America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - RUSSIA WINS: EU In SHAMBLES Over Russian ENERGY EMBARGO | America First Ep. 1058RUSSIA WINS: EU In SHAMBLES Over Russian ENERGY EMBARGO | America First Ep. 1058

00:00:00.000 America First!

00:01:08.000 Good evening, everybody.

00:01:09.000 You are watching America First.

00:01:11.000 My name is Nicholas J. Fuentes.

00:01:12.000 We have a great show for you tonight.

00:01:14.000 Very excited to be back with you here tonight on Friday.

00:01:19.000 We have a lot to talk about tonight.

00:01:20.000 Lots to get into.

00:01:22.000 Our featured story is about the European energy crisis, which has now been ongoing for a couple of weeks.

00:01:31.000 And a big meeting was held in Europe this week about whether or not to cap the amount of Russian gas that they'll be importing from Russia this winter.

00:01:42.000 And the talks were completely unproductive.

00:01:46.000 There's no way they can cap the gas, there's no way they can limit the imports, and they're all fighting each other.

00:01:53.000 And so the Hungarians and the Polish and the Eastern European countries who are more dependent on the Russian gas are fighting all the Western European countries and they're basically discovering that they don't have any options.

00:02:08.000 In case you haven't been paying attention, Russia has been shutting down most of the natural gas that they export to Europe through their pipelines, which is causing energy prices to soar.

00:02:21.000 And this is causing widespread civil unrest.

00:02:24.000 Massive protests in Prague, people refusing to pay their energy bills in Italy.

00:02:30.000 In the United Kingdom this week, they're passing a law where they're going to cap the price of energy in the United Kingdom.

00:02:38.000 In Germany, a recession is imminent because businesses are terrified they won't be able to afford to run their businesses.

00:02:45.000 They won't have the energy to do it.

00:02:48.000 And this is all, of course, a response and retaliation for Europe's continued support of Ukraine in the Russian-Ukrainian war.

00:02:58.000 And this has always been the check that Russia has held over Europe. 0.78

00:03:04.000 Europe despises Russia, and Europe wants to destroy Russia, but yet Europe is completely dependent on Russia for their energy.

00:03:13.000 And that's not something that they can just change overnight.

00:03:17.000 The natural gas has got to come from somewhere.

00:03:21.000 And it's going to come through the pipelines that have been built, the infrastructure that's been there.

00:03:25.000 They can't just build new pipelines overnight and there's not enough liquefied gas that they can import in the world that exists at the moment.

00:03:35.000 So they've got no leverage.

00:03:36.000 They've got nowhere to go.

00:03:38.000 Russia has exercised its nuclear option.

00:03:40.000 It's threatening to completely cut off Europe from natural gas.

00:03:45.000 And the Europeans have come up with this plan that they say, well, you can't cut off our gas because we're not going to import that much gas.

00:03:53.000 Well, the problem with that is what little they're getting, they need!

00:03:56.000 They can't get it from anywhere else.

00:04:00.000 And it's causing all kinds of havoc, inflation, recession, civil unrest, and there's nothing they can do other than capitulate.

00:04:10.000 So, we'll talk about that.

00:04:11.000 That'll be our first story, actually.

00:04:14.000 And then because it's a casual Friday and there's not really much else going on in the world, I want to talk a little bit about destiny.

00:04:23.000 And so if there's any DGGers out there, the DGGers, the Destiny Gang, they're gonna want to watch this one. 0.54

00:04:30.000 And anybody that's been following the Destiny Fuentes feud, friendship, the loving best friendship, but also rivalry, but also the feud.

00:04:44.000 Uh, there's been a little bit of drama lately over one of Destiny's friends who got flagged down on YouTube.

00:04:51.000 Some have accused me of being responsible for that somehow, even though I never encouraged anybody to flag him.

00:04:58.000 And that's caused a little bit of a row.

00:05:01.000 And so Destiny reviewed my show from last night today on his stream.

00:05:06.000 And I want to review his review of my show tonight on this stream later.

00:05:13.000 So that's gonna be our other story.

00:05:14.000 I'm gonna review that.

00:05:16.000 It's a casual Friday.

00:05:17.000 You know, it's more of a low-key show.

00:05:19.000 Hang on, I think I got a sneeze coming.

00:05:25.000 Alright, okay.

00:05:26.000 We're good.

00:05:28.000 So it's a casual Friday.

00:05:29.000 It's a low-key, chill, relaxed show.

00:05:33.000 So we'll do a little content review, and I want to react to the clip.

00:05:38.000 And in case people... I don't know if I want to get all into it, because I can't really introduce it without explaining the whole thing.

00:05:46.000 And I don't want to explain it twice.

00:05:49.000 But basically his buddy, Mr. Girl, got his channel banned on YouTube.

00:05:54.000 Destiny is blaming that on me and saying that now he's trepidatious to continue talking to me because of that.

00:06:03.000 And I said on my show the other night, I said, well, that just doesn't even make any sense.

00:06:08.000 I said, and that sounds like a convenient excuse to ice what's been going on lately, which is that we've been talking to Sneako and we've been talking to Destiny and other creators

00:06:24.000 I said, you know, me and Destiny were supposed to have a big debate on Tuesday, and he just sort of quietly backed out of that.

00:06:32.000 And he's telling Sneako these things and other people, and it really doesn't even make that much sense.

00:06:37.000 He's saying that, well, his friend got reported by somebody on my site, and we don't even know that that's why the friend got banned, but that's what's being insinuated, and somehow that

00:06:52.000 Implicates me somehow I'm responsible for that and that's why he can't debate me on the JFK assassination I don't know that that any of that adds up, but So we talked a little bit about that on the super chat section last night and destiny responded to that I essentially said that That's a convenient excuse to bow out of the debate

00:07:15.000 Which I think it is.

00:07:17.000 And I think that if you look at the details, his story just doesn't really quite fit with the facts.

00:07:22.000 And we'll go through that and review some material tonight.

00:07:25.000 And I'm going to be honest.

00:07:27.000 I'm just going to tell you where I'm coming from on that.

00:07:32.000 Because...

00:07:35.000 Apparently he was offended that I said that he was being dishonest.

00:07:38.000 I said, you know, look, it's it's a little bit of a dishonest.

00:07:41.000 It seems like a ploy, essentially.

00:07:45.000 And he seemed a little bit offended by that for me to say that he was being dishonest, but we're gonna review some other clips.

00:07:52.000 He's basically been calling me a liar since we began this whole thing.

00:07:55.000 I think it's very rich.

00:07:56.000 You know, I've been reviewing some of the posts on the forum and I've been reviewing some things on Telegram and

00:08:03.000 You know, I said last night, look, he's saying that, but he doesn't really mean it.

00:08:09.000 He's saying that because he's got this ulterior motive, he wanted to get out of the debate, he sees the way things are going and maybe he's not too happy about it, and he retorted and said, well, I'm being honest, you can't say I'm being dishonest.

00:08:24.000 Of course, if anything, you're being dishonest.

00:08:26.000 Well, then I go back, and not only do I not believe that,

00:08:31.000 And I'll tell you why later, based on the clip.

00:08:35.000 But also, I went back and I looked at the Sneeko panel, where it's me, Destiny, Sneeko, Jadeon, and all these other characters, and the guy's calling me a liar throughout the entire debate.

00:08:46.000 So that's pretty rich.

00:08:48.000 I mean, literally throughout the debate, saying that I'm a liar, everything I say is a lie, everything I say is coded language, and so on.

00:08:57.000 So that's fine.

00:08:58.000 You know, that's just what people do, I guess.

00:09:00.000 But I come back and say, yeah, you backed out of the debate and you made up an excuse, and suddenly, oh, you can't call me a liar.

00:09:07.000 You know, I'm engaging in good faith.

00:09:09.000 Okay, well, you know, that's not really fair.

00:09:12.000 So we'll go through all that.

00:09:14.000 Drama, drama, drama content.

00:09:16.000 That'll be our second story.

00:09:19.000 Featured story.

00:09:21.000 So we'll cover that.

00:09:22.000 I'm gonna be honest, I don't feel good.

00:09:24.000 I feel like hay fever.

00:09:26.000 I think it's my allergies coming on.

00:09:29.000 I feel congested.

00:09:30.000 My eyes are puffy. 0.99

00:09:35.000 So I look like shit. 0.99

00:09:36.000 I don't feel 100%. 0.99

00:09:38.000 My hair looks goofy tonight.

00:09:41.000 I'm not feeling so hot, but gonna get through the show anyway.

00:09:45.000 It's these allergies, man.

00:09:47.000 It's just brutal.

00:09:47.000 Now I have this, you know, I have this deviated septum issue.

00:09:52.000 So my allergies are just debilitating now.

00:09:55.000 It's just like I'm not even a human being anymore.

00:09:57.000 I feel like a perpetually sick person because of my allergies.

00:10:01.000 I'm always sniffling.

00:10:02.000 I can't breathe.

00:10:03.000 I can't sleep.

00:10:06.000 So there's that.

00:10:09.000 But I took my allergy medicine.

00:10:10.000 Hopefully, I'll start to feel a little bit better.

00:10:13.000 But anyway, so that's going to be our show.

00:10:15.000 Before we get into that, just a reminder to follow me here on Cozy.

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00:10:33.000 As I said, tonight is a casual Friday show, so it's going to be low-key.

00:10:37.000 It's going to be relaxed.

00:10:39.000 It's been a long week.

00:10:41.000 Big news!

00:10:41.000 You know, a lot of big news this week.

00:10:44.000 But tonight we're taking it easy, because there's really not that much going on.

00:10:47.000 I check the news very slow.

00:10:49.000 So we'll cover this Russian gas story, and then I want to review the Destiny content.

00:10:56.000 And I want to set the record straight, because I think there's just like a lot of stuff in there that just isn't even fair.

00:11:01.000 I will not allow myself to be gaslit.

00:11:03.000 Okay.

00:11:04.000 I've learned this the hard way.

00:11:06.000 It's been a couple years of trial here between January 6th and a lot of these betrayals and things.

00:11:14.000 And you know what I've learned over the years is to trust my gut.

00:11:19.000 Because, you know, a lot of people attack me and they say, you know, that I am narcissistic and I only listen to sycophants who agree with me.

00:11:29.000 Yes-men who tell me what I want to hear.

00:11:32.000 And that I won't listen to criticism, or I won't be open-minded.

00:11:37.000 And if anything, in my experience, it's the opposite.

00:11:42.000 If anything, when there's a contentious issue, I'm too open-minded, I'm too charitable, and too willing to hear out the case that I may be wrong.

00:11:54.000 Because I always think I'm right, and I always have a very high confidence in my logic, in my thought process.

00:12:04.000 And oftentimes, if a lot of people are telling me wrong, I'll go too far in saying, oh, you know, maybe I'm mistaken, maybe I just assumed the wrong thing or something.

00:12:17.000 And what I've learned over the years is I really should have a little bit more trust in my gut and say, you know, when I'm right, I'm right.

00:12:25.000 And that's not to say that I'm not going to, that's not to say I don't listen.

00:12:28.000 It's not to say that I'm not open minded, but it is to say

00:12:34.000 You know, I have a pretty good sense.

00:12:36.000 I have a pretty good intuition about things.

00:12:38.000 And if I'm hearing things and they don't sound right to me, it's probably because they're not right.

00:12:42.000 But I'm going to open it up.

00:12:43.000 I'm going to open it up.

00:12:44.000 We'll review the clips.

00:12:46.000 And I want you to tell me what you think.

00:12:49.000 And, you know, speak freely.

00:12:51.000 We're going to go through.

00:12:52.000 We'll review it.

00:12:53.000 Because the Destiny thing is this very interesting relationship that's been going on.

00:12:58.000 And there's layers to it.

00:13:01.000 There's dimensions to it.

00:13:03.000 You know, he's saying that he wants to fight for my audience, I want to make good content, there's our engagement, there's the way the community responds to it, and so on.

00:13:14.000 So I want your opinion, I want your take, and let me know what you think, because I know some people disagree, and I know a lot of people agree, but we'll go through all of it.

00:13:23.000 So that's going to be, that's where it's going to go.

00:13:26.000 Okay.

00:13:27.000 So our first story tonight, we're going to be, and I'm wearing my Afcraft hooding by the way,

00:13:32.000 In case you don't know what that is, I'm wearing my Half Craft hoodie.

00:13:36.000 That's me.

00:13:38.000 That's Baked Alaska.

00:13:39.000 That's Beardson.

00:13:41.000 That's, uh, that's, we're gonna say that's Bass Brant.

00:13:45.000 We're gonna say that's Dalton.

00:13:48.000 Okay.

00:13:50.000 So we're gonna dive in.

00:13:51.000 Our first story is about this Russian gas crisis, and in case you haven't been following it, it's really been spiraling out of control lately.

00:14:02.000 And there's a lot of background here, so I guess we have to start from the beginning.

00:14:07.000 We have to really start from the beginning.

00:14:11.000 What you need to know about this, what you need to know about the situation here is that the European Union, particularly continental Europe, is almost completely reliant on Russian natural gas for their energy.

00:14:26.000 And this energy politics has defined the Russian West dynamic since the fall of the Soviet Union.

00:14:39.000 Which is to say that when the Western European countries are trying to pressure Russia to behave in a particular way or not behave in a particular way, this is always the impasse.

00:14:52.000 That the European states are dependent on Russia for the energy, a big part of their energy mixture, a big proportion of

00:15:04.000 Of course not.

00:15:11.000 Which is to say that their businesses, their electricity, we don't think about that too much when we think about energy.

00:15:17.000 Usually when we think about petroleum products and we think about gas and energy, we think about gas prices at the pump.

00:15:24.000 We think about gas we put in our car.

00:15:28.000 But Europe is dependent on the natural gas from Russia to run their electrical grid, to run their entire society, to run their manufacturing, to run their businesses, to run their heating in their homes during the winter.

00:15:41.000 And a large proportion, the further east you go, of the energy mixture comes from the natural gas that they get from the pipelines from Russia.

00:15:49.000 So they need Russia because they need Russia's gas.

00:15:53.000 They need Russia's gas to power their economy.

00:15:55.000 And the gas is the lifeline of these countries.

00:15:59.000 Without gas, you don't have electricity.

00:16:01.000 Without electricity, you don't have economy.

00:16:04.000 You don't have society.

00:16:06.000 So they are dependent on Russia in a very meaningful way.

00:16:10.000 It's not like it's not like in America where the effect on the global oil market causes gas prices at the pump to go up or that it causes a general inflation because fuel is more expensive because when fuel becomes, you know, it's a global market for energy so when there is

00:16:33.000 There's less production.

00:16:34.000 When there's less supply on the market, prices go up globally.

00:16:37.000 And so then it costs more for trucks and planes and cars.

00:16:40.000 And then it costs more for the supply chains.

00:16:42.000 And then those costs are passed on to the consumers.

00:16:45.000 And there's a general inflation.

00:16:47.000 When we're talking about Europe, we're saying that they... And this is a very important thing.

00:16:52.000 Because we don't think about it in these terms.

00:16:54.000 We're used to abundance.

00:16:57.000 And we're used to specialization and globalization and trade.

00:17:02.000 And so, when we think about Russia cutting off energy, I think a lot of people are maybe given to the idea that, well, if they can't buy it from Russia, well, they'll just buy it from somebody else.

00:17:14.000 Or, if they can't buy it from Russia, well, it just becomes more expensive, and gas has been expensive before.

00:17:20.000 It's not like that.

00:17:23.000 They can't get energy from anywhere else.

00:17:27.000 To have energy, you need infrastructure to, if you're importing it, to import the energy, to distribute the energy, to refine the energy.

00:17:37.000 There's all kinds of infrastructure, and I'm being a little bit simplistic here, but there's all kinds of infrastructure that needs to be put in place

00:17:46.000 For example, if they get so much of their energy from natural gas that comes from pipelines, and they no longer have access to that, let's say they were going to replace that energy with nuclear energy.

00:17:58.000 Well, you can't go out and just build a nuclear power plant in time for the winter.

00:18:03.000 Because you need the energy to power the boilers and the furnaces.

00:18:08.000 And the boilers and the furnaces need to come on in October or November.

00:18:13.000 They need to come on in the winter.

00:18:15.000 So if Russia shuts off the gas, and you don't have the gas to power the heat in the homes, well the winter is coming in a few months.

00:18:21.000 You can't go and build a nuclear power plant, or a solar farm, or a wind farm,

00:18:28.000 Before winter arrives, when people need it.

00:18:31.000 So it's not, it's not, it doesn't have the same level of elasticity that other markets have.

00:18:38.000 Where, for example, if Saudi Arabia doesn't supply the oil, well, you know, we could tap into our natural reserves.

00:18:45.000 We could, we could frack more oil that we have and can source in America.

00:18:50.000 We just increased production.

00:18:51.000 Or we go to another country and have them to relieve the price stress.

00:18:55.000 They will just simply not have the energy they need.

00:19:00.000 And then again,

00:19:03.000 They'll pay more for the energy but at a certain point they just they just don't have enough.

00:19:07.000 The substitutes even that they have for natural gas they have the gas that comes through the pipelines where again the infrastructure is there and it flows from Russia daily.

00:19:16.000 The alternative to Russian gas is to import liquefied natural gas which is harvested in other places packaged up and shipped over on boats.

00:19:26.000 But there's only so much liquefied natural gas in the world.

00:19:30.000 There's only so much that is produced.

00:19:32.000 We're good to go.

00:19:43.000 When we say that they're dependent on Russian natural gas, we don't mean that in any kind of abstract way.

00:19:49.000 We mean that they need the Russian natural gas to come through those pipelines.

00:19:55.000 And if it doesn't, they just don't have enough energy.

00:19:58.000 And they can't get it easily and in a short amount of time from anywhere else.

00:20:04.000 They can't just pursue alternatives.

00:20:06.000 They can't just buy more from somebody else.

00:20:09.000 They don't have it in Europe.

00:20:11.000 They don't have the natural gas and the oil native in Europe.

00:20:16.000 And we don't typically think about it that way.

00:20:17.000 We think about if something costs more or we have a dependency, we think of, well, we just have to pay more.

00:20:24.000 They just will not have the energy.

00:20:26.000 So it's an absolute reliance.

00:20:28.000 That being said,

00:20:30.000 Russia is dependent on the sale of the natural gas to Europe.

00:20:35.000 So while Europe needs the natural gas to come through the pipes to support their electrical grid, and such a high proportion of their energy mixture comes from the natural gas that is imported through those pipelines, at the same time, Russia is dependent on that relationship because, of course, that energy is expensive.

00:20:57.000 They are the energy merchant to Eastern and Western Europe, and that's very lucrative from Russia.

00:21:03.000 And a large proportion of the Russian state revenue comes from the sale of natural gas.

00:21:10.000 The Russian economy is not very big.

00:21:12.000 Before Russia's invasion of Ukraine, it was the 11th largest in the world.

00:21:17.000 And relative to other European countries or other powerful countries, they don't have a high GDP per capita.

00:21:24.000 They don't really have a lot going on economically.

00:21:28.000 And so, just in a similar way, but different in important ways, in a similar way that Europe is dependent on Russia for their energy, Russia is to some extent dependent on the sale of that energy to support their government.

00:21:44.000 I believe it's higher than 20%.

00:21:47.000 Of all of their revenue comes from the sale of natural gas to Europe.

00:21:52.000 So they are a petrostate or an energy state like Saudi Arabia or Nigeria or Venezuela in that they would not be able to support their government function with just the tax revenue from their economy, from the productive capacities of the people.

00:22:07.000 They rely on the sale of commodities to support their military and their government.

00:22:12.000 They would not be able to pay for their war.

00:22:14.000 They would not be able to pay for their military without the money that the state makes from the sale of the natural gas.

00:22:23.000 And that is the dynamic which has shaped the geopolitics on the continent.

00:22:28.000 For the past 30 years, and even before that.

00:22:30.000 The reason why the European Union and why the continental European countries cannot exert so much influence on Russia is because there's always the nuclear option that Russia could suspend the sale of natural gas for the short term.

00:22:47.000 And in the short term, it definitely hurts Europe more to not have the gas than it hurts Russia to not have the money.

00:22:55.000 If Russia cuts off the gas tomorrow, they don't have energy.

00:22:59.000 They go cold.

00:23:00.000 They go hungry.

00:23:02.000 Their economy experiences inflation.

00:23:05.000 And meanwhile in Russia, they lose a little bit of revenue.

00:23:09.000 And you tell me, in the short term, which is more impactful?

00:23:13.000 Certainly it's more impactful to not have energy than it is to temporarily need to draw more debt.

00:23:18.000 Or not have the kind of income that you had before suffer a 15 or a 20% hit in revenue.

00:23:24.000 And that has been the dynamic which has sort of kept continental Europe in check.

00:23:28.000 That's why France and Germany have never been as hawkish towards Russia as the United States or the United Kingdom.

00:23:34.000 Because France and Germany are really in the same boat as Russia. 0.51

00:23:38.000 If one goes down, they both go down.

00:23:43.000 So that's the background.

00:23:45.000 Of course, when Russia invaded Ukraine earlier this year,

00:23:49.000 The NATO countries and the Allied countries of the United States all imposed unprecedented sanctions on Russia.

00:23:57.000 And Russia threatened to cut off the energy, but not until recently did they begin to ramp that up.

00:24:03.000 All the European countries cut off Russia in ways that are completely unprecedented.

00:24:08.000 All the usual sanctions against the leaders and the oligarchs and individuals within Russia, and banning Russians from traveling, and dismissing the diplomats, and banning most imports from Russia.

00:24:20.000 But they also took it a step further and said that they would ban Russia from the international banking system.

00:24:26.000 Ban Russia from trading their rubles for dollars or euros, which completely impedes on Russia's entire trade with the world.

00:24:35.000 Because you may think, well if Russia can't exchange their rubles for dollars, well they can just conduct trade with China and India regardless.

00:24:45.000 Well all international trade, for the most part, is denominated in dollars.

00:24:52.000 It's the reserve currency of the world.

00:24:54.000 It's the reference currency of the world.

00:24:56.000 And so what that means is that even when Russia and China do business, they do business in dollars.

00:25:01.000 It's the reference currency.

00:25:02.000 So they'll trade their native currencies for a third-party currency, a strong currency, and that's how they're conducting their trade.

00:25:10.000 Russia and China, Russia and India, Russia and other states.

00:25:13.000 And so when NATO and the United States ban Russia from accessing their foreign currency reserves, ban Russia from accessing the dollars that they hold, ban Russia from transacting for dollars, they're not just

00:25:27.000 Interrupting Russia's trade with the United States, which is relatively minimal.

00:25:31.000 They're interrupting all of Russia's international trade.

00:25:34.000 And they're repeating all of Russia's international trade.

00:25:38.000 And they're damaging the Russian currency.

00:25:41.000 Again, not just internationally, but domestically too.

00:25:44.000 So these are the kinds of sanctions that you impose to destroy a country.

00:25:49.000 These are not sanctions that you impose

00:25:52.000 To deter a particular policy by a regime.

00:25:57.000 This is not a sanction that you put in place to punish a regime for something that another country didn't like.

00:26:04.000 These are sanctions, and they made this very clear, that they put in place to cause a revolution.

00:26:10.000 They put these sanctions in place to destroy the Russian economy, and by destroying the Russian economy incite a revolution, incite widespread civil unrest, or a coup d'etat in the palace, in the Kremlin, where if the people didn't overthrow the Russian government because of

00:26:28.000 So the sanctions were imposed to cause Putin to suffer the same fate as Saddam Hussein or Gaddafi, for Russia to suffer the same fate as Syria or Libya or Egypt.

00:26:36.000 That was the intention.

00:26:59.000 And so Russia retaliated in kind and has been gradually escalating by using their nuclear option which is to shut off the natural gas.

00:27:07.000 And it's been starting slowly.

00:27:10.000 First he shut off the export of natural gas to Eastern European countries.

00:27:16.000 Some of it.

00:27:17.000 And then to countries like Germany.

00:27:19.000 Some of it.

00:27:20.000 And now almost all of it.

00:27:22.000 And now there's a threat that Russia will completely shut off the natural gas to Europe before the winter.

00:27:29.000 Winter's coming in a couple months.

00:27:31.000 And already, because of the global economic impact of the sanctions, Europe has already been experiencing record inflation.

00:27:41.000 We've been experiencing 9% inflation.

00:27:44.000 The Eurozone has been experiencing 9% inflation.

00:27:48.000 We've been experiencing high gas prices for our cars and for fuel for planes and trains and automobiles.

00:27:57.000 But Europe has been experiencing high, not just high gas prices at the pump for their cars, but high energy prices across the board.

00:28:04.000 And a general inflation across the board.

00:28:07.000 In addition to food shortages, because Russia's not just a supplier of energy, but also of fertilizer and of key agricultural products.

00:28:17.000 And with this threat to completely shut off natural gas to Europe before the winter, it's threatening an all-out collapse.

00:28:24.000 Because these economies in Western Europe and America have been bleeding throughout the entire year.

00:28:29.000 High inflation, high deficit, supply chain issues, these economic issues which are still haunting us from COVID.

00:28:38.000 In addition to shortages, food scarcity and food inflation and now before the winter it's going to get even worse because there'll be a total energy shortage and a huge spike in energy prices which will cause inflation to go even higher and deficits to go even higher and civil rest is already starting.

00:28:57.000 So this is the article from Zero Hedge about

00:29:00.000 The meeting that was had today, the European leaders were getting together to discuss their plan of action.

00:29:09.000 And the idea that they floated was to cap their purchases of Russian gas.

00:29:14.000 And if they say that they can cap the purchases of Russian gas, then I don't even understand what the goal is.

00:29:24.000 I guess by capping the purchase of Russian gas, they're sort of saying, well, you can't cut off our gas because we're going to stop buying it.

00:29:34.000 But it has the same effect.

00:29:36.000 By capping the amount of gas that's purchased, well, you're necessarily going to have to ration the gas because there's only going to be so much gas.

00:29:44.000 If you don't import all the gas that you need, well, people are going to have to use less energy.

00:29:50.000 And isn't that... I mean that's what would happen if they shut off the supply of gas.

00:29:57.000 But apparently they're trying to preempt that.

00:30:01.000 And it sounds like a bluff.

00:30:02.000 And it doesn't even make any sense.

00:30:04.000 And they know that.

00:30:05.000 And this was the meeting.

00:30:06.000 This is from Zero Hedge.

00:30:08.000 It says, quote, An emergency meeting of EU energy ministers on Friday meant to reassure both energy companies and the European public regarding soaring prices and severely strained supply amid Russian countermeasures in response to Western sanctions is off to a shaky start.

00:30:24.000 Rather than reassure anyone of anything, it's already clear the issue of a proposed cap on gas prices has only divided the bloc further, akin to the same prior question with oil.

00:30:35.000 Leading the way in pointing out the flawed logic of the plan, Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto pointed out the blowback would be worse than the sting aimed at Russia.

00:30:47.000 He said, quote, if price restrictions were to be imposed exclusively on Russian gas, that would evidently lead to an immediate cutoff in Russian gas supplies.

00:30:56.000 It does not take a Nobel Prize to recognize that.

00:30:59.000 Echoing prior words of Hungarian leader Viktor Orban, he said, quote, the plan would impose a price cap exclusively on Russian gas coming via pipelines is entirely against European and Hungarian interests.

00:31:12.000 Josef Cichola, the Czech energy minister chairing the meeting, went into it echoing a Marshall tone with talk of engaging in energy war, which is unlikely to match any corresponding action.

00:31:25.000 He said, quote, We are in an energy war with Russia.

00:31:29.000 Putin is trying, by manipulating the market, to break the social peace in our countries, affect our way of life, and attack our economy.

00:31:37.000 He said ministers were hoping to send a clear message that will calm down the markets by the end of the day.

00:31:42.000 This, as over the course of the six-month Ukraine war, Russian gas supplies to the collective EU have been cut by 80% amid ominous reminders that winter is coming.

00:31:53.000 And yet, with Italy, Poland, Hungary, and Greece standing out as among the most vocal opponents of such a cap, among at least 10 EU countries who have voiced their reservations,

00:32:05.000 This source, FT, notes that some governments are warning that singling out Russia could push Vladimir Putin to cut supplies to Europe completely.

00:32:15.000 One senior EU official cited anonymously summed up the ongoing dilemma as follows.

00:32:21.000 Quote, everyone is afraid of the domino effect if Russia cuts off supply because European states are so interconnected.

00:32:28.000 If you cut off Russian gas only, you infuriate Russia without affecting other suppliers.

00:32:34.000 And if you are, say, Portugal, who imports no Russian gas, what can you take back to voters?

00:32:39.000 For this reason, the meeting is not expected to delve too deep or dwell too long on the divisive price cap plan, even though Belgium is among those claiming that just technical issues would have to be worked out, but that a cap is achievable.

00:32:53.000 Hungary's Sijarto said it best upon entering the meeting, quote, this morning, we will do our utmost to make Brussels finally understand that gas supplies are not an ideological or political issue, but one of hardcore physical reality.

00:33:08.000 And this is the thing that has been the most relevant point from the beginning.

00:33:14.000 The reason that the sanctions were doomed to fail from the beginning of the war, and why it was apparent that they were not working throughout the war, and I've said this, is because Russia is a maker of things.

00:33:27.000 Russia is a terrestrial power.

00:33:31.000 And that means that Russia is a land-based power, not a sea-based power.

00:33:38.000 And that means that Russia projects power and Russia derives its power, as all countries do, from its economy.

00:33:48.000 From the productive powers of its economy.

00:33:51.000 And we've talked a little bit about this before.

00:33:53.000 People think that power comes from the military.

00:33:56.000 And that is technically true.

00:33:59.000 In the sense that the country with the biggest military is the country that can kill the most people and fight the most logistically sophisticated and ambitious wars, and that gives them the most power over other countries because they can force countries, theoretically, to do what they want.

00:34:16.000 If push came to shove, they could send the aircraft carriers and the battleships and the bombers and the troops

00:34:23.000 To go into the city and kill the government and then take over and make the people there do what they want.

00:34:29.000 That's where power comes from.

00:34:32.000 But, that is somewhat tertiary.

00:34:36.000 Because the military is a direct result of the productive capacity of the economy.

00:34:43.000 Where does the military come from?

00:34:45.000 Well, in order to create and maintain a military, you need great industry.

00:34:52.000 You need a huge industry.

00:34:55.000 Think about an aircraft carrier.

00:34:57.000 Where do aircraft carriers come from?

00:34:59.000 You don't just, you can't buy them.

00:35:00.000 Where do you buy them from?

00:35:01.000 Aliens?

00:35:02.000 You buy them from the moon?

00:35:03.000 You find them from the bottom of the ocean?

00:35:05.000 You have to make them.

00:35:06.000 How do you make them?

00:35:07.000 Well you need engineers to design them.

00:35:09.000 How do you get engineers?

00:35:10.000 You need really great schools to train engineers.

00:35:14.000 And you need engineers with experience.

00:35:16.000 That's called human capital. 0.63

00:35:18.000 So to create, to even invent

00:35:21.000 Cutting-edge military technology and to design them you need human capital.

00:35:26.000 Human capital comes from a robust civil society.

00:35:30.000 It comes from a society that can properly find its most intelligent people, sort them, train them under apprenticeships, give them experience, and then put them to work.

00:35:41.000 Now that's something that's difficult for a society to do, to marshal human beings as a resource and train them just for your engineers, just for openers.

00:35:50.000 Then what do you need?

00:35:51.000 Who's going to build a giant aircraft carrier? 0.98

00:35:55.000 Consumers don't buy aircraft carriers.

00:35:58.000 So you need a government that can pay for one.

00:36:01.000 You need a government that can marshal the resources to build factories that are dedicated to making them.

00:36:06.000 Making the parts, putting the parts together, storing it, housing it, and so on.

00:36:15.000 This is just to give you an idea, to begin to imagine where the force projection comes from.

00:36:20.000 To field an aircraft carrier, a navy, a bomber.

00:36:25.000 To recruit troops, to recruit an army, to marshal the resources to pay for and maintain these things, to divert resources from the economy through taxes, and to raise such a large tax pool that you can pay Lockheed Martin and Raytheon and defense contractors and employees $800 billion a year to maintain this giant army, this giant arsenal.

00:36:49.000 It derives from the productive capacities of the economy.

00:36:51.000 Well, where do the productive capacities come from?

00:36:54.000 Where does America get the wealth to do all these things?

00:36:58.000 Well, when you consider it, America has a lot of wealth in its land.

00:37:03.000 It has a lot of wealth from its population, and America is wealthy in resources.

00:37:08.000 It's an oil producer.

00:37:09.000 It's a coal and natural gas producer.

00:37:13.000 But so much of where America derives its wealth is in trade.

00:37:18.000 We have a $500 billion trade deficit with China, meaning that China exports $500 billion worth of goods and services more to the United States than we export to them.

00:37:33.000 And America has an absolute trade deficit with the world.

00:37:37.000 We import more than we export.

00:37:40.000 And so in terms of our material wealth of things, it comes from trade.

00:37:47.000 It comes from the sea.

00:37:49.000 If we didn't have China manufacturing, if we didn't have the raw materials that China harvested, we could not make the things that we make here.

00:38:00.000 We couldn't make cars with computers in them because we wouldn't have the semiconductors.

00:38:07.000 We couldn't make the semiconductors because we don't have the rare minerals in the American continent to make them.

00:38:15.000 When you look at the critical raw materials that we need for things like computers and semiconductors and artificial intelligence and all the advanced industries, a large percentage of global production of like 25 or 30 of them comes from China.

00:38:33.000 So think about it.

00:38:35.000 If we didn't have the sea-based trade with China, we wouldn't have things.

00:38:41.000 We wouldn't have the raw materials to make the things, and we wouldn't have the parts.

00:38:48.000 In other words, you can't make a plane start to finish in America because we don't make the steel anymore, and we don't make the semiconductors, and we don't make so many of the things.

00:39:08.000 So our wealth comes from trade and the same is true with Europe.

00:39:12.000 You could say that Europe and America are sea-based powers and particularly the United Kingdom and America are sea-based power because their wealth comes from trade.

00:39:23.000 We're dependent on trade and there's a reciprocal relationship.

00:39:27.000 We control trade because we have a large navy.

00:39:31.000 We have a large navy because of our trade.

00:39:34.000 Russia is a land-based power.

00:39:37.000 Russia does not have year-round ports.

00:39:41.000 Think about the United States.

00:39:42.000 We've got an entire coast.

00:39:44.000 We've got a coast that stretches from Washington to Southern California with the Pacific Ocean.

00:39:51.000 And we've got a coast that stretches from Maine in the north.

00:39:55.000 Really on the west coast it's Alaska all the way to like Hawaii actually.

00:40:01.000 In the East Coast, you've got Maine all the way down through Puerto Rico and the Caribbean.

00:40:07.000 So America has ports.

00:40:09.000 That's why the biggest cities in America, New York City, Los Angeles, Seattle, Miami, these are all great port cities.

00:40:18.000 We've got access to the sea.

00:40:20.000 We control the sea.

00:40:21.000 We can field navies in both the oceans.

00:40:24.000 And we have the Panama Canal that connects them.

00:40:28.000 Russia does not have any access to the sea at all.

00:40:32.000 Where does Russia come up against any ocean anywhere?

00:40:38.000 On its west coast, Russia is completely blocked off by the European continent.

00:40:45.000 They've got access to the Atlantic Ocean through the Arctic Ocean, which they don't have year-round access to and which is not the same as a year-round port, say, in North Carolina.

00:40:57.000 And they also have a port in St.

00:40:59.000 Petersburg.

00:41:00.000 But in order for any ship to go from St.

00:41:03.000 Petersburg to the Atlantic Ocean, they gotta go through

00:41:07.000 They've got to go through Denmark and Sweden.

00:41:09.000 They've got to go through the North Sea.

00:41:10.000 They do not have direct access to the ocean.

00:41:11.000 In the South, they've got to go from the Black Sea to the Aegean Sea to the Eastern Mediterranean. 0.50

00:41:28.000 In the East.

00:41:29.000 They, again, do not have a year-round port in the East of Russia.

00:41:34.000 The East of Russia is connected to the Pacific Ocean by Siberia, where the ports freeze there.

00:41:42.000 So they don't, so suffice to say, they don't derive their power from sea-based trade, or even land-based trade.

00:41:52.000 They derive their power from the resources that they have on the land.

00:41:57.000 They don't need to import things because and they can't even if they wanted to because they don't have control over They don't they don't have access to the ocean much less control over the ocean and access to other countries by sea and shipping routes Because if they were dependent on shipping routes guess what they could just be embargoed in like two seconds So their wealth derives from their the fact that they control such a large proportion of Earth's landmass they control everything from

00:42:29.000 From the west of Russia, everything from their border with Ukraine, all the way to Vladivostok in the east.

00:42:37.000 So they've got immense raw material wealth.

00:42:40.000 They've got wealth in natural gas, in titanium, in copper, in nickel, in oil.

00:42:49.000 They've got in agriculture, they've got fertile lands.

00:42:53.000 And so they've got really everything that they need and then the way that they derive their wealth is by using what they need and then selling the excess to other countries.

00:43:04.000 This is why.

00:43:05.000 It's that fundamental dynamic why the sanctions were doomed from the beginning.

00:43:09.000 Here's why.

00:43:11.000 Europe can put sanctions on Russia and say, we're going to cut you off from international trade.

00:43:16.000 But Russia is not dependent on international trade.

00:43:21.000 We are.

00:43:23.000 That's why that doesn't work.

00:43:25.000 Russia is not dependent for the things that they need in their economy.

00:43:30.000 They're not dependent on international trade for food.

00:43:33.000 They're not dependent on international trade for energy.

00:43:37.000 They're not dependent on international trade for raw materials.

00:43:43.000 So without international trade, will they not have the same amount of abundance?

00:43:48.000 Certainly.

00:43:48.000 They're going to lose out.

00:43:49.000 Their GDP necessarily will suffer.

00:43:54.000 You know, if you can't sell your profits, if you can't sell the excess grain or the excess natural gas or the excess oil and then buy more things from other countries, naturally you're going to have less things, of course.

00:44:11.000 But they have the essentials.

00:44:13.000 They're not going to run out of energy.

00:44:14.000 They have all the energy they need.

00:44:16.000 They're not going to run out of food.

00:44:17.000 They have all the food they need.

00:44:19.000 They're not going to run out of water.

00:44:21.000 Food, energy, water,

00:44:24.000 They've got all the essentials.

00:44:26.000 Will they be materially worse off without trade?

00:44:30.000 Of course!

00:44:31.000 Because they're not going to have a market without access to Europe and without access to the United States and some of America's allies.

00:44:37.000 They're not going to be able to sell it and get money to buy other things naturally.

00:44:43.000 But they're going to be okay.

00:44:46.000 Europe and the United States, on the other hand, are completely dependent on international trade.

00:44:51.000 And they're dependent on international trade not just for selling things, but for importing the essentials.

00:44:58.000 Europe does not have enough energy.

00:45:01.000 Without trade, Europe does not have the energy it needs to power its cities.

00:45:06.000 Without international trade, Europe does not have the food that it needs to feed its people.

00:45:12.000 Without international trade, Europe does not have any of the raw materials that it needs to support high-level industry.

00:45:22.000 Where are they going to get things like cobalt?

00:45:28.000 Where are they going to get things like nickel?

00:45:29.000 Where are they going to get lithium?

00:45:31.000 Where are they going to get all of the things that they need

00:45:36.000 We're good to go.

00:45:58.000 Of course Europe is always going to lose, for the simple fact that Europe doesn't have energy and food, and Russia does. 0.92

00:46:07.000 Russia doesn't really need, it wants, it's beneficial to have international trade, but it's not essential for Russia.

00:46:15.000 Whereas Europe, it is essential to have that international trade.

00:46:18.000 It's not just that they're going to have materially less, it means they're not going to have enough natural gas.

00:46:25.000 to heat their homes in the winter.

00:46:26.000 They're not going to have enough natural gas to heat their water to take a hot shower.

00:46:32.000 They're not going to have enough energy to fill up their cars with gas.

00:46:37.000 They're not going to have enough fertilizer.

00:46:39.000 They're not going to have enough food to feed their people.

00:46:41.000 And right when the war started, people were going in Europe to supermarkets and they just didn't have the food they needed.

00:46:48.000 Not that it cost more, they just didn't have it because they couldn't get it.

00:46:53.000 And this is why I was doomed from the beginning.

00:46:55.000 So, I don't know what the thought process was.

00:46:58.000 People are being told in America, we're going to sanction Russia.

00:47:01.000 You don't stand a chance.

00:47:02.000 You can't make a move against the United States.

00:47:05.000 Why not?

00:47:06.000 Yeah, they can.

00:47:07.000 Russia can absorb a 10% hit to their GDP from losing international trade with the West.

00:47:14.000 And they haven't lost it from everybody.

00:47:16.000 China trades with Russia.

00:47:18.000 India trades with Russia.

00:47:19.000 Africa trades with Russia.

00:47:20.000 The Middle East trades with Russia. 0.85

00:47:23.000 When you take a look at who sanctioned Russia as a very small number of countries, all things considered, that was never going to work.

00:47:33.000 And not only was it not going to destroy Russia, they could have always absorbed the hit to their revenue because natural gas is a hot commodity.

00:47:42.000 If Europe doesn't buy it, somebody else will.

00:47:44.000 And the price will be driven up.

00:47:47.000 And not only would it not be detrimental, but also Europe needs the natural resources.

00:47:54.000 That was always going to affect Europe more than Russia. 0.93

00:47:57.000 Not only was it not going to hurt Russia, it was always going to be detrimental to the European Union in particular, but also poses a large risk to the United Kingdom and the United States.

00:48:10.000 So that's the current dynamic here.

00:48:12.000 I don't know what the play is when they say, well, we're just going to cap our energy spend with Russia.

00:48:19.000 Okay.

00:48:20.000 Well, and the prices are going to go up.

00:48:22.000 You're going to have to ration the gas.

00:48:24.000 And it's like the Hungarian minister said, this isn't about ideology.

00:48:29.000 This isn't about ideas.

00:48:30.000 It's about reality.

00:48:32.000 We need gas.

00:48:33.000 They've got it.

00:48:35.000 It comes through their pipelines.

00:48:37.000 If it doesn't, we can't get it from anywhere else.

00:48:41.000 In a couple months, it's going to get cold.

00:48:43.000 We need gas to heat our homes.

00:48:45.000 There's not going to be enough of it.

00:48:46.000 So some people are going to be warm, and some people are going to be cold.

00:48:51.000 And people don't like to be cold.

00:48:53.000 And when they get cold, they're going to get pissed off. 1.00

00:48:55.000 And when they get pissed off, they're going to get in the streets and say, hey, what the fuck? 0.99

00:48:59.000 There's all this energy sitting in the pipelines. 0.99

00:49:01.000 Let's buy it.

00:49:04.000 This just gets back to the fundamental insanity and the delusion of the NATO complex, the State Department, the European Union.

00:49:19.000 They refuse to negotiate with reality.

00:49:24.000 In their mind, it's still the 1990s and there's just no engagement

00:49:31.000 With the fact that we do not have as much power as we think we do.

00:49:35.000 We can't force every country to do what we want forever.

00:49:41.000 And I said that at the beginning.

00:49:43.000 I said it was the hubris.

00:49:45.000 This refusal to look for an off-ramp.

00:49:47.000 This refusal to accept Russia as a world power. 0.86

00:49:50.000 Refusal to accept that Ukraine is their neighborhood. 1.00

00:49:53.000 Refusal to accept that it was always unacceptable for Ukraine to be a NATO state and that Russia would do something about it.

00:50:01.000 And that we weren't willing to go to war with them to stop it.

00:50:03.000 So then they would do it.

00:50:05.000 And that we couldn't destroy their economy.

00:50:08.000 You know, it's this absolute, abject refusal to engage with the hard reality of the changing world.

00:50:16.000 Russia is a legitimate state.

00:50:19.000 Putin is a legitimate leader of the state.

00:50:21.000 He's not a kleptocrat.

00:50:23.000 He's not a gangster.

00:50:25.000 He's the sovereign of Russia.

00:50:28.000 So deal with it.

00:50:29.000 He's the sovereign of one of the biggest economies, and the biggest countries, and the biggest militaries in the world.

00:50:36.000 And you can't abrogate that fact.

00:50:39.000 You can't ignore that fact.

00:50:41.000 You can say all this rhetoric about, oh, he's a gangster.

00:50:46.000 Oh, well, he's the president of Russia.

00:50:48.000 And Russia's a big, powerful, important country, and you gotta do business with them.

00:50:53.000 You can't put your fingers in your ear and say, you know, they're a gangster.

00:50:56.000 They can't do what they want.

00:50:58.000 Democracy will win.

00:51:02.000 They're going to cut off your gas and then you're going to get cold.

00:51:05.000 And, you know, you can say whatever you want, but that's just what's going to happen.

00:51:09.000 And it's already happening.

00:51:11.000 It's already record high energy prices in the United Kingdom, Germany, Italy, East Europe, and as it says, even the countries that do not get their natural gas from Russia, like Portugal, who's on the far end,

00:51:25.000 They're gonna feel the effects as well.

00:51:28.000 Because they're in a common currency union.

00:51:30.000 They're in an economic union with the other states.

00:51:32.000 What affects half the member states will affect all the member states.

00:51:38.000 So, anyway, so that's the situation with Russia. 0.83

00:51:42.000 Completely ill-fated and ridiculous from the beginning. 0.65

00:51:45.000 What's the counter? 0.92

00:51:46.000 I don't understand what the counter argument is.

00:51:49.000 I remember over the summer, they were confidently saying, well, we just signed a deal where we're going to get more liquefied natural gas from America.

00:51:58.000 And I did my show and I said, who are you kidding?

00:52:01.000 Like, who are you trying to convince?

00:52:04.000 Everybody knows that you're not going to be able to get enough

00:52:08.000 LNG to substitute for the Russian gas.

00:52:12.000 It's not like that's a secret.

00:52:16.000 The Europeans know that.

00:52:17.000 The Russians know that.

00:52:18.000 The Americans know that.

00:52:19.000 We know that.

00:52:20.000 But they come out in the summer, before this inevitable crisis metastasized, they came out in the summer smugly and they're like, oh Russia's gonna cut off their gas?

00:52:30.000 Well,

00:52:32.000 Well, sorry to rain on your parade, but we just inked a deal where we're going to replace a tenth of what you're sending with LNG.

00:52:40.000 And it's like, okay, where are you going to get the rest?

00:52:45.000 The rest doesn't exist.

00:52:46.000 You can't get enough to substitute completely.

00:52:49.000 And we all know that.

00:52:51.000 So who are you trying to kid?

00:52:53.000 Are you trying to trick the people?

00:52:55.000 Are you trying to trick Russia?

00:52:56.000 You think Russia doesn't know? 0.86

00:52:58.000 You think Putin doesn't know that? 1.00

00:53:01.000 When they come out there and say things that are just obviously stupid, and I'm waiting for the counter-argument like where's the argument that Ukraine can win the war? 0.99

00:53:10.000 Where's the argument that the sanctions are not going to backfire? 1.00

00:53:13.000 Where are we going to get the fertilizer? 0.98

00:53:15.000 Where are we going to get the gas?

00:53:16.000 Where are we going to get the increased oil production?

00:53:19.000 OPEC's not budging.

00:53:21.000 We're not getting it from Russia.

00:53:25.000 So where's it gonna come from?

00:53:26.000 They're gonna fold their arms and say, well, we just came up with a deal.

00:53:30.000 To what?

00:53:30.000 Change reality?

00:53:32.000 You came up with a deal to what?

00:53:34.000 Invent more oil?

00:53:35.000 Because that's just what democracies do?

00:53:37.000 Like... And that's when you realize these people are just, like, delusional.

00:53:43.000 They think that if they just say it enough, if they just fold their arms and smugly say, well, hey, the democracies got together.

00:53:50.000 No, they didn't!

00:53:51.000 Which countries sanctioned Russia?

00:53:54.000 Not even most of the countries.

00:53:57.000 I don't think any of them in Africa did. 1.00

00:54:00.000 China and India didn't.

00:54:03.000 The Middle East didn't. 0.95

00:54:05.000 So who sanctioned Russia?

00:54:07.000 America, NATO, Australia, Japan.

00:54:15.000 That's it.

00:54:16.000 The whole world didn't bind together.

00:54:19.000 It sounds like America's allies.

00:54:24.000 But if the world's allies got together and stood up to Russia and we forced them to back down, how are you going to do that?

00:54:31.000 We need their oil.

00:54:32.000 We need their fertilizer. 1.00

00:54:34.000 We need their natural gas.

00:54:35.000 We don't have a broad coalition.

00:54:38.000 It's in their backyard.

00:54:40.000 It's the second most powerful military in the world fighting some third world dump. 1.00

00:54:50.000 And that's what the Ukraine war is, is all of this rhetoric crashing against the rocks on the shore of reality.

00:54:58.000 That's what it is.

00:55:01.000 All the bluster, all this paper tiger rhetoric, and this delusion about how much of the world is really on board with American hegemony.

00:55:14.000 Crashing on the shore of reality as Russia invades Ukraine with impunity. 0.63

00:55:19.000 They're doing fine.

00:55:20.000 Yeah, their economy is going to shrink 10%.

00:55:24.000 But they're willing to pay that price for their sovereignty.

00:55:26.000 What do you do to a country that's willing to just forego international trade with the G7 countries?

00:55:33.000 What can you do?

00:55:34.000 Nothing!

00:55:35.000 You can do nothing!

00:55:36.000 If you're not willing to go to war, and they're willing to eat a 10% contraction, and lose trade, and lose the dollar, what can you do?

00:55:45.000 Nothing.

00:55:46.000 And that's always what we could have done.

00:55:48.000 Did we have to go this far to learn that?

00:55:51.000 Did we have to go and experience

00:55:54.000 Inflation, recession, did we have to kill hundreds of thousands of people in Ukraine?

00:56:00.000 Did we have to go all this way to learn what was apparent from the beginning?

00:56:05.000 That we can't force them to do what we want them to do, so we just have to accept it and negotiate and live with it.

00:56:17.000 Who benefits?

00:56:18.000 Who benefits from all this?

00:56:21.000 We're spending, and some say, well we know we're not going to win, but we're just making it costly for Russia. 0.74

00:56:26.000 We're making it costly for us too!

00:56:29.000 We're emptying out our military arsenal into Ukraine such that we can't replace what we've sent Ukraine, we won't have what we've sent Ukraine if we get in a war. 0.63

00:56:44.000 We're emptying out our arsenal.

00:56:46.000 We're emptying out our treasury.

00:56:48.000 It's approaching $100 billion in aid to Ukraine in 7 months.

00:56:57.000 And the aid has been going on for 8 years, but in just 6 months, 6-7 months, closing in on $80-100 billion in aid.

00:57:06.000 And not just the money, we're emptying out the things that we built that cannot be easily replaced.

00:57:12.000 Can we replace the ammunition we sent Ukraine?

00:57:15.000 We can't make more of it.

00:57:16.000 Nope.

00:57:18.000 Can we replace the missiles?

00:57:22.000 We can't.

00:57:23.000 If we ever get in a large-scale war, we're going to have to create the industries to replace these things because we just can't make them on that scale.

00:57:31.000 The stuff that we've sent to Ukraine, it's going to take us years to replenish our stockpile of those things.

00:57:39.000 And not to mention the inflation, the gas prices, not to mention the across-the-board inflation, and particularly in Europe.

00:57:48.000 You know, people say, well, we're just sending military equipment over there to just make it costly for Russia.

00:57:52.000 We want to make the war expensive for them.

00:57:55.000 We want to make them lose military equipment, lose lives, lose revenue.

00:58:00.000 We're losing too.

00:58:02.000 And arguably if they're losing a little bit more, we're losing a little bit more, it's a Pyrrhic victory if they're losing slightly more.

00:58:10.000 And to add all that, Pyrrhic victory or not, they're paying the price for sovereignty.

00:58:18.000 What are we paying the price for?

00:58:21.000 They're gonna lose substantially, we're gonna lose substantially.

00:58:25.000 Even if they lose slightly more, we still lose a lot.

00:58:29.000 So even if we win, it's Pyrrhic.

00:58:32.000 And Ukraine will not be a NATO state.

00:58:35.000 Ukraine will not be independent or part of the European Union.

00:58:38.000 It's going to be dismembered.

00:58:41.000 So we lose politically, but I guess the victory is that we'll have made it more costly for them, at a tremendous cost to us.

00:58:48.000 And then finally,

00:58:51.000 There's also the consideration that we both paid a high cost and Russia ultimately got the win.

00:58:58.000 But Russia paid the cost to be a sovereign nation.

00:59:03.000 They paid a tremendous cost, maybe more than us.

00:59:06.000 But they paid the cost to be free.

00:59:09.000 They paid the cost to be free of Western domination and to assert themselves and be a great power, which is worthwhile.

00:59:17.000 It's worth the cost.

00:59:19.000 We paid a tremendous cost, and for what?

00:59:22.000 To not have Ukraine be a NATO member state?

00:59:25.000 To be embarrassed?

00:59:28.000 And even if we did win, to do what?

00:59:32.000 We had such a high cost to our real economy, to our real people, to our real military, and for what?

00:59:41.000 To bully Russia so that we could dictate to Russia what happens in their borderlands?

00:59:49.000 And this is what's going on.

00:59:51.000 This is the insanity.

00:59:54.000 This is why we need a new government.

00:59:56.000 Because this stuff just doesn't even make any sense.

00:59:59.000 So that's that.

01:00:00.000 Alright.

01:00:02.000 We're gonna move on though.

01:00:02.000 I want to get on into this Destiny thing.

01:00:04.000 I don't want to ramble all night about Ukraine, but you see how it's layers.

01:00:09.000 It's like an onion.

01:00:10.000 You just keep peeling back the layers and it's like, what are we doing here?

01:00:14.000 What are we doing?

01:00:17.000 Every aspect of this, it just doesn't make any sense.

01:00:20.000 Even the arguments when people say, well, what they're really doing is making it make sense.

01:00:25.000 It just still doesn't make any sense.

01:00:29.000 Okay, but let's move on.

01:00:30.000 I want to get on into the Destiny clip here.

01:00:41.000 Give me one second.

01:00:42.000 Let me pull this up for you.

01:00:47.000 And we'll shift gears a little bit it's kind of tricky to shift gears because I'm all into the I'm on my mind is all Russia right now, but let's switch gears a little bit and let me pull this up This is we're gonna watch a little clip from the destiny stream, and I'll introduce it in a sec Let me just make sure I have my tech all set up here Okay

01:01:15.000 So let me switch over here.

01:01:17.000 Why is this like this?

01:01:29.000 Why is it black on the top like that?

01:01:31.000 Give me a second.

01:01:31.000 I'm just going to do this.

01:01:36.000 There we go.

01:01:37.000 Okay.

01:01:37.000 Let's get rid of that.

01:01:41.000 So we're gonna review this clip from destiny stream And I want you to let me know what you think about it The other day I got a super chat on my show where So it's gonna be me reacting to destiny reacting to my show from last night Last night on my show.

01:02:03.000 Well, I guess we got to start from the beginning.

01:02:05.000 I

01:02:07.000 Me and Destiny have had this thing going on where we're debating each other, we're hanging out, we're talking to each other.

01:02:12.000 It's very interesting and all that.

01:02:18.000 And recently he's had this friend of his named Mr. Girl, who's this like Jewish nutcase. 1.00

01:02:24.000 Mr. Girl's been coming on Destiny Stream. 0.97

01:02:26.000 He's a friend of Stephen's.

01:02:29.000 Mr. Girl comes on the Destiny Stream and says, 0.93

01:02:33.000 You are being irresponsible platforming Nick Fuentes.

01:02:37.000 You should not be hanging out with him. 0.99

01:02:39.000 He is a Nazi. 1.00

01:02:40.000 He wants to kill people. 1.00

01:02:41.000 He wants to kill my family. 1.00

01:02:42.000 You have no business being friendly with him. 0.99

01:02:45.000 Every conversation you need to be talking about what an evil person he is and interrogating him about it.

01:02:53.000 And Destiny's been arguing, well Nick's not a Nazi and I'm not going to shout him down.

01:03:01.000 You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

01:03:03.000 You know, basically, I'm gonna bring over his audience and persuade more people by being hospitable and empathetic than if I'm being weirdly hung up on calling him a Nazi or something.

01:03:15.000 So, Steven has been arguing.

01:03:18.000 And so, a couple days after that stream, Mr. Girl's YouTube channel got taken down.

01:03:26.000 And and I I said, oh lol, you know your channel got banned owned And I'll even show you the tweet. 0.68

01:03:34.000 I want to pull it up here If I even can because Twitter is so bullshit on if you don't have an account Let's see That's it That's not it The mr. Girl returns, okay 0.89

01:03:54.000 So this is what started it all off.

01:03:59.000 Mr. Girl Max, Destiny's friend, tweets out, Dear YouTube, After publicly criticizing the Nazi Nick Fuentes this past week, my channel has been mass flagged as sexual content, and one day I received three strikes for videos that are 1-3 years old.

01:04:15.000 You've rejected my appeal.

01:04:16.000 Please reinstate me.

01:04:17.000 Do not let them win.

01:04:18.000 Max.

01:04:19.000 Now that's the first tweet.

01:04:21.000 And he says, he doesn't even have any evidence for this.

01:04:25.000 He says, well I publicly criticized Nick, then my channel got mass flagged.

01:04:31.000 I got strikes because my channel was mass flagged.

01:04:35.000 I appealed, you rejected my appeal.

01:04:38.000 Now, this is what we get for openers, which by the way, there is no foundation for any of this.

01:04:46.000 Which means, where's the connection between you criticize me and then your channel... Do we know that your channel got mass flagged?

01:04:57.000 How do we know that's true?

01:04:58.000 How do we know that your channel got mass flagged to begin with?

01:05:03.000 Where's the evidence that it did get mass flagged?

01:05:07.000 That's one.

01:05:08.000 Two, where's the connection between, oh he publicly criticized me, and then because of that he got mass flagged?

01:05:14.000 It's not here.

01:05:15.000 There's no evidence of that.

01:05:18.000 Then he says, well, I received a bunch of strikes then for three-year-old videos.

01:05:23.000 And he appeals.

01:05:24.000 So he sends an appeal and says, hey, I got mass flagged.

01:05:26.000 Can you reinstate me?

01:05:27.000 They say no.

01:05:29.000 Somehow that's all my fault.

01:05:32.000 Now, why do I say he has no evidence?

01:05:34.000 Because other things came forward later.

01:05:38.000 But he's basically saying, I talked bad about Nick Fuentes, then I got banned and you rejected my appeal.

01:05:44.000 Well, that's because I got mass flagged and they lied about me.

01:05:48.000 It's like, well, we don't know that.

01:05:50.000 Maybe, maybe a mass flagging occurred.

01:05:52.000 Okay, maybe.

01:05:53.000 How do we know that that was 100% because of you talking about me?

01:05:58.000 How do we know that?

01:06:00.000 We know that Big Tech flagged his channel.

01:06:02.000 How do we know that Big Tech flagging his channel got it banned?

01:06:06.000 We don't know that.

01:06:08.000 And if that was the case, why would his channel not be reinstated after the appeal?

01:06:14.000 What would the appeal being rejected have to do with any of that?

01:06:18.000 That doesn't make any sense.

01:06:20.000 Even if you were to assume that his channel got taken down because of a mass flagging campaign by a person on my website,

01:06:30.000 Well then why did your appeal not work?

01:06:32.000 Why did your appeal not get your... If it was just a... If it was a mistake, if it... It sounds like you broke the TOS.

01:06:38.000 It sounds like you broke the TOS, and maybe because your channel was flagged by Big Tech, or maybe because it was flagged by other people, maybe because it was flagged before you did this, maybe after it, your channel got banned because you broke the TOS.

01:06:53.000 And then you tried to appeal it and YouTube reaffirmed it wasn't a mistake.

01:06:57.000 It didn't get mass reported and taken down for a bad reason.

01:07:00.000 It got taken down because we checked and you broke the TOS.

01:07:05.000 Now he doesn't even bring up the big tech stream.

01:07:08.000 He says this is the evidence.

01:07:10.000 The evidence that my channel got banned because I talked about Nick, and then Nick's people mass flagged me, and then it got banned because of that mass flagging, and then the appeal got rejected because of that mass flagging.

01:07:22.000 Here's the evidence for all that.

01:07:25.000 A Telegram screenshot where I said, ratio this freak in the replies.

01:07:30.000 Not that picture, this picture.

01:07:32.000 There you go.

01:07:35.000 How is that evidence?

01:07:36.000 What's the foundation for what he said there?

01:07:40.000 And I'll explain the relevance of all this in a moment.

01:07:44.000 But this is what you need to understand.

01:07:47.000 Max goes on the Destiny stream and says, You can't talk to Nick Fuentes the way you've been talking to him.

01:07:53.000 You're too friendly. 0.69

01:07:54.000 He's evil. 1.00

01:07:55.000 He wants to kill people. 1.00

01:07:56.000 He wants to kill my family. 1.00

01:07:57.000 He's gonna be the next Hitler. 1.00

01:07:59.000 He has to be stopped at any cost!

01:08:01.000 Then he gets banned on YouTube and says, oh, that was Nick's fault.

01:08:05.000 I got mass flagged.

01:08:06.000 It wasn't fair.

01:08:08.000 I talked about Nick.

01:08:09.000 Then I got flagged.

01:08:10.000 The two are related.

01:08:11.000 Well, I appealed and it got rejected, but, you know, what's the explanation for that?

01:08:16.000 What's the evidence that the two are related?

01:08:19.000 Well, that I told him to ratio this tweet.

01:08:23.000 The evidence that I got his channel banned is that I told people to post a picture in reply to his tweet after he had gotten banned.

01:08:33.000 So make that one make sense.

01:08:35.000 You got banned, you blame it on me, you tweet about how you got banned because of me, and you say the evidence that I got you banned is that I replied to your tweet saying that I got you banned.

01:08:49.000 How does that make any sense?

01:08:51.000 That just doesn't work.

01:08:53.000 Evidence that I got you banned in this thread is that I replied to you being banned.

01:09:00.000 Okay.

01:09:02.000 So, in response to this, Destiny goes on a stream and pulls up Big Tech.

01:09:09.000 Big Tech is a streamer on this website.

01:09:11.000 And Big Tech did tell his audience to flag Mr. Girl, not Destiny.

01:09:18.000 Big Tech told his fans to flag Mr. Girl.

01:09:22.000 And so Destiny amplifies this threat and says, yeah, it's Nick's fault.

01:09:28.000 And Destiny goes on a stream and says, Nick isn't really so free speech after all because the Groipers are flagging people.

01:09:36.000 Now, I'm the leader of the Groipers, not Big Tech.

01:09:40.000 This is a platform that doesn't have just Groipers on it. 1.00

01:09:43.000 It has all kinds of people that have various levels of engagement with the Groipers. 0.97

01:09:49.000 I wouldn't say that Big Tech is one that's very close.

01:09:51.000 Big Tech has feuded with a lot of the Groipers. 1.00

01:09:55.000 Almost all of them, in fact.

01:09:58.000 And we also have people on here that aren't even Groipers. 1.00

01:10:02.000 But Destiny's been going around saying, you know, I can't engage with Nick anymore because his Groipers are flagging my friends.

01:10:15.000 He said, and he said, I'm engaging in good faith with Nick, but there have to be some rules.

01:10:19.000 If I'm engaging with Nick, and the Gripers are flagging people I know, well that makes me not want to engage.

01:10:30.000 Conveniently, he says this the same week that we're supposed to have a debate.

01:10:35.000 about the JFK assassination.

01:10:37.000 Conveniently, he says this the week that Sneko says he's gonna get on cozy.

01:10:42.000 And he makes sure to tell Sneko about this.

01:10:44.000 He makes sure to tell Sneko that, oh, Mr. Gruyper's flagged Mr. Girl.

01:10:49.000 So, conveniently, he's saying, well, I can't talk with Nick because someone on Nick's site flagged my friend.

01:11:01.000 And now, I understand in principle where he's coming from.

01:11:04.000 I understand what he's saying.

01:11:06.000 That if one side is flagging down the other side, that that ceases to be a friendly engagement or something like that.

01:11:17.000 I understand where he's coming from.

01:11:19.000 I understand in principle what he's saying.

01:11:20.000 I get it.

01:11:22.000 But in light of what's been going on, I said on my show, and this is the clip that he reacted to, and we're gonna react to his reaction,

01:11:31.000 What I said is I think that's a convenient excuse.

01:11:37.000 I think that Destiny sees the writing on the wall, which is that his fans like me, Sneeko likes me, Sneeko's gonna get on Cozy, Sneeko's gonna bring a huge audience to Cozy.

01:11:48.000 And Destiny is still an activist who has told me to my face, I want you to not succeed.

01:11:54.000 Your movement is completely opposed to my project, and I want to convert your followers into my followers, and I want your movement to fail.

01:12:04.000 And because of Sneeko getting deplatformed, he's gonna jump on my site.

01:12:10.000 And because of these debates with Destiny, people are gonna visit my site.

01:12:14.000 It's gonna help me.

01:12:16.000 Now, again, I understand in principle what he's saying, but he's going to come on the show, he's going to come on his stream and say, well, the reason I can't follow through with this debate, and the reason that I'm going to take a step back now, is because someone on Nick's site flagged my friend.

01:12:35.000 I just think that's weak.

01:12:37.000 It'd be one thing if I said Flag Destiny.

01:12:40.000 I would totally agree.

01:12:41.000 I would say you're right.

01:12:42.000 If I got on my show and said, Groyper's Flag Destiny, totally. 0.94

01:12:46.000 If I got on my show and said, Groyper's Flag Mr. Girl, I would also agree. 1.00

01:12:49.000 I would also agree if Big Tech said, Groyper's Flag Destiny.

01:12:56.000 But it's indirect in both ways.

01:12:59.000 And I wasn't a fan of it.

01:13:01.000 I don't support what Big Tech did.

01:13:03.000 And I said that.

01:13:04.000 I said that before.

01:13:06.000 I said that after.

01:13:06.000 I said that to his face on Destiny's Stream.

01:13:10.000 I said, I don't support that.

01:13:11.000 I said, you've been good faith.

01:13:13.000 I want to reciprocate the respect you've shown.

01:13:18.000 But it's a little bit spurious to me.

01:13:20.000 It's hard for me to believe that because

01:13:24.000 Someone who's peripherally associated on my website flagged somebody who is associated with Destiny that me and Destiny can't have a good faith discussion?

01:13:34.000 Something that someone else did to someone else prevents the two principles from engaging?

01:13:39.000 I said, you know, I get where he's coming from, but it just doesn't seem to me like a strong argument.

01:13:45.000 So I said, I think that he's being bad faith. 0.75

01:13:47.000 I said, I think that that's a convenient excuse to tell Sneko, hey, maybe these guys reported you.

01:13:53.000 They reported Mr. Girl.

01:13:54.000 Maybe they reported you, which we didn't.

01:13:58.000 We're good to go.

01:14:20.000 I didn't say all that.

01:14:20.000 I said, hey, are we still on?

01:14:22.000 I don't want to read DMs, but I think I said three or four times, are we still on for tomorrow?

01:14:27.000 Are we still on for tomorrow?

01:14:28.000 Are we still on for tomorrow?

01:14:29.000 And he just didn't reply.

01:14:31.000 And then when I got on a stream, which he didn't invite me on to, when Big Tech flagged Mr. Girl, Destiny brought Mr. Girl on and Beardson on, but didn't invite me.

01:14:40.000 And then I texted him, and he ignored me while they were on the stream.

01:14:44.000 And then only after I texted Beardson, who was on with Destiny, and said, hey, get me on, and Beardson said, hey, Nick wants on, did Destiny say, oh, okay?

01:14:52.000 And then he texted me, oh, text Britney to get on the call.

01:14:57.000 So then I had to go and get Britney to get me on the call, and then he said, hey, Destiny, are we still on for tomorrow?

01:15:01.000 And he goes, oh, I don't know, maybe, I'm not sure.

01:15:05.000 He had no intention of doing that debate.

01:15:07.000 He didn't say, no, I'm not doing the debate.

01:15:09.000 He said, oh, I don't know.

01:15:12.000 And so all I said yesterday was, look, I'm not buying it.

01:15:17.000 I just said, look, I'm not buying it.

01:15:18.000 Based on those behaviors, what it seems to me is like it's an excuse.

01:15:23.000 It seems to me like

01:15:26.000 Destiny doesn't want to help me too much.

01:15:30.000 He wants to help himself by engaging with me, but not help me more than he's helping himself.

01:15:36.000 And I think he sees that maybe I'm helping myself too much and says, well, let's put some ice on it.

01:15:41.000 Oh, I know.

01:15:43.000 I'm gonna blow something out of proportion and kind of be a little bit sneaky about something and then quietly bow out of this and try and ice this thing.

01:15:51.000 That's what it seemed like to me.

01:15:53.000 That's just my, that's my opinion.

01:15:55.000 Now we're gonna review all the evidence, and you tell me if you agree.

01:16:00.000 You tell me if you agree with my assessment, or if you think that Destiny's telling the truth, because conversely, maybe Destiny's being totally forthright, and he's saying, no, I just really am so concerned about Big Tech, who was reprimanded, flagging someone else, that now I can't talk to you.

01:16:25.000 And if he's being honest about that, you're gonna be the judge, okay?

01:16:28.000 So this was, this set the stage.

01:16:31.000 And also, Destiny, so we're gonna review... I talk about this, and I also talk about another subject that I thought Destiny was not being 100% honest on.

01:16:40.000 And we'll review this, and you tell me what you think, okay?

01:16:42.000 But this is Destiny.

01:16:44.000 This is me, reacting to Destiny, reacting to my show from last night.

01:16:49.000 And this is important.

01:16:51.000 And you gotta let me know what you think, okay?

01:16:55.000 See them.

01:16:57.000 If you respond to a clip that is, or to like a don't know message, it's probably mis- Rewind a little bit.

01:17:06.000 Thing.

01:17:06.000 You can just say anything!

01:17:08.000 Chris, I'm saying that in that video.

01:17:10.000 You guys- I remember.

01:17:12.000 Is that when you see them.

01:17:14.000 If you respond to a clip- Alright, here we go.

01:17:16.000 Pretty underscore fly underscore white underscore guy sent $3.89.

01:17:21.000 How does Destiny say things like, IQ is heritable but not genetic?

01:17:25.000 Because he knows that it is, but he doesn't want to.

01:17:28.000 Okay.

01:17:30.000 I'm continuing to point things out when you see them.

01:17:34.000 If you respond to a clip that is, or to like a don't know message, probably misrepresenting something I've said, it shows that you are scared to have the conversation, or you are scared to earnestly engage with the idea, okay?

01:17:47.000 How does Destiny say things like, IQ is heritable, but not genetic?

01:17:51.000 This sentence barely even makes sense on its own.

01:17:54.000 It's a more complicated conversation than that.

01:17:56.000 And also, I would never say something is heritable, but not genetic.

01:17:59.000 Also, the idea that anything is heritable or not

01:18:01.000 Hang on, hang on.

01:18:02.000 Now time out, time out.

01:18:04.000 So let's consider what he said.

01:18:08.000 The Super Chat says, how does Destiny say things like IQ is heritable but not genetic?

01:18:17.000 Which he did say.

01:18:18.000 And let's pull up the tape.

01:18:20.000 Okay, let's pull up the transcript.

01:18:23.000 This was Destiny's interview on No Jumper.

01:18:27.000 This is the transcript of that stream which is what this super chat is referring to.

01:18:33.000 We're going to read the transcript and play the clip.

01:18:37.000 He's asked about IQ and genetics.

01:18:42.000 Okay, so let's let's play the clip.

01:18:44.000 To somebody who believes in race realism, like on a show like this, they'd probably say like, oh, well, it just means that like, you know, different people have like different cultures and you know, like, yeah, you know, like Asian people look different than black people, whatever.

01:18:55.000 But typically, what it really means is, there are very ingrained parts of our brains that are like genetically determined.

01:19:04.000 Hang on, hang on!

01:19:31.000 Question.

01:19:32.000 Are there IQ differences between the races?

01:19:35.000 That's the question.

01:19:37.000 Let's go to the letter of it because I know we like to talk fast, talk fast, talk fast, talk fast, answer questions that aren't asked.

01:19:46.000 Let's go to the transcript.

01:19:50.000 He says... Do you buy into that?

01:19:58.000 This is what the transcript says.

01:20:01.000 Adam22 says, do you buy into that?

01:20:04.000 Like, are there like IQ differences between races?

01:20:09.000 Does this check out?

01:20:11.000 That's, pause, that's the question.

01:20:15.000 Okay?

01:20:16.000 This is at the 1 hour 41 second mark.

01:20:22.000 Question, do you buy into that?

01:20:25.000 Are there IQ differences between the races?

01:20:29.000 Are there IQ differences between the races?

01:20:32.000 Do the different races have different IQ? 0.99

01:20:36.000 Okay, just so we understand.

01:20:38.000 He says there's two answers.

01:20:40.000 There's a politically correct answer which is... Hang on.

01:21:02.000 Question!

01:21:03.000 Question!

01:21:06.000 Are there IQ differences between the races?

01:21:09.000 Answer!

01:21:12.000 There's two answers.

01:21:14.000 There's politically correct answer, mostly left answer, is that, like, cultural differences can account for a lot of stuff.

01:21:22.000 Science is complicated.

01:21:26.000 Are there IQ differences between the races?

01:21:29.000 Culture accounts for a lot of things.

01:21:31.000 Science is complicated.

01:21:32.000 Does that answer the question?

01:21:33.000 It's a simple question.

01:21:37.000 Not, where do differences come from?

01:21:39.000 Are there differences?

01:21:40.000 If I say, you know, is this apple a different color than this orange?

01:21:46.000 Is there a color differences between these fruits?

01:21:49.000 And you said, well, culture accounts for a lot of things.

01:21:53.000 That doesn't answer the question.

01:21:54.000 Is this orange and is this apple red?

01:21:57.000 Well, you know, culture accounts for many things.

01:22:00.000 Okay, there's the apple red and the orange orange.

01:22:05.000 And then, so he doesn't answer the question.

01:22:09.000 And then he says the thing that he said he didn't say.

01:22:14.000 This is the super chat.

01:22:15.000 How does Destiny say things like IQ is heritable but not genetic?

01:22:20.000 What did he say in the transcript?

01:22:22.000 We'll play it again.

01:22:23.000 Okay.

01:22:41.000 Even stuff, presumably like IQ, that has a very high amount of genetic inheritance might have a very low heritability.

01:22:55.000 What?

01:22:58.000 He said, even stuff that has a very... I'm reading the transcript.

01:23:02.000 This is what you said.

01:23:03.000 This is the black and white what you said.

01:23:07.000 The science is so complicated, even stuff that has a very, very high amount of genetic inheritance might have a very low heritability.

01:23:16.000 What did the Super Chats say?

01:23:18.000 How does Destiny say things like IQ is heritable, but not genetic?

01:23:24.000 It has a high amount of genetic inheritance, but a low heritability.

01:23:29.000 Is that not what he said?

01:23:31.000 You tell me.

01:23:34.000 Let's go on.

01:23:35.000 So then he brings in this example and says,

01:24:05.000 If you don't water a plant, it won't grow.

01:24:07.000 Yeah, and if you don't feed a person, they won't grow up. 0.79

01:24:11.000 But are black people going to become white because of their environment? 0.79

01:24:16.000 Are Asian people going to not have slanty eyes because of their environment? 1.00

01:24:21.000 Are they going to not have fine black hair because of their environment?

01:24:24.000 No!

01:24:26.000 These kinds of phenotypic characteristics, we're talking about two different things.

01:24:32.000 A plant won't grow because it's not watered shows that environment is, of course, environment is a factor on certain things.

01:24:41.000 But that has no bearing on what we're talking about, which doesn't even, and by the way, doesn't even answer the question.

01:24:47.000 Are there race IQ differences?

01:24:49.000 Well, environment accounts for the race IQ differences. 0.57

01:24:52.000 Okay, so are there or are there not?

01:24:54.000 He goes on.

01:25:20.000 This is where it just gets like, this guy, this guy is respected as a debate bro?

01:25:27.000 This guy is respected because of his cutting precision?

01:25:31.000 His cutting precision and argument?

01:25:32.000 I mean, I just want to rip apart the argument first, then we'll get into the other thing.

01:25:38.000 So the question is, are there race differences in IQ?

01:25:41.000 He says, well, there's a lot of answers.

01:25:43.000 Well, science is complicated.

01:25:45.000 Well, environment accounts for things.

01:25:49.000 Which, by the way, none of that answers the question.

01:25:51.000 None of it is in dispute.

01:25:53.000 Nobody says that science isn't complicated.

01:25:56.000 Nobody says that environment doesn't have an impact on things.

01:25:59.000 On lots of things.

01:26:01.000 But then look at the weasel words here.

01:26:03.000 Look at the... And I'm not calling him a weasel.

01:26:04.000 I'm saying they're weasel words.

01:26:07.000 He says... Let's see.

01:26:13.000 So he says, uh, the science is really complicated.

01:26:18.000 Environment accounts for a lot of things.

01:26:20.000 Plants don't grow if they're not watered.

01:26:23.000 Things that may be very heritable might also have a low heritability.

01:26:28.000 Then he says, um, he says, well, we've identified 200 genes related to intelligence.

01:26:37.000 The real answer is there might be some differences in some ways.

01:26:44.000 Reading the transcript here.

01:26:47.000 So, science is complicated.

01:26:50.000 Environment accounts for things.

01:26:53.000 If you don't water a plant, it doesn't grow.

01:26:56.000 When it comes to intelligence, there are 200 genes related to intelligence.

01:27:00.000 Quote, the real answer, the real answer, so the first answer is politically correct, is environment accounts for things.

01:27:08.000 But the real answer is there might be some differences in some ways between groups of people.

01:27:16.000 There might be some differences in some things that are genetic.

01:27:22.000 Might be some differences in some ways.

01:27:25.000 Might be some differences in some ways.

01:27:29.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:27:30.000 No shit. 0.97

01:27:32.000 How about there are differences in things? 1.00

01:27:37.000 For example, black people are black because of genetics. 1.00

01:27:41.000 They are. 0.87

01:27:43.000 Black people are black and white people are white because of genetics. 1.00

01:27:47.000 There's probably not one gene that makes them black, but it's a genetic trait. 0.71

01:27:52.000 It is a trait that is inherited through the genes.

01:27:55.000 That is why black people are black and white people are white. 1.00

01:27:58.000 That's why black people's skulls are identifiable as African. 0.98

01:28:05.000 That's why black people have a different stature than white people physically. 0.98

01:28:10.000 That's why they have a different texture of their hair and a different color of their iris.

01:28:15.000 There might be some differences between people.

01:28:20.000 No, there are differences between people.

01:28:23.000 There might be some differences between some people.

01:28:26.000 Maybe.

01:28:26.000 Or maybe not.

01:28:27.000 There may be no differences between anybody.

01:28:31.000 Is that what you're saying?

01:28:31.000 If you say there might be some differences between some people, you're saying there might be.

01:28:35.000 You're saying that means there also might not be.

01:28:37.000 There might not be any differences between anybody.

01:28:40.000 Really?

01:28:42.000 There might not be any differences between anybody.

01:28:45.000 No, there's obviously some differences between some people.

01:28:48.000 So it's not might, it ain't, it's not might.

01:28:51.000 There are some differences between some people.

01:28:54.000 So that's a weasel word.

01:28:55.000 There not might be, there are some differences between some people.

01:29:00.000 Now, as to what those are, that's the basis of the question.

01:29:04.000 Is IQ one of them?

01:29:07.000 Well, there might be some differences.

01:29:08.000 Are there race and IQ differences?

01:29:12.000 Well, the real answer is that maybe people are different.

01:29:17.000 In some ways.

01:29:18.000 Okay.

01:29:20.000 He says, but of all these, you'd call them like intelligence is a polygenetic trait.

01:29:26.000 Big word, meaning multiple genes.

01:29:28.000 There's a ton of different genes that play into it.

01:29:31.000 I don't think anybody's done enough research yet to be comfortable enough to be like, oh yeah, I can definitely say this whole group of people and these groups of people are different because of, you know, their genes or whatever.

01:29:46.000 It's just way too complicated an issue.

01:29:52.000 So what, so...

01:29:54.000 Here's the question.

01:29:55.000 Here's the pitch.

01:29:57.000 Here's your easy to answer question.

01:30:00.000 Are there racial differences in IQ?

01:30:03.000 The answer is, by the way, the answer is yes.

01:30:07.000 The debate is not that these are measured.

01:30:11.000 Because you give IQ tests to people.

01:30:13.000 You can look at the SAT scores.

01:30:15.000 You can look at the IQ scores.

01:30:18.000 IQ tests have been administered.

01:30:20.000 SAT tests have been administered.

01:30:24.000 We can estimate people's IQs.

01:30:27.000 There is no debate about whether or not disparities between groups have been measured.

01:30:35.000 That is a fact.

01:30:36.000 The debate is about why you get those disparities.

01:30:39.000 Nobody's arguing that there are not differences.

01:30:42.000 Nobody can show me a study where black people got a higher IQ than white people, or that white and black people got the same IQ score.

01:30:52.000 That's not out there.

01:30:54.000 All of the IQ data shows that it breaks down Asians, Whites, Hispanics, Blacks.

01:31:01.000 That's the way the SAT scores break down.

01:31:03.000 It just so happens that's the way income and wealth breaks down.

01:31:06.000 That's the way criminality breaks down.

01:31:08.000 And it's also how IQ tests always break down.

01:31:12.000 You could say very confidently that yes, there are IQ differences between the races. 0.95

01:31:18.000 That's the question.

01:31:20.000 His answer is, as we just read,

01:31:25.000 Do different races have different IQs?

01:31:28.000 It's complicated.

01:31:30.000 He says it's complicated, but there's two answers.

01:31:34.000 The politically correct answer is that the reason the races have different IQs is because of environmental factors.

01:31:44.000 Because if you don't water a plant, it won't grow.

01:31:47.000 The real answer is that there are so many genes that account for IQ

01:31:52.000 That nobody really knows.

01:31:55.000 Nobody can say which gene is responsible for, definitely responsible for the IQ differences between people.

01:32:05.000 That's the real answer.

01:32:08.000 Are there IQ differences between the races?

01:32:10.000 The real answer is that IQ is heritable by many different genes and no one can definitively say which one the gene is.

01:32:22.000 So I don't know.

01:32:22.000 It's just too complicated.

01:32:26.000 That's bullshit. 1.00

01:32:28.000 Sorry, I'm calling bullshit. 1.00

01:32:31.000 You didn't answer the question. 0.96

01:32:32.000 You answered a different question.

01:32:34.000 If he had said, why are there IQ differences between the races?

01:32:37.000 Okay, but that's not what he asked.

01:32:39.000 And then even within the answer, even within the answer to the question that was not asked, there's these weasel words.

01:32:44.000 There might be some differences between some people.

01:32:47.000 Oh really?

01:32:48.000 But then he says, I don't think anybody's done enough research to be comfortable to say, I can definitely say this whole group and these groups of people are different because of their genes.

01:33:04.000 There might be some differences between some people, but nobody's done enough research to comfortably say they're definitely different for this reason.

01:33:18.000 So you just don't know anything.

01:33:20.000 Well, it's complicated, and maybe there are differences between people, maybe there aren't.

01:33:26.000 The real answer is that genes account for IQ, but we don't know which one, and nobody's really done the research to say that genes account for IQ at all.

01:33:35.000 I don't know.

01:33:36.000 Now it gets better.

01:33:36.000 Watch this.

01:33:37.000 You're like, oh yeah, I can definitely say this whole group of people and these groups of people are different because of, you know, their genes or whatever.

01:33:44.000 It's just, it's way too complicated an issue.

01:33:46.000 Interesting.

01:33:47.000 But, okay, but like, what's your best guess, though?

01:33:51.000 I really don't know, man.

01:33:52.000 Man, come with us.

01:33:53.000 You know, man.

01:33:53.000 Come on, man.

01:33:54.000 Come with us.

01:33:55.000 You know, man.

01:33:55.000 I know that you want to say that, so... What's your best guess?

01:33:58.000 What's your best guess?

01:33:59.000 I don't know.

01:34:00.000 I have no idea!

01:34:03.000 Really?

01:34:04.000 You don't have any idea?

01:34:07.000 Well, the reason that there are these huge racial disparities, it's because, well the politically correct thing is because of the environment.

01:34:14.000 The real answer is that there's a lot of genes.

01:34:18.000 And we don't know.

01:34:18.000 It's just so complicated.

01:34:20.000 Nobody's done the research.

01:34:23.000 Oh, well take a guess.

01:34:24.000 I don't know.

01:34:24.000 You just don't know anything.

01:34:28.000 And here's the thing.

01:34:29.000 Necessarily, then, you don't know that it's not genes.

01:34:31.000 If you don't know, you don't know that it is, you don't know that it isn't.

01:34:34.000 So you don't really know.

01:34:36.000 You don't really know the source of human inequality.

01:34:38.000 Human inequality is one of the most pressing issues of our time.

01:34:41.000 If you're an individualist liberal who believes in mass immigration and multiracialism,

01:34:48.000 And you believe that the, you know, it's implicit in your beliefs that people are different because of, you know, blank slate.

01:34:57.000 Their environment determines their outcomes.

01:35:00.000 But then you go and say, well, I don't know.

01:35:02.000 I don't know about genes.

01:35:04.000 I don't know.

01:35:04.000 I don't I don't even seen the research.

01:35:06.000 I don't know.

01:35:07.000 You don't know how much of it is genes.

01:35:08.000 You don't know how much of it isn't genes.

01:35:10.000 You say that it's heritable, but also it's not.

01:35:13.000 You say that there's hundreds of genes that determine IQ.

01:35:16.000 And really, it's just so complicated that nobody knows, I guess, which one it is or which combination it is.

01:35:21.000 Because plants don't grow if they're watered.

01:35:25.000 And here's the thing.

01:35:27.000 My worldview is very straightforward.

01:35:30.000 There are disparities.

01:35:32.000 Where do you get them?

01:35:33.000 Differences in people.

01:35:35.000 So what?

01:35:36.000 We've got to consider those differences when we make big decisions.

01:35:40.000 When we're trying to correct inequality, you know, manage our multiracial society with these disparities, we've got to know from where they come.

01:35:48.000 His position is, you know, I'm a liberal, we're all equal, we're all individuals, we have a big country with people because, you know... But I just don't know where these differences come from.

01:36:00.000 I don't know if they're environmental.

01:36:01.000 I don't know if they're from genetics.

01:36:02.000 I don't know why people are different.

01:36:05.000 That's a problem.

01:36:06.000 That's bad.

01:36:10.000 And once again, the evasion of the question, are there race and IQ differences?

01:36:16.000 Uh, well, it's just complicated.

01:36:18.000 Uh, there's just hundreds of, uh, genetics and flowers and, um... I'll take a guess.

01:36:24.000 I don't know.

01:36:24.000 It's just so complicated.

01:36:26.000 I lean towards... Why do you want to say that when you're in this alleged hierarchy?

01:36:30.000 No, no, because he thinks, because he thinks that I'm thinking, like, there's probably a difference, but I don't want to say it.

01:36:34.000 Okay.

01:36:35.000 So here's, like, my one thing that makes me think sometimes.

01:36:37.000 Two things, okay?

01:36:39.000 Um... Check this out.

01:36:39.000 Fuck, I wish I remembered the names.

01:36:40.000 Check this out. 1.00

01:36:41.000 Check this out. 0.80

01:36:43.000 He says the black guy thinks that I secretly think it's IQ but I just won't say it.

01:36:50.000 So here's his counter to that.

01:36:52.000 Here's his counter to what we're saying, which is you know it's IQ but you won't say it.

01:36:57.000 Um, Guy, Guy believes, I think that everybody in life can do anything.

01:37:01.000 I don't believe in genes at all.

01:37:02.000 Well, he believes in genes.

01:37:03.000 He's like, anybody can be trained to do anything.

01:37:05.000 And him and his wife have these two daughters. 0.99

01:37:07.000 He's like, they're going to be fucking chess grandmasters. 0.99

01:37:09.000 And he trains these two daughters up. 0.99

01:37:10.000 And I'm pretty sure the older sister is the only one that's ever been like competitive with male grandmasters.

01:37:14.000 She was like in the top hundred, like only woman chess player. 0.99

01:37:17.000 And the younger sister is also very, very, very good chess player.

01:37:19.000 Um, and it was just because the parents had that belief. 0.98

01:37:21.000 I was like, damn, that's pretty good. 0.96

01:37:22.000 Now, maybe they got lucky and they had good genes. 0.99

01:37:24.000 That's one thing that kind of makes me think.

01:37:26.000 Second,

01:37:30.000 Okay?

01:37:31.000 This is your guy.

01:37:33.000 This is your guy.

01:37:34.000 This is your debate bro.

01:37:35.000 This is your rationalist.

01:37:37.000 This is your source bro.

01:37:38.000 Okay?

01:37:41.000 This is how this conversation is going.

01:37:46.000 How much of difference is determined by genetics?

01:37:51.000 I don't know.

01:37:51.000 Take a guess.

01:37:52.000 I don't know.

01:37:53.000 But here's what I'll say.

01:37:55.000 One time, there was a guy that trained his daughters to play chess.

01:37:59.000 And they became chess grandmasters.

01:38:01.000 So that makes me think.

01:38:02.000 Okay?

01:38:05.000 Here's the other thing.

01:38:06.000 Get this.

01:38:06.000 When you look at men and women, there's obviously a difference between men and women.

01:38:10.000 I believe there's a difference between men and women.

01:38:11.000 That's clear to see, right?

01:38:12.000 Yeah.

01:38:13.000 Um, so my background is music.

01:38:16.000 If you look at rock bands, okay?

01:38:18.000 How many good women guitar players are there? 1.00

01:38:21.000 Comparatively few.

01:38:22.000 Like, less than 1%.

01:38:23.000 And really in all of, like, music in general.

01:38:27.000 Pretty much popular music, right?

01:38:29.000 Almost.

01:38:29.000 But you were almost true, but completely wrong.

01:38:32.000 But I'll explain.

01:38:33.000 So this is so interesting. 0.98

01:38:34.000 If you look at, like, guitar plays and shit, yeah.

01:38:36.000 Now, when I look at that, and I look at what I know about men and women, men tend to have faster response times, probably a little bit more athletic coordination, etc., etc. 0.96

01:38:43.000 It makes sense that, like, maybe a woman wouldn't be able to play guitar like a man could, because she just doesn't have the, you know, women versus men. 1.00

01:38:50.000 But if you walk over into, like, the classical world, well now, when I look at, like, who all of these amazing violin players are, piano players, some of these women are fucking unbelievably quick. 1.00

01:39:00.000 Amazing. 0.94

01:39:00.000 Interesting. 0.94

01:39:01.000 And then I look at that, and I'm like, okay, that's a crazy divide in gender to where there's, like, good rock female guitar players, there's, like, two. 1.00

01:39:10.000 I probably don't know.

01:39:11.000 There's probably more than that, but it's very, very, very rare.

01:39:13.000 But when I step into the classical world, we can Google right now, like, amazing woman pianist. 0.98

01:39:18.000 Okay.

01:39:20.000 This is what your worldview is built on.

01:39:23.000 This is what your egalitarian, genetics-denialist worldview is built on.

01:39:30.000 Your race-denialist worldview.

01:39:32.000 This is the argument!

01:39:36.000 Look at how it crumbles!

01:39:38.000 Look at how it crumbles without even any interrogation!

01:39:42.000 Point Blank! 0.95

01:39:43.000 Are there race IQ differences?

01:39:45.000 Well, it's just so complicated.

01:39:47.000 If you don't water a flower, it's not going to grow.

01:39:50.000 There's 200 genes that account for IQ.

01:39:54.000 And really, I don't think anyone can say maybe there's differences between people, maybe not.

01:39:58.000 But no one can definitively say that there are differences.

01:40:01.000 Well, take a guess.

01:40:02.000 Take a guess.

01:40:03.000 Is it?

01:40:04.000 I don't know.

01:40:04.000 Too complicated.

01:40:06.000 Well, come on, take a guess.

01:40:07.000 Well, here's what I'll say.

01:40:10.000 One time, there was a chess player that trained his daughters to play chess.

01:40:15.000 And then, also... And think about what he says here.

01:40:19.000 He didn't say, I did a study about guitar players, or I did a study about... He said, well, you know, I don't think there are very many female rock guitarists, but, like, I've heard some really good women violin players. 1.00

01:40:42.000 And that's just really interesting.

01:40:43.000 That's just so interesting to me.

01:40:49.000 This is... Now here's why I say he's lying.

01:40:55.000 Because if he's not lying, then this is rough.

01:40:59.000 Okay?

01:41:01.000 Now maybe I should have explained that.

01:41:03.000 The reason why I said that he's probably just concealing his views is because if he's not concealing his true conviction, which is that probably genetics determine IQ to a large degree.

01:41:18.000 Maybe not completely, but to a not insignificant degree.

01:41:21.000 Enough of a degree that it matters.

01:41:23.000 If he's not concealing a view that he believes that, then this is just plain embarrassing.

01:41:31.000 It's just, there's no, I'm sorry.

01:41:34.000 No, another way around it.

01:41:35.000 I'm not trying to bully you, but, you know, yeah, you know, you're gonna call me bad faith and everything? 0.98

01:41:42.000 This sucks, okay? 0.99

01:41:44.000 Are there race differences in IQ? 1.00

01:41:46.000 It's just so complicated.

01:41:48.000 I don't know.

01:41:49.000 Environment can play a factor, and genetics is so multifaceted.

01:41:53.000 Take a guess.

01:41:54.000 I don't know.

01:41:55.000 Come on.

01:41:56.000 Well, I think there are not many girl guitar players, but there's a lot of girl violin players. 1.00

01:42:01.000 I bet you could Google that.

01:42:03.000 You didn't think to bother?

01:42:04.000 You didn't bother to do that?

01:42:06.000 You didn't bother to study that?

01:42:08.000 You didn't bother to... Well, here's an anecdote.

01:42:10.000 Here's an anecdote.

01:42:11.000 They're literally anecdotes!

01:42:12.000 They're literally anecdotes!

01:42:14.000 Is race genetically determined?

01:42:17.000 I don't know, but I heard a story about a good girl chess player, and I heard another story about a good girl violinist, and I think there's not a lot of girl rock bands.

01:42:24.000 Okay.

01:42:27.000 All right, now that we've reviewed that part... And we could listen to the rest, but it doesn't add any more context that is relevant here.

01:42:45.000 But so he, so, he's reviewing my show where a super chit says, how does Destiny say things like IQ is heritable but not genetic? 0.83

01:42:51.000 Which he said.

01:42:52.000 He said it's, it may be, uh, highly, what did he say?

01:42:58.000 He said, um, before this rock pan business.

01:43:05.000 He said it's so complicated.

01:43:06.000 Things that have a very high amount of genetic inheritance might have a low heritability.

01:43:14.000 How does Destiny say things like IQ is heritable but not genetic?

01:43:19.000 That's what he said. 0.53

01:43:21.000 But he goes in and says, um, well, that was taken out of context because that's a ridiculous statement that didn't make sense. 0.54

01:43:30.000 Well, there's your context.

01:43:31.000 And yeah, it didn't make sense.

01:43:33.000 You're definitely right about that.

01:43:34.000 That's for sure.

01:43:36.000 Destiny say things like IQ is heritable but not genetic.

01:43:36.000 Okay.

01:43:40.000 Because he knows that it is, but he doesn't want to.

01:43:43.000 Okay.

01:43:45.000 I'm continuing to point things out when you see them.

01:43:48.000 If you respond to a clip that is, or to like a don't know message, it's probably misrepresenting something I've said.

01:43:56.000 It shows that you are scared to have the conversation.

01:43:59.000 Oh, see, and now, and here, and notice what he does here.

01:44:03.000 He doesn't say, oh, I didn't say that.

01:44:05.000 That's not my position.

01:44:07.000 My position is this.

01:44:09.000 He flips it and says, it's presupposed that it was taken out of context.

01:44:17.000 If you read this quote, you're dishonest.

01:44:21.000 Now he did say that.

01:44:22.000 The quote was not taken out of context and it is something he said.

01:44:26.000 But here he is sitting there saying, I didn't say that and if you think I did, well you're afraid of arguing with me.

01:44:33.000 Really?

01:44:34.000 You just knew that right out of the gate. 1.00

01:44:37.000 Oh, actually, you're the liar! 1.00

01:44:39.000 You're the liar! 1.00

01:44:39.000 I didn't- I never said something stupid. 1.00

01:44:41.000 You're just a liar. 1.00

01:44:42.000 You're afraid of me. 1.00

01:44:43.000 Hmm.

01:44:43.000 Oh, okay.

01:44:43.000 It barely even makes sense.

01:44:44.000 Let's try this one on for size. 0.98

01:44:45.000 Stuff that has a high amount of inheritance might have a low heritability.

01:44:48.000 Okay.

01:45:02.000 Yeah, yeah, I know, I know, I know!

01:45:03.000 I'm just as mad as you are!

01:45:32.000 I know.

01:45:34.000 Yeah, that's you.

01:45:34.000 I know.

01:45:35.000 You said that. 0.99

01:45:36.000 You do a retard voice. 1.00

01:45:37.000 You said it. 0.98

01:45:39.000 That's not the interesting question.

01:45:41.000 The interesting question is, is it environmental or genetic?

01:45:43.000 Well, it's not that interesting because you don't even have an answer.

01:45:47.000 Well, the interesting question is, is it environmental or is it genetic?

01:45:52.000 Well, oh, have you really?

01:45:53.000 It's so interesting that your only substance on that is... Well, it's just so complicated.

01:45:58.000 There's just so many genes.

01:45:59.000 Nobody knows.

01:46:00.000 There's no research.

01:46:01.000 And anyway, there was a girl chess player one time. 1.00

01:46:04.000 Yeah, super interesting, by the way. 0.96

01:46:05.000 I don't even know what the fuck we're asking here. 0.91

01:46:09.000 Yeah, I know. 0.98

01:46:11.000 Because he knows that it is, but he doesn't want to say it.

01:46:14.000 That's the problem with these people when they say, oh it's dog whistles and this and that.

01:46:18.000 It's like, you agree!

01:46:20.000 I didn't even say it was dog whistles.

01:46:21.000 I just said that researching highly- Wait a second, you didn't say it was dog whistles?

01:46:27.000 Pull up the tape!

01:46:29.000 Source!

01:46:30.000 Source!

01:46:31.000 Pull up the tape!

01:46:33.000 It's like code for racism nowadays or like how do you like because like the Nick Fuentes thing it's weird like watching you have a conversation with him because it's kind of like there's like a subtext to everything he's saying and you're trying to like kind of decode that for the audience.

01:46:49.000 So race realism is this idea that there are distinct human races and there are big biological differences between said races.

01:46:49.000 Sometimes, yeah.

01:46:57.000 Right.

01:46:58.000 If you're talking to somebody who believes in race realism, like on a show like this, they'd probably say like, oh, well, it just means that like, you know, different people have like different cultures and you know, like, yeah, you know, like Asian people look different than black people, whatever.

01:47:10.000 But typically what it really means is there are very ingrained parts of our brains that are like genetically determined.

01:47:18.000 Do you buy into that?

01:47:33.000 Okay, so he did say it's coded language.

01:47:37.000 What they say is what they mean is...

01:47:57.000 You agree.

01:47:58.000 You just don't like where it will lead you.

01:48:00.000 That's the difference.

01:48:01.000 He agrees with us on so much, but he just doesn't like where it leads.

01:48:05.000 So he just says, oh, I don't know how much of IQ is genetic.

01:48:08.000 I also don't like that you're afraid where it leads.

01:48:12.000 I don't have an ideological commitment to anything.

01:48:15.000 I'll go.

01:48:15.000 I just.

01:48:16.000 OK, so he goes, he goes,

01:48:19.000 Well, the real question is how, you're misinterpreting me.

01:48:23.000 What I said is that it's interesting how much of behavior and phenotype is determined by genetics or by environment.

01:48:32.000 Or how many, how much of people's characteristics are determined by an environment or their genetics.

01:48:38.000 And then I repeat back to him, I said, you know, how much is environment or genetics?

01:48:42.000 Oh, I don't know.

01:48:45.000 I don't know.

01:48:45.000 I don't know how much it is.

01:48:47.000 And that's what I'm saying.

01:48:50.000 You wanna say, oh I don't know, no one can know.

01:48:53.000 Because it's apparent that genetics play a big role, and you don't like where that goes.

01:48:57.000 He's willing to admit, well there might be some things and some differences, but nobody knows definitively which gene does it.

01:49:05.000 Really?

01:49:05.000 And you're not even interested in answering the question.

01:49:08.000 Do you know?

01:49:09.000 No.

01:49:10.000 You don't even know.

01:49:11.000 So how can you say?

01:49:12.000 We're just gonna ask these questions?

01:49:14.000 Hmm, I wonder how much.

01:49:17.000 Anyway, I wonder how much of IQ is genetic or environmental?

01:49:22.000 I'm not gonna bother to research that.

01:49:24.000 A girl played chess one time.

01:49:27.000 Anywhere.

01:49:28.000 You're the leader of a political movement.

01:49:29.000 You are far more likely to suffer from audience capture than I am. 0.99

01:49:34.000 I've proven multiple times over my career, I'll axe half my fucking fanbase if I think that they disagree with me. 1.00

01:49:39.000 I don't give a fuck. 0.99

01:49:40.000 Like, I'm here to say what I believe, and I believe what I say. 0.99

01:49:42.000 Like, full stop.

01:49:44.000 Whereas, I don't know if you would torpedo your entire political movement if you were to start to disagree with them over things.

01:49:51.000 The argument for audience capture is far greater in favor of your political beliefs than mine.

01:49:57.000 You see, once again, do you see this recurrent pattern of, you know, Destiny said this.

01:50:04.000 Oh, I didn't say that. 0.99

01:50:05.000 If you think I said that, you're a liar. 0.98

01:50:08.000 That's how it started.

01:50:10.000 Something he did say and then just repeated verbatim.

01:50:14.000 Oh, if you even thought I said what the Super Chat said I said, well, you're afraid to engage with me honestly.

01:50:21.000 And then I restated exactly what he said.

01:50:23.000 Destiny says he doesn't know how much of IQ is genetic or environmental.

01:50:28.000 But deep down, that's because he knows it's genetic.

01:50:31.000 But he just doesn't like the implications of that.

01:50:35.000 And what's his rebuttal to that? 1.00

01:50:37.000 He says, well if anything, you're a liar! 0.93

01:50:41.000 If anything, you're more likely to be a liar because I don't like this afraid where it will lead because I'm not afraid that my audience will leave me. 0.97

01:50:51.000 That's not what anybody said.

01:50:53.000 I say what I believe and I believe what I say.

01:50:56.000 I didn't challenge that either.

01:50:58.000 I think you don't want to believe that.

01:51:00.000 I think you have your beliefs and I think you don't want to challenge your beliefs.

01:51:03.000 I don't think you want your beliefs to be something else.

01:51:06.000 I think he's earnest.

01:51:08.000 I think he says what he believes and he believes what he says.

01:51:11.000 But I think that deep down he's afraid of where that will go.

01:51:14.000 That's why he's okay with saying, I don't know.

01:51:16.000 That's why he's okay with stopping at that point.

01:51:19.000 Which is what I said!

01:51:22.000 He's gonna say, oh I don't know how much of it is determined, not willing to guess, not willing to speculate, not really even willing to... Where's the evidence that we don't know?

01:51:31.000 That there's a chess player?

01:51:33.000 There's just no...

01:51:36.000 He's not interested in that, to the extent that he knows that it is very plausible that IQ is very much determined by genes, and I don't think that he's afraid that his audience will leave him.

01:51:49.000 And how that pertains to me and my likelihood to change my views based on my fear of my audience leaving.

01:51:56.000 It's got to do with, you've got a liberal worldview.

01:51:59.000 You've got a liberal disposition, a very particular kind of worldview.

01:52:02.000 I don't think you want to believe that.

01:52:04.000 I don't think you like where that goes.

01:52:06.000 If people have different IQs, where does that take you?

01:52:09.000 I don't know that he's afraid that his audience will leave him.

01:52:12.000 I think he's afraid of where it will take him.

01:52:15.000 Mentally, ideologically.

01:52:18.000 Which he doesn't engage with.

01:52:19.000 He just says, well, if anything, you're more likely to not see your real views.

01:52:23.000 Okay.

01:52:24.000 Yeah.

01:52:24.000 I couldn't guess.

01:52:25.000 I don't know.

01:52:27.000 It might be a little bit, but I don't know.

01:52:29.000 Like, oh, come on.

01:52:30.000 You're not interested?

01:52:31.000 You don't know?

01:52:32.000 Or you don't like the answer?

01:52:34.000 I think it's pretty obvious.

01:52:36.000 He was on that No Jumper podcast and

01:52:40.000 And the black guy's going, you know, what do you think about race and IQ? 0.98

01:52:43.000 And he goes, well, um, I don't know, because sometimes plants can be different based on their environment.

01:52:51.000 Oh, really?

01:52:52.000 He goes, so how genetic do you think it is?

01:52:55.000 I don't know.

01:52:55.000 Take a guess.

01:52:56.000 I couldn't.

01:52:57.000 Oh, really?

01:52:58.000 So you've just debated race and IQ for seven years, and you've looked at the science more than anybody.

01:53:03.000 You've debated all hype and all these guys.

01:53:05.000 You just have no idea.

01:53:06.000 Oh, you know.

01:53:08.000 You know that it's more

01:53:11.000 To the extent that you're willing to admit you know it's more determined by genetics.

01:53:15.000 I really don't, I just don't like the projection.

01:53:18.000 I also think that at this point... Well wait, but is it true?

01:53:23.000 Don't engage with what I'm saying.

01:53:25.000 Don't engage with the fact that your refusal to engage with it belies the fact that there's a reason you own it.

01:53:31.000 It's the lack of engagement.

01:53:32.000 I don't have a problem with the argument.

01:53:35.000 He's not out there arguing it's genetic or it's not genetic, it's environmental.

01:53:38.000 He's saying, I don't know, and I'm really just not that interested.

01:53:41.000 And I'm saying, well, you're not interested because if he became interested, you'd probably come to some troubling conclusions.

01:53:47.000 And instead of engaging with that and saying, no, I have done the reading, I have done this, and what I've determined is it's inconclusive.

01:53:52.000 He says, well, actually, you're dishonest.

01:53:55.000 Well, you're projecting something.

01:53:57.000 I think I have the credit that it's pretty obvious that I say what I mean and I mean what I say. 0.99

01:54:03.000 Like, after Rittenhouse, after the trans stuff in Keffels, after the Hasan Vashj communism shit, like, it's not like anything has ever leaked from me, like audio or DMs, where I'm like, actually, I think black people are subhuman, guys, and blah blah blah. 0.97

01:54:18.000 Like, this has never happened before. 0.96

01:54:19.000 I'm pretty consistent through and through with what I believe, and I've argued it with a ton of different people.

01:54:24.000 Um, it's just such a lazy engagement with things that I say.

01:54:26.000 Rather than, like, engaging with the substance of what I'm saying, just saying, oh, well, I think that he's lying.

01:54:30.000 Come on, really?

01:54:32.000 Engage with the substance?

01:54:33.000 What's the substance?

01:54:35.000 Girl chess player?

01:54:36.000 Girl violin player?

01:54:39.000 You don't water a plant?

01:54:40.000 It's not gonna grow?

01:54:42.000 That's the point!

01:54:43.000 There's nothing to engage with!

01:54:45.000 I am engaging with it.

01:54:46.000 I'm saying it's just like woefully insufficient here to just say it's inconclusive and I don't need to go any further.

01:54:52.000 It's like he's not interested in 9-11.

01:54:54.000 He's not interested in the existence of God.

01:54:56.000 He's not interested in the afterlife.

01:54:57.000 He's not interested in... what is he interested in then?

01:55:01.000 Whether or not trannies are real or something? 1.00

01:55:04.000 Uh... then not.

01:55:10.000 More than you'd care to admit and you don't like what the implications are of that.

01:55:15.000 If I believe that, I would just say that.

01:55:32.000 Like what?

01:55:33.000 Of all the things, of all the fights I've picked in the past, of all the positions I've staked out, do you really think race realism, do you really think that IQ and genes would be one of the ones that I'd be afraid of?

01:55:45.000 Yes, yes.

01:55:46.000 Do you really think?

01:55:47.000 Yeah, I think that

01:55:49.000 Anybody who looks at it knows that genetics plays a fact in IQ.

01:55:56.000 For him to not say on that podcast, yes, genetics plays a big role.

01:56:02.000 Yes!

01:56:03.000 It is dishonest. 0.97

01:56:05.000 Your failure to acknowledge that is... You're not a dummy. 0.58

01:56:10.000 You know better.

01:56:12.000 You know that genetics maybe isn't all of it, but it's enough of it that it matters.

01:56:17.000 But you're not even willing to say that!

01:56:19.000 The most you'll say is, there might be some differences between some people.

01:56:24.000 Seriously?

01:56:26.000 And we just have no idea.

01:56:27.000 There are IQ genes, but we just don't really know anything.

01:56:31.000 And what makes me think is a girl played chess. 0.97

01:56:35.000 Come on now.

01:56:36.000 Come on now.

01:56:38.000 Don't belittle me.

01:56:39.000 You really think?

01:56:40.000 Yeah, I really do.

01:56:40.000 I really do think so.

01:56:42.000 I really do think that because the conclusion is troubling.

01:56:45.000 The conclusion is scary.

01:56:47.000 It is troubling.

01:56:48.000 And it's not that the fans are not going to agree.

01:56:51.000 The troubling thing is that human equality is baked into the cake.

01:56:55.000 That's sad.

01:56:57.000 That's sad, and it's tragic, and it calls into question all of liberal orthodoxy.

01:57:02.000 What does that mean for a utilitarian if the most populous race in the world is two standard deviations in intelligence below white people? 0.88

01:57:19.000 It's disturbing.

01:57:20.000 It's straight-up troubling.

01:57:27.000 And yeah, do you really believe?

01:57:29.000 Yeah, I do really believe that you would say that rather than what, Kyle Rittenhouse shouldn't have let himself be killed?

01:57:33.000 Yeah, it's a little different.

01:57:35.000 Kyle Rittenhouse should defend himself when people are chasing him with guns.

01:57:38.000 That's a little different than saying human inequality is baked into the cake.

01:57:42.000 It's over.

01:57:43.000 It's over.

01:57:44.000 Not everybody can be everything.

01:57:46.000 Not anyone can be anything.

01:57:50.000 It destroys the edifice of liberalism.

01:57:55.000 This blank slate stuff, constructivism, all of it, blows it out of the water.

01:58:01.000 What do you do?

01:58:01.000 What do you do as a liberal utilitarian if you got a billion, four billion black people in 2100 with an average IQ of 75?

01:58:12.000 It's horrifying.

01:58:13.000 I do really think that.

01:58:14.000 And I think that your refusal to engage with, to even admit that, because he's not saying environment is 100%, he's saying, I don't know.

01:58:22.000 And what that means is he's, that's a concession.

01:58:26.000 Because if he thought that genetics played no significant role, he would just say that.

01:58:30.000 Genetics plays no significant role.

01:58:32.000 Environmental determines almost everything.

01:58:35.000 And therefore, XYZ.

01:58:37.000 But he's saying, well, it's just, it's unknowable.

01:58:40.000 It's not unknowable.

01:58:41.000 It's not unknowable.

01:58:42.000 It's not really that complicated.

01:58:44.000 The studies are out there, the data's out there, it's not inconclusive.

01:58:48.000 Your counter-argument is that a girl learned to play the violin but not the guitar?

01:58:52.000 What does that even have to do with anything?

01:58:54.000 for extremism okay at least that's something you could argue with but it's just dishonest to say oh i don't know i don't know it's like not uh i just have no idea how genetic it is okay well then you need to get an idea yeah you do yeah you need to get an idea yeah you gotta

01:59:17.000 There's one side saying, look, disparities exist because inequality's baked into the cake.

01:59:22.000 The other side is saying, I don't know.

01:59:24.000 We can't know.

01:59:26.000 I don't know. 0.85

01:59:27.000 You're a racist if you think there are, though. 1.00

01:59:30.000 But if you think there are, you're a fucking racist Nazi. 1.00

01:59:33.000 If you think there are differences, you're a racist, and you think that everything's biologically determined, you're a racist Nazi. 1.00

01:59:40.000 Not a Nazi, but whatever. 1.00

01:59:41.000 You're a racist, you're... Okay. 1.00

01:59:45.000 Okay.

01:59:46.000 Justin sent $3.

01:59:47.000 Destiny doesn't care about the mass reporting. 0.94

01:59:51.000 He didn't want to get Molly whopped in the JFK debate.

01:59:53.000 Holla.

01:59:54.000 Holla! 1.00

01:59:54.000 That's so true, Justin. 1.00

01:59:56.000 I'm glad you finally said it.

01:59:58.000 He totally was blowing it out of proportion for that reason.

02:00:03.000 I think he wanted a reason to disengage.

02:00:05.000 He wanted... Okay, there's two parts to the JFK debate.

02:00:09.000 One is I put a lot of effort into the 9-11 debate and he backed off of every single claim almost instantaneously and almost completely.

02:00:17.000 Not true!

02:00:19.000 Not true!

02:00:21.000 I don't have the Sneako stream because it's privated, but when we run the Sneako stream and someone else can help me and pull up the tape, we schedule the debate.

02:00:33.000 The 9-11 debate was supposed to be with Sneko.

02:00:37.000 And the JFK debate was supposed to be with me.

02:00:40.000 Destiny said, okay, what day do you want to do the... It was on my birthday.

02:00:44.000 My birthday was on Thursday, August 18th.

02:00:48.000 They scheduled it for Monday.

02:00:49.000 So that would have been the 22nd or the 23rd.

02:00:54.000 And I know that I didn't schedule the Destiny debate because I was celebrating my birthday all weekend.

02:00:59.000 I wasn't preparing for a debate.

02:01:02.000 So Thursday, August 18th, when we did the stream, it was me, Destiny, and Sneeko, Sneeko said, I'll do the 9-11 debate.

02:01:09.000 When?

02:01:11.000 Monday the 22nd.

02:01:13.000 And I said, and I will do the JFK debate.

02:01:16.000 When?

02:01:18.000 We said September 6th at 8pm.

02:01:22.000 And then when I showed up in Miami, and I showed up to his house, and we were doing an IRL stream, I said, hey, what's up?

02:01:30.000 He's like, let's debate 9-11.

02:01:31.000 I didn't back off every position.

02:01:32.000 I said, hey, I didn't really come here to debate that.

02:01:34.000 I said, I didn't prepare for that.

02:01:36.000 He just got done watching a six-hour 9-11 documentary and streamed about it for three days while I was celebrating my birthday.

02:01:43.000 I was on the beach all weekend.

02:01:45.000 Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

02:01:46.000 I was in Miami for my birthday.

02:01:49.000 Sneako was supposed to debate Destiny on Monday the 22nd.

02:01:52.000 Not me.

02:01:53.000 That's why I didn't prepare for it.

02:01:54.000 So when I showed up, I said, hey, what's going on?

02:01:55.000 He's like, let's debate about 9-11.

02:01:57.000 I didn't back off every position.

02:01:59.000 I said, hey, I didn't really come prepared for that.

02:02:01.000 That's not really what I'm here for.

02:02:04.000 That's got nothing to do with the JFK debate.

02:02:05.000 That's just a lie about how it was. 0.99

02:02:09.000 I feel like, fuck, what the fuck is the point of researching for another big conspiracy? 0.99

02:02:13.000 But the second thing was that... Oh, so I research for one debate, what's the point of researching for another debate? 0.99

02:02:19.000 I don't know, because you committed to both of them?

02:02:21.000 If I'm going to engage with other communities, especially ones that are so ideologically different than mine, there has to be some type of... See, even his audience says, right here, the debate was supposed to be with Sneeko.

02:02:39.000 of ground rules for engagement.

02:02:41.000 And one of those rules is we have to have a mutual understanding that we're not going to be trying to fucking nuke each other's platforms from orbit.

02:02:49.000 If I'm engaging with people and they're trying to destroy my fellow friends on YouTube, I'm already taking a big risk by engaging in that community.

02:03:00.000 Why would I continue to do that?

02:03:05.000 I don't— Here's another one.

02:03:07.000 Destiny, you literally agreed to do that debate with Sneako.

02:03:11.000 Like, it's— I don't— I don't feel that— I don't think I need to explain any more than that.

02:03:16.000 I think you're the one that has to jump through crazy hoops if you're trying to, like, find a conspiracy there or if you're trying to—

02:03:22.000 That was your fault!

02:03:23.000 9-11 was for Sneeko!

02:03:24.000 JFK was for Nick, Destiny!

02:03:43.000 So he says... So the first reason is just total bullshit. 1.00

02:03:47.000 That's why I said he's lying. 1.00

02:03:49.000 Because the first reason is BS.

02:03:51.000 On August 18th...

02:03:53.000 Actually, it was probably in the morning.

02:03:54.000 So it was probably the morning of Friday, August 19th.

02:03:56.000 It was probably, I think, 11 or midnight on Thursday the 18th, or it was 1 or 2 Friday the 19th.

02:04:04.000 And we said, SNECO on Monday the 22nd, and me for the JFK debate on Tuesday the 6th at 8pm Central.

02:04:14.000 That was the thing.

02:04:15.000 So now he's saying, well the reason I backed out of the debate is because

02:04:20.000 Well, I debated Nick on 9-11, and I did all that research, and he just backed out on everything.

02:04:25.000 Nope.

02:04:26.000 I showed up and said, nope, you got it confused.

02:04:29.000 I'm not here.

02:04:30.000 You were supposed to debate SNCC on that.

02:04:31.000 I'm here to hang out.

02:04:32.000 So that's a lie.

02:04:36.000 And then the second thing he says, well, there's rules of engagement.

02:04:40.000 Mr. Grohl is reported by Big Tech.

02:04:44.000 Which again, I'm saying that's the excuse.

02:04:47.000 You could say that.

02:04:48.000 I think that's just a paltry excuse, and I'll get into why.

02:04:50.000 But let's finish watching this part.

02:04:54.000 People are saying, there's a lot of cope in chat where it's like, oh no, the 9-11 debate was with Sneeko, that wasn't Nick at all, oh no, that's totally blah blah blah. 0.97

02:05:01.000 Nick has had conspiratorial beliefs about 9-11 for a long fucking time. 0.99

02:05:05.000 If you believe differently, it bothers me because the same fucking retards in chat that are saying, oh no, that wasn't about Nick, blah blah blah, are the same ones that are screaming, oh, call him a Nazi, blah blah blah blah blah. 1.00

02:05:14.000 You are high on fucking crack cocaine. 1.00

02:05:16.000 What does one have to do with the other? 1.00

02:05:19.000 You said the reason you pulled out of the debate is because

02:05:23.000 Well, I already debated Nick on 9-11, and he dropped out.

02:05:26.000 And people said, no, actually, you were supposed to debate Sneeko on 9-11.

02:05:31.000 You didn't debate Nick on 9-11.

02:05:34.000 So, that's just not true.

02:05:36.000 And he goes, oh, well, well, Nick doesn't believe in 9-11.

02:05:41.000 So, you didn't debate me, you backed out of your debate because I believe that 9-11 was a conspiracy?

02:05:48.000 How does that make any sense? 0.97

02:05:52.000 If you think that Nick doesn't believe that 9-11 was a fixed thing, you're absolutely fucking out of your mind if you think that it wasn't.

02:05:58.000 So whether Nick was the one that explicitly agreed to it, one, he was egging it on.

02:06:01.000 He was the one that was suggesting it, saying, like, making that debate happen, moving that direction.

02:06:05.000 See, once again, the weasel words, well, even if he didn't explicitly agree to it, you mean, in other words, even if Nick wasn't the one who was supposed to debate?

02:06:15.000 That'd be like saying, uh, hey, uh, Dalton, I'm gonna fight you on Monday. 0.99

02:06:21.000 And then I go to Tyler and say, hey, what's up, bitch? 1.00

02:06:24.000 You ready to fight me? 0.99

02:06:26.000 And Tyler's like, what?

02:06:26.000 I don't know what you're talking about.

02:06:27.000 Boom, boom, boom! 0.95

02:06:29.000 Hey, yeah, our fight is next week.

02:06:31.000 Well, even if he didn't explicitly agree to it... I didn't agree to it at all!

02:06:37.000 I didn't prepare for it.

02:06:38.000 I didn't know we were on for Monday.

02:06:40.000 Me and Destiny were supposed to stream on Saturday, not Monday.

02:06:44.000 But the schedule didn't work out and we wound up pushing it to Sunday and then to Monday.

02:06:50.000 So that's just an outright... This is what I'm talking about.

02:06:53.000 It's kind of Weasley.

02:06:54.000 Well, even if Mitt didn't agree to the debate, he believes 9-11 was a conspiracy, and anyway he was egging it on, so... So that's why I backed out of my other debate.

02:07:06.000 No, we're good to go.

02:07:25.000 Because Sneeko's talking about getting on cozy, Sneeko just got banned and he's getting some heat, and Destiny's getting some heat, and so what better way to cool everything, cool off all these relationships by saying, Nick got my friend banned and you're not principled!

02:07:42.000 There's so much, like, conspiratorial stuff.

02:07:45.000 Like, it's so...

02:07:48.000 It's

02:08:04.000 Like, why would I agree to do an IRL stream with you and then cool the relationship because I'm getting heat?

02:08:10.000 Like, heat from who? 0.98

02:08:11.000 From communities that I don't fucking care about? 1.00

02:08:14.000 Like, people that I don't give a fuck? 0.99

02:08:16.000 Like, am I worried about the Twitch lefty community? 0.99

02:08:18.000 Am I worried about L3L? 1.00

02:08:23.000 Because Destiny has said at various times, he said on the Paul Eskindon stream, here's his conception of our relationship.

02:08:32.000 He says that, he goes, well I'm talking to Nick because I get good viewership.

02:08:37.000 When I talk to Nick, my stream is bigger than ever.

02:08:40.000 That's what he said.

02:08:42.000 He said I'm talking to Nick because I benefit.

02:08:44.000 I talk to Nick because my numbers have never been higher.

02:08:48.000 And I'm appealing to a new audience.

02:08:50.000 He goes, and I also understand that Nick is benefiting.

02:08:55.000 And Nick is getting exposure to my audience.

02:08:58.000 So, in other words, his reason for engaging, he says himself, is to grow his audience and grow his numbers.

02:09:06.000 And he also says that doing that necessarily entails growing my numbers as well.

02:09:11.000 But he has also said to me that he wants my movement to fail.

02:09:14.000 He's also said, before he went on the Sneeko panel, that he would not allow me to preach my message in front of so many people.

02:09:23.000 Which we'll get into.

02:09:24.000 We've got the clips.

02:09:27.000 So you can't go in there and say, oh well, what do you mean?

02:09:32.000 Why would I want to ice this out?

02:09:34.000 It's because why are you doing this?

02:09:36.000 To benefit yourself.

02:09:38.000 And you don't want to benefit me disproportionately.

02:09:40.000 You've said that.

02:09:42.000 You don't want to help me.

02:09:43.000 In fact, you want my movement to fail.

02:09:45.000 So might it be the case that if maybe the equation were not favorable,

02:09:53.000 That you would want to throw some ice on that and say, well hang on a minute, let's slow down.

02:10:02.000 Because your reason for backing out of the debate just doesn't even make any sense.

02:10:07.000 I already debated Nick on 9-11.

02:10:08.000 No you didn't.

02:10:10.000 No you didn't.

02:10:10.000 And he didn't announce you or, you know, if I never brought it up, he wouldn't have even said anything.

02:10:16.000 On Discord, I messaged him.

02:10:22.000 I said on the 4th.

02:10:26.000 I said, are we still on for our JFK debate on Tuesday?

02:10:30.000 No response.

02:10:34.000 I said on the 4th again at 5 o'clock.

02:10:38.000 Also, are we on for the JFK debate?

02:10:40.000 We scheduled it for Tuesday at 8pm.

02:10:43.000 No response.

02:10:45.000 Then, he brings on Big Tech, Beardson, and Britney to talk about the accusations that the Groipers flagged on Mr. Girl without inviting me on. 0.84

02:10:55.000 And while this is going on, I said, hey, I didn't report Mr. Girl.

02:10:59.000 I want him to keep making YouTube videos.

02:11:04.000 He sent me the clip of Big Tech.

02:11:06.000 I said, you're blaming me for something someone else said?

02:11:08.000 He said, it's your community.

02:11:10.000 I said, I said on my show that I want him to be on YouTube.

02:11:12.000 Here's the clip.

02:11:16.000 Then he brings on Britney and Beardson and Big Tech while I'm texting him to talk about it while he's blaming me for it.

02:11:23.000 So let me get this straight.

02:11:25.000 I'm at fault for what Big Tech said.

02:11:27.000 That's just a given.

02:11:31.000 And in spite of the fact that it's my fault and you're talking to me about it, you're gonna bring on other people to talk about it.

02:11:36.000 It's my fault.

02:11:37.000 I'm the representative.

02:11:38.000 I'm responsible, but you're gonna bring them on.

02:11:41.000 So if what Big Tech said is my fault, you bring Big Tech on, but not me.

02:11:45.000 You bring Beardson and Brittany on, but not me, while you're talking to me.

02:11:49.000 It's not like I'm not available.

02:11:50.000 It's not like I'm watching the stream.

02:11:51.000 I'm talking to you during it.

02:11:53.000 You're talking to me while you're streaming, talking to them.

02:11:56.000 So I say,

02:12:00.000 I said, uh, are you gonna let me talk or are you gonna let other people who aren't even Groipers speak for me? 0.99

02:12:04.000 He goes, message Britney if you want on. 0.99

02:12:09.000 Message Britney if you want on. 1.00

02:12:11.000 Okay.

02:12:13.000 Really?

02:12:15.000 So Big Tech reports Mr. Girl.

02:12:17.000 Mr. Girl doesn't even know about that and blames it on me.

02:12:20.000 What's his evidence?

02:12:21.000 I told people to ratio the tweet where he blamed it on me.

02:12:24.000 His evidence that I got his YouTube taken down is that I told people to ratio his tweet where he blamed me for taking his YouTube channel down.

02:12:33.000 Destiny uses that as an excuse to say that he's dropping out of the JFK debate after he dropped out of the JFK debate and ignored me.

02:12:42.000 I text him over and over, when's the JFK?

02:12:44.000 He doesn't answer me.

02:12:46.000 The day before, he goes out and says, well, I can't engage with Nick anymore because of the Mr. Girl thing.

02:12:52.000 It's his fault.

02:12:52.000 It's his community.

02:12:54.000 Hey, Destiny, can I come out and defend myself?

02:12:56.000 Well, he's already got Beardson and Big Tech and Britney on there.

02:12:59.000 Hey, can I come out and defend myself?

02:13:01.000 Well, text Britney if you want on. 0.99

02:13:02.000 Okay.

02:13:03.000 So I join the call, and I say, yeah, I don't agree with that.

02:13:07.000 Beardson doesn't agree with that.

02:13:09.000 Britney doesn't agree with that. 0.99

02:13:11.000 And anyway, are we on for tomorrow?

02:13:13.000 Oh, I don't really know.

02:13:14.000 Maybe.

02:13:15.000 He doesn't say no, he says maybe.

02:13:17.000 Then after the fact, after he backed out of the debate, after he ignored me, and after I called him on it, then he comes out and says, well, the reason is because we did the 9-11 debate, which we didn't, which is based on a lie, and people call him out.

02:13:30.000 He says, well, you know, he didn't explicitly agree to it, but you know,

02:13:33.000 He doesn't think 9-11 happened, so might as well have been. 1.00

02:13:36.000 That's bullshit. 0.97

02:13:38.000 And then he goes on and says, uh, well, actually it's because of the, uh, the big tech thing. 1.00

02:13:43.000 And then he goes on to talk about, you know, being honest.

02:13:46.000 That's really good. 0.97

02:13:47.000 L3 or Lasan saying, like, who do you think I'm trying to cool shit off for?

02:13:50.000 I'm doing an IRL stream with you getting 14,000 viewers. 0.98

02:13:53.000 Do you think some negative sentiment from some terminally online mentally disabled dipshits with guardians are really gonna scare me off of that? 0.99

02:14:00.000 Like, 0.98

02:14:02.000 Come on, that's not an honest engagement.

02:14:04.000 You could just take what I'm saying at face value.

02:14:07.000 Take what I'm saying at face value.

02:14:10.000 I should afford you that.

02:14:11.000 I should take what you're saying at face value.

02:14:15.000 Let's bank that for a second.

02:14:17.000 Why don't you just take what I said at face value?

02:14:20.000 Okay, let's save that one.

02:14:22.000 It's irritating because

02:14:28.000 If you can say anything about me, I think I'm honest at least.

02:14:32.000 Unless I'm lying to myself.

02:14:35.000 I'm pretty honest with my beliefs. 0.97

02:14:37.000 You might think that I'm an asshole or that I'm wrong, but I'm not lying. 0.96

02:14:41.000 I'm pretty forthcoming with my thoughts about this. 0.97

02:14:43.000 It's like, I didn't get your friend banned.

02:14:45.000 Your friend got banned because he broke the rules.

02:14:49.000 And it so happened that some other person reported him.

02:14:52.000 Oh, this is he signaling a lot of there's another weird thing, too Is that like when I'm speaking I can just speak these are these are you're coming here and this is steve abanel's thoughts on shit And that's it But when he's speaking he has to speak as like the figurehead of his little political movement And so a lot of this is signaling to his audience.

02:15:08.000 Okay, so so You I'm an honest guy you need to take what I say at face value.

02:15:15.000 Oh, well what you're saying?

02:15:16.000 Oh, well, you're lying

02:15:19.000 I understand, but it's still kind of annoying.

02:15:40.000 Who's on my site?

02:15:41.000 You know who else is on my site?

02:15:43.000 You are.

02:15:44.000 Destiny is on my site. 0.99

02:15:48.000 This equivocation is so dumb. 0.98

02:15:50.000 You're on my site. 0.99

02:15:51.000 What does that mean?

02:15:51.000 I'm not on your site.

02:15:54.000 No.

02:15:55.000 No.

02:15:56.000 No.

02:15:56.000 That's not true.

02:15:57.000 Oh, it's not true?

02:16:01.000 Last I checked.

02:16:10.000 Oh, gee, yeah, I think that is true.

02:16:12.000 Actually, it turns out that it is true.

02:16:13.000 There he is.

02:16:15.000 It's not equivocation.

02:16:17.000 It's not equivocation at all.

02:16:19.000 That's to say, there's 50 streamers on this site.

02:16:22.000 Am I responsible for what every single person... Is every cozy streamer a groiper?

02:16:28.000 Is every streamer on the site... I'm responsible for what they say?

02:16:32.000 There's 50 people on this site.

02:16:37.000 Jackson Hinkle, Infrared, Aiden Projects,

02:16:42.000 No, I'm not on your site.

02:16:43.000 Yeah, you are.

02:16:44.000 That's the point.

02:16:46.000 Like, the big tech guy is literally a part of the Groyper community.

02:16:51.000 To say that I'm on your site in a similar manner is not true.

02:16:55.000 That's, come on.

02:16:56.000 Like, we know what we're talking about here.

02:17:00.000 Flamenco's on.

02:17:01.000 There's a lot of people on my site.

02:17:02.000 It's a free speech.

02:17:03.000 I've never even streamed on Cozy before yet, right?

02:17:06.000 There are people on my site.

02:17:07.000 One has nothing to do with the other.

02:17:09.000 Either I'm responsible for what everyone on the site says or I'm responsible for what I say. 0.68

02:17:12.000 I'm not here to say that I'm a fat or a shill or a Jew or all kinds of crazy things.

02:17:20.000 So for him to that was like just the perfect Opportunity for him to blow that out of proportion and say oh Nick got my friend banned He's not so free speech after all sneak.

02:17:28.000 Oh you got it.

02:17:30.000 So I think that was just I Think that was just a tactic

02:17:36.000 And also, yeah, we had this JFK debate scheduled on Tuesday, and he just silently bowed out of it.

02:17:42.000 I texted him about it like five times.

02:17:44.000 He just ignored me.

02:17:45.000 And then I asked him about it on the stream, and he said, oh, I don't know.

02:17:48.000 I'll let you know.

02:17:50.000 It's like it's tomorrow, dude.

02:17:51.000 You're just backing out.

02:17:52.000 We scheduled it, and he was so eager.

02:17:54.000 Do you remember?

02:17:55.000 We were on the stream with Sneako.

02:17:56.000 He's like, okay, I'll debate JFK.

02:17:57.000 When do you want to debate it?

02:17:58.000 When do you want to schedule it?

02:17:59.000 I scheduled two things.

02:18:01.000 I scheduled the 9-11 debate and I scheduled the JFK debate.

02:18:03.000 I did all the research for the 9-11 debate and I did the 9-11 debate.

02:18:06.000 I was gonna do the one for JFK. 0.63

02:18:08.000 No, you didn't.

02:18:09.000 You didn't debate Sneko on that.

02:18:13.000 You backed out of it.

02:18:15.000 No, I didn't, because I scheduled two things.

02:18:17.000 Yeah, and you backed out of one of them. 0.94

02:18:20.000 As part of my new fucking person, humanity, and all that shit that I discovered through my journeys of self-discovery over the past month and a half, I'm trying to make new friends, I'm trying to branch out to people, I'm trying to talk to people more. 0.95

02:18:29.000 I've added people to, like, an actual friend group that I have. 0.98

02:18:32.000 Right?

02:18:32.000 I've talked to Pisco, I've talked to Mr. Girl, I've talked to Erudite, I'm actually building out, like, friends and stuff.

02:18:37.000 Max is somebody that I would consider a pretty close friend now.

02:18:40.000 The idea that I could watch his YouTube channel, that he cares a lot about, get nuked from orbit by a group of people that are probably kind of upset because I'm arguing against Nick about them... Oh, that's... That's got nothing to do with it, though.

02:18:57.000 First of all, he got... his appeal got rejected.

02:19:03.000 That wasn't our fault.

02:19:05.000 If he was gonna get banned, he was gonna get banned.

02:19:09.000 Continue to engage. 0.94

02:19:30.000 I personally wouldn't care, but I think most humans would probably get really fucking bothered by that. 0.73

02:19:34.000 So that's something that I have to kind of consider.

02:19:36.000 And I think that's fair.

02:19:37.000 To be clear, Max has never said, like, don't stream with them or anything like that.

02:19:41.000 I don't think he would ever even make that demand.

02:19:42.000 But, like, it just seems like a really shitty thing to do.

02:19:44.000 Like, oh yeah, like, my new friends kind of, like, nuked your YouTube channel. 1.00

02:19:47.000 Like, get fucked. 0.99

02:19:48.000 Like, I'm gonna go stream. 1.00

02:19:49.000 Like, that's just, there's like... But that's just it.

02:19:52.000 Your new friends.

02:19:53.000 What has big tech got to do with it?

02:19:55.000 I don't understand.

02:19:57.000 Mr. Girl is not Destiny.

02:19:59.000 Big Tech is not Nick Fuentes.

02:20:03.000 So, you know, I fail to see how Mr. Girl attacking me and saying he's a Nazi, he's gonna kill people, and then other people in the right-wing community going out and saying, okay, we're gonna report you.

02:20:15.000 What does that have to do with me and you? 0.95

02:20:19.000 My new friends?

02:20:20.000 What?

02:20:20.000 I didn't go out there and say that.

02:20:24.000 Nobody who's been involved in Kai didn't go out there and say that.

02:20:28.000 That just seems like a very disloyal, not cool thing to do.

02:20:28.000 Yeah, I don't know.

02:20:33.000 And by the way, we then went out there and said we disavowed that, so... Well, we scheduled it, and then when the day came around, he was like, uh, uh, uh, never mind.

02:20:43.000 Well, because your friend reported someone!

02:20:46.000 Really?

02:20:48.000 So... I thought that was just... I thought that was dishonest.

02:20:55.000 Yeah, that's true.

02:20:57.000 Justin sent $3.

02:20:58.000 Destiny sent $3.

02:21:03.000 Johnny Bravo sent $3.

02:21:04.000 Do you believe that Destiny is genuinely weaponizing the band of Mr. Girl to burn your bridge with people like Sneeko?

02:21:11.000 If so, do you think it'll work?

02:21:12.000 I think he's trying.

02:21:15.000 But, uh, I guess we'll see.

02:21:16.000 We'll see what happens.

02:21:22.000 I... I... I... I wish that, like...

02:21:27.000 Give me, like, three days.

02:21:30.000 Can I have three days to be the person that people say that I am?

02:21:34.000 Like, if you wanna see blacklisted, like, I could show you blacklisted. 0.98

02:21:38.000 Like, I could start polling.

02:21:39.000 Like, I think me and Sneaker are decently friendly now.

02:21:41.000 Like, we asked to go out to dinner yesterday, he canceled his birthday plans, me and Melina did it.

02:21:44.000 Like, I'm pretty sure I could explicitly say to him, like, hey dude, I like hanging out with you, but, like, two things.

02:21:49.000 One, I think hanging out with Nick is a really bad idea, and two, I'm not gonna be on stream with you anymore if you do.

02:21:53.000 Like, you can do your thing, but I'm just letting you know.

02:21:55.000 Like, I could start pulling moves like that to get you uber blacklisted from everything, right?

02:22:00.000 And I could tell that to every single person that I associate with, and they're always going to choose me over you just because I'm not deep platform.

02:22:05.000 I've got a bigger audience.

02:22:06.000 Like, if you really want to see what being blacklisted by Desi feels like, I could start doing it.

02:22:10.000 I don't think I've ever done that to anybody in my life.

02:22:13.000 I think I've done that to one person.

02:22:16.000 Who was it? 1.00

02:22:17.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:22:19.000 Was it Haas or was it Hinkle? 1.00

02:22:21.000 There was some, there was some, if you go like really awkward, like, oh, I'll do it to the Alex Stein guy.

02:22:26.000 I won't be on anything with Alex Stein.

02:22:30.000 Oh, but I'll let them be on things with other people.

02:22:32.000 I usually just don't, oh, maybe the, even Anna, I was on panels with Anna.

02:22:36.000 Isn't that just like a threat?

02:22:37.000 I'm sitting here saying, yeah, I think that, you know, it's an excuse, basically.

02:22:43.000 He's excusing himself to try to slow this down, and he goes, well, I could, I could blacklist you.

02:22:49.000 Not even.

02:22:51.000 Even her I didn't like go like crazy blacklisting or whatever for anything.

02:22:56.000 And anyway, we'll just cut to the chase.

02:22:58.000 This is the part I want to show here.

02:23:02.000 This is from the Sneeko panel.

02:23:04.000 So, you know, I said earlier, remember that he said just take what I said for face value?

02:23:09.000 This is when I was on a panel with Jadeon, Don, Abba, Sneeko,

02:23:17.000 And Destiny joined in, in the middle of it, to say, I gotta stop this guy from saying what he believes.

02:23:23.000 This is from just a month ago.

02:23:25.000 It's cause you called me racist! 1.00

02:23:27.000 You're fucking racist! 1.00

02:23:29.000 I love you as a black man! 1.00

02:23:29.000 I love black people! 1.00

02:23:31.000 I swear to God it would make my fucking ears tingle. 0.99

02:23:54.000 Okay, just before we jump into this, okay, I just... Be clear about who you're talking to, what the goal of the conversation is, okay? 0.98

02:24:02.000 Nick has a political movement, a political ideology.

02:24:04.000 His goal is not to sell you truth or to sell you a critical thought process.

02:24:08.000 Okay, that was for... that was for openers.

02:24:11.000 Can't you just take what I say at face value?

02:24:14.000 Come on, man.

02:24:15.000 I'm exactly who I say I am.

02:24:17.000 Can't you just take it at face value when I say that?

02:24:21.000 This is what he opened with.

02:24:22.000 This is what he opened with.

02:24:24.000 When I was on a stream with Sneeko, Abba, and Jadeon,

02:24:29.000 This was the opener.

02:24:31.000 Keep in mind who you're talking to. 0.99

02:24:33.000 A liar.

02:24:34.000 His goal is not to tell the truth. 0.95

02:24:54.000 Okay, that was for openers.

02:24:55.000 That was for openers as you're not a trustworthy person, you lie, your job is not to tell the truth.

02:25:04.000 You're wrong about if I thought that race and IQ was a wrong argument, I wouldn't push it.

02:25:10.000 I wish it was wrong.

02:25:12.000 I've had my entire life destroyed because I say these things.

02:25:14.000 You think I'm saying these things because it's like doing me a big favor?

02:25:18.000 I'm banned from airlines and banks, I'm under investigation by the FBI, subpoenaed by Congress, in part because I say these kinds of things.

02:25:25.000 So no, I go where the truth leads me.

02:25:27.000 If I was to have a conversation with Nick about the value of like, what do you think about like the soft sciences?

02:25:31.000 What do you think about like psychologists and political scientists, Nick, in general?

02:25:36.000 Me?

02:25:37.000 Yeah.

02:25:38.000 I think there's some validity to that, but I don't put a lot of stock in empiricism, to be honest.

02:25:42.000 Sure, so he doesn't put a lot of stock in those things, okay?

02:25:44.000 The bell curve was written by a psychologist and a political scientist.

02:25:47.000 These aren't genetics researchers.

02:25:48.000 These aren't intelligence researchers.

02:25:50.000 These aren't people that did huge dialogues.

02:25:51.000 Not true.

02:25:52.000 You get this guy, really?

02:25:54.000 Not true.

02:25:55.000 It absolutely is true.

02:25:56.000 Charles Murray is a- Not true.

02:25:58.000 Who can't follow, yeah, this guy making his face, can't even follow a clear line of thought here.

02:26:04.000 What do you think about the soft sciences?

02:26:06.000 I think they're valid, but I don't put a ton of stock in them.

02:26:09.000 Well, one book was written by a psychologist.

02:26:12.000 Political scientist.

02:26:13.000 I'm not just talking about Charles Murray.

02:26:15.000 That's fine, but I'm just saying that the book The Bell Curve, if that book was about any other topic, you would dismiss it so quickly because of the scientific disciplines that those authors come from, you wouldn't even consider it for a second.

02:26:26.000 That's not true.

02:26:42.000 Point being is that you're descended from people that come from Africa.

02:26:46.000 And you could say, well, what does white mean?

02:26:47.000 Well, white means descended from people that come from Europe.

02:26:51.000 And you're right.

02:26:52.000 It's not... Where do the Europeans come from?

02:26:54.000 I mean, technically, aren't we all descended from Africa?

02:26:56.000 If you want to get technical about it.

02:26:57.000 The ADL.

02:26:59.000 And not only is that an interruption, but that's just totally meant to derail.

02:27:03.000 What is white?

02:27:03.000 What is black?

02:27:04.000 Well, they're people who come from different continents.

02:27:05.000 Well, didn't we all come from Africa?

02:27:07.000 Well, it's a group founded in defense of a Jewish guy 100 years ago. 0.99

02:27:12.000 Who raped some girl. 0.72

02:27:14.000 The ADL can go in and- To be clear, he didn't. 0.89

02:27:15.000 That's not true.

02:27:16.000 That's fake news.

02:27:16.000 Oh, okay, sure.

02:27:17.000 The ADL can go in and they can flag- Was that really all you said?

02:27:21.000 I feel like I remember there being a leaked phone call and some other stuff that came out, too, that got you kicked out of school, too, no?

02:27:25.000 Was that- Yeah, yeah, that is something that happened. 0.99

02:27:27.000 Something about, like, if a white girl dates a black person, it's the same as, like, fucking a dog, something like that, maybe? 0.99

02:27:33.000 Now, look at the reaction to that. 1.00

02:27:37.000 Would you say that me having sex with my dog is the same thing as me having sex with a black man? 1.00

02:27:40.000 No. 1.00

02:27:40.000 But they would both be degenerate. 1.00

02:28:01.000 Wait, wait, hold on, hold on, wait, wait, hold on.

02:28:03.000 And I'm trying to remember, because I legit don't remember.

02:28:04.000 We can bring up the recording.

02:28:05.000 Did you say, no, it's not the same, it's worse?

02:28:07.000 No, no, I did not say that.

02:28:09.000 Somebody link me that online.

02:28:10.000 Let me link the call.

02:28:11.000 I want to hear it.

02:28:11.000 I need to hear it.

02:28:12.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:28:14.000 I got to hear it.

02:28:14.000 You're completely misrepresenting it.

02:28:19.000 So, and here's the best part is, you know, does he say, oh, you didn't say that?

02:28:24.000 OK.

02:28:25.000 He goes, I got to see it.

02:28:27.000 Somebody link it up, like trying to catch me in a lie, when he's misinterpreting it.

02:28:32.000 Because I kept saying, hey, why did we send all this foreign aid to Israel?

02:28:36.000 Why did Israel blow up the USS Liberty?

02:28:38.000 Why have the Jews been expelled from 109 countries?

02:28:42.000 Like, you know, jokingly, what's going on with that?

02:28:44.000 Jokingly, or?

02:28:46.000 Well, jokingly, but also an inquiry.

02:28:47.000 And they said, well, you know, you can't work for us because those are hateful questions.

02:28:52.000 Those are hateful questions.

02:28:53.000 You can't talk about that.

02:28:54.000 We're never going to hire you.

02:28:56.000 So there was this girl, Cassie Dillon, who had it out for me.

02:28:59.000 Because I went against the Jews, okay? 1.00

02:29:01.000 So then I go to this job training... When he says that, what he means is because he was anti-Semitic.

02:29:06.000 There's a lot of coded language in here, but okay.

02:29:07.000 Okay, a lot of coded... Because he was anti-Semitic, a lot of coded language.

02:29:15.000 So then it's like we stayed overnight.

02:29:16.000 It's our last night there.

02:29:17.000 Long story. 0.98

02:29:19.000 Anyway, to make the long story short, we're all just talking, and I'm playing devil's advocate, we're talking about things, and I said, you know, you can laugh, but this is bullshit that this happens. 0.99

02:29:29.000 And there's this girl in there, who's a total whore, by the way, and she's friends with... Totally unnecessary, but okay. 0.99

02:29:34.000 Well, she was. 1.00

02:29:35.000 She has the name of a whore. 1.00

02:29:37.000 And I think I'm among friends, but then I get a little girl filming me covertly. 1.00

02:29:43.000 Yeah, it's that.

02:29:44.000 It's that derisive.

02:29:45.000 Yeah, that's the face of good faith, by the way.

02:29:48.000 That's a faith of just, just, can't we just, can't we just engage in good faith?

02:29:53.000 I mean, I'm just a pretty honest guy and everything.

02:29:56.000 Yeah, that's the face of good faith, by the way.

02:29:58.000 Saying, so you think, so what you're saying.

02:30:00.000 That's a face, that's a face you make when you're in a good faith, respectful conversation, you know.

02:30:08.000 Saying, so you think, so what you're saying is this?

02:30:12.000 No.

02:30:12.000 Okay, first of all, I don't have to print him as a white supremacist.

02:30:14.000 He already says he's a white supremacist.

02:30:16.000 I've never, which by the way, I've never said that.

02:30:18.000 For one.

02:30:19.000 I don't say that.

02:30:19.000 Number two, the phone call did happen and he didn't admit until I brought up, which was true.

02:30:23.000 Didn't admit until I brought up.

02:30:30.000 Yeah, right, yeah.

02:30:30.000 I feel like I remember there being a leaked phone call and some other stuff that came out too that got you kicked out of school too, no?

02:30:35.000 Yeah, yeah, that is something that happened.

02:30:37.000 See, so he said that I pretended it didn't happen.

02:30:40.000 Yeah, right, yeah.

02:30:42.000 I feel like I remember being covertly saying, so you think, so... First of all, I don't have to print him as a white supremacist.

02:30:47.000 He already says he's a white supremacist.

02:30:48.000 Number one, okay?

02:30:49.000 Number two, the phone call did happen.

02:30:51.000 He didn't admit until I brought up, which was true. 1.00

02:30:53.000 Didn't admit until I brought up.

02:30:57.000 Which is why I keep asking, what did you say?

02:30:58.000 Did you say that?

02:30:59.000 Did you say that?

02:31:00.000 And he did mention that they were both degenerate.

02:31:01.000 So, I was correct on every point.

02:31:02.000 That's different!

02:31:03.000 No, no, no.

02:31:04.000 No, no. 1.00

02:31:04.000 Go post shit. 1.00

02:31:05.000 The only reason we're even talking about the phone call right now is because I brought it up because you tried to obfuscate by not bringing up that phone call, which was, I think, a big part of why people got really mad at you in 2017. 0.99

02:31:14.000 Listen, you could play everything back, but this is what they do.

02:31:19.000 Okay, so that's that's the first one.

02:31:21.000 We don't have to go.

02:31:22.000 This one's seven minutes.

02:31:22.000 We don't have to go through.

02:31:24.000 Say them in front of an official audience publicly.

02:31:26.000 No, hold on.

02:31:27.000 You don't get to hang your hat.

02:31:28.000 But this is what happens.

02:31:29.000 Hang on, hang on.

02:31:30.000 But this is the problem.

02:31:31.000 And so things like that are going to be blown up, misconstrued.

02:31:34.000 Like you just said, didn't you say it's this?

02:31:36.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

02:31:43.000 No, no.

02:31:43.000 You're trying to throw your job to misrepresent, misconstrue, and bury anybody with a different opinion.

02:31:48.000 You're not being misrepresented or misconstrued, though, Nick.

02:31:51.000 Because you keep obfuscating.

02:31:52.000 You're lying so much.

02:31:57.000 You did misrepresent the phone call as soon as you brought it up, Destiny.

02:32:00.000 I was the only one that brought up the phone call.

02:32:01.000 He denied the phone call even existed.

02:32:02.000 I was asking what he said on it.

02:32:03.000 You're calling him a racist every day.

02:32:05.000 Keep in mind that when he says he's for the other races, he means he's for them going back to their countries and living there in harmony, okay?

02:32:11.000 That's what he means when he says that.

02:32:14.000 You've been right in front of him, Sneaker.

02:32:15.000 I want to hear what your opinion is.

02:32:16.000 The world is a complex place, and so really all countries are in some sense

02:32:21.000 They have different ethnicities.

02:32:22.000 The least diverse are the least violent, and the most diverse are the most violent, and the most civil disorder. 1.00

02:32:27.000 But look at us!

02:32:28.000 Look at us!

02:32:29.000 Wait, wait, wait.

02:32:30.000 Just one quick question.

02:32:32.000 Now, because earlier you were saying... Well, you just finished.

02:32:34.000 I didn't interrupt you, pal.

02:32:36.000 Okay, he's just going to ramble for 20 minutes. 1.00

02:32:37.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:32:38.000 I'm not going to ramble. 1.00

02:32:38.000 I'm going to live with that. 1.00

02:32:39.000 Okay, Destiny, go ahead.

02:32:40.000 I counted.

02:32:41.000 It's just 30 seconds.

02:32:41.000 Yeah, sure.

02:32:42.000 Okay, so I just want to be clear.

02:32:43.000 Like, notice how slipper he is between how he defines positions.

02:32:46.000 Earlier, we were talking about how, like... But it is to say, is it a good idea to import 30 million immigrants in 30 years? 0.83

02:32:52.000 No.

02:32:52.000 Probably not.

02:32:53.000 So, two points on that.

02:32:54.000 So, number one, this is just a quick question.

02:32:56.000 Do you know what race Neeko is? 1.00

02:32:59.000 I do, actually.

02:32:59.000 Yeah, he's Haitian, Asian, and white.

02:33:01.000 And would you have known that just looking at him without knowing his background?

02:33:05.000 Would I know that he's mixed race?

02:33:07.000 Yes.

02:33:07.000 Would you know what his races are?

02:33:09.000 Because you said you could tell everybody's race on the panel.

02:33:12.000 Like I said, I could tell he's a mix between black and white, which he is.

02:33:15.000 Would I guess he's Asian?

02:33:18.000 Maybe not.

02:33:18.000 So you can't tell the race of people immediately in this very diverse sense you talk about, when Africa's the most diverse place in the world.

02:33:24.000 I just did!

02:33:24.000 So number one... He's mixed race!

02:33:26.000 That's not an answer.

02:33:27.000 Mixed race is not an answer. 1.00

02:33:27.000 It's number one. 1.00

02:33:28.000 Yes it is!

02:33:28.000 It's a mix between black and white!

02:33:30.000 You said something earlier that was really important.

02:33:31.000 That's an answer!

02:33:31.000 You said that's not an answer.

02:33:32.000 So something you said earlier... Keep moving on, keep moving on.

02:33:34.000 Something that you said... Yeah, so it's not an answer because you said... Okay, so I mean we don't need to watch the whole thing, but the point is... And so, so that's, this has gone on for like, geez, this has gone on for like two hours.

02:33:46.000 I didn't know it was going to be that long.

02:33:49.000 So, the point is, I'm not going to be gaslit and told

02:33:53.000 You know, I'm just this like Good, you don't believe you don't take what I say at face value.

02:33:59.000 It's like why I don't I here's the thing I think the destiny says what he believes I think he believes what he says and I think that he's not afraid of alienating his audience But yeah, I think that he dodged this debate 100% I think he dodged it.

02:34:14.000 I think he blew this big tech thing out of proportion and that's evidenced by the fact that He

02:34:23.000 He went out there and retweeted, uh, what's his name, uh, Mr. Girl first.

02:34:28.000 Then, instead of bringing me on to talk about it while I'm texting him, he brings on everybody else.

02:34:32.000 It's my fault, but bring on everybody else.

02:34:34.000 Hey, are you gonna let me on?

02:34:35.000 Oh, I don't know, talk to someone else.

02:34:37.000 Okay.

02:34:40.000 And then he's gonna tell Sneaker, oh yeah, well, this took down Mr. Girl, and...

02:34:45.000 So I think that it was totally part of a chilling.

02:34:48.000 And when you look at this, it's apparent his goal is not to engage in good faith.

02:34:53.000 Maybe he means what he says about the Mr. Girl thing?

02:34:56.000 But the idea that we're just, um, you know, I'm coming at it with my heart on my sleeve.

02:35:02.000 And I really do think that Destiny is, uh, bad faith when he says, oh, it's such a big deal, Mr. Girl.

02:35:10.000 I get where he's coming from, but I don't think that's the whole reason.

02:35:13.000 And I do think he's concealing his real view about IQ or he's just afraid of where it goes.

02:35:18.000 That's how I feel about it.

02:35:18.000 I've come at it with good faith from the whole time.

02:35:21.000 He's come at it from this perspective of, well, I want to use you to help myself, and that may help you along the way, but not help you too much.

02:35:29.000 And that's evidenced by the fact that he jumps onto this debate to do nothing other than interrupt me, call me a liar, lie about me, misstate my views, make me look bad by saying, oh, he said this, everyone freaks out, and then I have to spend 10 minutes clarifying it.

02:35:46.000 And so suffice to say, is it unbelievable that he would maybe not burn the bridge, but ice it a little bit?

02:35:54.000 Come up with some kind of paltry excuse to put some ice on it because maybe he senses he doesn't like exactly the level of how much it's helping one or the other person? 0.94

02:36:05.000 Based on what we just saw, where he comes on and says, Nick's a liar. 1.00

02:36:09.000 He's a liar. 0.99

02:36:10.000 He's afraid of my arguments. 0.99

02:36:11.000 It's just constant attack the source, attack the source, attack the source.

02:36:15.000 Attack your honesty.

02:36:16.000 Attack your credibility.

02:36:18.000 Wait, Nick said that I'm an honest guy.

02:36:21.000 Just take what I say at face value.

02:36:23.000 So I want to let you be the judge.

02:36:26.000 This is the case.

02:36:27.000 This is the latest drama.

02:36:28.000 This is the case.

02:36:30.000 And I want to know what you think.

02:36:33.000 I want to know what your thoughts are.

02:36:35.000 Let me know in the Super Chats.

02:36:37.000 Send in a 1 if you think Destiny's telling the truth.

02:36:41.000 And he really is just very concerned about Mr. Girl being reported and he's concerned that he might get reported or that it's affecting his friends or something.

02:36:51.000 He's worried about the implications of that, even though we all disavowed it.

02:36:56.000 Press 1 if he's telling the truth.

02:36:57.000 He backed out of the JFK debate because he just doesn't know.

02:37:01.000 And he really doesn't know anything about IQ and how much is genetic or it's too complicated.

02:37:07.000 And press 2 if you think that

02:37:11.000 There's a little bit of concealment going on.

02:37:13.000 Press 2 if you think that there's something else going on there.

02:37:17.000 There's other reasons.

02:37:19.000 Although we may be honest overall.

02:37:21.000 Let me know what you think.

02:37:22.000 It's too complicated.

02:37:23.000 Let's get a count here.

02:37:24.000 Whoops.

02:37:26.000 It's looking like mostly 2's.

02:37:27.000 I presented the case!

02:37:28.000 I presented the case!

02:37:31.000 And you know, yeah, I am doing the show, so he doesn't have a defense attorney here.

02:37:36.000 But I presented the case from my perspective.

02:37:38.000 Admittedly, it's my perspective.

02:37:40.000 Well, let me know what you think.

02:37:42.000 I've seen a lot of twos.

02:37:44.000 And let me know what you think in the superchats as well.

02:37:48.000 And we'll get into those in a moment.

02:37:52.000 And here's what I'll say.

02:37:54.000 Here's what I'll say.

02:37:56.000 I don't think he's afraid of his audience, but I do think that he's an ideological actor.

02:38:03.000 And everything that he says about how I'm leading a political movement and I have this audience capture and so on, I think is true about him.

02:38:10.000 I think that his positions are derived from fundamentally irrational positions, which he doesn't really want to defend very strongly.

02:38:20.000 You know, like he'll say, for example, I think Big Tech is scary.

02:38:23.000 I think it's scary that Big Tech banned Andrew Tate.

02:38:26.000 But that's all he'll say.

02:38:27.000 I think that's scary.

02:38:29.000 Well, okay, don't you want to see where that goes?

02:38:31.000 Don't you want to follow that trail?

02:38:34.000 Like, he said when Andrew Tate got banned from everything all at once, and when Trump got banned, he said it's scary that they have that much power.

02:38:39.000 Anyway, wouldn't you be interested in that?

02:38:42.000 Okay, can Chief Trumpster stop spamming the live chat?

02:38:45.000 Wouldn't you be interested in that?

02:38:47.000 And when I got put on the no-fly list, he goes, well that's tricky.

02:38:50.000 It's like, well is it tricky?

02:38:51.000 Are you for it or against it?

02:38:55.000 And he says about conspiracies, well the FBI can conspire.

02:38:59.000 Okay, well aren't you interested if the FBI or the NSA or whomever?

02:39:03.000 No, not really.

02:39:05.000 IQ, maybe it's genetic, maybe it's not.

02:39:07.000 Again, you know, what's the basis?

02:39:10.000 Did a girl play piano once? 0.99

02:39:13.000 So I think that he's got these very strong convictions that are fundamentally stacked on top of sand.

02:39:20.000 And he feigns disinterest, he feigns condescension when those things are challenged.

02:39:28.000 And attacks the source and lashes out and says, well you're lying, well you're dishonest, well you're a political actor.

02:39:34.000 And here's the thing.

02:39:35.000 He can say all he wants, and I'm the leader of a movement, and so I represent people, and he just represents himself, but there's another factor that he's missing.

02:39:46.000 I also happen to be a guy that has paid a heavy price for my views.

02:39:53.000 Paid a real price.

02:39:57.000 And I would also say, before we even get into that, he's a leader of a movement too.

02:40:00.000 He can say all he wants.

02:40:01.000 Well, I speak for myself.

02:40:02.000 He leads a movement as well.

02:40:04.000 He donates to charities.

02:40:05.000 He's organized people walking and knocking on doors.

02:40:11.000 And he's organized things for politics and tried to run candidates.

02:40:14.000 Just because it didn't work very well doesn't mean he's not running a movement.

02:40:18.000 He calls it the Omni-Liberal Movement.

02:40:19.000 Of course he's running a movement.

02:40:21.000 Of course he is.

02:40:22.000 Do you think he could wake up and become a right-wing person any more than I could wake up and become a left-wing person?

02:40:27.000 The idea that I'm subject to forces that he isn't, that's just not true.

02:40:31.000 That's for openers.

02:40:33.000 But the other thing is, you know, the idea that I have never engaged with liberalism is just not true on its face.

02:40:41.000 It would be easier for me to be a liberal.

02:40:43.000 It would be easier for me.

02:40:44.000 If I engage with liberalism, my life would get better.

02:40:48.000 When he says, well, Nick can't change his views, he leads a movement.

02:40:51.000 Perhaps, be that as it may, if I changed my views my life would get easier, not harder.

02:40:58.000 My life would inarguably get better.

02:41:01.000 Inarguably.

02:41:04.000 When you look at everything, like I'm banned from... Do you think I would remain banned from all these things if I just woke up and became a liberal?

02:41:11.000 I would be re... I was driving past my high school the other day and thinking about how sad it is that I can't go back and visit my old teachers because I'm a pariah.

02:41:20.000 We're good to go.

02:41:37.000 Whereas he, if he embraced these views, he's embracing something that's completely against the mainstream and something that would make his life way worse.

02:41:44.000 If he woke up and embraced race and IQ, he would get banned, he would get decimated.

02:41:49.000 And there are also views that are not popular.

02:41:52.000 So, I think to say, you know...

02:41:59.000 I don't know if that makes him a liar.

02:42:02.000 I don't know if that means that he's lying about what he believes.

02:42:05.000 But it's about a willingness. 0.98

02:42:08.000 You know, some people are willing... willingly ignorant.

02:42:13.000 Some people are willingly...

02:42:16.000 You know, sort of enmeshed in a certain kind of view, and I think that's what it is.

02:42:20.000 And I also think that as an activist, he is playing a game here.

02:42:23.000 To say that, you know, when some people ask him, we're measuring who's benefiting more from the conversations, and it's very fierce and it's somewhat competitive, but when I call him out and say, yeah, he backed out of this debate, because he did, and I think he's just making up excuses, he goes,

02:42:44.000 Come on.

02:42:45.000 Let me be me.

02:42:47.000 Take what I say at Faith Valley.

02:42:48.000 You can't have it both ways.

02:42:49.000 You can't come into the debate and say, you're a liar, you lead a movement, so all you tell is lies, and I'm gonna stop you from saying your message, and we're in a war to see who can steal more fans, and my views are better than ever.

02:43:02.000 And then, when you back out of a debate, and you spread something which is really not really fair about me, and I call you out and say, yeah, that's not really true, and you come to say,

02:43:12.000 Me?

02:43:13.000 Take what I say at face value.

02:43:15.000 So the thing is, so here's the thing.

02:43:18.000 So I like Steven.

02:43:21.000 I do.

02:43:21.000 I like him.

02:43:22.000 And I think he is honest. 1.00

02:43:25.000 But I'm not going to let him spew his bullshit. 0.99

02:43:28.000 I'm not going to let him, you know, if he wants to back out of the debate, fine. 0.99

02:43:34.000 But you backed out of the debate.

02:43:37.000 You're a debate bro, you know, you're gonna come in and rain on my parade when I'm in a stream to answer every view that I have and then you pull out of the debate and you come up with this lame excuse about, oh well, I already did a debate so, and oh well, Mr. Girl's channel got banned or something.

02:43:53.000 Wasn't he just saying a few months ago that people get banned because they break the rules?

02:43:59.000 Seems to be what happened in that case.

02:44:02.000 Um...

02:44:03.000 So yeah, I think that's... I just don't buy it.

02:44:07.000 I don't think that that makes him a fundamentally dishonest person.

02:44:10.000 But I think that he is somebody who has his convictions, and then when he gets in these situations, I think almost unconsciously, he throws up the... he deploys these tactics.

02:44:21.000 The derisive laughter, the interruptions, the pretend not to know what you're talking about, and misinterpret.

02:44:28.000 He says he's a white supremacist.

02:44:29.000 No, I never said that.

02:44:31.000 So...

02:44:34.000 You know.

02:44:36.000 So that's what I think.

02:44:38.000 I like him.

02:44:39.000 I hope we can continue to collaborate, but... And here's the thing.

02:44:44.000 And like I said, I didn't support Big Tech flagging his channel.

02:44:48.000 I agree that that constitutes some level of disrespect, but I think that that was utilized.

02:44:57.000 I think that was blown out of proportion and utilized.

02:44:59.000 I don't think that has any bearing on anything other than what it was.

02:45:02.000 You know, I said I wanted Mr. Girl on YouTube.

02:45:05.000 I denied the day of.

02:45:06.000 I said, we didn't report you to YouTube.

02:45:08.000 I said, in fact, we want you on YouTube.

02:45:11.000 And Destiny goes in and says, oh, well, he's in your community, mate.

02:45:16.000 And doesn't even let me on to respond.

02:45:18.000 I said, hey, let me on, let me on.

02:45:20.000 He ignores me.

02:45:20.000 He brings on everybody else.

02:45:23.000 I said, oh, will you let me on now?

02:45:25.000 We'll get Brittany to call you in.

02:45:26.000 Okay?

02:45:29.000 So I don't know.

02:45:30.000 I think that that... I don't know if I buy it.

02:45:33.000 I don't know if I buy that one.

02:45:35.000 So let's just... Let's just agree to be honest, okay?

02:45:38.000 If you're good faith, I'll be good faith.

02:45:41.000 And I said I don't support... I don't want people to flag down Destiny and his friends.

02:45:46.000 But you can't hold me accountable for everything that everyone on my site says.

02:45:49.000 It's just not even right.

02:45:50.000 Especially when I explicitly disagreed with it.

02:45:53.000 Before, during, and after.

02:45:55.000 You can't say, oh, well, I don't know.

02:45:57.000 Now I'm worried about getting flagged.

02:45:59.000 Dude, I went on your stream and told you to your face.

02:46:01.000 I admonished him in front of you and your stream that we don't agree with that.

02:46:07.000 So, anyway, but it's good to see.

02:46:09.000 I mean, I don't know if you guys agree or not.

02:46:16.000 With my assessment of it.

02:46:19.000 See somebody in my chat saying report and I just banned them, okay?

02:46:25.000 But um But yeah, so I don't know I don't I guess we didn't need to get too much into this it's a little bit gossipy but um

02:46:38.000 But there's nothing else going on in the news, so... So I wanted to jump in there and say my piece, make my voice heard on that.

02:46:46.000 Yeah, I think that, you know, I've been nice to Destiny, but I've let him get away with a lot.

02:46:51.000 Now I'm just gonna call him on it, you know?

02:46:53.000 I've been trying to be, in the spirit of being friendly, I've kind of taken a lot on the chin, but I'm not gonna let him sit there and say the Groipers are going out there and doing that.

02:47:03.000 It's not true.

02:47:04.000 And he backed out of the debate.

02:47:06.000 Sorry, but you can't be the vanguard inquisitor of Joe Biden liberalism and answer every time I go on a sneko stream, he's gonna be there to interrupt me.

02:47:18.000 Every time I go on with Jitian, he's gonna be on there to interrupt me. 1.00

02:47:21.000 When we schedule a debate one-on-one with JFK, oh, he just disappears and pretends it never happens. 0.99

02:47:28.000 That's bullshit. 0.99

02:47:30.000 I'm calling him on it. 1.00

02:47:31.000 You backed out of the debate.

02:47:33.000 And if you are not afraid of it, let's reschedule.

02:47:36.000 Reschedule, stream it on Cozy, not YouTube.

02:47:38.000 Stream it on Cozy, where no one can even strike you down if they wanted to.

02:47:43.000 I'm challenging you, reschedule the debate.

02:47:46.000 If you're not chicken, if you're not just evading, if you're in good faith, okay, then debate me on JFK.

02:47:52.000 Like you agreed to, like you eagerly, because I didn't even suggest a debate, he did.

02:47:56.000 He came up, when we were on that stream, he jumps in there,

02:48:01.000 To say, uh, oh, you know, oh, yeah, let's debate.

02:48:04.000 When do you want to debate it?

02:48:06.000 He put it on the calendar.

02:48:07.000 I said, okay, I don't really want to do that, but I'll do it.

02:48:11.000 And then he's gonna back out and say it's my fault.

02:48:13.000 Really?

02:48:15.000 So, uh, that's lame. 0.99

02:48:18.000 You can't go around, you know, you're gonna rain on my parade every time I go and talk about this stuff, then we do a one-on-one debate and, you know, you come up with this bullshit excuse 0.95

02:48:30.000 Sorry, I mean listen, I'm your friend. 0.98

02:48:32.000 I'm not gonna let you get away with that.

02:48:33.000 I know we're friendly, I know we're best buddies, and I think you're an honest guy, but sorry, I'm not gonna let you get away with that.

02:48:38.000 Nice try.

02:48:40.000 Same thing with the IQ thing.

02:48:42.000 We could debate about that too.

02:48:44.000 Let's settle it.

02:48:45.000 Let's figure it out.

02:48:46.000 Let's settle it.

02:48:47.000 Let's do a race and IQ debate.

02:48:50.000 Let's do a debate about

02:48:54.000 JFK, let's settle it.

02:48:56.000 You and me.

02:48:57.000 You're the liberal, I'm the conservative.

02:48:59.000 If you're not the leader of a political movement, and you're willing to let your mind be changed, and you're after the truth, then let's do it.

02:49:07.000 If I'm just a dishonest guy, cherry-picking, then you have nothing to fear.

02:49:12.000 You're not afraid where this is going to go.

02:49:14.000 You're not afraid of the audience response.

02:49:16.000 Let's settle it.

02:49:17.000 Let's settle all the issues.

02:49:20.000 Let's settle race and IQ. 0.74

02:49:21.000 Let's settle a JFK debate.

02:49:23.000 Let's settle it.

02:49:24.000 Let's make it conclusive.

02:49:28.000 We can have Sneeko on there if he's interested.

02:49:31.000 But, you know, you're not going to go on there and ankle-bite me when I'm on this panel.

02:49:37.000 And then we're going to go one-on-one and settle it, and you're going to do this thing.

02:49:41.000 You're going to ambush me with 9-11, and then you're going to pull out of the JFK one. 0.93

02:49:44.000 That's really convenient, don't you think?

02:49:48.000 So...

02:49:54.000 That's my view.

02:49:55.000 I think it's... I think the response will be telling.

02:50:02.000 I mean, you have my word.

02:50:03.000 The Groepers will not report you. 1.00

02:50:05.000 Nobody will report you.

02:50:06.000 Nobody will report your friends.

02:50:07.000 I'm saying it right now.

02:50:09.000 I disavow anybody that goes out reporting Destiny or his friends, okay?

02:50:13.000 That's from me.

02:50:14.000 Anybody who does that is going to be sanctioned by me, 100%.

02:50:19.000 Anybody who does that is banned from AfPak.

02:50:22.000 Henceforth,

02:50:23.000 You try and flag Destiny, you try and flag his friends on stream, you know, if there's evidence of it, I'm not gonna, you know... If people did what Destiny said Big Tech did, if that's my responsibility, okay.

02:50:36.000 If anybody does that, they're banned from AfPak. 0.97

02:50:38.000 How's that?

02:50:40.000 Take it to the bank.

02:50:42.000 Now that that's settled, now that that issue's settled, there should be no reason why I shouldn't be able to defend those ideas.

02:50:54.000 So, and if we're both committed to being honest, then we don't need to call each other liars or slippery or say that one's a political actor or whatever.

02:51:04.000 We can both, if you take what I say at face value, then I will take what you say at face value.

02:51:09.000 I'll say, you know what, you're right, and we admonish anybody and we sanction anybody that does that.

02:51:14.000 And we can agree to a Rules of Engagement.

02:51:17.000 If that's the agreement, then consider it agreed upon.

02:51:20.000 And you have my word.

02:51:21.000 And if you see anybody doing that, let me know and they will be banned from AFPAC.

02:51:25.000 Okay?

02:51:26.000 And if those are the agreed upon rules, and we agree that we're both good faith actors, then we can proceed with this good faith conversation that you want to have.

02:51:35.000 If you're not afraid, if you're not concerned where it's going to go, and you want the best ideas to win, then it's off to the races as far as I'm concerned.

02:51:43.000 Unless there's something else.

02:51:45.000 But put your money where your mouth is.

02:51:46.000 I put my money where my mouth is.

02:51:49.000 If that was the concern, consider it done.

02:51:51.000 That's me putting my money where my mouth is.

02:51:55.000 If the reason you backed out of the debate was because of what Big Tech said, okay.

02:51:59.000 If anyone says what Big Tech said again, they're banned from AFPAC.

02:52:03.000 Okay?

02:52:03.000 That's me putting my money where my mouth is.

02:52:06.000 Now if you're saying that that was the only reason that you don't want to engage anymore, because we need to agree on rules of engagement, consider it agreed upon and enforceable.

02:52:15.000 Now there's... Now use can't leave.

02:52:18.000 There you go.

02:52:20.000 There it is. 0.99

02:52:26.000 Unless there's some other thing, because what we heard is, well, we scheduled the 9-11 debate, well that's bullshit, you know it. 0.96

02:52:35.000 And if the concern was the rules of engagement, consider it done. 0.99

02:52:38.000 Consider it done, and you can call me a liar at any point, show me evidence henceforth of someone doing that, I will ban their ass, I will say it publicly. 0.92

02:52:49.000 From Afpac, not from Cozy, it's a free speech platform. 0.99

02:52:52.000 But I will admonish them, I will ban their ass so fast, and you can hold me accountable on that. 0.97

02:52:58.000 But now that the rules of engagement are agreed to, you're out of excuses, my friend. 0.99

02:53:02.000 If you were being good faith, then hey, I just answered your call.

02:53:06.000 Donezo.

02:53:08.000 Unless there's something else.

02:53:09.000 But now we will see.

02:53:11.000 Now we will see. 1.00

02:53:13.000 Because if he comes back and equivocates and says, oh, I don't know, then we know you're full of shit. 1.00

02:53:19.000 And if you come back and say, okay, rules of engagement agreed to, then we're good. 1.00

02:53:25.000 Done.

02:53:26.000 There's your framework.

02:53:27.000 There's your deal.

02:53:28.000 You got it.

02:53:30.000 If I'm responsible, then I'm responsible.

02:53:34.000 If the position wasn't clear before, it's clear now.

02:53:38.000 So, alright.

02:53:39.000 With that out of the way, we're gonna move on.

02:53:43.000 And we'll see what our Super Chats are.

02:53:46.000 Oh, that E-Drama is taken care of.

02:53:48.000 All-important E-Drama.

02:53:51.000 Let me pull these up.

02:53:52.000 We'll see what we got here.

America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - September 10, 2022

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