't even care.

01:58:07.000 If people unfriend me, if people that kiss me unfriend me on Facebook, it doesn't even bother me.

01:58:12.000 It doesn't even make me want to drive to their house and cut their head off by saying mean things to them.

01:58:20.000 I mean, verbally. 0.93

01:58:22.000 It definitely doesn't make me mad.

01:58:24.000 I'm definitely not bitter about it.

01:58:25.000 But no, Model UN was epic, and I recommend it to the America First Youth.

01:58:31.000 And we've got one more from Shazbo who says Do we need to learn how to write legislation?

01:58:36.000 We cannot expect Congress to fix things.

01:58:38.000 You must write legislation ourselves and create the change we want to see in the world.

01:58:42.000 Yeah, we need to write legislation, but you need lawyers to write legislation.

01:58:45.000 You know, the idea that like a bunch of people need to get together at a dinner party, we're going to hammer out legislation.

01:58:53.000 Look at our legislation.

01:58:57.000 I don't mean to belittle, I don't mean to be rude.

01:58:58.000 But to write legislation, you have to have some kind of technical expertise.

01:59:02.000 I don't pretend to know how to write legislation, and I'm very smart about politics.

01:59:06.000 So we have to do it, but we have to do it in the right way.

01:59:09.000 Build a think tank to create the data for it.

01:59:13.000 Put together some kind of firm or agency to write the legislation and back it up with that data.

01:59:18.000 I mean, that's how you do it.

01:59:19.000 Get a politician to endorse it.

01:59:21.000 That's why you need the infrastructure.

01:59:23.000 So that's what you got to do.

01:59:26.000 And we'll do our super chats and then we'll call it a night.

01:59:29.000 I'm getting tired.

01:59:30.000 Can you tell?

01:59:32.000 Oh, that's a lot of super chats.

01:59:33.000 You know what?

01:59:35.000 You know what?

01:59:36.000 We will take the super chats on Monday.

01:59:39.000 Okay.

01:59:39.000 Because there's a lot.

01:59:40.000 It's nine o'clock.

01:59:41.000 We've been on for two hours.

01:59:42.000 But that's going to do it for us tonight.

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01:59:53.000 If you're nasty, I'll delete it. 0.99

01:59:55.000 And all that time you spent typing up furiously Nick is a cuck. 0.99

01:59:59.000 Nick is this. 1.00

01:59:59.000 Nick is a Jew. 1.00

02:00:00.000 Nick is a fad. 0.97

02:00:01.000 Nick is closeted. 1.00

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America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - May 25, 2018

Quantum Chess with North Korea | America First Ep. 171

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