In this episode of America First, we talk about the debate with Mr. Medeker and how we feel about it. We also talk about our thoughts on the moderation of the debate and how it was handled by the Moderator. We also discuss the Dumpster Pumper debate and what we thought of it. And of course, we have a little bit of Dumper Pumper and a whole lot of other stuff. We hope you enjoy this episode and stay tuned for the next one where we discuss our thoughts and opinions on the debate. If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE on Apple Podcasts or wherever else you get your content. You can also join the conversation by using the hashtag on and in the comments section below. Thank you so much for being a part of this community and supporting this podcast. We appreciate it greatly. -Nick and the crew. XOXO, Nick and the Fuentes Crew. xoxo -The Fuentez Crew -Your Hosts: Nick, J.J. Fentones, Michael, A.J., and A.M. ( ) Michael and Alyssa ( ) Michael ( ) Nick ( A.S. ( ) Michael ( Michael's Dad ( , A.K. ( .J.A. ( ), A.D. ( ). ( ) & A.C. ( , , ) ( ) ( ( ), & ( .A.D ( ) , , and ) discuss the debate! Nick's reaction to Medeker's victory! , Michael's victory, . , & ) and . ( ) . The other guy's response to the debate, ) & ? ( ), (A.J.'s reaction to the one-sided debate? ( ) and the other guy s reaction to it? ( . ) (?) ( ] ) . . ( ). ( ) AND we discuss the one sided debate? Can't wait to hear back from you guys, can you tell us what you think about it's going to be better? (and what we think of it? ) - Is it better than the other side's response? , is it better, or not? )
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00:04:27.000So, uh, I don't know if I thought the moderation was totally fair.
00:04:31.000I'm not going to complain about that, though, because I still think it was a victory.
00:04:35.000But, yeah, I mean, I have to say it was a little bit biased.
00:04:37.000I have to say it was, what's his name, uh, Flamenco, and then it was, uh, well, a little bit of the other guy, a little bit of Michael, and, uh, of course, the person I was supposed to be debating against, Jim.
00:06:40.000Well, there were a few times in there where it just like fell apart when he was like, you're like Spartacus with your slippers and we're all like, dude, like, what are you even talking about?
00:06:49.000What are you even talking about, old man?
00:07:35.000And then, and this was the crux of it, the crux of the debate was, if there was some semblance of an argument going on, the only semblance of a debate was, are they butthurt, or is it just tit for tat?
00:07:52.000And then I asked him straight up, I said, okay, well here's a perfect example, porcelain.
00:07:56.000I reported porcelain, or I told people to report porcelain.
00:08:00.000I said, here's a guy who is just like a doxxer.
00:09:55.000So it wasn't even it wasn't even close as far as I'm concerned I thought it was just a total blowout and we it was like it was like a buffet because we had the PPP We had the re casino.
00:11:46.000And, uh, yeah, I mean, the nigga basically just proved my point.
00:11:50.000Cause I went on there to basically say, dude, like more than anything, the DMCA thing is what it is.
00:11:56.000People get mad about it, I don't care.
00:11:57.000People say, Nick, it's so ironic, they're like, you're just reporting this because you're mad!
00:12:04.000It's like, well, I'm sitting here, the most banned man on the internet, building my own shit, and then laughing at you, and then you're saying I'm crying.
00:12:12.000Like, when your shit gets taken down and we laugh, nobody's crying.
00:12:16.000The funniest thing is seeing all the YouTubers squealing.
00:13:07.000It's like if you come to me like you should feel bad for me because I lost my income and I'm like well I don't really feel bad because the same thing happened to me.
00:13:14.000I think and then you're like oh well I mean really again who's the one with the problem here?
00:13:27.000So that part of it is neither here nor there.
00:13:29.000The main thrust of the debate is like this cringy style where it's like
00:13:35.000this this fake voice like this fake laughing fake voice that the nigga does where he's like i can't even imitate it because i speak in declarations i don't do this up talking like stifling a fake laugh voice i just say hey like you're not funny
00:13:56.000And he's like, is that what Catboy said to you last night?
00:14:00.000It's like, fake laugh, fake voice, unfunny, stale joke.
00:14:08.000It's like, and don't get me wrong, if someone made that joke like three years ago, and I said, hey, that's not funny, maybe you could say like, you're just mad.
00:14:17.000But it's just like, it's like the one hit thing.
00:14:20.000Ralph Pooh, baked, you know, I don't know what the one is with him.
00:14:26.000As I like to say it's like we're tired and we like and and it was so funny like he exhausted himself I was still going at the end of the debate and the guy exhausted himself He's like he got bored with his own content, which was like he just keeps throwing out these like cheap
00:14:41.000Again, like late night show style one-liners.
00:14:45.000And at the end of it, everybody's like, oh, okay.
00:16:04.000That's like because we're not mad because you're the one that's pressed So he's gonna go on the stream and say oh, are you sure you're getting really mad?
00:16:14.000And then he's gonna be like wait a second.
00:17:46.000Play a little anime, play a little video game, shitpost on the internet, literally.
00:17:51.000And it's like, do you think anybody's impressed with that?
00:17:55.000Do you think anybody is like, whoa, he really doesn't care, what a freaking badass.
00:17:59.000That's why it doesn't... And the reason I brought up that tweet about like, Ralph hugging his kids or whatever, is because you can't play this, I'm above it all, it's the internet, none of it matters.
00:18:12.000And then you're gonna put out a tweet that's like,
00:23:21.000Well, that's how I talk I'm a you know, whatever So it's like you bro you were there is my point that was that was the point I was trying to make
00:23:38.000So he says, congrats to Michael who made some money there.
00:23:41.000At least someone got something out of it all.
00:24:33.000so and it was just like this constant like deflected to uh Ralph like the Ralph obsession is just weird frankly I don't know why everybody hates Ralph so much people go well here's here's all these reasons yes literally so what you know everybody's like you know oh I hate Ralph Ralph's like
00:27:35.000And I think, like, if you're basically 95 IQ, you think that's, like, the funniest thing since SpongeBob SquarePants, but... Nick is a gallery of Shakespearean characters?
00:28:57.000I just answered your question and it's like so if you if you're not just spamming like catchphrase every 10 seconds then It completely falls apart instantly Spartacus in the slippers and then he tries to go on to the next thing and we're like timeout.
00:29:29.000Grapefruit War was three years ago, dude.
00:29:32.000So... Yeah, and by the way, I want him to call me master from now on, because I think that's like... You know, I think that was his big mistake, is he said I was the master, and, uh, it's true.
00:30:23.000I Was I was trying to go for like nigga you were there and it just you know, sometimes it just comes out like that Sometimes it just comes out wrong Whoops Oops, oopsie.
00:30:37.000Oops, my bad Anyway, am I the only one live now what the heck where is everybody brah?
00:30:51.000Let me, uh, let me, I want to bring in some callers.
00:30:54.000Let me bring in some callers and start a voice chat on my telegram.
00:32:47.000It wasn't even close from the beginning like it really was Like I thought I I kind of agree with you like I thought he was bad I really honestly like I like you said before I like I'm a zoomer So like I don't even know the fuck this guy is like I had no idea the fuck this guy was And I just I'm like, okay I like I hear that he's a good debater and everything and then I watch the stream and he sucks unless you're just way better than him then that's and that's just the case but
00:33:51.000Uh, yeah, no, I watched that, and it hurt to watch just because of just... He just kept on repeating the same things, and it's... He didn't really just say anything.
00:34:00.000It's just, you know, you're gay, you're this, you're that, and it's like, okay, dude, you're a retarded... You're a retarded faggot that doesn't know what you're talking about.
00:34:31.000It's like yeah, you were playing along with him and it like pissed them off because you could tell that he thought of that Like he was gonna do it and I was gonna like mess you up and you just kept on playing with it He's like so confused and he's like, uh, yeah, he kept seething and then he would catch himself He would go like you're a fucking retard.
00:34:48.000And then I go it sounds like you're getting mad He's like no no, and it's like come on caught caught in 4k, dude.
00:35:28.000If this guy has a, like a, uh, word document or a Google drive document of just like bullet points where he copied and pasted directly from the Kiwi Farms.
00:36:24.000It's hard, well it's just hard to like, because when they say something like that, like what are you supposed to say back?
00:36:30.000It's really, it's like a content black hole because it just leaves you with like, okay that was terribly unfunny and now the conversation is kind of dead because there's no nuance and you're not charismatic.
00:36:42.000So yeah, they're just fucking, I don't know if they're that brained, I don't know if the IQ's that low, I don't know if it's an age difference.
00:37:19.000It's not funny, and it's also not effective either You know like I could sit there about baked Alaska and say we all know the things they say about baked, Alaska.
00:37:28.000Oh fed You know Ashton witty milk, whatever and it's like
00:38:18.000And then you also, you didn't like stoop to that level of, of where, you know, like you said, he was just repeating these same things that have been said for three plus years now.
00:38:27.000Um, you went in and I think you made like one joke about chemo and that was when you had the knife.
00:38:34.000And then I think you made like one wheelchair joke and that was it.
00:38:53.000It's like, you know, we are, we're both in on it, so to speak.
00:38:57.000We both know that's the thing that's sad and it's being deployed in a self-conscious way.
00:39:01.000And he's like, and, and like, the best part I liked was in the beginning when he's like, oh, ooh, what are you going to psychoanalyze me now?
00:39:08.000And it's like, that's, that's all the class clown has, you know, is like,
00:39:15.000It's like, pause, uh, here's why you're not funny.
00:41:37.000You know you were rebutting claims that were just you know like you were saying just been said a million times and just like let's get away from that rhetoric.
00:41:48.000Well and it's like the um it's like the Zimmerman thing you know it's like uh he said that at the at the beginning he's like oh it's because Zimmerman runs your website and I'm like yeah that's not true and he's like well someone at Epic built your website right I'm like uh no
00:42:06.000And then just go right on to the next thing.
00:42:22.000And what you're doing... What he's doing is not even, like, jokes.
00:42:24.000It's just sort of like a catty, like, um... It's like in Star Wars 2 when, uh... Slave 1 blasts a missile at Obi-Wan's...
00:42:33.000Starship and then he just drops a bunch of junk out the back of his spaceship and it hits the missile It's like you're just sort of like throwing up a screen You're just sort of like throwing up a screen of like just bullshit fake accusations Just general nonsense vulgarity, whatever Oh, you're mad vulgar thing lie here this and that and it's like but this isn't a this not a comedy routine That's not like a well-crafted joke.
00:42:57.000It's not a big laugh where you're just like you're just saying a bunch of shit to like
00:43:25.000It was just like, he couldn't engage in good faith a single time.
00:43:29.000I mean, there were times where you would lay out an argument, and he would just come back with this total effeminate, you're gay, you're this, this Kiwi Farms thing, that thing, and the next thing.
00:43:39.000It was just like, he really had no response for anything you argued.
00:44:39.000Well, yeah, and that's the irony is he's internet aristocrat, but it's the opposite of aristocratic.
00:44:44.000It's more like internet populist, because it's about just sort of jazzing up the lowest common denominator type people who are going to be like, that guy got hit in the head with a coconut!
00:44:55.000That guy got hit in the head with a coconut again!
00:44:56.000You know, it's like, OK, yeah, we've seen this movie before, so.
00:45:01.000Oh, hey, we got some more people in here, though.
00:45:02.000OpticsRespector, Kai Clips, what's going on?
00:48:40.000And that's why I brought up the fact that Medicare and Ralph knew each other, and like, that's the thing, you know?
00:48:45.000Then Medicare does this, like, lay-edgy, you don't have any friends on the internet, and it's like... And I think that was part of it, is they had a big falling out over, like, the Portugal thing a couple months ago.
00:50:09.000It's like Medicare saying, you're a rage pig, you're mad and Ralph not being mad and then this just like cycling in eternity is what's going on here.
00:50:20.000It's, it's just, yeah, I, I don't know when, and, and I hate this whole, like, the, the, like, cash cow, like, oh, it's a lol cow, dude.
00:50:28.000It's like, oh, we're going to, like, keep making fun of the same person.
00:50:32.000Like, doesn't that ever get a little bit boring, right?
00:50:35.000Like, if you, on every single show, we're still talking about, like, what Charlie Kirk and TPUSA were doing, it wouldn't be what it was, but these people can't let go of it because they know it's the only thing that makes them interesting, right?
00:50:46.000So now it's like, oh, we hate Ralph and we're like the Ralph Update channel.
00:50:51.000They can't divorce themselves from it.
00:50:52.000And I think the worst thing, I don't know, this bothers me a lot.
00:50:56.000It's like that obsession, the same thing that leftists do, where they always go out of their way to mention something vulgar or sexual.
00:51:03.000Like, oh, here, Nick, you have like this sexual fantasy.
00:51:07.000Or, hey, Ralph, why are you like, you know, it's sexually degenerate thing.
00:51:24.000Every single one of them left this too.
00:51:28.000Yeah no that is it's it's a very reddit like um you see that a lot on reddit like that's a big source of their humor is like just saying the f word a lot and just like mentioning something like gross mentioning like genitals like like the ralph thing was just like the punchline is uh poopy like that's literally yeah yeah uh okay like yeah whoa be nice to dalton be nice to dalton yeah yeah like i think poopoo is funny i think that's funny too but at a certain point it's like
00:53:34.000But I will say this, um... You probably didn't see this, Nick, but... Mikey said, uh, you know, he could get banned off Cozy, and he still has his YouTube channel.
00:53:55.000No, someone asked that in his chat, and you know, that's what he had to say about it, so... I think he's a little bit two-faced, because...
00:54:04.000you know like i said he he basically was hands off moderator the whole time and i got i got jim on a few things where i was pressing him and didn't intervene and then in the middle of the stream he's like uh you know jim's doing the cat boy thing which is so typical and michael's like yeah well uh yeah answer that though nick are you actually a homosexual and it's like
00:54:27.000Does that seem like, in terms of the debate and in terms of both sides, like, was that a relevant part of the debate?
00:54:33.000Or is that... I mean, to me, I don't think that that... And, by the way,
00:54:39.000It would be one thing if it was two-sided, but it wasn't.
00:54:41.000It was like there was no intervention except for... That would be like if I said, oh, Bettaker, you're gonna fucking die and you're, you know, have cancer.
00:54:50.000And he'd be like, wait a second, Jim, is it funny that you're dying?
00:54:54.000Like, you know, I think at that point you're kind of like putting your finger on the scale a little bit.
00:55:49.000I didn't like how after the stream, I don't even know if Nick saw this yet, but not after the stream, but after the- Oh, by the way, Nick, I'm gonna cut you off later, but you should've let Beardson in, I'm sorry.
00:56:44.000Well, and especially because I literally was like, oh, I'm going to leave because it wouldn't be fair if I, like, continue to argue after the debate.
00:56:52.000And then he's going to be like, oh, let me platform.
00:57:07.000hit the presidential palace and the x-eyed wherever he lives if he has 10 homes all destroyed at once with rods of god bro you got your stream playing yeah it is hello michael are you there oh there's he muted himself again multiple people call oh which one's real michael
00:57:31.000You're telling me there's some imposters among us?
00:57:35.000Start filling it full of explosives, parking it next to the... Okay, I don't know.
00:59:24.000Well, which... I don't know which ones specifically go through my Twitter timeline.
00:59:27.000Honestly, I don't really care that much, but I'm just saying... I'm just pointing that out, that that did... Well, I don't know... Well, I think it does matter, because, like, I don't think I've liked anything, like, shitting on you, like, hardcore.
00:59:37.000Maybe someone poking a little bit of... Let me pull up your fucking Twitter, then.
01:00:04.000Yeah, sorry, that was just my Telegram being retarded.
01:00:05.000You like this tweet where you like somebody saying, well, well, well, where I tweeted like three years ago that Medicare is pivotal to free speech?
01:02:01.000Well, yeah, it was a bit distracting, but the way, like, the chat was making it out, like, we couldn't hear a single thing him or saying, and that freaks me out.
01:02:09.000It's like, oh, fuck it, I, like, ruined the first 30 minutes of the stream.
01:02:15.000I mean, like, for, like, tips in the future, like, what I would do is, like, maybe pause every, like, 15, 20 minutes or so and just read your Super Chats, you know what I mean?
01:02:24.000And don't have the TTS on, like, whenever you gotta get a big guest like that, because it's just, like, it sucks.
01:04:12.000And all these, the leftists, like pretty much anybody who's like an enemy of what's right or what's good, these people just have no honor.
01:04:19.000They have no honor, they have no code.
01:04:22.000And even the part where you got into it about where it's like, oh, you're gay for respecting the law.
01:04:27.000Well, it's like, the thing is we have a dishonorable legal framework as it is, and they want to honor that.
01:04:34.000Rather than... I mean, to us, it's like, essentially, we're like the outlaws at this point, but we have like an honor among thieves type of actual code and actual honor amongst ourselves and amongst each other.
01:04:45.000And an honor for what's right and an honor for God.
01:04:48.000But they have... they only want to honor what...
01:04:51.000works in their favor so that they can continue being scumbags like it's just so repulsive it was just disingenuous like and that's what i was trying to say is you like i don't think he really does care about the law i think that that he's they're hiding behind shit like that hiding behind we're laughing hiding behind the law it's really just they want to talk their shit and then like just be left alone and it's like well
01:05:16.000You know, you can't talk shit and send people to fuck with the vents, and dox people's parents, dox people's priests, accuse someone of rape, and basically foster this culture where, like, that kind of stuff is commonplace, and then you get fucked with back, and then you're gonna say, oh, you broke the law.
01:06:06.000I thought it was, the funniest thing of the whole stream, I thought, was when you nailed him on the whole, like, internet friends thing, where he's like, yeah, that's right, I don't make friends on the internet, it's not real, like, what, is he like the nigga in a reality show that's like, I don't come here to make friends, I came here to win, you know, I'm not, you know, like, what a fag, dude, like, get the fuck out of here, man.
01:06:28.000I'm not friends with anybody, I'm here to cause drama, and I'm here to talk shit about people, I wanna be the top of the YouTube leaderboards!
01:06:41.000Yeah, and one other fucking thing that I don't understand.
01:06:45.000Isn't this the same nigga that said, hey, uh, you know, I delete my social media accounts like every few months just to keep my anonymity safe.
01:06:54.000And now he's just, he's selling merch now.
01:06:56.000He's fucking got his Twitter up with a whole bunch of followers or whatever.
01:07:20.000You do the same thing we do, in a certain sense.
01:07:23.000Not exactly the same thing, but you're a live streamer on the internet.
01:07:27.000and it's like this oh but somehow that i'm better some like no you're not ethan ralph does whatever he does in streams you cover it on a show you know i do my america first show you do your whatever live stream and like that is that was like a totally mask off moment
01:07:45.000There it is, like, uh, well, none of you are real people, and I'm just, I'm just, uh, the real, I'm the only real guy on the internet.
01:07:54.000Or, you know, maybe he'd say, no, there are no real people on the internet, I'm just the edgiest, whatever.
01:07:59.000So, uh, like, and that's just, that's gayer than anything, to be in something, and then saying, like, oh, but I'm not of this.
01:09:00.000They use that as a crutch, because when you can't retaliate on your own and keck it up, then you're gonna say, oh, well, I'm gonna take my ball and go home.
01:09:20.000I want to say, I'm going to bounce, but I want to say, I just love that you just, you guys just continue not missing.
01:09:27.000I mean, I don't want to like, I don't know, I'm like almost 40, but I'm just amazed at how much you guys, you know, for your age, God, it sounds lame, but you guys are just so on point.
01:09:37.000Like you keep making the right choices, you back the right people, you choose the right path.
01:11:40.000Honestly, it could have gone so much more south if he didn't get all his material from Kiwi Farms, because he could have just seen an image from a Telegram chat and been like, so Nick, you're really attracted to duck butts, aren't you?
01:13:35.000Well, I don't know anything about Medicare.
01:13:37.000I've, I've never even heard of him and I still don't even really know who he is, but you know, I mean, like you, you make it look so easy, but I still gotta give you, you know,
01:14:07.000Like, during the entire debate where he doesn't say anything substantial and he just says those annoying little things and you're over here trying to say stuff that's actually substantial, so.
01:14:16.000And you do it with a smile on your face, which is even more amazing.
01:14:59.000That's literally... I think my favorite... Go ahead, Tenryo.
01:15:03.000Uh, yeah, my favorite part of all of this was specifically when you were giving- you were giving him ammo to use against you, like, specifically with the, uh, he kinda, like, put himself into, like, a corner, uh, by mentioning the whole no-fly list before, like, and then you hit him with the fed stuff, it's like, okay, if he brings up the fed stuff, then the no-fly list stuff that he brought up earlier would be moot, and it's like, here, I'm giving you material to roast me with, and it's just like, you're not even fucking using it.
01:15:32.000yeah yeah yeah exactly the uh that was the you know that's the whole thing it's just i like at the beginning when he was like making fun of me for being rich it was like you say you're a millionaire but yet you also don't have a bank it's like yeah both of those things are true uh my god oh that's a huge oh and like i'm most wanted and i'm still rich like oh damn wow oh so you do have a bank account yeah
01:16:46.000That's the real metric, I think, because, honestly, all the-all the millennials are like, Nick is gut guarding for Ralph, and it's like you're speaking another language.
01:16:54.000Like, I don't know what these words mean.
01:16:56.000They're like, he's gut guarding, troll farming, like, what?
01:17:01.000And then these zoomers watch and they're like, who even is Medicare?
01:17:04.000You know, so it's clearly like a generational divide.
01:17:07.000Dude, all these drama streamer, like, faggots talking, like, they talk in, like, memes, dude.
01:17:13.000Like, remember when we used to make fun of people like that for, like, saying, like, epic troll, like, out loud and stuff?
01:17:18.000Like, that's what these faggots do all the time.
01:17:20.000Like, I heard, like, one of them say, like, something about, like, A-logging or something like that, and I was, I literally, like, paused, like, what the fuck does that mean, dude?
01:19:27.000I just love this hug box thing because he kept saying that and like I I know what like I can't infer what it means but I don't like know what it means and I I had a sneaking suspicion it's like it's the same energy as TRS you know because TRS has been doing the same jokes for like 10 years and they have like their own insular language and like if you're not
01:19:47.000Watching TRS podcast since like 2014 like you wouldn't know what they mean when they say like Donation or like whatever and they come at you with this like this other language And they're like owning you in their own dialect, and I kept hearing him say like hug box Oh, I guess they need their hug box like again like I can infer what that means and then sure enough I google it and and like that's literally it hug box chronicles from 2014 and you realize funny or not funny is
01:20:15.000nothing is funny for eight years like there's no catchphrase that's funny for eight years and it's literally like jazz hands mcfeel's levels of like stale because that that's the same thing the guy branded himself the guy from fascination is jazz hands mcfeel's because you know years ago there was a news story about how they said use jazz hands instead of clapping because clapping's triggering
01:20:37.000And that was like a Flavor of the Week, like, SJW story six years ago.
01:22:28.000I can't believe, I can't believe the guy that runs a channel called Drama Alert is very vested in the interest of drama being propagated all throughout the internet, regardless whether it's true or not, too.
01:22:39.000It's like, get fucking real, gnome-asshole bitch.
01:23:32.000Yeah, you did win because you did make the money, so I guess that's a dub for you.
01:23:36.000Yeah, I thought you were very entertaining on the stream, because you had new attacks, you had all this stuff planned, you were out there, you were edgy.
01:23:46.000I thought Monika was entertaining too at portions, but I don't know, I was expecting a better showing from him, I guess.
01:23:54.000The real winner's Michael Zimmerman, we all know that.
01:23:57.000Michael Zimmerman's the real winner tonight.
01:23:58.000He's laughing all the way to the bank.
01:24:04.000I can't believe Jim actually brought that shit up, like, for real.
01:24:06.000He's like, oh, Michael Zimmerman runs your site?
01:24:58.000He's got black Hebrew Israelite training.
01:25:02.000Let me ask you, Michael, I mean, what do you think about the portion when he was like, and I wish you would have pressed him on this a little bit more, I think the crux of his argument, to the extent that there was one, was something like, and he said in his closing statement, you're thin-skinned because you're reporting people for laughing at you.
01:25:24.000Well that is uh um that's you're crying you can't handle the banter so you need to take banter offline because it hurts your feelings and my argument was like well it's it's not it's got nothing to do with hurt feelings or laughing it's got to do with like people that are obviously doing more than laughing and to me that rests on like the behavior of the people in question like porcelain who i reported or flamenco who is dhca and i said like okay in the case of porcelain here's a guy who has a history
01:26:23.000I don't know if, like, I wouldn't consider all the time, maybe sometimes, not really, maybe in your case, that sometimes doing the DMCA shit is, I guess you could say sometimes the people who do it are hurt feelings, but I guess in the case of Flamenco and Ralph, you know, it's like a beef.
01:26:40.000I mean, I still disagree with the DMCA stuff.
01:26:42.000I mean, everybody who, like, watches my content knows that.
01:26:45.000I mean, I talked about it in the Medicare video, my stance on it.
01:26:51.000All these YouTube guys get really mad about the DMCA.
01:27:58.000Especially when there's this conflict of interest of you're a YouTuber, you're vulnerable, and you have no way to react.
01:28:03.000Like, yeah, a DMCA, you, not you in particular, but I'm saying, you know, generally speaking, second person, you know, one might say, oh, DMCAing is the one thing that's beyond the pale, also happens to be the one thing that is an asymmetrical advantage for Ralph.
01:28:18.000That's the one thing Ralph could do to you that you really can't retaliate against, or don't want to, because a lawyer to countersue is expensive.
01:28:26.000And that's all I'm saying is pointing out that it's not bad in itself, it's bad because it's bad for you.
01:28:32.000And people are pretending it's bad in itself, when really it's just bad for them.
01:28:36.000Well, yeah, and this whole thing, too, is like, you know, the way that I've at least seen the argument a lot of the times, it's like, essentially, it's not that, like, people are mad at Nick, or, you know, for DMCA-ing people, it's they're mad because he doesn't care that somebody else did it, you know what I mean?
01:28:50.000That's really what, like, the crux of, like, a lot of this conflict is.
01:28:54.000It's like, they're, like, basically, all these YouTubers are, like, screaming in our faces, like,
01:28:58.000Why don't you care that this is happening to me?
01:31:30.000You know, YouTube would allow everybody, and Twitter would allow everybody, and you couldn't, like you said, you can't abuse DMC, you can't abuse TOS.
01:31:37.000But insofar as those things are in place, and we're subject to them, and those are the laws of the fucking internet, then I don't think there's anything wrong with, like, manipulating the rules.
01:31:47.000I don't think there's anything wrong with, like, using the rules to your advantage.
01:31:52.000Like, yeah, people go, oh, you're anti-free speech.
01:31:55.000Well, you know, unfortunately, we don't live in a free speech environment.
01:31:58.000So, I'm supposed to say, oh, I may not agree with every lie and slander and dox and everything, but I'll defend to the death, you're right to have a Twitter account while I don't have one.
01:32:22.000The part about you talking about Rambo, I think maybe that's why a lot of people are upset with me because I let him come in for like 10 minutes at the end to fight with Kai or whatever.
01:33:41.000Yeah, no, I was like nervous at first because I wasn't expecting to even go on.
01:33:46.000But when Keemstar came on, I mean, well, first of all, like, I'm still shocked how much, like, his name and Ethan Ralph's name were mentioned the whole time.
01:33:56.000It's like every other sentence was like, make Alaska this and Ethan Ralph this.
01:34:01.000And, but yeah, when Keemstar came on, like, cause I was trying to let you two duke it out.
01:34:06.000Uh, when Keemstar came on, I was like, Oh my gosh, I've been waiting.
01:34:09.000Like I literally have been, I've tried to confront him.
01:34:12.000Like I found an event and he was at, and I tried to street, like I was going to challenge him to like a boxing match for snitching on me.
01:34:17.000So I was so ready to fuck him up, bro.
01:34:21.000And I'm so pissed that he left or I was trying to get in, but, um,
01:34:26.000It didn't really work out, but I don't know, maybe Michael, maybe someone could set that up.
01:34:30.000I would love to debate Keemstar, have a conversation, because he literally snitched on me.
01:34:51.000It's like, how are these motherfuckers crying about someone getting reported when they, he literally, uh, you know, tags the FBI and tries to get me arrested and all that.
01:35:03.000But, uh, yeah, no, I, I thought the, um, the debate was good.
01:35:07.000Um, I think like it was so annoying, just, uh, Medicare deflecting everything and not, not giving any serious answers.
01:35:19.000It was like, holy shit, you know, like, and yeah, the fake laughing and the moral grandstanding and like thinking he's above it all, better than everyone.
01:36:25.000Um, you know, and whatever, but don't pretend like, you know, you're, you have higher morals than everybody in the room and your shit doesn't stink.
01:36:35.000So, you know, that's my problem with it.
01:37:09.000Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, and that's what Jim's main frame was, you know, Nick can't handle people making fun of him.
01:37:19.000And that's a perfect example, is, you know, Nick has people on Cozy he doesn't agree with all the way, or whatever, they piss him off, you know, Stu Peters, Flamenco, whoever.
01:37:30.000And like, you know, it takes a lot of character to, you know, let people on that disagree with you and all that.
01:37:37.000And I want to say too, for myself, it's like,
01:37:40.000I am, you know, I run Power Chat with a team and like, guess what?
01:37:50.000They use a Power Chat on Kino Casino and even though they're doing really, really, really fucked up things and I've had, you know, I have the ability to ban them.
01:38:00.000You know, we made the call not to ban anyone and we don't really want to set that precedent.
01:38:05.000Um, you know, so it's like this whole thing that like me and Nick and Ralph, you know, we just want to, uh, you know, take everyone down that makes fun of us.
01:38:32.000So that's basically Yeah, and The what do you call it the reporting that I do is mostly on Twitter and
01:38:45.000And mostly it's just, I would love to just, like, kill accounts.
01:38:49.000Like, I would get on Twitter, and I would name search myself, and you'd have, like, some libtards, like, man, if I saw Nick Funches, I'd fucking kill him.
01:38:57.000And I'd report that, and then I'd get, like, oh, this person's account was immediately blocked.
01:39:21.000It's like, you got knocked off the cliff, alright?
01:39:24.000You fucked up, you get knocked off the cliff, you know?
01:39:27.000and um yeah i mean what the it's and ironically these are the ones that are taking it so seriously like on the one hand they're like oh i don't care about the internet i'm above it all at the same time they're like you too you took down my stream this is the worst thing ever i it's like so how do you once think like you don't care about any of this at all but at the same time if we fuck with your thing oh like like you said it violates a geneva convention you're like a bad person you're a hypocrite whatever it's like i thought you didn't care about anything dude i thought you don't have friends on the internet and all that
01:40:26.000What, you're not too cool for the internet?
01:40:29.000Bro, no, like, holy shit, like, and, and, like, I, I mean, we understand more than anyone, yeah, irony bros, you know, we make memes and jokes, but it's like, at some point, bro, at some point you can say one genuine sentence, like, what is Jim like a fucking Andy Kaufman, like, performance artist or some shit?
01:41:02.000It's all just, like, cope and, like, you know, this, like, weird protectionism where it's like, if I don't get connected to anybody on the internet, then everyone's a target and then no one can stab me in the back and, like, yeah.
01:41:12.000And it's like, yeah, because you're too afraid to fucking make connections with people or whatever.
01:41:57.000Hey, I wanted to point out real quick, because this is, like, super important, is, like,
01:42:02.000Um and good job to everyone like we have the best fucking team but like one thing I just noticed at the end is like we were in the pre-show and it was like me and Beardson and Nick
01:42:14.000And Ralph, and the homies, and like, dude, we were gen- Brittany, uh, Stardust, I- I don't really know them, but, like, we were genuinely just, like, kecking our fucking asses off, and then, like, Jesse has this, like, pickle costume come on, and he, like, just triggered the Keto Casino, and, like, they're, like, so mad, and they're, like, fighting, and they're like, oh my god!
01:42:36.000You know, and, like, we're just in there, like, having so much fun, just, like, memeing, and, like, kecking our asses off, and, like,
01:42:44.000I just noticed like the energy between the two groups like you know they can think they're like better than everyone but like and they can do their little fake laughter or whatever but like they can't fake true happiness they can't fake true contentment and just like kicking back with the bros like I had so much fucking fun tonight like I and thank you Nick for putting this on Michael um
01:43:07.000Great job man, you know like yeah, I have a couple notes like turn off the fucking TTS, but you know, you're uh, you're new you're new so I Know that I forgive you.
01:44:47.000When it comes to the plea agreement, that's obviously a very difficult situation that somebody who just does internet for their entire living and has a trust fund would know nothing about.
01:44:58.000A 40-year-old with no real job and doesn't leave his house and doesn't have any skin in the game would know nothing about being persecuted by the government, being put in solitary confinement, having to wear an ankle monitor and so on.
01:45:09.000And you know it's notable, I looked into this by the way, and obviously we talked about your plea deal and everything, and I looked into it and wouldn't you know it, and of course because these people are not honest they wouldn't know this, for the first time ever they're putting in the plea agreement a special provision where it says that there's a limited form of cooperation, where the only form of cooperation they want is access to the social media.
01:45:56.000For the first time ever these plea agreements don't contain because usually it's just sort of like a broad like cooperation with law enforcement.
01:46:02.000This says specifically and they say we've never seen anything like this before.
01:46:06.000You literally look up plea January 6 and let me see if I can find the article that I was reading the other day.
01:46:15.000And it literally says, oh, like, lawyers have never seen this before.
01:46:20.000It's like a limited form of cooperation.
01:46:22.000And that's actually a serious accusation.
01:46:26.000To call somebody a federal informant is actually a serious thing.
01:46:33.000To say that with a reckless disregard for the truth would meet the definition of defamation for a non-public figure.
01:46:40.000You could even say it's malice if it's a public figure if the person says that knowingly and like that so you can get on somebody's case for oh like we're just laughing and you can't take it like saying somebody's a federal informant when that's not true and you know it's not true is reputational sabotage and like that's not right so you can you can bitch and moan about oh like this is especially bad or something but defamation is pretty fucked up too actually
01:47:06.000Yeah, and and just so I don't know if people know but I also looked this up apparently only 2% of Federal defendants even go to trial which was kind of blew my mind like I guess 98% of them are pleased Yeah, yeah, none of these cases are going to trial and here it is here.
01:47:39.000So it says, um, at least 60 people who pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor, which would be you, if you take the agreement, because you're being charged with a misdemeanor, which is parading.
01:47:52.000At least 60 people who pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor agree to cooperate with the feds too, but to a lesser extent.
01:47:57.000They're letting the FBI take a look at anything they posted on social media about the riots or giving an interview.
01:48:02.000The evidence in the investigation is drawn heavily from Facebook messages, Parler, YouTube, etc.
01:48:09.000It's an unusual provision since usually cooperation is all or nothing.
01:49:13.000Oh Like you got squeezed by the feds and now you're gonna lie about a horrible situation to hurt someone's reputation Like I'm sorry, what's the punchline like?
01:49:22.000So it's gay to DMCA somebody but it's not gay to accuse somebody of being a federal informant when they're not Yeah No, that's fucked up for real.
01:49:38.000And, uh, like also the, the, the kind of funny thing is that, so yeah, that's the only provision is that they say like, okay, we need to see the social media posts that you did on January 6th.
01:50:12.000So it's like, what like, so I have to be like, okay, here's the URLs for three banned accounts.
01:50:18.000Here you go, like, I really don't see what the issue is here.
01:50:22.000Otherwise, I go to trial in a DC court and they slap felonies on me and I possibly go to a DC jail, which is 88% black, the male jail, for a couple years.
01:54:30.000You're gonna stop being a Zoomer at some point.
01:54:33.000The thing he said at the end where he's like, oh, like you complain about getting swatted, uh, but yet you love the cops or don't love the cops or something.
01:54:41.000It's like, nigga, that doesn't even make any sense.
01:59:36.000I mean it's like that's self-evident and everyone gets that but it's like for fuck's sake the like you you just watch the debate I came in right I don't know I'm just gonna sound kind of gay but I I came in and I was willing to give Jim a shot even though like he was being a gay retard about it but like holy shit
01:59:54.000He was just it was just like you said it was a zinger zinger zinger and they're not even funny it's like you would just shut him down constantly and there's there's nothing he could do and then it's just like I don't I don't know I'm kind of repeating myself here but it was just like there is no way you think Jim Medicare won
02:00:11.000That fucking relic of the internet with the other refuse he's congregating with like this fucking like just this group of degenerates I don't know I'm kind of going off here but it's like no go off like look at our enemies look at our enemies Nick look at them they're fucking dying of cancer they're ugly they're fat they're Jewish they're gay they're trans they're literally seething about you non-stop it's so fucking it's a it's pathetic
02:00:39.000It's like, I mean that's self-evident, but it's like, holy shit, man.
02:00:54.000On, on points, like, even on a technical level, you're right.
02:00:57.000Like, there, at no point during the debate was I, like, tripped up, but there were at least like a half dozen to a dozen moments where there was silence, where it was like, oh, nope, fuck that one up, you fuck that one up, like,
02:01:09.000The Zimmerman thing, the Gish Gallop, the Spartan slippers, the did porcelain docks, the parents, whatever.
02:01:15.000Even when he's like, he was trying to do this thing where he's like, is your website section 230 compliant?
02:01:19.000I'm like, yeah, go to like DMCA.faggot or whatever.
02:01:22.000And it's like, you're like, you just have, you have nothing on me that we haven't heard before.
02:01:28.000And it's just like, like he says, barrage tactic.
02:01:30.000If I just say a bunch of stuff, like that's going to count for something or whatever, but it's like, none of those hits are landing.
02:01:36.000When you just say Catboy, it's like, that doesn't land actually.
02:01:40.000Yeah, and I think this will definitely play out.
02:01:43.000I'm going to rewatch the debate again.
02:03:49.000Well, I thought it was so good, and it just made it so clear the disconnect between the Gen Xer when Millennial, whatever he is, he talks like a Gen Xer.
02:04:00.000He's so disconnected, he doesn't even get the jokes, he doesn't get the mustache, he doesn't get the vibe.
02:04:05.000This guy, it's like he's been on fucking 4chan still for the past 3 years.
02:06:23.000a little bit yeah i mean uh it's like even though that article came out with the uh the trendy like ball pan it's like oh man this is cringe cringe alert yeah he's cool though i'm kind of yeah he's not i don't think he's incriminated with the uh the bat shit because he was always kind of his own guy bap is like something else i fucking hate because that's all astroturfed at least mike ma's like a real human being you know
02:07:49.000uh yeah bro i love the performance today it was a great stream and i just wanted to touch on the yeah like medicare's whole demeanor the whole above it all thing you can totally sense it throughout the entire debate and uh it's sort of like uh when you're dealing with like an atheist and they're like they choose to be an atheist and they strongly believe in this or that and that
02:08:18.000You reverse back to, oh, I actually don't care about anything.
02:12:03.000And then, I remember watching that stream live.
02:12:05.000You, like, you just tore into this guy.
02:12:08.000And he's still talking about, like, Michael Zimmerman and stuff.
02:12:11.000These people, they have, like, four jokes, and then they, um, they have, like, four jokes, and then they, like, write them all down, and then they must read off a script or something.
02:12:49.000It's like, but what is this exercise where you come on and just recite things that everyone who hates me has already said, read, laughed at for years?
02:14:14.000Well and you can tell that they weren't landing because they kept having to switch up.
02:14:18.000I maintained the same frame the entire debate and he just switched up from... and I honestly want to go back and watch the stream and put like I want to make a t-chart and on one side is me and on one side is Medicare and just tally up it's like okay Zimmerman lie, Fed lie, plea deal lie, Catboy, mustache, you know and it's like
02:14:42.000So if something's working, you keep using it.
02:14:44.000If something's not working, then you have to switch up.
02:14:46.000And so it's just like this grab bag of like, oh, this one didn't stick.
02:14:57.000And it's like, so at that point, you just have this bag of tricks that, that doesn't work, which nobody's impressed by, like nobody's laughing at.
02:15:06.000Um, and like that, that's the proof of it.
02:15:08.000If it was good, it would just land, but none of it landed.
02:15:13.000Yeah, and them being condescending when we're, like, so much better than them in every way.
02:15:19.000It's just, like, what is with the up-talking?
02:15:38.000Everything that he says is just like, like he's stifling a fake laugh.
02:15:42.000It's literally like, oh my gosh, you're like, oh my gosh, you're hanging out with like her?
02:15:48.000Like his, everything that he says is done in this like catty, bitchy, like OMG, wow, just wow, like stifling a fake laugh voice.
02:15:58.000And if you called that I'd be like cuz I'm laughing at you and it's like that you're like literally just a fake bitch That's why it's not cuz it's funny.
02:16:07.000You're just a fake bitch and Another thing is is that like leftists?
02:16:12.000They always like bring up like gross sexual shit like leftists so like say a bunch of weird sexual shit on their streams and then they bring up like oh
02:16:22.000You're like a raging homosexual and then they'll like say something disgusting about like Ethan Ralph and like his porno.
02:16:58.000I mean, yeah, poo-poo is funny, but like, in a certain way, in a certain context, but this just like endless, endless barrage of cheap throwaway, like, butt sex jokes.
02:17:08.000It's like, if we not all move way past that, is that not just, like, totally... At a certain point, it's just not even funny.
02:21:39.000Sigma underscore mower sent three dollars.
02:21:42.000Matokor would make his point in a totally serious way, then when countered would act like your serious response was out of pocket and proved you're mad or something and he was truly above it all.
02:22:53.000You absolutely baptized that nigga, my nigga.
02:22:56.000It does not matter if you're a hypocrite in the eyes of a degenerate government as long as you're not a hypocrite when it comes to biblical law.
02:23:03.000Yep, well said, well said, absolutely true.
02:23:11.000Doesn't moderate at all, sits and collects the money, then right after lets on that Aussie Wigna and Trannies to trash you.
02:23:17.000Doesn't have to be an AF loyalist but common?
02:23:22.000yeah I mean we I talked about that with him so I'm gonna let him off the hook because I think he's young and this is his first big stream and I don't think he's malicious but yeah you're not the first person to say that but I I think people should take it easy on him because he's again I don't think he means any harm I think he's just learning the ropes here so you got to cut him some slack
02:25:03.000So yeah, all this shit's gonna happen to us and we're gonna take it on the chin and then we're gonna be like, yeah, everyone, oh, you lost your YouTube channel?
02:25:33.000You know, it's like, you don't have friends on the internet.
02:25:36.000It is a generational thing because I grew up on the internet.
02:25:40.000So I love the internet because I met really good people on the internet, and they are real people, and it is a real friendship, and they are my real friends.
02:25:49.000And yeah, you can actually do meaningful things online.
02:25:53.000It doesn't actually matter the medium of communication.
02:25:55.000That's like saying, oh you wrote something in a book?
02:28:53.000It only works if you're disinterested, but if you've invested enough to go at it for longer than five minutes, you're clearly not disinterested, meaning his rhetorical style falls apart.
02:30:15.000I'm admittedly on Nick's side, but objectively Nick has a big advantage here because he's objectively funny himself and doesn't rely on other people doing the stupid shit while he plays a straight man.
02:30:23.000In retrospect, Jim shouldn't have debated Nick.
02:30:26.000Faceless guy on the internet only points and laughs non-stop.
02:30:28.000Is seriously calling me a pussy for not walking into the White House.
02:30:55.000Keem and Jim's argumentative style, both like high schoolers where they just pretend what they've heard is ridiculous even though the entire audience agrees with what was said.
02:31:02.000Ha ha ha, New World Order, New World Order, New World Order's 2007 Alex Jones.
02:31:06.000Literally, at the very least, three major world leaders and the official Russian military have used this term in the last 30 days, brah.
02:32:48.000In the Nick vs. Medicare debate, I thought there was a missed opportunity by Nick that he failed to snatch from the conversation turn to censorship and what Nick has done and is doing vis-a-vis Medicare's dismissal of leaving an internet legacy.
02:32:59.000Nick brushed up on in several ways that he created the censorship-proof streaming platform in response to being on person.
02:33:04.000Now he has been targeted on a no-fly list.
02:34:41.000As opposed to saying like, I'm actually super important.
02:34:45.000You know it creates a lot of exposure so so I like I agree all of that is true all of that is totally true but if you say that on that stream you create an opening where you're making like a serious claim about yourself and by making it about yourself you kind of open yourself up to ridicule where anybody would be like oh you're taking yourself too seriously it's sort of like asking for that so that's so I agree with the point I just
02:35:21.000I think one of Nick's weak points in the debate is that he doesn't know very much about Medicare.
02:35:25.000Being ignorant of the history meant that he spent too much time explaining himself and not enough time pressing Medicare for being a giant hypocrite faggot.
02:35:31.000He already spent enough time explaining his own position in the streams leading up to the debate.
02:35:36.000Yeah, but the people watching the debate, you know, you need to say it within the stream also because then that's what lives on in posterity.
02:35:44.000Medicare's constant weaseling, waffling, interrupting made it impossible for Nick to fully articulate his points.
02:37:34.000I forgot it that but he's like you were drunk on Easter Sunday I I have never had a sip of alcohol.
02:37:40.000I don't even know what alcohol tastes like I've never had a sip of alcohol in my life and Anybody will tell you that going back to high school in college.
02:39:04.000I called some guy dumb something something and that was that.
02:39:07.000These days at minimum you lose your access to the game.
02:39:09.000No refunds or what you said could be tracked back to you, traced back to you, and you lose your job or even know where I live with the new online hate speech laws they passed.
02:41:39.000He thinks he's like Tom and Jerry making you look silly but he's really the bitch-made boxer that runs away all night and tries to win on points with hits that don't do any damage.
02:43:54.000Nobody else mentioned it but I thought it was so funny when Jim started picking on Flamenco for the pegging thing.
02:43:59.000Flamenco literally mimics Jim's mannerisms and his idol just has no loyalty whatsoever.
02:44:04.000Flamenco was like the biggest loser because he was just kind of like yapping.
02:44:08.000He was sort of just like yapping while Jim was doing his thing and like nobody respected him and just like trying to do the Jim thing but just not as effectively.
02:46:59.000Yeah, maybe if you're still on YouTube and Twitter like you are, but if you're banned from YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, DLive, Twitch, TikTok, Reddit, Discord, etc, etc, etc, I think we're talking about a different ballgame, but he won't go there.
02:47:13.000He's a free speech guy, but he's gonna make his videos on YouTube and not Odyssey because he knows that.
02:50:05.000My victory condition is to not get mad, which was achieved.
02:50:10.000The same people that hated me before still hate me.
02:50:13.000The people that like me thought I won.
02:50:15.000You know and what what they thought would happen is like, oh Nick's gonna get pressed and I didn't get pressed the victory condition for him Well, there really wasn't anything in it for him here so he just came in and just got shit-talked and embarrassed and like laughed at and I think lost some serious credibility as a funny man I don't think anybody is new to medic or watching that debate and thinking like wow, this guy's funny I got to check this guy out
02:50:39.000You know, so when you assess the victory I won on a technical level because I just got more points and I just was more convincing But also you have to think about in terms of victory conditions Which is sort of like the real to sort of real victory versus the nominal victory And the real victory is like I got a huge stream on my platform.
02:51:02.000Okay, that's number one So I win I win before it even begins I went before it starts because I get a huge fun stream on my platform that everybody's talking about
02:51:10.000And it's gonna have millions of views when all is said and done.
02:51:14.000Two, again, if Medeker's coming into this, and there's a lot of Zoomers that don't know who he is and he's sort of like coming out of retirement, even if you thought he won, it definitely wasn't like an easy, it wasn't clear.
02:51:27.000You know, even if you, even if you disagree, like it's not like it was a slam dunk.
02:51:32.000You know for him and so it wasn't really a big victory for him as like this older He's supposed to be the elder statesman He's twice my age and it really wasn't a great performance no matter how you cut it even if someone say oh Well, he technically won or whatever.
02:51:48.000He really wasn't a blow away It wasn't a blowout even Michael who likes Medicare said yeah, he was entertaining sometimes, but I didn't think he went hard enough so
02:51:58.000It doesn't really justify the coming out of retirement.
02:52:00.000If he thinks he's so above it all and better, it's like, why did you come here and give, like, a completely shitty, basically ass-blasted performance?
02:52:07.000And then also, nobody who's new is gonna say, oh, wow, this guy's hilarious.
02:52:24.000I think his reputation as a funny man is scathing because here I am basically a respected funny person saying yeah like I'm calling you out your content is shit and if you're a content creator like that that actually does matter if you care about being funny that does matter actually people can say whatever they want about me but nobody ain't nobody gonna tell me I'm not funny because I am funny so I think it's a big loss of credibility this whole performance so basically by every count total Aryan victory
02:52:56.000so yeah so big big night big cozy night this is what cozy's for you know like the DMCA's come to cozy if not I got no sympathy for you but yeah let me see what am I gonna play what's a fitting what's a fitting maybe use something low-key you know because it's like a low-key