America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - Richard Spencer's Disaster in Florida | America First Ep. 35

00:00:04.000 Good evening, everybody.

00:00:05.000 You are watching America First.

00:00:06.000 My name is Nicholas J. Fuentes, and we have a great show for you tonight.

00:00:10.000 Obviously, lots of things to talk about, lots of happenings.

00:00:14.000 A major happening in particular today was just being covered by my buddy James Alsop on the live stream preceding this.

00:00:22.000 We had some exclusive interviews with Enoch Spencer and Eli Mosley, obviously.

00:00:29.000 And I think that's the big story.

00:00:31.000 If we can jump right into that, we got a lot of things to talk about.

00:00:35.000 In the culture, some not so big stories, some pretty regular things, but obviously the big story from today is the Gainesville Richard Spencer speech, which was this afternoon.

00:00:46.000 And so we had exclusive interviews on that earlier today with James.

00:00:50.000 We saw some high numbers, some high viewership, some big super chats.

00:00:54.000 So thank you to you guys for that.

00:00:58.000 And I don't know, I'm a little bit on the fence with this event.

00:01:05.000 My initial thoughts are this number one, I don't want to go and rain on anybody's.

00:01:08.000 Parade or anything.

00:01:10.000 Obviously, they just pulled off this big event, which took a lot of organization, a lot of planning, and a lot of courage to an extent.

00:01:19.000 As much as I may criticize some of the activism that goes on, I've never been quiet about the fact that it takes enormous courage for these guys to go out and do what they do, whether it's Spencer who goes out and speaks, whether it's Eli Mosley and Enoch for speaking, organizing the event, the people that showed up to hear it, and they faced all kinds of threats from being doxxed, from having their identities revealed.

00:01:43.000 Getting hit in the face, all kinds of other things.

00:01:45.000 So, you know, first and foremost, before we talk about the good things, the bad things, before we jump into critic mode, before we jump into evaluative mode, I want to say, as somebody who does political stuff myself, that we give our hat off to them for their activism because it takes balls to do activism.

00:02:05.000 It takes serious balls for them to go into a hostile city, a hostile crowd, a hostile university where they don't know if they're going to be protected.

00:02:14.000 They don't know if they're going to. 0.91

00:02:16.000 You know, they don't know what they're coming up against.

00:02:18.000 To an extent, they understood the threat from Antifa, but obviously they didn't count on all those protesters infiltrating the actual event.

00:02:25.000 And so you got to give them a hand.

00:02:27.000 You got to give them a pat on the back for what they're doing.

00:02:33.000 I really do commend them for that.

00:02:35.000 I mean, that's what we're talking about every day on this show going out and doing it, going out and being the change that you want to see in the world.

00:02:42.000 I know that's cliche.

00:02:43.000 I know that's kind of normy, basic talking point.

00:02:46.000 It's true.

00:02:47.000 So before we jump into any criticism, any kind of evaluation of it, we want to be clear that we respect the sacrifices they're making in terms of monetary sacrifice, in terms of sacrifice to their reputation.

00:03:00.000 Obviously, the risk that they're taking that they go down there.

00:03:03.000 We want to say we're happy that everybody got in and got out in one piece and they're healthy and they're okay.

00:03:09.000 Because obviously, that can't always be said with some of these events.

00:03:12.000 They tend to sometimes spiral out of control.

00:03:15.000 It's a little bit unpredictable because we've seen that the government.

00:03:19.000 And many college campuses are not keen to protect our people.

00:03:22.000 They're not very keen to protect our rights and our persons.

00:03:26.000 So I'm just glad everybody got in and got out.

00:03:29.000 Now that we have that out of the way, now that we have the requisite, the necessary preface, which I think is necessary and which I think is fair, we look at what happened in Gainesville.

00:03:41.000 And here's, again, here's my only position on what happens with Spencer, what happens with NPI, what happens with them.

00:03:51.000 I don't think they're bad guys.

00:03:52.000 I don't disagree with them on most things.

00:03:54.000 I think they're actually very good.

00:03:55.000 I think a lot of the work that they do is good.

00:03:58.000 My qualm is this.

00:04:00.000 It's not necessarily that Charlottesville 1, 2, and 3 are bad.

00:04:04.000 It's not that Gainesville and Auburn are bad.

00:04:07.000 It's just that I don't think you can properly evaluate one way or the other when you don't have a long term or a short term objective, when you don't have a clearly identified long and short term objective.

00:04:20.000 Because how can you evaluate if something was good for your movement or bad for your movement?

00:04:25.000 How can you evaluate if something was a success or a failure?

00:04:29.000 If you have no benchmark to measure it up against, if you have no objective that you have to measure it up against, in the sense that you can go out and you can do activism and maybe it's good, maybe it's bad.

00:04:40.000 Certainly it's arguable if these things are a net positive or a net negative.

00:04:45.000 I don't think until we have 10 or 15 years, I don't think we will have truly the scale.

00:04:51.000 I don't think we'll have the totality of context and vision to see if these things are truly good or bad.

00:04:57.000 But in the absence of a short or a long term goal, it's just very difficult to say in the present day.

00:05:04.000 If these things are constructive, do you follow?

00:05:08.000 I think that's a fair criticism.

00:05:09.000 I'm not saying that they're doing bad work.

00:05:11.000 I'm not saying that they're not good or they're racist or anything approaching that.

00:05:15.000 But I am saying that I think it is a little bit wasteful when they go to the trouble that they do and they do these massive things.

00:05:24.000 They do, because obviously this was a big event in terms of the organization, the coordination with police, with the campus.

00:05:31.000 They paid $10,000 for the facility, the campus paid $500,000 for security.

00:05:37.000 They had all kinds of media coverage from around the world and nationwide, which is a big deal.

00:05:43.000 But I think that it's a little bit silly to go to all this trouble to do and work so hard and sacrifice so much when you don't have a clearly identified objective that this can contribute to.

00:05:55.000 Because it would be one thing if, like Mosley and Spencer and Enoch were saying, our objective is X, Y, and Z. When we go and do this rally, it will shift the Overton window to the right in this way.

00:06:08.000 And then we will expand our organization and we'll start running candidates.

00:06:11.000 And then when we run candidates, we can start a spoiler party.

00:06:14.000 And then maybe that it would be one thing if there was some long term objective, if there was some concept of how we get from point A to point B.

00:06:23.000 But in the absence of that, in the absence of this long term, in the absence of a goal, a clearly identifiable objective that people can say, did this contribute to that or did it not?

00:06:35.000 Did we move in the right direction or did we move two steps back?

00:06:39.000 It's difficult to gauge.

00:06:40.000 Now, that said, I think there are a lot of positives from Gainesville.

00:06:44.000 I think some of the optics were good in the sense that this was a victory for free speech.

00:06:49.000 I think Spencer and Identity Europa have done a good job of co opting the free speech movement, which is a powerful movement.

00:06:58.000 You think in terms of your rhetorical capital, and free speech is a golden ticket for any movement, right?

00:07:04.000 Because free speech is something anybody can get behind.

00:07:07.000 Free speech is quintessentially American, it's quintessentially Western.

00:07:12.000 European liberal.

00:07:13.000 So, to co opt the free speech idea, to co opt the free speech cause, is a big one just on the intrinsic fact that free speech is something that appeals to everybody.

00:07:23.000 You go to the supermarket, you go to the mall, you go to any political rally, and people will say they support free speech.

00:07:31.000 Probably nine out of ten people will say they support free speech.

00:07:35.000 And in addition to that, you see all the infrastructure, all the capital, both rhetorical, political, fiscal, etc., to boost the free speech message.

00:07:44.000 And so to co opt that is to take advantage of all the groundwork that's already been set forth.

00:07:49.000 So, in that sense, I think a lot of what they're doing is very good.

00:07:52.000 I think it's very strategic and smart that they've co opted the free speech movement, and the alt light can no longer say that they own that.

00:08:00.000 Cernovich, PJW, Alex Jones, even to an extent, have to say, we're against hate speech, or we're for free speech, but we hate these guys.

00:08:10.000 It's sort of this tepid, half hearted endorsement.

00:08:13.000 They've lost the energy, they've lost the initiative on that issue.

00:08:16.000 That's good.

00:08:17.000 Number two, it's another demonstration of the insanity of the left, the insanity of the globalists.

00:08:24.000 And the bankruptcy of the right wing in this country. 0.97

00:08:27.000 That when you have this massive protest and you bring out all these motley, disgusting animals that show up to protest these events, these like gender queer, you know, they have like the piercings and the weird hair and they're racially confused and mixed and sexually confused and mixed. 0.99

00:08:45.000 And you have all the soy boys and all these butch lesbians and some of the more violent people. 1.00

00:08:53.000 We know who that tends to be. 1.00

00:08:54.000 It's always good optics, I think, when you have this disgusting leftist. 0.98

00:08:58.000 Unwashed mob rise up. 0.95

00:09:00.000 That's always a good thing when those people get on television because you'll have your blue dog Democrats, your conservative traditionalist Democrats in Wisconsin or Michigan or Pennsylvania, who maybe they support a social safety net, but they see that the progressives, the globalists, are driving their party to the left to this insane clown world place.

00:09:22.000 And when you get those people on television, I think that does help drive people maybe not so much towards Richard Spencer, but away from the left.

00:09:29.000 And so that's a good thing.

00:09:30.000 So I think those are the two good things about this event.

00:09:35.000 I think those are two positives.

00:09:37.000 The third is obviously coverage.

00:09:39.000 The third is that you get the name out there, you get the ideas out there for people that watch this speech who have never heard of Spencer before, who have never heard of the alt right before, who have never heard these arguments before.

00:09:51.000 It's a good thing that you get exposure.

00:09:53.000 And that's sort of a given.

00:09:54.000 That goes with the territory when you get these big events, when you get the media coverage.

00:09:58.000 And Spencer knows how to do that.

00:10:00.000 That's not something to be understated or underestimated.

00:10:04.000 People say that Spencer is in it for Spencer.

00:10:07.000 I don't know if that's true or not.

00:10:08.000 I can't look into the man's heart or his mind.

00:10:11.000 But regardless of that fact, that he's able to draw a crowd and get media, I mean, that is so useful in a political movement.

00:10:19.000 So, not to be understated.

00:10:21.000 These are the pros.

00:10:23.000 And I'm trying to feed it as tactfully as possible, as gently as possible, because a lot of people get pissed off when I criticize the real life activism.

00:10:34.000 And I'm not going to pull any punches, but.

00:10:36.000 I want people to understand where I'm at.

00:10:39.000 I am not just some critic.

00:10:41.000 I'm not just some guy ranting and raving at people that are doing things because I respect that people are doing things and I respect the sacrifices that come with that and the organization, et cetera.

00:10:51.000 So I want to lay that out before we jump into the criticism because people think I'm all hate, I'm all a culture of critique, but that's not the case.

00:11:00.000 Here's what I think can be done better.

00:11:02.000 Here is what I think leaves something to be desired.

00:11:06.000 I watched the coverage of this event, and number one, there is no Aside from Ruptly, I think, which had a pretty good stream, there was really not a solid taping of this event.

00:11:18.000 There was not a solid high quality video audio presentation of this.

00:11:24.000 That's a huge, that is a huge flaw right from the start.

00:11:28.000 I mean, you go to the trouble to put this thing together, you risk life and limb to get there, you get all the media, and nobody has like a professional camera, professional audio, like there wasn't planning for that.

00:11:39.000 Maybe there was.

00:11:39.000 Maybe it fell through.

00:11:41.000 I haven't looked into the details.

00:11:42.000 I know Mosley posted something about how the periscope went out on his phone.

00:11:48.000 If you're going to go to the trouble, if you're going to spend $10,000, you're going to make an investment like that to get your message out, that's what it's about, to get coverage for your message.

00:11:57.000 You should be sure that your message is being captured in a way that people can watch comfortably, in a way that people will want to watch, where it's not like this back of the room, poor audio, kind of covered by the media.

00:12:12.000 So that's a takeaway that is pretty practical, logistical, that I think needs to be addressed with some of these events.

00:12:19.000 And you can't blame them.

00:12:21.000 I don't know what kind of fiscal situation they're in.

00:12:23.000 I'm not sure what the permit situation was with that, if that was possible.

00:12:27.000 But from the outside looking in, it just looks a little bit wasteful that they didn't perfect before they got in there the audio and the video recording.

00:12:36.000 You know, could you imagine if you went and you gave a big political speech and nobody recorded it?

00:12:40.000 It would have been great.

00:12:40.000 You know, it would have been nice that you got coverage, but it would have been really nice if people saw it in a clean, well edited, high quality package.

00:12:48.000 So that's number one.

00:12:50.000 And that's kind of just for starters.

00:12:51.000 But then, number two, the whole optics of the event was very poor in terms of it's Spencer just on a stage.

00:13:00.000 It's just Spencer on an unadorned stage, and he's just walking around with this microphone.

00:13:06.000 And during the QA, you have Enoch and Mosley kind of like in the background, just kind of standing there with their hands in their pockets.

00:13:12.000 Again, this is not like a substantive thing, it sounds nitpicky, but these things are so important.

00:13:18.000 When you look at the conservative movements, when you look at Ted Cruz, when you look at Cabot Phillips and who's the nitwit from Turning Point? 0.59

00:13:26.000 Charlie Kirk. 0.62

00:13:27.000 These are the things that they learn.

00:13:29.000 These are the things that they spend thousands and thousands, millions of dollars in some cases at their training facilities to teach people about how to control these optics, how to control and make it look professional, how to make it look nice.

00:13:41.000 These things are very important.

00:13:42.000 People spend a lot of money on this stuff.

00:13:44.000 And I see this event.

00:13:45.000 Number one, it's not recorded properly.

00:13:47.000 Number two, there's not a podium, which is important.

00:13:51.000 These two guys are just kind of off to the side on the stage, don't really know what to do with themselves.

00:13:55.000 They look.

00:13:56.000 They look a little bit confused.

00:13:57.000 They look a little bit disoriented.

00:13:59.000 That's not because they're confused people, but just I don't think they plan for the logistics of the situation.

00:14:06.000 And that, it's not like the worst thing in the world, but when we're up against the things we're up against, when we already have the entire media against us, the whole conservative, liberal, globalist establishment against us, have to be doing everything in our power to make sure that everything that is in our control is 100% airtight, looks good, looks clean, comes across and looks nice to the human eye.

00:14:31.000 And these things are easy and simple to fix.

00:14:33.000 So the recording of it, the setting, there should have been a stage, or not a stage rather, but a podium.

00:14:39.000 There should have been maybe better lighting.

00:14:40.000 Maybe there should have been a place, a table with a tablecloth, some chairs for Enoch and Mosley to sit when they weren't speaking.

00:14:48.000 These are little things, but important things.

00:14:50.000 And if they're little things, they're easy to fix.

00:14:53.000 That's optics.

00:14:54.000 You didn't get a lot of people to show up either.

00:14:56.000 And this is a criticism which I kind of understand why there were not so many people.

00:15:01.000 Because number one, there's the threat of doxing, of course.

00:15:05.000 And then number two, there was a very strict, stringent vetting procedure for people to get tickets to come into the event.

00:15:12.000 Again, that's also understandable because of the threat of obviously violence or something like that.

00:15:18.000 But if that's the case, then there should have been a smaller venue.

00:15:20.000 There should have been a smaller stage, smaller building size.

00:15:25.000 These are things that, again, are being taught in Alexandria and Arlington, Virginia at the Leadership Institute at Young Americans for Liberty, Turning Point USA.

00:15:34.000 How do you set up an event?

00:15:35.000 One of the first rules is you should book a space that is about the third of the size of the expected audience.

00:15:43.000 Because, and think of it, this is pretty simple.

00:15:46.000 Does it look better to have a venue which is standing room only?

00:15:49.000 And maybe it's small, but it looks like it's filled, it's packed.

00:15:53.000 People can't get in because it's just stuffed with people.

00:15:55.000 There are people standing up because they want to hear the speech and it's tight and everything.

00:15:59.000 Or do you want to see an event where there's 20 people in the front row that are all obviously associated with the people that organized it?

00:16:07.000 Again, these are helpful criticisms that go a long way, and these are things that you'll hear on the news.

00:16:13.000 So this is nothing like novel.

00:16:15.000 This is not like strategy, this is not tactics.

00:16:18.000 These are just simple logistical things that go a long way.

00:16:22.000 And I understand it's a movement that's in its infancy to an extent, organizationally, in terms of its infrastructure, in terms of training its members.

00:16:30.000 But these are the things that should be airtight going forward.

00:16:34.000 Beyond that, the overall tone of the message, I think, needs to be tweaked.

00:16:39.000 And in addition, I guess the rhetorical optics, which I'll explain that later.

00:16:44.000 But I mean, from the tone angle, you hear Richard Spencer and.

00:16:49.000 I like Richard Spencer, like as a person.

00:16:51.000 I met him in person.

00:16:53.000 He seems like a nice guy.

00:16:54.000 He's a smart guy.

00:16:55.000 He has a sense of humor that I find funny.

00:16:58.000 I really do.

00:16:59.000 Kind of this edgy and almost like smug.

00:17:01.000 I'm kind of a smug person in real life, so it's funny to me when I see Spencer.

00:17:06.000 But when you're making a mass political movement, the objective of politics for anybody, whether you're a pariah or you're not, is to appear humble, is to appear likable, to appear like you care, you're empathetic to the common people, and even the people that disagree with you.

00:17:21.000 I think it goes a long way.

00:17:23.000 To be a little bit graceful in that sense.

00:17:25.000 So, Spencer, he's coming up against these massive protests. 1.00

00:17:28.000 They're yelling over him and everything, and he's calling them like grunting morons. 0.99

00:17:34.000 And that would be my first instinct, too. 0.99

00:17:36.000 I would think that's funny.

00:17:38.000 But when I hear his message, which is important, which needs to be heard, and he, I think, to an extent, taints it with this bitter, kind of defensive, resentful tone, it kind of poisons the vessel a bit.

00:17:52.000 And I think that's a fair criticism. 0.77

00:17:54.000 People like boomers, people like Gen Xers, They are still relevant.

00:18:00.000 They are still a voting block. 0.98

00:18:01.000 They have money.

00:18:02.000 I mean, these are people that can contribute to the movement, and they just don't, it just doesn't gel with even like a regular, even a young person who's a conservative, the impolite kind of resentful thing.

00:18:14.000 There's a way to make fun of people. 0.98

00:18:16.000 There's a way to be funny and witty and say they're disgusting without being like a jerk about it. 0.99

00:18:22.000 You know what I mean? 0.98

00:18:23.000 And not like I have sympathy for the protesters, but just in terms of making this speech have mass appeal, there's a way to make fun of people.

00:18:31.000 You know, there's a way to.

00:18:32.000 Riley observed that these people haven't bathed in a while.

00:18:35.000 There's a way to observe that these people are not winners.

00:18:37.000 You could say maybe they're not sending their best.

00:18:40.000 That would be like an endearing, um, and an allusion to Donald Trump, people that, um, a guy that people can get behind, a guy that is endearing. 0.99

00:18:48.000 But to call them like morons, I think it just sends the wrong message. 0.85

00:18:51.000 And then on the rhetorical side of things, the, um, the message I think needs to be totally re altered and shaped into Americana. 0.98

00:19:02.000 I get, I get the idea of identitarianism.

00:19:05.000 I get the idea of race being important and obviously white heritage and all of this. 0.52

00:19:11.000 But again, I think you would have a much greater appeal.

00:19:14.000 The optics would have been much better.

00:19:16.000 Think of this for a moment.

00:19:17.000 If you think I'm about to go full patriotard, if you think I'm about to go full entryist, just entertain this thought in your head.

00:19:24.000 Imagine the current setup Richard Spencer on a stage.

00:19:28.000 He's in a very European suit, well fitted.

00:19:30.000 It's a nice suit.

00:19:31.000 He looks good in it and a European haircut. 1.00

00:19:33.000 And he's yelling at these protesters, telling them they're morons. 1.00

00:19:36.000 Telling them, stop watching football, listen to Wagner. 1.00

00:19:40.000 And think of that in your mind.

00:19:41.000 And think of how your family would react to that.

00:19:43.000 Think of your parents, your brothers, your sisters, nephews, cousins, friends, et cetera.

00:19:48.000 Now think of Spencer in a Navy suit, red tie, and he's got a traditional haircut, and there's a star spangled banner everywhere.

00:19:59.000 American flags behind him.

00:20:01.000 He's got an American flag lapel pin.

00:20:03.000 He looks American.

00:20:04.000 He talks about Americana.

00:20:05.000 Instead of talking about Wagner, he talks about, I don't know, Gershwin.

00:20:09.000 He talks about Walden.

00:20:11.000 He talks about Emerson.

00:20:12.000 He talks about Moby Dick.

00:20:13.000 He talks about American things, the founding fathers. 0.98

00:20:16.000 And now imagine all those protesters yelling and screaming, Black Lives Matter, you're a white supremacist. 0.61

00:20:22.000 What is the more useful optics? 0.94

00:20:23.000 What is the better optics?

00:20:25.000 What appeals more to people?

00:20:27.000 What drives people to our movement?

00:20:29.000 Because I, again, this is a theory, and I submit this humbly as somebody who's new to the movement, as a young guy who hasn't organized activism. 0.98

00:20:38.000 But I have this idea that if people see, instead of some like European guy yelling at people, talking about Wagner and Black Lives Matter are yelling him, that looks like a shit show. 0.77

00:20:48.000 But if they're yelling at, A cool, calm, collected American patriot with flags everywhere. 0.98

00:20:54.000 And he's saying, you know what? 0.79

00:20:56.000 White people should just be allowed to exist. 0.53

00:20:58.000 And talking about Americana, what's going to play better on Fox News? 0.85

00:21:01.000 What's going to play better on Breitbart?

00:21:03.000 That's not to say we want to be like Fox News, but we get coverage and it looks good.

00:21:07.000 And people like our movement and maybe they show up next time.

00:21:11.000 Instead of people in white t shirts and khakis trying to imitate like a European identitarian movement, which is European in character, what if they showed up in, I don't know, some kind of American outfit, just look like Regular, regular, hardworking people.

00:21:26.000 If you had like blue collar looking people there.

00:21:29.000 Just a suggestion.

00:21:30.000 Again, just my thoughts.

00:21:34.000 That's my overall criticism.

00:21:37.000 It's nothing of the substance.

00:21:39.000 There are a few things I disagree with Spencer on in terms of substance.

00:21:43.000 And I think they're doing a good job because they are pioneers, they are frontiersmen.

00:21:48.000 This has not been explored in America.

00:21:50.000 This is a new time in America, and they are trailblazers.

00:21:54.000 Anything that I criticize about them, I do only for constructive purposes.

00:21:59.000 So to help them, because they are trailblazers, and I think they do need a little bit of guidance here.

00:22:07.000 I'm not saying I know everything, but these things should be taken into consideration.

00:22:12.000 So all of these criticisms that I'm saying have nothing to do with their ideology, who they are, they're bad, nothing like that.

00:22:20.000 It's just, can they clean it up a little bit?

00:22:22.000 Absolutely, and that would go a long way.

00:22:24.000 And I think if they rethought the optics of it in terms of the substantive optics, which is the flags, the Americana as opposed to the Europa, I think that is something worth considering.

00:22:34.000 But that's my take.

00:22:35.000 That's my hot take on that.

00:22:37.000 I told you, 250 IQ requirement to watch this.

00:22:41.000 We are enforcing that because low IQ people like Reinhard Wolf, they can't watch it because they'll get all offended like their milk has been spilled over and they'll cry and they'll send me emails.

00:22:51.000 And we can't have that, okay?

00:22:53.000 I'm submitting these criticisms to smart people.

00:22:55.000 Who knows what to do with them.

00:22:57.000 And I submit them humbly and respectfully as somebody who knows these people, who has these people on my Rolodex.

00:23:04.000 And hopefully that was tactful enough.

00:23:06.000 I hope that was tactful enough.

00:23:07.000 I try, I'm not trying to upset the apple cart.

00:23:10.000 I'm not trying to pee in anybody's Cheerios here, but I am just trying to say that for the amount of time that goes into these things, and again, I want to stress, Eli Mosley is a workhorse.

00:23:24.000 I mean, this guy has completely overhauled his organization.

00:23:27.000 He's a smart guy.

00:23:28.000 I really.

00:23:29.000 I talked to him on the phone the other week.

00:23:31.000 Smart guy works his butt off.

00:23:34.000 And I think he has a vision for where he wants this movement to go.

00:23:36.000 He's talking to me about strategy.

00:23:38.000 And I think he's got a good strategy for the short term.

00:23:42.000 And I wish him all the best.

00:23:43.000 I think he's doing God's work out there.

00:23:45.000 And obviously, the money and time and thought that went into this is commendable.

00:23:51.000 And all I'm saying, sitting here again as somebody who's not involved in that activism, who wasn't out there on the streets, is to say that these little tweaks can be made and all that work goes so much farther if you make these little tweaks.

00:24:05.000 I think that's fair.

00:24:06.000 I think that's fair.

00:24:08.000 So I hope nobody takes that personally.

00:24:10.000 Everybody, you know, Eli mostly, he texts me.

00:24:12.000 Or he DMs me, he's like, people are up in my direct messages saying, has Nick jumped a ship?

00:24:18.000 Has Nick cucked?

00:24:19.000 I'm not countersigning.

00:24:20.000 I'm not trying to step on anybody's toes.

00:24:23.000 I'm just saying those little things, they go a long way.

00:24:25.000 You know, people who watch my show, they tell me about my microphone.

00:24:29.000 They tell me about, because I used to have my microphone turned like this and around because I thought that's how it was supposed to work.

00:24:37.000 Apparently, that's not how it works.

00:24:39.000 And I had the gain all the way up, so it sounded terrible.

00:24:41.000 Is the gain still up, or did I?

00:24:43.000 Okay, I turned it down.

00:24:44.000 They told me to turn it from whatever it is.

00:24:47.000 It looks like a Venn diagram to cardioid.

00:24:49.000 They told me how to fix some of these settings.

00:24:51.000 They told me to put a pumpkin over here instead of over here.

00:24:54.000 And I hear these logistical criticisms, and I don't say, that's counter signaling.

00:24:59.000 You're cucking. 0.53

00:25:00.000 You hate the movement. 0.99

00:25:00.000 You hate, you know. 0.99

00:25:02.000 I said, okay, we can fix this, and it looks better.

00:25:02.000 I didn't say any of that.

00:25:05.000 And as a result, the content is better.

00:25:07.000 The work that's put into it goes a little bit farther.

00:25:09.000 So I hope people take it that way.

00:25:12.000 Because, you know, and the good thing about this is people are.

00:25:16.000 People can disagree with me.

00:25:17.000 James Alsop said it was a flawless victory.

00:25:20.000 I respect James Alsop's opinion by all means, you know?

00:25:20.000 And you know what?

00:25:23.000 So hopefully that went over well.

00:25:26.000 I hope I don't go off the air tonight and get like smashed over that.

00:25:30.000 You're out of the movement.

00:25:31.000 You're blacklisted for saying like there should have been a podium, right?

00:25:34.000 But anyway, that is the Spencer event.

00:25:37.000 Other things we got to talk about, just some other smaller things.

00:25:42.000 Speaking of optics, again, here's another, you know, if we've, people are going to get mad.

00:25:47.000 He's criticizing Spencer.

00:25:49.000 If we can be fair, Here is another thing I saw today on Twitter, which was hilarious, okay?

00:25:54.000 This was at Kent State University in Ohio.

00:25:58.000 Turning Point USA.

00:25:59.000 A lot of real winners in Turning Point.

00:26:02.000 They showed up and they did their own protest.

00:26:04.000 They did their own demonstration to protest safe spaces.

00:26:08.000 Now, any normal person, number one, any normal person wouldn't be talking about safe spaces all this time later.

00:26:14.000 It's a stale meme.

00:26:16.000 It's over.

00:26:16.000 The left uses it, the right uses it.

00:26:18.000 It's totally ineffective.

00:26:19.000 So, number one, normal people do not.

00:26:21.000 Use the safe space meme.

00:26:23.000 But number two, if you're going to protest it, you would do it like Spencer is doing.

00:26:26.000 You would do it like you would say controversial things.

00:26:29.000 You would say the N word.

00:26:31.000 You would say crazy things to say, you know what?

00:26:34.000 No safe is space.

00:26:35.000 No space is safe.

00:26:37.000 Free speech is everywhere.

00:26:39.000 That would be the smart way to protest it.

00:26:41.000 Turning Point USA, do you want to know how they protest the safe space?

00:26:45.000 They set up a playpen for children and they put on diapers.

00:26:50.000 There's this one guy, he's walking around in a diaper.

00:26:54.000 Without pants or shoes or socks, with his shirt tucked in with a binky in his mouth.

00:27:00.000 And he's laying around on the concrete. 0.54

00:27:02.000 He's laying around on the disgusting ground in a diaper, naked from the diaper down, sucking on a pacifier, and they're protesting safe spaces.

00:27:12.000 And I think, like, is this all just an elaborate joke? 0.72

00:27:15.000 Is the alt-right?

00:27:17.000 Is the new right?

00:27:18.000 Is Charlie Kirk?

00:27:19.000 Are these guys just like pranksters?

00:27:22.000 How can anybody take this movement seriously?

00:27:25.000 They got a guy crawling around on the ground in a diaper. 0.97

00:27:27.000 This looks like a weird, pervert fetish demonstration. 0.76

00:27:34.000 They're crawling around in a diaper. 0.95

00:27:35.000 I'll pull up a picture here.

00:27:38.000 Another high tech boomer tech brought to you by Boomer Tech.

00:27:42.000 We have a visual display here.

00:27:46.000 Let me pull up the image using Bill Mitchell Industry Boomer Technology here.

00:27:52.000 Got to go into my downloads.

00:27:55.000 Hey, look, if you're tired of me sifting through my whatever, you got to go to the super chat and donate so I could hire a production assistant.

00:28:03.000 This is their guy, okay?

00:28:04.000 This is their.

00:28:07.000 What?

00:28:08.000 Come on!

00:28:09.000 What are you doing?

00:28:10.000 Look at this guy!

00:28:13.000 How can anybody take this movement seriously?

00:28:16.000 This is their protest.

00:28:18.000 How do you say, how do you look at what the left is doing where they're playing with Play Doh and they're coloring with crayons to escape Donald Trump and you say, you know how I'm going to make fun of that?

00:28:28.000 I'm going to do this.

00:28:29.000 I'm going to put on a diaper and crawl around on the sidewalk.

00:28:39.000 It's little things, guys.

00:28:41.000 It's little things.

00:28:42.000 Little things like half a podium, don't crawl around on the ground in a diaper.

00:28:46.000 Like, Am I the only one who is thinking about these things?

00:28:51.000 How come nobody in Charlie Kirk's organization said no to this?

00:28:56.000 What a mess!

00:28:57.000 And they think the best part is people are posting this picture like this was a big win. 0.99

00:29:01.000 They're like Turning Point USA showing that safe spaces are silly.

00:29:06.000 Oh, yeah, Epic, you know, you really owned those guys, you really pwned them. 0.97

00:29:10.000 Epic fail, liberals.

00:29:13.000 LOL, we're crawling around in diapers on the sidewalk.

00:29:16.000 Shows the left.

00:29:18.000 What are you thinking?

00:29:20.000 And here's even better.

00:29:22.000 You think that's something.

00:29:25.000 This was at, like I said, this was at Kent State University in Ohio.

00:29:29.000 Does anybody remember something else that happened in Kent State in 1970?

00:29:34.000 So, the same school where you had people getting shot because they were protesting the Vietnam War.

00:29:40.000 They were protesting, here, let me drop this down Boomer Tech.

00:29:45.000 They're getting shot and killed because they're protesting something serious.

00:29:49.000 And they're protesting it in a serious way.

00:29:52.000 They got shot and killed for this.

00:29:55.000 This was when we had a serious country.

00:29:58.000 This is when we had serious people in a serious country.

00:30:01.000 These people were protesting in a legal war in Cambodia that was launched without congressional approval, without congressional oversight, contrary to the international laws of war, unilaterally by the White House, specifically by Richard Nixon and his inner circle, protesting the.

00:30:20.000 Incursion into Cambodia.

00:30:21.000 And these people are out there protesting with their picket signs, a real demonstration, and they get shot and killed for it.

00:30:28.000 That, my friends, that is a serious country.

00:30:32.000 That is a serious country where maybe it doesn't all fit together.

00:30:36.000 There's division, there's divisiveness, there's polarization, all the things we talk about today.

00:30:41.000 But it was serious, you know, it was serious about serious issues.

00:30:46.000 And today, today we have Diaper Boy protesting safe spaces. 1.00

00:30:53.000 How cucked, how stupid of a country, how clownish of a country, a world can we live in? 1.00

00:30:59.000 And Charlie Kirk, I'm sure, likes this stuff. 1.00

00:31:03.000 And I don't mean that in a weird, perverted way.

00:31:05.000 I don't know, maybe he does.

00:31:06.000 But I mean, I'm sure he thinks this is a big win because it got media attention.

00:31:10.000 It got big media coverage.

00:31:11.000 Whoa!

00:31:12.000 So people heard about Turning Point and Safe Spaces.

00:31:14.000 No, they saw a guy in a diaper. 1.00

00:31:16.000 They saw a retarded, ridiculous idiot in a diaper. 1.00

00:31:21.000 Conservative. 1.00

00:31:23.000 Hi, I'm supposed to be a serious conservative thinker.

00:31:26.000 I want you to think seriously about my ideas.

00:31:28.000 Then I go on Saturdays, then this wily conservative thinker goes on Saturday, or what's today?

00:31:35.000 Thursday puts on a diaper and crawls around on the ground saying goo goo gaga with the pacifier in his mouth.

00:31:41.000 What's going on, man?

00:31:43.000 So I like this, though.

00:31:45.000 I like this because it just goes to show that these people are going nowhere fast.

00:31:50.000 Everybody's, well, some people are a little bit intimidated by the alt light.

00:31:54.000 None of the leadership is, by the way, like Spencer.

00:31:57.000 None of these guys take the alt light seriously.

00:31:59.000 I don't take the alt light seriously.

00:32:00.000 But I hear some people saying, you know, the alt light, you have to make connections, you have to be wary of them.

00:32:06.000 These guys are going nowhere fast.

00:32:07.000 You know, just look at this picture. 0.69

00:32:09.000 Ben Shapiro's, the alt light crowd, the Ali Akbars of the world going nowhere fast, if this is what they have going on. 0.61

00:32:17.000 What we have in this market for politics and for political commentary is oversaturation. 0.90

00:32:24.000 And oversaturation breeds incompetence.

00:32:26.000 What you have is a lot of people who are not political, who have no background in politics, who have no background in philosophy, they have no philosophical foundation for their political views.

00:32:37.000 But because of the 2016 election, because of the ubiquity of press coverage and need for people to talk about these things and perspectives and long form pieces, all kinds of cosmopolitans with money and time rose up, opportunists with money and time rose up to take advantage of it, to jump in front of the spotlight as opportunists do when these events happen.

00:32:59.000 I'm talking about Milo Yiannopoulos, I'm talking about Mike Cernovich, I'm talking about Ali Akbar, I'm talking about Jack Posobiak, people who are like not.

00:33:08.000 They're not people in a sense.

00:33:10.000 They are not political people.

00:33:12.000 But because there was attention, because there was money rolling around, they said, Oh, I have an opinion.

00:33:17.000 I have something to say.

00:33:18.000 I have a website.

00:33:19.000 I have a book.

00:33:21.000 And in the wake of the 2016 election, as the press coverage has died down, as the political fever has died down, although certainly it has not died down as much as it has in past elections, usually it goes from election night to after election night in terms of how much people care about politics.

00:33:40.000 This election, it's the never ending election.

00:33:42.000 We keep hearing about it.

00:33:43.000 But still, you had a dramatic decrease in the amount of coverage, the amount of money that was coming around as a result of politics.

00:33:51.000 And now what you have is an oversaturation where there are more pundits, more websites, more books than the market can sustain that people are willing to look at, that people are willing to pay for. 0.97

00:34:01.000 And so as a result, you have a lot of incompetent people who don't know what they're talking about that need to be bred out, that need to be killed off, essentially. 0.95

00:34:09.000 And of course, we mean. 0.98

00:34:11.000 Financially, of course, we mean in a business sense.

00:34:14.000 We don't mean that you should kill journalists.

00:34:16.000 We do not want anybody to kill journalists.

00:34:20.000 Don't kill journalists.

00:34:21.000 But what I'm saying is, you have an oversaturation of the market where these people who don't know what they're talking about need to lose their subscribers.

00:34:30.000 People need to stop paying attention to them because they don't know what they're talking about.

00:34:34.000 Maybe they produced good content during the election because there was an appetite for lots of content during the election, lots of different kinds of content.

00:34:43.000 Funny content, serious content, analytical content, perspective content, black content, white content, gay content, straight, you know, all kinds of content. 0.97

00:34:51.000 But now that there's no market for it, now you just have a bunch of dummies who are talking out of their butts about things they know nothing about. 0.97

00:34:59.000 These are the people we're talking about. 0.97

00:35:00.000 Cassie Dillon, these are the people we're talking about.

00:35:03.000 These types who, you know, they have some Fox News talking point to regurgitate and they think that needs to be heard a thousand times through a megaphone.

00:35:13.000 I don't think so.

00:35:14.000 So time for the Charlie Kirks of the world, time for these people to go away.

00:35:17.000 We don't want your free market Mont Pelerin Society, American Enterprise Institute, reheated Friedrich Hayek talking points.

00:35:24.000 You can take those and you can put them somewhere, okay?

00:35:28.000 We don't need them.

00:35:29.000 We don't want them.

00:35:30.000 We don't care about those things.

00:35:31.000 Charlie Kirk will post all day long.

00:35:33.000 He'll dedicate all of his Zionist money, all of his Zionist supremacist money, to talking about why corporations should pay lower taxes, and he won't give a breath to the fact that white people will be a minority in 20 years, that Texas will be a blue state in 10 years.

00:35:51.000 So these people need to go away. 0.53

00:35:53.000 But that's our baby from Turning Point USA.

00:35:56.000 That is our face one, no, Turning Point diaper GF over here. 0.99

00:36:02.000 What a clown. 0.99

00:36:03.000 What a clown show. 0.98

00:36:04.000 Clownworld.jpg. 0.92

00:36:06.000 You have so many serious issues.

00:36:09.000 Like, this is what we get.

00:36:10.000 Come on. 0.99

00:36:13.000 Ridiculous. 0.98

00:36:13.000 So, that's our turning point, fellow. 0.98

00:36:16.000 The other thing, the problem is there's just not a lot of news going on today.

00:36:20.000 Let's get rid of it.

00:36:21.000 I'm tired of looking at that.

00:36:22.000 I'm tired of that being behind me.

00:36:23.000 Talk about bad optics.

00:36:24.000 I don't like being diaper guy over here.

00:36:27.000 But I will say, I was on a periscope last night with Lucian Wintrich.

00:36:33.000 Lucian does the Wintrich report on his periscope.

00:36:36.000 And I know, I know, all right.

00:36:37.000 Not everybody on this stream likes him.

00:36:39.000 James Alsop has gotten in a lot of fights with him.

00:36:42.000 I know alt right people aren't wild about his alternative lifestyle and his beliefs and his ancestry.

00:36:48.000 But I will say, I will say this.

00:36:50.000 I was on his Periscope last night.

00:36:52.000 I called in and I was watching it.

00:36:55.000 I will say what's different about Lucian from the others, and I think this is important.

00:36:59.000 What's different from Lucian and the others is you can tell that Lucian has at least thought about politics.

00:37:05.000 Unlike these other guys where they're just regurgitating platitudes and talking points, you can tell that Lucian, you know, maybe he's.

00:37:12.000 Maybe he hasn't read the same books that we have.

00:37:15.000 You can tell that he's given it some serious thought.

00:37:17.000 Like when I challenged him on my periscope about race realism and some of these obvious things about how Africa's a bad place for a reason and et cetera, et cetera, he had a response.

00:37:27.000 He had a coherent philosophy, which maybe it's wrong.

00:37:31.000 Maybe there are contradictions in it.

00:37:33.000 Politics tends to be contradictory, but he had a coherent worldview.

00:37:37.000 And moreover, he was willing to discuss it.

00:37:39.000 He was willing to have me on. 0.54

00:37:41.000 He was willing to have millennial Matt on, who is literally waving a Nazi flag.

00:37:45.000 That's not even like, Like, re white supremacist.

00:37:48.000 He had a Nazi flag on.

00:37:51.000 He was willing to engage and to talk about those things and to say, you know, was Hitler good or not? 0.87

00:37:57.000 Did Hitler do nothing wrong or not? 0.83

00:38:00.000 He was willing to engage and say, you know, should we reshape our immigration policy because demographics are destiny? 0.87

00:38:06.000 And if the alt light were like Lucian Wintrich, we don't have to agree with everything that they do in their own homes.

00:38:12.000 We don't have to agree with their degenerate art show.

00:38:15.000 We don't have to agree with the fact that they are alt light or alt cuck or whatever.

00:38:20.000 It would do us wonders.

00:38:21.000 I think it would be far more productive if we had a flank on our left that is still on the right wing, but to our left that was articulate, that was smart, and that was willing to engage.

00:38:32.000 It would take us a long way.

00:38:33.000 It would take us a long way.

00:38:34.000 Imagine if, like, Dave Rubin was a serious political thinker and he had on people like Neon James or people like Richard Spencer and people got to hear that exchange.

00:38:43.000 I think not only would people hear the truth that we have to say, but both sides would get smarter.

00:38:50.000 Both sides would get closer to the truth because I'm sure there are things in the alt right that could use sharpening.

00:38:56.000 And I, you know, that's not anything in particular, but this is just tends to happen when you have discourse you sharpen your arguments, you sharpen your logic, you sharpen the coherence of your worldview, and the same will happen for them.

00:39:11.000 And as a result, both sides will get closer to what needs to be done.

00:39:15.000 So, you know, I bag on the alt light a lot, and I only bag on the people that attack me, by the way.

00:39:21.000 But if everybody on the alt light was more like Lucian, and certainly I don't advocate for the alternative lifestyle.

00:39:29.000 I don't mean it in that way.

00:39:30.000 I mean it in terms of if they were willing to discuss, if they had a coherent ideology, if they thought about ideology, we would be so much better off.

00:39:38.000 I hope we can forge that in the future.

00:39:41.000 I hope people in the alt light will step up and provide us with that, step up and give us the right wing, give America what it needs, which is that.

00:39:51.000 And hopefully more people like him will take leadership in there. 0.77

00:39:54.000 And we can have a discussion, we can have a working dialogue, and at the very least, cooperation, because to a certain extent, there is this purity spiral in the alt right where if you're not an unironic Hitlerian, if you're not an unironic exterminationist, you're not good enough, you're a cuck, you can't be in the movement.

00:40:13.000 But it would do us good to expand our scope, maybe not in terms of our ranks, but in terms of who we work with.

00:40:21.000 The alt right is anti war, the alt right is anti illegal immigration, the alt right is against bad trade deals.

00:40:27.000 These are all things. 0.94

00:40:28.000 That are implicitly pro white. 0.96

00:40:31.000 These are all things that are explicitly in our interest, in the interest of our movement. 0.80

00:40:35.000 There are differences, admittedly, but let's sort those out when we resolve some of these other things.

00:40:41.000 We can get help with them where we can.

00:40:44.000 So that's my take generally. 0.97

00:40:46.000 It's funny, this Ali Akbar guy, he keeps dodging me.

00:40:50.000 I don't know what it is. 1.00

00:40:51.000 And this Ali, I shouldn't talk about him.

00:40:56.000 And the reason I shouldn't talk about him is because he's a nobody.

00:41:01.000 You look on his Twitter, and I don't even say that.

00:41:03.000 Like, people say that to each other when you have, like, a rivalry going on to delegitimize the other side.

00:41:10.000 Like, Mike Cernovich was all salty that Richard Spencer got crazy coverage.

00:41:15.000 And he kind of has to say that because right now, people in his movement are saying, like, Mike, like, look at that.

00:41:21.000 That's really exciting.

00:41:22.000 We want to hear what Richard Spencer has to say.

00:41:22.000 That's really cool.

00:41:24.000 He's saying really edgy things.

00:41:26.000 In a sense, he has to say that because it's like, no, no, no, no.

00:41:29.000 I have a thousand views on Gorilla Mindset, or reviews on Gorilla Mindset.

00:41:33.000 I can do that too.

00:41:34.000 I can do anything.

00:41:35.000 So, in a certain sense, he has to do that.

00:41:37.000 And when you have a rivalry, people tend to say these things to delegitimize one another for the benefit of their brand.

00:41:44.000 But when I say that Ollie is a nobody, that is not rhetoric. 1.00

00:41:47.000 That is not like a bant. 1.00

00:41:49.000 He's a nobody. 1.00

00:41:50.000 Look on his Twitter.

00:41:51.000 He gets no likes, he gets no retweets, he gets no replies.

00:41:55.000 The engagement is terrible.

00:41:57.000 It's worse.

00:41:58.000 I had better engagement nine months ago when I had 2,000 followers on Twitter.

00:42:04.000 That is not a joke.

00:42:05.000 I had better engagement when I had 2,500 followers.

00:42:08.000 Like nine months ago.

00:42:10.000 And Ali has 50,000 followers and a crazy following on Periscope.

00:42:15.000 So I probably shouldn't talk about him because anytime I talk about him, it's feeding him.

00:42:20.000 The reason he comes at me is because he wants me to channel my audience into his.

00:42:24.000 But the reason I can't get off the subject of Ali is because he is so fascinating.

00:42:29.000 He is like a specimen, he is something to be observed in this time, in this political time, because he is half black, half Arab.

00:42:39.000 Basically, like a lefty.

00:42:40.000 He's basically a Black Lives Matter guy.

00:42:42.000 He did weird things with Karl Rove. 1.00

00:42:45.000 And he pretends to be in the right wing, but at the same time, he has like this sick inferiority complex because he's black and because maybe he's a closeted homo. 1.00

00:42:54.000 But he has this weird thing where he pretends to be on the right wing. 0.97

00:42:57.000 And yet, he'll be on with Lucian Wintridge, who's like a Goldwater, all Americans are created equal, Thomas Jefferson conservative, and he's counter signaling, calling him racist.

00:43:08.000 So he is like, This alien, he's the most fascinating thing in the world to me, and not even like he's interesting.

00:43:14.000 This guy does not have an interesting original thought in his brain, but interesting to observe like an animal in the wilderness, like when you see a spider crawling around your kitchen or whatever, and you kind of look at it and you're like, well, that's neat.

00:43:25.000 Look at how it walks.

00:43:26.000 Look at how it does things.

00:43:28.000 Not like it's an interesting in and of itself, but to look at, to observe it interact with its environment.

00:43:34.000 Ali, a fascinating figure.

00:43:36.000 And then here's the best part.

00:43:38.000 I was talking to my buddy Steve about this. 0.97

00:43:41.000 I have evidence that Ali is like, Literally gay for the alt right. 0.99

00:43:48.000 I can't share it, unfortunately, because there are reasons for this. 0.95

00:43:51.000 But I have it on very good authority, confirmed by several sources that this person is a legitimate homosexual.

00:44:00.000 And like, not that there's anything wrong with it. 0.64

00:44:02.000 Like, if he's gonna do that, whatever, okay?

00:44:04.000 In the Bible, it says it's a sin.

00:44:06.000 I disagree with it.

00:44:07.000 Like, what?

00:44:08.000 I'm not gonna judge.

00:44:08.000 I'm not gonna come after him for that, right?

00:44:12.000 But what's funny about it is he's gonna go around saying, like, James Alsup and Richard Spencer have, like, this gay thing going on. 0.88

00:44:19.000 And there's like abundant evidence that quite literally he would like to do things. 0.58

00:44:26.000 He would like to interact in a sexual way with young, fashy, white boys, quite like myself and like others.

00:44:35.000 And so it's just funny to me that you have like this he is the manifestation of the confused right wing. 0.99

00:44:42.000 He is the embodiment of the right wing, completely dissonant, completely confused, mentally ill.

00:44:50.000 Neurotic, where he has all these different, like, competing demons in his head. 0.98

00:44:54.000 He's black, he's Arabic, he's a closeted homo, but yet he's also American and conservative and right wing. 0.99

00:45:00.000 I'm sure in his mind it's just like, I don't even know, I can't imagine what it's like inside of there. 0.99

00:45:07.000 But anyway, that's, I don't know how we got there, kind of tangential, but he was talking smack about me the other day in the live chat.

00:45:14.000 My boy Millennial Matt set him straight, but every time I watch him, I have to just, I just have to be like, What must it be like in there? 0.98

00:45:22.000 What must it be like to be like this literal bio trash, literal biological waste? 1.00

00:45:30.000 You know, you look at the physiognomy of this individual and you just got to wonder why is God cruel? 0.94

00:45:39.000 Why is there suffering like this?

00:45:42.000 I will say he's been the one challenge to my faith.

00:45:44.000 He has been a challenge to my faith because you look at this poor creature and the position he was put in, and you're like, Why?

00:45:52.000 Why did you create this?

00:45:54.000 They say God doesn't make mistakes.

00:45:56.000 They say God is perfect.

00:45:57.000 They say all of God's creation is beautiful.

00:46:00.000 And then you turn on Ali's scope and you're like, what?

00:46:04.000 Why have I been abstinent for so long?

00:46:06.000 Why didn't I eat meat on Fridays?

00:46:10.000 Anyway, I know that'll come across as a little juvenile.

00:46:14.000 He'll say that's immature.

00:46:16.000 It's attacking the man and not the argument.

00:46:19.000 And I hope it doesn't occur.

00:46:21.000 Of course, that's.

00:46:23.000 I apologize if he is offended by that.

00:46:25.000 I apologize if that was a little bit too hard on the bully siding.

00:46:30.000 But, I mean, this is my honest opinion of this person.

00:46:33.000 I'm relaying to you my innermost thoughts about this person.

00:46:37.000 It's hard to walk the line, especially when he's calling me names.

00:46:39.000 But, I don't know. 0.98

00:46:42.000 I guess you have to give these people a little bit of credit in terms of these are people that, like the Alis of the world, have ruthlessly fought for relevance and ruthlessly fought for. 1.00

00:46:55.000 Like a stake in this. 1.00

00:46:57.000 And I don't know, I guess there's something to be said for that, even if you don't agree with the motives, even if you don't agree with the morality of it or anything like that.

00:47:06.000 And not like ruthlessness is immoral, but in the sense that ruthlessness for the sake of personal gain, I guess there's something to be said about the tenacity, the opportunism, the creativity, the vision, really, that they've been able to create something out of nothing.

00:47:20.000 So, you know, like Cernovich, I like the guy.

00:47:24.000 I think he's a funny guy.

00:47:25.000 I think he's entertaining.

00:47:26.000 Like he was DMing me the other day, and it was a little contentious because we've been kind of feuding, but it was funny.

00:47:32.000 Like I can't pretend like I wasn't laughing at what he was saying because he's just a charming kind of a guy.

00:47:37.000 And I watch his scopes, he's a funny guy.

00:47:40.000 I would probably get something to eat with him in person.

00:47:43.000 Like, he's an interesting guy.

00:47:44.000 He's the kind of guy that you would, any person would have a beer with him.

00:47:47.000 I don't drink, so I can't really use that expression, but he's a guy I would interact with.

00:47:51.000 And Lucian, who I respect a little bit more in terms of his philosophy, another interesting guy.

00:47:58.000 So I hate to go so hard on them on a personal level.

00:48:02.000 Maybe I regret that a little bit, but certainly I think the criticisms are valid.

00:48:07.000 But we're running out of time here.

00:48:09.000 We only got 10 minutes for questions, unfortunately, because James.

00:48:12.000 Also, not unfortunately, because James Alsop comes on with Overdrive in a bit, but we don't have as much time for questions.

00:48:19.000 So we'll jump into the live chat and we'll see what the people are saying.

00:48:24.000 What are the unwashed masses saying?

00:48:27.000 Of course, I'm joking.

00:48:28.000 Every America First viewer is 6'8.

00:48:32.000 I think that's the minimum, 250 IQ.

00:48:34.000 And of course, I am 6'9.

00:48:37.000 I am 6'9, 288 pounds.

00:48:40.000 I'm 288 pounds.

00:48:44.000 288 pounds, 6'9.

00:48:47.000 314 IQ.

00:48:49.000 So that's like, that's the pinnacle.

00:48:51.000 But everybody else who watches this is not unwashed.

00:48:54.000 We are cream of the crop.

00:48:55.000 So what do we have here on our super chats? 0.67

00:48:58.000 Dissident Right says normalizing the discussion about white identity seems to be the goal. 0.94

00:49:03.000 Hey, and if that is, I think if they would be more clear about that, I think that makes a lot of sense.

00:49:10.000 Maybe it's not so much that they don't have a goal.

00:49:12.000 I'm sure they have a long term goal.

00:49:13.000 It's just the clearly identifiable part where everybody could measure was this good or bad.

00:49:19.000 Right?

00:49:20.000 You know, Trump, it was very easy because we could say, is this going to help him win electoral votes and thus win the election?

00:49:26.000 And so everything could be viewed in the context of, does this help him win votes or lose votes?

00:49:31.000 And I love that.

00:49:32.000 That's why everybody loves the election because it's so easy to keep track of who's winning, who's losing, who is being productive and who is not.

00:49:40.000 And if they would say, like, if they would champion, if they could make it into a slogan or a banner or a mission statement, a mission statement would go a long way.

00:49:49.000 So people could say, They are meaning white identity discussion into the conversation, then they're doing a fantastic job. 0.56

00:49:57.000 It's just about making those objectives clearly identifiable.

00:50:01.000 Empress Finest gives a dollar.

00:50:02.000 Thank you, my man.

00:50:03.000 Toast Nipples, Nick's been reading the beginning of a certain book that details a certain movement's rise to power.

00:50:10.000 What are you talking about?

00:50:11.000 I don't know what you're talking about.

00:50:12.000 What movements rise to power?

00:50:15.000 Howard Morton giving us the buck.

00:50:16.000 Thank you, Howard Morton.

00:50:19.000 Toast Nipples, no more brother wars. 1.00

00:50:21.000 Luckily, Swedes aren't brothers anymore. 1.00

00:50:23.000 They all got the surgery and hormones. 1.00

00:50:25.000 And are now our sisters. 1.00

00:50:26.000 Ouch. 0.98

00:50:27.000 Harsh Neg of the Swedes by Toast Nipples. 1.00

00:50:31.000 I personally like the Swedes.

00:50:33.000 I think they are, I mean, Swedish government not doing so hot, but our boy, Peter Sweden, who watches the show, we love him.

00:50:40.000 He's a smart guy.

00:50:41.000 Who's that other guy?

00:50:42.000 What's his name?

00:50:43.000 The Golden One?

00:50:44.000 I think he's Swedish, or maybe he's Norwegian.

00:50:46.000 I know he's Scandinavian.

00:50:48.000 We like Swedes. 0.66

00:50:49.000 They're good phenotype, they're good blood, but cucked beyond belief.

00:50:53.000 So can't say it's not a fair neg. 0.98

00:50:55.000 Harsh, but fair neg.

00:50:58.000 Two Dicks says, that's a good name, says, Hello, friends. 1.00

00:51:03.000 Joe Jessup is a faggot. 1.00

00:51:04.000 I don't know who Joe Jessup is, but I guess you heard it here first. 1.00

00:51:08.000 Toast nipples 2, stop bullying Peter Swede and Bants are just Bants. 1.00

00:51:13.000 You said it, not me, my man. 1.00

00:51:15.000 Empress Finest, you got to debate some of these 250 IQ alt riders.

00:51:20.000 Sure.

00:51:21.000 I mean, I think I'd be open to having Spencer on the show.

00:51:24.000 I don't know.

00:51:25.000 The thing is, it's a little bit suspect to me to debate somebody who has more clout and who is apparently leading the movement.

00:51:35.000 I just disagree with that idea that.

00:51:38.000 You know, we can challenge him and not like not to revere him as like he's the idol, but I always resent when young guys who don't have a lot of clout and are just getting into it think, I'm going to take on the big guy. 0.97

00:51:49.000 It's different when you're taking it on people who are dumb and who don't deserve their money, like Ben Shapiro. 0.65

00:51:55.000 But Spencer, I have enough respect for what he's doing to like because if I had to debate him, I would have to like legitimately argue the core tenets of his position. 0.97

00:52:07.000 And in the off chance that, and I don't know if it is an off chance, but on the off chance that I turned out to be right.

00:52:12.000 It's just not a good thing to do.

00:52:14.000 It's just not a good thing to challenge people who have more clout like that.

00:52:18.000 I didn't intend for that to come off as smug or like, I'm smart.

00:52:22.000 I didn't intend for it to come off that way, but I would definitely argue with some.

00:52:26.000 As long as people use their real name and they have significant clout, like their opinion matters, I would debate them.

00:52:33.000 If it's like 1488 Nazi LARPer with 60 followers and they have Odin as their profile picture, their AVI, like, sorry, not worth my time.

00:52:44.000 But if it's someone who's using their real name, Who were probably on the same level.

00:52:49.000 Maybe it's a little bit of a ladder for them to debate me.

00:52:51.000 By all means, you know, I'd have them on.

00:52:54.000 But I really like to debate the alt light.

00:52:55.000 I really like to debate the alt light because, number one, you get their audience. 0.99

00:52:59.000 Debating the alt right, it's kind of like a circle jerk.

00:53:01.000 Everybody just kind of has, everybody's set in their ways, everybody's made up their minds, and it does no good to divide the movement.

00:53:09.000 I mean, maybe, I think a discussion is different than a debate.

00:53:13.000 I would have these people on for a discussion because maybe that's more constructive, but a debate gets a little contentious, and some people don't take it as.

00:53:21.000 Congenially, as the actual fighters do.

00:53:24.000 Like when me and Will Chamberlain were talking before the debate started, it wasn't like, it wasn't nuts.

00:53:30.000 It was like, hey man, like this has been fun hyping this debate.

00:53:33.000 This will be a good debate.

00:53:34.000 This will be informative.

00:53:35.000 Like people on his side hated me, and people on my side hated him.

00:53:41.000 And while I certainly am not wild about like his tone and his whole deal, you have a person on the show, and to a certain extent, it's like we are both, you know, in this.

00:53:51.000 So there's kind of a mutual respect there.

00:53:53.000 And a debate.

00:53:55.000 I think that's the problem.

00:53:56.000 While the opponents might be respectful, and that's not always the case, the people get all riled up, and it breeds a lot of bad blood that is not necessarily a good thing.

00:54:06.000 So it's kind of a delicate thing.

00:54:09.000 And shoot, we're running up on time here.

00:54:11.000 I've got to be quicker with these.

00:54:12.000 Mike just drops to five.

00:54:14.000 Thank you, my man.

00:54:16.000 And whoops, scroll down too quick there.

00:54:19.000 Where were we here? 0.98

00:54:22.000 Toast nipples too. 0.96

00:54:23.000 If y'all keep bullying old Petey, no more donations. 0.99

00:54:26.000 The only one bullying Pete is you here. 1.00

00:54:29.000 Two dicks. 1.00

00:54:29.000 Don't apologize for that, champ. 1.00

00:54:31.000 Well, I just don't like to go personal.

00:54:32.000 It's kind of.

00:54:34.000 I'm a young guy, so I can shoot my mouth a little bit because that's kind of expected. 0.96

00:54:37.000 Too young to die, too fast to live, so to speak.

00:54:40.000 But you try and rise above.

00:54:41.000 It is a little juvenile, but it's fun.

00:54:43.000 It's fun as hell.

00:54:45.000 Tyler Jarjura.

00:54:47.000 That doesn't sound Anglo.

00:54:48.000 Says, thoughts on Andrew Anglin and the Daily Stormer?

00:54:52.000 I don't really know enough about Anglin and the Daily Stormer.

00:54:55.000 I never read Stormer.

00:54:56.000 The style of it was too abrasive for me.

00:55:00.000 I'm not an anti intellectual, and not to say that they are, not to say that they're not smart, but it's an acquired taste on Daily Stormer that they're using all these expletives and slurs so liberally.

00:55:13.000 And obviously, that content is a certain kind of content.

00:55:16.000 It's part of the appeal, the shock value that it's supposed to be funny, it's a dark humor.

00:55:21.000 I get all that, and there's an audience for that.

00:55:23.000 It just was never my cup of tea.

00:55:25.000 I was never really impressed with that kind of thing.

00:55:27.000 I understand the need for it.

00:55:29.000 In a society to have an extreme thing, but I think if you're trying to get your message across, you should come across as a gentleman.

00:55:35.000 The people that we idolize, like Mosley and others, did not start up publications that were crass and vulgar and outrageous and shock value.

00:55:45.000 That's what the enemies did.

00:55:46.000 That's what the enemies, the globalists, do.

00:55:49.000 You look at Oswald Mosley, he was a patriot.

00:55:51.000 He was humble.

00:55:52.000 You could tell he loved his country and his people.

00:55:54.000 That's what we have to be. 0.77

00:55:56.000 Toast nipples, too. 0.96

00:55:57.000 Do you like my mug moving gif or jif, Nick? 0.99

00:56:01.000 I did like that.

00:56:02.000 My mom liked that. 0.99

00:56:03.000 She made fun of me for it. 0.98

00:56:04.000 So thanks, Toast Nipples. 1.00

00:56:06.000 My mom was like, Whoever made that gif of you moving your mug around is hilarious.

00:56:09.000 I'm like, Yeah, whatever, mom. 0.99

00:56:11.000 Whatever, mom.

00:56:13.000 And I didn't even like you overcooked a hamburger.

00:56:16.000 So whatever.

00:56:17.000 I don't even care.

00:56:18.000 Saxon Runes, another $10.

00:56:20.000 Thank you, my man. 0.99

00:56:22.000 And Voltron, Asian Americans here who would like to see the U.S. remain a majority white country. 1.00

00:56:26.000 Hey, right on, my man. 1.00

00:56:28.000 I think people like to see this. 0.93

00:56:29.000 It has a positive externality for the rest of the people that it's majority white. 0.96

00:56:34.000 Sorry, folks, but that's true everywhere. 0.98

00:56:36.000 South Africa, Europe, Zimbabwe, formerly Rhodesia. 0.96

00:56:41.000 God bless and keep her, Rhodesia. 0.86

00:56:43.000 And the United States of America. 1.00

00:56:44.000 White people create positive externalities. 0.96

00:56:47.000 Others tend not to. 0.99

00:56:49.000 I was driving through the south side of Chicago today. 0.74

00:56:51.000 Needless to say, I wasn't afraid of the white people there. 0.89

00:56:55.000 That might be too edgy. 0.99

00:56:56.000 Toast nipples, Wotan, not Odin. 0.97

00:56:59.000 Get your Wagner aesthetic down, please. 0.99

00:57:01.000 All right.

00:57:01.000 Hey, all right.

00:57:02.000 Easy, easy, LARPer.

00:57:04.000 And, uh, Two more questions from Saxon Runes, and then we got to go for Overdrive. 0.99

00:57:10.000 Saxon Runes says, What do you think of based white women? 1.00

00:57:13.000 You know, women, I don't like this based white women meme because politics is not the domain of women. 1.00

00:57:19.000 They're not interested in it. 1.00

00:57:21.000 The people that are, are pretending. 1.00

00:57:22.000 There are very few people, very few women who are truly into it that I truly respect their opinion.

00:57:29.000 Like Ann Coulter is one of these people, Phyllis Schlafly was one of these people. 1.00

00:57:35.000 Aside from that, women belong in the home. 1.00

00:57:37.000 I've been pretty unequivocal about that. 1.00

00:57:39.000 Politics, you know, they should be traditional, generally speaking, but it's sort of like on an axis here where the farther you go into politics, the more you get away from femininity and the female mystique, which is important. 0.63

00:57:51.000 And our last question of the night before we go to Overdrive is from Saxon Runes.

00:57:55.000 Do you think Spencer is a CIA agent?

00:57:58.000 I don't.

00:57:59.000 I met him.

00:58:00.000 He didn't seem like a CIA agent, he just didn't.

00:58:04.000 So, but then again, I don't know.

00:58:05.000 You never know.

00:58:07.000 I don't think he is, though.

00:58:08.000 I don't think so.

00:58:08.000 It's just tough.

00:58:09.000 I don't like to vouch for people unless I know them well.

00:58:12.000 But I did meet him, and he seems okay.

00:58:14.000 Seems okay in my book. 0.85

00:58:16.000 But I don't want that to be used against me in the event that he pulls off a mask and it turns out, uh oh, Goyim, you just got got. 0.69

00:58:23.000 I don't know. 0.65

00:58:24.000 So we'll see.

00:58:25.000 Hopefully he's not.

00:58:26.000 But that's the show.

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America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - October 19, 2017

Richard Spencer's Disaster in Florida | America First Ep. 35

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