00:01:30.000I don't want to put people's business out there.
00:01:33.000I mean, some of that's probably going to actually happen, but I don't honestly want to hurt other people.
00:01:38.000I'm not doing this stream to expose anyone.
00:01:42.000Guess if you have a secret that is not out there, please don't name names.
00:01:47.000You can say you heard of this person or that, but I don't want to put other people's business out there.
00:01:52.000You know, let's stay as rational and calm as we can.
00:01:56.000So we'll see how good that actually goes.
00:01:59.000So I guess I just wanted to start with Laura because I think Laura may have been one of the first persons to identify the trad thought phenomenon.
00:02:09.000I remember, Laura, you did a video or a video of yours was published.
00:02:15.000You talking to a friend of Milo, I don't know if you remember, where you insinuated that a lot of things are going on behind the scenes in the old light.
00:02:35.000So, when you said that, what were you implying?
00:02:38.000I mean, are you saying that people have a public face that they give to their audience and in private they're not living up?
00:02:47.000To what they are saying is, I think that's what you were trying to say.
00:02:52.000Yeah, that's exactly what I was saying.
00:02:54.000And look, it doesn't just apply to these females who a lot of us refer to as trad thoughts, right?
00:02:59.000People who present themselves as living traditional lifestyles and really on the down low.
00:03:03.000They're actually, you know, cheating on their spouses, you know, having lesbian affairs, you know, sleeping with men who have girlfriends, sleeping with married men.
00:03:18.000Promote these values, these traditional values within the alt right, or these conservative men who say that they're pro family values, but they're also doing very similar things as well.
00:03:30.000So I find it really hypocritical when you see people making YouTube videos and they're like, oh, donate to my whatever account, whatever platform they may use, when they're really not even living the lifestyle that they promote.
00:03:44.000And then, so when you came out with that, I kind of was hearing.
00:04:36.000I saw that going on and I didn't really care to comment on it until Tara McCarthy sent me a direct message and she said that unless I stopped doing the thought patrol, which is something that me and James Alsop used to do on Nationalist Review and America First Media, unless we stopped the quote unquote patrolling of thoughts or the quote negging of women on our own side.
00:05:00.000Which, in my view, is holding people accountable for what they say and how they act.
00:05:09.000She forced me into this situation where I had to take a pretty strong stance.
00:05:14.000And I actually agreed with the article, I believe it was written by Anglin.
00:05:18.000He analyzed it and he said that this is what tends to happen in political movements women come in and they say, you know, look, we're just one of the boys, we're one of the guys.
00:05:30.000And then they start demanding special treatment.
00:05:32.000And then it splits the movement right in half between the white knights who are going to give it to them because they're friendly with them or they want the pretty princess points and the people who stay true to the movement's core principles.
00:05:43.000And so I think that was pretty illustrative of that when it did, in fact, split the movement.
00:06:09.000And I'm thinking, how did the dissident right, which was honestly, before Laura, before any of the girls came in, it was 100% guys.
00:06:20.000I think the seed of the manosphere and the alt right, I mean, it was 100% guys.
00:06:26.000And then you have a woman coming in who's telling us what we can and can't talk about.
00:06:32.000So that kind of adds to what Nick was saying.
00:06:35.000That when a woman comes into any kind of space, I think she likes to change it to make it more comfortable or change it in a way that her status goes a little bit higher.
00:07:17.000A lot of these women, especially these, you know, these trap thoughts, they want special treatment and they think that just because they're very attractive women and that they, at this point in their life, in their 20s, they have the option of like picking whichever men they want.
00:07:29.000They feel like they can, like you said, change the rules or alter the political landscape to fit their own needs.
00:07:35.000And they think that they deserve special treatment.
00:07:38.000And it's also like this sense of moral superiority that a lot of these women have and that.
00:07:43.000Oh, well, don't you dare ever criticize them, or don't you dare, if you're a guy, ever come for them because they're so used to like these beta male arbiters that one are, you know, the base of their funding, and also they make up majority of their followers and supporters on social media.
00:08:03.000And for me, I don't really try to present myself as something that I'm not.
00:08:07.000Like people can make fun of my looks, whatever.
00:08:10.000I mean, I was, I'm very open about things that I do.
00:08:13.000I mean, I was very open about my nose job.
00:08:17.000Um, you know, I'm open about sexuality and things like that, and I don't pretend to be this you know traditional woman telling other women not to have you know premarital sex or trying to tell women not to do something a certain way when you know I myself am doing that exact same thing.
00:08:36.000So, but then how about what do you say to the people that are saying Laura is jealous of the other girls, jealous of the beautiful you know Laura and Southern, and she's jealous of her views.
00:08:50.000And the beta bucks that Lauren can actually get.
00:10:28.000There is, first of all, Steve Saylor's law of female journalism.
00:10:33.000The most heartfelt articles by female journalists tend to be demands that social values be overturned in order that, come the revolution, the journalist herself will be considered hotter looking, which is exactly what Nick and Laura were just saying.
00:11:38.000The one thing that I can say is that when a group of men are in a room and they are talking and they're talking about masculine things, they're talking about, you know, fitness, women, how to improve the world.
00:11:51.000And then the second you put an attractive woman in that room, it changes everything.
00:11:57.000It changes because now half of the men are going to be trying to impress her, the other half is now mindful of what he says, he's going to speak through a filter.
00:12:06.000So, a lot of people say that I hate women.
00:12:09.000That's why I don't want them in the manosphere or in anywhere on the right.
00:13:10.000I don't want, I mean, listen, if there's a Lauren Southern fan, and I hate the fact that I'm using her, but she's the biggest, you know, so of course her name is going to come up.
00:13:19.000But if there's a Lauren Southern beta bucks, I don't want him in my group.
00:13:24.000I mean, I don't want a guy who's paying a girl he doesn't know on the internet.
00:13:29.000Okay, I went to Lauren's PayPal page, or she has like a support page.
00:15:31.000And you had too many people like Millennial Woes come out there disinviting me from his Millennial stream and all the others that came to the defense of the feminists.
00:15:40.000And they said that anybody who was remotely critical of the trad thoughts was a virgin.
00:15:47.000They were a national Bolshevik, whatever the hell that means.
00:15:50.000And so the problem, I think, moreover, not so much the trad thoughts, I think it's the beta orbiters, in your words, it's the enablers who do this in the movement.
00:16:02.000Yeah, and also, another thing that you just brought up is that this concept of preferential treatment and, oh, I don't want to be mean to these girls because they're so sensitive and whatever.
00:16:14.000Unless they're going to be nice to other people and they're going to have the same perspective, why should they get special treatment?
00:16:19.000Why should you and I go out of our way to make sure that their feelings aren't hurt and that people aren't being mean to them on 4chan or these other platforms when they're doing the same thing to other people?
00:16:29.000I mean, you really have to ask yourself there's so much hypocrisy in this movement where when you go after these people, They cry and they say, Oh, you can't come after me because I'm a woman.
00:16:40.000You can't do this to me because I'm so popular and I'm a star.
00:16:53.000People make threads about me on 4chan.
00:16:55.000People do and say horrible things to me online.
00:16:58.000But I'm not asking for preferential treatment.
00:17:00.000If you want to be a public figure and you want to enjoy the benefits of having a large social media platform, well, you have to deal with the hate that's associated with it as well.
00:17:10.000Not everyone's going to love you, and you need to accept that.
00:17:13.000One thing, Laura, though, one thing I just wanted to say is that as a man, there's something built into us that we don't want to see women get hurt.
00:17:24.000Even if we're really okay, let's say I'm an alpha male, still, I don't like it when I see a woman being hurt.
00:17:30.000So that's kind of a cheat code that women have in life that they can fail again and again, but there's going to be a man somewhere they'll say, oh, I feel kind of bad.
00:18:18.000I mean, I wasn't even expecting him to be on the stream.
00:18:21.000Baked Alaska had said that it was just going to be me, Baked Alaska, and this other guy, that guy Jim, we was Metacore, I think his Twitter handle is.
00:18:29.000And then they started sharing the links with other people and brought people on the stream so that it could turn into like this let's bash lore stream.
00:18:37.000For all these men, if they're really, listen, if someone is coming after me constantly and they're hating on me after month after month, something's there.
00:18:50.000So if a man is hating on you for a long time, I mean, if a guy called in and said, Hey, Roosh, I really hate this girl, I would say, Hey, man, you probably like her.
00:19:01.000Your feelings for her are a little bit weird.
00:19:04.000So it comes out as like a, you know, hate thing.
00:19:07.000But I don't know any guy that hates on girls on the internet.
00:20:13.000I get more hate now, too, from women and men following my nose job.
00:20:19.000Now I have like this beautiful, perfect nose, and I look really good, regardless of what the haters say.
00:20:27.000And like beforehand, I don't think I was unattractive before my nose job either.
00:20:31.000I just think that now my nose looks better.
00:20:35.000So, you know, and it's funny too because a lot of it, your theory really is correct because some of the people who have hated on me online are people who I've had like romantic relationships with in the past or, you know, like casual flings with in the past as well.
00:20:52.000So I think it's really funny or guys who I've actually turned down.
00:20:56.000So the people, some of these guys who really go the extra length to meme me and post about me and engage in this really catty rhetoric are just mad because our relationship is now over.
00:21:09.000Speaking of that, we just got a super chat from Halukin.
00:21:14.000He said to you, Laura, would bang 7.5 out of 10.
00:21:52.000It is a little bit frustrating because you watch some of these women's content.
00:21:57.000And you mentioned earlier there is this argument that, well, women are bringing men into the movement, they're bringing people into the movement.
00:22:03.000And I watched the content that's put out there, and it is the most uninspired content in terms of both delivery and content.
00:22:12.000In terms of the substance of it that I've ever seen.
00:22:31.000And so I guess, you know, I don't really like to complain about it too much because then you look kind of weak.
00:22:35.000But it is frustrating to see that happen because, of course, you get a pretty face on the camera and suddenly, you know, the views and the likes and the followers go up.
00:23:18.000And some of these women are trapped offs themselves.
00:23:21.000And the only reason why they have a lot of subscribers or they're popular online is because they are good looking.
00:23:27.000Because there are a lot of men, and I feel bad for men because of this.
00:23:31.000There's a lot of men out there who have way better ideas than a lot of these women, and they're way smarter, they're way more capable, they're way more accomplished.
00:23:40.000But the reason why they don't have a big following or a lot of subscribers is because they don't have a vagina, right?
00:23:46.000And they're not some cute girl that looks like a doll.
00:23:50.000And, you know, it's not to say that these women don't have anything to offer, but.
00:23:55.000I would agree that men tend to present themselves, at least in this movement, more intellectually and their ideas and their principles are stronger than a lot of these women.
00:24:06.000But they don't really get the reception because, you know, dudes online aren't going to be donating $200 so they can Skype with some other guy or not going to work that way.
00:24:16.000How much would you guys think I can get if I do a Skype call for 15 minutes?
00:24:27.000Generally speaking, you don't even have to be a really attractive woman.
00:24:31.000I think that guys kind of just like this idea of being able to call a girl and, you know, or a girl they admire and having a conversation with her.
00:24:42.000I think it's just this privilege of having a vagina.
00:24:45.000And, you know, you see so many of these people on Twitter who are just so, so stupid, right?
00:24:54.000And all they do is follow people around.
00:24:57.000They're literally like coffee runners for some of these.
00:25:00.000Some of these more high profile individuals in the movement, but they have a following because they're semi attractive and they get retweets from these other powerful men who they surround themselves with.
00:25:15.000I think you're referring to Cassie Dillon there, right?
00:27:20.000I do get them if I go out and actually hunt them, you know, if I go and present myself.
00:27:27.000But on the internet, based on who I am, not many 18 year old girls in their internet habits encounter me, you know, because I just am in the weird corner of the internet.
00:28:36.000I think that speaks volumes about men, too.
00:28:37.000I think that if you think that the only thing women have to offer are their looks or how many followers they have online, you're going to get seriously screwed over when you do find a wife someday or when you do decide to settle down because you're going to be attracting women who are, one, very superficial and very.
00:29:01.000Just like materialistic gold diggers, really.
00:29:04.000And that's why you see a lot of these guys who get cheated on by their wives because they just look for women in these very superficial terms and they don't look at people in terms of what else they have to offer besides their looks.
00:29:17.000Because 20 years from now, when these women get wrinkles and their tips start to sag, unless they find a really good plastic surgeon like I have, they're not going, like, their male audience is going to diminish and they're not really going to be as effective because the reason why.
00:29:33.000You are saying that the beta bucks dries out when these young women hit the wall.
00:29:40.000So, when they hit, so when they're looking, so you are saying that they're going to have to decrease their Skype fees soon?
00:29:49.000And that's why I don't really care when guys say to me, oh, Laura's not as cute as some of these other girls or Laura's not hot.
00:29:55.000Because for me, like people don't follow me or at least majority of my audience isn't following me because they think I'm cute.
00:30:01.000I mean, some people think I'm attractive.
00:30:04.000You know, that's a bonus, but I don't base my brand off of my looks.
00:30:08.000And so 20 years from now, when I'm still ambushing people and getting great content and breaking stories on, you know, like national issues and national tragedies, people are still going to follow me because I do good work and my content is, you know, revolves around the story and the content.
00:30:25.000My YouTube channel or my content isn't revolved around how good I look on camera.
00:30:31.000So speaking of that, we have a couple of, of, uh, Super chats that are mainly about you, Laura.
00:31:25.000He said, What is a good metric for rooting out the trad thoughts?
00:31:29.000My personal metric is their lifestyle combined with the money they are taking in.
00:31:35.000Well, I think a really good metric, too, is if a girl in her 20s is making videos trying to tell you, like most of these women do, don't have sex, get married, your sexual value is going to diminish, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:31:49.000If they're telling you how to live your life and how to control your sexuality, chances are they're a trap thought.
00:31:54.000Because why should anyone, like, why should any woman take direction from any other woman online as to how they should live their life?
00:32:03.000Like, what is so wrong about having sex, right?
00:32:07.000If you're a conservative, are you not allowed to have sex?
00:32:51.000And people think you're intellectual and that your ideas are equal to those of, like, you know, often intellectually superior men in the movement.
00:33:00.000They'll still donate to you regardless of whether or not you're having sex or you have a boyfriend because they're going to want to see your content.
00:33:07.000But these women, their content isn't what's most important to them.
00:33:11.000What's most important to them is, like, their outward beauty or their presence that they project to their beta male orbiters.
00:33:22.000I don't know what you think, but that's why I think that over time, give it.
00:33:25.00010 or 15 years, you're going to see that their audiences are going to rapidly decline or the support for their work is going to rapidly decline.
00:33:33.000Even if some of these girls are like 45 and their skin is all loose and they're ugly or they're fat, even I still think there's going to be a lot of guys because I always hear a story of like a porn star that was rode by hundreds of men, double anal, all that stuff, and she eventually finds a beta male to marry.
00:33:56.000You know, I'm trying to think how can a woman fail nowadays?
00:34:00.000I think you are right in the sense that the amount of men will come down, but there's going to be that one rich guy whose dream in his entire life is to marry one of these girls, and he's going to get her when she's like 40.
00:34:17.000I just think it's not really even just so much their relationship with men, it's the relationship that they create with other women online.
00:34:23.000I just think that's very intellectually dishonest to present yourself as.
00:34:27.000You know, traditional woman, a woman who aspires to just be a housewife someday, when one, you're not even making any efforts to find a long term relationship or have children yourself, and two, you're out having casual sex and hoeing yourself.
00:34:41.000So I think that they should be honest.
00:34:45.000And if they're not willing to be honest, then maybe they should stop making videos about relationships.
00:34:49.000Have you noticed how all these trad thoughts have all of a sudden become experts on relationships as if, like, you know, they're like the YouTube version of cosmopolitan?
00:35:03.000They're selling a fantasy world of the 1950s without understanding the substance of the individuals that made that world work.
00:35:13.000It's like these losers that follow the Gore novels, which, good for you if you don't know what they are.
00:35:19.000But they're these novels where all the men are enslaving and raping women all the time.
00:35:23.000And there's men and women into this role playing because in reality, the men are so pathetic, the wife needs to dress them up like a fantasy character to feel any attraction to him.
00:35:34.000So all of these people that are in this whole trad movement, they're not developing the substance that makes you traditional, they're just putting on the trappings, the outfit.
00:35:49.000It's a costume for them because if they cared about tradition, if they cared about the movement or the nation, simply that for a woman to have two or three or four or five children who are going to grow up and who are going to fight for the cause and they're going to be instilled with good virtues, that is vastly more valuable than the fucking popcorn that they produce, the kind of popcorn content that they put out there.
00:36:13.000You know, it's a contest of whether they can.
00:36:15.000Go to a conference and they give their little speech, and you know, isn't that so great?
00:36:23.000Or if they're going to have five or six children that are going to go out there and carry the torch and really be out there fighting for the movement.
00:36:30.000So, you're right, it is a total failure to understand those values, how you arrive at those values.
00:36:36.000You know, women, they don't understand Blade Runner 2049, they don't understand drive, they don't understand what it's like.
00:36:43.000You know, I don't think when they go out there, And they talk about these things, they understand the genesis of them.
00:37:01.000I mean, you said in the beginning, you think I'm more hated than you, and you don't know why.
00:37:05.000I think the women hate me because I don't wear a costume and I just don't give a shit.
00:37:10.000And I think that they wish they could be as honest as me and they wish that they could be as forward about, you know.
00:37:18.000A lot of your hate, I would say, comes from the alt right, probably.
00:37:23.000Yeah, because the alt right, that's their audience, though.
00:37:27.000Like, a lot of those guys in the alt right who pretend like they're alpha males are actually betas and they pander to a lot of these trad thoughts.
00:37:35.000So, I don't know if like Nick would agree, but I think that a lot of these, like, I think that Nick recently just had a really big blow up with James Alsop over this because he chose to defend the trad thoughts instead of standing by him like a fellow alt right brother.
00:37:49.000James was sending me some tweets that were kind of weird.
00:38:06.000Guys, guys in their mind at the end of the day, like, they say that their allegiances to their brothers in the movement or their allegiance to the movement is strong.
00:38:17.000But come on, like, power of the pussy, Roosh, like, you know this better than I do.
00:38:22.000At the end of the day, a lot of these guys are just going to totally abandon all of their principles if they think that they can have a chance of white knighting and scoring some trad thought pussy.
00:38:32.000I mean, let's be honest, this is what it's about.
00:38:35.000Oh, and I just wanted to say that I have never banged a trad thought.
00:38:40.000I have not, so I don't want anyone to think I am upset at them because I banged one and she dumped me.
00:42:11.000The all type came after me earlier, I think yesterday evening.
00:42:16.000And that's, I think, the bigger problem is the weak men.
00:42:19.000If we had a movement of strong men, if we had a movement of people who weren't going to cuck out to the women, Who are going to stand strong even in the face of, as Laura Loomer termed it, the pussy power?
00:42:40.000I mean, that's what we saw with a lot of these people.
00:42:43.000Honestly, and I just have to say something everything I ever learned about every single conservative skank I should avoid, I learned from Nick Francis.
00:44:03.000And that's by choice because women are very fake, women are very vindictive.
00:44:07.000And it's all a costume, not even just chat thoughts.
00:44:10.000Like women all wear costumes and they're all very.
00:44:14.000And will say and do anything to get what they want.
00:44:17.000And so for me, that's why I feel like most of my conflict exists with, you know, Trad Thoughts or other women because I make a conscious effort to avoid women.
00:44:29.000I prefer to be around men regardless of whether they want to fund me or whether they think I'm attractive.
00:44:36.000I just personally enjoy and I find that my friendships are a lot more meaningful and constructive when they're with men.
00:44:44.000But you know what they say that a woman who can't have.
00:44:48.000Female friends, that's like a bad sign.
00:44:52.000Well, maybe it's a bad sign, but I mean, try being friends with some of these women in the movement and tell me how well that works out for you.
00:45:00.000I mean, a lot of them, a lot of them, they don't even know me and they've taken cheap shots of me.
00:45:06.000I mean, why would I want to be friends with people who make false rape accusations against me?
00:45:09.000Why would I want to be friends with people who, you know, just I try to give people a fair chance, right?
00:45:18.000A lot of people told me beforehand that Nick Fuentes didn't like me.
00:45:21.000You had attacked me on Twitter before.
00:45:37.000And, you know, a lot of people told me that I should hate Nick Fuentes because of his beliefs.
00:45:43.000But honestly, Nick Fuentes, even if, you know, I don't agree with everything he says, as a member of the alt right, he's personally more tolerable to me than a lot of these women.
00:45:54.000Who consider themselves to be alt-white?
00:45:56.000I would rather be friends with Nick Fuentes.
00:46:00.000One thing I can say about Nick is that if he's 19 and able to resist the trad thought pussy power, he's going to be a strong guy.
00:46:09.000Because, man, I think I was finally able to resist the pussy power like 35.
00:46:42.000I mean, who wants to really go through difficult texts, self improvement, knowledge, real ways to solve the problems of Western civilization?
00:47:04.000But yeah, it's just hard because I think the problems in this world today are so difficult that it's just easy to plug out and get your daily soma, your daily live stream.
00:47:15.000That's just kind of fun and makes you forget about them.
00:47:18.000But to solve, I don't think anyway, you know, I am black pilled.
00:47:21.000I don't think we can solve the problems anyway.
00:47:23.000I'm not saying do live streams every single day, but I can understand that now we're just kind of playing to this mob.
00:47:31.000Where do they want to put their attention on?
00:47:34.000It's the fun, it's the drama, it's people fighting.
00:47:38.000You know, if we could actually organize as a right wing movement, it would be phenomenal what we could accomplish.
00:47:56.000I have a lot of faith that that can happen.
00:47:58.000But it can only happen if we lose all the distractions.
00:48:02.000And we know the distractions are the vices.
00:48:05.000You know, I mean, we have people in this movement who.
00:48:08.000They purport to be going out there to save our people and our country, and they're out drinking every week, and they're raging alcoholics, or they're out and they have a different woman every weekend, and they're the white knights on the internet, and so on.
00:48:21.000So, if we could lose the distractions, if we could get back to business in a lot of ways, and this is a big gripe I have with a lot of people, if people just focused and did their jobs, I mean, that was a big problem we had at America First Media people simply not doing their jobs.
00:49:54.000But look, I mean, a lot of this, a lot of the drama and a lot of like the personal drama I've experienced is a result of just trad thoughts constantly trying to like meddle in my affairs or lying about me or lying about other people.
00:50:08.000A lot of the drama is all based in sex.
00:50:11.000I wanted to talk about on your stream is that people don't seem to understand how much of the drama in the right wing movement is just originated from people having sex with people's boyfriends or people having sex with people's exes or people hooking up at parties and just fighting about it, right?
00:50:32.000Because you're shitting where you eat.
00:50:34.000And when you shit where you eat, it's either going to end very well or it's going to end very horribly.
00:50:39.000And all of these people in the right wing movement cannot help but shit where they eat.
00:50:44.000I mean, it's just, they can't avoid it.
00:50:46.000I'm going to tell you a lot of people get into the right, not because they want to save the world or change the world, but because they think it's a group where they can elevate their status enough to sleep with the opposite sex.
00:50:59.000And I believe a lot of the women who get into the right do so because the left is crowded.
00:51:04.000There's really no space for a selfie taking woman on the left or even in the middle.
00:51:10.000So, what they did, saw how empty the right was no women at all, 99% guys.
00:53:46.000So if anyone's going to do a chat on the trad thought, she has seen it.
00:53:51.000She has been with another, I think I've heard, she has shared a man of another trad thought in the sense that she hit it first and then another trad thought hit it after her.
00:54:04.000It's like the Ray J's song, I Hit It First.
00:54:07.000So really, don't you think that her experience gives some value?
00:54:14.000Here's what I think it's like I think it's like when someone writes a book saying, The Federal Reserve is a bad idea or criminal or a Ponzi scheme, and they know that there's a lot of people out there that want to read it.
00:54:28.000But then when push comes to shove, and we say, sure, let's let's do you want to ask anything?
00:54:45.000I'm wondering why in the West there's such a push.
00:54:49.000Among certain groups to bring people in.
00:54:54.000Because even where I am, where there's no one living here, there are certain people that are going around saying, this needs to be a sanctuary city or we need to bring these people in.
00:55:05.000And I'm like, what are they going to do?
00:55:10.000He is saying, why do the Jews want to open the borders?
00:55:19.000Well, A similar concept on Fuentes' show.
00:55:22.000And I think that, you know, when you say Jews, you have to understand you have the left wing globalist Jews, and then you have individuals like myself who are, I'm an atheist.
00:55:32.000I just want to get that on the record.
00:55:34.000I'm culturally, I'm ethnically Jewish, but I don't believe in God.
00:55:38.000So if you're talking about in terms of religion, your question, but if you want to know just from like a cultural or ethnic basis, I think that obviously the policies of the left wing globalist Jews are very toxic.
00:55:52.000There's no denying the fact that a lot of these individuals are pushing for open borders and increased Islamic immigration and DACA, and they're pushing for sanctuary cities.
00:56:02.000But you can't just label all Jews as globalists or pro immigration and pro open borders when I've made a very active effort publicly to disavow.
00:56:15.000And I think that Nick Fuentes can testify to that.
00:56:30.000I know that where your location is more secret, but would you be able ever to talk about when I first started reading you, it looked like we were associated with Hart East.
00:56:40.000I'd be interested in not who that is, but just, you know, sounded like you guys went out and learned game or game together at some point.
00:56:49.000Could you ever expound on that, those early days stuff?
00:56:53.000When, okay, so he is talking about an early Manosphere site, Roycey.
00:56:59.000And Roycey is one of the godfathers of the Manosphere.
00:57:02.000He really combined culture and sex and game.
01:03:37.000I mean, Sweden is the most probably most the most cucked country you can uh find.
01:03:41.000It's uh simply unbelievable to see what's happening in Sweden.
01:03:45.000And I'm just trying my best to report on what's happening so.
01:03:48.000But haven't they been coming after you?
01:03:50.000They've been going after you because you've been sharing what's really going on, your family.
01:03:55.000They've been coming gang stalking your family, harassing them.
01:04:00.000Yeah, well, I was doxxed by the far left recently.
01:04:04.000There's a far left hate group in the UK called Hope Not Hate.
01:04:09.000They're actually funded by George Soros in part, and they're friends with Media Matters in America and so on.
01:04:16.000So they actually doxxed me and my parents as well.
01:04:20.000I put out their address, and then a couple of months later, my parents' dog was actually poisoned by someone because I put out their address.
01:04:27.000And now my parents are having to take measures, and it's insane the level that they're going to just because they don't like the message that I'm putting out.
01:05:24.000I don't know how long you have been watching us, but what do you think of the Trad Thought conversation I've been having with Nick, Laura, and Davis?
01:05:32.000Because I think you are in the middle.
01:07:34.000Use a little bit of eye candy to try and catch them in if you understand what I mean.
01:07:40.000The thing about civilization and the issue that we have women voting is that women want men.
01:07:49.000To get their damned act together and build a civilization.
01:07:53.000If a man goes out there and he's building a house or he has a car or he's got something going on, the women line up saying, I like this guy.
01:10:06.000I only had really gone to the main rebel headquarter office one time in my entire time working there because I was in New York and she's in Canada.
01:10:12.000I mean, we've briefly had conversations, but I was under the impression that you don't have some kind of active issue, right?
01:11:23.000Okay, so I am wearing yoga pants, to be frank, but this is really getting tangential because I'm one of the few trad thoughts, and I understand that I'm probably under this umbrella in your eyes, Roosh, as well as many others, who does not expose cleavage and get out there in my spaghetti skinny minis, okay?
01:11:41.000To be honest, I haven't seen your name come up.
01:11:44.000A lot, it's not as much as some of the others.
01:12:03.000Look, uh, Laura, I want to say first of all, props, girl.
01:12:06.000You've been killing it these past couple days.
01:12:07.000Um, on that roast that they had you on Bakes, and Bakes, one of my very dear friends, that they had you on the other night, you were just swatting them down like flies.
01:12:37.000That's part of the reason why I've taken a little bit of a break as of late, is because I think that the entire right has devolved to the most shallow, just scum of the universe level of.
01:12:58.000So I was talking about God and about this sort of stuff when I was engaged for the first time back in my, you know, my 19 year old days and really trying to make a go of it.
01:13:07.000And now I'm just interested in talking about ideas.
01:13:09.000I'm not interested in showing off any TNA on camera.
01:13:12.000I closed down my Patreon account to send a message.
01:13:23.000And I will say this you are all 100% right in saying that there are very few thought leaders among the pussy power, as you put it on the right.
01:15:07.000Course, a few women will get there, you know, but I think really as propaganda arms, and I think that we should allow them that space because they are obviously good at it, they obviously excel at it.
01:15:18.000I think rather than saying, Woman, how dare you say, Men, pick up your game.
01:15:22.000One of the fantastic things, and the only Patreon that I literally donate to or donated to was America First Media because I was so excited with these two young men.
01:15:32.000Because here in the wake of Charlottesville, there is a crisis of faith of who the F are we, what is the alt right, what is the dissident right, what do we stand for, like, are we abundant.
01:15:41.000Of murderers, like I don't know what's going on, and these two, like a phoenix from the ashes, rise out and give us guidance and are not just propaganda arms but they're actual thought leaders.
01:15:49.000So, we need more James Alsop's and Nick Fuentes's of the world.
01:16:02.000This is a time for strong men, and Roosh, I think that's where you fit in.
01:16:05.000I think we spend too much time focusing on female genitalia and not enough, frankly, on male DNA, and that's what we need right now.
01:16:12.000But, in the beginning, is that I I personally think that the only reason why a lot of these women are in the positions that they're in is simply because they've been blessed with good genetics and they're attractive women.
01:16:25.000Because their ideas are often inferior to those of their fellow male colleagues.
01:16:30.000There's a lot of really brilliant men on YouTube who are making videos, who are putting forth their ideas, who desperately want to be warriors and viewed as opinion leaders and leaders within the movement, but they're not given the same opportunity because they don't have the power of the pussy, right?
01:16:45.000They don't have the vagina privilege that a lot of these other women who.
01:16:48.000You know, are just cute and look good on camera, have.
01:16:51.000And so I would agree with you in that sense, too, and that that's why the crowd thought movement is extremely problematic because women have used this false sense of moral superiority that's been given to them by these men who prop them up through Patreon and other platforms.
01:17:06.000And now they think that they run this thing, right?
01:17:09.000They think that they run this movement when really it should be the other way around because, you know, it's not because they're women, but it's really because their ideas.
01:17:19.000And what they're doing is not as good as their fellow male counterparts.
01:17:25.000Let me read something that I posted about the warrior nature in the right.
01:17:32.000I posted this earlier on the Rouge B forum.
01:17:34.000I would take a squad of five RVF members over an entire brigade of alt right rejects.
01:17:40.000I can only imagine the going ons in that camp arguments and knife fights over what the definition of white is, pagans performing bloody sacrifices for the gods while their followers scream heresies and tattoo themselves with satanic symbols.
01:17:54.000Goddess worship of the camp followers, unspeakable acts of sodomy, and utter pandemonium.
01:18:00.000Meanwhile, the RVF members have managed to establish a hierarchy and protocols within the first half hour, and by the second half, they have their operation planned out in detail.
01:18:20.000So, I mean, there we kind of operate on what Jordan Peterson would say is the dominance hierarchy.
01:18:27.000But online, you know, one thing that Faith was getting into is the role a woman should play.
01:18:32.000I think that the role she should be is helping the men, you know, helping the men to lift them up.
01:18:38.000But when they're taking on a leadership role where the men are actively looking to them for guidance, I think you start getting this perverted notion of what a conservative movement is like.
01:18:50.000It's like having a wife that is a leader who is a sole earner, and then she comes home and expects the husband to have the food ready and the floor mopped.
01:19:03.000At that movement, because that's what you just said is that you're talking about men leading, and a lot of these women will make videos talking about how they need men to lead, but then they themselves aren't letting men lead.
01:19:14.000They themselves are pushing feminist talking points under the disguise of conservative supporters and conservative followers.
01:19:22.000So, really, like Fuente said, these women are all wearing costumes.
01:19:26.000I really think that a lot of these women say they hate feminists, but they behave like feminists.
01:19:30.000The points that their behavior is like feminist behavior, their actions are totally opposite to what they preach.
01:19:38.000And they might as well just call themselves feminists because at the end of the day, they fall more in line with this left wing feminist movement than the right wing values that they're duping everyone into thinking that they actually support.
01:19:51.000That's the thing that these trad thoughts say they're against feminism, but being a trad thought is leading a movement like this is actually a very feminist thing to do.
01:20:05.000A real trad woman would not go out seeking a leading role like this, like some people are doing.
01:20:12.000Okay, with respect, sorry, but with respect, the movement needs leaders, right?
01:20:16.000And so while the feminists will only blame men, I don't want to sit here as kind of a counter signaler, so to speak, and only blame the trad thoughts.
01:20:22.000The trad thoughts are there because we have afforded them a vacuum, right?
01:20:25.000Because no one is taking the leadership role that obviously the followers, the betas, the whomever, the sheep, if you will, are so hungry and thirsty for, right?
01:20:33.000And Roosh, what RVF is about, with the male dominance hierarchy that Peterson talks about, the Mannerbund, which the Germans have reflected, On for several decades, and social matters talks about at life.
01:20:49.000These are hierarchies that men have established for literally thousands of years that don't typically afford a vacuum for women to unnaturally come in and just kind of sit up at the throne, right?
01:21:00.000But I think that really the crux of the matter of why these hierarchies do not exist outside of, okay, to a lesser degree, kind of like Crab Boys in a weird way, but outside of these formal organizations is really and frankly the internet.
01:21:20.000And so men don't interact with men as they usually would.
01:21:24.000They've become kind of these camps of self quarantine and atomized individuals, as opposed to getting into usual pissing competitions with each other, developing normal, manly, testosterone driven attributes of corporal daring, monetary conquest, you know, sexual hard bodiedness, et cetera, and want to just take the piss out of each other to the point where they look at a woman and they say, Yeah, sure, prop me up, but honey, I'm not following your orders.
01:23:49.000Now listen, most of these are beta soy boys.
01:23:51.000And so I actually agree with everything you said.
01:23:54.000But the issue is that if there's a guy that is masculine and you are telling him how to be a leader, the masculine guy is going to say, you know what?
01:24:04.000And this is the whole men go in their own way movement.
01:24:07.000These days it's turned into a joke, but the original was.
01:24:11.000You know, it's if I find a good woman, then she can come into my life.
01:24:14.000But if she's going to try and boss me around and tell me what the hell to do, the hell with that, I'm buying a motorcycle and I'm traveling to the mountains.
01:24:38.000That's probably the first video that ever red pilled me on the Loomer question, where I was like, maybe Laura Loomer was always right.
01:24:45.000When she dropped Aryan Ashkenazi IQ, I was like, girlfriend knows what is up.
01:24:50.000Laura, would you like to state what your IQ is?
01:24:54.000Well, I don't understand what's so wrong about the video.
01:24:56.000Like, I had too much to drink, and I was having an honest conversation with Mike Ma, telling him, look, like, don't be fooled by a lot of these women in this movement who are saying they're trad because they're all cheating on their partners.
01:25:09.000And yeah, like, I was a little handsy and whatever, but you know, like, it was kind of an inside joke, and people didn't really understand the context before it was.
01:25:18.000Filmed and I knew that they were recording, but I didn't know they were going to post it.
01:25:23.000I don't really think that it speaks anything about me.
01:25:26.000I mean, yeah, it just shows that I'm a lightweight and I probably shouldn't have had, well, I don't know, like I probably had like five or six vodka Red Bulls.
01:27:15.000Hey, I'm just going to start by saying that your YouTube video and your voice on the phone don't really line up, so I'm kind of having trouble keeping up.
01:27:45.000I would just say that being a guy that gets a lot of pussy, or that could get a lot of pussy, being a Chad, essentially, it's not that fun.
01:28:31.000He's here, unfortunately, and I'm bored.
01:28:33.000I know it's unfortunate, but I guess I have a question.
01:28:35.000Why are you going to, I guess, rag on the trad thoughts?
01:28:37.000And I don't want the trad thoughts either.
01:28:39.000But you're going to rattle the trap toss for bringing in mediocre people.
01:28:42.000But what do you think the manager of that end?
01:28:44.000What do you think the quality of the manager is?
01:28:46.000And, you know, second question, not to bombard you, but any movement that doesn't recognize a lot of them outright as a joke is just you're going to go nowhere.
01:29:19.000First of all, no, let me respond to this because that's what a lot of people think.
01:29:24.000They're like, oh, yeah, she has Lauren Southern's nose.
01:29:26.000First of all, the only thing I had done to my nose, I had the bump, right?
01:29:32.000And, you know, like I went to a very good blood surgeon and put that in New York.
01:29:37.000And they designed my nose for, you know, the way that it would best shape my face.
01:29:41.000That's why it looks a lot more symmetrical.
01:29:43.000And secondly, yeah, I may have flaws just like a lot of other people have flaws, but I've done more journalism that's impacted the state of the United States and that's impacted the conservative movement for the better than you will ever do in your entire life, whoever you are on the other end of this call.
01:30:00.000Yeah, I may have been caught on camera doing some embarrassing things, and yeah, I may have looked like an idiot when I thought my tire was slashed, and yeah, like people may want to make fun of me and my plastic surgery, but the quality of my work speaks for itself.
01:30:16.000When you accomplish as much as I've accomplished, I don't know how old you are.
01:30:56.000Take it personal, but it's funny when people say that I don't promote any good for the conservative cause and that I have no ideas or no values because you know, I bet you Donald Trump hasn't tweeted any of your videos before, right?
01:32:30.000People can find that drama if they really want.
01:32:34.000And, you know, I've seen this experience going all the way back, you know, I'm a, I'm a long master, a long time, like you, Rouge.
01:32:39.000I've been here since, uh, you know, 2009.
01:32:42.000We used to call trad thoughts red pill women, and they were, they were fucking nuts.
01:32:47.000Uh, and when you uncritically accept all these women into your, your movement, you're accepting these, these borderline, these, these narcissist cases who are causing massive amounts of damage, you know?
01:33:02.000Again, I'm not going to air dirty laundry per your, your request, but, you know, A lot of these women, we don't need any names, they're nuts.
01:33:10.000And, you know, when you let these nuts women run amok, they cause massive amounts of damage.
01:33:15.000That's the element here that I think is being underplayed.
01:33:19.000Is there anything you would like to ask Faith or Laura?
01:35:40.000Like, Jesus, guys, if you're going to criticize somebody, criticize them for something they actually did, not for something they didn't do.
01:35:53.000Are you checking out the Instagram of your favorite Trap Thought?
01:35:56.000No, I was just actually looking at the live chat that's going on here in the background for the stream.
01:36:02.000So, one thing actually I wanted to ask the men is would you date a girl with a prominent Instagram, YouTube, or would you date a girl who's getting at least 20 beta orbiters every day, liking her photo all up in the DMs, saying how beautiful she is, how she's a princess?
01:36:39.000I wouldn't call myself alt right or anything like that, but I'm definitely looking for a very traditional girl, you know, like 50s, 50s style, conservative tradition, you know.
01:36:49.000If someone is, you know, on Instagram and looking for likes and all of that, the risks are that she won't be as trad as you would hope.
01:36:57.000And that's the thing with these tradfers, you know, they label themselves trad, but, you know, they are actually acting very feminist in.
01:37:03.000You know, and being prominent on social media and taking leading roles.
01:37:07.000So, I would rather just go looking for someone.
01:37:11.000You know, I'm in Norway at the moment.
01:37:12.000I had to move to Norway because of threats and doxing.
01:37:16.000So, I'm actually right now out in the Norwegian mountains.
01:37:20.000And, you know, we have a small village here, you know, a traditional church.
01:37:23.000You know, I would just go looking for a nice Norwegian princess around in the local church here, which is actually just 500 meters outside my window here.
01:37:38.000I have to say, when I moved from the UK to Norway, I was first actually quite stunned by the difference in the appearance of people and also traditional.
01:37:50.000Norwegian women are a lot more traditional than British women.
01:39:20.000I want a real woman that has some modesty.
01:39:23.000Now, if there's something you do, like if you're a novelist.
01:39:27.000For example, a female novelist, then you're going to make public appearances and you're going to have the occasional photo you put up on Twitter, et cetera, et cetera.
01:39:35.000The question is, is she acting with modesty or is she a manipulative attention whore?
01:39:40.000And you know, you guys, you got to be able to make that judgment call.
01:39:46.000If she has more than 1,000 followers, you cannot, don't marry her.
01:39:54.000Because, man, I find that when a girl is getting constant attention from men every day, it rewires her brain.
01:40:01.000In a way that one man, one good man, cannot satisfy her, just cannot.
01:40:05.000I mean, she is getting so much dopamine from the fact that you look so good, I love you, I want to hit it, that it just rewires her brain.
01:40:16.000And so, unfortunately, I think a woman would have to withdraw from that for an extended period of time.
01:40:22.000It's like when you're drinking coffee every day and then when you quit coffee, it takes a couple weeks for your brain, like you may get headaches and you're tired.
01:40:30.000That's how girls feel when they're on their Instagram every day and then they just quit it.
01:40:35.000This is why so often you see that girls can never quit.
01:40:45.000What sort of behavior is she encouraging?
01:40:47.000Forney was talking about the red pill women.
01:40:49.000And there were a few female bloggers back then that were writing good stuff, but they weren't encouraging attention.
01:40:57.000Then you had the other ones that are just making these subtle little indicators, like they mention their sex life or whatever, and they are just surrounded by beta male orbiters.
01:41:09.000On social media because she is contributing something, like I said, novelist or like legitimate journalist, or is she attention whoring so she gets dirty messages from losers?
01:41:19.000And a woman knows, honestly, a woman knows how to not get dirty messages if she doesn't want to get dirty messages.
01:41:59.000So, I actually have like a lot of like, yeah, base boomers, to be honest.
01:42:03.000And so, like, that's why I'm less quick to kind of throw them under the bus, so to speak.
01:42:07.000But I will say this to your earlier point, Roosh, about social media rewiring girls' brains.
01:42:13.000From a personal standpoint, I think that Charlottesville was one of the best things to happen to my relationship because when the whole, like, I was like Canada's little Nazi Barbie, if you will, we didn't have any Richard Spencer's or Baked Alaskas or James Allison's here, it was just me.
01:42:26.000That when the whole kind of Canadian mainstream media descended on me, there was no longer this, oh, look at me, I'm such a star, everybody loves me.
01:42:33.000It was like, people are attacking me, I need protection.
01:42:36.000And it was one of the most fantastic things because it just automatically threw my relationship back into just, I think really healthy mode.
01:42:45.000So I think that, yeah, and that kind of forced me to take that, just a break from the limelight for a little bit and helped me reorganize what I wanted and at the time at which I wanted it too.
01:42:57.000And I will say that I think that ovaries do start itching for women too, that if they're serious about wanting women, children rather, at a certain point, they're like, kid, this Instagram stuff is not actually fulfilling.
01:43:07.000But Laura, I think you met a guy through your work, right?
01:43:11.000I think you're dating that guy, Mike Tokes.
01:43:48.000Mike and I first met when I was, you know, first investigating the Las Vegas shooting, and we became really good friends.
01:43:55.000And, you know, I have a lot of flaws, and we.
01:44:04.000I feel like when, just kind of like what Faith was saying, too, like when you're hated and you feel like people are constantly attacking you, sometimes there are like people who you meet or people who, you know, like come into your life and they kind of.
01:44:18.000Perspectives and Mike's been a really good friend to me, and he's helped me, you know, like see things in other ways.
01:44:25.000I feel like sometimes that can be really rough around the edges.
01:44:28.000You're talking to a most audience of mostly men, so when you're telling all these men that Mike is a friend, everyone is thinking he's trying to get it in.
01:44:36.000That's what they're thinking, that's what I'm thinking, anyway.
01:44:41.000I mean, because usually guys don't go out of their way to be friends with a woman unless that's his alternate dating strategy to make love to her.
01:45:18.000So you have women who post a lot of pictures of themselves, but then you also have men who.
01:45:22.000Who also get a lot of attention on social media.
01:45:26.000And I personally wouldn't want to date a guy who's like always posting ab selfies or, you know, like posting images of himself in bathing suits.
01:46:14.000I think it goes both ways because there are a lot of guys out there who say, Oh, well, I wouldn't want a girl who's going to be Instagram all the time.
01:46:22.000But then those are the girls that they go for, and they're always trying to hook up with the Instagram models or the girls who are on Instagram.
01:46:28.000But then why would women want to date a guy who's always posting Chad selfies?
01:46:34.000Because a woman wants the highest status male she could possibly get.
01:46:40.000But, guys, I'm telling you right now, and I'm speaking from personal experience guys who are going to be like putting effort into posting six pack selfies on Instagram and not posting selfies of you guys together are not being loyal to you.
01:46:52.000They're probably cheating on you and, you know, talking to.
01:46:57.000Basically, telling the people how to get you.
01:47:00.000You know, there's a lot of guys like, oh, Laura doesn't want six pack abs.
01:50:49.000Why don't you spend dozens more hours consuming all my articles and videos, and then maybe you'll come up with an opinion that makes you feel good about yourself?
01:52:13.000I wanted to ask you about you've talked a bit about, or one of your articles you talked about, Washington, D.C., having bottomed out.
01:52:21.000And I think you mentioned something as well about women have hit sort of the bottom where they can't get much worse, at least in some places of the world.
01:52:31.000And as we know, when the heat rock bottom, the only way to go is up.
01:52:37.000So if these women really, you know, they hit rock bottom and the only way to go is up, could it be that the track dots.
01:52:49.000Could it be that the track dots are actually.
01:52:53.000The first step in the positive direction.
01:52:55.000I mean, obviously, there's still lots of problems, attention calling, and all of that, but I mean, it's still a step up from, you know, a hairy, like, blue head feminist or something like that.
01:53:05.000Okay, so what he is saying is could it be that the trad thought phenomenon is the first step in the direction of improvement among Western civilization?
01:54:28.000And so, the way I imagine it, trap thoughts are like.
01:54:34.000Are cheerleaders to sports teams and the quality fans come to games to follow the good quality sports teams, but the people who follow the cheerleaders aren't the quality fans.
01:54:54.000Oh, and then it's a question of, like, because I'm having difficulty identifying the quote unquote trash thoughts.
01:55:00.000It's just simply a matter of how they reveal themselves over time, or is it just a matter of, How you can know them right away because women instinctively take attention away from leadership.
01:57:27.000Or is she putting her work out there as opposed to her bust line?
01:57:34.000Well, I think, I mean, look, in this day and age, I don't necessarily think it makes you like a thought or untouchable if you have a lot of followers on Twitter, because like you said, I mean, if you're doing real journalism and you're effective and like, I personally don't think I hoe.
01:57:54.000I don't think that I like to present myself that way.
01:57:57.000Other people may think differently, but I don't really think that I like to make an active effort to, you know, like advertise my physical appearance to get donations or increase my male audience.
01:58:10.000But I have followers because my work is effective and people seem to be obsessed with me and they like negging me.
01:58:17.000But you can always tell by a woman's Instagram count as well whether she's really hoeing because people are really only going to follow a woman on Instagram if she's posting revealing.
01:58:29.000Posting, you know, what they call thirst traps, right?
01:58:32.000Pictures that are going to make guys slide into your DMs.
01:58:35.000Because Instagram, if you ever just look at a lot of these girls on Instagram and you look at the comments section, it's all thirsty men.
01:58:45.000Oh my God, I hope I can find a wife like you.
01:58:48.000Or like the heart, the flame emojis, or, you know, the heart emojis.
01:58:52.000And so I think Instagram is very telling as a platform as to like what kind of woman you're dealing with and whether or not she's toxic or whether you should avoid her.
01:59:01.000Because Just like you said, Rush, when women receive all of this attention, especially on Instagram, it alters their reality and it changes their expectations of men.
01:59:11.000And they expect to have men in their lives constantly, like, you know, saying things like, oh my God, sit on my face.
01:59:19.000I just want to tell you how beautiful you are all day, right?
02:01:04.000I wasn't even wearing a bra when I took that picture, and it was like New Year's, and I was like, oh, well, I have to post a New Year picture.
02:01:46.000They'll show their tips on their Instagram or their asses or their, well, they'll wear really short shorts or they'll take it from angles that are very revealing.
02:01:58.000But you can always tell when a woman is just posting a cute picture and then she's asking for comments or she's asking for men to slide in her DMs.
02:02:09.000You know, I do think that even when you don't try, there's still something in you that enjoys it.
02:02:15.000I'm saying every girl, even a guy, likes it when someone, when a girl comments on a photo that says, you know, you look good, you look, you know, handsome, sexy, it feels good.
02:02:28.000So, what I think is a lot of the social networking stuff is really an attempt for us to get love.
02:02:35.000It's just we're not getting love in our lives because the people around us are too busy with their own selves and doing other things.
02:02:43.000So, I think it could be in the case of the trad thought.
02:02:47.000That all these men giving them all this internet attention is their attempt at receiving the true love that they can't get from a single guy.
02:02:57.000Can I say one thing on talking about all these women getting all attention on these trans thoughts?
02:03:05.000I met some of these people in real life, and I kind of think, I kind of get the feeling that somebody's attention kind of goes to some people's heads a bit, if you understand what I mean.
02:03:16.000They kind of feel like they are a little bit of a diva.
02:03:21.000You know, they're kind of better than everyone else, if you understand what I mean.
02:03:24.000That's the kind of feeling I get that happens to some of these people.
02:03:28.000I think it happens to males as well, but I think it's more prone to happen to females for obvious reasons.
02:03:34.000Men are more made to kind of handle this kind of situation, you know, leading and so on, whereas women are not really made to get that much.
02:03:45.000They're not really made to handle it as well.
02:03:50.000Well, it gets to their heads because, like I said before, they.
02:03:55.000They build their brands around their appearances.
02:03:58.000And so obviously, it's going to get to their head when they have all these people constantly kissing their ass and telling them how cute and pretty they are because they're going to think, like, oh my God, like, you know, all these people think I'm so great.
02:04:10.000But that's what happens when you, as a guy, choose to give women that power by vesting or signaling to them that they're important because of how they look and how they're.
02:04:25.000How their physical attributes contribute to the movement instead of valuing the content they produce and their intellect, right?
02:04:32.000If men actually treated women as inferior, right?
02:04:38.000Because a lot of these women are, let's just be honest, right?
02:04:40.000They claim to be superior to their male colleagues, but really their ideas and their behavior just prove that they're inferior to their male colleagues.
02:04:48.000If men actually started to treat women that way instead of propping them up on the basis of their beauty, Then they wouldn't act like conceited bitches.
02:04:58.000They wouldn't go around thinking that they're better.
02:05:00.000And at the end of the day, this backfires on men because when you prop a woman up based on her appearance, she's going to treat you like an option.
02:05:08.000She's always going to think, oh, I can get the Chad with the six pack.
02:05:12.000I can get the Chad with the eight pack.
02:05:14.000And that's why a lot of these women are so lonely because they're always looking for the next best thing instead of the perfectly fine guy who's, you know, right there besides him who would make a fine boyfriend or talking about Mike Tokes.
02:05:51.000Out of respect for other people, I don't want to entertain that conversation because it seems like he seems like a nice guy.
02:05:59.000I don't know him, but I mean, I thought you were talking about him.
02:06:02.000I thought you had his image in your mind when you were saying that.
02:06:06.000Certain things are not meant to be broadcasted on social media and a part of the internet drama world.
02:06:12.000The reason why a lot of these people end up having failed relationships is because they broadcast their entire lives and their relationships on social media.
02:06:19.000I personally think that those things should remain private, regardless of who a person is talking to and whether or not people are dating each other.
02:06:27.000I don't think those are appropriate topics of discussion for podcasts because, at the end of the day, that's very private and personal to people.
02:06:37.000I don't know, but let's just say this.
02:06:43.000Let's just say that Mike, he sends, oh no, you send Mike a text right now that says, hey, Mike, I'm feeling lonely after this live stream.
02:06:54.000Can you come over with a bottle of wine?
02:06:58.000How long would it take him to run over?
02:07:08.000I really respect Mike as a person, and I don't want to humiliate him or have him be a topic of conversation amongst other men when he's not here to defend himself.
02:07:22.000I have a lot of respect for him and I care about him on a personal level.
02:07:27.000I just don't want to make him the laughingstock of a dude.
02:10:19.000I think if you're getting into the right, I'm saying for your looks alone, you're not going to be top.
02:10:24.000Because if you were top, you would have already done well in like whatever, Hollywood or something.
02:10:31.000Look, like I said before, I mean, I'm not going to be petty and say that, you know, just because Lauren's been a bitch to me, she's not pretty.
02:12:00.000That goes along with what I'm saying, though.
02:12:02.000All of her pictures lately are with him.
02:12:05.000So I don't really feel like that's necessarily thoughting because I don't see her, I don't follow her on like YouTube or anything.
02:12:12.000But from what I see, I don't really feel like she's producing a lot of content.
02:12:16.000I feel like she's just kind of following Martin around Europe.
02:12:19.000So it's hard to kind of call her an active thought at the moment.
02:12:23.000Because she's kind of no longer hanging out with Lauren on a daily basis like they used to.
02:12:28.000They always used to make these like relationship expert videos where they would tell women not to have like premarital sex while they were having sex.
02:12:36.000Is a bad influence or was a bad influence on her?
02:13:20.000There would be little DM groups among a few people who would just laugh at the videos back and forth because they thought it was hilarious.
02:13:48.000Are you saying a man should actually tolerate that, his girlfriend sleeping around?
02:13:54.000No, but what I'm saying is there are men who kind of have, I guess they call it arrangements.
02:13:59.000And look, I'm not promoting this, but what works for one person doesn't work for all.
02:14:05.000And so for people not only to just be saying, this is the only type of relationship you should have while not even practicing that relationship themselves or while having sex with people who don't.
02:14:17.000Definitely, and I know for a fact, and I'm going to hold my tongue and not say anything.
02:14:22.000Who I know for a fact don't have monogamous relationships.
02:14:27.000I think that it's fraudulent and I think it's bullshit.
02:14:30.000So, look, I think that you can be a thought, and then I think that you can be a dormant thought and an active thought.
02:14:39.000Some of these people are in long term or what appears to be, like I said, serious relationships at the moment.
02:14:55.000You know, all it takes is a breakup and then you activate the thought.
02:14:59.000So I think that all of these women obviously have thought tendencies, but I think that, you know, you can be an active thought or a dormant thought.
02:15:12.000Like maybe they're still active thoughts and, you know, you can really fool and dupe a lot of people based on what you post on social media.
02:15:19.000So just because, you know, someone posts a picture of themselves and they look like They're a happy couple doesn't necessarily mean they're a happy couple, but um, you know, I have noticed that she no longer, Brittany, that is, no longer is like actively with Lauren and some of these other women.
02:15:35.000Like, they used to travel in a squad with like a few other people, um, to Europe and they would all like travel together.
02:15:42.000And um, now it's just doesn't seem like that's the case.
02:15:46.000So, can I uh jump in and uh, I'll jump in a white knight a little bit for Brittany Pettibone?
02:15:52.000Uh, I would not classify her as a trad thought, uh.
02:15:58.000I actually met her down in Sicily last summer.
02:16:04.000I was reporting on the whole migrant crisis thing down in Sicily, and I met her there.
02:16:08.000She was together with the Generation Entity Defend Europe thing.
02:16:13.000Was this before or after her and Martin started going out?
02:16:17.000They actually met each other there in Sicily.
02:16:20.000So I was actually there when they got together.
02:16:23.000I spoke to her a bit before, and I would say, I mean, we were quite.
02:16:28.000I mean, I'm still quite okay, friends.
02:16:52.000But I met her, and she did not come across as a trad thought at all.
02:16:57.000I mean, she came across as really more traditional, and I think.
02:17:02.000After they got together with Martin Sellner there in Sicily, and I think, you know, if you look at what she's been doing since then, she definitely seems to be more real traditional.
02:17:12.000She's been, you know, following Martin a lot more.
02:17:18.000That's why I said a lot of these women were labeled as Trathos, but that's why I said, well, lately, I don't know if I can really call her at the moment, you know, an act because she seems to be in what appears to be a traditional relationship.
02:17:32.000But then again, There's more than just meets the eye.
02:17:34.000So I'm going off of what I'm seeing on social media.
02:17:40.000And I met her in real life, and she did not appear as a trans for me.
02:17:43.000I'm not talking about Britney, but in general, you can't, Peter, and you see how appearances can trick a man.
02:17:52.000You know, I don't think appearances are a good metric to go by whether a girl is good or not, because a woman can easily deceive a man very easily.
02:18:05.000So I'm not saying Britney is not who she says she is, but you have to be a little careful.
02:18:59.000I think at the end of the day, what this really boils down to is people not being comfortable with their sexuality.
02:19:04.000I think that women, especially, are very uncomfortable with their sexuality, and they constantly, and we're going to be talking about costumes, they wear these costumes to pretend like they're somebody that they're not.
02:19:22.000Um, any less like desirable or any less conservative if you're just like open and honest about things, right?
02:19:27.000Because for me, like, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend like I'm traditional, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend like, um, you know, I think that premarital sex is bad and you know, all these things that a lot of these other women are saying on their YouTube channels because that's just not genuine and that's not real.
02:19:46.000And I think that, um, like I said, it just boils down to people not being able to really like, um, find.
02:19:54.000A parallel between their own personal sexuality and what they're doing on a daily basis, and then the sexual image that they're projecting to the world.
02:20:02.000And obviously, that's going to clash, right?
02:20:05.000So, Laura, what you are saying pretty much is it's okay to be a lady in the streets, but a freak in the sheets.
02:20:14.000I mean, that's basically what you're saying.
02:20:18.000But you don't like how these girls are trying to say they're a lady in the.
02:20:25.000In the sheets, but you feel they are not.
02:20:33.000I mean, look, everybody has sex, and I don't really think that people are going to shame you or stop listening to your content just because you have sex.
02:20:39.000And everybody's having sex with everyone in this movement.
02:20:42.000And I think that people need to stop denying.
02:20:45.000The reason why, like a lot of, like I said before, all this drama is created by like sexual and sexual gossip and people having sex.
02:21:08.000And we wouldn't even be having any of these talks today if people were just honest and open about their true sexuality and their sexual intentions.
02:21:15.000When you act like a hoe and people find out you've been a hoe and that you've wrecked relationships and that you're actually having sex and hooking up with polygamists or engaging in very non traditional sexual behaviors, but then you're promoting traditional behaviors.
02:21:32.000People are going to call you out and you can't cry about it and accuse men of ganging up on you and being you when people finally realize you're being a con artist.
02:21:48.000It's the hypocrisy that people don't like.
02:21:51.000If they say they're for something, but there's something else behind them.
02:21:54.000It actually reminded me of something I lived in the UK before, and I'm not going to mention names, but this is not any of your.
02:22:05.000This is actually some more into political parties and stuff, so on in the UK, in some right wing parties.
02:22:15.000They say they are really right wing, traditional, conservative, and so on.
02:22:21.000But, okay, and that's a facade, that's what people see.
02:22:25.000But when you dig into behind the scenes, there's actually some really messed up stuff going on in some of these circles that if people knew what they were actually doing behind the scenes, I mean, people would go crazy.
02:22:41.000I mean, their hypocrisy would be exposed to the world.
02:22:47.000And that's the thing I don't like about the right wing movements, especially the ones that I've seen in the UK, is that they are total hypocrites.
02:22:54.000They say one thing, they say they're traditional, but then on the inside, they just do something completely different.
02:23:01.000And I don't think any movement will be able to succeed if they are, you know, With such hypocrisy, you know, you need better leaders.
02:23:14.000There's a foundational, we haven't voiced this because I think for most of us, we're very well aware of it.
02:23:21.000Women want attention in the same way that guys want sex.
02:23:26.000And for instance, if I'm giving a woman advice as to how she can find a good man, it's like, well, open your eyes.
02:23:33.000You know, like Chad Thundercock just wants sex.
02:23:37.000And so he's being as incredibly sexy as he possibly can.
02:23:41.000But look at him and listen, if you just want the dick, then go for Chad Thundercock.
02:23:45.000If you're trying to find a husband, guess what?
02:24:16.000Where is there, if there's a woman that's developing virtue, and maybe she's a writer, maybe she has some sort of presence online, most people do.
02:24:47.000They say that, like, Jewish women have this sexual allure to them where, and the alt right always talks about it.
02:24:53.000They're like, oh, don't let her trap you with her kazar milkers because they say that these Jewish women will seduce men into reproducing with them because Judaism is matrilineal.
02:25:04.000And so it's like a Jewish girl's trap of trapping a boy into producing Jewish children with them.
02:25:12.000Yeah, but you know that black chicks lactate chocolate milk?
02:25:18.000Laura, do you think a lot of these white men in the alt right, if given the opportunity and no one could find out, like no one could say, oh, you sabotaged us, they would participate in some kind of intimate activity with you, even though in public they say they would not?
02:26:03.000Okay, so some of these guys will like slide in my DMs and they'll be like, hey, like, you know, I'm a part of the FastWave server, and like all these guys, you know, like talked about you, but I like think you're pretty cute.
02:26:13.000And like they'll like make like comments, like sexual comments, like they'll slide in my DMs, or some of them will hit on me and try to talk to me and like, You know, like I'm not saying that I've, you know, I haven't gone out on dates with any of these like really extreme guys, but some of these guys who are like very like right wing, like I may have like gone out, you know, with a couple of them sometimes, like just to feel it out.
02:26:37.000But look, what people say online on social media and what they present is not reality, right?
02:26:43.000So a lot of these people will be friends with people who say, oh my God, Laura's so ugly.
02:26:50.000And, you know, they'll make fun of me and my physical appearance, but that's not like what they're.
02:26:54.000Telling me personally, like, is there like a big name guy who rails against Jews constantly and he's like hitting you up?
02:27:01.000I mean, because if there is, that kind of proves to others that you know it's like a public, it's like the guys maybe are not that different from the women and putting on a public face.
02:27:13.000That's not, I want, there is, there, hold on, wait, wait a sec.
02:27:19.000I'm not going to name names, but there is an individual who has made, who has made a lot of like, semantic signals and just like pro.
02:27:28.000White nationalist rhetoric who is definitely having sex with non white women.
02:28:23.000And at the end of the day, regardless of what your political rhetoric is and what you may think about somebody or what you may say, when you're with somebody and you're one on one, and maybe you've had a Few drinks or whatever, or maybe you're like sitting down and someone's wearing like a really cute dress, or you know, like you see someone and their friends aren't there, and you're just like getting to know each other, like things happen.
02:28:45.000And I'm telling you right now, like a lot of people who neg each other on social media constantly are actually like having sex with each other.
02:28:53.000So, newsflash, you know, it's not just the women, it's the men too.
02:28:57.000And a lot of these like alt right guys or the guys who like to talk about Jews, they have fetishes for Jewish women.
02:29:05.000And they are like, I mean, like, look at Mike Enoch, for example, the other night.
02:29:08.000We're talking, and he's trying to attack me for posting a picture of his mother that was like public information.
02:29:13.000And he is one of the most raging anti Semites in this country, like on social media, talking about Jews.
02:29:23.000I mean, he's pictured Zeke Heiling, and he was banging a Jewish woman.
02:29:36.000I've had people tell me personally that they know for a fact that he's like in a current relationship with a Jewish woman.
02:29:41.000So a lot of these guys like to signal because, you know, they, I don't know what it is.
02:29:47.000I don't know if it's like this fantasy that they're living in this head and they just kind of like or something, but they are sexually attracted to you.
02:29:57.000It's when you have guilt for loving something that you shouldn't, it comes out in this public hate.
02:30:04.000Like me, I would say, oh, feminists are really bad.
02:30:39.000For the longest time, I've been pointing out you need leaders that are not focused on this.
02:30:50.000Easily explain narcissistic type of objective.
02:30:54.000You need leaders that are about virtue because, like, I don't know, save the white race, for example.
02:31:03.000If your movement is full of soy boys and cucks and trad tots, and like, nothing is going to happen whatsoever, you need leaders that start off with virtue, with discipline.
02:31:15.000And I mean, all of us are fallible people, all of us fall short of our own standards.
02:31:22.000You know, if you want to tear somebody down, you can always find some reason to tear somebody down, some hypocrisy, some weakness.
02:31:28.000But you ultimately, like, I don't know you that well, Loomer.
02:31:33.000I've never spoken to you before, Peter.
02:31:35.000But, like, Ruch, I know you have your flaws.
02:36:07.000The meetup, the happy hour, was Rouge realized that, hey, there's this hill over here with a perfect 360 degree view of the battlefield that nobody's defending.
02:36:19.000We can take a small force and go sneak up on it, and boom, then we have a view of the battlefield.
02:36:24.000And at the 11th hour, they figured out our plan.
02:39:37.000So, if you're a new person that's starting to find yourself one day waking up and, whoa, you're on the wrong side of the culture war and you're just being attacked for wearing a hat or a shirt, you're going to have to learn.
02:39:51.000So, the best way to do it is like when you go to the gym and you want to lift a lot, you don't start on day one lifting a weight that is really, really big.
02:40:18.000Because a lot of the hate that we have probably gotten, that's not something you can actually.
02:40:23.000Build up to it's just because one day you're getting maybe 10% hate, and then your activism, your happy hour goes viral, and you're getting more hate than 99% of people have ever seen.
02:40:37.000So, that I think there has to be something inside you.
02:40:39.000I'm not saying I'm stronger than you or we are stronger than you, but you may be stronger than you think.
02:40:46.000You may be able to actually handle a lot more, you know, hate than you think because we're raised now in this culture where.
02:40:54.000Our parents guard us, the culture guards us, corporations have these safety, safe spaces in the colleges.
02:41:02.000But I think you could probably handle it a bit more.
02:43:08.000Uh, what works for me isn't going to work for like your average woman because I feel like I'm very thick skinned compared to most women I've met.
02:43:17.000Like, most women the other night when they were on like Baked Alaska's Dream would have like broke down crying if they had three really mean men and another girl who like doesn't like them jumping in, attacking them.
02:43:30.000But, um, some people are just kind of like born with it and it's like this natural ability to just deal with it.
02:43:36.000But I'm also not going to lie and say that I haven't been affected by it.
02:45:08.000Look, every time you take a picture with anyone, people assume that you're hooking up with someone or that you're dating.
02:45:13.000But no, I'm single, and I just personally think, yeah, sometimes it'd probably be better.
02:45:19.000It'd probably be easier if I had a man in my life and everything, because I think that.
02:45:23.000Like, men have this ability of making women feel better when they're kind of sad and, like, you know, making them feel better about things.
02:45:30.000But I've always just kind of dealt with things on my own and at different points in my life where I've had relationships or like men in my life.
02:45:42.000So I think your advice is helpful as well because it does help to have a guy you can kind of cry to.
02:45:48.000But, you know, no guy really likes that.
02:45:51.000Like, you shouldn't really be crying to a guy all the time because then again, like, No guy is going to want to have sex with you if you're just crying all the time.
02:46:00.000I would say the whole hater thing is, I mean, when you first run into it, okay, like anybody that's done any creative writing and they put their thing out there on a forum and people critique it, the first time you do that, it's really hurtful.
02:46:12.000Okay, the first time you run into a major criticism, of course it's going to be hurtful.
02:46:17.000But when you start looking at haters, here's an example.
02:46:25.000I often find that haters have the weirdest YouTube names or Twitter names, that they've got some sort of.
02:46:34.000There's something very ugly and destructive about their names.
02:46:38.000And what you start to realize is that these people that hate you, they don't hate you because they disagree with you.
02:46:45.000Many of them, I mean, some of them do.
02:46:47.000Some of them think they're just stupid and wrong.
02:50:37.000I'd just like to say thank you so much for all the hard work that you put into your site.
02:50:42.000Initially, when I came up, I was very angry and I wanted nothing to do with the site, right, because of all the brainwashing that goes on at universities.
02:50:54.000But I kind of sadistically went on and off onto the site.
02:51:00.000Okay, well, yeah, I mean, if you've been, if you're a part of the mainstream, if you've been brainwashed and you visit me, you're going to think I'm worse than, you know, Hitler.
02:51:20.000I've been to your site for quite some time and I realized a lot of what you're saying was absolutely untrue to external nature.
02:51:31.000And it really brought a lot of positive change in myself.
02:51:35.000So I'd like to thank you for your sight.
02:51:37.000And I'd like to call as you get used to me and Chief Hall of Fame just in case, because if it weren't for you, I wouldn't have met my partner.
02:51:46.000And we've been together for a great year.
02:53:24.000I actually, I'm investigating the Las Vegas shootings still, and so I'm meeting up with somebody because we're going to go do like a little sting operation if it like comes together and it actually, you know, works out if I don't end up getting arrested for it.
02:53:50.000Any interest in attacking a woman who hasn't attacked me.
02:53:56.000So, unfortunately, a lot of people are going to be angry that I didn't try to gang up on you.
02:54:00.000But I'm really happy that you were able to come on.
02:54:02.000I think you shared a lot of ideas and things that kind of confirmed what a lot of us have been thinking and how, overall, a woman who presents herself, her body at the forefront shouldn't really belong in an intellectual type of dissident.
02:54:21.000So, is there anything else you like to add?
02:56:20.000I think the alt right hates her because she's Jewish and she's not going all the way to the To the right, but to me, she's a woman who's doing work, she's actually doing some work, you know, and her loss, Vegas work is actually good.
02:56:37.000So, well, and quite frankly, she could get away with saying hello, fellow white people, if you want.
02:58:25.000So you call guys like me a bit or a bitters or something, but I think I contribute to a political movement that I like and I think it's useful.
03:00:08.000Okay, so now what I would say to that is I don't care that you give her this, but by doing so, it's probably not going to further the movement as much as furthering her.
03:00:24.000And her ability to continue collecting money.
03:10:28.000Okay, there's just one thing that's been on my mind during the stream that I want to bring out.
03:10:33.000I don't know if anyone mentioned it before.
03:10:35.000I just want to say something in closing.
03:10:40.000You know, I think when it comes to Trader Thoughts and, you know, these women being the kind of Leaders or the movements, you know, there's been a lot of kind of infighting recently, and I kind of get the feeling that it's the women being the leaders constantly bitching, attacking each other all the time that's causing all this infighting.
03:11:02.000You know, some men are fighting over other women, then the women are fighting each other, and it just comes like a whole mess.
03:11:08.000I think that's a big problem that the right wing movement has at the moment with all the infighting.
03:11:13.000That's just something I want to say before, but then Laura Lumo left, so I don't know what you think about that.
03:11:23.000I mean, in a perfect world, the women would not be allowed to have such a soapbox where they can argue and divert attention from any kind of movement into them.
03:11:35.000This is why I think you have to nip the problem in the bud by not giving them attention in the first place.
03:11:41.000But that's kind of, you know, women are now all they have to do is sign up on Twitter, start uploading photos, and it's game over.
03:12:40.000Do you remember when Forney was running that blog, Virginia's Secret Garden, where he was pretending to be a red pill waifu, which may or may not have been partially based on events in my life?
03:12:51.000But he had this whole plan where the red pill waifu was going to leave her husband for some chat in the manosphere and just break the hearts of all of her followers.
03:13:03.000But the blog blew up so hard and so fast.
03:13:07.000That he started feeling guilty for tricking all these people that were sending him emails saying, I wish I could find a woman like you.
03:13:15.000Like the good Lord, the thirst, guys, the thirst.
03:13:21.000Well, I mean, they're missing something in their lives.
03:13:25.000You know, people that are thirst like that, they are missing something in their lives.
03:13:29.000That's why they are thirsty like that.
03:13:32.000What I was saying earlier is the reason that Roosh gets so much hate.
03:13:37.000From both the Tots and from the alt right is because the entire premise of our society is keeping people thirsty, keeping them desperate, keeping them in debt so that they'll line up and be obedient.
03:13:53.000And the Tots do not want alpha males, they don't want strong, competent men.
03:14:03.000And quite frankly, the alt right does not want strong, satisfied, cogent men.
03:14:10.000They want thirsty boys because thirsty boys can be you can rely upon thirsty boys to do whatever the hell you tell them to do, which is why I said in that comment earlier I take five men in the RVF over an entire brigade of the alt right because the men in the RVF and Lord knows that we all have flaws, none of us are perfect, but the men in the RVF are men, they have control over their own lives, they are getting their act together.
03:14:41.000You know, a psychologist once said to me regarding borderlines, because psychology is a big thing that I do in my little corner of the internet.
03:14:49.000And the psychologist said, You don't treat a borderline, you ignore the borderline.
03:14:54.000The same thing goes for the trad tots.