00:01:56.000And so I just want to get it out of the way here, and then we could get into some things that are going on with you.
00:02:01.000But originally, the reason I wanted to have you on, I think I invited you at one point or something, or people had mentioned you coming on the show, and you said, I don't really do live streams or something like that.
00:02:12.000But then I reached out to the Bronze Age Pervert.
00:02:14.000Because his new book came out, and I have it here with me, just as proof that I'm not, you know, I did read it.
00:02:20.000His new book came out, The Bronze Age Mindset, and I invited him on.
00:02:24.000I said, You want to talk about the book?
00:02:39.000And so here you are, and so we're going to talk to you.
00:02:42.000You're going to try and channel this communique.
00:02:45.000This transmission from the Bronze Age pervert about the book, right?
00:02:49.000Yeah, I've got a scroll here in front of me, hand delivered by the United States Postal Service, carved into stone, his word from himself, and I will do my best to relay it as he would like it done.
00:03:43.000I answer this question several times in the book, and especially in the section about pirates and conquistadors.
00:03:49.000Who I believe embody this ancient spirit in our own time.
00:03:53.000It's exhibited in the Heraclitus quote I put there The best seek one thing above all, ever flowing fame among mortals, but the many glut themselves like livestock.
00:04:06.000It's the spirit of Achilles, Odysseus, Diomedes, Ajax, the heroes of the Iliad and the Odyssey.
00:04:15.000I think it's the distinctly Western spirit that animated men like Alexander and Caesar, who inspired each other through great feats across time.
00:04:26.000It's the spirit that the Indo Europeans brought to Europe during the Bronze Age and after.
00:05:45.000I think the Bronze Age pervert is correct.
00:05:49.000I think people have called this different things, and I think it's had different expressions in the current year, but this sort of hearkening back to more primitive, more primordial impulses.
00:06:01.000And kind of the more bestial mentality of man, which is lost in the modern world.
00:06:08.000And I know you're definitely into that.
00:06:09.000I know you're an Ann Prim now, you're a pine tree person.
00:06:32.000In my opinion, what I got from the book, and most other people will, it's about fighting against a world that just doesn't want you to be a man through what they put in our food and water, the laws that follow us everywhere we go.
00:06:48.000It's a struggle, but only the powerful will break through.
00:06:53.000Well, yeah, and I was reading this article today in the New York Times, actually, about the declining fertility of men, which I had scared.
00:07:03.000The hell out of me because I'm reading it and it says there's like a 59% decline in fertility for men over the course of just the last generation.
00:07:11.000And they say it's because of, well, things in the water, it's because of things in the food, it's things like tight pants or whatever.
00:07:19.000And that kind of stuff is just, I think it really tells you that message that we're not allowed to be men.
00:07:25.000I mean, we really are at the most biological level restricted from manifesting our true form, from manifesting what it means to be human beings.
00:07:38.000Whoever comes out of it on top is going to be a force to be reckoned with.
00:07:44.000I mean, if you manage to get through, if you break through the, I don't know what you call it, like a glass ceiling that we have and come out on top, I think the big guys upstairs, the Rothschilds, whoever, would be terrified of whoever could pull that off.
00:08:01.000So I guess it's a feat to, it's something to look forward to or to aspire to, I guess.
00:08:11.000I think it's more of an ideal, something to strive for.
00:08:14.000And I guess that would lead to another question I have, which is what would be, and this is directed towards the Bronze Age pervert, what would be your best advice to young men today?
00:08:42.000I say, never lose heart or Faith in your own strength.
00:08:45.000This is in the Iliad when Homer describes one of the warriors about to make an attack.
00:08:52.000Like to lunge a spear at an enemy, he often has a phrase like, quote, trusting in the strength of his heavy arm, or sometimes they also mutter a prayer to one of the gods as they thrust.
00:10:30.000But when you think about young people that are growing up, and this is part of the advice that I give, and I think many people see the same thing, whether they're younger or older, that young men have to develop their faculties, have to develop their skills, their resources, their network, because I see so many of my peers, I see so many millennials and Even people like that are Generation X that have nothing, no resources, no skills.
00:10:58.000These people are, I think they really give credence to the idea of the bug man.
00:11:02.000I mean, these people are just cogs in the machine that could not exist independent of the rest of society or independent of whatever job they have in like insurance or accounting.
00:11:13.000You know, I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but I think you know what I'm getting at.
00:11:16.000And so I'm a big believer in that as well, in the self improvement.
00:11:20.000Yeah, it's not hard to, I mean, not like I'm some like.
00:11:26.000Self improvement expert, but I mean, it's not hard to break out of the norm of eating processed foods and not working out and not sleeping well and blah, blah.
00:11:38.000Like, it's not hard to do those things, but the second that you do start doing them, you are, I don't know, what do you, like the 99th percentile compared to the rest of the population?
00:11:57.000You'd probably be like in like under 5% of people, like a small niche of people who would care about their life that much and what direction they go in.
00:12:08.000So, and I don't see any reason not to at this point, especially now.
00:12:37.000Just about any scenario you imagine outside of a few specialized scenarios, like if you go to a weightlifting competition or something.
00:12:44.000But in 90% of the situations that you walk into, 90% of the rooms or scenarios, if you just take care of those basic things and are on top of it, you're immediately probably one of the most well put together people in the room.
00:12:58.000And I think that's a very encouraging thing because people can get intimidated by.
00:13:02.000Thinking about all the different areas that you have to clean up or think about or plan for.
00:13:07.000But if you just do it, if you just commit to doing it and persevere, it's very simple.
00:13:15.000I mean, aside from like, you know, like people who will be bug type humans forever or whatever you would call the undermensch or whatever, aside from them, I would think most people want to be stronger and More dominant.
00:13:36.000It's pretty much ingrained in us at this point to not even try to build towards that.
00:13:44.000You probably have a lot of regret when you die.
00:13:48.000That's like one of your main concerns, I'd say, on top of dying young and weak and fat because you didn't care about anything that would take maybe a couple hours out of your day at most.
00:15:19.000Well, yeah, it really does stun me as well because anytime you see him, high energy, sleeps four hours a night, four hours a night, 73 years old.
00:15:28.000He's more energetic and enthusiastic than most people our age.
00:15:57.000And let's see, we'll get into a couple more of these questions.
00:15:59.000One of the big things that I thought while I was reading it, and this is the style that BAP has on his Twitter, and I guess it's reflected in the book as well.
00:16:09.000It kind of is like a primitive language that's used.
00:16:13.000There's not a lot of articles, incomplete sentences.
00:16:16.000And by incomplete, I don't mean there's not a meaning in them, but just not all the correct grammar and verbiage.
00:16:22.000And so, what I was wondering reading this to BAP is, Why did he make the stylistic choices that he did in writing the book?
00:17:30.000I think it's an interesting stylistic choice.
00:17:32.000It takes a couple of pages to get used to, but I pretty much enjoyed it.
00:17:37.000I enjoyed the sense of humor in the book.
00:17:39.000And I think there's something to be said about the medium of Twitter.com, which informs the book, which informs, I think, a lot of our mentality.
00:17:49.000Because I'm obviously on Twitter all the time.
00:17:59.000You know, we read about media and that kind of thing.
00:18:01.000And I think that you can't really divorce the substance of.
00:18:04.000Our message and the physiognomy of our ideology and our thoughts and our vision of the world, with I think the medium of how these thoughts are expressed, which is in very short blurbs, very much how this book is written, in very short, staccato bursts of very visceral, loaded language.
00:18:22.000I mean, do you think there's something to that?
00:18:23.000Do you find that the medium of Twitter and of social media more generally is affecting the way that we think and how we formulate ideas?
00:19:24.000It's just, and it definitely was not intentional because there's no reason for me to write that way.
00:19:31.000And I'm convinced that Twitter, especially now with the, what is it, 280 characters that they upped it to, it gave us a little more freedom and it kind of like, You could see it happen like I just said in the book.
00:19:51.000It'll be about the same amount of text, like 280 characters, and then I kind of just die off, or I'll do it again down the page, but in another 280 characters.
00:20:02.000So I don't know if other people have that problem.
00:20:06.000I think it's a little weird how it seeps into your mind like that.
00:20:10.000Yeah, I'm not really sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing, because on the one hand, I think a lot of more classically minded people would say, It's the death of language, and they bemoan every evolution in how we use language.
00:20:24.000And I understand that it's pretty obvious what people might say are the downsides.
00:20:29.000And, you know, we hear the boomers complaining.
00:20:31.000And, you know, by the way, boomers all the time talk about this kind of stuff.
00:20:35.000They say, Oh, remember what a letter used to be like?
00:20:38.000Remember when you had to write in school?
00:20:40.000And it's like boomers oversaw the complete destruction of classical education.
00:20:45.000The kind of thinking that went on before the boomers and after the boomers, they have nobody to blame but themselves.
00:21:05.000But anyway, I think the positives of it are that you have to take away everything that is unnecessary.
00:21:12.000And you really have to refine it down in the substance and also the form of how to convey your ideas in such a small, short little message.
00:21:31.000I think there's something that could be said about that.
00:21:33.000I find the same thing when I write as well, because I try, I sit down and try to write long form, and I can only come up with, like you said, those short, staccato, little bursts of inspiration or rhetoric or whatever, and then it's lost.
00:22:01.000I imagine if someone were to read it, they would be more likely to keep reading more pages of whatever you wrote because it's kind of like they're scrolling through Twitter.
00:22:13.000It's just short bursts of everything right there, right in your face, like how our generation prefers it.
00:22:21.000It's all the action summed up, cut out all the bullshit, and then there's more of it to follow in the same format.
00:22:29.000But I guess on the other hand, It's, um, you never know if something was necessary to cut out.
00:22:39.000You're not always the one to decide if you should have cut something out.
00:22:43.000Like maybe something was necessary, you didn't know it.
00:22:45.000Maybe to have it in long form adds to the style of writing or what you're writing about.
00:23:00.000And, and, Also, a problem is the ambiguity.
00:23:03.000I can't tell you how many times I'll tweet something out and get a terrible response because people will say, Oh, well, I thought it was this way or I interpreted it this way.
00:23:30.000They could be reading it not angry, and then it affects how they perceive it, and then they take it out on you.
00:23:37.000I mean, they really shouldn't take it out on you if they're not certain about what it means, but it does definitely cause that problem.
00:23:44.000Yeah, it's not fun because the NPCs, the low IQ, black pillars, pagans, you name it, they all, you know, it is what it is.
00:23:52.000But we got a couple more questions here.
00:23:55.000I don't know if we're going to get to all these, but one of the big ones that I was wondering, particularly for BAP, because it's kind of interesting, because on the one hand, you know, somebody could talk like BAP and you might call them a LARPer.
00:24:09.000And I'm not saying that's the case with BAP.
00:24:11.000I'm saying you hear a lot of posers on Twitter.
00:24:14.000Talk about things like Nietzsche and these big ideas.
00:24:17.000And I don't think that's BAP because I think BAP understands the ideas.
00:24:21.000I think they're applied in a way that is pragmatic, in a way that is logical, and not just for effect, not just for aesthetic.
00:24:28.000So I don't, well, and not to say that aesthetic is not a good thing, but maybe for show is a better word.
00:24:34.000But by the same token, while there is this very, I think, ambitious ideas, ambitious mentality, by the same token, there is a pragmatism in the book where.
00:24:45.000For many of the chapters, we're talking about, well, we have to expand into unowned spaces and we need to be like Ajax and Odysseus and great heroes of the past.
00:24:54.000But towards the end, when he gives the more practical advice, he talks about, well, for you, you shouldn't be going to these dumb rallies.
00:25:01.000You shouldn't be throwing around Roman salutes and that kind of thing.
00:25:21.000All this naysaying, all this doomsday talk.
00:25:23.000And so the question to BAP would be what does he have to say to all the black pillars, all the people who are saying, well, it's either all or nothing, either it's outside the system, it's acceleration or revolution, or just forget about it, accept defeat, accept demise?
00:25:38.000I mean, what is the message for those people?
00:25:41.000He, he, BAP says, quote, to the black pillars, I say, Things were a lot worse in the past at times than they are now.
00:25:54.000The nations are indeed facing an unprecedented assault with the migrant crisis, but there are hundreds of millions of Native Americans and Europeans around that will resist.
00:26:03.000Our enemies are stupid and weak and overplay their hand.
00:26:07.000With the example of Trump and of the European nationalists now rising, there is no reason to blackmail.
00:26:14.000You could take what they did as an example and inspiration.
00:26:17.000I also give hints for advice for various paths possible to pursue in the last part of the book.
00:26:23.000Suited for different kinds of character.
00:26:25.000Even in, say, the worst case scenario where natives are reduced to a minority in their own countries, there's no reason to despair, as the situation can be corrected.
00:26:56.000I remember 2016 during the election when we were having a lot of fun on Twitter and elsewhere, trolling the hell out of these people, but also fighting for our side.
00:27:05.000I wanted to bring back some of that spirit of 2016 in the book, when you can enjoy yourself, be a prankster, but also work for the right political goals.
00:27:14.000This is especially possible today because the establishment and our enemies are so humorless and constipated and afraid.
00:30:06.000And I was watching the weekly slut, and I poured myself just a little sample in this mug, and it doesn't even taste good because I eat horrible stuff because.
00:30:48.000They put so much, I guess it's the sucralose.
00:30:50.000They put so much of it in it for no reason.
00:30:54.000It doesn't need to be that sweet that it kind of just, after not drinking them for a while, it tastes like you are drinking straight up, like Jolly Rancher's, like you said, or like some other candy.
00:32:09.000But no, I think the question we were on before we got to the sips, because I had that little coughing fit, about the black pillars is so true in terms of there is a very big difference, I think, between somebody who black pills occasionally, which I think we all do.
00:32:26.000I think we all, the nature of what we're fighting.
00:32:31.000But there is, on the other hand, these people who are addicted to being miserable, people who are addicted to this feeling of, I'm sad and nobody's going to tell me otherwise.
00:34:38.000Whoever comes after us is basically fucked at this point, unless we, I mean, I'm starting to sound like black, unless we actually start doing something.
00:34:48.000Well, yeah, and that's really what it comes down to is that should serve as motivation rather than, and that's the fine balance that we have to strike between getting an understanding of our enemy and that motivates us.
00:35:01.000That's an incentive to work towards things which we might think are impossible or very difficult or exact a tremendous toll versus really having it crush the soul, being so burdensome that it's paralyzing.
00:35:15.000And I think that's the balance we have to find as a movement.
00:35:18.000And that's why you need people that are.
00:35:21.000Optimists, you know, people say, Nick, you're too optimistic, or you think it's going to work out so perfectly.
00:35:28.000It's all just about, for every 10 black pillars, you need about 100 white pillars that are pushing the message that we should keep fighting.
00:35:38.000Yeah, you got to, I mean, at least fake it till you make it.
00:35:41.000It goes with confidence and it'll work for this, I believe, if we just, you don't even have to fake it.
00:35:47.000Just convince yourself that if you keep fighting, Something good will come of it, I guess.
00:36:00.000Well, and so we'll take one more question here for BAP, and then I want to get into some other things with Michael Ma, because I know people have been dying to hear from you since the Twitter ban.
00:36:10.000So the last question I think we'll look at is just about the book itself, which is have you been surprised with the success of the book, and did that meet or exceed your expectations?
00:37:38.000Well, it's very encouraging, I think, for a lot of people who want to get a message out like that.
00:37:43.000And I think it's also a testament to the fact that we can still get things accomplished.
00:37:51.000Because I see a lot of the institutional problems on my end PayPal, Maker Support, Patreon, Stripe, and Twitter, YouTube, the deplatforming that goes on.
00:38:00.000And it's very encouraging to see that we're still able, I think, to beat the system.
00:38:06.000If somebody like Bapp can get out there and push a book that outsells John McCain and John Clapper, I think that's pretty encouraging to the rest of us.
00:38:45.000And the other day, I was reading a book that I ordered, and I was actually kind of pissed because I ordered it from a half price book in like Texas.
00:38:54.000And it was, they said it's in very good condition.
00:38:56.000It's an old book from like 1960, and it's in very good condition.
00:39:00.000I got it, it was all beaten up and stuff.
00:39:02.000But then I started reading it, and I'm feeling the pages, and there's like a texture to it, and it smells like an old book.
00:39:10.000This is so much better than a faggotty e book, you know, or anything like that.
00:39:15.000If, if, You really believe things are going to get bad, then when they do get bad, you're not going to be able to charge your Kindle or charge your iPhone to read on iBooks or whatever it's called.
00:39:26.000You got to hunker down in your nuclear shelter, your fallout shelter, with some hard copy books.
00:41:33.000And just give us the gestalt of the pine tree mentality.
00:41:40.000Well, first, you said, how long have I been into this?
00:41:43.000I've read, I mean, all my life I've been a nature person.
00:41:48.000I think most guys like us or in our inner circle, whatever you call it, are naturally attracted to the outdoors, the guns, to.
00:41:59.000Being able to survive if everything shit the bed one day, you would be able to survive on your own.
00:42:07.000It's the sort of thing guys like us and whoever else, all the Pine Tree guys, are naturally drawn to.
00:42:14.000So, in terms of that sort of lifestyle, it's just like a natural affinity, I guess.
00:42:25.000But for Unabomber stuff and all that other stuff, I think I read the manifesto back like a year or two ago, and ever since just been rereading it because there's other versions that he recommends himself from prison, or there's prison letters, or there's updates or letters from his lawyer or whatever.
00:42:55.000An interesting topic that keeps evolving despite the guy being locked in jail for the rest of his life.
00:43:02.000And I think it just clicked in my head after reading it for the first time that it's a lot more serious than just enjoying nature.
00:43:15.000It's more about protecting it by any means necessary.
00:44:41.000You have to, there's a million things you have to do, and you're essentially changing the life of yourself and whoever else you take with you for a good long while if they decide to stay, and you are changing it very drastically to accept that sort of lifestyle, to just go completely off the grid.
00:45:07.000So, talking to this one guy who claims he has 1,500 acres somewhere in Texas that he would allow us to use for compound purposes, talking to him about that, not getting my hopes up because, you know, everything, someone could be a fed, something could just be bullshit.
00:46:35.000Well, ours will be a little bit different.
00:46:37.000I've often said the America First compound will have brutalist architecture, very imposing, oppressive, concrete, just ugly architecture to scare people away.
00:46:48.000But on the inside, it would just be like.
00:46:51.000It's kind of ironic because I'm Catholic, obviously, but effectively inside it would just be like the pleasure palace.
00:46:57.000It would be Burger King, McDonald's, Fortnite.
00:47:42.000I mean, I've been thinking very seriously about going off the grid for some time because I'm going to get married in this decade, which I'm not really thrilled about.
00:47:53.000I'm not really thrilled about getting into the woman question.
00:47:57.000And going behind it and be lines like that.
00:48:04.000But I think before I commit myself to that, before I put down roots and start living the trad life, I want to go into the woods and discover.
00:48:15.000We want to get connected with nature, read books and things.
00:48:18.000I think that's what a lot of people want, young people want.
00:48:22.000And so I've always thought, I don't know when it's going to happen.
00:48:24.000At some point when I'm financially set and my investments can appreciate.
00:48:47.000But as we go along, we will flesh out the details and one day we could really have a hidden Appalachian or Texas compound in the middle of nowhere.
00:50:15.000You know, you talk to most people about technology, and outside of just like a very cliched, like Tumblr, we're on our phones too much, we watch too much television, outside of that, people don't really think about just with any kind of sense of proportion or context just how much the human experience has changed so recently and so dramatically because of technology.
00:50:39.000And so I think the more people that are talking about that, the better, because it can't all be good.
00:50:44.000There has to be some consideration, some deliberate intentionality.
00:50:52.000It can't just be this blind progress, blind, constantly striving for God even knows what, right?
00:50:59.000Yeah, no, I think if the people who are in charge now are the ones who continue to develop technology, then things will not fare well for right wing guys or really, I mean, for anyone, but really for right wing young males or males in general.
00:52:10.000There's a million things you could do to fight it.
00:52:16.000I don't think people actually give a shit.
00:52:18.000And then another, on the flip side, or not really, it's a relevant argument, is people.
00:52:25.000We'll look at Pine Tree guys or just guys who've read Ted and talk about him.
00:52:30.000And there's always the arguments like, oh, you like Ted Kaczynski, but you posted this on Twitter.
00:52:37.000It's like, am I just going to go outside and shout the thing I want to tell everyone until someone hears me and then the revolution starts?
00:52:48.000I mean, he talks about it in the book.
00:52:50.000I tried finding it recently, but I didn't want to dedicate that much energy to someone with that argument.
00:54:06.000Those people, the same people, but they can't just devote.
00:54:10.000I mean, the manifestos probably, you don't even have to read that.
00:54:14.000You could skim information online, but the source text itself is 80 pages.
00:54:21.000I fucking suck at reading, and I read it in like half a day or something.
00:54:26.000It's really, if you want to argue with us, whatever you call us, pine tree guys, neo Luddites, whatever, at least read the source material, and then maybe you can own us with it.
00:54:42.000You won't, there's really not much to.
00:54:44.000Are you against in there, but you can try.
00:55:09.000So I think that brings up the larger point.
00:55:12.000And this is something I've been thinking about a lot, which is like the NPC idea that most people, Are just kind of useless.
00:55:21.000It's difficult because I'm a Christian, and so we believe that, well, every individual has infinite worth and we're all equal before God and that kind of thing.
00:55:29.000But by the same token, I see what people post in YouTube comments.
00:55:33.000I see people getting in fights in Facebook comments.
00:55:36.000I see people in like Walmart, you know, and I think, is that really true?
00:55:42.000It doesn't help your argument of everyone deserves or is everyone's worth something.
00:55:48.000It really kind of saps that right away.
00:55:51.000And I think that that's kind of a problem with any kind of political reform.
00:55:56.000Maybe with intelligent people, I don't know.
00:55:59.000And this is not like, oh, I'm so smart and everything.
00:56:01.000But I mean, you look at just like the masses and masses of people, there's going to be 10 billion people on the planet in short order.
00:56:08.000And to me, it seems like there is going to be a great culling very soon.
00:56:14.000I don't know in what form it's going to take, but I have a very strong intuition that within this century, there is going to be some cataclysmic event.
00:56:23.000That is going to take all these people who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground and make it so that they are no longer viable on planet Earth.
00:56:30.000I don't know if that's disease or it's like resources run out.
00:56:37.000I said it has to happen at this point because at this rate, the amount of people that you describe as NPCs, I guess you describe it as people who give you that stare.
00:56:52.000I know it's a corny term, but the fluoride stare, I think it's funny.
00:56:56.000It describes it pretty well, whether or not it's.
00:56:58.000Actually, caused by fluoride is irrelevant because the term is just accurate.
00:57:05.000They all, if you even begin to venture outside what you would call programmed dialogue, you just get this, you either get chastised for it or run out of the room, or you just get the stare, which is to me infinitely worse because it feels like you just kind of hit a wall in a simulation.
00:58:08.000It's not like it's just this massive land or it's the government.
00:58:12.000It's cities in particular areas and also farms comprised of people.
00:58:17.000And if the people are not high quality, the country's not going to be high quality.
00:58:22.000And exactly like you say about going off script with the dialogue, I know, and I think many people know exactly what that means.
00:58:29.000Where if you say something that is not part of the ordinary routine, it's not like in some kind of role playing game, or if you don't pick one of the given options, The game malfunctions.
00:59:14.000I'm not saying like I'm some fucking high IQ, like no one understands me, but you really don't have to be that outside of the circle to get that reaction.
00:59:25.000Like, I'll be in the grocery store and I'll just say something that's a little bit off the beaten path, and it's like that's it.
00:59:34.000The conversation is dead in the water.
00:59:36.000So you kind of learn to navigate around normie dialogue, and it's tiring, but.
00:59:44.000There's really nothing you could do to fix it outside of pray for Yellowstone disease, whatever, because if you try to press them any further, you end up looking like that, like someone who would be in a YouTube video being filmed freaking out in public.
01:00:19.000You talk to people, and by and large, I don't know if it's people who don't have an internal dialogue or they don't know how to process scenarios.
01:00:28.000I mean, we think about thinking and it's observing, it's analyzing, it's orienting, it's reacting.
01:00:34.000I mean, this is what it means to act, this is what it means to think.
01:00:36.000I mean, that's the OODA loop in like strategic situations, but by and large, I think it applies to conversation.
01:00:43.000And you can tell that when you talk to people, In very few conversations, are people hearing what you're saying, really processing it, and then responding in an appropriate way?
01:00:55.000You'll find that most people, it's like they are taking sample dialogue from iCarly or from a sitcom from Modern Family.
01:01:03.000And Sam Hyde did a little video about this where he says that people are like robots and they say things that they hear on sitcoms, like, oh, that's too much information, or yeah, okay, you know, that kind of shit.
01:01:16.000I don't know if I saw that video or not, but that does.
01:01:19.000Sound familiar because they really do pull things.
01:01:22.000I think there's just sentences or quotes that you can tell have been pulled from some sort, like they just binge watch, like How I Met Your Mother or The Office.
01:01:35.000Those sorts of things, like, I mean, I've seen The Office and I hear those sorts of like that sort of dialogue just pulled straight from the show and adapted to their personality.
01:01:47.000It's very like, I don't know, it's jarring.
01:01:50.000I mean, it kind of gives me the same effect where I'm just like, where they would be, I would have hit a wall with them.
01:01:57.000I kind of hit a wall, or they hit a wall with me.
01:02:01.000It's like, what do you say to that stuff?
01:02:03.000I guess you just play along if you don't want to come off as, you know, that guy.
01:02:08.000You don't want to come off as strange.
01:02:10.000Well, jarring is the right word because when you really, when it really sinks in, you feel like you're in like invasion of the body snatchers or like something like that because it's almost inhuman.
01:02:22.000I mean, I've talked to people and you realize more and more that people are effectively just like machines.
01:02:30.000You push the right buttons and you get the right outcomes.
01:02:33.000Like, you know what to, you know that saying certain things will get a certain.
01:02:37.000Emotionally, reaction, you know, where that comes from.
01:02:39.000And people just lack the self awareness to really anticipate that or to understand that.
01:02:47.000I was talking one time to one of my friends, and you don't really think about this too much, but like the average person, maybe their IQ is like 100, and that doesn't really sink in.
01:02:57.000And like you said, I'm not saying I'm like some genius.
01:03:00.000People have it out like I think I'm the smartest person in the world.
01:03:52.000And I'm like, and then I thought in that moment, you heard one word, and the connotations of that word just took over how you process that whole sentence.
01:04:02.000Instead of, like, you don't even know effectively what that word means.
01:06:08.000It's not even like you have to be that much smarter.
01:06:10.000It's not even that much about being smarter than them.
01:06:13.000It's just they could hold a conversation if they ventured off the beaten path about anything, about a different book or something outside of mainstream news or anything.
01:06:30.000It's really not like you have to be, you know.
01:06:33.000Big brain to put up a decent conversation.
01:06:38.000Well, and that's why I'm really tending more towards like an authoritarian tendency in my politics because I think about if we're ever going to get society on a different track, if we're ever going to move people en masse, literally the only way to do that is some form of coercion, some form of like ridicule or something like that.
01:06:59.000Because you think about people and their diehard beliefs, and the only reason they hold the beliefs effectively is because they fear social ostracization.
01:07:23.000And so, in that way, I've almost surpassed, we've almost gotten past that idea of sitting down and convincing people if we just show them the facts, if we just really reason with them, you know, forget all that.
01:07:36.000That's why I even look at somebody like a Patrick Little, whereas mentally ill as he is, The presupposition in his head is I can go out and convince people.
01:07:43.000If I just show them that the truth is out, if I just look at what's happening to your country, they'll just turn around.
01:07:50.000So, he's like an NPC in his own way who kind of just went a little bit outside in the wrong direction or whatever you would call it and just fucking blew it.
01:08:05.000The guy, I watched the sweat with you and him and then the other one with.
01:08:11.000I think it was Ralph Retort or whatever.
01:08:15.000You guys bullied the shit out of the guy.
01:08:18.000You would think he would fix up his act and come back to that next Ralph stream with a little bit better content or like a better demeanor or maybe anything, any sign of improvement.
01:08:32.000And he was, him and what's his name, Paul, were the same exact people that got bullied relentlessly.
01:08:39.000I don't know if you can call it admirable, but.
01:09:10.000I think I maybe lost it in my drafts on my other account, but.
01:09:15.000I was going to tweet something at him, or gab it at him, I can't remember.
01:09:22.000It's like being in a prison cell and you're standing in your prison cell looking at the guards and saying, hey, everyone, the guards are the ones keeping us in here.
01:11:18.000And that's so true about the nature of normies in the sense that if people wanted to know the truth, if people were wondering these things, all the information's out there.
01:11:31.000All the same books, all the same information that we found is readily available to anybody who is interested in what's really going on.
01:11:42.000And even if you told them, even if you rubbed it in their face and smashed them over the head with it, they still wouldn't get it because people care about television.
01:11:52.000People care about getting drunk on Friday.
01:11:55.000And that's not going to change by and large.
01:11:58.000There's an IQ difference, but there's also, I think, just a fundamental difference in the level of, I don't know, awareness or conscience or whatever it is.
01:13:43.000And when everything comes out, when all the cards that I've seen are played, people are going to feel so dumb and it's going to be a great day.
01:15:26.000Well, and look, there's all the difference in the world between.
01:15:31.000Talking about the issues with tact and strategically and with some kind of approach in mind that is well thought out and thoroughly considered.
01:15:45.000And just being an autistic, painting a target on your back and saying, Look at me, I'm the buffoon, I'm the clown, look at me.
01:15:54.000And I think that's the difference because people who watch this show know what's up.
01:15:59.000It's not like me and you don't know what's going on, it's not like the people who watch this show don't know what's going on.
01:16:04.000But the difference is we are working towards a viable solution to the problem.
01:16:10.000Whereas some people want to LARP either for Twitter likes or Gab upvotes or for their ego or for whatever.
01:16:16.000And that's the mentality that's going to get us places.
01:16:19.000We can no longer be beholden to a small group of low IQ people who just want to live vicariously through a live streamer online.
01:17:19.000Well, and it's all surface level, too.
01:17:20.000You know, I watched Paul Nealand debate John Cardillo, and anybody can look this up.
01:17:24.000He doesn't know the first thing that he's talking about.
01:17:26.000All these people do is they repackage memes and things they saw on the internet and pass it off as though that's an argument.
01:17:35.000And look, there's memes are very useful because they take a very Complex message, and they simplify it in a way that people can understand, and that's the utility of it.
01:17:44.000But if you're going to go out there and be a politician or a pundit or whatever it is, you have to have an understanding of the issues.
01:17:50.000And you could tell so quickly that these people don't know what the hell they're talking about.
01:17:56.000Paul Nealon was asked to explain how Judaism is an ethnicity as well as a religion.
01:18:01.000And he was stumbling, stammering, couldn't come up with the first evidence, the first argument.
01:18:07.000There was no force of logic behind it.
01:18:10.000And it just goes to show that these people literally see something online and then they say, I'm going to shut down my whole life, I'm going to ruin my life.
01:18:17.000And give myself to something I saw online 10 minutes ago.
01:18:20.000That's not a person you're going to follow into battle.
01:18:22.000That's not a person who's got it all together upstairs.
01:18:26.000And anyway, you talk to anybody who's been in this movement for three or four years, they've really thought about it.
01:18:32.000Even people like Spencer, who, you know, and I've got nothing personally against the guy.
01:18:37.000He's very smart, very well read, and he understands the issues in a way that is nuanced, in a way that is based on a lot of thought and reading and care.
01:25:07.000It shouldn't have been happening, but the reason was that there was a big raid orchestrated by Vic Berger earlier last week, I think.
01:25:16.000And so, in order to shut that down, we had to cancel all the existing links and put in place some measures because there was going to be a shitlib raid.
01:26:00.000So that's going to do it for us tonight.
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