00:00:26.000I don't want to, again, don't want to dox anyone.
00:00:42.000It should get more exciting if people won't come up and say, Now, if I know anyone here, anyone that I can interact with, possibly fight with.
00:03:11.000Yeah, and I came in and he talks about how the left, you know, calls people names and victimizes people and all that kind of stuff.
00:03:20.000And to come to the turning point and to run into a person who wasn't really acting by turning point, but he was kind of in that position, he came to me and he took my name tag and he ripped it off.
00:14:12.000Basically, he was upset that he was on here promoting his own free speech.
00:14:15.000So and because of that he decided that he was going to get him on a side because they don't want him to be able to spread his own ideas in the United States where we have freedom of speech But apparently because apparently in the United States we don't have freedom of speech anymore It's all about what the corporations want us to hear.
00:14:33.000That's what it is It's all about what the corporations Yeah, we're good perfect epic.
00:14:39.000Hey, someone play the Joker music if you don't like my hotspot Joke of music.
00:16:54.000How can you say that you're, and remember, a lot of people say, well, I understand why Charlie Kirk kicked him out of the conference because it's a private event and it's a private building and you're legally allowed to kick anybody you want out of a private event.
00:18:44.000What hyper free market destructive forces that means I'm a hateful person, and you saying, Well, you might not be a hateful person, but Charlie Kirk interprets you as one.
00:18:52.000Wasn't that the kind of subjectivism that the left says?
00:18:54.000That oh, well, Ben Shapiro's a Nazi, and Charlie, it's exactly the difference is, though, the difference is, though, is that you are intrinsically inserting yourself into a private, whether the public sidewalk, the public side, and he is occupying this building, he's paying to have his conference at this center, and you come there and you violate his rules.
00:20:59.000These are people that have graduated universities, of which if you look at college graduates, something like 50% of American college graduates are underemployed, meaning they're either unemployed or they're in jobs where they're not meeting their full potential.
00:21:11.000So if half of our college graduates are underemployed, and Charlie Kirk is advocating for mass immigration from India, China, for high-skilled tech workers, he said we should staple green cards to the diplomas of foreign students.
00:21:22.000Now, why should we be stapling green cards to diplomas of foreign students, letting them work here and become permanent residents, when half of our own graduates are underemployed?
00:21:28.000They pay 100 grand, they're 100 grand in debt, get out of college.
00:21:32.000And they can't find jobs because they're flooding the zone with labor from foreign countries.
00:21:36.000That's the kind of thing we're talking about.
00:21:37.000So, I mean, sure, a moratorium on immigration means net zero immigration.
00:21:42.000It means that on net, after you subtract about 200,000 people that leave the country every year, you'll have zero.
00:21:47.000So, in other words, maybe we could bring in 200,000 people every year.
00:21:50.000So, if there's an electrician shortage, if there's an electrician shortage or something like that, well, then we could say we could bring in some electricians, or maybe we could bring in, you know, if the economy absolutely needs it and, you know, things are going to grind to a halt.
00:22:01.000We're talking about More than a million legal immigrants every year for 30 years.
00:22:06.000So, that to me is where we have to push back very strongly in the opposite direction.
00:22:20.000Do you mind if I finish what I was saying before?
00:22:22.000Okay, so if I'm in my house, right, and someone comes over to my house and I say that you're allowed to be at my house, and you say something that I don't like, and I call the cops and I have them remove you, that's not me using the Government inherently to restrict your freedom of speech.
00:22:38.000That is me removing you from a property that I legally have priority ship over.
00:22:53.000Well, I think the difference is between you staying in your house and me coming to your house and me going to the lobby of the Student Action Summit for Turning Point USA, I think there's obviously some differences in scale.
00:23:04.000I think there's also some contextual differences.
00:23:06.000You know, for example, Charlie Kirk is a public figure, a political activist.
00:23:09.000And somebody who claims to support free and open discussion.
00:23:13.000Now, people have said, well, he doesn't violate free speech because it's a private property, it's a private space.
00:23:19.000And I think, you know, obviously I agree with that.
00:23:21.000He's got the legal right to kick anybody who he wants.
00:23:23.000I don't think anybody's disagreed with that ever.
00:23:25.000But we're not talking specifically about free speech, we're talking about free discussion, which is a little bit different.
00:23:30.000He is advocating for the open marketplace of ideas.
00:23:33.000We all know that Charlie Kirk bills himself as this Cray champion debater.
00:23:37.000Any leftist can come to the QA and I will show them why.
00:23:41.000The free market is the way, and so on.
00:23:44.000So, when somebody like that, specifically given our history, says, I'll debate anyone, anytime, anywhere, and we want to facilitate an environment where people can talk about political ideas without fear of consequences, without fear of being called a racist or slandered or whatever, and he is going to physically remove me from his event merely for walking through the door.
00:24:03.000If I went in and broke rules, I would understand that.
00:24:06.000If I came in there, if I came through the door, and I just started screaming, you know, and I started shitting on the floor, and I started punching people.
00:24:12.000It doesn't matter what rule you break.
00:24:16.000I merely walked through the door, started shaking hands.
00:24:18.000Frankly, I didn't even enter into the conference itself.
00:24:20.000I was in the lobby, the convention center, and the police, and get this, they didn't come up to me and tell me because you're saying, well, the rules are you can't be hateful and Charlie Kirk thinks you're hateful.
00:24:28.000Well, I think that's a little arbitrary.
00:24:30.000But the security guard came up to me and didn't say, we're kicking you off because you're being hateful.
00:24:34.000He said, we're kicking you off because your presence is agitation.
00:24:59.000But we come to these turning point events, and this, you know, started a long time ago, going to QAs and things, with the intention of having a conversation.
00:25:06.000You know, it started out by going to QAs and saying, you know, why do you support legal immigration?
00:25:10.000It's going to lead to the death of the Republican Party, the country, American workers, and so on.
00:25:15.000And he said, oh, that's a fringe position.
00:25:22.000You know, he had Benny Johnson, who works for this organization, do a whole Twitter thread with Old Cooks from My Show saying, Nick is a neo segregationist.
00:26:53.000It's just like, I guess I understand the reason why he doesn't want you here.
00:26:58.000I understand that, and I respect that because the man has earned this place, he has earned this organization, and I guess that's where the respect comes in his regard.
00:27:07.000It's not a disrespect towards you, it's just respect towards you.
00:27:22.000So as a Catholic, how can you be someone that's for the Pope, that's for the Vatican, that's for Catholicism, and the Vatican being a country, and then be for the United States?
00:27:33.000Isn't that dual loyalism in and of itself?
00:27:35.000That's a very intelligent question, and it's good.
00:27:38.000I've actually never heard that one, and it's been a few years since we've been talking about this.
00:27:42.000The reason why it's different is because if you look at what I support in terms of our country, you cannot find a single part of my platform which contradicts the American interest.
00:27:50.000You cannot find a single part of my platform that is in favor of, like, Vatican City as a sovereign state that comes at the detriment of America.
00:27:58.000But you can't find that with Ben Shapiro.
00:27:59.000You can't find that with a lot of these countries.
00:28:01.000You know, Brett Stevens, who's a Zionist, he writes in the New York Times, he used to write for the Jerusalem Post.
00:28:06.000He wrote in an article two weeks ago, he said, Israel cannot be safe in the world of America first.
00:28:12.000Israel cannot be safe in the world of America first.
00:28:14.000As somebody that is America first, that disturbs me.
00:28:33.000And so when I see Ben Shapiro advocate, for example, for foreign wars, when I see Ben Shapiro say that we need more foreign aid to Israel, the reason I even got aware of these issues to be is I started asking.
00:28:57.000And, you know, so this kind of conversation has been happening for years.
00:29:00.000And when I see that clearly anytime you challenge that position on Israel, you're deemed hateful, you're deemed a bigot, and so on.
00:29:06.000To me, there's sort of a clear proof that his allegiance does not lie completely with America.
00:29:12.000Now, I don't know what's in his heart.
00:29:13.000Maybe he loves America, but you have to be all in on the country.
00:29:16.000If it were Vatican versus America, I'd be with America, it's my country.
00:29:20.000Now I'm with God and Jesus Christ and the church and all that, but I'm also about my own country.
00:29:24.000So then I guess my question to you would be, since you do believe in the Pope, like you said, and you also believe that America should be coming first, what do you think about the Pope's comments when he says that we need to be building bridges, not walls?
00:29:35.000That's against the American president.
00:29:37.000Wouldn't that be fundamentally against what we're trying to do in this country?
00:29:40.000Because you're supporting a Pope that says one thing, but you're supporting a president that says another.
00:29:45.000Isn't that the dual loyalism contradictory?
00:30:03.000But I mean, if you're coming from it from the dual loyalism perspective, dual loyalism is dual loyalism despite the effect of what might happen.
00:30:10.000Yeah, well, I understand what you're saying.
00:30:11.000But it's like, you know, look, I'm Catholic.
00:30:28.000In the same way that me being Catholic doesn't intrinsically give me some kind of dual allegiance to Vatican City as a sovereign state.
00:30:35.000You know, for example, when the Pope says, I'm in favor of open borders, we should build bridges, I say that's ridiculous.
00:30:40.000You know, the Pope is the vicar of Christ on earth, and there are, when he contributes to the sacred magisterium, he's protected from error by Christ.
00:30:47.000This is technical, like Catholic language.
00:30:57.000Insofar as the Pope is the sovereign of a state called Vatican City, I'm against him, frankly.
00:31:04.000Insofar as he is the head of Christ's church in a spiritual sense, I'm for him.
00:31:08.000But, you know, I would never say that because the Pope says we have to build bridges, I support building bridges.
00:31:13.000And anybody who says I'm wrong is anti Catholic.
00:31:15.000But that, I mean, that is what Ben Shapiro does.
00:31:17.000He says, well, Israel must be defended.
00:31:19.000And if you oppose the defense of Israel, well, you oppose the existence of the Jewish.
00:31:22.000People and therefore you're anti-Semitic.
00:31:24.000I'm not even exaggerating what he says.
00:31:27.000Okay, so what you just said was that if you support, you can support the United States and support the Catholic Church at the same time without endorsing everything that the leader or what the state does.
00:31:37.000Why can't I, for instance, have a dual allegiance to Israel and the United States and not support everything that Israel does?
00:31:44.000I don't support that Netanyahu just went down on corruption charges.
00:31:47.000I don't support that if he's found guilty of those crimes, but I still inherently believe that supporting the only democracy in the Middle East is essential to our building blocks of.
00:31:56.000Encouraging democracy around the world.
00:31:58.000I think that's a good thing inherently.
00:32:00.000Okay, but the question becomes it's not really so much about the domestic politics within the country and supporting everything like their head of state does.
00:32:06.000It's really, well, I said, well, because you brought up about the Pope saying he's in favor of local workers.
00:32:29.000Where that becomes problematic is saying that if my heart is with another country, I will support policies that benefit, you know, policies in the United States that benefit that country to the detriment or at the expense of our own country.
00:32:40.000You know, so for example, it's not, you could say that, well, I don't support Benjamin Netanyahu, and you could even say that, well, I think it's good generally or good for America to support the only democracy in the Middle East.
00:32:52.000You know, if you said it's in America's interest to support Israel, that's why I support Israel, I'd say, okay, you know, we can have a conversation then.
00:32:58.000But if you say that you support Israel, again, at the expense, not you don't support Israel because they ultimately serve America's interest, but you support Israel in itself, you support Israel because of Israel's interest, and maybe you support Israel's interest at the expense of America's interest, that's where the dual loyalty can flick.
00:33:14.000That's where they're mutually exclusive because you can only serve one master.
00:33:17.000Is that you're using something called dual loyalty?
00:33:19.000You're using that general term, and you're talking about something that you're inherently endorsing Israel over the United States.
00:33:27.000Dual loyalism doesn't inherently mean that you're supporting them to a fall, it doesn't mean that you're supporting them to the United States' detriment.
00:33:33.000It just means that you are for Israel and you are for the United States.
00:33:38.000Why would someone represent that as a U.S. Senator or a U.S. Congressman or a U.S. President in general?
00:33:56.000Well, really, why should New America have loyalty to any other country?
00:33:59.000Because, and here's the problem for a long time, for a long time, I sort of, and this really sort of clicked for me is that Brett Stevens article.
00:34:07.000Because ultimately, you know, a lot of times people believe that a lot of times you can like Israel and like America.
00:34:13.000Oh, like, you know, I support Israel, closest ally, and I like America.
00:34:16.000But ultimately, because the world is a complicated place, and because Israel and America are, you know, Israel's a regional power, we're a global power.
00:38:06.000So my question is, where do you line up?
00:38:09.000If your allegiance is more to Israel, maybe you're loyal to both in a certain sense, but if Israel's first among them, well, you'll support the policy that comes from our side.
00:38:29.000So I guess, correct me if I'm wrong, but the biggest problem that you have is a problem with people inherently liking Israel more than the United States and liking their.
00:38:40.000Putting their goals and their interests above the United States.
00:45:44.000I'm shocked and appalled to see the way that free speech is being treated in this country.
00:45:51.000You know, to see just a young conservative, just a young person who cares about the president, who cares about the country, wants to make sure that we continue to have a country.
00:46:01.000To see the way that Charlie Kirk and Turning Point treat people like us, people like that specifically, having him harassed and detained by a group of police officers.
00:47:39.000What evidence do you have that the legal immigrants have?
00:47:46.000What evidence do you have of their voting power?
00:47:50.000I mean, when you're talking about Asians and Jews, you're talking about millions and millions of people who have largely come here legally.
00:48:03.000That's also the descendants of people who came here legally, maybe 50.
00:48:08.000Okay, so you're saying the first generation immigrants are good, and then the second generation immigrants are good.
00:48:15.000I'm saying that the first generation immigrants are unknown.
00:48:17.000You do not know the specific statistics behind the question.
00:48:19.000I know the long-term ramifications, right?
00:48:21.000Even if, like, once they get off the boat, they're like, oh, I love the GOP, and then, like, after that, all of their descendants are going to vote.
00:48:27.000But how can you measure, how can you tell that?
00:48:31.000How can you tell that their great-great-grandkids are going to vote a certain way?
00:48:35.000I'm just looking into demographics right now.
00:48:39.000I'm looking at even younger Cubans are voting increasingly for the Democratic Party.
00:48:45.000If you're going to cite certain statistics based on immigration and maybe Census Bureau, DHS, regardless.
00:48:52.000What you would have to do in order to reach an accurate, debatable statistic, and it's almost impossible to do this, is to measure the number of legal immigrants coming to the United States year by year from the DHS, cross-reference that with the Census Bureau information of all the immigrants that are coming to the federal court, double-cross-reference that with voting plans, voter registration records, and multiple cross-arrives.
00:49:11.000You don't actually need to do that if you want to arrive, and there's hyper-specific ideas.
00:49:15.000You don't actually need to do that because what you can say is that mass legal immigration is turning, is resulting in a lot of people.
00:49:35.000You want to narrow it down to this one specific autistic point.
00:49:38.000You've got to take a step back and look at the big picture.
00:49:40.000The big picture is that mass immigration is undeniably resulting in more votes for the Democratic Party.
00:49:44.000The way in which you're putting it is that the moment someone comes here and they become a citizen, they get their passport, they immediately vote Democratic Party.
00:49:50.000I'm not saying that everyone does that.
00:50:15.000So if Asian immigrants are using more welfare than native immigrants, your argument is kind of the inverse that the immigrant Asians are the ones who are more prone to the GOP.
00:50:38.000The reason why is because if I were to say that the majority, like the moment someone comes here and they vote, the moment that they become a citizen, they get their passport, if I were to say that they overwhelmingly vote Republican, you can't say that I'm wrong.
00:51:01.000And you're thinking of like a four year term.
00:51:03.000Mass immigration from non white parts of the world, Central America, Southern America, and Asia, has undeniably given the Democrats a vote.
00:54:35.000Hypothetically, before I get the data, which I can't pull up now because it's not so good.
00:54:40.000He has a very odd, again, you have to compare Census Bureau statistics with voting registration records, which is a very endeavorous analysis.
00:54:49.000They were walking by him, but yeah, Hispanics overwhelmingly voted Republicans from 1982 to 2003.
00:57:36.000I wouldn't deny that there's no point in reaching out to minorities.
00:57:40.000My main issue is the Hispanic vote is malleable.
00:57:43.000Contrary to what I hear a lot of people in your movement and supporters of Nick Fuentes have said that the Hispanic vote is not malleable when it's found to be free.
00:57:52.000I don't know if people are malleable enough to think about it.
00:57:55.000There are people in our movement that have said that it's the same every election cycle or whenever they're wrong.
00:58:24.000I think most of you go around the world and ask the majority in basically any country.
00:58:29.000Go ask Israelis if they want to become a minority.
00:58:31.000Saying that you don't want to be a minority in your own country implies that there is a connection between American culture and white culture.
00:59:06.000The Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1790 explicitly stated that people, just from the beginning, they created the Constitution, they created the country, and they're like, all right, let's determine who gets to come into our country.
00:59:18.000The Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1790 explicitly stated that people who wanted to become citizens had to be white.
01:00:03.000However, I would say that it would not be that much different if you are a minority in your own country than the way in which you're living your life right now.
01:00:10.000The way in which you're living your life right now would not be that much different if you were 49% of the population.
01:00:21.000If I'm living in a gated community in Malibu or something, it goes from 50 to 49, it's not going to matter.
01:00:29.000But we have to point out that, again, going back to the reshaping of our cultural institutions, the left is erecting a globalist slave plantation where people with my views could face, I mean, you already face personal issues.
01:00:42.000It's only going to get worse the more power that the Democrats have.
01:00:45.000And of course, mainstream Republicans are going to clutch their pearls but go along with it.
01:00:51.000The point is, even if I didn't just want to be a minority, even if that aside, the political ramifications of that, it's bad.
01:01:15.000Blacks and Hispanics are already having children faster than whites, and by 2065, white people, white Anglo-Saxon Protestants, are 49% of the population.
01:01:32.000They envisioned a Protestant majority.
01:01:34.000And my people came over here and ruined everything.
01:01:36.000The thing is, the thing is, is that opposition to immigration over time, from 1870 to 1920, opposition to immigration over time was historically rooted in opposition to Catholicism.
01:01:57.000But historically, they did build America to be a wasp country.
01:02:00.000And Catholics coming over, there was not a huge shift for Irish Catholics, Italian Catholics, which tripled the population of the United States, exploded the population of the United States between 1870 and 1920.
01:02:12.000White Anglo-Saxon Protestants make up 49% of the population, according to the Census Bureau in 2018.
01:02:17.000They're already a minority in the country, even though this country was technically built for them.
01:02:21.000So, and there isn't that huge of a shift in regards to I think it's a bad thing.
01:02:26.000What I'm saying is that white people in general, people of European descent, which again is very diverse, whether it be Polish, Irish, even Icelandic, again very diverse, but some of the values are still the same because it came from Anglo-Roman, Anglo-Norman, different ways of life, some of which are the same.
01:02:44.000But again, very diverse, ethnic and you would already be a minority in your own country regardless of immigration.
01:03:29.000So you were saying, you know, it doesn't really matter.
01:03:32.000You previously called for, you know, hundreds of millions of legal immigrants coming here.
01:03:36.000It's, you know, just talking about the implications.
01:03:39.000If these are going to continue up with the GOP, I would still post it for tons of reasons.
01:03:43.000The reason why I hit on that topic is because it's one on which, you know, most of the people who attend here are just utterly oblivious, right?
01:03:50.000They're just not willing to accept that.
01:03:52.000Like Charlie Kirk saying, you know, we need to bring in millions of Asian immigrants.
01:03:56.000So, I mean, again, there are many reasons that we are like, well, it's just too mass migration.
01:04:06.000I think we should not have the disposition to jump up and do things for an idea.
01:04:29.000Conservatives are based on these ideas, whatever those ideas are.
01:04:38.000Conservatives do not have the disposition to, like, this is why it's such a meme when people talk about the flaps or the bugaloo or, like, oh, if they try to take our guns, we're going to, like, rise up and start.
01:04:48.000Until there is a figure in the United States that stands up and leads that movement that rises, that rouses people up.
01:04:55.000And I'm not even talking about, like, political.
01:04:57.000I'm talking about in the hypothetical situation that the government tried to take guns and they were, like, doing all kinds of, you know, tyrannical stuff, like, actual abuses of serious abuses of power.
01:05:07.000Conservatives would not just rise up and do it unless.
01:05:09.000Or was somebody who stood up and had the authority, the power, the charisma, the money, or whatever, the.
01:05:17.000Anyways, all of those things to stand up and be able to lead people in, like, raising militia, raising army, and then tell people what to do.
01:05:23.000So it's the same with social, political, cultural ideas.
01:05:26.000We're never going to just, like, standing by the ideas hasn't worked, and it won't work.
01:07:07.000But I'll support anybody that's, like, an example of a family, but that doesn't mean that we can't, like, ignore the other stuff because that's not the ultimate goal.
01:07:15.000Graham Allen, Rant Nation, is, like, He's like yelling about guns.
01:07:19.000He's like yelling about all these liberals, these libtards.
01:08:06.000So, what I'm saying is, ultimately, we're not fighting against, like, Democrats or Republicans or Turning Point versus social DSA.
01:08:14.000Like, we're fighting against the people who are, like, ideologically and spiritually opposed to our goals, which is liberalism as a broad thing.
01:08:22.000So, look at who is scared of these people.
01:08:25.000Graham Allen, was Graham Allen, was he speaking here?
01:09:41.000So, I think we're going to go get food.
01:09:43.000However, I don't know if we're going to keep streaming or not.
01:09:46.000Hopefully, we can run into some turning people and keep this thing going.
01:09:50.000I kind of want to do an IRL type thing, but if I get told to turn it off, if they want privacy and people not harassing us, which happens obviously when we're out and about, I'll probably shut it off.
01:10:01.000I don't know how well it actually streamed because I know the bitrate was shit at the beginning, but hopefully it was all right for you guys.
01:12:40.000What we just did on the sidewalk is all we ever wanted at these QAs and all these things, is literally just to talk about, like, immigration, economics, foreign policy.
01:12:49.000And if you've been watching these streams, none of what we're saying is extreme.
01:12:53.000You know, obviously, I say things on my show that are outrageous or sensational because that's the medium, that's the internet.
01:12:59.000You know, I have a show that is somewhat comedic and hyperbolic.
01:13:01.000But when we have these conversations, you see that it is productive.
01:13:05.000People learn things they didn't know before, they hear a perspective they didn't hear before, and they have to have the police, like, fuck with us, they have to have the police arrest us, or, you know.
01:13:14.000Issue no trespass or whatever to prevent it from happening.
01:13:18.000And everybody's come out to me saying, you know, I don't even agree with you in a lot of cases, but they're treating you in a totally absurd and ridiculous fashion.
01:13:26.000So, I mean, that's what I have to say.