00:00:31.000If we can jump right into that, we got a lot of things to talk about.
00:00:35.000In the culture, some not so big stories, some pretty regular things, but obviously the big story from today is the Gainesville Richard Spencer speech, which was this afternoon.
00:00:46.000And so we had exclusive interviews on that earlier today with James.
00:00:50.000We saw some high numbers, some high viewership, some big super chats.
00:01:10.000Obviously, they just pulled off this big event, which took a lot of organization, a lot of planning, and a lot of courage to an extent.
00:01:19.000As much as I may criticize some of the activism that goes on, I've never been quiet about the fact that it takes enormous courage for these guys to go out and do what they do, whether it's Spencer who goes out and speaks, whether it's Eli Mosley and Enoch for speaking, organizing the event, the people that showed up to hear it, and they faced all kinds of threats from being doxxed, from having their identities revealed.
00:01:43.000Getting hit in the face, all kinds of other things.
00:01:45.000So, you know, first and foremost, before we talk about the good things, the bad things, before we jump into critic mode, before we jump into evaluative mode, I want to say, as somebody who does political stuff myself, that we give our hat off to them for their activism because it takes balls to do activism.
00:02:05.000It takes serious balls for them to go into a hostile city, a hostile crowd, a hostile university where they don't know if they're going to be protected.
00:02:16.000You know, they don't know what they're coming up against.
00:02:18.000To an extent, they understood the threat from Antifa, but obviously they didn't count on all those protesters infiltrating the actual event.
00:02:35.000I mean, that's what we're talking about every day on this show going out and doing it, going out and being the change that you want to see in the world.
00:02:47.000So before we jump into any criticism, any kind of evaluation of it, we want to be clear that we respect the sacrifices they're making in terms of monetary sacrifice, in terms of sacrifice to their reputation.
00:03:00.000Obviously, the risk that they're taking that they go down there.
00:03:03.000We want to say we're happy that everybody got in and got out in one piece and they're healthy and they're okay.
00:03:09.000Because obviously, that can't always be said with some of these events.
00:03:12.000They tend to sometimes spiral out of control.
00:03:15.000It's a little bit unpredictable because we've seen that the government.
00:03:19.000And many college campuses are not keen to protect our people.
00:03:22.000They're not very keen to protect our rights and our persons.
00:03:26.000So I'm just glad everybody got in and got out.
00:03:29.000Now that we have that out of the way, now that we have the requisite, the necessary preface, which I think is necessary and which I think is fair, we look at what happened in Gainesville.
00:03:41.000And here's, again, here's my only position on what happens with Spencer, what happens with NPI, what happens with them.
00:04:00.000It's not necessarily that Charlottesville 1, 2, and 3 are bad.
00:04:04.000It's not that Gainesville and Auburn are bad.
00:04:07.000It's just that I don't think you can properly evaluate one way or the other when you don't have a long term or a short term objective, when you don't have a clearly identified long and short term objective.
00:04:20.000Because how can you evaluate if something was good for your movement or bad for your movement?
00:04:25.000How can you evaluate if something was a success or a failure?
00:04:29.000If you have no benchmark to measure it up against, if you have no objective that you have to measure it up against, in the sense that you can go out and you can do activism and maybe it's good, maybe it's bad.
00:04:40.000Certainly it's arguable if these things are a net positive or a net negative.
00:04:45.000I don't think until we have 10 or 15 years, I don't think we will have truly the scale.
00:04:51.000I don't think we'll have the totality of context and vision to see if these things are truly good or bad.
00:04:57.000But in the absence of a short or a long term goal, it's just very difficult to say in the present day.
00:05:04.000If these things are constructive, do you follow?
00:05:09.000I'm not saying that they're doing bad work.
00:05:11.000I'm not saying that they're not good or they're racist or anything approaching that.
00:05:15.000But I am saying that I think it is a little bit wasteful when they go to the trouble that they do and they do these massive things.
00:05:24.000They do, because obviously this was a big event in terms of the organization, the coordination with police, with the campus.
00:05:31.000They paid $10,000 for the facility, the campus paid $500,000 for security.
00:05:37.000They had all kinds of media coverage from around the world and nationwide, which is a big deal.
00:05:43.000But I think that it's a little bit silly to go to all this trouble to do and work so hard and sacrifice so much when you don't have a clearly identified objective that this can contribute to.
00:05:55.000Because it would be one thing if, like Mosley and Spencer and Enoch were saying, our objective is X, Y, and Z. When we go and do this rally, it will shift the Overton window to the right in this way.
00:06:08.000And then we will expand our organization and we'll start running candidates.
00:06:11.000And then when we run candidates, we can start a spoiler party.
00:06:14.000And then maybe that it would be one thing if there was some long term objective, if there was some concept of how we get from point A to point B.
00:06:23.000But in the absence of that, in the absence of this long term, in the absence of a goal, a clearly identifiable objective that people can say, did this contribute to that or did it not?
00:06:35.000Did we move in the right direction or did we move two steps back?
00:07:13.000So, to co opt the free speech idea, to co opt the free speech cause, is a big one just on the intrinsic fact that free speech is something that appeals to everybody.
00:07:23.000You go to the supermarket, you go to the mall, you go to any political rally, and people will say they support free speech.
00:07:31.000Probably nine out of ten people will say they support free speech.
00:07:35.000And in addition to that, you see all the infrastructure, all the capital, both rhetorical, political, fiscal, etc., to boost the free speech message.
00:07:44.000And so to co opt that is to take advantage of all the groundwork that's already been set forth.
00:07:49.000So, in that sense, I think a lot of what they're doing is very good.
00:07:52.000I think it's very strategic and smart that they've co opted the free speech movement, and the alt light can no longer say that they own that.
00:08:00.000Cernovich, PJW, Alex Jones, even to an extent, have to say, we're against hate speech, or we're for free speech, but we hate these guys.
00:08:10.000It's sort of this tepid, half hearted endorsement.
00:08:13.000They've lost the energy, they've lost the initiative on that issue.
00:08:17.000Number two, it's another demonstration of the insanity of the left, the insanity of the globalists.
00:08:24.000And the bankruptcy of the right wing in this country.
00:08:27.000That when you have this massive protest and you bring out all these motley, disgusting animals that show up to protest these events, these like gender queer, you know, they have like the piercings and the weird hair and they're racially confused and mixed and sexually confused and mixed.
00:08:45.000And you have all the soy boys and all these butch lesbians and some of the more violent people.
00:09:00.000That's always a good thing when those people get on television because you'll have your blue dog Democrats, your conservative traditionalist Democrats in Wisconsin or Michigan or Pennsylvania, who maybe they support a social safety net, but they see that the progressives, the globalists, are driving their party to the left to this insane clown world place.
00:09:22.000And when you get those people on television, I think that does help drive people maybe not so much towards Richard Spencer, but away from the left.
00:09:39.000The third is that you get the name out there, you get the ideas out there for people that watch this speech who have never heard of Spencer before, who have never heard of the alt right before, who have never heard these arguments before.
00:09:51.000It's a good thing that you get exposure.
00:10:23.000And I'm trying to feed it as tactfully as possible, as gently as possible, because a lot of people get pissed off when I criticize the real life activism.
00:10:34.000And I'm not going to pull any punches, but.
00:10:36.000I want people to understand where I'm at.
00:10:41.000I'm not just some guy ranting and raving at people that are doing things because I respect that people are doing things and I respect the sacrifices that come with that and the organization, et cetera.
00:10:51.000So I want to lay that out before we jump into the criticism because people think I'm all hate, I'm all a culture of critique, but that's not the case.
00:11:00.000Here's what I think can be done better.
00:11:02.000Here is what I think leaves something to be desired.
00:11:06.000I watched the coverage of this event, and number one, there is no Aside from Ruptly, I think, which had a pretty good stream, there was really not a solid taping of this event.
00:11:18.000There was not a solid high quality video audio presentation of this.
00:11:24.000That's a huge, that is a huge flaw right from the start.
00:11:28.000I mean, you go to the trouble to put this thing together, you risk life and limb to get there, you get all the media, and nobody has like a professional camera, professional audio, like there wasn't planning for that.
00:11:42.000I know Mosley posted something about how the periscope went out on his phone.
00:11:48.000If you're going to go to the trouble, if you're going to spend $10,000, you're going to make an investment like that to get your message out, that's what it's about, to get coverage for your message.
00:11:57.000You should be sure that your message is being captured in a way that people can watch comfortably, in a way that people will want to watch, where it's not like this back of the room, poor audio, kind of covered by the media.
00:12:12.000So that's a takeaway that is pretty practical, logistical, that I think needs to be addressed with some of these events.
00:12:21.000I don't know what kind of fiscal situation they're in.
00:12:23.000I'm not sure what the permit situation was with that, if that was possible.
00:12:27.000But from the outside looking in, it just looks a little bit wasteful that they didn't perfect before they got in there the audio and the video recording.
00:12:36.000You know, could you imagine if you went and you gave a big political speech and nobody recorded it?
00:12:40.000You know, it would have been nice that you got coverage, but it would have been really nice if people saw it in a clean, well edited, high quality package.
00:12:51.000But then, number two, the whole optics of the event was very poor in terms of it's Spencer just on a stage.
00:13:00.000It's just Spencer on an unadorned stage, and he's just walking around with this microphone.
00:13:06.000And during the QA, you have Enoch and Mosley kind of like in the background, just kind of standing there with their hands in their pockets.
00:13:12.000Again, this is not like a substantive thing, it sounds nitpicky, but these things are so important.
00:13:18.000When you look at the conservative movements, when you look at Ted Cruz, when you look at Cabot Phillips and who's the nitwit from Turning Point?
00:13:29.000These are the things that they spend thousands and thousands, millions of dollars in some cases at their training facilities to teach people about how to control these optics, how to control and make it look professional, how to make it look nice.
00:13:59.000That's not because they're confused people, but just I don't think they plan for the logistics of the situation.
00:14:06.000And that, it's not like the worst thing in the world, but when we're up against the things we're up against, when we already have the entire media against us, the whole conservative, liberal, globalist establishment against us, have to be doing everything in our power to make sure that everything that is in our control is 100% airtight, looks good, looks clean, comes across and looks nice to the human eye.
00:14:31.000And these things are easy and simple to fix.
00:14:33.000So the recording of it, the setting, there should have been a stage, or not a stage rather, but a podium.
00:14:39.000There should have been maybe better lighting.
00:14:40.000Maybe there should have been a place, a table with a tablecloth, some chairs for Enoch and Mosley to sit when they weren't speaking.
00:14:48.000These are little things, but important things.
00:14:50.000And if they're little things, they're easy to fix.
00:14:54.000You didn't get a lot of people to show up either.
00:14:56.000And this is a criticism which I kind of understand why there were not so many people.
00:15:01.000Because number one, there's the threat of doxing, of course.
00:15:05.000And then number two, there was a very strict, stringent vetting procedure for people to get tickets to come into the event.
00:15:12.000Again, that's also understandable because of the threat of obviously violence or something like that.
00:15:18.000But if that's the case, then there should have been a smaller venue.
00:15:20.000There should have been a smaller stage, smaller building size.
00:15:25.000These are things that, again, are being taught in Alexandria and Arlington, Virginia at the Leadership Institute at Young Americans for Liberty, Turning Point USA.
00:15:35.000One of the first rules is you should book a space that is about the third of the size of the expected audience.
00:15:43.000Because, and think of it, this is pretty simple.
00:15:46.000Does it look better to have a venue which is standing room only?
00:15:49.000And maybe it's small, but it looks like it's filled, it's packed.
00:15:53.000People can't get in because it's just stuffed with people.
00:15:55.000There are people standing up because they want to hear the speech and it's tight and everything.
00:15:59.000Or do you want to see an event where there's 20 people in the front row that are all obviously associated with the people that organized it?
00:16:07.000Again, these are helpful criticisms that go a long way, and these are things that you'll hear on the news.
00:16:15.000This is not like strategy, this is not tactics.
00:16:18.000These are just simple logistical things that go a long way.
00:16:22.000And I understand it's a movement that's in its infancy to an extent, organizationally, in terms of its infrastructure, in terms of training its members.
00:16:30.000But these are the things that should be airtight going forward.
00:16:34.000Beyond that, the overall tone of the message, I think, needs to be tweaked.
00:16:39.000And in addition, I guess the rhetorical optics, which I'll explain that later.
00:16:44.000But I mean, from the tone angle, you hear Richard Spencer and.
00:16:49.000I like Richard Spencer, like as a person.
00:16:59.000Kind of this edgy and almost like smug.
00:17:01.000I'm kind of a smug person in real life, so it's funny to me when I see Spencer.
00:17:06.000But when you're making a mass political movement, the objective of politics for anybody, whether you're a pariah or you're not, is to appear humble, is to appear likable, to appear like you care, you're empathetic to the common people, and even the people that disagree with you.
00:17:38.000But when I hear his message, which is important, which needs to be heard, and he, I think, to an extent, taints it with this bitter, kind of defensive, resentful tone, it kind of poisons the vessel a bit.
00:18:02.000I mean, these are people that can contribute to the movement, and they just don't, it just doesn't gel with even like a regular, even a young person who's a conservative, the impolite kind of resentful thing.
00:18:23.000And not like I have sympathy for the protesters, but just in terms of making this speech have mass appeal, there's a way to make fun of people.
00:18:32.000Riley observed that these people haven't bathed in a while.
00:18:35.000There's a way to observe that these people are not winners.
00:18:37.000You could say maybe they're not sending their best.
00:18:40.000That would be like an endearing, um, and an allusion to Donald Trump, people that, um, a guy that people can get behind, a guy that is endearing.
00:18:48.000But to call them like morons, I think it just sends the wrong message.
00:18:51.000And then on the rhetorical side of things, the, um, the message I think needs to be totally re altered and shaped into Americana.
00:19:02.000I get, I get the idea of identitarianism.
00:19:05.000I get the idea of race being important and obviously white heritage and all of this.
00:19:11.000But again, I think you would have a much greater appeal.
00:19:14.000The optics would have been much better.
00:20:29.000Because I, again, this is a theory, and I submit this humbly as somebody who's new to the movement, as a young guy who hasn't organized activism.
00:20:38.000But I have this idea that if people see, instead of some like European guy yelling at people, talking about Wagner and Black Lives Matter are yelling him, that looks like a shit show.
00:20:48.000But if they're yelling at, A cool, calm, collected American patriot with flags everywhere.
00:20:56.000White people should just be allowed to exist.
00:20:58.000And talking about Americana, what's going to play better on Fox News?
00:21:01.000What's going to play better on Breitbart?
00:21:03.000That's not to say we want to be like Fox News, but we get coverage and it looks good.
00:21:07.000And people like our movement and maybe they show up next time.
00:21:11.000Instead of people in white t shirts and khakis trying to imitate like a European identitarian movement, which is European in character, what if they showed up in, I don't know, some kind of American outfit, just look like Regular, regular, hardworking people.
00:21:26.000If you had like blue collar looking people there.
00:21:39.000There are a few things I disagree with Spencer on in terms of substance.
00:21:43.000And I think they're doing a good job because they are pioneers, they are frontiersmen.
00:21:48.000This has not been explored in America.
00:21:50.000This is a new time in America, and they are trailblazers.
00:21:54.000Anything that I criticize about them, I do only for constructive purposes.
00:21:59.000So to help them, because they are trailblazers, and I think they do need a little bit of guidance here.
00:22:07.000I'm not saying I know everything, but these things should be taken into consideration.
00:22:12.000So all of these criticisms that I'm saying have nothing to do with their ideology, who they are, they're bad, nothing like that.
00:22:20.000It's just, can they clean it up a little bit?
00:22:22.000Absolutely, and that would go a long way.
00:22:24.000And I think if they rethought the optics of it in terms of the substantive optics, which is the flags, the Americana as opposed to the Europa, I think that is something worth considering.
00:22:37.000I told you, 250 IQ requirement to watch this.
00:22:41.000We are enforcing that because low IQ people like Reinhard Wolf, they can't watch it because they'll get all offended like their milk has been spilled over and they'll cry and they'll send me emails.
00:23:07.000I try, I'm not trying to upset the apple cart.
00:23:10.000I'm not trying to pee in anybody's Cheerios here, but I am just trying to say that for the amount of time that goes into these things, and again, I want to stress, Eli Mosley is a workhorse.
00:23:24.000I mean, this guy has completely overhauled his organization.
00:23:43.000I think he's doing God's work out there.
00:23:45.000And obviously, the money and time and thought that went into this is commendable.
00:23:51.000And all I'm saying, sitting here again as somebody who's not involved in that activism, who wasn't out there on the streets, is to say that these little tweaks can be made and all that work goes so much farther if you make these little tweaks.
00:26:39.000That would be the smart way to protest it.
00:26:41.000Turning Point USA, do you want to know how they protest the safe space?
00:26:45.000They set up a playpen for children and they put on diapers.
00:26:50.000There's this one guy, he's walking around in a diaper.
00:26:54.000Without pants or shoes or socks, with his shirt tucked in with a binky in his mouth.
00:27:00.000And he's laying around on the concrete.
00:27:02.000He's laying around on the disgusting ground in a diaper, naked from the diaper down, sucking on a pacifier, and they're protesting safe spaces.
00:27:12.000And I think, like, is this all just an elaborate joke?
00:27:55.000Hey, look, if you're tired of me sifting through my whatever, you got to go to the super chat and donate so I could hire a production assistant.
00:28:18.000How do you say, how do you look at what the left is doing where they're playing with Play Doh and they're coloring with crayons to escape Donald Trump and you say, you know how I'm going to make fun of that?
00:29:55.000This was when we had a serious country.
00:29:58.000This is when we had serious people in a serious country.
00:30:01.000These people were protesting in a legal war in Cambodia that was launched without congressional approval, without congressional oversight, contrary to the international laws of war, unilaterally by the White House, specifically by Richard Nixon and his inner circle, protesting the.
00:32:26.000What you have is a lot of people who are not political, who have no background in politics, who have no background in philosophy, they have no philosophical foundation for their political views.
00:32:37.000But because of the 2016 election, because of the ubiquity of press coverage and need for people to talk about these things and perspectives and long form pieces, all kinds of cosmopolitans with money and time rose up, opportunists with money and time rose up to take advantage of it, to jump in front of the spotlight as opportunists do when these events happen.
00:32:59.000I'm talking about Milo Yiannopoulos, I'm talking about Mike Cernovich, I'm talking about Ali Akbar, I'm talking about Jack Posobiak, people who are like not.
00:33:21.000And in the wake of the 2016 election, as the press coverage has died down, as the political fever has died down, although certainly it has not died down as much as it has in past elections, usually it goes from election night to after election night in terms of how much people care about politics.
00:33:40.000This election, it's the never ending election.
00:33:43.000But still, you had a dramatic decrease in the amount of coverage, the amount of money that was coming around as a result of politics.
00:33:51.000And now what you have is an oversaturation where there are more pundits, more websites, more books than the market can sustain that people are willing to look at, that people are willing to pay for.
00:34:01.000And so as a result, you have a lot of incompetent people who don't know what they're talking about that need to be bred out, that need to be killed off, essentially.
00:34:21.000But what I'm saying is, you have an oversaturation of the market where these people who don't know what they're talking about need to lose their subscribers.
00:34:30.000People need to stop paying attention to them because they don't know what they're talking about.
00:34:34.000Maybe they produced good content during the election because there was an appetite for lots of content during the election, lots of different kinds of content.
00:34:43.000Funny content, serious content, analytical content, perspective content, black content, white content, gay content, straight, you know, all kinds of content.
00:34:51.000But now that there's no market for it, now you just have a bunch of dummies who are talking out of their butts about things they know nothing about.
00:34:59.000These are the people we're talking about.
00:35:00.000Cassie Dillon, these are the people we're talking about.
00:35:03.000These types who, you know, they have some Fox News talking point to regurgitate and they think that needs to be heard a thousand times through a megaphone.
00:35:33.000He'll dedicate all of his Zionist money, all of his Zionist supremacist money, to talking about why corporations should pay lower taxes, and he won't give a breath to the fact that white people will be a minority in 20 years, that Texas will be a blue state in 10 years.
00:36:55.000I will say what's different about Lucian from the others, and I think this is important.
00:36:59.000What's different from Lucian and the others is you can tell that Lucian has at least thought about politics.
00:37:05.000Unlike these other guys where they're just regurgitating platitudes and talking points, you can tell that Lucian, you know, maybe he's.
00:37:12.000Maybe he hasn't read the same books that we have.
00:37:15.000You can tell that he's given it some serious thought.
00:37:17.000Like when I challenged him on my periscope about race realism and some of these obvious things about how Africa's a bad place for a reason and et cetera, et cetera, he had a response.
00:37:27.000He had a coherent philosophy, which maybe it's wrong.
00:38:21.000I think it would be far more productive if we had a flank on our left that is still on the right wing, but to our left that was articulate, that was smart, and that was willing to engage.
00:38:34.000Imagine if, like, Dave Rubin was a serious political thinker and he had on people like Neon James or people like Richard Spencer and people got to hear that exchange.
00:38:43.000I think not only would people hear the truth that we have to say, but both sides would get smarter.
00:38:50.000Both sides would get closer to the truth because I'm sure there are things in the alt right that could use sharpening.
00:38:56.000And I, you know, that's not anything in particular, but this is just tends to happen when you have discourse you sharpen your arguments, you sharpen your logic, you sharpen the coherence of your worldview, and the same will happen for them.
00:39:11.000And as a result, both sides will get closer to what needs to be done.
00:39:15.000So, you know, I bag on the alt light a lot, and I only bag on the people that attack me, by the way.
00:39:21.000But if everybody on the alt light was more like Lucian, and certainly I don't advocate for the alternative lifestyle.
00:39:30.000I mean it in terms of if they were willing to discuss, if they had a coherent ideology, if they thought about ideology, we would be so much better off.
00:39:38.000I hope we can forge that in the future.
00:39:41.000I hope people in the alt light will step up and provide us with that, step up and give us the right wing, give America what it needs, which is that.
00:39:51.000And hopefully more people like him will take leadership in there.
00:39:54.000And we can have a discussion, we can have a working dialogue, and at the very least, cooperation, because to a certain extent, there is this purity spiral in the alt right where if you're not an unironic Hitlerian, if you're not an unironic exterminationist, you're not good enough, you're a cuck, you can't be in the movement.
00:40:13.000But it would do us good to expand our scope, maybe not in terms of our ranks, but in terms of who we work with.
00:40:21.000The alt right is anti war, the alt right is anti illegal immigration, the alt right is against bad trade deals.
00:42:45.000And he pretends to be in the right wing, but at the same time, he has like this sick inferiority complex because he's black and because maybe he's a closeted homo.
00:42:54.000But he has this weird thing where he pretends to be on the right wing.
00:42:57.000And yet, he'll be on with Lucian Wintridge, who's like a Goldwater, all Americans are created equal, Thomas Jefferson conservative, and he's counter signaling, calling him racist.
00:43:08.000So he is like, This alien, he's the most fascinating thing in the world to me, and not even like he's interesting.
00:43:14.000This guy does not have an interesting original thought in his brain, but interesting to observe like an animal in the wilderness, like when you see a spider crawling around your kitchen or whatever, and you kind of look at it and you're like, well, that's neat.
00:44:08.000I'm not gonna come after him for that, right?
00:44:12.000But what's funny about it is he's gonna go around saying, like, James Alsup and Richard Spencer have, like, this gay thing going on.
00:44:19.000And there's like abundant evidence that quite literally he would like to do things.
00:44:26.000He would like to interact in a sexual way with young, fashy, white boys, quite like myself and like others.
00:44:35.000And so it's just funny to me that you have like this he is the manifestation of the confused right wing.
00:44:42.000He is the embodiment of the right wing, completely dissonant, completely confused, mentally ill.
00:44:50.000Neurotic, where he has all these different, like, competing demons in his head.
00:44:54.000He's black, he's Arabic, he's a closeted homo, but yet he's also American and conservative and right wing.
00:45:00.000I'm sure in his mind it's just like, I don't even know, I can't imagine what it's like inside of there.
00:45:07.000But anyway, that's, I don't know how we got there, kind of tangential, but he was talking smack about me the other day in the live chat.
00:45:14.000My boy Millennial Matt set him straight, but every time I watch him, I have to just, I just have to be like, What must it be like in there?
00:45:22.000What must it be like to be like this literal bio trash, literal biological waste?
00:45:30.000You know, you look at the physiognomy of this individual and you just got to wonder why is God cruel?
00:46:42.000I guess you have to give these people a little bit of credit in terms of these are people that, like the Alis of the world, have ruthlessly fought for relevance and ruthlessly fought for.
00:46:57.000And I don't know, I guess there's something to be said for that, even if you don't agree with the motives, even if you don't agree with the morality of it or anything like that.
00:47:06.000And not like ruthlessness is immoral, but in the sense that ruthlessness for the sake of personal gain, I guess there's something to be said about the tenacity, the opportunism, the creativity, the vision, really, that they've been able to create something out of nothing.
00:47:20.000So, you know, like Cernovich, I like the guy.
00:49:32.000That's why everybody loves the election because it's so easy to keep track of who's winning, who's losing, who is being productive and who is not.
00:49:40.000And if they would say, like, if they would champion, if they could make it into a slogan or a banner or a mission statement, a mission statement would go a long way.
00:49:49.000So people could say, They are meaning white identity discussion into the conversation, then they're doing a fantastic job.
00:49:57.000It's just about making those objectives clearly identifiable.
00:51:38.000You know, we can challenge him and not like not to revere him as like he's the idol, but I always resent when young guys who don't have a lot of clout and are just getting into it think, I'm going to take on the big guy.
00:51:49.000It's different when you're taking it on people who are dumb and who don't deserve their money, like Ben Shapiro.
00:51:55.000But Spencer, I have enough respect for what he's doing to like because if I had to debate him, I would have to like legitimately argue the core tenets of his position.
00:52:07.000And in the off chance that, and I don't know if it is an off chance, but on the off chance that I turned out to be right.
00:52:14.000It's just not a good thing to challenge people who have more clout like that.
00:52:18.000I didn't intend for that to come off as smug or like, I'm smart.
00:52:22.000I didn't intend for it to come off that way, but I would definitely argue with some.
00:52:26.000As long as people use their real name and they have significant clout, like their opinion matters, I would debate them.
00:52:33.000If it's like 1488 Nazi LARPer with 60 followers and they have Odin as their profile picture, their AVI, like, sorry, not worth my time.
00:52:44.000But if it's someone who's using their real name, Who were probably on the same level.
00:52:49.000Maybe it's a little bit of a ladder for them to debate me.
00:52:51.000By all means, you know, I'd have them on.
00:52:54.000But I really like to debate the alt light.
00:52:55.000I really like to debate the alt light because, number one, you get their audience.
00:52:59.000Debating the alt right, it's kind of like a circle jerk.
00:53:01.000Everybody just kind of has, everybody's set in their ways, everybody's made up their minds, and it does no good to divide the movement.
00:53:09.000I mean, maybe, I think a discussion is different than a debate.
00:53:13.000I would have these people on for a discussion because maybe that's more constructive, but a debate gets a little contentious, and some people don't take it as.
00:53:21.000Congenially, as the actual fighters do.
00:53:24.000Like when me and Will Chamberlain were talking before the debate started, it wasn't like, it wasn't nuts.
00:53:30.000It was like, hey man, like this has been fun hyping this debate.
00:53:35.000Like people on his side hated me, and people on my side hated him.
00:53:41.000And while I certainly am not wild about like his tone and his whole deal, you have a person on the show, and to a certain extent, it's like we are both, you know, in this.
00:53:51.000So there's kind of a mutual respect there.
00:53:56.000While the opponents might be respectful, and that's not always the case, the people get all riled up, and it breeds a lot of bad blood that is not necessarily a good thing.
00:54:56.000The style of it was too abrasive for me.
00:55:00.000I'm not an anti intellectual, and not to say that they are, not to say that they're not smart, but it's an acquired taste on Daily Stormer that they're using all these expletives and slurs so liberally.
00:55:13.000And obviously, that content is a certain kind of content.
00:55:16.000It's part of the appeal, the shock value that it's supposed to be funny, it's a dark humor.
00:55:21.000I get all that, and there's an audience for that.
00:55:29.000In a society to have an extreme thing, but I think if you're trying to get your message across, you should come across as a gentleman.
00:55:35.000The people that we idolize, like Mosley and others, did not start up publications that were crass and vulgar and outrageous and shock value.
00:57:22.000There are very few people, very few women who are truly into it that I truly respect their opinion.
00:57:29.000Like Ann Coulter is one of these people, Phyllis Schlafly was one of these people.
00:57:35.000Aside from that, women belong in the home.
00:57:37.000I've been pretty unequivocal about that.
00:57:39.000Politics, you know, they should be traditional, generally speaking, but it's sort of like on an axis here where the farther you go into politics, the more you get away from femininity and the female mystique, which is important.
00:57:51.000And our last question of the night before we go to Overdrive is from Saxon Runes.
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