00:00:46.000Could a dolphin rape a human, but a human not rape a dolphin?
00:00:49.000Uh, yeah, yeah, I think that's about right.
00:00:51.000Yeah, I can see that on TikTok and said we got bodied by them and they had some, yeah, we, yeah, after our debate last night, they made uh, the dolphin.
00:02:38.000Think of excess on the right when we have so much excess to the left in terms of like, you know, child drag queens and story hour and, you know, free trade and, you know, two Middle East wars at the same time and this bailout that just happened for Wall Street because of the coronavirus.
00:02:56.000Like, it's hard to even imagine how far it'd be too far.
00:02:59.000I mean, I'm obviously not like, you know, in favor of like murder, you know, like the state, like mass violence by the state.
00:03:06.000I think we could all agree that would be too far.
00:03:08.000But, um, You know, I think radical change in thinking is required.
00:03:14.000So I think America first has sort of its own moderating principle, which is it's whatever's in the interest of the people.
00:03:20.000And, you know, obviously we don't need to like nuke any other country, but I think that that is a pretty good standard to go by.
00:03:27.000So I know you were talking about the bailout.
00:03:29.000Did you, you saw, I'm assuming you disagree with the bailout that we just did for coronavirus?
00:03:35.000Well, it's not that I disagree with that.
00:03:37.000I believe that it was required, like a big stimulus was required, but I think.
00:03:43.000Excuse me, that the proportionality of it was wrong in the sense that they probably should have given a lot more money for small business loans and for cash payments and less money to bail out like the airlines and the hotels.
00:03:57.000I think that you need stimulus for both parts of the economy.
00:04:01.000You need to stimulate Wall Street and the big industries.
00:04:05.000And you also need to stimulate the people.
00:04:06.000But I thought that the priorities were totally lopsided.
00:04:11.000And this is a theory of my own because I personally think that we should have had less cash in the hands of Americans and more money to be spent towards instead of just having them still paying their bills.
00:04:23.000How about the American government say, oh, I mean, just let's go ahead and.
00:04:32.000And so instead of just handing out cash and maybe running into a situation where I know I've heard of Americans just spending it on whatever, TVs and crap, I mean, how about we save ourselves that trouble and just pay the companies themselves?
00:04:45.000And, you know, because if they don't have the bills to pay, then they don't have to worry about the money situation.
00:04:51.000Well, the problem for a lot of people is that they're in a no or a low income situation where it's not so much that the bills are too much, but there's just no money coming in.
00:05:00.000I mean, the money going out is a problem, but there's no money coming in.
00:05:03.000So I think that in addition to helping people relieving their burden with bills, I think the stimulus also stimulates demand in the economy in the sense that, you know, people are probably going to take their checks and spend it on frivolous things.
00:05:17.000But that is a good thing because when there's more spending, then that means that the economy is going.
00:05:22.000And I'm not typically like a big Keynesian, like a big demand side guy.
00:05:26.000But, you know, in this context, obviously, demand is totally artificially suppressed by these restrictions on.
00:05:33.000People shopping and eating out, and you know, the shelter in place.
00:05:37.000So, I think that it's probably a much better approach just to give people the cash that they have bills to pay, they can pay them.
00:05:43.000If not, then at least they're spending money.
00:05:45.000And that is just another form of stimulus.
00:05:47.000That's just like another monetary injection, which to me is a lot better than doing an injection the other way, which is having the Federal Reserve buy stuff or you know, giving it to Wall Street because Wall Street is just squandering it, they're squandering it on stock buybacks and you know, other ridiculous things.
00:06:04.000So, I think it's just better to give people the cash.
00:06:08.000Yeah, that's an interesting concept because I know I've talked about the coronavirus stimulus package and the reaction of the American government to the coronavirus and all that.
00:06:16.000Actually, very frequently, even going back to Trump's response in general to travel bans, stuff like that associated with it.
00:06:24.000So I definitely want to ask you about that.
00:08:57.000And so I think we should have a complete immigration moratorium.
00:09:00.000Indefinitely, no immigration indefinitely until.
00:09:03.000Is this for population control or is it for something else?
00:09:08.000Well, it's because immigration is a tremendously destabilizing force.
00:09:13.000You know, immigration is something that historically in the country comes in waves and it subsides, obviously.
00:09:19.000You know, you get a big wave of immigration, for example, of Germans coming in in the early 19th century and then it stopped for a long time.
00:09:28.000You had a big wave in the early 20th century and then it stopped.
00:09:31.000It was nearly zero during the Great Depression.
00:09:33.000What we've had since 1965 is a wave that never stops.
00:09:37.000It just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
00:09:42.000And every year we have more immigrants than the last.
00:09:44.000And now we're taking in more than a million immigrants a year.
00:09:47.000And so the problem with that is it rips apart the social fabric, it changes the culture, it is hurting American workers because you increase the labor pool and it decreases wages.
00:09:58.000And so it has so many bad effects when you scale it this big that we have to stop it and kind of survey the damage and see how we're going to put the country back together.
00:10:09.000A lot of big problems in the future if it's not causing problems already.
00:10:12.000So, and I'm just like basing this off of what you said in that statement is like with the negative that you had said with it is the culture, the culture aspect.
00:10:26.000Do you not want cultures to mix in America?
00:10:31.000I think that a country has to be cohesive and orderly and stable.
00:10:37.000And what is critical to that is some degree of consensus.
00:10:41.000On culture, which is to say, you know, what God you worship, your politics, your language, even little things like mannerisms, customs, things you might even think about, like sense of humor or your perception on the role of women or the role of government.
00:10:57.000Like culture is a very complex and sophisticated thing.
00:11:01.000And when you mix them together, it tends to create conflict.
00:11:04.000You know, there is no such thing as a mixing of cultures.
00:11:07.000There's really only a clash of cultures, which is to say that, you know, you bring people in who have wildly different views on very important and consequential things like.
00:11:18.000And people tend to want to fight over those kinds of things.
00:11:20.000And when they fight, one side wins, one side loses, and the people that win decide what the country looks like.
00:11:27.000And so you bring in, in short, you bring in lots of people with a different culture, and pretty soon America's culture will change and our culture will diminish and their culture will expand.
00:11:37.000And pretty soon we'll be looking at a country that's unrecognizable.
00:11:40.000And generally, the culture that's coming here is not only different, which is, I think, a good enough reason alone to keep it out, but it's worse.
00:11:49.000It's not, it'd be one thing, you know, if Europeans went into Africa, maybe they'd make the culture better, actually.
00:11:55.000But when Africans come here, they're making the culture worse.
00:11:57.000So it's not, I mean, it would be one thing to say, and I think this is sufficient, we want to protect our way of life no matter what.
00:12:03.000But not only are they coming here and changing it and altering it and making it foreign and different, but they're doing it so such that it's worse.
00:12:17.000The whole like the Africa statement, it's not based upon like, The third worldness of these countries and them getting used to, acclimated to, you know, us having a more civilized nation in America.
00:12:33.000And a lot of people don't like to say that and it makes them uncomfortable.
00:12:38.000And I wouldn't describe myself as a racist or anything like that or a hater of other people or a supremacist, but we just have to be adults and we have to be mature and say that whether we like it or not, tribalism is real among people.
00:12:52.000Whether we like it or not, People do have racial identity.
00:12:56.000You know, the people that are coming here from Mexico, what is their advocacy group called in the United States?
00:13:07.000And when they're talking about the Mexican conquest of Arizona and California, and they're talking about Aslan, is what they call it, the Mexican reconquest of the Southwest, which a lot of political activists say that America stole from them in the 19th century, this is a racial lens that they're interpreting this demographic change.
00:13:25.000And this is true, I think, for all racial groups.
00:13:33.000And I don't think America would be the same if America was racially different.
00:13:37.000I think you change the racial composition of the country and you change what the country looks like.
00:13:42.000You change the culture of the country.
00:13:44.000I don't think that you can make America a non white country and it will continue to look like a white country and not just in skin color, but in all the cultural expressions of a culture.
00:14:10.000Would you say that you would want to take action to try to, like, if you could call the shots, would you try to take action to, like, prevent the difference of culture that currently exists in the country or just stop it from coming in?
00:14:23.000Well, first we have to stop it from coming in and then we have to figure out what to do.
00:14:27.000And I know that sounds maybe like a cop out, but the thing is, is that there's really no easy answers.
00:14:33.000We're going to live in a multiracial country and multiracial means that there is no dominant.
00:14:39.000You know, white people will cease to be a majority and they will cease to be the dominant race in the country, culturally, politically, otherwise.
00:14:46.000And so we will become meaningfully a multiracial country.
00:14:49.000And that's going to happen no matter what because of the birth rates and the fertility rates and everything.
00:14:54.000So we're going to have to figure out how are we going to get along as a multiracial country?
00:14:59.000How do we govern a multiracial country?
00:15:01.000And I think a lot of that is a question mark.
00:15:03.000I think a lot of that remains to be written and remains to be seen how that's going to go.
00:15:07.000But before we can figure out, Okay, it's multiracial, it's maybe 50% white and 30% Hispanic and 15% black, whatever the composition is going to be.
00:15:17.000We have to figure out how are we going to make it such that, because my big concern is all this anti white stuff.
00:15:23.000When we transition to a multiracial country and Democrats run the show and it's this electorate, the Democrats' constituency is blacks, Hispanics, and Asians, largely virtually no white people and an ever shrinking minority.
00:15:36.000When this new coalition is governing the country, how are they going to treat the white people?
00:15:42.000Are they going to like, Because the way it's going now, I'm not really optimistic about our place.
00:15:48.000Anti white media stuff, anti white commercials, anti white history books.
00:15:52.000And when we're going to be a minority, how is that going to translate into policy?
00:15:56.000So, if we're going to live in a multiracial, fine, but let's make it truly equal.
00:16:01.000If that's how it's going to be, then everybody should be equal and everybody should be respected and everybody should have their own culture, their own thing, whatever.
00:17:31.000Well, I think you have to look at it how is it materialized in our country today?
00:17:38.000You have these advocacy groups, you have policies that are designed to benefit certain groups at the expense of others, affirmative action, you have the NAACP, you have CARE, the American Islamic Relations thing.
00:17:51.000You've got all these advocacy organizations and policies and programs.
00:17:58.000And to me, it's like you can either have that be what multiracialism looks like.
00:18:03.000In that case, then should white people not get an advocacy group?
00:18:08.000You know, if that's the way it's going to be, and everybody's fighting for their own and their own tribe, and it's just kind of like this sort of ethnic democracy, they have something like this in Ethiopia.
00:18:17.000If that's the way it's going to be, then white people should be able to play too.
00:18:20.000Because the way it is now, what Republicans say is that, well, identity politics is wrong, but it only seems to be wrong when white people do it.
00:18:28.000Because we can have black leadership summits, we can have Hispanic leadership summits, and all that's fine.
00:18:33.000We can target the black vote and talk about black unemployment, but God forbid you talk about how white people are doing.
00:18:39.000White identitarians are just as bad as the left.
00:18:42.000So I think you have to have it either or you have to have all or nothing.
00:18:46.000Either everybody gets to play that game and everybody gets to have their advocacy group and fight for their interest and fight for their pie, or nobody does.
00:18:53.000And if nobody does, and that means no affirmative action, that means that all the laws are.
00:18:59.000That means that we're going to shut down BLM, we're going to shut down the NAACP and everything else.
00:19:04.000And to me, it seems like that latter outcome is a lot less likely because I don't think these other groups will give up their aspirations, their ethnic politics.
00:19:12.000So I believe that out of defense, white people have to kind of rise up and put something up equal or similar because you look at California or Texas and it's like white people are already becoming a minority.
00:19:24.000And what is that going to look like when they're talking about reparations?
00:19:28.000Reparations is going to look like A Democrat government with this coalition of non white people is going to put it into power, and reparations is going to look like just taking white people's stuff.
00:19:59.000Now you see the government is legalizing land reappropriations where people are going to go in and take the white farmers' land and take their stuff, and they're killing the white South African farmers.
00:20:11.000This already happened in Rhodesia, which is now called Zimbabwe.
00:20:17.000Maybe that sounds like crazy or far off in the future, but the principle is the same.
00:20:21.000We must protect the rights of everybody in the country if that's where we're headed.
00:20:26.000So, and I just want to make one more question so I can give other people some time because I know I think other people were wanting to ask questions as well.
00:20:32.000I know we have a lot of hand raises and stuff like that.
00:20:35.000So I don't want to take too much of your time either.
00:20:37.000I don't know how long you have, but pretty much, I guess, from my perspective on this is, and I don't have a liberal mindset when it comes to this, actually.
00:20:48.000Probably one of the guys that's like, you know, what if we're going to have gay pride, then we should have straight pride.
00:20:53.000You know, I think that, you know, I think that we should have advocacy for both ways.
00:20:59.000However, you have to admit though that the reason why we don't have, say, I guess, a white, you know, like a white political, you know, rally or whatever, like these are white politicians that we have in office.
00:21:16.000You know, we've got the power kind of thing, you know, or whatever.
00:21:19.000Like the reason why you don't have stuff like that is because.
00:21:23.000We already have the majority of the politicians right now.
00:21:27.000We don't need the advocacy right now because it would be a different case if we were, say, George Bush's era and we're looking at Barack Obama becoming the first black president ever.
00:21:39.000It would be a different case if, you know, if it was the first white president ever.
00:22:23.000And the reason why it's different is because this comes down to math.
00:22:28.000Talking about communism rising is a social trend, and it's totally different.
00:22:33.000What we're talking about is fertility rates.
00:22:36.000We're talking about the rate at which the non white population inside the United States is growing versus the rate at which the white population is growing.
00:22:44.000And these numbers can change, obviously, but they don't tend to fluctuate wildly in short amounts of time.
00:22:50.000We're on a trajectory, we've been on a trajectory for a long time.
00:22:53.000In 1965, the white population, it was 90% of the population, was white.
00:23:00.00090% white and roughly 10% black was in 1965.
00:23:03.000Today, the white population is, I think, just over 60%.
00:23:07.000And so you can see very clearly the trajectory we're on.
00:23:21.000And the trajectory is going the same way and will go the same way into the future because the people that we're bringing in, immigrants, they have a much higher fertility rate.
00:23:28.000You know, Hispanics, the fertility rate for Hispanics is going down, but it's It was around 2.5, I think, the last numbers I saw, compared to white people where it's less than two.
00:23:38.000So, the fertility rates are as such, and immigration isn't stopping anytime soon.
00:24:03.000I'm just wondering, like, what you would do against that.
00:24:06.000I understand the question, but no, no, it's not that we're going to deport people, like I said, and I said this.
00:24:13.000Early on, I said the demographic change that we're seeing is baked into the cake.
00:24:18.000Really, immigration will accelerate it, but regardless of immigration, these demographic changes are baked into the cake because of the fertility rates.
00:24:26.000And I said, we're going to live in a multiracial country.
00:24:28.000And I said, we're going to have to just figure out how are we going to make that work?
00:24:32.000And if and when that happens, we have to ensure that everybody has rights.
00:24:36.000We have to ensure that if we're going to talk about equality, then everybody's going to be equal.
00:24:40.000So that's what I said from the beginning.
00:24:41.000I didn't say we're going to deport non white people or anything like that.
00:24:44.000I said we should probably shut down immigration so we could get a handle on stabilizing the country, the social fabric, the economy from just being ravaged by immigration for 70 years.
00:24:55.000But, you know, when that turn ultimately happens, as this demographic transition happens, we have to figure out how we're all going to get along because I'm really not optimistic about where the country is headed as a result of this.
00:25:07.000What wouldn't you want to, wouldn't you want America, though, to be like a safe haven for people to escape to?
00:25:12.000That's what it was for in the first place.
00:25:19.000I understand the founding mythos about religious separatists fleeing and the pilgrims and all of that.
00:25:27.000But the founders never intended America to just be the world's refuge for poor and peasants.
00:25:34.000The people that are coming here are not refugees, they're just poor.
00:25:38.000The people that have come across the border or that are buying their way in or making anchor babies, they're not fleeing persecution, they're not fleeing genocide, they're economic migrants.
00:25:47.000It's the same thing happening in Europe.
00:25:49.000America was not built up so that people could like loot it, so that America could like, or rather, so that immigrants could, you know, come through and pillage all of our resources.
00:25:58.000So you're talking about mainly African Americans that would be like taken over, right?
00:26:02.000That's the population, or just what do you, then who, I wasn't listening too closely, who is mainly going to be like just anybody who's not white would be the majority, right?
00:26:13.000Well, so blacks are roughly 14% of the population, and their share of the population will stay the same really throughout the rest of the century.
00:26:23.000But the groups that are going to expand the most are Hispanics and Asians, because that's where the immigration is coming from Latin America and increasingly Asia.
00:26:31.000So those are going to be the bigger groups.
00:27:07.000Well, because this is really an economist's way of looking at the world.
00:27:12.000If we look at America as like an open market or a shopping mall or like a business, then you might say, well, you might look at labor like any other economic good.
00:27:24.000Well, people are going to come here, they're going to get jobs, and maybe I'll go somewhere else and get a job.
00:27:40.000And the idea that people would be coming in here and the only thing that America has to offer for the world is to give poor people from other countries jobs, I think, diminishes what America means to all of us.
00:27:52.000To me, my neighborhood, because we talk about the country, but really it's about your neighborhood.
00:28:07.000Because they're going to come from some slum in Nicaragua and they're going to come to my neighborhood, and suddenly they're not in a slum.
00:28:13.000They're in a nice suburb and it's 95% white and there's no violence and everything, and they're going to get a nice job.
00:28:19.000But here's the thing if the entire character of the neighborhood changes, if the demographics of the neighborhood change, it's not going to be my neighborhood anymore.
00:28:26.000You're going to see different food, different restaurants, different customs, different holidays, different everything.
00:28:32.000My kids are going to go to school and be a minority.
00:30:03.000And I don't know why someone's skin color or someone's race or where they come from matters whether or not they're going to come and give to the economy, get a job, you know, put into the economy.
00:30:15.000Because when they get jobs, they're putting their money in and they're spending their money and they're putting that money into the economy and it's circulating.
00:30:21.000Yeah, yeah, the race, but like the race is like, you know, connected to the culture because I remember we were talking about that earlier, but it is the culture you're talking about.
00:31:57.000We'll unmute you when you come back, Jordan.
00:31:59.000Before we get started on any, like, Um, other other questions, just everybody that has their hand up, just know we're going to get to you at a time.
00:32:05.000Just, just you can, I mean, it depends on you know, when if Nick has to leave, Nick has to leave, but we'll try to get to as many questions as possible.
00:32:15.000I just don't because people, no, no, I mean, I honestly think we're very curious though, because I, I do, I've never traveled to that part of you know, like political theory, I guess, if you want to call it that.
00:32:47.000But the question about culture is a valid one.
00:32:51.000It is true that there are cultures, America is a big country, and America has a lot of different populations which have been assimilated over the years.
00:32:58.000And there are regional differences and there are all kinds of differences.
00:33:02.000I think this fundamentally obfuscates the reality, which is that America does have a cohesive basic identity, which is to say that everybody in America speaks English.
00:33:14.000I mean, not everybody, but if we were to agree that there is a cultural core to America, if we were to try to deduce what that is, it's speaking English.
00:33:25.000And obviously, there are some people that are not Christian, but even the people that are not Christian, they're brought up with biblical stories, they're brought up in a Western culture.
00:33:33.000Influenced by the Bible, and they have a Christian morality.
00:33:36.000Even if they don't believe in Christianity, they're born in a society shaped by it, right?
00:34:37.000Is not a part of the American cultural core.
00:34:40.000We know what the American cultural core is.
00:34:41.000And to bring up some of these differences, while they are valid, I think it obfuscates the broader picture, which is there's sort of a continuum there.
00:34:49.000Would we say that me being an Italian from Chicago is as different from an Anglo Virginian than I am different from somebody who lives in the Congo?
00:35:00.000Would you say that there's the same degree of difference between an Italian Midwesterner and an Anglo Southerner than there is between me and an African or the Anglo and an African in the Congo?
00:35:12.000You know, there's a huge disparity between those two cultures and different languages and religions and customs and history and so on.
00:35:18.000And that's the clash we're talking about.
00:35:21.000But at the same time, you've also got most of the immigration that we have coming into the country are also coming from Christianized and Westernized cultures.
00:35:31.000I mean, I wouldn't exactly call most of Latin America a lack of Christianity as far as their culture is concerned.
00:35:39.000I would actually say that in a lot of ways, they're definitely more Christian than a lot of Americans are, even that practice Christianity.
00:35:48.000So, how would their immigration specifically be?
00:35:53.000Sort of mess up the balance of culture in America.
00:35:57.000Well, again, there's going to be similarities.
00:35:59.000I mean, there are African Christians and there are Asian Christians.
00:36:07.000What we're talking about is the full boat.
00:36:10.000You know, Hispanics may practice a version of Christianity, but what is also true about Hispanics is that they're largely Catholic.
00:36:16.000I'm Catholic, of course, and there's a large contingent of Catholics in America, but we know that the American founding was characteristically Protestant and the American population was characteristically.
00:36:25.000Characteristically Protestant for, you know, 100 years after its founding until the turn of the century brought a lot of South and Eastern Europeans over.
00:36:35.000So it's a Protestant Christian country versus Catholic.
00:36:37.000That's one difference right out of the gate.
00:36:39.000The other difference is that in a lot of Hispanic countries, you have a very pagan practice of Christianity.
00:36:45.000You know, their pagan roots go far deeper than their Christian roots.
00:36:50.000And so this is where you see a lot of cults and a lot of weird tribal type things going on.
00:36:55.000So even Christianity is very different.
00:36:59.000The closest population to Europeans, because obviously there's been a large degree of racial mixing because of colonialism, and obviously we brought Christianity.
00:37:08.000But even our closest relative speaks a different language, practices a different kind of Christianity, has a different historical expression of it.
00:37:15.000They were historical antagonists to America, you know, 150 years ago in the Mexican American War, and the list goes on and on.
00:37:22.000So I would say that, again, you can find differences between Americans and similarities between others.
00:37:27.000But again, I think this is kind of missing the forest for the trees.
00:37:30.000I think we all know what we're talking about here.
00:37:33.000You know, when Hispanics are coming in and taking over these neighborhoods, they look different.
00:37:42.000And, you know, maybe those differences are interesting or unique, but I'd like to visit Mexico if I want to experience Mexican culture, not step outside of my door.
00:37:52.000I find it to be somewhat interesting that you say that America was necessarily founded on Protestant Christian values when specifically the man that wrote the Declaration of Independence was an outspoken deist.
00:38:07.000And contributed significantly to the Bill of Rights and the framing of the Constitution in and of itself.
00:38:13.000So, to try and place this sort of theological essence behind the very first secular country to be founded in the history of the world, to me, is extremely disingenuous because the whole reason that the country was founded without a state religion was so that there could be mixing of cultures and people could express their different cultures and their different religious beliefs in different ways.
00:38:41.000And I mean, there have been some violations along that line.
00:38:44.000I mean, we can, you know, even though I disagree with their faith, we can see sort of what happened to the LDS church in the late 1800s and early 1900s.
00:38:54.000Now, I think that, you know, I'm not agreeing with their faith, but I do think that they were treated unfairly by a lot of government entities.
00:39:02.000So, I mean, to claim that America is a Protestant Christian nation or is even a Christian nation in and of itself.
00:39:13.000Is factually incorrect because we, our founders, wanted to make sure that our citizens were able to practice whatever their belief systems were as long as they were not interfering with the life, liberty, or property of another individual.
00:39:29.000So, how can we frame this culture within a religious, within, you know, with religion being one aspect, if our founders didn't necessarily frame the country as a religious country overall?
00:39:44.000Yeah, well, first of all, I don't like that you keep saying I'm disingenuous because I don't think I'm being disingenuous.
00:39:55.000Well, I don't think it's disingenuous.
00:39:57.000I think it's just a different interpretation of what you mean by a country.
00:40:00.000If you think that the government is the country, then maybe that is where you might say something like that.
00:40:05.000But I think this ignores the fact that the vast majority of the population was Protestant Christian.
00:40:12.000And I think you would find that even the founding fathers, if they were deists or not, they were influenced by.
00:40:18.000Protestant Christian culture and British culture, and to say that, well, because the government has the separation of church and state in this doctrine, which, by the way, does not appear in the Constitution, but because of this doctrine, then that means that America is a secular country.
00:40:34.000Of course, maybe the government was intended to be secular in certain ways.
00:40:49.000You know, there's this theory that George Washington converted to Catholicism on his deathbed.
00:40:54.000You know, whether or not that's true, would we say that if it was true, if George Washington converted to Catholicism on his deathbed, that because he was the president and a framer, that America is a Catholic country?
00:41:04.000You know, we're talking about one deist who wrote the Declaration of Independence, allegedly, and the way the government is set up versus how the population was and how the population was for a long time.
00:41:15.000You know, the religious awakenings that happened in the country throughout the 19th and 18th centuries played a very important role in the country.
00:41:22.000And Churches, Protestant and otherwise, played a very important role in Americans' faith, played a very important role in their culture and their politics for a long time.
00:41:30.000So, to say that because the government lacked religious mechanisms means that America is a secular country or that the culture is not meaningfully Christian, I think that is just kind of a silly argument to make.
00:41:43.000I mean, we would certainly say that Turkey had a secular Republican government since 1926, that's changed recently.
00:41:50.000Would we say that at any point since then, Turkey was not meaningfully Islamic or influenced by Islamic culture, Islamic values, and so on?
00:44:47.000Like Maddie said, everybody that keeps raising your hand, dog, I've literally seen people's hands turn different colors because they're holding up too high.
00:47:32.000My biggest question is so, like, Lance Videos, Nick, you guys, you're big libertarians, right?
00:47:39.000I'm libertarian on a lot of stuff, but I'm conservative on some stuff.
00:47:43.000So I wouldn't consider myself a full fledged libertarian or a full fledged conservative.
00:47:47.000So, I mean, I'm kind of in the middle.
00:47:49.000And so your biggest thing kind of is like if we were a full socialist country like Bernie Sanders, socialism, like you think the country would completely be over.
00:48:07.000Your kind of idea of thought is well, the problem is see, the thing with Bernie Sanders is that his plans are even so radical that the establishment democrats, like in Congress, they wouldn't pass anything.
00:48:17.000So, if Bernie Sanders would become president, I think that he would become a lame duck just because anytime he passed like an executive order, Congress would just go around him and like develop like a bill or some type of legislation that would just completely annihilate everything.
00:48:29.000I don't think that Bernie Sanders would get a lot of his radical plans done, like controlling rent on apartments, like that's that would never pass anything like that, even Medicare for all.
00:48:38.000So, I think, um Based on kind of what Nick has said, like, so demographically, like California, you said 30 years ago, it was bright red, like it was red every single time.
00:48:49.000And basically, with the influx of immigration, it's turned blue.
00:48:54.000Texas, I think it's 2028, expected to go blue for a presidential race.
00:48:59.000So, as the Democratic Party is shifting even further left, why do you guys say we need more immigrants when it's obvious that about 70% of immigrants are voting Democrat and we're going to get a full socialist country unless we stop this?
00:49:13.000If that's what you guys are your biggest concern.
00:49:15.000Well, first of all, Bernie isn't full socialist.
00:49:17.000Second of all, at least I'm not advocating for a massive influx of immigrants.
00:49:22.000But where I disagree with America First and the Groypers is I don't think that we should set like racial quotas on immigration.
00:49:29.000I think that we should just accept like, you know, like whoever applies.
00:50:04.000How do you expect to keep the Republican Party going if the immigrants are bringing in over a million by the year are voting majority Democrat?
00:50:18.000Well, a lot of the immigrants that vote mostly Democrat come from Mexico and usually Mexico or anywhere in like Central America, South America, and Asia, Asia, those countries there.
00:50:31.000They usually don't go to other states.
00:50:35.000They usually go to California, Arizona, and other states like that.
00:50:39.000Yeah, Virginia, Virginia, a little bit, but they don't go up north in states like that.
00:50:47.000Well, a big reason why Texas is also turning blue is because a ton of people from California are moving to Texas as well, just because taxes and everything in California is so high.
00:50:56.000See, this is what I think is going to happen because I think what's going to happen is this country is going to have to end up going so far left, like what happened with the UK.
00:51:03.000And then we're gonna have to, everybody's gonna have to realize like this shit isn't working, and then we're gonna have to come back like what's happening right now with the UK.
00:51:11.000Correct me if I'm wrong, but like you're saying you don't want to craft policy based on like your political goals, like you're not gonna control immigration based on whether, yeah.
00:51:19.000I don't want to, I don't want to control immigration just to keep the country Republican.
00:51:22.000Like that's pretty, that's like, that's literally, that's like super partisan, yeah.
00:51:26.000The other side's doing it anyway, so why not do it, Nick?
00:51:30.000Uh, I guess I have to call you guys, but you know.
00:51:33.000Other names because we got to get some name going.
00:52:37.000Tax exempt status or conservative groups.
00:52:40.000He used backdoor gun control with environmental regulations.
00:52:44.000He put in place a policy with HUD that said that if your town is more than 50% white, they're going to put Section 8 housing in your neighborhood and destroy property values and so on.
00:53:45.000And I'm willing to do that if that means shutting down immigration.
00:53:48.000Now, there's other reasons why we should shut down immigration, but I'm not going to say, well, we shouldn't engage in partisan politics because that is just to make us win.
00:53:56.000Look at what the left does with no voter ID.
00:53:59.000What do you think that's about, letting felons vote?
00:54:18.000So I agree with Nicholas on the fact that this is more than just, you know, I like Republicans versus Democrats.
00:54:25.000These are legit policies that's going to affect us on a wide scale, right?
00:54:30.000But what I don't understand with Nicholas is the fact that he was talking about not assimilating with other people.
00:54:35.000To me, instead of pushing parties, I think you should push policies.
00:54:39.000The only way to understand and get people to understand your policies, and if it works, is you actually be around people and help people.
00:54:45.000So if you're not allowing people to be around you or live around you that have different Beliefs, how they're supposed to understand and gravitate towards your side.
00:54:54.000To me, that's more that grassroots movement, right?
00:55:36.000But in any case, what we're trying to do is our power to make them appeal to non traditional demographics.
00:55:44.000You know, that's why we're pushing things in TikTok or on college campuses or whatever.
00:55:49.000And, you know, a lot of people that follow me or that are America First happen to not be white or happen to not be Christian or whatever, but they all understand that there's a need to keep the cultural core of the country.
00:56:00.000And it doesn't mean that we don't want to appeal to people who deviate from the cultural core.
00:56:04.000But even people that deviate have an interest in keeping the cultural core because they recognize that, you know, the cultural core of America is the goose that laid the golden egg.
00:56:12.000In other words, you can't get rid of all the things that made America great and expect America to still be great for everybody inside.
00:56:52.000I can be genetically, have a different skin color.
00:56:54.000That doesn't mean I have a different culture necessarily.
00:56:58.000It's more often than not, this is the case.
00:57:01.000You know, people have brought up the example of black Americans or African Americans.
00:57:07.000I know there's a lot of controversy about what they're supposed to be called with that TikTok that went viral the other day, but I just call them blacks or whatever.
00:57:15.000If you look at black and white culture in America, is black and white culture the same?
00:57:29.000The point, I'm not saying they should have to or anything like that.
00:57:32.000I'm saying that even in the case of blacks and whites who have been on this continent for 500 years together, and obviously, Blacks came here under different circumstances than white people.
00:57:41.000But nevertheless, blacks have been on this continent with white people for 500 years.
00:57:46.000And they're not perfectly assimilated in the same way that anybody else is.
00:57:52.000And all this is to say that assimilation on a large scale is a much bigger ask than people think it is.
00:58:00.000People think it's like, oh, well, you watch Netflix and you buy Nike, therefore you're assimilated.
00:58:06.000But even today, race relations between blacks and whites have not been repaired and is not totally together.
00:58:11.000And they don't have a complete and In total monoculture.
00:58:14.000And it's, you know, all of that is to demonstrate that, appreciate this.
00:58:18.000If you look at any research on what non whites believe about the Constitution, the majority of non whites do not believe that we should have the right to bear arms.
00:58:27.000The majority of non whites believe that there should be hate speech legislation.
00:58:30.000The majority of non whites believe that we should have an interpretation of the Constitution, which is not an originalist interpretation.
00:58:37.000In other words, we should add things on or reinterpret it.
00:58:40.000Now, not obviously every single non white person believes that, but the majority of them do.
00:58:45.000And the majority of whites believe the opposite.
00:58:47.000And so, those kinds of attitudes shape the kind of country you live in.
00:58:51.000The agreement on having a Bill of Rights, the agreement on having freedom of speech or the right to bear arms or a constitution that is lasting and enduring and keeps its meaning through the generations, you know, that is like a meaningful difference.
00:59:03.000So, yeah, sure, maybe people in California like West Coast rap and people in New York City like Wu Tang Clan or Nas, you know, whatever, but they speak English and they vote and they believe in the, broadly speaking, they believe in the constitution and so on.
00:59:19.000You know, in every racial group, but the big picture stuff is the core that must be maintained to have a cohesive and orderly and stable country.
00:59:30.000I want to make a bring up one point though, and that's about the American culture, the one American culture that.
00:59:38.000So, just because those people generally don't always have the same viewpoints as white people, does that necessarily mean that they're wrong?
00:59:45.000I mean, I agree with what you're saying.
00:59:47.000Like, I agree with that they're wrong.
00:59:52.000Maybe not specifically with those examples because a lot of them are defined in the Constitution, but just because they have differing opinions, just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean that they're wrong.
01:00:00.000I agree with the standpoint you're getting at, but I'm just wondering.
01:00:02.000Well, it's not necessarily a question of whether they're wrong.
01:00:05.000It's just a question on how we're going to have a population that will perpetuate the kind of country that we want to live in.
01:00:13.000In other words, obviously, there are all kinds of people that are white liberals are against the Second Amendment, white liberals are against free speech in some cases.
01:00:22.000But the question is, you know, if America is to remain America, we cannot bring in populations that are biased in favor of things that are against America.
01:00:33.000You know, the people that are coming from Asia and Latin America, why do you think it is that they're in favor of the Constitution?
01:00:39.000Do you think they're coming here just to vote?
01:00:50.000You said you brought up that stuff about how the non whites generally are against the First Amendment, the Second Amendment, and the original writing of the Constitution.
01:01:49.000It's like, no, we don't have to deport everybody, but we have to start thinking about these things and beginning to come up with a solution or an answer or strategy starts with acknowledging what's happening.
01:01:59.000So, you know, and that's been my whole life as I'm over here saying, Isn't anybody worried about the fact that Texas is going blue?
01:02:05.000Isn't anybody worried about the fact that what's happening to Texas and Florida and Nevada is what happened in California?
01:02:10.000And like, we're never going to win again and we're going to lose everything we love.
01:02:13.000And people have told me, well, you know, even if it is, it's racist to acknowledge it or the solution must be necessarily bad or X, Y, and Z.
01:02:22.000We as conservatives must grapple with these things and try to figure out how we're going to survive in this new America that we've created.
01:02:33.000I'm just kind of like, Wondering who is us because you, when you refer to us, you refer to us as in like America, but as if we're like a Republican America, but not everybody in America is Republican.
01:02:44.000And while I am a conservative Republican and I believe in a lot of the same values as you, I don't necessarily think that we should suppress the people who have opposing views.
01:02:52.000I'm talking about we, the traditional American nation.
01:02:54.000And here's the problem I think we've conflated maybe large disagreements with small disagreements.
01:03:00.000You know, America's obviously been a democracy and been liberal and pluralistic and so on.
01:03:05.000But what we all agreed on, even Republicans and Democrats 100 years ago, is stuff that is now the subject of disagreement.
01:03:12.000You know, we're not talking about should we spend more money now in the government or less money.
01:03:18.000Tax policy, I mean, in some cases we are, but what the Democrats are talking about is we want to have a country that's not white, not Christian, doesn't speak English.
01:03:26.000Like they don't agree on the fundamentals.
01:03:28.000And so the question is if we don't agree on the fundamentals, then why be a country?
01:03:31.000Why would we all stick together as a country if you want a way of life and a vision that is mutually exclusive and incompatible with the country that I want to live in?
01:03:39.000And so it's not so simple as, oh, well, we disagree and suppressing disagreement.
01:03:43.000We can have disagreements, but I mean, they want drag queens reading stories to our children.
01:03:48.000They want our children to learn in schools about that.
01:05:01.000But are you wanting to do something kind of almost similar towards the Chinese Exclusion Act almost back when we had that kind of for almost a lot of other countries or just kind of say, all right, look, we need to stop immigration real quick, figure out what we got to do, and then reopen it?
01:05:42.000But, Nicholas, my question to you, man, is you keep saying we need to have like a monolith type or just a monoculture.
01:05:49.000The problem with that is, in the beginning, if it was more monoculture, black people weren't treated the same, and that was done by Protestant Christians.
01:05:56.000So, I guess my question to you is if it wasn't for people with opposing views, then we'd probably still be slaves given that same atmosphere and how everything was constructed and interpreted in the beginning of that Constitution.
01:06:10.000So, at what point are you taking what are you saying that's been interpreted wrong?
01:06:15.000And at what point will you say we went too far with the constitutional rights?
01:06:42.000But what was unique is that the Constitution and Declaration of Independence and Christianity actually paved the way for the abolition of slavery.
01:06:50.000And that's one of those things that is unique about Western white civilization that everybody shares in the advantage of this, the whole world, and even the people in the country.
01:06:58.000And what's different, and then that's actually a great point that you brought up because one of the main differences of these other people is they lack those foundations that would have led to something like that.
01:07:10.000I think the opposite is true that if we had had the attitudes of, Other civilizations, we would have never had freedom on the scale that we had or liberated people around the world.
01:07:20.000So I think it's actually quite the opposite.
01:07:21.000The people that are coming over, like Asians and Latin Americans, I think if anybody is more prone to regress in terms of humanitarianism or barbarism, I think it would be these other populations coming over.
01:07:33.000The only place where slavery still exists or one of the only, I mean, obviously exists everywhere, but on a massive scale is North Africa, is Libya in particular because of regime change, but that's another subject.
01:07:45.000The places where you still have slavery are the third world, and it's those cultures that we're bringing in.
01:07:50.000That's an example of a big disagreement.
01:07:52.000We can disagree about, you know, little things, not necessarily little things, but things that are within that cultural core, which includes the things that free the slaves and paved the way for civil liberties and so on.
01:08:03.000But the things that are coming over here are oppressive, totalitarian agendas.
01:08:07.000You know, I mean, look at Latin America, Asia.
01:08:10.000It's big government and bad big government.
01:08:12.000It's like totalitarian, oppressive big government.
01:08:15.000And they're bringing those attitudes here to replicate the barbaric things that we had in our past.
01:09:21.000But almost all of the immigrant families that I know are in.
01:09:26.000A good job that benefits our society, like a doctor or lawyer or in the Navy.
01:09:31.000Like, there's a lot of immigrants benefiting our country.
01:09:35.000Um, and I understand, I understand where you're coming from, but if you ban immigration, you're also banning people coming in from changing America for the better.
01:09:46.000Um, and I agree with, I forgot who said it earlier, but America, I believe, was made for people to come in to find refuge.
01:10:10.000Because what I'm hearing in a lot of these questions is the presupposition that, and I understand, but it's the perspective of the outsider, the foreigner.
01:10:20.000Well, what about these good foreigners, these good people from other countries who come here and make America better?
01:10:25.000What about people who want a job in America?
01:10:28.000But I'm sitting here, and that's why it's called America First, wondering.
01:10:31.000What about the good people in America?
01:10:33.000What about the people in America and what's good for them?
01:10:36.000And so, certainly, if we shut down immigration, there would be people deprived of opportunity or good people coming over here.
01:10:41.000But what's lost on a lot of people is that one argument that's made, and this is an example, is they will say that if you increase immigration, then GDP goes up.
01:10:51.000If you increase immigration, then the economy grows bigger and everybody's better off.
01:10:56.000But what they don't point out is that these numbers are actually different.
01:11:02.000But when you look at the natives versus the immigrants, the people that benefit and create that net benefit from immigration are the immigrants themselves.
01:11:10.000What is involved in that increase in value and that transfer is that the native population gets poorer while the immigrants get richer.
01:11:19.000And I don't think it's right that the government is looking out for the interests and the benefit of immigrants or foreigners instead of our own people.
01:11:27.000Because while people may come over here and do a lot of great things, you have to understand that there's a finite number of jobs.
01:11:33.000And so when you bring workers over here and bring labor over here, wages go down.
01:12:01.000Isn't it when, so let's say you're talking about immigrants and whatnot, if an immigrant comes over here legally and is deemed a U.S. citizen, isn't it then they're American, right?
01:12:11.000If they're getting jobs or whatnot, isn't America still technically looking after their own people?
01:12:16.000Well, I mean, I think that's sort of a technical way to look at it.
01:12:20.000I mean, if somebody comes over here and they have a baby, they become a naturalized U.S. citizen because of birthright citizenship.
01:12:27.000I mean, is that really like a fair way to say that they're an American?
01:12:31.000I mean, does citizenship equate with American identity?
01:12:42.000Somebody that goes through the immigration process, actually, you could say a legal immigrant, and therefore they come in and they get a job.
01:12:50.000Aren't they technically still part of America, even if they're only deemed an American citizen as of like a day ago?
01:12:56.000In a legal sense, but the point would remain the same.
01:12:59.000But the point where it would remain the same that the native population that is already here and has been, you know, if we're talking about from a point zero, you've got a person who is here and an immigrant, you know, we're talking about the end result, but every immigrant comes from another country.
01:13:13.000So, I mean, they may come from another country and benefit at the expense of a native, but I mean, does that mean that, oh, well, everybody's better off?
01:13:20.000The person that was a native and in the country and an American lost, and the person that came over from somewhere else, and, you know, then they got naturalized and so on, they won.
01:13:28.000But does that make it any less different that one is a foreigner and one is a native?
01:13:31.000I mean, you could say that after a million years, that's the case, but what matters after a million years?
01:13:36.000So, out of curiosity, you mentioned that legal immigrants come and they're successful, and that could take away from American citizens.
01:13:44.000Do you think that could have anything to do with?
01:13:48.000Legal immigrants working harder than American citizens?
01:13:53.000No, I'm not even talking about individuals.
01:13:57.000I'm just talking generally that we're not talking about, well, they're going to get advancement.
01:14:02.000I'm saying that if you look at labor economics, very simple supply and demand stuff, the more that you have of something, the less it is worth.
01:14:48.000There's 100 people waiting in line for your job.
01:14:50.000And that's essentially what has happened to both high and low skilled workers in this country for 50 years all workers have become expendable because if a company thinks they can get an advantage, they will import workers, high or low skilled, to take American jobs.
01:15:33.000Based on a percentage of their income?
01:15:35.000I don't have the exact document, but we pay a lower percentage.
01:15:39.000Of our income on food, just on basic necessities, than any other country in the developed world.
01:15:46.000Now, part of that is because we have laborers that are willing to do things for cheaper.
01:15:53.000And just coming from the perspective of a farmer, it's a lot easier to hire someone and a lot better off for the business of the farmer and for the American people so they aren't spending as much of their money on their food.
01:16:11.000To hire someone that may be here with a green card to come and harvest a crop or help take care of a crop versus a man $15 an hour for the same amount of work.
01:16:24.000So, I mean, to say that it's actually hurting America, I can actually see where economically that decreasing the amount of immigrants and the amount of people that are here working holding green cards would end up hurting America more because of the amount of cost increases that it would create.
01:16:42.000Not to mention, if we have most businesses, if they have to increase wages, they're just going to modernize and put in kiosks or other ways to limit unskilled labor to where they don't have to raise the costs on their customers so they can continue providing that good or service.
01:17:04.000So, I guess my point here is that I can see your point, but I can also see where your point becomes invalid when we start discussing the modernization of industry and how technology.
01:17:20.000Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up because agriculture is really interesting to me.
01:17:25.000Agriculture is, you know, a lot of people I would say, and maybe you could tell me if this is right or wrong, but I know people that work in agriculture and will work in politics and they deal with agriculture.
01:17:36.000And they tell me that, you know, the perception of farmers in America is like Farmer Brown tending to his fields.
01:17:42.000And generally, farming is a lot of factory farming and major industry, big business type stuff.
01:17:48.000There's no such thing as a factory farm.
01:19:05.000The point I'm trying to make is that agriculture is one of the biggest fat cats that there is.
01:19:10.000And a lot of conservatives like to talk about, you know, the farmer and all this kind of stuff, but, or even things like welfare or whatever, bailouts.
01:19:17.000But agriculture is one of the biggest fat cats, one of the biggest beneficiaries of welfare in the country in the form of subsidies.
01:19:35.000Especially not politically, is the point.
01:19:38.000And when you're talking about workers, when you're talking about illegal farm workers, you're talking about probably the biggest incidence of migrants taking American jobs.
01:19:52.000Primarily, and firstly, like you said, it comes at the cost of American workers.
01:19:56.000We could pay Americans a higher wage to do the jobs that illegals do, but farmers would like to pay a lower wage and often break the law and hire illegals.
01:20:05.000And I understand there are visas and there are all kinds of things that have been done to help them cut corners, but agriculture is one of the biggest hypocrisies.
01:20:14.000And I hear all this kind of stuff from, and I know because I was in politics, from Republicans that are against welfare and they're constitutionalists, but agriculture gets all this welfare and they hire illegals.
01:20:25.000And by the way, though, the cost isn't just in terms of jobs, that's one of the best examples of you could hire Americans for a higher wage, but instead you hire foreigners for a lower wage.
01:20:33.000And maybe you save a little bit, maybe the Americans save a little bit.
01:20:37.000I'd prefer to pay a little bit more and have Americans working.
01:20:40.000But even beyond that, the cost is greater.
01:20:42.000Did you know, you ever hear the story about Molly Tibbetts?
01:20:50.000And she was murdered by an illegal immigrant, chopped up.
01:20:53.000And it turned out that that illegal immigrant, it was very much similar to Kate Steinle, the illegal immigrant that killed her was working in a dairy plant.
01:21:00.000And that dairy plant that he worked at was owned by one of the biggest donors to the Republican Party in Iowa.
01:21:06.000And to me, that is a horrible tragedy.
01:21:09.000But that is a perfect example of what is going on in the Republican Party and everything that I oppose.
01:21:13.000Because certainly these people that they're bringing in are cheaper and they're better for the bottom line.
01:21:18.000And I'm sure that some of that benefit goes towards the American people.
01:21:22.000Oh, it does definitely go towards the American consumer.
01:21:48.000And by the way, I don't think the economic cost is justified.
01:21:51.000I don't think any of the cost is justified.
01:21:53.000How about instead of bringing over migrant workers, we could say we will not bring over murderers or drug dealers or rapists or even just straight up workers.
01:22:01.000We'll hire American people and we'll pay a little bit more.
01:22:04.000I would be fine with paying a little bit more.
01:22:06.000America is a rich country, we are a wealthy country, and we need to start looking out for our producers and our workers and not just the consumers, because that's a big problem with conservative economics, this is primarily concerned with the consumers.
01:22:18.000Never mind all these towns that have been destroyed in the heartland of the country because the factories and manufacturing has gone overseas.
01:22:29.000Well, you know, tell all the people that are killing themselves or dying of opioids because their town was hollowed out and destroyed that it was worth it because now I can go and buy a 52 inch TV for $300.
01:23:07.000And I honestly have yet to see any large number of immigrant or someone that a migrant worker that was actually not better well behaved than most Americans.
01:23:20.000Because as part of, you know, us keeping some of these green card holders in our employ, we'd provide them with a place to live and they would keep that place spotless.
01:23:31.000And, you know, there was hardly any ever, I mean, I don't even think we ever had any incidents of drug use.
01:23:37.000I think the most that we could ever say is sometimes I had a few too many beers, but that's just anyone.
01:23:44.000So, I mean, I think that you're talking about an overwhelming minority of people when they immigrate.
01:23:52.000And this is not so much focused towards people that are illegal as it is people that come here legally by saying that they're bringing crime with them.
01:24:02.000And, you know, I do, and I mean, I do take issue with some of the things that you.
01:24:07.000Have said about agriculture because there are a lot of farmers that would not be able to function without some of the government programs because you have to have crop insurance if your crop fails.
01:24:17.000Otherwise, you lose thousands of acres of land.
01:24:20.000Now, do I think that other things should be subsidized?
01:24:24.000But we do have to, our food supply is a national security issue because if we do not have a decent, affordable food supply, that's the first thing that can lead to some sort of revolution or some sort of uprising.
01:24:40.000Not importing a population of barbarians from across the border.
01:24:48.000The Cato Institute did a study and they found that if you take away, like, them crossing the border thing, like, they commit, like, less crimes than natural born citizens once they're here.
01:24:59.000That data from the Cato Institute is self reported.
01:25:01.000If you're looking at John Lott, a criminologist who looks at pre sentencing data, they commit a vastly disproportionate amount in Arizona and in other states.
01:25:09.000So the data, the methodology, the methodology, Which are not territorial areas.
01:25:14.000And that is because you can't just look at Arizona.
01:25:18.000And that is because the Cato Institute is a libertarian think tank that is funded by big business.
01:25:22.000American Enterprise Institute, Cato Institute, they're all the same.
01:25:26.000They're getting paid to write this kind of stuff.
01:25:28.000And, you know, you look at, and even like Amnesty International, our government, they will tell you that the rape rate on the border is like 70% of women illegally crossing the border, 70% of them get raped.
01:25:41.000And like, who's doing the raping down there?
01:25:46.000And the crime rate is spiking in Arizona and California, all over.
01:25:50.000And it's because of illegal immigrants.
01:25:52.000And, you know, maybe you live on a farm or something, but I live a little bit outside of Chicago.
01:25:57.000And I can tell you that you don't want to be caught in certain neighborhoods after dark in Chicago.
01:26:01.000And these are the people who are bringing over.
01:26:03.000And you could say that, well, the farmer ones are, you know, they're much more well behaved.
01:26:07.000But I can assure you that anybody who lives near one of these neighborhoods could tell you and paint a very different picture of a different standard of living and a different quality of life.
01:26:17.000You know, you want to talk about like, and I take, you know, I take, you know, a lot of, I guess, it pertains to me a lot more, I guess, is what I'm trying to say.
01:26:28.000But because I live in a town where our university in town, I could get a minority scholarship to go to that university, you know?
01:26:36.000And so does that necessarily mean that just because I live in a town where I am the minority, does that make me upset?
01:26:54.000Because, truth be told, what it comes down to is you're going to have crime centralized in areas because whenever crime begins to come on and, like, I guess, wave on each other, you know, it comes in waves.
01:27:35.000And I would also add, and you could check that out, Table 42 of FBI crime statistics will show you the disproportionality in violent crimes committed by whites versus non white groups.
01:27:45.000But I would even expand it even further if we're talking about immigration and look at the crime rates in these countries where the people are coming from.
01:30:34.000The south side of Chicago is the same way.
01:30:36.000Now, we could point to, oh, well, but this time it was this or that time it was that.
01:30:40.000But the experience is the same across the world.
01:30:42.000It's across the world in different areas, in different economic categories, and depending on different historical factors.
01:30:49.000Are we supposed to believe that, well, because of a conspiracy of random events, these people are just not well off everywhere they reside?
01:31:53.000So, we're just going to ignore the whole Jim Crow, right?
01:31:57.000So, we ain't going to look back on during that time period when black people were not committing the most crime, but it was actually white people murdering, killing, ranting, throwing, feeding babies to alligators, going up and burning down Tulsa, Oklahoma, bombing all these things.
01:32:12.000You know, they did government experiments on black people.
01:32:19.000So, my question is how do you justify them being more violent during that time and not being a natural?
01:32:26.000I guess, proponent of their race, but now all of a sudden, us being violent in Detroit and certain areas in America, that's because of our race.
01:32:43.000I think we should let Nick respond to that.
01:32:53.000I understand what you're saying, and people can come up with a variety of explanations for why what we're talking about fundamentally is disparities.
01:33:00.000We're talking about disparities between races in wealth, in standards of living, in crime.
01:33:06.000And the question is, what is causing these disparities?
01:33:35.000This question matters, and it's not racist to ask this question.
01:33:38.000We acknowledge that these disparities exist, and we must inquire why.
01:33:41.000Because if we're going to live in a multiracial country, we have to get to the bottom of why some are doing well and some are doing not well.
01:33:47.000We have to get to the bottom of why some are rich and some are poor, but between these different racial groups.
01:33:52.000And we can come up with different explanations, for example, that are historical and sociological.
01:33:58.000And I'm not trying to say that none of those are true or none of those play a part, because we could look at Jim Crow and slavery, and obviously, obviously, A freed slave in 1965 is not going to be economically at parity with a white person.
01:34:15.000And we can agree that even still, 100 years later, under Jim Crow, how could somebody under discriminatory laws achieve economic parity with the majority population?
01:34:34.000They did experiments on blacks and, you know, they did some stuff with drugs.
01:34:38.000So, you know, without getting too much into that, I agree that those are factors.
01:34:43.000But What I'm talking about, and this is where I think a lot of people just run away from right away.
01:34:49.000And I just told you, I don't have a problem with any other person, depending on the color, whatever, but we are talking about the fact that human biodiversity is real, that there are group differences.
01:35:01.000And if that's a stretch for a lot of people, I want to just tell you Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, Steve Pinker, all these major people agree.
01:35:10.000The science on this is uncontroversial, that there are differences between the groups.
01:35:14.000And we're not talking about, but we're talking about.
01:35:17.000Ben Shapiro does not agree with you, Nick.
01:35:48.000y You know, black people might be more athletic than white people.
01:35:52.000We heard this one because I don't want to get into that one, but just as an example, and people are willing to acknowledge some of these differences.
01:35:58.000People might say, well, Asian people are shorter than white people, or, you know, Dutch people are tall, or things like this.
01:36:05.000So we acknowledge that there are racial differences there, but there are other racial differences.
01:36:09.000There are differences in terms of, like, black people, for example, have more fast twitch muscle fiber than white people.
01:38:31.000So, you're saying people from certain races are born genetically, think like with genetics, genetically disposed or whatever the language is.
01:38:39.000I'm not good with big words that, okay, because I'm this, because I'm born with this in this type of area, I'm going to commit this crime.
01:38:46.000Because I don't think someone's born with the fact of okay, I'm black, I'm gonna go out and join a gang, or I'm white, I'm gonna go in the mafia, or I'm going to the KKK, I'm Mexican, I'm going to MS 13.
01:38:55.000I don't think anybody does that because genetically that just that literally doesn't line up with genetics because that's not how it does.
01:39:38.000And this is not, you know, you guys just have to, I think, you know, be a little open minded here for once.
01:39:45.000If we as conservatives and liberals can be a little open minded, what I'm saying is.
01:39:50.000Simply, that if we can acknowledge that these differences are real and the differences are meaningful, then they create different outcomes.
01:39:57.000They create different patterns of behavior.
01:39:59.000And if you look at average IQ, and some of you guys are not going to like this, but the average IQ of blacks in this country is 85.
01:40:06.000The average IQ of West Africans is 65.
01:40:10.000And this is scientific, this is backed up by the data.
01:40:13.000If you want to see it, I can produce it.
01:40:15.000I don't have it in front of me right now, but I can produce it on another stream.
01:40:21.000And this is why you see these disparities.
01:40:23.000And if we want to address the disparities, we have to address the causes of them.
01:40:27.000And you don't get any points by, oh, well, it's racist to say that or it's racist to say that.
01:40:31.000I'm looking at this as a problem solver that says if we want to achieve any level of harmony or equality between the people, we have to address the root causes.
01:40:39.000And if the root causes are genetic, then so be it.
01:40:42.000If that's the fact, those are the facts.
01:40:44.000You could say that's racist, but I thought facts don't care about our feelings.
01:40:47.000So you talk about, well, but the problem is that's not a fact.
01:41:04.000We literally raided things because it was fun and we got bored in the ice.
01:41:07.000So if you heard of the warrior gene, hold on.
01:41:10.000Wait, if you want to talk about the warrior gene, how come half the Norwegian and Norse people don't go around carrying battle axes, killing people on the streets?
01:41:18.000Because we're not talking about just a generic, oh, you're warriors, you have the war.
01:41:25.000That's not like a colloquial expression.
01:41:39.000And then the other thing about the whole genetic thing is this you're telling me, if, like I said, if it's a genetic thing, you're telling me if we were to take a black baby and put them with the Mexican family, right?
01:41:49.000Or if we take a white baby and put them with the black family, or, you know, so on and so forth, you're saying that it's going to be the same outcome just because they're born with this genetic, not a race, just because they're born with this genetic, that therefore they're going to act as.
01:42:00.000They would if they were still with whatever family, right?
01:42:03.000Well, I didn't say, first of all, I'll interject.
01:42:56.000So, the only thing that would be considered genetic, in my opinion, is psychopathy and sociopathy, because that has something to do with your brain, mental, you can get it through genes, et cetera.
01:43:06.000According to, this was cited multiple times, I think over 400 times by the Institute of Bioscience, although considerable research on psychopathy.
01:43:16.000Has been conducted over the past 30 years.
01:43:18.000Relatively few studies have been conducted.
01:43:21.000However, this is specifically on blacks and whites.
01:43:25.000Blacks exceeded whites by an average of less than one point on the PCLR scale, which is statistically, there is no scientific and statistic data that blacks have this gene more than whites.
01:43:44.000And that's what you're not talking about IQ.
01:43:46.000You're not disproving my point by bringing up something.
01:44:03.000You're trying to disprove my point by bringing up something I didn't bring up.
01:44:06.000No, but I'm trying to say that this is the only genetic predisposition someone would have psychopathy, and there is no scientific evidence that being a different ethnicity is going to raise your chances of being a psychopath or a sociopath.
01:44:20.000But that's not what we're talking about.
01:44:22.000Psychopaths are more likely to commit crimes, and psychopaths are more likely to commit crimes.
01:44:29.000You should talk less because you don't know what you're talking about.
01:44:33.000So, because I'm a woman, I should talk less.
01:44:35.000I just pulled up a liberal argument from the Institute of Identity.
01:45:37.000I acknowledge that this is a factor in some of these disparities.
01:45:40.000But I think the extent to which that plays a part is vastly overstated because there is discrimination against a variety of groups that have succeeded in spite of that.
01:45:49.000There has been discrimination against Jewish people in America, and they have succeeded in spite of that.
01:45:53.000There's discrimination against Chinese people.
01:45:57.000People can succeed in spite of discrimination.
01:46:00.000That's not to say it doesn't play a part, but I think the extent to which people attribute these differences to those discrimination and other things is overstated.
01:46:10.000And I think that I'm being very charitable in the way of that and acknowledging a holistic answer for what causes these things.
01:46:18.000And you guys refuse to engage with genetics.
01:46:21.000But there is a stronger basis for genetic IQ than a lot of things.
01:46:24.000And IQ is a major determinant in the future.
01:46:43.000Is there any statistic that proves that first generation non white immigrants are less successful than first generation white immigrants or Asians?
01:46:51.000I have looked at statistics, which I know off the top of my head from Jason Richwine, which show that if you're looking at Hispanic immigrants in particular, they, in general, on average, will arrive to the country with a lower level of education, a lower level of net worth.
01:47:06.000Lower level of income and literacy, and this improved than the native population.
01:47:11.000And it will increase slightly in the second generation, but it doesn't get much better after the second generation.
01:47:17.000What about first generation, like African, other than Hispanic or South American immigrants?
01:47:28.000In some cases, what you'll find is that the problem with some immigration, with, for example, the diversity visa lottery, is that the immigration is self selected.
01:48:21.000And by the way, we're not even talking about those minorities of people.
01:48:26.000If you want to bring over, you know, I think there's like certain categories of immigrants that are like, you know, highly educated or extreme specialists in their field, you know, maybe we could talk about bringing those people in.
01:48:38.000But what we're talking about is massive amounts of people.
01:48:41.000We're not talking about, you know, 10,000 people from one country from the diversity visa lottery.
01:48:46.000We're talking about 60 million people over 60 years.
01:48:50.000These are broad swaths of people and illegals that we don't even know who they are.
01:48:54.000And so when we average those out, you tend to get a lower quality immigrant.
01:48:59.000And moreover, I'm not making the argument that, well, if they're high IQ and et cetera, then they're okay.
01:49:05.000I've made cultural and social arguments.
01:49:06.000But if we're talking about these disparities in crime, we can't attribute them to genetics.
01:49:11.000I'm still waiting to hear a scientific study on.
01:49:34.000I feel like, because even if that's true, right, how do we go forward?
01:49:39.000So if you're saying naturally we're at a, you know, we just have lower IQ, we're not going to be as successful, we're going to struggle a little bit more.
01:50:40.000I find that uncomfortable and it's not a great thing.
01:50:43.000But if we want to help people, we have to look at the facts.
01:50:49.000You know, if it is, let's say hypothetically, it's proven that these differences are 100% genetic, then we're wasting a lot of time attributing it to other things.
01:50:58.000Then, affirmative action, all these things are wasted time.
01:51:00.000We should be trying to figure out how to elevate them in other ways.
01:51:05.000So, how do we move forward knowing this?
01:51:07.000Well, then, well, for starters, we have to balance the need to keep our country safe versus the need to help people, right?
01:51:14.000I mean, if there are people out there that are killing and doing all kinds of things, it's like, well, let's put them behind bars before we figure out how they're going to get ahead in the world.
01:51:21.000And I agree, we could figure out things like that.
01:51:24.000You know, I think like if you look at, what was it, Booker T. Washington back in the day, they had some solutions about, you know, taking some of these communities and having them get educated and start families because the black community was actually doing a lot better.
01:51:48.000Some people attribute that to the Great Society in the late 60s, but I think largely it's from, you know, civil rights.
01:51:55.000And I'm not saying civil rights is a bad thing or it shouldn't happen, but I'm, you know, just pointing out where these trends began.
01:51:59.000The black family was together, the crime rates were lower, unemployment was lower.
01:52:03.000And I think that if we were to bring that back and look at a lot of these genetic factors and family based factors and maximizing success, then we'd be okay.
01:52:12.000But you know what doesn't work is saying, oh, you're poor?
01:52:22.000You know that exacerbates the problems.
01:52:24.000So, you know, I think that's the solution.
01:52:26.000I think we could all get along together and everybody's equal in that sense.
01:52:29.000But we have to get serious about problems.
01:52:31.000And getting serious about problems means looking at the facts and addressing the real problems, not fake ones we come up with to make ourselves feel good.
01:52:56.000And like, just for the sake of not being called racist, for Mexicans, the average IQ, if you're from Mexico, I don't think it has anything to do with race or color or anything.
01:53:04.000If you're from Mexico, your average IQ is 89.
01:53:07.000It has an entire country breakdown, and it's all based off of genetics from.
01:53:13.000What happened earlier in generations in that said area?
01:53:16.000When people come to America, their average IQ slightly raises because of environmental things, and it's slowly going to continue to get better through time.
01:53:34.000It's based off of the point A. You're taking the point A of the fact that there are differences, and then you're saying those are due to genetics.
01:53:42.000You've yet to prove how intelligence is genetically related.
01:53:45.000You just said yourself when they move countries, their IQ can go up.
01:54:07.000So, look, if you're well, I've read the bell curse, I understand where you're coming from, right?
01:54:11.000I've read part, I haven't read the whole thing like you have.
01:54:13.000I've read parts of it, probably a good three fourths of it.
01:54:16.000And I'm not calling you, Nicholas, you racist, right?
01:54:18.000I'm not saying that what you're trying to say about the race is strictly racist, but I'm saying so.
01:54:23.000That we're going to talk about intelligence, right?
01:54:25.000Like I was saying earlier, if you're going to take, let's say, a kid that was born in Mexico the day he was born, right?
01:54:32.000We take him, we put him in, you know, just whatever you consider a decent American school because, yeah, American public school systems suck terribly.
01:55:49.000Okay, East Indian or whatever, you know, but white, white, you know, is what the, like, I guess, what we've compared to the most in this conversation.
01:55:57.000So, and that's, and that's, I guess that's why I use that example.
01:56:00.000But, you know, to say that, you know, just because you're this race, you're dumb or dumber than, you know, somebody else.
01:57:05.000We're talking about, and that's how we have to think because we're a big country and we're talking about big populations moving in.
01:57:10.000We have to think about groups and not individuals.
01:57:13.000There are many intelligent non white people.
01:57:15.000That's not what we're saying that that's impossible.
01:57:16.000We're just saying, on average, we have to grapple with these groups and think about these numbers as we change the racial constitution or composition of our country.
01:57:27.000I'm just saying, I know a lot of white folks are dumber than rocks, especially being out here.
01:57:32.000Especially being out here from the sticks, boss.
01:57:34.000So, in that case, we should have more East Indians here than white people.
01:57:38.000No, no, because we're not saying that East Asians do have a higher average IQ than whites, but we're not saying that it's an IQ test to get in the country.
01:57:46.000We're simply because the problem with immigration is not that they're low IQ or whatever.
01:59:30.000Um, I just wanted to say, really, I am disturbed that most of you guys are accepting what Nick has said is fact when almost everything he said is complete, and I can prove it.
02:00:02.000And what he conveniently leaves out is that when that book was published, when the bell curve was published, it created such an uproar and a backlash that the people that wrote it, I think there have been something like 20 book length rebuttals written to the bell curve just because it's complete bullshit.
02:00:21.000It's not backed up by any real scientific data.
02:00:24.000The bell curve assumes that the quotient G, general intelligence, is a thing that exists.
02:00:29.000And it assumes you can perfectly measure intelligence with a number, which you can't.
02:00:34.000But even if we assume that to be true, which again, it's not, so the entire premise of the bell curve is false.
02:00:41.000Even the authors of the bell curve say that at maximum, only 40% of your intelligence is genetically based.
02:00:50.000So even if we take the main source that Fuentes is using here and assume everything in it to be completely correct, which it's not, most of it is based off of IQ tests done in the 1800s where they went to Africa.
02:01:04.000And they asked people, what is a saucer?
02:01:07.000You know, like the thing you put a teacup on.
02:01:10.000And if they said they didn't know, they're like, oh, you're not smart.
02:01:13.000Obviously, someone living in Africa who has never been to Europe would not know what a fucking saucer is.
02:02:18.000Like he talks about how, oh, facts can't be racist, but the fact that he's using is complete bullshit and is not based on real science.
02:02:28.000You can't just call something a fact because you like what it has to say.
02:02:33.000What he's doing is he's doing the reverse.
02:02:36.000What he's doing is he's starting with a racist idea that blacks are below whites and that other cultures are below white people.
02:02:43.000And then he's cherry picking the bad data that is based on terrible, terrible science.
02:02:48.000To back it up, where what you should be doing is looking at the real data over here and then building your view off of that.
02:02:55.000But what Fuentes is doing is that he's doing the exact opposite.
02:02:59.000He's starting with the assumption that black people are inferior, and then he's going in trying to defend that with books like The Bell Curve, which are just factually incorrect.
02:03:53.000This, if you have anything else that has up with the uh intelligence thing, this is the last thing because we've talked about this for long.
02:04:00.000Can I just stay unmuted for one second so I can hear his rebuttal and respond?
02:04:04.000And also, I just want to say, I don't think an argument that inherently treats races of people as below other people and a racist argument, I don't think that deserves civility.
02:04:17.000I don't think we have to entertain and we have to be civil about the possibility of race.
02:04:24.000I don't think we have to have a productive discussion.
02:04:53.000Yeah, I would consider myself far left.
02:04:56.000You know, I mostly just came here to watch, but I was pretty disturbed that all these racist ideas that are factually incorrect, even though he likes to think they are, were not being challenged properly.
02:05:10.000We're not challenging them properly because we all collectively have a rather popular following and we can't really give pushback if we don't have the information at hand because we can't say things that may not be factually correct.
02:05:41.000So, in the first place, I want to acknowledge that you are a leftist.
02:05:44.000And I want to say that, I mean, really the argument comes from what you accuse me of doing is what you have done actually instead.
02:05:51.000You say, well, you started from a racist conclusion and worked your way backwards to justify it.
02:05:57.000And you have essentially done the opposite.
02:05:59.000You have started with the conclusion that equality is total and complete.
02:06:03.000There are no genetic causes for IQ, there are no group differences in IQ.
02:06:08.000I'm going to go to imright.com and, you know, blah, blah, blah.
02:06:12.000And so I will just say that everything you're accusing me of doing, you have done.
02:06:15.000And this is what most people do on this subject is, you know, even this guy who keeps saying, wait a second, I'll let you finish.
02:06:21.000This other guy who keeps saying, there's no scientific evidence, this one guy who won't even put his face on the camera, there's no scientific evidence, blah, blah, blah.
02:06:30.000You don't know who you're talking about, but people refuse to believe something that causes cognitive dissonance and goes against what they've believed for 20 years.
02:06:38.000So I just want to point that out right away.
02:06:39.000And I also want to say, I haven't assumed anybody's intentions or motivations here.
02:06:43.000And I find it very nasty and not civil that people come here and say, Oh, well, you're racist or you're right, you know, whatever.
02:06:49.000You know, you worked your way backwards.
02:06:52.000I want to say that I was a libertarian when I was in high school.
02:07:04.000Everybody's equal, hate racism, libertarian, whatever.
02:07:07.000But what happened is data came crashing down on my worldview.
02:07:13.000And all this stuff, the scholarship, which has been buried for so long, came to my attention.
02:07:19.000I changed my opinion based on the data.
02:07:21.000Because I do think it would be easier or harder for me to go into the world as somebody talking like this or somebody talking like everybody else.
02:08:15.000We could have a debate on that another time.
02:08:17.000I thought people were just asking me questions.
02:08:18.000But anyway, even though you say that's my main source and it isn't, it never was my main source, that there are refutations to a source does not mean the source is invalid.
02:08:28.000Oh, well, This was such bullshit that people responded and said it was untrue.
02:08:36.000So, I mean, that is just a non starter to begin with.
02:08:38.000And then you go on and say, well, the problem is G, the problem is general intelligence.
02:08:43.000And you say that the problem is the way the tests were administered.
02:08:46.000I know for a fact that I will produce this as soon as I get a minute off stream.
02:08:49.000Like I said, don't have it in front of me that there have been tests of all varieties administered to all different groups that are completely abstract without language, they use symbols.
02:08:59.000They're without any kind of cultural bias.
02:09:02.000So you're not, so you say, oh, well, the only tests that have ever been done on IQ were 200 years ago.
02:09:07.000I'm talking about saucers, something obviously colored by culture, but there have been enough, there's so much scholarship on IQ measured in a variety of ways by a variety of different tests and tests that don't use language even.
02:09:40.000So for you to come over here and say, I'm actually, you know, I don't know what background you're from, but I'm this left wing communist and you're just a white supremacist and I'm making new assumptions about your intentions is wrong.
02:09:51.000And this is the problem with the discourse.
02:09:53.000Why do you think it is that people get buried in an avalanche and all mainstream people agree that race and IQ doesn't exist?
02:10:00.000It's because of these social functions and everybody wants to pretend that social pressure does not affect scholarship.
02:10:05.000Do you think scientists all go out there and say, I'm going to discover the truth, whatever the cost.
02:10:32.000Whatever is inconvenient for the liberal narrative is buried because all academics and scholars know that if you produce a politically incorrect report or result, Then your career's over and you're done.
02:11:14.000Even though you see, you accuse me of assuming your intentions, and then you just end it with, oh, he's an evil leftist who wants to destroy us.
02:12:55.000If anything, creating a controversial opinion that makes you stand out and appeals to a certain group of people, racist people, will make you money.
02:13:27.000If anything, your career gets made by creating this controversial topic.
02:13:32.000So, I disagree with your assertion that all scientists and all researchers fake data because it would hurt them in some way and cause a negative effect if they dare to disagree with the liberals.
02:13:45.000And I think that's a very common misconception.
02:13:48.000And when you look at real data, you see that that's not true.
02:13:53.000And just thinking about it logically like, if someone told you a controversial opinion, that would get your attention.
02:13:59.000If someone told you a non controversial opinion, that wouldn't matter.
02:14:03.000And finally, when I said that a lot of people disagreed, I didn't just say a lot of people disagreed.
02:14:08.000I said the scientific community disagreed, as in the actual facts and data that we've compiled does not agree with the conclusions presented in the bell curve.
02:14:20.000And it does not agree with the conclusion that there is a significant genetically caused IQ difference between races of people.
02:14:45.000And I think it is kind of disingenuous of you to generalize the entire scientific community and this wealth of knowledge and data that we have that disagrees with you as just simply biased and then ignore it.
02:15:40.000But if you had started and taken a look at the whole range of data that we have and the whole range of studies that we have, you would come to the exact opposite conclusion.
02:15:51.000Because the simple fact of the matter is, and there has been polling that's been done on this among anthropologists, among psychologists, among all these different scientific communities, and a majority of them always say that your opinion is wrong and that your opinion is based on bad data.
02:16:09.000That is simply not true and heavily appeal to authority, as well.
02:16:14.000I'm appealing to the people that know what they're talking about and they can say that you're wrong.
02:16:18.000People that are not scientists, people that are not IQ specialists.
02:16:21.000I'm sorry, but like facts don't care about your feelings, okay?
02:16:24.000The fact is, I don't care about your anthropologists, I care about people that are experts in genetics and IQ.
02:16:32.000And I'm waiting to hear this wealth of data.
02:16:35.000I mean, you said, like, oh, well, a bunch of guys said it's so, case, I'm waiting to hear this data, but in any case.
02:16:43.000But in any case, the point which I'm trying to make, which I guess we've moved on to now, is that of course, of course, people get excoriated if they come up with the wrong conclusions.
02:16:54.000And I've heard this throughout my whole life.
02:16:56.000People have told me, well, I'm getting banned from PayPal.
02:17:27.000And you could document many cases of people that have said heterodox things about science and they've got their lives.
02:17:34.000James Watson was the example I brought up.
02:17:36.000James Watson, who discovered the structure of DNA, has all his honorary titles and Nobel Prize revoked because he says he suggested that there could be a genetic link between race and IQ.
02:17:47.000And it's obvious it was incorrect because you can disagree in science.
02:17:50.000It was because it was politically incorrect.
02:17:52.000And that has happened to most of the people I know Jared Taylor, that happened to Sam Francis, Peter Brimelow.
02:17:58.000Sam Francis was one of the best writers at the Washington Times.
02:18:01.000Until he started to talk about white identity politics.
02:18:03.000And then he got fired and nobody wanted to hire him and he couldn't make any money and he died like poor and alone.
02:18:08.000And this happens to many people that tell the truth.
02:18:10.000And liberals are the first one to acknowledge this when it's like Galileo.
02:18:13.000Remember when the church oppressed all the scientists?
02:18:16.000But now, oh, no, no, there's no church anymore.
02:18:18.000Anybody can say whatever they want unless they say something we don't like.
02:18:21.000So I'm, you know, that is just ridiculous.
02:18:23.000I don't even know why you would contest that.
02:18:25.000And in any case, the data is overwhelmingly on the side of genetic basis for race.
02:18:31.000And like I said, where I didn't know we were coming to a Debate on race and IQ, so I don't have the paperwork in front of me.
02:19:57.000I bet you maybe a lot of people watching this or in this room might agree with me, but they'll never say it because it would go against their career.
02:20:04.000So people can say that, but they don't act like it.
02:21:28.000Someone said, can we just talk about LGBTQ rights?
02:21:31.000I mean, there's such a thing as human rights.
02:21:34.000And I think some people that I just realized my mic's been muted.
02:21:37.000I think people that morally, morally, like, morally, I don't agree with any of that stuff, but I'm not going to, you know, mean to just because of it.
02:21:48.000Now, if you're in my face about it and you're thinking you should fundamentally change certain things of the law to curve to maybe an advantage towards you, then that's where we're going to have a problem.
02:21:58.000Morality aside, you know, You can't just almost get out of control with it and have more advantages than there are straight, whatever cis, whatever you want to call people that aren't, you know, of or support that or are in that community.
02:22:16.000So that's where I would stand on the rights.
02:22:18.000I think everyone should have human equal rights, and I think they do, but people also have the right to refuse things because of what an organization or what people belong to.
02:24:06.000People's preferences arise from unconscious factors or involuntary factors, but whether or not to act on them is a choice.
02:24:14.000And so we're talking about homosexuals, a same sex attracted person is different than someone who engages in homosexual sex.
02:24:22.000And so that's a distinction I would make.
02:24:24.000And under that, I mean, everybody should have legal protections if you're attracted to whoever or whatever, but the question becomes when you act.
02:24:32.000And when you act, then it's different.
02:24:34.000Yeah, but couldn't you apply that to gender as well?
02:24:37.000And like sex, like your identity is male, but you Kind of choose if you want to act on it.
02:25:24.000If you're coming from a moral standpoint, dog, there's going to be so many different opinions because a lot of people have different morals.
02:25:32.000So you'll never get someone to sway off of pure morals.
02:25:35.000Now, if you want to talk about the gender and sex difference, you can say it's scientific.
02:25:40.000It is definitely a very moral question.
02:25:42.000So you're never going to get someone to disagree.
02:25:45.000If they have different morals, unless you can really sway them, you're not going to get someone to really 100% disagree if you just come ahead.
02:26:32.000I just want to say, like, as a Christian, yeah, like, I disagree with homosexuality, but it's like, it's not up to us to decide, and we shouldn't be saying, like, it's not a very Christian thing to say that everyone should be Christian.
02:26:44.000Like, yeah, I think it's a great religion, but no, you can't tell people how to live their lives, though.
02:28:43.000I'm just saying, in the basic sense of our law and how society views certain things, a lot of the morals in America come from Christian values.
02:29:11.000So, Nick, can I address something real quick with the statement that you made?
02:29:16.000Because I do take my Christian faith very seriously.
02:29:23.000And with my political values, I try not to make the assumption that my political values have to be based upon my religion.
02:29:37.000So, here's the truth that we need to understand as Christians.
02:29:41.000And this is talking from a Christian standpoint is that We are supposed to teach, we're not supposed to direct.
02:29:49.000So, by saying that everybody needs to be Christian, by saying that everybody has to be straight, that's not, you know, trying to do it is a totally different thing than just trying to say that, okay, we don't agree with that.
02:30:08.000But it is an imperative that, I mean, if you're a Christian, I mean, we are the body of the church.
02:30:15.000And so, it's not like this, you know, I'm Catholic.
02:30:18.000And I know it is broadly speaking, a Christian country, which we just went over.
02:30:22.000But the Catholic interpretation is that it's not just about the salvation of the individual, but the collective salvation.
02:30:28.000And so we want everybody else to be Christian.
02:30:31.000Now, that doesn't mean I want the government to say, oh, you're not Christian, jail.
02:30:35.000I mean, well, maybe that would be nice.
02:30:36.000But I don't think that, I don't want that to happen.
02:30:42.000The point I'm trying to make is that we are called to say that, I mean, yes, if you're Christian, you believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
02:31:27.000It's children being exposed to pornography.
02:31:30.000It's children being exposed to adultery.
02:31:32.000Children being exposed to homosexuality.
02:31:34.000And their souls are damned to hell based on something they had no choice in, based on something that was broadcast on the internet or television.
02:31:41.000And the government must step up and protect them.
02:31:44.000And I thought you said that people have a choice to act based upon their identities.
02:31:46.000What do you mean they don't have a choice, right?
02:31:57.000You said earlier it's a choice if you wish to act upon your identity, right?
02:32:02.000And I think we both agree that gay people don't choose to be gay, right?
02:32:05.000So then why are you looking at people and saying, oh man, these children are witnessing these degenerate acts and it's going to have some like profound negative impact on them if they suck a gay man like kissing or holding hands, right?
02:32:15.000But in reality, like it's not going to impact whether or not they're gay.
02:32:55.000So look, he's answering the question, Nicholas is answering the question from his Christian side, as a lot of us are from our moral standpoints.
02:33:03.000So, you'd say the thing is like always being hateful, but that's just what he believes.
02:33:09.000You know, I just want to know is do you believe Jesus was black?
02:34:54.000The problem with when people ask that question is you're not going to, when someone's really strong in their morals, they're just not going to budge.
02:35:35.000If Christians get to the level where they have control of, like, you know, and they implement biblical law, you could potentially get to that level, right?
02:35:42.000Like in the Middle East, like the biblical books are pretty similar.
02:37:07.000I would like to point out, though, that in Hebrew, the same word translated as abomination in Leviticus 22 18 is the same word, the abomination that is used for something like growing the same crop side by side.
02:37:25.000So, if that is an abomination as well as growing the same crop side by side, Or wearing, but it is a moral law, okay.
02:37:36.000The problem you have with translating the Bible is because of the languages it was written in.
02:37:39.000A lot of them have a bunch of different words.
02:37:41.000There's a Bible, the verse in the Bible that a lot of people used to justify slavery back in the day was something about slaves should obey their masters.
02:37:46.000Slave also means the same thing in the Bible as bondservant.
02:37:49.000Bondservant also means the same thing as an indentured servant, not in the fact of slavery as in like how we had slaves, you know what I mean?
02:37:56.000So, there are hold on, I'm trying to do this.
02:37:58.000There are a couple different things that you can have trouble with when you're translating it from one language to another.
02:38:05.000But I mean, here's the thing that, you know, we can, you know, you can have, you can try to discredit the Bible if you would like, you know, because you disagree with it or something like that, and that's fine.
02:38:15.000It's just, it's our moral code based upon our religion.
02:38:18.000And so, you know, we're going to follow our moral code.
02:38:35.000However, me and you are going to face the, you know, we're going to have to face God and we're going to have to, you know, face judgment for the sins that we commit.
02:38:43.000And so, you know, I'm not going to force you to act a certain way.
02:38:45.000However, you're going to have to, you know, face judgment just like I. I'm not talking about the person in the body.
02:38:52.000I was raised in a Christian household and I think that Christian morals are definitely good morals.
02:38:58.000I share moral, my morals pretty well aligned with Christian morals.
02:39:02.000However, I don't, I think there's a difference between Having pride in your religion and wanting others to practice your religion and thinking that everybody needs to practice your religion.
02:39:10.000I think those are two completely different things.
02:39:14.000Every religion thinks that everyone should practice their religion.
02:39:17.000There's different ways that they go about it.
02:39:32.000Any religion would want the entire world to practice their religion.
02:39:35.000Islam would want the entire world to be Muslim.
02:39:38.000Buddhists would want the entire world to be Buddhist, so on and so forth.
02:39:41.000Now, like I said, every religion thinks that every religion, there are some extremists in every religion that'd be like, look, we need to enforce this.
02:39:49.000Now, that's not speaking for the majority of people, but if you are strong in your morals, it would make sense as to why you would think this needs to be enforced, right?
02:39:58.000You think everyone should, you would think everyone needs to follow this.
02:40:37.000Anyway, if this normalization of gay culture is, it wouldn't be good because people were able to resist it, right?
02:40:42.000Those who are strong and worthy in the way of God are more like those people who we know are like, You know, good with God are going to make it into heaven, and those who are degenerate won't, right?
02:40:51.000So, once you want this normalization to ensure that those who are strong enough to resist the degeneracy will go to heaven?
02:40:57.000I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
02:41:25.000For crying, yeah, right, and uh, no, so to the point though, people have a choice whether or not they want to sin or whether they want to not to sin.
02:41:36.000And the thing about sin though is that it's addictive, I mean, that's the problem, particularly pornography, a lot of these things, and and it is difficult.
02:41:44.000We do not start out together with God, right, because of our fallen nature.
02:41:50.000It is in our nature to go away from God, and if if things exacerbate that or facilitate that or push us down that path.
02:41:57.000It's going to be a lot harder to come back to God.
02:41:59.000People that, if you're a young kid and you grow up watching Glee or Modern Family or pornography or whatever, and you think that certain things are acceptable or okay, and you start down on that path, it's a lot harder to find your way back.
02:42:12.000We want people to never leave, we want people to stay with God, with the church, and so on, not stray.
02:42:18.000And so, in order to protect those people, we absolutely need decency laws.
02:42:22.000We're not talking about like a theocratic kind of a thing, but you look in Russia and they just have reasonable standards on what is and what is not permitted.
02:43:34.000So as a Christian, I feel like if people are too weak, To resist this degenerate culture, then we want, like, you know, with free will and whatnot, then I don't think we want them in heaven, right?
02:43:45.000I don't know what you're getting at here.
02:43:46.000Sounds like if they're too weak to resist malicious, bad faith argument, I'm not sure what you're getting at.
02:44:15.000Let's say that you wouldn't want him to be in, you know, heaven with me, right?
02:44:19.000You wouldn't want him to be your next door neighbor and share the same crown as, as, as, as you do, right?
02:44:25.000Is, is it something along those lines?
02:44:26.000Like, why at the end of the day, you feel like it's almost a cheat code where if at the end of the day, like right before you die, it's like, I accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior.
02:44:35.000And then, like, all of a sudden, oh, well, he's in heaven, but didn't he mass kill a bunch of people?
02:44:40.000Sort of what you're saying, or if I'm wrong, like I said, tell me.
02:44:43.000I guess my argument is like Nick is saying that we need to protect people from the normalization of this culture because it will undermine their capacity to go to heaven, right?
02:44:50.000Well, I think if their capacity is going to be undermined and they're not strong enough to the will of God, then they probably shouldn't get a ticket into heaven in the first place.
02:44:57.000Is that your belief or are you being funny?
02:46:11.000All right, so we do want to, Nick, I'm not sure how much more time you have, but we do want to get to try to get some few more audience questions, I guess.
02:46:25.000So, Nick, as a fellow Christian, Matthew 7 3 says, Why do you look at the speck in your neighbor's eye but ignore the plank in your own eye?
02:46:36.000So, as Christians, we are told to focus on our own sins more than to focus on others.
02:46:40.000So, why are you so for condemning gaze and stuff when Jesus literally tells us that we should be focusing on ourselves more than focusing on others' sins?
02:47:57.000I don't know if we're reading the same Bible here, but if your God thinks that it's okay for just people to burn in hell just because, because like God loves all of his children and he weeps for every soul damned to hell, he wants everyone to come with him in the kingdom of heaven.
02:48:14.000If you think that God is happy that those people are going to hell, then you're wrong.
02:48:24.000I never think that these people deserve to go down to hell.
02:48:30.000For sinning and you know, if for being exposed to sin or being predisposed to it, then that's I just think that's disgusting, you know.
02:48:41.000I never said personally that I believe God laughs when people go to hell.
02:48:48.000Yeah, he wants everybody to come to heaven.
02:49:26.000In the Bible, we talk about obviously, we're getting into some deep revelation stuff now, but will we all have like crowns in heaven and then people will have different jewels in their crowns and whatnot, depending on what they did down here?
02:51:52.000So, don't let me like say something incorrect.
02:51:54.000But, aren't you more so trying to focus on a base that's Christian rather than expanding into other backgrounds?
02:52:01.000Well, I don't really look at it like that.
02:52:03.000I'm not like a politician, so I'm not like, you know, looking at different groups.
02:52:06.000I mean, I put my message out there and it's a Christian message.
02:52:08.000And a lot of people actually that watch my show are people that were formerly atheists.
02:52:13.000And because I talk a lot about Christianity and why I'm Christian, they end up converting or they end up becoming Catholic or whatever.
02:52:20.000So I think that my message appeals to anybody who thinks about existential questions.
02:52:25.000I give my perspective as a Christian on how I arrive at certain conclusions or whatever, but it's not really directed.
02:52:32.000It's probably actually not directed at Christians because there's a lot of Christians that know way more about the Bible or way more about history and theology than I do.
02:52:40.000So, I would say, to be clear, you don't care about anyone of any different religion or atheists who stay atheists who support you and are behind your movement.
02:52:47.000And you'd be like, all right, cool, join me.
02:53:17.000No, I wouldn't say that we only want, I mean, we want as many people as would support.
02:53:21.000I mean, I think because I'm a Christian, my message appeals to Christians, you know, just like conservatives would want conservatives.
02:53:27.000But I mean, of course, if people want to put America first and they happen to be of a different religion, then I'm not going to say, no, no, you know, be a liberal.
02:53:37.000I also think a lot of the Republican beliefs and not, I'm not saying everyone, but a lot of them come from Christian beliefs as well, or at least lean a little bit off of Christian belief.
02:54:27.000So, my question is what do you guys think?
02:54:30.000We talked a couple days ago about Boeing and the bailout.
02:54:33.000Oh, do you guys think it is in the right state of handling this to bail out a company that was literally borrowing tons of money to complete stock buybacks to raise their share price when they've been so successful over the last 20 years with government contracts that they haven't been able to accumulate any wealth to protect themselves in case of an emergency?
02:54:55.000But continuously borrowed money to increase their stock value and their profit line for their shareholders.
02:55:02.000I think that comes out of like the only reason I guess I could agree that on the at least the keeping them like in business or whatever, increasing the stock prices is what they do with the money, obviously, is probably not good.
02:55:14.000But like you said, they have government contracts, right?
02:55:17.000You know, they can pull out of those contracts and then we're going to be in some trouble.
02:55:21.000They also provide a lot of the majority of air travel and air transport.
02:55:25.000So those companies sometimes need to stay afloat for that reason.
02:55:28.000Other than we'll say, oh crap, well, you know, they're just trying to do that to boost their stocks.
02:55:32.000Yeah, but sometimes, like, in order to keep them happy and to keep them somewhere weak and they're usable, you got to do it sometimes.
02:55:39.000It's a necessary, almost a necessary evil, but not in the same sense as like saying we'll just give them all the money they ever heart's desire.
02:55:50.000Well, I just want to say if it's based on that study by Bloomberg, then it was almost in a sense, it was made to look like all the industries did that.
02:55:59.000There was really one big outlier when it came today.
02:56:06.000And when we're talking about Bomb Bad stocks, most of it comes from free-for-cash.
02:56:11.000And a lot of those companies actually, after you spend money investing back into your business, whether that's raises, infrastructure, and all those things, the money left over is what they usually use for those types of things.
02:56:24.000And it was really mainly American Airlines, not anybody else that was doing all those things.
02:56:29.000I just want to put that out there real quick.
03:01:41.000I think I'm probably going to know what you're going to say, but it could go to other people as well.
03:01:47.000Trump, throughout his presidency, has done a lot of things that are beneficial to Israel.
03:01:53.000And I want to know, not even in an Israel Palestine sense, do you think the current state of Israel are being a good ally to the U.S. and the West as a whole?
03:02:07.000No, they're not being a good ally, never have been.
03:02:10.000And, you know, we could go way back on this and people.
03:02:14.000Like to go way back to like the Levon affair, like the USS Liberty, but we could even look at just this administration.
03:02:19.000I mean, I believe that one of the first press conferences that Donald Trump had with a foreign dignitary was with Benjamin Netanyahu right after the inauguration in 2017.
03:02:30.000And at that press conference, Donald Trump said, If you could stop with the settlements, like that would be great.
03:02:35.000And this has been US policy for since the 1967 war Israeli settlements, we don't support them.
03:02:41.000And Donald Trump said, If you could stop the settlements, like that would be great.
03:02:45.000And in spite of everything we've given Israel just in the last three years, which is moving the embassy and recognizing the Golan Heights, their sovereignty, calling the IRGC a terrorist group, I mean, the list goes on and on.
03:02:58.000And not only do they not stop the settlements, they expand them at the most rapid pace in history, the biggest settlement expansion ever, like a week after that press conference.
03:03:07.000And they bomb Syria, they bomb Iraq, they create these tensions with Syria and Iran.
03:03:14.000So, I mean, just in the last three years, you have the spying scandal on the White House.
03:03:31.000Well, and here's to be serious I think they should be more worried about keeping us as an ally.
03:03:35.000I mean, why is it incumbent on us to pay them and give more stuff and what there's no responsibility on their end to have any obligations or to be considerate of us?
03:03:46.000You know, I mean, it's a two way street.
03:03:52.000We can support more, therefore, we can give more.
03:03:55.000Um, it's not for this like one for one deal.
03:03:58.000Uh, and you know, on top of that, keeping that nation a democracy and keeping that nation afloat should be a big investment of ours.
03:04:07.000I think they're doing fine, they got one of the best economies in the Middle East, one of the best and most sophisticated militaries in the world.
03:04:13.000They've got a serious defense industry in Israel, more sophisticated than most.
03:04:17.000Their tanks are more advanced than our Abrams.
03:06:02.000I'm glad you're being like civil here.
03:06:04.000Because I don't like, you know, neocons or whatever, but you know, you still got to be civil because we all come from, you know, libertarianism.
03:07:58.000If you got the free time at all, it would be cool if you could teach me like the economics or at least the basics of economics because I'm really willing to learn more.
03:09:05.000And for Nicholas, back to like sort of the beginning of this little debate, you were talking about how we should basically correct me if I'm wrong, but you were saying we should shut off everyone from coming into the United States.
03:09:33.000Well, what about people that survived socialism and would more than likely they're going to vote conservative moving into the United States?
03:09:43.000Do you think it should be the same for that or do you think they should come in as well?
03:09:47.000He did address earlier the fact that there's going to be good people that are going to want to migrate in.
03:09:53.000It's not like he's for trying to keep good people from migrating in.
03:10:08.000There are, I mean, the most obvious group is Cubans.
03:10:11.000And this is what a lot of people bring up is we'll say, well, Hispanics are, you know, making the country more blue.
03:10:18.000And people bring up Cubans, which Cubans in Florida, it's dwindling, but they do vote majority Republican and they are considered reliably Republican.
03:10:28.000I mean, the reason they vote Republican is because of the particular situation with Cuba and that immigration policy where almost all refugees just get to stay, right?
03:10:37.000And so it's kind of a very specific situation.
03:10:39.000But You know, again, we're talking about a confluence of different factors economic, social, cultural, political.
03:10:46.000But I mean, really, immigration is indefensible from all of that.
03:10:49.000And you could have people that are more assimilated, people that are good for the economy, and people who might vote Republican.
03:10:55.000But broadly, like mass population replacement is just for every reason on the whole, on the aggregate, it's no good for us.
03:11:03.000And I would say Venezuelan that makes two now, kind of situation.
03:11:07.000I actually don't know the statistics on Venezuelans if they vote more Republican.
03:11:11.000I imagine they might, but I'm not 100%.
03:11:13.000I'm from the Philippines, and most of my grandma was the first one in my family to come to America.
03:11:44.000What I, you know, people like to say, Oh, you're racist, whatever.
03:11:46.000It's like, no, I love people, but it's just for everybody, it's better if we, it's America first, not, not whites first, not, you know, Christians first.
03:11:55.000I mean, we love Christians and everybody, right?
03:12:21.000I kind of just dozed off, but I'll just shine my light on my face so you kind of see me.
03:12:25.000So, hey, Nick, Mike, the question was kind of already asked about Israel.
03:12:29.000So, I mean, I'll kind of just branch off of it a little bit.
03:12:31.000So, when it comes to like Middle Eastern policy, do you feel like the US should really kind of like withdraw completely from the Middle East or do you think we should have some sort of presence there?
03:12:53.000I'm a believer that America has interests all over the world and we should take care of our interests.
03:12:58.000And if that means having a base or protecting a trade route, I mean, that's fine.
03:13:03.000But what we're looking at now is like an occupation of many countries, not just Afghanistan and Iraq, but you've got troops in Yemen, you've got troops in Somalia, you've got troops in Syria, still a residual force.
03:13:21.000I don't think war is in our interest in the Middle East, but I'm not one of these people that'll say, If there's 10 guys in Kuwait, that the president's a neocon.
03:13:31.000They'll say, if we leave residual force, it's neocon.
03:13:34.000I mean, I'm a believer that America's a sprawling empire.
03:13:37.000We have interests around the globe and we should protect them, but not like this, not two ground wars at the same time, which, you know, the countries that we're going to leave will end up worse than they were before we got there.
03:13:47.000So that kind of stuff to me is just folly.
03:13:49.000But to have some presence, I think that's doable.
03:13:52.000I feel like the political spectrum is almost a circle where I'm almost the opposite end as you, but I almost 100% agree with you on that.
03:16:02.000And I'm not, see, the part that I don't agree with the Republican Party on is the Republican Party basically just shills to Israel by giving them hundreds of billions of dollars in aid.
03:16:16.000I definitely think that if we are fighting wars in the Middle East like we are now, I think that it is in our interest to keep Israel our ally.
03:16:22.000But I don't think that giving them hundreds of billions of dollars is necessary.
03:16:25.000Well, that's the thing I have with pretty much left or right.
03:16:28.000It's like, I don't care what your solution to Israel is.
03:16:37.000But I mean, at this point, I think that it's in our interest right now, since we are fighting wars in the Middle East, that we need to have them as our ally.
03:16:47.000But if we weren't fighting wars in the Middle East, which is what I see would be the best for America and the best for just the Middle East, too, we're not helping them out by doing anything.
03:16:56.000But yeah, if we weren't fighting wars in the Middle East, I mean, I wouldn't really care about Israel.
03:17:21.000I just want to say before I ask my question, the America First Movement, which Nick Fuentes is a part of, is not racist in any way.
03:17:31.000Because if it was racist, it would be the White First Movement, and nobody is calling for that.
03:17:36.000As the left gets more and more radical, the right is getting much weaker and weaker and compromising in all these positions like gay marriage, transgender.
03:17:43.000People are saying, oh, they're not pushing for drag queen story hour.
03:17:46.000But you see Twitter, every single day, there's an LGBT hashtag trending.
03:17:52.000Like the American First Movement's like slandered as being like homophobic, this and that, but like, what are you conserving if you're not like defending like the American ideals of like, you say America's not like a Christian nation, but like America was founded on natural law.
03:18:07.000And like, these, this stuff just goes against natural law.
03:18:10.000But my main question is like, how are you going to call yourself a conservative and support gay marriage?
03:18:17.000Like, that's not a conservative ideal whatsoever.
03:18:20.000If you look at the 2008 Republican campaign, like, presidential debate, John McCain, the Republican nominee, Said, I do not support gay marriage.
03:19:21.000You know, and the conservative movement is in order to conserve the ideals that we see America should be, not necessarily, you know, Giving up because we see other nations doing this, so let's do the same thing.
03:19:35.000You know, conservatives, your definition of conservative obviously might be different than my definition of conservative.
03:19:41.000If your definition of conservative is conserving, you know, slavery, if your definition of conservative is conserving, you know, every person has to be straight, conserving that every person has to be Christian, you know, obviously our definitions of conservative are different.
03:19:57.000And also, just because you don't believe in every single thing by the book that, uh, defines conservative values doesn't mean you're not a conservative.
03:20:06.000Just because you don't believe, just because there's certain things that you deviate on doesn't make you not a conservative.
03:20:22.000Like, what you like, there's a, there's like a line between being like a radical and like, like being like a normal conservative and then like a compromising conservative.
03:20:30.000Like, you're trying to pay me out as like an American first movement or some like radical thing.
03:20:34.000But, like, this is like what true conservatism is.
03:20:38.000Like, if you go back to the 1980s and you see like Pat Buchanan or Ronald Reagan, like, That's this is what they like believed in, like, regardless of like the gay marriage things that that's been argued over so much.
03:20:49.000It's it's law right now, and the only thing that'll change is if the court like rules against it.
03:20:54.000So, us like bantering over it really won't do anything.
03:20:56.000But, like, Charlie Kirk, who is arguably the head, like, the figurehead of the modern conservative movement, like, I don't agree with that, obviously.
03:21:04.000But he's if you ask someone like who's Charlie Kirk, they'd say, Oh, it's like a conservative guy.
03:21:46.000But there's like Nick Videos, I think that's his name.
03:21:49.000He's like, it's like that we're in favor of legal immigration.
03:21:53.000Like, we want to bring in more immigrants.
03:21:54.000But when there's people in America who can't even make it themselves, why are we bringing in more people to replace them?
03:22:00.000And then if you're going to say we should bring in more people to replace them, not even to replace them, just bring in more people in general, then you can't complain about jobs leaving America because in the end of the day, Americans are going to be out of jobs in both situations.
03:22:36.000You can say you're Christian, but there's a bunch of different subdivisions, or obviously different versions of it, and they have different ideas of how someone should go about it.
03:22:44.000Just because you are conservative doesn't mean you have to go down the line of every single thing.
03:22:48.000And saying someone's a bad conservative because they don't line up with every single thing is not.
03:22:52.000It just that really doesn't make sense, you know what I mean?
03:22:54.000Like, you can be a conservative and deviate from some conservative ideas, doesn't make you not a conservative.
03:22:59.000There's some, there's a bare minimum in order to be considered at least a Republican.
03:23:03.000Like, I think what's the bare minimum?
03:23:04.000What it sounds like to me is that he's just like he's wanting to tell us you're not worthy to be a conservative, you're not worthy to call yourself a conservative.
03:23:11.000No, no, that's what you're saying, though.
03:23:12.000Hold on, what would you say the bare minimum is then?
03:23:15.000Pro life that's that's a non negotiable, okay?
03:23:18.000Yeah, yeah, putting America's interest first, not even being a part of the American thing, America's interest first, right?
03:23:43.000Your definition of mass immigration is open borders, and no conservative in here is saying that we need to have open borders.
03:23:48.000I think a lot of us agree with Nick as far as illegal immigration goes.
03:23:53.000If you look at Nick's videos like TikTok, and he said, like, If anyone wants to bring it up and play it, he says, like, you can't deport all the illegal immigrants, right?
03:24:01.000Yeah, it would cost, it would be estimated to cost more money than the war in Iraq.
03:24:05.000Are you talking about the same video that Nick Fuentes posted?
03:24:10.000I mean, I'm just saying that I don't think that it would be a one video that you've watched of Nick's like Trump ran on that, like Trump ran on the fact that he was going to deport the illegal immigrants.
03:24:21.000You're wearing a Trump hat and you're saying we can't deport them all is a contradictory statement.
03:24:26.000You do, I'm not, I don't get to put our ass on everything.
03:24:29.000Yeah, no one said we have to agree with you.
03:24:51.000I think that when Nick Videos is talking about disagreeing with Nick Fuentes on immigration, I don't think it's the illegal immigration policy.
03:24:59.000I think it's the legal immigration policy.
03:25:00.000Bring this man to the spotlight, Jesus.
03:27:49.000Because you have to pay for the raids, you have to pay for the intel, right?
03:27:55.000Nick went to set all this on this live stream.
03:27:56.000I don't know if any of you watched it, but it costs $60,000 per legal alien in the United States for social programs, schooling, hospitals.
03:28:11.000I was actually talking with Nicholas about this earlier on Snapchat, and then he called the Washington Examiner liberal.
03:28:16.000And I don't know, I kind of laughed at that.
03:28:18.000When somebody doesn't pay taxes and they get free things for it.
03:28:20.000Okay, illegal immigrants do pay taxes.
03:28:22.000Actually, if you don't believe that, then you just deny facts.
03:28:25.000But so illegal immigrants actually pay about $18 billion in Social Security every year, and then above $10 billion in Medicare, as well as sales taxes and everything else.
03:28:35.000So if you look at it from a monetary standpoint, this $14 trillion plus, it's not, you would literally take like Like almost a hundred years for that to even replenish.
03:28:45.000I mean, this man is straight chilling with his water right now.
03:28:49.000Well, you all may jump in, or I've been kind of going at it, so now I'm going to let me say this one thing.
03:28:59.000So, you we'll go back a little bit to what you said.
03:29:01.000You said that the fundamentals of being a conservative or a Republican for that point, right?
03:29:06.000And one of them you brought up was low taxes, right?
03:29:08.000So, what Nick, what I'm gathering from what Nick says, and this might not even be what he's trying to say, but For that 15, what 15 trillion dollars to get everybody out at the low end, okay.
03:29:18.000So, how are we going to get that money?
03:30:43.000Personally speaking, I don't agree with Nick Videos in this factor.
03:30:47.000I think that deporting illegal immigrants is an important cause.
03:30:51.000Um, if we're going to spend as much money as we're spending in other departments, I think that we don't need to stay lacking in a department of uh enforcing criminal justice, you know.
03:31:00.000So, I think that it is an important factor to take into account that you know they have crossed the border illegally, they didn't choose to do it legally, you know, they didn't choose to follow the rules, whether you like the rules or not, those are the rules, you know.
03:31:12.000So, I mean, it's not, yeah, it's not this thing where you get the exception because you know you had hard times, you don't get the exception because you're hungry that you can steal from a store, you know.
03:31:46.000And then you have to crack down on it even more, like border crossings and stuff like that through ports of entry, like ocean, stuff like that.
03:31:54.000Like, you can't just start a pathway to citizenship without doing anything else.
03:31:57.000Well, yeah, and I agree that we need more border security.
03:32:00.000I'm not sure the wall is the number, is the thing that we need to do for sure, 100%.
03:32:05.000I feel like Trump's whole wall aspect was more so voters can actually envision something happening on the border.
03:32:17.000But border security in general, I think, is a great thing that we need to invest in right now, specifically things that are going to actually keep us from allowing in the criminals.
03:32:43.000I mean, nobody wants to work border security.
03:32:46.000But yeah, I brought that up last night.
03:32:48.000But the thing is, I think everyone agrees that, yeah, we have an immigration, or at least I can't speak for maybe the Republican side of things, but we agree, yeah, there is a problem with immigration.
03:32:58.000Now, how we solve it obviously differs.
03:33:02.000I mean, obviously, how we solve it differs.
03:33:04.000I think me and Reese are on the side of we need to probably fund border patrol and strengthen our border protection.
03:33:11.000You know, whether that's a wall, more people on the border.
03:33:14.000And then I think obviously you need to fix the way immigrants come in legally because people obviously see the fact that, well, it's easier to come in illegally.
03:33:22.000So I might as well just go in illegally.
03:33:25.000I just want to ask this like really quick thing.
03:33:28.000If you're going to try to like discriminate, like distinguish between good illegal immigrants, right, and bad illegal immigrants, like if you decide to keep some of the illegal immigrants in America, what does that say to people who are working hard that are legal citizens that can't like?
03:33:45.000Like, what does it say to people who are poor American citizens that you're keeping people who you view as good workers, but they cross border illegally, broke the law, they tried to undermine the system?
03:35:26.000Also, I just want everyone to remember that America is not just an economic superpower, right?
03:35:32.000America also has, like, we need to keep America moral.
03:35:35.000In just a general sense, the word moral is very important.
03:35:38.000Like, regardless, you're saying, all right, like some people say, I'm not saying anyone here does, but I'm saying, like, some people say bringing in a ton of immigrants will help America's economy, right?
03:35:50.000It comes sometimes at sacrificing, like, the Like the blanket culture of America, right?
03:35:56.000The American way of life comes at sacrificing.
03:35:58.000Like, if there's no economics, like restrictions, right?
03:36:02.000And the morality in America is just going to crumble and America has become a weak nation.
03:36:06.000And, like, whenever you look at politics, you have to always think about A, the economic effect, and B, like the cultural and moral impact.
03:36:13.000Like, a lot of people are like for gay marriage because they say it's like equality, but like, you can't just redefine a word of marriage to say to try to get some equality that doesn't exist.
03:36:27.000But, like, if you're a Christian here and you support gay marriage, you got to really think about that again because the Bible says that, like, the greatest commandments to love one another and loving one another is leading them on a path which is correct.
03:36:40.000I'm not saying a theocrat for like Christianity, but I'm saying you always have to keep that in mind when you think about like politics in general.
03:36:47.000Like, you have to keep the religion in mind or else your religion is your.
03:36:51.000And I just, I don't want to overstep my bounds.
03:37:01.000That's overstepping our bounds by us trying to play God, you know, by trying to, you know, determine what this person's fate is.
03:37:09.000I was letting gays marry, making our society look more.
03:37:13.000I have a little bit different view than most conservatives on this because if you look at gay marriage, I don't believe that they should be forced to be married by like priests, you know, any church, but by the state, yes.
03:37:24.000And the reason for that is because if your loved ones in a hospital, I don't really care if you're gay, you can't go visit them if they're.
03:37:31.000But you don't need marriage unable to speak, you do need to be married or be family.
03:37:35.000If you want, is the way to enter into the family, and that's the only reason I'm okay with it on paper.
03:37:40.000I don't agree with it, you know, in a church.
03:37:42.000He wanted to support more than you don't need to be for marriage to give the way that I see it is that it doesn't affect me, I don't really care.
03:37:52.000Like, I can be for the legal that doesn't mean that I could like support sodomy, like, I mean, sodomy.
03:38:36.000But you also got to think if you're taking this from a moral standpoint, and your morals obviously come from Christianity, Jesus also sat down with prostitutes, rabbis, and all these other people that society spat on, right?
03:39:15.000What I just want to clarify one thing, real quick.
03:39:16.000What I said with like, you don't tell the sinner it's okay to sin, that was too what uh, I don't want to say this like offensively, but fatty actual.
03:39:22.000That's what, like, what you said, yeah, I wouldn't have made that.
03:39:58.000I've told them I'm Christian and I've told them my beliefs.
03:40:00.000And I'm like, look, if you're not going to listen to me, I believe at the end of the day, you're going to have to answer to God.
03:40:04.000So I'm not going to force something down somebody's throat, like my beliefs and stuff, and try and hammer it down on top of them when it's going to do them no good.
03:40:11.000But I just want to, like, I agree 100%.
03:41:25.000Yeah, I think we're on the same page here.
03:41:27.000I'm just saying, like, you got to realize that you're not going to win all the time, and you can't keep we as Christians, you're just going to chase people away, right, from your morals.
03:41:36.000The more you keep hammering down, because people will be like, dude, this guy's so annoying, or you know, yeah, yeah, I'm not going to do this.
03:41:41.000All he wants to do is press his beliefs on me.
03:41:44.000I am for spreading Christianity, I am 100% for it.
03:41:46.000I try to share the gospel with everybody I meet, but at the same time, I still have to respect their free will, you know what I mean?
03:41:53.000So, because God left us our choice of free will, that's why we're allowed to sin still.
03:41:58.000But a legal distinction and a legal recognition of a marriage is like you rejecting that.
03:44:32.000I still don't know who the heck texted me because whenever we were in Nick's live chat, told him to come to the thing, someone texted me a random Zoom link.
03:45:47.000Nick's just going to turn around and roast you because you're not going to show them the respect.
03:45:52.000If you want to have a good conversation, that's great.
03:45:54.000But obviously, you need to respect the man in order for him to have enough respect to even look your way and give you the same conversation back.
03:46:13.000So, I guess the reason I was asking why you guys or how Nick Fuentes got in here is because, like, you guys seem to not have that many rebuttals to a lot of the blatantly false stuff he said.
03:46:25.000Like, a lot of the historical revisionism he engaged in.
03:46:27.000I just found that, like, I was wondering, like, are you guys going to, you know, do this one more time, except when, like, People have done a bit more research or like what's the plans for the future?
03:46:38.000The point was to kind of get them in here and you know ask them questions and allow, yeah.
03:46:42.000The point, yeah, the point wasn't just you know, we didn't set up and plan this to be like some kind of debate stage or something like that.
03:46:49.000You know, this was literally like a last minute, you know, hey, would Nick Fuentes actually join the Zoom, you know, so we can ask questions?
03:46:55.000And that was, you know, that that was kind of the point of it here.
03:46:58.000Um, it's you know, like Nick said multiple times, nobody came here prepared with like papers and pages and stuff like that, you know, so I mean.
03:47:06.000I'm not prepared to do any kind of debate on any kind of topic.
03:47:08.000I'm going just what I know off the top of my head on these different topics that have been brought up.
03:47:14.000So, I mean, if you want to happily, if you want to try to refute something that he said, by all means, go at it.
03:47:24.000Like, I can understand that you guys might not have been prepared.
03:47:27.000But I think, like, I think where I would see a difference is that if you guys were talking to somebody that, I don't know, didn't really advocate for like race realism, Or, like, those kinds of weird things.
03:48:32.000I just want to say real quick I don't know what you've been watching, but I feel like everyone's been coming at Nick and not just accepting what he's been saying.
03:50:28.000I said explicitly, I'm not saying because you're black, you're dumb.
03:50:32.000I actually said there are, I said it would be ridiculous to suggest that there are no intelligent non white people.
03:50:39.000I said that actually, if you look at how big the population in Africa is, there are tons of smart people everywhere because of how numbers work, how scale works.
03:51:01.000Everybody's an individual to me, but a country must look at groups, and groups have averages and distributions, and that's what we're talking about.
03:51:08.000So, for a fact checker, for the responsible fact checker, you seem to not really know what you're talking about.
03:51:14.000So, I don't know if that New York Times.
03:51:15.000I mean, coming from the guy that's like doing the race realism stuff, I don't know if you can really get on me about.
03:52:17.000Now, whether or not you get a little hot under the collar because you don't agree with somebody's opinions, but that's just how it works.
03:52:23.000Now, look, we need to get our inner Frederick out here, okay?
03:52:27.000Look, and whether or not you don't like what the man has to say is the right to say it.
03:52:32.000And pretty sure when he brought up the race thing that people didn't agree with, not saying it was even about race, let's not even start that thing, right?
03:52:38.000When people thought when they were covering it about race, pretty sure Topher stood up and said something.
03:52:42.000A lot of us were like, wait, we don't agree with that.
03:52:44.000Now, whether or not we had the facts, like he said, he didn't have the facts, whether or not we had the facts to hit him back with, no.
03:52:50.000I mean, like, if you've been in here for the entire time, you would have noticed that.
03:52:53.000It's like you literally fell asleep and then just woke up when you were going to come in here and start reignite something.
03:55:53.000So, I'm the one that brought up the LGBT stuff at like the near beginning, I guess.
03:56:00.000So, I wanted to talk more about transgender type stuff because I feel like my question got kind of taken out of context and then I never really gotten a clear answer because it just kind of turned into like Christianity and how.
03:56:19.000If you consider gay marriage morally right, which wasn't really what I was asking, I was trying to like ask, um, just in general, do you think it's a choice?
03:56:28.000Do you think there's a science behind um gender identity, um, that kind of stuff?
03:56:35.000I wanted to have a conversation more about that rather than the legality of gay marriage because I don't really think that's going to be a topic really debated on like with all of us or with just but just yeah, I want to um, kind of.
03:56:51.000Get another perspective because I'm well, for me personally, I mean, I look at facts and I've read multiple scientific peer reviewed studies that have showed that people that are gay or trans' brains are actually similar in brain structure to the opposite gender that they are, like looking at their genitalia.
03:57:10.000So I don't think that being gay is a choice.
03:57:14.000I think that that's definitely hardwired into your brain and how you know, like that type of stuff.
03:57:19.000As far as rights are concerned, I mean, like.
03:57:21.000I don't necessarily like condone, I don't condone gay marriage or being transgender, like, I don't condone it, but at the same time, it doesn't affect me.
03:57:28.000So, like, I don't think that the government should restrict it just based on Christianity.
03:57:32.000Like, I don't really care personally, it doesn't affect me whatsoever.
03:57:35.000You, you, you think that, and I think we disagree on this because you think that people are born gay, but gay still wrong, so people can be born wrong.
03:57:47.000Yeah, that's the kind of my no, having homosexual desires isn't necessarily wrong, but what's wrong is actually.
03:57:57.000That's it, just doesn't make any sense.
03:57:59.000So, you're telling me that, like, personally, I'm gay, and I'm just gonna make it clear it's not a choice because if I could have avoided all the emotional trauma I and so many others went through, I would be straight in a heartbeat.
03:58:14.000And if I'm supposed to pretend I'm not someone who I am and ruin my life and my enjoyment, my pursuit of happiness, which is a right that everyone preaches, how am I not supposed to enjoy and Like, how is it such a bad thing for me to be with another man?
03:58:34.000If it's my desire and you just acknowledge that it's a sexual, it's hardwired into your brain, how does that make any sense?
03:58:43.000This is a hard thing to get into without actually, like you said, like, I mean, you didn't want to talk about Christianity, but it's a hard thing to stop, to start talking about.
03:58:55.000So you start, because you'll start tiptoeing into.
03:58:58.000Morals and whatnot, and then you are having a full out moral conversation.
03:59:02.000No, the you know, the if you're talking about whether I think it's right, then I base it upon my Christian morals, which is I don't believe it's right, you know, and then my morals.
04:00:02.000Yeah, I'm like, there are, so we're going to just tell everybody that the voices that they hear are actually real and they're right and everything, too.
04:01:58.000All the sexual pedophiles were like this for a decade.
04:02:02.000So, there's um, there's they still are, but there's these pedophiles, like I don't know, like Jessica Yaniv.
04:02:09.000How are those people supposed to represent our community when I'm on here, a very respectful person, just trying to like have a conversation?
04:02:17.000How are you going to take the bad people when I'm instead of taking the good people to represent?
04:02:22.000I just want to say one thing Jessica Yaniv is on TikTok.
04:02:27.000No, I'm not saying I'm not trying to just, I'm not trying to generalize your group that yes, everybody agrees with that.
04:02:32.000However, we are trying to make the point here that there are people in your community that believe that and accept that.
04:02:42.000There's a lot of people that are incompetent people in every community.
04:02:46.000But if you ask somebody that's in that community who was there first, and then they're going to be like, oh, I was 16, he was 24, or something like that.
04:02:55.000It's an actual thing that's a part of that community because they're like, All the people, all the gay guys that I've ever talked to, because I live next to West Hollywood.
04:03:03.000Oh, yeah, my first was he was 22 and I was 16 or 14.
04:04:11.000Homosexuality wasn't even a word until I believe it was the 1890s, maybe.
04:04:18.000The humans could not, when the Bible was being written, comprehend sexuality.
04:04:25.000It still talks about, I mean, a man laying with another man in 1 Corinthians and in Leviticus in the King James Version, which was written in the early 1600s.
04:04:33.000There's lots of people that have predicted that there was a miss.
04:04:39.000Translation that it really was referencing pedophilia rather than homosexuality.
04:04:44.000I mean, it's pretty black and white, but it's pretty like a modern argument.
04:04:49.000Like, it's not just a thing that it's talks about in the Old Testament and Leviticus, it also talks about it as well as in First Corinthians.
04:04:56.000And it doesn't use the word explicitly homosexuality, but it's just a man.
04:04:59.000Yeah, homosexuality is a word that man created over time.
04:05:04.000It says a man laying with another man.
04:05:07.000And the reason why I mean, it doesn't literally mean just a man, and the Bible says a lot, I mean, everybody knows outdated things.
04:05:13.000Just because you think it's outdated doesn't mean that the actual word is changed.
04:06:07.000I'm just let's not talk about how the Catholic Church is a punch of what we're talking about, but hey, let's not talk about indulgences or none of that stuff.
04:06:17.000Somebody earlier during the Zoom call said there's a difference between old, like, ceremonial law and moral law, right?
04:06:25.000And so when Jesus came, we got rid of all the ceremonial law stuff, right?
04:06:28.000Well, some people still don't eat pork.
04:07:05.000Now, the no cutting your hair thing is actually a Nazarene vow, and you are not required to take a Nazarene vow.
04:07:10.000A lot of people take it because it's like a thing to become closer to God, almost like in a sense of what a monk would do to try and become more enlightened in the sense you don't have to do it, or not a monk, sorry.
04:07:24.000It's something you don't have to do, but people do it because they want to be closer to God.
04:07:29.000So that's where the no cutting hair thing comes from.
04:07:31.000Now, with that being said, that's a ceremonial law.
04:07:36.000I don't know if people still take the Nazarene vow now.
04:07:38.000I imagine maybe some Jewish people still do because if they're focusing on the Torah and whatnot in the Old Testament, but there is now a very big difference between ceremonial law and moral law.
04:07:49.000So the same fabrics, what you eat, shelf, that's all ceremonial law.
04:07:55.000And the more I understand that, like personally, I don't believe that God, the God that I believe in, and the God that I believe is the Christian God, would never treat anyone differently because of who they love.
04:08:11.000Because that's just something I will always disagree with, and no one will convince me otherwise, like no matter what anything says.
04:08:19.000Yeah, I mean, you're entitled to your opinion, man, and what you believe in.
04:08:22.000But at the same time, like when you're the same God you're saying that you believe in, yeah, God, we have a loving God, yes, we also have a wrathful God.
04:08:30.000At the same time, he's very, and he judges very righteously, man.
04:08:36.000And it just, you can't, saying that he is, he still views you, right?
04:08:42.000He still loves you as his child, right?
04:08:43.000But at the same time, is he going to be a little sad over the choices you make?
04:09:46.000Instead of the whole rape thing, I would say a pornography addiction.
04:09:51.000I would say, like that, something like if somebody has a pornography addiction, they can't help it because all they want every time is their urge to just straight up go to the dark browser or the, what do you want to call it?
04:12:15.000I was just wondering so, do you guys have any direct arguments, whether it comes to homosexuality or trans people or anything like that, that are removed from religion?
04:12:27.000Like I said before, I'm not going to be here on that subject.
04:12:30.000I mean, from Nick Fuentes, if he wants to kind of, you know, so what do you think, like removing kind of the Christian morality realm here?
04:12:37.000What do you feel is like the general evil of society when it comes to homosexuality?
04:12:45.000And, you know, of course, it's difficult, I think.
04:12:49.000It's hard for religious people to wrap their, or rather, non religious people to wrap their heads around the opposition to homosexuality because.
04:12:57.000Non religious people view everything as matter, and you know, if we're all just atoms, we're all just stardust, then who really cares what's happening in the bedroom anywhere else?
04:13:07.000But what we find with homosexuality and transsexuality is that, in my opinion, a lot of the factors that lead to same sex attraction or homosexual acts is largely trauma.
04:13:21.000And a lot of people meme about this, but it's totally true that generally speaking, what you see in gay people or trans people.
04:13:29.000Is some kind of breakdown in the home very early on in childhood, a divorce, abuse, molestation, something like that.
04:13:37.000That's not true in every single case, but it is true in a lot of cases.
04:13:41.000And, you know, just being from experience, I've seen a lot of the gay people that I know, it's like divorce, check, like overbearing mother, check.
04:14:17.000So, what we tend to find in these communities is we tend to find, frankly, a lot of mental illness, a lot of anxiety, and disorders like that.
04:14:27.000We tend to find a lot of this trauma in their past.
04:14:30.000We find a lot of acting out drugs, many, many sexual partners.
04:14:36.000And obviously, studies aren't great because it's people self reporting about their sex lives.
04:14:40.000But I think there was a study done in San Francisco where it said that more than 50% of the people polled said that they had sex with 2,000 people, more than 2,000 people.
04:14:51.000Heterosexuals just don't have sex on that level.
04:14:53.000And so, just from even a practical point of view, I see gay sex or homosexual acts as basically traumatic, as expressions of sort of mental issues or trauma early on.
04:15:07.000And these things, I think, are remedied by.
04:15:10.000Being chased, not having sex, or trying to fit in as best you can in some kind of heterosexual relationship.
04:15:17.000Do you think I could respond from my personal experience?
04:15:41.000So, Nick, I just wanted to add on to that by saying so when it comes down to like homosexuality in general, we both acknowledge that that's not a choice.
04:15:50.000It's something that's kind of like ingrained in your brain as you're born.
04:15:53.000So, Obviously, I think you would say that heterosexual acts are natural, but homosexual acts are not natural.
04:16:04.000Well, I don't think that anybody is born gay.
04:16:08.000I think that, like you said, it's environmental.
04:16:10.000And maybe there's a genetic component, but I think it's largely environmental.
04:16:14.000But what is different to me is not even religious, it's philosophical.
04:16:19.000And this is in the Catholic tradition.
04:16:21.000This is what our church believes, but it's a philosophical argument.
04:16:25.000That you're telling it's kind of like a complicated philosophical thing.
04:16:30.000If you read Aristotle or you understand like the causes, it's complicated stuff.
04:16:34.000But if I can reduce it to you a little bit, it's that we are created, or at least we can see in the world, whether you believe in God or not, that there is some signature of design in the sense that things are created for particular ends.
04:16:49.000And I don't think you have to be necessarily religious to believe this, but you could say that, I mean, why does this water bottle exist?
04:17:39.000And this is why, you know, typically a lot of these sex acts end up in very, very bad medical things like trans.
04:17:45.000You look at some of these trans procedures and they're ghastly enough as they are.
04:17:49.000I mean, people getting things lopped off and reassembled and everything.
04:17:52.000But they also have all kinds of problems where you have to have them like, you know, you have to go in later because there are complications.
04:18:01.000Lots of complications and things that need to be corrected at times.
04:18:31.000Like homosexuality as being caused by trauma, how would you necessarily explain that there are certain like animal species that have homosexual tendencies and attractions to other animals?
04:18:43.000If it's you said you're not born gay, so what do you think necessarily causes that?
04:18:48.000Well, animals are sub rational, so I think, uh, when people make this are this naturalistic argument, when we're talking about nature, there is this conflation in the modern day with nature as in like organic life versus like.
04:19:04.000Nature in a higher sense and like a philosophical sense.
04:19:07.000So, when I say that it's unnatural, I don't mean that like you can't find it in nature.
04:19:11.000You can find a lot of things in nature.
04:19:12.000You can find murder and, you know, all kinds of horrible things in nature.
04:19:17.000And, you know, also I would say that, I mean, we're not animals.
04:19:20.000Animals do a lot of things that we don't like or don't care for that are wrong.
04:19:24.000And they don't, they're not just wrong because they're unethical or immoral, they transgress the rights of others, but because they violate the integrity or the nature of things.
04:19:33.000And that is what we as rational humans should strive to avoid violating the integrity or the nature of things.
04:19:39.000And I generally think that things that do violate that, they tend to create problems.
04:19:44.000And I find that, you know, you can say, oh, well, that's religious or that I don't agree with that philosophy, but I will tell you that.
04:19:52.000One of the big reasons I became religious and re embraced religion is because I tended to notice that all the things that the Bible and Christianity says, if you follow them, you tend to do good.
04:20:04.000It tends to be, even though it's 2,000 years old, a lot of it tends to be very practical and very wise.
04:20:09.000I find generally that this is the case that you look at people that follow these lifestyles, you look at women that don't have kids, they tend to be miserable.
04:20:17.000You look at men who are not breadwinners, miserable.
04:20:21.000You find that when people violate their nature, when they violate the integrity of who they're supposed to be, they're not very happy, they're not very successful, they tend to be, you know, frankly, like basket cases, crazy types, depressing.
04:20:33.000Yeah, you like how I think you find that all over.
04:20:42.000You asked if you could speak from your experience, and I'm just because I'm a single, I'm a gay person that would like to explain how my childhood has affected my certain things.
04:20:52.000Saying that everyone that doesn't have kids is miserable is.
04:20:55.000Without any source to back that up is a huge claim.
04:20:59.000Me saying that my personal experiences did not affect my sexuality and I have facts from my life that can prove that up, including my other siblings that went through the same stuff as me that didn't turn out gay, shows that there was not a trend that came out of my parents' divorce of us all coming out gay.
04:21:16.000You saying that all women that don't have kids are miserable is no source or anything to back that up.
04:21:28.000I think we're just going to fundamentally disagree on necessarily that you believe that the fundamental teachings of the Bible should dictate 21st century life.
04:21:36.000Now, you know, that can, you know, be what you end up believing.
04:21:39.000I think it also comes down to how much of the Bible are you willing to embrace?
04:21:43.000Because there are certain passages of the Bible that I feel are very often disregarded by whether it be the Republican Party or certain people who feel doesn't fit their narrative.
04:22:38.000Well, you also, sorry, you do acknowledge that there's a passage in the Bible that does say, welcome the foreigner, for you were once foreigners in Israel, correct?
04:22:47.000Oh, well, that means mass immigration to destroy our country, right?
04:22:50.000I mean, the Catechism says, the Catechism of the Catholic Church addresses immigration, and it says that a nation has an obligation to take in as many people as they can.
04:23:00.000As refugees, not like maximum, like we're going to take in everybody.
04:23:05.000It means like that they reasonably can without, I don't know the exact passage, but it says like a reasonable amount that they can sustain.
04:23:12.000And it also says that the people that are immigrants or refugees, they have to respect the customs and the culture of the land.
04:23:19.000Neither of those things are being done.
04:23:21.000We're taking in way more than we can handle, taking way more immigrants and refugees and economic migrants.
04:23:25.000And by the way, they're not refugees, they're economic migrants.
04:27:49.000But we, well, I at least disagree with that being welcomed.
04:27:52.000I mean, I understand on a normie level saying, well, these people got treated badly and now they're not being treated badly.
04:28:01.000And, you know, I think that when we approach anybody who's doing something wrong, the answer is not to, you know, beat them up or something like that.
04:28:11.000I don't know why Violet is laughing here.
04:28:14.000Violet does this when it gets late at night.
04:28:18.000Yeah, no, I get a little weird when it gets late for me because I had this up.
04:28:26.000And then somebody spotlighted me, so I was like laughing.
04:28:34.000But the point is, like, we wouldn't have, like, a drug abusers parade or, like, alcoholics parade or, like, you know, a rapist parade or something, and not to compare homosexuality to rape, but the point is, it's a bad action.
04:29:14.000Let's bring back parades with crosses and nice things.
04:29:19.000As you look at these gay parades, and it's very telling, who comes out of the woodwork to these things?
04:29:24.000Is it like well adjusted, like normal people, or is it a lot of people that are doing freakish, deviant things and they're stripped down and they're dancing suggestively?
04:29:33.000Like, I think any person, even if you're not religious, some impulse says there's something immoral or scandalous about this.
04:29:41.000There's something natural about that sort of like repulsion emotion that people have when this kind of stuff comes around because it is wrong.
04:30:01.000And I, you know, maybe we shouldn't be like, you know, killing anybody, but we definitely shouldn't be celebrating that stuff.
04:30:07.000That stuff should stay, you know, get back in the closet, get back in the bedroom, wherever it was before.
04:30:13.000It needs to go back to where it came from because I weep when I see children that go to these parades and, you know, their mothers, it's always mothers, dress them up in rainbow outfits and everything.
04:30:23.000And it's like, this is what the devil wants.
04:30:25.000The devil is smiling whenever this kind of stuff happens.
04:30:28.000Every June, Isn't that kind of interesting?
04:30:30.000June, Pride Month, sixth month of the year.
04:30:32.000The devil smiles when people are throwing these big parades.
04:30:37.000I mean, I guess the thing that I'm trying to get at is that.
04:30:41.000So, like, I've totally gone through a whole different thing.
04:30:44.000Like, I really don't consider myself Catholic anymore as I've just learned and gone through life.
04:30:53.000I'm not going to talk about that, but I think it's just important to realize that they have been oppressed and there's a long history.
04:31:02.000Like with religion and just other aspects of life, of just like hatred, and like I don't know, it's just an interesting thing because like there should be a history type thing.
04:31:22.000Sorry, it's really late where I am, too.
04:31:26.000But I just like I think knowing the history of what has happened is relevant to the conversation.
04:33:01.000No jokes are off limits, like, if anybody's seen my stuff on the Hype House, you're and I get a lot of people like, you can't say that, you can't do that.
04:33:12.000Bro, I literally said I'm canceling a Tinder date with a Chinese girl because I don't want to catch Corona.
04:33:19.000See, like, I disagree with what Vincent's saying there, but like, I don't get mad at him for it because, like, a joke, even if it's a bad joke, in my opinion, and people on the left always get mad at me for this, but if it's the intention of a joke or meme or something, I won't get mad about it.
04:37:31.000My first question was I was scrolling through the timeline as you do, and I see Jaden McNeil, I see Jake Lloyd, I see all the boys posting Nick Video's newest TikTok.
04:37:44.000And I watched it, and all the comments seemed to agree that he was extremely homosexual on that TikTok.
04:37:51.000And I wanted to make clear I haven't seen any of his stuff or whatever.
04:37:55.000Are you actually a homosexual, or was that just that one video with the little?
04:38:00.000That's literally like the dumbest question.
04:38:18.000So, like, I have two things to say and then, like, two questions.
04:38:21.000So, I'm sorry for you, like, because you had to debate that anarchist yesterday, and he wants to, like, bring us all back to the Paleolithic era.
04:40:19.000I want to do specific thoughts on specifically the scientific experiments that German scientists were instructed to do during World War II.
04:40:32.000Well, I will say that there is a lot of nonsense floating around there.
04:40:38.000Like I said, not a denier, but we can all agree that this lampshades and bars are so business, a bunch of bullshit.
04:40:47.000If you read some of these diaries or personal accounts, and I don't know if you guys want to look into this, but they make these ridiculous claims.
04:40:57.000There was one claim, and this is, by the way, the Nuremberg trials.
04:41:00.000This is not like I'm pulling this out of my ass.
04:41:03.000This was in the Nuremberg trials when they're trying the Nazis for war crimes.
04:41:06.000You had a guy that claimed that they would electrify the floors to kill people.
04:41:13.000They had people that said that they would use carbon monoxide to kill people by running like gas engines.
04:41:19.000And, like, I mean, you know, the narrative is that it was Zyklon or whatever, but it wasn't carbon monoxide engines.
04:41:25.000You know, I mean, that doesn't make any sense.
04:41:27.000They would say that they would get ushered into like death chambers, get haircuts, then get the hair removed to make beds for Germans, move the people out, clean up the rooms, move them back in, then kill them.
04:41:39.000Like, So, you know, I think there's a lot of stuff that's clearly like, you know, atrocity propaganda.
04:41:47.000In any time, there's atrocity propaganda where they try and really make it heavy handed to guilt people and to, you know, bring down the hammer on the, you know, transgressing country.
04:41:57.000But obviously, I'm against, you know, genocide or human experimentation.
04:42:01.000I mean, I'm against things that are evil, but I, you know, like every Holocaust survivor said that they were experimented on by Mengele.
04:42:09.000Like every single one's the Nazi doctrine.
04:42:12.000It's like, Definitely, he existed and definitely did terrible things, but not every one of them saw that guy.
04:42:19.000Clearly, there's some fibbing going on.
04:42:23.000I would say that I'm against atrocities.
04:44:52.000Yo, Violet, Violet, Violet, can I say that one video that you made of like the beginning of MLU's video and then like you came out and like said all that funny ass shit?
04:45:03.000That was legitimately like the funniest TikTok I have ever seen in my phone.
04:49:15.000Like, I used to be good about answering DMs, but now, like, since I've gotten bigger, I just, I literally can't answer all of them and stuff.
04:49:21.000So, like, I only really answer like people.
04:49:23.000I go because my account's a creator account.
04:49:25.000Like, I have that set up, like, in the Instagram setting.
04:49:28.000So, I usually hit my, like, when I'm looking through my DMs, I hit top requests, which, which, like, puts the people with the most followers at the top.
04:49:36.000So, yeah, I only really answer people that, like, Have a big following or something.
04:49:40.000Sometimes I get other like big TikTokers that DM me and say they're like, they don't have enough clout for Nick.
04:49:45.000Well, no, I don't have time to answer everyone individually like I used to, but yeah, I mean, I don't use TikTok as a tool to find women or anything like that, if that's what you're asking.
04:49:53.000So it's like, but your political life is still sort of isolated from your life.
04:49:59.000Yeah, I so like, well, I'm not in college yet.
04:50:02.000I'm a senior at the moment, but ah, that's fine.
04:50:05.000But, um, like, I mean, at school, people like nobody at my school really treats me differently, like people that.
04:50:11.000Are outside of public school, like they kind of treat me a little differently, not like in a bad way.
04:50:15.000It's just like now because I have like, I don't consider myself famous.
04:50:19.000I think famous on TikTok is when you hit like a million, that's when you can like actually say like you're TikTok famous.
04:56:36.000But one thing that I have to add to that is if you look at what Portugal did, they used to have a really huge opioid overdose problem in Portugal, and they actually decriminalized it.
04:56:45.000And they saw their overdoses go down by a ton, a significant amount, by 85%, I think.
04:56:51.000And the reason for that was because people were.
04:56:54.000They were scared before that because they were scared if they turned themselves into the hospital arc or whatever to get treatment, that they would be sent to jail.
04:57:00.000And so, the way I look at it is if you legalize, I'm not necessarily for the legalization of hard drugs, but stuff like that.
04:57:09.000I mean, if you look at what Portugal did with that, it definitely helped their issue there.
04:57:14.000There were less people overdosing because they went to go get help and stuff like that.
04:57:18.000The main issue that I see with completely legalizing all hard drugs here is those people that were on that.
04:57:25.000Once they got help and everything, they would probably rely on other government social programs, welfare, stuff like that.
04:57:30.000And we already spend over $3 trillion on entitlements every year.
05:00:04.000Yeah, I think that, well, I mean, what else really can you do?
05:00:07.000I mean, obviously, the reason that Russia won't decrease their production as much as Saudi Arabia wants them to is because they know that when consumption is low and oil is not being sold, who is this going to hurt the most, right?
05:00:21.000Who are high prices going to hurt, or rather, low prices?
05:00:34.000I think that if we can't get a deal with OPEC, which is to say Saudi Arabia and Russia agreeing to cut production, that might be a good idea.
05:03:27.000So, I guess my question is for the TikTok kind of mainstream Republicans, has your guys' opinion on Nick changed since talking to him?
05:03:35.000Because you guys probably had a view of him before that he was like this racist Nazi, but now you kind of see that he's a good guy.
05:03:45.000Of course, the main clips to pull up on my YouTube feed are probably like the ones where it's like Nick Fuentes gets roasted by Ben Shapiro, you know?
05:03:53.000So, I mean, you know, yes, I had a definitely a different outlook of Nick going into this.
05:03:59.000And yeah, he's actually a human being.
05:06:12.000People that think that you should be allowed, that it should be promoted or accepted by our society or even allowed by the law to give kids these hormones and stuff like that, and even surgeries.
05:06:31.000Like, if you're gonna do that, you should at least be of age, like 18 years old.
05:06:34.000They should not let fucking kids do that shit when they're young and naive and don't know what they're getting into.
05:06:39.000Yeah, I just find it funny how they're gonna be like, oh, they can make their own decisions, but then when they do something, you can't make your own decisions.
05:07:10.000Like you, you don't like you don't support like gay prides because you say that being gay is a sin, but it is scientifically, it's a scientific fact that being gay is not a choice.
05:07:32.000They don't choose to be gay, they're born that way.
05:07:35.000So, how can you say, how can you say that it's a sin if you're born that way and you don't even, you don't even have a choice in the matter?
05:07:56.000But in any case, we can say that same sex attracted persons probably do not choose to be same sex attracted, which I would concede.
05:08:06.000But I would say that to act on those attractions is a choice.
05:08:09.000You know, a person might be predisposed to be an alcoholic.
05:08:13.000You know, I had a lot of family members.
05:08:16.000Going generations back, that were addicted to drugs or that had problems with alcohol.
05:08:20.000And so, you could say that I might have a predisposition to being an alcoholic or something like that.
05:08:26.000And so, for me to be, you know, having that predisposition, that in itself is not a sin.
05:08:31.000But if I were to become a drunkard, being a drunkard is a sin in the same way that, you know, maybe somebody's predisposed to be an adulterer.
05:08:39.000You know, maybe somebody has a higher libido.
05:08:41.000I don't know how the genetics work on that.
05:08:43.000But you might have the desire to have sex with somebody outside of marriage, but that does not mean that.
05:10:17.000No, I've never asked you, I just wanted to know if you were because I know you've gone to like some of their things and some of their deals in the past.
05:10:23.000I went to SAS, they haven't banned you yet.
05:10:46.000And so I came in the first day, and this turning point security guard kicked me out.
05:10:52.000I came back the next day, and he called the police.
05:10:54.000And the police came, and they were like, Can you come over here?
05:10:57.000And the security guard came over, and a whole crowd gathered around the police and started chanting, America first, America first, let him go, whatever.
05:11:06.000And I looked at this turning point security guard, this doofus, because they're not going to arrest me.
05:11:40.000All these, you know, elite types, all these owl types, Owl type people and turning point, they cannot stop us, they can't stop what's been started.
05:11:49.000So, I have no worries, but maybe I'll go to TSAS.
05:11:52.000I haven't, I don't have any plans, but maybe I'd show up and do some hijinking.
05:12:13.000And also, I'm a bit tired, but I've wanted to ask you about this, how you feel about this.
05:12:18.000So, in 21 states, state governments allow adoption agencies to make the choice to not adopt a gay couple solely for the fact that they are gay.
05:12:44.000But do you think that it's better for them to grow up in like an orphanage or a foster home where they could be abused?
05:12:50.000I think they probably would be more likely for them to get abused in a gay household than an orphanage, if you want to know the truth.
05:12:55.000And I think the other abuse is that, at least in an orphanage, they're not learning that sin is okay.
05:13:01.000You grow up in a gay household, and I mean, any gay partnership is not going to be one that's Christian or ordered towards God or anything like that.
05:13:09.000And it's like, sure, and not to minimize it, but if you go into a foster home, it's going to be rough, but you're not going to be on that path to hell.
05:13:16.000Like if you get raised by gay people and you think, oh, that's okay, everything's a free for all.
05:14:56.000I was just wondering because I'm conservative as well, but I feel like to some, right, they're still humans.
05:15:00.000They should still have the right to raise a child.
05:15:03.000But I understand what point you're coming from, the religious, because I'm Christian as well.
05:15:07.000So, I understand what you're saying there.
05:15:11.000I'd like kids to be raised in Christian households or Christian morals as well.
05:15:14.000But yeah, I understand what you mean there.
05:15:16.000Well, and a baby has a right to a father and a mother.
05:15:19.000So I feel like, you know, it's different if like a married couple does it versus like a gay couple because it's like you've deprived that child of their, I mean, they obviously have a biological mother, but they won't be raised by it.
05:15:39.000I understand your point, your side of it.
05:15:41.000Because, like, but also, how do you feel about like, do you think because, like, science shows that there is no psychological one thing is you could say, like, they could get bullied, of course, because you know, people are jerks, but there's no psychological things that show that it's worse for a kid to grow up with gay parents.
05:15:58.000Like, there's no psychological proof of that.
05:16:02.000Yeah, I haven't looked at the research proven to show that, like, if a kid grows up in a household with a father and a mother, and but just before I say this, I think that gay couples should be able to drop it.
05:16:13.000Grow up in that whole household in an orphanage.
05:16:15.000But it's been scientifically proven that if you grow up in a two parent household with a father and a mother, you're at a significantly, you're significantly a chance to commit crime and be in prison for it.
05:16:28.000But then how do you feel about, like, you know, in some gay couples, there's, like, let's say, like, for men, there's the more feminine man and the more masculine man.
05:16:35.000Do you understand what I'm trying to say?
05:16:48.000Do you understand what I'm trying to say?
05:16:51.000Just because I feel like how I personally feel about it, and I get called misogynistic for this, but I feel like in relationships, there should be the dad as the disciplinarian figure and the mother as the caretaker.
05:28:36.000Well, besides for the roasting, thank you for accompanying my stuffed animals.
05:28:39.000That one's named Mary Kate the Beagle.
05:28:41.000I slept, I've had that thing since I was like two years old, my uncle.
05:28:43.000So thank you for making fun of me for that one.
05:28:46.000But something I just wanted to say, just as somebody who was spectating this, before Nick even joined this chat, Um, and as somebody who's involved, like the whole campus conservative sort of like turning point college Republicans thing where I live in New York State, is before Nick joined, I like the conservative values.
05:29:01.000I don't know what your name is, sorry, but you were calling.
05:29:04.000I'm not saying this is a bad thing, I'm saying this as just general.
05:29:06.000This is what you're doing, and we're on the table and watch it.
05:29:09.000You were saying that Nick was racist, that his supporters were racist, and some of things along these lines.
05:29:15.000And as this conversation has progressed, I've seen, I've we've all seen this transformation of you and a lot of these other TikTok people into more.
05:29:25.000Being a lot more accepting of Nick's side and accepting of his supporters in his movement.
05:29:29.000And I think that's something that's very, I think it's very admirable that we've seen from you.
05:29:55.000Like, I've never done my own personal research into, you know, Nick's like, you know, beliefs and stuff other than just what I saw on YouTube.
05:30:02.000And so, yes, of course, you know, like Nick.
05:30:04.000Brought up earlier, he gets a lot of negative attention.
05:30:08.000And so, you know, it does hurt his, you know, persona in the public, you know, before people even give him a chance.
05:30:16.000And so, you know, I, yeah, I do agree totally that, you know, as things have progressed, and I, you know, I've begun to, you know, be more understanding, I guess, you know, be a little bit more, you know, open.
05:30:30.000And expanding on to that, I'm a before the MS, before the college semester got, you know, interrupted by this coronavirus thing.
05:30:36.000I gave, I was able to give a presentation during my college Republicans on a topic that Nick doesn't really talk about often, but it's sort of, I wanted to encapsulate some of like disagreements between conservatives.
05:30:50.000And the main idea of it was using the government to help people is a good idea.
05:30:55.000And just on that issue alone, just me like being alone, like I thought I was alone in that room, giving that discussion to a lot of like libertarian, conservative minded kids.
05:31:04.000After I gave that presentation, I was like debating all the people.
05:31:07.000I felt like I was debating a Steven Crowder.
05:31:10.000But, anyways, after I gave that presentation, a lot of the members came up to me and they thanked me for giving that perspective on something as simple as healthcare because they were scared to say that they thought that something like universal healthcare in this way that Germany or Japan does it, not like Medicare for all, like Sanders wants, but using the government to help people in that way is a good idea and that they are afraid to share that opinion because they thought they would be alone.
05:31:35.000And we call this the spiral of silence in the journalism field and the communications field.
05:31:43.000The spiral of silence is where if you think you're alone, you're not going to speak.
05:31:47.000And something that Nick has been able to grasp onto in the conservative movement is that he is one of the only people, like most visible out there people, that are sharing his views on immigration, his views on race, his views on certain lobbies in the government.
05:32:06.000That he is the one, and his movement is going to lead to more and more people being comfortable with sharing their positions.
05:32:14.000And as you said previously, you had this perception of Nick and his movement as sort of this out there, sort of like internet, dark corner, alt right thing, I think some of you were calling him.
05:32:49.000Cause that was like, you know, I guess for all of us, you know, people who do politics on TikTok, like, you know, whenever, you know, Nick comes on the scene, of course, it's like one of those things, like, oh my gosh, everybody hears about it.
05:32:59.000I mean, I mean, the man has 2,600 followers, I think, or had 2,600 followers on TikTok and had, you know, like over a thousand people on his live.
05:33:08.000So, I mean, I think that goes to show, you know, like his, you know, fans' dedication, his, you know, followers' dedication, everything to, you know, his movement that he's begun.
05:33:17.000And so, you know, I definitely, uh, I definitely think that, you know, I think this opportunity, it's given an opportunity for all of us to, I guess, hear him out, you know, especially for all of us who maybe had not before.
05:34:20.000No, I mean, listen, I am open to hearing anybody's point of view.
05:34:23.000That doesn't mean that Nick going into this knew that he was going to change everybody's minds, you know, that whenever he got in here, you know, the point was for all of us to.
05:34:58.000And so that's what I was trying to figure out who that was before I finished talking.
05:35:01.000Anyways, but yeah, no, going into this, everybody wanted to ask Nick questions and find out further what he believed.
05:35:09.000You know, it's because it's a different story whenever you're talking to someone, you know, one on one, having them answer your questions and having them, you know, give you insight on what they believe rather than what, you know, some journalist or some YouTube video says about somebody.
05:37:44.000You're not like, you know, sometimes I get on a stream and people are like, oh, you hate women and they're simps or whatever, but you guys are based.
05:37:53.000Yeah, it's nice not being on a stream of Destiny every other moment.
05:48:54.000My question was like a genuine question.
05:48:57.000Like, I didn't understand why you guys repeatedly would go into different groups.
05:49:02.000Like, I believe, I forget his name, but there was a boy who was talking about trans rights and like LGBTIA issues earlier, much earlier, not this late.
05:49:15.000And he was talking about things, and you guys would like directly go and I guess just go and see like the bad parts of the movement.
05:49:26.000So, like, I guess my question is I don't understand why, in all progressive movements, you guys choose to explicitly see the parts of the movement that are bad.
05:49:36.000Like, of course, there are going to be feminists that are feminazis, I guess, or that hate men and don't portray the movement as it is.
05:49:43.000Or, of course, there's trans people that molest kids.
05:49:48.000There are tons of people that are bad in every single progressive or any single movement, if you were to look into that.
05:49:56.000But I just don't understand why you guys like to pinpoint those and take those and be like, oh, these are the people that represent the entirety of it.
05:50:08.000If I may answer with an answer that hasn't been said yet tonight, the reason we pick out these sort of examples of the extreme parts of your movement, or any movement for that matter, is we see these people as the logical conclusion of that line of thinking.
05:50:24.000So, when we're talking about transgenderism, we're talking about gay rights and stuff like that.
05:50:29.000The reason pedophilia and NAMBLA and those groups were brought up was that the line of thinking and the arguments in favor of transgenderism.
05:50:39.000We see it as it is, it can eventually be a way to justify pedophilia or justify other acts that we consider deviant, or I'm sure even you consider deviant.
05:50:49.000So that's one of the main reasons we pick those out.
05:50:51.000So I could refute that argument by saying that the right wing movement or people in the right wing movement could be passing legislation to be openly homophobic, racist.
05:51:03.000That's you confirming my, that's you agreeing with me that there are parts of every movement that maybe the Lato conclusion is something like that.
05:51:12.000Agreeing that wasn't my general question, but yeah, I am conceding, I guess, to the fact that there are parts of every movement that can be seen in a negative light.
05:51:20.000But I don't understand negative, it's awesome, and it's the natural conclusion of any straight male who thinks logically.
05:51:27.000Do you know the scientific study that when men separate myself from that opinion, when men see is Nick's video still on?
05:51:35.000When men see two men kissing, they have the same mental reaction that they do to seeing, uh, like a bowl of maggots.
05:52:42.000Some of these things, like racist, obviously you could say, like, well, hating all black people.
05:52:47.000Is we could say that that's wrong, and you know, conservatives can occupy a space where you know we're not actually like racist, and we could all objectively say meaningfully that some of that is bad.
05:52:58.000But being homophobic, it's like, or transphobic, you like hardly can be Christian without also being homophobic.
05:53:05.000You can hardly be Christian without being, I mean, what does that actually mean?
05:53:09.000I mean, I reject the existence of trans people.
05:56:19.000If I may add on to the voting question here, I'm not really like from a sex or a race point of view, but when over time, there have been studies like over time where like the vote, when voting has been expanded to the general population, see like in the beginning of the country where it was only landowning whites could vote, you had like the average speech, like the average grade level of a speech of a presidential candidate was like grade of 12.
05:56:41.000Vote kept getting expanded and expanded to more people, to non landowning citizens.
05:56:47.000Dropped back down to, I believe, eight or nine.
05:56:49.000Then, obviously, after the Civil War, when African Americans were given the right to vote, I think it stayed the same a little bit, but then went down as the new demographics were brought in.
05:56:58.000And then, when women were given the vote in the 1920s, I'm saying I disagree with that.
05:57:01.000I disagree with the thing of women voting.
05:57:05.000Sorry to cuck a little bit there, but I'm just giving a wider perspective on this.
05:57:07.000No, no, this guy's got the right idea.
05:57:19.000And as we've gone, and even in the 1950s, we let them just slip it in.
05:57:22.000That's the final voting reforms of the Voting Rights Act.
05:57:24.000We've seen the grade level of presidential speeches go way down through the roof, through the floor, not through the roof, through the floor.
05:57:32.000This is how you get people like President Trump, where me and Nick, I'm sure, would agree that Trump is a genius, that he does know what he's doing, but with his speaking patterns and his style of marketing, it is lowest common denominator.
05:57:44.000And the reason for that is because we have a lot of people voting.
05:59:15.000You know, you kind of came in kind of hot, and so they're really just giving you what you gave back, honestly.
05:59:20.000Because if you paid attention to the whole conversation, everybody was chill, and they all were normal until you came in super hot, flipping everybody off, talking snack.
05:59:30.000And literally, that is literally the only reason why everybody is piling on you right now.
05:59:35.000So, if you would just come out and just be normal and talk like a regular person.
06:05:32.000I think that the biggest goal that we need to look for, that we need to push towards, is just teaching people that ideas from the radical left are just, they're not good and they're not going to dive towards getting away from those radical leftist ideologies.
06:05:50.000And you can look at it from many different perspectives on how you want to get there.
06:05:53.000You can look at it from Nick's perspective.
06:05:54.000From Nick Fuentes' perspective of just shutting everything, shutting all the way.
06:06:04.000I mean, honestly, like, it's just, I think that at this point in time, going, we're going to become radical.
06:06:12.000Like, we're just, there's so many, so many, like, people that are just being enlightened, enlightened, I guess, by this progressive movement.
06:07:21.000But I think to get to the radical left, it would require a sort of demographic change that you couldn't just shift back from to like, Unless we go Nick's route, Nick Fuentes's route, how are we just supposed to lose?
06:07:39.000Like, is that what you tell the common man?
06:07:41.000Well, you know, just we're going to lose, but we got to debate ideas and convince people that leftist ideas are wrong.
06:08:45.000Let me just add this on to the demo to the voting demographic issue.
06:08:49.000You all know the story of Governor George Wallace, the evil, racist, you know, segregationist governor George Wallace.
06:08:56.000He was a Democrat, obviously, in the South.
06:08:58.000And after in like the 1980s, after he like repented and became like a non racist sort of Jimmy Carter type figure in the South, African Americans overwhelmingly supported him because of party loyalty.
06:09:10.000So, if blacks are able to, so if African Americans are willing to support literally George Wallace, the most archetypal segregationist of all, like arguably in modern US history, because of party identification, how does that give you any hope that they'll eventually come to the GOP?
06:10:00.000We need to whip the whites into shape, man.
06:10:03.000Sam Francis wrote about this in the 1990s.
06:10:06.000He called the Middle American Radicals.
06:10:08.000And Middle American Radicals, he wrote a long book about it called Revolt, Revolution from the Middle.
06:10:15.000And he talked about how there's a major demographic that crosses party lines of middle Americans, middle Americans that are maybe more culturally conservative, and maybe it's a little bit more, there's a lot of variability with economic and other issues, but people to overthrow the system essentially, not unlike a violent revolution, but politically.
06:10:38.000And maybe then we'll have a chance at staving off the winter for our civilization.
06:10:43.000But we'll see a lot of it's contingent on.
06:10:46.000How events transpire in the next few years.
06:10:49.000You know, I mean, a lot of it's very variable and contingent, unpredictable.
06:10:54.000You know, some people might have said the country is going one way before 2015, and then Trump announced, became president, and here we are.
06:11:01.000So things can change, but that's sort of the idea because these people, it's different.
06:11:16.000It's like, Kyle said, the Chad autist, it's like he said, the party identification is unbreakable.
06:11:24.000And you might have, depending on the group, a little bit more leeway than others, but it's not going to happen because there's so many people coming in.
06:11:33.000The demographics are changing so rapidly that we don't have time for Lance to go to Tijuana with his constitution and tell everybody why the First Amendment is such a winner because these people, they don't have, it's like going to Iraq and trying to create a democracy.
06:12:12.000What I meant to say is another way to look at this is why would we even want African Americans to vote for us to begin with?
06:12:19.000You can see within the African American community, they have these major divisions.
06:12:23.000Clearly, between their women and their men.
06:12:24.000You see this in the divorce rates and domestic violence disputes and all that.
06:12:28.000And really, the only demographic we would be able to target to vote for the GOP is African American working class men.
06:12:34.000And we already have all these divisions in their community.
06:12:38.000Why would we want to add, how would it be helpful to them to add another division of party identification between their men and their women?
06:12:46.000I don't think that would help them in any given, like, perceivable way, besides for helping us win more elections, which, I mean, at the end of the day, who cares?
06:12:53.000Well, I mean, it's important to win elections, obviously, but if it's going to cause, like, Counterproductive achievements that we don't want to achieve that we would otherwise want.
06:13:04.000Like, we want an orderly society, and having more division is less order.
06:13:16.000What I'm saying is we should not encourage division between in the middle of a community that's already heavily divided on gender when the only demographic that would vote for the GOP would be the men, not the women.
06:13:29.000And if we want an orderly society that is run with laws and that is run cohesively with all the populations, why would we want more division like that than there already is?
06:13:55.000We just make it easier for white people to have kids because it's super hard for a working class white family to have a big family right now.
06:16:07.000If I got unmuted earlier, I was going to bring up some stats that say that gay parents, the kids end up having more problems than with married parents.
06:16:14.000So it's a little too late for that now.
06:16:16.000But also, someone in the chat said the kid with the Nick the knife.
06:19:09.000Good night, good night, good night, everybody.
06:19:12.000Good night, uh, good night, my uh, test tube buddy Lance and everybody else.
06:19:20.000So, I'm gonna unmute everybody and everybody say thank you to Nick for showing up for all, say thank you, thank you, Nick, for being around.