America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - April 06, 2016


The Candidacy of Donald Trump | The Nicholas J. Fuentes Show Episode 6


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On this episode of the Nicholas J. Fuentes Show, Nick and Michael Gilger discuss why they think Donald Trump is a bad idea and why he should not be the next president of the United States of America.

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00:00:05.000 I am Nicholas J. Fuentes.
00:00:07.000 You're watching the Nicholas J. Fuentes Show.
00:00:09.000 Joining me today is Michael Gilger to discuss the candidacy of Donald Trump.
00:00:14.000 Michael, why don't you start?
00:00:15.000 Why do you think Donald Trump is bad for America?
00:00:18.000 Why do I think he's bad for America?
00:00:19.000 Well, let's start about this.
00:00:21.000 You've read, I mean, I can make this assumption, I know, because I know you, Nick.
00:00:26.000 You've read the book Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman.
00:00:29.000 Correct.
00:00:29.000 Of course.
00:00:31.000 You know how that book begins, do you recall?
00:00:33.000 I do.
00:00:35.000 Let me refresh your memory.
00:00:36.000 It starts about talking about John F. Kennedy's.
00:00:39.000 Speech when he asked, rather, what you and your compatriots can do together through government to advance the cause of liberty for all.
00:00:47.000 More simply put, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.
00:00:53.000 See, but the flaw in this is that it assumes that the government is a higher entity than the people when, in fact, that's not true.
00:01:03.000 I believe that Donald Trump makes the assumption that he is higher than the people and that when he would, God help us, become president.
00:01:14.000 That he would believe that he is higher than the people.
00:01:18.000 The fact, why I think this is because he always uses the rhetoric, I will make America great again, not we will make America great again.
00:01:25.000 He always uses the terms, I'll get along with Putin, not we'll get along with Putin.
00:01:30.000 See, I mean, I hate to do this because you and I are really closely in ideology politically.
00:01:34.000 Are we?
00:01:35.000 I think, I mean, we amplify the small details like this.
00:01:40.000 Yes.
00:01:41.000 But, yeah, I mean, generally speaking, but when Barack Obama ran his campaign, he always says, like, we're going to change.
00:01:49.000 Like, America, like, we're gonna be the ones to change.
00:01:52.000 And that's, I mean, as a mess of the presidency has been over the past seven years, we've seen that he is a leader.
00:02:01.000 You can agree with this.
00:02:03.000 I mean, Donald Trump, he would be a president and we would be a country.
00:02:09.000 When you think about Russia, you think about Putin.
00:02:11.000 When you think about America, you think about freedom, you think about amazingness.
00:02:16.000 But when, if Donald Trump would be president, you would think of America and think about Donald Trump.
00:02:20.000 And you wouldn't think about how great America actually is.
00:02:23.000 So, your thinking, your argument is that Donald Trump would turn America into this fascistic cult of personality and that he would dominate the nation.
00:02:33.000 Is that what you're saying?
00:02:34.000 Yeah, with his unprofessionalism.
00:02:37.000 And so, you have no faith in the checks and balances.
00:02:37.000 Okay.
00:02:40.000 You have no faith in a Congress or a Supreme Court that could say that.
00:02:42.000 Well, I mean, I absolutely do.
00:02:44.000 But when Mitch McConnell comes out saying he will absolutely not work with Donald Trump, it's hard for me to support a president who.
00:02:52.000 When the leader of the Senate already has sworn to not work with him, how is that going to be good for America?
00:02:57.000 Well, again, we're talking about what's good for America.
00:02:59.000 The reason that I think Donald Trump is good for America is because we need to destroy the existing institutions and the culture that's holding us back.
00:03:08.000 Margaret Thatcher said, first you win the debate, then you win the vote.
00:03:12.000 In this country, we don't even have the debate anymore.
00:03:15.000 And Donald Trump is right about that one thing.
00:03:18.000 And the misconception that the Rubio people and the Jeb Bush people and even the Ted Cruz people I support Ted Cruz, he's my first pick, but I think Donald Trump will be good for America.
00:03:26.000 And the reason I think that is because you can't have the debate in this country anymore.
00:03:32.000 And I've experienced this this entire week.
00:03:34.000 In my economics class, I brought up how the gender wage gap is a myth and that the statistics don't support it.
00:03:40.000 I was called names.
00:03:41.000 I was shouted down.
00:03:42.000 My statistics were ripped up. 0.94
00:03:44.000 You look at any other discussion, even when Donald Trump brings up that in his announcement speech, he said that Mexico was sending their criminals, their rapists, their drugs, whatever. 0.99
00:03:55.000 And the first response was, Racist. 1.00
00:03:58.000 He's a racist. 1.00
00:03:59.000 Shut him down. 1.00
00:04:00.000 Never mind the discussion on illegal immigration.
00:04:02.000 Never mind the policy proposals.
00:04:04.000 If you break down what he actually said and the syntax of it, it wasn't racist.
00:04:08.000 But that didn't matter.
00:04:09.000 When he proposed the moratorium on Muslim immigration, that's not something I support.
00:04:13.000 But when he proposed a piece of policy, a piece of legislation, shouted down, racist.
00:04:18.000 Can't have that discussion.
00:04:19.000 And until we can have that discussion again in America, we cannot, in fact, have a conservative reformation.
00:04:24.000 Well, Nick, when you say that, okay, well, what he's saying might be good for America, what I'm talking about is what he's saying is not going to be good for America.
00:04:33.000 What he says is that.
00:04:35.000 He's like, I'm not going to.
00:04:36.000 He tweeted the other day a picture side by side of his wife and Ted Cruz's wife.
00:04:42.000 And when he said, I mean, if this is the standard of what we're putting, you want an insurgent.
00:04:50.000 But this isn't the insurgency I think you want, Nick.
00:04:52.000 Absolutely it is.
00:04:53.000 Absolutely it is. 1.00
00:04:54.000 Nick, I wish you were sitting in my chair to look at you and see how ignorant you're being right now. 0.99
00:05:00.000 Really? 0.99
00:05:01.000 That's not an argument.
00:05:02.000 That's an ad hominem.
00:05:02.000 Well, here's why, Nick.
00:05:04.000 You were saying that you want.
00:05:06.000 You want the rhetoric out there that is borderline racist. 0.99
00:05:10.000 I'm not going to be the person who's going to stand back here and say Donald Trump's bad for America because he's a bigot and a racist.
00:05:16.000 I'm going to be the person who stands back here and says Donald Trump is not good for America because what he says is unprofessional and what he says is not conservative.
00:05:23.000 So you think it's a problem that he's unprofessional?
00:05:25.000 What he says is he's un American, is what he is.
00:05:27.000 He's un American.
00:05:28.000 Why is he un. 0.96
00:05:29.000 Wait, wait.
00:05:29.000 Okay.
00:05:30.000 Here's my problem.
00:05:30.000 This whole week with this Heidi Cruz thing and with Donald Trump's rhetoric in the entire year, he's too crass to be president.
00:05:37.000 He doesn't talk like a president.
00:05:39.000 What does a president sound like exactly?
00:05:41.000 Because for the past seven years, we've got a president who wants to fundamentally transform the country.
00:05:46.000 We've got a president who doesn't see the significance in the difference in principles between communism and capitalism.
00:05:52.000 In the eight years preceding that, I don't even have to go into the Bushisms.
00:05:56.000 I mean, what does a president sound like that crassness is the problem?
00:06:00.000 The problem is a failure to acknowledge and reaffirm our Western identity because that's what's going to kill us, is if we lose the culture.
00:06:07.000 Oh, you want our Western identity now to be at Donald Trump's standards?
00:06:10.000 No.
00:06:10.000 You want our Western identity.
00:06:12.000 To be what Donald Trump is getting up there and saying.
00:06:14.000 No, we need Donald Trump.
00:06:15.000 You want us to be the laughing stock of the geopolitical community?
00:06:18.000 The geopolitical community?
00:06:20.000 Yeah, because we've been really hailed by the geopolitical community.
00:06:23.000 Everybody loves us, and it's going really not good for us, huh?
00:06:26.000 Well, I mean, Hassan Rouhani likes us.
00:06:28.000 Vladimir Putin loves us, and it's going awesome.
00:06:31.000 Well, when there's a six hour debate in the British Parliament about even letting Donald Trump in the country.
00:06:38.000 And what's happening in Britain?
00:06:39.000 Are they losing their culture, or are they strengthening it?
00:06:42.000 When the most popular name for young people in London is Mohammed. 0.97
00:06:46.000 And they have enclaves surrounding the city. 0.56
00:06:49.000 And again, this is not an anti Muslim diatribe, but it's speaking to the fact that Britain and Europe are committing cultural suicide.
00:06:55.000 And that's not the standard we should judge ourselves by.
00:06:58.000 Nick, if you want to make America relevant again, you cannot have Donald Trump as president.
00:07:03.000 That would make us essentially a laughing stock of relevancy.
00:07:09.000 If you want to make us relevant in the right way, you elect a president that can actually do something right.
00:07:13.000 Who's not a laughing stock?
00:07:14.000 Barack Obama's not a laughing stock when he signs the Iran deal.
00:07:18.000 When they send troops into Ukraine and he sends them to Russia?
00:07:20.000 What I'm absolutely not here to do is to defend Barack Obama.
00:07:24.000 What I'm here to do is to condemn Donald Trump because if, Nick, honestly, if he's elected president, we are going to be, I mean, we being the American people and basically the entire outlook of America geopolitically is going to be the laughing stock.
00:07:41.000 What do you mean by that, the laughing stock?
00:07:43.000 Well, okay, so we are going to be the country that is going to be known as electing the person who decided to.
00:07:51.000 To curse on his Twitter, to make fun of people's appearances, to ban.
00:08:00.000 You realize this.
00:08:01.000 He said earlier, I mean, I'm not going to be the one to say he said this, he said that, because as we know, every politician, and he's a politician.
00:08:10.000 I hate when people say he's not a politician.
00:08:11.000 He's the worst kind of politician.
00:08:12.000 How is he a politician? 0.98
00:08:14.000 Because, Nick, he lies, he changes, he flip flops.
00:08:17.000 He was a Democrat in 2003.
00:08:19.000 I mean, he was a Republican in 1970.
00:08:23.000 Except the difference is he's not a politician.
00:08:25.000 He may act like a politician, but he's not one.
00:08:27.000 And that matters because the problem is the politician. 1.00
00:08:31.000 That's his favorite piece of rhetoric that the politicians are stupid and they're corrupt, but he's right. 1.00
00:08:36.000 But he's right, and they're the ones that are destroying it on both sides, on the left and the right. 1.00
00:08:40.000 John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, condemn them all.
00:08:42.000 Condemn them all.
00:08:44.000 Nick.
00:08:45.000 And additionally, you talk about us being the laughing stock.
00:08:48.000 I think we should care a little bit less about what the world thinks of us.
00:08:51.000 That was what got Barack Obama elected in 2008 people being mad that we invaded Iran.
00:08:56.000 So you do not care what Netanyahu thinks of us?
00:08:58.000 You don't care what our allies think of us?
00:09:00.000 That can get us into serious trouble.
00:09:01.000 In the times that we live in, When we have crazy people in the Middle East burning our flag saying death to America, you don't care about what they think of us.
00:09:11.000 It's all about us.
00:09:12.000 It's all about me.
00:09:12.000 No, no.
00:09:13.000 It's all about that's not.
00:09:14.000 Here's what I don't care for I don't think that we should elect a president based on what the British Parliament will find distasteful in their opinion.
00:09:23.000 You don't care about what our oldest ally thinks of us?
00:09:26.000 Who, Israel or the UK?
00:09:27.000 I don't care because here's why because the UK and Europe have taken a course which is different from America's.
00:09:34.000 Which America has not confronted the crossroads yet, or at least it might be too far gone, it might not be.
00:09:34.000 It's a course.
00:09:40.000 But Europe has decided to take the road of multiculturalism.
00:09:43.000 And they've decided to embrace Islam and other cultures.
00:09:47.000 And I won't even say Islam, because again, I don't want to offend moderate Muslims. 0.74
00:09:51.000 But when you see what they're importing from the Middle East, from Yemen, from Somalia, and you see what happened in Cologne on New Year's, you see what happened in Brussels, what happened in Paris, you see the no go zones across France, Germany, and Belgium, you see that Sweden has become the number two. 0.99
00:10:06.000 Country in rapes per capita because of refugees from Yemen and from Somalia and Eritrea. 0.86
00:10:12.000 And you understand that Europe is not America. 1.00
00:10:14.000 They have forsaken their culture, and that will be to their demise. 0.51
00:10:18.000 We can't let that happen.
00:10:19.000 I'm not saying that we should start implementing all these liberal policies, which is what you are basically outlining the consequences of.
00:10:27.000 I'm saying it doesn't matter what they think because they've taken a different path than us.
00:10:31.000 And we should say, listen, you're our ally.
00:10:33.000 We're in NATO with you.
00:10:33.000 We trade with you.
00:10:35.000 But culturally, we are very different.
00:10:37.000 And we don't want to embark on that.
00:10:38.000 Same suicidal mission that they have.
00:10:40.000 Nick, all of the international leaps that we've taken have been because we've had a favorable president.
00:10:46.000 You realize Bill Clinton made some very big international leaps in the world.
00:10:51.000 You realize that Ronald Reagan made some because he was well liked in the world.
00:10:55.000 I don't want to talk about Bill Clinton.
00:10:56.000 No, no, but Reagan was not liked.
00:10:58.000 Reagan was respected.
00:10:59.000 It was peace through strength.
00:11:01.000 Oh, but Donald Trump is the farthest from respected.
00:11:03.000 He would be among Americans and the world.
00:11:06.000 That's actually not true.
00:11:07.000 If you're looking at these statistics, he is respected in Pakistan, he is respected in Egypt, he is respected in Russia.
00:11:12.000 They understand.
00:11:12.000 Oh, he's respected in Russia.
00:11:14.000 Well, no, the people respect him because they respect strangers.
00:11:14.000 It's true.
00:11:17.000 Yeah, they remind him of the people.
00:11:18.000 You brought up Bill Clinton, and you brought up Bill Clinton.
00:11:21.000 Bill Clinton was liked.
00:11:23.000 Everybody loved him.
00:11:24.000 It was the unipolar moment, except for when Al Qaeda bombed the USS Cole in the Gulf of Aden, and they used that as justification in Osama bin Laden's fatwa for blowing up the World Trade Center because America was weak and they don't respond when terrorists attack us.
00:11:38.000 So, no, I don't care about being liked.
00:11:40.000 They care about being respected. 0.98
00:11:41.000 And Donald Trump can be a little silly, he can be a little funny. 0.97
00:11:45.000 But he doesn't mess around. 0.99
00:11:46.000 That's going to hurt him, Nick.
00:11:47.000 That's going to hurt America. 0.95
00:11:48.000 If he's silly and if he's messing around, and if he uses that Twitter to perhaps say something very controversial in the world community that could offend a certain dictator of North Korea. 0.89
00:12:01.000 Oh, we should try not to offend North Korea who post videos of them nuking New York. 0.95
00:12:06.000 We should really respect their press.
00:12:08.000 There are times that we live in where we have a terrorist attack of double digit people dying every week.
00:12:16.000 This is almost a recurring thing.
00:12:19.000 Every month, per se, like the Brussels thing happened.
00:12:22.000 Last month it was Paris.
00:12:25.000 If we have something like this, we are going to be the absolute bullseye of the world.
00:12:31.000 And that is, I mean, I'm not going to speak on behalf of you.
00:12:34.000 You're already the bullseye of the world.
00:12:36.000 You don't think that if America, and this is a problem, and I hesitate to call you this, but I will define this culture from the establishment and from these moderate Republicans and from the conservatives. 0.69
00:12:47.000 They are cuck-servatives.
00:12:49.000 And what this means is that they lack the boldness. 0.90
00:12:52.000 They don't want to reassert American and Western culture as superior, which it is.
00:12:57.000 They want to put their heads down and not bother anybody and not tweet things that might offend the dictator in North Korea and not offend ISIS.
00:13:05.000 No, no, no.
00:13:06.000 America is the strongest country in the world.
00:13:08.000 We have the biggest economy and we need to start acting like it.
00:13:10.000 Donald Trump will.
00:13:11.000 I mean, I agree with you there, but there are far better, actual, you know, internationally professed.
00:13:20.000 Okay, let's.
00:13:22.000 I hate to do this, but let's bring up Marco Rubio.
00:13:24.000 The robot.
00:13:26.000 Yeah, sure.
00:13:26.000 So Marco Rubio has served, what is it now?
00:13:30.000 It's six years in the Senate.
00:13:31.000 He's coming up on his sixth year.
00:13:32.000 He's been in the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations for the past five years.
00:13:38.000 He's a ranking member there.
00:13:39.000 He knows the ins and outs of what Al Qaeda was, what ISIS is now.
00:13:45.000 He knows every strategy.
00:13:47.000 Donald Trump, six months ago, said that his biggest foreign policy, he said that he learned the most from foreign policy on the news.
00:13:57.000 On cable news channels like MSNBC and CNN because he's a liberal.
00:14:03.000 And if that's your main source of intellect, then how can you interact with these warheads around the world if you don't even know where they're coming from?
00:14:15.000 Marco Rubio, you're talking about Marco Rubio.
00:14:17.000 You brought him up.
00:14:19.000 Marco Rubio is a guy who knows all the facts, right?
00:14:21.000 He knows the names of all the Sunni Muslims, he knows the Shiite Muslims.
00:14:26.000 Terminology to talk about Dabiq and the Dajjal and all the rest.
00:14:29.000 When they were asking him questions, Donald Trump said, You're making up these Arab names.
00:14:32.000 He says, You were making up these Arab names.
00:14:34.000 So now he knows all the things, right?
00:14:37.000 But what are you talking about?
00:14:37.000 Are you talking about Rubio or Trump?
00:14:38.000 Yes, Marco Rubio.
00:14:39.000 He knows all the things.
00:14:41.000 He'll tell you, he'll impress Max Boot and all the neocons with this impressive knowledge.
00:14:46.000 But when you look at the character of the man and you look at the policies that he proposes, they're not informed by the facts.
00:14:52.000 He was asked if he would target ISIS wherever they are, including Libya.
00:14:56.000 And what are the facts, Nick?
00:14:57.000 Because they're in Iraq, they're in Syria.
00:14:58.000 They're in Libya, they're in Afghanistan, they're in Pakistan, Indonesia, the Philippines, Bangladesh, Lebanon, Palestine.
00:15:04.000 They are everywhere.
00:15:05.000 And Marco Rubio said that he would consider putting boots on the ground in Iraq, Syria, and Libya.
00:15:11.000 Has he not learned from history what happens when America tries to nation build in two countries at once, let alone three?
00:15:18.000 You know what happens when we try to not stay out of it?
00:15:22.000 Okay, when we were in there, there was no ISIS.
00:15:24.000 When we pull out, that's when the We Hate the Western World started.
00:15:29.000 And that's when ISIS started taking territory, and now they have what?
00:15:32.000 They own half of Iraq and half of Syria?
00:15:35.000 I mean, at that point, this is a ground war.
00:15:38.000 They have territory.
00:15:39.000 They're not just some grassroots organization anymore.
00:15:41.000 Which should not be fought by us.
00:15:43.000 Which should not be fought by us.
00:15:44.000 And you look at Rubio's policies again, and I hate to be debating Rubio, but it seems that we've come to the argument of whether we're going to go, yeah, we don't need these.
00:15:52.000 If we're going to talk neocons versus realists, because what Donald Trump proposed in the last two town halls was something very similar to Kenneth Waltz and the intellectual realist school of foreign policy, which says that America cannot be the policeman of the world anymore.
00:16:10.000 Not because we can't do it and it's our patriotic duty, not for any of those reasons, because Fiscally, culturally, morally, we cannot do it. 0.63
00:16:19.000 You have a rising China hegemonic power in the South Pacific.
00:16:23.000 You have a rising regional hegemonic power in Iran, in Russia.
00:16:26.000 We can't do it anymore.
00:16:27.000 We can't do it.
00:16:28.000 And when Rubio says that he's going to invade three countries at the same time, he's failing to learn the lessons of history, which is exactly that we can't do it.
00:16:35.000 When we, and this is everyone's favorite war, the George H.W. Gulf War is the most efficient war.
00:16:40.000 He's the good one.
00:16:41.000 George W. is the bad one.
00:16:42.000 It was the most efficient. 1.00
00:16:43.000 When we went there, if you look at what Muslims were saying in the aftermath of that invasion by the United States, They said that even though they hated Saddam Hussein, they hated America more because they humiliated the Islamic world. 1.00
00:16:55.000 Because we came into their civilization and we sorted out when they couldn't.
00:16:58.000 And so you think that this is just going to fix itself then?
00:17:01.000 If we don't do anything about it, everything will just die down?
00:17:03.000 Absolutely not.
00:17:04.000 But what we need to do is we need to have a foreign policy that's predicated on regional actors taking responsibility for their security.
00:17:11.000 And where is Trump's foreign policy?
00:17:12.000 You go to donaldjtrump.com, go to On the Issues, he has immigration reform, his tax plan, which was obviously not even written by him.
00:17:19.000 There's nothing there about foreign policy, there's nothing about combating ISIS.
00:17:23.000 There's nothing about keeping America safe.
00:17:25.000 And how, I mean, especially if he would get elected, that would not keep America safe when half of the country in and of itself hates him.
00:17:35.000 That is going to create a huge conflict, Nick.
00:17:38.000 I mean, imagine the fact if he just gets the nomination, how many riots.
00:17:41.000 People are going to die.
00:17:42.000 People are just going to die.
00:17:43.000 Something similar happened in 1860.
00:17:45.000 Something similar happened in 1980.
00:17:47.000 Yeah, it tends to cause a lot of trouble when you do the right thing.
00:17:51.000 And again, we go back to the policy issue.
00:17:53.000 And I want to make it clear.
00:17:55.000 I don't like Donald Trump because of his policies.
00:17:57.000 Really, I don't.
00:17:58.000 That's the only admirable thing about him.
00:18:00.000 The things that he didn't write that are on his website, that's the only admirable thing about his policies.
00:18:05.000 I don't like his policies.
00:18:06.000 Really, I don't.
00:18:07.000 I don't like him on.
00:18:08.000 He wants a progressive tax.
00:18:09.000 He wants to put a tariff on China.
00:18:11.000 Generally, I don't like his policies.
00:18:13.000 What I like is that he has the right approach.
00:18:16.000 And the approach and the destruction that he will bring to the GOP, to the establishment, to the Washington cartel, I think will far outweigh.
00:18:23.000 Because the assumption that you and all the Republicans have is.
00:18:26.000 Well, if we just get the right guy, if we just pick the one, if we pick the shining angel, Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio, he can change the whole thing.
00:18:34.000 It won't happen.
00:18:34.000 Unless we change the culture and we have a social movement, we can't have the debate.
00:18:39.000 We can't have the reforms that we need.
00:18:40.000 And we need Donald Trump to go in and destroy the GOP because it doesn't represent conservatives or we the people anymore.
00:18:46.000 Nick, if he destroys the GOP in the next four years, so you were essentially calling so that Donald Trump gets the nomination and we lose the race and the next two to four Supreme Court justices.
00:18:58.000 Are going to be replaced by a Hillary Clinton.
00:19:00.000 Yes, absolutely.
00:19:01.000 And the reason is this.
00:19:02.000 The reason is this.
00:19:04.000 Because we need to have a political realignment.
00:19:07.000 This idea, again, is that the present trajectory, because the present trajectory cannot work.
00:19:13.000 It cannot work.
00:19:13.000 Even if we replace the system, it can.
00:19:15.000 When was the last time conservative principles were actually implemented?
00:19:15.000 It absolutely can.
00:19:18.000 1980.
00:19:19.000 1986, when the last actual tax code was put in place.
00:19:22.000 The George W. Bush administration.
00:19:24.000 The Reagan administration.
00:19:25.000 But then what happened?
00:19:26.000 Because it was temporary.
00:19:26.000 But then what happened?
00:19:27.000 But then what happened? 0.99
00:19:28.000 And America called him on his bull.
00:19:30.000 But then what happened?
00:19:31.000 The establishment took over.
00:19:33.000 George H.W. Bush was establishment.
00:19:35.000 Newt Gingrich was establishment.
00:19:37.000 Even when they controlled the House in 1996 and they were going to pass meaningful reform and they were going to fix the country and all this, they didn't follow through.
00:19:44.000 And then George W. Bush was elected.
00:19:45.000 And guess what?
00:19:46.000 He wasn't a conservative.
00:19:47.000 And then guess what?
00:19:48.000 We won the Senate in 2014.
00:19:50.000 And guess what?
00:19:51.000 They're not conservative.
00:19:52.000 So, this idea that we need to really preserve the GOP, we need to keep it as is, or else conservatism loses.
00:19:58.000 Nick, it's already losing.
00:19:59.000 It's changing.
00:20:00.000 Nick, you know it's changing.
00:20:01.000 Is it changing?
00:20:01.000 The fact that Jeb Bush got out before even like the fifth primary.
00:20:05.000 And who drove him out?
00:20:07.000 And who drove him out?
00:20:08.000 Was the GOP establishment?
00:20:09.000 When all of Jeb's endorsements went over to Marco Rubio, that's what actually.
00:20:13.000 But why did that happen?
00:20:14.000 Because Donald Trump destroyed Jeb Bush.
00:20:16.000 And then when he's done with Jeb Bush in the race, Marco Rubio had been a runaway candidate from the beginning.
00:20:19.000 That's not true.
00:20:20.000 Jeb Bush would have been left out.
00:20:21.000 I'm not going to argue a hypothetical, but you bring up Jeb Bush being ran out of the race as an example of why the party's changing.
00:20:27.000 Who induced that change to happen?
00:20:28.000 It was Donald Trump.
00:20:29.000 No, it was not.
00:20:29.000 And here, and you look at the.
00:20:31.000 That's speculation.
00:20:32.000 No, it's true.
00:20:33.000 You look at what happened to him in the debates.
00:20:35.000 You look at what happened to him with the immigration thing.
00:20:37.000 Jeb Bush was weakest on immigration.
00:20:39.000 They come here out of love.
00:20:40.000 Donald Trump was arguably the strongest on immigration, at least in his rhetoric.
00:20:43.000 And that was the issue that drove Jeb Bush out of the race.
00:20:46.000 But who was the smartest in immigration?
00:20:48.000 Oh, so we're going to talk about this.
00:20:49.000 The guy who betrayed his Florida constituents and supported amnesty with Chuck Schumer and the Democrats?
00:20:54.000 With Lindsey Graham and the Republicans as well.
00:20:56.000 Oh, he was a great candidate.
00:20:57.000 The actual support of the Senate who actually wanted to do things and not just repass the repealing of Obamacare 120 times.
00:21:05.000 If doing things means passing Barack Obama's agenda, I don't want to do that.
00:21:11.000 If doing things is actually making leaps forward in the GOP, which is what is happening right now, the fact that Paul Ryan became the Speaker and it wasn't Kevin McCarthy, that's.
00:21:22.000 That means that the GOP is changing now.
00:21:24.000 Wait, wait.
00:21:25.000 You're saying that Paul Ryan is a conservative.
00:21:27.000 Paul Ryan's an absolutely conservative.
00:21:29.000 Just because he got out and he started calling Donald Trump out when Donald Trump was saying that he's going to make sure that no Muslims are going to be allowed in the U.S. ever again.
00:21:40.000 Just because he called him out on that, he's not a conservative.
00:21:42.000 No, no.
00:21:43.000 Because he passed Barack Obama's omnibus spending bill, which funded sanctuary cities, Planned Parenthood, refugee camps, all the things that Republicans derided and elected a Republican House and Senate to represent them on.
00:21:55.000 He betrayed them on.
00:21:56.000 The House has the power of the purse.
00:21:58.000 And yet he ceded all of that authority to Barack Obama.
00:22:01.000 That's conservatism?
00:22:02.000 Talk about betrayal, Nick.
00:22:03.000 Donald Trump decided not to support the eventual nominee anymore.
00:22:06.000 He backed out on that.
00:22:08.000 He backed out on that.
00:22:09.000 That's really a superficial connection.
00:22:11.000 And that's good.
00:22:12.000 That's a good thing.
00:22:13.000 Because if he's backing out on that, what that means is he's acknowledging that the Republicans are hedging their bets.
00:22:18.000 Even though he will be Democratic Republican elect.
00:22:20.000 He's not a conservative.
00:22:20.000 You say Paul Ryan's not a conservative?
00:22:22.000 That's not even close.
00:22:23.000 Even though he's going to come into the convention with the most delegates out of anybody, he knows.
00:22:27.000 That the Republican National Committee will do everything in their power to deny him the nominee.
00:22:32.000 Yes, because they actually want to get something done in the next four years.
00:22:36.000 Yes, guess what?
00:22:37.000 It is absolutely so critical that we actually get something done.
00:22:40.000 This country is not ruled by the RNC.
00:22:41.000 It's ruled by we the people.
00:22:43.000 So if we the people elect Donald Trump, it's not their place to deny him as the nominee.
00:22:47.000 Okay.
00:22:47.000 Oh, you say that there's corruption among Republican ranks.
00:22:51.000 What about Democrat ranks?
00:22:52.000 If they're both corrupt, that's the problem.
00:22:55.000 Oh, and Donald Trump's going to solve that problem?
00:22:58.000 He, well, you know that he might.
00:22:59.000 And you can tell by the way that the establishment votes with their feet and with their dollars.
00:23:03.000 Everyone said there was this myth a couple of months ago that the establishment was lining up behind Donald Trump in the case that Ted Cruz was the one to challenge him with the never Trump vote.
00:23:14.000 Not the case.
00:23:15.000 Actually, the establishment put all their money on Jeb.
00:23:17.000 And then when Jeb backed out, they put it on Rubio.
00:23:19.000 And then Rubio dropped out, they put all their chips behind Cruz.
00:23:22.000 Even though Lindsey Graham said that they could kill Ted Cruz on the floor of the Senate, turned around and supported him.
00:23:27.000 Even though George W. Bush and John Boehner called Ted Cruz, some rather crude and vulgar names.
00:23:32.000 The entire Republican establishment backs him.
00:23:35.000 Literally anything is better than Donald Trump.
00:23:37.000 Half of the GOP will vote for Hillary Clinton.
00:23:39.000 They're scared.
00:23:40.000 They're scared.
00:23:41.000 So I don't trust Donald Trump.
00:23:43.000 I don't know that he's going to stop all the corruption, but the fact that he scares the living daylights out of the Republicans, the Democrats, the media, and everyone with a brain.
00:23:52.000 Everyone with a brain, Nick.
00:23:53.000 He scares the hearts out of anyone who knows who Donald Trump is, who sees him on Celebrity Apprentice, who sees him on the debate stage, who sees his past, who sees his history, who sees how he acts, and how he holds himself. 0.99
00:24:08.000 The millions of people who voted for him, they don't have a brain.
00:24:11.000 That's symptomatic of the problem with Washington, D.C. and the politicians, they think. 0.54
00:24:16.000 That the people that vote for Donald Trump and the people that care about their culture and their values and not being forced to accept progressive leftism and multiculturalism, that all of them don't have a brain and they don't want to be.
00:24:28.000 They're just falling under the appeal that, like Donald Trump, they are upset with the government as it is.
00:24:34.000 I mean, as most GOPs are, except they don't act impulsively and they don't just go for the guy who speaks the loudest.
00:24:40.000 They go for the guy with the best plans and the guy who would be the best president.
00:24:46.000 So when they got behind John McCain and Mitt Romney, Donald Trump was polling the highest before he even had any tabs on the issues page on his website.
00:24:54.000 People are fed up.
00:24:55.000 And that's why.
00:24:56.000 Yeah, because they just fall into the rhetoric that he poses, which is.
00:24:59.000 Which is important.
00:25:00.000 Which is important.
00:25:00.000 How is it important to go behind someone who just says, we're going to win all the time?
00:25:04.000 Because he's trying to reaffirm Western culture.
00:25:06.000 This is the first Western culture.
00:25:08.000 Western culture is winning, not just saying.
00:25:10.000 No, no, but that Western culture is going to win.
00:25:12.000 And it's going to win.
00:25:13.000 And this is.
00:25:14.000 And you look at.
00:25:14.000 You break down the statistics, and evangelicals overwhelmingly support Trump over Cruz.
00:25:18.000 Why is that?
00:25:19.000 Cruz is the evangelical.
00:25:21.000 Trump is not.
00:25:21.000 He supported abortion.
00:25:22.000 We all know this.
00:25:23.000 Okay, don't bash Cruz.
00:25:24.000 But Trump, we know, was for abortion.
00:25:28.000 He wasn't socially conservative.
00:25:29.000 But they support him because they think that he will protect them.
00:25:33.000 That for the first time in seven years, they will be protected against the scourge of leftism, which has forced all this nonsense in European culture and feminism and Black Lives Matter, that that's all being forced on us by the media and by the Republican establishment and by the Democratic establishment. 0.99
00:25:51.000 And to say that that doesn't matter, to write that off and say, They're stupid and they're angry, and we should give it to the smart guy. 0.99
00:25:57.000 That's symptomatic of the problem that's in DC. 1.00
00:25:59.000 That's a statist argument. 0.98
00:26:01.000 How about the GOP uses their brains, takes baby steps, and actually elects a Republican that can balance a budget, that can turn around our $19 trillion debt, and that can actually show that conservatism works before we decide to put up as our nominee some crazy, silly Donald Trump who won't actually. 0.95
00:26:26.000 Implement conservative principles at all. 0.95
00:26:27.000 Here's why because it doesn't matter.
00:26:29.000 It doesn't matter because, and this is kind of like.
00:26:31.000 I think it matters.
00:26:32.000 Remember in the end of House of Cards?
00:26:34.000 You finished watching it?
00:26:36.000 Well, in the end, I don't want to spoil it for anybody, but Frank Underwood, Kevin Spacey, he encounters terror and he tries to negotiate with the terrorists and it doesn't work and they end up killing a bunch of hostages.
00:26:46.000 And Frank Underwood says this they're not listening to reason, so we're done being reasonable.
00:26:52.000 And that's sort of the same concept that applies with Donald Trump.
00:26:57.000 The left.
00:26:57.000 The media, the institutions, the establishment, they're not listening to reason.
00:27:01.000 They are, they call Donald Trump the fascists, but I think the people that come and protest Donald Trump's rallies and censor free speech, censor Ben Shapiro, and all the conservatives.
00:27:11.000 I'm absolutely not in support of this.
00:27:12.000 And they don't, but they don't listen to reason.
00:27:14.000 And that's why, again, we go back to this argument.
00:27:17.000 There's so many Americans don't listen to reason.
00:27:18.000 We go back to this argument that if we just get the right guy to demonstrate conservative principles, whatever that means, it's not going to work.
00:27:25.000 We cannot bank the entire future of this country.
00:27:29.000 And you talk about Donald Trump being a one man show.
00:27:33.000 The one man show would be the miracle conservative who somehow gets elected and changes the whole tide of the country.
00:27:39.000 We need a cultural reformation, a political realignment, and Donald Trump is leading it as a movement, and that's what I support.
00:27:46.000 Well, I mean, okay, if you're leading a movement, if that takes priority over leading an actual country, then you have no right being a sensible American.
00:27:57.000 Well, then you're putting the government before the country, are you not?
00:28:00.000 I'm putting the people before Donald Trump, which is where it's supposed to be.
00:28:03.000 Like I started this argument, the people should be the priority, not Donald Trump, not the I will make America great again.
00:28:10.000 We, as a collective community of Americans, as courageous conservatives, I know you like Ted Cruz, I do, will make America great again.
00:28:17.000 And that's what the movement is about.
00:28:18.000 That bugs me so much, Nick.
00:28:19.000 That's what the movement is about.
00:28:20.000 That's what it's about.
00:28:21.000 How would it be about that when he thinks that he's better than everyone else?
00:28:24.000 Well, because you look at the candidates that they put up.
00:28:26.000 They put up Marco Rubio, and for eight months, they called him the most electable guy, the only guy that can win against Hillary Clinton.
00:28:33.000 He couldn't win a single state except for Minnesota, yet, throughout losing in Iowa, and New Hampshire, and South Carolina, and Nevada, and you go down the list.
00:28:42.000 In Florida.
00:28:43.000 He couldn't win his home state, but he was still the most electable.
00:28:47.000 No, Nick.
00:28:47.000 Lies.
00:28:48.000 Lies.
00:28:49.000 He is the most electable because Donald Trump appeals to the people who are just upset and that don't actually know policy.
00:28:56.000 That's his appeal.
00:28:57.000 That's why he's doing so well.
00:28:58.000 Because most Republicans, the only reason he's doing so well is because he put an R before his name.
00:29:03.000 Because he's not a Republican.
00:29:05.000 He just put that before his name and started talking loudly, and that's how he became president.
00:29:09.000 Because he's a smart guy.
00:29:09.000 You're right.
00:29:10.000 He didn't become president yet.
00:29:13.000 And I agree with you that I don't care if he's a Republican, frankly, because what needs to happen is there needs to be a realignment.
00:29:17.000 I don't care as a Republican.
00:29:18.000 I don't consider myself a Republican anymore because you look at the Republicans in office and they're not conservatives.
00:29:23.000 And that's why we need a realignment.
00:29:25.000 And what's happening right now is that it's not going to happen by changing the name in the White House from a D to an R.
00:29:30.000 And we're running out of time, so I'll give you the last word.
00:29:32.000 You can finish it off.
00:29:34.000 Excellent.
00:29:35.000 Well, what I'm going to tell you, Nick, is that Donald Trump puts himself and puts his self interest before the people.
00:29:44.000 Obviously, you've seen this in the past couple days.
00:29:45.000 He's been defending his campaign manager, who obviously acted in a really animalistic way.
00:29:53.000 And he put his self interest, his campaign self interest, before the people. 0.87
00:29:58.000 And he acts in a silly way, and he just is having fun. 0.97
00:30:02.000 But honestly, in a time like this, when we have $19 trillion worth of debt, when we are faced with the most cruel and the most animalistic terrorism all around the world, we can't have a silly guy. 0.97
00:30:16.000 We don't have time. 0.95
00:30:17.000 For a movement, Nick.
00:30:19.000 We have time to elect someone to be a very effective president.
00:30:23.000 Well, I'll close it with this quote, actually.
00:30:23.000 All right.
00:30:25.000 Crisis is the rallying cry of the tyrant.
00:30:27.000 But we'll close it off there.
00:30:30.000 I think we've had our two cents on the issue.
00:30:33.000 Michael, thank you for coming on.
00:30:34.000 Thanks for having me on, Nick.
00:30:35.000 It was a pleasure.
00:30:36.000 It was a spirited debate.
00:30:37.000 I liked it.
00:30:38.000 I liked it too.
00:30:39.000 Thank you for joining us.
00:30:40.000 I'm Nicholas J. Fuentes.
00:30:42.000 This is the Nicholas J. Fuentes Show.
00:30:44.000 That's our show for tonight.
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00:30:51.000 Thanks for watching. 0.59