RUSSIA WINS: EU In SHAMBLES Over Russian ENERGY EMBARGO | America First Ep. 1058RUSSIA WINS: EU In SHAMBLES Over Russian ENERGY EMBARGO | America First Ep. 1058
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00:01:22.000Our featured story is about the European energy crisis, which has now been ongoing for a couple of weeks.
00:01:31.000And a big meeting was held in Europe this week about whether or not to cap the amount of Russian gas that they'll be importing from Russia this winter.
00:01:42.000And the talks were completely unproductive.
00:01:46.000There's no way they can cap the gas, there's no way they can limit the imports, and they're all fighting each other.
00:01:53.000And so the Hungarians and the Polish and the Eastern European countries who are more dependent on the Russian gas are fighting all the Western European countries and they're basically discovering that they don't have any options.
00:02:08.000In case you haven't been paying attention, Russia has been shutting down most of the natural gas that they export to Europe through their pipelines, which is causing energy prices to soar.
00:02:21.000And this is causing widespread civil unrest.
00:02:24.000Massive protests in Prague, people refusing to pay their energy bills in Italy.
00:02:30.000In the United Kingdom this week, they're passing a law where they're going to cap the price of energy in the United Kingdom.
00:02:38.000In Germany, a recession is imminent because businesses are terrified they won't be able to afford to run their businesses.
00:02:48.000And this is all, of course, a response and retaliation for Europe's continued support of Ukraine in the Russian-Ukrainian war.
00:02:58.000And this has always been the check that Russia has held over Europe.
00:03:04.000Europe despises Russia, and Europe wants to destroy Russia, but yet Europe is completely dependent on Russia for their energy.
00:03:13.000And that's not something that they can just change overnight.
00:03:17.000The natural gas has got to come from somewhere.
00:03:21.000And it's going to come through the pipelines that have been built, the infrastructure that's been there.
00:03:25.000They can't just build new pipelines overnight and there's not enough liquefied gas that they can import in the world that exists at the moment.
00:03:38.000Russia has exercised its nuclear option.
00:03:40.000It's threatening to completely cut off Europe from natural gas.
00:03:45.000And the Europeans have come up with this plan that they say, well, you can't cut off our gas because we're not going to import that much gas.
00:03:53.000Well, the problem with that is what little they're getting, they need!
00:05:49.000But basically his buddy, Mr. Girl, got his channel banned on YouTube.
00:05:54.000Destiny is blaming that on me and saying that now he's trepidatious to continue talking to me because of that.
00:06:03.000And I said on my show the other night, I said, well, that just doesn't even make any sense.
00:06:08.000I said, and that sounds like a convenient excuse to ice what's been going on lately, which is that we've been talking to Sneako and we've been talking to Destiny and other creators
00:06:24.000I said, you know, me and Destiny were supposed to have a big debate on Tuesday, and he just sort of quietly backed out of that.
00:06:32.000And he's telling Sneako these things and other people, and it really doesn't even make that much sense.
00:06:37.000He's saying that, well, his friend got reported by somebody on my site, and we don't even know that that's why the friend got banned, but that's what's being insinuated, and somehow that
00:06:52.000Implicates me somehow I'm responsible for that and that's why he can't debate me on the JFK assassination I don't know that that any of that adds up, but So we talked a little bit about that on the super chat section last night and destiny responded to that I essentially said that That's a convenient excuse to bow out of the debate
00:07:56.000You know, I've been reviewing some of the posts on the forum and I've been reviewing some things on Telegram and
00:08:03.000You know, I said last night, look, he's saying that, but he doesn't really mean it.
00:08:09.000He's saying that because he's got this ulterior motive, he wanted to get out of the debate, he sees the way things are going and maybe he's not too happy about it, and he retorted and said, well, I'm being honest, you can't say I'm being dishonest.
00:08:24.000Of course, if anything, you're being dishonest.
00:08:26.000Well, then I go back, and not only do I not believe that,
00:08:31.000And I'll tell you why later, based on the clip.
00:08:35.000But also, I went back and I looked at the Sneeko panel, where it's me, Destiny, Sneeko, Jadeon, and all these other characters, and the guy's calling me a liar throughout the entire debate.
00:11:06.000It's been a couple years of trial here between January 6th and a lot of these betrayals and things.
00:11:14.000And you know what I've learned over the years is to trust my gut.
00:11:19.000Because, you know, a lot of people attack me and they say, you know, that I am narcissistic and I only listen to sycophants who agree with me.
00:11:29.000Yes-men who tell me what I want to hear.
00:11:32.000And that I won't listen to criticism, or I won't be open-minded.
00:11:37.000And if anything, in my experience, it's the opposite.
00:11:42.000If anything, when there's a contentious issue, I'm too open-minded, I'm too charitable, and too willing to hear out the case that I may be wrong.
00:11:54.000Because I always think I'm right, and I always have a very high confidence in my logic, in my thought process.
00:12:04.000And oftentimes, if a lot of people are telling me wrong, I'll go too far in saying, oh, you know, maybe I'm mistaken, maybe I just assumed the wrong thing or something.
00:12:17.000And what I've learned over the years is I really should have a little bit more trust in my gut and say, you know, when I'm right, I'm right.
00:12:25.000And that's not to say that I'm not going to, that's not to say I don't listen.
00:12:28.000It's not to say that I'm not open minded, but it is to say
00:13:03.000You know, he's saying that he wants to fight for my audience, I want to make good content, there's our engagement, there's the way the community responds to it, and so on.
00:13:14.000So I want your opinion, I want your take, and let me know what you think, because I know some people disagree, and I know a lot of people agree, but we'll go through all of it.
00:13:23.000So that's going to be, that's where it's going to go.
00:13:51.000Our first story is about this Russian gas crisis, and in case you haven't been following it, it's really been spiraling out of control lately.
00:14:02.000And there's a lot of background here, so I guess we have to start from the beginning.
00:14:07.000We have to really start from the beginning.
00:14:11.000What you need to know about this, what you need to know about the situation here is that the European Union, particularly continental Europe, is almost completely reliant on Russian natural gas for their energy.
00:14:26.000And this energy politics has defined the Russian West dynamic since the fall of the Soviet Union.
00:14:39.000Which is to say that when the Western European countries are trying to pressure Russia to behave in a particular way or not behave in a particular way, this is always the impasse.
00:14:52.000That the European states are dependent on Russia for the energy, a big part of their energy mixture, a big proportion of
00:15:28.000But Europe is dependent on the natural gas from Russia to run their electrical grid, to run their entire society, to run their manufacturing, to run their businesses, to run their heating in their homes during the winter.
00:15:41.000And a large proportion, the further east you go, of the energy mixture comes from the natural gas that they get from the pipelines from Russia.
00:15:49.000So they need Russia because they need Russia's gas.
00:15:53.000They need Russia's gas to power their economy.
00:15:55.000And the gas is the lifeline of these countries.
00:15:59.000Without gas, you don't have electricity.
00:16:01.000Without electricity, you don't have economy.
00:16:06.000So they are dependent on Russia in a very meaningful way.
00:16:10.000It's not like it's not like in America where the effect on the global oil market causes gas prices at the pump to go up or that it causes a general inflation because fuel is more expensive because when fuel becomes, you know, it's a global market for energy so when there is
00:16:57.000And we're used to specialization and globalization and trade.
00:17:02.000And so, when we think about Russia cutting off energy, I think a lot of people are maybe given to the idea that, well, if they can't buy it from Russia, well, they'll just buy it from somebody else.
00:17:14.000Or, if they can't buy it from Russia, well, it just becomes more expensive, and gas has been expensive before.
00:17:23.000They can't get energy from anywhere else.
00:17:27.000To have energy, you need infrastructure to, if you're importing it, to import the energy, to distribute the energy, to refine the energy.
00:17:37.000There's all kinds of infrastructure, and I'm being a little bit simplistic here, but there's all kinds of infrastructure that needs to be put in place
00:17:46.000For example, if they get so much of their energy from natural gas that comes from pipelines, and they no longer have access to that, let's say they were going to replace that energy with nuclear energy.
00:17:58.000Well, you can't go out and just build a nuclear power plant in time for the winter.
00:18:03.000Because you need the energy to power the boilers and the furnaces.
00:18:08.000And the boilers and the furnaces need to come on in October or November.
00:19:03.000They'll pay more for the energy but at a certain point they just they just don't have enough.
00:19:07.000The substitutes even that they have for natural gas they have the gas that comes through the pipelines where again the infrastructure is there and it flows from Russia daily.
00:19:16.000The alternative to Russian gas is to import liquefied natural gas which is harvested in other places packaged up and shipped over on boats.
00:19:26.000But there's only so much liquefied natural gas in the world.
00:19:30.000There's only so much that is produced.
00:20:30.000Russia is dependent on the sale of the natural gas to Europe.
00:20:35.000So while Europe needs the natural gas to come through the pipes to support their electrical grid, and such a high proportion of their energy mixture comes from the natural gas that is imported through those pipelines, at the same time, Russia is dependent on that relationship because, of course, that energy is expensive.
00:20:57.000They are the energy merchant to Eastern and Western Europe, and that's very lucrative from Russia.
00:21:03.000And a large proportion of the Russian state revenue comes from the sale of natural gas.
00:21:12.000Before Russia's invasion of Ukraine, it was the 11th largest in the world.
00:21:17.000And relative to other European countries or other powerful countries, they don't have a high GDP per capita.
00:21:24.000They don't really have a lot going on economically.
00:21:28.000And so, just in a similar way, but different in important ways, in a similar way that Europe is dependent on Russia for their energy, Russia is to some extent dependent on the sale of that energy to support their government.
00:21:47.000Of all of their revenue comes from the sale of natural gas to Europe.
00:21:52.000So they are a petrostate or an energy state like Saudi Arabia or Nigeria or Venezuela in that they would not be able to support their government function with just the tax revenue from their economy, from the productive capacities of the people.
00:22:07.000They rely on the sale of commodities to support their military and their government.
00:22:12.000They would not be able to pay for their war.
00:22:14.000They would not be able to pay for their military without the money that the state makes from the sale of the natural gas.
00:22:23.000And that is the dynamic which has shaped the geopolitics on the continent.
00:22:28.000For the past 30 years, and even before that.
00:22:30.000The reason why the European Union and why the continental European countries cannot exert so much influence on Russia is because there's always the nuclear option that Russia could suspend the sale of natural gas for the short term.
00:22:47.000And in the short term, it definitely hurts Europe more to not have the gas than it hurts Russia to not have the money.
00:22:55.000If Russia cuts off the gas tomorrow, they don't have energy.
00:23:45.000Of course, when Russia invaded Ukraine earlier this year,
00:23:49.000The NATO countries and the Allied countries of the United States all imposed unprecedented sanctions on Russia.
00:23:57.000And Russia threatened to cut off the energy, but not until recently did they begin to ramp that up.
00:24:03.000All the European countries cut off Russia in ways that are completely unprecedented.
00:24:08.000All the usual sanctions against the leaders and the oligarchs and individuals within Russia, and banning Russians from traveling, and dismissing the diplomats, and banning most imports from Russia.
00:24:20.000But they also took it a step further and said that they would ban Russia from the international banking system.
00:24:26.000Ban Russia from trading their rubles for dollars or euros, which completely impedes on Russia's entire trade with the world.
00:24:35.000Because you may think, well if Russia can't exchange their rubles for dollars, well they can just conduct trade with China and India regardless.
00:24:45.000Well all international trade, for the most part, is denominated in dollars.
00:24:52.000It's the reserve currency of the world.
00:24:54.000It's the reference currency of the world.
00:24:56.000And so what that means is that even when Russia and China do business, they do business in dollars.
00:25:02.000So they'll trade their native currencies for a third-party currency, a strong currency, and that's how they're conducting their trade.
00:25:10.000Russia and China, Russia and India, Russia and other states.
00:25:13.000And so when NATO and the United States ban Russia from accessing their foreign currency reserves, ban Russia from accessing the dollars that they hold, ban Russia from transacting for dollars, they're not just
00:25:27.000Interrupting Russia's trade with the United States, which is relatively minimal.
00:25:31.000They're interrupting all of Russia's international trade.
00:25:34.000And they're repeating all of Russia's international trade.
00:25:38.000And they're damaging the Russian currency.
00:25:41.000Again, not just internationally, but domestically too.
00:25:44.000So these are the kinds of sanctions that you impose to destroy a country.
00:25:49.000These are not sanctions that you impose
00:25:52.000To deter a particular policy by a regime.
00:25:57.000This is not a sanction that you put in place to punish a regime for something that another country didn't like.
00:26:04.000These are sanctions, and they made this very clear, that they put in place to cause a revolution.
00:26:10.000They put these sanctions in place to destroy the Russian economy, and by destroying the Russian economy incite a revolution, incite widespread civil unrest, or a coup d'etat in the palace, in the Kremlin, where if the people didn't overthrow the Russian government because of
00:26:28.000So the sanctions were imposed to cause Putin to suffer the same fate as Saddam Hussein or Gaddafi, for Russia to suffer the same fate as Syria or Libya or Egypt.
00:27:44.000The Eurozone has been experiencing 9% inflation.
00:27:48.000We've been experiencing high gas prices for our cars and for fuel for planes and trains and automobiles.
00:27:57.000But Europe has been experiencing high, not just high gas prices at the pump for their cars, but high energy prices across the board.
00:28:04.000And a general inflation across the board.
00:28:07.000In addition to food shortages, because Russia's not just a supplier of energy, but also of fertilizer and of key agricultural products.
00:28:17.000And with this threat to completely shut off natural gas to Europe before the winter, it's threatening an all-out collapse.
00:28:24.000Because these economies in Western Europe and America have been bleeding throughout the entire year.
00:28:29.000High inflation, high deficit, supply chain issues, these economic issues which are still haunting us from COVID.
00:28:38.000In addition to shortages, food scarcity and food inflation and now before the winter it's going to get even worse because there'll be a total energy shortage and a huge spike in energy prices which will cause inflation to go even higher and deficits to go even higher and civil rest is already starting.
00:28:57.000So this is the article from Zero Hedge about
00:29:00.000The meeting that was had today, the European leaders were getting together to discuss their plan of action.
00:29:09.000And the idea that they floated was to cap their purchases of Russian gas.
00:29:14.000And if they say that they can cap the purchases of Russian gas, then I don't even understand what the goal is.
00:29:24.000I guess by capping the purchase of Russian gas, they're sort of saying, well, you can't cut off our gas because we're going to stop buying it.
00:29:36.000By capping the amount of gas that's purchased, well, you're necessarily going to have to ration the gas because there's only going to be so much gas.
00:29:44.000If you don't import all the gas that you need, well, people are going to have to use less energy.
00:29:50.000And isn't that... I mean that's what would happen if they shut off the supply of gas.
00:29:57.000But apparently they're trying to preempt that.
00:30:08.000It says, quote, An emergency meeting of EU energy ministers on Friday meant to reassure both energy companies and the European public regarding soaring prices and severely strained supply amid Russian countermeasures in response to Western sanctions is off to a shaky start.
00:30:24.000Rather than reassure anyone of anything, it's already clear the issue of a proposed cap on gas prices has only divided the bloc further, akin to the same prior question with oil.
00:30:35.000Leading the way in pointing out the flawed logic of the plan, Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto pointed out the blowback would be worse than the sting aimed at Russia.
00:30:47.000He said, quote, if price restrictions were to be imposed exclusively on Russian gas, that would evidently lead to an immediate cutoff in Russian gas supplies.
00:30:56.000It does not take a Nobel Prize to recognize that.
00:30:59.000Echoing prior words of Hungarian leader Viktor Orban, he said, quote, the plan would impose a price cap exclusively on Russian gas coming via pipelines is entirely against European and Hungarian interests.
00:31:12.000Josef Cichola, the Czech energy minister chairing the meeting, went into it echoing a Marshall tone with talk of engaging in energy war, which is unlikely to match any corresponding action.
00:31:25.000He said, quote, We are in an energy war with Russia.
00:31:29.000Putin is trying, by manipulating the market, to break the social peace in our countries, affect our way of life, and attack our economy.
00:31:37.000He said ministers were hoping to send a clear message that will calm down the markets by the end of the day.
00:31:42.000This, as over the course of the six-month Ukraine war, Russian gas supplies to the collective EU have been cut by 80% amid ominous reminders that winter is coming.
00:31:53.000And yet, with Italy, Poland, Hungary, and Greece standing out as among the most vocal opponents of such a cap, among at least 10 EU countries who have voiced their reservations,
00:32:05.000This source, FT, notes that some governments are warning that singling out Russia could push Vladimir Putin to cut supplies to Europe completely.
00:32:15.000One senior EU official cited anonymously summed up the ongoing dilemma as follows.
00:32:21.000Quote, everyone is afraid of the domino effect if Russia cuts off supply because European states are so interconnected.
00:32:28.000If you cut off Russian gas only, you infuriate Russia without affecting other suppliers.
00:32:34.000And if you are, say, Portugal, who imports no Russian gas, what can you take back to voters?
00:32:39.000For this reason, the meeting is not expected to delve too deep or dwell too long on the divisive price cap plan, even though Belgium is among those claiming that just technical issues would have to be worked out, but that a cap is achievable.
00:32:53.000Hungary's Sijarto said it best upon entering the meeting, quote, this morning, we will do our utmost to make Brussels finally understand that gas supplies are not an ideological or political issue, but one of hardcore physical reality.
00:33:08.000And this is the thing that has been the most relevant point from the beginning.
00:33:14.000The reason that the sanctions were doomed to fail from the beginning of the war, and why it was apparent that they were not working throughout the war, and I've said this, is because Russia is a maker of things.
00:33:59.000In the sense that the country with the biggest military is the country that can kill the most people and fight the most logistically sophisticated and ambitious wars, and that gives them the most power over other countries because they can force countries, theoretically, to do what they want.
00:34:16.000If push came to shove, they could send the aircraft carriers and the battleships and the bombers and the troops
00:34:23.000To go into the city and kill the government and then take over and make the people there do what they want.
00:35:21.000Cutting-edge military technology and to design them you need human capital.
00:35:26.000Human capital comes from a robust civil society.
00:35:30.000It comes from a society that can properly find its most intelligent people, sort them, train them under apprenticeships, give them experience, and then put them to work.
00:35:41.000Now that's something that's difficult for a society to do, to marshal human beings as a resource and train them just for your engineers, just for openers.
00:35:58.000So you need a government that can pay for one.
00:36:01.000You need a government that can marshal the resources to build factories that are dedicated to making them.
00:36:06.000Making the parts, putting the parts together, storing it, housing it, and so on.
00:36:15.000This is just to give you an idea, to begin to imagine where the force projection comes from.
00:36:20.000To field an aircraft carrier, a navy, a bomber.
00:36:25.000To recruit troops, to recruit an army, to marshal the resources to pay for and maintain these things, to divert resources from the economy through taxes, and to raise such a large tax pool that you can pay Lockheed Martin and Raytheon and defense contractors and employees $800 billion a year to maintain this giant army, this giant arsenal.
00:36:49.000It derives from the productive capacities of the economy.
00:36:51.000Well, where do the productive capacities come from?
00:36:54.000Where does America get the wealth to do all these things?
00:36:58.000Well, when you consider it, America has a lot of wealth in its land.
00:37:03.000It has a lot of wealth from its population, and America is wealthy in resources.
00:37:13.000But so much of where America derives its wealth is in trade.
00:37:18.000We have a $500 billion trade deficit with China, meaning that China exports $500 billion worth of goods and services more to the United States than we export to them.
00:37:33.000And America has an absolute trade deficit with the world.
00:37:49.000If we didn't have China manufacturing, if we didn't have the raw materials that China harvested, we could not make the things that we make here.
00:38:00.000We couldn't make cars with computers in them because we wouldn't have the semiconductors.
00:38:07.000We couldn't make the semiconductors because we don't have the rare minerals in the American continent to make them.
00:38:15.000When you look at the critical raw materials that we need for things like computers and semiconductors and artificial intelligence and all the advanced industries, a large percentage of global production of like 25 or 30 of them comes from China.
00:38:35.000If we didn't have the sea-based trade with China, we wouldn't have things.
00:38:41.000We wouldn't have the raw materials to make the things, and we wouldn't have the parts.
00:38:48.000In other words, you can't make a plane start to finish in America because we don't make the steel anymore, and we don't make the semiconductors, and we don't make so many of the things.
00:39:08.000So our wealth comes from trade and the same is true with Europe.
00:39:12.000You could say that Europe and America are sea-based powers and particularly the United Kingdom and America are sea-based power because their wealth comes from trade.
00:39:23.000We're dependent on trade and there's a reciprocal relationship.
00:39:27.000We control trade because we have a large navy.
00:39:31.000We have a large navy because of our trade.
00:40:21.000We can field navies in both the oceans.
00:40:24.000And we have the Panama Canal that connects them.
00:40:28.000Russia does not have any access to the sea at all.
00:40:32.000Where does Russia come up against any ocean anywhere?
00:40:38.000On its west coast, Russia is completely blocked off by the European continent.
00:40:45.000They've got access to the Atlantic Ocean through the Arctic Ocean, which they don't have year-round access to and which is not the same as a year-round port, say, in North Carolina.
00:41:29.000They, again, do not have a year-round port in the East of Russia.
00:41:34.000The East of Russia is connected to the Pacific Ocean by Siberia, where the ports freeze there.
00:41:42.000So they don't, so suffice to say, they don't derive their power from sea-based trade, or even land-based trade.
00:41:52.000They derive their power from the resources that they have on the land.
00:41:57.000They don't need to import things because and they can't even if they wanted to because they don't have control over They don't they don't have access to the ocean much less control over the ocean and access to other countries by sea and shipping routes Because if they were dependent on shipping routes guess what they could just be embargoed in like two seconds So their wealth derives from their the fact that they control such a large proportion of Earth's landmass they control everything from
00:42:29.000From the west of Russia, everything from their border with Ukraine, all the way to Vladivostok in the east.
00:42:37.000So they've got immense raw material wealth.
00:42:40.000They've got wealth in natural gas, in titanium, in copper, in nickel, in oil.
00:42:49.000They've got in agriculture, they've got fertile lands.
00:42:53.000And so they've got really everything that they need and then the way that they derive their wealth is by using what they need and then selling the excess to other countries.
00:43:54.000You know, if you can't sell your profits, if you can't sell the excess grain or the excess natural gas or the excess oil and then buy more things from other countries, naturally you're going to have less things, of course.
00:47:23.000When you take a look at who sanctioned Russia as a very small number of countries, all things considered, that was never going to work.
00:47:33.000And not only was it not going to destroy Russia, they could have always absorbed the hit to their revenue because natural gas is a hot commodity.
00:47:42.000If Europe doesn't buy it, somebody else will.
00:47:47.000And not only would it not be detrimental, but also Europe needs the natural resources.
00:47:54.000That was always going to affect Europe more than Russia.
00:47:57.000Not only was it not going to hurt Russia, it was always going to be detrimental to the European Union in particular, but also poses a large risk to the United Kingdom and the United States.
00:51:11.000It's already record high energy prices in the United Kingdom, Germany, Italy, East Europe, and as it says, even the countries that do not get their natural gas from Russia, like Portugal, who's on the far end,
00:51:25.000They're gonna feel the effects as well.
00:51:28.000Because they're in a common currency union.
00:51:30.000They're in an economic union with the other states.
00:51:32.000What affects half the member states will affect all the member states.
00:51:38.000So, anyway, so that's the situation with Russia.
00:51:42.000Completely ill-fated and ridiculous from the beginning.
00:51:46.000I don't understand what the counter argument is.
00:51:49.000I remember over the summer, they were confidently saying, well, we just signed a deal where we're going to get more liquefied natural gas from America.
00:51:58.000And I did my show and I said, who are you kidding?
00:52:20.000But they come out in the summer, before this inevitable crisis metastasized, they came out in the summer smugly and they're like, oh Russia's gonna cut off their gas?
00:53:01.000When they come out there and say things that are just obviously stupid, and I'm waiting for the counter-argument like where's the argument that Ukraine can win the war?
00:53:10.000Where's the argument that the sanctions are not going to backfire?
00:53:13.000Where are we going to get the fertilizer?
00:56:29.000We're emptying out our military arsenal into Ukraine such that we can't replace what we've sent Ukraine, we won't have what we've sent Ukraine if we get in a war.
00:57:23.000If we ever get in a large-scale war, we're going to have to create the industries to replace these things because we just can't make them on that scale.
00:57:31.000The stuff that we've sent to Ukraine, it's going to take us years to replenish our stockpile of those things.
00:57:39.000And not to mention the inflation, the gas prices, not to mention the across-the-board inflation, and particularly in Europe.
00:57:48.000You know, people say, well, we're just sending military equipment over there to just make it costly for Russia.
00:57:52.000We want to make the war expensive for them.
00:57:55.000We want to make them lose military equipment, lose lives, lose revenue.
01:00:47.000And we'll shift gears a little bit it's kind of tricky to shift gears because I'm all into the I'm on my mind is all Russia right now, but let's switch gears a little bit and let me pull this up This is we're gonna watch a little clip from the destiny stream, and I'll introduce it in a sec Let me just make sure I have my tech all set up here Okay
01:01:41.000So we're gonna review this clip from destiny stream And I want you to let me know what you think about it The other day I got a super chat on my show where So it's gonna be me reacting to destiny reacting to my show from last night Last night on my show.
01:02:03.000Well, I guess we got to start from the beginning.
01:02:42.000You have no business being friendly with him.
01:02:45.000Every conversation you need to be talking about what an evil person he is and interrogating him about it.
01:02:53.000And Destiny's been arguing, well Nick's not a Nazi and I'm not going to shout him down.
01:03:01.000You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
01:03:03.000You know, basically, I'm gonna bring over his audience and persuade more people by being hospitable and empathetic than if I'm being weirdly hung up on calling him a Nazi or something.
01:03:18.000And so, a couple days after that stream, Mr. Girl's YouTube channel got taken down.
01:03:26.000And and I I said, oh lol, you know your channel got banned owned And I'll even show you the tweet.
01:03:34.000I want to pull it up here If I even can because Twitter is so bullshit on if you don't have an account Let's see That's it That's not it The mr. Girl returns, okay
01:03:59.000Mr. Girl Max, Destiny's friend, tweets out, Dear YouTube, After publicly criticizing the Nazi Nick Fuentes this past week, my channel has been mass flagged as sexual content, and one day I received three strikes for videos that are 1-3 years old.
01:06:20.000Even if you were to assume that his channel got taken down because of a mass flagging campaign by a person on my website,
01:06:30.000Well then why did your appeal not work?
01:06:32.000Why did your appeal not get your... If it was just a... If it was a mistake, if it... It sounds like you broke the TOS.
01:06:38.000It sounds like you broke the TOS, and maybe because your channel was flagged by Big Tech, or maybe because it was flagged by other people, maybe because it was flagged before you did this, maybe after it, your channel got banned because you broke the TOS.
01:06:53.000And then you tried to appeal it and YouTube reaffirmed it wasn't a mistake.
01:06:57.000It didn't get mass reported and taken down for a bad reason.
01:07:00.000It got taken down because we checked and you broke the TOS.
01:07:05.000Now he doesn't even bring up the big tech stream.
01:07:10.000The evidence that my channel got banned because I talked about Nick, and then Nick's people mass flagged me, and then it got banned because of that mass flagging, and then the appeal got rejected because of that mass flagging.
01:08:35.000You got banned, you blame it on me, you tweet about how you got banned because of me, and you say the evidence that I got you banned is that I replied to your tweet saying that I got you banned.
01:11:22.000But in light of what's been going on, I said on my show, and this is the clip that he reacted to, and we're gonna react to his reaction,
01:11:31.000What I said is I think that's a convenient excuse.
01:11:37.000I think that Destiny sees the writing on the wall, which is that his fans like me, Sneeko likes me, Sneeko's gonna get on Cozy, Sneeko's gonna bring a huge audience to Cozy.
01:11:48.000And Destiny is still an activist who has told me to my face, I want you to not succeed.
01:11:54.000Your movement is completely opposed to my project, and I want to convert your followers into my followers, and I want your movement to fail.
01:12:04.000And because of Sneeko getting deplatformed, he's gonna jump on my site.
01:12:10.000And because of these debates with Destiny, people are gonna visit my site.
01:12:16.000Now, again, I understand in principle what he's saying, but he's going to come on the show, he's going to come on his stream and say, well, the reason I can't follow through with this debate, and the reason that I'm going to take a step back now, is because someone on Nick's site flagged my friend.
01:13:20.000It's hard for me to believe that because
01:13:24.000Someone who's peripherally associated on my website flagged somebody who is associated with Destiny that me and Destiny can't have a good faith discussion?
01:13:34.000Something that someone else did to someone else prevents the two principles from engaging?
01:13:39.000I said, you know, I get where he's coming from, but it just doesn't seem to me like a strong argument.
01:13:45.000So I said, I think that he's being bad faith.
01:13:47.000I said, I think that that's a convenient excuse to tell Sneko, hey, maybe these guys reported you.
01:14:31.000And then when I got on a stream, which he didn't invite me on to, when Big Tech flagged Mr. Girl, Destiny brought Mr. Girl on and Beardson on, but didn't invite me.
01:14:40.000And then I texted him, and he ignored me while they were on the stream.
01:14:44.000And then only after I texted Beardson, who was on with Destiny, and said, hey, get me on, and Beardson said, hey, Nick wants on, did Destiny say, oh, okay?
01:14:52.000And then he texted me, oh, text Britney to get on the call.
01:14:57.000So then I had to go and get Britney to get me on the call, and then he said, hey, Destiny, are we still on for tomorrow?
01:15:01.000And he goes, oh, I don't know, maybe, I'm not sure.
01:15:05.000He had no intention of doing that debate.
01:15:07.000He didn't say, no, I'm not doing the debate.
01:15:43.000I'm gonna blow something out of proportion and kind of be a little bit sneaky about something and then quietly bow out of this and try and ice this thing.
01:15:55.000Now we're gonna review all the evidence, and you tell me if you agree.
01:16:00.000You tell me if you agree with my assessment, or if you think that Destiny's telling the truth, because conversely, maybe Destiny's being totally forthright, and he's saying, no, I just really am so concerned about Big Tech, who was reprimanded, flagging someone else, that now I can't talk to you.
01:16:25.000And if he's being honest about that, you're gonna be the judge, okay?
01:16:31.000And also, Destiny, so we're gonna review... I talk about this, and I also talk about another subject that I thought Destiny was not being 100% honest on.
01:16:40.000And we'll review this, and you tell me what you think, okay?
01:17:30.000I'm continuing to point things out when you see them.
01:17:34.000If you respond to a clip that is, or to like a don't know message, probably misrepresenting something I've said, it shows that you are scared to have the conversation, or you are scared to earnestly engage with the idea, okay?
01:17:47.000How does Destiny say things like, IQ is heritable, but not genetic?
01:17:51.000This sentence barely even makes sense on its own.
01:17:54.000It's a more complicated conversation than that.
01:17:56.000And also, I would never say something is heritable, but not genetic.
01:17:59.000Also, the idea that anything is heritable or not
01:18:44.000To somebody who believes in race realism, like on a show like this, they'd probably say like, oh, well, it just means that like, you know, different people have like different cultures and you know, like, yeah, you know, like Asian people look different than black people, whatever.
01:18:55.000But typically, what it really means is, there are very ingrained parts of our brains that are like genetically determined.
01:29:28.000There's a ton of different genes that play into it.
01:29:31.000I don't think anybody's done enough research yet to be comfortable enough to be like, oh yeah, I can definitely say this whole group of people and these groups of people are different because of, you know, their genes or whatever.
01:29:46.000It's just way too complicated an issue.
01:32:48.000But then he says, I don't think anybody's done enough research to be comfortable to say, I can definitely say this whole group and these groups of people are different because of their genes.
01:33:04.000There might be some differences between some people, but nobody's done enough research to comfortably say they're definitely different for this reason.
01:33:20.000Well, it's complicated, and maybe there are differences between people, maybe there aren't.
01:33:26.000The real answer is that genes account for IQ, but we don't know which one, and nobody's really done the research to say that genes account for IQ at all.
01:33:37.000You're like, oh yeah, I can definitely say this whole group of people and these groups of people are different because of, you know, their genes or whatever.
01:33:44.000It's just, it's way too complicated an issue.
01:34:07.000Well, the reason that there are these huge racial disparities, it's because, well the politically correct thing is because of the environment.
01:34:14.000The real answer is that there's a lot of genes.
01:35:36.000We've got to consider those differences when we make big decisions.
01:35:40.000When we're trying to correct inequality, you know, manage our multiracial society with these disparities, we've got to know from where they come.
01:35:48.000His position is, you know, I'm a liberal, we're all equal, we're all individuals, we have a big country with people because, you know... But I just don't know where these differences come from.
01:36:00.000I don't know if they're environmental.
01:36:01.000I don't know if they're from genetics.
01:36:02.000I don't know why people are different.
01:38:34.000If you look at, like, guitar plays and shit, yeah.
01:38:36.000Now, when I look at that, and I look at what I know about men and women, men tend to have faster response times, probably a little bit more athletic coordination, etc., etc.
01:38:43.000It makes sense that, like, maybe a woman wouldn't be able to play guitar like a man could, because she just doesn't have the, you know, women versus men.
01:38:50.000But if you walk over into, like, the classical world, well now, when I look at, like, who all of these amazing violin players are, piano players, some of these women are fucking unbelievably quick.
01:39:01.000And then I look at that, and I'm like, okay, that's a crazy divide in gender to where there's, like, good rock female guitar players, there's, like, two.
01:40:10.000One time, there was a chess player that trained his daughters to play chess.
01:40:15.000And then, also... And think about what he says here.
01:40:19.000He didn't say, I did a study about guitar players, or I did a study about... He said, well, you know, I don't think there are very many female rock guitarists, but, like, I've heard some really good women violin players.
01:41:01.000Now maybe I should have explained that.
01:41:03.000The reason why I said that he's probably just concealing his views is because if he's not concealing his true conviction, which is that probably genetics determine IQ to a large degree.
01:41:18.000Maybe not completely, but to a not insignificant degree.
01:42:17.000I don't know, but I heard a story about a good girl chess player, and I heard another story about a good girl violinist, and I think there's not a lot of girl rock bands.
01:42:27.000All right, now that we've reviewed that part... And we could listen to the rest, but it doesn't add any more context that is relevant here.
01:42:45.000But so he, so, he's reviewing my show where a super chit says, how does Destiny say things like IQ is heritable but not genetic?
01:46:33.000It's like code for racism nowadays or like how do you like because like the Nick Fuentes thing it's weird like watching you have a conversation with him because it's kind of like there's like a subtext to everything he's saying and you're trying to like kind of decode that for the audience.
01:46:49.000So race realism is this idea that there are distinct human races and there are big biological differences between said races.
01:46:58.000If you're talking to somebody who believes in race realism, like on a show like this, they'd probably say like, oh, well, it just means that like, you know, different people have like different cultures and you know, like, yeah, you know, like Asian people look different than black people, whatever.
01:47:10.000But typically what it really means is there are very ingrained parts of our brains that are like genetically determined.
01:50:37.000He says, well if anything, you're a liar!
01:50:41.000If anything, you're more likely to be a liar because I don't like this afraid where it will lead because I'm not afraid that my audience will leave me.
01:51:22.000He's gonna say, oh I don't know how much of it is determined, not willing to guess, not willing to speculate, not really even willing to... Where's the evidence that we don't know?
01:51:36.000He's not interested in that, to the extent that he knows that it is very plausible that IQ is very much determined by genes, and I don't think that he's afraid that his audience will leave him.
01:51:49.000And how that pertains to me and my likelihood to change my views based on my fear of my audience leaving.
01:51:56.000It's got to do with, you've got a liberal worldview.
01:51:59.000You've got a liberal disposition, a very particular kind of worldview.
01:52:02.000I don't think you want to believe that.
01:52:04.000I don't think you like where that goes.
01:52:06.000If people have different IQs, where does that take you?
01:52:09.000I don't know that he's afraid that his audience will leave him.
01:52:12.000I think he's afraid of where it will take him.
01:53:32.000I don't have a problem with the argument.
01:53:35.000He's not out there arguing it's genetic or it's not genetic, it's environmental.
01:53:38.000He's saying, I don't know, and I'm really just not that interested.
01:53:41.000And I'm saying, well, you're not interested because if he became interested, you'd probably come to some troubling conclusions.
01:53:47.000And instead of engaging with that and saying, no, I have done the reading, I have done this, and what I've determined is it's inconclusive.
01:53:57.000I think I have the credit that it's pretty obvious that I say what I mean and I mean what I say.
01:54:03.000Like, after Rittenhouse, after the trans stuff in Keffels, after the Hasan Vashj communism shit, like, it's not like anything has ever leaked from me, like audio or DMs, where I'm like, actually, I think black people are subhuman, guys, and blah blah blah.
01:55:33.000Of all the things, of all the fights I've picked in the past, of all the positions I've staked out, do you really think race realism, do you really think that IQ and genes would be one of the ones that I'd be afraid of?
01:56:57.000That's sad, and it's tragic, and it calls into question all of liberal orthodoxy.
01:57:02.000What does that mean for a utilitarian if the most populous race in the world is two standard deviations in intelligence below white people?
01:58:44.000The studies are out there, the data's out there, it's not inconclusive.
01:58:48.000Your counter-argument is that a girl learned to play the violin but not the guitar?
01:58:52.000What does that even have to do with anything?
01:58:54.000for extremism okay at least that's something you could argue with but it's just dishonest to say oh i don't know i don't know it's like not uh i just have no idea how genetic it is okay well then you need to get an idea yeah you do yeah you need to get an idea yeah you gotta
01:59:17.000There's one side saying, look, disparities exist because inequality's baked into the cake.
01:59:22.000The other side is saying, I don't know.
02:00:21.000I don't have the Sneako stream because it's privated, but when we run the Sneako stream and someone else can help me and pull up the tape, we schedule the debate.
02:00:33.000The 9-11 debate was supposed to be with Sneko.
02:00:37.000And the JFK debate was supposed to be with me.
02:00:40.000Destiny said, okay, what day do you want to do the... It was on my birthday.
02:00:44.000My birthday was on Thursday, August 18th.
02:02:09.000I feel like, fuck, what the fuck is the point of researching for another big conspiracy?
02:02:13.000But the second thing was that... Oh, so I research for one debate, what's the point of researching for another debate?
02:02:19.000I don't know, because you committed to both of them?
02:02:21.000If I'm going to engage with other communities, especially ones that are so ideologically different than mine, there has to be some type of... See, even his audience says, right here, the debate was supposed to be with Sneeko.
02:02:41.000And one of those rules is we have to have a mutual understanding that we're not going to be trying to fucking nuke each other's platforms from orbit.
02:02:49.000If I'm engaging with people and they're trying to destroy my fellow friends on YouTube, I'm already taking a big risk by engaging in that community.
02:04:54.000People are saying, there's a lot of cope in chat where it's like, oh no, the 9-11 debate was with Sneeko, that wasn't Nick at all, oh no, that's totally blah blah blah.
02:05:01.000Nick has had conspiratorial beliefs about 9-11 for a long fucking time.
02:05:05.000If you believe differently, it bothers me because the same fucking retards in chat that are saying, oh no, that wasn't about Nick, blah blah blah, are the same ones that are screaming, oh, call him a Nazi, blah blah blah blah blah.
02:05:14.000You are high on fucking crack cocaine.
02:05:16.000What does one have to do with the other?
02:05:19.000You said the reason you pulled out of the debate is because
02:05:23.000Well, I already debated Nick on 9-11, and he dropped out.
02:05:26.000And people said, no, actually, you were supposed to debate Sneeko on 9-11.
02:05:52.000If you think that Nick doesn't believe that 9-11 was a fixed thing, you're absolutely fucking out of your mind if you think that it wasn't.
02:05:58.000So whether Nick was the one that explicitly agreed to it, one, he was egging it on.
02:06:01.000He was the one that was suggesting it, saying, like, making that debate happen, moving that direction.
02:06:05.000See, once again, the weasel words, well, even if he didn't explicitly agree to it, you mean, in other words, even if Nick wasn't the one who was supposed to debate?
02:06:15.000That'd be like saying, uh, hey, uh, Dalton, I'm gonna fight you on Monday.
02:06:21.000And then I go to Tyler and say, hey, what's up, bitch?
02:06:54.000Well, even if Mitt didn't agree to the debate, he believes 9-11 was a conspiracy, and anyway he was egging it on, so... So that's why I backed out of my other debate.
02:07:25.000Because Sneeko's talking about getting on cozy, Sneeko just got banned and he's getting some heat, and Destiny's getting some heat, and so what better way to cool everything, cool off all these relationships by saying, Nick got my friend banned and you're not principled!
02:07:42.000There's so much, like, conspiratorial stuff.
02:10:45.000Then, he brings on Big Tech, Beardson, and Britney to talk about the accusations that the Groipers flagged on Mr. Girl without inviting me on.
02:10:55.000And while this is going on, I said, hey, I didn't report Mr. Girl.
02:10:59.000I want him to keep making YouTube videos.
02:12:21.000I told people to ratio the tweet where he blamed it on me.
02:12:24.000His evidence that I got his YouTube taken down is that I told people to ratio his tweet where he blamed me for taking his YouTube channel down.
02:12:33.000Destiny uses that as an excuse to say that he's dropping out of the JFK debate after he dropped out of the JFK debate and ignored me.
02:12:42.000I text him over and over, when's the JFK?
02:13:17.000Then after the fact, after he backed out of the debate, after he ignored me, and after I called him on it, then he comes out and says, well, the reason is because we did the 9-11 debate, which we didn't, which is based on a lie, and people call him out.
02:13:30.000He says, well, you know, he didn't explicitly agree to it, but you know,
02:13:33.000He doesn't think 9-11 happened, so might as well have been.
02:13:47.000L3 or Lasan saying, like, who do you think I'm trying to cool shit off for?
02:13:50.000I'm doing an IRL stream with you getting 14,000 viewers.
02:13:53.000Do you think some negative sentiment from some terminally online mentally disabled dipshits with guardians are really gonna scare me off of that?
02:14:37.000You might think that I'm an asshole or that I'm wrong, but I'm not lying.
02:14:41.000I'm pretty forthcoming with my thoughts about this.
02:14:43.000It's like, I didn't get your friend banned.
02:14:45.000Your friend got banned because he broke the rules.
02:14:49.000And it so happened that some other person reported him.
02:14:52.000Oh, this is he signaling a lot of there's another weird thing, too Is that like when I'm speaking I can just speak these are these are you're coming here and this is steve abanel's thoughts on shit And that's it But when he's speaking he has to speak as like the figurehead of his little political movement And so a lot of this is signaling to his audience.
02:15:08.000Okay, so so You I'm an honest guy you need to take what I say at face value.
02:17:09.000Either I'm responsible for what everyone on the site says or I'm responsible for what I say.
02:17:12.000I'm not here to say that I'm a fat or a shill or a Jew or all kinds of crazy things.
02:17:20.000So for him to that was like just the perfect Opportunity for him to blow that out of proportion and say oh Nick got my friend banned He's not so free speech after all sneak.
02:18:15.000No, I didn't, because I scheduled two things.
02:18:17.000Yeah, and you backed out of one of them.
02:18:20.000As part of my new fucking person, humanity, and all that shit that I discovered through my journeys of self-discovery over the past month and a half, I'm trying to make new friends, I'm trying to branch out to people, I'm trying to talk to people more.
02:18:29.000I've added people to, like, an actual friend group that I have.
02:18:32.000I've talked to Pisco, I've talked to Mr. Girl, I've talked to Erudite, I'm actually building out, like, friends and stuff.
02:18:37.000Max is somebody that I would consider a pretty close friend now.
02:18:40.000The idea that I could watch his YouTube channel, that he cares a lot about, get nuked from orbit by a group of people that are probably kind of upset because I'm arguing against Nick about them... Oh, that's... That's got nothing to do with it, though.
02:18:57.000First of all, he got... his appeal got rejected.
02:20:03.000So, you know, I fail to see how Mr. Girl attacking me and saying he's a Nazi, he's gonna kill people, and then other people in the right-wing community going out and saying, okay, we're gonna report you.
02:20:15.000What does that have to do with me and you?
02:20:33.000And by the way, we then went out there and said we disavowed that, so... Well, we scheduled it, and then when the day came around, he was like, uh, uh, uh, never mind.
02:20:43.000Well, because your friend reported someone!
02:21:39.000Like, I think me and Sneaker are decently friendly now.
02:21:41.000Like, we asked to go out to dinner yesterday, he canceled his birthday plans, me and Melina did it.
02:21:44.000Like, I'm pretty sure I could explicitly say to him, like, hey dude, I like hanging out with you, but, like, two things.
02:21:49.000One, I think hanging out with Nick is a really bad idea, and two, I'm not gonna be on stream with you anymore if you do.
02:21:53.000Like, you can do your thing, but I'm just letting you know.
02:21:55.000Like, I could start pulling moves like that to get you uber blacklisted from everything, right?
02:22:00.000And I could tell that to every single person that I associate with, and they're always going to choose me over you just because I'm not deep platform.
02:25:12.000I've had my entire life destroyed because I say these things.
02:25:14.000You think I'm saying these things because it's like doing me a big favor?
02:25:18.000I'm banned from airlines and banks, I'm under investigation by the FBI, subpoenaed by Congress, in part because I say these kinds of things.
02:26:13.000I'm not just talking about Charles Murray.
02:26:15.000That's fine, but I'm just saying that the book The Bell Curve, if that book was about any other topic, you would dismiss it so quickly because of the scientific disciplines that those authors come from, you wouldn't even consider it for a second.
02:27:17.000The ADL can go in and they can flag- Was that really all you said?
02:27:21.000I feel like I remember there being a leaked phone call and some other stuff that came out, too, that got you kicked out of school, too, no?
02:27:25.000Was that- Yeah, yeah, that is something that happened.
02:27:27.000Something about, like, if a white girl dates a black person, it's the same as, like, fucking a dog, something like that, maybe?
02:29:19.000Anyway, to make the long story short, we're all just talking, and I'm playing devil's advocate, we're talking about things, and I said, you know, you can laugh, but this is bullshit that this happens.
02:29:29.000And there's this girl in there, who's a total whore, by the way, and she's friends with... Totally unnecessary, but okay.
02:31:05.000The only reason we're even talking about the phone call right now is because I brought it up because you tried to obfuscate by not bringing up that phone call, which was, I think, a big part of why people got really mad at you in 2017.
02:31:14.000Listen, you could play everything back, but this is what they do.
02:31:31.000And so things like that are going to be blown up, misconstrued.
02:31:34.000Like you just said, didn't you say it's this?
02:31:36.000No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
02:32:03.000You're calling him a racist every day.
02:32:05.000Keep in mind that when he says he's for the other races, he means he's for them going back to their countries and living there in harmony, okay?
02:32:11.000That's what he means when he says that.
02:32:14.000You've been right in front of him, Sneaker.
02:33:18.000So you can't tell the race of people immediately in this very diverse sense you talk about, when Africa's the most diverse place in the world.
02:33:32.000So something you said earlier... Keep moving on, keep moving on.
02:33:34.000Something that you said... Yeah, so it's not an answer because you said... Okay, so I mean we don't need to watch the whole thing, but the point is... And so, so that's, this has gone on for like, geez, this has gone on for like two hours.
02:33:46.000I didn't know it was going to be that long.
02:33:49.000So, the point is, I'm not going to be gaslit and told
02:33:53.000You know, I'm just this like Good, you don't believe you don't take what I say at face value.
02:33:59.000It's like why I don't I here's the thing I think the destiny says what he believes I think he believes what he says and I think that he's not afraid of alienating his audience But yeah, I think that he dodged this debate 100% I think he dodged it.
02:34:14.000I think he blew this big tech thing out of proportion and that's evidenced by the fact that He
02:34:23.000He went out there and retweeted, uh, what's his name, uh, Mr. Girl first.
02:34:28.000Then, instead of bringing me on to talk about it while I'm texting him, he brings on everybody else.
02:34:32.000It's my fault, but bring on everybody else.
02:35:18.000I've come at it with good faith from the whole time.
02:35:21.000He's come at it from this perspective of, well, I want to use you to help myself, and that may help you along the way, but not help you too much.
02:35:29.000And that's evidenced by the fact that he jumps onto this debate to do nothing other than interrupt me, call me a liar, lie about me, misstate my views, make me look bad by saying, oh, he said this, everyone freaks out, and then I have to spend 10 minutes clarifying it.
02:35:46.000And so suffice to say, is it unbelievable that he would maybe not burn the bridge, but ice it a little bit?
02:35:54.000Come up with some kind of paltry excuse to put some ice on it because maybe he senses he doesn't like exactly the level of how much it's helping one or the other person?
02:36:05.000Based on what we just saw, where he comes on and says, Nick's a liar.
02:36:37.000Send in a 1 if you think Destiny's telling the truth.
02:36:41.000And he really is just very concerned about Mr. Girl being reported and he's concerned that he might get reported or that it's affecting his friends or something.
02:36:51.000He's worried about the implications of that, even though we all disavowed it.
02:37:56.000I don't think he's afraid of his audience, but I do think that he's an ideological actor.
02:38:03.000And everything that he says about how I'm leading a political movement and I have this audience capture and so on, I think is true about him.
02:38:10.000I think that his positions are derived from fundamentally irrational positions, which he doesn't really want to defend very strongly.
02:38:20.000You know, like he'll say, for example, I think Big Tech is scary.
02:38:23.000I think it's scary that Big Tech banned Andrew Tate.
02:38:34.000Like, he said when Andrew Tate got banned from everything all at once, and when Trump got banned, he said it's scary that they have that much power.
02:38:39.000Anyway, wouldn't you be interested in that?
02:38:42.000Okay, can Chief Trumpster stop spamming the live chat?
02:39:35.000He can say all he wants, and I'm the leader of a movement, and so I represent people, and he just represents himself, but there's another factor that he's missing.
02:39:46.000I also happen to be a guy that has paid a heavy price for my views.
02:41:04.000When you look at everything, like I'm banned from... Do you think I would remain banned from all these things if I just woke up and became a liberal?
02:41:11.000I would be re... I was driving past my high school the other day and thinking about how sad it is that I can't go back and visit my old teachers because I'm a pariah.
02:41:37.000Whereas he, if he embraced these views, he's embracing something that's completely against the mainstream and something that would make his life way worse.
02:41:44.000If he woke up and embraced race and IQ, he would get banned, he would get decimated.
02:41:49.000And there are also views that are not popular.
02:42:16.000You know, sort of enmeshed in a certain kind of view, and I think that's what it is.
02:42:20.000And I also think that as an activist, he is playing a game here.
02:42:23.000To say that, you know, when some people ask him, we're measuring who's benefiting more from the conversations, and it's very fierce and it's somewhat competitive, but when I call him out and say, yeah, he backed out of this debate, because he did, and I think he's just making up excuses, he goes,
02:42:49.000You can't come into the debate and say, you're a liar, you lead a movement, so all you tell is lies, and I'm gonna stop you from saying your message, and we're in a war to see who can steal more fans, and my views are better than ever.
02:43:02.000And then, when you back out of a debate, and you spread something which is really not really fair about me, and I call you out and say, yeah, that's not really true, and you come to say,
02:43:37.000You're a debate bro, you know, you're gonna come in and rain on my parade when I'm in a stream to answer every view that I have and then you pull out of the debate and you come up with this lame excuse about, oh well, I already did a debate so, and oh well, Mr. Girl's channel got banned or something.
02:43:53.000Wasn't he just saying a few months ago that people get banned because they break the rules?
02:43:59.000Seems to be what happened in that case.
02:44:03.000So yeah, I think that's... I just don't buy it.
02:44:07.000I don't think that that makes him a fundamentally dishonest person.
02:44:10.000But I think that he is somebody who has his convictions, and then when he gets in these situations, I think almost unconsciously, he throws up the... he deploys these tactics.
02:44:21.000The derisive laughter, the interruptions, the pretend not to know what you're talking about, and misinterpret.
02:46:19.000See somebody in my chat saying report and I just banned them, okay?
02:46:25.000But um But yeah, so I don't know I don't I guess we didn't need to get too much into this it's a little bit gossipy but um
02:46:38.000But there's nothing else going on in the news, so... So I wanted to jump in there and say my piece, make my voice heard on that.
02:46:46.000Yeah, I think that, you know, I've been nice to Destiny, but I've let him get away with a lot.
02:46:51.000Now I'm just gonna call him on it, you know?
02:46:53.000I've been trying to be, in the spirit of being friendly, I've kind of taken a lot on the chin, but I'm not gonna let him sit there and say the Groipers are going out there and doing that.
02:47:06.000Sorry, but you can't be the vanguard inquisitor of Joe Biden liberalism and answer every time I go on a sneko stream, he's gonna be there to interrupt me.
02:47:18.000Every time I go on with Jitian, he's gonna be on there to interrupt me.
02:47:21.000When we schedule a debate one-on-one with JFK, oh, he just disappears and pretends it never happens.
02:48:18.000You can't go around, you know, you're gonna rain on my parade every time I go and talk about this stuff, then we do a one-on-one debate and, you know, you come up with this bullshit excuse
02:48:30.000Sorry, I mean listen, I'm your friend.
02:48:32.000I'm not gonna let you get away with that.
02:48:33.000I know we're friendly, I know we're best buddies, and I think you're an honest guy, but sorry, I'm not gonna let you get away with that.
02:48:57.000You're the liberal, I'm the conservative.
02:48:59.000If you're not the leader of a political movement, and you're willing to let your mind be changed, and you're after the truth, then let's do it.
02:49:07.000If I'm just a dishonest guy, cherry-picking, then you have nothing to fear.
02:49:12.000You're not afraid where this is going to go.
02:49:14.000You're not afraid of the audience response.
02:50:23.000You try and flag Destiny, you try and flag his friends on stream, you know, if there's evidence of it, I'm not gonna, you know... If people did what Destiny said Big Tech did, if that's my responsibility, okay.
02:50:36.000If anybody does that, they're banned from AfPak.
02:50:42.000Now that that's settled, now that that issue's settled, there should be no reason why I shouldn't be able to defend those ideas.
02:50:54.000So, and if we're both committed to being honest, then we don't need to call each other liars or slippery or say that one's a political actor or whatever.
02:51:04.000We can both, if you take what I say at face value, then I will take what you say at face value.
02:51:09.000I'll say, you know what, you're right, and we admonish anybody and we sanction anybody that does that.
02:51:14.000And we can agree to a Rules of Engagement.
02:51:17.000If that's the agreement, then consider it agreed upon.
02:51:26.000And if those are the agreed upon rules, and we agree that we're both good faith actors, then we can proceed with this good faith conversation that you want to have.
02:51:35.000If you're not afraid, if you're not concerned where it's going to go, and you want the best ideas to win, then it's off to the races as far as I'm concerned.
02:52:03.000That's me putting my money where my mouth is.
02:52:06.000Now if you're saying that that was the only reason that you don't want to engage anymore, because we need to agree on rules of engagement, consider it agreed upon and enforceable.
02:52:26.000Unless there's some other thing, because what we heard is, well, we scheduled the 9-11 debate, well that's bullshit, you know it.
02:52:35.000And if the concern was the rules of engagement, consider it done.
02:52:38.000Consider it done, and you can call me a liar at any point, show me evidence henceforth of someone doing that, I will ban their ass, I will say it publicly.
02:52:49.000From Afpac, not from Cozy, it's a free speech platform.
02:52:52.000But I will admonish them, I will ban their ass so fast, and you can hold me accountable on that.
02:52:58.000But now that the rules of engagement are agreed to, you're out of excuses, my friend.
02:53:02.000If you were being good faith, then hey, I just answered your call.