America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - December 20, 2019


[@simonsasquatch] Nick at SAS incl Ben Shapiro encounter

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Nicholas J. Fuentes
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Charlie Kirk Ben Shapiro Cassie Dillon Koch Jake Wade Nick Fuentes Assad Milton Friedman Brett Stevens Patrick Casey Joe Biden Shabbat Hitler George Washington Elizabeth Warren Grover Norquist Benjamin Theron Elliot Hamilton Elijah Schaefer Ronald Reagan Sheldon Eagle and 12 more
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In this episode, I sit down with conservative icon Charlie Kirk and discuss his life, career, and political career. We talk about his views on abortion, gay marriage, immigration, and much more. It's a fascinating conversation and I hope you enjoy it.

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00:00:00.000 You came right at the right time. 1.00
00:00:07.000 Oh, shit. 0.99
00:00:08.000 It's great to see you. 1.00
00:00:12.000 Why did you give a 45 minute speech about me at Stanford and you won't even look in my direction? 0.98
00:00:21.000 Hey, hey, hey, hey, let him cross, man. 0.99
00:00:25.000 Let him cross.
00:00:26.000 I know you're with your family, but I can't get you anywhere else. 0.99
00:00:36.000 A 45 minute speech? 1.00
00:00:39.000 Hey, let him cross.
00:00:41.000 Let him cross.
00:00:43.000 I think he doesn't want to.
00:00:47.000 That's our free speech warrior, everybody.
00:00:53.000 Champion of the world.
00:00:55.000 The battle of ideas.
00:00:56.000 Good job, man.
00:00:57.000 Woo!
00:01:02.000 He's crossing the street and he uses his voice. 1.00
00:01:04.000 I guess he's just like the Palestinians using human shields, right? 1.00
00:01:06.000 That's what I'm trying to say. 0.99
00:01:08.000 Oh.
00:01:09.000 So I find it very fascinating.
00:01:10.000 I can't play GTA, you know?
00:01:12.000 Won't even look in my direction.
00:01:13.000 Won't even acknowledge me.
00:01:14.000 But he picked up his daughter.
00:01:16.000 Yeah, could you see that?
00:01:17.000 He took her out of the store.
00:01:18.000 You could see that.
00:01:19.000 Well, I mean, a very chance encounter.
00:01:20.000 So, I mean, are you trying to.
00:01:24.000 Oh, I know.
00:01:24.000 I have a question.
00:01:26.000 So I saw part of those people.
00:01:28.000 Aren't you, like, splitting up parts that I could sort of illuminate?
00:01:34.000 What's going on, man?
00:01:36.000 We are.
00:01:37.000 We're splitting out real conservatives from fake conservatives.
00:01:41.000 That's exactly what we have to do.
00:01:42.000 But don't we have to go against the liberals and really have a united front against them?
00:01:47.000 Yes.
00:01:48.000 But the liberals are in our own party.
00:01:49.000 And before we can present the united front, we have to have a conservative party of our own.
00:01:53.000 But Charlie Kirk, I find very few differences between him and the left.
00:01:56.000 I mean, there are some differences, and largely they're superficial.
00:01:59.000 You know, Charlie Kirk is in favor of mass immigration.
00:02:02.000 He said so. 0.55
00:02:02.000 He said we should staple. 0.55
00:02:03.000 Green cards to diplomas.
00:02:04.000 As far as I'm concerned, that's a very liberal position.
00:02:07.000 Yeah, I guess you got here just at the right time.
00:02:09.000 The promotion and promulgation of gay marriage.
00:02:11.000 It's a very liberal position.
00:02:12.000 That's more liberal than Barack Obama in 2008, right?
00:02:15.000 Charlie Kirk is in favor of unfettered capitalism, unfavored hyper capitalism.
00:02:20.000 That is a liberal position.
00:02:22.000 That is, I mean, I know liberals in this day and age are socialists, but that is a neoliberal position.
00:02:26.000 If you look up the definition of neoliberalism, that is a definition of neoliberalism.
00:02:31.000 So to me, we need a real conservative movement that is for Christianity, for families, for America first.
00:02:37.000 No, he's in favor of anti BDS laws.
00:02:39.000 Okay, okay, so define conservatism.
00:02:42.000 Conservatism to me.
00:02:43.000 What does it mean to be conservative?
00:02:44.000 It means to be in favor of order, plain and simple.
00:02:47.000 Okay.
00:02:47.000 Conservatism means order.
00:02:49.000 It means order, order through tradition, order through the family, through hierarchy.
00:02:53.000 Charlie Kirk is in favor of disorder.
00:02:55.000 Hyper free market capitalism is the most.
00:02:58.000 How is that disorderly?
00:02:59.000 I'll tell you what defines it.
00:03:01.000 We allow people to make their own decisions about when they buy and where they buy it.
00:03:05.000 I'm in favor of that.
00:03:07.000 Corporate free market conservatism.
00:03:10.000 I'm talking about the kind of conservatism unleashed by Ronald Reagan.
00:03:14.000 Rapid deregulation, bailouts of the banks, corporate welfare, that kind of thing.
00:03:19.000 I know you would say maybe, well, that's not hyper, that's not real free market or something like that, right?
00:03:24.000 But ultimately, this is the consequence because when you get people, when you get billionaires and huge companies, Silicon Valley, what is the first thing you do?
00:03:32.000 Hire lobbyists.
00:03:32.000 What are the lobbyists?
00:03:33.000 They go to the government and they influence the bureaucrats, they implement policies.
00:03:37.000 It's unavoidable.
00:03:38.000 So the solution then is to shrink the cyber government so that companies.
00:03:42.000 Companies won't be incentivized to send lobbyists to try to write rules in their favor.
00:03:46.000 I mean, that's an interesting theory, and I heard that from like Milton Friedman.
00:03:49.000 Milton Friedman says, well, if government is really small, and Grover Norquist says the same thing if government's really small, then companies don't want to buy it.
00:03:57.000 But that's never, ever happened.
00:03:59.000 We have the biggest government in the history of the world.
00:04:01.000 Because it keeps growing.
00:04:02.000 But it's not going to get smaller anytime soon.
00:04:04.000 Because even Charlie Kirk.
00:04:09.000 Very courageous echo.
00:04:10.000 Hit and run!
00:04:12.000 Hit and run!
00:04:14.000 So are you saying that it's not possible for us to ever see the size of government?
00:04:19.000 That it will always grow?
00:04:20.000 I think to expect that the interests will ever stop using government is a fantasy.
00:04:27.000 Because even Charlie Kirk.
00:04:28.000 Who just gave Charlie Kirk a $5 million donation yet?
00:04:32.000 Foster Fried's, and he was serving as the chair of some kind of Koch brothers funded thing.
00:04:37.000 Koch brothers are the richest, they're the biggest givers on an individual basis of politics in a given year.
00:04:43.000 That's good.
00:04:43.000 So, Charlie Kirk.
00:04:44.000 That's a good thing.
00:04:45.000 But these are the varying kinds of capitalists.
00:04:47.000 The Koch brothers are liberals.
00:04:49.000 The Koch brothers said they would fund primary opponents against real conservatives.
00:04:53.000 They're in favor of shutting down the border, they're in favor of tariffs.
00:04:56.000 Koch brothers said they would fund the opponents of those people because they're in favor of open borders and they're in favor of free trade that has pillaged and looted the country.
00:05:04.000 And those are the people giving money to Charlie Kirk. 0.79
00:05:06.000 And all this is to say, wait, wait, okay, okay.
00:05:08.000 To finish the point, to arrive at the point, all this is to say somebody like Charlie Kirk gets on stage and he says, well, in order to stop the corruption, we need to stop corporatism.
00:05:16.000 Corporatism isn't real capitalism.
00:05:18.000 We need to shrink the size of government so that people won't influence it.
00:05:23.000 Charlie Kirk is saying that, well, he's funded by liberal venture capitalists.
00:05:27.000 He's saying that, well, funded by the Koch brothers.
00:05:29.000 They're in favor of pillaging the country with free trade, pillaging the country with open borders.
00:05:34.000 So he's going up there and saying a solution that will never happen and never.
00:05:37.000 Work because he serves the people that they're the problem.
00:05:40.000 Okay, okay, so I think that fallacy there, though, is by saying that if I take money from people who may have different ideas that I might have, right, that those different ideas would have been very easy.
00:05:56.000 Let's move to the very, very easy.
00:05:59.000 So, just because I take money that comes from different sources.
00:06:06.000 Who have different ideas than me, that won't then influence my ideas and cause my ideas and values to change.
00:06:14.000 They might see in Jordan Kirk that he proposed capitalism, while these other people are promoting socialism.
00:06:24.000 They might be rather from capitalism than socialism.
00:06:28.000 I mean, that's in theory, but in practice, Foster Freak gets $5 million more.
00:06:39.000 So how far do they have to go?
00:06:40.000 He gets millions of dollars.
00:06:42.000 You could argue with them, be like, You can't tell us to get off the sidewalk.
00:06:46.000 No, I'm just here to meet you.
00:06:47.000 Oh, Jake, Jack, Basovic.
00:06:50.000 It's keeping us safe.
00:06:51.000 I mean, so, I mean, come on.
00:06:54.000 Isn't the enemy of my enemy my friend?
00:07:00.000 Not always.
00:07:01.000 Because, I mean, when we look at these people, I think they're all kind of working together.
00:07:06.000 Democrats and Republicans.
00:07:08.000 How are they all working together?
00:07:10.000 They don't trade emails with each other today.
00:07:16.000 Well, they might in some cases, but, I mean, let's take a look at immigration, for example.
00:07:27.000 You know, why does the left want immigration? 1.00
00:07:33.000 We know it's because of the bookmarkers. 1.00
00:07:38.000 They bring in millions of immigrants from Texas, Arizona, Georgia, Florida. 1.00
00:07:46.000 It's turning all these states blue.
00:07:48.000 Democrats will never lose an election.
00:07:52.000 That's what happened in California.
00:07:55.000 Exactly.
00:07:56.000 And Republicans promote mass immigration.
00:07:58.000 But why do they promote mass immigration?
00:08:00.000 Because the donors get cheap labor from mass immigration.
00:08:03.000 How do Republicans promote mass immigration?
00:08:06.000 Well, like Charlie Kirk, for example, he's a Republican.
00:08:10.000 He's a Republican.
00:08:10.000 He's a Republican.
00:08:11.000 Now, Charlie Kirk supports legal immigration.
00:08:14.000 Yes.
00:08:14.000 Sure.
00:08:15.000 But that's different than just unfeathered illegal immigration from across the border and having an income increase.
00:08:22.000 On some level, one is orderly and the other one isn't.
00:08:25.000 I wouldn't say that's true.
00:08:26.000 I would say that on some level, there are some superficial differences.
00:08:29.000 But ultimately, let's look at voting, for example.
00:08:32.000 Legal immigrants.
00:08:33.000 If you look at Hispanics, this is from Pew Research, one in ten legal Hispanic immigrants identifies Republican.
00:08:40.000 One in ten.
00:08:40.000 Okay?
00:08:41.000 That's virtually the same as illegal immigrants. 0.93
00:08:43.000 So it has the same effect. 0.90
00:08:45.000 Moreover, legal immigrants are still taking American jobs. 0.99
00:08:48.000 You know, there's a finite number of jobs at any given time. 1.00
00:08:50.000 When they come in and take them, I mean, that's a job that an American comes in and talks about.
00:08:55.000 And moreover, you know, the people that are given one Joe Biden, I think Elizabeth Warren, all kinds of Democratic politicians have used the exact same. 0.93
00:09:10.000 Meaning that we want immigration from people who aren't going to be a burden on our society, right?
00:09:16.000 People who are going to actually work and have educated, you know, outcomes. 0.97
00:09:20.000 Well, maybe they're going to work, but the point is you asked how Republicans and Democrats are together.
00:09:25.000 Well, Joe Biden and Charlie Kirk have literally, I mean, the verbatim same talking point, stapling green cards and diplomas.
00:09:30.000 Okay, okay, okay.
00:09:31.000 Legal immigrants are voting Democrats.
00:09:33.000 So, so, so, so, why do people seem to have a problem with you then?
00:09:37.000 What's the biggest what's the biggest thing?
00:09:39.000 Well, here's the problem.
00:09:40.000 Is that you're attacking, I guess, conservatives on their stances?
00:09:46.000 Their problem is that their ideology is indefensible.
00:09:50.000 It's because if they had a conversation with me, like you're having right now, people would get exposed to these ideas, and they wouldn't come to these things. 0.65
00:09:57.000 They wouldn't come to hear Charlie Kirk say, boom, homosexual marriage is passed in Botswana. 0.96
00:10:02.000 That's a great thing. 0.99
00:10:03.000 They wouldn't come here to say, yeah, on Twitter.
00:10:05.000 They wouldn't come here to see him say, we need a staple of Green card to every diploma, they wouldn't come here.
00:10:10.000 So that's why they need to say he's a white supremacist.
00:10:13.000 Because when they say that, it means don't listen to him. 0.91
00:10:15.000 Don't talk to him.
00:10:16.000 Don't take a picture with him.
00:10:17.000 Don't shake his hand.
00:10:18.000 Because he's a bad man.
00:10:20.000 But if people, but I mean, you see, do I seem like a racist to you?
00:10:22.000 No, you don't seem like a racist to me.
00:10:24.000 Okay.
00:10:25.000 I mean, I love all people.
00:10:26.000 I'm a Christian.
00:10:27.000 I love all people.
00:10:28.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:10:28.000 I love all people.
00:10:29.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:10:29.000 It's the most watered down term in America anyway.
00:10:29.000 What's that?
00:10:32.000 Exactly.
00:10:32.000 It means nothing, you know?
00:10:34.000 Okay, okay, okay. 0.98
00:10:35.000 What about the Jews? 0.75
00:10:36.000 What about Jewish people?
00:10:37.000 I heard you make some sort of jokes about Jewish people.
00:10:41.000 What joke did I make about Jewish people?
00:10:43.000 You said Ben Shapiro owns this sidewalk.
00:10:46.000 It's some language, right?
00:10:46.000 Right.
00:10:48.000 That kind of language, though, I mean, do you think that's appropriate?
00:10:53.000 I mean, I guess appropriate is sort of a subjective term.
00:10:56.000 You know, a lot of what I do is a little tongue in cheek, it's hyperbolic, it's meant to be funny.
00:10:56.000 Okay.
00:11:01.000 If I was in a formal debate with Ben Shapiro, I would not make a joke like that.
00:11:04.000 Okay.
00:11:05.000 I don't think that's a good thing.
00:11:11.000 I don't think that's a good thing. 0.99
00:11:13.000 You know, there is something about Ben Shapiro that Ben Shapiro, I mean, we all know he's Jewish.
00:11:18.000 I mean, has he ever failed to remind everybody that he's Jewish?
00:11:20.000 And he also happens to support Israel.
00:11:23.000 And he also happens to call Israel Israel.
00:11:25.000 Israel is our greatest ally, though, in the Middle East.
00:11:27.000 Israel is our greatest ally. 0.98
00:11:29.000 No, in the Middle East.
00:11:30.000 I wouldn't even go that far. 0.94
00:11:31.000 Right? 0.97
00:11:32.000 I mean, I would rather have a nation like Israel than any of the other ones around it, like Turkey. 0.99
00:11:37.000 Why would you say, I don't know?
00:11:40.000 Why would you say that?
00:11:41.000 That's a good question.
00:11:43.000 This is like, This conversation, Benjamin Theron is not watching here.
00:11:46.000 But Israel, have you ever heard of USS Liberty, for example?
00:11:51.000 I've heard of it a little, but not really, no.
00:11:54.000 That's not the biggest thing.
00:11:55.000 The point is this.
00:11:56.000 But this is to me sort of the entry argument.
00:12:00.000 You probably oppose foreign aid, right?
00:12:04.000 Not necessarily.
00:12:05.000 I think foreign aid is a tool to advance America's interests.
00:12:08.000 Okay, I agree with that.
00:12:09.000 They've been the number one recipient of foreign aid since 1978.
00:12:12.000 Israel is a rich country, right?
00:12:15.000 I mean, they're not born by it.
00:12:17.000 To give you a little context, $3.8 billion a year is more than we give to all the countries in Africa, all the countries in the Caribbean, all the countries in Latin America, I'm sorry, the Caribbean combined.
00:12:27.000 Yeah.
00:12:28.000 Well, I mean, but they don't have people with rocket launchers shooting missiles into their country.
00:12:32.000 I think they've all got problems.
00:12:33.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:12:34.000 And moreover, Israel, I mean, they've got one of the most sophisticated militaries in the world.
00:12:38.000 Their missile defenses are.
00:12:39.000 Thanks to the United States.
00:12:40.000 Yes.
00:12:41.000 Thanks to us.
00:12:41.000 Exactly.
00:12:42.000 So they take all this money, $3.8 billion per year.
00:12:42.000 Yeah.
00:12:45.000 And how do they repay us for that money?
00:12:48.000 Well, according to various sources, they conduct the second most aggressive spying operation on U.S. soil out of every country in the world.
00:12:56.000 Some say it's the second most, some say it's the third most, but everybody agrees, and this is the CIA, this is various.
00:13:02.000 Publications, they say that they've conducted one of the most aggressive spying operations in U.S. soil, in some cases more than China, in some cases more than our adversaries.
00:13:10.000 I mean, we give them a lot of money every year, and there's also, I mean, there's a lot of conditions where it's much better than other countries.
00:13:10.000 How is that?
00:13:17.000 For example, for a long time, we let them spend, I think, a quarter of that aid on their own defense budget, or rather on their own defense contractors, instead of for every other country, they have to buy, they have to spend all their money in America.
00:13:30.000 In Israel, they get it on the first of the year, as opposed to in payments throughout the year.
00:13:34.000 We have to pay millions of dollars to get all the cash together for the first month and give it to them at once.
00:13:39.000 They then take that money, they spend some of it on T notes, and they earn interest off that money over the year because they get it on the first.
00:13:46.000 In addition to that, and this is amazing to me, in addition even to that, we give the money to them as a loan and we forgive the loan.
00:13:54.000 Why do we do that?
00:13:55.000 Because if we gave it to them as a grant, we would have to supervise how the money is spent.
00:14:01.000 But if we give it as a loan, we don't have to supervise.
00:14:03.000 So you're saying there's some corruption there?
00:14:05.000 So, I mean, it's like the most.
00:14:07.000 The excess of that foreign aid is incredible.
00:14:10.000 And they're a rich country and they can defend themselves.
00:14:12.000 And you have to ask yourself why that is.
00:14:14.000 Maybe it's because AIPAC, American Israeli Political Action Committee, or whatever it is, AIPAC, they have two thirds of congressmen attend their annual conference every year presidents, vice presidents.
00:14:24.000 Maybe it's because Sheldon Eagle.
00:14:26.000 So, okay, so we have a very close ally with Israel, right?
00:14:30.000 And Israel's helping us with all of the terrorism and all that kind of stuff.
00:14:33.000 Are they helping us with that?
00:14:34.000 Because the Israeli defense minister and the Israeli intelligence.
00:14:38.000 Chief both said that they would rather have Iran on their doorstep than ISIS.
00:14:42.000 ISIS actually attacked Israel one time and then apologized for them and said, We're so sorry for attacking you.
00:14:48.000 Now, it really makes you think because you also look at Israel.
00:14:51.000 What is Israel in favor of in Syria?
00:14:53.000 They do not want Assad to control Syria.
00:14:55.000 Why is that?
00:14:56.000 Because if Syria becomes a solid, stable country, which is in our interest, by the way, Assad tortured our terrorists.
00:15:02.000 Assad held this country together. 0.80
00:15:04.000 When it exploded, we got ISIS, we got radical Islam. 0.50
00:15:06.000 Israel wants it destabilized because if Syria is destabilized, Then that means that Hezbollah and Palestinian Islamic Jihad and Hamas grow weaker. 0.83
00:15:16.000 That's not in our interest. 0.88
00:15:17.000 That's in Israel's interest.
00:15:18.000 That's not in our interest if radical jihadists become more destabilized?
00:15:24.000 Well, how's that in our interest?
00:15:27.000 Here's one.
00:15:28.000 Because in the 1980s, Oded Yanan was one of the prime ministers of Israel.
00:15:32.000 He wrote this document called the 1980s Grand Strategy for Israel.
00:15:36.000 And what it said is they want to take the Middle East and turn it into a mosaic of different countries, tribes of flags.
00:15:41.000 We had all these strong nation states.
00:15:44.000 Egypt, Libya, Iraq, Iran, Syria.
00:15:47.000 They said we want to take all these countries and destroy them.
00:15:49.000 We want to turn Iraq into a Kurdish country, a Shia country, and a Sunni country. 0.78
00:15:54.000 Want to take Syria and turn into an Alawite, you know, Kurdish, Shia country. 0.94
00:15:58.000 And the reason for that is because if all these countries are weak and they're all in different tribes, well, then that means that Israel is safer. 0.89
00:16:04.000 Now, that's in their national interest.
00:16:06.000 Obviously, they want to be safer. 0.98
00:16:07.000 But to have a destabilized Middle East, what has been the consequence of this? 0.86
00:16:11.000 Destroying Iraq, what was the consequence? 0.98
00:16:13.000 Iran grows powerful. 0.98
00:16:15.000 What grows in Iraq? 0.97
00:16:16.000 ISIS. 0.89
00:16:17.000 To have Syria destabilized, what grows there?
00:16:19.000 ISIS, the Peshmerga, all this conflict now with Turkey.
00:16:22.000 To destroy Libya, Libya still doesn't have a stable government.
00:16:25.000 You know, that's. 0.80
00:16:26.000 That's like the next terrorist training ground, if that's the argument, right?
00:16:29.000 We've destabilized the Middle East, and Donald Trump said this in the election.
00:16:31.000 We've destabilized the Middle East, and it's hurt our country.
00:16:33.000 Now, there's a clear case where destabilizing the Middle East helps Israel, stabilizing the Middle East helps America. 0.73
00:16:40.000 What does Israel do by doing these rocket strikes in Assyria? 0.89
00:16:43.000 Because they do that. 0.55
00:16:44.000 Missile strikes almost weekly into Iraq, even.
00:16:47.000 America's told them not to do it. 0.99
00:16:48.000 It destabilizes.
00:16:49.000 That's diametrically opposed.
00:16:50.000 Brett Stevens, who's an editorialist in the New York Times, he wrote a couple of weeks ago, Israel cannot be safe in the world of America first.
00:16:59.000 That is verbatim what he said. 0.92
00:17:01.000 Brett Stevens, he's right for the Jerusalem Post.
00:17:01.000 He said that.
00:17:03.000 He's a Jewish Zionist.
00:17:05.000 He said, Israel cannot be safe in the world of America first. 0.82
00:17:08.000 I'm in favor of America first, right?
00:17:10.000 I mean, obviously, I'm a nationalist.
00:17:12.000 So if he says Israel cannot be safe in the world of America first, well, what are you going to pick?
00:17:16.000 In some sense, he's saying that according to the very expansive and broad and ridiculous watered-down definition of anti-Semitism, he says that America first is intrinsically anti-Semitic.
00:17:26.000 So, people call me anti Semitic.
00:17:28.000 It's like, well, I'm America first.
00:17:29.000 I don't hate Jews, but I'm in favor of America first. 0.87
00:17:31.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:17:32.000 But he says if that makes Israel less safe, well, that makes it anti Semitic.
00:17:36.000 That's crazy.
00:17:37.000 Yeah, okay, so you don't hate Jews, right? 0.97
00:17:41.000 If you see a Jewish person walking down the street, you're not going to be Jewish like you hate me. 0.63
00:17:41.000 No. 0.63
00:17:45.000 I don't hate you, no.
00:17:46.000 I have great friends who are Jews.
00:17:48.000 So, why are these rumors about you and all that?
00:17:51.000 Where did it come from?
00:17:52.000 Did he place Grand Theft Auto?
00:17:54.000 I told you it's because of these views.
00:17:56.000 The legal definition of anti Semitic.
00:17:58.000 Is not hating Jews.
00:17:59.000 Okay.
00:18:00.000 I mean, we all think that.
00:18:01.000 You know, if I say I'm not anti Semitic, what does that mean?
00:18:03.000 I don't hate Jews, which I don't.
00:18:04.000 Yeah.
00:18:04.000 But that's not the legal definition.
00:18:06.000 Okay.
00:18:06.000 The legal definition of anti Semitism is, for example, if you say that some Jewish people have allegiance to Israel.
00:18:11.000 Yeah. 0.94
00:18:12.000 Well, do Jewish people have an allegiance to Israel? 0.94
00:18:14.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:18:15.000 That's a legal definition of anti Semitism. 0.75
00:18:15.000 Yeah. 0.75
00:18:15.000 Yeah, okay. 0.75
00:18:18.000 If you say.
00:18:19.000 Well, re repeat that to me. 0.53
00:18:21.000 If you say that Jewish people have an alliance with Israel, an allegiance, any kind of allegiance to Israel, then that is anti Semitism? 0.57
00:18:29.000 Mm hmm. 0.61
00:18:30.000 Well, what does it mean to be?
00:18:31.000 I guess I don't know what it means to be anthropist.
00:18:33.000 Well, that's just it.
00:18:34.000 It means whatever they want it to be.
00:18:36.000 And then that's what Ben Shapiro said.
00:18:38.000 I tweeted it, and it's very funny.
00:18:39.000 If you go back into the record, I think in 2017, I actually used to be close with a lot of people that worked for Ben Shapiro Cassie Dillon, Elliot Hamilton, Aaron Bandler.
00:18:48.000 I used to be friends with all those guys.
00:18:49.000 They didn't want to talk to me, they blacklisted me because I started asking too many questions about Israel.
00:18:53.000 I said, Why did they get all this money?
00:18:55.000 Why?
00:18:55.000 Can you explain the Le Bonifier?
00:18:56.000 Can you explain all this?
00:18:58.000 And so I tweeted about Ben Shapiro.
00:19:00.000 I said, You know, I want to put America first. 0.98
00:19:03.000 I think I don't, you know, if you come here and you put China first, you're Chinese. 0.98
00:19:06.000 I said, if you come here and you're Jewish, you put Israel first. 0.81
00:19:08.000 I said, that's not America first. 0.70
00:19:10.000 Exactly.
00:19:10.000 Ben Shapiro quote tweeted me two years ago, directly on Twitter, and he said, accusing any Jew of dual loyalty is the purest form of anti Semitism.
00:19:21.000 That's what he told me.
00:19:22.000 But they do have dual loyalty.
00:19:24.000 Okay?
00:19:24.000 I mean, because Israel is anti Semite.
00:19:28.000 Isn't that insane? 0.99
00:19:30.000 But the history behind that comes from Nazi Germany because they were.
00:19:33.000 Accused of dual loyalty in that sense.
00:19:35.000 That's what Hitler used to justify what he did.
00:19:37.000 He said Jews are more loyal to the cause of Zionism. 0.72
00:19:40.000 But is it true or not?
00:19:42.000 That's where the dual loyalty thing started.
00:19:44.000 But is it true or not?
00:19:45.000 I don't think it's true.
00:19:47.000 Is it true?
00:19:47.000 Well, I mean, is it true that some Jewish people have allegiance to Israel?
00:19:51.000 They definitely do.
00:19:51.000 Is that true or not?
00:19:52.000 I don't know what I'm saying that is.
00:19:52.000 Okay.
00:19:55.000 Well, I know why that is.
00:19:56.000 I think it's very logical for them.
00:19:57.000 But then why is it anti Semitic to say that?
00:20:01.000 I mean, you said that, well, there's this history.
00:20:03.000 It's anti Semitic when you use that in a show.
00:20:05.000 Do you have a pin that says it has an Israeli flag on that? 1.00
00:20:08.000 I just want to make sure.
00:20:09.000 Yes, it's a Christians United for Israel thing.
00:20:11.000 Oh, Christians United for Israel. 0.95
00:20:14.000 This is not run by Christians, by the way.
00:20:16.000 That's not anti Jews to say that Jews have an allegiance to Israel.
00:20:23.000 And put yourself in their shoes.
00:20:24.000 Yeah.
00:20:25.000 Why do you think they would have an allegiance to Israel?
00:20:27.000 They had two thirds of their entire population eradicated.
00:20:30.000 Yeah. 0.97
00:20:31.000 And then Israel was formed two years later.
00:20:33.000 Do you not think that maybe the idea of Zionism started in the early 1900s?
00:20:40.000 Okay.
00:20:40.000 But that's not an anti Israel thing to say.
00:20:43.000 No, it's anti Semitic when you use dual loyalty as a way to actually belittle or dehumanize Jews.
00:20:49.000 Well, I've never seen that.
00:20:50.000 I don't know if you've done that.
00:20:51.000 I'm not saying you have. 0.85
00:20:53.000 But that was very controversial because that's what Hitler used to garner support for his cause. 0.93
00:20:57.000 Well, I understand what you mean. 0.91
00:20:59.000 Okay, yeah, yeah.
00:21:00.000 But that's just it.
00:21:02.000 Of course, context is always what matters.
00:21:05.000 And in the context of what I say, I've never said anything like that to dehumanize anybody. 0.93
00:21:09.000 I've never advocated for anything like that, Nazi like. 0.70
00:21:13.000 I simply said, as Americans, we must put America first. 0.92
00:21:17.000 I'm an American.
00:21:18.000 That's what the president says.
00:21:19.000 I want to put America first.
00:21:21.000 And Ben Shapiro says that's anti Semitic to say.
00:21:23.000 Because if you say that everybody else should feel the same way, you're accusing them of dual loyalty, whatever else.
00:21:27.000 That's where that comes from, I'm sure. 0.84
00:21:29.000 You know what's anti Semitic is denying the atrocities of the Holocaust.
00:21:33.000 Which I've never done. 0.85
00:21:34.000 Oh, you never said that six million Jews didn't die in the Holocaust? 0.87
00:21:37.000 Never said that.
00:21:38.000 That the cookies, we weren't able to cook six million cookies in the ovens?
00:21:41.000 That was a joke that I made on my show.
00:21:42.000 I made that very clear.
00:21:43.000 Did you ever see that clip on the show?
00:21:45.000 I saw the whole 11th clip.
00:21:45.000 Yes.
00:21:47.000 The whole clip where after that I said, that's ironic, that's a joke?
00:21:51.000 Well, that's a joke.
00:21:52.000 I literally said that in the clip. 1.00
00:21:53.000 Well, Jews, like my grandparents, don't find that funny, but use those jokes. 1.00
00:21:57.000 Okay. 1.00
00:21:58.000 Are you a snowflake then?
00:21:59.000 No, Madison. 0.82
00:21:59.000 It was very clearly, maybe it was a If your grandparents went through the same atrocities as the Jewish people, you would be laughing. 0.82
00:22:07.000 I have pretty thick skin. 0.84
00:22:08.000 So, in the context of my show, well, here, you come out here from the crowd and you say, well, you know, it is anti Semitic denying this. 0.95
00:22:15.000 And I said, well, you never deny it. 0.86
00:22:16.000 You said, well, you made a joke. 0.99
00:22:17.000 Can you go on record right now saying 6 million Jews died at all?
00:22:20.000 I went on record saying that on the Washington Post.
00:22:23.000 I went on record saying that on Elijah Schaefer's show.
00:22:25.000 He was here a moment ago.
00:22:26.000 I've gone on the record many times.
00:22:28.000 As a rapper, I went to a Jewish school. 0.99
00:22:30.000 They made Holocaust cute.
00:22:31.000 Jokes over there, which you disagree with. 1.00
00:22:35.000 That's not right either.
00:22:37.000 Well, they did it too.
00:22:39.000 Does that make them okay?
00:22:40.000 I mean, I'm just saying.
00:22:44.000 We live in a free society.
00:22:47.000 I do believe people have the right to make whatever jokes they should.
00:22:53.000 Okay, good.
00:22:53.000 Okay?
00:22:55.000 And everybody has their own right to opinions.
00:22:57.000 Yeah.
00:22:58.000 And that's what America is, and that's why I love America.
00:23:01.000 Yeah.
00:23:01.000 You know, and you have a platform, and you have to be responsible with your platform, because.
00:23:06.000 Hold on, hold on.
00:23:08.000 Would you call him anti Semite or anti Jew?
00:23:10.000 Would you say that?
00:23:12.000 I don't know for sure.
00:23:13.000 I don't know.
00:23:13.000 To be honest, I don't know a lot about him.
00:23:16.000 I watched a few episodes of his show, and I don't agree with you, and that's okay.
00:23:22.000 That's fine, yeah.
00:23:24.000 That's fine. 0.50
00:23:25.000 But when you make a joke about one of the worst atrocities that happened in Jewish history, and sadly we're seeing it again happen in America on a slow basis. 0.87
00:23:34.000 We're going to see it. 0.82
00:23:36.000 If people. 0.97
00:23:37.000 That's ridiculous. 0.98
00:23:38.000 We have two congressmen already that are very anti Semitic and very anti Israel. 0.98
00:23:42.000 I didn't say he was responsible for that.
00:23:47.000 But I said that if we don't.
00:23:50.000 We're talking about all sides. 0.94
00:23:51.000 That if you don't stand up against anti Semitism and anti Zionism and anti Israelism, then you're helping promulgate what Germans did in Israel. 0.88
00:24:01.000 That is Zionism. 0.84
00:24:02.000 He's preaching about America's worst.
00:24:05.000 That is false.
00:24:06.000 And the attention people have asked me about this joke I made where I said, oh, you know, the cookie monster and all this kind of thing.
00:24:11.000 The reason that I made it, by the way, that joke is not actually about the Holocaust.
00:24:14.000 What the joke is, I mean, the Holocaust is the subject matter in a sense.
00:24:17.000 What the joke is talking about specifically is this number.
00:24:20.000 We all know what I'm talking about.
00:24:21.000 That if you. 0.69
00:24:22.000 If you make a joke about the six million, if you say it's a little bit less or a little bit more, you're evil, you're evil, it's another hot.
00:24:28.000 And that was meant to lampoon this sort of hysterical reaction we see, which is frankly what you're doing right now.
00:24:33.000 I mean, of course, I am against genocide.
00:24:36.000 Of course, we are not in favor of dehumanizing anybody, minorities, Jews, anybody like that.
00:24:41.000 But this kind of hysterical thing, frankly, it sounds like the left.
00:24:44.000 Because, you know, right after we did our thing with Charlie Kirk, you know, who came out and verbatim said Nick Fuentes should be kicked off Twitter, Nick Fuentes should be declassified.
00:24:52.000 From YouTube. 0.71
00:24:53.000 It was the Zionist Organization of America.
00:24:55.000 A lot of people are saying that.
00:24:56.000 Yeah, the Zionist Organization of America wrote a statement.
00:24:58.000 And they said Nick Wentz should be deplatformed from everything.
00:24:58.000 You could look it up.
00:25:01.000 And I have it on good authority that it came from Charlie Bates.
00:25:04.000 Well, I don't believe you should be deplatformed.
00:25:05.000 I'm a journalist and I.
00:25:07.000 Oh, we don't like journalists.
00:25:08.000 Yeah, we don't like journalists.
00:25:09.000 Can you kind of speak a little bit to why you're here?
00:25:11.000 I don't think you're going to the conference.
00:25:14.000 I tried, but they kicked me out.
00:25:16.000 Okay, so what are you doing here?
00:25:17.000 Why are you here?
00:25:18.000 We need to have a conversation.
00:25:19.000 I think this is your own thing.
00:25:21.000 First of all.
00:25:21.000 Look, give me an answer.
00:25:23.000 Why are you here?
00:25:25.000 So, you know, we are here.
00:25:26.000 We're having our own stuff.
00:25:27.000 Summit actually at 9 o'clock tonight.
00:25:29.000 We're going to be streaming on dlive.tv slash nickjfuentes.
00:25:32.000 It's me, it's Patrick Casey, it's Jake Wade.
00:25:34.000 We're going to be giving speeches.
00:25:35.000 And we came here because.
00:25:36.000 And where are you going to do that from?
00:25:38.000 Well, I can't say because journalists might try to show up.
00:25:41.000 You seem very nice.
00:25:44.000 But there's a lot of people that don't like us.
00:25:46.000 But we came here ultimately to force this conversation to happen.
00:25:49.000 Obviously, within the conservative movement, they don't want to have the conversation.
00:25:53.000 They want to call me names.
00:25:54.000 They want to kick me out of their thing or whatever.
00:25:58.000 But obviously, we're here having a good conversation.
00:26:00.000 And I'm going to go give my speech.
00:26:01.000 I'm going to give my Side of the story at my own event tonight because we can't get in there.
00:26:05.000 I don't believe anyone should be deplatformed.
00:26:06.000 We live in a free country and we shouldn't let Twitter or Instagram or Facebook control what we see or what we look at.
00:26:13.000 I agree with you, but you still have to be careful of what you say.
00:26:17.000 I'll be careful.
00:26:18.000 I try to be suspensive.
00:26:20.000 How do you feel if somebody makes a racist joke around you?
00:26:23.000 Does it bother you at all?
00:26:25.000 It bothered me a little bit, yeah.
00:26:27.000 I mean, can you see how a Jew might be offended? 1.00
00:26:29.000 Yeah, I can see that. 1.00
00:26:30.000 But to me, that just sounds like the laugh.
00:26:33.000 I mean, people might get offended, but I mean, I'm not afraid to be offended.
00:26:39.000 I'm not afraid to be offended.
00:26:46.000 I have to stay tuned for that.
00:26:48.000 I can't give too much information.
00:26:51.000 For the past 2,000 years, the live stream tonight is dlive.tv slash Nick K. Fuentes will be streaming.
00:26:59.000 I'll be giving a speech.
00:27:00.000 Patrick, Jake will be giving, I think Jake is.
00:27:03.000 Jake will be talking as well.
00:27:05.000 And it's a kind of Response to the event, this event?
00:27:07.000 Yes, yes, and sort of the events of the past couple of months to kind of tie it up very nicely before the end of the decade.
00:27:13.000 So, what a lot of people don't know is that for the past 2,000 years, Jews have been targeted when it comes to the.
00:27:18.000 Nobody knows that.
00:27:20.000 It's not on the table.
00:27:21.000 I've never heard of it.
00:27:23.000 Did you know that?
00:27:24.000 I mean, but you've got to be.
00:27:27.000 I'm a Middle Eastern Jew.
00:27:27.000 Hold on.
00:27:28.000 Does anyone know that over a million Middle Eastern Jews were kicked out of their countries during the later half of the 20th century?
00:27:34.000 Does anyone know that?
00:27:36.000 Please just give a raise of hand.
00:27:37.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:27:38.000 Why is that important?
00:27:41.000 Why should you care?
00:27:43.000 Why should you care?
00:27:46.000 Because that sadly, my grandparents felt comfortable in other countries.
00:27:51.000 And it could happen again in America.
00:27:54.000 Why should I, as a black African American, care?
00:27:58.000 Because regardless, we're human brothers.
00:28:00.000 It doesn't matter what we're human brothers.
00:28:02.000 We're human brothers.
00:28:03.000 Yes, we are human brothers.
00:28:05.000 But there's all kinds of stuff that's happened around the world.
00:28:08.000 America has made mistakes, but that doesn't mean that America itself is a mistake.
00:28:11.000 Right?
00:28:12.000 No, I didn't say that.
00:28:13.000 Okay, so why bring it up?
00:28:14.000 I'm saying that we don't have a state of Israel.
00:28:16.000 If we don't have a Jewish state, that Jews all around the world will be targets of anti Semitism and attacks all across the world.
00:28:24.000 That's not American's priority.
00:28:26.000 Israel can defend itself.
00:28:27.000 Israel can fund itself. 0.70
00:28:28.000 Israel can provide for its own defense.
00:28:31.000 It's just not necessary for America to also supplement that. 0.73
00:28:35.000 It's just about severing that alliance.
00:28:37.000 You're free to exist.
00:28:38.000 No one is denying your right to exist, to govern yourself, to prosper in Israel, your own land.
00:28:44.000 It's about severing the ties with America.
00:28:46.000 So you're saying, this is not going to be clear on Turkey.
00:28:49.000 You believe that Israel and the United States should end the alliance with the state of Israel?
00:28:55.000 I mean, for example, cutting foreign aid.
00:28:58.000 I'm sure you already heard a lot about Nick, about how foreign aid is misused, how a lot of the numbers are adjusted.
00:29:04.000 So you want to end the alliance?
00:29:06.000 Are you a fan of the founding fathers?
00:29:09.000 Do you know that George Washington was against any kind of political alliance?
00:29:14.000 Well, his philosophy was that the only kind of ties we should have with other countries is economic.
00:29:20.000 Any other tie should be avoided.
00:29:20.000 That's it.
00:29:22.000 Are you not a fan of the founding?
00:29:24.000 Hold on.
00:29:24.000 Do you know that the cell phone you were using, the technology of your cell phone was invented in Israel?
00:29:29.000 That doesn't mean anything.
00:29:29.000 Okay.
00:29:30.000 There's a bunch of various parts.
00:29:32.000 That's an economic part.
00:29:34.000 Hold on.
00:29:34.000 Hold on.
00:29:35.000 H But we will be back tomorrow.
00:29:37.000 I'll post information on my Twitter.
00:29:41.000 I might do like a meetup, maybe right in front of SAS.
00:29:47.000 We could talk or everything.
00:29:51.000 Oh, sorry.
00:29:52.000 Yeah.
00:29:52.000 Nice to meet you.
00:29:55.000 But it's 9 o'clock tonight, and we're going to be on D Live, so you can find it on my Twitter.
00:30:06.000 I appreciate the genuine conversation.
00:30:09.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:30:11.000 It was good talking to you.
00:30:12.000 Shabbat shalom, brother.
00:30:14.000 Shabbat shalom.
00:30:16.000 We'll take a conversation.
00:30:20.000 Right, right.
00:30:21.000 Hey.
00:30:23.000 Yeah, man.