America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - Reacting to Tucker Carlson vs Ted Cruz

00:00:00.000 *music* But as soon as people start playing games, I stop.

00:00:10.000 I stop playing games.

00:00:12.000 And at any moment, I can hit that yay button.

00:00:16.000 *music* I think I know my first.

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00:00:42.000 *music* Not my

00:01:04.000 words, not my rules.

00:01:06.000 I can endorse them, alright?

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00:05:11.000 And then nowadays, I am so upset that the things we did and the things we fought for and the boys that died for it, it's all gone down the drain.

00:05:25.000 Our country's gone to hell in a handbasket.

00:05:30.000 We haven't got the country we had when I was raised.

00:05:34.000 Not at all.

00:05:35.000 Nobody will have the fun I have.

00:05:38.000 Nobody will have the opportunity I have.

00:05:42.000 It's just not the same.

00:05:45.000 Jesus is the way and the life and the King of Israel.

00:05:51.000 We just leave with love.

00:05:55.000 We're really at a crossroads here.

00:05:57.000 Look around here.

00:05:59.000 It's drag queens in schools. 1.00

00:06:01.000 It's 18-year-olds joining OnlyFans.

00:06:03.000 It's the filth on TikTok.

00:06:05.000 It's this country not having a border.

00:06:07.000 It's the idea that our kids and we, this generation, are never gonna own anything.

00:06:14.000 Think about it.

00:06:15.000 Never making an income to support a family.

00:06:17.000 Never being able to have a family.

00:06:20.000 People being corrupted before they're even a teenager by things on their phone.

00:06:26.000 Sick addiction to technology.

00:06:29.000 The future is so bleak, but...

00:06:37.000 God is using me.

00:06:38.000 He's breaking me down.

00:06:41.000 Removing all of the, you know, richest person, all of this, so I can serve him.

00:06:46.000 I think they've been extremely unfair to you.

00:06:48.000 Who is they, though?

00:06:50.000 We can't tell you who they is, can we?

00:06:53.000 There is no future if we do nothing now.

00:06:56.000 There is nothing to lose.

00:06:59.000 People that are scrambling, trying to protect their ever-shrinking share of what they have are foolish.

00:07:06.000 It's all going.

00:07:07.000 It's all going away.

00:07:09.000 This country is being ripped apart and raped and looted.

00:07:13.000 We're being slowly poisoned and, in some cases, quickly murdered and assassinated.

00:07:20.000 And we're killing ourselves every day, inadvertently, with the kinds of things that we eat and breathe and drink and see.

00:07:27.000 People have got to start to radically begin to obey their conscience and tell the truth and do the right thing.

00:07:35.000 People have got to start to get courageous.

00:07:38.000 And this is the time for everybody to turn and look to God and to pray and to ask for strength and to ask for wisdom to get through this time and to transform and sanctify this country.

00:07:52.000 And the alternative is that there will be no country.

00:07:56.000 Is it really only as big as low gas prices?

00:08:00.000 Is it really only so big as bringing inflation and gas prices and the corporate tax rate back down?

00:08:06.000 It's not about waiting for someone to come in and change the policy and make it better.

00:08:10.000 It's a personal decision that we all have to make to become soldiers of Christ.

00:08:40.000 My own narrative is not one of some sudden, booming bolt of lightning out of the blue.

00:08:45.000 It was a slow and steady, unrelenting stream of blips and blinks, glimmers and glares, low beams and high beams of light, some of which I did not want to see.

00:09:00.000 And then finally, a point of no return reckoning.

00:09:07.000 Why are you called Mommy Malcolm?

00:09:09.000 I think it was because I fiercely came out during the Greupel Wars of 2019 when so many of these brave young men were on college campuses challenging the likes of Zio Schill Dan Crenshaw, questioning him about his undying loyalty.

00:09:24.000 And of course, defending Nick Fuentes and so many of the stars of the burgeoning America First movement who threw an increasing amount of activism are really going to ensure the future and the success of that movement.

00:09:42.000 Roypers and all the alt-riders that got banned, all the alt-riders that got slandered, even people that killed themselves.

00:09:49.000 Our courses paved the way for you now to walk over.

00:09:54.000 And you can't give us acknowledgement.

00:09:56.000 Now you want to slam the door on us.

00:09:58.000 It's not right.

00:10:09.000 In the days after the September attacks, there were countless rumors about strange coincidences surrounding the events.

00:10:15.000 One report about a group of Middle Eastern men spotted the morning of September 11th parked just across the river from New York City has not gone away.

00:10:25.000 *Music* And the Romans?

00:10:54.000 Where were they now?

00:10:57.000 You're looking at him, asshole.

00:10:59.000 Outro Music.

00:11:12.000 It couldn't be more clear cut.

00:11:19.000 The way things are going, this civilization is over.

00:11:23.000 It's over.

00:11:24.000 Forget about it.

00:11:25.000 Everything good is over.

00:11:29.000 Everything good about our society is over.

00:11:32.000 When you drive into a nice, rich suburb and breathe it in, because it's done.

00:11:38.000 It's gone.

00:11:38.000 Go to a nice suburb where the lawns are nicely kept.

00:11:42.000 Where the mailman walks around and delivers the mail.

00:11:46.000 Where people are walking their dogs and little kids are ice skating in the park.

00:11:52.000 And people are driving around and they're driving clean cars and the houses are maintained and kept up and you go down to the bakery and you get a...

00:12:19.000 we can't even get into the transportation.

00:12:21.000 Maybe somewhere you go to a train station and people politely wait for people to leave before they enter.

00:12:27.000 You go to an elevator and people wait for the people leaving the elevator before they get in.

00:12:35.000 Things work.

00:12:36.000 You go to the grocery store.

00:12:38.000 There's food.

00:12:41.000 You walk around.

00:12:42.000 The air is clean.

00:12:43.000 The water's clean.

00:12:45.000 Things are running on time.

00:12:47.000 Things are reliable.

00:12:48.000 Breathe it all in and appreciate it while it lasts because it's all going out.

00:12:55.000 This country is going to be mostly non-white by the end of this century. 1.00

00:13:00.000 That's going to be in the lifetimes of our grandchildren.

00:13:03.000 I'm a young guy.

00:13:04.000 That's going to be, if I have kids, the generation of my grandchildren. 0.78

00:13:09.000 They're going to be living in South Africa.

00:13:12.000 Graffiti, violence, litter, weeds everywhere, dust and dirt and filth, and open sewage, and the water's poisonous, and the air is poisonous, and the government's unstable, and the entertainment is slop and trash.

00:13:32.000 And everything is just going to suck.

00:13:36.000 Okay?

00:13:37.000 We're fighting for our lives here.

00:13:39.000 We're fighting for our civilization.

00:13:40.000 The question is, is it worth it?

00:13:42.000 And a lot of people, you know, they sort of understand where things are headed.

00:13:48.000 It's good enough now.

00:13:51.000 And many people are just trying to enjoy the last hurrah before it's all over.

00:13:57.000 People are living lives of hedonism, taking advantage while they can.

00:14:02.000 Or they're living more responsible lives, but similarly, just trying to soak it in while they still can.

00:14:09.000 And ignoring, living in a sort of self-imposed naivete or delusion about what's going on just outside the city gates, outside of the gated community, on the other side of the tracks, downtown, wherever.

00:14:27.000 Can't do it forever.

00:14:29.000 Can't run forever.

00:14:31.000 The question is, is our civilization worth it?

00:14:34.000 Is it worth it to have a civilization like this on Earth?

00:14:37.000 There is something involved where we have to forgive them.

00:14:40.000 We do have to forgive them for their ignorance.

00:14:43.000 We do have to forgive them for their misunderstanding.

00:14:46.000 And we have to embrace them and say, better late than never.

00:14:50.000 Welcome to the right side of history.

00:14:52.000 Welcome to our massive vision.

00:14:55.000 our massive and ambitious vision for how we want the world to be.

00:15:23.000 He's like, this is probably pretty cool for you.

00:15:25.000 I'm like, yeah, it is.

00:15:26.000 I'm like, yeah, it is.

00:15:56.000 I'm like, yeah, it is.

00:16:26.000 A new droiper war.

00:16:30.000 The courageous fallen, the anguished fallen, their lives have meaning.

00:16:52.000 Because we, the living, refuse to forget them.

00:16:55.000 And as we ride to certain death, we trust our successors to do the same for us.

00:17:01.000 Because my soldiers do not buckle or yield when faced with the cruelty of this world.

00:17:07.000 My soldiers push forward.

00:17:09.000 My soldiers scream out.

00:17:11.000 My soldiers reach!

00:17:13.000 I can't see a damn thing if they walk. 0.76

00:17:19.000 I can't see a damn thing if they walk. 0.76

00:17:22.000 They like Stevie.

00:17:25.000 They can't see me.

00:17:27.000 They won't beat me.

00:17:29.000 I'm in that guinea.

00:17:30.000 We can't go back to the past.

00:17:32.000 That's what people always say, isn't it?

00:17:34.000 They say, can we really go back?

00:17:36.000 And the answer is, whether you're conservative or liberal, right when you're left with, And the answer is no, we're never going back.

00:17:44.000 I would call myself something like a Christian futurist instead.

00:17:51.000 Because Jesus Christ was our past before any of us were born or conceived.

00:17:57.000 Jesus Christ is our present now.

00:17:59.000 And Jesus Christ is our future after we die on earth.

00:18:04.000 And Jesus Christ is our future after we die on earth.

00:18:09.000 We want this century to be the most Christian century in the history of planet Earth. 0.99

00:18:16.000 We love everybody.

00:18:18.000 And we want people that can burn really more than anybody.

00:18:22.000 But this country can no longer be held hostage by a small minority that doesn't believe in the real world.

00:18:32.000 The mission of our movement is to make this country a Christian country.

00:18:37.000 The mission is to create a Christian future in our time.

00:18:42.000 The only way we're going to do it is not by infiltrating, not by subverting, not by lying, which is what a lot of people do.

00:18:50.000 The only way that we're going to make this happen is with the boldness of a real Christian. 0.96

00:18:56.000 It's the only way.

00:18:57.000 We have got to be willing to die for Jesus Christ.

00:19:02.000 We have to want it more than they do.

00:19:05.000 Because if there are thousands and millions and tens of millions and hundreds of millions of Christians ready to meet their final destiny, then nothing can stop us and nothing will.

00:19:19.000 I'm back.

00:19:43.000 Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh

00:20:13.000 Oh Oh Yeah, yeah, we go all night.

00:20:23.000 You gon'send me big, gon'send me big, gon'turn up all night.

00:20:27.000 You gon'send my dream, you gon'send my cup, you gon'send me all right.

00:20:30.000 They haven't a feeling, they've been out and prospered, they've been turning, they jumping, they've lost, I'm tweaking.

00:20:33.000 We got no good secret, we put up outside, you out of your mind, you crazy tweaking.

00:20:36.000 That's what we're outta my lane, bad in my mind, I'm really out of my thinking.

00:20:40.000 Know that you lovin'these lights, you lovin'this world, we runnin'and beg every weekend.

00:20:43.000 So they ain't lovin'with me every time I know you're speaking.

00:20:46.000 All y'all tryin'to get sad, these lights, that world, y'all get to run the bed.

00:20:50.000 I'm up every weekend.

00:20:52.000 Now you see I'm torn off on the table.

00:20:55.000 You say that I'm bad for no reason.

00:20:58.000 Bitch, I'm big up, I'm big up. 1.00

00:21:00.000 On the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the.

00:21:04.000 On the, on the, on the.

00:21:06.000 So I get a hot teddy on my chest, name it, I'm talking about the slide dolls on the VIP.

00:21:12.000 I got a white and a blade, I got a butterfly.

00:21:16.000 I cut through with nothing legs, nigga, fucking lies. 1.00

00:21:20.000 I know they're scared, you go fuck it down.

00:21:22.000 I sit through the middle and they hit my strike, guys.

00:21:25.000 I'm a fly guy.

00:21:28.000 They said they didn't win, they just took it back, guys.

00:21:31.000 You got no pain, I got no pain, you can't even fuck with us, I. You got a tray, I got no pain, you can't even fuck with us, I. This one hit us, they fucking with the world, boy.

00:21:40.000 America first is inevitable. 0.69

00:21:46.000 It's unstoppable.

00:21:47.000 And the reason why is because it's not cool to shill for big business.

00:21:58.000 It's not cool to shill for Israel.

00:22:04.000 It's not.

00:22:06.000 It's big.

00:22:10.000 It's not.

00:23:10.000 This is a Christian nation.

00:23:15.000 This is a miracle.

00:23:16.000 This is a Christian nation.

00:24:46.000 This is a Christian nation.

00:25:16.000 This is a Christian nation.

00:26:46.000 This is a Christian nation.

00:27:16.000 not always fair.

00:27:17.000 You will find that things happen to you that you do not deserve and that are not always warranted.

00:27:26.000 But you have to put your head down and fight, fight, Never, ever, ever give up.

00:27:35.000 Don't give in.

00:27:37.000 Don't back down.

00:27:38.000 And never stop doing what you know is right.

00:27:42.000 Nothing worth doing ever, ever, ever came easy.

00:27:48.000 And the more righteous you fight, the more opposition that you will face.

00:27:53.000 In your hearts are inscribed the values of service, sacrifice, and devotion.

00:27:59.000 Now you must go forth into the world and turn your hopes and dreams into action.

00:28:07.000 America has always been the land of dreams because America is a nation of true believers.

00:28:14.000 When the pilgrims landed at Plymouth, they prayed.

00:28:19.000 When the founders wrote the Declaration of Independence, they invoked our Creator for Because in America, we don't worship government.

00:28:31.000 We worship God.

00:28:33.000 It is why our currency proudly declares, in God we trust.

00:28:38.000 And it's why we proudly proclaim that we are one nation under God.

00:28:45.000 The story of America is the story of an adventure that began with deep faith, big dreams, and humble beginnings.

00:28:58.000 The next generation of American leaders, never, ever give up.

00:29:06.000 There'll be times in your life you'll want to quit.

00:29:10.000 Never quit.

00:29:11.000 Never stop fighting for what you believe in and for the people who care about you.

00:29:17.000 Carry yourself with dignity and pride.

00:29:20.000 Demand the best from yourself.

00:29:23.000 The more people tell you it's not possible.

00:29:27.000 That it can't be done, the more you should be absolutely determined to prove them wrong.

00:29:34.000 Treat the word impossible as nothing more than motivation.

00:29:45.000 Relish the opportunity to be an outsider.

00:29:48.000 The more that a broken system tells you that you're wrong, the more certain you should be that you must keep pushing.

00:29:57.000 You must keep pushing forward.

00:30:02.000 And always have the courage to be yourself.

00:30:08.000 America is better when people put their faith into action.

00:30:14.000 Pray to God and follow his teachings.

00:30:18.000 Today, each of you begins a new chapter as well.

00:30:22.000 When your story goes from here, it will be defined.

00:30:27.000 By your vision, your perseverance, and your grit, you will build a future where we have the courage to chase our dreams no matter what the cynics and the doubters have to say.

00:30:41.000 You will have the confidence to speak the hopes in your hearts and to express the love that stirs your souls.

00:30:51.000 As long as you have pride in your beliefs.

00:30:55.000 Courage in your convictions and faith in God, then you will not fail.

00:31:03.000 As long as America remains true to its values, loyal to its citizens, and devoted to its creator, then our best days are yet to come.

00:31:17.000 Thank you.

00:31:51.000 May God bless the United States.

00:31:55.000 United States of America.

00:31:57.000 And I just want to let you know that God blesses you.

00:32:01.000 And I want to just say you are special in every way.

00:32:07.000 God bless you and God bless America.

00:32:10.000 Thank you very much.

00:32:11.000 Thank you so much, everybody.

00:32:21.000 Can I just say, are you trusting Brian Adams?

00:32:25.000 Thank you.

00:33:39.000 Treat the word impossible as nothing more than motivation.

00:33:45.000 The future belongs to the people who follow their heart no matter what the critics say.

00:33:52.000 We must always remember that we share one home and one glorious destiny.

00:34:00.000 We all bleed the same red blood of patriots.

00:34:04.000 We all salute the same great American flag.

00:34:09.000 Our best days are yet to come.

00:34:13.000 Are you winning, son?

00:34:21.000 Are you winning, son?

00:34:51.000 I wish that you cocaine like me.

00:34:55.000 My own narrative is not one of some sudden looming bolt of lightning out of the blue.

00:35:00.000 It was a slow and steady, unrelenting stream of blips and blinks, glimmers and glares, low beams and high beams of light, some of which I did not want to see.

00:35:14.000 And then finally, a point of no return reckoning.

00:35:21.000 Why are you called Mommy Malcolm?

00:35:24.000 I think it was because I fiercely came out during the Griper Wars of 2019 when so many of these brave young men were on college campuses challenging the likes of Zio Schill, Dan Crenshaw, questioning him about his undying loyalty and, of course, defending Nick Fuentes and so many of the stars of the burgeoning America First movement who, through an increasing amount of activism, are really going to ensure the future and the success of that.

00:35:55.000 Alexander the Great, Donald Trump, we're all cut from the same cloth, and that cloth is very, very large.

00:36:01.000 It's not too big, is it?

00:36:02.000 Hey.

00:36:07.000 Hey.

00:36:08.000 I'll see you next time.

00:36:18.000 It's wrong, isn't it?

00:36:19.000 It feels so right.

00:36:21.000 It's a deal.

00:36:22.000 I put together some real, impressive deals.

00:36:30.000 I like that.

00:36:35.000 Go big or go home.

00:36:39.000 Donald Trump.

00:36:44.000 You know, you're really beautiful.

00:36:54.000 A woman that looks like that has to have a little special set. 1.00

00:37:00.000 It's the Donald.

00:37:03.000 Oh, my God.

00:37:05.000 Hey, Donald.

00:37:10.000 Oh, you look great.

00:37:13.000 Come on.

00:37:13.000 Thank you very much.

00:37:14.000 I'm Donald.

00:37:15.000 It's a special.

00:37:15.000 Listen, are you begging here?

00:37:20.000 Are you?

00:37:24.000 You do.

00:37:26.000 You speak to fact.

00:37:27.000 I'm going to show you.

00:37:28.000 Look at this right here on the street.

00:37:34.000 It's Donald Trump.

00:37:35.000 Are you all right?

00:37:41.000 Everything's separate tonight, Mr. Trump.

00:37:51.000 I wonder what Trump's game is this time.

00:37:54.000 Trump's got a new day.

00:37:59.000 Trump's got a new deal.

00:38:00.000 What's your game, though?

00:38:05.000 Heard about Trump's new deal?

00:38:06.000 What?

00:38:06.000 Trump has a new game.

00:38:20.000 What is it?

00:38:29.000 My new game is Trump.

00:38:33.000 The game.

00:38:33.000 Trump.

00:38:34.000 The game.

00:38:35.000 This sounds like political presidential.

00:38:41.000 You said, though, that if you did run for president, you believe you'd win.

00:38:49.000 I like that.

00:38:50.000 I would say that I would have a hell of a chance of winning.

00:38:53.000 Maybe they went to lose.

00:38:55.000 I've never gone into losing my life.

00:38:57.000 I don't know how your audience was, but I think people are tired of seeing the United States ripped off.

00:39:02.000 That's the guy in the fight, right?

00:39:06.000 Mm-hmm.

00:39:07.000 That's me.

00:39:07.000 Thank you.

00:39:08.000 I believe that.

00:39:10.000 Okay, kids, make it fast.

00:39:11.000 I've got a plane.

00:39:12.000 He created a magazine.

00:39:13.000 Mr. Trump, you can do it.

00:39:15.000 Scamgy.

00:39:16.000 Oh, my God.

00:39:18.000 Excuse me.

00:39:35.000 Of course they're lucky.

00:39:36.000 Down the ball.

00:39:41.000 Your mail modeling would be what it is today.

00:39:55.000 They, they.

00:40:25.000 see America merely as a vessel.

00:40:28.000 I mean, only, only a class of people so rootless in their condition would view America in such a way as merely a vessel for abstractions, right?

00:40:40.000 We're going to smash your brain and win the Bible, idiot. 1.00

00:40:54.000 And I'm addicted to the serotonin rush.

00:40:56.000 Where's enough enough, baby?

00:40:59.000 Where's enough enough, man?

00:41:01.000 Shit.

00:41:01.000 Just need a big mac of stupid, bitch.

00:41:05.000 Strangers, you can move a country.

00:41:09.000 You're not allowed to make jokes anymore.

00:41:24.000 You're not allowed to make jokes anymore.

00:41:32.000 You're not allowed to make jokes.

00:41:34.000 You're not allowed to make jokes.

00:41:34.000 It's not funny.

00:41:35.000 Sipping wine.

00:41:37.000 Having some, uh, some hot stuff and some pizza.

00:41:40.000 Oh.

00:41:40.000 I'm weird.

00:41:43.000 I'm normal.

00:41:44.000 I'm, I'm, well, I'm not normal.

00:41:46.000 I'm, I'm not normal.

00:41:47.000 I'm a tasting.

00:41:48.000 I'm working.

00:41:49.000 I'm original.

00:41:50.000 I'm original.

00:41:50.000 All right, I'm an original.

00:41:51.000 I'm just.

00:41:52.000 One person raised his voice.

00:41:57.000 The teacher couldn't believe it.

00:42:02.000 The classroom couldn't believe it either.

00:42:06.000 But in the end, he had logic on his side.

00:42:08.000 And at the end of the day, he proved his point.

00:42:16.000 Feel like De Niro on Casino.

00:42:20.000 Well, they got the sun and for the snow.

00:42:23.000 No sun and when you're growing on a place.

00:42:26.000 What'd you take?

00:42:27.000 Me and the girls, she's growing on a place. 0.99

00:42:29.000 Put the game, dirty game, what a...

00:42:32.000 Feel like De Niro on Casino.

00:42:35.000 Well, they got the sun and for the snow.

00:42:38.000 And I'm a dick, De Niro on Casino.

00:42:41.000 Right.

00:42:42.000 Feel like De Niro on Casino.

00:42:56.000 Well, they got the sun and for the snow.

00:43:04.000 Feel like De Niro on Casino.

00:43:23.000 This is a Christian nation.

00:43:27.000 This is a miracle.

00:43:29.000 I fear and love God.

00:43:35.000 When you remove the fear and love of God, you create the fear and love of everything else.

00:43:42.000 You talking to somebody right now that only fears God and Jesus has won the victory.

00:43:47.000 Bro.

00:43:49.000 Life like this is what you like.

00:43:53.000 Like try to live a life right.

00:43:55.000 Who really know you and your friends like.

00:43:57.000 This is like a movie called The Shitty Fair.

00:43:59.000 Like every single night.

00:44:01.000 Every single fight.

00:44:02.000 Right.

00:44:03.000 I was looking at the camera and I don't need to fight.

00:44:05.000 Like I was screaming at my daddy.

00:44:07.000 Don't be in Christ.

00:44:08.000 Like I was screaming at the camera.

00:44:09.000 We just might.

00:44:10.000 I was looking for a fight.

00:44:11.000 Like a single what your life like.

00:44:13.000 Riding on a white fight.

00:44:14.000 Spilling like a tight bike.

00:44:15.000 Wresting on the gas.

00:44:16.000 Doing over for the night.

00:44:17.000 Like dreaming at my dad.

00:44:19.000 And he told me it ain't Christ-like.

00:44:20.000 But nobody never tell you when you're being like Christ.

00:44:23.000 Only ever seeing me.

00:44:24.000 Only when they're eating me.

00:44:25.000 Like a Tyler Perry.

00:44:26.000 Pain a boom beat.

00:44:27.000 Churching for a deer.

00:44:29.000 Now you want to see it free.

00:44:31.000 Now you want to see it free.

00:44:32.000 Like to see it free of peace.

00:44:33.000 Tell me what your life like.

00:44:35.000 Turn it down to Christ-like.

00:44:36.000 I was driving with my dad.

00:44:37.000 And he told me it ain't Christ-like.

00:44:38.000 I'm just trying to find a life.

00:44:39.000 I'm just trying to find a life.

00:44:40.000 I'm looking for a new way.

00:44:41.000 I'm just really trying not to reach through the pool way.

00:44:44.000 I don't have a pool with me.

00:44:45.000 Heating on my Pesto.

00:44:46.000 If I could hold a texto.

00:44:48.000 Nothing to tell texto.

00:44:49.000 Got another word better picture or a test smoke.

00:44:52.000 Wrestling with God.

00:44:53.000 I don't really want to die.

00:44:54.000 I don't really want to rest.

00:44:55.000 So Spanish was a life fight. 0.99

00:44:56.000 Everything in my life.

00:44:57.000 Talking with my dad.

00:44:58.000 And he said it ain't Christ-like.

00:45:00.000 America first is inevitable. 0.69

00:45:04.000 It's unstoppable.

00:45:06.000 And the reason why is because it's not cool to shill for big business.

00:45:20.000 It's not cool to shill for Israel.

00:45:24.000 It's not.

00:45:28.000 This is a Christian nation.

00:45:31.000 This is America.

00:45:33.000 I fear and love God.

00:45:39.000 When you remove the fear and love of God, you create the fear and love of everything else.

00:45:55.000 I'd like to propose a toast to the Voipers, to White Boy Summer, White Boy Century, to the reaction and the reclamation.

00:46:07.000 Of the United States.

00:46:08.000 Cheers everybody.

00:46:09.000 Cheers everybody.

00:46:14.000 It's gonna happen.

00:46:16.000 It's gonna happen.

00:46:16.000 They kick me off the plane, you know what that means?

00:46:19.000 White boy summer road trip.

00:46:21.000 They give us lemons, we make lemonade.

00:46:23.000 They throw me behind bars, and I start throwing baseball up against the wall, and now I'm playing catch, because you know what?

00:46:32.000 The only time that they win is when they triumph over our spirit, but they never can.

00:46:37.000 They never take that away from us.

00:46:40.000 Because I believe in God.

00:46:43.000 And I believe in America.

00:46:45.000 And I believe in what I'm doing.

00:46:48.000 We are still enjoying.

00:46:50.000 White Boy Summer is still on.

00:46:54.000 I don't care if I have to drive there.

00:46:57.000 I don't care if I have to get in Lake Michigan and go all the way around.

00:47:05.000 Nothing is going to stop white boy summer.

00:47:09.000 Nothing is going to stop America first.

00:47:11.000 America first, bitch. 1.00

00:47:13.000 There's always a way.

00:47:16.000 In Alaska.

00:47:28.000 White people founded this country. 0.99

00:47:35.000 This country wouldn't exist without white people. 1.00

00:47:51.000 Wouldn't exist without white people. 1.00

00:47:54.000 And white people are done being bullied.

00:47:58.000 Done being bullied.

00:48:04.000 We're the keepers of the American tradition.

00:48:07.000 And I think our ancestors smile on us right now.

00:48:12.000 What we're doing.

00:48:13.000 Cheers.

00:48:23.000 In the days after the September attacks, there were countless rumors about strange coincidences surrounding the events.

00:48:29.000 One report about a group of Middle Eastern men spotted the morning of September 11th parked just across the river from New York City has not gone away.

00:48:39.000 *Music* And the Romans?

00:49:08.000 Where are they now?

00:49:10.000 You're looking at them asshole.

00:49:12.000 *Music* you you you

00:49:31.000 We paved the way with our corpses.

00:49:33.000 Groypers and all the alt-riders that got banned, all the alt-riders that got slandered, even people that killed themselves.

00:49:40.000 Our courses paved the way for you now to walk over.

00:49:44.000 And you can't give us acknowledgement?

00:49:47.000 Now you want to slam the door on us? 0.93

00:49:49.000 It's not right.

00:49:50.000 It's not right.

00:49:52.000 Yeah, look, I'm a real human.

00:49:57.000 At the end of the day, I don't come on the show with all these calculated talking points or anything.

00:50:04.000 This show has always been me just, you know, I'm just talking.

00:50:07.000 I'm just getting on the air.

00:50:08.000 You know what I'm about.

00:50:10.000 You know my story.

00:50:11.000 I'm just real.

00:50:12.000 I'm just real.

00:50:13.000 I just laid all on the field there.

00:50:17.000 Yeah.

00:50:17.000 I'm a real human.

00:50:19.000 We're bringing humanity back.

00:50:21.000 We're making humanity cool again.

00:50:22.000 If you want the aloof corporate robot people, go somewhere else.

00:50:28.000 This is the human stream.

00:50:29.000 This is the human being stream!

00:50:31.000 Good evening, everybody.

00:50:32.000 You're watching Human Beings First. 0.95

00:50:34.000 I'm a human being.

00:50:35.000 We've got a great show for you tonight.

00:50:37.000 Our feature story is about how humanity is back.

00:50:40.000 Humanity is back.

00:50:42.000 And the real human beings are back.

00:50:44.000 And we've got a lot to talk about, lots to get into.

00:50:49.000 Follow my telegram channel at realhumanbeing.org, realhuman.com.

00:50:55.000 Give me your email, which should be human at human.com.

00:51:00.000 I'm being silly, but it's true.

00:51:03.000 It's true.

00:51:04.000 Some people get it, some people don't.

00:51:06.000 It's the human against the haters.

00:51:08.000 A lot of haters, a lot of bitterness, a lot of resentment.

00:51:11.000 And, you know, there's...

00:51:18.000 The human beings have to rise up.

00:51:21.000 You know, against all the hate, against all odds, against all the snipes and the jabs and the feds and the journalists and the doubters and the traitors and the deceivers.

00:51:31.000 The human beings got to rise up!

00:51:34.000 And we got to do what must be done no matter what.

00:51:37.000 With the power of God, with the will of God guiding us.

00:51:42.000 God paving a path.

00:51:43.000 We've got to rise up with our God-given strength.

00:51:48.000 And we've got to be human again.

00:51:50.000 We've got to be really and truly and extremely human.

00:51:55.000 And we're looking at being human very strongly.

00:51:59.000 It's called being human, and we're looking at it very strongly.

00:52:02.000 Nobody's a bigger human being than me.

00:52:06.000 And it's so true, and I say it all the time.

00:52:09.000 And it's truly special.

00:52:11.000 It's going to be something truly special.

00:52:14.000 Thank you.

00:55:42.000 I'm not supposed to be here tonight.

00:55:44.000 I'm supposed to be here.

00:55:46.000 I want this earth on my soul.

00:55:49.000 I'm doing drugs and I have.

00:55:55.000 My voice is nothing but I scream and I'm fired.

00:56:02.000 I stretch my hair but my coat just goes up.

00:56:08.000 Lawrence, I found something really interesting.

00:56:35.000 In 2016, Donald Trump vowed that the United States would buy and, more importantly, hire American.

00:56:43.000 But in June of 2024, during the All In podcast hosted by his donor, David Sachs, he committed that he would not only expand work visas, but he would staple green cards to them.

00:56:57.000 I cannot support this.

00:57:00.000 And I will not encourage my followers to turn out in November to vote for this or campaign for this.

00:57:08.000 It is not an unreasonable demand to say that we will not vote for a candidate that promises to import more legal immigrants. 0.89

00:57:18.000 And it is not unreasonable because for the first time in 20 years, it is the majority opinion that there are too many legal immigrants coming into the country.

00:57:30.000 Ask yourself this.

00:57:32.000 If not Donald Trump, if not now, then when?

00:57:41.000 So they may say mass deportations.

00:57:46.000 They may say illegal immigration.

00:57:48.000 It's not enough.

00:57:49.000 It's not enough.

00:57:51.000 And Americans need to get used to saying that.

00:57:53.000 Native Americans never get what they ask for because they're always telling themselves and negotiating with themselves. 1.00

00:57:59.000 Telling us it's good enough.

00:58:01.000 We need to hear the words, immigration moratorium. 0.99

00:58:04.000 No more immigrants. 1.00

00:58:05.000 No more.

00:58:08.000 Not since he announced his reelection campaign in November 2022 have I told anybody to vote for Trump.

00:58:17.000 When pushed for details on the policy, clearly they are reprimanded.

00:58:28.000 For that reason, I actually don't believe that illegal immigration will fall to historic lows.

00:58:37.000 And this is your America First policy.

00:58:40.000 We need the people.

00:58:41.000 We need limitless green cards.

00:58:43.000 And by the way, once they come in, you can't deport them.

00:58:46.000 So people, when confronted with this reality, first they said it was a throwaway remark.

00:58:51.000 They said he didn't really mean it.

00:58:53.000 Well, he's doubled down on it many times.

00:58:55.000 He doubled down on it in June, August, last week.

00:58:58.000 Now they say, well, so what?

00:59:00.000 Even if he means it, he said it last time.

00:59:03.000 No, he didn't.

00:59:04.000 Last time he was against H-1B visas.

00:59:10.000 Like, you thought you were going to tap the screen?

00:59:12.000 To pressure Trump, except one problem, Elon owns the platform.

00:59:18.000 But now the check marks are being removed, which means people are being de-amplified, and it's being manipulated.

00:59:26.000 They're manipulating the conversation.

00:59:28.000 And Elon retweeted today, or reposted, Trump saying in June, staple the green cards to the diplomas.

00:59:36.000 And that's a reminder, hey, this is what we got.

00:59:39.000 This is the deal.

00:59:40.000 I put in 277.

00:59:42.000 I bought the platform for you.

00:59:44.000 I've made Trump win.

00:59:46.000 And now Trump's going to deliver.

00:59:47.000 And if you're against it, well, there goes your checkmark.

00:59:50.000 If you voted for him, you are a sucker.

00:59:52.000 I expect apologies.

00:59:53.000 I want apology forms.

00:59:54.000 I'm sorry, Mr. Puentes.

00:59:56.000 I should have supported Grape of War 2. Grape of War 2. I'm raising this.

01:00:14.000 I'm back up, I'm back up On them, on them diamonds, 30 city diamonds Girl, you see this jet, you know I'm different climbers Yeah, I got this damn, thought it kind of trying Wish it in their family, wish it in their memories, yeah Hold it up, where you at the club?

01:00:32.000 Hold it up, where you had that gun?

01:00:35.000 On them, yeah, pull up by side, yeah, pull up on them Now I got this bag with hats on them I'm straight out of these diamonds, I'm straight out of these lights Yeah, yeah, how you gon'save these bills?

01:00:48.000 How you gon'save these lights?

01:00:49.000 Yeah, turn up at my show, at least just do it right Yeah, yeah, we go out all night You gon'save me big, gon'save me big, gon'serve up all night You gon'save my drink, you gon'save my cup, you gon'save me all right They had the feeling that they had the problems They making each

01:01:04.000 other, the blacks, I'm tweaking We had the bills, they put my side, you out of your mind, you crazy tweaking That's what I'm out of my lane, bad in my mind, I'm really right out of my thinking Know that you lovin'this light, you lovin'this world We runnin'it back every weekend You ain't in love with me every time I know You're a split All y'all drunk inside this 1.00

01:01:20.000 light, that world Y'all get to run the bag up every weekend Now you see I'm gone off on the tape, man You say that I'm bad, so I'm lazy I wanna be a dictator And you know why I want to be a dictator?

01:01:46.000 Cause I want a wall Right?

01:01:53.000 I want a wall And I wanna drill, drill, drill Power!

01:01:57.000 My love has got no money, he's got his strong beliefs My love has got no power, he's got his strong beliefs My love has got no

01:02:15.000 fame, he's got his strong beliefs My love has got no money, he's got his strong beliefs One more and more People just want more and more Freedom and love What he's looking for One more and more People just want more and more Freedom and love What he's looking for Feed from desire My insenses purify Feed from desire My insenses

01:02:44.000 purify Feed from desire My insenses purify Feed from desire Na na na na na na na na There is something involved where we have to forgive them.

01:02:58.000 We do have to forgive them for their ignorance.

01:03:01.000 We do have to forgive them for their misunderstanding.

01:03:04.000 And we have to embrace them and say Better late than never.

01:03:08.000 Welcome to the right side of history.

01:03:10.000 Welcome to our massive vision, our massive and ambitious vision for how we want the world to be.

01:03:17.000 Thank you.

01:06:57.000 Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Warming on everybody who dared to love Oh

01:07:22.000 All right.

01:08:58.000 Thank you.

01:08:58.000 And people don't realize what they have.

01:09:04.000 And then nowadays, I am so upset that the things we did and the things we fought for and the boys that died for it, it's all gone down the drain.

01:09:18.000 Our country's gone to hell in a handbasket.

01:09:23.000 We haven't got the country we had when I was raised.

01:09:27.000 Not at all.

01:09:28.000 Nobody will have the fun I have.

01:09:30.000 Nobody will have the opportunity I have.

01:09:34.000 It's just not the same.

01:09:38.000 Jesus is the way and the life and the King of Israel.

01:09:44.000 We just leave with love.

01:09:47.000 We're really at a crossroads here.

01:09:50.000 Look around you.

01:09:52.000 It's drag queens in schools. 1.00

01:09:54.000 It's 18-year-olds joining OnlyFans.

01:09:56.000 It's the filth on TikTok.

01:09:58.000 It's this country not having a border.

01:10:00.000 It's the idea that our kids and we, this generation, are never going to own anything.

01:10:07.000 Think about it.

01:10:08.000 Never making an income to support a family.

01:10:10.000 Never being able to have a family.

01:10:12.000 People being corrupted before they're even a teenager by things on their phone.

01:10:18.000 Sick addiction to technology.

01:10:21.000 The future is so bleak.

01:10:30.000 God is using me.

01:10:31.000 He's breaking me down.

01:10:33.000 Removing all of the, you know, richest person, all of this, so I can serve him.

01:10:38.000 I think they've been extremely unfair to you.

01:10:41.000 Who is they, though?

01:10:42.000 We can't tell you who they is, can we?

01:10:45.000 There is no future if we do nothing now.

01:10:49.000 There is nothing to lose.

01:10:51.000 People that are scrambling, trying to protect their ever-shrinking share of what they have are foolish.

01:10:59.000 It's all going.

01:11:00.000 It's all going away.

01:11:02.000 This country is being ripped apart and raped and looted.

01:11:06.000 We're being slowly poisoned and, in some cases, quickly murdered and assassinated.

01:11:13.000 And we're killing ourselves every day, inadvertently, with the kinds of things that we eat and breathe and drink and see.

01:11:20.000 People have got to start to radically begin to obey their conscience and tell the truth and do the right thing.

01:11:28.000 People have got to start to get courageous.

01:11:31.000 And this is the time for everybody to turn and look to God and to pray and to ask for strength and to ask for wisdom to get through this time and to transform and sanctify this country.

01:11:45.000 And the alternative is that there will be no country.

01:11:49.000 Is it really only as big as low gas prices?

01:11:53.000 Is it really only so big as bringing inflation and gas prices and the corporate tax rate back down?

01:11:59.000 It's not about waiting for someone to come in and change the policy and make it better.

01:12:03.000 It's a personal decision that we all have to make to become soldiers of Christ.

01:12:09.000 Thank you.

01:12:29.000 Thank you.

01:12:32.000 My own narrative is not one of some sudden looming bolt of lightning out of the blue.

01:12:38.000 It was a slow and steady, unrelenting stream of blips and blinks, glimmers and glares, low beams and high beams of light, some of which I did not want to see.

01:12:53.000 And then finally, a point of no return reckoning.

01:12:59.000 Why are you called Mommy Malcolm?

01:13:02.000 I think it was because I fiercely came out during the Gripen Wars of 2019 when so many of these brave young men were on college campuses challenging the likes of Zio Schill, Dan Crenshaw, questioning him about his undying loyalty and of course defending Nick Fuentes and so many of the stars of the burgeoning America First movement who

01:13:33.000 We paved the way with our corpses.

01:13:35.000 Groypers and all the alt-riders that got banned, all the alt-riders that got slandered, even people that killed themselves.

01:13:42.000 Our corpses paved the way for you now to walk over.

01:13:46.000 And you can't give us acknowledgement.

01:13:49.000 Now you want to slam the door on us.

01:13:51.000 It's not right.

01:14:01.000 In the days after the September attacks, there were countless rumors about strange coincidences surrounding the events.

01:14:08.000 One report about a group of Middle Eastern men spotted the morning of September 11th parked just across the river from New York City has not gone away.

01:14:18.000 *Music* The Romans?

01:14:47.000 Whoever they know.

01:14:49.000 You're looking at them asshole.

01:14:52.000 *Music*

01:15:09.000 It couldn't be more clear cut.

01:15:11.000 The way things are going...

01:15:16.000 It's over.

01:15:17.000 Forget about it.

01:15:18.000 Everything good is over.

01:15:22.000 Everything good about our society is over.

01:15:26.000 When you drive into a nice, rich suburb and breathe it in, because it's done.

01:15:30.000 It's gone.

01:15:31.000 Go to a nice suburb where the lawns are nicely kept, where the mailman walks around and delivers the mail, where people are walking their dogs and little kids are Ice skating in the park.

01:15:45.000 And people are driving around.

01:15:47.000 And they're driving clean cars.

01:15:50.000 and the houses are maintained and kept up and you go down to the bakery and you get a...

01:16:12.000 we can't even get into the transportation.

01:16:14.000 Maybe somewhere you go to a train station and people politely wait for people to leave before they enter.

01:16:20.000 You go to an elevator and people wait for the people leaving the elevator before they get in.

01:16:27.000 Things work.

01:16:29.000 You go to the grocery store.

01:16:31.000 There's food.

01:16:34.000 You walk around.

01:16:35.000 The air is clean.

01:16:36.000 The water's clean.

01:16:38.000 Things are running on time.

01:16:40.000 Things are reliable.

01:16:41.000 Breathe it all in and appreciate it while it lasts because it's all going out.

01:16:48.000 This country is going to be mostly non-white by the end of this century. 1.00

01:16:53.000 That's going to be in the lifetimes of our grandchildren.

01:16:56.000 I'm a young guy.

01:16:57.000 That's going to be, if I have kids, a generation of my grandchildren.

01:17:02.000 They're going to be living in South Africa.

01:17:05.000 Graffiti, violence, litter, weeds everywhere, dust and dirt and filth.

01:17:13.000 And open sewage.

01:17:16.000 And the water's poisonous and the air is poisonous.

01:17:19.000 And the government's unstable.

01:17:22.000 And the entertainment is slop and trash.

01:17:25.000 And everything is just going to suck.

01:17:28.000 Okay?

01:17:30.000 We're fighting for our lives here.

01:17:32.000 We're fighting for our civilization.

01:17:33.000 The question is, is it worth it?

01:17:35.000 And a lot of people, you know, they sort of understand where things are headed.

01:17:41.000 It's good enough now.

01:17:43.000 And many people are just trying to enjoy the last hurrah before it's all over.

01:17:50.000 People are living lives of hedonism, taking advantage while they can.

01:17:55.000 Or they're living more responsible lives, but similarly, just trying to soak it in while they still can.

01:18:02.000 And ignoring, living in a sort of self-imposed naivete or delusion about what's going on just outside the city gates, outside of the gated community, on the other side of the tracks, downtown, wherever.

01:18:20.000 Can't do it forever.

01:18:21.000 Can't run forever.

01:18:24.000 The question is, is our civilization worth it?

01:18:26.000 Is it worth it to have a civilization like this on Earth?

01:18:30.000 There is something involved where we have to forgive them.

01:18:33.000 We do have to forgive them for their ignorance.

01:18:36.000 We do have to forgive them for their misunderstanding.

01:18:39.000 And we have to embrace them and say, better late than never.

01:18:43.000 Welcome to the right side of history.

01:18:45.000 Welcome to our massive vision.

01:18:48.000 our massive and ambitious vision for how we want the world to be.

01:18:52.000 Thank you.

01:19:15.000 Saying to me is like this is probably pretty cool for you.

01:19:18.000 I'm like yeah Because

01:20:45.000 we, the living, refuse to forget them!

01:20:48.000 And as we ride to certain death, we trust our successors to do the same for us!

01:20:54.000 Because my soldiers do not buckle or yield when faced with the cruelty of this world!

01:21:00.000 My soldiers push forward!

01:21:02.000 My soldiers scream out!

01:21:04.000 My soldiers rage!

01:21:07.000 You can't go back to the past.

01:21:25.000 That's what people always say, isn't it?

01:21:27.000 They say, "Can we really go back?" And the answer is, whether you're conservative or liberal, We're never going back.

01:21:36.000 It's gone.

01:21:37.000 It's gone.

01:21:38.000 All of that is gone.

01:21:39.000 But I would call myself something like a Christian futurist instead.

01:21:44.000 Because Jesus Christ was our past before any of us were born or conceived.

01:21:49.000 Jesus Christ is our present now.

01:21:52.000 And Jesus Christ is our future after we die.

01:21:56.000 on Earth.

01:22:02.000 We want this century to be the most Christian century in the history of planet Earth. 0.99

01:22:09.000 We love everybody.

01:22:11.000 And we want people to convert really more than anybody.

01:22:15.000 But this country can no longer be held hostage by a small minority that doesn't look good in the real world. 1.00

01:22:22.000 The mission of our movement is to make this country a Christian country.

01:22:30.000 The mission is to create a Christian future in our time.

01:22:34.000 The only way we're going to do it is not by infiltrating, not by subverting, not by lying, which is what a lot of people do.

01:22:43.000 The only way that we're going to make this happen is with the boldness of a real Christian. 0.96

01:22:49.000 It's the only way.

01:22:50.000 We have got to be willing to die for Jesus Christ.

01:22:55.000 We have to want it more than they do.

01:22:58.000 Because if there are thousands and millions and tens of millions and hundreds of millions of Christians ready to meet their final destiny, then nothing can stop us.

01:23:11.000 I'm dropping you.

01:23:12.000 of th on

01:23:37.000 on on on on on on on on on on On 'em, uh, now I got this bag, my hat, shit.

01:24:02.000 On'em, uh.

01:24:03.000 I'm straight out of these diamonds, I'm straight out of these lights.

01:24:07.000 Yeah, yeah, how you gon'save these bills?

01:24:08.000 How you gon'save these lights?

01:24:10.000 Yeah, turn about my show, actually just do it right.

01:24:13.000 Yeah, yeah, we go all night.

01:24:16.000 You gon'save me big, gon'save me big, gon'serve the all night.

01:24:20.000 You gon'save my dream, you gon'save my cup, you gon'save me all right.

01:24:23.000 They had a ability to be out of front of the bank, and they tell me the blocks I'm tweakin'.

01:24:26.000 We got the bills, we put my side, you outta your mind, you crazy tweakin'.

01:24:29.000 We got the middle of my lane, bad in my mind, and really, but out of my bankin'.

01:24:33.000 Know that you lovin'these lights, you lovin'this world, we runnin'and beggin'.

01:24:35.000 We can see it.

01:24:36.000 Love with me every time I know what you believe.

01:24:39.000 All y'all drunk inside this life, that world.

01:24:42.000 Y'all get to run the bed up every weekend.

01:24:46.000 Let me see I'm gone off on the table.

01:24:49.000 You say that I'm bad for no reason.

01:24:52.000 Bitch, I'm big up. 1.00

01:24:54.000 On'em, on'em, on'em, on'em, on'em.

01:24:59.000 Tell me that, how the teddy on my chest, name me, take me, I'm going to slide those in the VIP We got one of them, I got the butterflies I cut them over, not these legs, they ain't a fucking lie We should know this kid ain't saying, you can't fucking die I said, put them in the belly, I'm so I got you I'm a fire, I'm all inside the belly, I'm so I got you We got no pain, I got no pain, you can't even fight with a tie We got no

01:25:28.000 pain, you can't even fight with a tie It's a hater, they fucking with the wrong one America first is inevitable, it's unstoppable And the reason why is because it's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's

01:25:58.000 not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's bad It's bad It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's

01:26:28.000 not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to

01:26:58.000 share a big business This is a Christian nation This is a miracle This is a Christian nation This is a

01:27:28.000 Christian nation I love

01:27:49.000 you.

01:28:01.000 I love you.

01:28:31.000 Yeah, bro.

01:28:31.000 Come on, man.

01:28:33.000 This is a free man talking.

01:29:34.000 This is a free man talking.

01:30:04.000 This is a free man talking.

01:30:34.000 This is a free man talking.

01:30:50.000 Years from now, some of them may look back and ask themselves whether they've made the right choice, whether they've made the most of the opportunities they've been given.

01:31:01.000 Together, we have the same mission.

01:31:04.000 Over the course of your life, you will find that things are not always fair.

01:31:10.000 You will find that things happen to you that you do not deserve and that are not always warranted.

01:31:18.000 But you have to put your head down and fight, fight, fight.

01:31:25.000 Never, ever, ever give up.

01:31:28.000 Don't give in.

01:31:30.000 Don't back down.

01:31:31.000 And never stop doing what you know is right.

01:31:35.000 Nothing worth doing ever, ever, ever came easy.

01:31:41.000 And the more righteous you fight, the more opposition that you will face.

01:31:46.000 In your hearts.

01:31:47.000 Are inscribed the values of service, sacrifice, and devotion.

01:31:52.000 Now you must go forth into the world and turn your hopes and dreams into action.

01:32:00.000 America has always been the land of dreams because America is a nation of true believers.

01:32:07.000 When the pilgrims landed at Plymouth, they prayed.

01:32:12.000 When the founders wrote the Declaration of Independence, They invoked our Creator four times.

01:32:20.000 Because in America, we don't worship government.

01:32:23.000 We worship God.

01:32:25.000 It is why our currency proudly declares, "In God we trust." And it's why we proudly proclaim that we are one nation under God.

01:32:38.000 The story of America is the story of an adventure that began with deep faith, big dreams, And humble beginnings.

01:32:51.000 The next generation of American leaders, never, ever give up.

01:32:59.000 There'll be times in your life you'll want to quit.

01:33:03.000 Never quit.

01:33:04.000 Never stop fighting for what you believe in and for the people who care about you.

01:33:10.000 Carry yourself with dignity and pride.

01:33:13.000 Demand the best from yourself.

01:33:16.000 The more people tell you it's not possible, that it can't be done, the more you should be absolutely determined to prove them wrong.

01:33:27.000 Treat the word impossible as nothing more than motivation.

01:33:37.000 Relish the opportunity to be an outsider.

01:33:40.000 The more that a broken system tells you that you're wrong, The more certain you should be that you must keep pushing ahead.

01:33:51.000 You must keep pushing forward.

01:33:54.000 And always have the courage to be yourself.

01:34:00.000 America is better when people put their faith into action.

01:34:06.000 Pray to God and follow His teachings.

01:34:11.000 Today, each of you begins a new chapter as well.

01:34:15.000 When your story goes from here, it will be defined by your vision, your perseverance, and your grit.

01:34:25.000 You will build a future where we have the courage to chase our dreams no matter what the cynics and the doubters have to say.

01:34:34.000 You will have the confidence to speak the hopes in your hearts.

01:34:39.000 And to express the love that stirs your souls.

01:34:44.000 As long as you have pride in your beliefs, courage in your convictions, and faith in God, then you will not fail.

01:34:55.000 As long as America remains true to its values, loyal to its citizens, and devoted to its creator, then our best days are yet to come.

01:35:10.000 Thank you.

01:35:40.000 Thank you.

01:35:42.000 May God bless the United States of America.

01:35:50.000 And I just want to let you know that God blesses you.

01:35:54.000 And I want to just say, you are special in every way.

01:36:00.000 God bless you, and God bless America.

01:36:03.000 Thank you very much.

01:36:03.000 Thank you so much, everybody.

01:36:13.000 Can I just say, are you trusting Brian?

01:36:17.000 Yes.

01:36:18.000 Thank you.

01:36:48.000 Thank you.

01:37:18.000 Just keep pushing ahead.

01:37:21.000 Because it's the outsiders who change the world and who make a real and lasting difference.

01:37:27.000 Nothing worth doing ever came easy.

01:37:32.000 Treat the word impossible as nothing more than motivation.

01:37:38.000 The future belongs to the people who follow their heart no matter what the critics say.

01:37:45.000 We must always remember that we share one home and one Glorious destiny.

01:37:53.000 We all bleed the same red blood of patriots.

01:37:57.000 We all salute the same great American flag.

01:38:02.000 Our best days are yet to come.

01:38:06.000 Are you an instant?

01:38:13.000 Are you an instant?

01:38:43.000 I wish that you could get my patient.

01:38:48.000 My narrative is not one of some sudden, booming bolt of lightning out of the blue.

01:38:52.000 It was a slow and steady, unrelenting stream of blips and blinks, glimmers and glares, low beams and high beams of light, some of which I did not want to see.

01:39:07.000 And then finally, a point of no return reckoning.

01:39:14.000 Why are you called Mommy Malcolm?

01:39:17.000 I think it was because I fiercely came out during the Greupel Wars of 2019 when so many of these brave young men were on college campuses challenging the likes of Zio Schill, Dan Crenshaw, questioning him about his undying loyalty and, of course, defending Nick Fuentes and so many of the stars of the burgeoning America First movement who, through an increasing amount of activism, are really going to ensure the future and the success of that movement.

01:39:47.000 Napoleon, Alexander the Great, Donald Trump, were all cut from the same cloth, and that cloth is very, very large.

01:39:54.000 It's not too big, is it?

01:39:55.000 Hey.

01:39:59.000 Hey.

01:40:10.000 It's wrong, isn't it?

01:40:12.000 I think it feels so right.

01:40:14.000 It's a deal.

01:40:15.000 I put together some real aggressive deals.

01:40:23.000 I like that.

01:40:28.000 Go gig or go home.

01:40:32.000 Donald Trump.

01:40:37.000 You know, you're really beautiful.

01:40:47.000 The woman who looks like that has to have a little special scent. 1.00

01:40:53.000 It's the diamond.

01:40:56.000 Oh, my God.

01:40:58.000 Hey, Donald.

01:41:03.000 Oh, you look great.

01:41:05.000 Oh, thank you very much.

01:41:07.000 I'm Donald.

01:41:07.000 It's a special.

01:41:08.000 Listen, are you begging him?

01:41:13.000 Are you?

01:41:17.000 No.

01:41:19.000 You speak to fact.

01:41:20.000 I'm going to show you.

01:41:21.000 Look at this right here on the street.

01:41:26.000 It's Donald Trump.

01:41:27.000 Are you wrong?

01:41:34.000 Everything's set for tonight, Mr. Trump.

01:41:43.000 I wonder what Trump's game is this time.

01:41:47.000 Trump's got a new day.

01:41:52.000 Trump's got a new deal.

01:41:53.000 What's your game, though?

01:41:57.000 Heard about Trump's new deal?

01:41:59.000 What?

01:41:59.000 Trump has a new game.

01:42:13.000 What is it?

01:42:14.000 My new game is Trump.

01:42:25.000 The game.

01:42:26.000 Trump's new.

01:42:27.000 The game.

01:42:27.000 This sounds like political presidential.

01:42:33.000 You said, though, that if you did run for president, you believe you'd win.

01:42:38.000 I like that.

01:42:44.000 I would say that I would have a hell of a chance of winning.

01:42:46.000 I knew that I went to lose.

01:42:48.000 I've never gone into losing my life.

01:42:50.000 I don't know how your audience knows, but I think people are tired of seeing the United States ripped off.

01:42:55.000 That's the guy on the floor, right?

01:42:59.000 Mm-hmm.

01:42:59.000 Thank you.

01:43:00.000 Thank you.

01:43:01.000 I wouldn't help you.

01:43:02.000 Okay, kids, make it fast.

01:43:04.000 I've got a plane to do it.

01:43:05.000 Can you create a magazine?

01:43:06.000 Mr. Trump, I think he's doing it.

01:43:08.000 Scary.

01:43:09.000 Scary.

01:43:09.000 so

01:43:23.000 excuse me your male modeling would be what it is today

01:43:51.000 you gotta be with some money on this

01:44:15.000 you know they they see america merely as a vessel i mean only only a class of people so rootless

01:44:27.000 you america in such a way is merely a vessel for abstractions right we're gonna smash your brain and read the bible idiot and i'm addicted to the serotonin rush where's enough enough baby where's enough enough man i see just eat a big mac 0.75

01:44:57.000 you stupid you you you you you you you you you you you you you 0.97

01:45:27.000 you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you

01:45:57.000 you you you you you you you you you you I feel like the nigga 0.99

01:46:27.000 on Casino, where they got the son in for the casino.

01:46:31.000 And I'm addicted to Sarah Taylor Rush.

01:46:34.000 I feel like the nigga on Casino, where they got the son in for the casino. 1.00

01:46:52.000 I feel like the nigga on Casino. 1.00

01:47:01.000 I feel like the nigga on Casino. 1.00

01:47:05.000 It's not cool to shill for Israel.

01:47:11.000 It's not.

01:47:12.000 This is a Christian nation.

01:47:19.000 This is America.

01:47:20.000 I fear and love God.

01:47:27.000 When you remove the fear and love of God, you create the fear and love of everything else.

01:47:34.000 You talking to somebody right now that only fears God and Jesus has won the victory.

01:47:40.000 Bro.

01:47:41.000 I feel like this is what you like.

01:47:46.000 I try to live life right.

01:47:48.000 I don't really know you.

01:47:49.000 I like life right.

01:47:50.000 This is like a movie.

01:47:51.000 I like life.

01:47:53.000 Every single night.

01:47:54.000 I like life.

01:47:55.000 I was looking at.

01:47:56.000 I don't need.

01:47:57.000 I like life.

01:47:58.000 I was screaming.

01:47:59.000 I don't be in Christ.

01:48:00.000 Like I was screaming.

01:48:02.000 Just like my wife, right? 0.99

01:48:04.000 Like what you like?

01:48:06.000 Like riding on a white bike, feeling like a tight bike, pressing on the gas, feeling over for the night, like dreaming at my dad and he told me it ain't Christ-like.

01:48:14.000 But nobody never tell you who you're being like Christ.

01:48:16.000 Only if I see it in you, always when they keep me, like a Tyler Perry made a movie, you're in deep, searching for a deed.

01:48:23.000 Now you want to see it free, now you want to see it free, like to see it free of peace.

01:48:27.000 Tell me what your life like, turn it down to Christ-like.

01:48:29.000 Just driving with my dad and he told me it ain't Christ-like.

01:48:32.000 I'm just trying to find out if I look for a new way.

01:48:34.000 I'm just really trying not to rig through the poolway.

01:48:37.000 I don't have a pool to eat.

01:48:38.000 I'm eating on my pesto, if I could hold a texto, doesn't tell texto.

01:48:42.000 I'm just another word, better picture or a test smoke.

01:48:45.000 Wrestling with God, I don't really want to wrestle.

01:48:47.000 Manage with a life like, everything in my life.

01:48:50.000 Talking with my dad and he said it ain't Christ-like.

01:48:53.000 America first is inevitable, everything unstoppable.

01:48:59.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:49:00.000 And the reason why is because it's not cool to shill for big business.

01:49:10.000 It's not cool to shill for Israel.

01:49:16.000 It's not.

01:49:18.000 This is a Christian nation.

01:49:24.000 This is America.

01:49:25.000 America.

01:49:27.000 I fear and love God.

01:49:32.000 When you remove the fear and love of God, you create the fear and love of everything else.

01:49:40.000 I like to propose a toast.

01:49:44.000 you Cheers everybody.

01:50:02.000 Cheers.

01:50:03.000 you you It's gonna happen.

01:50:08.000 It's gonna happen.

01:50:09.000 They kick me off the plane, you know what that means?

01:50:11.000 White boy summer road trip.

01:50:13.000 They give us lemons, we make lemonade.

01:50:15.000 They throw me behind bars, and I start throwing baseball up again.

01:50:21.000 The only time that they win is when they triumph over our spirit, but they never can.

01:50:30.000 They never take that away from us.

01:50:33.000 Because I believe in God.

01:50:35.000 And I believe in America.

01:50:37.000 And I believe in what I'm doing.

01:50:40.000 We are still enjoying.

01:50:43.000 White Boy Summer is still on.

01:50:46.000 I don't care if I have to drive there.

01:50:50.000 I don't care if I have to get in Lake Michigan and go all the way around the Panama Canal.

01:50:58.000 Nothing is going to stop White Boy Summer.

01:51:02.000 Nothing is going to stop America first.

01:51:04.000 America first, bitch. 1.00

01:51:06.000 There's always a way.

01:51:08.000 In Alaska, white people found in this country.

01:51:28.000 This country wouldn't exist without white people. 1.00

01:51:44.000 Wouldn't exist without white people. 1.00

01:51:46.000 And white people are done being bullied.

01:51:51.000 Done being bullied.

01:51:57.000 We're the keepers of the American tradition.

01:52:00.000 And I think our ancestors smile on us right now for what we're doing.

01:52:06.000 Cheers.

01:52:15.000 In the days after the September attacks, there were countless rumors about strange coincidences surrounding the events.

01:52:22.000 One report about a group of Middle Eastern men spotted the morning of September 11th parked just across the river from New York City has not gone away.

01:52:32.000 *music* And the Romans?

01:53:00.000 Where are they now?

01:53:02.000 You're looking at them asshole.

01:53:04.000 *music* you you you

01:53:23.000 We paved the way with our corpses.

01:53:26.000 Ruypers, and all the alt-riders that got banned, all the alt-riders that got slandered, even people that killed themselves.

01:53:33.000 Our courses paved the way for you now to walk over.

01:53:37.000 And you can't give us acknowledgement?

01:53:40.000 Now you want to slam the door on us? 0.93

01:53:42.000 It's not right.

01:53:43.000 It's not right Getting on the air, you know what I'm about, you know, you know my story Real real I just laid all on the field there I I'm a real human.

01:54:12.000 We're bringing humanity back.

01:54:13.000 We're making humanity cool again.

01:54:15.000 If you want the aloof corporate robot people, go somewhere else.

01:54:21.000 This is the human stream.

01:54:22.000 This is the human being stream!

01:54:24.000 Good evening everybody.

01:54:25.000 You're watching Human Beings First. 0.95

01:54:27.000 I'm a human being.

01:54:28.000 We've got a great show for you tonight.

01:54:30.000 Our feature story is about how humanity is back.

01:54:33.000 Humanity is back.

01:54:35.000 And the real human beings are back.

01:54:37.000 And we've got a lot to talk about, lots to get into.

01:54:41.000 Follow my telegram channel at realhumanbeing.org, realhuman.com.

01:54:48.000 Give me your email, which should be human at human.com.

01:54:53.000 I'm being silly, but it's true.

01:54:56.000 It's true.

01:54:56.000 Some people get it, some people don't.

01:54:59.000 It's the human against the haters.

01:55:01.000 A lot of haters, a lot of bitterness, a lot of resentment.

01:55:08.000 And we've just got to rise up above against that.

01:55:11.000 The human beings have to rise up.

01:55:14.000 You know, against all the hate, against all odds, against all the snipes, and the jabs, and the feds, and the journalists, and the doubters, and the traitors, and the deceivers, the human beings got to rise up!

01:55:26.000 And we got to do what must be done no matter what.

01:55:30.000 With the power of God, with the will of God guiding us, God paving a path, we've got to rise up.

01:55:38.000 With our God-given strength.

01:55:41.000 And we've got to be human again.

01:55:43.000 We've got to be really and truly and extremely human.

01:55:48.000 And we're looking at being human very strongly.

01:55:51.000 It's called being human and we're looking at it very strongly.

01:55:55.000 Nobody's a bigger human being than me.

01:55:59.000 And it's so true and I say it all the time.

01:56:02.000 And it's truly special.

01:56:04.000 It's going to be something truly special.

01:56:07.000 Thank you.

01:56:35.000 Americanism, not globalism, will be our credo.

01:56:41.000 It's going to be only America first. 0.99

01:56:48.000 America first.

01:56:51.000 The American people will come first once again.

01:57:04.000 With respect, the respect that we deserve.

01:57:09.000 From this day forward, it's going to be only America first. 0.99

01:57:21.000 America first.

01:57:28.000 Thank you.

02:00:40.000 Alright, what's up, guys?

02:00:42.000 It's me, Nick Fuentes, back with a commentary stream here on Rumble.

02:00:47.000 It's actually been a minute since I've done one of these.

02:00:50.000 I can't remember the last time I did a non-America First stream.

02:00:56.000 But we're here today on Thursday.

02:00:59.000 I was trying to get this stream started earlier, but I don't know, guys.

02:01:05.000 It just takes me a long time to do stuff.

02:01:07.000 We're here at 5 o'clock.

02:01:08.000 It's pretty late in the evening, but...

02:01:12.000 We're going to watch the Tucker Carlson Ted Cruz interview in its entirety.

02:01:16.000 We're going to watch the whole thing, and I'll be doing a live reaction to it.

02:01:22.000 I talked a little bit about it last night on the show, but not in great detail.

02:01:27.000 We talked about the two viral clips that were going around when Tucker asked him the population of Iran and when they asked about AIPAC.

02:01:36.000 But today we're going to watch the entire thing.

02:01:38.000 I'll give my live reaction, and it's going to be a good time.

02:01:43.000 So check in in the live chat.

02:01:45.000 Say what's up if you're here.

02:01:46.000 Do we have any e-celebs, any prominent groipers? 0.99

02:01:49.000 I'll take a look.

02:01:50.000 We'll see who we have here.

02:01:52.000 I know I have a lot of new viewers lately, so welcome if you're just joining us in the past couple weeks for my coverage of the Iran war.

02:01:59.000 Welcome to the channel.

02:02:00.000 Welcome to the movement.

02:02:03.000 Welcome to the movement, brother.

02:02:05.000 The white power movement in America, neo-Nazi, Ku Klux Klan movement.

02:02:10.000 That's a joke, obviously.

02:02:13.000 Now, this is the America First movement, but what's up?

02:02:16.000 Let's see who we have in the live chat.

02:02:18.000 We got John DeVerva.

02:02:20.000 There he is.

02:02:20.000 Nuka Troopa.

02:02:22.000 That's an old head.

02:02:23.000 Sewer lizard.

02:02:24.000 Elliot Rodger.

02:02:26.000 Elliot Rodger, 91. Elliot Rodger here.

02:02:30.000 Man, remember Elliot Rodger?

02:02:32.000 I feel like a lot of these new gens, these new heads, don't know who Elliot Rodger is.

02:02:39.000 Punished Zoomer, Top Groyper, Groypenstein, Trump Cell, what's up?

02:02:44.000 Porsche Groyper, Kebab Remover. 0.99

02:02:46.000 Kebab Remover, brother.

02:02:48.000 Remove Kebab.

02:02:50.000 Remember Remove Kebab?

02:02:54.000 Removing intensifies.

02:02:57.000 All right.

02:02:58.000 Well, we're going to jump in here.

02:03:00.000 Am I headphones on?

02:03:01.000 Let me test real quick.

02:03:02.000 Okay, they are.

02:03:03.000 Alright, well first, before we hang on, coffee.

02:03:07.000 A little coffee check.

02:03:11.000 It's a little hot still.

02:03:13.000 Made myself a little cup of joe.

02:03:16.000 A little cup of mud.

02:03:17.000 Let me get my Spotify on as well.

02:03:19.000 I'll get my playlist.

02:03:21.000 You know what's funny about boomers is they call all of their streaming library their playlist. 0.91

02:03:27.000 You know what I'm talking about?

02:03:30.000 My mom says, oh, it's on my playlist.

02:03:34.000 It's like, do you mean on your streaming library?

02:03:36.000 It's in your liked songs?

02:03:39.000 She says, that's on my playlist.

02:03:43.000 I gotta log in.

02:03:45.000 Hang on.

02:03:46.000 Let me log into my Spotify.

02:03:49.000 Just jokes.

02:03:50.000 If she's watching this, just jokes.

02:03:52.000 I'm just kidding.

02:03:53.000 I'm kidding.

02:03:55.000 She says, oh, I think that's on my playlist.

02:04:01.000 That's funny.

02:04:02.000 It's endearing.

02:04:04.000 We love boomers.

02:04:08.000 Alright, here we go.

02:04:09.000 But this is my playlist from last year.

02:04:12.000 We're going to put it on.

02:04:13.000 We've got a little background music.

02:04:14.000 Then we'll get started here.

02:04:17.000 I'll make sure these audio levels are good here.

02:04:24.000 I've got to turn it up a little bit.

02:04:27.000 Alright.

02:04:29.000 Alright.

02:04:31.000 We're going to get started, and like I said first, I have to respond to this.

02:04:37.000 Have you guys seen this?

02:04:40.000 So I guess Cookie King from TikTok has been talking trash about me, but he got a little taste of the Groyper curse. 0.96

02:04:50.000 I don't know if you've seen the latest on this, but this was the clip from last night.

02:04:54.000 I played it during the stream.

02:04:55.000 I got called out by Cookie King.

02:04:58.000 And for those that don't know, you know, I used to like Cookie King.

02:05:01.000 I used to be a fan.

02:05:03.000 He used to be my hero, actually.

02:05:05.000 I watch his streams.

02:05:07.000 I've been following Cookie King on TikTok ever since he was doing those POV videos where he's got the controller and he's, like, talking to his friends in voice chat on Discord.

02:05:18.000 I'm a Cookie King old head.

02:05:20.000 I've been a fan.

02:05:22.000 And I was a fan until he attacked me this week.

02:05:28.000 And somebody sent me the clip last night.

02:05:31.000 We can watch it together.

02:05:32.000 This is what he had to say about me.

02:05:38.000 Hang on, can you hear this?

02:05:53.000 Let me turn off the music so you can hear the video.

02:05:56.000 Because the audio is quiet.

02:05:57.000 The thing is, anyone who's really political is located just right.

02:06:02.000 Dude, political things are just right.

02:06:04.000 Right wing, left wing, you're both just right.

02:06:05.000 It's like stressful to be political, right?

02:06:09.000 It's too much stress.

02:06:11.000 Bro, I don't do that.

02:06:15.000 Dude, I don't like cortisol.

02:06:21.000 Don't stress.

02:06:22.000 Just don't stress.

02:06:23.000 They're all jesters.

02:06:24.000 Dean Wither.

02:06:25.000 I think that was kind of cool, but he's a jester.

02:06:26.000 Dean Wither's a jester.

02:06:27.000 Nick Plante's a jester.

02:06:30.000 They're both gestures for being super political.

02:06:32.000 They're both really short like five seven Like you get tiny the thing is really political is Jester.

02:06:43.000 The politics is jester.

02:06:45.000 I'm jester.

02:06:47.000 I'm not 5 '7", by the way.

02:06:49.000 I'm not giga short.

02:06:51.000 I'm not giga small.

02:06:53.000 I'm 5 '9", okay?

02:06:55.000 Politics is jester.

02:07:00.000 With your chopped, your fucking chopped haircut is jester, buddy.

02:07:04.000 Anyway, I already crashed out on him.

02:07:07.000 And this was my response.

02:07:08.000 This was last night.

02:07:11.000 Wow.

02:07:14.000 And what are you, super fucking fat?

02:07:17.000 What are you, super fat?

02:07:19.000 That makes you better?

02:07:20.000 Fuck you.

02:07:21.000 Cookie King?

02:07:22.000 Hey, Cookie King.

02:07:24.000 Fuck you.

02:07:25.000 I hate Cookie King.

02:07:27.000 Cookie King is my fucking op.

02:07:29.000 Next time you see Cookie King, say Nick Fuentes sends his regards.

02:07:34.000 Fat piece of shit.

02:07:35.000 Low PSL.

02:07:36.000 Gets no bitches. 1.00

02:07:38.000 Fuck you.

02:07:39.000 That's true, by the way.

02:07:40.000 Super political?

02:07:41.000 What should we all be?

02:07:42.000 Super fat and ugly and have a fucking chopped haircut and past our prime?

02:07:47.000 That's also true, Cookie.

02:07:49.000 I was a fan.

02:07:51.000 Not anymore.

02:07:53.000 It's over.

02:07:54.000 The Nick Quintus-Cookie King collaboration, it's off.

02:07:57.000 It is off.

02:07:58.000 Okay.

02:07:58.000 It is off.

02:07:59.000 Now, Dylan is another story.

02:08:01.000 Dylan's cool, though.

02:08:03.000 Dylan, I have no problem with, but Cookie King, you just made a very powerful enemy.

02:08:07.000 That's right.

02:08:08.000 That's right.

02:08:10.000 Groyper wore on Cookie King.

02:08:14.000 Fat little piece of shit.

02:08:15.000 How dare you?

02:08:16.000 With your fat, disgusting little body. 0.95

02:08:19.000 How dare you?

02:08:20.000 Yeah.

02:08:20.000 Giga small.

02:08:22.000 We're jesters.

02:08:23.000 Giga fat.

02:08:23.000 How about that?

02:08:24.000 With your chopped haircut, with your chopped fat little body.

02:08:27.000 How dare you?

02:08:28.000 Exactly.

02:08:29.000 Groyper war on Cookie King.

02:08:31.000 Cookie King?

02:08:32.000 More like Cookie Bitch. 1.00

02:08:34.000 Yeah, more like Giga Bitch. 1.00

02:08:36.000 More like Cookie Beta.

02:08:36.000 Yeah.

02:08:37.000 More like Cookie Shot.

02:08:39.000 Yeah, that's right.

02:08:41.000 Anyways, that was my response.

02:08:43.000 That was my response.

02:08:46.000 Hang on, why is this playing now?

02:08:49.000 Now get this.

02:08:51.000 So he replied.

02:08:52.000 Cookie King actually replied.

02:08:54.000 This is LA Cookie.

02:08:55.000 He said Nick Fuentes hurts.

02:09:00.000 Now watch this.

02:09:01.000 Watch what happened next.

02:09:02.000 Get a load of this.

02:09:05.000 Get a load of that.

02:09:06.000 Can we cue up the music?

02:09:07.000 Can we cue up the music?

02:09:08.000 And what about now?

02:09:09.000 Huh?

02:09:10.000 And what about now?

02:09:13.000 Look at this.

02:09:14.000 That was literally, that was this morning.

02:09:16.000 Now what?

02:09:17.000 Hey, now what, Cookie?

02:09:19.000 Hey, what's up?

02:09:20.000 Hey, now what?

02:09:22.000 Huh?

02:09:23.000 Oh, I'm Giga Small?

02:09:25.000 I'm Jester for politics?

02:09:28.000 Brother, you're fucking chopped.

02:09:31.000 PSL 3. That's right.

02:09:34.000 And now who's banned?

02:09:36.000 Now who's fucking banned?

02:09:38.000 Yeah, that's right.

02:09:40.000 You messed with the wrong one.

02:09:42.000 I'm not the one.

02:09:45.000 I am not the one.

02:09:47.000 Now who stands?

02:09:50.000 Who stands on TikTok now?

02:09:52.000 Huh?

02:09:53.000 Huh?

02:09:55.000 That's right.

02:09:56.000 That's right.

02:10:01.000 And now what?

02:10:03.000 Huh?

02:10:04.000 Now what?

02:10:06.000 Now you're done.

02:10:07.000 You're cooked.

02:10:08.000 Cookie got cooked.

02:10:09.000 Hey, wait.

02:10:10.000 Hey, watch this.

02:10:11.000 Hey, wait.

02:10:12.000 Hey, watch this.

02:10:13.000 Cookie got cooked.

02:10:15.000 That's right.

02:10:16.000 I'm not the one.

02:10:17.000 Do not fuck with me.

02:10:19.000 Do not call me jester.

02:10:21.000 How about a jester?

02:10:22.000 How about this, huh?

02:10:24.000 How about cookie got cooked?

02:10:26.000 Cookies cooked now.

02:10:30.000 We're about to chop up some cookies.

02:10:32.000 Cookie got banned.

02:10:33.000 Who's the jester now?

02:10:35.000 How about a little cortisol spike now?

02:10:37.000 You know what spikes are cortisol?

02:10:39.000 Getting banned on TikTok.

02:10:42.000 I'm done with this.

02:10:46.000 Like I don't know nobody Ooh, ooh, like I don't know nobody Like I don't know nobody Like I don't know nobody I'm I guess I don't Yeah

02:11:13.000 So Cookie got banned on TikTok.

02:11:17.000 Cookie got banned on TikTok.

02:11:19.000 Goodbye.

02:11:20.000 Yeah, bye.

02:11:22.000 Goodbye.

02:11:23.000 Goodbye, chop.

02:11:25.000 Fucking chop head. 0.88

02:11:28.000 That's right.

02:11:29.000 Banned.

02:11:30.000 See you later.

02:11:31.000 Goodbye.

02:11:32.000 Yeah.

02:11:32.000 What's up?

02:11:34.000 We're laughing.

02:11:35.000 We laugh.

02:11:36.000 Oh, I mean, oh no.

02:11:38.000 I mean, no.

02:11:41.000 Yeah.

02:11:46.000 No, so Cookie got banned. 0.89

02:11:47.000 Let's see, but we have a little live reaction.

02:11:49.000 He also reacted to the banning earlier today.

02:11:53.000 We'll see what he has to say for himself.

02:11:55.000 Yo, Cookie, what happened in your account, bro?

02:11:58.000 Dude, I don't even, I don't know, man.

02:12:00.000 Oh, yeah.

02:12:01.000 Oh, yeah, I wonder.

02:12:04.000 Look, you put that out in the universe.

02:12:07.000 I don't know, buddy.

02:12:08.000 It's called the Groyper curse. 1.00

02:12:10.000 Maybe that did have something to do with it.

02:12:12.000 A little bad karma.

02:12:13.000 Brutal Nick Fuentes, Bill.

02:12:15.000 You picked the wrong enemy, pal.

02:12:17.000 That's right.

02:12:18.000 That's right.

02:12:21.000 I think Dean Wizards is a jester, but I don't hate him.

02:12:24.000 I think Dean Wizards is a jester.

02:12:27.000 Dean Wizards.

02:12:29.000 Dean Wizards.

02:12:31.000 Bro, no.

02:12:31.000 I feel like we could be cool with him.

02:12:33.000 Like, bro, we just don't like...

02:12:36.000 Never stress.

02:12:42.000 Yeah, it's just too much, bro.

02:12:44.000 I really don't want to think about politics because they hurt.

02:12:47.000 It's not against, like, the actual guy.

02:12:49.000 Yeah, I know.

02:12:50.000 Okay.

02:12:51.000 Oh, okay.

02:12:53.000 Alright, well.

02:12:58.000 Okay, well, hey, if they're apologizing, if they're ready to hop off and stop relentlessly attacking me all the time, if they're ready to stop hunting me down and trying to get me killed, yeah, I guess me and Cookie King can be cool.

02:13:11.000 You know, it's no stress.

02:13:12.000 Hey, man, it's no stress, no cortisol.

02:13:15.000 You know me, we're all out here hard looks maxing.

02:13:18.000 I get it.

02:13:19.000 I get it.

02:13:20.000 Politics hurt.

02:13:21.000 I get it.

02:13:22.000 I'm with that, you know.

02:13:24.000 But don't be calling me Jester.

02:13:26.000 Don't be playing with me like that.

02:13:28.000 Do not be playing with me like that.

02:13:29.000 Calling me Giga Small?

02:13:31.000 How about Giga Chopped?

02:13:32.000 How about Giga your account just got banned?

02:13:34.000 Your livelihood's over.

02:13:36.000 Alright, are we back?

02:13:39.000 Are we back?

02:13:40.000 I think we're back.

02:13:42.000 No, I'm just talking to myself.

02:13:46.000 Yeah, looks like it.

02:13:49.000 There we go.

02:13:50.000 Okay, we're back.

02:13:50.000 And we're back.

02:13:53.000 Ugh.

02:13:54.000 I don't know.

02:13:54.000 When did I cut off?

02:13:55.000 Somebody in the live chat, remind me.

02:13:57.000 Where were we when I cut off?

02:14:02.000 My aura crashed the stream.

02:14:04.000 Too much aura crashed the stream.

02:14:07.000 All right, but we're back.

02:14:11.000 Tell them in the live chat to refresh.

02:14:14.000 People in the chat, Mossad.

02:14:17.000 Yeah, Mossad took it down too much aura.

02:14:19.000 Anyway, what was I saying before?

02:14:20.000 I don't even know when I went down.

02:14:22.000 What was I?

02:14:22.000 Pause.

02:14:23.000 What was I saying before the stream dropped?

02:14:25.000 What was I saying?

02:14:27.000 The smoke alarm chirp?

02:14:30.000 Oh, we didn't even finish the clip?

02:14:32.000 Okay, we'll finish the clip.

02:14:33.000 What happened to your account, bro?

02:14:35.000 Dude, I don't even, I don't know, man, but I don't know if Nick Flentes had something to do with it, bro.

02:14:40.000 Bro, brutal Nick Flentes, Bill.

02:14:43.000 Bro.

02:14:43.000 You picked the wrong enemy, pal.

02:14:45.000 I didn't mean to.

02:14:46.000 I was saying that, like, political content is gesture, bro.

02:14:49.000 That's all I was saying.

02:14:49.000 No, no, dude, no.

02:14:51.000 I think Dean Wizards is gesture.

02:14:55.000 Dean Wizards.

02:14:57.000 Yeah, man.

02:14:58.000 Bro, nah, nah, I feel like we could be cool with him.

02:15:01.000 Like, bro, we just don't, like, politics are stressful, never stress.

02:15:05.000 Bro, stress, cortisol spike, bro.

02:15:07.000 I'm literally drinking Asheville Donder right now.

02:15:08.000 Because I'm getting stressed.

02:15:10.000 Yeah.

02:15:10.000 It's just too much, bro.

02:15:12.000 I really don't want to think about politics because they hurt.

02:15:14.000 They hurt, bro.

02:15:15.000 It's not against, like, the actual guy.

02:15:17.000 Yeah, I know.

02:15:18.000 Oh, okay.

02:15:19.000 Please get me on Ben, bro.

02:15:20.000 All right.

02:15:21.000 Okay, all right, all right.

02:15:22.000 You know what?

02:15:23.000 Look, maybe I was a little too harsh.

02:15:25.000 You know, look, it just hurt me, okay?

02:15:27.000 It hurts.

02:15:28.000 Your crash out hurts.

02:15:31.000 I was a fan.

02:15:32.000 I was trying to be your friend.

02:15:34.000 And you called me a jester.

02:15:36.000 You called me giga small.

02:15:38.000 You called me a cortisol spike.

02:15:41.000 So, yeah, all right.

02:15:43.000 We can be cool, Cookie.

02:15:45.000 We can be cool.

02:15:46.000 All right.

02:15:47.000 I will reverse the Groyper curse. 1.00

02:15:49.000 If you apologize, if you walk it back, the Groyper curse will be lifted. 1.00

02:15:53.000 I can't help it.

02:15:55.000 I'm too powerful.

02:15:56.000 Think about it.

02:15:57.000 He called me a jester and then immediately got banned.

02:16:00.000 It happened just like that.

02:16:03.000 Yesterday, he called me Jester.

02:16:05.000 Today, account banned.

02:16:07.000 I had nothing to do with that.

02:16:08.000 I'm banned on TikTok.

02:16:09.000 I'm banned on TikTok.

02:16:11.000 I'm search banned.

02:16:12.000 If you search my name, you can't even look me up.

02:16:15.000 That's just a Groyper curse. 1.00

02:16:18.000 That's just a Groyper curse when you mess with America First and the Groyper movement. 1.00

02:16:23.000 So, if he wants to be friends, the curse will be lifted, and he will receive a Groyper blessing. 0.91

02:16:30.000 He will receive the Groyper blessing, but he has to walk it back. 0.91

02:16:35.000 You can't call me a jester, bro.

02:16:36.000 We could be cool, but I'm not no jester.

02:16:39.000 And it's not jester to talk about politics.

02:16:42.000 What else are we going to talk about, huh?

02:16:46.000 Looksmaxing?

02:16:47.000 Looksmaxing is more cortisol than politics. 0.89

02:16:49.000 At least politics isn't a black pill.

02:16:51.000 Anyway.

02:16:53.000 So that's Cookie.

02:16:54.000 He's okay.

02:16:54.000 He's alright.

02:16:55.000 You know what?

02:16:56.000 Groyper curse is lifted. 0.94

02:16:57.000 If you see Cookie King, If you see him out in Quahog, you know, just say hi.

02:17:05.000 If you see Cookie King, you don't have to say Nick Fuentes sends his regards.

02:17:08.000 You could say Nick Fuentes sends a blessing.

02:17:10.000 Next time you see Cookie King, say Nick Fuentes sends a blessing.

02:17:14.000 Your way.

02:17:16.000 Okay?

02:17:16.000 So I'm calling it off.

02:17:18.000 I'm calling off the Groyper War on Cookie King.

02:17:20.000 He's put up the white flag.

02:17:22.000 It's an unconditional surrender.

02:17:24.000 Unconditional surrender and a complete victory.

02:17:28.000 So we'll lift the curse.

02:17:29.000 If you see him out in Quahog, say hi.

02:17:32.000 Tell him Nick's went to sense a griper blessing and I think Was there something else I was going to react to? 1.00

02:17:41.000 I forget.

02:17:42.000 If not, we'll just move on.

02:17:43.000 We'll proceed into the Tucker Carlson, Ted Cruz stream.

02:17:48.000 Oh, here's Dinesh D'Souza.

02:17:50.000 Dude.

02:17:52.000 Let's see.

02:17:53.000 Dinesh D'Souza also responded to me.

02:17:55.000 He said, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

02:17:57.000 Yeah.

02:18:00.000 Only he's funniest when he isn't trying to be.

02:18:04.000 This guy said, you're too scared to debate.

02:18:06.000 You'll just seethe in your cuck chair from afar.

02:18:08.000 Hey, we like cucks now, okay?

02:18:10.000 Let's not use that as a pejorative, alright?

02:18:13.000 Cuck? 0.86

02:18:14.000 What, the name of my favorite album?

02:18:18.000 But no, it's true.

02:18:19.000 Dinesh says, I'm perfectly willing to debate.

02:18:21.000 I've debated the best people in the world.

02:18:24.000 You think I'm scared to debate a wisecracking ignoramus?

02:18:29.000 And then I replied, yeah, let's do it.

02:18:31.000 Set it up.

02:18:31.000 He says, I'm fine with this, notwithstanding all the yahoos on here who somehow think I'm trembling in fear.

02:18:37.000 Hilarious!

02:18:38.000 Well, let's do it.

02:18:39.000 We're going to set it up.

02:18:40.000 I will be debating Dinesh D'Souza.

02:18:42.000 I'm going to hit him up right now.

02:18:44.000 If his DMs are open.

02:18:46.000 Let me get on my main, and I will...

02:18:50.000 If his DMs are open, I'll do it.

02:19:00.000 He DM'd me in 2024.

02:19:03.000 Hey, let's set up this debate.

02:19:05.000 Thank you.

02:19:11.000 Let's set up this debate, buddy.

02:19:13.000 All right, so I DM'd him.

02:19:15.000 The gauntlet has been thrown down.

02:19:16.000 The challenge is out.

02:19:18.000 Why is everyone attacking me?

02:19:21.000 Cookie King, Dinesh D'Souza, Steven Crowder.

02:19:25.000 Heavy lies the crown.

02:19:27.000 It's lonely at the top.

02:19:28.000 When you become number one, when you become the total alpha of the space, this is what happens.

02:19:33.000 Everybody wants a piece.

02:19:36.000 Piece after delicious piece.

02:19:38.000 Everybody wants a taste.

02:19:40.000 Pause.

02:19:40.000 Everybody wants a slice.

02:19:42.000 Alright, so that's Dinesh.

02:19:43.000 That's Cookie King.

02:19:44.000 You know what?

02:19:45.000 What do you guys think?

02:19:46.000 Do you think we should let up on Cookie?

02:19:47.000 Do you think I should get him unbanned on TikTok?

02:19:49.000 Should I lift the curse?

02:19:50.000 Press one if we should accept his unconditional surrender.

02:19:55.000 Press two if you think we should keep pushing.

02:19:56.000 One for accept his unconditional surrender.

02:20:00.000 Should we be cool with bro?

02:20:01.000 Should we be cool with bro and collab?

02:20:05.000 Or what do you think?

02:20:06.000 Or do you think we should keep pushing and utterly destroy Cookie King and the cookie-verse?

02:20:10.000 you I'm leaning towards we should just let it go.

02:20:16.000 You know?

02:20:17.000 Let's try love.

02:20:18.000 Let's try forgiveness.

02:20:22.000 Yeah, I'm thinking we'll let it go.

02:20:24.000 We like Cookie.

02:20:25.000 We want him to be back on Twitter.

02:20:29.000 You know?

02:20:30.000 And I take it back.

02:20:31.000 His haircut is chopped, but calling him a fat piece of shit, maybe that was out of pocket.

02:20:36.000 He did call me a jester, though.

02:20:38.000 That was like Joker.

02:20:39.000 That was my Joker moment, me watching that.

02:20:44.000 I said it on my show last night.

02:20:46.000 It's like, that's what you called me, a jester.

02:20:50.000 You remember?

02:20:52.000 That's how it feels.

02:20:54.000 You know, you should be careful what you say.

02:20:56.000 You never know who you're messing with.

02:20:57.000 You should be careful.

02:20:59.000 Next thing you know, you might incur a grope or curse.

02:21:01.000 All right, but we're going to take a look at this Tucker, Ted Cruz interview.

02:21:05.000 This is the big, this is what you guys all came for.

02:21:08.000 This is what you've all been waiting for.

02:21:11.000 Yesterday, of course, Tucker Carlson released his interview with Ted Cruz.

02:21:15.000 And it wasn't even really an interview.

02:21:17.000 It was basically an ambush.

02:21:18.000 And I say that as somebody that doesn't really like Ted Cruz, and I don't agree with him.

02:21:23.000 I actually agree more with Tucker on this one.

02:21:26.000 Not 100%, but more.

02:21:28.000 And even though I agree with what was said, and I think it was a phenomenal interview and really a game changer in the battle of ideas, at the same time, let's recognize this was a setup.

02:21:38.000 It was a total and complete setup.

02:21:40.000 Not really so much an interview.

02:21:42.000 So we're going to watch it.

02:21:43.000 We're going to watch it from the start.

02:21:45.000 I'll admit I watched some of it.

02:21:46.000 I haven't watched the entire thing.

02:21:49.000 I watched about half of it, I think, yesterday, but I wasn't giving it my full attention.

02:21:53.000 So we're going to be watching it with some fresh eyes a little bit here, and I'll give you my live response, and we'll break it down piece by piece.

02:22:03.000 So here we go.

02:22:04.000 This is Ted Cruz versus Tucker Carlson.

02:22:07.000 Let me know how the audio is.

02:22:09.000 I'll adjust it as we go along at the start so the audio levels are good.

02:22:13.000 But here we go.

02:22:14.000 And then, by the way, just so you know, I'll be doing a show later tonight.

02:22:18.000 So I will be going live with the show probably around 9 or 10 o 'clock Central Time.

02:22:25.000 So I'm still planning on doing a show, but I'm going to be doing this reaction stream also.

02:22:30.000 Okay, here we go.

02:22:31.000 Senator, thank you very much for spending the time to have this conversation.

02:22:34.000 It's good to be with you.

02:22:35.000 So you've come out for regime change in Iran as distinct just from taking out the nuclear sites.

02:22:40.000 What does regime change look like in Iran?

02:22:42.000 Somebody else in charge.

02:22:44.000 How do you get there?

02:22:46.000 Look, that ultimately has to be a popular uprising for the people.

02:22:49.000 And it's not a complicated question.

02:22:52.000 Is America better off with a country that has a leader who hates us and wants to kill us, or to have a country with a leader who likes us and wants to be friends with us?

02:23:03.000 Well, definitely the latter is better.

02:23:04.000 Of course.

02:23:05.000 And so that's not a complicated statement.

02:23:09.000 Look, I believe you look across the world when you have countries that have dictators that are viciously anti-America.

02:23:15.000 Venezuela, Maduro hates us.

02:23:16.000 Would we be better off with Maduro out of power?

02:23:19.000 Absolutely.

02:23:20.000 I want our enemies out of power and I want our friends in power.

02:23:24.000 I could not agree more.

02:23:26.000 The question is how do you get there?

02:23:27.000 Of course.

02:23:27.000 We've been trying to kill Maduro.

02:23:29.000 For quite some time.

02:23:30.000 We have troops there.

02:23:31.000 I don't know that we've been trying to kill Maduro.

02:23:33.000 We have.

02:23:33.000 And I think you know that.

02:23:35.000 I don't know that.

02:23:38.000 We're one minute in.

02:23:40.000 See, this is what I'm talking about.

02:23:42.000 And, you know, let's just be honest, okay?

02:23:46.000 And let's also be nuanced, okay?

02:23:49.000 Let's be sophisticated.

02:23:50.000 Let's not be low IQ here.

02:23:53.000 We can agree with what Tucker is saying.

02:23:55.000 We can agree with what Tucker is doing.

02:23:57.000 While also recognizing that this is not journalism.

02:24:01.000 This is propaganda.

02:24:03.000 Tucker is a propagandist.

02:24:05.000 Okay?

02:24:06.000 And you know that because when he has a guest on that he agrees with, it is endlessly deferential, tripping over himself to be obsequious and deferential and to agree with the guest.

02:24:21.000 Even if the guest is stupid, even if the guest is saying something that doesn't make sense or about aliens or aliens or demons, no matter how ridiculous they could be talking about deep underground military bases, aliens, all this kind of stuff, Tucker will be endlessly agreeable.

02:24:40.000 But here we are a minute in.

02:24:42.000 Yeah, we have tried to kill Maduro, and I think you know that.

02:24:45.000 Basically calling him a liar.

02:24:47.000 To kill Maduro.

02:24:49.000 I don't know that we've been trying to kill Maduro.

02:24:51.000 We have.

02:24:52.000 We have.

02:24:55.000 And the reason I point this out is just to show that from the jump, this is a hostile, completely hostile demeanor.

02:25:02.000 Right off the rip, this is a totally hostile interview.

02:25:06.000 That's why I say it's an ambush.

02:25:08.000 People say that's journalism.

02:25:09.000 That's not journalism.

02:25:10.000 That's just a completely hostile disposition.

02:25:13.000 I don't know that.

02:25:14.000 Okay.

02:25:14.000 Well, we, as a statement, we have.

02:25:16.000 So we do have massive sanctions.

02:25:18.000 We try to pressure them out of office.

02:25:27.000 You know, I'm a big believer that Tucker is most likely a CIA agent or CIA asset.

02:25:34.000 So Tucker says, well, we do know that presumably American intelligence is trying to kill Maduro.

02:25:40.000 And Ted Cruz says, well, I'm not so sure.

02:25:42.000 And I, like Ted Cruz, as someone who is not involved in U.S. intelligence, yeah, I'm not actually aware of any U.S. effort to kill Maduro.

02:25:52.000 I mean, we can speculate, and it's a safe assumption that we probably are.

02:25:57.000 It's a safe inference.

02:25:58.000 Trump, in his first term, pursued a maximum pressure campaign against Maduro and tried to overthrow Maduro, put in place crushing sanctions and secondary sanctions on oil.

02:26:08.000 They tried to prop up this Juan Guaido character who was supposed to win the election.

02:26:14.000 And so it's safe to assume that probably that was accompanied by some backdoor regime change assassination plot.

02:26:21.000 That's not public, as far as I'm aware.

02:26:24.000 That wasn't reported in the press.

02:26:26.000 So, Tucker so confidently, yeah, we are, and I think you know that.

02:26:30.000 It's like, okay, so how do you know that?

02:26:32.000 Maybe it has to do with how Tucker meets with Javier Millet in Argentina, who's another big target of the CIA.

02:26:40.000 Maybe it has to do with the fact that for the past year, Tucker was traveling Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, trying to avert a war with Iran, meeting with their heads of state.

02:26:50.000 Maybe it has to do with all his other foreign trips, visiting all these other foreign leaders like Viktor Orban in Hungary and the Vox Party in Spain and many others, the president in El Salvador.

02:27:03.000 So I find that to be, you know, that's yet again another tell.

02:27:07.000 That government, and it's still there.

02:27:09.000 Yeah.

02:27:10.000 Same, the country of your ancestors, Cuba.

02:27:13.000 And by the way, one other thing.

02:27:15.000 For those that don't know, the CIA is all over South America.

02:27:20.000 Always has been, always will be.

02:27:22.000 And the big picture in South America, I know this is a bit of a digression, but it is relevant.

02:27:29.000 The CIA and the DOD, the Defense Department, are all over South America because in the past 10 years, China has become the number one trading partner of virtually every country in South America and increasingly in Central America too.

02:27:46.000 That wasn't the case in 2010.

02:27:48.000 But here we are in the early 2020s, mid-2020s, and China has now replaced the United States as the number one trading partner of almost every country in Latin America.

02:27:59.000 That's a big reason why Obama tried to pass the TTP and the TTIP and that constellation of free trade agreements, multilateral free trade agreements.

02:28:11.000 It concerned not only the Pacific countries out in Asia, but also the countries aboard the Pacific Ocean in Latin America.

02:28:18.000 And that was in anticipation of this trend.

02:28:21.000 So the new doctrine from Southcom, from the CIA is we're trying to overthrow all these left-wing governments that are friendly with China and replace them with right-wing governments that are friendly with the United States, like in El Salvador, like in Peru, like in Argentina.

02:28:37.000 And so, for example… And that interview was promoted all over Twitter.

02:28:52.000 It got, I think, like a billion views or 500 million views.

02:28:56.000 It got crazy engagement.

02:28:57.000 And that helped get Javier Malay into office in Argentina.

02:29:02.000 After that, Javier Malay was visited by the director of the CIA, William Burns.

02:29:09.000 By the Southcom commander at the time, Laura Richardson, and by the Secretary of State, Antony Blinken, all in the span of a few months.

02:29:16.000 And then in that time, Argentina pledged all of their lithium reserves to the United States.

02:29:22.000 They joined up with our strategic partnership with Critical Minerals.

02:29:26.000 They allowed the U.S. military to take control of the Parana River, which is one of the most important waterways in South America.

02:29:34.000 And so I just think it's interesting.

02:29:35.000 It's sort of like Tucker Carlson is sort of like Mothman.

02:29:38.000 You know how people spot Mothman before a bridge collapses or there's some kind of mass casualty incident?

02:29:45.000 It's like everywhere that the CIA director goes, Tucker Carlson is never far behind.

02:29:51.000 Everywhere the CIA director goes, everywhere the Secretary of State goes, Tucker Carlson is not far behind conducting diplomacy on behalf of the United States or some other country.

02:30:02.000 So I just think that's interesting that he threw that in there.

02:30:05.000 He sort of, you know, what does he know about Venezuela?

02:30:07.000 Why don't you tell us more about that?

02:30:09.000 You know, 1959, we've been working on that.

02:30:11.000 So we both agree it's hard to do it.

02:30:15.000 It absolutely is hard.

02:30:16.000 And look, I think you're reasonable to ask, how do we produce that?

02:30:20.000 I think there's a distinction between what your objective is and the means to get it.

02:30:25.000 There are all sorts of things I would say we would be better off.

02:30:27.000 We'd be better off in China without Xi there.

02:30:30.000 Should we invade China and topple Xi?

02:30:31.000 Of course not.

02:30:32.000 Better off with no national debt.

02:30:34.000 There are lots of things.

02:30:35.000 Totally.

02:30:36.000 But it's good to say, all right, what are our objectives?

02:30:38.000 And so with the Ayatollah in Iran saying you're for regime change, I don't view it as complicated.

02:30:43.000 I mean, the guy literally leads mobs chanting death to America.

02:30:48.000 So that's not good.

02:30:49.000 I love when people say that as if that matters.

02:30:53.000 As if the world of grand strategy is governed by whether a country's population doesn't like us.

02:31:00.000 Have you ever heard actually a good reason that Iran threatens the United States other than that they, like, hate America? 1.00

02:31:07.000 They say death to America, so we're going to invade them?

02:31:11.000 Like, why does that matter?

02:31:12.000 They're on the other side of the planet.

02:31:14.000 I just always find that ridiculous, even if you're a normie.

02:31:17.000 Forget about, you don't need to be an expert, you don't even need to really know all the facts, but whenever you hear this argument, we need to overthrow the Iranian government, it's always like, but they hate America.

02:31:27.000 Okay, so what?

02:31:28.000 What's the proof?

02:31:29.000 Well, they say death to America.

02:31:32.000 Okay, so?

02:31:33.000 Like, that just doesn't even matter.

02:31:36.000 Definitely not good.

02:31:38.000 But the reason I think it's important to get a little more detailed about how that might happen is because there's military action in progress which we're supporting.

02:31:47.000 And the president has said, clearly, including last night, that he is focused on eliminating the capacity of the Iranian government to produce nuclear weapons.

02:31:54.000 You are saying we need to use military force to effect regime change.

02:31:58.000 I have not said that.

02:32:00.000 Oh, I must have missed that.

02:32:01.000 No, no, I have not said that once.

02:32:03.000 I don't think we need to use military force to do regime change.

02:32:06.000 I said I support it.

02:32:07.000 I would like to see it happen.

02:32:08.000 You asked me how should it happen.

02:32:10.000 a popular uprising.

02:32:11.000 So what I've advocated for You and I, we've known each other a long time.

02:32:19.000 I would say we agree on about 80% of the things on Earth.

02:32:23.000 For sure.

02:32:24.000 And there are a lot of things, and we can get into the nitty-gritty of foreign policy as much as you want.

02:32:31.000 There are a lot of things on which you and I agree, not just a little bit, but violently.

02:32:36.000 I totally agree.

02:32:37.000 I was rooting for you in your last campaign, for sure.

02:32:39.000 Well, thank you.

02:32:40.000 Look, you have been heroic on And in Texas, I see it and live it every day.

02:32:55.000 In COVID, in fact, you may recall, in the middle of the COVID lockdown, I was out walking my dog when the whole world was shut down and we were living in lunatic times.

02:33:06.000 And I called you and said, Tucker, Like, I watch them like an injection of crack.

02:33:14.000 Okay, I'm mixing my metaphor because you don't inject crack.

02:33:16.000 But you get what I'm saying.

02:33:18.000 You could try.

02:33:18.000 No, I mean, it was, you were standing up and speaking like, what the hell are we doing in a way that we desperately, desperately needed?

02:33:27.000 And so whether it's securing the border, whether it's the insanity of COVID lockdowns and the vaccine mandates, whether it is the Second Amendment or the First Amendment.

02:33:36.000 You and I agree on a ton of stuff.

02:33:39.000 The 20% where we disagree, I do think is meaningful.

02:33:42.000 And it's mostly in the foreign policy space.

02:33:46.000 And what I would say, if you'll allow me to get a little theoretical, and then I'm happy to get specific.

02:33:56.000 For a long time, people have perceived two different poles of Republican foreign policy.

02:34:03.000 There have been interventionists.

02:34:05.000 And those have been people like John McCain and Lindsey Graham, George W. Bush.

02:34:10.000 And there have been isolationists.

02:34:12.000 And the most prominent of those have been Ron Paul and Rand Paul, and there are others.

02:34:16.000 And people perceive those are the two choices.

02:34:18.000 You've got to be one or the other.

02:34:20.000 I've always thought both were wrong.

02:34:22.000 I don't agree with either one.

02:34:23.000 The way I view my own foreign policy I agree with you.

02:34:29.000 Okay, good.

02:34:30.000 I don't know who set up that binary, but there are lots of choices, actually.

02:34:34.000 People sort of naturally fall into, I think they want to classify people, and they're like, okay, you're one or the other, and you've got to be all or nothing.

02:34:41.000 And the interventionists, it seems, have never seen a country they didn't want to invade, and that doesn't make any sense to me.

02:34:47.000 And the isolationists, I think, don't take the threats to America seriously, and I think that's naive, and it doesn't work.

02:34:55.000 And so my view, I consider myself a third point on the triangle.

02:34:59.000 And what I describe that as is that I am a non-interventionist hawk, which sounds a little weird, but what do I mean by that?

02:35:09.000 I mean the central touchpoint for U.S. foreign policy and for any question of military intervention.

02:35:16.000 Don't you understand this is all just rhetoric?

02:35:19.000 That's a completely false dichotomy.

02:35:21.000 There are no true isolationists.

02:35:23.000 Rand Paul, Ron Paul, they're not isolationists.

02:35:27.000 And the reason why there's no isolationists is because America is interconnected with basically every country in the world.

02:35:35.000 There is no such thing.

02:35:36.000 Just because we don't want to overthrow like five countries doesn't mean we're isolated.

02:35:41.000 We do trade with every country in the world.

02:35:44.000 We're many countries' largest trading partner among their top three largest trading partners.

02:35:49.000 We have bases all around the world.

02:35:53.000 Troops deployed in many countries around the world.

02:35:56.000 We protect the international waterways.

02:35:58.000 We uphold all the supranational institutions.

02:36:01.000 So the idea that we're isolated is just, that's a farce.

02:36:06.000 But this is what they do.

02:36:07.000 They create this false binary, like Tucker said, so that they can position themselves as the reasonable middle.

02:36:13.000 And say, well, you know, some people want to invade every country and some people don't want to have any contact with any country.

02:36:20.000 I'm sort of in the middle of nothing and everything.

02:36:23.000 It's like, okay, well, everybody is in the middle.

02:36:25.000 Everybody is in some sense in the middle.

02:36:28.000 I don't think anybody's advocating for complete diplomatic and foreign isolation.

02:36:33.000 I don't think anybody's realistically advocating, except for some, for total engagement kinetically with all of our enemies.

02:36:42.000 And then, and this is something that you see a lot of Republicans do, pay attention to how they're always massaging.

02:36:50.000 Republicans understand that the base has no appetite for any foreign entanglements.

02:36:55.000 The Republican base, and I think the American public at large, does not want to be in a proxy war with Russia, does not want to be fighting Israel's war in the Middle East.

02:37:04.000 We don't want to fight a war with China.

02:37:05.000 We don't want to fight even wars against Venezuela or some of the, uh, So politicians understand that they have to placate that new constituency, which is fatigued by decades of war in the Middle East.

02:37:22.000 And now because the economy is struggling because of other domestic issues have no appetite for any kind of great power competition with Russia or China that involves a proxy war, anything like that.

02:37:33.000 At the same time.

02:37:39.000 So this is where they come up with these, like, they create false distinctions.

02:37:44.000 They create false categories.

02:37:46.000 So they say things like, well, I'm a non-interventionist hawk.

02:37:50.000 They have to massage definitions. 0.99

02:37:52.000 And you see this even a lot on the so-called dissident right.

02:37:57.000 When Trump bombed Syria in 2017 and 2018, when he killed Qasem Soleimani in 2020, They will say things like, well, that's not neoconservatism technically because it's not nation building.

02:38:14.000 These are arbitrary distinctions.

02:38:18.000 They'll say things like, well, that doesn't meet the definition of neoconservatism, that thing you don't like.

02:38:24.000 That isn't nation building, which is a type of program, you know, as part of our foreign policy that we can pursue.

02:38:33.000 It's this other category.

02:38:34.000 It's a noncommittal, limited intervention for a very specific purpose.

02:38:41.000 And it's like, so what?

02:38:44.000 Why are we fighting Yemen?

02:38:46.000 Why are we at war in Yemen?

02:38:47.000 Why are we at war in Somalia?

02:38:49.000 Do you even know that we are?

02:38:51.000 We bombed Somalia two days ago. 1.00

02:38:54.000 And you'll have people on the dissident right.

02:38:56.000 On Twitter and Republican politicians will say, oh, well, being at war in Somalia forever, well, you know, that's not neoconservatism.

02:39:05.000 That's not interventionism.

02:39:06.000 That's not nation building.

02:39:08.000 That's just a little bombing.

02:39:10.000 And it's like, why does America need to be at war in Somalia forever?

02:39:13.000 Why do we need to be at war in Yemen forever and West Africa forever?

02:39:19.000 And this is what Ted Cruz is doing.

02:39:20.000 I'm a non-interventionist hawk.

02:39:23.000 It's like, how about just America first?

02:39:25.000 Articulate a clear, specific, discernible American objective that benefits Americans directly or the American empire and say that.

02:39:36.000 But don't say, you know, I'm just tired of the ideology.

02:39:40.000 Well, I, you know, I'm a realist.

02:39:41.000 I think that America should do some military actions, but Yeah.

02:39:49.000 I'm a non-interventionist hawk.

02:39:50.000 Well, this is not neoconservatism.

02:39:52.000 Overthrowing the government in Iran is not neoconservatism.

02:39:55.000 Okay.

02:39:57.000 But this is what they do.

02:39:59.000 Should be the vital national security interest of the United States.

02:40:02.000 How does this make America safer?

02:40:04.000 How does this protect Americans?

02:40:06.000 If it does, we should be strong.

02:40:08.000 And actually, another way of conceiving what I'm saying, I'm speaking theoretically.

02:40:13.000 But Reagan referred to it as peace through strength.

02:40:16.000 And actually, I think Donald Trump's foreign policy is very much what I'm describing, a non-interventionist hawk, where he understands, and I think this is historically true, the best way to avoid war is being strong.

02:40:33.000 That weakness and isolationism, I think, encourages war.

02:40:37.000 So going back to...

02:40:43.000 That isn't true, by the way.

02:40:45.000 I don't think I disagree with anything you've said, so we may not be that far apart, really, because you said that the single criterion for making decisions about America's foreign policy is America's national interest.

02:40:57.000 Yes.

02:40:57.000 That's it.

02:40:58.000 Yeah, which is also America first.

02:41:00.000 That's another way of putting that as well.

02:41:01.000 I think it's the definition of it.

02:41:02.000 It's hardly breaking news.

02:41:03.000 The U.S. dollar has been gravely devalued by Washington money printing.

02:41:08.000 Six minutes in?

02:41:09.000 You print money out of thin air and the currency becomes weaker.

02:41:13.000 You can purchase less with the same amount.

02:41:16.000 The entire system is backed by nothing.

02:41:18.000 The question is, are we watching that now?

02:41:23.000 So I think we are.

02:41:24.000 And from what you've said publicly, I think on Iran in particular, you and I disagree.

02:41:32.000 All right, let me contrast it when Obama was president.

02:41:36.000 When Obama was president, you remember he talked about wanting to have military action against Syria.

02:41:42.000 And at the time I tried to keep an open mind to it.

02:41:45.000 I said, okay, let me listen to the commander-in-chief, describe to me how this is in America's interest, and what your plan is.

02:41:51.000 And Bashar Assad was a bad guy.

02:41:55.000 He was killing his own citizens, and he had chemical weapons that were very dangerous.

02:42:00.000 I could conceive of a commander-in-chief laying out a plan for, okay, we're going to go in and say, grab the chemical weapons and leave.

02:42:08.000 I could see that if there was a real threat to America and there was a plan to prevent that, I could see supporting that. 1.00

02:42:15.000 So I wanted to hear what he had to say.

02:42:17.000 And I listened both in classified briefings and public questioning.

02:42:21.000 And number one, their public defense of it was incoherent.

02:42:26.000 John Kerry said, we're going to engage in an unbelievably small strike.

02:42:31.000 I think that's a quote.

02:42:32.000 I'm like, okay, and to do what?

02:42:34.000 At the time, there were nine major rebel Islamic groups in Syria.

02:42:39.000 I'm like, okay, I agree, Bashar Assad's a bad guy. 0.98

02:42:41.000 You topple him.

02:42:43.000 And one of the nine other groups takes over.

02:42:45.000 Seven of them were affiliated with radical Islamic terrorism.

02:42:48.000 You had al-Qaeda and al-Nusra.

02:42:49.000 I'm like, wait, how is it better?

02:42:52.000 To have lunatics who hate us in charge, Assad's a bad guy, but I don't want worse guys in charge.

02:42:58.000 Obama administration couldn't give an answer to that.

02:43:01.000 And ultimately, when you press them, John Kerry in particular I pressed, and he would say, well, we need to defend international norms.

02:43:10.000 What the hell's an international norm?

02:43:11.000 I don't know what it is, but I'm not interested in putting U.S. servicemen and women in harm's way to defend one.

02:43:17.000 Amen.

02:43:17.000 So I opposed the Syria attack and opposed it vocally.

02:43:21.000 And it was interesting.

02:43:22.000 Rand and I agreed.

02:43:23.000 Rand's a friend of mine.

02:43:24.000 But we agreed with that position for different reasons.

02:43:28.000 What I was asking is, I think the question we should ask, how does this make America safer?

02:43:35.000 The Obama administration couldn't give me an answer, so I opposed it.

02:43:38.000 I think Iran is very different.

02:43:40.000 Let me ask what you think of how Syria wound up, because Bashar al-Assad now lives in Moscow.

02:43:45.000 Yeah.

02:43:45.000 He was taken out by our allies.

02:43:48.000 And he's been replaced by a radical Islamist who was affiliated with ISIS.

02:43:52.000 So is that a win or no?

02:43:54.000 clear.

02:43:55.000 Look, Syria's a mess, so I've consistently opposed Now we have a religious extremist, Islamic religious extremist, who's overseen the purge of Christians and Alawites. 0.97

02:44:09.000 Is that better?

02:44:09.000 That doesn't seem like a win.

02:44:10.000 Well, look, one of the things you said is you said he was taken out by our allies.

02:44:13.000 I don't think that's right.

02:44:15.000 Israel didn't take Assad out.

02:44:17.000 What happened, and I'll tell you.

02:44:18.000 What about Turkey?

02:44:19.000 Turkey didn't take him out.

02:44:21.000 So it was interesting.

02:44:21.000 I had a long time.

02:44:22.000 How did Assad get kicked out?

02:44:23.000 Yeah.

02:44:27.000 When Netanyahu was in D.C. a couple of months ago, he and I sat down.

02:44:32.000 By the way, Israel 100% is responsible for Assad going. 0.89

02:44:36.000 And I don't know why nobody talks about that, but Assad was overthrown in a matter of one or two weeks in December of last year.

02:44:44.000 And that was followed up by years of Israel bombing Damascus and regime forces in Syria, which only escalated throughout 2024 after the war in Gaza, after October 7th and the war in Gaza began.

02:44:59.000 So that, I mean, that's absolutely the case, that Israel had a hand in that. 0.97

02:45:02.000 And so did Turkey, because the group that took over Syria was up there in the north of Syria with Turkey and probably a...

02:45:14.000 So, of course, that's true.

02:45:15.000 He's a good friend of mine.

02:45:17.000 And we talked, actually, about Syria.

02:45:19.000 He made an interesting point that I've not heard anywhere else, in that he said he believes what toppled Assad was when Israel took out Nasrallah.

02:45:30.000 Nasrallah was the head of Hezbollah, and they took him out.

02:45:33.000 And he made an interesting point.

02:45:35.000 He said it's fascinating how a charismatic leader, and Bibi said, look, Nasrallah was a very effective terrorist leader.

02:45:42.000 And when they took him out, that power base was supporting Assad.

02:45:47.000 And that ultimately, in Bibi's analysis, removed the support from Assad and toppled him.

02:45:53.000 But they weren't trying to take out Assad.

02:45:56.000 My view now, I don't know.

02:45:58.000 So you don't think that, and I don't, it is very confusing, and I don't know that anyone really knows all the details, but you don't think that Israel or Turkey or NATO ally Turkey played any role in toppling Assad?

02:46:09.000 I don't know.

02:46:10.000 I don't know that they did.

02:46:11.000 Look, my understanding of that, they clearly took out Nasrallah and Hezbollah.

02:46:16.000 They've decimated Hezbollah, but Hezbollah is waging war on them.

02:46:18.000 So decimating Hezbollah was very good for Israel and very good for America, too. 0.99

02:46:23.000 I mean, Hezbollah hated us.

02:46:26.000 Once again, it's like, who cares?

02:46:28.000 Who cares?

02:46:30.000 They say, well, Hezbollah hated us.

02:46:32.000 I'm sorry, when is the last time Hezbollah attacked the United States? 0.73

02:46:35.000 I'm aware that they were involved in the embassy bombing in the 1980s.

02:46:39.000 You know, 50 years ago, 45 years ago.

02:46:42.000 But that's because we were there.

02:46:44.000 We were there and we were facilitating Israel's war in Lebanon. 0.58

02:46:49.000 When has Hezbollah ever posed a threat? 0.99

02:46:51.000 Unless we're in their backyard, when have they ever posed a threat to the United States mainland?

02:46:55.000 They don't have international objectives.

02:46:57.000 This is what I'm talking about.

02:46:59.000 Iran chants death to America. 0.99

02:47:01.000 Hezbollah hates America. 0.57

02:47:02.000 They're all the way over there.

02:47:04.000 They got nothing to do with us.

02:47:06.000 And the reason that matters, obviously, is that there are Muslim groups that kill Americans or have killed Americans, terrorist groups and terrorist cells in some certain countries, and almost all of them are so-called allies. 0.95

02:47:21.000 ISIS and Al-Qaeda, those are the groups that are supporting lone wolf terrorism or have in the past, and they're backed by Saudi Arabia and Israel.

02:47:34.000 You know, I hear that all the time.

02:47:35.000 They say, because of course Hezbollah and Iran and Iran's proxies, these are all Shiite groups.

02:47:41.000 These are Shiite groups with regional ambitions or even sometimes national ambitions like local ambitions.

02:47:48.000 The Houthi rebels, Hezbollah, Kataib Hezbollah in Iraq, even the Revolutionary Guard.

02:47:55.000 They have regional ambitions at best, local ambitions in most cases.

02:48:00.000 It is the Sunni Islamist groups.

02:48:03.000 That come from Saudi clerics, Wahhabist Saudi clerics. 0.88

02:48:08.000 They're the ones, to the extent that this is real, that are carrying out terror attacks, mass casualty attacks in Europe and the United States.

02:48:16.000 And Israel is involved with those groups as well.

02:48:18.000 Israel, the CIA in Saudi Arabia, to some extent Turkey.

02:48:23.000 So you hear that all the time.

02:48:24.000 It's like, well, you know, they hate America.

02:48:27.000 It's like, dude.

02:48:28.000 The radical Muslims that kill Americans come from our allies. 1.00

02:48:32.000 Should we overthrow Saudi Arabia and Israel? 0.98

02:48:34.000 It just doesn't matter.

02:48:36.000 I mean, if or when Hezbollah launches missiles at the U.S. mainland, then you have an argument.

02:48:42.000 If and when Hezbollah, a non-state actor, gets an intercontinental ballistic missile and starts launching them at New York, then I'll take it seriously. 1.00

02:48:51.000 But until then, it's just totally ridiculous.

02:48:54.000 See, once you start to compare...

02:49:01.000 I would put Assad in the category of an unintended consequence, and whether it's good or bad, I don't know. 0.94

02:49:09.000 I think time will tell.

02:49:11.000 For the United States.

02:49:12.000 Yeah, for the United States.

02:49:13.000 I think time will tell the new leadership there.

02:49:15.000 You're right to be concerned.

02:49:19.000 Let me step back and let's talk.

02:49:22.000 Regime change generally.

02:49:23.000 I mentioned Syria.

02:49:25.000 I also opposed the Iraq War.

02:49:27.000 I think the Iraq War was a serious mistake. 0.98

02:49:29.000 And we have a pattern, and going back to this binary of the interventionists and the isolationists, the interventionists advocate over and over again.

02:49:39.000 There's a bad guy.

02:49:40.000 There's a dictator who's doing bad things to his people, and they say, let's go topple them.

02:49:44.000 And you have dictators in the Middle East who are killing radical Islamic terrorists.

02:49:48.000 We come in and topple them.

02:49:50.000 The radical Islamic terrorists take over and they start killing Americans. 0.99

02:49:53.000 And my view, how the heck does that help us?

02:49:56.000 Like, Saddam Hussein was a horrible human being.

02:49:59.000 He murdered and tortured people.

02:50:02.000 Unequivocally bad guy.

02:50:03.000 But it got much worse after we toppled him.

02:50:06.000 And you ended up having ISIS rise up. 0.95

02:50:09.000 I mean, that was the cause of ISIS, was toppling Saddam Hussein. 0.72

02:50:12.000 Same thing in Libya.

02:50:14.000 You had Qaddafi, another horrible guy, that under Obama, we toppled him.

02:50:19.000 And you ended up having radical Islamic warlords taking over.

02:50:24.000 And it's the question I asked in Syria.

02:50:26.000 Okay, well, what's the plan?

02:50:28.000 And how is this good or bad for the United States?

02:50:32.000 And so I don't think, But up to that point, you say we disagree.

02:50:39.000 I don't hear really anything.

02:50:41.000 I'm not quite sure what happened in Syria, but I don't know, so, right?

02:50:44.000 But other than that, I don't hear anything I disagree with at all.

02:50:47.000 Yeah.

02:50:47.000 Sounds like we're in a complete agreement.

02:50:48.000 I wonder, though, is there a successful recovery?

02:50:52.000 I hate this, like, he's totally insincere.

02:50:56.000 I'm talking about Tucker, the way he talks.

02:50:58.000 At all?

02:50:58.000 Yeah.

02:50:59.000 Sounds like we're in a complete agreement.

02:51:00.000 Sounds like we're in complete agreement.

02:51:02.000 I just hate this, like, this, he plays dumb.

02:51:06.000 This just asking questions, playing dumb.

02:51:09.000 This face that he makes, like he doesn't know what's being said.

02:51:12.000 I really, it bothers me.

02:51:14.000 Because that's, it's almost dishonest to the audience.

02:51:16.000 And that's why I don't trust him.

02:51:19.000 And because he's a CIA guy.

02:51:21.000 Is there a successful regime change that the United States supported that you're aware of in the last hundred years?

02:51:28.000 Sure.

02:51:29.000 Defeating the Soviet Union and the Soviet Union collapsing, winning the Cold War.

02:51:34.000 That was the most consequential step for U.S. national security interests of our lifetimes.

02:51:42.000 So you would classify that as a regime change that we affected?

02:51:46.000 Absolutely.

02:51:49.000 Look, you and I are in my office.

02:51:51.000 We're sitting next to a painting of Reagan in front of the Brandenburg Gate.

02:51:56.000 And up top are the words, tear down this wall, in German, in the style of the graffiti.

02:52:03.000 And I think those are the most important words any leader has said in modern times.

02:52:08.000 And if you look at how Reagan waged the Cold War, and Reagan is very much my model for how to...

02:52:16.000 I actually think how Reagan took on the Soviet Union is exactly how we should take on China. 0.79

02:52:20.000 Now, starting from the point In eight years, the biggest country Reagan ever invaded was Grenada.

02:52:29.000 He was very reluctant to use U.S. military force.

02:52:32.000 He didn't respond after the 83 barracks bombings.

02:52:34.000 You're right.

02:52:35.000 He made the judgment that the risk exceeded the benefits.

02:52:38.000 And that's a very rational decision to make.

02:52:42.000 And it's reflected Trump has made those same decisions where he is willing to use military force, but he very much asks, OK, is this good or bad for America?

02:52:53.000 Does this endanger U.S. servicemen and women or not?

02:52:57.000 And one of the points about the Cold War, look, nobody in their right mind wanted to Firing bullets at each other is really unhealthy for human beings.

02:53:12.000 Same thing is true with China.

02:53:13.000 Nobody with any sense says, hey, let's go to war with China.

02:53:16.000 That's really dumb and a whole lot of people could die.

02:53:20.000 But the Cold War showed we've got lots of tools short of sending the Marines to fight against a regime.

02:53:28.000 And one of the most important tools is the bully pulpit.

02:53:31.000 And so when I say I support regime change, I actually think just simply...

02:53:39.000 And so I spend a lot of time.

02:53:40.000 I speak to Iranian dissident groups.

02:53:43.000 I speak out against human rights abuses.

02:53:45.000 I think shining a light on the depravity of leaders is a really powerful tool that America has.

02:53:53.000 Should we limit our activity to that?

02:53:57.000 It depends.

02:53:59.000 Because the U.S. government pays opposition groups, militarized opposition groups in Iran.

02:54:06.000 To overthrow the government.

02:54:07.000 We've done that in a lot of different places, as you know.

02:54:09.000 I'm not saying it's bad, but that's very different from what you're describing.

02:54:12.000 You're saying, we're making a moral case, as we did for seven years with the Soviets.

02:54:16.000 Our system works, yours doesn't.

02:54:18.000 And I think we made a credible case for that.

02:54:20.000 And we beat them over 70 years economically.

02:54:24.000 And that was a huge part of it.

02:54:26.000 Right.

02:54:26.000 I think everyone would agree that was the main part of it.

02:54:28.000 We didn't beat them in Vietnam or North Korea. 0.98

02:54:31.000 The main part of it, but it was tied to a military buildup.

02:54:33.000 So I think it was two things.

02:54:35.000 It was, one, the clarity.

02:54:37.000 So Reagan came in, and he described the Soviet Union as an evil empire.

02:54:41.000 Right.

02:54:42.000 And all of the intelligentsia in D.C., all the Democrats, all the media, they're like, what a horrible thing to say.

02:54:49.000 You can't say that.

02:54:50.000 Reagan went to the United Kingdom, and he said, Marxism, Leninism will end up on the ash heap of history.

02:54:56.000 People were horrified.

02:54:58.000 They asked him, all right, what's your strategy in the Cold War?

02:55:01.000 He said, very simple, we win, they lose.

02:55:03.000 And that was all viewed as sort of a Philistine simplicity.

02:55:09.000 And I think it was exactly right.

02:55:11.000 And laying that out, speaking out, Yeah, I do.

02:55:18.000 Yes.

02:55:18.000 It's a lot of yap.

02:55:19.000 When do they talk about Iran?

02:55:24.000 So much yapping.

02:55:26.000 Ted Cruz always struck me as just full of shit.

02:55:28.000 I know I'm not the first person to say that, but...

02:55:37.000 Times the State Department deleted those words from that speech.

02:55:41.000 And three times Reagan wrote it back.

02:55:44.000 And the State Department argued.

02:55:45.000 They said, Mr. President, you can't say this.

02:55:47.000 This is too bellicose.

02:55:48.000 This is too provocative.

02:55:49.000 And my favorite, they said, this is too unrealistic.

02:55:53.000 The Berlin Wall will stand till the end of time.

02:55:56.000 And Reagan said, look, this is the whole point of the speech.

02:55:59.000 And less than three years after Reagan gave that speech, the Berlin Wall was torn to the ground.

02:56:04.000 And it wasn't knocked down by American army tanks.

02:56:06.000 We didn't shoot missiles at it.

02:56:07.000 It was shining truth and light that tore it down.

02:56:11.000 It was also rebuilding the American military.

02:56:14.000 It was what was then pejoratively called Star Wars, where the Soviet Union, their economy couldn't match our military buildup, and it bankrupted that.

02:56:21.000 That's an example of peace through strength.

02:56:23.000 I wonder, I mean, is there anybody who was alive in 1989 who wouldn't trade that America for the one we live in now?

02:56:28.000 There's not one person, I don't think.

02:56:29.000 Oh, sure.

02:56:30.000 But, I mean, just the basic metrics, debt, suicide rate, life expectancy.

02:56:35.000 I wonder why, after that victory, America didn't thrive in the way that we thought that it would, that I thought that it would.

02:56:41.000 My family was involved in that.

02:56:42.000 I mean, we were very focused on it in my house.

02:56:43.000 We won.

02:56:44.000 And I wonder two things.

02:56:45.000 Why didn't the United States kind of declare victory and make some sort of arrangement with Russia that allowed mutual prosperity rather than continuing a Cold War?

02:56:53.000 And second, I wonder why the United States didn't get a lot better.

02:56:56.000 Like, why don't we have better infrastructure?

02:56:57.000 Why don't we have fewer homeless? 0.88

02:56:58.000 Why do we have all these drugs?

02:56:59.000 Like, if we won, why does our country look like this?

02:57:01.000 I walked across from Union Station this morning, as you do, I'm sure, every day, and all those people lying in the street and sleeping outside.

02:57:05.000 It's like, what is that?

02:57:06.000 We're sorry to say it, but this is not a very safe country.

02:57:08.000 Walk through Oakland or Philadelphia How many ads are in this thing?

02:57:19.000 Look, there's no doubt there are really dangerous forces in our society.

02:57:24.000 Some of it is politics and some of it is culture.

02:57:25.000 And one of the mistakes people make in politics is thinking everything is politics.

02:57:29.000 So the political answer, which I happen to believe, is we went much further down the road of liberalism.

02:57:33.000 You look at Bill Clinton, who inherited the peace dividend of the Cold War being over and moved us more to the left, and then Obama accelerated it a lot.

02:57:40.000 So there are lots of bad economic policies, but I also think they're cultural things.

02:57:48.000 Why has American quality of life not surged after we won the Cold War and defeated our major adversary in the 20th century?

02:57:57.000 Well, Bill Clinton was liberal and then Obama was liberal.

02:58:00.000 It's like, I think you're kind of missing a little part in the middle there.

02:58:03.000 What happened between Bill Clinton and Obama that might have, I don't know, taken our focus off of America?

02:58:10.000 Why is American infrastructure crumbling?

02:58:12.000 Why is our debt so high?

02:58:14.000 Why do we have homeless veterans in the street? 0.64

02:58:17.000 Well, there was Bill Clinton made us liberal, yada, yada, yada.

02:58:21.000 Then Obama made us more liberal.

02:58:22.000 It's like, I don't know, wasn't there something in those intervening years that might have something to do with that?

02:58:27.000 Sort of an interesting take.

02:58:28.000 You know, the global war on terror, the war in Iraq, Afghanistan, that had nothing to do with it, the recession.

02:58:37.000 I know what you're going to say, and I agree 100%.

02:58:38.000 I bet there's not one word that I would disagree with.

02:58:40.000 All I'm saying is, I think it's important to step back and ask.

02:58:43.000 But I actually think Russia has very little to do with it.

02:58:44.000 Well, that's kind of the point that I'm trying to make, which is, like, we're all sort of focused on beating our adversaries abroad, but what is victory worth if our own country becomes what it is now?

02:58:52.000 And maybe we're spending a little too much time focused abroad, and not enough time focused on the people sleeping outside Union Station.

02:58:57.000 So, look, I absolutely think we need to focus at home, emphatically, and we need to focus on prosperity, we need to focus on reducing the debt, reducing spending, empowering people, low taxes, small businesses.

02:59:08.000 American free enterprise, it's the most powerful force for fighting poverty the world has ever seen.

02:59:13.000 A thousand percent there.

02:59:14.000 I also recognize it is a dangerous world.

02:59:17.000 And part of the responsibility of leaders, part of President Trump's responsibility, is to keep America safe.

02:59:23.000 Let's go back to where we started.

02:59:24.000 But can I ask, you've been in the district a long time in D.C., so have I. And the city's way more dangerous, and Congress runs this city.

02:59:29.000 It's a complete crapple.

02:59:30.000 So I'm saying, like, no Iranians ever going to kill me, but I could get carjacked here. 1.00

02:59:33.000 And I just don't understand how the Congress could run the city and focus on the dangers of Iran when the city is a garbage. 1.00

02:59:39.000 It's garbage.

02:59:39.000 But Congress doesn't run the city.

02:59:41.000 We could.

02:59:42.000 Congress does run the city.

02:59:43.000 It's in the Constitution.

02:59:43.000 It's in the Constitution, but they've given home rule so it's a Democrat mayor.

02:59:46.000 You can take it back.

02:59:46.000 You can tell the Congress.

02:59:47.000 I'd vote for it, but it is a question of mass.

02:59:49.000 Okay, but I'm just saying, like, why, how can people ignore...

02:59:57.000 And there's a sense in which the Congress is neglecting the country that elected them in favor of this relentless focus on other people's problems.

03:00:04.000 That's the way it feels as an American.

03:00:06.000 Look, there are lots of problems in America that we need to fix.

03:00:09.000 Why is D.C. a pit?

03:00:11.000 Because you have a mayor and a Democrat city council that won't let police officers arrest bad guys.

03:00:15.000 And in every city you see across the country, whether it's New York, whether it's Chicago, whether it's L.A., whether it's San Francisco, if you have Democrats, we see the L.A. riots where they won't let people be arrested.

03:00:24.000 Then why not work in regime change here?

03:00:26.000 Why not use the bully pulpit?

03:00:27.000 What do you think I do every day?

03:00:28.000 I've never seen a Republican senator stand up and say, I just walked to work this morning over people dying of drug IDs.

03:00:33.000 We're going to shut this place down unless they fix it. 0.97

03:00:35.000 They're mad about Putin.

03:00:36.000 Like, what did Putin do to Washington?

03:00:37.000 Nothing.

03:00:38.000 Look, in terms of regime change, let's talk this week.

03:00:41.000 The riots in L.A. I've made very clear that the cause of those riots are Gavin Newsom and Karen Bass.

03:00:46.000 And when you elect communists who hate America, who stop law enforcement from arresting criminals, you get what you get on the street.

03:00:51.000 Amen, I agree.

03:00:52.000 My in-laws are Californians, and they're wonderful people.

03:00:54.000 Heidi grew up on the central coast of California.

03:00:56.000 And I remember I was texting with my mother-in-law, and I think I sent her a video of criminals going into a store and just looting in California.

03:01:04.000 And her response, she said something like, well, this is really terrible.

03:01:07.000 I wish we could.

03:01:08.000 It's a shame we can't do anything about this.

03:01:10.000 So yes, you can.

03:01:11.000 Go in and arrest them.

03:01:12.000 Throw their butts in jail, put them in handcuffs, and it stops.

03:01:15.000 Exactly.

03:01:15.000 And so we know how to fix these things.

03:01:17.000 And D.C. is, I think D.C. voted, if I remember right, 92% Democrat.

03:01:23.000 Democrat policies don't work, and they destroy every community that they are in charge of.

03:01:28.000 Then why don't Republicans assert their constitutional authority over the city? 0.95

03:01:31.000 Don't they control the Congress? 0.61

03:01:33.000 Yes, I'd be all for it.

03:01:34.000 Who's against it?

03:01:35.000 Susan Collins is really vocally against it.

03:01:37.000 So on questions of home rule, so for example, let's take an issue you and I care a lot about, the COVID lockdowns.

03:01:42.000 I had a couple of years ago in the middle of them.

03:01:45.000 D.C. was proposing, the D.C. school district was proposing throwing out of school any child that was not vaccinated.

03:01:51.000 And at the time, if I remember correctly, it was something like 40% of the African-American students in D.C. were not vaccinated.

03:01:57.000 So we're talking about literally throwing out 40% of the kids at public school.

03:01:59.000 And so I had a vote on the Senate floor to say, look, they can't throw kids out of school for this.

03:02:04.000 And we ended up having a big argument, and part of the argument was home rule.

03:02:08.000 And Susan was the most vocal Republican.

03:02:09.000 It's like, no, no, no, we have to let D.C. run.

03:02:11.000 And I'm like, why?

03:02:12.000 Constitution gives us the power to do it.

03:02:14.000 And it ended up, by the way, every single Democrat, all of them.

03:02:16.000 By the way, I don't really agree with the premise.

03:02:19.000 We're an empire.

03:02:20.000 The United States is an empire.

03:02:22.000 We have a domestic and a foreign policy.

03:02:25.000 So this idea like, well, we're focused on everybody else's problems and not our own.

03:02:30.000 It's like, well, I don't know.

03:02:31.000 I think Republicans and Democrats, they also handle domestic issues.

03:02:36.000 It is true that the global war on terror, war in Iraq, that does consume a lot of the attention and energy and money of the government.

03:02:44.000 That's true.

03:02:45.000 But that's because it's a bad foreign policy.

03:02:47.000 This whole like...

03:02:50.000 I mean, I think we have a domestic and a foreign policy.

03:02:53.000 The question is, what foreign policy?

03:02:55.000 What foreign policy is best?

03:02:56.000 So, I understand the rhetoric.

03:02:59.000 Rhetorically, I think it's sound.

03:03:01.000 You know, why are we going to fight Israel's wars and fight and die over there when we have people dying over here? 0.67

03:03:07.000 I wouldn't even necessarily have a problem with an imperial foreign policy.

03:03:13.000 In principle, I'm not opposed to it.

03:03:16.000 If America was invading countries and making them colonies and we had an empire, I think that would be fantastic. 0.91

03:03:22.000 The question is, who are we fighting the foreign policy for?

03:03:27.000 Who are we fighting the wars for?

03:03:29.000 Who does the foreign policy serve? 0.95

03:03:30.000 In principle, I have no problem with having an empire and having an interest.

03:03:35.000 We have to have an interest in these other countries.

03:03:38.000 Domestic prosperity is inextricably connected to our foreign policy.

03:03:42.000 It's inextricably connected to trade.

03:03:45.000 And trade is inextricably connected to a foreign policy.

03:03:50.000 You know, I mean, look at what happened during COVID.

03:03:52.000 The reason that we have inflation, part of the reason why we have inflation, is because of the supply chain disruptions that happened in 2020.

03:04:00.000 It's because of all those cargo ships that were backed up in the port of Los Angeles.

03:04:05.000 You know, and you have the situation now where we're competing with China, we're fighting a trade war now with tariffs.

03:04:12.000 So I actually disagree with this idea that there's a necessary tension between domestic and foreign policy.

03:04:20.000 They should be harmonized, and we should have a foreign policy.

03:04:23.000 The question is, who is it for?

03:04:25.000 And, you know, Tucker's going to get into that later, but I never love that rhetoric, this like, what about what we're doing over here?

03:04:32.000 Because you look at, like, a good example is what's happening in Ukraine.

03:04:36.000 We spent maybe $200-300 billion on foreign aid to Ukraine.

03:04:41.000 And people say that's outrageous.

03:04:43.000 And it is.

03:04:44.000 But in the grand scheme of things, $200-300 billion is not a lot of money.

03:04:50.000 Not compared to what the federal government spends every year.

03:04:54.000 Federal government spends $7-8 trillion every single year.

03:04:59.000 $7-8 trillion in federal receipts.

03:05:02.000 So that's $0.2 trillion.

03:05:06.000 Over three years versus $8 trillion each year versus $21 to $24 trillion.

03:05:13.000 I don't know the exact numbers off the top of my head, but it's like 1% of all the federal outlays.

03:05:19.000 And that's not to say that I support that.

03:05:22.000 I don't.

03:05:23.000 But here's another helpful number.

03:05:25.000 During the COVID pandemic.

03:05:27.000 When they passed the first relief bill, the first or second stimulus bill back in 2020, April or May 2020, everybody got a check for $1,200.

03:05:38.000 Remember?

03:05:38.000 They said if you earn, I think, less than $100,000 annually, you get a check for $1,200.

03:05:44.000 That cash stimulus cost the government $250 billion.

03:05:50.000 So if we sent Ukraine $200 to $300 billion, And the cash payment to Americans was $250 billion.

03:06:01.000 Then all that support for Ukraine would amount to $1,000 for a small percentage of the population for, like, what it amount to?

03:06:09.000 A third?

03:06:10.000 40%?

03:06:11.000 Half the population?

03:06:13.000 It's not life-changing.

03:06:15.000 You know, so people talk about homelessness and health care and retirees and child care and education.

03:06:22.000 You know, it's not because, and I've said this for a long time, I am America first, I do oppose spending the money, but the idea that that is why we're broke, it simply isn't the case.

03:06:36.000 Now, when you factor in the war in Afghanistan, the war in Iraq, when you take all of it together, then you get to $10 trillion over 20 years, and it's a little bit of a bigger pie, but there are structural problems.

03:06:51.000 Why the country is going bankrupt, and it really has a lot more to do with entitlements.

03:06:56.000 You can't have a warfare state and a welfare state, and you certainly should not have a warfare state when you don't need to be fighting wars.

03:07:04.000 We have a very decadent and exorbitant welfare state alongside a pretty substantial warfare state, but there's not even really a good reason.

03:07:16.000 To have a wartime economy.

03:07:18.000 I mean, why are we fighting these ragheads in the Middle East? 1.00

03:07:20.000 That's the part that doesn't make sense.

03:07:22.000 So, you know, this is where I even maybe have a departure with Tucker or Ted Cruz even for that matter.

03:07:28.000 I think that we should have an imperial reach.

03:07:32.000 We should have a huge navy. 0.97

03:07:34.000 We should have a very robust foreign policy.

03:07:36.000 I'm not opposed to interventions abroad necessarily all the time.

03:07:40.000 But the question is, again, you know, what are they for?

03:07:43.000 Are they America first? 0.98

03:07:44.000 I don't think that...

03:07:52.000 What are we doing over there?

03:07:54.000 You know, that's rhetoric.

03:07:56.000 That's a rhetorical argument, and it is effective, but it also just doesn't really – the math doesn't really work.

03:08:02.000 So I don't know if I necessarily agree with all that.

03:08:05.000 Voted in favor of the D.C. public schools being able to throw out.

03:08:10.000 I said, look, you throw a kid out of school.

03:08:12.000 You got a 14, 15-year-old boy.

03:08:13.000 You throw him out of school.

03:08:14.000 You know what's going to happen next.

03:08:15.000 He's going to join a gang.

03:08:16.000 He's going to engage in crimes.

03:08:17.000 He's going to engage in drugs.

03:08:18.000 He could be dead within five years if that kid doesn't get an education.

03:08:21.000 And the Democrats were more than happy to say we don't care.

03:08:23.000 I mean, and by the way, one other thing.

03:08:25.000 Probably the biggest reason why the country's bankrupt is because of trade.

03:08:30.000 It's because of really trade more than anything.

03:08:34.000 The reason why life expectancy is arguably going down, the reason you have deaths of despair, the reason you have homelessness, the reason why fentanyl is so attractive is because all of the small towns and cities in America are being destroyed by free trade.

03:08:52.000 Because all of the workshops and manufacturing, all of the industry that supported these economies of small towns and cities Was destroyed by free trade.

03:09:06.000 It was Chinese with their tiny little hands in little sweatshops in Indonesia and Vietnam with slave wages. 0.98

03:09:15.000 They were out competing, the industry in the United States.

03:09:19.000 And when all the factories left, Gary, Indiana, Detroit, Michigan, South Bend, Indiana, when they left...

03:09:34.000 There's no growth.

03:09:36.000 There's no jobs.

03:09:37.000 The biggest industries are government, healthcare, education.

03:09:41.000 That's why people are killing themselves.

03:09:43.000 Because if you look in the big cities, it's really more of like a governance problem.

03:09:47.000 And the big cities are actually doing pretty good.

03:09:50.000 Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, they have big, diversified, robust economies.

03:09:56.000 They have really good schools.

03:09:58.000 I mean, we have the top universities in the world.

03:10:01.000 In terms of companies, we have some of the best private and public companies in the world.

03:10:08.000 Why is there so much crime?

03:10:09.000 That's an administrative problem.

03:10:11.000 That's a government problem.

03:10:12.000 The big cities are doing pretty good.

03:10:14.000 If they just cleaned up the streets, literally and figuratively, it would be like utopia.

03:10:18.000 We could have paradise.

03:10:20.000 The reason why we have shitty public transportation and traffic and crime is because the mayors and public prosecutors don't want to arrest black people.

03:10:29.000 But if you clean that up, these cities would look a lot more like Europe or more like Dubai and the Gulf states than they do right now.

03:10:38.000 What is driving the despair in America is everywhere else.

03:10:42.000 It is the American heartland that's being hollowed out.

03:10:44.000 That's a trade problem.

03:10:47.000 You know, you can't even begin to address that before you talk about financialization.

03:10:52.000 And certainly fighting unnecessary wars isn't helping us, but the chief problem is opening up our markets the way that we have.

03:11:02.000 If you had tariffs, if you had a foreign policy that was aimed at supply chains, we would be in good shape.

03:11:12.000 If we were still building ships, if we were still making steel.

03:11:16.000 You know, it'd be a different story.

03:11:17.000 South Korea makes ships.

03:11:20.000 They're an advanced industrialized economy.

03:11:22.000 I mean, we can make ships too.

03:11:29.000 But can you see, I mean, again, once again, I couldn't agree with you more, but can you feel the frustration of people, including your voters, every American, at the emphasis on foreign countries and the threat we supposedly face, which is fake, obviously.

03:11:44.000 Over the kind of slowly unfolding tragedy of what's happening to our country, the dollars spent, the aid packages to Ukraine to pay the retirement of civil servants in a country that we have nothing to do with, the endless support for Israel, very expensive.

03:11:59.000 When people are literally buying groceries on credit in the United States, can you feel like nothing gets to Ukraine or Israel?

03:12:04.000 All right, let's stop.

03:12:05.000 You said the support for Israel, very expensive.

03:12:07.000 How much support do we give to Israel?

03:12:09.000 Well, you tell me.

03:12:09.000 You vote for it.

03:12:10.000 It's about $3 billion a year, the military assistance.

03:12:13.000 It's closer to $4 billion a year.

03:12:14.000 It's like $3.8 billion.

03:12:17.000 I like how they round down.

03:12:18.000 It's about $3 billion per year.

03:12:20.000 It's $3.8 billion.

03:12:22.000 It's far closer to $4 billion.

03:12:23.000 And like Tucker says, there's more than just that military aid.

03:12:26.000 Oh, it's like $3 billion.

03:12:26.000 We just have military assistance.

03:12:27.000 Israel does not have additional assistance.

03:12:29.000 There's an MOU, a Memorandum of Understanding, and it's $3 billion a year.

03:12:32.000 So what is it costing the support?

03:12:34.000 For the bombing campaign to protect Israel right now from Iran. 0.99

03:12:37.000 So I don't know right now, but I'll tell you this.

03:12:40.000 Let's go back to the touchstone on foreign policy.

03:12:42.000 American interest.

03:12:43.000 Our support, our military support for Israel is massively in America's national security.

03:12:48.000 But what does it cost?

03:12:49.000 And it benefits us enormously.

03:12:49.000 Well, before we can make independent judgments about whether or not that's true, and I'm certainly open to it, I think we need to know what it costs.

03:12:55.000 So what's the annual cost of defending Israel?

03:12:57.000 Do you know?

03:12:57.000 Three billion a year.

03:12:58.000 No, no, no.

03:12:58.000 That's the aid.

03:12:59.000 But I mean, the cost of the weapons, for example.

03:13:02.000 The cost of U.S. personnel there, the cost of moving ships to the region, which we're doing right now, the cost of moving tankers, all of that.

03:13:08.000 Do we know what the cost is?

03:13:09.000 So, look, the last week, I don't know, and there's some lag when the administration on the Constitution, the commander-in-chief, has control of the armed forces, and so President Trump has made some decisions that will know the cost over time, but I don't know the last week.

03:13:20.000 I don't have visibility on that.

03:13:22.000 The annual cost is $3 billion.

03:13:24.000 It's a 10-year memorandum of understanding, and that's the principal driver of the cost.

03:13:27.000 But let me make a point.

03:13:29.000 That's not true.

03:13:30.000 The Trump administration fast-tracked $12 billion earlier this year.

03:13:34.000 The MOU, which was in 2016, is $3.8 per year.

03:13:38.000 But last year we had a foreign aid package for Israel in, I think, April.

03:13:42.000 And it was something like $25 billion.

03:13:45.000 And then $12 billion, there was a supplemental amount of money.

03:13:48.000 And then I think they sent over some that had been approved from the previous year in the early months of the Trump administration.

03:13:54.000 So since October 7th, it's obviously gone up significantly for this.

03:13:59.000 Uh, For this conflict in particular, but also you can tack on year over year the cost of the Iron Dome because we have the $3.8 billion from the MOU and you have the cost of the Iron Dome on top of that and you have the cost of every other conflict that we're involved in with Israel, whether it's October 7th, whether it's deploying assets to protect them against Hezbollah, against Iran, whatever, and that doesn't have a fixed number necessarily, so that's just totally dishonest.

03:14:26.000 Massive benefits from Israel. 0.77

03:14:28.000 Israel shares.

03:14:29.000 The Mossad is one of the best intelligence sources on the planet.

03:14:32.000 Somebody says in the live chat, somebody says $300 billion to Ukraine is nothing but $3.8 billion to Israel is much.

03:14:39.000 No, I'm not saying it's – I've never said that foreign aid as a cost is prohibitive.

03:14:44.000 I'm not in principle against foreign aid.

03:14:47.000 Some people say we shouldn't give foreign aid to anybody.

03:14:49.000 I think we should.

03:14:51.000 I think foreign aid is good.

03:14:52.000 Foreign aid makes sense because it is very cheap.

03:14:55.000 It's very cost effective.

03:14:58.000 To buy influence.

03:14:59.000 America is an empire.

03:15:01.000 The problem is Israel gets the most of it. 0.93

03:15:04.000 That is emblematic of its influence over our government.

03:15:07.000 So it's not cost.

03:15:09.000 Over the history of the state of Israel since 1948, it's cumulatively, it's something like $250 billion.

03:15:17.000 When you add the cost of the Iraq war, the global war on terror, which Israel had a lot to do with, it rises to many trillions.

03:15:25.000 When you adjust it for inflation, when you account for interest over time, it would be many trillions of dollars, like $15 or $20 trillion or something like that.

03:15:35.000 But that's really taking everything into account over 70 or 80 years.

03:15:41.000 But it's not – the problem is not the cost.

03:15:43.000 The problem is what it is doing strategically to us and how it is representative of their influence because I agree.

03:15:51.000 And I've never said, oh, 3.8 is such a big deal.

03:15:53.000 They receive the most out of any country.

03:15:56.000 They have received the most out of any country since 1978.

03:16:00.000 And that just reflects their influence.

03:16:02.000 the number one, two, and three countries, Israel, Egypt, and Jordan, all of that facilitates Israel's national interest.

03:16:13.000 And the reason that we have that arrangement is, So for me, it was never about the cost by itself.

03:16:20.000 It's about what does that say about our Congress?

03:16:22.000 That every politician, it's a 99 to 1 vote in the Senate.

03:16:26.000 It's a unanimous vote in the House every year.

03:16:29.000 More foreign aid to Israel.

03:16:30.000 It's increasing all the time.

03:16:32.000 Aid to Egypt.

03:16:33.000 Aid to Jordan.

03:16:33.000 So they keep their peace treaty with Israel.

03:16:37.000 Because the number is not necessarily cost prohibitive.

03:16:40.000 The big cost is the wars.

03:16:43.000 Israel drove us into the war in Iraq.

03:16:46.000 And the war in Iraq cost us, at the minimum, $3 trillion, probably closer to $7 trillion.

03:16:53.000 So, that is prohibitive.

03:16:56.000 So, smartass and live chat.

03:16:58.000 Oh, $300 billion to Ukraine.

03:17:00.000 You just said that's nothing but $3.8 trillion.

03:17:02.000 Well, once again, that's just a foreign aid.

03:17:05.000 When you talk about these strategic commitments to Israel, like the war in Iraq, which was done at their behest. 0.64

03:17:11.000 Intelligence fabricated by the Office of Special Plans from Jewish neocons, Netanyahu's advocacy, their neocons in the press at the Weekly Standard, AEI, and the rest of it, Wall Street Journal, pushing us into the war. 0.76

03:17:24.000 That costs many trillions of dollars.

03:17:27.000 So yeah, that number is bigger than the conflict in Ukraine.

03:17:31.000 The enemies of Israel, the people who hate Israel, they all hate us.

03:17:34.000 It's almost a perfect overlap.

03:17:36.000 And so if we tried to recreate, if we're just trying to defend America, we tried to recreate the national security benefits of our alliance with Israel, it would cost, I don't know, $30 billion, $300 billion. 0.86

03:17:45.000 So can you elaborate?

03:17:47.000 Again, I'm going into this as someone who's always liked Israel and still does.

03:17:51.000 Why do you like Israel?

03:17:52.000 At this point, given where we are, it's fair to ask rational questions about what the benefits are.

03:17:55.000 Good.

03:17:56.000 So does Mossad share all of its intelligence with us?

03:17:59.000 Oh, probably not, but they share a lot.

03:18:01.000 We don't share all of our intelligence with them, but we share a lot.

03:18:03.000 It's a close alliance.

03:18:04.000 Do they spy domestically in the United States?

03:18:06.000 Oh, they probably do, and we do as well.

03:18:08.000 And friends and allies spy on each other.

03:18:09.000 And I assume all of our allies spy on us.

03:18:11.000 And that's okay with you?

03:18:12.000 You know what?

03:18:13.000 One of the things about being a conservative is that you're not naive and utopian.

03:18:16.000 You don't think humans are all...

03:18:24.000 As a conservative, I assume people act in their rational self-interest.

03:18:27.000 So it's conservative to pay people to spy on you?

03:18:30.000 It's conservative to recognize that human beings act in their own self-interest, and every one of our friends spies on us.

03:18:36.000 That's my question.

03:18:36.000 I'm not asking whether they have motive to do it.

03:18:38.000 Of course they do.

03:18:38.000 I understand that.

03:18:39.000 And I'm not mad at them, but you're an American lawmakers, so I just want to know your attitude.

03:18:44.000 You said that your guiding principle, in fact, the only principle, the only criterion.

03:18:49.000 I said guiding.

03:18:49.000 The overwhelming.

03:18:50.000 I wouldn't say only.

03:18:51.000 Is it in America's interest?

03:18:52.000 Is it in America's interest for Israel to spy on us, including on the president? 0.69

03:18:55.000 It is in America's interest to be closely allied with Israel because— I like how we can't answer. 0.88

03:19:02.000 I like how we can't even answer the question, is it good for America to be spied on by Israel? 0.98

03:19:08.000 We get huge benefits for it, and you want to see the clear— I just want to stop on this one for a second.

03:19:12.000 It takes place, as you know.

03:19:15.000 Including on the President of the United States and several precedents.

03:19:17.000 And I just want to know if that's okay and why is it okay?

03:19:20.000 Wouldn't an American lawmaker say to a client state, you're not allowed to spy on us?

03:19:24.000 I'm sorry.

03:19:24.000 I know why you want to.

03:19:25.000 I'm not mad at you, but you're not allowed to.

03:19:26.000 And I don't care for it.

03:19:27.000 I don't want to be spied on by you.

03:19:29.000 It's kind of weird not to say that, but you don't seem able to say that.

03:19:32.000 Sure, I would say don't spy on us.

03:19:34.000 They're going to anyway.

03:19:34.000 And by the way, the Brits are, the Canadians are.

03:19:36.000 But I don't think Well, I'm not for that at all.

03:19:38.000 I think it's disgusting, but we don't actually pay their We're not paying for the operations of the British government.

03:19:45.000 So I gotta say, and this is, it's weird.

03:19:47.000 We're talking about isolation.

03:19:48.000 It's the obsession with Israel. 0.63

03:19:50.000 Why is Israel? 0.87

03:19:50.000 I don't think I'm obsessed with Israel. 0.87

03:19:52.000 Look at that.

03:19:52.000 Look at how they turn.

03:19:54.000 Look at how they turn like that.

03:19:57.000 We give Israel all this aid.

03:19:59.000 And by the way, Israel conducts one of the most aggressive spying operations on our soil out of any country.

03:20:06.000 It is Russia and China in the number one and number two position, probably China's number one at this point, followed by Israel.

03:20:15.000 So our two greatest adversaries, two great powers, two nuclear-armed great power adversaries, they're the number one and number two most aggressive spying operations on U.S. soil.

03:20:28.000 Number three is our closest ally, Israel.

03:20:31.000 So it's not like they're just doing their due diligence.

03:20:35.000 It's not like they're just hanging out.

03:20:37.000 It's sort of this innocuous thing.

03:20:39.000 They have, and I would argue even that, that's a report that comes from a long time ago.

03:20:43.000 That report's like seven years old, actually.

03:20:48.000 Probably Israel conducts the most aggressive spying operation on our soil out of any country.

03:20:54.000 And they're our closest ally.

03:20:55.000 They're our client state, as Tucker said.

03:20:58.000 We give them billions of dollars per year.

03:21:00.000 Our military aid is a significant proportion, I think it's a quarter or a third of their defense budget.

03:21:07.000 We're paying their military to spy on us.

03:21:10.000 We're paying their security apparatus to conduct an aggressive and hostile spying operation on our soil.

03:21:18.000 Which in principle is obviously wrong.

03:21:21.000 And Tucker is saying, well, you know, do you think, do you like that?

03:21:24.000 Do you think we should pay a country to spy on us?

03:21:27.000 And Tucker says, or Ted Cruz can't even answer it.

03:21:30.000 Well, you know, they're going to spy on us anyway.

03:21:33.000 Why are you obsessed with Israel?

03:21:37.000 That's always where it goes.

03:21:39.000 Always, every single time.

03:21:41.000 All you have to do is point out this contradiction.

03:21:43.000 You say, Israel receives the most foreign aid.

03:21:46.000 We defend Israel too.

03:21:48.000 We fight wars at their behest.

03:21:51.000 They spy on us.

03:21:53.000 How is this good for us?

03:21:55.000 We give them all this money.

03:21:57.000 They're spying on our politicians.

03:21:59.000 They're pressuring our government to do their bidding.

03:22:01.000 Why are we paying for them to do this?

03:22:04.000 Is this how allies behave?

03:22:06.000 Is this good for America?

03:22:08.000 And before people will even answer you, these mainstream Republican types like Ted Cruz, they'll turn it around and say, why are you obsessed with Israel?

03:22:17.000 And by the way, there's an insinuation inside that question, which is, You're obsessed with Israel because you hate Jews.

03:22:26.000 That's what they're, that's always how they turn it.

03:22:29.000 And it is on its face a contradiction.

03:22:31.000 It's on its face.

03:22:34.000 Hypocritical, a double standard.

03:22:36.000 You know, we give them money and yet they're hurting us.

03:22:39.000 We would not tolerate that arrangement with any other country.

03:22:42.000 We wouldn't pay China's military budget to hurt our country.

03:22:45.000 We wouldn't pay Russia's military budget to spy on our country.

03:22:49.000 Why are we paying Israel more money than anybody? 0.63

03:22:52.000 And by the way, the next two countries were also paying them on Israel's behalf for them to really have a hostile orientation towards us.

03:23:01.000 An abusive, manipulative, hostile orientation.

03:23:04.000 Why is that good?

03:23:05.000 That's a fair question.

03:23:06.000 That's a valid, logical, supportable question.

03:23:11.000 And they turn it around and say, well, why do you hate Jews?

03:23:14.000 First of all, there's this premise.

03:23:17.000 Well, And by the way, why are you obsessed with Israel?

03:23:24.000 Is it because you're a rabid anti-Semite who harbors irrational hatred for Jewish people?

03:23:31.000 This is what happened to me when I was a kid.

03:23:34.000 When I was 18 years old, when I was a freshman in college, I asked the exact same question.

03:23:40.000 I went to school in Boston, and I knew a lot of the Boston area.

03:23:46.000 Young Republican types, young Republican guys at Campus Reform, at Young Americans for Liberty, at TPUSA, College Republicans.

03:23:56.000 And a lot of them were Jewish.

03:23:58.000 A lot of them were working with Daily Wire.

03:24:01.000 And I would say, I would ask this exact same conversation.

03:24:05.000 I would say they conduct the most aggressive spying operation on our soil.

03:24:10.000 I would say we give them $3.8 billion per year.

03:24:13.000 I would say all this.

03:24:15.000 And they would turn it around and say, why are you obsessed with Israel?

03:24:19.000 Why is that all you can talk about?

03:24:21.000 And I would say, I'm not.

03:24:22.000 It just doesn't make any sense.

03:24:24.000 And I would say, it feels like you can't talk about this.

03:24:27.000 And then they started coming for me.

03:24:29.000 And when I say they started coming for me, let me be specific.

03:24:34.000 They would call my boss at Right Side Broadcasting Network every night.

03:24:39.000 And they would say, did you see what he just said on a show?

03:24:43.000 You need to fire him. 0.88

03:24:44.000 Every day for weeks after we had this conversation.

03:24:48.000 I was a kid.

03:24:49.000 They were kids.

03:24:50.000 I was 18. I think they were maybe in their early 20s or something.

03:24:55.000 And they would literally call my boss every night.

03:24:58.000 Did you believe what he just said on his show?

03:25:00.000 You need to fire him. 0.88

03:25:01.000 He's going to ruin your network.

03:25:03.000 And then they started publishing hit pieces in Campus Reform, started writing negative tweets about me.

03:25:09.000 They were passing along clips from my show to Media Matters.

03:25:13.000 They prevented me from getting a job at the Leadership Institute.

03:25:17.000 Then later, that was in February or March 2017.

03:25:21.000 Then in the summer, in August 2017, I went out to D.C. for a job at the Leadership Institute.

03:25:27.000 I went to a job training.

03:25:29.000 They pulled strings to prevent me from getting a job.

03:25:33.000 So I was canceled as an 18-year-old freshman.

03:25:38.000 There was like this flying monkey brigade.

03:25:42.000 We woo, we woo.

03:25:44.000 We got one who can see.

03:25:46.000 We have someone criticizing Israel.

03:25:48.000 Throttle him in the crib.

03:25:50.000 Prevent him from ever working in this industry.

03:25:54.000 And it went exactly like this.

03:25:56.000 You asked this question.

03:25:57.000 You observed the double standard.

03:26:00.000 And look, it's a reasonable question.

03:26:02.000 It's totally valid.

03:26:05.000 They do spy on us.

03:26:06.000 They do abuse our country.

03:26:08.000 We pay them to do it.

03:26:09.000 How can anybody justify that?

03:26:13.000 And before he can even get an answer like, is it bad that Israel spies on us?

03:26:17.000 It'd be one thing if they said, well, yeah, but it's unavoidable.

03:26:23.000 Yeah, but, you know, here's why that doesn't matter or something.

03:26:26.000 If you actually had some kind of engagement with the facts, you'd say, okay.

03:26:31.000 But then they'd turn it around and say, well, you hate Jews.

03:26:33.000 You're an anti-Semite.

03:26:34.000 You're the worst thing a person can be, a Nazi.

03:26:37.000 Now, the difference is most people...

03:26:47.000 That's the difference.

03:26:49.000 Most people start to press up against this subject and they say, oh, I don't want to be called a Nazi.

03:26:54.000 I guess I'll just give up this line of questioning.

03:26:58.000 Ah, yeah, you're right.

03:26:59.000 Maybe I am talking about Jews too much.

03:27:01.000 Back to our regularly scheduled programming.

03:27:04.000 But me, I went the other direction.

03:27:07.000 I said, hmm, wait a second.

03:27:09.000 I said, if I ask a valid question about Israel, I get called a Nazi.

03:27:16.000 And I asked another question.

03:27:18.000 I said, why is being a Nazi a bad thing?

03:27:23.000 Answer, because of the Holocaust. 0.92

03:27:25.000 Being a Nazi is the worst thing you can be because Adolf Hitler, who was the founder of the Nazi Party, perpetrated the Holocaust, which is the most unique. 0.90

03:27:38.000 Worst genocide in the history of mankind.

03:27:40.000 That's why.

03:27:41.000 But I said, I'm not in favor of a Holocaust. 0.94

03:27:44.000 I'm not in favor of killing all Jews.

03:27:46.000 I just want America first.

03:27:48.000 Why are they using this label?

03:27:51.000 And I said, isn't this kind of like, do you understand how, you know, there's all the difference in the world between people that can critically think and ask questions and answer them and people that can't?

03:28:03.000 Asked and answered.

03:28:04.000 They called me a Nazi.

03:28:05.000 Why is that a bad thing?

03:28:08.000 Sincerely, has anyone ever thought about it?

03:28:10.000 They call you a Nazi, and the reason why Nazi looms large, the reason it casts a shadow over everything, as opposed to being called a communist or being called a fascist even or something else, is because Hitler perpetrated allegedly, again, this is all nominal, allegedly Hitler perpetrated the most unique genocide.

03:28:29.000 He didn't kill the most people, but what made it particularly heinous, according to the narrative, Is that it was systematic and industrial.

03:28:38.000 And that it was intended to kill the Jews of all people. 0.72

03:28:42.000 Because he killed gypsies. 1.00

03:28:43.000 He killed Catholic priests.

03:28:45.000 He killed disabled people, gay people.

03:28:47.000 People don't really talk about that.

03:28:49.000 They talk about the Jews.

03:28:51.000 That's what made it so heinous.

03:28:54.000 And that's what makes it so evil.

03:28:56.000 And at that time, with that sort of contingent definition.

03:29:01.000 Okay, of what it is to be a Nazi.

03:29:03.000 I said, but wait a second.

03:29:04.000 I don't support killing all Jews, and I don't even hate Jews.

03:29:07.000 At that time, I didn't know anything about Jews.

03:29:09.000 I just said, look, I don't hate Jews.

03:29:11.000 I don't really care that much about Jews. 0.99

03:29:13.000 I just said, I just want America first, and there's this pretty self-evident contradiction. 0.73

03:29:17.000 And at that time, as a conservative, I said, well, isn't this kind of like how the left calls everybody racist?

03:29:25.000 I asked another question.

03:29:26.000 I said, you know, they're calling me a Nazi.

03:29:29.000 Why is that bad?

03:29:30.000 Oh, that's why.

03:29:31.000 But I don't support that.

03:29:32.000 This is sort of like if you say that black people should graduate high school and not have kids out of wedlock, you could call the racist.

03:29:41.000 And conservatives criticize the left for doing that.

03:29:44.000 I said, so isn't that another hypocrisy?

03:29:47.000 Isn't that sort of like a layered double standard?

03:29:50.000 America first for every country, but not Israel. 0.88

03:29:53.000 Free marketplace of ideas, but not for Israel. 0.99

03:29:57.000 And if you talk about it, they call you a Nazi.

03:29:59.000 Isn't that the same suppression tactic of the left?

03:30:02.000 And then I thought, you know, maybe there's something more to the story here.

03:30:11.000 Because they also call you a Nazi if you're pro-white.

03:30:16.000 The other reason they call you a Nazi is if you like white people too much, if you like blonde hair, blue eyed, if you have this like fetish for racial purity, if you want to have white children, if you want America to be a white country, if you think that white people are special, they say you're a white.

03:30:35.000 So it's also it's white supremacy and it's being against Jewish people.

03:30:40.000 But I started to think, wait a second, you know, I'm not in favor of a Holocaust. 0.90

03:30:45.000 At the same time, Jewish people do seem to have a lot of power, and white people do seem to be special.

03:30:51.000 And then I thought, maybe they're calling us Nazis to steer us away from the truth.

03:30:58.000 They're calling us a name.

03:31:00.000 They've programmed us so that any time we step over this line and think, you know what?

03:31:05.000 We do support Israel too much. 1.00

03:31:07.000 They hit us with Nazi.

03:31:09.000 Every time we say, you know what?

03:31:10.000 White people are special.

03:31:11.000 I want this country to be white. 1.00

03:31:13.000 I think we are unique.

03:31:15.000 White people are beautiful and white people are intelligent.

03:31:19.000 They hit us with Nazi.

03:31:21.000 And then I started to think, well, maybe everything we know about the Nazis should be questioned also.

03:31:27.000 In the same way that Israel being our closest ally is a mantra, maybe so is this narrative about Hitler and the Nazis.

03:31:36.000 Because I started to think, didn't Joseph Stalin kill millions of people?

03:31:41.000 Didn't Mao Zedong?

03:31:43.000 Didn't Pol Pot have other dictators?

03:31:47.000 Didn't the Mongols? 0.97

03:31:49.000 Didn't Genghis Khan?

03:31:51.000 Didn't other leaders throughout history kill millions and invade countries?

03:31:55.000 I said, so, you know, what really is going on with the Nazis?

03:31:59.000 There have been other dictators.

03:32:00.000 There have been other autocratic states.

03:32:03.000 Why is Hitler so bad?

03:32:05.000 And then you get back to that argument.

03:32:07.000 And then you say, wait a second.

03:32:08.000 Then you really start to unpackage some of the things that happened during World War II.

03:32:13.000 That's beyond the scope of this episode, this stream.

03:32:16.000 But you really just start to unravel the whole thing.

03:32:21.000 But you have to think critically.

03:32:23.000 You can't let them.

03:32:24.000 That's why I love people like Ye.

03:32:27.000 And people might not understand him and what he does, but you have to break through.

03:32:33.000 Those mental barricades that they put up in your life where they say, don't think this, don't say that.

03:32:39.000 You have to be able to ask and answer questions.

03:32:43.000 And this is one of those cases where it's like, Israel spying on our country is obviously not good for us.

03:32:48.000 Can we ask that?

03:32:49.000 Or are we Jew-aders for asking the damn question?

03:32:53.000 That's how they play, though.

03:32:54.000 And like the question, Israel spies on us.

03:32:56.000 Well, so does every other country.

03:32:57.000 Why are you mad at Israel?

03:32:57.000 I guess, no, no, no, I'm hardly the one who's...

03:33:02.000 Have you?

03:33:03.000 Taken money from the Israel.

03:33:04.000 Wait, wait.

03:33:05.000 I love that.

03:33:05.000 It's the obsession with Israel.

03:33:09.000 Okay, but I think a lot of people are.

03:33:10.000 And like the question, Israel spies on us.

03:33:11.000 Well, so does every other country.

03:33:12.000 Why are you mad at Israel?

03:33:13.000 No, no, no.

03:33:14.000 I'm hardly the one who's...

03:33:17.000 Have you?

03:33:18.000 Taking money from the Israelites. 0.79

03:33:20.000 So AIPAC raises a lot of money for me, but it's actually a misnomer because the people who raise money are individuals.

03:33:24.000 So it's not the PAC itself, but they're individual members who believe in the American-Israeli friendship and relationship.

03:33:30.000 Is AIPAC a foreign lobby?

03:33:31.000 No, it's an American lobby.

03:33:32.000 It's the AIPAC stands for the America Israeli Political Action.

03:33:35.000 What is it lobby for?

03:33:36.000 So, to be honest, not a whole lot effectively.

03:33:39.000 Listen.

03:33:39.000 What?

03:33:40.000 What?

03:33:42.000 The American Israel Public Affairs Committee lobbies for nothing.

03:33:48.000 What does AIPAC lobby for?

03:33:50.000 Not a whole lot.

03:33:51.000 Do you see that face he made?

03:33:53.000 Israeli political action.

03:33:54.000 What is it lobby for?

03:33:55.000 So, to be honest, not a whole lot effectively.

03:33:58.000 Not a whole lot.

03:34:00.000 What is the Israel lobby lobby for?

03:34:03.000 Nothing.

03:34:05.000 Nothing.

03:34:07.000 What is the oil and gas lobby lobby for?

03:34:10.000 Nothing.

03:34:11.000 You know, a bunch of little stuff over here.

03:34:13.000 What is the gun lobby lobby for?

03:34:16.000 Nothing.

03:34:17.000 What is the Israel lobby lobby for?

03:34:19.000 Nothing.

03:34:20.000 They just give money for no reason.

03:34:22.000 Not a whole lot, he says.

03:34:25.000 It's so crazy.

03:34:27.000 And they called me a hater for years.

03:34:30.000 Do you understand?

03:34:31.000 And I want to make this personal because it is personal for me.

03:34:35.000 They ruined my life for saying this.

03:34:40.000 They literally ruined my life over this conversation because I was 18, patriotic, I love America, I love Trump.

03:34:52.000 And I enthusiastically voted for Trump as a college freshman to say America first.

03:34:59.000 And then I discovered the Israel lobby.

03:35:02.000 And I said, what is the Israel lobby lobby for?

03:35:05.000 Why do we give them so much money?

03:35:07.000 Why do we fight their wars?

03:35:09.000 How is that consistent with America first? 0.95

03:35:13.000 And as an 18-year-old patriot, they said, you're a Jew hater, you're a Nazi, you're an anti-Semite, and you'll never work again.

03:35:22.000 And for my entire adult life, literally for eight years, that reputational destruction has followed me.

03:35:32.000 I lost all my friends from high school.

03:35:34.000 And people make fun of me.

03:35:36.000 I'm not playing the world's smallest violin, but this is the human cost.

03:35:40.000 This is the human toll of this ridiculous situation.

03:35:45.000 You know, because they called me a Nazi and because I was branded that in the Chicago Tribune and in Media Matters and by these publications.

03:35:57.000 My best friends I went to high school with, they saw that and said, we don't want to talk to this guy anymore.

03:36:04.000 And at college, people were talking about beating me up on campus and saying, if I see that kid with his MAGA hat, I'm going to knock him out and all this kind of stuff.

03:36:14.000 I couldn't get jobs places because of the reputational destruction.

03:36:19.000 And people said, he's a Nazi piece of shit.

03:36:22.000 No one wanted to work with me for years.

03:36:24.000 I got fired from RSBN.

03:36:25.000 I got banned from PayPal, YouTube, you name it, all of it.

03:36:32.000 They ruined my life over this.

03:36:35.000 And now here we are, nearly a decade later, the better part of a decade later, and Tucker asks the sitting U.S. Senator from Texas, what is the Israel lobby lobby for?

03:36:47.000 Nothing.

03:36:48.000 Does anybody believe that?

03:36:49.000 Does that even make sense?

03:36:51.000 Seriously.

03:36:53.000 I think a 10-year-old could see what's happening here.

03:36:56.000 What is the Israel lobby lobby for?

03:36:58.000 Oh, nothing.

03:37:00.000 That is the edifice of lies.

03:37:05.000 The matrix which ruined my life that made everyone think I'm a horrible person.

03:37:11.000 That made everybody think that I'm a vicious, horrible person.

03:37:17.000 The way people talk about me, he's trash.

03:37:19.000 He's a terrible human being.

03:37:21.000 He's evil.

03:37:22.000 He's the worst person in the world.

03:37:24.000 This edifice of lies created that reputation for me that I have had to live in.

03:37:31.000 And when you ask them point blank, is it good for Israel to spy on America in an adversarial way? 0.68

03:37:39.000 Sure, but everybody does it.

03:37:43.000 What does the Israel lobby lobby for?

03:37:46.000 Oh, nothing.

03:37:48.000 That's who lied about me.

03:37:51.000 And, you know, once again, I'm not expecting people to feel sorry for me, but this is what these people have done for a hundred years.

03:38:02.000 For a hundred years.

03:38:05.000 They did it to Henry Ford.

03:38:07.000 They did it to Charles Lindbergh.

03:38:08.000 They did it to Mel Gibson, Michael Jackson, the artist formerly known as Kanye West.

03:38:15.000 They have done this to people for a hundred years, Father Charles Coughlin.

03:38:20.000 For a hundred years, these people have destroyed the reputations of good Americans, Christians, because they dared to ask the same question based on a lie. 0.96

03:38:33.000 This is the big lie.

03:38:34.000 This is your grand deception.

03:38:38.000 And finally, we're at a point where a high-ranking official is confronted by a high-ranking journalist and they just say, hey, what is the Israel lobby lobby for?

03:38:48.000 Oh, I don't know.

03:38:49.000 Nothing, really.

03:38:50.000 Seriously?

03:38:51.000 That's the best you got?

03:38:53.000 That's what this has all been for?

03:38:56.000 Israel's our closest ally.

03:38:58.000 We need to go to war in Iraq. 1.00

03:39:00.000 Anti-Semitism at an all-time high.

03:39:03.000 I mean, and at the center of it, this is the non-existent center.

03:39:10.000 So I hope this has reverberations.

03:39:13.000 I hope people are waking up and the ramifications of this will ripple across society.

03:39:21.000 And they should.

03:39:23.000 Ideas have consequences.

03:39:24.000 And once people start to look at this kind of stuff, These narratives about the Holocaust and anti-Semitism and Nazis and Israel's our closest ally.

03:39:36.000 Once people start to hear that shit and roll their eyes and say, yeah, right.

03:39:41.000 Once people start to see this stuff about anti-Semitism's at an all-time high and people go, oh, really?

03:39:48.000 Sure it is.

03:39:50.000 It's another Holocaust. 0.96

03:39:52.000 Oh, Israel's under attack.

03:39:55.000 Once people start to see the contradictions.

03:39:58.000 And the lies, the hollowness at the center of it, hopefully there's going to be reverberations as people wake up and realize it's all fake.

03:40:08.000 Hopefully it has political consequences.

03:40:11.000 By the way, that's why Israel's making their play now. 0.86

03:40:13.000 That's one of the reasons.

03:40:15.000 Because they know this is like a house of cards falling in slow motion.

03:40:20.000 And in 10, 20 years, there will be no constituency in America that supports Israel.

03:40:26.000 That's why they're getting ready to decouple from the United States, because they know that's coming.

03:40:33.000 And it's sort of like the grift is up.

03:40:36.000 The jig is up, and it's time to beat it to another town, because the goyim no. 1.00

03:40:42.000 We woke up.

03:40:43.000 Listen, I came into Congress 13 years ago with the stated intention of being the leading defender of Israel in the United States Senate.

03:40:51.000 I've worked every day to do that.

03:40:53.000 APAC, a lot of times...

03:40:58.000 Hang on, wait, let's go back and just listen to that one more time.

03:41:02.000 The stated intention of being the leading defender of Israel in the United States Senate.

03:41:12.000 I've worked every day to do that.

03:41:13.000 APAC, a lot of times...

03:41:17.000 AIPAC, I wish, were much more effective.

03:41:18.000 Like, there are folks online who are in the fever swamp of terrified of AIPAC, and AIPAC...

03:41:25.000 You're the one who seems a little uncomfortable when I'm asking this.

03:41:26.000 No, not uncomfortable at all.

03:41:27.000 I'm just asking what APEC does.

03:41:29.000 My understanding, having known a lot of people who work with APEC, is that it lobbies on behalf of the Israeli government.

03:41:34.000 Oh, okay.

03:41:36.000 America has thousands of colleges and universities, and a lot of them, unfortunately, are basically just scammed.

03:41:40.000 Tucker says APEC lobbies on behalf of Israel.

03:41:43.000 Wrong.

03:41:45.000 What is it for?

03:41:48.000 So the whole thing is so crazy.

03:41:50.000 And by the way, for people that are not red-pilled or are just getting red-pilled, isn't it such a shock?

03:41:58.000 Once you see it, you can't unsee it.

03:42:00.000 Once you hear it, you can't unhear it.

03:42:03.000 And it's almost hard to remember how you ever fell for this.

03:42:08.000 Once you see how ubiquitous it is, how oppressive the lies are.

03:42:14.000 How over the top it is.

03:42:17.000 You can't, you can never go back.

03:42:19.000 You know, what is it?

03:42:20.000 What does AIPAC lobby for?

03:42:21.000 Oh, nothing.

03:42:22.000 They lobby for the Israeli government.

03:42:24.000 False.

03:42:25.000 No, they don't.

03:42:26.000 What?

03:42:27.000 Then they say it with a straight face.

03:42:30.000 It's like being outside of a cult.

03:42:32.000 It's like, it's like being outside of North Korea.

03:42:35.000 Hey, doesn't, doesn't, uh, isn't North Korea dictatorship?

03:42:39.000 No, absolutely not.

03:42:41.000 No, no, this is a great country.

03:42:43.000 The best country ever.

03:42:46.000 It's like that guy that stands outside the Scientology clinic on Hollywood Boulevard.

03:42:53.000 Where they like close the doors when they see him coming.

03:42:56.000 You ever see that live streamer?

03:42:58.000 What is AIPAC lobby for?

03:43:00.000 Nothing.

03:43:01.000 How about Israel?

03:43:02.000 No, absolutely not.

03:43:03.000 What?

03:43:04.000 You are brainwashed.

03:43:06.000 Or you're an agent of the Matrix.

03:43:09.000 Which is freedom is good.

03:43:10.000 Christianity is good.

03:43:12.000 Markets are good.

03:43:13.000 It's so crazy.

03:43:14.000 And they make this country better by raising well-educated students.

03:43:17.000 We endorse this.

03:43:18.000 As a college hater, I love Hillsdale.

03:43:20.000 Go to TuckerForHillsdale.com Hillsdale's totally pro-Israel, by the way.

03:43:23.000 I don't know why.

03:43:24.000 You know, that's why I don't trust Tucker.

03:43:26.000 TuckerForHillsdale.com to enroll for free.

03:43:29.000 When was the last time AIPAC took a position that deviated from Prime Minister Netanyahu?

03:43:33.000 All the time.

03:43:34.000 Anyone?

03:43:35.000 Okay.

03:43:36.000 Let me go back and give a little history.

03:43:37.000 Name one.

03:43:40.000 Let's talk about something else, literally.

03:43:43.000 All the time.

03:43:44.000 Okay.

03:43:45.000 Let me go back and give a little history.

03:43:48.000 That's like when you get in an argument with like a woman and they say, you always do this. 1.00

03:43:52.000 You do this every time.

03:43:54.000 And you're like, really?

03:43:54.000 Name one example.

03:43:55.000 And they're like, I can't think of one.

03:43:57.000 You just do.

03:43:58.000 And by a woman, I mean my mom.

03:44:00.000 You know, when I get in an argument with like my mom or like anybody for that matter, you do this all the time.

03:44:06.000 This is what you always do.

03:44:07.000 Oh, really?

03:44:08.000 Give me one example.

03:44:10.000 When has AIPAC ever gone against Israel?

03:44:13.000 All the time.

03:44:14.000 Okay, well, name one example.

03:44:16.000 Let's talk about something else now.

03:44:18.000 Deep dive on AIPAC.

03:44:19.000 I don't.

03:44:19.000 I want to do a shallow dive.

03:44:20.000 I want to get to the core question.

03:44:22.000 AIPAC is lobbying for a foreign government.

03:44:25.000 It's not.

03:44:25.000 It's lobbying for the United States.

03:44:26.000 It is lobbying for a strong U.S.-Israeli relationship.

03:44:30.000 And who does that benefit?

03:44:31.000 So it has nothing to do with the foreign government.

03:44:34.000 It wants America and Israel to be closely allied.

03:44:37.000 Okay, but it's lobbying on behalf of the interests of another country.

03:44:41.000 So that's not true at all.

03:44:42.000 It's not true.

03:44:43.000 No.

03:44:44.000 How much contact do you think AIPAC leaders have with the government of Israel?

03:44:47.000 No idea.

03:44:48.000 I imagine some.

03:44:48.000 I think the government of Israel is often frustrated with AIPAC because AIPAC's not nearly strong enough.

03:44:52.000 Do you think there's any coordination between the government of Israel and AIPAC?

03:44:54.000 Do they talk?

03:44:55.000 Sure.

03:44:55.000 If you're lobbying for more U.S.-Mexico trade, would you talk to people in the U.S. and Mexico and the government?

03:45:00.000 Sure.

03:45:02.000 So I'm not mad about that.

03:45:03.000 There are a million countries that lobby Washington.

03:45:05.000 I like a lot of those countries, including Israel.

03:45:06.000 Okay, but APEC or Americans?

03:45:07.000 They're not Israelis. 1.00

03:45:07.000 Hold on. 1.00

03:45:08.000 There are tons of Americans who lobby on behalf of foreign governments.

03:45:10.000 I know them.

03:45:10.000 I'm related to some of them.

03:45:11.000 I know how it works.

03:45:12.000 I'm from here.

03:45:12.000 So my question is not, is it outrageous that foreign governments lobby the United States?

03:45:16.000 They all do, including Israel. 0.54

03:45:17.000 My only question is, why don't we admit that is what's happening?

03:45:20.000 You're denying it, but it's true. 0.84

03:45:22.000 Because what you're saying is false.

03:45:23.000 Why aren't they registered as a foreign lobby?

03:45:25.000 Because they're not.

03:45:26.000 They're not a foreign lobby.

03:45:27.000 No, they're not.

03:45:28.000 And there's a fever swamp.

03:45:29.000 Look, it's not a fever swamp.

03:45:30.000 These are very reasonable questions.

03:45:32.000 And you've accused me of being obsessed with Israel, which I'm not.

03:45:33.000 I actually haven't.

03:45:34.000 I've said isolationists are.

03:45:35.000 And I'm being feverish about it, which I'm not at all.

03:45:37.000 I find it's a very tender spot when you ask it, and I don't know why.

03:45:41.000 So, Tucker, all right, let's go back.

03:45:44.000 I was first elected to the Senate in 2012.

03:45:46.000 I came in.

03:45:47.000 By the way, I just want to clarify before they move on.

03:45:51.000 You know, when they say, well, AIPAC isn't lobbying for the Israeli government because it's in America.

03:45:58.000 Okay, they are American Jews that are connected to the state of Israel, lobbying on Israel's behalf.

03:46:05.000 And they say, oh, well, because they have U.S. citizenship, in many cases they're dual citizens.

03:46:10.000 In many cases they're citizens in Israel.

03:46:12.000 They have houses in Israel.

03:46:14.000 They live part-time in Israel.

03:46:16.000 Or they're loyal to Israel. 0.59

03:46:17.000 In many cases, they serve in the IDF or they desire to serve in the IDF.

03:46:21.000 They get buried in Israel.

03:46:23.000 But because they technically live here, they say, oh, well, it's not a foreign lobby.

03:46:29.000 Like Sheldon Adelson, for example.

03:46:31.000 Sheldon Adelson was born in America, technically an American, and he gave hundreds of millions of dollars to politicians.

03:46:38.000 And they say, well, that's an American lobbying.

03:46:43.000 It's an interest-based lobby.

03:46:45.000 He likes Israel.

03:46:46.000 He wants to support Israel.

03:46:48.000 But that has nothing to do with the government of Israel because of his citizenship.

03:46:52.000 But Sheldon Adelson was a single-issue voter.

03:46:55.000 When he died, his body was flown to Israel and buried there.

03:46:59.000 His casket was greeted on the tarmac by Benjamin Netanyahu, the Prime Minister of Israel.

03:47:06.000 He said in a speech he wished he had served in the IDF.

03:47:10.000 The Israeli Defense Forces.

03:47:12.000 And they'll say, that's an American.

03:47:14.000 They'll say, that guy was an American who lobbied because he just happened to like Israel.

03:47:19.000 No, he's working and coordinating with the Israeli government.

03:47:22.000 He was friends with Netanyahu.

03:47:24.000 He would have dinner with politicians and Netanyahu in Israel.

03:47:29.000 And really, that gets to the heart of it.

03:47:31.000 Which is that the reason that Israel, and think of it this way.

03:47:36.000 Why?

03:47:37.000 Why is Israel so effective at spying on the United States? 0.99

03:47:41.000 Why is Israel so effective at lobbying in the United States?

03:47:45.000 It's because unlike every other country, Israel has powerful members of its nation, the Jewish nation, living in the United States, having lived here for generations.

03:47:57.000 And they may have been born here and grown up here and have citizenship here, but they are loyal to Israel.

03:48:04.000 And they look white.

03:48:06.000 And they sound white, and they change their names to sound like white names.

03:48:11.000 But they still retain this tribal loyalty to Israel.

03:48:15.000 And that is how Israel is so effective at lobbying our government, spying on our government, because these Jews, they may be born here and grown up here and change their names and all the rest, but when they make it to Washington or New York or L.A., the powerful cities, these loci of powers, of power in elite society, whether it's Entertainment, government, finance. 0.99

03:48:38.000 They retain that loyalty to Israel.

03:48:40.000 And they'll be passing along information to Israel, to Israeli spies.

03:48:45.000 They'll covertly work for Israel.

03:48:47.000 They'll be lobbying on behalf of Israel, covertly.

03:48:50.000 And they'll say, well, I'm an American.

03:48:52.000 And so AIPAC's a perfect example.

03:48:55.000 AIPAC was born from the American Zionist Council.

03:48:58.000 The American Zionist Council was born in Israel.

03:49:01.000 And it worked with the early Zionist movement and then the Israeli government.

03:49:05.000 Jack Kennedy was going to force the American Zionist Council to register under FARA because it was from a foreign government, funded by a foreign government, lobbying America on behalf of that government.

03:49:17.000 JFK was going to say you have to register as a foreign lobby.

03:49:21.000 So then the American Zionist Council reorganized and they took their American lobbying activities and they put it under AIPAC.

03:49:29.000 And they only had American citizens doing the lobbying.

03:49:34.000 It was an accounting trick.

03:49:37.000 It was a clerical trick.

03:49:38.000 They filed the papers in a different way.

03:49:41.000 It's the same group.

03:49:42.000 It's the same lobby.

03:49:44.000 They still receive support and coordination with the Israeli state.

03:49:47.000 But now they're doing it in concert with their American allies.

03:49:50.000 And then they say it's not a forum lobby.

03:49:52.000 Then they say they don't lobby on behalf of Israel.

03:49:55.000 They don't work with the Israeli state because technically it's Americans.

03:49:58.000 And that's the same reason they're able to be aggressive at spying.

03:50:02.000 The same reason they're able to be aggressive in government.

03:50:06.000 And that is the transnational Jewish nation, which is at the center of it.

03:50:12.000 This is why I say it's bigger than Zionism. 0.98

03:50:14.000 It's bigger than just Israel.

03:50:16.000 Because it is the transnational nature, transnational meaning across all nations, or even two nations for that matter.

03:50:24.000 It is the transnational nature of the Jewish nation.

03:50:28.000 They're a diasporic people.

03:50:30.000 For thousands of years, they had no homeland.

03:50:33.000 They were stateless.

03:50:34.000 They lived in Germany, France, Russia, England, Italy, the United States, and all the colonies of those European countries.

03:50:42.000 They lived in Portugal and Spain, so they lived in Brazil and in Mexico.

03:50:46.000 They lived in England, so they lived in the United States and India.

03:50:49.000 They lived in...

03:50:57.000 Why was the Rothschild banking family so powerful?

03:51:02.000 Because of their intelligence network.

03:51:04.000 Because one family had descendants in every capital, in Paris, in London, in Brussels, in Berlin, in Rome.

03:51:13.000 And they all knew each other because they were stateless.

03:51:16.000 You know, an Italian couldn't go to Germany because he's Italian.

03:51:19.000 A German couldn't go to France because he's German.

03:51:22.000 but a Jew could go anywhere because whether he's in Germany, France, Italy, or London, he's still a Jew.

03:51:26.000 So the Rothschild banking family in the 19th century sent their sons to every one of the major European capitals.

03:51:35.000 And it was that Because they had the better intel network, because they had a truly transnational network of people because of their statelessness, because they're diasporic, because they're transnational.

03:52:05.000 Are you understanding?

03:52:06.000 That's why they're good at banking.

03:52:08.000 That's why they're good at trade. 0.62

03:52:10.000 That's why they're good at lobbying. 0.99

03:52:11.000 That's why they're good at spying. 0.73

03:52:13.000 Because they're a transnational entity.

03:52:16.000 Before Israel was even created.

03:52:18.000 And now that Israel's created, that's just their home base. 0.93

03:52:22.000 Now that Israel's been created, that just gives them land to conduct their activities. 0.90

03:52:27.000 They built a state.

03:52:28.000 With nuclear bombs and a military, a security apparatus, the ability to tax, the ability to trade, to build infrastructure, that's just their home base.

03:52:38.000 But they still maintain those connections everywhere, and that's what gives them an advantage.

03:52:44.000 And so it's like playing a team game, but you have people from the other team wearing your jersey.

03:52:53.000 You know, if Europe, if Rome and Christendom, if we're playing against Israel in a football game or a soccer game or a baseball game, and we are only playing on our team, we're wearing the red jersey, they're wearing the blue jersey, some of them are wearing our jersey, and they're kicking our players, they're knocking over the water bowl or the water bucket, they're sabotaging our team, they're kicking the ball in our own goal. 0.79

03:53:21.000 They change their name.

03:53:22.000 They change their uniform.

03:53:24.000 They look like they're playing for our team, but they're really playing for the other team.

03:53:27.000 That's what gives them an advantage.

03:53:29.000 That's what's always given them an advantage in those domains.

03:53:32.000 That is the essence.

03:53:34.000 When you talk about the Jewish question or the Jewish issue, that's the essence of it. 0.62

03:53:40.000 It is that.

03:53:43.000 And people need to understand that that's at the core of it.

03:53:49.000 As opposed to, oh, you know, it's just Israel.

03:53:51.000 Oh, it's that, you know, Netanyahu is a bad guy.

03:53:54.000 It's like, no.

03:53:55.000 They've been running this game on us for hundreds of years, and that's how they've been able to do it.

03:53:59.000 In Obama's second term.

03:54:01.000 And I actually saw AIPAC be badly wounded in a way they never came back from.

03:54:05.000 And the second term is when Obama did the Iran nuclear deal.

03:54:08.000 And the Iran nuclear deal, I think, was catastrophic.

03:54:11.000 And AIPAC went all in lobbying against it.

03:54:13.000 Yeah.

03:54:15.000 They failed.

03:54:16.000 And I was the leading opponent of the Iran nuclear deal.

03:54:17.000 Oh, I know.

03:54:17.000 They definitely failed, yes.

03:54:19.000 They failed.

03:54:19.000 And what happened, the Obama White House told every Democrat.

03:54:22.000 When I got here, there used to be real bipartisan support for Israel.

03:54:26.000 That has largely disappeared.

03:54:27.000 And it's the Obama nuclear deal that caused it, because the Obama White House told every Democrat, pick.

03:54:32.000 You either stand with Israel, or you're a Democrat and you stand with the Obama White House.

03:54:35.000 and almost every single Democrat member of Congress said, I'm a Democrat first, to hell with Israel.

03:54:39.000 And then I watched as AIPAC...

03:54:44.000 And it dramatically reduced AIPAC's influence.

03:54:47.000 I agree.

03:54:48.000 I watched it happen.

03:54:49.000 And by the way, I told AIPAC, I said, look, the analogy, if the NRA was supporting a bunch of politicians and cared about the Second Amendment, and you had politicians that vote to confiscate people's guns, and the NRA turned around and raised money for the people who voted to confiscate guns?

03:55:02.000 You know what?

03:55:02.000 No one would ever care what they said again.

03:55:04.000 Sue, you're making the case that AIPAC is not as powerful as people say it is, and I completely agree with you.

03:55:07.000 I've watched that, and I'm not making the case that AIPAC is all-powerful and they're running everything and putting fluoride in the water.

03:55:12.000 I'm not making the case at all, because it's not true.

03:55:14.000 I'm only trying to get to the question of what AIPAC is, and I don't think you're making sense.

03:55:16.000 I love that, oh, they're putting fluoride in the water.

03:55:19.000 I don't like that.

03:55:20.000 I don't like that little diss.

03:55:23.000 Is anyone saying they're putting fluoride in the water?

03:55:25.000 I'm not aware of that.

03:55:27.000 I really don't like when people say, oh, you know, there's some people that blame Jews for everything, like if they slipped on a banana peel.

03:55:34.000 I don't think anyone's saying that.

03:55:36.000 I think people are saying that they're very powerful.

03:55:39.000 And Tucker, up until two years ago, or even a year ago, never said anything about AIPAC.

03:55:43.000 This is brand new.

03:55:45.000 Find me a video where Tucker is criticizing Israel this intensely prior to 2024.

03:55:51.000 You can't do it.

03:55:53.000 Now he wants to draw the line and say, oh, well, you know, I'm moderately criticizing AIPAC.

03:55:57.000 All those other people are crazy.

03:55:59.000 I don't like that.

03:56:00.000 You know, Tucker has been in the CIA.

03:56:02.000 His dad's in the CIA.

03:56:04.000 He didn't know about Israel.

03:56:05.000 I don't believe that.

03:56:06.000 Of course he knows about Israel.

03:56:07.000 He omitted that from all of his journalism and all of his punditry for 25 years, literally until last year.

03:56:16.000 He started his journalistic career in the mid-90s, and he's been a journalist ever since.

03:56:23.000 On CNN, on MSNBC, on Fox News, in Arkansas, in various places.

03:56:28.000 And he has never said anything about Israel until last year.

03:56:33.000 And he should know better because, like he said, his relatives, people he's related to, were involved in the CIA, bringing down the Soviet Union, involved in foreign lobbies.

03:56:44.000 So you can't plead the fifth.

03:56:46.000 You can't plead ignorance.

03:56:47.000 He knew what was going on.

03:56:49.000 And yet, not until last year did he say one thing.

03:56:51.000 Now he wants to say, oh, well, you know, I'm not saying they put fluoride in the water.

03:56:55.000 I don't know who's saying that.

03:56:56.000 But some people have been on this for a lot longer, and, you know, Tucker was never really on their side.

03:57:01.000 So, sort of interesting.

03:57:03.000 straightforward about it.

03:57:03.000 AIPAC is lobbying on behalf of AIPAC.

03:57:06.000 Someone says, when Nicholas calls them diasporic, he means they are nomadic.

03:57:09.000 No fucktard. 1.00

03:57:10.000 I mean, they're diaspora people.

03:57:14.000 Nomadic means they move to different places.

03:57:15.000 Diasporic means...

03:57:19.000 They're in a diaspora.

03:57:20.000 They were sent out of Israel in the second century after the third Jewish rebellion, and they're in the Jewish diaspora or diaspora.

03:57:27.000 In Europe, in the United States, they're not nomadic.

03:57:30.000 Many of them stay in one place for a long period of time.

03:57:33.000 What makes them diasporic is that they don't have a homeland or didn't have a homeland until 1948 and shortly before that when they started populating Israel. 0.68

03:57:44.000 So, no, I don't mean nomadic.

03:57:46.000 They're not like gypsies. 1.00

03:57:47.000 The problem is not that they pick up.

03:57:48.000 Many of them live in New York and Miami and L.A. for a long period of time, and many of them live in London for a long period of time.

03:57:54.000 The problem is that because they're stateless, they're all over the place.

03:57:58.000 They're across borders.

03:58:00.000 They're a transnational nation.

03:58:03.000 They have a transnational nationality.

03:58:05.000 So no, I don't mean that, dummy.

03:58:07.000 Half of the interests of a foreign country and they're not registered.

03:58:09.000 And you're saying, no, that's not true.

03:58:10.000 You're saying that they don't coordinate with the Israeli government.

03:58:12.000 I coordinate.

03:58:13.000 Do they talk with them?

03:58:14.000 I don't know what they do.

03:58:16.000 But why don't you care?

03:58:17.000 Isn't it meaningful if a foreign government...

03:58:20.000 Of course you do.

03:58:21.000 But the law is, and a lot of people have been prosecuted under this law, that if you are lobbying on behalf of a foreign government, you must register.

03:58:27.000 That's it.

03:58:27.000 It's really simple and I don't know why if I'm working from Malaysia or Qatar or Belgium, I have to register under the Foreign Agent Registration Act, and if I don't, I can go to jail.

03:58:40.000 People have gone to jail, including people I know.

03:58:42.000 So I don't understand why we don't just be honest and say they're lobbying on behalf of foreign government, they're coordinating with the government.

03:58:47.000 You know that that's true?

03:58:48.000 That is not only not true, that is false.

03:58:51.000 They're not coordinating with the Israeli government?

03:58:52.000 Do you know how AIPAC raises money?

03:58:55.000 For elected officials, like what they do, like what the actual mechanics is?

03:58:58.000 I mean, they go to people who are sympathetic to Israel and raise money and then send it to candidates who agree with them.

03:59:02.000 So what they'll do is, so in my last election, APAC endorsed me.

03:59:05.000 And they'll host a fundraiser.

03:59:06.000 They'll host a fundraiser in Dallas or Houston or Atlanta or New York or L.A. And they'll do a fundraiser and they'll get someone who'll host it.

03:59:12.000 And it's usually a business owner, lawyer, doctor, someone who hosts it.

03:59:15.000 And you'll get typically at an APAC fundraiser.

03:59:17.000 30, 40, 50, maybe 100 people who live in that city who care about a strong U.S.-Israel relationship.

03:59:23.000 And if they have 50 people, each of them writes $1,000 check, and you raise $50,000.

03:59:27.000 I've been to an APEC fundraiser.

03:59:28.000 I know what it looks like.

03:59:30.000 And by the way, there's no representative of the Israeli government there.

03:59:33.000 You have when you're in Dallas, you're meeting.

03:59:36.000 I know all this.

03:59:37.000 I know all this.

03:59:37.000 The question is, are APEC's goals shaped by the goals of the Israeli government to any extent?

03:59:42.000 Okay, that's different from lobbying on behalf of.

03:59:44.000 It's a simple question.

03:59:45.000 What?

03:59:46.000 How is that different?

03:59:47.000 Are AIPAC's goals shaped by the goals of the Israeli government?

03:59:49.000 And I'm just going to ask you a question straightforwardly.

03:59:51.000 And if you say no, I think we both know that's not true.

03:59:53.000 Are they shaped by?

03:59:54.000 Are they coordinating with the Israeli government?

03:59:56.000 Are they talking with them?

03:59:58.000 Yes, Israel directing them. 0.69

03:59:59.000 You want to talk about Farah, the law on lobbying on behalf of someone?

04:00:02.000 It is, I hire you and you lobby on behalf of me.

04:00:05.000 I direct you.

04:00:05.000 Does Israel direct AIPAC?

04:00:06.000 No, they're not lobbying on behalf of them.

04:00:08.000 Do they care about them?

04:00:09.000 Yes, but do you think that it's just That is absolutely insane that he would even sit there and try and make that distinction.

04:00:19.000 Of course, AIPAC.

04:00:21.000 AIPAC is one of the largest lobbying groups on behalf of Israel.

04:00:24.000 They're not coordinating.

04:00:25.000 First of all, we know they are because of where they come from and revelations that have come out since then.

04:00:32.000 To even suggest that and to adamantly say, no, no, that's absolutely false.

04:00:36.000 It's just so insane.

04:00:37.000 Does anybody really believe that?

04:00:39.000 I don't know how somebody could even say that with a straight face.

04:00:42.000 Because what you're now describing in a very defensive way, I will say, is foreign influence over our politics.

04:00:47.000 No.

04:00:47.000 And you began, and it's so transparently obvious to everybody.

04:00:50.000 I don't know why you'd be embarrassed of it.

04:00:51.000 You said that you are sincerely for Israel.

04:00:52.000 I believe you.

04:00:53.000 I don't think you have some weird agenda.

04:00:54.000 You seem to be sincere.

04:00:56.000 By the way, Tucker, it's a very weird thing.

04:00:59.000 The obsession with Israel.

04:01:01.000 When we're talking about foreign countries, you're not talking about Chinese. 0.57

04:01:03.000 You're not talking about Japanese. 0.76

04:01:04.000 You're not talking about the British.

04:01:05.000 You're not talking about the French.

04:01:05.000 And then you get this diversion.

04:01:08.000 Then, when the conversation isn't going the way they like, then you get this diversion.

04:01:12.000 Oh, well, you're just obsessed with Israel.

04:01:13.000 What about the Jews?

04:01:14.000 What about the Jews?

04:01:15.000 And then it turns into a Jew thing. 0.92

04:01:17.000 What about the Jews?

04:01:18.000 Senator, you're asking the question, Tucker.

04:01:20.000 You're asking, why are the Jews controlling our foreign policy? 1.00

04:01:23.000 That's what you just asked.

04:01:24.000 I am hardly saying that.

04:01:25.000 That is exactly what you just said.

04:01:26.000 Well, actually I can speak for myself and tell you what I am saying.

04:01:29.000 On behalf, not simply of myself, but on my many Jewish friends who would have the same questions, which is to what extent, and I, I did not.

04:01:37.000 Of course you are.

04:01:38.000 And rather than be honorable enough to say it right to my face, you are in a sleazy, feline way implying it or just asking questions about the Jews.

04:01:44.000 I'm not asking questions about the Jews.

04:01:48.000 It has to do with a foreign government.

04:01:50.000 Isn't Israel controlling our foreign policy?

04:01:51.000 That's not about the Jews.

04:01:52.000 You said, I'm asking you.

04:01:53.000 And by the way, you're the one that just called me, I think, a sleazy feline.

04:01:55.000 So let's be clear.

04:01:56.000 It's sleazy to imply that I'm an anti-Semite, which you just did.

04:01:59.000 No, I just said, why is that the only question you're asking?

04:02:01.000 You answer it.

04:02:01.000 Give me another reason.

04:02:02.000 If you're not an anti-Semite, give me another reason why the obsession is Israel. 0.89

04:02:06.000 Did you hear this?

04:02:09.000 Look at this rat.

04:02:10.000 Look at this cornered rat.

04:02:13.000 You take money from a foreign lobby.

04:02:15.000 You say you don't know what the Israel lobby lobbies for.

04:02:19.000 Israel, obviously.

04:02:21.000 He's cornered.

04:02:22.000 You don't think they coordinate with the Israeli government?

04:02:24.000 They're not lobbying on behalf of Israel?

04:02:27.000 And he turns it around and says, you're saying the Jews control our foreign policy.

04:02:31.000 Why would you say that unless you're an anti-Semite?

04:02:35.000 Look at how defensive.

04:02:37.000 Look at how irrational.

04:02:38.000 Look at how worked up he gets.

04:02:40.000 And starts flying.

04:02:42.000 You're saying the Jews control our foreign policy?

04:02:44.000 This is what we've been dealing with.

04:02:47.000 Do you know how insane that sounds?

04:02:49.000 Do you know how insane that is?

04:02:52.000 And these are the maniacs that have been running our society for a hundred years.

04:02:58.000 Do you know how powerful these maniacs are?

04:03:01.000 By the way, this is Ari Emanuel.

04:03:04.000 This is Jonathan Greenblatt.

04:03:06.000 This is Sheldon Adelson.

04:03:08.000 This is the ADL.

04:03:10.000 This is AIPAC.

04:03:11.000 These are the biggest producers in the music industry, the biggest directors in Hollywood, the biggest billionaires on Wall Street.

04:03:20.000 This is Ronald Lauder.

04:03:22.000 This is Bill Ackman.

04:03:23.000 This is Larry Fink.

04:03:25.000 These are the people that run the talent agencies for all the stars.

04:03:29.000 These are the people that run the Federal Reserve up until 2018 or 2019.

04:03:37.000 They're exactly like this.

04:03:40.000 When AIPAC hosts a fundraiser with 100 doctors, lawyers, businessmen that are going to cut a big check to support Israel in every major city in Dallas and D.C. and New York and L.A., the people that are running our society, they're all like this.

04:03:56.000 They all act like this.

04:03:57.000 If you would go to L.A. and meet with any of the big producers, the big directors, the big talent agents, this is how they would sound.

04:04:05.000 What are you, an anti-Semite?

04:04:07.000 What are you, a rabid anti-Semite?

04:04:08.000 You think the Jews control our foreign policy? 0.99

04:04:10.000 That's an anti-Semitic trope, and you sound like a Jew hater.

04:04:14.000 You're with the Democrats.

04:04:15.000 You're with Iran. 0.97

04:04:16.000 You're with the terrorists.

04:04:17.000 That is what they would say.

04:04:19.000 If you went to New York and you met with Larry Fink of BlackRock, the largest asset manager in the world.

04:04:25.000 If you met with Bill Ackman, Harvard alum, head of Apollo.

04:04:29.000 And you said what Tucker is saying.

04:04:31.000 They would say the same thing.

04:04:32.000 They'd say, you're like a Hitler, you're like a Nazi, you're like a Hitler, and you don't care about the Holocaust.

04:04:37.000 They would say the same thing.

04:04:40.000 So, you know, when you think about it, when you watch this interview, there's something amusing about it.

04:04:46.000 It's sort of amusing when you see Ted Cruz, who's a Gentile, and you see him get defensive when he's cornered and you see him make these like ridiculous. 1.00

04:05:02.000 I mean, it sounds insane.

04:05:04.000 It sounds like a histrionic, pathologically paranoid, insane person.

04:05:09.000 It sounds like a cult.

04:05:11.000 When he turns it around and says, the Israel lobby lobbies on behalf of Israel?

04:05:17.000 False.

04:05:17.000 False, and you're an anti-Semite for saying it.

04:05:20.000 It sounds like they're a maniac in a cult.

04:05:24.000 And yet, all of the powerful people in our country believe that and are like that.

04:05:32.000 And they are absolutely powerful.

04:05:35.000 Billionaires, hedge fund managers, asset managers, talent agents, producers, directors, politicians and billionaires, mayors of major cities, governors of major states.

04:05:47.000 And they all believe that.

04:05:48.000 And if...

04:05:57.000 They will utterly destroy you.

04:06:00.000 They lash out.

04:06:06.000 Oh, well, what is the expression?

04:06:08.000 They cry out as they strike you.

04:06:11.000 And that's exactly what happened to Kanye West.

04:06:14.000 That's exactly what happened to Ye three years ago when Ye started to say, I think Jared Kushner's just with Israel.

04:06:22.000 I think Jews invented cancel culture. 1.00

04:06:24.000 That's exactly what they did to him.

04:06:26.000 Ari Emanuel pulled his contract, got him canceled.

04:06:30.000 They got Adidas to drop him.

04:06:33.000 He lost multiple, multi-billion dollar deals.

04:06:36.000 His agent dropped him.

04:06:38.000 Adidas froze his money.

04:06:39.000 Apple Music froze his money.

04:06:41.000 JP Morgan froze his bank accounts.

04:06:43.000 They banned him on Instagram.

04:06:45.000 They banned him on Twitter.

04:06:48.000 This is a cultural icon, a billionaire, one of the most recognizable people in this century.

04:06:55.000 And they reduced him to a hotel room.

04:06:58.000 He couldn't even find a lawyer at one time with his wife and with a small team overnight because he criticized them.

04:07:08.000 They cried out as they struck him.

04:07:10.000 Oy vey, it's another Holocaust. 0.97

04:07:12.000 He's an anti-Semite.

04:07:14.000 While they ruined his life.

04:07:16.000 These are the people running our society.

04:07:18.000 Are you beginning to understand our predicament?

04:07:21.000 This is who's running the Trump administration.

04:07:23.000 This is who is running the Biden administration.

04:07:26.000 So, you know, if this sounds insane, if Ted Cruz sounds like an insane maniac, understand that is the disposition of some of the most powerful people in America and in the world, and they will hurt you.

04:07:38.000 They will hurt you.

04:07:40.000 If you ask questions like Tucker is asking.

04:07:42.000 So you think it's funny, it's almost amusing, but it's not a game.

04:07:46.000 This is what they do until they extract an apology and a book report from a Holocaust museum and a donation. 0.56

04:07:56.000 It's insane.

04:07:57.000 That's our country.

04:07:58.000 And once you see it, you can't unsee it.

04:07:59.000 I'm in no sense obsessed with Israel.

04:08:01.000 We are on the brink of war with Iran, and so these are valid questions. 0.86

04:08:04.000 If I can finish, you asked me.

04:08:08.000 Why I'm obsessed with Israel.

04:08:10.000 Three minutes after telling me that when you first ran for Congress, you elucidated one of your main goals, which is to defend Israel.

04:08:15.000 And I'm the one who's obsessed with Israel.

04:08:17.000 I don't see a lawmaker's job as defending the interests of a foreign government, period.

04:08:20.000 Any government, including the ones that my ancestors come from.

04:08:22.000 So that's my position.

04:08:23.000 That does not make me an anti-Semite.

04:08:24.000 And shame on you for suggesting otherwise, and I mean that.

04:08:27.000 And that's low, and you know it's low.

04:08:28.000 So why don't you just answer my questions in a straightforward, rational way.

04:08:30.000 You certainly have the IQ to do it.

04:08:32.000 Shame on you is cute, by the way, Tucker.

04:08:34.000 It is.

04:08:34.000 It's not cute.

04:08:35.000 I'm offended.

04:08:35.000 I'm obsessed with the Jews.

04:08:37.000 You just called me a sleazy feline.

04:08:39.000 It is sleazy to imply that I'm an anti-Semite for asking questions about how my government is wrong.

04:08:43.000 Do you want to count how many questions you asked about?

04:08:45.000 What about the Jews?

04:08:45.000 What about Israel?

04:08:46.000 What about Iraq?

04:08:46.000 I never asked about the Jews.

04:08:48.000 This has nothing to do with the Jews, whatever that means.

04:08:51.000 This has to do with a foreign government.

04:08:52.000 And once again, shame on you for conflating the two.

04:08:55.000 They have nothing to do with each other.

04:08:57.000 the Israel and Jews have nothing to do with each other.

04:08:59.000 All Jews are an attack on all Jews, which I am not, nor would I... 0.95

04:09:06.000 And this is where, you know, fine, if Tucker is like, you know, and people say, well, you know, he's got to be incremental about it.

04:09:13.000 But obviously, it has everything to do with the Jews.

04:09:17.000 I mean, not to be that guy, but...

04:09:32.000 And that has everything to do with why they have this outsized influence.

04:09:35.000 It has everything to do with why they have effective spying.

04:09:37.000 Of course it does.

04:09:39.000 The reason they created Israel was it's inherently connected to Judaism.

04:09:42.000 Why did they put the state of Israel in Palestine?

04:09:46.000 Because of their Jewishness. 0.99

04:09:48.000 They didn't set up Israel in Australia like they talked about, or Zimbabwe or Uruguay, or in Eastern Russia, the Russian Far East.

04:09:58.000 They put it in Palestine because of their Jewishness.

04:10:02.000 And the reason they needed to create a nation was in response to anti-Semitism because of their Jewishness.

04:10:08.000 So, of course, it has everything to do with that.

04:10:10.000 And, you know, maybe Tucker doesn't want to go there for one reason or another, but I'm not Tucker.

04:10:18.000 And, you know, I know what I'm about.

04:10:20.000 And I will tell you, you know, like Ted Cruz said, oh, Israel has nothing to do with the Jews.

04:10:25.000 Now who's being, now who's in denial?

04:10:28.000 And, you know, it's sort of funny how on both sides, even though Tucker is really pressing and I appreciate that, he's still a part of the same matrix.

04:10:37.000 You understand?

04:10:38.000 Now Tucker's the one that sounds crazy.

04:10:40.000 Israel has nothing to do with the Jews.

04:10:43.000 Really?

04:10:43.000 Israel has nothing to do?

04:10:45.000 What is Israel then?

04:10:47.000 What is it?

04:10:48.000 Well, it's a foreign government.

04:10:50.000 Okay, but of who?

04:10:53.000 That's like saying Russia has nothing to do with the Russians, or China has nothing to do with the Chinese.

04:10:58.000 France has nothing to do with the French.

04:11:00.000 Israel has nothing to do with the Jews or Judaism.

04:11:03.000 The Vatican has nothing to do with Catholicism?

04:11:06.000 Of course it does!

04:11:08.000 Why is the Vatican in Rome?

04:11:12.000 Like, why is Israel in Palestine? 0.73

04:11:14.000 Because it descends from ancient Israel.

04:11:17.000 So, now who sounds crazy, you know?

04:11:20.000 And again, maybe Tucker is denying that for tactical reasons, ideological reasons, who knows?

04:11:28.000 But we can speculate on that.

04:11:30.000 I have my theory.

04:11:32.000 But understand how this topic makes everybody sounds crazy.

04:11:37.000 Isn't that interesting?

04:11:38.000 That me, the guy that is the furthest on the fringe, you know, people would say that I am the most out there critic of Israel and the Jews.

04:11:50.000 And yet, I'm the only one that sounds sane on this issue.

04:11:54.000 I would contend.

04:11:55.000 I think that if you sat me down with Ted Cruz or Tucker Carlson or Dave Smith or any of them, I think I would sound the most rational and the most logical and have the most facts.

04:12:07.000 And maybe that sounds hard to believe.

04:12:09.000 Maybe you find that hard to believe.

04:12:10.000 But in this case, here, you know, this subject is making fools of them both.

04:12:15.000 Ted Cruz has to say, I don't know what the Israel lobbies for.

04:12:19.000 And Tucker Carlson has to say, Israel has nothing to do with the Jews at all.

04:12:24.000 It's a completely different subject.

04:12:26.000 Obviously, both of those things are inherent contradictions.

04:12:28.000 And this topic makes fools out of everybody because everybody is – They're afraid of being called anti-Semitic, being canceled, being perceived a particular way, and that speaks to their influence and their power, even over somebody that ostensibly is a critic.

04:12:54.000 So anyway, I just find that interesting because I saw this part and I was like, wait a second.

04:13:00.000 The Jews have nothing to do with Israel. 0.87

04:13:03.000 And that's not being nitpicky because, again, I'm not trying to be picky here and say, oh, well, you know, I'm the true Scotsman or something.

04:13:12.000 I'm the only one that's pure.

04:13:14.000 Like I have illustrated before, it is their Jewishness which is really at the heart.

04:13:21.000 I mean, that is the defining characteristic, which is why they are so effective at lobbying.

04:13:26.000 You want to talk about the Israel lobby?

04:13:28.000 Why are they technically American? 0.52

04:13:31.000 Why is it particularly effective?

04:13:33.000 It's because of their Jewishness. 0.93

04:13:35.000 That's the characteristic that makes it effective.

04:13:38.000 And the same goes, by the way, for the spying.

04:13:42.000 Why are they good spies?

04:13:43.000 Because they're ethnically Jewish.

04:13:45.000 They're in the security apparatus.

04:13:47.000 They feed information to Israel. 0.57

04:13:49.000 And if you criticize that or try to stuff that out, they say it's anti-Semitism.

04:13:54.000 Why is that such a potent critique?

04:13:56.000 Because of the Holocaust. 0.94

04:13:57.000 Why is the Holocaust unique? 0.98

04:13:58.000 Because of the Jews. 1.00

04:13:59.000 So it does kind of have everything to do with that.

04:14:03.000 But nobody wants to go there because that's perceived as extreme or too out there.

04:14:07.000 But the farther out you go, the closer you get actually to a logical position.

04:14:12.000 And by the way, Jews wouldn't disagree. 1.00

04:14:15.000 They just brag about it instead.

04:14:17.000 I criticize that they brag about it.

04:14:19.000 Jews will freely admit this.

04:14:22.000 Beaming with pride.

04:14:24.000 But if you have a problem with it, well, then you're a conspiracy theorist and an anti-Semite, right? 0.66

04:14:30.000 I mean, that's also the dynamic.

04:14:32.000 ...ever be undertaken now.

04:14:35.000 By the way, that's who Iran wants to kill, is all the Jews and all the Americans. 0.98

04:14:38.000 And I'm totally opposed to that, okay?

04:14:40.000 But now because specific decisions need to be made.

04:14:43.000 We can talk about those decisions.

04:14:45.000 But I just want to get a sense of whether you think, having described yourself as an America first person whose only criterion for judgment on foreign policy is America's national interest, to what extent you're influenced by a foreign government, which gives you a lot of money through its lobby, and you're claiming this has nothing to do with the foreign government.

04:14:57.000 They're not courted, and yes, they're spying on us, but it doesn't bother you.

04:15:00.000 And I'm sort of wondering, like, what is this?

04:15:01.000 This is one of the weirdest conversations I've ever had.

04:15:03.000 I'll tell you what, and I'll answer any question you like, but let's try to read it.

04:15:07.000 Let's try to ratchet down the temperature a little.

04:15:08.000 You're the one who went to motive.

04:15:09.000 I'm asking honest questions.

04:15:11.000 Just asking questions.

04:15:12.000 Yes, that is what I'm doing.

04:15:14.000 Let's try to ratchet down the temperature a little bit.

04:15:16.000 Picture the house of your dreams.

04:15:18.000 Maybe it's got an outdoor.

04:15:20.000 Wireless.

04:15:21.000 Great movie.

04:15:21.000 It's actually a fun comedy about politics.

04:15:23.000 And Eddie Murphy in the movie is a con man who gets elected to Congress.

04:15:26.000 And he's literally a con man who the congressman dies.

04:15:29.000 He has the same name.

04:15:30.000 And so he runs and they get elected.

04:15:31.000 And there's a scene in the movie where Eddie Murphy is a freshman member of Congress.

04:15:34.000 And he's sitting down with a sleazy lobbyist.

04:15:36.000 And he's asking the lobbyist, all right, what should my positions be on?

04:15:40.000 I think they were talking about power plants and electrical transmission lines.

04:15:44.000 And the lobbyist is like, well, what do you believe?

04:15:46.000 And Eddie Murphy's comment said, I don't care.

04:15:48.000 Whatever gets me the most money.

04:15:49.000 I'll do whatever gets me the most money.

04:15:50.000 And the lobbyist says, no, no.

04:15:51.000 Pick a side.

04:15:52.000 Doesn't matter what you pick.

04:15:53.000 If you pick one side, we'll go shake down everyone who supports that side and they'll give you money.

04:15:56.000 If you pick the other side, that's fine.

04:15:57.000 We'll just go to the other side and shake down that.

04:15:59.000 That's a little bit the way it works, and you often get – And that actually is backwards.

04:16:09.000 I believe in the Second Amendment because I believe in the Constitution.

04:16:12.000 Now, am I proud that the NRA supports me?

04:16:13.000 Sure, because people who care about the Second Amendment want to support leaders who fight for it.

04:16:16.000 But it gets it backward.

04:16:17.000 Look, AIPAC, when I ran for the Senate, AIPAC didn't support me.

04:16:20.000 I supported Israel before they supported me. 0.52

04:16:22.000 I'm happy to have their support because they share my objective.

04:16:25.000 No, but you're missing it.

04:16:25.000 I'm not suggesting that you're bought and paid for.

04:16:27.000 I'm not saying that.

04:16:27.000 I think your views are sincere.

04:16:29.000 I want to go back and take the transcript because you just said a minute ago, are you, I'm slightly paraphrasing, but are you lobbying for a foreign government because they pay you a lot of money?

04:16:37.000 That's basically what you said.

04:16:38.000 So you are suggesting that.

04:16:39.000 Let me just be clear about what I think.

04:16:40.000 Your views seem totally sincere.

04:16:41.000 Yes.

04:16:42.000 You take money from people who agree with you.

04:16:44.000 Yeah.

04:16:44.000 I believe that.

04:16:45.000 I'm only trying to get to the question.

04:16:50.000 To what extent is the U.S. government influenced by other governments?

04:16:53.000 And it's a lot.

04:16:53.000 It's hardly just Israel.

04:16:55.000 It's hardly just Israel.

04:16:56.000 I don't think Israel's the main one.

04:16:57.000 There are lots of governments.

04:16:57.000 China is a massive influence on this city.

04:16:59.000 And it's a huge role.

04:17:00.000 As you know, I couldn't agree more.

04:17:01.000 And there are lots of others.

04:17:02.000 The U.K., which is a truly sinister place, in my opinion, as an ethnic Brit, I can say.

04:17:06.000 I think that's my view.

04:17:07.000 Maybe you disagree.

04:17:08.000 I think they're on the wrong path.

04:17:09.000 I love the Brits, but their government has gone all the way.

04:17:11.000 Without even getting into that.

04:17:12.000 I'm just saying, I don't think Israel's the only one. 0.84

04:17:14.000 But it's the only one where you're instantly called an anti-Semite for asking questions.

04:17:17.000 And it's also the only government that no one will ever criticize.

04:17:19.000 People criticize Israel every minute of every day.

04:17:22.000 Like, the only government that people will not criticize?

04:17:24.000 Rashida Tlaib just tweeted out calling Benjamin Netanyahu a war criminal.

04:17:28.000 Rashida Tlaib?

04:17:29.000 You said no one will criticize.

04:17:31.000 I'm talking about Republicans that I would vote for, including you.

04:17:34.000 And I'm saying, you know, whatever.

04:17:36.000 I don't even like talking about Israel.

04:17:37.000 What I care about, I never do, because it's not worth being called anti-Semites from impact recipients.

04:17:43.000 But now we are on the verge of joining a war, and...

04:17:50.000 All right, so, and let's get into Iran momentarily, but you suggested it was a strange thing that I said a minute ago that when I came into the Senate, I resolved that I was going to be the leading defender of Israel.

04:17:59.000 And what you didn't ask is why, so let me tell you why.

04:18:01.000 No, you said I was obsessed with Israel, and you had just told me that, like, your driving motive to get to the Senate was to defend Israel.

04:18:06.000 I'm like, I don't think I'm the one who's obsessed with Israel!

04:18:08.000 Okay, so, Tucker, words matter.

04:18:12.000 And you know that.

04:18:13.000 I said I resolved to be the leading defender of Israel, and you said your driving motive, the reason you're in the Senate.

04:18:18.000 If you want to be the leading defender of Israel, I would think if I ran for Senate, I'd be like, there are people dying of drug odies on the street.

04:18:22.000 My driving motive is to fight for Texas and America and to fight for jobs and to fight for the Constitution.

04:18:27.000 And you played a very, very careful word game of a lie to you.

04:18:30.000 You're the one who said it, not me.

04:18:31.000 So you still haven't asked why, but I'm going to tell you why.

04:18:34.000 Okay.

04:18:35.000 And the reason is twofold.

04:18:36.000 Number one, as a Christian, growing up in Sunday school, I was taught from the Bible.

04:18:41.000 Those who bless Israel will be blessed, and those who curse Israel will be cursed.

04:18:44.000 And from my perspective, I want to be on the blessing side of things.

04:18:47.000 Those who bless the government of Israel?

04:18:49.000 Those who bless Israel is what it says.

04:18:50.000 It doesn't say the government of it, it says the nation of Israel.

04:18:52.000 So that's in the Bible.

04:18:53.000 As a Christian, I believe that.

04:18:55.000 Where is that?

04:18:55.000 I can find it to you.

04:18:56.000 I don't have the scripture off the tip of mine.

04:18:58.000 You pull out the phone and use it.

04:19:00.000 It's in Genesis.

04:19:01.000 So you're quoting a Bible phrase.

04:19:03.000 You don't have context for it.

04:19:04.000 You don't know where in the Bible it is, but that's like your theology?

04:19:06.000 I'm confused.

04:19:07.000 What does that even mean?

04:19:08.000 Tucker.

04:19:09.000 I'm a Christian.

04:19:10.000 I want to know what you're talking about.

04:19:11.000 Where does my support for Israel come from?

04:19:14.000 Number one, because biblically we are commanded to support Israel.

04:19:17.000 But number two.

04:19:19.000 You're a senator, and now you're throwing out theology, and I am a Christian, and I am allowed to weigh in on this.

04:19:23.000 We are commanded as Christians to support the government of Israel?

04:19:25.000 We are commanded to support Israel.

04:19:26.000 What does that mean, Israel?

04:19:27.000 We're told those who bless Israel will be blessed.

04:19:29.000 Hold on.

04:19:29.000 Define Israel.

04:19:30.000 This is important.

04:19:30.000 Are you kidding?

04:19:31.000 This is a majority Christian country.

04:19:32.000 Define Israel?

04:19:33.000 Do you not know what Israel is?

04:19:34.000 That would be the country of Africa. 0.94

04:19:37.000 So that's what Genesis, that's what God is talking about?

04:19:40.000 The nation of Israel, yes.

04:19:41.000 So is that the current borders, the current leadership?

04:19:43.000 He's talking about the political entity called Israel?

04:19:44.000 He's talking about the nation of Israel.

04:19:45.000 Yeah, nations exist, and he's discussing a nation.

04:19:47.000 A nation was the people of Israel.

04:19:48.000 Is the nation God's referring to in Genesis, is that the same as the country run by Benjamin Netanyahu right now?

04:19:53.000 Yes.

04:19:54.000 Yes.

04:19:54.000 It is.

04:19:54.000 And by the way, it's not run by Benjamin Netanyahu as a dictator.

04:19:56.000 It's a democratic country that elected...

04:19:58.000 He's the prime minister.

04:20:00.000 What?

04:20:00.000 But just like, you know, America is the country run by Donald Trump.

04:20:03.000 No, actually, the American people elected Donald Trump.

04:20:05.000 The same principle.

04:20:05.000 This is silly.

04:20:06.000 I'm talking about the political entity of modern Israel.

04:20:08.000 Do you believe that's what God was talking about in Genesis?

04:20:11.000 I do.

04:20:12.000 That country's existed since when?

04:20:14.000 For thousands of years.

04:20:15.000 Now, there was a time when it didn't exist and then it was recreated just over 70 years ago.

04:20:18.000 But I'm saying, I think most people understand that line in Genesis to refer to the Jewish people, God's chosen people.

04:20:26.000 That's not what it says.

04:20:28.000 Okay, Israel.

04:20:29.000 But you don't even know where in the Bible it is.

04:20:31.000 So I don't remember the scriptural citation.

04:20:34.000 But, okay, I keep...

04:20:37.000 But yes, it's in the earlier part of the book.

04:20:38.000 But the point is All right, Tucky, you keep interrupting me No, it's just important to know what you're talking about.

04:20:48.000 No, I'm not saying that.

04:20:49.000 I'm explaining for me.

04:20:51.000 This is another sort of semantic thing.

04:20:53.000 And it is helpful to point out that a lot of these dispensationalist Christians, evangelical Zionists— There are committed Christians that are pro-Israel that would know the citation, that would be able to explain it, and so on.

04:21:13.000 The reason that I kind of disagree with Tucker here is, isn't it sort of a semantic distinction?

04:21:17.000 Because if you are a dispensationalist Christian, whether Israel is the Jewish nation or the modern state of Israel, once again, there's sort of this farce that the two have nothing to do with each other. 0.82

04:21:29.000 Because what Tucker is sort of implying here when he says, oh, well, Israel is supposed to be the modern state of Israel.

04:21:36.000 It's like, well, the modern state of Israel is a Jewish state.

04:21:41.000 So if you're a Protestant, for example, and you believe that, you know, if you're not a supersessionist and you believe that the Jews still have this role in the history of Revelation and the history of the church and all this.

04:21:53.000 And you believe that we need to bless the Jewish nation.

04:21:56.000 Well, Israel is inseparable from the Jewish nation. 0.91

04:22:00.000 If Israel is the seed of Abraham, if it is a tribe of Judah, which the Jews are the descendants of today, and, you know, they're lost, they didn't follow Jesus, but whether they're in the diaspora or whether they're in the Jewish state of Israel, you know, for them it's sort of a distinction without a difference.

04:22:16.000 He's trying to introduce this artificial distinction between Jews and Israel where one doesn't exist.

04:22:21.000 He said that before.

04:22:22.000 You know, Jews have nothing to do with Israel. 0.93

04:22:24.000 The Israel of the Old Testament has nothing to do with the Israel, the modern state of Israel.

04:22:31.000 Here's my point.

04:22:32.000 The rebuttal to this issue is that, of course, if you're a Christian, there is a New Testament.

04:22:40.000 And the Testament is a covenant.

04:22:42.000 The Old Testament, the New Testament, the Old Covenant, the New Covenant.

04:22:46.000 And they're the covenants that God made with Noah and with Abraham and with Isaac and so on and with Moses.

04:22:52.000 There's a covenant that God made with the Jewish nation and the Jewish kingdom.

04:22:56.000 And then there's a covenant that God made with mankind when Jesus Christ arrived in the New Testament, the New Covenant.

04:23:02.000 And once Jesus Christ arrived, it changed everything.

04:23:06.000 And not only was Israel replaced, not only was the old Israel replaced by the new Israel, that's what my shirt says.

04:23:14.000 The old Israel was the Jewish nation. 0.93

04:23:16.000 The new Israel is the body of the church, the Christians. 0.89

04:23:19.000 But everything was transformed.

04:23:21.000 The old sacrifice of animals was replaced by the sacrifice of the Lamb of God, Jesus.

04:23:27.000 The old temple, which was in Jerusalem in Israel, was replaced with the new temple, which is the church, which is Jesus.

04:23:35.000 The old priestly class was replaced by the new priestly class.

04:23:38.000 The old everything was replaced by the new everything.

04:23:41.000 And that's why the temple was destroyed.

04:23:45.000 The veil was torn.

04:23:47.000 The temple was destroyed.

04:23:48.000 The Jews were scattered.

04:23:50.000 This was all pursuant to what Christ said in the gospel, in the New Testament.

04:23:55.000 Because the two could not go on in parallel.

04:23:59.000 Temple worship and temple sacrifice in the old Jewish nation, representing that old covenant.

04:24:06.000 Could not exist simultaneously parallel with the new covenant, the new temple, the new sacrifice, the new church.

04:24:14.000 One had to be destroyed.

04:24:17.000 And that's why the Roman Empire destroyed the temple in 70 AD.

04:24:20.000 And then in the second century, the Jews were scattered.

04:24:24.000 And that's called supersessionism.

04:24:26.000 And it recognizes that Christ was who he said he was, which was the Messiah for the Jewish people, and then ultimately for all of mankind.

04:24:33.000 What has taken place since Is that the Jewish people, the Pharisees, they were the only survivors. 0.74

04:24:41.000 The Pharisees who rejected Christ, who accused Christ, and who ultimately led to Christ's crucifixion, they were the only group of the Jews that survived after the calamity, which was the destruction of the temple and the Jewish revolts against the Roman Empire that led to them being expelled.

04:25:00.000 And the Pharisees then developed their own distinct religion.

04:25:05.000 With the Talmud and then later on with the Zohar, with the Kabbalah in the Middle Ages in the 12th and 13th century.

04:25:14.000 And that is now a new religion.

04:25:16.000 The Talmud was developed over centuries in the first millennium from the time of the destruction of the temple until the Middle Ages and then was developed by Maimonides and by other Jewish scholars later on.

04:25:29.000 And then there was a mystic tradition which was started with some of these Forgeries, they said they came from, you know, the first century, but really they're created in the 12th century in Spain.

04:25:38.000 And a mystical tradition was created.

04:25:40.000 And then you had Isaac Lurie and other developments off of that.

04:25:44.000 And it represents a truly distinct religion.

04:25:47.000 And so the Judaism in Israel, although it's the same people, they're practicing an altogether different religion, which is only based on the partial revealed word of God, which is the Old Testament. 0.80

04:25:58.000 And anyway, but once again, that gets into the Jewishness of Israel, the Jewishness of the people, trying to introduce this false distinction and say they have nothing to do with each other.

04:26:08.000 The Israel of the Old Testament has absolutely nothing to do with the Israel that is this modern creation. 0.67

04:26:14.000 It just isn't true.

04:26:16.000 So, you know, but it's a very complex topic.

04:26:20.000 I guess I could understand why Tucker doesn't want to get into that, you know, for one reason or another.

04:26:25.000 Again, we could speculate on the why, but – What my motivation is.

04:26:32.000 Okay, so I'm just trying to understand.

04:26:33.000 You said God tells you to support the modern state of Israel in the Bible, in some place in the Bible that you heard about, but you don't know where it is.

04:26:39.000 That's your theology?

04:26:40.000 You're going back.

04:26:41.000 Am I a sleazy feline again?

04:26:43.000 If you accuse me of anti-Semitism again, I will say that, but I don't think you will.

04:26:46.000 Try to be a little less condescending.

04:26:47.000 I'm trying to have a conversation.

04:26:48.000 You're throwing this stuff out, and it's my job to figure out what you're talking about.

04:26:50.000 But I don't understand.

04:26:51.000 But you're not letting me...

04:26:53.000 I'm sorry.

04:26:54.000 I want to be polite.

04:26:56.000 That is for me a personal motivation, but I also, what I was about to say, I don't believe my personal faith, not everyone who I represent is a Christian.

04:27:04.000 It's not an argument for me to give that we should do this because of my faith.

04:27:07.000 And so as an elected official, I don't give that as the reason we should support Israel.

04:27:11.000 That is a personal motivation for me, but I don't think it is the reason we should.

04:27:14.000 The reason that I am the leading defender of Israel is because Israel is our strongest ally in the Middle East, an incredibly troubled part of the world, and supporting Israel benefits America. 0.98

04:27:23.000 The clearest illustration of that is what is happening right now.

04:27:26.000 Let me just make this point.

04:27:27.000 And then I'll just ask what you mean.

04:27:29.000 That's it.

04:27:29.000 Look, Iran, I think the most acute national security threat facing America right now is the threat of a nuclear Iran.

04:27:38.000 I think China is the biggest long-term threat, but acute and near-term is a nuclear Iran. 0.99

04:27:42.000 And I think Israel is doing a massive favor to America right now by trying to take out Iran's nuclear capacity. 0.96

04:27:52.000 We talked before about Iraq.

04:27:53.000 I opposed the Iraq war.

04:27:54.000 We talked about Syria.

04:27:55.000 I opposed military intervention in Syria.

04:27:56.000 The reason for that is those did not pose a threat to the United States.

04:27:59.000 I think Iran is markedly different.

04:28:01.000 Number one, the Ayatollah is a religious zealot.

04:28:04.000 He is a lunatic, but a particularly dangerous kind of lunatic because he's driven by religious fervor.

04:28:09.000 When he says death to America and death to Israel, I believe him. 1.00

04:28:13.000 And I think Iran is trying to get a nuclear weapon because there is a very real possibility they would use a nuclear weapon.

04:28:19.000 So you want to ask, how does supporting Israel benefit us?

04:28:21.000 Right now, this tiny little country, the size of the state of New Jersey, is fighting our enemies for us and taking out their top military leadership and trying to take out their nuclear capacity.

04:28:31.000 That makes America much safer.

04:28:32.000 So the president has said repeatedly Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon and he will do whatever it takes to stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon.

04:28:40.000 He said that like 100 times.

04:28:41.000 He clearly means it.

04:28:42.000 I think he will use force to affect that if he feels he has to.

04:28:44.000 I think he's been really clear about that.

04:28:45.000 I don't know, but it seems that way.

04:28:47.000 Do you feel it?

04:28:48.000 Do you think that's correct?

04:28:49.000 Whether he would use force to stop a nuclear weapon, I think he has put that option on the table.

04:28:53.000 He certainly suggests that.

04:28:53.000 I mean, I have literally no idea what's going to happen.

04:28:55.000 But just reading his statements, he's made that really clear.

04:28:57.000 So what he has been very clear about, and I spoke with the president on Sunday.

04:29:07.000 By the way, this is a sidebar, but I just can't resist.

04:29:09.000 The Prime Minister of Israel said that Iran tried to assassinate Donald Trump twice.

04:29:12.000 Yeah, I read your newsletter this morning and...

04:29:16.000 Again, I think it was sort of a word game.

04:29:18.000 What is true is Iran is trying to assassinate Donald J. Trump and they have hired hit men. 0.91

04:29:22.000 Now you pointed out.

04:29:22.000 No, he said that they tried to have tried twice to kill him.

04:29:25.000 And I don't know that.

04:29:29.000 Why aren't we at war with him already?

04:29:30.000 Okay.

04:29:30.000 And I read your newsletter this morning and I thought it was playing word games to draw a political point.

04:29:37.000 How's that a word game?

04:29:37.000 It's my president.

04:29:38.000 Can I tell you?

04:29:39.000 Yeah, please.

04:29:40.000 You rightly pointed out there's no evidence that this clown in Butler, Pennsylvania who shot the president was working for the Iranians. 0.98

04:29:46.000 I don't think he was.

04:29:46.000 There's no evidence of that.

04:29:48.000 Although I would like to know more about who he was and what's going on.

04:29:50.000 But I don't find it plausible that he was working for the Iranians.

04:29:53.000 So, was that caused by the Iranians? 0.98

04:29:56.000 No.

04:29:56.000 But what is true, and what your newsletter didn't acknowledge, is it true or false that Iran is currently trying to murder Donald J. Trump and has paid hitmen to do so?

04:30:03.000 Well, that's the question, and I don't know the Butler-Pennsylvania thing.

04:30:06.000 Let's just put that aside.

04:30:07.000 I don't know.

04:30:08.000 So Netanyahu misspoke when he said those two assassinations were because of Iran, but what he was saying that is right is they're actively trying to murder Donald J. Trump. 0.86

04:30:16.000 OK, so you're aware of a plot to kill Trump.

04:30:18.000 Yes.

04:30:18.000 That Iran is paying for.

04:30:21.000 It has been over the last, I'd say, 18 months to two years.

04:30:24.000 In the United States?

04:30:25.000 In the United States, yes.

04:30:29.000 For the Trump attempted assassination, no.

04:30:31.000 But they are also actively paying Iranian hitmen to murder Mike Pompeo when he was President Trump's first Secretary of State, the first term, rather.

04:30:38.000 John Bolton, when John Bolton was National Security Advisor to President Trump.

04:30:42.000 And a guy named Brian Hook, who was Assistant Secretary of State.

04:30:44.000 Right.

04:30:44.000 During the Biden administration.

04:30:45.000 Wait, but hold on.

04:30:45.000 Can we go back to Donald Trump because he's the president?

04:30:47.000 No, no, no.

04:30:47.000 It's a big deal.

04:30:48.000 What do you mean?

04:30:49.000 No one has been arrested for these assassination attempts on Trump.

04:30:53.000 Yes.

04:30:53.000 They've hired hitmen.

04:30:54.000 How do we know that?

04:30:56.000 All right.

04:30:56.000 Let me break it down.

04:30:58.000 People have been arrested.

04:30:59.000 So the reason I brought up Pompeo, Bolton, and Hook.

04:31:01.000 Who are under active assassination attempts because of their service in the first Trump administration?

04:31:06.000 Well, they say that.

04:31:07.000 I've never seen any evidence of it.

04:31:08.000 Can I give you the evidence?

04:31:09.000 Well, let's just stick with Trump.

04:31:10.000 No, no, no, because these are interrelated.

04:31:13.000 So let me make a bloody point.

04:31:14.000 Under the Biden administration, the State Department was spending $2 million a month providing security for Pompeo, Bolton, and Hook.

04:31:21.000 And they did arrest Iranian hitmen at John Bolton's apartment complex who rented, I think, the apartment next to him and were actively trying to assassinate him.

04:31:29.000 And they went and arrested them.

04:31:30.000 So, yes, they caught Iranian hitmen.

04:31:32.000 Now, it so happens Iran's not very good at it.

04:31:35.000 But they are actively trying.

04:31:37.000 But what about Trump?

04:31:38.000 He's the president.

04:31:39.000 If there's an applaud to kill Trump by the Iranians, that's a huge deal. 1.00

04:31:44.000 Of course.

04:31:45.000 I mean, that's the most important question.

04:31:46.000 The Prime Minister of Israel just said there have been two assassination attempts against Donald Trump by the Iranians.

04:31:51.000 And I think it's a very fair question, maybe you disagree, to ask, what are you talking about?

04:31:56.000 And I agree with you that he misspoke.

04:31:58.000 So there weren't those two attempts?

04:31:59.000 There were two attempts, but the clown in Butler, Pennsylvania, and the other guy on the golf course were not connected to the Iranians.

04:32:05.000 That's the part that he misspoke.

04:32:07.000 But by the way, when you speak all the time, And he was conflating it with the two attempts.

04:32:17.000 I understand.

04:32:18.000 But I just want to pull that thread because it's so important.

04:32:20.000 I voted for Donald Trump.

04:32:21.000 I campaigned for Donald Trump.

04:32:22.000 He's our president.

04:32:23.000 And we're on the cusp of a war.

04:32:24.000 So if there's evidence that Iran paid hitmen to kill Donald Trump and is currently doing that, what are you even talking about?

04:32:30.000 I've never heard that before.

04:32:32.000 Where's the evidence?

04:32:32.000 Who are these people?

04:32:33.000 Why haven't they been arrested?

04:32:34.000 Why are we not at war with Iran? 1.00

04:32:35.000 That's a great question to ask.

04:32:36.000 How do you know that that's true?

04:32:38.000 We know that it's true because we have been told that by the military and our intelligence community for the last two years.

04:32:45.000 We meaning who?

04:32:46.000 Congress has in the public.

04:32:47.000 I mean, we've had multiple testimonies.

04:32:49.000 I can send you testimony.

04:32:50.000 Do we know the names of the people or where this happened or what they tried to do to kill Trump?

04:32:53.000 We do not.

04:32:54.000 We have not apprehended an Iranian hitman trying to kill him.

04:32:57.000 We know that Iran is trying to do so. 0.52

04:32:59.000 In the United States.

04:33:00.000 Yes, and by the way, like Iran...

04:33:05.000 I didn't know that.

04:33:05.000 Iran put out a whole video about murdering Trump.

04:33:09.000 Right.

04:33:09.000 But I've never heard evidence that there are hitmen in the United States.

04:33:12.000 I mean, trying to kill Trump right now, we should like have a nationwide dragnet on this and we should attack Iran immediately if that's true. 1.00

04:33:18.000 Don't you think?

04:33:19.000 No.

04:33:20.000 If they're trying to assassinate our president?

04:33:22.000 They have been for two years.

04:33:23.000 They are enemies.

04:33:24.000 Then why are we in a war with them? 0.51

04:33:28.000 There's nothing that you could do that would be worse for the United States than murdering Trump.

04:33:31.000 And I just don't understand why you're not calling for the use of nuclear weapons against the Ayatollah right now. 0.78

04:33:35.000 I'm serious.

04:33:35.000 The use of nuclear weapons?

04:33:37.000 Whatever it takes.

04:33:38.000 That's part of the problem.

04:33:39.000 What do you mean?

04:33:40.000 You don't seem to take the allegations seriously.

04:33:41.000 I do.

04:33:42.000 If you believe they're trying to murder Trump, we need to stop what we're doing and punish them.

04:33:45.000 Can I ask something?

04:33:46.000 And I mean this sincerely.

04:33:48.000 So, all right, 20 years ago, you were, I think it's fair to say, in the interventionist world, I was a promoter of the Iraq war.

04:34:00.000 And you now, and I think you think you were mistaken.

04:34:05.000 I think you were mistaken.

04:34:06.000 That's okay.

04:34:06.000 People change and learn, and that's part of the journey of being human.

04:34:08.000 Your views have moved, though.

04:34:10.000 In my view, they've gone way too far the other end.

04:34:14.000 I'm totally confused.

04:34:15.000 I'm saying, hold on.

04:34:16.000 This is one of the weirdest conversations I've ever had.

04:34:18.000 I'm saying, if it's true that Iran is trying to murder Trump, we need to move militarily against Iran immediately. 0.99

04:34:22.000 That's not isolationism.

04:34:23.000 That's the most—that's a cult of violence, which I am calling for.

04:34:26.000 If we believe that Iran is trying to murder our president, we need to strike Iran. 0.99

04:34:29.000 Okay, but isolationists say things like, well, then just nuke them, which is what you just said.

04:34:32.000 Just kind of a weird— Because I'm upset.

04:34:33.000 Yeah, I agree with Ted Cruz.

04:34:35.000 I mean, yeah, this is the problem.

04:34:38.000 A lot of it just turns into rhetoric, and it's totally disingenuous.

04:34:42.000 I mean, for what it's worth, I don't find it totally unbelievable that Iran— I don't—especially the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.

04:34:54.000 The idea that they are—you know, that that's an impossibility, even to the extent that they're freelancing, meaning they're acting outside of a directive by the Ayatollah, I actually don't find that hard to believe.

04:35:06.000 They've tried to kill people in D.C. before, an ambassador once, and I believe they did try to kill John Bolton.

04:35:12.000 And, you know, so— I don't know if I necessarily disagree that Iran's trying to do that, but this like, oh, you know, we got to nuke Tehran if that's true. 0.95

04:35:22.000 I just think that's being disingenuous.

04:35:24.000 I don't think that's the strongest point, you know, and you have to understand what happened.

04:35:28.000 Trump killed Qasem Soleimani.

04:35:31.000 Soleimani was ahead of the Quds Force in the IRGC.

04:35:34.000 That was a really big deal.

04:35:35.000 That was a really big problem.

04:35:37.000 You know, and I do believe that Israel is certainly embellishing that. 0.97

04:35:41.000 I don't think that is untrue either.

04:35:43.000 I think that Israel is probably embellishing the threat or fabricating a plot that doesn't exist or an active plot or something like that.

04:35:51.000 But the intelligence that says that the IRGC is trying to kill those responsible for killing Soleimani, like Pompeo and Bolton, I don't find that hard to believe at all.

04:36:03.000 I don't think we should go to war with Iran over that.

04:36:05.000 I think Ted Cruz is being consistent.

04:36:07.000 If Ted Cruz says, yeah, they're trying to kill people, we're advocating to bomb their nuclear program and have the people overthrow the government, I mean, I think that's internally consistent at least.

04:36:17.000 Tucker, he doesn't seem to be taking a position either way.

04:36:20.000 Sounds like he doesn't believe that they try to kill Trump, but it's not 100%.

04:36:23.000 He won't say it outright.

04:36:27.000 I take my statements very seriously.

04:36:28.000 So I've asked you, where's the evidence this is true?

04:36:29.000 And you said, well, they're trying to assassinate Brian Hook or something.

04:36:32.000 Which I'm against, by the way.

04:36:33.000 I'm against hurting any American, period, no matter what.

04:36:35.000 So you dispute that they're trying to murder...

04:36:36.000 I'm not disputing it at all.

04:36:38.000 Are they really arresting the hitman with Bolton?

04:36:39.000 I don't know why that's even relevant.

04:36:41.000 I'm asking about the president of the United States.

04:36:42.000 Wait, it's not relevant that Iran hired hitmen to murder cabinet members in Trump's administration.

04:36:46.000 That doesn't go to how credible.

04:36:50.000 I'm totally opposed to that.

04:36:50.000 Yeah, Ted Cruz is making more sense on this one.

04:36:53.000 It's awful.

04:36:54.000 I am against killing anybody, actually, and especially foreign government.

04:36:58.000 I'm asking about your allegation and the Prime Minister of Israel's allegation that Iran is trying to murder the president.

04:37:05.000 Killing terrorists is a good thing.

04:37:06.000 Killing people who are trying to murder Americans is a good thing. 1.00

04:37:08.000 Because if you're America first, you want to protect America.

04:37:12.000 And so killing Osama bin Laden was a fantastic day for the world. 1.00

04:37:14.000 But you don't really believe that they're trying to murder Trump.

04:37:16.000 Yes, I do.

04:37:17.000 Yes, I do.

04:37:17.000 Then why aren't you calling for military action against Tehran right now?

04:37:19.000 Because they're not very effective.

04:37:20.000 In terms of hitmen, their hitmen are not very effective.

04:37:22.000 So they're hitmen, but not the bad kind, the efficient kind.

04:37:25.000 What are you saying?

04:37:26.000 They're a weak country who is on its knees, Why are they the biggest threat if they're a weak country that's on its knees?

04:37:32.000 I'm trying to keep track.

04:37:32.000 They're trying to develop...

04:37:36.000 I know, you're right.

04:37:37.000 That is a problem that I have.

04:37:38.000 I'm sorry.

04:37:38.000 They're trying to develop nuclear weapons.

04:37:41.000 They're close to developing nuclear weapons.

04:37:42.000 And even a weak country with a nuclear weapon.

04:37:45.000 Look, I believe there is a very real possibility if the Ayatollah develops a nuclear weapon that he would detonate it either in Tel Aviv or New York or Los Angeles. 0.86

04:37:53.000 See, that's the part that's ridiculous.

04:37:55.000 You know, they have me with the idea that, look, Iran is an adversary. 0.86

04:38:00.000 Iran is enriching uranium to 60% so that they have this threshold status so they could rapidly nuclearize.

04:38:08.000 You got me so far.

04:38:10.000 Probably they are appointing hitmen to kill Pompeo and Bolton and maybe even Trump as revenge for the killing of Qasem Soleimani.

04:38:19.000 I think all of that is plausible.

04:38:21.000 But then they get to this like, well, they chant death to America.

04:38:24.000 They're racing towards a bomb and they're going to detonate it in New York and Tel Aviv.

04:38:29.000 That's where you lose me.

04:38:31.000 Because the reason that they have enriched to the point that they have.

04:38:35.000 The reason they have any kind of nuclear program at all is a response to the ongoing arms race in the Middle East.

04:38:42.000 The idea that the mullahs, the cleric that runs Iran, is an irrational religious zealot who's motivated by a holocaust against the Jews, that's also ridiculous.

04:38:54.000 I don't think that's true either.

04:38:56.000 And so the question is, what is to be done about the problem?

04:38:59.000 What is to be done?

04:39:00.000 Of course, that's the operative question.

04:39:02.000 We have this antagonism with Iran. 0.73

04:39:05.000 We have an historic animosity and hostility between Tehran and Washington, going back to the revolution, going back to the coup in 53. What is to be done?

04:39:15.000 Well, we have to understand the root causes of how we got here.

04:39:19.000 Why is Iran hiring allegedly hitmen against Bolton and Pompeo and Trump?

04:39:24.000 Because they arranged for the assassination of Soleimani.

04:39:28.000 Why?

04:39:29.000 Why did they arrange for the assassination of Soleimani in 2020?

04:39:33.000 Because the U.S. pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal in 2018 and put on intense sanctions.

04:39:40.000 And in response, Iran was attacking our bases. 0.67

04:39:43.000 We were retaliating against them.

04:39:44.000 There was this myth that Iran was blowing up tankers in the Persian Gulf.

04:39:48.000 Rapidly it escalated.

04:39:50.000 But it goes back to this nuclear arsenal.

04:39:52.000 And once again, why are they looking to acquire a nuclear arsenal?

04:39:55.000 It's related to the question of killing Trump or Pompeo or Bolton.

04:40:01.000 Attain a threshold status because they are threatened by regime change from Israel and Washington.

04:40:07.000 And that is the problem that we created.

04:40:09.000 This is the unintended consequence, or maybe the intended consequence.

04:40:14.000 Certainly it's intended by Israel, maybe unintended by the Americans in Washington, which is pursuing regime change in every single country in the Middle East.

04:40:25.000 Overthrowing every single government.

04:40:27.000 And, by the way, that Israel is the lone country with a nuclear weapon.

04:40:30.000 So what is to be done about Iran wanting a nuclear bomb?

04:40:33.000 The answer becomes very obvious.

04:40:36.000 If you understand why Iran is pursuing a nuclear arsenal to the detriment of everything else, then you can understand how to assuage their concerns.

04:40:46.000 Which is, if we can give Iran confidence that we will not overthrow their regime, then, probably, they will have faith enough How do we do that?

04:41:01.000 The United States must be willing to restrain Israel. 0.99

04:41:04.000 If we can hold Israel back, then Iran can be confident that we're not trying to overthrow their government. 0.87

04:41:10.000 And I'm sure they would allow us inspections to oversee their nuclear program and they could be integrated into the regional economy.

04:41:17.000 Now, whether the United States and Tehran can overcome decades of hostility is.

04:41:28.000 We could flip them in other ways.

04:41:29.000 Egypt did that. 0.91

04:41:30.000 We didn't have to have regime change in Egypt to make a deal with them.

04:41:34.000 The United States and Israel were at war with Nasser and Sadat for decades, until we made a deal, and now Egypt is a strategic ally.

04:41:42.000 We could do that with Iran. 1.00

04:41:43.000 But it is the Israelis that want regime change because they cannot allow any competitors to them in the region. 0.74

04:41:52.000 They want to hasten the conflict.

04:41:54.000 So, you know, I agree more with.

04:42:04.000 Like Ted Cruz said, they're not a global power.

04:42:07.000 They don't threaten us imminently.

04:42:09.000 At the same time, they cannot acquire a nuclear weapon.

04:42:12.000 And their stockpile of highly enriched uranium, it certainly points towards – They want the ability to break out in a short window of time.

04:42:26.000 But all of that springs from a credible fear of regime change motivated by Israel from the United States.

04:42:34.000 So that's where there's a little bit of a digression there.

04:42:37.000 I actually agree maybe more in some sense with Ted Cruz assessing that, like, yeah, would it be ideal if there was regime change?

04:42:47.000 Strategically for America, yes.

04:42:49.000 Is that practical?

04:42:50.000 Absolutely not.

04:42:52.000 Is Iran an adversary?

04:42:54.000 Yeah.

04:42:54.000 Do they pose an imminent threat?

04:42:55.000 Not necessarily.

04:42:57.000 Do they point towards a nuclear weapon?

04:42:59.000 Sure.

04:43:00.000 But I don't think they're racing towards one.

04:43:02.000 I don't think they want one to kill all the Jews.

04:43:06.000 And I don't think that if they got one, they would detonate it over New York or Tel Aviv.

04:43:09.000 I think that's ridiculous.

04:43:11.000 So, you know, once again, that's why it's important to have a little bit of nuance.

04:43:16.000 I'm not saying I'm in between them, but I have a very different position.

04:43:20.000 And that would be utterly catastrophic.

04:43:23.000 I don't know what the chances are of that.

04:43:25.000 Let me compare and contrast Iran to North Korea.

04:43:28.000 Can I just ask one last question about trying to kill the president?

04:43:30.000 You sincerely believe, you promise, that right now the Iranian government is trying to murder our president. 1.00

04:43:36.000 You sincerely believe right now.

04:43:36.000 Absolutely.

04:43:37.000 And yet you are not calling for military action against the government that's trying to murder our president.

04:43:40.000 Can you explain that?

04:43:44.000 I don't think they're very effective.

04:43:45.000 I do think we should, by the way, America is...

04:43:51.000 I think we should protect the president and we should take out our enemies.

04:43:55.000 Israel is doing that right now. 0.80

04:43:56.000 But aren't they, why would we actually see Israel if they're doing that? 0.88

04:44:03.000 Okay, so you're saying we should just go in and take out the government of Iran.

04:44:05.000 Why would we outsource it to Israel if they're trying to murder a president? 0.97

04:44:07.000 See, this line from Tucker makes no sense.

04:44:10.000 What I'm saying on any military judgment is there needs to be a cost-benefit analysis of what are the risks versus what are the benefits.

04:44:17.000 In this instance, I think it is enormously in America's interest to do what Israel is doing right now, take out Iran's senior military leadership and take out their nuclear capacity. 0.89

04:44:25.000 That is benefiting America, and it is a good risk-reward.

04:44:29.000 I would oppose invading Iran and putting boots on the ground to topple the government.

04:44:35.000 If the risk got severe enough, I would support that.

04:44:38.000 But I think the relative risk is not severe enough to justify that step at this time.

04:44:42.000 What I would absolutely oppose under any circumstances is invading Iran and then staying and trying to turn them into a democracy. 0.98

04:44:49.000 And part of where Iraq really went off the rails is not only did we topple someone who was fighting radical Islamic terrorists, who was a bad guy, but then we tried the vision of interventionists.

04:44:58.000 It actually overlaps with the vision of a lot of Democrats.

04:45:00.000 Let's go promote democracy in the world.

04:45:03.000 It is our military's job to kill the bad guys, to defend America.

04:45:06.000 It's not their job to defend international norms.

04:45:08.000 It's not their job.

04:45:09.000 So I have zero desire for the U.S. military to turn Iran into Switzerland.

04:45:13.000 Look, would it be nice if they suddenly became Switzerland?

04:45:15.000 Sure, if I could wave a badge.

04:45:16.000 This is another, it's like we were talking about earlier.

04:45:18.000 This is another one of those artificial distinctions they introduce where they say, well, I want regime change, but not nation building.

04:45:25.000 It's like, okay, it's just as bad.

04:45:28.000 Do we want another Libya situation with 90 million people? 1.00

04:45:32.000 I mean, that doesn't make any sense at all.

04:45:33.000 Great.

04:45:34.000 But I'm not going to send your kids or my kids to be in front of guns to go make that happen.

04:45:38.000 Well, bless you for that.

04:45:38.000 I think that's a that is the lesson that I learned from Iraq.

04:45:41.000 I promoted that war. 0.94

04:45:42.000 Apparently, unlike you, I was dumber.

04:45:45.000 And I think that you just articulated the main lesson of it, which is it's either way.

04:45:49.000 OK, so I'm going to probably we're not going to finish the whole thing.

04:45:54.000 I'm going to end the stream at 8.30, so I'll do the stream for another half hour, and then I'll come back to do the show probably between 9 and 9.30.

04:46:05.000 At the latest, maybe 10, okay?

04:46:08.000 If I'm being totally honest.

04:46:10.000 So I recognize I started a little bit too late.

04:46:13.000 running up against the start of my show, so I'll do this stream for another half hour.

04:46:19.000 We'll get as far as we can, and then...

04:46:23.000 I'll come back.

04:46:24.000 I'll do the show.

04:46:25.000 Probably between 9.30 and 10 would be more realistic.

04:46:28.000 So that's just the plan.

04:46:29.000 Just letting you know.

04:46:30.000 To do that.

04:46:31.000 And we're not good at it.

04:46:31.000 And so we are agreeing on that.

04:46:34.000 I will say as a corollary, that doesn't mean that horrible evil dictators are okay.

04:46:41.000 And going back to Reagan and the Cold War, we have lots of weapons.

04:46:45.000 I am happy to highlight the brutality, the oppression, the human rights abuses of regimes, even though I don't want to invade them.

04:46:51.000 Because I think the bully pulpit of American leadership is really powerful.

04:46:55.000 And I think dictatorships are terrified.

04:46:58.000 So I've spent 13 years in the Senate.

04:47:01.000 One of the things I do frequently is highlight dissidents in Iran and North Korea and China.

04:47:06.000 In Venezuela, people are being tortured.

04:47:09.000 Miriam Ibrahim in Sudan, who was sentenced to 100 lashes and then to be killed for the crime of being a Christian.

04:47:17.000 And I repeatedly went to the Senate floor and shined a light on the government of Sudan.

04:47:20.000 It was corrupt.

04:47:21.000 It was evil.

04:47:22.000 I practically begged Barack Obama, say her name.

04:47:27.000 Look, yes.

04:47:30.000 Look, there is power to speaking out.

04:47:32.000 And ultimately, Obama never did say her name.

04:47:35.000 He would not say her name.

04:47:37.000 Ultimately, there was enough international condemnation.

04:47:39.000 The government of Sudan let her go.

04:47:40.000 And so she was not executed.

04:47:42.000 And I actually, I met her.

04:47:48.000 And she was in leg irons, in prison, waiting for the death sentence.

04:47:51.000 They were not going to kill her until she gave birth.

04:47:53.000 And they told her, we will not kill you if you will renounce Jesus.

04:47:57.000 And she refused.

04:47:58.000 And I met her, she was in D.C. speaking at a conference, after she was released, obviously.

04:48:02.000 And she's a tiny woman, a small woman. 0.88

04:48:05.000 I asked her, I said, when you were in that prison cell with your kids, Thanks.

04:48:13.000 I mean, I've never been threatened with murder unless I renounce my faith.

04:48:17.000 And she just said to me with a real peacefulness, she said, Jesus was with me.

04:48:24.000 Thankfully, you and I have not faced that circumstance.

04:48:27.000 But I do think there is a responsibility.

04:48:30.000 There's still time.

04:48:30.000 There is, and I hope we don't.

04:48:33.000 And actually, I'll use another example.

04:48:35.000 John McCain, who you and I disagreed with on a lot of issues.

04:48:38.000 I respected and admired him for his service and time as a prisoner of war.

04:48:42.000 I think his policies I disagreed with vehemently and fought against them.

04:48:45.000 But the man fought for America, and he was thrown in prison, and he was tortured by Vietnam.

04:48:52.000 And he was given the opportunity to be released early.

04:48:57.000 And he turned it down because he thought it would be dishonorable to lead before his fellow servicemen and women.

04:49:02.000 And when I first got here, there were no women there for you. 1.00

04:49:08.000 When I first got here, McCain hated my guts and he actually referred to me and Rand as wacko birds.

04:49:15.000 I remember.

04:49:16.000 I have up on the shelf, I have a baseball cap that a grassroots supporter gave me with a picture of Daffy Duck and labeled wacko birds, which I liked and laughed when.

04:49:23.000 But when he did that, I went to the Senate floor and I gave a speech praising John McCain.

04:49:28.000 And it was the day he'd like attacked me publicly.

04:49:30.000 And it happened to be, it was the 40th anniversary of his release from the Hanoi Hilton.

04:49:35.000 And I was consciously, I just talked about what a privilege it is to serve with someone who suffered for his country, who served.

04:49:41.000 And I didn't get into where we disagreed on policy on that speech.

04:49:44.000 I just said, you know, the man is an American hero, and I'm proud to serve with him.

04:49:47.000 But that was meant to be a statement also, that if you attack me, I'm going to praise you, not for things that are not praiseworthy.

04:49:52.000 If I disagree with you, I will not be shy about saying it.

04:49:54.000 But for things that are praiseworthy...

04:49:56.000 It was 2013.

04:49:57.000 Yeah.

04:49:58.000 And I felt the same way.

04:49:59.000 I went to his cell at the Henry Hilton and I...

04:50:01.000 I agree with you about McCain.

04:50:03.000 I just want to end by asking you specifically about what's going to happen next in Iran and what should happen next.

04:50:08.000 So you've called for regime change.

04:50:09.000 You said you don't favor the U.S. military participating in any kind of regime change.

04:50:13.000 You said you don't think, and bless you for saying this, that the U.S. military should try and turn it into Belgium.

04:50:17.000 Yeah.

04:50:17.000 Thank God.

04:50:18.000 But there is a third option where it turns into Syria, where it's this open wound and it causes massive migration and further destroys Europe, as Syria has. 0.99

04:50:27.000 And that's a huge cost.

04:50:28.000 And where lots of people die and just minorities get murdered in Syria again. 0.73

04:50:31.000 Are you worried about that?

04:50:33.000 Sure.

04:50:33.000 And listen, lots of bad things can happen.

04:50:36.000 But going back to what we talked about, the principle of defending America, I agree with President Trump that Iran with a nuclear weapon is an unacceptable risk to America, and we need to stop it. 1.00

04:50:49.000 I agree with President Trump, and I'll make a point.

04:50:52.000 But he's not for a change.

04:50:54.000 He's not.

04:50:54.000 So he and I disagree.

04:50:55.000 Look, I think he thinks it would be better.

04:50:57.000 He has not said he's for it.

04:50:58.000 And you know what?

04:50:59.000 Look, it is consequential when the president of the United States says, So I understand why he hasn't.

04:51:04.000 What he has said is he's drawn a red line and said Iran will not have a nuclear weapon and the only acceptable outcome is complete dismantlement.

04:51:11.000 So they have centrifuges.

04:51:12.000 They're enriching uranium right now.

04:51:13.000 They're trying to develop a nuclear weapon.

04:51:15.000 He said they must have complete dismantlement.

04:51:17.000 I led 52 senators, Republican senators, in a letter where we said we agree with President Trump.

04:51:21.000 That's the red line, complete dismantlement.

04:51:24.000 I agree with President Trump.

04:51:25.000 I agree with him supporting Israel, taking out Iran's military leadership, taking out their nuclear capability. 0.88

04:51:29.000 And I'll point out, look, if you look the first term, I am hard-pressed to think of a single foreign policy decision Donald Trump made the first term that I disagree with.

04:51:38.000 And that's not entirely accidental because I spent a lot of time the first term in the Oval Office with him.

04:51:43.000 This guy is so full of shit.

04:51:44.000 It's crazy.

04:51:45.000 It's like, this is why everybody hates politicians.

04:51:50.000 You had interventionists in the administration.

04:51:53.000 And they disagree.

04:51:54.000 They would fight within the administration.

04:51:55.000 And often what it would give is an opportunity for me to come in and say, hey, there's a middle path here that President Trump agreed with frequently.

04:52:04.000 And it's worth noting in the first term, he most assuredly was not an isolationist.

04:52:07.000 Look, he took out General Soleimani, which I emphatically agree with.

04:52:11.000 And in fact, I introduced a resolution that we voted on the Senate floor commending him for taking out General Soleimani, who was the leader of the IRGC and who was responsible for killing over 600 American servicemen and women.

04:52:22.000 When Trump came in, ISIS had a caliphate that had grown up under Obama that was about the size of the state of Indiana.

04:52:28.000 And Trump came in and utterly decimated them.

04:52:30.000 He killed the terrorists, took away their caliphate, and defeated them.

04:52:33.000 And he also took out Baghdadi, the head of ISIS.

04:52:35.000 I mean, those are not the actions of an isolationist.

04:52:38.000 I don't even know what an isolationist is.

04:52:39.000 It's just a slur designed to control.

04:52:41.000 I mean, I've never been an isolationist.

04:52:42.000 I don't even know what that means.

04:52:43.000 Okay, Rand Paul is my colleague.

04:52:44.000 Rand is an isolationist.

04:52:45.000 And Tucker, you've become one, and I don't mean it as a slur.

04:52:47.000 You consistently say, We will see.

04:53:06.000 There are several people in leadership in Iran that will not be coming back, Trump said, following the strikes.

04:53:10.000 It's worth taking a step back and wondering how any of this helps the United States.

04:53:15.000 We can't think of a single way.

04:53:19.000 Okay, that to me is the essence of isolationism.

04:53:21.000 And let me just ask you, when the Ayatollah chants death to America, I believe him. 1.00

04:53:26.000 Do you not believe him?

04:53:27.000 Do you think he doesn't mean it when he says death to America?

04:53:28.000 Well, I think he hates America, for sure.

04:53:30.000 And I'm opposed to that.

04:53:31.000 And do you think he's willing to act on it?

04:53:32.000 It's not just hate America.

04:53:33.000 He also is leading a country and trying to develop a nuclear weapon.

04:53:35.000 I think under certain circumstances, for sure.

04:53:37.000 So the question is, do you act in a way that makes that more or less likely?

04:53:41.000 And that's a tough call.

04:53:43.000 It's something that you can debate.

04:53:44.000 One of the ways you shut down debate is by calling people names like isolationists, pretending they're like pro-Nazi or something, or as you did, claiming I'm an anti-Semite.

04:53:51.000 That's not a way to get to a solution or have a rational conversation.

04:53:54.000 That's a way to make people be quiet.

04:53:55.000 And I'm against that.

04:53:56.000 Okay, so if you don't like the label isolationist, how would you...

04:54:03.000 Of course you don't oppose every military.

04:54:04.000 This whole thing is infantile and you know that it is.

04:54:06.000 It's a way to call people names and make them be quiet.

04:54:11.000 Give me another name.

04:54:12.000 If you don't like that, I'm not trying to have you be quiet.

04:54:13.000 We've been talking an hour and a half.

04:54:14.000 I'm asking, if you don't like the name Isolationist, how would you describe it?

04:54:18.000 I would describe myself in the same way you falsely described yourself in this conversation.

04:54:21.000 Falsely?

04:54:21.000 Yes, falsely.

04:54:22.000 What did I say, false?

04:54:23.000 You said that the only...

04:54:28.000 I didn't say the only, I said the predominant.

04:54:29.000 That's what I understood.

04:54:30.000 So let me revise what you said and apply it to myself and say the only thing that matters is whether or not it serves the United States.

04:54:35.000 And I feel very stung by what happened in Iraq, if I'm being honest.

04:54:38.000 Possibly because, unlike you, I guess, I supported it.

04:54:41.000 And I saw us get drawn into it in a way that nobody anticipated.

04:54:44.000 And I saw the cost, just about $3 trillion?

04:54:48.000 And the cost on so many levels to the United States was just so profound.

04:54:50.000 And I felt like, gosh, it reminds me of Kaiser...

04:54:58.000 And of course, that destroyed Christian Europe. 0.96

04:55:00.000 So it's like you don't really know where these things are going once the shooting starts.

04:55:02.000 That's my only point.

04:55:03.000 And calling people named anti-Semite isolationists to get them to stop talking is not the way to serve your country.

04:55:09.000 That's all I'm saying.

04:55:09.000 So I'm trying to have a real and serious conversation.

04:55:12.000 And look, a lot of this has been contentious.

04:55:15.000 I wish it had not, because as we started out by saying, you and I agree vehemently on 80% of the issues.

04:55:20.000 This discussion is focused on the 20% where we don't.

04:55:24.000 You know, I will say, look, on Iraq, you look at the 2016 presidential campaign where you had 17 Republicans running.

04:55:29.000 If you set Rand aside, and his views are on one side, there were only two candidates on that stage that opposed the Iraq war.

04:55:36.000 Me and Donald Trump were the only two.

04:55:38.000 Everyone else thought the Iraq war was a great thing. 0.97

04:55:40.000 I think it was a disaster.

04:55:41.000 So you and I agree on that as well.

04:55:43.000 In my view, you went, I think your Ford policy has gone too far.

04:55:47.000 I mean, let me ask you, is there a military action Trump has undertaken that you agree with?

04:55:51.000 Because I've not heard anything.

04:55:54.000 I believe in self-defense.

04:55:56.000 That's why I keep firearms at home.

04:55:58.000 I think it's morally justified to defend yourself, your family, your property, your nation.

04:56:03.000 And so to the extent that you can deter a threat through violence, violence always being the least appealing choice, violence always being, if I can finish, always being a tragedy.

04:56:12.000 I think you can justify the use of violence and self-defense.

04:56:15.000 That is my personal view, and that applies to me and to the country.

04:56:17.000 Those are my views.

04:56:18.000 That's not an isolationist view.

04:56:19.000 It's not an anti-Israel view.

04:56:20.000 It's not an anti-Semitic view.

04:56:21.000 It is, I think, a pretty common sense view.

04:56:24.000 But my problem is that lawmakers in Washington are light on detail with these things, and they speak, as you do, entirely in moral terms.

04:56:30.000 These people are bad.

04:56:31.000 I'm not speaking entirely in moral terms.

04:56:33.000 I'm not interested in killing bad guys.

04:56:34.000 I'm interested in killing people who are trying to kill us.

04:56:36.000 That's different.

04:56:37.000 Are you now?

04:56:38.000 Because you told me that...

04:56:43.000 And that is undisputed.

04:56:45.000 There's literally nobody who disputes that fact.

04:56:46.000 Then why don't you support military action right now against Iran? 0.97

04:56:50.000 We are engaged in military action right now.

04:56:51.000 He basically does.

04:56:52.000 Yeah, I mean, that's a weak argument.

04:56:55.000 Why don't you support offensive military action?

04:56:58.000 We're bombing the crap out of Israelism. 0.98

04:57:00.000 We're supporting them.

04:57:00.000 Israelism.

04:57:01.000 Why shouldn't the U.S. military defend its own president?

04:57:03.000 I don't understand that.

04:57:05.000 Look, and it goes back to...

04:57:09.000 Nobody disputes it, Tucker.

04:57:11.000 Did you land on the moon?

04:57:12.000 What other conspiracies do you not believe?

04:57:14.000 Was 9-11 an inside job?

04:57:16.000 I've asked you the names of these people.

04:57:17.000 I don't know the names of the Iranian hitmen.

04:57:19.000 I know it because the U.S. military and the intelligence agencies have testified before Congress repeatedly that Iran is trying to murder Donald Trump and has hired hitmen.

04:57:27.000 Do I know the name of the hitmen?

04:57:28.000 No, I'm sorry.

04:57:29.000 And I don't think we do either because we would apprehend them if we knew their names.

04:57:31.000 Then why don't you take it seriously not to support...

04:57:36.000 But you don't.

04:57:37.000 This doesn't even make any sense.

04:57:38.000 And you're calling me an isolationist.

04:57:40.000 If I believed that that was true, I would support military action against the government of Iran. 0.74

04:57:45.000 Okay, that's interesting because there is literally...

04:57:48.000 Out of 535 members of Congress, I am not aware of one who disputes that Iran is trying to murder Donald J. Trump. 0.79

04:57:56.000 Even the looniest Democrat doesn't dispute that.

04:57:58.000 So I don't...

04:58:04.000 You think it's a fact?

04:58:04.000 What is the fact exactly?

04:58:05.000 That they've hired hitmen.

04:58:06.000 In the United States?

04:58:07.000 Americans?

04:58:08.000 We're looping, we're looping.

04:58:09.000 Are the hitmen American?

04:58:10.000 I don't know.

04:58:11.000 Oh, okay.

04:58:12.000 I'm telling you what, and by the way, I'm not the CIA, I'm not the Department of Defense, I'm telling you what they have told us.

04:58:17.000 I'm not disputing it.

04:58:18.000 I'm merely saying that I'm not.

04:58:20.000 I'm saying the logic train has a massive hole in it.

04:58:22.000 If you believe that's true, But you don't support that.

04:58:28.000 He does.

04:58:28.000 That's the whole point.

04:58:29.000 He's a neocon.

04:58:30.000 Isn't that the whole purpose of the debate?

04:58:33.000 Ted Cruz supports regime change.

04:58:35.000 He supports Israel's strikes against Iran.

04:58:39.000 So, you know, I don't know what Tucker's even arguing.

04:58:43.000 Like, Cruz is a neocon who believes the theory that Iran's trying to kill Trump.

04:58:48.000 And by the way, I mean, it's plausible that Iran's trying to kill Trump. 0.54

04:58:52.000 It could easily be one of these things that's embellished or played up or even completely fabricated by the Israelis. 0.84

04:58:58.000 I mean, maybe that's more likely.

04:59:00.000 But he buys it.

04:59:02.000 Hook, line, and sinker, he bites on that.

04:59:04.000 And he's in favor of regime change.

04:59:06.000 I'm not sure where the inconsistency is.

04:59:09.000 Ted Cruz believes the Israeli propaganda, and he supports regime change.

04:59:15.000 So I don't know what the point he's trying to make is.

04:59:18.000 I think this is flawed.

04:59:19.000 What's going on here?

04:59:20.000 Tucker, you took offense to the word isolationist, and I genuinely don't mean it as a pejorative.

04:59:23.000 I disagree with it.

04:59:25.000 But if you don't like that term, I don't know how else to describe what is a coherent foreign policy that says we're surrounded by two giant nations.

04:59:31.000 By the way, isolationism has long been a school of foreign policy.

04:59:34.000 I believe in self-defense.

04:59:35.000 I'm not into the slurs, the anti-Semite stuff.

04:59:38.000 I just don't like that.

04:59:39.000 I'm telling you what I believe.

04:59:40.000 But is there a single military action Trump took that you agree with?

04:59:42.000 So do you agree with taking out General Soleimani?

04:59:45.000 Oh, I don't know.

04:59:46.000 It turned out better than I thought, I guess.

04:59:47.000 I mean, you said at the time it would, like, lead us to World War III.

04:59:49.000 I thought.

04:59:49.000 I was worried about it.

04:59:50.000 I've seen that.

04:59:51.000 Well, but that proved not the case.

04:59:52.000 I was wrong, as I have been many times.

04:59:54.000 Did you agree with taking out the ISIS caliphate?

05:00:00.000 And you're for that.

05:00:01.000 Why is that?

05:00:01.000 What do you mean?

05:00:01.000 I didn't say I'm for that.

05:00:02.000 You don't seem to have a problem with it.

05:00:03.000 I didn't say that.

05:00:04.000 That ISIS is now running Syria.

05:00:04.000 You're like, ah, we'll see.

05:00:05.000 No.

05:00:06.000 I mean, I know why.

05:00:07.000 By the way, I didn't push Assad out.

05:00:09.000 Assad toppled.

05:00:10.000 It's hilarious.

05:00:11.000 It's like, Assad is bad, but no, ISIS runs Syria, but that's fine. 0.50

05:00:14.000 We'll just kind of wait and see on ISIS. 0.99

05:00:15.000 It's not a big deal.

05:00:16.000 Hold on a second.

05:00:17.000 I want to get back.

05:00:18.000 You know why I don't care and you do your trademark smirky laugh.

05:00:22.000 I know why you don't care.

05:00:23.000 Why don't I care?

05:00:24.000 I don't know.

05:00:25.000 You tell me.

05:00:26.000 because you think it's okay because they're not making angry noises or something.

05:00:29.000 But by your own standards, Because why?

05:00:39.000 They're ISIS.

05:00:40.000 What I said is, I don't know how good or bad it'll be.

05:00:42.000 Look, I wasn't pushing Assad out.

05:00:43.000 He fell.

05:00:44.000 He fell on his own, in part because he was heavily supported by Hezbollah, and when Israel took out the Hezbollah leadership, he lost his base of support.

05:00:50.000 But the current ISIS leadership you don't think is bad? 0.99

05:00:52.000 You can't say it's terrible that ISIS runs a country? 0.56

05:00:54.000 I am concerned about it.

05:00:56.000 Concerned?

05:00:56.000 Aren't you horrified?

05:00:58.000 I want to see what they do.

05:01:00.000 Oh, so you've got to wait and see attitude on ISIS now? 1.00

05:01:03.000 On the government of Syria, they are not actively, that I am aware of, trying to murder Americans.

05:01:07.000 And that's a real dividing line.

05:01:09.000 Are you trying to murder Americans or not?

05:01:10.000 I'm just saying it's a little weird that we wage this war against ISIS and now they're running a country in the Mediterranean.

05:01:14.000 I think that people would be very, very upset about that.

05:01:16.000 But you don't seem very upset about that.

05:01:17.000 By the way, did you agree with Trump taking out al-Baghdadi, the head of ISIS?

05:01:20.000 I'm totally opposed to ISIS.

05:01:22.000 And what I care about is results, actually.

05:01:24.000 And if...

05:01:27.000 I guess I'm for it.

05:01:28.000 But now ISIS runs Syria.

05:01:29.000 I'm wondering, how does this work?

05:01:35.000 I really do my best to be honest and correct if they are and admit that I was wrong.

05:01:37.000 I'm not one of these people who's like, I've always been consistent.

05:01:39.000 No, my views change all the time because the facts change all the time.

05:01:41.000 You're not going to get consistency from me.

05:01:42.000 You're only going to get sincerity.

05:01:43.000 Well, look, I will say this.

05:01:45.000 And look, I believe you're sincere.

05:01:46.000 Yeah.

05:01:47.000 I'm not God.

05:01:48.000 I'm just some guy watching trying to figure out the right thing for America.

05:01:50.000 And I think because...

05:01:54.000 I think you've overcorrected.

05:01:56.000 Overcorrected?

05:01:56.000 I'm worried about turning this mess in Iran into a much larger mess.

05:02:01.000 That's the concern.

05:02:02.000 And by the way, that's a reasonable worry.

05:02:03.000 Look, I know it's reasonable.

05:02:04.000 And I know you've been like, you're like ready to call me all these names for asking.

05:02:06.000 You're just asking questions.

05:02:07.000 Yes, I am.

05:02:08.000 So here's my question to you.

05:02:09.000 If the Ayatollah is killed in Iran, and he very well could be.

05:02:11.000 Yeah, very well could.

05:02:13.000 I have just read in the paper this morning that Israel tried to take him out twice, and Trump told them not to.

05:02:18.000 I have read that.

05:02:19.000 I don't have independent confirmation one way or the other.

05:02:21.000 Do you think that they should take him out?

05:02:23.000 So I actually talked about it.

05:02:24.000 As you know, I do a podcast every week, Verdict with Ted Cruz, and I actually talked about it in the latest podcast.

05:02:27.000 And I said, look, I've seen the reporting that says that Trump has them not to take out the Ayatollah.

05:02:31.000 And when I said the podcast is, I think it's reasonable for them to decide not to try to take him out.

05:02:35.000 What they've done is targeted just about the entire top level of the military, the people that actually conduct the war.

05:02:42.000 I can see an argument that taking out both the head of state and a religious leader could make him a martyr and could cause more problems than it's worth.

05:02:49.000 And by the way, if you take out the Ayatollah, I don't know, the next guy isn't just as bad. 0.98

05:02:54.000 What happens to the country?

05:02:56.000 I don't know, but you mentioned before, and I want to go back to this, you said something like you, like most other politicians, are engaged in moral terms.

05:03:04.000 And let me be clear.

05:03:05.000 I am talking about national interest.

05:03:07.000 I am talking about protecting America.

05:03:08.000 So there are bad guys on planet Earth that I don't think we should take out even though they're bad guys.

05:03:12.000 I'll call them bad guys, but I'm not willing to use U.S. military force to take them out.

05:03:17.000 In this instance, what Israel is doing is taking out their capacity to build nuclear weapons.

05:03:23.000 Why?

05:03:23.000 Because they judge the risk is too high if they've got nuclear weapons.

05:03:26.000 I understand that.

05:03:27.000 I mean, I understand that.

05:03:28.000 I think it's in progress.

05:03:29.000 I think it'll probably be achieved, probably with U.S. military support.

05:03:31.000 Who knows?

05:03:31.000 But the president said he's for that.

05:03:33.000 And by the way, where the military support is most needed is Fordow, which is a bunker that's built under a mountain.

05:03:40.000 Israel's taken out most of the rest, like Natanz, which is their big enrichment site. 1.00

05:03:43.000 They bombed the hell out of it.

05:03:44.000 Fordow was deliberately built deep into a mountain so that Israel couldn't take it out. 0.93

05:03:48.000 And there's an active discussion because the U.S. has bunker buster bombs that are big enough to take out Fordow.

05:03:53.000 30,000 pounds.

05:03:54.000 And Israel doesn't. 0.95

05:03:55.000 So the one military piece that...

05:03:58.000 But here's, I guess, what bothers me is that I said two weeks ago, the real goal here is regime change in Iran.

05:04:03.000 I don't think that's Trump's goal.

05:04:04.000 It's your goal.

05:04:05.000 It's Israel's goal. 0.99

05:04:06.000 I'm not attacking anyone.

05:04:07.000 I'm just saying it's important to be honest You said the real goal here is regime change, and it's your goal, and I want to be clear.

05:04:17.000 Well, you said it was your goal.

05:04:18.000 I want to be clear because words matter.

05:04:20.000 Do I support regime change and would I like a government that doesn't hate America and isn't trying to kill us in Iran?

05:04:24.000 Yes.

05:04:25.000 That's a good outcome.

05:04:26.000 Is that the objective of these military strikes?

05:04:29.000 I don't think necessarily.

05:04:30.000 I don't know if it's Israel's.

05:04:32.000 It's not my objective.

05:04:33.000 My objective is taking out- Should the United States participate in that operation in any way?

05:04:42.000 Look, I have not called for killing the Ayatollah. 0.72

05:04:45.000 And there is nations in war generally refrain from attacking and killing heads of state.

05:04:52.000 Now, the Ayatollah doesn't.

05:04:53.000 He's trying to kill Trump.

05:04:53.000 We talked about that.

05:04:54.000 But we shouldn't punish him for it.

05:04:56.000 It's a distinction without a difference.

05:04:59.000 The reality is, is that Israel desires regime change fundamentally.

05:05:04.000 And what's more...

05:05:10.000 The nuclear strikes at Fordow, that is just one step on the way.

05:05:15.000 That's the trap.

05:05:16.000 That's the bear trap that gets us stuck.

05:05:18.000 So I see this on Twitter.

05:05:20.000 I see Tucker saying this.

05:05:22.000 I see Steven Crowder saying this.

05:05:23.000 They all say, well, you know, we support strikes on the nuclear facilities, but not regime change.

05:05:30.000 They want us to take out the nuclear facilities so that Israel can do regime change or to get us trapped so that we participate in the regime change.

05:05:38.000 Either way, that is their end objective.

05:05:40.000 Their end objective is regime change, and roping the United States in is a part of that plan. 0.84

05:05:47.000 It is contingent.

05:05:50.000 Roping the United States in or regime change in Iran is contingent on roping the United States into the conflict using the nuclear issue.

05:05:58.000 So people are saying, well, are you in favor of just bombing the nuclear sites or regime change?

05:06:03.000 These are not separate.

05:06:06.000 And it's just context denial to pretend.

05:06:09.000 And Tucker's starting to bring this up.

05:06:11.000 Israel's goal is regime change. 0.91

05:06:13.000 It always has been.

05:06:14.000 That's why we're in the predicament.

05:06:16.000 That's why Iran has 60% enriched uranium.

05:06:20.000 That's why Trump pulled us out of the nuclear deal the first time at their behest.

05:06:24.000 And they want us involved to take out the nukes so that Iran is vulnerable. 0.65

05:06:29.000 And then ideally, they with the United States can finish the job with a decapitation strike. 0.72

05:06:35.000 So I think it's sort of pointless to go back and forth and say, well, you know, do you desire regime change this way or that way or just the strikes on the nuclear facilities?

05:06:44.000 It's all the same thing.

05:06:46.000 Ultimately, it is all part of the same thing.

05:06:48.000 The two options are not nukes or regime change or whether we do it or Israel does it.

05:06:53.000 The options are, do we restrain Israel, have a nuclear deal with Iran, and keep the regime intact? 0.92

05:06:59.000 That is a package deal.

05:07:01.000 You restrain Israel, it opens the pathway for diplomacy, we can have a nuclear deal with inspections and confidence and verification, and the Iranian regime remains intact. 0.93

05:07:12.000 Those all go together.

05:07:13.000 That's a package.

05:07:14.000 The other package is, Israel is unrestrained, they make diplomacy impossible, we're drawn in bombing their nuclear facilities. 0.97

05:07:22.000 Either that makes them vulnerable enough for decapitation, or we are stuck in the conflict after the nuclear sites, after the strikes on the nuclear facilities, and we're involved in the decapitation strike with Israel. 0.63

05:07:37.000 That's a package, too.

05:07:39.000 In sequence, you get one or you get the other.

05:07:41.000 You get package A, package B. That's what's behind each door.

05:07:45.000 So I see people on Twitter saying, you know, we're not talking about regime change.

05:07:49.000 We just want the strikes on the nuclear facilities.

05:07:51.000 That's the same thing.

05:07:53.000 That's part of the same package deal.

05:07:56.000 It's a shame to see Tucker.

05:07:58.000 He's going in on this plot to kill Trump.

05:08:01.000 The plot to kill Trump, that's also part of the second package.

05:08:06.000 If you believe that Iran really is trying to kill Trump and there's a very credible threat.

05:08:13.000 That's part of the decapitation strikes.

05:08:15.000 And by the way, that threat being embellished and exaggerated by Israel, that's also part of that package to get us involved.

05:08:23.000 It's just another, it's a stocking stuffer in the trick to get us involved.

05:08:29.000 Just like with Iraq. 1.00

05:08:30.000 You know, the big pitch for Iraq was, well, they have a nuclear weapons program. 0.78

05:08:35.000 They've got WMDs.

05:08:37.000 But the stocking stuffer, you know, the extra, the side, the shareable.

05:08:42.000 The handhelds and shareables, the shareable in the Iraq cause for war, the Casa's Belli, was that they participated in an anthrax plot, that they were involved with Al-Qaeda and bore some responsibility for 9-11.

05:08:56.000 There's always these extras they throw in.

05:08:59.000 Well, they have WMD.

05:09:01.000 Well, they're genociding the Kurds. 1.00

05:09:03.000 Well, they did the anthrax plot.

05:09:05.000 Well, they're involved with Al-Qaeda.

05:09:06.000 And same thing here.

05:09:08.000 So it's all part of everything is part of the same thing.

05:09:13.000 Israel wants regime change. 0.74

05:09:15.000 They're hyping up the nuclear threat.

05:09:17.000 They're hyping up the assassination plot.

05:09:19.000 They want to rope us in with the promise of a limited operation.

05:09:23.000 So we're stuck.

05:09:25.000 We bomb Iran. 1.00

05:09:26.000 Iran bombs us. 1.00

05:09:27.000 Now we're in.

05:09:28.000 Now we're in it for the whole objective.

05:09:30.000 Or we hold Israel back, we're able to pursue an independent foreign policy that is actually Those are the two packages. 0.53

05:09:51.000 And we're running out of time.

05:09:52.000 We'll watch maybe a few more minutes of this, and then I'm going to get out of here.

05:09:56.000 Then we've got to do the show.

05:10:02.000 I have not publicly called for killing the Ayatollah.

05:10:04.000 What I've called for is doing whatever is necessary to stop him from getting nuclear weapons.

05:10:07.000 In the first Trump term, what that meant was maximum pressure.

05:10:10.000 So in the first Trump term, I spent a lot of time urging the president to withdraw from the disastrous Iranian nuclear deal that Obama had.

05:10:16.000 President Trump agreed with me.

05:10:17.000 He did that.

05:10:17.000 And then I urged him to end the oil waivers and to sanction the hell out of the country.

05:10:21.000 And it ended up crippling their economy.

05:10:23.000 So Iran at the time was selling two million barrels of oil a day.

05:10:27.000 One million barrels, I'm sorry, one million barrels of oil a day.

05:10:29.000 When President Trump ended the oil waivers, It cut their sales to 300,000 barrels a day.

05:10:35.000 At the end of the Trump term, the Iranian economy was in shambles.

05:10:37.000 They had massive inflation.

05:10:38.000 I think the regime was teetering.

05:10:40.000 I think it might have fallen.

05:10:40.000 I would use economic sanctions and I would use moral suasion to try to effectuate the regime change.

05:10:45.000 Okay, so you topple the regime and bite whatever means.

05:10:47.000 What happens then?

05:10:48.000 How many people live in Iran, by the way?

05:10:49.000 I don't know the population.

05:10:51.000 At all?

05:10:51.000 No, I don't know the population.

05:10:53.000 You don't know the population of the country you seek to topple?

05:10:56.000 How many people live in Iran?

05:10:57.000 92 million.

05:10:58.000 Okay.

05:10:59.000 How could you not know that?

05:11:01.000 I don't sit around memorizing population tables.

05:11:04.000 Well, it's kind of relevant because you're calling for the overthrow of the government.

05:11:06.000 Why is it relevant whether it's 90 million or 80 million or 100 million?

05:11:09.000 Because if you don't know anything about the country...

05:11:12.000 Okay, what's the ethnic mix of Iran?

05:11:14.000 They are Persians and predominantly Shia.

05:11:17.000 No, you don't know anything about Iran.

05:11:20.000 Okay, I am not the Tucker Carlson expert on Iran.

05:11:23.000 You're a senator who's calling for the overthrow of the government and you don't know anything about the country.

05:11:27.000 No, you don't know anything about the country.

05:11:28.000 You're the one who claims they're not trying to murder Donald Trump.

05:11:30.000 No, I'm not saying that.

05:11:31.000 You're the one who can't figure out if it was a good idea to kill General Soleimani and you said it was bad.

05:11:34.000 You don't believe they're trying to murder Trump.

05:11:35.000 Yes, I do.

05:11:36.000 Because you're not calling for military strikes against them in retaliation.

05:11:41.000 You said Israel was.

05:11:41.000 Right.

05:11:42.000 With our help.

05:11:43.000 I've said we.

05:11:43.000 Israel is leading them, but we're supporting them.

05:11:45.000 Well, you're breaking news here because the U.S. government last night denied, the National Security Council spokesman, Alex Pfeiffer, denied on behalf of Trump that we were acting on Israel's behalf in any offensive capacity at all.

05:11:54.000 No, we're not bombing them.

05:11:54.000 Israel's bombing them.

05:11:55.000 You just said we were.

05:11:57.000 We are supporting Israel.

05:11:58.000 This is high stakes.

05:11:58.000 You're a senator.

05:11:59.000 If you're saying the United States government is at war with Iran right now, people are listening. 1.00

05:12:02.000 We are not bombing them.

05:12:04.000 Israel is bombing them.

05:12:05.000 Why did you do the snide OOK?

05:12:07.000 What do you mean?

05:12:07.000 Because this is super high stakes stuff.

05:12:09.000 This is a huge country that borders a lot of other important countries.

05:12:12.000 A lot of world's energy comes from there.

05:12:13.000 You don't want another disaster.

05:12:15.000 Tucker, the Ayatollah refers to Israel as the little Satan and America as the great Satan.

05:12:19.000 Do you believe him?

05:12:20.000 When he says it's the great Satan, do you think if the Ayatollah could murder both of us right now that he would?

05:12:25.000 I do.

05:12:26.000 I believe it.

05:12:26.000 Okay, I assume no good faith on the part of the Ayatollah.

05:12:29.000 And if your implication is like, I'm pro-Ayatollah or something.

05:12:32.000 No, no, no, it's not good faith.

05:12:33.000 I'm just saying, you're a lawmaker.

05:12:34.000 You're a powerful person in Washington.

05:12:36.000 This is the most powerful country in the world.

05:12:37.000 If you're calling for toppling in government, it's incumbent on you to know something about the country and to think through the consequences of that.

05:12:42.000 And you haven't, and you don't.

05:12:42.000 And I'm saying that's reckless.

05:12:44.000 Okay, you are, you engage in reckless rhetoric with no facts.

05:12:48.000 And to be clear, you put out a newsletter attacking Donald Trump and calling him complicit.

05:12:54.000 I've never attacked Donald Trump.

05:12:55.000 Yes, you have.

05:12:56.000 I've campaigned for Donald Trump.

05:12:58.000 This is like after anti-Semitism, this is the last refuge. 0.97

05:13:01.000 You're an anti-Semite and you hate Trump.

05:13:02.000 I love Trump.

05:13:03.000 I will read.

05:13:04.000 You put out a whole newsletter saying Trump has abandoned America first.

05:13:06.000 And here's what Trump said in response.

05:13:08.000 Well, considering that I'm the one that developed America first and considering that the term wasn't used until I came along, I think I'm the one who decides that.

05:13:14.000 For those people who say they want peace.

05:13:17.000 So for all of those wonderful people who don't want to do anything about Iran having a nuclear weapon, that's not peace.

05:13:23.000 That was directed at you.

05:13:25.000 Busted.

05:13:26.000 No, I'm just saying.

05:13:30.000 I campaigned for Trump.

05:13:30.000 I know Trump.

05:13:31.000 I talked to him last night.

05:13:32.000 I'm not against Trump, and you know that.

05:13:33.000 What's your guess is for policy?

05:13:35.000 We should be very careful about entering into more foreign wars that don't help us when our country is dying.

05:13:41.000 When you say don't help us.

05:13:43.000 Look, yes, focus on our country.

05:13:44.000 I'm all for it.

05:13:45.000 But the naivete, You don't know anything about the country whose government you want to overthrow.

05:13:51.000 And you're calling me reckless.

05:13:52.000 I want to stop a lunatic who wants to murder us from getting nuclear weapons that could kill millions of Americans.

05:13:58.000 You say, I can't see how that benefits America in any way.

05:14:00.000 That is bizarre.

05:14:02.000 And by the way, isolationism, your foreign policy is the foreign policy of Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama.

05:14:06.000 And it doesn't work.

05:14:07.000 I'm a big leftist.

05:14:09.000 This is so silly.

05:14:10.000 Now I'm Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama.

05:14:11.000 Okay.

05:14:11.000 Let me just say one last thing.

05:14:13.000 So how is your foreign policy different from Jimmy Carter's?

05:14:15.000 Seriously.

05:14:16.000 Please.

05:14:18.000 Seriously.

05:14:19.000 I don't even know what you're talking about.

05:14:21.000 Jimmy Carter?

05:14:22.000 So what century is this?

05:14:26.000 He goes, please.

05:14:28.000 How is your foreign policy different than Jimmy Carter?

05:14:31.000 please.

05:14:34.000 Because that is such, like, Republican brain rot.

05:14:37.000 Jimmy Carter.

05:14:38.000 Because, you know, Jimmy Carter ran against Reagan.

05:14:41.000 You're like Jimmy Carter.

05:14:45.000 He goes, please.

05:14:46.000 That was a W. That was funny.

05:14:49.000 Just one last thing.

05:14:50.000 So, how is your foreign policy different from Jimmy Carter's?

05:14:52.000 Seriously?

05:14:53.000 Please.

05:14:56.000 I don't even know what you're talking about.

05:14:58.000 That's funny.

05:14:58.000 Jimmy Carter?

05:15:00.000 What century is this?

05:15:01.000 I am the product of the last 25 years, watching carefully, being involved in the periphery, and I see an unending string of foreign policy disasters that have impoverished and hurt our country.

05:15:09.000 Unending string?

05:15:10.000 An unending string.

05:15:10.000 They would include Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and our inability to stop the Houthis, by the way, in Yemen, which exposes us as weak, and I grieve over that.

05:15:18.000 So these are failures.

05:15:19.000 You help preside over some of them.

05:15:20.000 As a member of the Senate.

05:15:22.000 What failures, four policy failures have I presided over?

05:15:24.000 Well, we were unable to beat Russia in the war that you supported against Russia.

05:15:28.000 You've been spending the last three years telling us that Vladimir Putin is evil and we're going to beat him with other people's children.

05:15:33.000 And a million of those kids are now dead.

05:15:35.000 You've never apologized for that.

05:15:37.000 I think we're going to wrap this up.

05:15:39.000 They finished with Iran. 0.76

05:15:41.000 I think the rest of this is about Russia.

05:15:43.000 We didn't get to finish.

05:15:44.000 We got about 20 minutes short.

05:15:47.000 But we started a little bit late, as usual.

05:15:50.000 So I'm going to wrap it up, and this is going to be the end of this stream.

05:15:54.000 Again, I'm going to be doing a show tonight, I'm thinking around 9.30, 10 o 'clock, so in about an hour, hour and a half at the latest.

05:16:03.000 I'll be back here doing America First on this channel, so make sure to subscribe, smash the like button, leave a comment, you know, all that stuff.

05:16:11.000 I'm going to have something to eat, I'm going to change, and then I will be back.

05:16:15.000 Tonight we're going to be covering all the latest in the Iran-Israel war.

05:16:19.000 You know, this stream we just reviewed the Ted Cruz-Tucker Carlson interview.

05:16:23.000 But tonight we're going to talk about all the latest developments, and it seems like there's quite a few.

05:16:28.000 Trump says that he's going to make a decision within two weeks.

05:16:32.000 Israel says they're going to kill the Ayatollah.

05:16:35.000 Last night, there were some major Iranian ballistic missile sites on Tel Aviv and throughout Israel.

05:16:40.000 Apparently, there's some new form of drone that flew across the entire country.

05:16:45.000 So we're going to cover all that.

05:16:47.000 We might cover some other stuff.

05:16:49.000 So stay tuned.

05:16:50.000 But that's the end of this stream.

05:16:53.000 We're going to get some cuck on here.

05:17:07.000 We're going to get our cuck on.

05:17:09.000 All right.

05:17:10.000 I'll see you guys later.

America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - June 19, 2025

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