America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - The Bronze Age Mindset feat. Mike Ma | America First Ep. 209

00:00:05.000 Good evening, everybody.

00:00:06.000 You are watching America First.

00:00:08.000 My name is Nicholas J. Fuentes.

00:00:09.000 We have a great show for you tonight.

00:00:12.000 We have a very special guest joining us this evening. 0.95

00:00:15.000 His name is Michael Ma, and we'll be talking with him, and he will also be delivering a very special message from the Bronze Age Pervert. 0.92

00:00:24.000 So I'm going to unmute you here for a moment and pull it up on screen. 0.91

00:00:28.000 I think this should work.

00:00:29.000 Skype is a little difficult, but how are you doing, Mr. Mike?

00:00:33.000 I'm great.

00:00:35.000 Like you said, I'm coming off.

00:00:37.000 Supposedly coming off a ban.

00:00:41.000 It's unknown whether that account is really me or not.

00:00:44.000 Who knows?

00:00:47.000 And I'm out here in the forest in the middle of nowhere just living the Uncle Ted life.

00:00:54.000 As many of you know.

00:00:55.000 What is that accent, by the way?

00:00:57.000 Am I detecting a slight accent there?

00:01:00.000 I don't think I have an accent.

00:01:01.000 Maybe to you.

00:01:02.000 I'm not sure.

00:01:03.000 Perhaps.

00:01:04.000 What does it sound like?

00:01:06.000 I can't really tell.

00:01:07.000 I can't really parse it.

00:01:08.000 Where are you from, by the way?

00:01:09.000 Can you say?

00:01:11.000 Yeah, no, I'm from New Jersey originally, and I don't think I don't have that New Jersey accent.

00:01:17.000 I know that.

00:01:18.000 But, and then I moved down here to North Carolina at 18 after high school.

00:01:25.000 I maybe picked up some Hick accent mixed with like a standard American dialect.

00:01:31.000 I don't know.

00:01:32.000 Could be.

00:01:34.000 Well, it's great to have you.

00:01:35.000 I know you've been.

00:01:36.000 Hang on just a second.

00:01:37.000 What is going on with my camera?

00:01:39.000 I'm like clipping the top of the screen here.

00:01:41.000 I don't know if that's.

00:01:42.000 I don't know what that's all about.

00:01:44.000 Whatever.

00:01:46.000 Oh, it's just because I was scrolled a little bit down on YouTube.

00:01:51.000 Very professional production here.

00:01:53.000 It's all good.

00:01:54.000 But no, so it's great to have you in.

00:01:56.000 And so I just want to get it out of the way here, and then we could get into some things that are going on with you.

00:02:01.000 But originally, the reason I wanted to have you on, I think I invited you at one point or something, or people had mentioned you coming on the show, and you said, I don't really do live streams or something like that. 1.00

00:02:12.000 But then I reached out to the Bronze Age Pervert. 0.99

00:02:14.000 Because his new book came out, and I have it here with me, just as proof that I'm not, you know, I did read it. 1.00

00:02:20.000 His new book came out, The Bronze Age Mindset, and I invited him on.

00:02:24.000 I said, You want to talk about the book?

00:02:25.000 People would love to hear from you.

00:02:27.000 He said, Well, I can't really do that because if I use my voice, it would compromise my anonymity.

00:02:33.000 So he said, Well, what if, and a couple months later, he said, Well, what if I sent a messenger in my place?

00:02:38.000 And then he found you.

00:02:39.000 And so here you are, and so we're going to talk to you.

00:02:42.000 You're going to try and channel this communique. 0.55

00:02:45.000 This transmission from the Bronze Age pervert about the book, right? 0.55

00:02:49.000 Yeah, I've got a scroll here in front of me, hand delivered by the United States Postal Service, carved into stone, his word from himself, and I will do my best to relay it as he would like it done. 0.99

00:03:08.000 We'll see how it goes.

00:03:09.000 All right, very good.

00:03:10.000 Well, so we'll start with a very simple question, which is what is the Bronze Age mindset?

00:03:16.000 I know because I read the book.

00:03:18.000 And I was a little uncomfortable asking him, but I was a little uncomfortable sending this question because it's like, you know.

00:03:25.000 But I did read the book, but just give us a little synopsis of what is the namesake of the book?

00:03:31.000 What does it mean?

00:03:31.000 What is the Bronze Age mindset?

00:03:35.000 Okay, so I'm now channeling BAP, no longer Mike Mott for the moment.

00:03:41.000 What is the Bronze Age mindset?

00:03:43.000 I answer this question several times in the book, and especially in the section about pirates and conquistadors.

00:03:49.000 Who I believe embody this ancient spirit in our own time.

00:03:53.000 It's exhibited in the Heraclitus quote I put there The best seek one thing above all, ever flowing fame among mortals, but the many glut themselves like livestock.

00:04:06.000 It's the spirit of Achilles, Odysseus, Diomedes, Ajax, the heroes of the Iliad and the Odyssey.

00:04:15.000 I think it's the distinctly Western spirit that animated men like Alexander and Caesar, who inspired each other through great feats across time.

00:04:26.000 It's the spirit that the Indo Europeans brought to Europe during the Bronze Age and after.

00:04:32.000 And it never really left.

00:04:34.000 It's not an ideology or a set of moral principles or a religion.

00:04:38.000 I don't want to spell it out because I think it becomes vivid through example, and I gave some of these in the book.

00:04:43.000 But it's a spirit that is in danger of being snuffed out in our time.

00:04:48.000 It can't be revived simply through restatement of theories.

00:04:52.000 I think Trump embodies some of this mindset.

00:04:55.000 It's wild and untamed and showy, and it gleams.

00:05:00.000 You can see it in the graves at the Mycenae?

00:05:04.000 I don't know.

00:05:06.000 Mycenae?

00:05:07.000 Yeah. 0.82

00:05:08.000 You can see it in the graves at Mycenae how they were, quote, N-word rich.

00:05:14.000 This is bass words.

00:05:16.000 Thank you for censoring.

00:05:19.000 It's this very gaudy gold hoard they kept there.

00:05:22.000 You see it in Homer all of the language about gleaming and shining light.

00:05:28.000 Trump has this fire in him and reminded people of this life force.

00:05:33.000 I didn't want to praise him too much in the book, but I think he definitely awakens in people, again, this sense of possibility.

00:05:42.000 Very good.

00:05:43.000 Well, it's true. 1.00

00:05:45.000 I think the Bronze Age pervert is correct. 0.99

00:05:49.000 I think people have called this different things, and I think it's had different expressions in the current year, but this sort of hearkening back to more primitive, more primordial impulses. 0.95

00:06:01.000 And kind of the more bestial mentality of man, which is lost in the modern world.

00:06:08.000 And I know you're definitely into that.

00:06:09.000 I know you're an Ann Prim now, you're a pine tree person.

00:06:13.000 Yeah, this is my area of expertise.

00:06:16.000 This is what I'm learning.

00:06:17.000 I'm not an expert of it yet.

00:06:19.000 But I think it's something we all, when we're real men, struggle with trying to be a man in a world that just doesn't allow for it.

00:06:31.000 I think that's.

00:06:32.000 In my opinion, what I got from the book, and most other people will, it's about fighting against a world that just doesn't want you to be a man through what they put in our food and water, the laws that follow us everywhere we go.

00:06:48.000 It's a struggle, but only the powerful will break through.

00:06:53.000 True.

00:06:53.000 Well, yeah, and I was reading this article today in the New York Times, actually, about the declining fertility of men, which I had scared.

00:07:03.000 The hell out of me because I'm reading it and it says there's like a 59% decline in fertility for men over the course of just the last generation.

00:07:11.000 And they say it's because of, well, things in the water, it's because of things in the food, it's things like tight pants or whatever.

00:07:19.000 And that kind of stuff is just, I think it really tells you that message that we're not allowed to be men.

00:07:25.000 I mean, we really are at the most biological level restricted from manifesting our true form, from manifesting what it means to be human beings.

00:07:35.000 We've lost it.

00:07:37.000 So that's the bronze.

00:07:38.000 Whoever comes out of it on top is going to be a force to be reckoned with. 0.97

00:07:44.000 I mean, if you manage to get through, if you break through the, I don't know what you call it, like a glass ceiling that we have and come out on top, I think the big guys upstairs, the Rothschilds, whoever, would be terrified of whoever could pull that off. 0.52

00:08:01.000 So I guess it's a feat to, it's something to look forward to or to aspire to, I guess. 0.85

00:08:09.000 True.

00:08:10.000 No, I think that's right.

00:08:11.000 I think it's more of an ideal, something to strive for. 0.91

00:08:14.000 And I guess that would lead to another question I have, which is what would be, and this is directed towards the Bronze Age pervert, what would be your best advice to young men today? 0.93

00:08:27.000 Hold up. 0.89

00:08:28.000 Let me flip this scroll to the correct section.

00:08:35.000 Bap says, in regard to that question, I tried to put some of this advice in the last part of the book.

00:08:35.000 Okay.

00:08:42.000 I say, never lose heart or Faith in your own strength.

00:08:45.000 This is in the Iliad when Homer describes one of the warriors about to make an attack.

00:08:52.000 Like to lunge a spear at an enemy, he often has a phrase like, quote, trusting in the strength of his heavy arm, or sometimes they also mutter a prayer to one of the gods as they thrust.

00:09:03.000 I think Trump must do this too.

00:09:05.000 You must have great confidence in your own strength, both spiritual and physical, and work hard also, of course, to develop it.

00:09:13.000 Form strong friendships.

00:09:15.000 Lift weights.

00:09:16.000 Read the great books of the past.

00:09:18.000 Let the great men of the West, Caesar, Alexander, Napoleon, and the others, inspire you to greatness.

00:09:24.000 Never stop study work technology, as Weehan says. 0.98

00:09:28.000 Stay away from psychos and feds and dumb activism. 0.97

00:09:32.000 Work to improve yourself. 1.00

00:09:34.000 This is a longer term struggle.

00:09:36.000 Learn how to plan things out. 0.63

00:09:37.000 Study the deep state in Turkey, the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood, and how they did things. 0.99

00:09:43.000 Read rules for radicals. 0.99

00:09:45.000 Yes, learn from it.

00:09:47.000 Above all, never lose the sense of fun, humor, and prankishness, or the friendships you formed in this fight.

00:09:54.000 These friendships will be the most important in the political struggle to come.

00:09:57.000 And I repeat, though I only said it as an aside in the book, hoping that people were already doing it.

00:10:04.000 Clean your diet up, sleep well, lift weights, become strong, read great books.

00:10:10.000 There are many posters around who can still give concrete and more specific advice on this, too.

00:10:16.000 Very good.

00:10:17.000 Very good, all.

00:10:18.000 Great advice.

00:10:20.000 And I think that is the best thing for young men.

00:10:22.000 I was actually, somebody posted the other day on my show a super chat saying, oh, it's my birthday, blah, blah, blah.

00:10:29.000 And I gave a little birthday advice.

00:10:30.000 But when you think about young people that are growing up, and this is part of the advice that I give, and I think many people see the same thing, whether they're younger or older, that young men have to develop their faculties, have to develop their skills, their resources, their network, because I see so many of my peers, I see so many millennials and Even people like that are Generation X that have nothing, no resources, no skills. 0.93

00:10:56.000 I mean, these people are useless.

00:10:58.000 These people are, I think they really give credence to the idea of the bug man. 0.99

00:11:02.000 I mean, these people are just cogs in the machine that could not exist independent of the rest of society or independent of whatever job they have in like insurance or accounting.

00:11:13.000 You know, I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but I think you know what I'm getting at.

00:11:16.000 And so I'm a big believer in that as well, in the self improvement.

00:11:20.000 Yeah, it's not hard to, I mean, not like I'm some like.

00:11:26.000 Self improvement expert, but I mean, it's not hard to break out of the norm of eating processed foods and not working out and not sleeping well and blah, blah.

00:11:38.000 Like, it's not hard to do those things, but the second that you do start doing them, you are, I don't know, what do you, like the 99th percentile compared to the rest of the population?

00:11:50.000 Like, how many?

00:11:51.000 There's not that many people who go that far to.

00:11:56.000 Take care of themselves.

00:11:57.000 You'd probably be like in like under 5% of people, like a small niche of people who would care about their life that much and what direction they go in.

00:12:08.000 So, and I don't see any reason not to at this point, especially now.

00:12:13.000 Well, that's a great point.

00:12:14.000 And it's, I think I saw something about something very similar to that on poll or something where, and this is so true.

00:12:21.000 If you just take care of yourself in the most basic way, eat right, sleep right, go to the gym, you read classic books.

00:12:29.000 Any room you walk in, you're going to be the top 10% in that room.

00:12:36.000 You're going to be the top guy.

00:12:37.000 Just about any scenario you imagine outside of a few specialized scenarios, like if you go to a weightlifting competition or something.

00:12:44.000 But in 90% of the situations that you walk into, 90% of the rooms or scenarios, if you just take care of those basic things and are on top of it, you're immediately probably one of the most well put together people in the room.

00:12:58.000 And I think that's a very encouraging thing because people can get intimidated by.

00:13:02.000 Thinking about all the different areas that you have to clean up or think about or plan for.

00:13:07.000 But if you just do it, if you just commit to doing it and persevere, it's very simple.

00:13:12.000 It's all just about the execution.

00:13:15.000 I mean, aside from like, you know, like people who will be bug type humans forever or whatever you would call the undermensch or whatever, aside from them, I would think most people want to be stronger and More dominant.

00:13:36.000 It's pretty much ingrained in us at this point to not even try to build towards that.

00:13:44.000 You probably have a lot of regret when you die.

00:13:48.000 That's like one of your main concerns, I'd say, on top of dying young and weak and fat because you didn't care about anything that would take maybe a couple hours out of your day at most.

00:14:02.000 All right. 0.89

00:14:03.000 Well, I look at somebody like Donald Trump and I compare him to other old people. 1.00

00:14:06.000 This is a fun thought experiment that I think a lot of people should. 0.99

00:14:10.000 Should really meditate on is that you look at Donald Trump and consider he's 73 years old.

00:14:16.000 So look at what he's doing, what he's capable of, what he looks like, and the guy's 73 years old.

00:14:22.000 Then look at a 73 year old person that you know, and they're like old and decrepit.

00:14:26.000 And now, granted, he's got money, so money tends to change things.

00:14:30.000 But he's not doing anything that isn't totally impossible for anybody to do as long as they have high enough standards for themselves.

00:14:38.000 You look at a 73 year old, if you go to, I don't know, if you just walk down the street, They've got a bad back.

00:14:44.000 They're hunched over.

00:14:46.000 They don't have a tan.

00:14:47.000 I mean, people make fun of his spray tan, but it looks better than most people, you know?

00:14:51.000 And I think that.

00:14:52.000 That's 73 to me.

00:14:54.000 You saying that just kind of like sent an alarm off in my head because I totally forgot the guy's 73 years old.

00:15:02.000 It doesn't make any sense to me.

00:15:05.000 Exactly.

00:15:06.000 He knows something.

00:15:10.000 He's found the fountain of youth or he does whatever it is money, gets him.

00:15:15.000 A little bit of extra time, but it works, whatever he's doing.

00:15:19.000 Absolutely.

00:15:19.000 Well, yeah, it really does stun me as well because anytime you see him, high energy, sleeps four hours a night, four hours a night, 73 years old.

00:15:28.000 He's more energetic and enthusiastic than most people our age.

00:15:36.000 It's insane.

00:15:36.000 Yes.

00:15:37.000 Absolutely.

00:15:39.000 And that's the kind of idea that you have to get in your head.

00:15:41.000 I think that's what BAP is getting at those kinds of figures, those kinds of people and ideas.

00:15:47.000 That's what you should always have in the back of your mind to strive towards to realize it's possible.

00:15:52.000 And that's.

00:15:53.000 Good role models are, I think, very central.

00:15:56.000 Absolutely, yeah.

00:15:57.000 And let's see, we'll get into a couple more of these questions.

00:15:59.000 One of the big things that I thought while I was reading it, and this is the style that BAP has on his Twitter, and I guess it's reflected in the book as well.

00:16:09.000 It kind of is like a primitive language that's used.

00:16:13.000 There's not a lot of articles, incomplete sentences.

00:16:16.000 And by incomplete, I don't mean there's not a meaning in them, but just not all the correct grammar and verbiage.

00:16:22.000 And so, what I was wondering reading this to BAP is, Why did he make the stylistic choices that he did in writing the book?

00:16:32.000 Hold on.

00:16:33.000 Finding his reply here.

00:16:40.000 BAP says I wrote the book much like I write my Twitter.

00:16:45.000 Twatter.

00:16:46.000 That's not what you're doing.

00:16:47.000 If you're talking about the grammar, that's just how BAP writes.

00:16:50.000 The reason is because I'm a mantic from the Bronze Age and have been alive for about 3,500 years.

00:16:56.000 This is how I talk, and the people like it.

00:16:58.000 Otherwise, You ask about the humor.

00:17:00.000 I wrote the book in a couple quick bursts, and I wanted to show in the humor and outrageousness some of the intoxication with life.

00:17:08.000 You know, Homer says that when you're drunk on wine, the gods speak through your mouth, and this is what I aim for.

00:17:15.000 I leave to others to see if I was successful.

00:17:18.000 I didn't edit the book as mena or delicious tacos can tell you, nor did I really plan it out carefully.

00:17:26.000 Very good.

00:17:27.000 I mean, that answers it.

00:17:27.000 Well, very good.

00:17:28.000 I think.

00:17:30.000 I think it's an interesting stylistic choice.

00:17:32.000 It takes a couple of pages to get used to, but I pretty much enjoyed it.

00:17:37.000 I enjoyed the sense of humor in the book.

00:17:39.000 And I think there's something to be said about the medium of Twitter.com, which informs the book, which informs, I think, a lot of our mentality.

00:17:49.000 Because I'm obviously on Twitter all the time.

00:17:52.000 You post a lot on Twitter.

00:17:53.000 A lot of people who watch the show are Twitter users.

00:17:56.000 And I'm also a student of McLuhan.

00:17:59.000 You know, we read about media and that kind of thing.

00:18:01.000 And I think that you can't really divorce the substance of.

00:18:04.000 Our message and the physiognomy of our ideology and our thoughts and our vision of the world, with I think the medium of how these thoughts are expressed, which is in very short blurbs, very much how this book is written, in very short, staccato bursts of very visceral, loaded language.

00:18:22.000 I mean, do you think there's something to that?

00:18:23.000 Do you find that the medium of Twitter and of social media more generally is affecting the way that we think and how we formulate ideas?

00:18:32.000 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

00:18:34.000 I mean, it happens to me, and I've seen it happen to.

00:18:38.000 I mean, the way people text now, you could see it.

00:18:41.000 When they're telling a story, it'll be very quick bursts, maybe like three or four, rather than just like one complete thought.

00:18:49.000 I do the same thing when I write now.

00:18:53.000 I started, I'm not trying to show myself here, but I started writing my whatever you call it, book or whatever, a while ago.

00:19:02.000 And the things that I wrote before I was getting into Twitter were.

00:19:09.000 Longer form, they were longer chapters, blah blah, whatever.

00:19:14.000 And I look at it now after being on Twitter for what, like three years now, like pretty consistently.

00:19:22.000 And it's all, it looks like tweets.

00:19:24.000 It's just, and it definitely was not intentional because there's no reason for me to write that way.

00:19:31.000 And I'm convinced that Twitter, especially now with the, what is it, 280 characters that they upped it to, it gave us a little more freedom and it kind of like, You could see it happen like I just said in the book.

00:19:51.000 It'll be about the same amount of text, like 280 characters, and then I kind of just die off, or I'll do it again down the page, but in another 280 characters.

00:20:02.000 So I don't know if other people have that problem.

00:20:06.000 I think it's a little weird how it seeps into your mind like that.

00:20:10.000 Yeah, I'm not really sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing, because on the one hand, I think a lot of more classically minded people would say, It's the death of language, and they bemoan every evolution in how we use language.

00:20:24.000 And I understand that it's pretty obvious what people might say are the downsides.

00:20:29.000 And, you know, we hear the boomers complaining.

00:20:31.000 And, you know, by the way, boomers all the time talk about this kind of stuff.

00:20:35.000 They say, Oh, remember what a letter used to be like?

00:20:38.000 Remember when you had to write in school? 0.99

00:20:40.000 And it's like boomers oversaw the complete destruction of classical education. 0.96

00:20:45.000 The kind of thinking that went on before the boomers and after the boomers, they have nobody to blame but themselves. 0.93

00:20:51.000 No place, yeah.

00:20:52.000 Like they were writing great, great literature and essays.

00:20:56.000 You know, my parents, oh, we used to write letters.

00:20:58.000 Really? 1.00

00:20:59.000 You were sitting down writing essays on political theory, and then, you know, the Zoomers came along? 1.00

00:21:04.000 I don't think so. 1.00

00:21:05.000 But anyway, I think the positives of it are that you have to take away everything that is unnecessary.

00:21:12.000 And you really have to refine it down in the substance and also the form of how to convey your ideas in such a small, short little message.

00:21:22.000 And sometimes it's a thread.

00:21:23.000 But even then, it's short, little bursts.

00:21:26.000 And I think that that can be.

00:21:28.000 It has its positives.

00:21:30.000 Yeah, right.

00:21:31.000 I think there's something that could be said about that.

00:21:33.000 I find the same thing when I write as well, because I try, I sit down and try to write long form, and I can only come up with, like you said, those short, staccato, little bursts of inspiration or rhetoric or whatever, and then it's lost.

00:21:48.000 It can come out good, though.

00:21:49.000 It can definitely.

00:21:50.000 I don't know.

00:21:50.000 I find.

00:21:53.000 I think it's more engaging, because it's all this. 1.00

00:21:58.000 Shit crammed into such a small space. 0.98

00:22:01.000 I imagine if someone were to read it, they would be more likely to keep reading more pages of whatever you wrote because it's kind of like they're scrolling through Twitter. 0.99

00:22:13.000 It's just short bursts of everything right there, right in your face, like how our generation prefers it. 0.92

00:22:21.000 It's all the action summed up, cut out all the bullshit, and then there's more of it to follow in the same format.

00:22:29.000 But I guess on the other hand, It's, um, you never know if something was necessary to cut out.

00:22:39.000 You're not always the one to decide if you should have cut something out.

00:22:43.000 Like maybe something was necessary, you didn't know it.

00:22:45.000 Maybe to have it in long form adds to the style of writing or what you're writing about.

00:22:52.000 Who knows?

00:22:53.000 There's a million little things that could fall under, I mean, uh, that could affect it.

00:22:59.000 Right.

00:22:59.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:23:00.000 That's true.

00:23:00.000 And, and, Also, a problem is the ambiguity.

00:23:03.000 I can't tell you how many times I'll tweet something out and get a terrible response because people will say, Oh, well, I thought it was this way or I interpreted it this way.

00:23:12.000 That's totally wrong.

00:23:15.000 Yeah, that's definitely a big problem. 0.99

00:23:16.000 I mean, I kind of have faith in people to not be stupid, but it is. 0.99

00:23:23.000 You could be in a different. 1.00

00:23:24.000 People are always in a million different mindsets.

00:23:28.000 They could be reading it angry.

00:23:30.000 They could be reading it not angry, and then it affects how they perceive it, and then they take it out on you.

00:23:37.000 I mean, they really shouldn't take it out on you if they're not certain about what it means, but it does definitely cause that problem. 0.99

00:23:44.000 Yeah, it's not fun because the NPCs, the low IQ, black pillars, pagans, you name it, they all, you know, it is what it is. 0.97

00:23:52.000 But we got a couple more questions here. 0.99

00:23:55.000 I don't know if we're going to get to all these, but one of the big ones that I was wondering, particularly for BAP, because it's kind of interesting, because on the one hand, you know, somebody could talk like BAP and you might call them a LARPer. 0.64

00:24:09.000 And I'm not saying that's the case with BAP.

00:24:11.000 I'm saying you hear a lot of posers on Twitter.

00:24:14.000 Talk about things like Nietzsche and these big ideas.

00:24:17.000 And I don't think that's BAP because I think BAP understands the ideas.

00:24:21.000 I think they're applied in a way that is pragmatic, in a way that is logical, and not just for effect, not just for aesthetic.

00:24:28.000 So I don't, well, and not to say that aesthetic is not a good thing, but maybe for show is a better word.

00:24:34.000 But by the same token, while there is this very, I think, ambitious ideas, ambitious mentality, by the same token, there is a pragmatism in the book where.

00:24:45.000 For many of the chapters, we're talking about, well, we have to expand into unowned spaces and we need to be like Ajax and Odysseus and great heroes of the past. 0.95

00:24:54.000 But towards the end, when he gives the more practical advice, he talks about, well, for you, you shouldn't be going to these dumb rallies.

00:25:01.000 You shouldn't be throwing around Roman salutes and that kind of thing. 0.78

00:25:05.000 It should be more practical.

00:25:06.000 Save your money and build your network and that kind of thing.

00:25:09.000 And so, my question is because this is my daily struggle, is dealing with people who say politics doesn't make a difference.

00:25:15.000 It doesn't matter who you vote for.

00:25:18.000 Is it even possible?

00:25:19.000 Are we too far gone?

00:25:20.000 We're never going to win.

00:25:21.000 All this naysaying, all this doomsday talk.

00:25:23.000 And so the question to BAP would be what does he have to say to all the black pillars, all the people who are saying, well, it's either all or nothing, either it's outside the system, it's acceleration or revolution, or just forget about it, accept defeat, accept demise? 0.76

00:25:38.000 I mean, what is the message for those people? 0.58

00:25:41.000 He, he, BAP says, quote, to the black pillars, I say, Things were a lot worse in the past at times than they are now. 0.84

00:25:54.000 The nations are indeed facing an unprecedented assault with the migrant crisis, but there are hundreds of millions of Native Americans and Europeans around that will resist. 1.00

00:26:03.000 Our enemies are stupid and weak and overplay their hand. 1.00

00:26:07.000 With the example of Trump and of the European nationalists now rising, there is no reason to blackmail. 1.00

00:26:14.000 You could take what they did as an example and inspiration.

00:26:17.000 I also give hints for advice for various paths possible to pursue in the last part of the book.

00:26:23.000 Suited for different kinds of character.

00:26:25.000 Even in, say, the worst case scenario where natives are reduced to a minority in their own countries, there's no reason to despair, as the situation can be corrected. 1.00

00:26:35.000 See what the Fijians did.

00:26:36.000 I think I give this example in the book. 1.00

00:26:39.000 Black pillars, some of them can't be helped. 1.00

00:26:41.000 They're narcissists addicted to feeling a certain way. 1.00

00:26:45.000 But for others who are occasional black pillars, I could say there is always possibility for rejuvenation and for correction. 0.54

00:26:52.000 And in the struggle, you can have a lot of fun. 0.68

00:26:54.000 Again, Trump is an example of that.

00:26:56.000 I remember 2016 during the election when we were having a lot of fun on Twitter and elsewhere, trolling the hell out of these people, but also fighting for our side.

00:27:05.000 I wanted to bring back some of that spirit of 2016 in the book, when you can enjoy yourself, be a prankster, but also work for the right political goals.

00:27:14.000 This is especially possible today because the establishment and our enemies are so humorless and constipated and afraid.

00:27:21.000 So you can do both.

00:27:22.000 No point moping around. 1.00

00:27:23.000 If you're a serious black pillar, I say change your diet first and lift. 1.00

00:27:28.000 You'll start to feel better. 1.00

00:27:31.000 I think that is.

00:27:32.000 Oh, excuse me one second.

00:27:34.000 Oh, I don't know what's going on.

00:27:37.000 Yeah, I'm dying over here.

00:27:39.000 You know, the mistake that I made was I was up all night, as usual, in my study pouring over ancient manuscripts.

00:27:48.000 And I had the space heater cranked all the way up to like, it is like probably 85 degrees in this room right now.

00:27:57.000 And so I was in here pouring over things.

00:28:00.000 Granted, I wasn't wearing a suit, I was wearing very little.

00:28:02.000 I mean, you have to get in the right mindset.

00:28:04.000 That's why it was so hot.

00:28:04.000 Of course.

00:28:06.000 And then I went up to my bed to take a little nap, came back down, woke up bright and early at 5 o'clock p.m. to start the show.

00:28:13.000 And maybe it's the heat or something that's really making me feel subpar, suboptimal.

00:28:19.000 I'm trying to sit or have a coffee.

00:28:21.000 Yeah, I'm having a little water.

00:28:22.000 I was contemplating doing the sit, but I don't know if I'm going to sleep tonight.

00:28:26.000 They're really bad, actually.

00:28:28.000 I didn't want to say it, but I think this is the right.

00:28:30.000 I think the people watching are the correct demographic for me to make this statement.

00:28:36.000 And the statement is I don't think it's good for us, but it is.

00:28:40.000 It's good though.

00:28:42.000 It has a lot of sucralose.

00:28:44.000 It has a lot of dyes and it has a lot of things that we can't pronounce or I can't.

00:28:49.000 So they're to be determined whether, I mean, those are usually never good to put in your body.

00:28:55.000 But I'm starting to think we might have to back away from sips sooner or later.

00:29:02.000 Who knows?

00:29:03.000 I don't think a lot of them will.

00:29:05.000 I think a lot of us are addicted.

00:29:07.000 Yeah, I tried my first sip last week.

00:29:10.000 I had the white one, right?

00:29:12.000 What's that?

00:29:13.000 You tried the white one?

00:29:14.000 Yeah, yeah, the Zero Ultra.

00:29:15.000 I don't know why everyone likes that one.

00:29:18.000 If I drink sips, I would have the orange one.

00:29:22.000 I haven't had any other flavor.

00:29:24.000 The orange one is.

00:29:26.000 It tastes like.

00:29:28.000 What is it called?

00:29:29.000 Like a creamsicle or cream.

00:29:31.000 What are they called?

00:29:32.000 Yeah, creamsicle.

00:29:33.000 The vanilla over the orange.

00:29:35.000 The ice cream pop.

00:29:36.000 I'll have to give that one a go. 0.99

00:29:38.000 The other ones suck. 0.99

00:29:39.000 Don't waste your time. 1.00

00:29:40.000 Purple tastes like.

00:29:42.000 Like that, like grape cough syrup.

00:29:45.000 Red tastes like cough syrup, and blue is.

00:29:48.000 I don't think anyone drinks blue.

00:29:50.000 I think that's reserved solely for sociopaths.

00:29:54.000 I don't know who.

00:29:55.000 I've never seen anyone drink a blue one.

00:29:57.000 Yeah, maybe.

00:29:58.000 Well, I'll have to try them all for myself, but I tried the white one last night because Beardson was posting the sit meme.

00:30:04.000 I wanted to be cool.

00:30:05.000 I wanted to be a part of it. 0.99

00:30:06.000 And I was watching the weekly slut, and I poured myself just a little sample in this mug, and it doesn't even taste good because I eat horrible stuff because. 1.00

00:30:16.000 And there's a good reason for it.

00:30:17.000 People say, Nick, why do you eat fast food?

00:30:19.000 It's so bad for you.

00:30:20.000 You eat like Burger King and McDonald's all the time.

00:30:23.000 I have the metabolism for it.

00:30:23.000 I'm young.

00:30:25.000 I don't have to pay a big price.

00:30:26.000 So I'm going to get it in while I'm still 20, you know.

00:30:29.000 But I try the sips.

00:30:31.000 And that, you know, all the bad stuff wouldn't bother me because I'm not a big caffeine person, but it doesn't even taste good.

00:30:37.000 It tastes like a Jolly Rancher.

00:30:39.000 It's too sweet.

00:30:40.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:30:41.000 White is specifically, it's really bad. 0.99

00:30:43.000 It's worse than the others. 1.00

00:30:44.000 The others are bad too.

00:30:46.000 They have that.

00:30:48.000 They put so much, I guess it's the sucralose.

00:30:50.000 They put so much of it in it for no reason.

00:30:54.000 It doesn't need to be that sweet that it kind of just, after not drinking them for a while, it tastes like you are drinking straight up, like Jolly Rancher's, like you said, or like some other candy.

00:31:06.000 It's disgusting.

00:31:07.000 And you know that nothing that you're getting out of it is that good except for maybe the caffeine high.

00:31:12.000 That's it.

00:31:13.000 But I mean, just drink coffee at that point.

00:31:15.000 Well, exactly.

00:31:16.000 You drink two cups of coffee, it's the equivalent of a monster.

00:31:19.000 And it's warm.

00:31:20.000 And coffee has benefits besides, I mean, sips don't have benefits outside of caffeine.

00:31:26.000 Coffee.

00:31:26.000 I think Bap just posted about that.

00:31:29.000 I can't remember who said it.

00:31:32.000 Some guy he mentioned said coffee has like a number of proven benefits.

00:31:37.000 Why not just switch over?

00:31:40.000 Yeah, no coffee.

00:31:41.000 I don't do the coffee.

00:31:42.000 I don't do the sips, but I certainly think the coffee is preferable over the sips.

00:31:47.000 It's too much sugar.

00:31:48.000 And it's not even sugar because it's, isn't it like zero calorie?

00:31:52.000 It's all these artificial sips.

00:31:53.000 Yeah, zero calories, zero sugar.

00:31:55.000 It's, you know, I don't even think you could.

00:31:58.000 Break it down into anything recognizable, like from nature or wherever.

00:32:04.000 Nothing, nothing.

00:32:08.000 Not good, not good.

00:32:09.000 But no, I think the question we were on before we got to the sips, because I had that little coughing fit, about the black pillars is so true in terms of there is a very big difference, I think, between somebody who black pills occasionally, which I think we all do.

00:32:26.000 I think we all, the nature of what we're fighting.

00:32:29.000 Gets to us at times.

00:32:31.000 But there is, on the other hand, these people who are addicted to being miserable, people who are addicted to this feeling of, I'm sad and nobody's going to tell me otherwise.

00:32:42.000 And there is a narcissism about that.

00:32:46.000 They leave an impression on them.

00:32:48.000 I mean, they're posting online.

00:32:49.000 People read it.

00:32:50.000 It sinks into your subconscious.

00:32:52.000 It's not helping anyone. 1.00

00:32:54.000 I get being black built. 1.00

00:32:56.000 Everyone gets black built. 0.98

00:32:57.000 It's hard not to read anything online nowadays, but you have to. 1.00

00:33:02.000 You can't just go around like spreading it more.

00:33:06.000 You're just helping the other guys.

00:33:08.000 It's pointless.

00:33:09.000 Well, it's demoralization.

00:33:10.000 And that's counterintelligence 101 the repetition and it's the demoralization.

00:33:16.000 You'll never win.

00:33:17.000 And it's always instilling self doubt.

00:33:19.000 It's always saying, don't go out there and execute.

00:33:22.000 Don't think about what we can do.

00:33:24.000 Think about if it's possible.

00:33:26.000 Think about if it would even make a difference after all.

00:33:29.000 And all that other kind of futile worrying and anxiety.

00:33:33.000 But I do understand the momentary kind of thing.

00:33:35.000 Like the other night, I was listening to the band America.

00:33:38.000 I'm listening to just straight through, I forget what I was doing at the time, but I'm listening to them.

00:33:43.000 And I thought about like the 1950s, the 1960s.

00:33:48.000 I thought about the childhood of our boomer parents where they're riding around in the small town on a bike.

00:33:54.000 You think about like Stand By Me, things like that.

00:33:57.000 And you contrast that with think about all the hordes of people that have come in while that was happening.

00:34:03.000 Think about what life is like now.

00:34:05.000 In Los Angeles, what it's like in New York City, what it's like in Hartford, Connecticut.

00:34:11.000 And that is the biggest black pill.

00:34:13.000 That to me makes me want to cry because you think about what an experience it must have been like for youth in America.

00:34:20.000 And I probably got the tail end of that because I grew up in a relatively white, traditional suburb.

00:34:27.000 So I probably got the tail end of that. 0.82

00:34:28.000 But I weep for the future generations that will not know that, that will know just Brazil effectively. 0.86

00:34:34.000 Recognizable from that time. 0.98

00:34:38.000 Whoever comes after us is basically fucked at this point, unless we, I mean, I'm starting to sound like black, unless we actually start doing something. 0.84

00:34:48.000 Well, yeah, and that's really what it comes down to is that should serve as motivation rather than, and that's the fine balance that we have to strike between getting an understanding of our enemy and that motivates us. 0.98

00:35:01.000 That's an incentive to work towards things which we might think are impossible or very difficult or exact a tremendous toll versus really having it crush the soul, being so burdensome that it's paralyzing.

00:35:15.000 And I think that's the balance we have to find as a movement.

00:35:18.000 And that's why you need people that are.

00:35:21.000 Optimists, you know, people say, Nick, you're too optimistic, or you think it's going to work out so perfectly.

00:35:26.000 And it's all just about the balance. 0.92

00:35:28.000 It's all just about, for every 10 black pillars, you need about 100 white pillars that are pushing the message that we should keep fighting. 0.98

00:35:38.000 Yeah, you got to, I mean, at least fake it till you make it. 0.95

00:35:41.000 It goes with confidence and it'll work for this, I believe, if we just, you don't even have to fake it.

00:35:47.000 Just convince yourself that if you keep fighting, Something good will come of it, I guess.

00:35:54.000 It's really that simple.

00:35:56.000 It's not a hard formula to figure out.

00:35:58.000 Right.

00:36:00.000 Well, and so we'll take one more question here for BAP, and then I want to get into some other things with Michael Ma, because I know people have been dying to hear from you since the Twitter ban.

00:36:10.000 So the last question I think we'll look at is just about the book itself, which is have you been surprised with the success of the book, and did that meet or exceed your expectations?

00:36:22.000 Because I know.

00:36:23.000 Like everybody's reading this book, everybody's talking about it, and I don't think anybody saw this coming, right?

00:36:31.000 He says, I was surprised.

00:36:34.000 I was told I could sell as little as a couple hundred books or could hope for 500 total over like a year.

00:36:41.000 I outsold establishment backed traders like Clapper and McCain for the majority of June.

00:36:47.000 The book got up to rank 135 or something for a couple of days.

00:36:51.000 That's site wide on all of Amazon books, not just in a category.

00:36:55.000 It was top 25 for humor, top 10 for history, top 5 for new releases for a while.

00:37:01.000 This is unusual for a self published book by someone who really only has presence on Twitter.

00:37:07.000 It led to weirdo conspiracy theories that I was coordinating with intel agencies or Vox.

00:37:12.000 In fact, I got some editing advice or rather encouragement from Mena and Delicious Tacos and the cover illustration from O and Cyclops.

00:37:22.000 But that's about the extent of any planned coordination.

00:37:25.000 I had to lay out the book myself for Amazon Publishing.

00:37:28.000 I did it last minute and it will probably have to be redone.

00:37:32.000 So, anyways, it exceeded my expectations and it's still being spread around.

00:37:38.000 Very good.

00:37:38.000 Well, it's very encouraging, I think, for a lot of people who want to get a message out like that.

00:37:43.000 And I think it's also a testament to the fact that we can still get things accomplished.

00:37:51.000 Because I see a lot of the institutional problems on my end PayPal, Maker Support, Patreon, Stripe, and Twitter, YouTube, the deplatforming that goes on.

00:38:00.000 And it's very encouraging to see that we're still able, I think, to beat the system.

00:38:06.000 If somebody like Bapp can get out there and push a book that outsells John McCain and John Clapper, I think that's pretty encouraging to the rest of us.

00:38:14.000 So it's a great story.

00:38:16.000 I would encourage people to go and check it out.

00:38:18.000 It's on Amazon.com.

00:38:20.000 I think it's like 15, 16 bucks where you get the e book, which is $10.

00:38:24.000 I never buy the e books because I like.

00:38:27.000 Yeah, don't buy the e book.

00:38:28.000 You got to buy the hard copy.

00:38:29.000 Yeah, you got to get the real.

00:38:31.000 It's the real deal.

00:38:32.000 You know, I like to feel it.

00:38:33.000 If you read about fighting the modern world, you got to start by reading a book that you can hold in your hands rather than on a Kindle. 1.00

00:38:41.000 Fuck Kindles. 1.00

00:38:42.000 They're gay. 1.00

00:38:43.000 Absolutely. 1.00

00:38:44.000 So gay. 1.00

00:38:45.000 And the other day, I was reading a book that I ordered, and I was actually kind of pissed because I ordered it from a half price book in like Texas. 1.00

00:38:54.000 And it was, they said it's in very good condition.

00:38:56.000 It's an old book from like 1960, and it's in very good condition.

00:39:00.000 I got it, it was all beaten up and stuff.

00:39:02.000 But then I started reading it, and I'm feeling the pages, and there's like a texture to it, and it smells like an old book.

00:39:09.000 I said, This is so much better. 1.00

00:39:10.000 This is so much better than a faggotty e book, you know, or anything like that. 1.00

00:39:15.000 If, if, You really believe things are going to get bad, then when they do get bad, you're not going to be able to charge your Kindle or charge your iPhone to read on iBooks or whatever it's called. 1.00

00:39:26.000 You got to hunker down in your nuclear shelter, your fallout shelter, with some hard copy books.

00:39:35.000 And that's comfy right there.

00:39:37.000 God, I almost wish that would happen.

00:39:40.000 I almost wish.

00:39:41.000 Because I imagine what it would be like being like 50 feet underground with just like a big, comfy bookcase in like five years.

00:39:41.000 I know, right?

00:39:50.000 I felt like a bench for.

00:39:50.000 That's awesome.

00:39:53.000 I wish the same, honestly, but I don't know. 1.00

00:39:56.000 I was hoping with North Korea. 1.00

00:39:58.000 Nothing there. 1.00

00:40:00.000 I don't know enough about Iran to get excited about that. 0.99

00:40:04.000 Waiting for, I guess, an EMP or Yellowstone at this point. 0.98

00:40:07.000 Who knows?

00:40:08.000 Right.

00:40:08.000 Yeah, those will be the big ones.

00:40:09.000 The EMP gives me a little hope or like a cyber attack, something to take down the electrical grid.

00:40:14.000 Maybe it'll be a solar flare.

00:40:15.000 Who knows?

00:40:16.000 But yeah, we've got to start working on the shelter.

00:40:22.000 That's what I'm doing out here.

00:40:24.000 That's why I'm out in the woods in the middle of nowhere, a place beyond the pines, getting ready for.

00:40:31.000 I don't know, Yellowstone goes off.

00:40:34.000 They all start running towards the east, just perch up on the roof with some coffee, some books, and a hunting rifle.

00:40:43.000 That's the life right there.

00:40:44.000 That's West Virginia, right?

00:40:46.000 That's the fallout mindset.

00:40:47.000 I like it.

00:40:49.000 And I guess that leads into what I want to talk to you about. 0.94

00:40:51.000 Is I know you've been posting a lot of Anprim, and Anprim has basically taken over Twitter. 0.88

00:40:56.000 I think it's very funny that people would, I think people have an idea in their head of what right wing Twitter would look like. 0.84

00:41:04.000 It would be like swastika, it would be like Gab, basically.

00:41:07.000 They would think it would be like Gab.

00:41:09.000 But you go on right wing Twitter, and every six months, there's a different flavor. 0.82

00:41:13.000 It's Lucas posting, you're going to see some guy's nipples, or you're going to see a bunch of pine trees, and this kind of thing.

00:41:21.000 And so just tell us a little bit about that. 0.89

00:41:23.000 Have you always been in Anprim?

00:41:25.000 Is this a recent discovery?

00:41:27.000 And then what are your plans?

00:41:28.000 I know you've talked about starting a woodland compound, getting off the grid.

00:41:32.000 Is that serious?

00:41:33.000 And just give us the gestalt of the pine tree mentality.

00:41:40.000 Well, first, you said, how long have I been into this?

00:41:43.000 I've read, I mean, all my life I've been a nature person.

00:41:48.000 I think most guys like us or in our inner circle, whatever you call it, are naturally attracted to the outdoors, the guns, to.

00:41:59.000 Being able to survive if everything shit the bed one day, you would be able to survive on your own.

00:42:07.000 It's the sort of thing guys like us and whoever else, all the Pine Tree guys, are naturally drawn to.

00:42:14.000 So, in terms of that sort of lifestyle, it's just like a natural affinity, I guess.

00:42:25.000 But for Unabomber stuff and all that other stuff, I think I read the manifesto back like a year or two ago, and ever since just been rereading it because there's other versions that he recommends himself from prison, or there's prison letters, or there's updates or letters from his lawyer or whatever.

00:42:55.000 An interesting topic that keeps evolving despite the guy being locked in jail for the rest of his life.

00:43:02.000 And I think it just clicked in my head after reading it for the first time that it's a lot more serious than just enjoying nature.

00:43:15.000 It's more about protecting it by any means necessary.

00:43:21.000 Not a terrorist.

00:43:22.000 I'm not advocating terrorist activities, but you get what I'm saying.

00:43:27.000 It's about.

00:43:28.000 Making it a lifestyle rather than, oh, I'm going to go hiking today and that's it.

00:43:36.000 I don't know.

00:43:37.000 I find it's like the one thing that will always be there for us, no matter how bad things get.

00:43:43.000 And we should return the favor by learning about it and subjecting ourselves to nature as much as we can and appreciating it.

00:43:54.000 As for the compound, I think.

00:44:01.000 I got that idea around the same time as reading the manifesto, and it came up naturally among me and some friends.

00:44:10.000 What would be the end all scenario of living out this sort of lifestyle?

00:44:16.000 It would be living off the grid in the middle of the Appalachian Mountains or in the middle of Colorado or Montana or Texas or something.

00:44:30.000 As of right now, the compound is.

00:44:33.000 Is very real and important to me.

00:44:37.000 Obviously, it takes a lot of work.

00:44:41.000 You have to, there's a million things you have to do, and you're essentially changing the life of yourself and whoever else you take with you for a good long while if they decide to stay, and you are changing it very drastically to accept that sort of lifestyle, to just go completely off the grid.

00:45:05.000 I'm talking to. 0.94

00:45:07.000 So, talking to this one guy who claims he has 1,500 acres somewhere in Texas that he would allow us to use for compound purposes, talking to him about that, not getting my hopes up because, you know, everything, someone could be a fed, something could just be bullshit. 0.95

00:45:29.000 You never know. 0.73

00:45:29.000 So, I don't get my hopes up. 0.73

00:45:30.000 But, worst case, I would just do my best to crowdfund it, put in some of my own money, some.

00:45:39.000 People have said they would invest some money, maybe find a big investor whose lifelong dream was to do the same thing.

00:45:47.000 Who knows?

00:45:48.000 But it is definitely a big, realistic goal of mine.

00:45:55.000 How long it'll take, I don't know.

00:45:57.000 I'm just a 22 year old guy trying to figure out how to create a massive woodland compound.

00:46:04.000 So we'll see how it goes.

00:46:07.000 I'll get some help along the way.

00:46:09.000 And then the father base will become real.

00:46:11.000 We'll have our.

00:46:12.000 Our own outer heaven out in the middle of nowhere where no one could find us.

00:46:17.000 We'll see.

00:46:18.000 I like it.

00:46:19.000 I appreciate the ambition.

00:46:21.000 We've talked about an America First compound on the show for a long time, more or less jokingly.

00:46:27.000 But it's great to see.

00:46:29.000 Just combine them.

00:46:31.000 More armed pine tree guys, more power.

00:46:35.000 That's right.

00:46:35.000 Well, ours will be a little bit different.

00:46:37.000 I've often said the America First compound will have brutalist architecture, very imposing, oppressive, concrete, just ugly architecture to scare people away.

00:46:48.000 But on the inside, it would just be like.

00:46:51.000 It's kind of ironic because I'm Catholic, obviously, but effectively inside it would just be like the pleasure palace.

00:46:57.000 It would be Burger King, McDonald's, Fortnite.

00:47:00.000 You'd have all the great trappings.

00:47:02.000 You'd have sips for Beardson and Paultown, and it would just be a wonderful thing.

00:47:08.000 Maybe we'll put it up right and we'll have the woodland compound and then maybe 200 acres north or, you know, I don't know.

00:47:15.000 Just a small amount separating them so that the pine tree guys aren't tempted by the video games and fast food.

00:47:22.000 That sounds like it.

00:47:23.000 Exactly.

00:47:24.000 Yeah, yeah, so you couldn't smell the grease.

00:47:26.000 It would be a couple of clicks north, but it would be far away.

00:47:30.000 That's the best way to do it.

00:47:32.000 Otherwise, I like that it's a realistic idea.

00:47:36.000 I don't know if you guys had internet there.

00:47:39.000 I would go there if I could stream America first.

00:47:41.000 I don't know, though.

00:47:42.000 I mean, I've been thinking very seriously about going off the grid for some time because I'm going to get married in this decade, which I'm not really thrilled about. 1.00

00:47:53.000 I'm not really thrilled about getting into the woman question. 1.00

00:47:57.000 And going behind it and be lines like that. 0.99

00:48:01.000 But I want a male heir.

00:48:02.000 I want children and all that. 0.96

00:48:04.000 But I think before I commit myself to that, before I put down roots and start living the trad life, I want to go into the woods and discover. 0.97

00:48:15.000 We want to get connected with nature, read books and things.

00:48:18.000 I think that's what a lot of people want, young people want.

00:48:22.000 And so I've always thought, I don't know when it's going to happen.

00:48:24.000 At some point when I'm financially set and my investments can appreciate.

00:48:29.000 Without me looking over them so much.

00:48:31.000 So maybe, who knows?

00:48:33.000 Maybe I'll join you.

00:48:33.000 Maybe if it's all put together by 24 hours.

00:48:36.000 If it works, it's going to be comfy.

00:48:38.000 I know that.

00:48:38.000 I don't know if we'll have internet that might, maybe we'll start off with it or maybe we'll have a designated internet area.

00:48:46.000 I don't know.

00:48:47.000 But as we go along, we will flesh out the details and one day we could really have a hidden Appalachian or Texas compound in the middle of nowhere.

00:49:01.000 It could be real.

00:49:02.000 It would be freedom.

00:49:02.000 It would be total freedom.

00:49:04.000 Until we get raided.

00:49:05.000 I hope we do not get raided.

00:49:09.000 Waco, Texas 2.0 in the chat.

00:49:12.000 They're not wrong, but I mean, who knows?

00:49:17.000 If we stick to the laws, we'll be okay, I think.

00:49:20.000 We've got to make sure we pay our taxes, use the U.S. dollar, and all the rest of it.

00:49:25.000 All that good stuff.

00:49:27.000 Right.

00:49:27.000 We've got to make sure we have a central bank somewhere in the acreage just to keep everybody cool.

00:49:34.000 Yeah, no, it'll be something.

00:49:36.000 But it's interesting how the.

00:49:39.000 What you said about Ted Kaczynski and how the conversation is still evolving, even though he's in prison.

00:49:44.000 Because it's fascinating to me that, I mean, obviously horrible things that he did.

00:49:49.000 We have to say that the terrorist attacks were no good, were immoral, and all that.

00:49:54.000 But it's interesting that he started this conversation in the 90s through less than legal means and maybe perhaps less than moral means.

00:50:03.000 But it's still ongoing, and people are still thinking about it, thinking about technology's influence on their lives.

00:50:08.000 Kind of something parallel to political theory that I think unfortunately goes unconsidered in the mainstream.

00:50:08.000 And just.

00:50:15.000 You know, you talk to most people about technology, and outside of just like a very cliched, like Tumblr, we're on our phones too much, we watch too much television, outside of that, people don't really think about just with any kind of sense of proportion or context just how much the human experience has changed so recently and so dramatically because of technology.

00:50:39.000 And so I think the more people that are talking about that, the better, because it can't all be good.

00:50:44.000 There has to be some consideration, some deliberate intentionality.

00:50:49.000 Toward how we move forward with this.

00:50:52.000 It can't just be this blind progress, blind, constantly striving for God even knows what, right?

00:50:59.000 Yeah, no, I think if the people who are in charge now are the ones who continue to develop technology, then things will not fare well for right wing guys or really, I mean, for anyone, but really for right wing young males or males in general.

00:51:21.000 They'll keep finding ways to.

00:51:23.000 I mean, they've already found ways to secretly poison our water and food through whatever means.

00:51:31.000 I mean, the extents that they'll go to, the more they advance with technology, I can't even imagine.

00:51:40.000 It's definitely something that's in the back of everyone's heads.

00:51:45.000 But like you said, the deepest you'll get is phones are bad.

00:51:52.000 I know Kanye tweeted about that once.

00:51:54.000 They probably.

00:51:55.000 Spark that argument against, like, oh, we're on our phones all the time.

00:51:58.000 It's like, okay, well, great.

00:52:00.000 Now what?

00:52:01.000 Are you going to go, I don't know, blow something up?

00:52:05.000 Don't do that.

00:52:06.000 But are you going to?

00:52:07.000 Are you going to, I don't know.

00:52:10.000 There's a million things you could do to fight it. 0.99

00:52:16.000 I don't think people actually give a shit. 0.99

00:52:18.000 And then another, on the flip side, or not really, it's a relevant argument, is people. 0.99

00:52:25.000 We'll look at Pine Tree guys or just guys who've read Ted and talk about him.

00:52:30.000 And there's always the arguments like, oh, you like Ted Kaczynski, but you posted this on Twitter.

00:52:37.000 It's like, am I just going to go outside and shout the thing I want to tell everyone until someone hears me and then the revolution starts?

00:52:48.000 I mean, he talks about it in the book.

00:52:50.000 I tried finding it recently, but I didn't want to dedicate that much energy to someone with that argument.

00:52:57.000 But he talks about how.

00:52:58.000 You know, you want to cause, you want to kickstart a revolution.

00:53:03.000 You're not going to do it from outside the affected area or the area of problem.

00:53:13.000 You're not going to tell everyone how bad technology is without using technology.

00:53:19.000 It's just you have to use technology to start, you know, getting that information out, start educating people, start sharing information.

00:53:30.000 Your arguments, your side of the story, it's a necessary evil, but people will just immediately go, Oh, you posted this from an iPhone.

00:53:39.000 It's just, it's kind of like a brain let take at this point.

00:53:44.000 I mean, it always has been, but it's such a closed minded way to end the argument.

00:53:51.000 I see it a lot, and it's a way to just not look any deeper into the things that we all believe in.

00:53:59.000 It's very defeatist.

00:54:01.000 It gets old.

00:54:02.000 Well, it's the we live in a society argument.

00:54:04.000 You never.

00:54:06.000 Those people, the same people, but they can't just devote.

00:54:10.000 I mean, the manifestos probably, you don't even have to read that.

00:54:14.000 You could skim information online, but the source text itself is 80 pages. 0.95

00:54:21.000 I fucking suck at reading, and I read it in like half a day or something. 0.56

00:54:26.000 It's really, if you want to argue with us, whatever you call us, pine tree guys, neo Luddites, whatever, at least read the source material, and then maybe you can own us with it. 0.99

00:54:42.000 You won't, there's really not much to.

00:54:44.000 Are you against in there, but you can try.

00:54:47.000 Right.

00:54:48.000 Well, yeah, and that's, I think that's really a big part of it is people don't get a little echo there.

00:54:54.000 Okay, no, we're good now.

00:54:56.000 But yeah, no, people don't really understand it.

00:54:58.000 I think it's, people will always boil it down to the most simple, the most, oh, you're against, you're just simply are against technology.

00:55:07.000 Oh, but you're using technology.

00:55:08.000 Isn't that a contradiction?

00:55:09.000 So I think that brings up the larger point.

00:55:12.000 And this is something I've been thinking about a lot, which is like the NPC idea that most people, Are just kind of useless.

00:55:21.000 It's difficult because I'm a Christian, and so we believe that, well, every individual has infinite worth and we're all equal before God and that kind of thing.

00:55:29.000 But by the same token, I see what people post in YouTube comments.

00:55:33.000 I see people getting in fights in Facebook comments.

00:55:36.000 I see people in like Walmart, you know, and I think, is that really true?

00:55:42.000 It doesn't help your argument of everyone deserves or is everyone's worth something.

00:55:48.000 It really kind of saps that right away.

00:55:50.000 Right.

00:55:51.000 And I think that that's kind of a problem with any kind of political reform.

00:55:56.000 Maybe with intelligent people, I don't know.

00:55:59.000 And this is not like, oh, I'm so smart and everything.

00:56:01.000 But I mean, you look at just like the masses and masses of people, there's going to be 10 billion people on the planet in short order.

00:56:08.000 And to me, it seems like there is going to be a great culling very soon.

00:56:14.000 I don't know in what form it's going to take, but I have a very strong intuition that within this century, there is going to be some cataclysmic event. 0.96

00:56:23.000 That is going to take all these people who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground and make it so that they are no longer viable on planet Earth. 0.85

00:56:30.000 I don't know if that's disease or it's like resources run out. 0.99

00:56:36.000 Yeah, go ahead.

00:56:37.000 I said it has to happen at this point because at this rate, the amount of people that you describe as NPCs, I guess you describe it as people who give you that stare. 0.73

00:56:52.000 I know it's a corny term, but the fluoride stare, I think it's funny. 0.64

00:56:56.000 It describes it pretty well, whether or not it's.

00:56:58.000 Actually, caused by fluoride is irrelevant because the term is just accurate.

00:57:05.000 They all, if you even begin to venture outside what you would call programmed dialogue, you just get this, you either get chastised for it or run out of the room, or you just get the stare, which is to me infinitely worse because it feels like you just kind of hit a wall in a simulation.

00:57:28.000 And it happens a lot.

00:57:30.000 The NPC.

00:57:32.000 Problem is a huge problem nowadays.

00:57:36.000 And it will not get any better unless something like what you said will happen, thin out the herd.

00:57:42.000 Well, yeah.

00:57:43.000 I mean, just the quality of people is declining.

00:57:45.000 I mean, I was talking to this, I was talking with Ali about this yesterday, talking about demographics.

00:57:51.000 He said demographics is not destiny.

00:57:52.000 And I think he views that largely in the context of race.

00:57:56.000 I think about it largely in terms of, and this is how people have to think about America.

00:58:01.000 America is not like we say America and everyone knows what that means, but people don't really think.

00:58:06.000 What is America?

00:58:08.000 It's not like it's just this massive land or it's the government.

00:58:12.000 It's cities in particular areas and also farms comprised of people.

00:58:17.000 And if the people are not high quality, the country's not going to be high quality.

00:58:22.000 And exactly like you say about going off script with the dialogue, I know, and I think many people know exactly what that means.

00:58:29.000 Where if you say something that is not part of the ordinary routine, it's not like in some kind of role playing game, or if you don't pick one of the given options, The game malfunctions.

00:58:40.000 It crashes.

00:58:41.000 Is it 404?

00:58:43.000 Of Elder Scrolls Oblivion for some reason, specifically that game.

00:58:47.000 That weird, like the second that you either don't say the right thing or anything at all, that stare.

00:58:56.000 It's like that same exact facial expression, but on real humans. 0.96

00:59:02.000 Every time reminds me of that old ass game from like 10 years ago. 0.98

00:59:07.000 It creeps me out. 0.98

00:59:08.000 And I see it a lot, especially.

00:59:11.000 I mean, you kind of learn how to. 0.56

00:59:14.000 I'm not saying like I'm some fucking high IQ, like no one understands me, but you really don't have to be that outside of the circle to get that reaction. 0.73

00:59:25.000 Like, I'll be in the grocery store and I'll just say something that's a little bit off the beaten path, and it's like that's it. 0.97

00:59:34.000 The conversation is dead in the water.

00:59:36.000 So you kind of learn to navigate around normie dialogue, and it's tiring, but.

00:59:43.000 I don't know.

00:59:44.000 There's really nothing you could do to fix it outside of pray for Yellowstone disease, whatever, because if you try to press them any further, you end up looking like that, like someone who would be in a YouTube video being filmed freaking out in public.

01:00:03.000 That's the point you get to.

01:00:04.000 And it's kind of, like I said, it's tiring, but there's not much you could do about it really, because you cannot press it any further.

01:00:13.000 That's it.

01:00:14.000 Well, yeah, I mean, there's just no cognition that's going on.

01:00:17.000 I mean, you can see that.

01:00:19.000 You talk to people, and by and large, I don't know if it's people who don't have an internal dialogue or they don't know how to process scenarios.

01:00:28.000 I mean, we think about thinking and it's observing, it's analyzing, it's orienting, it's reacting.

01:00:34.000 I mean, this is what it means to act, this is what it means to think.

01:00:36.000 I mean, that's the OODA loop in like strategic situations, but by and large, I think it applies to conversation.

01:00:43.000 And you can tell that when you talk to people, In very few conversations, are people hearing what you're saying, really processing it, and then responding in an appropriate way?

01:00:55.000 You'll find that most people, it's like they are taking sample dialogue from iCarly or from a sitcom from Modern Family. 0.98

01:01:03.000 And Sam Hyde did a little video about this where he says that people are like robots and they say things that they hear on sitcoms, like, oh, that's too much information, or yeah, okay, you know, that kind of shit. 0.94

01:01:15.000 Yeah, that is. 0.93

01:01:16.000 I don't know if I saw that video or not, but that does.

01:01:19.000 Sound familiar because they really do pull things.

01:01:22.000 I think there's just sentences or quotes that you can tell have been pulled from some sort, like they just binge watch, like How I Met Your Mother or The Office.

01:01:35.000 Those sorts of things, like, I mean, I've seen The Office and I hear those sorts of like that sort of dialogue just pulled straight from the show and adapted to their personality.

01:01:47.000 It's very like, I don't know, it's jarring.

01:01:50.000 I mean, it kind of gives me the same effect where I'm just like, where they would be, I would have hit a wall with them.

01:01:57.000 I kind of hit a wall, or they hit a wall with me.

01:02:01.000 It's like, what do you say to that stuff?

01:02:03.000 I guess you just play along if you don't want to come off as, you know, that guy.

01:02:08.000 You don't want to come off as strange.

01:02:10.000 Well, jarring is the right word because when you really, when it really sinks in, you feel like you're in like invasion of the body snatchers or like something like that because it's almost inhuman.

01:02:22.000 I mean, I've talked to people and you realize more and more that people are effectively just like machines.

01:02:30.000 You push the right buttons and you get the right outcomes.

01:02:33.000 Like, you know what to, you know that saying certain things will get a certain.

01:02:37.000 Emotionally, reaction, you know, where that comes from.

01:02:39.000 And people just lack the self awareness to really anticipate that or to understand that.

01:02:46.000 Like, I'll give you an example.

01:02:47.000 I was talking one time to one of my friends, and you don't really think about this too much, but like the average person, maybe their IQ is like 100, and that doesn't really sink in.

01:02:57.000 And like you said, I'm not saying I'm like some genius.

01:03:00.000 People have it out like I think I'm the smartest person in the world.

01:03:03.000 I don't think that.

01:03:03.000 I think I'm just probably smarter than your average person.

01:03:07.000 But you'll take an average person who I was talking to, and they were like, Well, where do you get your views?

01:03:13.000 Why do you think that X, Y, and Z happened?

01:03:15.000 Why do you think that certain historical events have not happened or happened in different ways?

01:03:20.000 And I said, Well, it's really very simple.

01:03:23.000 And I don't think this is very high, complicated, sophisticated stuff.

01:03:27.000 I said, I look at the facts, and then I look at which narrative, which story conforms to the facts.

01:03:34.000 You know, if you're talking about, well, this data or this, This piece of physical evidence, how does that conform to a given theory?

01:03:41.000 If you're saying, well, this happened, but the facts don't match that, well, then I don't believe that.

01:03:46.000 But if you're looking at this idea, and he said, well, oh, so you just believe in conformity?

01:03:51.000 You're just a conformant?

01:03:52.000 And I'm like, and then I thought in that moment, you heard one word, and the connotations of that word just took over how you process that whole sentence.

01:04:02.000 Instead of, like, you don't even know effectively what that word means.

01:04:07.000 We all operate at a certain level.

01:04:09.000 It's just.

01:04:11.000 You really can't do much. 0.66

01:04:12.000 That's the jarring part is that you're pretty much screwed at that point.

01:04:24.000 Yeah, in that moment, I was just like, this is unreal. 0.56

01:04:27.000 I stopped even trying.

01:04:28.000 I said, you know what?

01:04:30.000 Forget it because we got to stay safe.

01:04:33.000 The easiest way to stick to the program is the weather is always a hit.

01:04:41.000 Right.

01:04:43.000 Or, what else?

01:04:44.000 Sports, obviously, but you have to watch them to know.

01:04:48.000 I guess you could just bring up LeBron.

01:04:50.000 Everyone likes LeBron, it seems.

01:04:51.000 Just talk about LeBron.

01:04:53.000 You could, I don't know, talk about cars.

01:04:58.000 I don't know.

01:04:59.000 That's really it.

01:05:00.000 The weather is a guaranteed.

01:05:04.000 If there was a meter in front of you for likelihood to impress them, that would be it.

01:05:10.000 Oh, it's hot out today.

01:05:12.000 Yeah.

01:05:13.000 Yeah, it's real scorcher out.

01:05:16.000 And that's it.

01:05:16.000 You won.

01:05:17.000 You're like a cool guy in their eyes for the next day until you see them.

01:05:22.000 That's so true.

01:05:23.000 And I find myself employing that all the time.

01:05:27.000 The weather is the go to because that's the most vapid thing, the most uncontroversial, inoffensive.

01:05:34.000 Wow, beautiful day out, huh?

01:05:36.000 You know, that's always the go to.

01:05:38.000 Is, man, wow, it's been real bad weather this week, huh?

01:05:42.000 You're so right about that.

01:05:43.000 It's the greatest hit.

01:05:45.000 I think there'll come a day when even that becomes offensive.

01:05:48.000 I don't know.

01:05:49.000 We'll have to evolve with the NPC AI or whatever it's called.

01:05:58.000 What does AI stand for?

01:05:59.000 I forget.

01:06:00.000 Artificial intelligence.

01:06:02.000 We'll have to adapt as we go along.

01:06:03.000 Yeah, you're right.

01:06:05.000 Like I said, I don't know.

01:06:08.000 It's not even like you have to be that much smarter.

01:06:10.000 It's not even that much about being smarter than them.

01:06:13.000 It's just they could hold a conversation if they ventured off the beaten path about anything, about a different book or something outside of mainstream news or anything.

01:06:30.000 It's really not like you have to be, you know.

01:06:33.000 Big brain to put up a decent conversation.

01:06:38.000 Well, and that's why I'm really tending more towards like an authoritarian tendency in my politics because I think about if we're ever going to get society on a different track, if we're ever going to move people en masse, literally the only way to do that is some form of coercion, some form of like ridicule or something like that.

01:06:38.000 Right.

01:06:59.000 Because you think about people and their diehard beliefs, and the only reason they hold the beliefs effectively is because they fear social ostracization.

01:07:08.000 Or they fear ridicule.

01:07:09.000 You know, they would never be caught dead denying evolution or denying global warming.

01:07:13.000 Why?

01:07:14.000 Well, it's not because they looked at the science for five seconds.

01:07:16.000 It's because, well, they make fun of these people on television because, oh, look, everyone's laughing at that person.

01:07:22.000 I don't want to be that person.

01:07:23.000 And so, in that way, I've almost surpassed, we've almost gotten past that idea of sitting down and convincing people if we just show them the facts, if we just really reason with them, you know, forget all that.

01:07:36.000 That's why I even look at somebody like a Patrick Little, whereas mentally ill as he is, The presupposition in his head is I can go out and convince people.

01:07:43.000 If I just show them that the truth is out, if I just look at what's happening to your country, they'll just turn around.

01:07:49.000 It's not that simple. 0.98

01:07:50.000 So, he's like an NPC in his own way who kind of just went a little bit outside in the wrong direction or whatever you would call it and just fucking blew it. 0.80

01:08:05.000 The guy, I watched the sweat with you and him and then the other one with. 0.94

01:08:11.000 I think it was Ralph Retort or whatever.

01:08:13.000 Yeah, right, right. 0.98

01:08:15.000 You guys bullied the shit out of the guy.

01:08:18.000 You would think he would fix up his act and come back to that next Ralph stream with a little bit better content or like a better demeanor or maybe anything, any sign of improvement.

01:08:32.000 And he was, him and what's his name, Paul, were the same exact people that got bullied relentlessly.

01:08:39.000 I don't know if you can call it admirable, but. 1.00

01:08:42.000 It's definitely retarded. 1.00

01:08:44.000 I don't know what his endgame is, but he is an NPC in his own way. 1.00

01:08:50.000 He's a broken NPC.

01:08:51.000 People are going to find out.

01:08:52.000 I don't know on what timeline. 1.00

01:08:54.000 He's the JQ version of that.

01:08:58.000 Conductor, we have a problem. 1.00

01:09:01.000 Conductor, we have Jews running the country. 1.00

01:09:05.000 Just give it rest. 1.00

01:09:07.000 I wanted to post something.

01:09:09.000 It reminds me.

01:09:10.000 I think I maybe lost it in my drafts on my other account, but.

01:09:15.000 I was going to tweet something at him, or gab it at him, I can't remember.

01:09:22.000 It's like being in a prison cell and you're standing in your prison cell looking at the guards and saying, hey, everyone, the guards are the ones keeping us in here. 1.00

01:09:35.000 Fuck them, the guards suck. 1.00

01:09:38.000 It's just like, you're not going to get anywhere doing that. 1.00

01:09:45.000 The arguments have been made and.

01:09:48.000 You know, you can go out and do your own research.

01:09:51.000 It doesn't mean you have to stand there in your cage screaming, hey, everyone, just tirelessly.

01:09:58.000 I don't know what level, what mindset he's on.

01:10:01.000 That cracks me up.

01:10:02.000 The conductor, we have a problem because it's so accurate.

01:10:07.000 He really reminds me of that guy so, so accurate.

01:10:11.000 That kills me.

01:10:12.000 Because it's so true. 0.99

01:10:14.000 I mean, it's just this, like, autistic, and so true because the reaction is the same. 0.94

01:10:22.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:10:22.000 Just blank stares. 0.99

01:10:24.000 And for good reason, too.

01:10:25.000 Nobody wants to hear that.

01:10:27.000 I mean, he frames it as, like, yeah, well, no one wants to accept the harsh truth.

01:10:33.000 I was in Afghanistan about.

01:10:36.000 It doesn't matter.

01:10:39.000 I think speaking of that, he talks about this how you normies remain normies no matter how much you feed them.

01:10:50.000 They are this percentage of the population, but they own this. 0.99

01:10:54.000 No one gives a shit. 1.00

01:10:55.000 They don't fucking care. 1.00

01:10:57.000 It comes off as a. 1.00

01:11:00.000 I don't know if it comes off probably like an actual Nazi is standing in front of them.

01:11:06.000 You might as well be wearing.

01:11:08.000 A Hitler costume or an SS costume.

01:11:11.000 Just skip to the cut to the chase and do that because you're not winning anyone over, anyways. 0.74

01:11:17.000 Exactly.

01:11:18.000 And that's so true about the nature of normies in the sense that if people wanted to know the truth, if people were wondering these things, all the information's out there.

01:11:31.000 All the same books, all the same information that we found is readily available to anybody who is interested in what's really going on.

01:11:39.000 But that's just it. 0.99

01:11:40.000 Like you said, nobody gives a shit. 0.99

01:11:42.000 And even if you told them, even if you rubbed it in their face and smashed them over the head with it, they still wouldn't get it because people care about television. 0.99

01:11:50.000 People care about their job.

01:11:52.000 People care about getting drunk on Friday.

01:11:55.000 And that's not going to change by and large.

01:11:58.000 There's an IQ difference, but there's also, I think, just a fundamental difference in the level of, I don't know, awareness or conscience or whatever it is.

01:12:07.000 Self awareness and whatever.

01:12:09.000 I think he might be like Asperger's or something.

01:12:13.000 I'm not going to diagnose the guy.

01:12:13.000 I don't know.

01:12:15.000 He's mentally ill. 1.00

01:12:16.000 I mean, I know that to be a fact. 0.99

01:12:18.000 And people are going to find out very soon.

01:12:20.000 Well, I don't know.

01:12:21.000 We'll have a meltdown.

01:12:22.000 I know that for a fact.

01:12:24.000 Didn't he get beat up the other day?

01:12:25.000 I think this is the start of his downfall.

01:12:29.000 I remember I saw in that video, he looked pretty shaken up.

01:12:32.000 I mean, the guy, he challenged you to a boxing match.

01:12:37.000 He gets attacked by two or three of the Antifa guys who really aren't that big.

01:12:44.000 And he's like this.

01:12:46.000 Like, he's got shell shock from that.

01:12:48.000 Like,.

01:12:49.000 I don't know what he thinks he's getting himself into, but it's going to get infinitely worse for the guy.

01:12:54.000 And he's going to have a, I mean, he's already mentally broken down, but he's going to have a mental breakdown at some point.

01:13:00.000 He's just going to keep getting attacked or something.

01:13:04.000 I don't know.

01:13:04.000 He already had one.

01:13:05.000 He already had a mental breakdown.

01:13:07.000 And nobody knows this.

01:13:09.000 He's keeping it a big secret. 1.00

01:13:11.000 And this is not based on any outside information, but the man is mentally ill. 0.98

01:13:16.000 And there were periods in his life where he had difficulty, I'm sure of it, where he had difficulty. 0.92

01:13:20.000 And all these people, because I take all the heat for it naturally on the weekly sweat or on the Ralph Rattore.

01:13:26.000 People say, oh, it's Spick Fuentes, you know, ruining the movement again, that kind of thing. 1.00

01:13:30.000 They're all going to look so dumb. 1.00

01:13:33.000 They're all going to look so stupid when it comes out. 1.00

01:13:36.000 What is the matter with him? 1.00

01:13:37.000 I can't wait.

01:13:38.000 It'll be delicious because there will be a breakdown.

01:13:41.000 I know it for a fact. 0.78

01:13:43.000 And when everything comes out, when all the cards that I've seen are played, people are going to feel so dumb and it's going to be a great day. 0.74

01:13:52.000 I'm waiting for it.

01:13:53.000 I mean, him and Paul are just.

01:13:57.000 Going back to normies briefly, when normies look at right wing politics, they see those guys and group them in with us automatically.

01:14:06.000 That's the worst of looks. 0.99

01:14:08.000 Nobody wants to be associated with those fucking absolute spurs. 1.00

01:14:16.000 Nobody wants to be associated with them, and we don't want to be associated with them. 1.00

01:14:20.000 It's just there's nothing good that can come of this.

01:14:23.000 They need to. 0.91

01:14:25.000 I mean, he needs to have his mental breakdown.

01:14:27.000 And Paul, I don't know what his story is. 1.00

01:14:29.000 I don't give a shit about him. 0.98

01:14:32.000 They're both really irrelevant outside of that. 0.98

01:14:37.000 What is it?

01:14:37.000 Like 2% that he got in California or whatever.

01:14:42.000 And his small circle of people, if they're even real, if he's not a federal informant, he really doesn't have much outside that.

01:14:51.000 Yeah, no.

01:14:52.000 Well, none of them do.

01:14:54.000 And Paul, I don't know about.

01:14:55.000 I don't know enough to speak about him.

01:14:57.000 Yeah.

01:14:58.000 But he, I'd assume he's on the same.

01:15:01.000 He's on par with Patrick.

01:15:02.000 I'm sure you know more than I do.

01:15:04.000 Well, I mean, he's one that just threw it all away.

01:15:04.000 Oh, yeah.

01:15:06.000 He threw it all away.

01:15:07.000 He had a. 0.96

01:15:08.000 Is that picture of him with the Hitler mustache real?

01:15:11.000 Did he actually post that? 0.54

01:15:12.000 Yep.

01:15:13.000 No, he's definitely on.

01:15:13.000 Yeah.

01:15:15.000 That's honestly past Pat Little. 1.00

01:15:19.000 That's a visual burned into your retinas representation of these people are fucking crazy. 1.00

01:15:25.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:15:26.000 Well, and look, there's all the difference in the world between.

01:15:31.000 Talking about the issues with tact and strategically and with some kind of approach in mind that is well thought out and thoroughly considered. 1.00

01:15:45.000 And just being an autistic, painting a target on your back and saying, Look at me, I'm the buffoon, I'm the clown, look at me. 0.99

01:15:54.000 And I think that's the difference because people who watch this show know what's up. 0.94

01:15:59.000 It's not like me and you don't know what's going on, it's not like the people who watch this show don't know what's going on.

01:16:04.000 But the difference is we are working towards a viable solution to the problem.

01:16:10.000 Whereas some people want to LARP either for Twitter likes or Gab upvotes or for their ego or for whatever.

01:16:16.000 And that's the mentality that's going to get us places.

01:16:19.000 We can no longer be beholden to a small group of low IQ people who just want to live vicariously through a live streamer online.

01:16:29.000 Yeah.

01:16:31.000 No, they're at what I would call like.

01:16:35.000 Just started browsing 4chan or poll level.

01:16:39.000 They need to be cast out.

01:16:41.000 I mean, they have essentially been cast out, but the little recognition or the little attention they do still get is still obnoxious.

01:16:52.000 It's just get it over with already. 0.96

01:16:56.000 Come out as a Fed, have your mental breakdown.

01:16:57.000 I don't know what it is, but it's just dragging us down. 1.00

01:17:00.000 No one gives a shit about any of that. 0.96

01:17:03.000 It's literally just have gotten on polls and you get off all giddy like, oh, look at all the stuff I know. 0.98

01:17:09.000 Like, we've all been there.

01:17:11.000 It's just that they're doing it at 28, and like, Paul's probably like 40.

01:17:16.000 Like, Jesus Christ.

01:17:19.000 Well, and it's all surface level, too.

01:17:20.000 You know, I watched Paul Nealand debate John Cardillo, and anybody can look this up.

01:17:24.000 He doesn't know the first thing that he's talking about.

01:17:26.000 All these people do is they repackage memes and things they saw on the internet and pass it off as though that's an argument.

01:17:35.000 And look, there's memes are very useful because they take a very Complex message, and they simplify it in a way that people can understand, and that's the utility of it.

01:17:44.000 But if you're going to go out there and be a politician or a pundit or whatever it is, you have to have an understanding of the issues.

01:17:50.000 And you could tell so quickly that these people don't know what the hell they're talking about.

01:17:56.000 Paul Nealon was asked to explain how Judaism is an ethnicity as well as a religion.

01:18:01.000 And he was stumbling, stammering, couldn't come up with the first evidence, the first argument.

01:18:07.000 There was no force of logic behind it.

01:18:10.000 And it just goes to show that these people literally see something online and then they say, I'm going to shut down my whole life, I'm going to ruin my life.

01:18:17.000 And give myself to something I saw online 10 minutes ago.

01:18:20.000 That's not a person you're going to follow into battle.

01:18:22.000 That's not a person who's got it all together upstairs.

01:18:26.000 And anyway, you talk to anybody who's been in this movement for three or four years, they've really thought about it.

01:18:32.000 Even people like Spencer, who, you know, and I've got nothing personally against the guy.

01:18:37.000 He's very smart, very well read, and he understands the issues in a way that is nuanced, in a way that is based on a lot of thought and reading and care.

01:18:47.000 In a way that these doofuses do not.

01:18:49.000 And these people are not the ones who are going to red pill the masses, lead the country to a new awakening.

01:18:54.000 It's not going to happen that way.

01:18:57.000 I honestly believe one of them, if not both of them, is a federal agent.

01:19:03.000 It has to be so because I refuse to believe guys that older on that level of arguing about JQ and whatever else.

01:19:15.000 It has to be feds.

01:19:17.000 I can't believe it.

01:19:21.000 Yeah.

01:19:22.000 Well, I'm with you on that one, at least for Paul Nealon.

01:19:26.000 With Patrick Little, crazy.

01:19:28.000 With Nealon, definitely a fed.

01:19:32.000 But I mean, there it is. 0.97

01:19:34.000 That's the Bronze Age mindset. 1.00

01:19:35.000 That's the ANPRA mindset. 1.00

01:19:37.000 Forget all that garbage. 0.94

01:19:38.000 Focus on being prepared for the next level, being an asset and not a liability. 0.65

01:19:46.000 Stop watching live stream.

01:19:47.000 Well, keep watching this live stream, but stop posting on Gab all the friggin' flags and goofy stuff.

01:19:54.000 Get to the gym, read your books, go to church, prepare yourself for a life outdoors, and that's what it takes.

01:20:02.000 And I think we'll, I don't want to take up too much more of your time.

01:20:05.000 We're an hour and a half in.

01:20:07.000 The last thing I want to cover before we go is the Papa John campaign.

01:20:11.000 You were kind enough to design the flyer for it, the official flyer.

01:20:16.000 I don't think people know that, but you are the brilliant mind behind this.

01:20:20.000 We're trying to put Papa back in power.

01:20:23.000 He did literally nothing wrong.

01:20:26.000 Nothing wrong.

01:20:27.000 And there's movement on it.

01:20:27.000 He's suing Papa Johns.

01:20:29.000 So there's a possibility here.

01:20:31.000 We're spreading it around.

01:20:32.000 I'm going to be out either tonight or tomorrow night posting this all over Chicago.

01:20:37.000 And it's hashtag bringbackpapa.

01:20:39.000 If you can't post these around town, which you should, at least post the hashtag.

01:20:43.000 We're going to get it going.

01:20:44.000 We're going to get people talking about it.

01:20:45.000 And we're going to bring backpapa.

01:20:47.000 And it's a civil rights issue of our time, really.

01:20:50.000 Right?

01:20:50.000 It is.

01:20:51.000 It's absolutely the most important issue in the past couple months.

01:20:56.000 We have to.

01:20:56.000 Focus our energy on this.

01:20:58.000 It's a big win if we get this.

01:21:00.000 Absolutely.

01:21:00.000 Well, because if Papa John can do it, anyone can do it.

01:21:03.000 If he can survive this.

01:21:04.000 Sets a president.

01:21:06.000 We need this.

01:21:07.000 It's like, I don't mean to blaspheme, but it's effectively the same thing.

01:21:12.000 Him dying and coming back to life.

01:21:16.000 It's not about John.

01:21:17.000 It's not about the pizza.

01:21:18.000 People are like, well, I don't really like his pizza.

01:21:20.000 I'm boycotting it because I don't like it. 1.00

01:21:22.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:21:23.000 That's not the point. 1.00

01:21:24.000 It's to demonstrate that if he.

01:21:27.000 Could go into hell for three days and come back despite what he said.

01:21:33.000 Anyone can do it.

01:21:34.000 We can win.

01:21:35.000 It's about the message here.

01:21:36.000 No one cares about the pizza.

01:21:37.000 The pizza, it's not the best, but we need this guy.

01:21:41.000 We need him to come back so we can have this win, this W for us finally.

01:21:46.000 We need it.

01:21:47.000 We do.

01:21:47.000 That's right.

01:21:48.000 It's time.

01:21:51.000 But we'll leave it at that.

01:21:53.000 Thank you so much for coming on and joining us. 1.00

01:21:56.000 And thanks to Bronze Age Pervert for sending us the messages. 0.99

01:21:59.000 It's been a great conversation. 1.00

01:22:00.000 Fun having you on.

01:22:02.000 And keep up the good work, big guy.

01:22:04.000 Everybody loves your Twitter.

01:22:06.000 It's probably the best new account of 2018.

01:22:06.000 I love your Twitter.

01:22:11.000 We'd love to have you back.

01:22:11.000 So keep it up, big guy.

01:22:12.000 All right.

01:22:13.000 Sounds good.

01:22:14.000 All right, well, take it easy.

01:22:16.000 Have a good one.

01:22:17.000 You too, King.

01:22:18.000 All right, bye-bye.

01:22:23.000 Is it good?

01:22:25.000 Well, no, I'm not going off the air.

01:22:27.000 I'm just trying to edit it so that the screen goes off.

01:22:31.000 Hold on, I'm trying to pull up Skype.

01:22:33.000 Me too.

01:22:35.000 All right, take it easy.

01:22:36.000 All right, sorry about that terrible exit.

01:22:39.000 I'm now leaving.

01:22:40.000 No problem.

01:22:41.000 All right, take it easy.

01:22:41.000 It's all good.

01:22:42.000 See you guys.

01:22:43.000 Bye-bye.

01:22:43.000 Well, there you have it, folks.

01:22:45.000 The great Mike Ma.

01:22:48.000 Great show.

01:22:49.000 Great conversation with our pal.

01:22:52.000 And I hope everybody enjoyed that.

01:22:55.000 It's more of a casual scenario.

01:22:57.000 It's a Friday show, so we like to experiment a little bit.

01:23:01.000 And it's been a fun week.

01:23:02.000 We had on Medicare Wednesday, we had Ali yesterday, Mike Ma today.

01:23:06.000 So it's a very nice assortment, a buffet of different flavors, styles, tastes, movements, and all the rest.

01:23:14.000 So it's been fun.

01:23:16.000 I've enjoyed it tremendously.

01:23:17.000 And it's funny, too, because I have on all kinds of guests.

01:23:20.000 And people still call me Bridge Burner, right?

01:23:23.000 And that's how it is, right?

01:23:24.000 You build up a million bridges, but you burn one bridge, Bridge Burner.

01:23:29.000 If you go back the past four or five weeks, many, many friends.

01:23:29.000 Many friends.

01:23:33.000 And next week, we'll actually be having a guest on already.

01:23:36.000 We've got one planned out.

01:23:37.000 I believe it's next week.

01:23:38.000 We got on Monday, True Dill Tom will be coming on.

01:23:41.000 Sunday, I got a debate with Adam Kokia.

01:23:43.000 It should be very easy because the guy's a total low libertarian.

01:23:47.000 I've been studying immensely.

01:23:50.000 And so we'll see how that goes.

01:23:51.000 But it's been a fun show.

01:23:53.000 I'll.

01:23:54.000 Should I take some of your stream labs?

01:23:56.000 I think I'll have to take them on Monday.

01:23:58.000 It's been an hour and a half.

01:24:00.000 I haven't eaten anything in like 20 hours.

01:24:04.000 So I'm going to have to get some red meat in me.

01:24:07.000 So that's going to be our show for tonight.

01:24:09.000 Remember, we got to keep the flyer going around.

01:24:11.000 Post it on Twitter, post the hashtag.

01:24:14.000 And if you want to go really above and beyond, post it around your town.

01:24:17.000 I'll retweet it.

01:24:18.000 You can do it at night, you can do it in the morning, but post it around.

01:24:21.000 We need to get people seeing this so that there's reporting on it, there's coverage.

01:24:25.000 And John knows.

01:24:27.000 That there's people behind this.

01:24:28.000 We want to see him succeed.

01:24:29.000 So get it around.

01:24:30.000 But that's going to do it for us on our show tonight.

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01:26:44.000 Thank you guys for watching.

01:26:45.000 Thank you to Mike Ma for joining us. 1.00

01:26:47.000 Thank you to the Bronze Age Pervert for lending us his wisdom, his answers, and Mike Ma for channeling him. 1.00

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01:27:26.000 It's going to be only America first.

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America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - July 27, 2018

The Bronze Age Mindset feat. Mike Ma | America First Ep. 209

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